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Building Up Downtown Fresno

May 23, 202438 min
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So there's a story in the local news that the City of Fresno is planning to do some stuff with this big lot near chik Chancy Park. They want to put in a big parking garage and a new housing unit. It's going to be discussed on the Thursday city council meeting. Basically that they want to build an affordable housing unit and a parking garage on this one lot that's just

south of chi Chancy Park. So basically there's a lot. Basically it's bounded by let's see, what are the streets here, corner of the corner of H Street and Mono Street in downtown Fresno, sort of south of chik Chancy Park. So and it goes along H Street as far as in you, and it kind of stops it in you, all right. So it's actually it's right next to the big parking lot that people use for parking to go to Grizzlies games. Now I am sort of questioning this a little bit.

And granted I'm coming from a place of not knowing all the ins and outs, but I think there are some questions. I think the whole project of downtown revitalization is just completely fraud right now due to a number of problems. One the disastrous developments that have happened over the last several years with the high speed rail that which is going to be a signature building block component of our downtown revitalization efforts over the next twenty years. Building this big new high speed

rail station which was sold to Fresno. And let's recall that the citizens of Fresno County voted for the ballot initiative to establish the high speed rail, a majority of Fresno County voted for it. The high speed rail was sold to Fresno as this will be the great connector. It's going to connect Fresno to the rest of California. You know, a high speed rail system connecting you know, Los Angeles to San Francisco, you know San Diego, San Francisco,

and Fresno will be a hub in it. And this will allow Fresno to This will fundamentally transform the economy of the San Lanquin Valley, will give us connection to the rest of the state that we've never been able to have before. Well, that fundamental promise is no more. All we have a commitment for and boy, the state legislature and state legislators from Los Angeles are

really grouse have been grousing about this for years now. The only commitment we really have right now is Mercaid to bake Field, that the high speed rail is going to go from Merced to Bakersfield. We're struggling to get the funding

even to complete that. Even that is ludicrously expensive. And the you know, the the commitment from Governor Newsom, who's not going to be around forever, by the way, who's going to be out of office, you know, this time two years from now, and maybe we have a pharaoh who knows not, you know, a pharaoh who knows not Joseph in the governor's

office two years from now. The commitment from Governor Newsom is we're going to finish the Merced to Bakersfield stretch to establish the viability of the broader system.

And there's nothing about a Merced to Bakersfield train that demonstrates the viability of a train that's supposed to connect San Francisco to La Nothing about the conditions between of travel within the San Joaquin Valley is at all similar to the conditions of travel that would have to take place for a genuine San Francisco to La connection even down to like logistical construction legal Okay, you know, if you're using eminent

domain to seize a corner of farmer McGregor's field out in the middle of nowhere, you know, north of Madera somewhere, that is a lot less costly than trying to seize property in downtown San Francisco, or property you know in Burbank or something for the high speed rail to go through. It's also, I think also there's the just a physical engineering difficulty building the high speed rail

across the San Joaquin Valley. We're said to Bakersfield, which is the flattest, least populous, least mountainous stretch of the high speed rail is going to be a lot easier and does not demonstrate the viability of building, you know, trying to build a high speed rail train where you have to somehow blast through the grapevine. You can't really go over the grapevine, it's too steep, So you got to blast through the grapevine somehow through the mountains. You've

got two different sets of mountains. You got to figure out how to cross. You got to figure out how to build a train. That's able to withstand being built over the San Andreas fault. Anyway, the high speed rail station is supposed to be this big hub of downtown Fresno revitalization, and I just don't think very many people are going to use it. And the estimates for the number of people who are going to use the high speed rail they

keep going down. As has you know, with the development of Tesla did not exist in two thousand and four, the continued development of electric cars and California's California's commitment to this wasn't my commitment, California's commitment that by twenty thirty five, one hundred percent of all the new cars being sold in the state

are going to be electric cars. With that commitment from the state, the reasons for building the high speed rail, the environmental reasons for building the high speed rail, get fewer people driving gas power of cars, that rationale is going down. So I just don't think a lot. We're going to build this big train station, and I just wonder how quickly it's going to turn into a husk. I just wonder how quickly it's going to look like an

abandoned Greyhound station. Added on to that, the city had all these grand plans for downtown revitalization that we're premised around this promise from the State of California made in the bumper days of twenty twenty two. So in those rosy sunshine days for the state budget where we had a big old budget surplus because the state was flush with federal COVID money, Governor Newsom makes this grand pledge to good old Jerry Dyer. Hey, Jerry, we're going to give you two

hundred and fifty million dollars for downtown development. Here's the first fifty and then in twenty twenty three we'll give you one hundred million, and then in twenty twenty four we'll give you one hundred million. Wow. Thank you so much, mister Governor. This is great. I Jerry Dyer, trust your promises. I shouldn't be too mean to Jerry Dyer about all this. I mean, you know, Newsom is the only governor he is able to deal with.

So you know that's the whatever promise he can get is the promise he can get. It's not his fault that Gavin Newsom is not great on keeping promises. So twenty twenty three comes along. Oh sorry, city friends, No, you know that one hundred million dollars we were supposed to give you this year and one hundred million dollars next year. We're gonna just bump that to next year. We're gonna we're gonna delay that by one year cause the

state budget is facing a massive deficit in twenty twenty three. Now that we're out of the sunshine days of twenty twenty two, where we're a dishing out, you know, grants left and right, giving a million dollars to a planned parenthood clinic and Fresno just for funzies. No, sorry, guys, we're out of money. So we're gonna bump your one hundred million dollars instead of twenty three and twenty four, we're gonna bump it to twenty four to twenty five. Then last week we hear, oh, sorry, guys,

we gotta bump it by another year. So now it's gonna be in twenty five twenty six. So the city's plan for this lot, and again this is the proposal here is it's this lot bordered by H Street and Mono Street, a sort of Inyo H Street, Mono Street or sort of the streets that are sort of nearby. It's the This is the lot that's right next to the main parking lot that people use for going to Grizzlies games. We're gonna take this lot and we're gonna turn it into lower income housing plus a

parking garage the point. And we're going to use that first installment of fifty million dollars to pay for it. Now, the idea for the two hundred and fifty MILI was to help support projects like this, build more parking struct matures, build more housing units. You know. I think the city's plan was to have you know, part of the way to revitalize downtown is we need more people to live there. We need more people to live there in

order to sustain more businesses. So I think the overall plan with Okay, if we have all this two hundred and fifty million dollars, is to do all the infrastructure and building necessary for ten thousand more people to live in downtown Fresno. Okay, it's an ambitious goal, understandable goal. You want more people there that will support more businesses, that will help revitalize downtown. So we're going to use this fifty million just for that. But the problem is,

from my way of looking at it. You know, halfway doing something is almost can in certain circumstances, almost be worse than doing nothing at all. So I guess this is my fear. We've got this money, so we're gonna build housing, We're gonna build a parking lot, will put in

some more people. But if that two hundred million dollars never comes through, and that is, by the way, my prediction, I don't think that two hundred million is ever coming, or at the very least, I think it's gonna get delayed far enough out that it's gonna be in the hands of another governor. Basically, the problem the state faces is that our normal for

the state budget is going to be deficits for the foreseeable future. California is way dependent on a really rather small band of high income taxpayers, a relatively small number of people who are sustaining the entire tens of billions of dollars state budget through they're paying a very high income taxes and particularly very high capital gains taxes, and the amount that the state has been collecting in capital gains taxes

especially has dropped like a stone basically from like twenty two to twenty I think it was from twenty one to twenty two or twenty two to twenty three, the amount of capital gains taxes dropped by like eighteen billion dollars. So basically people were selling off their assets and not wanting to invest in California or pulling their investments from California. Capital gains tax, by the way, that's the tax that you pay for selling an investment, some kind of investment, either

real estate, property or stock or something. So when you buy a stock at X value, the value of the stock increases by let's say, the value of the stock increases by a million dollars. When you sell that stock, you then pay capital gains tax on it. But it's only when you sell it. You don't pay tax on gains that you have not yet realized. You have to realize them by selling the stock first. Anyway, we're getting way less revenue from that. So I guess this is the question that

needs to be asked for the city council. What if the other two hundred million doesn't come through, is it wise then to build this housing unit here and this parking garage If the rest of the downtown revitalization program is just not

happening, we'll dig into that question more after the break. This is the John Girardi Show on Power Talk. The city wants to buy this lot, or well, the city wants to develop rather this lot just south of Grizzly Stadium into a housing unit and a parking garage, using the first fifty million dollars of the total of two hundred and fifty million dollars that the State of

California has pledged to give for downtown development. I think someone's got to ask some questions about, you know, the idea of a job half done, of a job half done or in this case, one fifth done, and whether that is worse than a job not done at all. So let me explain, we're going to use part of the first fifty million dollars that the

State of California gave us for downtown development. And again the idea was fifty million dollars in twenty twondred million in twenty three, one hundred million twenty twenty four. Then that got pushed to, well, instead of twenty three and twenty four, we'll do it in twenty four to twenty five, And now it's been pushed to Okay, well, we'll hit you up in twenty five,

twenty six. So who knows if that two hundred million is coming in My guess is that it's going to continue being kicked down the can as we have, you know, deficit budget after deficit budget, year after year in California, and that eventually we will get to a point where maybe it's not Governor Newsom, maybe it's governor somebody else who says, hey, Fresno, we don't have this money. We're not going to give it to you. I know Gavin Newsom pledged it, but I'm not going to give it.

Sorry. I think the city kind of needs to just plan as if that two hundred million's never coming. That's my thought. I think they need to start planning as if that two hundred million might never come, because I don't think it will. And so here's the thing. Yes, that two hundred fifty million was in part designed to sustain one more housing in downtown Fresno at a population of about ten thousand, additional people to downtown Fresno that will help

support and sustain businesses. There are parts of downtown Fresno that are ghost towns, that are sparsely populated. Basically, we can't really sustain enough business down there. We don't have enough people down there, so let's have more people down there. To have more people, you need more housing, all right. If you're gonna have more people, you're gonna have more business. You

need more parking. Parking has always been a problem in downtown Fresno. Let's build more parking, okay, but the other But then there's the other less sexy stuff that we were supposed to do with that two hundred and fifty million. There was a lot of stuff with sewer, basically sewer stuff that needed to be revitalized, water drainage stuff that needed to be revitalized, and that's what a lot of that money was going towards. I guess I'm sort of

wondering if we're going to use this first fifty million. Are we using this first fifty million the right way? Should we? How would we be using this first fifty million if we thought this is the only fifty million that we are going to get from the state. Obviously, it seems like we're a little hemmed in as far as the kinds of things we can use the money

on. Has to be for downtown, has to be for certain kinds of development, and I'm sure, there are more strings attached to this money, but I sort of wonder, like, are there other things that we need to do that are are there? Basically, what is the wisest way to use this If this is all we're going to get, And that's the thing, I'm afraid this is all we're going to get. Are we going to have enough as far as infrastructure to support the new people coming into this housing

unit? Is just building one lower income housing unit? How much is that going to help sustain business growth downtown? Are we just going to bring in more people who aren't sustaining business growth? I mean, is this going to be a middle class community that's coming in. I mean, certainly people who are sub middle class need a place to live. I mean that that's critically

important. I guess I'm just not sure that this development is going to really vitalize you know, you know, booming businesses in downtown or the hottest the hottest restaurant in Fresno. Is this new place in downtown everyone's talking about. People are coming from all of the city. You have to at some point be able to build and sustain businesses that people want to drive from Northeast Fresno. To go to go visit and go see and I don't know that we're

I don't know that just doing this is going to sustain it. And maybe it's unreasonable to expect that. And honestly, I saw this in I think it was in the Fresno b this idea in politics that there is a good answer, that there's always some good answer, there's something that someone should be

doing to fix the problem, there's a fix for the problem. Where After Governor Knwsom announced, yeah, we're delaying the two hundred million dollars by a second year to Fresno, Fresno B has this editorial saying that the city leaders need to hold Gavin Newsom accountable for his promise to bring to bring this pledged fund to the city of Fresno. How that's easy to say in an editorial, they need to hold him accountable. Newsom has no accountability. Newsom has

won three elections. Now he's in his second term. He's not running for reelection anymore. He's not account He doesn't need to give a flying rip about what voters think. Nobody's gonna try and recall him again after the disaster of the first recall. Accountability what do you mean accountability? He made a dumb promise when the state was flush with money, and now he realizes he can't follow through with it because we have deficit. What do you mean accountability?

Guys, there just might not be a solution for this. We might have just totally screwed up downtown development. Through one the high speed rail, which construction is taking flipping forever. We're gonna have this big old train station that's supposed to have all these businesses and all these things that for a train that I just that both I doubt and the research is indicating fewer and fewer people

are interested in riding on. So I don't know who's going to all these people who are allegedly going to be at this train station supporting all these businesses, allegedly building one new lower income housing unit with this fifty million dollars,

And maybe there's more we can build. I don't know. Maybe I'm overstating this, but we're limited in how much more housing we can build if we're not also going to use the other two hundred million dollars for infrastructure stuff, for sewage stuff, water drainage stuff, all the other stuff you need to sustain this grand plan of ten thousand more people living in downtown. Maybe we're

just completely screwed. You've got the again, it's not just that the high speed rail is not a lot of people are gonna write it in the meantime until it's established. It's completely gunking up downtown with all the construction that's taking forever to actually build the stinking thing. I don't know, like, well, well, we got to be sure to hold Gavin Newsom accountable for that money. We can't hold him accountable. He's accountable to nobody. He fears

neither God nor man. Even when he was up for reelection, What does he care if every single person in the city of Fresno votes against him, He'd still win with sixty percent of the vote. He fundamentally doesn't give a rats behind about being accountable for Again, what was probably just a dumb promise he made for the one year where our state had a big old budget surplus because we had a bunch of COVID money, And he's probably just regretting it

now. All right, when we return, I want to talk about this as far as my long running opinion that the central value should be its own state illness happened, but why it should be its own state and the idea

of what a state is or should be. Next on The John Girardi Show, I want to talk about my long standing belief that the Central Valley, the San Joaquin Valley, should be its own state, even though I'm somewhat ambivalent about this because I think every project for splitting the state of California up is kind of a helpless lost cause and doomed to fail just because of the

basic political realities of the US Senate. If you actually created a state called San Joaquin, basically the way that you do it that people first have to understand, how do you create a new state? How does a new state come into being? Well, basically you need a vote on the part of

whatever existing state the proposed new state is being created out of. Okay, So the California State Legislature would have to vote to say, yes, we are authorizing the approval of the establishment of a new state to be separated from US in California based on this territory. So the State of California would have to vote for it, and Congress would have to vote for it. And there's no way that's going to happen. All right, First, I just

highly doubt that state legislators would go for it. I don't know that a lot of our Central Valley legislators would even go for it, even the Democrat most of the Democrat legislators, I don't know that they'd actually go for it. They like the Central I mean, the Central Valley, for one thing,

gives California a bunch of extra electoral College votes every presidential cycle. And the only way that Congress would vote to approve it is if there was some kind of even split as far as the likely new Senate seats that we'd be generated by creating a new state. So they're not going to vote to establish a new state of Central California. If that's going to just give Republicans two more seats in the US Senate. Democrats are not going to stand for that.

They would want to, you know, simultaneously create some other Democrat stronghold state that would guarantee them to extra Senate seats and plus Democrats really like getting that big fat stack of however many electoral College votes California has, I think it's about fifty. California gives the Democrat candidate for president fifty electoral college votes

every single election, so Democrats don't want to give that up. That's the only way they that's like the cornerstone, the foundational building block of Democrats winning presidential elections is they start with this huge fifty electoral college vote advantage. So they're not going to give that up. They don't want to risk that. So it's never going to happen. Let me preface that, but by rights

it should. Let me explain why I think a lot of us just kind of accept the boundaries of the current fifty American states as a given, like this is just the way it is, California being as big as it is both physically but also population wise, and I think both are important. Actually, it's just kind of taken as this as a given. Well, that's just how California is. And people meet proposals for splitting the state into smaller

states with a mixture of bewilderment and like, that's ridiculous. Why would you split up California? As if the boundaries of the state of California were drawn by the hand of God himself? What is a state? What is a state supposed to be? Now, the founding fathers had all read their Aristotle. They were all sort of educated westernmen, had all read Aristotle's political theory, and they were also reading Enlightenment thinkers political theory. But I think there's

still a decent bit of Aristotle that's sort of rattling around in them. And Aristotle's politics, one of the things he does is kind of describes what a polus is supposed to be, and the polis, the Greek word polis polis was kind of the main building block of governance of political communities in ancient In the ancient Greek world in which Aristotle was writing, the polis that was sort of the central political entity, sort of like the way countries are today.

That's sort of what polises were, and alis for Aristotle was basically a city center and its outlying rural environs, the suburbs, the smaller villages, smaller cities surrounding the big city, so Athens and its surrounding area, Sparta and its surrounding area. That was sort of the most fundamental way that Plato and Aristotle, Greek political thinkers, the way they thought of politics was with the

building block of the polis. So a polis for Aristotle made sense as a community bound together by shared ties of loyalty, affection, love that's based in sort of various kinds of commonalities. We are all this kind of a people, this kind of a people with this kind of in this for Aristyle, this kind of a racial background, this kind of a shared history, this kind of a shared religion, this kind of shared devotion and cults to these

particular kinds of gods. This kind of people does this kind of thing. And you could see with the different city states of Greece, the different pulleys of Greece, that their form of government even was different from place to place, depending on the character of the city. So one of the things people

talk about Athens was the first true democracy. That's true, but all of the city states of Greece had, or many of the major city states of Greece, most of them did have some form of basically an ability for the citizenry to vote as a body on certain kinds, on laws of different kinds. Okay, so they weren't. It's not like Athens was the one government that wasn't a monarchy and everyone else was a monarchy. Even city states like

Sparta that had some kind of monarchy. They actually had two hereditary monarchical lines in Sparta. Even in those places there was some sort of assembly or boult as the Greek word was, where people would vote on stuff, and the idea was Greece was characterized by what's called hoplight warfare, where the standard fighter was a hoplight, a heavily armed infantry infantryman. Where the idea in the

ancient Greek world was that you provided your own gear. Okay, so it's your sword that you paid for, your helmet, your armor that you paid for, and you served as a hoplight defending the city, defending the police. And basically the idea was, well, if you're fighting, you get

a vote on whether or not we go to fight. So pretty much every city state had some sort of mechanism for and this is also a little bit reflected in the Roman Republic and its republican system that a lot of their voting bodies of the citizenry were There was one in particular that was almost set up like a military unit. So basically the idea was if you fight, you get to vote. And Athens there form of warfare was actually, yes, they did do hotlight warfare, but also they had a navy. They were

the most developed naval power in the Agan world. And to be in the navy you just needed to pull an ore, You just needed to row. You didn't need to have all the money to afford all the expensive hotplight armor. So hey, if I'm going to be on this boat rowing to go, if to fight in this war, I should have a vote too. And that's part of the reason why some people think that Athens in particular was a democracy. Was more spread out anyway, So sorry to get on that

tangent. That's why more Athenians voted than did Spartans or Thebans or whatever. So the character of the place is what made the political community, that all of these people who are bound together by common interest, economic interests, social interest, religious interests. Aristotle probably would have emphasized more so than we would today racial and religious union. Unity. But these common ties of affection and love that give you sort of an identity as I am this kind of a

person. And when you look at California, do we really have that? I mean, when someone asks me, are you a Californian? I mean I don't really identify as a Californian. I don't think of myself as first and foremost a Californian. I might say I'm an American, or I'm from Fresno, I'm from the San Joaquin Valley. I have a much stronger cultural life experience. I have many more ties of love and loyalty and affection to the San Joaquin Valley, having grown up here and lived here and loved the

people here. I care about those things I'm about. I'm far more different. Basically, I have a lot more commonality with people from Nebraska than I do with people from San Francisco. And I think the Founding fathers were like, all right, well we have all these different colonies that were established, and they were all established by groups that were very similar. Okay, the people in the Virginia Colony, they were all Anglicans, and most of them

were they were English settlers for this. This this everyone in Pennsylvania had all these Quakers in Pennsylvania. They were all this one kind of people. A Massachusetts, We're all people this other kind of people. A lot of them, you know, were Puritan settlers, had this kind of religious background,

they had this kind of economic interest. The original colonies sort of made sense as political entities sort of in the way that the Greek city states did, and your political life was chiefly lived under the founder's vision of federalism at your

state capital. That was the key thing. That's why we were United States, a group of thirteen states almost pretty much like little countries that united together for certain kinds of federal purposes as established in the US Constitution, which is a restrictive, exhaustive list of Basically, the federal government can only do what

is enumerated in here. So that was sort of the idea was, let's have states that people with your political life has chiefly lived in your state, because that is your version of the Greek polis centered around your state capital, the outlying rural areas surrounding it, and your care your concerner with the economy of that region, the culture of that region, the health and well being of that region, and that's where you focused your political energies. We don't

have that in California. We are fundamentally governed by people in Sacramento who are from the Bay Area, who are from la and who fundamentally don't care about us. They're not from here. They don't care about agriculture, they don't care about the things that we care about that fundamentally is why I think California should be split up into different states. I think this state is fundamentally not

a natural political community. When we return, just to close out the show, Oh my gosh, do you know why that one women's basketball player from Iowa is popular? It's only because she's white. Liberal sports writers at it again next on the John Girardi Show. So I don't know how many of you know who Jamel Hill is. Jamel Hill was a female sportswriter who worked for ESPN for a while and basically got herself fired from ESPN by being a

huge liberal jerk. And she has since just failed continued to fail upward basically because she's so liberal. People just keep giving her more and more prestigious jobs and she just plays the same notes all the time. Caitlyn Clark is a basketball player in the WNBA. Now, she was a very famous college basketball player at Iowa. She was extremely exciting. Lots and lots of people were watching women's college basketball. Actually it was getting better ratings than men's college basketball

several points over the last two years because of her. And she thinks it's racist. Why because Caitlyn Clark is white and not a lesbian, and it's problem that she's so popular. Okay, I mean, what do we want? Finally women's basketball is getting some popularity and this gal has to be the turd in the punch bowl. Oh, it's not gay enough, and it's bad that she's white. All right, that'll do it, John Girardi Show, See you next time on Power Talk.

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