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The Black Phone 2 Exclusive Interview! (Madeleine McGraw)

Oct 16, 202559 minSeason 1Ep. 381
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Madeleine McGraw is a rising star best known for her unforgettable performance as Gwen in the hit horror film The Black Phone. In this exclusive interview, she discusses her role in The Black Phone 2, sharing behind the scene secrets, easter eggs, Ethan Hawke's acting style, what it was like stepping back into such an emotionally intense world, and the challenges of bringing new layers to her character. Madeleine talks Toy Story 4+5, Secrets of Sulpher Springs, Cars, Bradley Cooper in American Sniper, and so much more!


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[SPEAKER_00]: True fans will notice what I'm about to say, but there are really special tributes or like parallels in the second movie to the first. [SPEAKER_01]: The only thing you guys put in of the film was the actual phone booth itself. [SPEAKER_01]: The mountains are all real. [SPEAKER_00]: The mountains are real, the cabins are at, and that's an actual summer camp for sulfur springs. [SPEAKER_00]: I would sometimes just like learn my lines on the way to set.

[SPEAKER_00]: Toy Story 4 is different from black phone in literally every aspect. [SPEAKER_01]: In what way? [SPEAKER_01]: Moments away from the black phone to a really state. [SPEAKER_00]: Correct. [SPEAKER_01]: What are you feeling? [SPEAKER_00]: Everything. [SPEAKER_00]: Nervous excitement. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm beyond excited for people to see it. [SPEAKER_00]: But of course, there is that nervous energy. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, whenever I think about it, I have knots in my stomach.

[SPEAKER_01]: You've already had the premiere, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Correct. [SPEAKER_01]: What has the feedback been so far? [SPEAKER_01]: What are people saying? [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, good thing, so far. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, all that I've seen. [SPEAKER_00]: My family and friends send me reviews and stuff. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they would send me negative ones, though. [SPEAKER_00]: So I haven't seen those.

[SPEAKER_00]: But they've sent me a lot of positive reviews about the movie and my performance, which of all, like, just meant the world. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's maybe so emotional whenever I read them. [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm so glad that there's been such good reviews in the movie hasn't even come out yet. [SPEAKER_01]: Do you have a favorite moment from these past few weeks? [SPEAKER_01]: Because I feel like your schedule is just everywhere.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I feel like it'll have to be the premiere. [SPEAKER_00]: Like that was unreal. [SPEAKER_00]: I literally, for the last five minutes of the movie when it was playing, I was just like, I sat forward and just looked at everyone's reactions. [SPEAKER_00]: Like I was looking at everyone's faces really taking it all in. [SPEAKER_00]: Because I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that's such a special and important moment.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so I just, I really wanted to soak it all in. [SPEAKER_01]: Was there a difference between black phone two premiere versus the black phone one? [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: How did you feel? [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it was crazy. [SPEAKER_00]: Like it was honestly really trippy being back there.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, it felt like a really full circle moment, though, which was nice because, you know, first one premiered there, we weren't actually going to have the second one there originally. [SPEAKER_00]: We were going to do it in New York, but our director wanted it on like the best screen with a best speakers.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so we did it at the Chinese theater and [SPEAKER_00]: I'm honestly really glad that we did because it brought back so many emotions and it was like wow, the first one had such a crazy big impact that we were able to return into a second one, so it was awesome, like seriously a surreal experience. [SPEAKER_01]: Cinematically and sonically, everything you guys filmed was really unique to this film, but I think we'll get into that later.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'd love to go back to the end of Blackphone 1 to now you're getting the emails that are sequels being made. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, how are you feeling? [SPEAKER_01]: What's your anticipation for this? [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so here's what happened. [SPEAKER_00]: We were on the press tour for Black Phone One. [SPEAKER_00]: And the reviews were already coming out that people were loving the movie, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, the early screenings were getting great, great reviews. [SPEAKER_00]: And so Scott, he said to me, yeah, Scott Derrick's in the director and writer, Cargill was also the writer of Black Phone and Black Phone Two. [SPEAKER_00]: They write scripts together. [SPEAKER_00]: But we were, I was in the hallway and Scott goes, he like leans in and he's like, Addy, can't say anything.

[SPEAKER_00]: But, but, we're already starting to have ideas for a second one, we're already writing it. [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, oh my God, that's crazy. [SPEAKER_00]: And in my head, you know, obviously a lot of time has passed since that happened. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's now like, you know, a year and a half later or a year or two. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know. [SPEAKER_00]: It's been a long time and I was like, like, I wonder, mom, what do you think that the script could be about?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like seriously, we were coming up with all these theories and ideas. [SPEAKER_00]: And then finally, after so long, Scott sends me a text and he's like, okay, Matt, the script is done. [SPEAKER_00]: He had been hinting things to me like here and there, but nothing like official. [SPEAKER_00]: As far as what he was going to continue. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly. [SPEAKER_00]: And so then he was like, he sent me a text message and he was like, Maddie, I have it on my phone.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was like, I was like, Maddie, we finished the second script. [SPEAKER_00]: Or we finished the script for the second movie. [SPEAKER_00]: It's official, like we're done. [SPEAKER_00]: Ethan is the only person to have read it so far. [SPEAKER_00]: I want you to be the second person to read it because the focus is going to be now more on Gwen this time around. [SPEAKER_00]: I was obviously freaking out, like, I was screaming. [SPEAKER_00]: I was literally freaking out.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so then he sent me the scrits and I literally sat down and read it. [SPEAKER_00]: The second he sent it to me. [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, Mom, dad, I'm sorry. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not waiting for you. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I can't, like, I have to read it right now. [SPEAKER_00]: So my dad sat down, my mom sat down. [SPEAKER_00]: My sister came in and out here and they're like listening to it. [SPEAKER_00]: And we all just like read it so fast, too.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, all in one sitting, I don't even know how long it took us to read it, but we read it fast because it was so good. [SPEAKER_00]: We just kept reading the pages, like, oh my god, I can't read this happens. [SPEAKER_00]: It was, it was shocking. [SPEAKER_00]: All of it was very, very shocking.

[SPEAKER_01]: From you reading the script for the very first time, to now you've seen the final product, is it kind of what you envisioned in your head of how it would look and what it would be? [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I really do think so. [SPEAKER_00]: Especially the, like, cinematicly, it is almost exactly what I pictured. [SPEAKER_00]: It turned out so beautiful and... I got chills.

[SPEAKER_00]: And like, [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, it really does give that classic 80s, like horror vibe, which I love and oh my god, this super-rate because we used to super-rate in the movie to differentiate like Gwen's dream sequences from, like, IRL, you know, real life and what's going on, like, what's actually happening. [SPEAKER_00]: So the super-rate is, or the dream sequences are all shot in super-rate. [SPEAKER_00]: just because of like the camera, it is gorgeous.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like I am really excited for a lot of people to see that aspect of things because I also think Scott is so genius to do that and to have. [SPEAKER_00]: that kind of helped differentiate when she's dreaming when she's not, but also it is just so beautifully shot. [SPEAKER_00]: Like all of it is gorgeous. [SPEAKER_00]: And especially the snow, I feel like that added to it. [SPEAKER_00]: All real snow. [SPEAKER_00]: All real snow, unfortunately, it was freezing.

[SPEAKER_00]: We were all freezing our butts off. [SPEAKER_00]: It was so freaking cold, oh my god. [SPEAKER_00]: And in a lot of scenes, I had on short sleeve PJs. [SPEAKER_00]: And so there were moments where I had to run in the snow. [SPEAKER_00]: And they had like in the movie, [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can tell but maybe it's because I know I have like three different kinds of socks on just and like I had on swim shoes as well because I couldn't wear shoes in the snow because my character is like like she's in a dream right? [SPEAKER_00]: She's in her PJs and so I had on socks but like three layers of them.

[SPEAKER_00]: I had on several layers on pants like these like heated pants as well and then like under my actual like wardrobe PJs and then for my [SPEAKER_00]: pajama top it was hard because you know they're short sleeves so I can't really do much layering with that um but it was quite cold and there were scenes where I was running in the snow and I would fall on accident. [SPEAKER_01]: Does that make the cut? [SPEAKER_00]: No it didn't.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was wondering if they were going to keep it in. [SPEAKER_00]: I thought it added to it. [SPEAKER_00]: I actually liked it but um there was a time when I couldn't get up because it was so slippery and there was several like you don't understand there were several feet of snow. [SPEAKER_00]: It was insane. [SPEAKER_00]: It was insane and there was another day where [SPEAKER_00]: me, Mason and Jeremy, you were shooting this really big scene.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is like, in my opinion, such a huge arc in the movie, and it took us three days to shoot it, because every time we got in our wardrobe and got set, it would start like pouring snow. [SPEAKER_00]: And there wasn't supposed to be snow falling in the scene. [SPEAKER_00]: Like it was just supposed to be around us, and you know, can't like clear all of that snow. [SPEAKER_00]: So what are you going to do?

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but um, it kept on snowing and Scott was like, no, there can't be snow in the scene. [SPEAKER_00]: We're not going to shoot today. [SPEAKER_00]: And the next day, same thing happened, we were sitting there for hours and hours. [SPEAKER_01]: And production just holds. [SPEAKER_00]: Yep, we were just sitting there in the cabins in the freezing cold, like waiting to shoot. [SPEAKER_00]: And this scene, we had so much adrenaline because it was such an important scene.

[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I don't want to give away too much. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to spoil anything, but we were very, um, amped up to film this. [SPEAKER_00]: And so I feel like when it finally came to us shooting it, we were able to just let all of those emotions and adrenaline out. [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, the scene couldn't have been shot better. [SPEAKER_00]: It's beautiful. [SPEAKER_00]: It's so good.

[SPEAKER_01]: The only thing you guys put in of the film was the actual phone booth itself. [SPEAKER_01]: The mountains are all real. [SPEAKER_00]: The mountains are real. [SPEAKER_00]: The cabins are at, that's an actual summer camp. [SPEAKER_00]: And what town is it in? [SPEAKER_00]: It was in Miss Go. [SPEAKER_01]: Canada. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was we shot in Toronto. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm pretty sure it was in Ms. [SPEAKER_00]: Goka. [SPEAKER_00]: I could have that wrong, but I don't think so.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was freezing. [SPEAKER_00]: Those quite cold. [SPEAKER_00]: My first time ever working in settings like that. [SPEAKER_00]: So I learned a lot. [SPEAKER_00]: It was crazy. [SPEAKER_01]: What other challenges are they're filming in that environment? [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I think the snow is definitely the hardest challenge, especially since it's a huge safety risk for everyone on set. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we had people slipping all over the place.

[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone had cameras working? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, the cameras were working. [SPEAKER_00]: They had to cover them a lot because, you know, can't get let the cameras get wet. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: But um, it was a huge challenge and you know, everyone's fingers are frozen, so it was just really interesting seeing how everyone really stuck together and came together to work in this insane climate and weather and you know, we're shooting a horror movie and so that definitely adds a lot more to the, to, to every element, but also I think this snow helped a lot with the feeling of isolation because there was so much snow like you truly did feel like you were the only ones there.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's how they feel in that's how our characters feel in the movie. [SPEAKER_00]: So I honestly feel like that helped a lot. [SPEAKER_01]: What's up guys real quick. [SPEAKER_01]: This episode is brought to you by Aiana. [SPEAKER_01]: Aiana provides clean hydration crafted with magnesium electrolytes and real fruit juice. [SPEAKER_01]: Made for those looking to get the most out of hydration.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, for me, we didn't know a lot about the movie until like, I don't know, like, a few months before shooting. [SPEAKER_00]: So I didn't, I wouldn't say I was like thinking about it over that entire span of time. [SPEAKER_00]: But when I finally got the script and seeing where Gwen, where we pick up with Gwen in Fini,

[SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, it was really challenging for me this time around to find Gwen again because like I love her so much And I felt like I could relate to her a lot in the first movie and so I was like I was kind of able to slip right into her And I was like, ow, let's do this like I am going like with the heck I am I am her like I can relate to her in so many different ways Um, but then

[SPEAKER_00]: She is so different from the, from the first one to the second one, like this trauma has obviously shaped her in a traumatic way. [SPEAKER_00]: She's trying to grow from it, but it's quite hard to forget about something like that. [SPEAKER_00]: And now, you know, everyone knows about her dreams. [SPEAKER_00]: And in the first movie, she was, I would consider her, she was popular and had a lot of friends. [SPEAKER_00]: Now, she doesn't have any friends.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she definitely feels more like the outcast. [SPEAKER_00]: She's getting bullied at school, which is something [SPEAKER_00]: So real for teenagers to go through and so I feel like having to kind of tap into her again where I can't really relate to her in a lot of ways, you know, especially with the whole grabber thing not that has not happened to me luckily, you know, but I'm no it was definitely harder for me to really find her again, but the wig helped a lot.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so there's an appearance change too. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, there's an appearance change. [SPEAKER_00]: The wig definitely helped. [SPEAKER_00]: I felt so anxious whenever I had that wig on because, you know, I love my hair a lot. [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know, just like, I would, it's funny because when we were shooting it, I was on like a hair growth journey. [SPEAKER_00]: And so I was, of course, the world, you know, timing of that.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so that was just such a big thing for me to take on. [SPEAKER_00]: And I've never taken on a really big character costume change before. [SPEAKER_00]: Like that, or appearance change. [SPEAKER_00]: And so that was also challenging. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I feel like this movie really tested my police as an actor.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I was also... [SPEAKER_00]: personally, like in my personal life, going through a lot of challenges mentally during the shooting process for Blackphone 2. [SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, it was honestly nice to have Blackphone as an outlet to kind of let those emotions out.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I was actually sort of grateful for those what I was going through in a way because I felt like I could also relate to Gwen in a lot more ways than I thought I could when we first started shooting. [SPEAKER_00]: So that was interesting. [SPEAKER_00]: It was definitely a learning experience. [SPEAKER_00]: I learned a lot for making them. [SPEAKER_01]: So it is all that come from you finding your passions so young.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, honestly, maybe I like, I knew from the moment I stepped onto a set that this was what I wanted to do. [SPEAKER_00]: I respect this art form so. [SPEAKER_00]: like majorly.

[SPEAKER_00]: I knew that this was what I wanted to do from very young age and it's like I have this like insane passion for it and I feel like also it's interesting because obviously I take my profession seriously and I took it seriously when I was younger but I feel like when you're a kid you do see the world differently and you know everything comes easier to you. [SPEAKER_00]: And so it was also interesting coming back to Blackphone too.

[SPEAKER_00]: like taking my career so much more seriously and having only different methods that I like to apply to finding characters, like, you know, I make playlists, which I hope, which I think helps a lot when getting into a character. [SPEAKER_01]: So you're listening to that music before. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I honestly listening to music. [SPEAKER_00]: I always have my headphones on, like always. [SPEAKER_01]: What kind of music are you listening to for Black Moon 2?

[SPEAKER_00]: All I'd like to keep it in the time frame of black phone, like when black phone two takes place. [SPEAKER_00]: So I kept it from like 80s to everything before that. [SPEAKER_01]: How fascinating. [SPEAKER_01]: And are you going for tones that are matching the scene? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I like think of moments of when she would be listening to this or like songs that I feel relate to her in different ways. [SPEAKER_01]: Wow, you're cool. [SPEAKER_00]: That's really cool.

[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_00]: I take a lot of, I have a lot of passion for what I do. [SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like that probably. [SPEAKER_00]: is a major factor to that. [SPEAKER_01]: Did you pick that up from somebody or something that you found just helps you? [SPEAKER_00]: No, I just thought it would. [SPEAKER_00]: I just, I love music. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I really love music. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what I would do without music.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's funny because I don't sing and I don't really play instruments. [SPEAKER_00]: I, I dabble in guitar and I completely equally, but it's like, I wouldn't say I'm. [SPEAKER_00]: incredible at it. [SPEAKER_00]: And my sister is the one that is more vocally gifted. [SPEAKER_00]: For sure, not me. [SPEAKER_00]: But it's like, I don't know music has just helped me throughout my entire life over come things. [SPEAKER_00]: And I love music because I feel like it's so nice.

[SPEAKER_00]: You get to like find people that you can relate to in a way or like things that other, oh, they wrote about this because they experienced a certain challenge in their life that you're going through right now. [SPEAKER_00]: I really, like, I love music.

[SPEAKER_00]: I should start making playlists for like, I started this a little bit like a while ago, but I was like, I should start making playlists for my characters and like what music they would listen to because I feel like it would really help me tap into them and like figure out back stories for them that was one of the things with Gwen is that I was like, I wonder what she had been doing in that time span in which we hadn't seen her.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's something I did in the prepping process for Blackbone 2 in the time that we had before filming. [SPEAKER_00]: I was like coming up with background stories and like little side quests that I think she wouldn't have been going on. [SPEAKER_01]: That's the first time I heard that, that's really cool. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, thank you. [SPEAKER_01]: When you're working with somebody like Ethan Hawke. [SPEAKER_01]: Are you watching him even when you're not on screen?

[SPEAKER_01]: What are you learning from him? [SPEAKER_01]: What are you absorbing in his technique? [SPEAKER_00]: I like stalking him, not in a creepy way or anything. [SPEAKER_00]: But like, I'm a phenomenal actor. [SPEAKER_00]: He's so talented, dead-potes society. [SPEAKER_00]: Training day is literally one of my favorite movies of all time. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, that is easily in my top five. [SPEAKER_01]: Were you watching that before you even film with him?

[SPEAKER_00]: I watched it like, um, bro, like, when, after, actually, I think I watched it after black phone two. [SPEAKER_01]: with him in Denzel. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, oh my god, that movie's so good. [SPEAKER_00]: But dead Poets Society, I had watched after the first black phone movie. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: And I've rewatched it multiple times since then.

[SPEAKER_00]: But no training day recently, it had become my favorite movie because I had watched it shortly after filming Black phone too. [SPEAKER_00]: But oh my god, I mean, he is such. [SPEAKER_00]: an insanely talent actor like him going from roles like that and his most recent role which everyone is talking about because it's like it is such a big difference from the grabber. [SPEAKER_00]: It is so drastically different from anything he's ever done.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like the grabber is such a different character for him and so seeing him in like his other roles and watching how he approaches playing the grabber is so inspiring for me as an actor and [SPEAKER_00]: It really inspires you to take more risks in your career. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like, I would love to play characters that are drastically different from each other. [SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like he's done such an incredible job at portraying those characters.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, like, on set, I literally, I would just like watch him and listen to the stories that he would tell and like talk about with Scott or director. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, listening to him and Scott talk.

[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I learned so much just like, [SPEAKER_00]: Because you know they are so experienced in this industry and so I feel like you can learn a lot from actions like actions speak louder than words I truly believe in that saying and so watching how he truly treats everyone with respect and kindness on set and

[SPEAKER_00]: he really does love what he loves what he does so deeply and he takes this art form so seriously and I feel like that's just really inspiring to see because pick some people get lost in the chaos of all of this. [SPEAKER_01]: Does he have any takes before he gets into the character?

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't know if this was him being in character or not because I couldn't really tell because he always had the mask on, which made things a little creepy, but he would like sometimes hum and like whistle before takes or like in between takes and so I couldn't tell if he was like trying to stay in that mindset of the grabber and like trying to scare me because it worked or if he was just being himself, I literally couldn't tell, but if so, I mean,

[SPEAKER_00]: that was scary. [SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like that was a strategic move, maybe, on his end, I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I saw, in behind the scenes, there's also a underwater thing. [SPEAKER_01]: is that something that you had to prepare for differently? [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, oh my god, are you kidding? [SPEAKER_00]: It was the most different thing I've ever done. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, truly ever. [SPEAKER_00]: I had to get scuba certified. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh wow, you're pati certified.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm pati certified. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that's, I love that you know that because I always say pati certified and no one knows what I'm talking about. [SPEAKER_01]: I had to do it for Shark Week. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, we'll see, there you go. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's funny because I didn't have a lot of time to complete the training. [SPEAKER_01]: Did you do it here in LA? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I did it in Catalina. [SPEAKER_00]: That's where I, that's a nice way to do it out.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was beautiful, like, gorgeous. [SPEAKER_00]: But it was interesting because I had so much stuff I had to read in this short amount of time. [SPEAKER_00]: And so I was feeling a lot of pressure. [SPEAKER_00]: And then like, you know, you go in person, take the test and everything. [SPEAKER_00]: They teach you all about the equipment and what you're going to do. [SPEAKER_00]: I trained in a pool first, obviously.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then that's when after that, after I passed all that training, they took me into Catalina. [SPEAKER_00]: And that was very scary. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not gonna lie. [SPEAKER_01]: they say that has some of the best fish out there, right? [SPEAKER_00]: It was gorgeous. [SPEAKER_00]: It was gorgeous. [SPEAKER_01]: And they're helpful for us. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, no, it was literally so beautiful. [SPEAKER_00]: Like I would 1000% do it again.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I could handle the smells and like in Catalina.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, just like once you take off your suit and everything, it's just like this smell in that area is not the best because, you know, everyone's wet suits are just out like laying in, you know, you smell, they're in the [SPEAKER_00]: So that whole part wasn't like awesome, but other than that it was so cool and I just I feel so like accomplished like I have a new skill under my belt and like this is so cool that I got to do this for black phone.

[SPEAKER_00]: Funny enough, I never got to use a regulator when filming. [SPEAKER_00]: I literally had to hold my breath. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I didn't use any of they said when I was talking to On the stunt team they were like we really just wanted you to be more comfortable like underwater. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that's fair That's totally fair and I do think it worked. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean [SPEAKER_00]: Nothing really prepares you for that like first moment of going under the water.

[SPEAKER_00]: That was a really scary. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god Funny story actually I'll kind of try and be broad with this because I don't want to give anything away But um, you know, they have to weigh they have to weigh you down for Underwater stuff so you like stand of the water. [SPEAKER_00]: I was doing a scene where I'm like [SPEAKER_00]: getting into the water. [SPEAKER_00]: We'll just say that. [SPEAKER_00]: And the weight wasn't heavy enough.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I would just stay at the top. [SPEAKER_00]: Every time I shot this scene, I would say at the top. [SPEAKER_00]: And so we had to redo it multiple times. [SPEAKER_00]: They added weight, added weight, still. [SPEAKER_00]: I would, they would take me all the way up on the lift, take me into the middle of the tank that we were shooting in, and drop me, and I still would not go down. [SPEAKER_00]: And so then this one, this one take that we did.

[SPEAKER_00]: They put, [SPEAKER_00]: More weight, right, because I just wasn't going down and it was too much weight this time And so when I jumped in I instantly like just wait, I went so fast and The scuba divers that were in the tank with me They like had to grab me by like my beanie that I had on in the wig to like stop me from going down so fast and like pulling back up That was probably the scariest moment. [SPEAKER_00]: I'd say but I'm other than that.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was really cool and [SPEAKER_00]: You know, holding your breath when you're acting is really interesting because I feel like you forget you're holding your breath. [SPEAKER_00]: So like I was like, yeah, I can go again, you know, I obviously wasn't saying that because I was on your water, but like we had these signals and everything and They would talk to me from the speakers underwater and be like, okay, Maddie, can you go again?

[SPEAKER_00]: I'd be like, [SPEAKER_00]: And also because they didn't want bubbles when I was underwater for the dream sequences. [SPEAKER_00]: And so it was funny. [SPEAKER_00]: We had to wait for all the bubbles to disappear. [SPEAKER_00]: And when I was moving, if bubbles came out of my nose, we'd have to redo it. [SPEAKER_00]: That was also really interesting. [SPEAKER_00]: I learned a lot from that as well.

[SPEAKER_01]: When you're acting in physical elements like that, do you have your lines memorized to where it's this muscle memory so that you could? [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: It honestly kind of depends on what character you're playing for Gwen.

[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to have my lines like memorize but like the back of my hand so then maybe I could add lip something or are you in a trailer reading it beforehand like oh yes I read it um in hair makeup and then after that I don't really look back at them because I have it so in my head before filming and it was honestly kind of easy this time around because when Scott sent me the script I read it every night before I went to sleep like the entire script

[SPEAKER_00]: for what you were going to film the next day no this was before we even started filming like this is the whole script i literally read the entire script every night before i went to sleep so i kind of had it all memorized honestly i feel like paragraphs are sometimes easier to memorize because it's a really bad one because they like flow out so i'm not really

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, when it's well written and Scott and Cargill are amazing writers, so everything I said just like everything I was learning kind of just felt so natural to me. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but yeah, no, it was I had known those lines like the back of my hand, so when filming, I really wasn't thinking about anything else but being in character. [SPEAKER_01]: Do you work on the sibling relationship at all when you guys are not filming? [SPEAKER_01]: I know you went to escape rooms.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me [SPEAKER_00]: Strong and like it's like you guys are actually siblings.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, but like we never even like we barely hung out in the first movie because of COVID Like it was so we weren't allowed to really and so We kind of really just hung out on set and even then it was also hard because of COVID So this time around It was interesting because we actually got to like hang out on an offset which was nice Let me like the entire cast we all hung out together, which was really fun [SPEAKER_00]: Really fun.

[SPEAKER_00]: That was probably one of my favorite memories from filming what roles you take on in the escape room I was the leader. [SPEAKER_00]: I was like the leader. [SPEAKER_00]: We all actually contributed a lot, but um We made it to the last room, and we had like

[SPEAKER_00]: 20 seconds left on her clock like we were about to lose and I'm sitting here Or I'm standing in the room alone because Mason and Ariana were trying to like figure out how to get past this room And I start looking at the symbols on the wall and I'm like, well, he just second and so I start like hitting all the symbols in like an order that it said on the circle like, you know I vague details because I don't really remember, but um, and then Mason and Ariana came in and they hit a button and it ruined the entire like it ruined the The pattern that I was doing and I was like

[SPEAKER_00]: Don't touch anything. [SPEAKER_00]: I was like leave everything and so then ten seconds left. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm like quickly It felt like we were in a movie like it was cinematic and then the door I finished it with like five seconds left to go and like the door slowly opened and we all just like we're screaming and cheering It's all raining. [SPEAKER_00]: It was it was so fun.

[SPEAKER_00]: We had a great time and then [SPEAKER_00]: I think, right after that, we played, you know, hot ones. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, of course. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: We played hot ones like the game after that. [SPEAKER_00]: And that was... Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: It was really fun. [SPEAKER_01]: Can you handle spice? [SPEAKER_00]: I can handle spice pretty well. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: In my opinion, I do quite well with spice.

[SPEAKER_00]: I love spicy food. [SPEAKER_00]: But um... [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so last round of that we decided to just drench our chicken nuggets in it. [SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to cry like I literally I was about to pass out. [SPEAKER_00]: I was dying Ariana because we had gotten chocolate milks beforehand to like help with this face and we were all out Like we were out when we had done that and so Ariana like raced into the gas station got like huge or McDonald's.

[SPEAKER_00]: She raced into McDonald's and got us like huge chocolate milks And then me and Mason were running around the car [SPEAKER_00]: because it was so cold outside and so the cold air really helped cool down our mouths. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was crazy. [SPEAKER_00]: That was, I don't recommend to anyone. [SPEAKER_01]: This is the signal for Sean Evans to reach out. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, please. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, put me on hot ones. [SPEAKER_00]: I would do anything.

[SPEAKER_00]: I would do anything. [SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like, honestly, I might have a little bit of an ego when it comes to this. [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I could do well with this one. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you're going all the way. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to be too... You're going to play this clip. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to be too overly confident, but I feel like I could do it. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm scared, but no, that is literally one of my dreams.

[SPEAKER_00]: I want to go on Halloween so badly. [SPEAKER_01]: What is it like for you to be a movie star in today's world? [SPEAKER_00]: Whoa, I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I never think about that. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I never really, I don't ever think about myself as a movie star. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like, you have actors like Ethan Hawke, like, come on. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, he's an actual movie star.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm no, I never really, I don't really think about the fame aspect of things. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, ever. [SPEAKER_00]: Because, [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's just I never really process any of that. [SPEAKER_00]: It's just like I'm so happy to be doing what I'm doing and like, you know I love the fan base so much and like having people come up to you and say like Your movie changed my life or your character saved me.

[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that is the the important aspect of things and [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I feel and see this is where I say it's so important to be kind and respectful to everyone that you're working with and always stay humble is because I feel like a lot of people let let the fame aspect consume them, which is not a good thing and then it's like it's sad because you know it kind of changes.

[SPEAKER_00]: people in not great ways and, you know, people that you were friends with are now like so different and acts so different towards you And drop you for like bigger people to hang out with and it's like so sad that that's like such a real thing You know people are so fake in this world and especially in this industry and so I really it is important to me that I keep my family close to my family

[SPEAKER_00]: It's such a great job of keeping us all so humble and we're always just grateful to be there no matter what, grateful for any opportunity that we get. [SPEAKER_00]: And so my family is dealing with the people that I keep closest to me. [SPEAKER_00]: For sure. [SPEAKER_01]: upon doing research realizing who your sister is. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. [SPEAKER_01]: Fellow actress Megan. [SPEAKER_00]: I see the thing in the back. [SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say that in the beginning.

[SPEAKER_01]: So crazy. [SPEAKER_01]: We're both always just found this passion together. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly. [SPEAKER_00]: Me and my all my siblings act act. [SPEAKER_00]: We all love the industry so much. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, we love acting, but I'm also my oldest brother. [SPEAKER_00]: He kind of found a little thing for behind the camera stuff for like more behind the camera stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: He makes Lego stop motion Which I think is so cool that takes so much patience and I like that hurts my brain to do that. [SPEAKER_00]: I could literally never. [SPEAKER_00]: He's in his room so often just like, you know, moving the characters like like Not even like literally less [SPEAKER_00]: I, my dream would be to direct something when I'm older, um, but like all my summons, we just all love it so much. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: We kind of just all found it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I guess kind of I accident my sister. [SPEAKER_00]: She was doing a modeling job. [SPEAKER_00]: I love modeling. [SPEAKER_00]: So I was like, Mom, can I do this? [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I want a model. [SPEAKER_00]: So then she took a little convincing, but she finally let me.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and then after that, a [SPEAKER_00]: photographer from LA wanted to shoot my headshots and then he posted them on Facebook and then an agent from LA saw them and she was like, she reached out to me and she was like, hey, like, do you have any other siblings? [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, yeah, I have three, three other siblings. [SPEAKER_00]: She was like, it's got them all in here and then we all just started acting, but yeah, that's kind of crazy.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is at the beginning of your career. [SPEAKER_00]: This was at the very, very beginning of my career and we originally, when did you get American sniper? [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's two things before that. [SPEAKER_00]: Or wait, there was two, yeah, I think my first time was hide and seek if I'm not mistaken. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember any of this. [SPEAKER_00]: American Cypher was easily the thing that I can remember the most that from that early on in my career.

[SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember working with Bradley? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I was so young, so it's like kind of egg, but I just, I obviously like, I knew who he was and like, good to Guardians of the Galaxy is like, my favorite Marvel movie ever. [SPEAKER_00]: And so like, you know,

[SPEAKER_00]: But I was after but knowing that I worked with him was just so cool and like I feel like it's even cooler now because you know as a kid You don't really appreciate that stuff that much and so I would love to work with him again Just like you know now knowing all his work and silver linings playbook That is another one of my favorite movies of all time But yeah, I would love to actually get to you know talk to him now because I feel like I could take advantage of working with him and like Just like

[SPEAKER_00]: tell me things like teach me teach me your way is I don't know um and like just bad for him about like so what it was your experiences been like on like silver lines playbook and like sets like that and stuff and just like how he like gets into character um something I did notice from working with him on american cyber is that he stays in character [SPEAKER_00]: Like he does stay in character the whole time from what I can remember.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and I recall a lot of people and set talking about that as well. [SPEAKER_00]: But see, that's like one of my favorite things about working with different actors and like especially bigger actors like him and Ethan is seeing their different approaches to roles and stuff. [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like you learned so much from that like.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not method myself, I don't know if I would ever be method maybe like certain aspects or characteristics that my characters have like maybe I would go a little more method for that, but I'm so far I haven't had to do that. [SPEAKER_01]: Do you feel a difference in vibe going from [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, definitely, there is a huge, like there is a drastic difference, especially with Pixar, oh my god. [SPEAKER_00]: Blum house, you know, they're so nice.

[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone that works there is so kind and that's one thing I've noticed from all, like the different kind of projects that I've worked on as everyone has always been so nice to me. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, take in such a great care of me, which I've been lucky enough to, you know, have that.

[SPEAKER_00]: But, genre-wise, [SPEAKER_00]: Pixar is literally toy story four is different from black phone in literally every aspect like it will weigh First of all not like action obviously it's animated when you found out your body would you freak out? [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I screamed. [SPEAKER_00]: I was literally screaming running around my house. [SPEAKER_00]: I because this is what I was gonna say earlier we originally lived in San Jose [SPEAKER_00]: San Jose, California.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so when we first started auditioning, we would drive back and forth from LA to Earth from San Jose to LA and back same day for auditions for auditions all the time and callbacks and sometimes we'd have a callback in the same day so we'd my mom would turn around.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why it took a lot of convincing for us like Bake her to keep us in acting because she would ask us all the time if we wanted to quit and she was like [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, the moment you guys don't like this, tell me I'm done. [SPEAKER_00]: Like seriously, I will gladly be out because you know, that's just so long in the car. [SPEAKER_00]: But anyways, Toy Story was always my go-to pick. [SPEAKER_00]: I love the Toy Story movies.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so just like the way that came around was insane. [SPEAKER_00]: That was a, I don't think I'll ever get over that. [SPEAKER_00]: Like ever, the fact that I was in Toy Story 4. [SPEAKER_00]: Is that a straight audition process where you're it was I so secret so you definitely have to keep everything a secret you're not allowed to talk about anything But you don't even get real lines you probably get fake sides because it's project.

[SPEAKER_00]: You get you we got the funny thing about that is that I got lines from the [SPEAKER_00]: from the third toy story movie, and so I knew it was for Bonnie, but usually with those things they don't tell you, because they like to keep it under wraps or they'll give everything fake names and fake lines and all that. [SPEAKER_00]: But with that, I knew it was Bonnie because of that, obviously. [SPEAKER_00]: But we weren't allowed to tell my grandparents for five years.

[SPEAKER_01]: because that's how long production was. [SPEAKER_00]: Because that's how long it took. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a finished season. [SPEAKER_00]: Wow. [SPEAKER_00]: I started when I was five and finished when I was 10. [SPEAKER_00]: And my voice didn't change throughout the entire thing. [SPEAKER_01]: How old are you? [SPEAKER_00]: I'm 16. [SPEAKER_00]: I keep forgetting because I'm 2017. [SPEAKER_01]: You're the only 16 year old girl that can keep a secret.

[SPEAKER_01]: Good for you. [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_00]: I actually pride myself in secret keeping. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm a very trustworthy person. [SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't. [SPEAKER_00]: If you tell me to keep a secret, I won't budge. [SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't tell anyone. [SPEAKER_00]: That is something I actually do pride myself in. [SPEAKER_00]: This is this mouth is under lock in key like you can't get anything out of me very cool But so when you find out your body.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what is the process look like going forward? [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so you're not in the booth with Tom Hanks in no I wish another thing I wish I could relive [SPEAKER_00]: As at my age now, but I mean, I was obviously such big fans of them like for a scum. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god. [SPEAKER_00]: Are you kidding me? [SPEAKER_00]: And then Tim Allen. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he was so cool to talk to you at the premiere, but I'll get to that in a second.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: So I auditioned for it. [SPEAKER_00]: That was at home. [SPEAKER_00]: That we recorded on a phone in like a closet. [SPEAKER_00]: That's the most mine. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know. [SPEAKER_00]: I know. [SPEAKER_00]: That's so crazy to me. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and then the call back was in person. [SPEAKER_00]: Because they want you to come into the studio and try different lines. [SPEAKER_01]: Do you see who you're up against?

[SPEAKER_00]: sometimes for things like that or things that are bigger, they kind of try to keep you guys separated and not let you see who you're going out up against and also at the time I was five so, you know, also a little vague. [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, did the call back? [SPEAKER_00]: They kind of told me in the room, they hinted to me that I got it, but then we didn't find out until like officially until later, lot later, actually.

[SPEAKER_00]: They were like, okay, you booked the role of Bonnie and I was like, I was going insane. [SPEAKER_00]: I literally was screaming running around my house. [SPEAKER_00]: And so then seeing that process growing up and watching that was so interesting to me because like, you know, it starts off with these illustrations and like these like little drawings that like move so slowly and like it's like one frame at a time.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then it goes from that to like, you know, actually the full on animation process and there were some lines that I had to do ADR for because like they had finished the animation on certain scenes or they would rewrite scenes and change them. [SPEAKER_00]: So that process in every aspect, I feel is so different from acting, especially when it comes to doing voice recording. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you have to use your body so much.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I really exaggerate with my hands when I'm doing voice work because, um, [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I also feel like I learned a lot after the movie came out and I was like, I kind of done that better. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, when listening back to it, because like, I feel like I could have known the context a little more, like expressed myself a little bigger.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it came off cross on camera more because it is actually really hard for your voice to like, for emotions to come through through your voice when you're acting. [SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like you do have to use your body movement a lot. [SPEAKER_01]: Was that your first big voice overall? [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I definitely. [SPEAKER_01]: Or voice after. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, definitely, definitely, definitely.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember if I did any of my other voice work before after that. [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I learned so much from that experience and I would love to do more voice work because it is so cool. [SPEAKER_00]: Do you ever when he's asking me about that? [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, no stop. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know anything. [SPEAKER_00]: Seriously. [SPEAKER_01]: When does cars come into play?

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay, see, and that's where my memory is a little hazy. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't remember, I, most positive I did that after. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, no, yeah, I definitely did that after. [SPEAKER_00]: That was also so cool because once again, I love cars. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, cars is one of my favorite picture movies of all time. [SPEAKER_00]: I constantly have that on on my phone.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, when I'm going to sleep, it's between like, I listened to like cars, princess in the frog, and ratitude. [SPEAKER_00]: Those are like, the ratitude. [SPEAKER_00]: So good, those are the three movies I like. [SPEAKER_00]: I changed from but with cars that it was all animated already like it was all finished so that was a different experience for me from working on toy story for so are you trying to live match yeah I had to match my cars mouth. [SPEAKER_01]: to the car.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's on so weird. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but yeah, and also they named the car after me. [SPEAKER_01]: That was cool. [SPEAKER_00]: Which is so cool. [SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm a literal toy. [SPEAKER_00]: Like there is a, I have in my house a like the figurine, like the little toy car that they gave me and like that they were selling at stores and stuff, which is just so that is such a surreal moment.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like I was like, oh my god, Maddie McGear, like [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, I'm part of like car's history, that is so sick. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, I was just so grateful for that whole experience because I mean, they did not have to name the car after me. [SPEAKER_00]: That was, that was really cool. [SPEAKER_01]: Really cool. [SPEAKER_01]: What other Pixar universe would you want to be part of?

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know a little fish named after you find a chemo hey who knows you never know I love monsters ink so much monsters ink is also one of my favorites. [SPEAKER_01]: Great ride. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god I'm so sad it's going away. [SPEAKER_00]: Is it? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's what I heard aren't they shutting it down? [SPEAKER_01]: Oh no I heard that go away.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know no bring it back bring it back [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but no, I also go to sleep to monsters ink all the time. [SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like that would be really cool and I'd love to see like maybe how they'd animate me as a monster I feel like that'd be really cool to see that's one of my favorite things about voice work is getting to see yourself like animated as someone so different Like or even like an object, you know, it's really cool

[SPEAKER_01]: when you step into a universe like that for Pixar are you do get auditions thrown to you a little easier now that you're part of the world or is it still all the same i mean that's part of the reason cars three came to me was because i worked toy store story four so so grateful for that and then does that segue into marvel because Disney marvel i don't

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I don't think so because when I booked a young hope that whole process was a lot different, but that was also interesting. [SPEAKER_00]: I find it interesting, the kind of parallels that me and my sister have had in our careers. [SPEAKER_01]: And what way? [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I played young hope, she played young Yelena. [SPEAKER_00]: I was in, or she was in a Blum House Universal Horror movie. [SPEAKER_00]: I was in a Blum House Universal Horror movie.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: Kind of weird. [SPEAKER_00]: How is it? [SPEAKER_00]: Kind of. [SPEAKER_00]: stayed on like similar paths in a way and should I find that so crazy you guys talk shop?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes all the time all the time even when it's not wanted I'm all you know it's the big sister and me I'm always given notes But no sure she also has stuff that she critiques me on to But I feel like that's what makes you such like makes you improve as an actor as people's opinions I love hearing people's opinions and and you know that's one of the things about acting is that [SPEAKER_00]: you're literally letting that your job is letting people judge you. [SPEAKER_01]: Like openly.

[SPEAKER_00]: Openly judging you and I I think that's one of the things I had to really get used to. [SPEAKER_01]: The criticism? [SPEAKER_00]: Was the criticism? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Now, I really do appreciate it. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I tell people, I'm like, tell me something you want different. [SPEAKER_00]: Tell me something you want me to change or do differently. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm so open to it. [SPEAKER_00]: I wanna know. [SPEAKER_00]: I wanna hear other people's thoughts.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm very collaborative when it comes to, I feel like you have to be when going on sets and stuff. [SPEAKER_00]: And that's one of the reasons I love working with Scott so much. [SPEAKER_00]: And especially at such a young age is that, you know, people don't really treat you the same as a kid actor.

[SPEAKER_00]: They treat you differently in a better way or what do you mean differently in a better way, but like in the caring like they care for you a lot more, but also they kind of don't take you as seriously and so you know working with Scott, he really did treat me as like such an equal and he is so collaborative like he really does believe that are that us as actors know more about our characters than anyone else so knowing that he had that much trust in me playing Gwen was so amazing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Is he asking you for feedback throughout while you guys are filming? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, all the time. [SPEAKER_00]: He does all the time. [SPEAKER_00]: He even asked me if I had like notes on the script originally. [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, he was like, anything you think should be changed or whatnot. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it was like, no, this is perfect. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think anything should be changed. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want anything to be changed.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, keep everything in the same detail for detail. [SPEAKER_00]: But, and then on set, he'd like, he trusts me so much with Gwen that

[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't really give me notes ahead of time and he kind of wants me to like do it the way I would do it because that was honestly you know the beating scene in the first black phone the first take that they went with that was I mean I might have been the first take that we did but I remember I added this this when I was saying my lines I added a sort of defiant tone and one of them and after the take Scott was like Maddie I love that keep that do that in every single take

[SPEAKER_00]: And so I feel like from that moment on, it was kind of like this like unspoken trust and honesty that we had with each other. [SPEAKER_00]: And then the scene I was talking about with me, Mason and Jeremy, that took three days. [SPEAKER_00]: We did so much rehearsing for that, like with the choreography, not less with our lines. [SPEAKER_00]: But it's funny. [SPEAKER_00]: He actually gave me no notes on that scene when we were rehearsing it.

[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't he didn't want me to change anything and then on the day when we were shooting We did it a bunch of different ways or a bunch of different times and then finally he came to me and he was like Let's try it differently this time. [SPEAKER_00]: I want you to do it like this and then he instantly came back to me after and was like Nope, go back to the way you're doing it. [SPEAKER_00]: That was better. [SPEAKER_00]: I liked it the way you're doing an original lean.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, okay [SPEAKER_01]: But I love seeing the shots of you guys where he's walking it out in your hair. [SPEAKER_00]: I love that. [SPEAKER_00]: That's my favorite video of us together. [SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was so cool getting to see because I didn't know anyone was recording us. [SPEAKER_00]: And then seeing me like copying his movements and like we were in sync. [SPEAKER_00]: It was so cool to watch.

[SPEAKER_00]: I wish I could see more behind the same moments because I feel like that was so cool. [SPEAKER_01]: You've done a lot of TV. [SPEAKER_01]: You've done a lot of movies. [SPEAKER_01]: What's the difference between TV and movies for you as an actress? [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I mean, I feel like for TV sometimes it kind of depends, but with TV, I feel like I'm able to kind of be a lot more like free with my lines.

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I really do feel like it depends on what character you're playing, but like for sulfur springs I would sometimes just like learn my lines on the way to set like I would just because I mean like I Loved that character so much and I feel like she was literally a twin in real life And she was a twin in the show and I'm a twin in real life, so I could just easily relate to her in a lot of ways But also I had so much chemistry with that cast and I feel like we were able to bounce off of each other so easily That cast is like my family like I love everyone that worked on that

[SPEAKER_00]: So deeply. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but that's that in that aspect, I think is different like you have a lot more. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I don't want to say creative freedom per se because once again, I do think it depends on what you're working on, but with sulfur springs. [SPEAKER_01]: It's a little looser. [SPEAKER_00]: It was definitely a lot looser.

[SPEAKER_00]: And, um, [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was a lot happier for sure when you're working on a movie like black phone, the tones are also dark. [SPEAKER_00]: And so it's hard to keep vibes positive on set. [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like people kind of go out of their way to make things happier and like make you laugh and stuff when you're working on such a dark horror movie. [SPEAKER_00]: Whereas like on sofa, we were goofing off 24-7.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like things were taken so uncereously on that set. [SPEAKER_00]: So that's where I think they were [SPEAKER_01]: We have a fan submitted question. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: If you could pitch a spin-off to sulfur springs, yes. [SPEAKER_01]: What would it be? [SPEAKER_00]: I think, okay, I love that show so much. [SPEAKER_00]: And I love everyone that I worked with on that so much. [SPEAKER_00]: So I would do anything just to be back with the original cast.

[SPEAKER_00]: I would do anything, like truly. [SPEAKER_00]: I miss them all so much. [SPEAKER_00]: And I want to work with them all so badly.

[SPEAKER_00]: But in my opinion, if there was a spin-off, [SPEAKER_00]: I would love to have the twins be like go off more on their own adventure because in the show there was originally a lot of things that the twins were supposed to do that just got like changed last minute and stuff and then in the next the season that was going to be after the season that ended that we ended on. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, the twins were supposed to have a really cool storyline.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, they were dealing with like a whole separate ghost and and everything. [SPEAKER_00]: So I would have loved and like twins were like the comedic relief of the show. [SPEAKER_00]: And so I would have just I would love for there to be a spinoff of like the focus being on them and like all the trouble that they would get into because I feel like it would just be so entertaining. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I love land and he's literally like my real-life brother like I love him so much. [SPEAKER_00]: So grateful that I got to work with them and that they were so kind and that we all got along so well I feel so lucky to have them in my life.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like in my life truly that's so cool to have even just a Disney production under your belt No so cool and I got to the one idea which was bucket list like that is a dream that is a childhood dream So getting to do that was also just so cool. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm so grateful for that. [SPEAKER_01]: Who are some of your peers that you're a fan of? [SPEAKER_00]: Ooh, let's give him a shout out. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, like my age. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a bracket.

[SPEAKER_01]: Five or ten years older younger. [SPEAKER_01]: Who are you watching that when you're seeing them on camera? [SPEAKER_01]: You just can't believe how good of a actor there. [SPEAKER_00]: Shoot. [SPEAKER_00]: Like this is really hard. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I have a lot of people that I want to work with. [SPEAKER_00]: Like Miles Teller is someone I would love to work with. [SPEAKER_00]: I am such a big fan. [SPEAKER_01]: Top Gun is so good.

[SPEAKER_00]: Top Gun, but with Blash, with Blash is my top four. [SPEAKER_00]: Like that is in my top four. [SPEAKER_00]: It is stayed my favorite movie for as long as I can remember. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so, and I actually got to meet him at the, the Gorge premiere. [SPEAKER_00]: And I got to talk to him a little bit about that movie and the script. [SPEAKER_00]: And so that was literally one of the most insanely unreal moments of my entire life. [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't feel real.

[SPEAKER_00]: That was, that was a moment I was definitely star-struck for sure. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so him, I would love to work with him. [SPEAKER_00]: I would love to work with Haley Steinfield. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I'm a huge fan of her work. [SPEAKER_00]: I actually recently just watched centers for the first time that movie is insane. [SPEAKER_00]: that is insane. [SPEAKER_00]: I watched it on a plane. [SPEAKER_00]: I watched it on a plane.

[SPEAKER_00]: I watched it on my plane back from press for black food. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And then who else I was just talking about this with someone else the other day. [SPEAKER_00]: So when I would love to work with actually who's like in my age range, you know, actually would be owned Cooper. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm a huge fan of him in adolescence. [SPEAKER_00]: He killed it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like [SPEAKER_00]: props to everyone who worked on that because that is seriously one of the most impressive things ever, especially in a show, like having to do that so many times, oh my god. [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, he's someone I would love to work with and also he just won an Emmy. [SPEAKER_00]: So I mean that is like in that is a insanely, that is an insane accomplishment, especially at his age truly. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I have so much respect for him as an actor.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, [SPEAKER_00]: I would love to work with her. [SPEAKER_00]: She is a dream person that I would love to work with and Florence P. and my sister got to work with those of them. [SPEAKER_00]: The one thing I was ever jealous of my sister for was her getting to work with them on Black Widow. [SPEAKER_00]: I would have done anything to be a part of that. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.

[SPEAKER_00]: Do you and your sister ever go head to head on rarely ever like truly rarely ever and when [SPEAKER_00]: Usually when we do get the same audition, we usually like say, oh, this is more for you. [SPEAKER_01]: That's so cool. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like for hunting in Hillhouse, I've talked about the story before. [SPEAKER_00]: I got the audition for a young Nelly as well.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I just remember, I was reading the script and violet, you know, she got the audition as well, obviously. [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, [SPEAKER_00]: This is more for Violet. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, this is definitely her role. [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like she's gonna book this. [SPEAKER_00]: And so I did not just before it, I turned it down. [SPEAKER_00]: And then she did, she got it. [SPEAKER_00]: So I was like, I meant a festive that for you. [SPEAKER_01]: That's cool.

[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, that was a cool moment. [SPEAKER_00]: But we kinda know each other so well that we know what's right for each other and what we think like the other one has a better shot at. [SPEAKER_00]: So we do really rarely ever go head to head on things, but what we do, that's kind of what happens. [SPEAKER_01]: What are your top three horror movies now? [SPEAKER_00]: Ooh, great question. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna go silence of the lambs. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wow.

[SPEAKER_00]: Dad is one of my favorite movies ever, I have a lot of favorite movies if you couldn't tell. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, sounds of the lambs, an entertaining one for me. [SPEAKER_00]: I actually really loved her eyes. [SPEAKER_01]: Hard eyes, I haven't seen that. [SPEAKER_00]: I believe it was so funny. [SPEAKER_00]: Like you should watch it. [SPEAKER_01]: I know it's a DVD box. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's hilarious, and it's so entertaining.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but I don't know if I put that in my top three, I'm going to go sinister, silence of the lambs, and oh my god, what is that one movie with Leonardo DiCaprio? [SPEAKER_01]: Shutter Island. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, Shutter Island. [SPEAKER_01]: Great movie. [SPEAKER_00]: That movie actually terrified me. [SPEAKER_01]: Really good twist. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't get scared. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: That's such a lie. [SPEAKER_00]: I do get scared. [SPEAKER_00]: Very often.

[SPEAKER_00]: But like the more and more you watch horror movies, the more predictable. [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like or like the more you can predict them and like, oh, there's going to be a jump scare here. [SPEAKER_00]: And that movie, like, sight chords and stuff, that's the stuff that actually scares me, because I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: It's just like really terrifies me. [SPEAKER_00]: And like, that's the stuff I have bad dreams about and nightmares about.

[SPEAKER_01]: Insidious is the kind of stuff that terrifies me. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, see, that stuff like that doesn't really get me. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, what if like a Google comes into my house. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm gonna do call it pull through guys and get rid of it. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yes, see, I know. [SPEAKER_00]: But like, in my opinion, because shutter island is more realistic, that's the stuff that scares me.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, the more like, [SPEAKER_00]: not honestly the kind of like the none stuff and like the stuff that deals with religion and like churches and like demons and like the devil that's supposed to be here. [SPEAKER_01]: Did you see this any swinging movie where she was the nun? [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't. [SPEAKER_01]: That was really good. [SPEAKER_00]: What's it called? [SPEAKER_01]: Pretty gory. [SPEAKER_01]: What's the name of it?

[SPEAKER_00]: Emaculate okay, I have not seen that that's crazy on my best now on my watch list Okay, I'm going to watch it cuz I've been on a like I watch like a movie a day and Recently, I've been on a kick of horror movies because you know Halloween obviously October and Blackphone Tuesday's coming out And so I want to have like all these horror movies that I've watched under my belt [SPEAKER_01]: Do you have a favorite slasher? [SPEAKER_01]: Or her icon, Freddie, Michael Myers?

[SPEAKER_00]: Ooh, that's so hard. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Freddie is so iconic. [SPEAKER_00]: And I loved that movie. [SPEAKER_00]: I actually, what got me to watch that was going into Black Phone 2, you know, because I felt it had some similarities. [SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, like, Ghost Faces, so funny. [SPEAKER_00]: Those movies are hilarious. [SPEAKER_00]: I love scream. [SPEAKER_00]: Michael Myers is pretty scary. [SPEAKER_00]: You know what? [SPEAKER_00]: I have never seen, um, oh my god.

[SPEAKER_00]: Why am I blinking on the name? [SPEAKER_00]: But one with leather face.

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[SPEAKER_01]: even the robes on be movie sir. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I mean like Michael Myers doesn't really scare me that much Ghostface doesn't scare me.

[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that's just more of like an enjoyable like funny slasher So and so I really like I really like the movies that actually get me like you really terrified where I'm like [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I'm gonna sleep tonight, but other than that, I do love the comedic horror movies, and that's why I love the screen series so much, but also a movie I really loved was Thanksgiving. [SPEAKER_00]: That movie was so funny.

[SPEAKER_00]: I genuinely enjoyed watching that so much because Gore doesn't bother me, and so for me, it's like, that stuff doesn't really gross me out that much. [SPEAKER_01]: Christmas horror silent night. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I want to see that too.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I can see the yeah, I want to see that so badly Once again, I have so many movies on my watch list that I have to watch and so that's why I watch like I try to watch a movie a day I'm actually watching the maze runner franchise right now because it just came out on Netflix. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, no But yeah, no, I love horror movie so much.

[SPEAKER_00]: I love watching them at one a year or like late at night Because then it really gets you what your day-to-day like now [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, recently, secretly. [SPEAKER_00]: I just watched, not just, but like, fairly recent. [SPEAKER_00]: I just watched the terrifying movie. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wow. [SPEAKER_00]: With my sister, we first won. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we watched it at one end. [SPEAKER_00]: That we were like, we wanted to really scare us.

[SPEAKER_00]: So we watched it when I am. [SPEAKER_00]: It honestly was not that bad.

[SPEAKER_00]: maybe I'm psychotic three is where they say it gets three is I talked to the cast at hornites and they were like three is where it's just across the line it crosses a line and so I'm like I don't know if I'll partake in watching the third movie just because maybe I don't want to put myself through that or have those images in my head but I'm not I wasn't actually allowed to watch the terrifier movies so I'm glad this door is closed

[SPEAKER_00]: So my mom doesn't hear, but my dad would like he would literally be so mad at me, my sister, because that is the one Pinch eyes that he's like Maddie, I swear to God if you watch those movies, like I will be so mad Like I just don't want you to like in like enter that as A child Is your genre as this is your world, though?

[SPEAKER_00]: I know when I'm so mad because like I feel like it'd be so fun to be a part of like a terrifying movie You know, would you want to be part of a scary movie like they bring in scary movie six back? [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I would love to those movies are so [SPEAKER_01]: If they did cameyos, would you want to be part of that? [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, easily, yes, for sure. [SPEAKER_00]: I love horror movies so much that they're so fun.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like the reason I love them so much is because people that do horror movies are not afraid to take risks. [SPEAKER_00]: They're not afraid to go outside the box. [SPEAKER_00]: They're not afraid to be different. [SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I love them so much is because I have this sort of respect for them. [SPEAKER_00]: Because I feel like a lot of people are hesitant at times, especially when you're not doing a horror movie.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I feel like doing horror gives you more of a, [SPEAKER_00]: a wider range to like explore and take those risks. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's why I love horror so much. [SPEAKER_01]: For people going to the theater to go see black phone too, is there anything you want them to pay attention to look out for a certain act or anything that you could say? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure, I definitely do.

[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like true fans will notice what I'm about to say, but there are really special tributes or like parallels in the second movie to the first. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, there are some scenes that I was like, when filming, I'm like, oh my god, Scott, this reminds me of that scene and the first movie of all that and he was like, yeah, that's We kind of did it as like a tribute. [SPEAKER_01]: So is it almost an Easter egg kind of?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there could there definitely some Easter eggs in the second one for sure. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah for sure. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but also [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I'm so scared to spoil anything. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to give anything away. [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm something I will say is it is heartbreaking. [SPEAKER_00]: It is a very emotional movie. [SPEAKER_00]: It is also way scarier than the first one. [SPEAKER_01]: Try the really sharpness. [SPEAKER_00]: Way scarier.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like in my opinion, I've seen the first one so many times so maybe this is why. [SPEAKER_00]: But like after watching the first one, or after being in the first one, and then watching the second one, [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, it's like, in my opinion, the first one at that point is like not even that scary. [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like the person was so scary because all that could happen, like a lot of that was so realistic, and that's what made it so scary, um, and also Ethan.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is terrifying, the grower is so scary, but like everything is so amped up in the second one. [SPEAKER_00]: It is just ten times scarier in every aspect, and yeah, I'm just really clever if you'll see it, because me, even though I was in it, and I've literally seen it twice now, [SPEAKER_00]: it's still got me when like the jump scares and everything they all still get me.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm curious as to see how many times it'll take to rewatch this this one to where it won't get me. [SPEAKER_00]: But it's own embarrassing. [SPEAKER_00]: I'd seen the first one so many times because we went to so many screenings for it and it got me every single time. [SPEAKER_00]: The jumpscare's not when got me every single time.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so I feel like in Scott and Cargill are so, so talented when it comes to writing and so genius with their placement and everything that I feel like the jump scares are so unexpected. [SPEAKER_00]: And so that's what makes them get you every single time. [SPEAKER_00]: I love jump scares. [SPEAKER_00]: That's what makes horror movies in my opinion. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like that like sort of, um, oh, what's it called? [SPEAKER_00]: How do I explain this?

[SPEAKER_00]: When you're waiting, like when you're on the edge of your seat, um, there's a word this suspense. [SPEAKER_00]: This suspense. [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god Can never think of things when I'm like doing interviews and stuff But suspense as my favorite thing when it comes to movies I feel like that's really what scares me the most and I feel like black phone too does that so I'm excited October 17. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, go see it in theaters.

[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for coming by. [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for opening up. [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for sharing Yes, thanks for having me. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, guys go see the movie. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: That was so good. [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_00]: That was so fun

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