JRE MMA Show #177 - Protect Ya Neck

The Joe Logan Experience.

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We're back.

We were just talking and I saw that.

Ha ha

Until Rollo save this for the air. Because Rollo years ago, shit, this ought to be like at least ten years ago.

Twenty. 2006, 2007.

So twenty years ago Rollo calls me up and he says, Tommy Lee wants to meet you. He wants to talk to you about something. I go, Okay, sure. So we go to see his concert. That was when he was at Rock and Roll Supernova. Right. So you had a T V show.

Yeah.

Right, right.

You and Eddie came.

And Neddy Bravo came and then uh afterwards, first of all, Tommy Lee has the dopest green room. Like he sets his green room up like a fucking after hours party. He's got like tapestries on the wall and candles and lights.

Yeah, you won't.

Walking like damn like this.

Yeah.

Yeah, he doesn't just walk into a cold green room. Like I'm late.

Yeah.

If I go on the road I just go what what's your green room? I'll go hang out in there. It's like it doesn't just walk. But he has it set up. Like everywhere is like calm and relaxing and spiritual. And uh so I meet Tommy and Tommy wants to fight kid rock in the UFC.

This is this was true. What makes people think they can do this? It's for Pam Anderson's heart.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's kinda how it started. That was that way with Pam. Yeah. Like, you know, they both were married to her. So Tommy and her are always gonna be connected because of the kids. So she had split up with Kid Rock and Kid Rock was emailing her, texting her, I guess, you know, still trying to get with her. Tommy is with her. Not together, but you know, they were together that day. And he's she asked him, you know, you're friends with him. Can you call him and tell him to stop?

Oh so they actually went looking for it?

I don't think they went looking for him.

on the wall.

Sign some autographs and and they keep it moving. So I'm saying to Tommy, I go, yo, dude, I go, fuck him. I go, you should fight him on pay-per-view. Imagine

Ha ha.

I go, I'll fight his fucking security guy, like we'll fucking make a whole thing of it. And he goes, Man, that's brilliant.

Oh my god.

So I go, uh I go, you know, I'm telling you, I said you should do y I said, look, either you fight him and you beat him up, or he punks out and you win either way. And he's like he's like, Yeah, yeah, I like this. So he talks to his management, of course it just goes by the wayside. Well, they're having some MTV awards shit. Security's not allowed on the floor there. They had their own like cass you know, it was in a casino to have security for it.

Hit him.

And I'm home. My phone is getting blown the fuck up. Like, what happened with Tommy? What happened with Tommy? I'm like, I don't fucking know. Like I'm not with him right now. And uh I get a call. I swear like thirty minutes later and it's Tommy and he's going, Fuck him He goes, I'm done with that motherfucker. I wanna fight him. I'm gonna fucking fight him now. I go, he goes, I want you to train me. I go, he goes, I'm gonna move you out. I go, No You're moving to me.

Is he working out at all at the time? No.

So um, you know, all the the only working out he does is on the drums, which he does murder. So um

That is a little bit of architecture.

Yeah, for sure. That's like a little punch, yeah.

Definitely. And I can show you a picture of him with a choke on me, and it's uh legit. Like he he did train with Horian, and he I told you guys he trained some with Billy Blank. So

This was I've talked about this on the podcast.

That's right.

It was a one of those like Raymond Daniels type karate point fighting characters in the early days. He's a tybo guy, but we'll get to that. We'll get to that.

I bring him in and uh and I he I told him, I said, Look we're when we're going to uh Long Beach I said, I know Rogan, I can have him come in and you can tell him your idea.

Yeah.

And he goes, All right, all right. So I bring Joe and Eddie, they meet him. Yeah, he tells Joe he wants to fight him. Literally and Tommy said his m uh sanctuary was his management company at the time. I don't know if he still is or not. So they call Kid Rock's people, supposedly

And

offer this fucking fight on pay per view and Kid Rock's people wound up calling back and basically turning it down saying whoever loses is ruined. for you know, for life I guess,'cause looking like a bitch'cause they both have the rock and roll tough guy, you know, image thing. So uh

Do you say that improve?

That's literally how it how it starts.

Was that in print?

Watch that.

Whoever loses this is ruined or was that

That was supposedly the response from Kid Rock's management to Tommy's management.

That is correct. He would be correct.

Yeah, but...

What if it's a a good fight? Like a Steffen Bonner and B

Oh my god.

Well that would be different.

They'll be revolutionary.

Kind of forget who won that fight. Stefan Bonner Forrest Griffin.

Four is one afternoon.

But I kind of forget because the fight was so good.

It was...

That was one of the most toss up fights of all time. Like who fucking knows?

And Dana Dana did the right thing. He contracted both of them.

Uh we actually talked about it in the Octagon right before we did it. Wow.

Did you really? Yeah.

But he should give both these motherfuckers a bonus. He's like, We're gonna do that. I'm like, fuck yeah. It was amazing.

Do you think uh if it wasn't for the ultimate fighter, it would have died out?

Who knows, man, but it was like lightning in a box. Because there was another good fight before that. Diego Sanchez fucked Kenny Florian up, man. It was DM.

A one way beating down.

But that was Diego Sanchez coming up. Like people got to see Diego fight too many fights. They got to see the later fights. They forgot what a monster Diego was to in his prime. He was cardio animal.

question is grappling. I mean Marcello got him, but you know he he hung with one of the best of all time.

Just an ADC.

Yeah.

It was a fucking Listen man, you can only get hit so many times.

Agreed. And he was at halfway gone before taking all

Remember we had that guy that was training them that you had a little bit of uh disagreement with

What about that loser?

Joshua Fabian. Yeah, I don't mention his name. Cut that part out of here. I thought it was deleted.

Well he had Diego hanging upside down. He liked punching him in his face. Yeah, the video's insane. The video's insane. But Diego was like super, super open-minded. Like he was willing to believe in magic. He was you know what I'm saying? Like he believed in himself so much that Diego was like and he was also like doing weird stuff, like he would chew meat and and spit it out. He would just chew it down.

But it was fun to watch.

He was a fucking animal. Steve Maxwell trained him for uh the fight with BJ Penn and got him in insane shape. But unfortunately, that was the fight where BJ started that was when BJ was training with BJ was unstoppable back then. There was a time where I would say, watch BJ in his prime, I'll put that dude up against anybody.

There's no doubt. I always say he's the best for fifty fiver of all time. He was like in that wind in that window, right? In that window when he beat Matt Hughes.

Yeah.

Yeah. But you did a lot better with him than I did.

I thought you did. But I mean, I thought Matt won a championship caliber jujitsu. Yeah. You know what I mean? And a guy like him relies on jujitsu a lot. You know, and but ju BJ was just Yeah.

He was a beast. Matt look what he did to Matt Hughes when he took the title. Yeah. He was a beast. Matt Hughes was just like you're coming up to my way class? Yeah. You know, that type of thing.

It was a Wolverine.

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The dude who would fight people at two hundred he fought Lioto Machida, two hundred pounds.

It's crazy. That's a good guy.

Fucking animal. And did real good. Scary on the feet.

Yeah.

A natural fifty fiver who fought as low as forty five. Yeah.

And he was well rounded too before guys were super well rounded. Like he threw hands well.

If he just c To go through those Marinovich camps every fight, he would have been unstoppable. Yeah, they just B J would you know, he would just lose his focus a little bit. I watched a YouTube documentary about like the rise and trajectory and then It was really well done. But it was all just talking about how th there's this prime BJ and that's when he was training with the Marinoviches and incredible conditioning and he could just f go fight and not worry about his condition.

Do you think

It wasn't laziness, right? What what do you think it was?

A lot of parking.

McPeach and Peppers was the king.

Everywhere he would go, people like it's BJ I mean, he was a king in Vegas, man. He w in d in those prime years when he was the champ, he was a huge star. So I'm sure he's a huge star in Hilo. He's probably hanging out with the boys all the time, having a good time.

Plus his family like had influence there, right? They had like money.

That's money. It didn't come from poverty. But it's just like that it's just was real hard to maintain those kind of camps. Those camps are insane.

He was also super, super talented. Super talented. He didn't have to work as hard to still beat up people. Like in practice.

Goodness.

I remember when I fought him and we were doing a rules meeting. This is the time where like we could ask questions, like they did everybody in the rules meeting. And I'm in the rules meeting and Frank Shamrock was in his corner and Frank's like

I am saying.

Right. I was like, how the hell is he gonna be able to kick me in the head from there? But apparently BJ had that flexibility to be able to do that.

Put a tree behind it.

He could do double lotus without using his hand.

That's crazy.

sit back and just fucking completely crop but lotus. Yeah. Like interlocked with no hands.

That's insane.

Yeah. His flexibility is bananas. And he worked on it. It wasn't just like a natural gift, but how smart was he to figure out if you could use your legs like you could use your arms, they're so much fucking stronger.

Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, no doubt.

That's nuts, man. He can put his own fucking leg behind his head with no hands. That's crazy.

I'd say he was gonna kick you while you were north south.

that is nuts. But if is that legal? No. Nah, not there's a lot of goofy rules, right? Like that's there's a I don't think it would be cool to stomp people in the head and soccer kick them, but at least knees to the head

To the head should be okay.

Because if you're shooting on a single and you're holding on to it and your head's right there, that's a stupid place to be in real life. Right? Right.

Let's just

Real life, a real fight. Why wouldn't the guy knee you in the head? You're grabbing his knee. If he's you're you're all hid right here, all he has to do is knee you in the face and he can't do it'cause you're on your knees.

And let's be fair, like a knee when somebody's on their feet is worse than that. Yes. You know what I'm saying? Like that's not

Yeah.

Yeah, that's not as like if if if you're on the phone I knee you in the head, that's still not as bad as if me just kneeing you right in the face with on yeah.

Especially if you're quite the Mike Michael Venom Page fight. The one

Oh yeah, the cyborg.

Yeah. The most amount of power you can generate has gotta be a knee.

A flying knee.

Well guys coming in

thing I'm I'm not a fan of is the

About Canada.

Yeah, like uh you know, you saw what happens if you if you hit it right when Khalil did it.

Yeah.

You know my my opinion there is it Just something that if you hit it right it's a y it's autumn an injury's coming and and not a good one. You can't tap, it's not like a knee bar or something. So I kinda think if you can't kick a guy in the side of the knee for that reason, why should you be able to

If you can kick in the knees, you should be able to kick in the nuts.

Ha ha.

I I need what are we doing here? What are we doing here? We're pretending. Like we're a cop and I can kick you in the nuts. There's some good cops out there.

I'll get a steel one.

It's crazy. Like why why do we have s weird rules like that?

Crazy because like every time somebody gets kicked in the nuts, you say it, you always say it, why don't you get a steel cup? The fact that no one has a steel cup to me after all this time is

Unbelievable code. And it's ultimate cheap code in in gar in in grappling to it.

I got you.

Do you guys remember Amir Renov Renovardi? Yeah, yeah.

That's a long time.

Yeah, a long time ago. I trained with him at uh Legends and he mounted me and he put his cup in my solar plexus. Like I was ready to tap from his dick.

All right, imagine imagine my two two sixty five DM. You know what I mean? And I always wear a cup when I train, you know.

And it's also as a lever for an arm bar.

A new ball or anything.

Now you're gonna slide your elbow pan.

You know what's a weird fucking look when the guys wear the whole spandex and they have that steel cup, so they got like a big fucking dick.

The Shiny Carter cut.

That's a Yellow Romero.

Remember that Shoney Carter c I think Eddie fucking talked about it for the entire fight. It was a King of a Cage fight and Shoney was fighting and he had a giant couple and and I swear Eddie just commentated about the size of the cup. It was hilarious.

Bro, in the Taekwondo days y they had ones you'd put on over your pants. So you put you'd have your Ghee pants on, and then you'd put these ones on over it and it had to be a little bit of a little bit of This big strap would go right up to your taint. Like right literally to your asshole and then go all the way up like this and you would strap it in. But it was way better. It was way better'cause you have to like

Or action cup.

No, it was a taekwondo it was just for taekwondo. It was just literally designed to wear outside of And that's when I realized, like, oh you can never wear regular cups. Like regular cups move too much. It's just sitting there and sometimes your nut gets caught between the cup and your leg. When you get hit there, it's way

And I think maybe the UFC should make that mandatory. Like why would it be?

Yeah if you're a shortcut. Where those like the diamond MMA ones?

That's a cup I have. I like it.

Yeah. And if you don't want to wear steel, that's fine. Right. You don't wanna have dental floss up your asshole and tie. It's uncomfortable but that's... I would think if I was advising someone, I'd say get a fucking steel cup before they outlaw it Because they should have a long time ago.

You should have to wear that though. I mean it would it would eliminate all the nutshot.

If you're smart, you would wear a steel cup 100%. If somebody kicks you in the nuts, it'll hurt them more than it hurts you. Like it protects you from everything. Mm-hmm. It's uncomfortable. That's all it is. Just uncomfortable. So's fighting.

Yeah, yeah, so I was fighting, so it's getting kicked in the nut.

Yeah. Dude, I can't believe it's legal. I really do. I ca it's like one of the how do you Yeah.

Who but who seems stealing anybody has?

SHIT guy!

You do.

Your G C wore it every fight he had. Oh shit. Dude, it's you imagine a guy diving on a double and you hip into him.

Oh man.

You're slamming his face with your dick. Your dick is a Your dick's covered in metal and that's legal.

That pads on your knuckles!

You have to have pads on your knuckles and you got an armor plate.

Over your car. Yeah, I would I would definitely wear that.

If I was fighting.

I'm selling them. I'm gonna start selling them on my website. Because it's like

There's no way that should be l

Legal. Yeah. Like how is that legal?

I don't know

You bring in metal into the equation. A foot can hit metal, a knee can be.

And you can do that and no and the fact that no one does it

It's not well a few guys do it. We were talking about different guys who've done it that that are currently doing it. And I know D C did it but there's a few guys who still do it and we were talking about it on one of the broadcasts. I don't remember which guys he was pointing out, but there's a few guys. Kenny Florian always wore a steel cup.

But the fact that not everyone

I got that from Delagrat.

Yeah.

Hey, where's it?

Hundred percent.

That's fucking hilarious.

I starts talking tie. It speaks fluent time.

Does he really?

He's like a guinea from Boston.

Yeah.

When when he talks he can talk to Thai people, it freaks them out. Really?

Oh yeah.

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Well he's my man. I I go to Boston to stay with him. What a true bunch of.

He's a maniac.

On the Ultimate Fighter four we didn't have assigned coaches and he would just work Anytime we needed him. Yeah. You know what I mean? He was great. And he would let us tackle him and f Mount him and fucking Yeah, he's great, Mark.

He's a really good coach too. Yeah. You know who who was really impressive working with him was Kevin James. You know, Kevin James, you know, you think of him as the King of Queens. He worked with Mark a lot. And Kevin's been my friend for years and I but I really hadn't seen him hit pads. I saw him hit hit pads with Delagrade. I was like, what the fuck, dude? I'm like, that's good. Like this looks good.

Mark will make you look good. Mark will make you look good.

He's a really solid coach.

Gave Longo a black eye. Longo was in he spawned one time with Longo, uh, Kevin James. Did he really? Longo was walking around like fucking Petey from the Little Razz.

He's a deceptively fast dude.

Yeah, he's athletic you know, for a big dude.

When I first met him it

Jack.

Like he was y like he wasn't as big as he got at one point in time, but he's always kinda seesawed back and forth. But he was a karate guy. He was always doing karate when he was younger.

He's super athletic.

It doesn't look as good there. I think that's when he was just getting into it, honestly. Right. But he ha he was he had Delegratte staying with him a while and Delagratte was training him.

Yeah, I saw him in Killcliff, just like blending in with the guys. Like he wasn't like standing out, he was just it killcliffe.

Just.

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He's a great guy. I've known him forever. Oh, yeah

Yeah, that's a good idea.

Plays a psycho.

And the girl in it is great.

It's

Like a little psycho.

That's a fun movie.

It's fun. I think it's the first one called Becky and he plays a villain. He plays

The other guy that did it was Joel McHale. Joel McHale played the the second psycho in one of the other movies. I forget it was either the first or the second one.

I think he's in the second one. The Wrath of Becky. He's good. He's a good movie.

Kevin played a good side.

Hey, did you ever see the the the Knight of the Seven Kingdoms?

No, I haven't seen that yet. I'm gonna watch it though because I'm in the middle of finishing the first season of Game uh the first year, the first all Game of Thrones.

What you're doing it over?

Yeah.

Oh, you've seen it already.

I haven't seen it since like 2015 or 11.

Yeah, it's...

Fucking amaz I forgot.

Dude, it's fucking awesome.

This you don't even have to watch any of the Game of Thrones'cause this takes place ninety years The first event of the Game of Thrones. Uh uh. Sir Duncan the Tall. Yep. And it is so good. It is good. So well done. And it's based on the novel. I'm a fucking nerd. I I read the graphic novel of it by uh J George R. R. Martin. Yeah, yeah. And I read it back in the day and it was it's so great. And you know how they have like trial um by combat?

Yeah.

Guy gets into it and he has to do a trial by seven. So it's seven on seven nights. Yep. And it's like one of those things. He's a hedge knight. It's it's fucking really yeah, it's good. But I like.

Great story.

Did you ever watch The House of the Dragon? Yes. It's a lot of cool shit man

But

They're a bunch of pricks.

Right.

Right. I mean, back in in Game of Thrones, Jon Snow Um Ned Stark guys do even some guys that are, you know, even just great characters and some guys that are on like the hound who's do like the antihero. But with this one, it's just a fucking good, solid dude trying to do the right thing. Yep. And uh And he and by trying to do the right thing he gets into you know, into some trouble and it's just it gives you like it's like

You know what's really funny about- Game of Thrones was like a feminist series. If you if you really think about it.

It really was.

But but without any fanfare. Like no bringing it up. No one paid attention to it. But the baddest people on that show were the women. Cersei Lannister was the baddest bitch in the world. Area Stark fucking killed everybody. All that shit. Brianna Vtar fucked everybody up, including the hounds. Yeah, I don't know.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Queen of dragons, who's the baddest motherfucker on earth? You literally can't burn her. And she's got three dragons.

Yeah.

It's a feminist shit. It is. It's a completely feminist series, but without having it Cross your mind because it's so good you don't care. It's not it's not like dumb, it's in your face.

اشتركوا في القناة House of Dragons is the same way.

Like there's some of these like Star Wars movies where it's all women generals and you like Shut the fuck up. And all the men are scared of them and they all like get out of the room. Like this is fiction. This is nonsense. Uh even though that's obviously fiction too, it's way better. A lady that has dragons, the hottest bitch around, she's got dragons. She fucks a bunch of killers. Yeah. She brings them into her bed.

Such a good job of making them

Floor.

Yeah. But you don't even realize that they are the baddest motherfuckers in the world. But they're so but they're flawed in a way where it's like it makes them human. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, look at Cersei Lannister, all of her kids gone. That bitch survives. She's got a giant demon that watches over her. Yeah. Right? Like

She's in love with her brother

She fucks her brother. Maybe when she had the well I don't spoiler alert, when she had that uh the tort the priest that tortured her while she was in the cell when they finally got her. Yeah. And she's like, I'm ready to meet my maker She's like, Oh, you're not gonna die today And then the mouth. Oh my god. That was such a horrifying scene.

The other thing to do.

Yeah.

No no one was safe on that show. You never knew the The biggest character could just get fucking murfed at like the next episode.

Page Pedro Pascal that played that

when he got killed.

Yeah. Uh first of all I never thought they would kill him. Like that guy's an important character. He's bringing all this new life to the show. Yeah. And all of a sudden you see the mountain kidding knuckles into that guy's eyeballs and stuff.

Yeah, that was so crazy.

Holy fuck, that was like one of the most disturbing murder scenes you've ever seen in your life.

And he was doing great. He was taking a shit out of me. He got too cocky. Yeah.

Yeah.

You raped her, you murdered her, you killed her children, some shit like that.

Yeah, and and was strutting around with the mountains on his back. Yeah, what a crazy show. Such a good show. One of the greatest shows of all time.

I'm telling ya, you gotta t text me after you watch the Night of the Seven Kingdoms'cause it's all out. You can play

I'm gonna do it as soon as we're done with this. We're on like season seven now.

Six episodes.

Each episode's like thirty minutes.

It's you run through.

The House of Dragons never really dragged me in. That was interesting.

I like that.

But it wasn't the same thing. Definitely not.

This I think this the new one is in my opinion better. I

Oh the surrogate. Whatever. There's parts in it that just get you going like fuck yeah.

Hell yeah, hell yeah. I'm looking forward to the I hope they lengthen it a little bit, you know what I'm saying? Six half hour episodes.

I love the relationship between the kid and the

That was the whole show. That was the whole show, right?

One thing I did love about House of Dragons when they were trying to figure out who could ride a dragon. Oh, that was cool. And they brought all those people down there to Tusco. He had to have some Targaryen blood and a lot of Targaryen fucked a lot of regular people. So they were searching for Targaryen blood, just taking people out of the pub and just push'em in front of the dragon. That was

Crazy. She first asked the uh one of the king's guard, like, you know, we tracked you back to whatever and he's like, Oh it's a great honor. No, I want to do it. Yeah, buddy. Careful what you wish for, motherfucker.

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Dude, the red the red wedding? Fucking that was a crazy

Oh shit, right? You couldn't believe it was happening. Why was happening? Like this can't

'cause we're taking everybody.

This can't be happening.

But you hate the ending as much as

I did not enjoy it. It felt to me like they had to tie it up and like da da da nice little bow. You know, I would have been almost better if it was like no country for old men style ending.

I think all sh all shows should be like that because life continues afterwards, right? So you don't have to tie.

I'm not sure.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Once it got past the book.

Yeah. Well, that guy's a genius. I mean, the the w the the world that guy created and the complexity of all the characters, like Tyrion Lannister and Tywin Lannister, and

Tyrion Ran shit.

Yeah. Yeah, man. I mean that guy was so fucking

They're already doing the the uh Swan Sword, which is the second book of uh Game of Thrones of uh the Dunkin' Egg Tail.

Oh nice. Yeah. Awesome.

That's an that's his writing too?

He did three books. It was uh a knight of the seven kingdoms, which they just did. They're gonna do A Swan Sword, and then it's the mystery. I don't know anything, but I know a lot of Game of Thrones shit. Don't ask me about it.

You're my go to.

The world's so fucked up, you're way better off with that stuff in your head.

That's why I do it, man. It's such an escape, man, just to sit home and watch.

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That's all right.

It was nice.

Speaking of Star Wars, I got a a text out of nowhere from uh

Saint Pierre he loves it as much as me. Oh yeah. It was just about the new Darthmall animated series. And then he gave me back a report. He told me, like, Oh it's so far so good.

I told you my brother my brother's like, Yeah, I know Matt's in the Star Wars. Tell him to watch the new Darth Maul. You know, Jamie says it's fun.

I d I I love George.

He's the best. I have the hardest time convincing people who he is. It's hilarious. What do you mean when people when he comes to the mothership and people that don't know anything about M and A, they're like, What does your friend do? I go, that is one of the greatest The face of the earth.

Hundred percent.

They're like, no, for real. I go, yeah, one hundred percent in everybody's list of one of the greatest of all. And he's like

Yeah, right.

It just seems so sweet and friendly.

That's the problem with MMA is that like you have to convince people about how bad somebody was and it wasn't that long ago. I mean, it wasn't that long ago that George Saint Pierre was the fucking greatest of all time. No. And now but the fans are so new that you they don't get it. They don't go back and watch it.

They had to watch like go back and watch the John Fitch fight.

Amen.

Yeah. Prime GSP. He was terrified. C incredible gas tank, great flow between grappling and striking, v y very creative.

He put that shit together to best. It's why he had such success taking everybody down. Like his he would set it up, his level change. And he always he ran through every takedown. It was never He was gonna run you across the city.

George was phenomenal and then I think Farazahabi was a big part of that too. Farazahabi's a bad motherfucker.

Yeah, yeah, he's smart.

You ever watch his YouTube breakdowns?

Sometimes, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's he's incredible. Very astute.

He g he's so knowledgeable of the game, of every aspect of it, you know.

His brother is doing well.

His brother's fighting at the White House.

Fighting Sean O'Malley and I think people are sleeping.

Well, listen, he keeps winning.

Yeah.

He keeps fucking winning. The the one fight that he had that was kind of a little controversial was Al. Remember Alright?

Yeah, for sure. I'm not sure he won that fight.

See'cause I think they're not being generous enough with the ten eights and the ten sevens.

don't do it or not.

Not enough. There's when a guy just tunes you up for like A minute and a half of the round and you almost go unconscious. You know, like that that means a lot.

I hate the fact that they don't use it enough. All because like Dana was like, Oh, I don't like And now the judges are just like now we can't do it because

No scoring system sucks because we stole it from boxing. It's not good. It doesn't have enough points. For sure. It should be like a you should get like a certain amount of points for different things. But it would be really hard to calculate. 'Cause it would be have to be subjective. Like if Pereira hits you, it's way harder than if someone's like, you know

Absolutely. As he got 10 points, why are we only using two of them? Nine and a ten. Why?

It doesn't make any sense because there's 10 9 rounds that are like, uh, could be anybody. And there's 10-9 rounds where he dominated. That's enough.

Well see like UFC BJJ uses that and it works better for that because they're very liberal with the ten eights and ten sevens. They use it a lot. They're like if it's ten if it's close, it's a ten nine. If it's one sided, it's automatically a ten eight.

Makes more sense.

That does make more sense. But even in BJJ I would say you'd need more points. You need like it's like the difference between a seventy thirty round where a guy's dominating you seventy percent of the time and a fifty one forty nine round is fucking huge.

Yeah.

And it doesn't reflect it in the scorecards at all. Yeah. So like you could win a ten-nine round the first round where it's like you're barely ahead, like maybe I'll give it to you. And then the second round, that dude fucks you up. And he gets a ten nine round'cause you didn't go down. Yeah. But he's head kicking you and you're blocking it, you're getting teeped, your legs are getting kicked all the time. It's still a ten nine round. That's some that's nuts.

I think My A D D's kicking in, but we're talking about the close calls, uh close scoring. I thought Algae I thought he should have got that nod against fucking

I thought so. I didn't think there was a...

The guy got on it.

One much question.

Universal at the end, like a minute thirty left, and Alger was winning that whole first round.

Aljo is a nightmare for a grappling attack.

He could be undefeated at one.

He's a nightmare because if your whole thing is grappling with people and you gotta grapple with Aljo, you got problems. That dude gets your back, he's got

I mean him and you're ten ten eight round like he was just on his back.

Dominated him in.

Boxing round and they don't and no how is that not a ten eight round?

He's fighting Yousef uh Salal soon. Yeah, yeah, Yousef Zalal. And that's uh on the twenty fifth of April. But I mean I but I think, you know, if it hits the ground, I think there's levels to this.

Yeah. Did Aljo over Yan in the second fight, was that like the best anybody's ever done with Yan? Oh yeah.

Yeah, straight. His control is just so good when it hits the floor. That's the difference between him and Marab. Marab can keep getting you down and up, down.

Right.

Algae hits the floor.

Yeah, you're not that normal.

And not he he just needs back exposure. He's one of those some guys they can't jump up on the back, it's not good for them, they're gonna get tired. Dude, all day long. He'll just go up there, lock that shit on, and if he doesn't get you, that's his round. Like he's

The San Hagen fight was

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Masterpiece. Masterpiece.

So good.

No, this is a back take, some of the best in the sport, period.

Nah, they're not a big fan of his. Nice guy.

No. With the neck. That was I think that was turned everybody against him.

Those people were wrong. Sacrificed.

I mean he should have validated the entire thing by whipping his ass in the second fight.

They already decided to hate it.

on it.

They already decided.

He had to get his fucking disc replaced. It was real. That was a real fucking injury.

He should be he could be un he could be a two time champ a double division champ. I mean he's uh in my mind he's undefeated at one hundred. Look what he did to Calvin Cater, which was Calvin Cater's a beast, but it was

Well listen, he's still a bad motherfucker. Like he's he's a nightmare for every Especially if he gets a hold of you. But I mean people look at the one fight loo losses. They look at the Sean O'Malley fight. Like Sean caught him perfect. That's just how it goes.

He w his head wasn't really in that'cause he didn't even want to be

Nope.

Why didn't you want to be there?

They made them.

him fight that fight. He didn't want to fight. Yeah. Yeah. They they had they like a whole documentary on it where it was like they they they kinda twisted his arm, they'd be like, You gotta do this and they were

Was he injured?

I think he was injured.

Jersey.

Quick turnaround. It was too quick a turnaround. He's the champ. He didn't feel he should be forced into You know.

But he thought the number he thought they he thought the pay per view numbers was gonna make up for it. He thought he was gonna get all this money from it'cause he was like, All right, I'll do it. Sean O'Malley's gonna bring in the numbers, then he said When it was over, he saw the numbers, he was like, If I knew the numbers was gonna be like this, I don't think I'd have did it.

Really? Yeah. So it didn't do well.

It didn't do as well as he thought he was gonna do based on Sean O'Malley's presence.

Listen, man, it it takes a lot to get people to pay for something today. There's too much other ways to

Seal it.

This paramount thing is genius in that. Yeah. Is that all you have to do is have that app which a lot of people have already.

Yeah.

That's genius. But to make people pay every time to to watch fights, like there's so much to watch today. Well

That well, that was w the one thing that my people at ESPN told me. They was like it's a big difference between being popular and then having people pay to watch you fight. Yeah. Like you can be popular, but ain't nobody paying you to paying you to fight. So it's a big difference.

Giant difference.

I like that it's on Paramount as a fan though.

Yeah, save save you a ton of money. Uh I I pay I used to pay for every one of them.

This Netflix thing is nice too. It's good to see that there's like someone who's willing to throw a lot of money at MMA in another large arena, you know, like Netflix. What do you mean?

What are you doing? Jeta versus Rhonda. I I think round one submission, Rhonda Yeah. Unless she wants to try to just stand up with her, which I doubt. I hope not.

I don't know what Gene has been doing. You know, I don't know how long she went without MMA training at all.

She was recently a little heavy. I could say that. Does she look great now? Does she look great now?

Look, she got in great shape.

She got in great shape.

Still like forty three years old.

Come on. No, but the the question is like what was she doing in those uh was she still training some? That would be my real question. Because if you just put it all down and you walk away for 17 years, I'll gotta go.

I mean but with the with the weight loss uh with the weight gain that she had, there was no way she was training

That's a good idea.

Uh like she's back in shape and she obviously w is boxing her ass to do that, but how long, like you're saying, was she down?

She has to develop a a a a grappling defense to one of the best female grapplers ever. No, Rhonda's legit Jump guard on her and I still sweep her. She would pull guard and sweeper. Or armlocker. Her arm locks are amazing.

Yeah.

Preposterous

Door check or arm bars or something.

Cats and gana fight?

And cat three.

That was the craziest thing ever.

An arm bar like instantaneously super.

Good strategy that was.

Yeah, she blanked out.

So crazy. No that was such a sick transition too. No.

But I saw the video of Gina hitting pads with John Wood, that was kinda recent. It did not look good.

How recent was it?

I don't know. I don't know. But it didn't look good. I was just like I hope this is older.

She's a big girl. Maybe she can stop her from taking her down or something.

But also it it's also what were they doing? Were they just working on slow motion shit? Were they just trying to get a movement or were they getting in a hard mit workout? You know what I mean?

way, like just like mechanically, it didn't look great. Mechanically. So I mean but it could have been it's like one of them things where like this could be like her her comeback session and she's just trying to get warmed up. But who knows? I mean, you know, who knows? Maybe she's who knows? You just never know. I hope it's better than that. Round one submission.

I mean probably probably right.

I mean, come on.

I bet you know, if you had poly market you could make some money on that.

Just let them.

There's gonna be a lot of bets on that. It's uh it's uh it's exciting though that that Netflix is doing it. That's what I like. I like that there's another place people can go. It's it'll raise

But how sustainable is this though?

Yeah.

Whoever's putting the money up for this is gonna lose their ass, I think. You think they're gonna make that money back?

Right. But here's the thing, it's Netflix. Right? So Netflix has an insane amount of money and they keep raking it in. Like every month people are paying whatever they're paying. It's as high as like what, nineteen bucks for ad free? What is it? How much is a net? I think it just went up, right? Yeah, they've gone up. Money is just coming in every month. They just got to give people exciting things to want to watch, and they'll keep making more money. Right. Because more people use Netflix.

Right.

So who's on the card now? It's like Felipe Linz versus Ingano. Right.

Yeah. Mike Perry versus Nate Diaz.

Right.

Oh and Robles to Spain.

Spanier and Junior Dos Santos.

That one is like ooh.

Who's it? Robellas Dispany.

Karate combat dude.

He's a Taekwondo black belt from Cuba.

Chris Jr.? Yeah. How old's Junior?

He's fifty now.

Is he fifteen? He's close. But he's in good shape. I actually did a we spoke at a high school a couple of months ago

Well, I'm glad to hear that. I mean at least these guys get an outlet to make some extra money.

Who doesn't parry? Adriano Moraes is a d you know, that's a Well guy that's probably gonna school them, but I mean it's they got some they're giving guys some opportunity, so you gotta like this.

Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. It'll be a big show. A lot of people will tune in. Diaz and Perry's going to be fucking bananas. That'll be really fun to watch.

Yeah that's I mean that'll be worth the price of it. Imagine if that was ten years ago that fight wouldn't be worth it.

It's like the if the G L L L A went to fucking it came came true. GFL? Remember that grandpa?

But they just stole all their talent.

Bro, Diaz versus Perry, guaranteed dog fight. That will not be a boring thing.

I think the jujitsu's gonna be too much. I kinda think that too. I kinda think Nate might just drag'em deeper, right?

Oh, it's five rounds.

That's crazy. Five rounds is crazy. I wonder why they agreed on that.

Interesting.

Yeah.

I didn't realize.

Is the gene of fight five rounds or is it three rounds?

Five by five for everything.

No it's changed a bit.

So it says bye bye.

This one says for

Yeah, just for those.

No, no.

and it also says this is a man of

I can't imagine. Five right.

It actually does. There it does. It says it real it's hard to see it.

Yeah, five by five professional em Yeah. Okay. Bro, Lorenz Larkin back in the day. I remember he fought Neil Magney, he was hitting him with oblique kicks to the chest. And I was like, I do not think I've ever seen anybody throw it that way. You ever see that fight?

No. I don't remember that fight.

Tune Neil Magney up. Lorenz Larkin was a bad motherfucker.

I do remember that.

He was so Elite. Yeah. And he would he when he fought Neil Magney, he you know, Neil Magney's a tough fucking dude, man.

Horrible God.

Durable, incredible discipline and endurance. Like that dude's never out of shape. And he was just getting too look at this. Oof. Ooh. I mean he's throwing an oblique kick to the rib. That one there he just hit his arm and knocked him down with it. But earlier before that he caught him on the rib cage.

SPATA!

Look at that. Bro, that's crazy. That's the second look at it. Kick that nobody throws like that. That's a crazy position to put your hips in.

That is crazy.

Well he's he was s sharp.

How did this one end?

Shit. Yeah, Lorenz was all over, man. It was a pr m like one of the prime performances that I've seen.

Yeah, he had a good little run.

A great run. When in during that run, and this was like he came from Bellator, right? Yeah. Yeah. And when he came over from Bellator, it's like he was still like red hot. Like red hot.

No, something yeah. Two guys that were in Bellother, which is uh Pitbull and Aaron Pico.

Okay.

They're getting ready to fight in this weekend. How much time do you think a guy like Pico is supposed to take off after Lerone?

We we were just talking about that.'Cause I love his offense, man. He's a little raging bull.

Animal. He just got caught. And he got caught perfect. And he was just perfect. That spinning elbow.

got stopped more did he get stopped more than once with a bad knockout like that? Yeah.

Yeah.

You don't want to go through your co-

The kid from uh Killclip. Adam Burk.

Yeah.

Yeah, he got him with a phone.

With a flying knee, yeah. Yeah. Oh damn dude. You don't want too many of those.

That's right.

But those put him out, man. Like you just see him just go boop. Yeah. That Macy Barbara one the other day is.

One of the greatest finishes in women's MMA history.

Oh, no doubt. I wanted to reach out to Macy because I felt so bad. I wanted to reach out to the doctor and say what the fuck are you?

So crazy.

Yeah. He's like, I'm like, get some smell I'm like, somebody the cameraman, please get off this or somebody talk to the doctor, because I don't know what the fuck he was just over, like, man, this is fucked up.

think he knew exactly what was going on. He probably has no experience in combat sports, right? He didn't realize that she got knocked out and while she was out cold she got strength.

She transitioned so fast.

Like she's out there, she's out cold already, and then she gets strangled. Like that's never happened before.

What's crazy is she was kind of still reacting and then when they put her on her back she just it was

Well, no, she went limp as she was trying to sit up. She went limp, you see right there. Like she was trying to get up and then as the guy has his arm around her.

Dude. See, there's like there's uh C level Kane and then there's Southpaw Alexa. When she fights Southpaw, man, she is dangerous. Then there's confused doctor. She got him. Never seen this before. Hey. Crazy. Look at him.

She's just kinda coming too.

Yeah, she's blank.

Holy

Shit.

Yeah. Choked amazing. One shot while she was out still, cracked her again, got her back and choked her all like a lightning bolt. That was super.

That's the same combination she hit Valentina with when she finished her. I feel like it's in five minutes with us sitting there. Left hand, boom, took her back. Took her a wild it took her longer, but look at this. Dream.

So she's in trouble. Bam right there. Al cold and then strangled. I don't think that combination of out cold and then strangled has ever happened before. No. Because I mean she's seen watch this punch here, that's out cold, right? And then boom.

Sick.

No, that's crazy.

Crazy.

She's tough, man.

Oh man.

Well here so here's the thing. She gets up and when she gets up I think she faints. Like I think she tries to get up just swam again. He Mike puts his arm around her and she's out. Oh I think she fainted.

Yeah. She had to pull out of that fight with uh Aaron Blanchfield.

Yeah.

So they all they still allow her to fight even though she's had seizures? That's pretty crazy.

It depends on what's causing the seizures, right? If they know it's a medication that she was on, they get her off the medication. Like there's I don't know what causes seizures.

That's just not gonna help this easier.

But it it certainly wouldn't make me enthusiastic about fighting. It would have to fuck with your motivation if you're already having seizures.

I wouldn't want to do it.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Anytime you fight, that's a possibility. Yep. Any I mean look at a guy who never once looked a took anything remotely like that, like um a Kamara Uzman and even in a fight where he's just doing so great and then that's the closest thing I seen to that was when he got stopped with that head kick. And you know, a that's a possibility any time you make that war. That's why you got that fucking little feeling in your throat, you know, before you walk out there.

The Camaro one was nuts too because John Anik was just saying'cause D C was like a lot of people would quit in this situation, and John Anik said something along the lines of but that is not the cloth from which

No, and then as soon as I mean that was like the most perfect timing ever.

Ever. Like a movie. Like do it if you saw that in a movie like shut up.

'Cause I just I just came in and and was like, yeah, I think he's broke and then DC was saying it and then John yeah intervened with he's not cut from that cloth and boom.

It was nuts.

Russell Crowe's doing a new MMA movie. Is that supposed to be the UFC?

No, I think.

One F C yeah, one F C.

Yeah, interesting.

Yeah.

Yeah, but I mean like the who's the fighter's like my age. I'm like What's going on here?

Like Randy Couture won the title in his forties, you know?

Yeah, man.

One has some wild striking fights, man. Some of the absolute best stand up fights in the world are happening on one. I watch it all the time.

I never know when that shit's on.

Here's this fucking cat out of Dagestan. Do you guys know who I'm talking about? Asudullah Imanghazaliev? Bro. This dude is uh I think he's a hundred and thirty five pounds, I think that's what he fights at, and he's like six foot one and just a laser beam striker. I've just fucks people up, like literally might be the best striker in the world.

Is it just kickboxing?

Yeah, and he's getting in there with Muay Thai. He's getting in there with world Muay Thai champions and KO. Like three time world Lumpini Muay Thai champions. Damn. Lumpini Stadium guys. This guy is a fucking straight killer, dude. And he's from Dagestan and he can wrestle. Damn. You gotta let's see if you can find like a highlight reel of his KOs. Cause this is just like get on YouTube. I watch this cat every time he fights. I just can't w he's so fucking accurate and he's so slick.

How old is he?

Yeah.

Oh.

Yeah, man, I'm telling you, this twenty-two year old cat from Dagestan might be the best striker on earth right now. This dude is so impressive. And I'm telling you, he's doing this to dudes who are world champions. He's taking out world champion kickboxers, world champion muay fighters. They're putting him in there with these fucking assassins since he he's making'em all go night night.

Oh

But you gotta see it in real speed, like s like you you see his real movements. It's so impressive. I don't know where he's trained in Adaf, but he's from Dagestan. Yes. Like a like a little bit more robust Zab. But it's like it's different. Like Zabid had more of a you know, he had an incredible style, but it was almost like more taekwondo ish. This guy's pure Muay Thai, but he just fucks people up, man.

It keeps the pressure. He keeps the pressure on too.

Just flatline it. One after another flatlining people. And again, very impressive against World Championship Caliber Muay Thai fighter.

They should do that, they do BJJ now.

A hundred percent. They're missing out on a giant opportunity because how many people boo when a fight goes to the ground? Boo.

Th these guys never go to the ground. Right.

It's just all

And cake boxing is so much more brutal than e than boxing.

Way more brutal.

Yeah.

It just didn't get a fair shake in America. It's not that it's not exciting. It's the most exciting aspect of the UFC, other than a great submission like Alexa Grosso after a knockout. That's like the most exciting

Yeah.

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I could people bitch about Komzat. I could watch him do that to Dracus all day long. I don't give a shit. That's masterful. Get him off you. People are like, Oh, that's a shame and he doesn't take chances. Dude, get he's he's not like he's not trying to beat the shit out of'em. He's getting'em tied up and he's beating him up and he's just he's working him over. I mean, what do you want him to stand up in the in the crucifix? Yeah. What are you talking about?

Yeah, one hundred percent. And I don't I don't believe in stand ups at all, Pierre. I think the only time you should stand up is someone fouled. If someone does a foul and then you have to stand it up, take a point away from'em, maybe then you stand'em up.

Yeah. Like you can't you shouldn't reward a guy for having like shit defense.

If the dude on the bottom is the one that failed, put'em back where they were. Don't reward right.

Right now.

Right, right, right. Yeah, definitely. But other than that, why are you letting people stand up? Why? Guy had to work so hard to get him to the ground. Maybe he's taking a break for a couple seconds to catch his breath. Yeah. You know, like what the fuck do you want? Yeah. Like the

Figure it out.

Yeah.

Bottom people just have to be better.

Also you know.

Absolutely.

And then it's like Wrestlers then wrestlers become super fun

Man, Mark Coleman won the Grand Prix with that shit. Didn't you see the smashing machine?

Yeah, bro.

Did you like the smashing machine? It was good. I enjoyed it too.

Rock was amazing. I thought like his acting like like you didn't think it was the rock. You know?

I haven't seen it yet.

He thought it was Mark Kerr. Like he even got a forehead thing. Yeah. Like he got like rubber put on his forehead or whatever the fuck. Yeah, make them more Neanderthal.

The little chromatic.

Giving a little Frankenstein for it. It was almost scene by scene. It was almost like the same pretty much the same exact thing as the documentary.

It was really good.

The documentary, it's it take it's like the same shots, the same story. So if you seen the documentary, which was

Yeah, saying that.

was a great guest. I had him in the podcast. He was fun. It was real he was a really cool guest, you know. Yeah, he was really fun. And just like real intelligent, like easy to talk to.

Like where does he live now?

See like is it Arizona?

Bro, I saw him in early UFCs when I was a backstage interviewer. He submitted Dan Bobish with his chin to his

Bye.

I remember that, you know.

That was crazy. Well, yeah.

The UFC scene when it with the old Ranger stut needed a face.

Yeah, that kind of thing.

Remember Rip Rules as well. We were about to find

Morty Heinstein or something like that, the karate.

That's the horse.

I don't know man. My favorite Mark Kerr fight was against Fabio Jorgel down in Brazil.

That's right.

Yeah.

Yeah, man, that's my

I look I I was a big Fabio fan and like I mean if you can't have respect for that guy after that beating he took and he never never never fucking thought about quitting.

Yeah.

Yeah, headbats and everything.

Yeah, right. Let me pull you guys aside. Explain physics. And now I need to introduce you to steroids. That was a combined physics and steroids and like

No, you're

Not fighting Mark Kerr.

If you look at the time that's when Jiu Jitsu still had that mystique about

That's true

Yeah.

But that kinda kill but like that's when it like the beginning of the end of like the guard started for MMA. It was like that. Because like those big wrestlers were just like, Oh, you mean all I gotta do is block his hips?

Right.

There was do you remember when Mario Sperry fought Igor Zenovio? Yeah, yeah. So Mario Sperry was like one of the first jujitsu black belts to lose in MMA. That's right, yes. We all thought jujitsu black belts were invincible. Right. Like and Mario Sperry was elite. He was a really

Right.

Yeah. And so he fought Zanoviev and Zanoviev stopped him.

Remember that. Yeah. And Mario was doing everything right, mounting him correctly, doing but then he would just do one of those weird, like super big bridges and get and then his because he had endurance and he was able to just withstand his attack he He ended up cutting him or something towards the end. Yeah.

Yeah, it was a big cut. They stopped it from a cut, right?

Speaking of old school guys, guess who was at the UFC last week? Marillo Bustamanch. Yes, he was he was quartering.

Somebody tapped twice in the world title defense.

We don't have

Twice.

Yeah. He also fought forty five bit he fought Tom Erickson. Tom Ericsson for forty five.

All right.

Oh yeah.

I thought Morillo beat uh Chuck Liddell too. Honestly in that.

he might have yeah

He was a bad motherfucker. It was really good boxing and insane jujitsu. But really good boxing. One of the first guys from like that Carlson Gracie team along with good.

Wrestler too. Like he had good takedowns, you know, for a jiu jitsu guy too.

But like that's my point. So he's at the UFC just cornering Jose Delano and like no one knows who he is. I need to give a lesson on this guy. Like he's one of my favorite fighters of all time, but no one knows who he is.

That's crazy. But you know, there's so many people now, it's like time just goes on.

What a bunch of killers Carlson had back in the day.

What a His school in ninety six when all that was going down, when right before Vitor got into

Area laborio. Carlo Barreto.

Yeah, Carlos trained there. Sergio Cohen. He had a bunch of beasts, man, and they w we'd watch'em all train together. Mario Spa Mario Sperry was telling us a story about uh how he when he was just starting out in jiu jitsu. He uh made his girlfriend sit there and he just put her in triangle after triangle after triangle like she can't

It was just.

Watching T V just practicing triangles on his girlfriend.

Ha ha. We were lucky to we were talking last night about how fortunate we were to come up when we did, you know, and like even back at at Henzo's

Except. Yeah. Pretty wild. I had some tap out charts. Everybody did. Right. Those guys were fun.

Yeah, definitely.

It was a weird time. That time of MMA, if you go back to like like even when like you and I first met, it was like, when yeah, what year was that?

Two thousand one we

Crazy.

Because you weren't a commentator yet, but but I fought Kelly Delante and you gave me a nice shout out.

I'm like,

We need more of that jungle jujitsu like Matt Sarin. Like, oh they showed that up. Yeah, that's funny. Yeah, that that was that was t two thousand and one. Because I mailed you a shirt. Yeah, thank you. And then you called the academy and I'm like, oh, what's up? That was funny, man. Nice. It was crazy. But jujitsu was so Physical then. Like it was a physical thing. Now it's so intellectual and like these nerds think they own it.

A Autistic kids got old.

Yeah, and now they think and now they think they own it. And it's like, yo, what what are you talking?

They start talking about technique. It's like they're talking chess movies.

Yeah. If you don't know the names and then it's like you don't know that? It's like, dude, I know that's I like I ha what what's the um what when you're going for the uh they k what they call it the K guard? I'm like shit man, I've been doing that since the nineties, man. Right.

Here's what fucks my head up. If you gun to my head said to me, Who do you think has the best jujitsu in MMA right now? My head would go

I was getting ready. That would be my first.

On the ground. So how can I say that? Right? So it fucks my head up because I'm like if you think about like a r elite expressions of jujitsu on the ground, like one of the most dangerous guys off his back, Oliveira. Olivea's so dangerous everywhere. If he gets on top of you you're fucked I mean, it was just that Max Holloway's defense is so tight and he's so tough that he didn't get finished. Right.

For sure.

DUDES WOULD HAVE BEEN OUT FOR SHO-

How crazy it was that he was able to just manhandle him and take him down. I mean Max n nobody took Max down like that.

handled him. It was bananas. But I think Max is a guy that is like he can fight at forty five. I think it was really hard when he went up to fifty five and then went down to forty five. But at forty five in his prime perfect weight class form. When Olivera was fighting at forty five, he was killing himself. Like he fought like sh he just was fatigued easier. But then when he went up to fifty five, then he became Charles Oliveira. You know? It was really all at fifty five where he made his mark.

He tried that shit though with Ilya. He did try to take him down and he tried to get it.

Oh yeah.

Is there a lot of

He's on another level.

Super well rounded and people haven't really even seen that yet.

He's uh on a level where I can't wait for his next fights. Like when when he's fighting, I'm like, what is he gonna do now? Yeah. Like how what is'cause I think I think he's getting better. I think it's not ju I think the dude is like their approach to it, there's a documentary on YouTube about what they're they're like talking about how they break down all their fight camps and what they're doing and the different stuff that y they train in. Like these dudes are on another level.

I mean when you think about like if a fight between like Ilya and Islam were to happen, like think about like the magnitude of that of like Not only just like star power, but just in terms of skill. Oh my god. Like breaking that down. Like in terms of skill. Oh my god. Like two of the best skilled fighters of all

Like Iliot once.

Yeah, for sure. Fifty five would be better.

Because i Islam at one seventy is probably walking around a buck ninety six.

Yeah for sure.

Yeah. Fucking jack.

Think uh Armin should be spoken about too. Hundred percent. Yeah, and look at how he fought he had a a pretty good fight with uh Islam back when he how many years ago when he was like twenty-one. I mean he was I mean scrambled

Although I do have to say, if uh the scoring was correct, I think I think Olivea would have beat him in that fight. Because Oliveira threatened him with submissions. A couple times. A couple of times. Like that to me is more valuable than just holding a guy down.

Did Armand threaten he had an arm choke with him or the no. I thought on the run. But he was kinda on the run more often than we remember.

Armin was?

Yeah. In terms of like inside the guard of Olivera. Yeah. Like he was kinda you know, he was on the run.

It's dangerous in there, man. It's not like everybody else's. Like there's only a few guys like him and you know, Paul Craig. Bro, Paul Craig could latch on a fucking triangle like that guy's beaten world champions. Yeah. You think about it, he beat you all, broke his own round. Mm Uncalaya stopped him with like one second to go in the third round with a triangle. Yeah. He might have one of the best tri what was that one dude from back in the day that won all his fights by triangle?

Yeah, um I know exactly who you're talking about.

Like was all triangles, like eleven triangles in a row. He had this one move. And if he can get you to the ground, and

latches

Legs around you, you were Fucksville. Pulse ass. Let's go and Paul. Shout out to Paul Sapp. Yeah, he was a beast. You get you in that triangle, you're fucked. And the for Borisio Redum's another one, right?

Yeah.

Yeah. I mean he was that he triangled Fedor when Fedor was Fedor.

I always tell people if you want to look at the one of all time greats and heavyweight, don't look at all losses and shit. Stop right here in the prime. Who has tapped out more legends than Fabricio Verdoom? Minotaur, Fedor. I mean, that is crazy. Just those two came Velasquez?

That's true.

He's tapped out all the legends. And they weren't past the prime either. Fedor was s securely in his

Hundred percent.

I remember watching that live thinking, Oh my god.

Oh my god.

He ran right into it. He ran right into it.

Jump into it.

Brilliant.

Yeah, if Fedor had no respect for the guard, just you know, was trying to take his head off and just fed it to him. Yeah, man. You can't do that with a guard.

Not a guy like that. That's a different level.

And plus he hit Kobe in the head with a boomerang. Remember that? There's nothing wrong with that. Give him some points for that as well. That was my favorite video of all time. Because he hit him with the boomerang and then the bag, and then Kobe was reaching out for the bag. Yeah. You gotta give him some points for that.

Out of all the people that I thought I was definitely going to see on the White House lawn, it was going to be a Kobe. I was like, how is he how would did you not have a Kobe Covington fight at the White House?

I don't know.

He's like super supportive of Trump, wears Trump hats everywhere. Right.

And he's not a fight.

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Oh, Nickel wanted to fight'em.

Yeah, but that's a different way of it. Bo Nichols a big dude. He's at eighty five. He's a eighty fiver. Yeah. That's a you know, Kobe's not a big seventy. It's a great size for Sobey. Yeah.

No.

Yeah, that's gonna be interesting.

Yeah, I think Chris a little big for him.

Yeah, I think that should go well for why.

Who was Joaquin fighting?

Brady. Sean Brady.

Is that in Miami?

No, that's in uh in Jersey, isn't it?

That's right.

I'll be out in Philly next week with Brady. Shout out.

Joaquim is on a tear until Camaro got a hold of him.

That's shout out to Brady.

That's it.

One of his shirts.

Of the two guys that are like most worthy for a shot at the welterweight title, I mean, you you gotta think Ian Gary, but you also gotta think Camaro because he doesn't have much time left and he's alleged. Right. One of the greatest welterweights of all time. And then he just beats Joaquin Buckley like that. Like Joaquin Buckley. The fucking monster.

Buckley was on the fast rise to command.

That Wonder Boy.

And he beat the shit out of Kobe. Yeah, bro.

Bro, beat the shit out of him. But Joaquin doesn't get tired either, which is crazy. Like you look at his physique, yeah, you think he gets tired of cast out. He just his he keeps that gas going for three fucking rounds. Full clip. Yeah.

Believe me, I know I've been watching'em right. Been watching'em for months months now. No, Sean Brady, I think, uh

Old turtle shell.

Yeah, yeah. And he's he's staying at that weight, right? Yeah, he's not going down.

Yeah.

What about Olberg and uh Jeary this weekend?

You know what, man? Oh if you're if you're looking at it on paper, if you like if you just watch their movements, Olberg is really fast. He's really accurate. Um and he's slick and he's a big tall motherfucker with great skills. Yuri creates chaos. And in that chaos you don't know exactly how someone's gonna respond when the guy's still there when you crack him and he's all over you and he's doing wild shit. He's got a fucking ponytail at the top of his head. He's a maniac. But he's not faking.

Oh no, he believes everything he says.

That dude that's how that dude really lives. Like he really does hit trees in the woods. He goes out there with a machiwara. He does all the hard style Japanese shit and d you know, he spends time in the woods by himself alone.

He does uh he swims under the ice. He does

Yeah, I saw that I actually saw a video.

Fuck that, dude. Yeah, I mean you have to find where the hole is and you gotta come back.

We had some people in there too, just in case he isn't that crazy.

Listen, man, just look at that dude. His ancestors came over on a boat. And they had fucking swords. And they hopped off and started slicing.

All them guys.

That dude is a motherfucking Viking. Whatever he is, that war those warrior jeans, like that's in that. That dude takes you to hell. He takes he just can't do it without it.

Gotcha.

Right.

That style just doesn't work with Pereira.

But I'm wondering does he walk into one here?'Cause he's gonna get hit. Khalil beat the living shit out of him for two rounds and then

Ober. Hoberg's a big guy too. Khalil's not a big, you know if you look if you look at him in comparison to some of the other guys in that weight class.

He could make eighty five.

Here's a little bit of a little bit of a little bit

Listen, I'm leaning Palo's Paulo's way, I swear it.

Yeah.

Uh but Mercy Connor man. Undefeated.

Let me tell you something.

37 and fought nobody. I'm riding.

That is true. He put Rakish to sleep though. Dude, he's slick. I he does shit in there. I'm like you know, he calls himself the professional. And that's like he seems like a hitman, like some Russian hitman the higher that comes to fucking killing.

He believes in his power, that's a fact.

It's not just his power, man, it's his skills. When I look at him I'm like, this is a smart guy. Like he moves like a smart guy. Everything's calculated, everything's technical, he's really hard to hit clean. He's a he's a slick character and he does shit too, like he overreaches, but he overreaches I think on purpose to get reads off you. If he senses the guy's moving away, he'll he'll come in with big shots that he doesn't intend.

Yeah, Palo's got a chin. Look at that.

Watch that again. Look how slick this is.

BOOM!

He's a killer man.

We don't know what Paulo Costa's gonna look like at two oh five though. He's never fought it.

Well didn't we once we didn't make wait for eighty five against Marvin Vatory? Yeah.

Yeah. He forced Marvin Vittoria. He was like, nah, this fight is at 205 now.

Remember that?

He definitely did. I mean he but he looked the best he's looked his last fight. Like he Kopilov he just ran through him.

Dude, you go back to when he was when he was walking people down, like walk down Yoo Romero, Paulo Costa. He was a berserk.

Remember when he saluted Paul uh you well remember in the middle of the fight, that was my favorite part.

Yeah.

That was a great vibe.

It was a good

That was a great fight. But nobody walks down Ubow Romero like that.

Yeah.

There's that photo, that one photo of him head kicking Yoel, and Yoel's face is like all distorted. And you're like, how did he take that shot? Neck. You know his neck is fused.

That's what I'm saying, yeah. Does it move?

It's connected to his skull.

That's crazy.

Yeah. Look at that. Look at that photo. That photo's bonker. Imagine how tough you gotta be to y be Yoel Romero and Take that to the head when you know your neck has been through an insane operation where you have metal connecting the fucking spine of your neck to your head.

Sorry, they implanted monster traps to hold it down.

Yeah, they were like.

Wow.

Yeah, yeah.

And you see he just fought.

Specimen.

Yeah.

Forty nine? Yeah. And a lot of people disputed the decision. They thought he should have won. Yeah. In Russia. Over Maryland.

I don't know how he does it.

He looks great.

Yeah, I don't know how he does.

He's R A did RAF as well.

Who would he be, Pat Downing?

And then he came back and then he's not a good thing. Yeah.

Yeah, but he was wrestled a legit deal.

Yeah.

Dude, the guy that I'm most impressed with in that is Arnold. Oh I can't believe how good he's. Yeah. Who's the duty tech vault?

Giorgio.

The the uh a lance

That's not a good thing.

Yeah.

Lance Palmer is a legit wrestler.

Lance was like, oh, he's never wrestled at my level. He's never wrestled guys at my level. Armin goes up there and tech for.

Awesome, bro. Georgia R.D.

Yeah.

But even Giorgio, like you watch those videos that he does where it does like

Yeah, a thousand or whatever.

Yeah. Uh Armin is a fucking bad man, dude. He's a bad man. If you wanted to fight for Ilya at fifty five, that's a very interesting fight.

Hundred percent.

Very interesting.

So

'Cause he's hard to hit. He's very slick and technical, super flexible. Like you ever seen those weird like mobility exercises he does with twists and shit with

I know, yeah.

It's crazy flexibility.

Yeah, he's definitely in his prime man. He can't waste his life away right. Do the right thing because you are in your prime right now and it doesn't last forever.

He prayed.

He'd already he might already be champ if he could keep it together outside of the cage, you know what I mean?

Like if the who knows what would have happened in the Olivera fight it was a proper fight, a five round.

He's staying busy though. He's staying real smart. He put Molkayev to sleep a couple of weeks ago, yeah. Oh that was a little too much.

Yeah.

Yeah.

One twenty five or two.

But like he kept it I whenever they keep it on when the guy's already sleeping for too long, it's like, yeah, what are you what's going on here? You know he's you gotta know he's out.

Maybe some unkind words were exchanged.

Kind of my fault process.

That doesn't like it.

Sure, that happened.

And Mokev is a hothead.

Yeah.

They get kicked out of the UFC for it? What happened with him?

I heard he was just m like mean to people like mean to the staff. That's what I heard he was just like mean to the staff.

Oh we're talking about a no, no, no.

I'm talking about him doing it too, like it just putting a a somebody to sleep but his friends the guys with his other

I don't think I saw that.

It was it was him on a couch and he put the guy to sleep. It's just a regular Joe.

Armin did this?

Yeah, man. Jamie? No, no, no. Sorry, Jamie. But uh yo, yo, he put him to sleep and he held that shit on for an extra how too many seconds. Look at this. Watch this. No, no, I'm telling you. Do you tell me if you think it's too long?

No

Now ready? Let's see. Now he's out, right? He lasted a long time.

What the fuck is that?

Alright.

Oh that's really crazy.

You are you are a killer.

That's really crazy.

Yeah, I was...

That's what I'm saying, man.

Fuck.

Yeah, that's I that's a lot worse than I thought it was gonna be.

Sorry guys, I hate to bring the room down, but I'm gonna do this.

That's the crazy thing is Armin knows he was out, right?

Right away.

Also that guy's neck looks like it's never been choked. I felt sad for what he was gonna do to it when I saw his neck. His neck is making me feel sad because I know that's gonna hurt. That fucking gorilla, that dude's got a clamp on him, man.

Fuck is having soup for a week after that.

Yeah, right.

That's a problem.

Herman's fucking grip is so incredible, man. I'm just very impressed with him, man. Very impressed with his grappling. I just wish he could keep it together.

I mean I mean his striking's not bad neither. Like he's okay.

His first fight with Islam was very close. Very close. First fight in the UFC. I don't even think he got a full camp.

Probably not.

I don't I think it was short notice, right? And he fought very well. You know, he's he's at the it's just like crazy that fuck ups have kept him from being at the time. And the w the missing the title fight was the big one. Yeah. That was the craziest one. Like his back hurt.

The day before like come on.

Crazy. Yeah. And you make a not to Mocano go out there and you know, not and not having prepared for him, right?

Yeah. Bye.

I like when he gets on that mic too, he starts talking shit.

He said I wish he would have started talking shit even earlier. Like I always liked the guy, but he's fucking hilarious.

He's the best in the business right now.

It's funny, man.

Yeah.

It might be.

Yeah.

It's steroid.

Their podcast he's good you know, he's good on there with him and uh think Gilbert, you know, they all fuck him.

Well that was the thing, he's he's doing some streams on in he's doing'em in English and in Portuguese, but the Portuguese is doing better for him. Okay. And He's like, I'm making money off YouTube now. Like, so I don't care anymore. Basically. I I'm I have my money. Like I have a a big stream of revenue coming in from YouTube. He's a character.

You need that.

Fuck yeah, he's good too, remember? Like his his fight with uh Benoit Saint Denis.

Oh yeah.

Sandonis on his way to potentially.

Sure.

Future. Real good, real good. You can't judge him on that short notice shit. I know.

What do you guys think of uh hooking?

He's so fun. I think it's fun.

Talking shit.

It's not it's not witty. It's not like it ain't funny, it ain't witty. It looks like he's trying too hard.

Exactly. I love it. He's like a pro wrestler. It's like pro wrestling Bro, you talk to that guy, he's a smart dude. He knows what he's doing. He's being a goof. And what here's the thing about people that act really goofy and stupid, you kind of you go, Fu okay. Like you they can trick They can trick you.

You think he's gonna beat Curtis?

I don't know man. Curtis is a lot.

This early in his career.

Curtis has a lot of power. He's a big fucking He's got a lot of MMA experience. But Hoket's a hard dude to solve. He's a really good wrestler and he's fucking hyper aggressive and he's got his Uh he's fat.

Is that athletic?

He's he's a one of the guys that I have my eye on. Maybe. Really, we're just waiting for Gable. Yeah. We're right.

He's getting r Romanov, I think, is wrestling him and

What are you crazy? Why are you doing this? You're gonna be the heavyweight champion of the UFC.

And Romanov's a big dude, man.

Yeah. I mean, look, I think Gibb would I think he'll be fine, but when you think of guys that are like a Mike Tyson in MMA, like when Mike Tyson was coming up, that's what I when I think of when I see him. Yeah. I'm like, how do you deal with that? Right. How the fuck do you deal with that? He moves like a cat. He's two hundred and forty pounds. Olympic gold medalist. And he can He's got John Jones as a mentor. Are you fucking crazy?

Fight IQ. John's you know, he's one of the smartest guys.

Yeah, you got that guy in your corner and everybody saying I mean he's one of the only guys that isn't even in the UFC yet that I had him on my podcast. I was like, I gotta

I mean he's accomplished I think enough anyway. He's already a fucking Olympic gold medalist, N CAA champion. Gotta be mid twenties.

Oh well he's young. He's young. And he they're doing it smart. You know, they gave him um one of those uh what do they call it? Dirty boxing? Dirty boxing fight. The rope like it was

It was pretty sick. He's such an athlete.

Yeah.

Dude, they have to. When he w he won the NCAA championships, like he can do like round offs and like the shit like literally boom boom boom like a gymnast. It's fucking crazy.

And I guarantee you that attribute that's we attribute to the speed that he has and covering distance. He's dangerous, man. Watch this. Watch when he goes over this rope. This is crazy. I was like, damn!

BJ pinch up and out of the pool right there.

That is crazy.

But he doesn't It started.

Effortlessly. He's a monster dude. Real hard problem for people. Yeah, and named after Dan G.

After Dan gave it to him.

So he's been wrestling since he's a tall. And he's just such a fucking athlete and so smart. Just d dedicated. D they're doing it smart too. They're not just jumping him into the UFC right away. He's getting famous outside the UFC.

That's the way you do it.

For sure.

Yeah, you try to bring them along as much as you can.

Yeah, fuck your ten and ten. Come on, son.

When they sign him, they're going to give him more than that.

But the thing is you don't

He ain't good.

Some people are of the opinion that you don't want to give a young fighter too much money early because it'll ruin their motivation.

I mean there's truth in that. But I mean it's not who's that for you to say though. You know what I'm saying? Like I want my money. Exactly. Yeah, you don't get to determine that.

But guess what? I think the cream will still rise to the top. I think the guys that are dedicated that have a lot like Floyd Mayweather when he was worth hundreds of millions of dollars would still never drink and run home from the club. From the club. So people driving his role.

So crazy.

Yeah.

I mean look at look at Armin, man. That guy's got money. He didn't give a shit. Yeah, he's just

At least he's always on a private jet. Seems like he knows it.

Yeah, I think he's got some cash in the right.

His family has like tons of money.

But he still has a desire to be the best. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's either in you or it's not with that, you know.

Maybe maybe that's why he can't get his attitude together too.

Right, he doesn't need it.

Yeah. A bit spoiled in that way, right? Yeah.

Who's disciplining him? You know what I mean? He runs his town, I'm sure.

What do you guys think about Hamzad and Strike?

I I I well, let me tell you. This comes down to Strickland's motivation. Well, I mean, you gotta be fucking motivated.

How many more shots?

But I mean he's worked with him before. I mean they I know they say that Comzat submitted him, but if you hear Strickland talk about it, they were doing When you're starting to do that.

Started on his back.

I mean.

Exactly. But I think when they moved around, I think uh he feels pretty confident with it. He's a hard guy to keep down, Sean. Yeah. And uh

Cardio's gonna be on point.

Who made comes out look human? Gilbert Burns, Kamar Uzman? I mean they made him look human, you know? And Drake is again not you don't want to see that rematch

But

In the fifth but in that fifth round. He he did get into some decent positions. He just got reversed right away. I mean, Sean, if there's any bit of blood in the water, he's fucking a finisher. He's you know what I mean? He'll stay on him or h if he's hurt at all. He's durable. I mean, a and everybody's saying how underrated his grappling is the guys that are working with him. So I I mean it's

That's all I've heard too. And he's so hard to hit, man. He's got a weird style. It's very weird.

He's circling out while the hands are in your face.

It's a

He also throws like looping shots on purpose sometimes. Like you would think it's bad technique, but he's like finding a way around your guard. Yeah. And he's catching you with weird stuff. And his fucking jab is on point.

Did you find it did you were you at the f were

Come on, yeah.

I was there for that. And you could hear it. Like you don't always hear that. Hear the thud in his jab when Fluffy was blocking him. And it was hard.

He was mixing his kicks in there well. He's gonna have to watch that.

And he wasn't getting hit, man. The thing about him, if you if you watch him when he's on point, he's so fucking hard to hit. He just fucked up with Alex.

It seems like everybody fucks up with Alex.

Yeah.

He doesn't negotiate with you. He's just like you fuck up it's over.

Do you do you think that um I do you think that translates to heavyweight with gone?

Well, I don't think so. I don't I think God is a little bit too

I think Garry would decision him. Good chance of fucking dancing and and jabbing his way to victory.

But that's what I'm saying, like Scott is gonna like

If he mixes it up with him, I think Alex will fucking could put him out.

Here's one thing is Gone hasn't been a hundred and eighty five pounds since he was twelve. Right. Yeah. I mean that's a big heavyweight, athletic, moves like a cat, and he's got world class striking skills, man. That Tom Aspinall fight o that first round opened up a lot of eyes. Like he looked fucking good, man.

It opened eyes all right. Open up fucking Tom's eyes. Hey, dude, I feel bad for Tom, man, because We'll talk about a guy that got the shit under the stick. Right. Yeah. Who's knuckled deep in his fucking eyes

Two surgeries.

Everybody's like, ah, walk it off. Fucking poor guy.

It really was.

I just think that was handled poorly right after the fact. You know, I think you have to address right after the fact that you have to probably tell people like what kind of injuries can be sustained from this. They're permanent. Look at Michael Bisbanks, still can't see out of his right eye. You can't you can't just have a guy go back into a fight when you can't see. It's crazy

The guy's eye's been injured. If he gets hit again, it could rupture. Who knows? Who knows what kind of damage you have back?

Who do you think was irresponsible? Yeah.

Uh I was doing a press conference afterwards. What I would emphasize first and foremost is how dangerous eye pokes are. But I think we've neglected uh some simple solutions. You know, and I think there's there's gotta be a solution th th that we use to stop these fucking fingers from going into people's eyes.

Point deduction right away.

Yeah. One I b you touch someone's eyeball with your fingers, one unless it's a complete scramble, yeah. His head happens to be there. Yeah. But if you're doing this when a guy's coming in and your fingers go in his eyes, one point. Every fucking time. Every fucking time. For sure. No no judge's discretion. Yeah. No, you know, no referees' discretion. Poke in the eye. Ow. One point.

Did did you ever ask Dana about the pride gloves? What happened to'em?

I did. Um you know I I don't remember the tech, right? That's good. The best stuff is Trevor Whitman. Right. A little bit of my body. I was trying to broke or something and I might still be able to do that to try to figure out a way to just like those those gloves are perfect. The knuckles curve over, your hands are in this position. It does not impede your grappling. It's easy to do that if you want to, but the natural position is like this. So if you're doing this, it's because you want it.

They can get some bad scientists on us.

Here's the mad scientist. Cover the tips of the fingers. You don't use them anywhere.

Right. So if you don't if it you're always grappling like this, right? Yeah. So cover it with like a mitten.

Yeah, little mittens. Ha ha. Well.

So it's your thumbs are free, so you still have some potential eye pokes from thumbs, but that mitigates a lot of it. That mitigates a lot of it. And you completely stop all this. Cause now you have a solid thing. It's not gonna go knuckle deep in one finger goes in, one finger's on your eyebrows, and it's just fucking digging in. That's crazy. That would all stop if you had a minute.

Well, I mean there's not a lot of eye pokes in bare knuckles.

Right. Right.

That is interesting. And it's because they're always like this.

Yeah.

It's just these guys they get in there and they're just like

Yeah.

So the way to stop it really I mean it's take away points and guys will be like this more.

Well I wonder if there would be less eye pokes in Just if you just think about uh MMA with gloves on If it was if it was just boxing and no kicking and takedowns. Maybe it's like all the different possibilities of things that

That's what it is. Like the it's the like they're trying to like avoid the takedown and everything. Blocking.

Yeah, everything. So that's why you're doing this.'Cause like Muay Thai guys do this all the time. Boxing guys very rarely do that. No. Very rarely. Unless they're showing off and they're about to hit you with a big right hand. Bang. Like Deontay Wilder, right?

Yeah, he'll he'll be

Yeah, old screen. Wing a nuclear bomb at your head.

I think you just gotta discourage guys to close your hands.

Cover the fingers. That's a tough fight.

He's too skinny for that.

He looked good in the Chasora fight in moments. There was moments. He said, I love you, and then Chasora said, I love you too. Oh. And then he hit him, knocked him out of the rain.

Jesus.

Deontay said he he backed off on him because he saw he was hurt and he wanted him to go home to his family.

Love you too. He fucking not really.

Beyonce did ayahuasca. And I think a lot of times when a a straight up assassin like Deontay Wilder meets God No, it takes a lot of that mean out of your You need a little of that mean to land those haymen.

You gotta be a little bit more than that.

Angry.

Yeah, you don't wanna be half a hippie when you're going in there like that.

You want to talk about one punch power though. That guy might be the greatest of all time.

He was like,

Pretty damn close.

Yeah.

He's was not a a great technical boxer. He started late in life. That right hand just was fucked Thor's hammer, was dropping on people's heads.

Teddy Alice always calls it the eraser. Any mistakes you make, that right hand erases them all.

I always wanted to see him fight Ga uh in Ghano.

That should have been the point.

Him and Engana would have been the fight to make.

Them two bombing at each other.

Well they could actually still do that.

Why not?

They could still do that. Like in Ghano, if you want to look at it from a business standpoint, man, that guy's killed it. Right? Yeah. Went over, got that crazy contract with the PFL. He got a chance to fight Tyson Fury, knocks him down, becomes a legend, then gets a big money fight with Anthony Joshua. That doesn't go so good. And then he has the his reintroduction to MMA. He he fights that dude, Hannon.

And a Ferrari.

Takes him down, smashes him, beats him down. So he made what, twenty million in that fight? Something crazy like that? He had a crazy contract, right? Yeah. And he had a contract where his opponent had to make at least two million. Who does that? Yeah. How do you not love the guy? How do you not love that? Right. He m he puts it into his opponent must make at least two million dollars. Yeah.

And now you he's gotta be making a lot for this Netflix.

Netflix think they gotta pay him because they need legit names. Yeah. And

Philippe Linz, he fought at light heavyweight in UFC, right? Yeah. Yeah.

I I worked with him a bit at top team and I mean I just this is a big moment for him. That's all I can say. Like I don't know how he's gonna do. It's a big moment for him. Yeah. I'm happy Nathan is making that money. Mike Perry too. I'm happy for them.

Yeah, I heard those guys are getting paid. It's nice because this is this is a thing where uh if a fighter is in contract negotiations and they have their last fight on the contract and they decide not to fight Or not to sign until after the fight. Yeah. If they do make that decision, which legally they can do, right? Yeah. And I was like, no, I actually call it

But that's just like that's why I'm hoping that this Netflix thing can be sustainable.

I hope so too.

Yeah, me too.

But just give the money. They they they're the ones who fight. Right. Without that, you got nothing. Right. Everybody's making plenty of money.

Money. It's gonna be big though for sure, this thing. Everybody's gonna watch it I think.

A hundred percent. It'll be huge'cause it's everybody has Netflix. They're gonna watch it. It's gonna be crazy. Rhonda could become a superstar again. Well, she's already a superstar. But I mean if she wins again, then people start talking about like maybe Rhonda's gonna come back to the UFC. Maybe Ron it is like a WWE moment. Rhonda and Dana shake hands on a stage with like Erica Kirk fireworks going off behind them.

Ha ha ha ha!

And Drew.

Rhonda, Kayla Harrison, White House lawn number two next next summer. Oh

I dunno I don't think she would do well in the UFC, but this is great for her. She's done with the WWE and all that stuff.

Yeah. I bet it's probably hard for a r I mean, she probably enjoyed the job. It was a great job. Made her a lot of money. But it's probably hard for an elite competitor. to do these stage things. I mean she's an elite competitor.

'Cause I instinctively she just wants to do compete.

100%.

She doesn't want to fade.

Yeah. Kurt Engle turned out to be a real good pro wrestler, you know, despite the right.

No, listen, it's a great gig. Don't get me wrong. But I'm saying for someone who still can fight

That gotcha. Yeah, Angle was done at at that point when he went to pro wrestling.

I went to the- won the Olympics with a broken neck!

Savage.

I just went to the uh the the headquarters in Connecticut. It's pretty wild.

That's right.

Stephanie McMahon's uh podcast. She's very nice, Stephanie McMahon. Nice. And uh I seen that whole fucking place. If you're into WWE, it's like a fucking nerd gas. But I'm not really into it.

Bro, Tony Hashcliffe would cream his pants. Oh my god. Oh, cream his pants. He's already been there, I'm sure.

Oh yeah, he would.

He's working with them now. Is he? Yeah, yeah. He's doing stuff with the WWE.

Is he writing for him or not?

He's gonna be in some shows, he's gonna be a bad guy doing some things, my goodness.

Wow, he's so-

So happy.

That's great.

I don't know how much I could talk about this. I have to be quiet. I don't know how much this is public but They're doing a they've already they're already announcing they're doing some stuff with Kill Tony. And he's gonna roast like WWE people. They're gonna do some stuff like that. They're they're doing a lot of collaborations together. It's perfect. That guy's a giant restaurant.

And he loves it. Yeah. The guys that love it, love it. And he's the best roaster, too. Man, when I be sitting up at the fights, I don't say shit. I'm like, yo, I don't want him coming at me. He had Dana's. Yeah. Dane is back for the fucking time we had to do that. That thing at the Laugh Factory. Oh yeah, yeah. Dana was a little bit more. Yeah.

That's hilarious. Yeah, Tony's the best at that shit. He's the best at cracking people. Cracking on people and cutting people down.

But the people that love that that soap opera

Like.

I I don't hate on it. I see how much they love it.

Like it keeps you entertained, man. And if you're a nerd like Tony, like They go nuts, but it's like you you're you it's like the same

I always said it's like a male it's a male soap opera.

Yeah.

But it's like the same kind of escape that you get if you're watching Game of Thrones. It's just an escape.

For sure.

This is crazy.

See I but that's where I just got a line. I can't do it. I draw the line there. I can't do that. And I got I ain't got no B I ain't got no problem with it. I just can't do it.

I'm in the same campus as you. It's not my thing. I don't watch it, but I respect it. I respect how hard it is to do. Yeah.

Oh yeah. Remember Matt we wrestled at uh Yeah, we did a little thing in the street. We had uh but we were just winging it. Yeah. I was hoping you just let me get a submission. Will you fight me off? Come on, man. Let me just strap you. I hurt my knee. It was tough, man. I ain't went I was like, damn, this is harder than I thought.

Some guys take a beating for sure. You can learn how to fall but you're still falling.

Yeah. I've met Hulk Hogan twice. Well I'd met him before when he did a promo with me with the UFC. It was when uh we were on I think we were on Spike back. Yeah. But uh I met him a long time ago and he's like he was six foot five. He's this giant fucking dude. I was like, holy shit, it's Hulk Hogan. And then I saw him the last time he did my podcast and he's like four inches short. And it's all from getting it all of his spine fused.

I'm like wait a minute.

Yeah. He was like a big guy still, but it was he used to be a giant. He was like this towering fucking crazy guy with bald head.

Thunderlip.

He was so fun. That dude was so fun. But uh he that's how many back surgeries he had, and he said it was all from that move that he had where he dropped down.

Oh no kidding.

And then the big seat.

Exactly. So the seat drop, every time he does that, he's compressing his discs.

Three hundred plus.

Three hundred fucking pounds every night. Dropping down every night and just blowing his back out. His back was just destroyed. Wow. Destroyed. Every s every vertebrae destroyed. Every disc blown apart. Mm-hmm.

I was watching The Princess Pride the other day with fucking

Andre the Giant.

Anybody want a peanut? Yeah, he's fucking great.

My name is Diego Montoya.

Father. It was such a great such a great movie.

All right.

Great movie.

Yeah, I put that on for the family. Have the kids watch it. It's a classic.

That's great.

Yeah, yeah, that's one the that l lasts ages. It goes through generations. Look at that fucking

Ja, ja, het holds op. Fugger love.

They don't make them like that anymore.

I just saw that Project Hail Mary. That's a a nice one for the family. What is that? It's with Ryan Gosling goes to space and fucking has to save the world type thing, but You know, it's more than that, but that's pretty much the it the premise.

Where are these Artemis people at now? Are they are they passing the moon yet? They passed it? So they when did they did they land yet? Are they back yet? Where are they?

Well, who's going where?

They went around the moon.

They went all the way around the moon?

All the way around the moon.

They just went around and s saw the dark side of them.

Yeah, they took photos of the dark side.

Yeah.

Splash. Splash on fire. So they land tomorrow. Wow. So they um so the the dark side of the moon is only dark when the moon's not it's not dark like the sun still hits it the same amount the sun hits the light side. Is that just a little bit more than that? I used to think I'm I'm a retard. I used to think that the m the reason why we only see one side of the moon is because the moon doesn't spin.

That's what I thought

No no no. The moon not only spins around us but it rotates. But when we see it, i the only time we see the moon during a full moon or a quarter moon or whatever it is, is when the sun is hitting the side that's always facing. Right. So when when it goes the other way.

Right.

That's what it is.

But they so they took pictures of the other side.

Yeah. And there's aliens everywhere.

I was about to say, yeah, I was about to say, what's on the other side?

Thanks.

Civilization on the other side? What's on the other side? And in that in that movie he finds an alien, by the way. Oh he does. It's not really a spoiler, it's in the in the trailers.

I had that guy Bob Lazar on the bottom. You want to see a great documentary? The first I would say Jeremy Corbell's documentary, which is uh Area fifty one, Bob Lazar and Flying Saucer. Is that what it's called? Bob Lazar, Area Fifty One and Flying Saucer?

Look at me, motherfucker.

Son of a bitch. But he's got a new one out called S four. I recommend it to anybody. It's a they did like CGI and they uh de-aged it.

Netflix or Amazon.

Yeah.

What's it called again?

S four.

S4.

I just saw uh I was just watching a series with you on that uh ancient apocalypse. Yeah, yeah.

Oh, with Graham Hancock. That's right. That's right. Yeah. Graham and my man.

Do you know uh Rodrigo Gracie? Yeah. Good buddy of mine, uh my uh my old roommate.

He's a fucking wacky guy. He's fucking funny. Funny as shit. So, you know, we were just out to eat last night with Danaher. We were talking about. And he's like, oh he's great. And he's like, Oh I'm glad that Hodrigo's m matured. I was talking about how he's doing good. He just visited me, he did my podcast and he did a a seminar at my place. So he you know, I I was catching up with him so he told me he was visiting area fifty one with his wife.

Yeah.

Yeah. Shitting myself. The two pilots come over? One of them takes off the helmet. Califlower ears. He goes, Fucking thank. He trained under my cousin. He goes, The guy's bow he goes, the guy's bowing to me. He goes, yelling at me. So he got out of it. The guy trained under he's a brown belt under fucking

How lucky. That's so lucky.

I go fucking Irigo man, only you, bro.

That's so loud. Yeah, they probably thought they were trying to like fuck with planes.'Cause kids do that. They they shine laser beams at planes, it's like a real problem. It'll get in their eyes while they're fucking flying the planes. The lasers go all the way up to a plane.

I used to be with Rodrigo on on twenty seventh street easily. It's we'd be out the window. He put guys walking down the street. Fucking he's like, Ah look at him jump on the p cover and look at this is going You're going to hell with what you're doing. Shit still getting them in trouble.

That's so ridiculous. Exactly.

Take it.

Don't do that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Don't do that around here.

He thought he was making contact.

Contact.

Yeah, they keep talking about making contact.

Let's do it already. God damn it.

Yeah.

I wanna see it.

That's just dict teasing us.

Yeah shit.

But you're a sci-fi guy.

Oh man, have you watched the Dune movies or no? No. I give it a shot.

No, I don't have any time. They were good. When I get home too, like if if it's like late at night when I'm home and I'm by myself watching shit, I don't I want to watch documentary.

I I was about to say, man. Take a week off of a documentary on the fucking

Watch this. They're getting close, man.

The Dune movies.

Oh fucking.

Owen is great and now they got the Dune Messiah.

Yeah, they got a third one coming out, right?

Yep, third one coming out. And this guy can't miss this.

But he keeps telling me how awesome they are.

They are

I tried to watch it was kinda slow. Just.

Oh yeah. Accepting opinions.

I don't know. Yeah. Hey, you know what else who else is coming out with a movie? Who? Uh

Wait a minute. Flowers. Flowers.

İzlediğiniz için teşekkür ederim.

Wait, wait. That's why Dean picked up dinner last night, I said

No, no, I d I did that because of my new job, but Paramount I'll tell you right now, you almost give me a heart attack when you reach for that fucking bill.

Is this a movie that you put together? Yeah, yeah.

It's on.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. It's about a female in a in an abusive relationship. No. There it is.

Flowers. No shit. The multi talented.

Nothing to do with cage fighting or not.

Nothing. That's incredible, dude. Congratulations. That's awesome.

Yeah, I'm gonna start uh shopping it

The film fest.

Yeah, next week. So

That's awesome dude. I like when people spread their wings.

You got to. Like, you know, life is short and then you don't want to be in a box. You know, you want to be able to do all kinds of different things.

And you can do whatever the fuck you want.

You can do whatever the fuck you want, yeah. So I try to do whatever the fuck I want.

Yeah.

That's how I live. There's too many people out there not doing what they want to do.

It makes me sad actually.

It's a sad existence. You know, and a lot of people are doing it'cause like you gotta take care of your family and I get it and I respect it, maybe you have a good time at work. That's great. There's a thing you wanna do while you're still breathing. I know, do it. You should try at least try it.

I feel so fortunate when I fucking have my day to day. You know what I mean? Yeah. Because I'm not like you Dean Thomas. I don't want to do shit. And uh he's asking how I'm doing. I'm like, dude, my school? Talios pizzeria. No bromate, no bleach. And my pod my podcast I'm having fun with. And UFC Unfiltered. Dude, it's just such a I don't want to do anything else.

Beautiful.

Es ist so viel Spaß.

Th there's a lot of power in saying no. Oh. You know? Saying no to things. I don't want to do anything more. Like just Enjoy what you're doing. You don't have to keep piling on. But the thing is once things start house you start saying, Bo, I better not say no to nothing. No.

Oh, yeah.

I should do that. I'll find the time.

But once but once you get to the point where you can say, No, that's a great place to be. Is your heart in it or not? Do you want to do that? The day-to-day, your day-to-day life. That's what I love about Longo. Longo's you know what's funny? He's holding for my daughter now, which is so great. She had her first kickboxing match in one, I told you.

Yeah, you sent us the pictures in the group chat. And so Such a proud moment.

So proud and it's so it's just so cool, man, when I see him holding for like that's awesome. He doesn't ha like you know, he just that guy just doing it. He's just doing the same thing. Yeah.

If if somebody if the Paramount was smart, they would do a fucking uh a whole series of you and him w traveling to fights, working with people, hanging out and cornering each other. You guys in the corner are some it's fucking I'm like, keep the camera on Sarah.

Ain't that the truth?

It's the truth. We always talk about it in the commentary. Like, it's fucking awesome watching you guys in a corner. Good technical advice, but it's just fun. You guys are fun together.

Just on a on an amateur card we just got brought back together for one of my fighters, Adrian, this this little young uh Filipino guy. He's good kid, nurse he's a nurse, always smiling.

They're all nervous.

He went in. Uh he went in there and he's just like I just have just my one wish is to have you and Ray and my corner. He's such a nice kid. So we went in there, we cornered him. We didn't have to work the corner though. The first round he flatlined this guy. Nice. Oh man. So yeah, man.

That's great. But you guys are great on your podcast together too. Chemistry.

You got a crazy friendship. It's perfect. It's like the banter's hilarious. The two of you guys you compliment each other perfectly. It would be a great show. I'm telling

They better do something soon before the first episode is me and the guys taking Longo to a home. He's not getting any younger. Hey guys, field trip Longo. Where are we going?

Don't let him talk to you like that, Ray. I'm in your corner, Ray.

You fucking road trip to the fucking home Longo. Ha ha ha.

Oh my god.

What do you think of um Gilbert Burns versus Mike Muller?

Is Gilbert's lost four in a row, but he did it to all killers. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Lots of tough guys. Getting better.

Only lost once to Neil Magney in a fight that he was doing great in, but then he got Neil Magney'd'cause that guy's fucking

Yeah.

Never gets tired. Rided the ship since then. Yep. And uh that kid's like the next captain Canada. He's doing people they make an unfair comparison, like, are you the next George, that type of thing. But he's his own fighter. Right. He's got a a great skill set, good head on his shoulders. A family of studs, his brother's like an ice hockey.

It's a good test for him, Gilbert, at this stage of his career. You know? Yeah.

See if he still got it. Yeah. You know, he's the first guy to make comms out look human.

But when Morales did that to Gobert. Morales is terrifying. He looks so big it doesn't. I know. He doesn't make any sense.

So when we I was with Brady, when Brady got beat by him and It the way it he looked okay, right? Like we you know a guy, he's 170 pounds, then the next day we sh he steps into the cage and we're just looking like, Oh my god.

Massive. Massive. Yeah. And when you're that much taller that the and you're you're the better striker. God that's a good thing.

Yeah, it's a huge advantage. Like you just'cause you can stand six feet away from a guy and just be like

Ugari last week.

Like I know Mansor what he trained at with ground I was a ground control as a kid and uh before he went off to college and all and I mean the only thing I can say, first off, obviously he was not ready for him yet. But uh he definitely showed a lot of heart'cause he fucking stayed in there and took a

Yeah, I was just thinking the exact

Yeah, I'm I hope he comes back. I mean that was a I

Uh.

Personally knowing him, I felt horrible watching that.

He wasn't ready for that yet. There's j when you get an elite striker, you gotta realize that guy beat Pereira in glory.

Yeah.

Pereira knocked him out twice after that. But in the first fight he beat Pereira. decision. He's fucking good and he's training with Pereira now.

Clover.

Yeah, you don't know. That's a great fucking camp. And Glover has so much knowledge. Yeah. He's That guy was in the dark for six years where he couldn't get into America. And during those six years he was the boogeyman. Everybody talked about Glover. They're like there's a guy that's in Brazil, he can't get to America, but if that guy gets here he's fucking everybody up. And that was Glover. Glover was a t he was Always train with truck. Chuck and um in uh

It'll happen.

An S L O.

And they're in Danbury, Connecticut. And that's Yeah, they're not in Vegas.

Shit to do out there.

All they doing is training.

Yeah.

Yeah, dude.

Just nothing but Lyme disease in the woods.

And federal prison in Danbury.

Yeah. Yeah. Connecticut is it's a good place to just not get distracted. Just get to work.

Where uh Hodrigo Gracie broke my elbow. I was there. Yeah, you was there? I was there. I didn't know you were there. Yeah.

Damn, do you have to get pens in it?

No, they they I mean they set reset it, cast it. No pins. He told that story at the seminar. Oh, he did? Yeah, because I because I had to bring that up, man. I was like Because we weren't close at the time and I was yelling shit, but I I regret that too.

Yeah.

Yeah. Nah, that's what the story told. Then he then he said that Hensel yelled at him too after that. For letting it go? Why'd you why are you getting soft? Let that shit go.

Bro, I gotta get Henzo in here. Oh he's the best.

He's definitely.

We were gonna do it at one time, but he was only in Austin for a short amount of time and I I didn't have anything open, I couldn't get him in. I'd love to sit down with that guy. What a legend.

Yeah.

And he's one of those guys like you you hear about a guy getting a black belt and you go like okay and you go, No, you got a black belt from Henzo. You're like, Okay

Definitely.

Okay, it's like Henzo Hickson, Jean Jacques Machado. There's a few of those guys that are like, Okay, that's a real black belt. Like I mean, Henzo's New York place is like one of the most legendary places in the history of jujitsu. Have you had a read a history of jujitsu, the Henzo Academy in New York City? Yeah. Holy shit, man.

Hundred percent.

He came over in ninety-six. We had like an in-school tournament, you know what I mean? It was great. Because Craig Kukuk already had two schools for him. He had a Jersey school and the No clue, man. My first instructor. But he was not an easy guy to to he'd never let you get too

I bought all the ta- I learned a mount escape from those tapes and it worked one day. I was like, oh shit, it worked.

Before handles.

Early Brazilian Jiu Jitsu black belt. He was a black belt like early nineties, right? Like the Steve Maxwell era. He was one of the earliest ones to.

found out about him through the Gracie newsletter that I was applied to at like seventeen I used to get that. The great'cause I would buy the tapes you get a newsletter. And one newsletter it was like every few months It was announcing the first American black belt and then like two news laters later, they disowned them. They had a business. But I'm like But then I found out through B Black Belt magazine that he was teaching in the village one day a week in the city. I go

Why did they burn?

better he o right off the bat. Like Hensel was just so warm and great and I invite me over his house and he was just such a and Craig was was always kind of a wall. He was a big

That's amazing. That's amazing. That's amazing.

That's something that could that's my biggest achievement, right? You know, he took me under his wing, Hanzo, again. I was a purple belt. He got me out of a security guard booth, taking me to Japan to corner him versus rings,'cause he wanted to s had me to see what it's like backstage. Dude, I was no b I didn't do anything yet. I'm like, Oh shit. Really? Japan? So he would just do stuff like that. Yeah, he did a he d he put a lot into me, so I can't thank him.

So that's that fucking camp. You just think about how many elite black belts Henzo produced. They and then think of the John Donaher br branch of it.

Yeah, I know, yeah. No, well generationally, like it just it dominates all the generations of

Especially now if you think of what Donner's done. Oh my god. You know? I mean his prize guy, Gordon Ryan. Greatest of all time. For sure.

But I mean even on the other side who they don't get along with so much now, like th like Nicky Rodin now. Still from Donner.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And all elite of the elite. Yeah. Crazy lineage.

into it and he's got a genius mind. I remember he didn't even own a television until my buddy Chad LeBron who was moving back to Virginia. Gave him something. He gave him one so he could watch it had I think a VHS and a D V D thing where he wanted to just study wrestling tapes and Japanese tapes and he just used it just to study.

question for you.

Yeah, so I asked him about that last night.

What's his last name again?

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