#2514 - Cameron Hanes

The Joe Rogan experience. My day's your rogue. Use headphones or no. Okay. What what are you? I'm gonna fuck it up. Look, we got an American flag, we got a skull, we got camo. What the fuck else do you want? Are you American or not? Oh nice, dude. You're all in for 250, the 250th anniversary. It's also the only socks I brought on this trip somehow, so I wear'em every day now. No. One pair of socks and no underwear.

Oh God, I've done that before. We have to wash your socks in the sink with shampoo, with hotel shampoo. And then wear'em when they're wet. And this like I went on a run here, it is mu Oh yeah. Sweat of my ass. That's the fear of this weekend at the UFC. Um'cause it's east coast. It gets very muggy.

For sure. And D C. So these guys are all working out outside right now. I saw a video of Eamon Zahabi working out outside and Ilya Tapore is working out outside and You know, you have to feel that that heavy heavy air. It changes things. Oh yeah, man. I remember when I was a kid I went to the Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs. I see those thunderstorms too. Oh yeah, we're fucked. Fuck. There is a a canopy that's over the cage. They put a canopy over the cage.

If lightning hits that, that's not good. Well if it hits the canopy I think we're okay. I mean, I'm not sure. I think I'm I'm more worried about a terrorist attack than I am a fucking lightning. That's true. But I probably should be more worried about lightning. Um I actually have friends that have been hit by light. We do, Remy. Remy got hit by lightning. Yeah, for sure. So I know I don't I don't know anybody's been hit by a terrorist attack. Yeah, we had you know crazy storms here.

Do you play golf? No, I but I was outside I thought the storm was over and I was out on my balcony and I was like, Wow, this is cool. Oh, that's not a good spot to be. hit I'm 500 feet in the sky. I'm already up there. It hit and I started hearing sizzling near me. I'm like, holy sh Yeah, I gotta get inside. Like electricity sizzles? What the fuck is that weird?

Oh my god, that's so scary. That's such a fucked up way to go. Do you ever see that one video where the guy is walking down the street and he gets hit by lightning? He wakes up, walks down the street a little bit further, he's recovering, and he gets hit again. Dude got hit by lightning twice. And like I don't know if it's time lapse or what I don't know how long he was out for.'Cause it's like one of those ring cams that catches him. He's gonna go fucking cook twice.

You know you're having a bad day. I forget what Remy said happened to him after he he got hit, but I I remember his hearing was fucked up for a long time or something. Something like that. Yeah. We uh I was we do the mountains back home, like run'em and there's we were up on Diamond Peak, me and Tanner last year and a storm, you know, kinda like the weather report, like having some clouds or whatever. It wasn't supposed to be thunderstorms, but you could hear kind of growling.

Then you're like, God, is that coming this way? And it doesn't have to be that close. I mean, I think I think lightning can hit from ten miles away.

Really? Yes, it can go that it can go sideways. So anyway, if you see that building, you should get off the top of a mountain, right? Well me and Tanner were up there and we're still wanted to get the summit and then bomb off. Well we're up there And he goes he goes dad, he goes watch and he had we had trekking poles and he had em like this and they're they were like ticking like Electricity was in his trekking pole.

Then we I said, Let's get the fuck off this thing And so we bombed off and there's these kids down that were like they said, Should we go up? And I said, I'd wait a little bit and w the girl's hair was standing up. Oh my god! Oh my god, that's so crazy. That's it. This guy died in Florida last year in what they call blue skylight and the first time. What's the It can it jump from several miles up. Вау!

Standing on the beach, there was a blue sky above. Storm is Yeah, and I think it can go I know I looked it up after that'cause I was like, well I need to know I'm in the mountains all the time. His death nonetheless serves a grimmer mile of Florida, led the US in both lightning fatalities twelve and strikes per square mile seventy six. Holy shit. By the way, did you see that guy in Florida that uh he was running from the cops and he got killed by an alligator? No. Did you see that one? Uh uh.

Dude It's body cam footage. The cops got the gun out and he's he's like stop stop stop The guy's running, he's going in the water and all of a sudden boom like right I don't know if they get shot I'd rather get shot. Probably get shot but killed by a fucking dinosaur. Oh my god. Shot, you get the bullet's gonna hurt like fuck.

You're gonna be in shock. You're gonna realize you're bleeding out. You're gonna have to say, I wish I was a better person, I'm gonna miss my family. But that fucking alligator's gonna take a while to kill you. It's gonna roll with you. It's gonna drag you under the water. You're gonna realize you can't get free. You're gonna try to poke its eyes. It's not gonna work. It's gonna be a miserable existence till it's over.

Do you see that one video of a dude he got attacked by an alligator, uh lost his arm, so it bit his fucking arm off, and he made his way back home. So he they're they're like talking to him like right when he got out of the swamp and he got one arm. And he look he looked like There's not a chance in hell he was sober during any of this experience. He looked like he had been messed up since the fucking twelfth grade. Oh my god. This this dude. Yeah, this is the dude. Ho ho.

Yeah. He just fucking lost his stomach. Oh my god. Well first of all, how do you not bleed out? I know, d that's what I was gonna say, did you keep pressure on that? That was like What's it say? on my right hand side so I went to swim and she got she got my forearm so I grabbed her like this Uh Like she's trying to roll but she snapped her head so so my arm went backwards like this completely. He says he fought for his life.

He says he fought for his life. I could just imagine them in an editing bay. Should I do that again? Is that good? No. I know. He says he fought for his life. Yeah, we got that part with the no arm. We I wouldn't have assumed that I fucking wandered through alligator and snake infested swamp for three fucking days. Thanks for telling us what we need to be believing here. No, when I went alligator hunting out there a few years ago, you know that alligator that we shot that's in the front?

Bro, they're everywhere. Yeah. If you ever want to come, it's really fun. I don't know. I know you don't do much hunting outside of bow hunting, but they need to be killed. They're they're vastly overpopulated. But you can't do a bow? You can't. Yeah. Well that's like everything.

It's pretty sketchy. But this d this uh you know, that's a good thing. Dudley's killed alligators with a bow in Florida. Yeah. You you just gotta catch'em in the right spot. You gotta basically hit'em like right behind the head. Yeah. And I think you'd probably hit him with a fixed blade, right? There's just you got to brain'em. Yeah. So there's like that bump back there, then it's like halfway in between the eye and the bump, something like that.

So you wanna be like twenty yards so you can just fucking exit right in there. The good thing about that, if you fuck up and just kinda ricochet, it's gonna be fine. You know what I mean? It's like literally it it's not making if you go for the lungs and miss, hit it in the stomach, that's not good. It's gonna be pretty sick and miserable death. But They probably still live. Those fucking things are such monsters. They're such monsters.

I was saying, you know, we've killed bear uh up or Kip killed a bear up at the rivets with three legs. Oh I'm just like, how? One of'em will eat the other one's leg. But like how do you you know How do you survive? Yeah, we have to get antibiotics for like a hangout. I think our uh whole biome is probably all fucked up from washing it all the time. Yeah. Probably. I mean it completely makes sense, right?

Yeah. Animals don't seem to get a whole lot of infections like we do unless they're farm animals. Right. Or like occasionally a little it happens all the time in the rut, right? Like when you're dressing an animal you find all these holes in the side of it where like pusy. I remember one time one of the elk that we shot at Tahone had his back leg was just filled with pus. Like the whole bat it was all pus. Mm'cause he had gotten stabbed.

It's usually in that back'cause usually they turn'cause they know they're getting their ass kicked and so it's in their hind quarter. It's like the b the dominant bowl gets a jab in before they go. You've seen those tahone bowls, those eleven hundred pound fuckers. Imagine one of those stabbing you in the head.

And also if you see antlers there that are broke because they're so heavy. Uh-huh. Like there's that bone is so thick for their antlers. If a bull's break imagine the force required to break that. And imagine that going right up your ass. This episode is brought to you by Squarespace. Once you've got a great name for your business, you need a great domain. And Squarespace makes it easy to lock in a domain.

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Yeah. For my camera guy that'd be a dream. For most of us now. Ha ha ha. They find them, you know, with these ho holes in'em. Like when you when you shoot'em and you find out like what they've been through. Like no wonder why they barely moved when they got hit with an arrow. Yeah. They probably didn't even know like when two bulls are fighting and then one of'em gets hit with an arrow, they barely react. No. That'd be like, what? What was that? Fly landed on me? Locked into war.

Especially if you like get in between the ribs and don't hit anything. True. Just like that bull would be like, ow. Wait, what? What was that? Nothing. And all of a sudden, I'm feeling woozy. Pay over. Did you find that video see if you can find the video of the guy with the body cam footage getting killed by the alligator? You see a little bit though. I just think it's exciting. It's just on online.

I don't know why, but I do. Give me some b put the headphones on there. See what Та-та-та, I like the music. So here it is. Yeah See the cop's got his gun out and he's like trying to think of what to do and this dude's getting jacked. Oh, there goes the alligator to it. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, did you see that line of the That up a little bit so you can see it. So the dude's trying to swim away and look at the alligator. Boom. That's a wrap, son. Did he put his hands up here?

I don't think so. I think he just so back it up a little bit more. So you see the guy swimming away. What's that? Be a good Samaritan. Oh no, the same lady narrating. That's when it came. Mm. And that's not good. I mean it was a full on attack. Uh It was a full on attack like as if what, a halfway attack? No, they were fine. It's a fucking dinosaur. There was another story.

in Florida a few years back where a guy was ch running from the cops, I think uh it was a high speed chase, gets to a bridge Stops the car, throws it in park, jumps off the bridge, boom, alligator gets him. Literally like landed right on a fucking alligator. But that's the reality of the water. All the fresh water in Florida is filled with alligators. They have to

Check Disneyland all the time for Disney World. They have to check it all the time. Remember a little kid got killed there a few years ago? Imagine you take your kid to fucking Disney World and it gets killed by a dinosaur?

Rough. Well, and also it's like, you know how I don't know, you have dogs but are they ever around when you're eating and like something falls on the ground? They're always checking the ground. Well, that's what alligators do in the water. They're just sitting there just chilling out. Did I hear a little splash or like oh like a dog was that a pe a crumb f hitting the the floor af uh the dinner table? Yeah, exactly. So they just over there and they'll just eat whatever hit the water.

Especially if something seems like it's struggling. Opportunist. So they're just Chilling, just waiting for shit to hit the water, which is that's what fishing is too. You know, you see that the ha the flies hatching, you try to match it, try to put it on there. And like they're like, Okay, got one to hit the water. Right. But yeah, alligators are masters of taking advantage of opportunity and Every once in a while some comes off a bridge and hey, big meal.

Really shocking how many of'em there are in in the Everglades. It's like w you know, I went uh I guess it was three years ago, and when we were there, it's like everywhere you look, you have to look for an alligator. It's it's like nothing I've ever seen. I I I thought it'd be hard to find'em. Mm-hmm. I thought like we go out there, uh you know, you look around, you probably glass a little, see eyeballs pop up. No. They're fucking all over the wall. Like how many would you see?

We saw fifteen, twenty, maybe more. Just chilling. Maybe thirty, you see like uh some movement on the water and then they dunk under and you're in the fucking swamp, man. It's sketchy as shit. You've never done it. It's very weird. It's very weird because you're like, This is a mess. Yeah. Like there's the feeling that you get there like, Oh, this is infested. Like you you're infested by dinosaurs. And then meanwhile

You go an hour and a half later, you're in Miami having a steak, drinking a nice Pinot Noir. You know, you think you're in civilization. You're you're Fucking uh a a half a day's drive from Monster. An infested. And imagine if you weren't in a boat. Like what if what if you were just somehow something happened to the boat? Oh you fucked. Yeah. What would you do if like the boat sank out there? Well we were in in a boat. Oh okay. We we drove out we were with guides and we drove out in trucks.

Oh, yeah. It's just hot and muggy and and these fuckers You see'em pop up, you see the eyeballs pop up, you see some motion, but you fucking see'em everywhere. Yeah. And then you look around at how big the Everglades is and you go, how many of'em are out here? It's not like we found the honey spot. Right. You know what I mean? It's like the whole Afroglade.

And there when I was a kid, you know, I lived down there in Florida when I was uh eleven years old, from eleven to thirteen. I lived in Gainesville. And there's flo alligators back then, but they were endangered. Mm-hmm. And so you you weren't allowed to kill'em. And so they would kill people's dogs and shit. I remember this lady in my neighborhood, her dog got jacked. She was walking her dog by Lake Alice and it just snatched her dog and took it away.

This is like the late seventies. And um we were fill feeding'em marshmallows. So you'd go to the dock and you throw marshmallows and the alligators would come up and eat the marshmallows. And it was you know, it was weird. It was like it's kinda cool that they're there. It freaks you out a little bit, but they weren't dangerous. Right.

Cut to all these years later, now because no one hunted them, because they basically were making shoes out of them back in the day. And they almost hunted them to extinction. And uh they should probably start that again. Yeah. Back in like the seventies, like that was the cool shoes. Like in the pool halls where I used to play pool, like uh the old guys would talk about how a guy was really dressed up, he had his gaiters on. He looked good, he had a nice suit, he had his gaiters on. His gaiters.

I got gator boots. Alligator shoes. Yeah. Yeah. Gator boots seem to be a different thing because it kind of m almost makes sense'cause like al like you get boots that are made out of like snakeskin and ostrich and like that's kind of a cowboy boot thing. But alligator dress You got your gaiters on. Yeah. Very hard to get. Polish it. That's Ric Flair. Oh yeah. Ha ha ha. I love that.

Bro, I gotta apologize to Rick Flair. He got uh scammed. So some some person reached out and said that they were representing this podcast and they were gonna ha that he was gonna come on the podcast. Oh. I think Uh Tim Dillon has happened with him too. Um it didn't happen with him where they got him, but they send you an email saying that they're gonna have you come on a podcast, but they need your bank information.

Yeah, they're they'll pay you. Sometimes it's like y three thousand bucks. Right.'Cause I've got those too. And what it really is, is they're just gonna empty your bank account. And uh it's just a scam. So if you get an email like that from me, it's not real. Sorry, Ric Flair. Sure. Rick Flair. I don't know if they he lost his money, but Tim Dillon, they tried to get him on uh Amy Polar show. So it's that's the scam. The scam was

They reached out to t he talked about it on his podcast. They reached the the scammer reached out, said, I'm representing the Amy Polar show. We would love to have you on and he was like, That doesn't seem like that would be a good thing for Amy Polar I don't think I'm a good guest. Yeah.

It was like it was like I don't think this is real. And then it says, you know, we need your bank account information and so many people just like Don't think about it or they're boomers or Well it they make it seem legit'cause I know um Pat McAfee, I got an email from them about coming on the show and I'd been kinda communicating with some of those guys before and so I'm like

Maybe. I mean it's for me it's like a big deal. Like ESPN and Pat McAfee. He's like to me he reminds me of you. He just kinda does what says whatever he wants. Does he free. If the bosses say whatever, he's like fuck off. I I just love that Yeah. He's a guy that's got fuck you money that says fuck you. That's what I love. It's just it's beautiful. So I mean I celebrate that's that's uh you know, First Amendment in his glory right there. And he seems like a genuine good d

Yeah, yeah. I don't know him, but I don't know him either, but when you hear a guy talk enough. Yeah, yeah. You can assume or you can like put the pieces of the puzzle together but And they've worn my stuff on there, so I'm like, oh maybe this is real, right? Oh no. So the guy I asked uh uh he's just a AO, uh he's just a great guy, but he uh he said no, it's not not legit. But they had me cause it was like It almost seemed real.

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Yeah, somebody asked me like hey, you know, they said well they said, uh, can you do anything about it? Unfortunately I can't. Like there's nothing you could do other than tell people it's a scam. Mm-hmm. I don't want to tell you how I get guests. I don't want to like give up the process. But uh I have a guy and I have this guy reach out to people and you know, I I don't want to talk too much about it'cause I don't want people to imitate that and pretend that that's how they do it.

Because I think it's a good idea. Yeah. If you get an email asking for your bank account information, it's not me. No. And it's probably not Anna Ferris or Amy Polar or Tim Dillon or any of those other people. It's all bullshit. No. Unfortunately. If you say you have some elk meat you'll share, that might be real. Nope. I share with friends and family. That's it. I am about giving it out to weirdos. You're bringing in some bear meat. No. And uh dude, you're I said you're in trouble.

We got a lot of notes. I got I got shit we're gonna discuss today. Yeah, like I had a scientist on yesterday. He had less notes. Less I know, I'm I'm ready. Well First of all, before we go any further, what's going on with your tooth? Why you got a gold tooth? I love it. Yeah, it's uh well, it was it's kind of a joke, but I've been obs like for years obsessed with like perfect teeth, right? And That's why Adam Greenchees always bust your balls.

Yeah, I did like the the white strips and l all this other shit and like I always cared about w what just probably cared too much. So now I don't care what I look like, but um What changed? Uh I don't know. I I've just like been playing the game too long. Now it's just like I'm just done. And and the game's not over, unfortunately. Even though I'm saying I don't want to play anymore, the game still goes on. So it's like I'm still part of it. But anyway

I was getting this okay, long story short, um I had I broke this in high school, so I had a fake two since high school. And um Yeah, this is like long story kissing this girl, basketball hit him back in the head, broke the tooth. Anyway You broke the teeth on her teeth? Yeah, so she had pieces of teeth in her lip. Um that's crazy. Yeah, it was uh Jack Devereaux did that. But anyway, um

We uh so I got it fixed, got a few different iterations of it, finally found one that looked good. Well I go in there, I hadn't been in the dentist in forever because I just what hate going. And they said, Oh, you got a a a cavity under that what er composite is what it was called.

And I'm like, okay, cool. So we gotta take it off, fix the cavity, then you get a n whole nother one. And I'm like, whatever. Um so I go back in there, next neck deployment, they take it off, no cavity. But now we just have this like whittled down regular tooth just like a like a post of a tooth. So th because they remove the cavity? Or there was no cavity. No cavity.

They thought on the x-ray there was so they had the the anyway the cap or or the composites gone. So they said, well you need to go and match the color of your teeth for your new fake fake tooth. In Spring in in Springfield swing by this Springfield um

whatever they do there for for dentistry. So I go in there and they said, uh the girl there goes, Hey, my husband makes some really cool gold teeth. He does a really good job. Do you want a gold one? And uh I was like, Wait and so she's like, We'll do a white one too, but A gold one might just be fun and then I'm like, Yeah, it'd be fun. So I told Trace I'm just gonna do it just A day or two. So this has been months now. You gotta keep. I don't know, I kinda like it. I kinda like it too.

It's like everybody you know, everybody's got regular teeth, nobody's got gold teeth. Not anymore. It was a thing back in the day. Well, this is like my savings account'cause I figure that I'm gonna lose everything'cause I'm such a fuck up, but I'll still have this. I can still That sucker out, you could buy a cheeseburger. If I get in a bind, right? It's like, Hey, well, I got this.

I have one crown, I have one fake tooth back here. I cracked one of my molars. I had a root canal and then um it cr like so then they had to put like a crown on it and then it cracked. Yeah. I think I'm gonna get a gold one. Nice. Yeah. Until I give you a big cheese. Yeah. I'm gonna get it. I'm copying you. Good. When you're cracking up you always do a big smile. So that'll one be when people see it, that'll be fun. Fortunately I laugh a lot. Live a happy life.

Yeah, you do. You're you're crushing it lately. Keep your foot on the gas. Same old stuff, right? Just keep I can't believe I look at your guests and it's just like non stop, dude. It's like it's people see like all your success. You'd think most people would be like, Okay, I'm good, I'll your foot off the gas. You don't. No. You keep I mean you you work your ass off.

you very rarely get an opportunity in life to do anything like what I can do. And very few human beings get this opportunity. And I feel uh insanely fortunate and also um Very responsible. Like I I'm responsible for this whole thing. I have to keep it rolling. I know people are

to it. They love it. They want the variety. They want scientists. They want guys like you. They want athletes and fighters. They want all this shit. They want to hear all these different people talk, all these different perspectives. And it's a huge obligation, you know, and I feel like connected to all these people. I know I don't talk to them all the time. I don't know, but I feel it, I know it and I'm dedicated.

I just keep my foot on the gas. I never I never say, Oh, I can't believe I have to do this. Oh, I can't believe I have to show up. I just Yeah. I always try to reset every day. It's so fortunate. And then, you know, when you have that opportunity, I think it's a terrible tragedy, a travesty to not capitalize on it, to not like make the most. 'Cause I know that it's like very few human beings in the world. Well, I mean how many people have ever had the number one

It's always gone like back and forth. I've had it for like six years now. Six or seven. Might be seven years. I'm not I'm not s keeping my foot off the gas. I'm gonna do exactly what I'm doing. I'm gonna do it my best. I'm gonna keep doing it until the fucking wheel. That's like people have said like with bow hunting and stuff, like

if you you know, you work your ass off to to get this place where you're respected, right? And then there's gonna be people that want your position. And like with your attitude, my attitude too is like, fucking come get it. Yeah. Come get it. Come try to take it.'Cause I remember I'm working my ass off still.

We were hanging out somewhere and you said one of the coldest things to this dude. This dude was uh we were all just fucking around. I I really even forget who it was'cause it didn't matter. And he said uh yeah, a and after that I'm gonna challenge you to a race and you go Good luck with that. So cold. Didn't even remotely take it seriously. It was like a five year old saying they're gonna kick my ass. Like, okay, good luck with that.

Yeah, I mean you get you get confident when it's something you do like Further down the line than anybody. And so if you're gonna take my spot. Right. I mean a grind, dude. Yeah, the whole take in the spot thing is so stupid because everybody's on their own little journey. And you could look at it.

in terms of I'm gonna take that guy's spot and maybe that's your motivation and uh that's cool and all that, but there's a negative attached to that motivation. If you don't have an actual personal beef with someone and you hate them just because they're in a position that you wish you are

You're wasting energy. I know this sounds like very hippie, but it's true. Like you're that energy instead should be celebrating that there's people like that out in the world that do inspire you and are out there pushing themselves to like extreme limits and just and it b excelling. at whatever dis whether it's fucking playing guitar or doing stand up comedy, you should look at those people like, wow, what are they doing that I can do to make myself more

or better or what where where can I get to a point, how can I get to a point where I'm like them? But most people don't do that. Most people are like, fuck that guy. That guy fucking sucks. This sucks and fucking he's a pussy and he's a this and he's using steroids and he's fucking lying about how many miles he runs and it's there's always gonna be people like that and I'm telling my message to the haters.

I w I was a hater. When I was a kid, I was one hundred percent a hater. One hundred percent. Like all the other people, like when I was fighting, everybody else was a pussy. Mm-hmm. They were all pussy.

Yeah. Unless they were weren't in my weight division. If they weren't in my weight division, then I could celebrate'em but everybody in my weight division was a pussy. That guy's I'm gonna fuck that guy up, he's got nothing. I I could never celebrate people. Even like national champions, people with the I couldn't celebrate them. Right. It's a weight.

It's a waste of energy. Yeah. And you get more energy out of looking at what they do well and analyzing it and being inspired by it. It's a hard struggle. Because your ego wants you to compare yourself to them and find flaws in them. You know, fuck that guy, fuck this and fuck that. It's a waste of energy. Your energy is very critical. It's everything in life. Everything you do in life is dependent upon you having energy. And for you to waste your energy in some stupid ego driven direction.

Just because you're too weak to recognize like, oh, this guy can kick my ass. Oh, this guy uh could shoot a bow further than me. Oh, this guy runs way farther than I can run. Oh, this guy's way better at playing guitar. What the fuck can I do to get where he's at? Yeah. That's a it's a trap because not only does it take away energy, it takes away progress. It takes away energy from you investing in you being better in the future. Right. It's bad all around. Yeah. There's no good to it at all.

No, I I I agree with that. And it's like that that energy is a resource that we have to protect. I think that when you talk about like you talk about all the outliers that you you have this conversation with or sit across the table from you and I think your attitude and how you look at things like in that lens, that makes people

wanna come on like you said you listed all these people and people want to hear what they have to say. People want to hear what they have to say to you because you have a way of drawing out uh more information in a different way because your attitude is so pure. I think Even if you didn't believe what you said, it would still c if if you just said like, I want to be positive, but your questions were all negative.

like in tone or like confrontational in tone. People wouldn't want to be on here like they wanna be on here now. You being positive and looking at things like how can I get better? How can I grow? How can we all learn in in um um get better from this, that's the lens that you put the information that comes out through these microphones out into the world, which means people are attracted to you. People are attracted to the guests you have. People are attracted to the show.

And so yeah, that energy we even though even if we don't admit it, we're attracted to it. You you know what I mean? You seek it out. And um I know when I'm I like to hear people paint a picture of something that gives me hope. I don't wanna hear about how fucked up everything is all the time. Right. I want hope. How can I have hope?'Cause hope gives me purpose. I'm like, okay, I can do this. I can I got get to work and this'll this'll pay off. Yeah. So I I think it's like it's more complicated.

than we than we think. But there's a reason why you're number one and have been number one and it's your attitude. And it's it's how you speak to people. So I got in at like two thousand and nine. And there was hardly anybody doing it. Yeah. So you could you could also I wasn't as famous back then, so you could do it for a long time before anybody noticed you were doing it. Right. So you could get good at it. So you can hone your craft.

You didn't have a bunch of comments that you had to sift through. You didn't have the you just Did it. If you started now, maybe you wouldn't be number one. Ah, boy. You know what I mean? Yeah, like what's the number? Ten mil five million? It probably keeps growing every week, so everybody thinks they can do it,'cause everybody can talk. Well yeah, and and the people starting now, they might be Down the road. Well they'll be them. Incredible conversationalist.

They'll be them. They'll be a different thing than me, but they'll be amazing. But you had because you had this insight or you know, you saw Tom Green or whoever it was that like, oh maybe I could do that, you started this process of this decades of honing your craft. To where it is now, and now you've been on top for six, seven years, right? And it's just because of all those reps that you did, it's it's no different than anything we always talk about. Everything. Everything's reps.

Yeah, everything is wrapped. It's just like you want to get good at something, keep fail, keep doing it. Archery is reps, pool is reps, martial arts are reps. It's all reps. It's all experience and it's all like being like super focused on what you're trying to do. Whatever it is. Yeah. I think like I even think of you know, I love Sean Ryan and he's has an incredible podcast.

I I I get I get why this is happening. He's pretty down kind of on a lot right now, just with government, with Israel, with Epstein, with all the which is By design almost, they want us to be hopeless. And I I don't want to be a conspiracy theorist, but they do want us hopeless so'cause we can be controlled. Sean, his podcast lately has taken more, I don't want to say dark because it's more real, but it's like it's darker. So I just think that attracts.

less people and a different type of person than yours. You have every reason to be dark about things, and you are sometimes, but that's not the theme of you. Well I think these d it's like first of all, people that aren't comedians they're very they're limited. You know, being a comedian is there's a little bit of a safety. Freedom. Yeah. Yeah, we're fucking around. You get a little get got a little you can write it offline.

It's also there's that's real in terms of like uh another layer of conversation. Like there's a layer of conversation that is commonly known as talking shit. And talking shit is a thing that you do where you're with your boys and you say things that you don't really mean because they're funny. Yeah. And you make each other laugh.

You talk about how many dicks you sucked last night. You know, why why is your mouth so sore? You know, like y you you fuck around, you say things, you you're silly. You know, you talk about oh, you know, it's hard doing all this meth. You know, you don't You're not really doing meth. Right. Right. There's you're you're not really having gay sex. Right. You're fucking around. Yeah. And when you can't fuck around, there's a whole realm of the conversation that's missing. Yeah, for sure.

And there's a whole like Like get out of jail pass. Like let's have fun. Let's loosen up a little here. And then we You can't loosen up. You're serious. Right. And then where does the conversation go? Back to the serious part which changed

It's also the serious stuff is what gets engagement. Yeah. And that's a little bit of a trap where if you only focus on the bad of the world and it's not saying you should ignore the bad of the world, you certainly shouldn't, but if you only focus on the bad of the world It's kind of a trap. Yeah. It'll fuck your head up too. That's what I see Sean that's a feeling I've got with Sean lately, whereas with the differences with you, there's a reset, there's always this reset back to good.

The message is good. Yeah, I think... And I don't think you're I don't I don't I don't think you That's not by design. That's just who you are. Yeah, no, it's not by design. It's just uh I that's how I think. You can only dwell on negativity so much. Most of your day is not Yeah. Yeah. problem is is no it's not but our voices are often times negative. So It's easy.

If like if you get in that trap where you're listening to negative and you're thinking negative, it's a lot of negative dude. Yeah. So it's like knowing that, you know, I can go down a negative rabbit hole pretty easy. I try to avoid ...waiting in the ha... Sometimes it's like you just get fed up. You're like, where the fuck are these Epstein files? Yeah. Who the fuck is this?

Why is this redacted? Where is it? Who the fuck killed J F K? Right. Like come out with it. What the fuck who fucking killed Charlie Kirk for real? Yeah. Like what is that? Why is that fucking story so clouded in mystery and Why did they pave over the fucking ground right after the the shooting? What the fuck is going on there? See now you're making me in a bad mood. But that it's easy to do. It's easy to do. It's easy to get locked up in there.

Do you see my notes? Look at my two on the very top. What does it say stay positive? Be nice. And what does that other one say? Be positive. Oh, be nice, be positive. Well your handwriting's terrible. It is You should be a doctor. Ha ha ha. But no, I have to remind myself like'cause I if you start mentioning those things that you just did. Oh, it's hard. Dude, I will fucking lose my shit because I'm so pissed.

I know. And we we were all we're all pissed. We were all you know, we all thought that, you know, all that stuff was gonna be released right after the election. It's gonna we're gonna drain the swamp and find all the pedophiles and Well the the first term was more like that. That's what gave me hope for this term. The first term there was some draining the swamp going on. I felt

Then we had the Biden disaster and now the second term has been, I don't even know what this is. I don't even know what it is. Well, it would have been a whole lot different. First of all, if we didn't bomb your own. I feel like we bombed them the first time, we were good. The second time was like the even the first time I was like, What the fuck are we doing? Yeah. And then when they were saying like this is it, the the the escalation's over, we're gonna work this out like

Yeah. And the second time when we bombed him I was like, oh fucking great. Mm-hmm. Now and the most people don't want it. That's the real problem. Most people in the country don't want it. Now look I'm no fucking Expert. I don't know what's going on over there, but I do know that all the people I know that really support Israel above everything else, they're fucking super happy about it.

Mm-hmm. And I'm like, but all the people I know that are like America first and or people that are like no new wars that really thought that we're gonna change things and this is all just for money, we're not gonna sacrifice soldiers for fucking money. Those people were all upset. I don't know really what's going on though. That's the problem. And uh I I really wish I understood

Iranian politics more and the the Iran Iranian military structure,'cause it seems like that's super fucking complicated. Like they've been preparing to be attacked like this forever. And so they have like all these layers Control. Like when this guy gets taken out, new guys are like ready to fill their spot. And then when we're negotiating with a new guy, Israel kills them. Like it's like the fuck is going on? And then what happened yesterday? They captured like twenty oil tankers.

Oh, did they? I didn't even see that. Yeah. That's a whole nother thing. On the toilet in one of the rare weak moments where I traveled to X. Yeah, it's uh I've been bo boy, I've been so healthy lately, last few months just staying off of fucking Instagram. Really. Sending off of Twitter. Just not reading anything. Yeah. Not anything. But Instagram started funneling me schizophrenics. Oh.

I don't know how. I followed one schizophrenic. My name is Dolores. I am the r the the real granddaughter of JFK. The gold that's in the basement is all mine. They're trying to stuff shit inside my vagina. They wake me up in the middle of the night. Crazy people. Yeah. Not just one, but like a whole fucking series of them. And I started getting those a couple of weeks ago. And uh

Again, I might spend like ten, fifteen minutes, but it's all schizophrenic people. I'm like, I gotta get off of this. There's no reason It's interesting. It's what's crazy. That's what gets you hooked. I got this one lady, she she uh was is a she was a hooker and she's a crockhead and she thinks everyone's a man. Like so she sh she'll show up photos of all these different people. That's a fucking man. She just

Just fucking out to lunch. One guy thinks he's the rightful president of the United States and he wears like this a dirty old suit and you look in his eyes, like he's out there. The dude's gone. He lives in a completely different dimension than we do. And he's on Instagram. I'd start watching like sometimes street fights. Oh I watch a lot of those. There's a lot of those out there or the joke the pranks or the jokes or pets. It's like But they it's just a trap. Uh-huh.

And then an hour's gone. And you're like, what did I do for an hour? It's just terrible for you. But since I've been really good about it, I've just so much healthier. When I take like full days, like days off I feel so much better. And I'm like, w remember when we were in Hawaii? We we went to Hawaii a few years back and we went bow hunting and for Axis deer on Lanai and uh I broke my phone.

I don't know if you remember this but my phone just started calling people. Yeah I'd be like, Look at this, this is crazy. I'd hang up and start calling a new person. Hang up. So I had to get a new phone and it took like three days. And those are like three of the happiest days of my life. Yeah.

And then I'm like, Oh, I should just get rid of my phone. I was thinking that but I was like, Oh I can't wait for m till my phone gets here Well there's stu th where it's really handy is taking pictures of cool stuff. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah. And uh capturing those memories. That's yeah.

It's and if you have a question. Yeah. I love it for because I've always have a question about something. I love that Siri now, you could just press Siri and ask it a question. Like how many minutes are in a month? And it'll just tell you. Yeah. Like right up, ooh. Like you'd be driving on the car, you have a question, just press a button, and it gives you the answer. Yeah. It's fucking nuts.

How many times did you have a question and you're just like, I'll probably never figure that out. Exactly. But now no question goes unanswered. Yeah. You know, and uh you know, I'll use perplexity all throughout the day to just ask it questions'cause I'm just

Driving around or I'm sitting at home and I'm like, I wonder how that happened. And then just now you know, like instantaneously. Yeah. But the dealing with all the people stuff, that's that's where I checked out. I'm like, I'm not interested. I don't like it's like if you get a bowl of soup and there's little pieces of meat but most of the soup is shit, all right, I would recommend not eating that soup.

And that's what social media is like. It's like I get some meat out of it here and there. I get some interesting stories about science and some new discovery from the James Webb telescope. Like, whoa, this is fucking cool. And it'll send me down a nice rabbit hole where I'm like studying things and getting excited.

And then I just deal with some fucking kooks and and crazy people and shitheads and grifters and people are that are mad that people are white and people that are mad that people are black and like oh fucking Christ. It's exhausting. It's exhausting. Yeah. It's it's just eating soup with shit in it. Yeah. It's just like it's not worth it. Yeah. Speaking of which, you brought in some of that bear. Grab some of that, son.

And so a lot of people are of the opinion that black bear is not an edible meat. And that is that is incorrect. People can't hear you unless you're on that microphone. So also this Put that thing down and have a seat. Do you know who Casey Brooks is? So he killed a world record elk. That's right. Yeah, yeah. That giant one that thing is crazy. He does this is like super hot stuff. Uh Here's what it's called. What is it? Whatever. Everything you know need to know about well it's all I know.

But mighty Chilean chili. Yeah. It's a type of chili? Yeah, you put that on like when you're cooking steaks. Look at that. Oh look at that. Fucking elk, man. Oh my thing. Yeah. That thing is literally nuts. What was the score on that? It was like three eighty six or something. No four. Or no four eighty six. Yeah. Yeah. Whoa, this smells strong. Does it? Oh my god. Yeah. So these are the chilies. Oh, so this is uh Yeah, he said you don't need much. What did it say?

Says sprinkle this shit on everything. Yeah. I mean I don't know. Yeah, we don't use that. I learned how to e th do these just last year. Yeah. how to make a female because I had a little one that I blow on, so I never learned how to use a reed. Yeah, the mouth read. I definitely don't know how to make a L With the tube, I'm fucking terrible. Well let me see that. This is the old pack out skinner. So we got some of this. Tell me what I'm saying.

I've had it the last time you brought it. It's from the same um This is the same. Put your copy. This Whites up in Portland and this is Ronnie. Ronnie's the man. Portland, Oregon has a good wild game But is so good. Das ist fantastisch. Thank you, Ronnie. And then this is uh No trichinosis, right? Is trichinosis free? Then this is I mean. Have you ever tested yourself to for trichinosis to see if you have it? You might already have it. Or some bear jerky. You might have it and ignored it.

So, yeah. White's country meats, so we got sausage. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. Rendered bare fat right here. Um Clay Newcomb gave me something. Did he? Yeah. Okay. Have you ever used it? Yeah. Cooked uh steak. Okay. Great for searing steaks, you know, just like even beef tallow. Yeah. But it gives it a different flavor. For sure.

And also like the the bear in the spring, their fat is a little different, so it's it just reacts differently. I for make making the pepperoni and and rendering the fat, it just reacts a little differently because they've just come out of hibernation up there. This is a uh one of the big bear I just killed. And uh yeah, so it's just perfect timing for I guess rendering fat and making sauce. I was watching those videos that Jen was making from Bear.

Yeah. Where she smoked that bear for like twenty four hours. So good. Yeah. So good. They're like she's like a gourmet chef now with bear. Yeah, and then they had the meat church guy up there this last week. Yeah. And um so they were like You know, bear meat when you put a whole back ham on the Traeger, so she

She let it soak, marinate for four days, right? And I saw people saying, Oh, if you did shoe leather for four days, it'd be good. Whatever. I'm just telling you what it what it was. Four days, and then twenty hours of a slow cook on the Traeger. Best meat you've ever had. That's bear. And you know, there's like people talk about the settlers back in the day, they would eat bear and just kill deer for hides. That's great.

To make clothing because bear was superior meat. So people have fallen into this trap of like believing that bear meat isn't good and it's amazing. Well, it's because of Yogi. Yeah. Yogi fucked us. Probably. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Who's that? Smokey. Smokey. Smokey the bear, Yogi. Yeah. They fucked us. Yeah, they did. And Disney. Disney fucked us. Um anthropomorphizations of animals where they turned them into sweet, you know, beautiful creatures that talk to you. Yeah.

We would have a completely different idea of animals and that would be a much more realistic idea of animals. For sure. Which I think most hunters have. You love them, you respect them, but they all have to be mad. I sent Whitney Cummings a video that they got in um Santa Monica the other day uh of a mountain lion in someone's backyard. Big fucker. Just laying in the grass in this dude's backyard. In Santa Monica. If you don't learn anymore, but I can't eat too much. Oh yeah. What's good, dawg?

That's a jalapeno cheddar. How's it taste? The one the first one I had was jalapeno cheddar. Yeah. It's fucking great. It was really good. Yeah, and I know what people saying. Oh, you can make anything. Look at that. That's the cat in the backyard. Oh man. That fucking nuts, man. Look at his eyes. Fuck you, man. Fuck you. Yeah.

Meanwhile they build a stupid bridge for them and it's uh way over budget. It's over a hundred million dollars now for the stupid fucking bridge so they can cross we have to make sure that the monsters can get across the highway safety. Sure. I am of a completely different opinion. I say put one of those fucking big ass grills on your car like I have on my Land Cruiser and let's hope we get a few of them. Yeah. So they don't kill people's dogs. Mm-hmm. Look at it right there.

Yeah, it's fourteen. for that is bananas. Look where it is. Like look how dense, look how dense the housing is there. There's a mountain line right there. And they think a mountain line is gonna go find this bridge. Well they they probably will eventually find the bridge. But there's a bunch of retards that'll still make their way across the highway and they're supposed to get hit. That's that's nature. Figure it out. Yeah. Figure it out.

Yeah, figure it out or die. There's too many of them. They they're so unrealistic about their mountain lines. Ja. That's what we talked yeah, we talked about that last time. And it's like I just wonder what is you know, what's the goal because now you know I wore this shirt today because now public land is again back at the Yeah, what is going on? This Mike Lee guy? yeah that same guy Same fucking guy from he he's trying to like This is a Utah guy, right? The Utah guy.

So right now is like there's this this bill that was gonna be introduced. It was like talking about wildfires essentially. Um, but it's like uh What he's done is he's tied in this public land piece to it. Well like they always do, there's always these other provisions tied into with all these bills, right? Right. And uh you don't really know what you're agreeing to or what you're not. Um, but he he put in this uh roadless area section.

'Cause there's four hundred or forty five million acres of roadless area that he wants access to basically They're not saying this or saying for some other reason. I think oh here's what they said. We have so many acres of of roadless area that to fight wildfires we need roads. Okay? They don't care about fighting wildfires. Or development. Maybe development, but development's a tough sell in a lot of those wilderness areas. But what's not a tough sell Yeah. Like oh just the air.

They say that's the thing. A rant is that was supposedly affordable housing, which like years ago I went back and talked to Jason Chafus. He was uh he was a representative there in Utah. And I went back there and spoke to him and be at that time it was about uh surplus acreage. So there's three million surplus acres nobody's using. Someone told me that has something to do with the Mormon religion.

That the Mormon religion has a philosophy about selling land that's very different than our philosophy. I'm not sure. Public land. Somebody told me that. See if there's any Reality. that the Mormons almost have like a mandate to try to sell land. Mm-hmm. I don't know if that makes any sense. Um this is not my thought. Someone told me this and I was like, Wait, what? And I don't think I ever looked it up.

Right. That I do that too. I've I'm like, I'm I need to look that up and then I never never do and then I never know anything more. But Yeah, so I went back, talked to Jason. At that time it was uh surplus acreage, then this time it was affordable housing, now this time it's wild, wild fire fighting. Which if you get into the weeds on fighting wildfires, it's there's the National Forest Service already has

ten billion dollars of road work they need to do on roads that are failing right now. So they're saying you're gonna add more roads to the ten billion dollars worth of work that the roads already need maintenance on. Don't think so. Um What what they're going to do is And then also if you make roads, the s the stats say eighty five to ninety percent of fires are started within a half mile of road of a road. So it's not the wilderness areas that

are in danger that we need to figure out how to fight fires back there. There's hardly any fires back there. It's always about the roads we've created that we can't maintain. That's where the the fires are starting, right? Right, because it's usually people. It's it's it's human cause. Ninety percent of the time it's human. That's only like a small percentage of fires that can't be fought.

Some Utah politicians who are members of the LDS Mormon Church have pushed proposals to sell or transfer federal public lands, but this is a political movement, not an official LDS Church program, and other Mormon groups openly oppose it.

So Utah's see more disinformation somebody try to feed me. And I kinda helped spread it. Utah's heavily dominated by federal land. Forty two percent of the state is managed by the Bureau of Land Management alone, even more under other federal agencies because so much federal So much of Utah's federal fights over whether to retain, transfer, or sell some of that land is especially intense there.

Yeah, this next part is about Mike Lee which Conservative Utah Republicans such as Senator Mike Lee have proposed budget or legislative plans that would make millions of acres of Western public land eligible for sale, arguing it would boost housing or local economies. The housing thing is like, hey man, fuck you. No. You're not putting houses in the mountains. I don't believe you. Well I think most likely what you're doing is there's natural gas out there or minerals out there or something.

First of all they'd have to build infrastructure out there in the mounds which you know, water, power, all that's not gonna happen. What is this Wyoming thing? Says that Wyoming case would have been the first time a registered national historic site was sold into private ownership, which is why it drew attention. What what are they referring to though?

Oh a national historic site among Oregon Trail could end up in the hands of private owners at the request of members of the Church of Jesus Christ Latter day Saints. Oh so the church tried to purchase public land. So down down to that next one it says L D S teachings require strong stewardship and is explicitly advocate preserving and protecting the public lands. So That goes against the right.

Like what he's doing. And I think he's like beholden to Trump. Trump's like his errors for this public land thing because Trump doesn't give a fuck about public land. But his son does. This is what doesn't make any sense. Like his Donald Trump Jr. Does he listen to anybody? I don't know To me about psychedelics. Well that okay. We'll talk to him about this then.

Is that again with sneaky roadless rule amendment? Yeah. Yeah. Well maybe if I see him this weekend, well I will see him this weekend, but maybe I'll talk to him about that. There was a there was a sentence in there that I just saw it says ninety nine per c right here, nine right in the middle, ninety nine percent of Americans oppose repealing the rules of this rule. Okay. So

why they work for us. Isn't it isn't that right? So the reason why I got to this is because you talked about the mountain lions. It's like why don't they listen to people Do like the public. The public would say yeah, we probably need to hunt mountain lions, keep them manageable. Uh I'm opposed to that. I'm opposed to the ballot box biology. No, me too.

But I'm just wondering, like with this this roadless rule, they didn't ask the public anything. Right. And ninety nine percent of the public oppose it. Yeah, that's way th I think I would say way more people oppose that than oppose Yeah, I I'm good with okay. So on your point then, I want biologists making the decision on hunting. 100%.

don't want politicians making the decision on land use. So that's that's all I'm yeah. That's all I'm saying. It's like let's have experts in the field decide these things. It's like Who was the expert in the field who decided the White House needs a ballroom? Uh me. I I called in. No. But it's like how are these decisions being made? Like this Rhodes rule, this was like a last minute add-on that n the public did not get a chance to vote on. How is that how is that okay?

No, it's not okay. It's it's super fucking sneaky and I think all of our position should be like your t shirt. The Teddy Roosevelt position. Not one acre. Like we have a amazing system here. We do. The public land system in the United States is completely unique to the rest of the world. It's very different.

and the fact that you can go out there and that is your land. If you are a citizen of the United States of America, public land is your land and you have access to incredible wilderness, beautiful places and If you've got the endurance and the ability to go deep in there, you could go to places where there's no fucking people and it's unbelievably pristine wilderness and it's owned by the entire country. And we gotta keep it that way. We can't We can't let that slippery slope

get get into play. As soon as they start giving away some of it or selling away some of it, they'll they'll fucking keep going. Yeah. What once su once you lose something, you don't get it back. Ever. And this especially with this public land, like at this time when when we all came together, it was outdoorsman in all regards. It was hunting, hiking, fishing. Uh whoever, uh recreators. Yeah.

What it's like people who just love and appreciate public lands. We all came together, shot it down, and the public sentiment was was vicious, right? And they couldn't ignore it. We need the same thing now.'Cause at this time I know we did so much, everybody came together, but when they do these

They wear us down with these these last minute deals and add on these things'cause it's like how many things can you keep fighting and fighting and fighting and you're like, I thought we already got this. Didn't we solve this already? And now it's back. Well, I think that's one of the reasons why they keep so many fucking balls in the air at the same time is because you can't fight at all. You know, it's like do you really care about the Epstein files or do you care about UFO Discord?

Yeah, I know. Who? The UF UAPs? We're gonna have a big meeting on Monday. We're gonna have a big release on Wednesday. Okay. So I think they took d to me it seems pretty nefarious that they're like say, Oh, we got all these fucking dipshits worried about this roadless rule. Okay, we can distract some of'em with aliens. We've got an alien stuff, all right. Okay. Oh we could uh uh we could distract some of'em with fighting. We got the White House fight coming up, okay.

And now all of a sudden now it's way quieter'cause they've distracted some of these core core groups with this other bullshit, right? And it's the bread and circus thing. And like I kind of agree with Bryce Mitchell who said this that it's not for the White House to be putting on sporting events. That's not we hire the government to run our country, not entertain us.

True. Yeah. No, I look, I don't like it because I think they should be fighting indoors always. I think world championship fights at the highest level should be fought in a controlled environment. That's it. It's gonna be sick. It's gonna be I'm gonna walk. I have two sk like people think oh Rogan's negative aga nope, I'm not negative, but I'm not positive either. I don't if it was me, if I was running the the UFC, I would never run the UFC. But if I was running the UFC, I would have never

Yeah. I would have said we can't do it. They have to be in a controlled environment. We can't have a world championship fight. We can't have someone win or lose because they're outside and it's muggy. Yeah. That doesn't make any sense to me. It's gonna affect the grappling. It's gonna be like hot oil wrestling. Everyone's gonna be sweaty as fuck. Oh yeah. It's gonna be completely different than and also your endurance is gonna be less No no submissions going probably gonna happen.

Well th in other maybe but also you can get under a neck way quicker. Oh right. Slide your arm through there. Yeah. cinch up a rear naked choke with someone sweating. You get get it right under the chin. Yeah, that'd be tough. It slides in there. Most grapplers would not prefer that. Most grapplers would prefer an air conditioned arena like normal. It should be fucking seventy two degrees, just like it always is. You know, it should be air conditioned like it always is.

But even the the controlling the hands,'cause you know like if you're top or bottom, like the big part is like the wrist control. But like if if you're sweaty In the old days dudes used to lie down in a bathtub filled with baby oil. Yeah. And then they would wash it off and so then they would uh you know get warmed up and then when they would start sweating the baby oil would come out of their pool.

'Cause it's like when you soak in baby oil for hours, I'm not accused of any individuals doing this, but I know for a fact it happened. And guys would be completely greased up. And you could wipe'em down with a towel, it wouldn't matter. I mean the grease is everywhere. It's in their fucking thing. And as soon as they start sweating, you try to get a hold of them, it's just weep. It's like trying to hold on to a fucking salmon in the middle of the water. They just slip right out of your finger.

Well, that happens too if you eat McDonalds all the time. Just kinda grease out your pores. So they should try that. Maybe that'll work. I think that'd affect your performance more. But the uh the the sweat is gonna be a big issue. The outside, the bugs, that's gonna be a big issue. Yeah. I am. Another forecasting around two o'clock rain, three o'clock thunderstorms, seven o'clock rain. It looks great.

By eight o'clock it's only showers. Don't be a pussy. Just showers. Do Yeah, maybe they'll cancel it. Look, I think if they canceled it and moved it indoors, it'd be better for everybody. I don't like it. I think I the idea was like they want the the octagon, the White House behind it. Yeah. For image and everything like that, it's gonna be dope. The card is sick. It's a fucking amazing card. The card I mean it's only seven fights and all of them are bangers from the opening one with

Steve Garcia and Diego Lopez, bam, right off the gate. It's like Bowden Nickel and Kyle Dawkins, bam, right off the gate. I mean it's it's gonna be a sick fucking card. The card's amazing. I I that does look incredible. That's the lightning catcher that they put over the Yeah, it's gonna be nuts. It's gonna be nuts if it happens. But if it rains like crazy, you know. But I mean everybody will love it if it rains. All the the people who hate it, yeah, it rained on those mega fucks. Oh god.

We root in our country, man. I know. It's uh very divided time. Oh it's Yeah, but like I said, my... concern is for the athletes. Uh a fighter's career is very short. A loss is devastating. And to not have perfect conditions to fight in I think is crazy. Yeah. But It's also gonna be sick. It's like being there is gonna be nuts and maybe it's worth it. I don't know. We'll find out. Well, y you gotta hand it to Dana for going big like he always does. He always does. I mean you know they

He was at w the the sphere in Vegas, right? It's like wasn't that was out of the box, but it was amazing. Yeah, that was sick. But that was a one time only thing. That was so much money. But this is a one time only thing supposedly too. But apparently Trump doesn't want to take the octagon down. What's to leave it up? I don't know, man. Great. Have guys like, you know, come in and train at the White House for a couple of weeks, that'd be the next gimmick. I mean why not? Fuck it.

Yeah, it's just... Yeah. It's a crazy time. Wha what Biden could have a giant L B G T flag in front of the White House and have trans people pulling their breasts out. Remember that? Uh I know. I'll take I'll take this over that. It's like all of it is silly. Yeah. It's all silly that should have nothing to do with the White House. This should have nothing to do with the White House. Right. But you know and then there's a lawsuit right now.

Trying to sue to keep the UFC out the way. They'll probably lose. Yeah. I don't I'm not a lawyer. I don't know. But I would imagine they're not gonna win. I'm a huge fighting fan, UFC fan. I you know, Dana White is like an icon. I love all the fighters. I just love everything about it. It's uh I just you know, I kind of agree with Bryce Mitchell's take on it, which you can get in trouble with agreeing with him'cause he has a lot of takes. But uh but on this one I I kinda get it and um

Yeah, I mean I don't blame the fighters at all for jumping to this opportunity. No. It's like the whole world's gonna watch. It's gonna be probably the most watched sporting event. Maybe in history. I mean uh it's on Paramount, so it'll be on C B S as well, right? So it'll be probably avail is it on C B S?

So it's on C B S as well. So it'll be available to everybody. And then all the haters are gonna watch it too. Oh for sure. So it'll probably be covered on CNN and what a disaster it was. And they've already talked a a lot about how I'm not into it. But I I have to be honest about what I'm into and what I'm not into. I can't just agree with something if I don't agree with it. I'll be respectful.

You know, I'm obviously a huge fan of the UFC and it's always an honor to work for them and uh I love it. But I don't like it. But I'll still Yeah when I'm there I'm like oh this is sick. Oh And maybe after it's over I'm like they were right. Or maybe it'll be like Oh it fucking rained. It was a what a shit show. Yeah. It was lightning that canceled the fights. It was a huge disaster for CBS. It's live sports. It's like you never know.

I mean if they pull the entire audience out and just have the guys fight in the cage under the the canopy Yeah, that's like Apex style. Now I like it. Now I like it. No crowd, just us, just me, DC and Anic. That'd be pretty fun. Now I like it. Now I like it. And you know, we're protected by the rain but everybody else isn't, so they all have to leave.

Fuck yeah.'Cause I think it's gonna be also a lot of like look at me people gonna dress up nice for it and like'cause they know they're gonna be on television and then it's you know, I get it. But I it's really a for me it's about the fight. There's there's gigantic fights on that card. The Justin Gacy Iliotoporia fight, I am very interested in that fight. I'm very interested in that fight. I really wish it was like at the T Mobile or Madison Square Garden or whatever, but

Who cares? I I that's a fight I have a lot of questions about. I need to see that fight happen. I mean Justin's quite a bit bigger, but Ilya is so skilled. Bro, he's I watched uh a whole um I watched his entire career last night. Mm-hmm. So there was a the UFC put out a video about Ilya saying uh is Ilya Taporia the goat? And it goes from his f first fight um uh in the UFC deeper into his career and then you you see his last three fights and you're like, Good lord. Yeah.

Like the he was awesome when he first entered the UFC but he just kept getting better. So the use of salal fights, the first fight, that goes to a decision, you know, um and and then um you you watch the progression, he starts KOing people. His last three KOs over the biggest stars. Yeah. Yeah.

Who who Charles. Charles Overa, one of the greatest of all times. Max Holloway, one of the greatest of all times. And then Alexander Volkonovsky, the greatest featherweight of all time. Yeah. Like fucking crazy. Knocked him out. Knocked all three of them out. How? That's one of the greatest resumes of all time. CBS won't air UFC White House event. Viewers would need Paramount Plus to watch. What happened? Do they back out of it? Huh?

Oh. They would not televise it. Uh that means you I wonder if like Paramount White decided uh cited the plan to tell America story during the show as the reason CBS would not be involved. What? The plan to tell America story. That doesn't even make sense. What does that mean? Uh we don't want to talk about America's story on C B S? No, because there's only X number of fights and it starts from the first one, White said. We start at the beginning of time.

and like the Mexican Independence Day fight, we're gonna have the story of America from the first fight to the last, so no, they'll all be on Paramount. So it's gonna start out with European settlers coming over and giving everyone smallpox. And then you're gonna see all the Indians die and then we're gonna go, Oh, look at all these buffaloes'cause there's no one there to kill'em and then we're gonna see people come across on wagon trains and kill each other. It should be fun. Yeah.

gonna be a very accurate story of how the United States started. It'll start from b back when we fucked up Mexico in like what was that, eighteen sixty one to get Texas. No, what year did they w no, it was like eighteen twenty one, wasn't it? Like that th that Mexico owned Texas. Well we'll start from the beginning. We'll go all the way to buying Alaska for like fifty bucks. Yeah. Why wouldn't you want to do it? It'll be good. It'll be good. It'll be great.

It yeah, it's uh I don't know, it's it's gonna be a spectacle for sure. I'll be tuning in. Yeah. But I'll be there. Yeah. You're at the White House all the time now. I've been there a couple of times. Ha ha ha. Yeah, it's weird. It's very weird. It's also very weird because um as much as people hate Trump and hate his decisions and hate what he's doing and hate how he talks and

My experiences with him personally have always been fun, unfortunately. Yeah. Unfortunately for everybody else. Like uh, you know, if he likes you and y you're on his good side, he's a fun guy to be around. This has a lot of fun shit. The fucking man loves America. He genuinely does. He really does. Like he wants to make the White House look better. He wants to build this ballroom'cause he wan like he has good intentions in terms of America. It's just

There is not a single fucking person that's ever taken the job of the president of the United States that's loved by everybody. Yeah. But his the the issues that he's having right now is a lot of the stuff that is going on in this country is contrary to what people voted for. And that's what people are upset about. The war the war specifically. You know, we voted for protecting the border.

Um Yeah. Man or American manufacturing, um, protecting America's interests like with trade, with um just protecting people's jobs so we have a a way to to work and provide for our family. America first. That was what that sounded good to me. And it feels like this isn't any of that. Like I it feels like even his administration at first, I was just like, oh fuck, these are some this is good. But it feels like if you go against him in any way, you're fucking gone.

Well it's that for sure, and then it's also you know, the amount of political pressure You know, you have to make deals, right? So you got the pharmaceutical drug companies that are trying to squeeze this in there and then you got the oil companies trying to squeeze that and the military is trying to squeeze this and

And there's a lot of compromises that have to be made and that's where things get dark. Yeah. Because there's people that come in with these ideas that we're gonna fix this and clean that. Like I've had long conversations with R F K. And that guy's in struggle all day. It's a battle all day. Yeah. It's dealing with all these pressures and

Look, they've made a lot of headway. They've made a lot of headway with with peptides. They made a lot of headway with uh eliminating some of these uh unnecessary food dyes and all these different things that we've been subject to but

They lost with glyphosate. Yeah. And that was a big one, man. Glyphosate was a big one. It's poison. You know, I've got a guy coming on who's uh an expert in it that's gonna talk about it soon. And it it is the the people that are gaslighting you to say it's not an issue We don't really know how much of the health problems that a lot of people have who consume uh glyphosate ridden products have.

We don't know how much it's affecting you. What is it taking away from your immune system? What is it taking away from how much is your body processing this fucking toxic herbicide that's in your system versus I mean, how much of that is contributing to people's health problems? There's a lot of people that think that that's what a lot of this gluten allergy shit is. That people are just w reacting to bromate and pesticides and herbicides.

But i what's that stat with Iowa being the center for glycophate basically with all the agriculture there and then that's like the hotbed for cancer. Yeah. I mean you don't have to look very far to see that connection. No you don't. No. Well you know, that was also back in the day when People were when people talk about the polio epidemic, you can't talk about the polio epidemic without also talking about spraying of D D all over the fucking country. Because D D poisoning has the exact same

reaction the body has the exact same reaction as polo, as paralytic polo. Polio. Polo. Polio. Yeah. You know, the disease. Like there's this woman who wrote a great book on it, um uh Suzanne Humphreys is a called uh Dissolving Illusions. And it's all about that and all about like d f first of all, they they were spraying it behind cars in streets where children were playing. And people were getting I remember seeing kids like running through it.

But it wasn't just people that were getting polio. This is part of the problem with the narrative that it's polio. Animals were getting polio. Like animals were getting polio, but they don't get polio. It doesn't spread to animals. But the horses and fucking cows were getting paralyzed. They were getting the same symptoms. Because it's fucking DDT poisoning. Yeah. Now here's the craziest one. What percentage of polio is asymptomatic? Meaning you get it and you have no symptoms. Hm. I don't know.

Ninety five to ninety nine percent. Really? Yeah. So it's people have it. This it's DDT. Yeah. It's DDT. That I mean look, it's not saying that some people that are very sick and immune compromised get polio and get fucked up and die. Of course, polio is bad.

Thousands of people die every year from the flu. Flu's bad. Right? Okay, but you know what else is bad? DDT. And you know what's what else is going on when everybody was going through this whole polio epidemic? Fucking spraying DDT everywhere. And most people are ignorant. Yeah. And you bring it up, they call you conspiracy theorists, but it's fucking fac Yeah. Yeah. It's undeniable. Well, I I was like you know, the

Controlling the weather. I was like, that's conspiracy. But then I started seeing the planes like laying the fucking clouds out. Have you seen it? Have you seen it? Yes and no. Okay. So I actually did a show on this. You did? Yes. I did a not a an episode of the podcast. I did an episode of Joe Rogan Questions Everything. Remember that show that I used to do back in the day?

We did a whole episode on chemtrails and one of the things we found first of all The reason why it looks like that, this is just a fact. The reason why it looks like that is there's condensation in the atmosphere. You have a hot jet engine, it's passing through this cool air, and the hot jet engine and the cool, wet air creates clouds. Yeah. Those clouds are real. It's artificial clouds. Right. Also they spray shit in the air. Yeah. Oh, two things are happening.

Okay, yeah, because you see the normal planes, you see the normal jet stream, and you're like, okay, checks out. Then you see the other ones and it's a different jet stream. Yeah, but it doesn't matter. The col the c the condensation in the atmosphere is inconsistent. But they're making Clouds are inconsistent. But you can we we watched them the other day make laps.

But it might not be the same plane. It might just be a route. Right? You're not watching the entire plane go all the way down land and come back. No no. Right. But you're watching consistent. Yeah. Yeah. But that's why it looks like that. But it's just days where there's a lot of condensation in the atmosphere. Dude, I'm telling you. Those planes, if you look at a southwest flight and look they're not spraying. Okay.

Some planes spray shit. And there are some weather modification experiments they do that are completely top secret. They don't let anybody know about it. They do cloud seeding. They cause floods. Look at what happened with fucking Dubai. Right. You ever see that Dubai shit where Lamborghinis are floating down the highway? Yeah. That is people fucking with the environment. What I thought was consp conspiracy before. Which I don't now.

No, it's real. Well Abu Dhabi does it every week. Abu Dhabi makes it rain every week with cloud seeding. Mm-hmm. And because they're rich. They're like, fuck it, make it rain. And so there's there's real weather modification. Now that's there's cloud seeding and then there's experimental shit. Like some of the shit that like Bill Gates was talking about, like spraying reflective particles in the atmosphere to block out the sun. Like Hey fuck face.

Yeah. Who are you to make a decision for the whole world? to cool the world. You didn't even graduate college. Shut the fuck up. Like this is crazy. And also the unintended consequences of any action that has never been taken before. Like Cooling off the fucking planet. What if this dipshit starts the next ice age and everybody fucking dies? Right. I know. I'm in.

Get the fuck out of the air. Leave us alone. Stop playing God. You don't know what you're doing. And also do you have any money invested in any of these projects? For sure. We talk about all the stuff. Oh, I I didn't want to say this. So for public land, I want to say this is part of my note. Call your senators, say you want the roadless rule kept intact. Say we don't want to get rid of of the forty-five million acres that

that are gonna be protected with the roadless rule, but to call your senators is two zero two two two four four four four four three one two one. Say say you uh you want the roadless rules kept intact. And We have to we have to let our voices heard. Our voice were was heard on this not one acre. We won that one. We have to do it again. You have to call your senators and say and and just voice your concerns. Slippery slope. Yeah. You can't let'em have any ground.

But like w what I um H here's what this thing was really pissed me off because As I said, the administration at first I thought, okay, we got some we got some good pipe hitters in there. It feels like They do what Trump says. If they don't, they're gone. They're like they're the scapegoat for whatever failed. They're out of there. Um, you can see the writing on the wall. Like I don't I was

I wanted Tulsi to get in there and kick ass'cause I knew how she felt about the war in Iran and and like that would a how detrimental that would be. So I was like I I believed in her and now with her husband getting sick and now she's out of there, but it feels like People are It's like if you stand up for something, you're gone. And now they got this Mark Wayne Mullen in there who just two days ago for this road roadless rule, he unwinded thirty one laws that were gonna protect

the the public land, right? Just thirty one laws. He just said, yeah, those aren't gonna apply anymore'cause we need to they awarded a one point seven billion dollar contract to build a wall in Texas at Big Bend National Park. one point seven million doll billion dollars has been awarded and it wasn't even bid to build this wall in Big Bid National Park here. It's like, how? The public doesn't want that. We don't want a fucking wall. They're saying for border protection.

And if you look at like where the border crossings are, it's not in the middle of the fucking park. So what do you think that wall's really for? I don't know. Fucking up national the national park, one of the most pristine places in Texas. I don't know what the goal is. But Have you read into it though? Is there any arguments pro and con that the one? Well I'm sure there is. I'm sure it's for border protection. I mean m maybe Jamie can look it up.

Yeah, let's see if there's is there like a There was no pu public input on it again. That's a problem. And then the the problem is again, they can come up with reasons why you know, they have to make some new laws because, well, we gotta protect people. Yeah. And that's how the slippery slope began. Is the COVID like, you know, safe and effective, protect your communities? It's like you gotta do this for safety. Well it's the same thing.

Trump administration will bypass environmental laws for border project in Big Bend National Park. So what is does it say what the argument for it is? According to preliminary federal notice, latest regulatory waiver will apply to more than one hundred miles of US Mexico border. So it's a border wall. Yeah. From near clow uh near the Closed Canyon Trail in Big Ben Ranch State Park through the entirety of Big Ben National Park into remote parts

of southeastern Brewster County. In the notice Homeland Security, Mark Wayne Mullen wrote the administration is bypassing a wide range of laws to ensure the expeditious expeditious construction of barriers and roads along the southern border. While US Customs and Border Protection continues to insist it will not build a thirty foot tall

steel border wall in either the state or national park. The agency's current plans call for a mix of vehicle barriers, surveillance technology, and patrol road upgrades in the parks is a part of a project dug Dubbed Big Ben Four. So this is like not not listening to the experts again. Six former superintendents of Big Ben National Park pinned a letter to Mullen urging him not to take such a step. So again, not listening to the experts, just like the ballot box biology

just doing whatever the fuck they want. Doesn't matter what the public or the expert things they're gonna thinks they're gonna do it, award these bids to the probably some construction outfit this guy's invested in for one point seven billion dollars with no bid. It's like how is this How is this okay?

Yeah. It's very I don't understand it. Is there a lot of crossings in there no there's not that's the thing they have where all the crossings happen there's like this tiniest percentage in that part 'Cause it seems like it's probably a very remote area of Mexico that it connects to as well, right? So it'd be very difficult to get through that way. And also if you're gonna get through that way, like good lord. Right. You're going into What tough country.

Yeah, and you know, that's that's good elk country down there. I know people who hunt and like Good. Yeah. D I I don't know. It's uh so if you look at the millions of Americans who treasure Big Bend, you know, they don't want construction down there. And especially if if we voted on it, fine. If there was a reason, fine. But it was never voted on.

Yeah, it says uh the horrific plans are an affront to the millions of Americans who treasure Big Ben. Lakin Jordal, uh an advocate for with the Center for Biological Diversity said in a statement. Politicians who've never set foot here are signing a death warrant for this wild and beautiful place. Yep. Yeah. And that's you know, I've heard somebody, you know, pretty close with Trump tell me that He's never walked on dirt before. Come's never worked on dirty. Please go. Yeah. Yeah.

No not on his course. But the but the point is it's like somebody who doesn't appreciate public land, uh they don't give a fuck about that. No, they don't give a fuck and they don't they're not gonna see it and they never would see it. There as well. Same spot. Same spot. Yeah. Look, um, they have to protect the border, but if there's not a lot of crossings there and all of a sudden you want to spend all this money to build a steel border, like who's getting the contract? Yeah.

And just to award that with no bid, it's just not that's not I wor I was a a public buyer. That's not how it works. You're spending public money You can't just spend public money without a bid. Right. I mean, but they bypass all this shit that has the checks and balance in place to ensure that we're making good decisions with public money, and they bypass it all.

And then you know who suffers here? It's the people who don't have like so some people they go to the park for mental health. They wanna go camp. They want it's like they might not have two nickels to their name, but they're in appreciating nature. That's why public land is so important because that gives purpose to people like me who's less like, I gotta get out of this shithole city and go recharge, right?

So for people who don't appreciate that or care about that, that's that's wasted land. It's like we could have a shopping mall, we could have investors doing this, we could have make this work. 'Cause right now they they would say that, well, not everybody can can uh um take advantage of this because you have to hike, you have to do these things. So we wanna make it more accessible so more people can enjoy it. No. Yeah. That's that's not how it works.

You're gonna fuck it up. Yeah. You can't just have helicopter landing plaids all over the fucking woods. There's your contract. Spike in border wall spending goes mostly to two firms with GOP White House ties, construction contracts including two point six billion dollars awarded this week. are being awarded to at a historic scale, through a streamlined process that could put Trump on track to realize his vision for a border wall.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. See that streamlined process? Uh that was bypassing thirty-one law. So what's there now? Like what is the border now between Mexico and the United States in that area? Is it just land? Like you just walk right right across? It's probably the river. Okay. Just look at the map. Okay, yeah. And see what the map looks like. Okay, let's see. So that's where it is? So is that the river that blocks it? Right. But it's not that hard to get across that river, that one. Well.

I mean people aren't gonna go there. That's crazy. It's amazing. god that's so beautiful No, they're they're not going there. Where is the most border crossings? Well for a while it was like where they had that road where they were just letting people Most border crossings are in actually in Arizona. Really? I'm I'm almost positive. So I'm sure Jamie's gonna find it here. Yeah, find that out. Fucking one. Thirty. Eighty four billion dollars. Yeah. God.

I don't know. Just stuff like this. So what happens is like you get distracted with the Israel, the bombing of the girls school, the Epstein files, and then they do shit like this. Okay, the only official border crossing inside Big Ben National Park is the Bokia's port of entry and it sees on the order of about ten thousand legal crossings by visitors per year.

Plus a relatively small number of unauthorized crossings compared with other parts of the U.S. Mexico border. What exists in Big Ben? Big Bend National Park. Shares about one hundred and eighteen miles of border with Mexico along the Rio Grande. The only legal port of entry actually inside the park is Boquillas Crossing, small pedestrian only crossing to the Bokillas del Carmen, Mexico.

National Park Service information and travel videos describe Bokia's uh as handling roughly ten thousand visitor crossings per year. Yeah, those those are mostly all legal. So seven hundred and thirty four. Uh border patrol sector sees only a fraction of total southwest border crossings. One report cited three hundred and se uh seven hundred and thirty four people documented crossing.

in that sector by more than twenty seven thousand along the entire US Mexico border uh in a given period. And like what year was that? Where it was uh seven hundred thirty four. Was that before they shut down the the border. Was really crazy how many people came in the country. The fact that over four years it's north of ten million, and I've talked to people that think it's twenty Doesn't say. Wow. So it's not a hotspot of problem.

The last the last slide there said it says a smallest fraction if i is illegal. Of that seven thirty four, those were like total crossings in that area. A smallest fraction was illegal. So it's no, it's not as BS. Right. It's BS. And they're just gonna do it because they got a nice contract. And they're not going to be able to do Want a wall, beautiful wall. Yeah, but why not? Uh in the national park?

Um the Washington Post reported last week the skyrocketing border wall contracts now totaling more than nineteen point four billion in the last six months. have mostly gone to Bernard and Fisher. That's prompted a lawsuit against the Trump administration from a would be rival border wall builder who claims that the government doled out billions in contracts without genuine competitive opportunities. Yeah. I mean but that's what they're doing. No bueno.

No, and and so but but as I was saying, they distract us with all this other stuff and push through shit like this, like who knows what a Senate what the Senate or House is voting on on a fucking Tuesday? Well it was this public land thing. I you know, just add it in in the middle of the night. We have no no say on it. We're distracted with all this fights at the UFC with Israel doing whatever the fuck they're doing. And it's just like, Oh, we just lost all this public land too.

And it's like it's it's impossible to keep up on. That's what's frustrating. You know what's not frustrating? This bare meat. Ha ha. It's pretty fucking good. Yeah, that's that's a ma that's uh That's legit. Okay. No, now it's gonna go to the Senate. So it was in the House. The s then here's what here's the problem. Ciao! This was originally this uh roadless rule is bipartisan. Everybody agreed let's protect this. Now with

Mike Lee adding this language in there. Now it's turned um now there's lines in the sand. And nine um Republican senators voted with the Democrats on this to to allow it. The roadless rule to g to be in there. So now it goes to the full Senate. Now they're gonna need whatever the the percentage is, six I think sixty percent of a full Senate vote, um, for it to pass. So So now the scumbag lobbyists get involved.

Yeah. And they start pressuring people and help you do this and I'll do that and help me here and I'll help you there. When they get overwhelmed'cause of switchboards, if people call that two oh two number like I said, then that makes it to everybody. And What's that number again?

two oh two two two four four four four four four three four two one say you're you wanna keep the load roadless rule intact, you don't want to sell off public lands, you don't wanna this is all BS. Um they d they do this and um yeah the lobbyists get involved and what happens is like What happened with the big beautiful bill is this part was in there and Trump wanted it in there, but it was causing such a friction. He was just like, I want my big beautiful bill passed.

These guys are fucking it up with this public land stuff. Pull that out. Let's get this through. So they did. They pulled out this. We saved the public land. Who knows what what we lost? that that was also attached. But anyway, we saved public land at that time. They're gonna for affordable housing. Same thing has to happen here. He's got this language added into the shit that are already working on that changes

You know, we've had we've had this in place for decades and it and it's worked, right? So we have to say no, we're not down with this and they have to pull it out again. Well, I hope we can get it through. We'll push it. You got it up on social media where people can see on Cameron Haynes Instagram? I will for sure. But uh it's like Yeah, you know, it's this is so important because it it's so important to people without a voice. So it's like I feel sometimes like

How did I get in this position? I know you do too, like where you're at the White House. You're just like, how the how the fuck could somebody like me earn this opportunity? Right. You've earned it through decades and decades of work, of being curious, of being fair, of being positive, c of caring. And now people want to come on and share their thoughts with you. That gives you a platform. You've cre d the most powerful voice.

probably in the world at at in in some at some times. And so you get invited to the White House and I know, like for me, I know they've used me there before. Like, yeah, I I created value in myself. Um, they invited me there for Veterans Day and I said, No, I'm not going'cause I don't fucking agree with this war in Iran. I don't agree with all the shit. I don't wanna go and have a picture in the fucking White House so people could be like, see?

See, you you fucking you're part of this. You you know,'cause we did. We we thought that Trump was the best option at the last election. I did. I a hundred percent believed he was better. He might still have been the best offer. He m he might be. But it and and that's fine. We don't know what would have happened if the the Kamel Harris administration had been a continuation of the Biden administration.

I don't want people coming in the border unchecked by the millions. I didn't want that. I didn't want you know, this celebration of transgenderism. I have no problem with transgenders or cross dressers or any I have no problem or gay or anything like that. I just don't want it promoted just crazily to our youth. That's it. I don't want youth getting

Surgery that their parents don't know about because they can't have a say in it now. I don't I didn't want any of that. So of course I'm gonna vote for Trump, right? Now I don't like any of this shit. So I have the my right is to say, No, I'm not down with this. Right. And I'm not going to the fuck I'm not gonna be in your picture at the fucking White House so you can use it and and all the people who listen to me would be like, Oh well fuck So they wanted you to go for waste. That's right.

Veterans Day and what was the the premise of having you there? I don't know. But you're not a veteran, so what was the promise? It's only because I have a big Platform. So they're j gonna celebrate Veterans Day at the White House and they just said let's get some famous people? Probably. I mean it's it's you know remember the Epstein files where all the influencers had the binder? Well it was Pam Bondy. Yeah, but And there was uh But there's no There was a few other influencers.

But they use they they you they can use people like us for their messaging. And then they invited me back again after now I've been pretty critical of this administration just because I care and it's just like I don't have to agree with fucking lockstep with the person I voted for. That's our right as citizens to be like I voted for that, but I don't agree with this and I'm not happy about this and I'm and I want you to know that's that's our right as voters. What they invite you back again for?

This was back it was for pub a public land thing. And I'm like, yeah, I'm down for it, but I just know I had this this kid on Benji Backer. He's like uh has this this page this nonpartisan something for outdoors. But I did this show with him and I there was uh you know, bringing different people into debate public land or like to share why we care about public land. coming from different places, but it's still all important to us. And I did the show with him. Well

He went I had him on the podcast. He talked about his how he's working hard to protect public land. He went back and Trump signed an executive order, something about public land. And all it was was a pomp and circumstance photo op to get executive order. Nothing has happened to it. Nothing has happened with it. No action's been taken. It was like all it was was uh Just they can make a press clipping out of it. theater and nothing's gonna change. Nothing changes, nothing's protected.

So that's what I feel like a lot of these times if I get invited there it's for that. It's to is to make my base if I have a base, I d don't have a I'm not a politician, but to make my people like feel a little better about whatever's going on. And

I understand that's how it works. You want powerful people on your side, right? I'm not saying I'm powerful, but I have a a pretty big following. I just I just I went back there'cause it was a huge honor of like the few times that I've been back there and it's amazing and it's like being in the White House, somebody like me should never be there, but I've created value in my name in s in some ways that I get that opportunity. But that opportunity comes with a price. So now I have to think about

Am I true to what I believe in by showing support for this? And now it's too there's too much for me that I'm not happy with that I can't ignore it personally. So that's I feel like they use they use opportunities like that for you know, for press. Well th the th it seems like there's so many different people that want a piece of the pie. And if there's these giant contracts for border walls and giant contracts for this, it's just such an incentive to do things that people don't want.

Or what about the military drones? Those contracts when this war started. You can look into who who made money on that one. made money on that one. Should we look it up, Jamie? Drone military contract contract. Let's see who made money. I don't want to say. Uh but you know, huh? Okay. Well I don't know, so I'm I'm gonna be surprised. So uh Maybe, maybe not. But like when you follow the money

It makes a lot of sense. Of course. When you follow It always does. When you follow APAC, you're like, why is this politician always pushing this shit? Where do they get their money? Oh I know this guy back home. He's running for like this local politician thing. His name's Adam. He's like Junior what? What, Jamie? What did you find? Wait a minute. What did you do? This has gotta be a mistake. Eric and Don Jr. invest in military drone company amid Iran War. Jamie, where'd you find this?

That seems like propaganda from Iran or something. Is that a cartoon are they on cartoon uh propaganda again? Um no, but so anyway, you start uh I was talking about this local guy back home and he said that he goes I need to call Israel. He goes, It is so hard to get money for like to run as a in whatever, just a local election, but

You go to a business, they say, yeah, here I got eighteen dollars I can contribute, right? Where so you see these big politicians, you see how much money they're getting. It's like, wait, what's this APAC thing? What w why did they get millions? Oh, then you start wondering how they're voting on things. You're like, this is making a lot more sense. Yeah. It's like, where's the money coming from? Yeah they gotta take all that.

I don't know how you could at this point, but when you can influence politicians and influence who gets promoted to be voted for, who gets put out into the public eye in a in a uh in a great light, in a positive light, and then you realize all this money from corporations to get this person in or from other foreign countries to get this person in or from lobbyists to get this person in. And you're like, wait, what that why? That's not serving us.

How do you stop that at when did okay, here's a big question. When did money officially become a problem in politics? I know that's a very broad question, but put that in per perplexity and see what it says. What thing is that the case? United. Citizens United. Yeah. And that was twenty twelve. That changed it a lot, but it was always a problem before that. I mean there was always been uh like when did corporations become a real problem?

Like when did AIPAC become a problem? Like when did when did AIPAC form and when did they start donating to American politicians? Ja, es ist... First of all, I don't think any foreign government, anyone connected to a foreign government should have any influence whatsoever on American politics. I've I've heard our politicians say their loyalty is to Israel. That is crazy. I've sort I've heard people say that too. Twenty twenty two.

Twenty twenty two. They not direct d directly start donating to U.S. political candidates until twenty twenty-two. Fucking Jesus. So I if I if I don't I mean if I remember correctly, Trump didn't take any money from Israel his first election. And now he just gave an award to somebody You can see who who he just gave an award to. You give it a ward? What kind? One of them big ones? One of them nice ones that they put'em around your neck and you stand there in the Oval Office?

Yep. He just won the Olympics? who contributed two hundred and fifty million to his last election. Oh. So do you want an award? たさまちがら Okay, for the word, I'm good. But I don't I don't really want an award, I wouldn't know what to do with it anyway. So to me that i so you said like if Twenty twenty two. I would imagine APAC would have around I I would have thought I didn't know that actually. But when I look at like if you look at um Thomas Matt.

He got on the crosshairs of the president for whatever reason. He got they had a candidate they wanted him to lose to, and he did he did lose. Yeah, so here's the thing, we'll we'll get to that in a second. Here's the thing. Citizens United decision is widely seen as having created serious problems in US politics by vastly increasing the role of big money and reducing transparency. And so this was what year, Jamie? It was twenty twenty. Oh okay.

So twenty ten Supreme Court decision further tilted Yeah tilted political influence towards wealthy donors and corporations. That's when we got fucked. Yeah. I think that's when it started treating corporations. See that second bullet point? Supercharged packs which can take unlimited contributions from wealthy donors to spend unlimited amounts and inf so that's how they control the election. And that was the Obama administration. Dark money.

Dark money from groups that don't fully disclose donors have exploded. Voters often cannot see who's really funding major political campaigns. So we need to just fucking tune the way back machine to two thousand nine. But even then, like two thousand nine is after they bailed out the fucking banks. Well fifteen years later, Citizens United defined the twenty twenty four election. It's a slippery slope.

Yeah. Overwhelming majorities of Americans have consistently expressed disapproval of the ruling, with at least twenty two states and hundreds of cities voting to support a constitutional amendment to overturn. Citizens United reshape political campaigns in profound ways, giving corporations and billionaire funded super PACs a central role in US elections and making untraceable dark money a major force in politics.

And yet it may only be now in the aftermath of the twenty twenty four election we can begin to understand the full impact of the decision. And it and it's perfect too'cause Citizens United. So this is like the language they use to dupe us. Like, oh, Citizens United. Yeah, we're together. This is good, right? Just like the Patriot Act. Or like in Oregon that the hunting thing, it's called the peace act. Oh yeah. Tell talk about that'cause that one's bonkered.

Yeah, so this is nuts. So this is same thing. It's just it's follow the money. If you want to know why we're so fucked up, follow the money. Um So the I P twenty eight, this is a a crazy thing. They wanna Here's w here's where I I'll just explain Oregon real quick. Oregon is like a petri dish for these crazy ideas, for these political ideas. Like if you think of uh legalizing recreational drug use. You know, we did that in Oregon. Like heroin, meth, you can have that. It's fine. It's whatever.

I think they turn that back. But they tried it to see how it works in Oregon. It didn't work out so well. Right. Now this is another crazy one. But they try it in Oregon'cause it's very we've got a a huge liberal population in in Portland and Eugene and some of these and Salem. But uh Not just liberal. Yeah, they're they're more than just'cause I'm I'm I'm friends with liberals for sure.

gone. They're they're at the far end of the political spectrum on the left. For sure. They're full on communists, yeah, socialists, no meat. Everyone should be a vegan. They want everybody to get bitten by that tick. Yeah. about that too. We'll get to that in a minute. But um so the law, the the new thing, the bill they're trying to pass. IP twenty eight.

Uh, was it was it the May who was it the governor of Washington? Which which governor was it Oregon or Washington that tried to make it so that you have to have a fucking license to paddleboard? Oh, probably Washington. Can you fucking imagine telling someone that they have to have a license to paddle a fucking canoe? Yeah, well... Pay the state money to have a license to paddle a fucking canoe.

They also made it like during COVID like some guy was out fishing by himself in the lake. I think he got a ticket. A guy got arrested when he was uh surfing by himself in California. Right.

I it's just silly. But this IP twenty eight, they bill it as you know, on the so they'll they'll do this thing like go out to get these votes. They needed a hundred and seventeen thousand votes to get this on the So to to get a hundred and seventeen thousand people to sign your petition, um Basic all it said was stop an animal cruelty. All you have to do is go to Portland and visit one homeless shelter.

Hey, do you want to stop animal cruelty? Right. Okay. Yeah, I love animals. Well, I love animals too. Oh, he signed this. So they didn't tell you that it's making, you know, you can't fish, you can't hunt, you can't raise animals. Like Ranchers. Just like even ranchers who sell beef, you can't do it. They're making it like even the breeding of animals, like you we breed cows, we breed horses, um, there's stud fees, there's different things that make

better race like like uh race horses, but there's also better product for for beef, right? So we control like when uh when a cow goes in the heat or when he gets bred, things like that, that's part of like being a rancher. Well they wanna make that like'cause a cow didn't agree to it, it's like rape. It's like sexual assault.

Like you can't control when animals breed. So that takes away ranching. There is no ranching, right? So they want to make it to where they're not going to make eating meat illegal, but if people can't raise it You're buying it from some other state at a higher price to get it. Yeah. Oregon. Yeah. So it's it's killing the whole industry. And

They could say that like even if you if you hurt an animal um I don't know what like you you could get charged with assault. So this is they want every animal treated like your family pet or dog. And Yeah, yeah. I was wondering like if you're you know how you're driving a car and like sometimes a bird flies in front of you? Right. Yeah, that. You're responsible for your vehicle.

So this guy who introduced this, this is the third attempt at doing this, he knows he's not going to get the vote. Because how it worked to get on the viol ballot, they take six percent of the votes cast in the last governor governor election. So six percent of the last votes casted, so it's a small number, but it's a hundred and seventeen thousand. Um

They can get that many by just saying stop animal cruelty. Now it goes to the ballot. Um, but he knows this is his third time, he knows this isn't gonna pass. But it's like it just tells them what they need to work on, what language they need to change. It's all part of this long term process to get hunting and fishing stopped, right? Because I think like in general

The government, they like consumers. They don't like people being too uh um self sufficient, they like'em relying on that. This is another step like if we can get rid of ranchers, hunting and fishing. Don't need the guns, don't need to be killing stuff. Then you're just like, we'll provide the meat for you. Bill Gates owns all this land. You talked about Bill Gates before and him making decisions on shit he doesn't know anything about. He dropped out of college.

But did you say he dropped out of college? Or yeah. So it's uh it's they want to be able to control who's who's providing the food, who's making the money, what type of food it is, um, you know, it's like it goes back to the whole W C thing. It's like you will own nothing and be happy. It's like that's they want these smart cities working towards that to where no, you don't need to be a badass hunter anymore. We we got it. Right. That's all it is.

And then you'll get a bunch of people that are pushing money, packs that are pushing money towards these people to fund them to push these wacky ideas. You go, why would they do that? They want you dependent on that. Right. And this is part of this process where it doesn't happen overnight and this thing won't won't make it into law for sure. But they'll see where they're at.

This'll be like, okay, here's where we're at, here's what we need to change on our messaging, here's where the biggest pushback was, and they adjust. Where Can we do that on the other side? It's like I know there's there's farming and ranching org organizations, but like it's it's money. It's like who's giving these people the money? It's usually coming from out of state.

And um they have more money and they're more organized than people who are are working'cause when you're a rancher, you're fucking working all the time. You don't you can't go get signatures and shit. Yeah. You got work to do. Yeah. These fucking These environmental people that are just crazy like extremists, they get paid for doing this. So it was like That's how that's their job.

You know, a rancher has a he has a job and it's very hard. He doesn't have time to go out and and talk knock on doors. That's the really fucked up part is a lot of these people that are these protesters and these organizers That is their job. And that's hard for people to really understand. And until you listen to people like Mike Benz, where he breaks down how NGOs work and how they fund things. And

Th the fact that like most of these things are a fucking scam. Most non profits are a fucking scam. Definitely. And it's hard for people to wrap their head around that because you think of non profit look, oh, my son works for a non profit. Oh, he must be a good guy. Yeah. He's like trying to help.

And maybe he is a good guy. Maybe he starts out a good guy. But then you're you're corrupted by this system that you realize like, oh no, the nonprofit is essentially about supporting the nonprofit. And most of the money goes to the supporting of this organization. the overhead, the structure, all all the infrastructure, all the people working there, they all get paid very well. And then a little piece goes to whatever the fuck it is.

The people starting the non profit will be like, Okay, first I'm gonna need this much money Exactly. Oh, you wanna be my V P I can count on you? I'm you're gonna make this much money. So that's what happens. And then whatever's left is like that's their You know, that they can't write off, that's what they contribute. Yeah. Um what did I see this? Oh, this is another one that I saw about non profit hospitals. Do you know that nonprofit hospitals are the most profitable? Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

They can just hide that money. They charge crazy amounts for Crazy is that like non profit are the most profitable. Yeah. So this whole idea it's it's all just bullshit. There's all most of what you think of as like philanthropy is really j like the Bill Gates stuff. There's a great book called book. I read this book, uh Control Garchs and it's all about how a lot of these guys they

r realize that they were having public image problems, like particularly Bill Gates, like during the uh antitrust lawsuits with Microsoft. Yeah. Then he tri pivots to this Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation where it's all about philanthropy. But they're philanthrocapitalists. All the different philanthropy ventures are extremely profitable. Like he made five hundred million dollars allegedly off the COVID vaccine. Off of his investments in this vaccine that didn't even fucking work.

Yeah. I think Trump got paid paid with that too. But it's like uh Yeah, it's it you know, the money thing, I don't know, the citizens, the regular citizens are the ones that pay the price for this shit. It's it's dark. Congressman recently described some nonprofit hospitals as hedge funds with hospital beds. I bet they are.

Because in the United States, more than half of our hospitals are nonprofits. But the hospital world doesn't feel very non-profity. And then I read this article by Scott Hodge in the Washington Post that talked about how they need to be taxed. And it turns out that the total revenues of nonprofit hospitals in America in twenty twenty three, so three years ago, was one point three trillion dollars. And it turns out that they're getting a bunch of taxpayer money.

In fact, three years ago, so this is probably a lot more now, nonprofit hospitals were making forty five billion dollars worth of profit. And as I mentioned, we taxpayers give them a bunch of money. In fact, in 2021, we gave them a

billion dollars, eleven and a half billion dollars of it because they don't have to pay any taxes. And that was five years ago. So this is probably more like sixty billion now. And the reason that we hypothetically give them this money as taxpayers is because they're supposed to do charity. But there was a study that looked at almost 1,500 nonprofit hospitals and found that 86% of them provided little or no charity.

almost everybody that goes to hospitals has insurance. It's either private health insurance or insurance from the government. Only three percent of people don't have health insurance and it's not like the hospitals give them a deal. Turns out that the government was checking this out around two thousand nine. The hospital spun up a lobbying campaign and got any requirements that would basically define what kind of charity they would have to do squash.

So now it's kind of the honor system. So I was like, where are those billions of dollars going that the nonprofit hospitals make in profits? Turns out it goes to executives. Like these CEOs who are getting paid about four and a half million dollars a year, meanwhile their nurses make about seventy K. Four and a half million a year here. Apparently management.

Getting billions of dollars from nonprofit hospitals. And here's a guy, Robert, at a hospital in New York, who paid himself$15.3 million a year. Nonprofit hospital. And there are really good nonprofit hospitals that are primarily funded by donations and serve low income families and people in need, like Saint Jude, or like the Shriners. But it looks like about eighty six percent of these nonprofit hospitals.

Get fifty or sixty billion dollars from US taxpayers like you and me, because they're supposed to do some form of charity, but they paid off the government so they don't have to really do charity and some of their CEOs. million dollars a year. While we subsidize them with like fifty billion dollars, do you think this is right? Okay, so this is P Davis Jones on Instagram. Motherfucker. So it's like It's again, it's just like the UFO thing. Yep. It's there's Distract.

Yeah, there's so much to pay attention to. There's so much fucking fraud. And there's so much ca this is what Elon told me when he started looking into the Doge stuff. He's like, It's impossible to describe the amount of fraud. Yeah. He's like, it's insane. That's what Nick Shirley found in Minnesota when he g went to investigate the daycares and also found in California.

with hospice care centers. There's entire uh motels where every room was supposed to be an office for some fucking non profit and they're all just siphoning money. Madness. That's like that's what it makes money. Regul like me, like w what's the answer? It's like what what's the point to all this? Alien's. I'm paying. paying out my ass and taxes for shit like this. Yeah. And or for war.

It's like Yeah, all of it's gross. Yeah. Every single yeah. I mean, uh what we're gonna have to have is some side of sort of like radical transparency. Where all this stuff gets exposed and gets exposed like probably with some AI program.

And no one's gonna wanna turn that on. Right. They're they're never gonna want everyone to know exactly how much fraud and how much fucking terrible management they've done with our money. Oh. Like the Pentagon's never passed an audit once. No. Not one. No. Zero You don't pass an audit, you're going to jail. Sure. Yeah, not that. Yeah, how much we're in debt, all the shenanigans they do with the public money, it's just like

That's over exaggerated. We're only in debt thirty nine trillion dollars. That's not a big deal. Isn't that crazy? The thing is they could just print thirty nine trillion and it's done. Yeah. Reason why they don't is because they have really good control. You're doing a great job.

It's a one one thing on this hunting thing, I I do have to give credit to Dan Gates and Howell. It's like they've done a good job in Colorado like fighting this. This has like been um we've won a few things there. Um Have they tried to do the same thing with Oregon and Colorado, the same kind of thing?

Well, no, what Dan is doing, he's um he's got out there initiative three oh two and it's gonna make hunting and fishing in Colorado a constitutional right. Okay. So hopefully that you know how these

just like this this lobbyist and this I P twenty eight, they're seeing what works and what they can get away with and kinda planning for the future. Well If Dan is successful with this initiative three oh two passing, that will be like how we can address this in the future to protect hunting and fishing.'Cause if it can go through there, this is like the litmus test for it, then okay.

Maybe we can do this in other states also. So I this is a big one coming up they're working on right now. But I mean, we have to we just have to get more savvy politically to when they're doing shit like this, we have to be more in tune, you know, and educated on it.

Such a bummer though, because like the people that I know like Mike Benz that do this all day, I do not envy him. I mean Mike Benz makes these live streams where he's just exposing and it they they last for hours. Like who's gonna go through them all? Well My notes here. Be nice, be positive. We didn't know. How do how do you how do you talk about this? In a nice and positive way. It's very, very, very difficult. Very. Especially because these are real problems.

La last on my li well, I don't know what's up on the list, but uh Um, oh, I do want to talk about this Pokemon. I'm wanna shout out Ryan Callahan from Backcountry Hunters and Anglers. He you know O'Cal. Sure. Sure. Great guy. Great guy. Bust his ass for this shit. Martin Heinrich, which is he's a senator there in New Mexico. He's I think he's a Democrat. I don't give a shit about Democrat, Republican.

Whoever, he just fights for public lands and he's a badass. And then also Ron White in there in Oregon, who normally I'd probably never agree with anything on because You know, it's just different, but he is he does get the I wanna I wanna give those guys credit for trying their best to protect and fight against this public land sell off and Mike Lee and

um, this energy re resource committee, which is, you know, th they're beholden to a different set of values. Usually it's money related and these guys are kind of fighting for for the guys like us who just enjoy being out in the mountains. So you're being positive. Yeah, I I just wanted to

Tell those guys are doing great. But um I I was gonna bring this up. This is like the whole scandal I've been involved with recently, which is it feels like a lot for me, which I don't like, but I my point on it is Yeah. I feel like um Well let's explain the scandal before you get into that. So you won the Oregon Marathon in your uh age category. Yeah. And then someone started complaining because you had taken BPC one five seven, which is a banned substance.

Yeah. So you would take y for people that don't know, as ridiculous as this sounds, Cam broke his foot like two years ago. You broke your foot like two years ago and you never got it fixed. So all these miles you've been running, you've been running with a broken broken foot. And uh you went to waste well, they treated your foot with stem cells and they injected BPC one five seven into your foot to help

Help your foot heal. Um is it healed now? Is the bone like fused up? Yeah. What did it do? It just grew back? Yeah. Yeah, finally. It was like it took a while'cause I didn't stop running. And I What does it look like now on an X-ray? It's like kinda the the bone is th it was a big break, like a pretty wide break, which is why the the surgeon didn't know if it was gonna be able to the bone was gonna be able to make it across her because I kept like Moving it. Yeah.

And he told me, he's like, you know, with this this is i i I just had the same surgery done on my my thumb where the b the ligament pulls a piece of the bone off and breaks it, right? So that your ligaments and tendons very strong. The bone fractures. So what happened here is I fell and I was doing a race.

and and basically shredded my ligament, broke this bone. So they had to hope that the bone was big enough to go attach it back to where it broke from, because bone-on-bone healing is much better than ligament to bone. It's like quicker, right? So we need a piece of that bone. Well, in my foot, they said he didn't know how big that piece that broke off was, so there's a chance that it it wouldn't reattach through surgery.

So which means he'd have to take the ligament back to it. It's called a Jones fracture, it's on the outside of my foot. And um hope it it connected. But that would be like stretching that ligament beyond where it was supposed d by design. So it probably changed the function of your foot. It would it would change the dynamic of my foot and how my foot and I I run, I have a good stride, I run well.

And I'm and he said there's no guarantee that this will attach like it should or that you know, you need another surgery if this doesn't work, and then another one to get the hardware out. So I'm just like, I really don't wanna do two or three surgeries. Let's see if we can try other treatments, less invasive. If I can just deal with this pain for long enough, would my foot heal? And it has.

Um, so I was like very interested in not getting the surgery based on you know, he's a uh renowned surgeon. He does all the surgeries on the Oregon football team. He's a stud, trust totally trust him. But I heard what he was saying about like, hey, there's no guarantee this is gonna work perfect, and I took that to heart. When did you have the injury? How long? It was June sixteenth of twenty twenty four. Okay. Yeah. Quite a long time ago. Right, so Basically a solid two years.

Yeah, so I went in and I dealt with it for I mean it hurt. for a long time I just didn't want to stop living, you know, and I'm like, okay, if it's just pain, I have a very high pain tolerance. I don't care. I'm I'm gonna block that out and just do what I do. So I did. I did I did everything. I did all my hunts. I did races.

And it was terrible. And but I made it. I made it through and my foot's healed. But so broke it in June, went into ways 12, I think in July, went back in November, which is when I got that stem cell back in it. and uh when they put in the B P. C there th that one time in November and um So that was like that was a thing. And all I said, you know, I had a very fast Eugene marathon time for me. Um I'm healthier than now that I've ever been.

I've retired. I've done more specific training. All these people, you know, I've been labeled as like a doper, right? Like almost like Lance Armstrong. Like You've been labeled by one very specific person that is a professional run. who's also a vegan and has been very vocal about you in an anti hunting way. So he's got that and and you're also your time, your running time. He's Is he eighteen years younger than you? Ja. And your running time is very similar to his. His last marathon, yeah.

Yeah. And your running time of this year's marathon, which you won in your age class Is quicker than last year's by quite a bit. Yeah. What people don't understand is last year your fucking foot was broken. Broken. I didn't run last year'cause I was hurt. So it was quicker than like the year before.

Right. Was your foot broken then? No. No. Okay. So your time is quicker now than it's ever been before after recovering from your broken foot? Yeah. And that's amazing. It's but how much quicker? Ten minutes? It was my best time was in my very best time was in two thousand six. Uh me and Lance Armstrong, we did the New York marathon. I didn't s even see him during this one, but I ran two fifty, like twenty one in New York.

I ran two fifty quite a few times, like Boston w when I ran with Lance in two thousand eight, I did run two fifty again and that's when we finished together. Um And, you know, uh, Truett and I were talking about this too just the other day,'cause Truett, my son, he's going for the Olympic trials qualifier in the marathon, which means he needs to run quicker than a two sixteen.

So we were talking about this and it and it's just my training and even his training,'cause I'm not a coach and I don't know, I just run to get in shape for bow hunting. Okay. I don't I'm not a pro. Um But and I had him run and he's very talented, but I didn't know how to coach him either. So he hired a real coach. And when you start getting into this marathon training and specifics of it and why you do certain certain exercises and why there's certain stimulus from

I I mean I just had the winner of the Eugene Marathon on my podcast and we did a really fast run. We ran a five oh six mile, which I had never done a mile seven of an eight mile run. And then he said, Okay, I'm my his name's Jack Sidel. He's like an amazing athlete, has fourteen hundred followers, which is kind of crazy that this amazing talented people have a small amount of following but their talent is incredible.

So he won it. I ran with him just the other day and he said, Oh, I need to do eight one hundred meter strides, which is simple essentially sprinting. after we ran super hard eight miles, climbed three thousand uh a three thousand f or two thousand foot mountain and uh did this fast pace, but he still had to get the stimulus needed for what he's asking his body to do, which is qualify for the Olympics, right?

So the stimulus is what I've never done before. I've never got on the track and did it. All I ever did was just go run. I just run. So what I do is like How do I move this needle in the right direction in a positive way? I gotta put in work. How I'd put in work was I'd go run mile after mile after mile, some days twenty miles a day because I felt like that was a a noble sacrifice for me and for achieving what goals I wanted, which was bow hunting related, not not racing related.

Well, with Truett taking on this Olympic trials qualifier journey, he's he's been doing the stimulus, hired a coach and like, hey, dad, you need to do this type of stuff. You know, you get on the track.

You wouldn't think you need to get on track to run twenty six miles quick, but you do because you need the stimulus for your body. I had never done any of that. I had never got enough sleep. I would sleep You know, if I was gonna do a marathon a day and still be at work ten hours a day, I'd have to get up at start at two forty five AM and I did and sometimes I wouldn't go to bed until midnight.

I didn't care about sleep. You'd have m Dr. Matthew Walker on here. I'd say, fuck that dork. I'm not listening to sleep. It's like I don't need sleep. I can still perform. Look at I just ran 26 miles yesterday on two hours of sleep. But I wasn't performing at my best because my I had to overcome my body fatigue. So for decades I would work, didn't miss a a day of work in twenty-six years, never called in sick once.

Always get my miles in, always get my work done. I was leading the cruise. People relied on me to be a good leader. I had to be there. I'd still put in this work, I would not get any sleep, my body was so depleted, I still did everything I needed to do at the highest level I could. Turns out the highest level I could, given those circumstances, was a two fifty marathon. All right.

So I required three or I mean I retired three years ago. Now I'm getting sleep. Now I'm doing sauna, cold punts. I get you know, I spend Mm. Spend two thousand bucks a month on massage and bodywork. Um and now with more specific training, like last year I ran with Truitt. He ran two thirty eight in Boston, two thirty four in Eugene. We went a on a run right before that. He said, Dad, I can't keep up with you.

You you should be going for the sub two thirty. He was trying to break two thirty. He goes, you should be going for the sub two thirty. You're you're faster than me. So this was last year, but then I got hurt. So last year I was gonna break this same record. This year I've been healthy. I knew I was gonna get my fastest time ever. I put up a uh a post and I said, P R or ER. I'm either getting a personal record or I'm going to the emergency room. I'm sending it.

So I said P R E R and I got a PR. I got two thirty nine eleven, one of the fastest ever for a fifty-eight year old. And it's like that caused people are pay attention, which I get. It's a very fast marathon for somebody almost sixty years old. But you have to look at the f that the full picture and say, like, this wasn't some just guy who just started running, been running

I've been running since I'm five years old. I'm 58. I was running, pushing myself at five, running further than any other couldn't kid in school, winning an award. That was fifty three years ago. Okay? I've been doing this a while. I haven't been training specifically because I didn't care. And so this guy said, Oh, d have you know, he's like mad that I was so fast. He's talk shit about truid. I don't and I'm trying to be m nice and be positive, so I'm not gonna say his name. I'm not gonna

I understand people who want to protect clean sport. I applaud USADA. I uh applaud Wada. I applaud clean sports. I love it. It's it's it's required for the Olympic athletes to get their just due. Um, for me, he he said, you know, he's talking shit about Trua, which he's already on my radar'cause I remember Trua said, Hey yeah, there's this elite guy who's saying that I'm dishonoring the marathon'cause I have no chance of getting the standard and You know, ta I said who?

Is that dishonoring the marathon? 'Cause he was saying like true was so far away from his time that it was unrealistic to even put that as a goal. My my point was he's a runner just like you. He has a big dream just like you had. Why shit on his dream? Somebody says that that this this dream they want to do it, you're runner. How would it be dishonorable to have a lofty ambition? That doesn't even make sense.

That was just words. It the words are associated because he's my son. So it that's all that amounted to. Um

But I he was on my radar for that.'Cause Truett told me and I said who? and I hadn't didn't even really know who it was. Looked him up. I'm just like, Yeah, fuck whatever. So anyway, I knew the name. Well, he comes on my page after this and he says something like He dug up this old post from like two thousand eleven, which is still up there and it talked about the shit I was taking from it was like complete nutrition, which is like G and C

And it was, you know, if you go to G and C it's like, you know, mass gainer two thousand. So like everything seems like it's a steroid. It's over the counter. It's not fucking steroids. You can't buy steroids over the counter. Everything that on that thing that I was doing us sponsored by Complete Nutrition, all over the counter supplements. It's like there's no fucking EPO on here. It's like what these people try to make it sound like. It was just shit that I was lifting weight.

This is from fifteen years ago? Two thousand eleven. It's a it's a blog post. He still has it. Yeah. It's like like I said, praying around like a trophy. It's like fucking over the counter, whatever. So Uh he said I said are you still talking about that? This is like late at night. I was kinda irritated. Didn't do guy irritates me anyway. So he said, Could you pass uh you saw it a drug test?

And I said, I have no idea. It has nothing to do with me. I don't give a fuck. Probably not, though, because I I didn't actually I didn't even know, but I know it's very restrictive. And I've had a lot of Olympians and things on my show. We don't talk about the drug test stuff. We're just like we just go running. Well w what what stuff would you take had you taken that wouldn't allow you to pass a drug

Like the stuff you're taking now, like what supplements can you not take?'Cause there's a lot of stuff that people just take normally that you can't take. Peptides are one of'em, right? I certain peptides. I think you can take certain ones. But I don't even know'cause I decided I had never looked at the list. I tried to with this when this came up.

The other thing is uh a lot of people fail just by taking supplements because there's third party there's contamination of supplements. That's that's what happened to Sugarshawan O'Malley with osterine. It's happened to, you know, a lot of athletes. With this most of stuff that you would buy at like a GNC, probably an Olympian couldn't take.

Or they'd have to check it out. Right.'Cause it's like how clean is a lab, how you know susceptible is to contamination. So a lot of them like they're thinking about this shit every day. Like it's their whole life. If they get if they pop hot Their career's over. Yeah. So it's it's a huge deal. Jordan Burroughs in here and he wouldn't even uh try uh Killcliffe C B D drink. Right. He's like, I don't think I could take that. Well I had Cheeto in on my show and I said, Hey you wanna try a ketone?

He's like, I don't I don't know. So he called Jeff Novinsky and he said, Could I take this ketone IQ? And Jeff said, Well, depends on what batch is approved. So the batch of the ketone IQ that was made has to be approved. The other batch might not be approved. So you could fail from that other batch. I didn't know any of that shit. But he called him right before we did it, so he didn't take it. It's just like

So there's things like that where it's just it's nonstop. I don't know if I can take this, this, that. I've never been in that position'cause I'm I just run to bow hunt. I've never looked at these lists, I've never done anything, but a lot of stuff that

you know, Pseudafed is on there, um, ADHD medicine is on there you can't take, or you have to get what they call a therapeutic use exemption. So Say if you were a regular guy and you had low testosterone and you wanted to do TRT, you could get that approved through a therapeutic use exemption. That's very interesting. You can run in the marathon with a therapeutic use exemption of testosterone, which is a legitimate performance enhancing.

The theoretically, I d I don't know if they'd have to look at your numbers and where you're at and like if this was real. Well you're supposed to take a very specific amount. Like this was the issue with the UFC when the UFC had TUEs. Yeah. When they had TRT, VTOR, those those days.

When guys were taking like large amounts of that shit. And that's actually what stopped the program is that people started testing like off the fucking charts for testosterone. Right. And they realized like okay, these guys are straight up Yeah, for sure. But if you're a sixty year old person and you want to run the marathon and you're on testosterone, it's legal.

Yeah. Yeah. It and it and it should be. It's like um the TUE thing is still probably abused in some ways because we know these doctor patient relationships. You can say, Hey, I want to do this. Can you make it sound like this? Of course. So it's gonna be the case. not even I'm not even talk all all I'm saying is like

for and I've talked to Olympians about this situation because I want to make sure I understand it, right? It's like if if I'm as a regular citizen, so there's nine thousand runners in the Eugene Marathon. Are we all gonna be held To the standard of Olympic athletes. Right, are they testing everybody in the UG marathon? They didn't test anybody. Anybody. So there's prize money that that's paid out. There's Olympic. trials qualifying standards which are met. So now you're in the Olympic trials.

And I and I don't wanna shit on the Eugene Marathon because these small mar smaller marathons, they don't have the money to be testing nine thousand people or probably these tests are expensive. So There there's Something too like if it's a USATF, so U United States of America Track and Field Association, if it's one those events and it's for like a world championship

Or it's for like a a a team position, I get it. And it does need to be For the Eugene Marathon with nine thousand people, it's not realistic to say we're gonna drug test everybody or if you're taking whatever you need a therapeutic PUTI USEMT COUCE D'YTINT USADA could review, say if people are taking three or four different medications times nine thousand, they don't have the resource to

to go through all those TUEs, right? It's not realistic. So there should be, in my opinion, two categories. You got your regular runners, which I'm in, and you got your elite which are susceptible to this drug testing and these requirements. And that's totally fair and I get that. And it's kind of why I've waded into this and said, I'll be the poster boy for this. I'll admit that I took BPC one five seven And whatever years ago.

And whatever the fallout right. Whatever the fallout is is what it is because this needs to be discussed because I talk to all these regular people who are doing all the stuff just to be healthy, to enjoy something that they love, which is running or competing in races. And everybody, like on the other side, on, you know, say the clean sport side, which I am on that side too, trust me. I I wanna I want clean sport. But they're like saying that like my time was so fast.

It's almost into this they talk about this age graded thing where like this guy who brought it up said, Age graded, like so what that I think is what that looks at is like i in my prime, if I ran a two thirty nine at age fifty eight, what was my What potential when I was in my prime, right? And it would is super fast, like you know, like world like 210 or 212, which

would have won the Olympics back when I was twenty five, you know what I mean? So I understand why my time it's just like I'm almost too fast as a regular citizen to in it kind of like this gray area like Should he be tested or I uh whatever. But all I'm saying, like, if the rule is to test, or if I know the rules. I'm down, dude. I'm I'm all for it. That's why I've been so transparent about what I've taken and what I've done and what I was trying to avoid with the surgery.

There's an important point about the sign-up thing for the Eugene Marathon. If there's if you're supposed to not take certain supplements, that's supposed to be stated in in the marathon sign-up, right? Yeah, yeah. And it's not. Yeah, and I and I don't I've never re I I hardly look at that, but there's now after all this I looked at the waivers because, you know, you saw it has been

They send me two really nice emails, just lovely emails that that I haven't responded to. Um and they they're trying to do the best they can, but If these waivers say um I looked at the waiver for I did two races this year, Eugene Marathon and Cocodona two fifty. And the waivers mention liability and insurance things. Doesn't mention anything about USATF or drug testing or any of these requirements. There's no mention of it.

It's also what the the thing that doesn't make any sense is first of all, BPC one hundred seven is not a performance enhanced. Yeah, well... It it helps heal soft tissue injuries. It's very good for recovery from injuries. That was w that's one issue. The other issue is it was two fucking years ago. There's no way that's affecting you in this year's Eugene Marathon. That is Yeah. Long out of your system. It's a smoke screen, you know we've talked about smoke screens here.

Well what he's doing is he's basically he's accusing you because you took BPC one five seven and he's saying you're lying about doing all these other things. I've been called a liar, a cheater, a doper, uh stealing it's like But it's all fine, but this is essentially what we were talking about earlier. Yeah. We were talking about earlier about people that are outliers that are like super successful and they'd be like, Fuck that guy, that guy cheats, that guy this, that guy, that

Same fucking thing. Yeah. This guy can't appreciate that here's a guy who was running a fucking marathon a day while working an eight hour job. I was your friend then. Yeah. This is real. I know you did this. I was always telling you to quit your job. Yeah. That was the first guy telling you, quit that fucking job. You're killing yourself. I was worried about you because. I know that your mind is so strong that you are willing to push your body to the point where it could f actually fail. And

Willpower is really important. Um, having uh a strong will will get you through so much in life that other people will not be able to. They will not be able to break through. But will could also get you killed, you know, and it could also ruin your life. You could hurt yourself to the point you know, you hurt your back or something to the point where you never recover. It never comes back. Like you have to there's like a b a fine line between mental toughness and and and just

being able to see the big picture and go it's actually smart to not be tough here. And it's not to deny my toughness. I gotta know that I am tough and have confidence in my toughness enough to give my body a break. And rest. That's why I was always worried about you because you were doing things with no fucking sleep and I saw it. I know you did it. I watched.

And you have to understand that the kind of willpower that a guy like you has or a guy like Goggins has where they can do things where people go, No one can do that. The fuck they can't. Like y how many UFC fighters have you seen go and train with Goggins and they're like Israel out of Sonia?

World champion. World class guy. Throwing up at a fucking garbage can. Can't keep up with him. Tony Ferguson, like who is known in the MMA world for fucking superhuman endurance. Tony Ferguson would just walk people down in his private. He was El Kakoue. The boogey. Because he never got tired. Yeah. And even if you hurt him, it didn't matter. He was gonna recover and come back after you. He's coming he was coming for your fucking soul. That guy was breaking down. Everybody breaks down.

He's doing it in silence. No one even knows. He's doing it with no music. He's doing it by himself. No one's pushing him. He's a fucking full-on psychopath. They are real. Yeah. There's real people out there that are really living like that.

This guy should look at that and take inspiration from it. But he's got these ideological differences with you because he's a vegan and because he thinks hunting is cruel and you're an asshole and you're killing animals and meanwhile you need to eat one of them. Bear sticks. Give me another one. I want I want another one. Fucking awesome. They're they're great. But it's just It's just what we're talking about. It's if you and that guy actually had a conversation, thank you.

If you and that guy actually had a conversation and you were civil and there was no cameras and it was just two human beings having a conversation, I I guarantee you probably have way more in common. than you do not. You know, outside of the ideological differences about hunting and veganism and Maybe a lack of understanding about what even veganism entails, but it's'cause most of it entails large scale monocrop agriculture. If you're if you're just buying plants

You are responsible for the death of a fucking countless number of creatures. Yeah. end up st especially if you start talking about bees. Yeah. And avocados and almonds. Oh, I'm eating almonds. I'm healthy. You fucking killed a hundred billion bees, all right? Stop. Yeah. Uh outside of that, what are you both doing? You're both pushing yourself to the limits of your ability. And maybe if that guy had a bear stick or two and had some real protein, he'd have a better time. Well I I'm not sure.

Some real fucking protein. I am friends with a lot of people just like him in belief in like on the political spectrum or even the diet spectrum. And I it it hasn't affected our friendship at all because What I focus on is what do we have in common. We love the mountains, we love to run, we love to push ourselves. I don't need to align with everybody a hundred percent. So I'm I'm friends with tons of liberal people and love them. It's like has nothing to do with anything. It's uh

But for f for him, you know, I was on the radar for a few different reasons. This gave him like the reason why like BPC one five seven is banned for Olympians, not for a regular purpose. Re we regular people can take it. Right. So I'm just like

He's like, do you know what the rules are? And I'm like, I don't give a fuck about the rules. So then he turned that into like he doesn't care about the rules. He's gonna do everything anything he wants. I'm like, no, I don't care about rules that don't apply to me. I'm just like W w whatever. So the rules that apply to me

are th is this rule. And it's that if you want to talk about rules, I follow rules. Like I I talked about purchasing, you know, when I was a the the buyer at my old job for twenty years, I had to go by laws and rules every day. And So I'm I respect that. If it has to do with me, if it like affects me, I'm like, Okay, I understand it. Well this one

You start bringing up these USATF sanctions and what I need to know when I sign a waiver for a race and and I look at the waiver and the waiver doesn't mention anything about this. This says If the USTF sanctioned event is, you know, if if we're talking drug testing, it says Related published materials must contain the following language. So when I see that it says that must contain the following l language, in my contract days, I'm like, well, that didn't say should.

Or it didn't say may because should and may means it doesn't have to. Right. When it says must. It must. So it says it must say this. Athlete who participate in this competit in this comp competition may be subjected to formal drug testing in accordance with U blah blah blah blah. So basically it has to have this language and it has to spell out exactly what it is.

Their rules, their own rules say it must be included. I've never seen this language. It was never included in anything that I've agreed to with the these in regard to these races. There's no responsibility to go to the website and find out what the standards are. No, if they had a The waiver. Even if they had a link. Okay, right. So if they said if you are going to race, you must be held to the standards of this race, you can go visit them on this website.

That that's fine. I would be like, Oh, that was my bad, I didn't do that. Right. They never mentioned it. So If somebody said, like I didn't know BPC was banned for Olympians at all before this. I just thought that it was another maybe you could get a TUE for I or I didn't even know what TUE was, but because I just it's not my world. My world is bow hunting. I just try to get in as good shape as I can. You're not trying to do it for money.

I've never won money. I've never been on a a national team. If I wanted to be if that was what I was gonna do, I would know everything about the rules, everything about what I could take or what I couldn't take. I mean, you can't take THC, you know, I mean, they say you can take it, but not on the day of competition. So you know how long THC is in your system. Yeah. So you took it the day before but you didn't but you're still gonna test hospital.

Yeah. But as long as that lasts in your system, how are they gonna prove if you took it that morning? Well, they would have to be able to test your levels right after you race and they could determine whether or not you were actually intoxicated during the race. That's how uh Nick Diaz got popped when he thought Takanori Gomi. They said his his fucking levels were off the charts. And that was USADA probably.

Um, I don't believe it was. Uh I believe that was I think that was Pride and I think it was the first time that Pride had an event in the United States and they had it in Vegas, I believe. See if that's that's right. It was a long time ago. I wanna say this is God, I want to say like two thousand five. It was a big win when Nick beat Takonorigomi. Takenori gomi was one of the big stars.

uh over in Pride and uh Nick uh he got him with a go go plata which is a crazy submission off your back where you use the shin against the guy's neck and you're grabbing your foot from behind his head and his neck. But uh they said he was off the charts. They said he was as high as a kite when he was fighting, which I fucking l Yeah.

But you you're not allowed to do that. And I think for good reasons. I don't think you should be allowed, but Um the the the reality of uh these drug tests are is that um if you're saying to a person that you can't take it the day of the competition

And they're a regular user. They're they're they're gonna have a lot of THC in their system. Right. They just are. And also you could you could take a very high dose of edibles the day before a race and you would still be intoxicated the day of the race. Uh yeah.

Apparently the commission felt the level which Diaz tested at one seventy five was a considering factor in his performance during the fight. Doctor Tony Alamo, the commission's chair, said that so it was Nevada a r uh a result of uh Fifteen is considered positive. But the Nevada State Athletic Commission has a threshold of fifty, test positive for THC. They feel very comfortable that everybody that tests positive in Nevada is truly positive.

mister Diaz was one hundred seventy five. This creates a unique situation. Uh I was there at the fight, I believe you were intoxicated and that it made you numb to the pain. Did it help you win? I think it did. I I don't know. You know, listen, d Diaz is gonna be numbed to the pain anyway. He's one of the toughest fucking dudes that's ever lived.

I don't I don't know if you could make that argument that it helped you win. Uh I think it probably relaxed him. He likes it. He you know, he probably could go out there high and fight. more in his element, but he could fight in his element anyway. So w he was one of the best fighters on earth at the time. He's a world class fighter. The idea that that helped him win is like Yeah. Prove it. Prove it. He was beating everybody anyway.

It's a stretch. It's like w I just don't think that we need to be opening the Pandora's box to testing nine thousand people or having them you know, like Well it's also be realistic about what you're saying.'Cause what you're saying is if all you did was take that drug uh it's not even a drug, take that peptide in twenty twenty four for a broken foot. There's no fucking chance that helped you win.

uh uh a a marathon two years later. It does not help, other than the fact that it helped to heal your broken foot. That's not performance It's just not a hater. Not even A hater. Which I understand. Yeah, yeah. I I mean I admitted that I took it and it's like at that and I actually that night I remember I didn't even know when that was. I fucking can't remember when I go went to Wages Wells, like I don't I thought it was like six months ago. I couldn't even fucking remember.

So then I got a hold of him, I said, No, I need, you know, the details of my my treatment and it you know, it was in November of twenty twenty four and I'm like, Okay But anyway, that night I said yeah, I've done stem cell, uh I've done TRT before and mentioned BPC one five seven and it's like I didn't know when that was, but I just kinda

Because he was like coming at me, I'm just like, no fuck off. It's like I do all this. I don't know whether it's approved or not. It doesn't has nothing to do with me. I'm not an elite athlete. I'm fucking bow hunter. So I was like kind of wanted to just So let's shit on him at that time. Well, he got what he needed'cause admitting to taking BPC for like Olympian is a huge deal'cause it's banned.

just for them, not for me. And that then he could go to USA and say, Oh, this guy took a ban and they're you know, now they're like it sucks. It's like they're in a position where I don't know. It's just like so much the public knows about it so much. It's like, you know, I got articles about me and talking about all this crazy shit and I'm just like

I was just trying to not have two or three surgeries. It's just like I'm not trying to win a fucking the my age category of marathon and then they'll turn it into like, well that's not fair to the other people who are are performing clean I was just like it's not we don't even know who's what people are taking. I was like, I'm not even in this field of this elite field where this is all I did was admit I was truthful. Everybody else

Yeah, well, maybe. Maybe lies, maybe doesn't. But the the the point is a giant percentage of people right now are taking peptides because they're very beneficial to help heal injuries. And if you're gonna run marathons like the way you run'em uh with very fast times, you're probably training really hard. If you're training really hard you're probably gonna get an injury. Yeah. Yeah. It's a hater thing, is what it is. Or he's accusing you of lying, which I know you're not a liar.

But So this is the thing. attacking your character, but it's also the fact that, you know, that quote that I love, all criticism is the tragic result of unmet needs. This guy's an elite athlete, no one knows who he is. Yeah. You know, that's part of the problem. Yeah. And then when someone who's very popular is creeping in on his time.

Like that's like how? How's that possible? He's eighteen years older than me, fuck this guy. No one ever wants to think that someone actually works harder than them. No. Oh no. And or yeah, I mean and and I get that. I mean I I'm a human too. I understand how that can happen. But Like to call me like a doper trying to discredit everything I've I've done, it's just like it's so not even real.

to use is to just be honest, lay it all out and leave it alone. Yeah. Uh I don't think like going after this guy and talking a lot of shit is i in any way beneficial. I don't I don't want I want him I want everyone to succeed. I don't have anything personal against this guy. I didn't like he was talking shit about Truett.

I didn't But even that, it's just it's just haterade. He just sees Truett running with those fucking perfect jeans on and looking all handsome. He's also a little too buffed to be a a marathon runner, which drives people nuts too. Yeah. And then he also won the world pull up challenge. Like, look, when someone breaks the world record at pull ups, that isn't a fucking extraordinary human being, period. And for you to discredit that person in marathon run.

after they've done that. Well you're a fool. Yeah.'Cause this isn't just a regular person, right? This is a person who broke the world fucking record for chin ups or pull ups. Yeah. That's a crazy thing to do. Yeah. To do thousands of pull ups in twenty-four hours. Rip your fucking hands to shreds. Yeah. That's an extraordinary person. For him to not recognize that, he's being a bitch. Yeah, and...

Which is fine. It's a natural characteristic that a lot of human beings have. Yeah. And especially ones that are not getting their needs met in terms of the attention they feel they deserve. And who are ideologically opposed to you because you're a hunter. What the the traction he's got is because it's almost like if you say you know how some people would say, Oh, you're interested in border security, like protecting the border. Mm-hmm. Right. Right. Racist. Right.

So to to say that I'm a cheater or a doper, you don't have to say anything else. When the fact of the matter is, this is years ago, I don't take any I mean I I take plenty like fish oil, magnesium, all this other bullshit Trace gives me. But The like the level of doping I know about I don't know shit. I don't even

I don't know EP I know we've talked about this before, but I don't even know really what A EPO does other than make like more red blood cells or something, so there's more oxygen. But I'm so like illiterate on performance and like PEDs, I'm just like, I don't I don't even take testosterone anymore because I run better low. Which is weird.

And I didn't know if this happened because they say when you run like long distances, extreme long distances, your testosterone drops. I almost think that's by design because I look at like how these women have been performing at these huge races.

with low testosterone and higher estrogen, they perform better. And so I'm just like, man, maybe I don't need the T R T. Maybe and so I haven't like I had I had um I got a prescription filled like last September and I still have four of the things out of ten. And Anybody who's a doper, they don't got dope sitting around. Like if you had you know, if I don't care if it's meth or fucking

Testosterone, if you have it, you take it if you're a doper, right? So I haven't done it because I'm I operate better with a low heart rate, low testosterone, and I can run. But low body weight too. Well, yeah, I'm like one hundred is what I got down to when I What do you right now? Fifty two. Wow. When I met you you were in the eighties. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, I was just lifting. I just I I always ran, but I'd run like five miles a day. And I wanted to be like I thought like for hunting, I needed more muscle to perform. because I need to carry heavy loads and things like that. Now I've realized that I'm better with extreme endurance and I'm still strong for for like one forty eight, still very strong compared to like a normal one forty eight. So I I'm still able to do the task I need to do, carry heavy loads when I kill. You've optimized. Yeah.

Well this a the big factor's the weight,'cause I'm pretty heavy. Yeah. And I I notice the difference. You know, like uh I've lost uh I when I hunted a few years back I got down to the one nineties. Early one n like like one ninety two or one ninety three and I felt way lighter. Yeah. Like you would think ten pounds'cause right n I we weighed two oh two this morning.

You would think ten pounds is not that big of a deal. It's a big deal. Yeah, it's a big deal. When I work out uh and I put a twenty five pound weight vest on, yeah. It's amazing how much harder it is to do chin ups and push ups and dips. It's amazing. Yeah. And it's only twenty five pounds. Think about how many people just normally carry twenty five extra pounds. You're walking around all day with a weight vest on, you know.

Well, and I I've told Truth this too, it's like he's heavier, but every guy lining up to run the Olympic trials qualifier or like when they run the Olympic trials for the marathon, there won't be anybody over like one forty. So I said Which totally makes sense. You're fighting gravity. Yeah, I mean it you gotta be light. Yeah. So I said you can't be one sixty and compete. What is he at now? He's like Fifty eight. And what is he trying to get down to?

He's gotta be in the forties. Gotta be like one hundred forty you'd be. I'm a guy who's going to look like Scalator. The guy the guy who I just ran with who ran Eugene and set the course record and All that, he was one hundred thirty five, probably like six one. Whoa. That's just the name of the game. Right. You like the East Africans super light. The guy who just broke the world record of the marathon.

He's like one thirty five or no, no one fifteen. Jeez. Tiny little guy. So it's like Makes sense. That's just that's just performance. Right. That's just what it takes. A huge engine, a light body. Right. And uh so Like t to to paint me this way when I was turn to avoided surgery, haven't taken BPC since then, um it's just it's kind of just

I think all you can do is state your case and I think you just did and you just did it really well and I know you and I can speak for you. You are w as honest a human being as I've ever met in my life. You don't lie about anything and you are and it's also why you work so hard. You work so hard so you don't have to. Yeah. I didn't I didn't lie about this either. I mean and that's what I just said yeah, I d I did. I didn't remember when, but looked it up, here's when it was, whatever.

Yeah, this guy's gotta get over it. Maybe you should have a conversation with him on Keep Hammer and Collective. Yeah, I mean I don't I would talk to e talk to anybody. I don't you know, I talk to people who feel differently than me all the time.

People there's a l there's also a problem where people don't know someone and they don't communicate with them and so you kinda form a narrative and then you fight that narrative. You know, you attack that narrative. You attack a creation of who the person is.

Rather than the actual person. And people like to do that because they like to turn someone into a demon. Yeah. You know, they like to turn someone into an uh you know, not even a person. That's how people love to do that with war. They love to do that with It's really to garner support with keywords. Uh-huh. Using keywords.

that nobody could defend would be like, Okay, we got that that'll work right there. And so that's where, you know, the Nazi or the doper or the racist that's why those words are always out there. Yep. It's like'cause they're powerful. Exactly. And when and when you you know, when you get boxed in a corner you can use those words and it buys you some time.

Yeah, there's that. And there's also, you know, there's a lot of people that don't have uh good personal insight. They don't understand what they're doing. Really. They think they're justified in what they're doing. Really it's just a bunch of bitchy bullshit. One thing that I d I did I think part of this, um, I I don't want to be demonized about like with the peptides because it shouldn't be demonized but

One thing I think a lot of people because I as you said a lot of people are taking these peptides, a lot of people are doing the T R T stuff. I think that there was a big shift when COVID happened as far as distrust in the the Health and I mean, basically our health and wellness category, like it started maybe with Obamacare.

Uh people are having trouble getting in their doctor, doctors quit'cause it's too frustrating. So people we've had a hard time getting medical treatment, like to be healthy. And then COVID happened and then they were shoving down, you know, the vaccine down our throats and turned out like it wasn't as as safe and effective as they said. So I think people like they see that, the writing was on the wall, they couldn't get in their doctor. The doctor was like

just writing prescriptions. So then the wellness clinics popped up, right? And it feels like it was after COVID for now like you gotta wait to well and there's other places like it where you can go in and they care about how you feel. They want you to they wanna help you feel better, like live like an optimized life, like

You're old, but you don't have to feel old. And so they're like, they can do the blood panel where getting a blood panel at your regular doctor was like pulling teeth for a while. It's like, no, we we don't need to do that. But you go to a a wellness clinic, they'll do it and they'll tell you, yeah, you're deficient here, this, this, or that, we could add this, we could try this. Um, and then all of a sudden you start to feel better and you're like, well, these people care about my health.

The doctor, what he care about? Writing prescriptions. Uh yeah, the doctors have they're playing a totally different game as we could see from that hospital video that we just watched. So it's it's no wonder that waste wells and like these these other treatments maybe bypassing surgery and let's try this peptide. I s I see that it's kinda evolving and it's changing and the sport of ultra needs to

also and running needs to to be on board with that because most of your field aren't elites and aren't Olympians. Right. They're regular people who just are trying to do what they enjoy and that's me. Well I think you laid your case out and I got Yeah. So let's wrap this bad boy up and bring it home. Uh congratulations on your bear hunt. Those you got two giant monsters. Oh yeah, we've got to say John and Jim. Yeah, shout out to John and Jen Rivet. Yeah. I'm gonna try to come next year, I swear.

Love those guys. Love those guys. Um I I love that place they have up there too. It's crazy. And uh for people who don't know, um those these these bear uh have no natural predators other than grizzlies. They have to be controlled. They are devastating the moose and deer and elk population up there'cause they kill all the calves. They they they're ruthless predators, opportunistic hunters, they eat each other.

J just to put that in perspective, in Alaska they're flying out of helicopters shooting bears. Yeah, because there's so many. Not enough are getting killed, so they wipe out all the ungulates. So it's like it it's an issue. You just don't know about it. You don't people don't know that Alaska's flying helicopters is leaving bear after they kill them. I know and everybody thinks of bears as yogi. Yogi and boo boo and Yeah. Come for a trip. Take a trip to Alberta. I'll show you some real shit.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I know. Remember when uh you know, I've told the story, you know, Jen and I ran into a grizzly once when we were out there. Just briefly. We only saw it briefly. We're like, let's get the fuck out of here. Yeah, they they can't they don't even hunt over there anymore because too many grizzlies. So that's like It's crazy. That's quite a ways from where we hunt now just because Isn't that crazy? A grizzly starts coming in the bait. You gotta get out of that.

Especially I like to sit on the ground. And they need to start hunting them up them up there too. Yeah. And you know, this is uh the when they changed that law in BC, they made it a fucking disaster up there. There's so many grizzly now. Yeah. And i it's just the people that live in these high population areas that don't have any encounters.

And they're it's ballot box biology. It's people that they're trying to be good people. Do you wanna outlaw trophy hunting? Yeah, these cruel assholes, they just wanna shoot this animal for its skin. Yeah, fuck them. They just wanna m show what a big man they are by killing an animal? Like That guy calls me a trophy hunter. Like he's like he's like oh I understand deer and elk hunting, but not bear. It's just like Well you don't know what you're doing.

How is that any different than deer and elk? My daughter went to school one day and they were asking what your favorite food was and she said bear candy.'Cause Steve Rennella taught me a uh recipe called bear candy. how to make this like it's like a you make it with brown sugar and you cook this bear and it's like a sweet and sour pork kind of deal but with bear it was fucking delicious and I I served it for my kids and

I think she was just trying to like jostle people up a little bit. I ain't care. Well Jin makes some badass bear stir fry. Oh it's fantastic. I mean I was saying like Bear meat is fantastic. I was just thinking to myself, Mountain Offs has those new freeze dried meals. Maybe I need to get some Right. Dehydrated. Some bear meat in there. Yeah. Yeah, we're not going to be able to do that. those meals do.

Yeah. Well it's the best way to do it too if you want to eat clean. If you want to eat clean in the mountains, you can get a dehydrated. For that energy, because just like in ultras and performing, what you're using for calories matters. A hundred percent. So especially on a long hunt, if you can like we had I had some Mountain Ops uh freeze dried uh in there like chicken Alfredo. That's just fucking good good calories.

One hundred percent. And also electrolytes. Boy, I it changed for me when I started using element, when I started pro throwing element in my water when I was out there. Giant difference. Yeah. Get those electrolytes. That's the first thing I drink in the morning as an element. Yeah. Because I know I'm'cause I run every day. I know I I think I've been also like low on sodium for a long time just'cause of how much I run. For sure. Like I run so much like

Yeah, I get sores here because my shirt gets soaked with sweat. Uh-huh and wet clothes sitting on my skin has makes all these sores. from running for hours in in a in a wet shirt. That's crazy. That yeah, that hap I wear like I wore like a A bra? Sort Yeah. It's like a little uh running pack, but it holds my shirt right there on my tits. But this here bounces and it's like just being wet but That's crazy. It does just from being a Running in silk. Just from being warm.

I think that I was sweating so much that when I do that element first thing in the morning, it sets me up for the whole day to to be able to perform at a higher level. Yeah. Even just some sea salt in your water, like you need you need minerals. Everybody does. Need electrolytes. All right. All right, but

Brother, I love you to death. Love you too. You're awesome. Glad you had an opportunity to come on here and this is all very important stuff to talk about. And uh one more time that number for everybody. I want to call that number. I know. Call your Call your center 202-234-3121. Say roadless rule needs to keep stay intact. Mike Lee can suck a big fat one.