#2468 - Luke Grimes

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For years. Well, I've been watching your show for years. Yeah. We rolling, Jamie? All right, beautiful. I love your fucking show. It's great. Ah, thanks, man. It's really awesome. Spe well, I haven't watched Marshalls yet. Is it out now? It is. When did it come out? Uh March 1st. Oh, okay. So they just had the second.

I like to binge, man. I like to wait until stay offline. I like to sit down and binge them. For sure. Yeah, but Yellowstone's fucking awesome. It's such a great show. Did you have any idea it was gonna be what it is? Uh no no. I don't think anybody did. I thought it would find an audience for sure. I mean Taylor was really, you know, hot at the time. He'd he'd he'd I was kinda like surprised he was even writing a television show. He was just like so hot.

How the fuck does that guy even sleep? I don't know man. Where does he have the time? Every time I look in the news or t there's a new show that he's doing, a new thing he's doing, is like w how are you doing all this? Impressive. Right. You know, like some would be like, Could you direct a movie as good as Unforgiven? I'm like, Right. Maybe maybe if I tried real hard, but like could you write ten television shows single handedly? No. No.

He directed Unforgiven? No, I'm just saying like people that I look up to that I'm impressed by. It's like his is a different level. Right. His is like it's like impossible. Who did direct Unforgiven? Clint Swid. Western movie of all time. It is. It's the best. Yeah. It's like you know what it was like to me? It was like he was making up for all the silly westerns and was like, let me show you what it was probably

Yeah. What was really like when a dude was a stone cold killer. Yeah. What what was it really like the hardships of living back? Yeah, and it's interesting too because he starts out kind of a loser. Yeah those first you know, like the first three quarters of the movie he's this sort of timid guy who's lost his power. You know, and then he takes that one s sip of whiskey and it's all over for everybody else. It's a crazy premise. It's such a good movie, though. It's such a good fucking movie.

Yeah, Taylor is a he's a real freak. And there's not a lot of humans like him. And it's his background story is so interesting. You know, like he was just kind of scrambling around till he was almost like. Yeah. It's like a real life Rocky story or something, like Rags to Riches, the whole the whole thing. I know man. It's just I just don't I guess that's why he has so much ambition,'cause he knows what it's like to be poor. You know, he knows it was like barely making it.

Then all of a sudden he's got a kid on the way and he's like, Oh shit, I gotta buckle down and really get moving and pfft. He kept his foot on the gas. Absolutely. Do you guys keep in touch? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, all the time. I love him. He's an awesome dude. I just worry about him. Like you know you do so much. Like don't have a fucking heart attack, man. Don't go crazy. You know what's weird is he does he does ha like have a good time too. It's not like he doesn't hang out with his fans.

That's the the craziest thing to me is like the guy has a r really fun life and is able

I guess like the moral of the story is don't play golf. No shit, man. Tell that to Jamie. If I can get out once a week. Yeah, he's he's an addict. Jamie's an addict. He's got a simulator back there. He's always whacking golf balls.

Yeah, all my friends are trying to get me to play. I'm like, I'm not doing it, man. That's a six hour commitment. Wow man. The the the amount of time it takes to get good enough that it's not the worst thing ever is too much time. Right. And my problem is I'm I'm an addict. Like when I start doing things I just start like okay.

I need to play in the PGA. I start going crazy. I'll start getting lessons. Fuck that. Yeah. Don't do it. We need your show, man. We need you. It's I've well, I'm never doing We can do both. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. We can try it. We can try it out. No, I know all my friends who play fucking love it. Ron White and Tony Hinchcliffe, they go out every day. It's like it's too much, man. I can't do it. Yeah, it's y you can't play golf and do what Taylor's doing, that's for damn sure.

Well how is always how the fuck is Trump doing it? Like he's in the middle of everything. He's always But that's sort of the criticism, right? Is it like he he's playing too much golf and not running the country enough? But don't they say that about every president? Yeah. Like I think it's almost like a prerequisite to be president, you have to play golf. You know? Don't they all do it? I guess so. It's like one of those weird businessmen things. Like they make deals out there.

They have a couple of cocktails, they talk a little shit. Right. Do a bump. Not my thing. Make some deals. I d I just don't I don't know. Something about being on like a manicured lawn that's like I don't know. I'd rather be out in the middle of nowhere. I'm sure I'd love it. I'm sure, which is why I don't do it.

But I play pool and I'm addicted to pool. Like I play pool all the time. That's a it's a real problem. When I lived in New York I was playing like eight hours a day. Yeah. I was playing at tournaments, I was traveling around, it was like I can't I can't get another thing like that. Are you done playing pool? No, I play all the time. Oh, okay. Yeah. But you could play pool for like a couple of hours and stop. Maybe I'll try that.

Pool's fun. Yeah. Yeah. Like real pool, like tournament pool. Uh you know, like competitive, like real p tournament pool, it's legit. But it's like It's another thing. It's it'll get in your blood and then you'll be thinking about it all the time and watching videos and Taking lessons and I'm ready for something though. Yeah? Yeah. Not golf. Pool sounds like Well you have you have music and you have acting. Like you said, that's gotta be kinda hard.

Yeah, it's proving pretty difficult. And I have an eighteen month old mix. Yeah. So no sleep. Uh yeah, we're we're getting there. I I you know, the the music thing is sort of It's kinda nice'cause there's not a lot of pressure on it. You know, for me. I'm I I have a day job, you know. I have this thing that supports my family and the music I can do to like my passion level, uh, you know, and I d uh and I wouldn't do it to the point where I'm like, oh

So I can I like making the music. Touring is kinda hard and it's and it's also new for me. So learning how to do that at forty was uh kind of interesting. You know, I feel like in my twenties that the most fun ever. Yeah. Sleeping on a bus with twelve dudes and just going from city to city and you know, drinking backstage and playing country music, that would have been a blast. But I'm, you know, two old

To do that the right way. Yeah. When you tour, do you go out or do you do like a weekend and then come? Or do you think that's a good thing? So you're doing like three shows like Thursday, Friday, Saturday,'cause you've got the bus rented, you've got all the equipment rented, you've got the guys. salary. So you just have to keep going. It's actually really hard to for it to pencil out when you're just doing a show here and there. Right. Yeah.

That's stand-up comedy so much easier in that regard. I've only done one stand-up comedy tour tour. I did it with Charlie Murphy and We did this Bud Light Maxim tour back in two thousand seven and we did like twenty two dates in a month. And so it was like I would wake up and I wouldn't know where I was. I'd look at the ceiling, I'm where the fuck am I? I don't I f I would have to think.

stage fright when you started doing stand-up. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The first day. I was more f afraid the first time I got on stage than I was the first time I fought. It was nuts. Yeah. I was like, why am I so nervous? I was like w I was thinking about chickening out. I was thinking about not doing it. I do that every time I play a music show. I'm like, can I just call it off? Do you still get stage fright right now?

Really bad. Really? Well that's the thing, man. I've I've I'd always played music but and and when I was playing in bands and playing out I was the drummer. Oh. So but I always wrote songs and stuff, but I never thought I had never had ambition around like I wanna be the guy in front of the microphone. That was never

And then, you know, to be able to make an album which I wanted to do, you have to go stand in front of the microphone. And that's the hard part for me. I love being in the studio. I love writing the songs. I love making the music, recording the music, but there's something about Knowing that all these people have shown up and bought a ticket to see you and you're like all of a sudden this thing

They bought a ticket, imposter syndrome, you're not good enough for them to have spent their money. And you know, it's just this whole thing and it's like, dude, shut up. I know it's gonna be okay, but it doesn't matter. Every time I still get Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Everybody that I've talked to that's saying it's like the really cookie ones don't like I don't think Kanye's ever got

Syndrome. You know what I'm saying? It's like the the w I'm better be also he's a genius. But it's like the ones who were sane like it doesn't make any sense. Like none of it makes sense.

Yeah. Well I I get it in droves. And and way more for the music than the acting. But it's again, I've I've been acting in film and TV. When did you first get on stage to sing? How old were you? Um, the very first show I played. 39. Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah. Like I had done karaoke before, right? But Uh you know, I it kinda came about in the weirdest way. I I literally was on set one day and get a call out of the blue from this manager, this music.

Matt Graham, who's a great manager in a really But he called and said, Hey, I know you don't know who I am, but I know that you're a musician and you know. I love Yellowstone, I love you in that show. Would is that something y you would want to take seriously? And I was like Like, what does that mean? He's like I bet I could get you a record deal. And I was like, No man, that's no no I don't want to do that. And we talked for two years

And over the course of the two years I really started to trust him. He sort of like explained to me what you know what would be And long story short, my f my father passed away somewhere in there and sort of one of the last things he sort of conveyed to me was like if there's anything And

It's something about that moment and I was like, I'm just gonna fucking do it. You know, I don't care. I'm what's what's the worst thing that can happen? I'm another actor who made a goofy album. Right. So what I got to do. Um, so I did and then immediately it's like, Well now you have to go tour it. Otherwise, you know, they're not gonna put up the money for you to make these things if you don't go sell it, you know. So the tour is sort of to get the music out there and get people buying.

And so yeah, first show it was in Billings, Montana for I think it was twelve hundred people. Whoa. Um, this place called I think it was Pub Station. What was that like first time doing it? Dude. I blacked out. Like not drinking, like I just blacked out on nerves, dude. Like it you know, it started, my knees were shaking, my hands were shaking. This is before I knew about like beta blockers or anything like that. And

I the show was over and I was like, how how was was that okay? How well how'd that go? And everyone's like, it was good. You know, it was good. I was fine. The fourth show I ever played was Stagecoach. Whoa. Yeah. Um that's nuts. It was crazy. I mean it was earlier in the day. It's not like I had, you know, a hundred thousand people out there, but still that's a big stage. That's a big stage. And um yeah. I so but you know, little by little it got

Somewhat better. I don't black out anymore. I kinda I know where I'm at and I'm I'm there. But uh it's still something I deal with. Oliver Anthony, the first show he ever played live in front of people was like twenty thousand people. It's so nuts. Wasn't it like that? It was huge, right? It was like it was some it was a gigantic crowd. I I don't think I would exaggerate.

Because he got really famous before he ever went on tour. That one song, Richmond North of Richmond, that that song like in instantly made him famous. He wrote a rock. That rarely happens. There's you know few people know that feeling. Well, he w he was freaking out. Like uh I became friends with him like right when it was happening'cause he was like a little lost and he said a bunch of people I go, let's talk.

So we got on the phone. Like it was before He had you know, he had gotten a ton of record deals and all these different people were saying you know, hey sign with me, we'll give you a X amount of money in advance. I go, don't sign nothing. And he was like, Everybody's telling me that I gotta act strike while the iron's caught. I go, no, no, no, no, no. I go, dude, you got talent. I go, you got real talent. You're always

It's just a matter of putting in the work and you're gonna be huge. You don't need these people. These people are all vampires. They're all just trying to suck on your neck. Don't let'em. Don't let'em. Thank God he listened. Because he was getting offers like seven million dollars. He was a fucking heavy equipment salesman, you know, and so and then all of a sudden he's like, What the fuck is going on? One song with him and a guitar just standing in a field. That's all it took.

That's amazing. I mean it's how it should be, right? I have the complete opposite story. My story's not cool at all. I'm like, I'm a successful actor and I got a record deal for no reason. Yeah, but you had a record deal because y you wanted to do it,'cause you're interested in that too. Like you can do anything you wanna do. Like just because you're a successful actor

Doesn't mean you can't do it. Right. But I think, you know, m a lot of the thing with music is the story of the person. So I knew going in like I don't have the best story. I I I d I do come from nothing and I did work my ass off. But you know, the the my way into the music was But sometimes that's good because it makes you work harder to prove to people that you're legit.

Yeah,'cause you have this thing over your head where they're like, Fuck that pretty boy motherfucker T V star, motherfucker Fuck that dude. Fuck Casey Dutton. So the music's gonna have to be good enough. That's just sort of the thing. That's all it is. It's just it just will force you to work harder, but it's just

Everybody's story's different. That's what makes it fun. If everybody had the same story, you know. Yeah. I mean you're kind of the the king of following your passion, right? You've you've done that. Yeah, I've been super lucky, you know. I just lucky that there's a job for all these things I like. You know? There wasn't.

Well there wasn't for this one. Yeah. This one there was other people doing it already, but it wasn't a job for the longest time. It's kind of a fun story that me and my wife always joke around about'cause like one time she was taking the kid we were s all supposed to go to Disneyland, but I I had to.

this podcast. Oh my god. She was like, You don't have to do it. I go, but I do. I do it every week. But it wasn't really making any money back then. But it was like I promised people would be out. Like I gotta do it. And now she's like, Thank God you didn't listen to me

It's just I d I mean, I got lucky. I I came in right at the right time. There was only a few people doing it back then and I just did it for fun. I just thought that would be fun to do. Yeah. And then all of a sudden it became a job. And with the UFC stuff too. Yeah. That too. That was fun too. Did you think that would become what it became? When I first started doing it was in nineteen ninety seven.

And it was uh in a high school auditorium in Dothan, Alabama and we had to take a propeller plane to get there and uh it was banned from cable so you could only watch it on direct T V This is UFC twelve and wow. There. And no one was watching it. And I was already on a T V show. I was on News Radio. And the people on news radio, like the actors and the producers, they're like, What are you doing?

You're flying to go do cage fighting? It was almost like I was doing porn. Or s fucking snuff films or something. It's like dude, you're gonna ruin your life doing. I was like, I don't I don't know what you guys are talking about. This is what I've always wanted to see. I've always wanted to see all the best martial artists of different styles get together. Nobody ever did it. These guys are doing it. I'm gonna go. Yeah. Like this is

I remember renting the like first few from Blockbuster. Yeah. Oh the best. It was like Blood Sport back then. Oh yeah. Oh it changed my life. I got UFC two was the first one. The first one wasn't available. You had to get two was the only one. And it was on VHS. And I had a buddy of mine who told me about it. He's like dude you gotta see this.

He goes, they got these guys, they're fighting in a cage, and this one dude's just choking everybody and he's wearing a ghee. I was like, Really? What is it? And then I watched. Holy shit. Yeah. I was hooked like right away.

Fucking did it. They actually did it. Cause like when I was a kid, everybody thought that what they were if you did karate, you thought karate was the best. If you thought judo, you thought judo was the best. And nobody really knew what was the most effective martial art, because nobody had ever put together

Right. So once it happened, I mean it was just such a huge part of my life. I was like, I'm not gonna not do this just because it's bad for my acting career. I'm like if my acting career goes away, I I don't you know, whatever. I'm only doing out. You were the only person in LA with that mentality, by the way. That really served you well. Well, I wasn't supposed to be in LA. You know, I mean I only came to LA

I uh the and I would have moved back. I was living in New York and um I did a show called Hardball and that got canceled and the only reason why I stayed is because I got a lease on an apartment.

I was fully ready to get out of there. I was like, I gotta get the fuck out of this place. I hated it. I hated being around actors. I hated being around producers and casting agents. I was used to being around fighters and comedians and pools. Like the the rawest, funniest, like m outcasts of society. Like those are my people.

I was used to like cracking jokes with friends and everybody was like busting on each other and everybody had a great sense of humor just silly weirdos. And then all of a sudden I'm around these people that like all had. predetermined things that they thought they should say so they would say'em, you know, and everybody had like it was all group think. It was like, oh

Fucking horrible. Yeah, I always say that felt like when I lived in L I lived in LA for sixteen years and and you know, I don't wanna complain about it. I was obvio obviously good to me. Like it you know, helped my life quite a bit. But it always felt like

Everybody was trying to become the same person. Yeah. But they don't know who that person is. I'm like, can we can you just tell me who the person is so I can you know what I mean? There's like a memo that went out that I didn't get or something. Yeah. Nobody got that memo. They were all playing it by ear, you know? And th they were just it was all dependent upon what the producers and the casting.

So everybody would sort of adapt. Like whenever you got a place where everybody has the same politics, that's not a good sign. Mm-hmm. Like that something's gone wrong. And everybody has these progressive left wing regardless of whether or not any of their positions make sense. They all just sort of spit it out. Well I think it's just that there is sort of a desperation that gets bred from I mean these people left their families. They moved away. They

left everything they've ever known and gave up a lot of comfort and security and love to to follow this dream. Yeah. And so that that dream becomes more and more and more important. You need it more and more because now you have nothing else. Yeah. You've given everything else up. And so I think at that point you can you can sort of mold people.

Oh for sure. It ruins comics. Yeah. Because when comics start doing well, one of the first as soon as they start getting on television, the first thing they start doing is tempering their material. They tone it down a little bit, take the edge off, don't say anything that can get you in trouble. And you know, generally those are the funniest things. The funniest things are the things that can go terribly wrong, you know, and and get you in trouble. So they do that.

And then just you know, they become like an I always call it the Velvet Prison. 'Cause you get locked into that velvet prison. You get get on T V, you get get money, but also you become Just one of everybody else. Yeah. It's are it's hard not to do. I mean I'm that's where I'm at, you know. I still have a boss. Yeah. You know, my my checks are written by a very specific company that, you know, I have to be careful sometimes. I know. You know, even doing this today, I'm like

Just a little bit. I don't want to do that to you and sit here and like police myself the whole time, but I gotta be like just don't say this. Right. Oh yeah. No, I'm firmly aware of it. People come in here and I I could see it in their face, like please. Stay away from that today. Yeah, but people I mean it's it's you know, it's a tricky situation. And the the thing about LA too is

Everybody has to get picked for stuff. Yeah. It's not like even like music, like especially like look at Oliver Anthony. No music deal, no nothing. Just put something on YouTube, blows up. Yeah. That's a real in this day and age, that's a real thing. But in acting

Still you have to get chosen. You have to get cast for something. And just that weird thing alone where you're going into this thing and these people have to approve you. And most of the people that get involved in acting in the first place A lo a large percentage of'em, they did it because they didn't get enough attention when they were younger.

And this is like they they just wanna make up for well that's why I became a comedian, I'm pretty sure. You know, it's all the same kind of mindset. Like there's something about you that wants to be famous, right? You know, unless you're like someone who's just in love with the craft of acting, you know. Right. Which how could you be when you know, I made the decision that I wanted to be an actor when I was like five years old. Really? I didn't know what a the craft of acting.

My thing though, honestly, was I I loved movies so much. I think I just because I I I liked them more than my life. You know, I wanted to live in the movies. I didn't know what making them would actually be like. I didn't know what that career looked like. I didn't know what acting was.

But I would go to the movie theater and want to be in it. And I'd also see the guy and I I don't know, whatever the skill set was, I was like, Whatever they're doing, I think I can do that. I I think I have whatever that is and you know, thank God I was at least someone Well it's a interesting thing, right? Because It's a craft that seems like you're just doing normal life.

Right? Like you're you're pretending, but you're you're acting and behaving in a way that people do act and behave. Like that's the key to it. It has to be believable. Yeah. So most people watch it go, I can Like it's this is normal life. Acting like they're in normal.

Right. But what you don't realize is that there's like a dude with a beard with a microphone in your face and two hundred people standing around waiting for you to be done so they can do their job and sipping coffee, shaking their head point at their watch. Maybe you fuck up a line like oh Jesus, yeah. Fucking unprofessional. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah, it's a weird gig, man. It's a weird gig. And it's not what most people think it is. And you could tell that by the like the masters, the real masters.

You know, when you see like uh Daniel Day Lewis do Whatever he's doing, I'm not doing that. That's a yeah, that's a fucking totally different thing. Right. This guy's in some weird place where he becomes Gary Oldman becomes a different person every movie and you believe it. Yeah. That's the real craft of it, right? Where like I fucking know that's Gary Oldman, right? But he's different in every m now he's Dracula and I believe it. He's amazing. Both of those guys.

You ever watched that show um Slow Horses? I love it. It's a fucking great show, right? It's a great show. I can't wait for the new season. I hooked. Somebody told me about it and I was a little skeptical for All right. And you never see like a lead, your your number one, be like a total piece of shit. Right. Total piece of shit. Yeah. Except Tony Soprano. There you go. Yeah. Yeah. Like a guy who's a murderer and a thief and you love him. He was so good. Yeah, there's another. Gandalf, man.

And there wasn't acting like that in television yet. No. That was like the first of its kind. Yeah. And even within that show, he was doing something though. Right. And that's hard to that's hard to keep up for you know, you can if you do it for a film you're doing it for a couple months. You know, at that at that level of intensity. But to do that for seven years for months and months at a time is Well there was a danger in it. Like a real danger. Like there's something about that dude.

while he was alive. He had demons but in his brain. Like you could tell. Right. Like there was moments the these menacing moments where he was like threatening someone or doing something. That's coming from a real place. Right. That guy ain't you know, there's some guys who play tough guys in movies, like I'm not Вот так.

Oh, okay. Yeah, you don't want to piss him off in real life. Well, he's also out of fucking control. You know, have you ever uh see the list of the things that he consumed before he died? I have seen

Bananas. Yeah. I mean he was just off the rails. Crazy. Just out of his fucking mind. But have you seen the Hunter S. Thompson one? Oh dude. We narrated it. We read it and then this guy what was the dude? What's the guy's name that turned it into a song? I don't know. Let's see. There's a there's a uh a dance song Like uh electric music dance song. I haven't heard that. With me and my friend Greg Fitzsimmons were reading off Hunter S. Thompson's

like his daily routine. Beardy man. Or this Beardy Man. Yeah. Shout out to Beardy Man. It's pretty dope. Play it. Fuck it. Can we? I we get in trouble? We can. Yeah. But it's uh It's a banana's routine. And you know, at the end of his life, I'm a giant hunter as time.

tell and walking through the all the artwork. But at the end of his life, like he couldn't even talk. Like he did an appearance once on Conan O'Brien and it to me was like one of the saddest things. Like you could barely understand what he was saying. He's just mumbling and He uh when he was young he was so fucking smooth and articulate and interesting and fascinating and And it just dressed.

Just drugs and booze just cooked his brain. I'll have to do a deep dive on him. I d I've never read any of his stuff. Really? No, I haven't. Oh, just read just start off with Fear and Loathing. Okay. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. was a he got a assignment to cover I think it was a motorcycle race. That was the job I had.

So I think it was for sports illustrator or something like that. He got a a job to just cover a race and he goes down there and just Brings every kind of fucking drug known to man, drives through the desert in a convertible with his friend and just writes this insane book. It's completely insane. It's nothing to do with this motorcycle race. It's just all about the chaos of being out of your fucking mind in Vegas.

And it's brilliant. It's so good. Check it out. Do you like Vegas? I mean I'm there a lot for fights. And when I go, we go to a restaurant, I go play pool, I go to the fights. I don't Do anything else. So it's like for me, it's like, yeah, there's great restaurants, you know, the fights are awesome. I love doing that. So it's like, but

There's something about it where I ever every time I go there I'm like, Could I live here? Like I was actually talking to my friend Tony Hinchcliffe about it this past weekend. We were just there for the fights. And um I was saying, like, what if a I was'cause you know, Kill Tony is this gigantic show now, it's huge. He sells out arenas all over the country with it, it's on Netflix. And I was saying, like, what if a v a Vegas casino offered you a fucking pile?

Would you do you think you could ever live here? Like even if you know that the vampire's in the other room and he's not gonna bite your neck, it's like he's right You know that's like for sure. I don't think it's good for you. Vegas to me is like you know when you

You have a big night out on a certain type of booze and you get sick. And then then any time you drink that booze after that that that's Vegas to me. Right. Anytime I land in Vegas I'm like, Oh, I just feel gross.'Cause I remember the last time I was there or the first time. Yeah, it's I think the people that live outside of Vegas, like people live in Henderson and places like that, they love it.

'Cause it's really nice out there. Like you go out to the outskirts of Vegas. There's beautiful neighborhoods and nice communities and like great stores and restaurants and stuff. It's nice. But you're still next to the Death Star. Right. It's like this big neon fucking vacuum just sucking people's money out of them. I've never been off of a strip. Maybe I should try that out. Yeah. Yeah. There's a there's there's great restaurants and great neighborhoods like

It's fine outside. But the reason why they're there is because of the desert. Like that's what brings everybody there. You know, everybody's there to just lose all their money. Yeah, make really bad decisions. Yeah. Like I m all my friends who gamble, when I would go there with them, I go, Look at this place. See how big it is? How do you think they got that money? Yeah.

This isn't this isn't like a fair exchange like they're giving you goods and you're giving them money. No, this is like they're giving you this like crazy proposition where you think you're gonna play blackjack and win a billion dollars. And if you win too much money they kick you out. Did you ever gamble? Was that ever no, no, no, no, no. Not really. I mean I've I've bet some money on fights of I've played blackjack a few times but

But my friend Dana White, he's a fucking degenerate. Like a crazy degenerate. That's what I'm saying. I went to visit him recently. So he was at Red Rocks Casino and uh a couple of my other buddies were there, so we showed up and went into the blackjack room and he was there. And when I got there, he was down six hundred thousand dollars. When I got there.

And it was a normal night for him. And he wasn't even nervous. He was like, Hey, what's up? He's shaking like shake my hand, give me a hug. All these other people are there and I got fucking massive anxiety. Yeah. I was like, This is crazy. How are you and then so him and and Jamie was there too, and him and uh uh Taylor Luan, the football player

He he coaches Taylor how to how to play blackjack and so they got together, he tells them when to hit and when not to hit and they did it right next to us. Within five minutes Taylor was down a hundred and twenty five thousand dollars. I was like what are you doing? Oh man. Yeah. He got up and then they quit. So he quit ahead. I think he won like a hundred grand and then he quit.

That that's what they're doing now? Yeah. It's like up to five hundred K per hand or something like that. Which one's back or at? How do you play that? I I I've tried to watch it. You're betting on the dealer or the player. Is that the big long table with all the I don't understand it. It's not like r it's not as long as uh like roulette. So Dana's onto that now or Taylor? I think that room

So you could g gamble more? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's mainlining the gamble now. He told a story on um I think it was Was it flagrant? It was flagrant, where he talked about losing like six million dollars in one night.

Yeah, what? Yeah. That's my theory about Slap Fight, why they're doing Slap Fight. I think it's Dana's gambling money. That's what I think. I think it's like it needs some source of revenue outside of the UFC so it doesn't doesn't lose his UFC money because it's tough to watch.

I don't know. I've watched a couple of clips. Sorry, Dana, I know you but it's tough to watch. I don't like it. Just people getting brain damage over and over again. Yeah, it's not my thing. I don't get it. It's and it's all like the saddest people getting white. It's not a good thing. Not good. Yeah. They call it fights too. Like, okay, okay, you know. I mean I guess. You should come up with another name. It's kind of insulting to an actual fight. Right.

That's my theory. Is that that's his uh gambling money.'Cause that fucking dude gambles.'Cause I asked him once, I go, You like living here? He's a good friend of mine, but he's a different person than me. That's awesome. I'm not that's not me. Yeah. If I lived in Vegas I'd live way outside of Vegas and even that

'Cause we've talked about um you know, we have uh a comedy club in town, the Comedy Mothership, and we talked about doing another mothership. And the two most likely places that we would be able to do it are New York and Vegas. So we talked about doing one in Vegas. Man, the only way it would work is I'd I'd have to be there a lot. Like we'd have to be there a lot and we'd have to l you know, we'd have to make sure

It's run right, that it's like run with the same vibe that we run in it here, where everybody's cool, there's no assholes, everybody's real friendly and real supportive of new comedians and then I'd have to spend a lot of time there. I'm like, I don't wanna do that. Right. Wouldn't New York be like returning to where you cut your teeth or something?

And in order to have a really good comedy club, you've you can't Y you can't just start it out like you can't just go like to Columbus, Ohio or Cincinnati or I guess Columbus has like a little bit But you'd have to have a real scene with like real headliners and a a like top level talent. And the way we were able to pull it off in Austin is everybody moved here during the pandemic.

Like me and Tony moved Braun White moved here first and then me and Tony moved here and then once we started doing shows we were talking to all our friends in LA and LA was shut down during the pandemic. And so everybody just kinda moved out here at least temporarily.'Cause comedians are junkies. Like they want to go on stage. And and w it was taken away from them for a year and a half in LA. Couldn't perform. In in LA for a year and a half.

And out here we were just doing shows like in November of twenty twenty. Wow like it was Indoor shows, super spreader shows. And and so because of the super spray, I forgot about that word. Tom Segura moved here, Christina Bazitsky moved here, Tim Dillon moved here. I mean it's just like er Shane Gillis moved here. It was like we had so many like national headliners.

we could pull off a club. Yeah. But you have to have that kind of thing where it's not just the weekends, but you have to have like Tuesday shows, Wednesday shows. It has to be like a lot of people around that you could have a show with.

The infrastructure. Yeah. I randomly lived in uh Austin during COVID. Oh really? My wife and I we got married in November of twenty nineteen. She's from Brazil and I'm from Ohio. So we had no

There was nowhere we were gonna live or it was gonna feel like home, but we you know I'd lived in LA for sixteen years. I was ready to get We wanted to start a family somewhere else and uh we didn't know where to go, so we we came here in December of twenty nineteen and we had the best two months ever and then everything shut down and we're stuck in an apartment don't

And you know, it didn't really get a fair shake. We loved it while it was going and then uh yeah, I I did about two months of lockdown, couldn't do it anymore, and then we bought an airstream and just started traveling around and then I had to be in Montana for work for Yellowstone. And we parked the airstream up there and never left. Oh wow.

It's the best. It's so great. It's so beautiful. Last time I was there was in the summer. Well actually last time I was there I was hunting with Bourdain. We went pheasant hunting there. That was pretty cool. Oh yeah. What part? Oh I forgot. I forgot where we were. I n I'm pretty sure I flew into Bozeman, but I think we're outside of Billings. Okay. I forget. Um but

the in the summer there is insane. Yeah. Perfect. It's so beautiful. Perfect. Like everything's green and you see the mountains and we heard wolves hallowing one one night and you see Elk Hurts just chilling on the side of a hill. Like God, this place is magical. And it doesn't get dark till like eleven at night. Right. Yeah. It's very confusing to know like when to eat dinner'cause you're just like it's light for so long. But then in the wintertime the you know, the exchanges it gets dark.

Um but yeah, we love it man. It's the best thing that's ever happened. of just sort of like all the LA stuff we were talking about. Mm-hmm. It's the opposite of that. The opposite. There's I have no FOMO about anything anymore, you know. Oh that's great. I I can just think and sleep and read and watch films. Yeah. Well your show made a lot of fucking people move out.

That's true. Yeah. They're and they're not happy about it. The the valley that I live in we had some people come visit us, our friends from California drove out and we went on a hike and uh we were in their car. They had you know, Cali played. And we get off the hike, and someone had written go back in the dust on their car. Like people are super weird about so I don't tell anyone like exactly where I'm at because they would get.

Dude, that happened in 2012. I was hunting in Montana. We went to the Missouri Breaks and um we we were going to this restaurant and one of the guys in the restaurant had it he had his car parked. And it was like a rental car and someone had wrote go back home you know, like Montanas for Montanans or something like that. They wrote it in the dirt. Right. Which is dumb because if they have the plates they clearly aren't living. Right. Yeah. Yeah, but it's just

You're gonna get retards in every state. Like if you have a hundred people, one of'em's a fucking idiot. Sure. Right? And if you got a a town of, you know, X amount of a hundred thousand people, you're gonna have a good amount of fucking.

For sure. Those are the ones like this is our place. We own it. This is our dirt. Meanwhile, someone moved there at some point. Exactly. You know, like somewhere along the line, someone moved there. And all you did was stay. Exactly. You didn't do anything that cool. Exactly. You know what I mean? Exactly. Exactly. And that one guy I I can't go to bars there anymore'cause whatever that one idiot is is at the bar. Of course. And he can't wait to start.

Just like can't wait to do it.'Cause like it's a win win for him. You know, he gets to sue me or something. I don't know, you know, but it's a lose lose for me. Well it's just like his life is empty and it's like all of a sudden there's purpose and it's like you ruined Montana Fuck off. Right. Yeah. Or my favorite is when they call people colonizers. That's my favorite Like bro, if you don't live in Ethiopia

Someone in your ancestor was a colonizer. Oh a hundred percent. Period. Yeah. We all had to come from somewhere. Also, isn't it like The most American thing ever is that I can choose where I want to live. That should be celebrated. It should be. Yeah. The idea that oh we were here first those are the same idiots that hate when a band becomes successful? 'Cause like oh I knew'em when they were underground. Now they sold out. Yeah. It's just it's just a moron mentality.

No matter where you go. But Montanans are like fiercely proud of being from Montana. Yeah. They'll always tell you what generation they are. Right. Third generation Montana. That's so silly. Yeah. And I'm not Montana, but my son will be, you know? Yeah. He can say that he is this generation. Right. It's like an anchor baby. Yeah. Yeah, he can go fly fishing and no one's gonna give him a hard time. That's right. I was born here. Okay. Yeah, you're good. You gotta haul pass.

Yeah, but like people that live in like that Yellowstone place, you know that um Yellowstone Club. Yeah, that place. Like those are like fake Montanans to Montanans. I have a buddy who lives up there and he was saying I don't know the fuck anybody would live up there. Awesome. What's wrong with you? It's still Montana. Like let let it go. Right. They just had some problem with uh

Sewage being dumped into the river or something like that. The Yellowstone Club? Oh god. Yeah, the the locals were very angry. And I don't know if that's locals like making some stuff up to sort of cause a problem, but they were saying that they were finding sewage from Wow. Yeah, I have to look that up. Oh, wow. Yeah, that's...

That's the problem with rich people. Yeah. Rich people are like fuck everybody else. I haven't been to that place, but I heard it's awesome. And the views I'm I've seen photographs of it. God, the fucking views. Yeah. The the thing about it is like everybody will tell you like when you're surrounded by those mountains and you look out at them every day, it like centers you and it humbles.

That's exactly right. It's like the most spectacular natural art you're ever gonna see. It's around you all the time. And I drink my coffee every morning looking out the window and it looks like a painting and it never gets off. You know, if if the if we need to go to the grocery store, I'm like, I'll do it.'Cause it's so fun to drive there. You know, you get out, you t put some tunes on, it's the best thing ever. Versus like living in LA to go anywhere was the the worst thing ever. Right.

Um yeah. Everything's a pleasure. It's really it's something. But if you if you if you need any sort of like fast pace or socialization or if you're like trying to meet a babe or something, it's not gonna happen. There's no people dude. Yeah. There's a little of that in Austin. They're upset that the California Yeah.

And Elon. Sure. They blamed us for for moving here and ruining Austin. Like sorry we made it more awesome. Fucking pussies. Shut your mouth. It's it's all the same thing. It's like people that want credit for being here for Now you have more restaurants, way more comedy. There's like seven comedy clubs on my On the street where my club is, there's seven comedy.

That's amazing. It's like one of the the big hubs of live comedy in the world now. Did it have it at all before? It had a couple places. There was a place uh called Cap City that actually went under before the Or actually, like right at the beginning of the pandemic. When I got here, it was for sale. And so I was looking at that place to buy.

And then there was another there's another place that's been around forever called the Velveeta room, but it's a real small room. I think And then you know, I think there was maybe a couple other bars that maybe had comedy and there was like a small scene of some comedians but nothing. Like it's not even not even comparable. I mean, there's like seventeen, eighteen world class comics that live here now. Wow. It's crazy. And talk about stage fright. I think that is that would be the hardest art.

Just scaring up you have no help. There's nothing to hide behind. Right. There's no music. Right. There's like you know it's just silence and you and a microphone. You can't just get into your tune and fucking just play close your eyes. No, there was a there was a film actually one time that I was attached to to play a stand up comedian and I

I promised the director that if we got our funding and got the green light to go that I'd go do it. That I'd actually go out and like work up fifteen minutes and just, you know, do it until I understood what it was like. And that movie fell through and I was very, very happy about it. 'Cause I didn't want to do it. It's hard. I bet man. It's it's confusing'cause the people are just talking

Why is that hard to do? Everybody talks, you know, like everybody could tell a story. Everybody could and it seems easy to do until you do it and then you're like, Oh, this is But I was hooked right away because right I d I sucked the first night. But I was like I got a couple of laughs on some things and I was like I think I can figure this out. But I was like I said, I was more scared than when I was fighting. I was more scared before like a big fight

It was weird. I was like, why am I nerv uh it didn't make any sense. My friend Whitney Cummings explained it to me. She said people have this fear of public speaking because in tribal societies Back in the day, the only time you spoke in front of a large group of people was when you're being judged because they were gonna kill you. Oh, interesting. Right. Yeah. Doesn't that make sense? Yeah. Yeah. So like if you're front of front of the people they're all like

What did he do? You know, so you have to like guys, I didn't steal the tomatoes. Yeah, I never thought about that. Yeah. That's what it is. Yeah, no place to hide, man. I don't know. That that sounds scary. And especially if like it starts going bad. Like if you start to bomb. Mm-hmm.

Is there is there any way out of that or is it people have recovered. Yeah. People have started off bombing and then pulled themselves out of it. I've done it a couple of times. Most of the time when I'm bombing, I'm bombing forever. But the there's a good to that.

All right. The good is you have to re examine your material and you uh every time in my career in the like the early days when I bombed, I always got way better at Because I was like, whatever the fuck that was, I don't want to experience that again and I really focused and really, really wrote like crazy and went over recordings and buttoned down and trimmed things and changed things around.

You y you need losses. Losses are very important. They're important in fighting. They're important in con they're all important in every they're important in life. Like uh one of my kids just had a breakup recently and I had a conversation. But this is actually important. Like it has

And I told her like about like the first time a girl broke up with me when I was seventeen. I was devastated. Oh the worst. Oh my god. Couldn't believe my life was over. I'm only seventeen. I can I'm never gonna recover. I'm like, it's so important. Because you realize like Time passed.

you understand that this is just a moment in time and there's other people you're gonna meet and li and it's just you have to develop some resiliency, some emotional resiliency. Right. And so you have to experience that. And you also have to realize that

You know, people they don't know what they're doing either. Like boys don't know what they're doing, girls don't know what they're doing. They're kind of figuring it out as they go along. The people break up and they make up and these are these lessons that you have to learn in life. Loss is important.

understand like why'd this person get sick of me? Why am I annoying? Why you know what you know am I selfish? Like what is it? Like what is wrong with me? You know, why you know why am I picking these people that are gonna break my heart? Why don't I adjust? Why don't I like maybe I should spend some time alone and figure out what the fuck is wrong with me or figure out who I am. moments where you have to kinda

go through things and figure them out. They're so important for you in life. And for a comic, bombing can oftentimes be one of the best like motivating factors to take you to another level in your career. Mm. Or

Wreck your confidence forever. Right. Just like fighting. Yeah, I was gonna say it happens to fighters. Oh yeah. Some fighters lose and they're never the same again. And some fighters lose and then a new version of them emerges in the next fight. You're like, Whoa, this dude dialed in. Who would be a good example of that? Charles Oliveira. Oh yeah. Yeah. He's the best. Because for the longest time everybody thought he was a quitter. Like he would just break and now

alive. Yeah. You know, especially this last weekend, the fight with Max Holloway, like good lord. Like Max Holloway was a two to one favorite in that fight. He got shut out. Yeah. Like literally every round was a dominant performance by Oliveira. It was crazy. It's funny people complaining about that fight too.

It's like the'cause it was on the ground. Right. Yeah. Yeah. My daughter complained about it. Did she say a the main event was so boring. You're a casual. My kid's a casual. People love a slug fest, don't they? Oh yeah, they do. You know, yeah. Sport. Sport is like sometimes it's gonna be exciting and sometimes it's just gonna be a ground battle. But for me it was exciting because I was trying to figure out whether Max could get up.

what he could do to prevent from getting taken down and whether or not he could figure out a way to reverse the position and get on top and You know, when you're watching like a guy dominate a world champion like that, it's just you're in marvel. Crazy. I can't believe he's able to do this. This is nuts.

I wish I would have started jujitsu when I was small. 'Cause I tried like, you know, late thirties and I was like it was kinda like the golf thing where I was like, Well, first of all, it's way cooler than golf. But I was like the the amount of time it's gonna take me until this doesn't feel like being smothered. Yeah. I'm sure. Yeah, like if well how long would it take for like

A grown person until it until you actually know what's going on intuitively and it doesn't feel like chaos. Like, well there's there's layers of knowing intuitively. Like there's guys Like even as a black belt, there's guys that I could roll with and I would just get humiliated. Because they're just so much better than I am. Like my friend Gordon Ryan, that's his belt up there, Abu Dhabi champion. He's the greatest of all time. Like in these thirty. Yeah. The greatest graphic.

He's a s he's a freak. He's amazing. But he trains three hundred and sixty-five days a year. He does not take breaks. Christmas, fuck you. It's your birthday? Fuck you. Happy Easter. Fuck you. Yeah. He trains every day and he trains like twice a day, three times a day. It's like that is the only way to be the greatest. And you know and he's obviously a lot bigger than me but it's not the best example but he does that to heavyweight black

Just humiliates them. They have n he writes down on a piece of paper what he's gonna do to them and hands it to the judges before the fight. So he's like I'm gonna Like and he's doing it to world champions. It's amazing. Like guys who have been like multiple time world champions. Wow. And he's just predicting what he's gonna do. And then he passes on every submission until he can get him in that. Like he's having fun. He's like he's playing with his food. You know, so there's levels to stuff.

So to be competent in rolling, you could get there in a couple of years, depending on how often you train. Like Bourdain got really serious at fifty eight. Wow. At fifty eight. That's when he started. That's when he started. Yeah. Oh. When I first met him, he wasn't training at all. When I first met him, um, he came to the UFC. His wife was really into the UFC, and she was she had just started doing

And um she was getting him into the sport and he really got interested in it. And then she took it him to jujitsu classes and like, fuck this is actually Yeah. And he had never done any kind of athletic things in his whole life. And then like when he was six, there's a photo of him like in his sixties. And he's walking down the street with his he'd gotten divorced and he was dating some new girl and he's got the six. They look shredded.

And when I when I first met him he was like doughy and he had a thumb ring and he was like, you know, a chef and you know, he was into drinking and he just became a a jujitsu addict and he was training every fucking day. And sometimes twice a day. He would do a private lesson and then we'd take a class every day. Wow. Yeah, he got a and then he w he told me he was taking his like when we were hunting in Montana, he w we were on the ground in Montana. He wanted to like learn some stuff.

So I was explaining him certain but like I'm like when you go for a darst there's a way to get there's a thing called a Japanese necktie and I was explaining to him on the dirt. I was like, You guys all camoed out doing G J Jitsu? On the ground. But he was like he was so interested in it that we was he was like constantly asking questions.

And he had guys that were in the crew that had also gotten interested in jujitsu because of him. So like while he was there filming his show, he also went down and was training. He found a local jiu-jitsu. And he went down there and trained while he was there. foreign countries and train, like he didn't even speak the language and you know, he's just fucking famous guy from T V and he's just rolling in there with like normal people and getting strangled.

Fifty eight, man. That's incredible. Fifty eight. I have no excuse. I'm I'm gonna start. Yeah, do it. I wanna put it in front of my kid for sure. Oh definitely. I mean I'm as soon as he can do it I want him to try. You know, it's if he likes it or not, but it's like I feel like it's one of those things It's so good to connect with other people in that way from such a young age. It gives you confidence. And then

If you if you love it, if you if he has a passion for it, you don't have to worry about him becoming a drug addict or something. Because you can't be both. Like you know, there's a few things where like you can't be both. You've gotta really give that everything. Also it becomes like a real source of conflict.

If they know that they can fight, like they can avoid fights. People won't want to fight them'cause they'll have a reputation. They can it's very good to know it's also like y you can get out of things just by knowing how to fight. Because you know like what people are doing and what they're not doing. You don't say anything stupid because you're trying to trick a person into thinking that you're a tough guy. It's a quiet confidence that comes with these guys. And also if something does happen

Most people have zero idea of how to fight. Zero. And they think they're just gonna swing and hit you in the face and you see all this shit coming way before it happens, like you see them moving their right foot back like, Oh God. Yeah. Like here we Like it's it's like they're playing a game but they don't even know the rules. Like they don't even know

skill. They don't know anything, but they've seen it on TV and they think they're gonna be able to pull it off, especially if they're drunk. Oh yeah.

There's a whole uh Instagram channel that's uh dedicated to fights on Sixth Street here. Have you seen this? It's amazing, dude. It's incredible. You can just watch it for hours. I've seen a bunch. Fights on the street are so scary because guys fall and they hit their head. That's it's that's how people People people die where they get punched in the jaw and they go out and they just bang their head off the ground.

Or there's a lot of people out there that'll when you're already out, step on your head or kick your head. That's if you I don't understand anyone who has the impulse to do that. Right. That's crazy to me. Like if you've won the fight already, move on. That's that's scary stuff. That's evil. One night drunk, doing something. Yeah. It's crazy. And there's and someone's dead. And someone's dead. And someone's parents.

Missing their father. Like fuck man. Because he looked at my girlfriend. Yeah. That's crazy. I know. People are retarded. Yeah, the best thing about fighting Very few of the of my friends that know how to fight have ever been in street fights. It almost never happens. How many times in your life have you had to use it? practically in a real life. Never really never. Not since I was in like high school. I've been I've never been in a fight

Like an actual fight since high school. I'll avoid'em. Yeah. I'm not like if I if I know I could fuck you up and I could just get away, I'm like, I'll just get away. I don't need to prove Like what's the point? Also, here's the thing, people always say, Oh, if I could fight I'd fuck people up. Great, and then they're gonna come back and kill you. You know, and then they're gonna run you over or shoot you or th don't be stupid. Like it's it's pointless. It's pointless.

You know, I've had situations where I thought I was gonna have to do that. And I didn't. But y you have to have self control. You have to you know you have to be able to n and also like most people like if they want to fight you, all you have to do is kinda like put your hands up and move. They'll be swinging and you're just like, Come on, man. Right. What are we doing here? Yeah. What are we doing? And it's it's the only time people get hurt is when you and

swinging at each other. If someone's swinging at you and they don't know what they're doing, they have almost no chance of hurting me. Like z zero unless I'm asleep, unless I'm really drunk, you have almost zero chance of hitting me. Right. Unless you really know what to do. If you really know how to fight, most of those people who really know how to fight aren't fighting people and street fighting, yeah. I'm not gonna start a fight.

So it's like I mean I know a few of my friends that have had to Gordon had to beat the fuck out of a homeless guy in Austin. What? Yeah. No way. Oh yeah, some homeless guy fucking. He picked the wrong dude. Boy, did he. And G Gordon tried to get out of it. Yeah. Put him to sleep and then call the cops and the cops came and picked the guy up. Humiliate. Oh my kid. But that shows you how fucking stupid people are because Gordon's a gorilla.

He's this big giant two hundred and forty pound jack dude who's uh, you know, I don't know how many times Jiu Jitsu world champion and then some fucking idiot. Right. Probably high out of his mind. Yeah, drugs are bigger. I think he picked a fight with his girlfriend first. I think he'd fuck with his girlfriend and fuck with another guy and just a a problem. Just some guys are just nuts, man. Yeah. And you know, mental health issues. But fights are stupid. They're there's so pointless.

Yeah, organized fights is a different thing. I mean, that's high-level problem solving with dire physical consequences. That's what I call it. But like we'll both agree we're gonna make a certain weight, we're gonna meet uh se September seventh, here it is. That's a different thing. It's a beautiful thing. It's like a chess match and you can't breathe, you know. Yeah. It's crazy.

Yeah. But in chess the m the pieces can only move a certain way. Right. In jujitsu what's nuts is there's like so many different variations. And then you add in striking and racking.

God. It's so co I love it. I I'll never get tired of watching MMA. It's the most important thing. I like other sports. Like I've really grown to love football since I moved to Texas. And I I can watch a a good basketball game, baseball. But to me it's all just downtime unless fights are on. Right. If fights are on I'm not watching anything else. Like I've been at football games, like at the U T games with the UFC on my phone sitting there while I'm watching the UFC. Ha ha ha.

Man, I wish I I have football envy. I w my I went to a Christian school in Ohio and we didn't have a football team and I feel like if you don't like Grow up around it in high school. You just don't understand like the nuance. I understand the rules and I get it, but I just I don't know. I don't love it like people do and I wish I did. I wish it the stakes just I don't understand it. I don't understand

the team sport thing as much as I do. Like I love MMA. I love watching UFC because it's like the stakes are so high. Right. There's something about one on one, who's the better person to Right. It's a different thing. Like I uh have grown to love it living here. My wife is a big And so she got me into it. And then I've gone to a bunch of UT games and they're fuck

And it's like when someone scores a touchdown, everybody wins. Like the whole team cheer like the whole audience, like eighty thousand people. And there's something to that. Right.'Cause like when fighters fight and someone gets knocked out, like people cheer and it's exciting. But like you know, you never know who's like if you're watching Justin Gacy fight Max Holloway, uh I don't know who's for Justin Gain. Max Holloway.

You look out there like everybody's wearing U T colors, right? Or they're wearing, you know, Oklahoma colors. Like it's like you've got your colors. Everybody you got your outfits. Everybody's pumped. They they cheer when this guy scores. They boo when that guy scores. It's like more of a team it everybody wins together. Yeah. Whereas like with MMA, you know, you there's there's it's like you're just watching an individual. You're appreciating an individual who's a rare human being.

Type of human being that become uh becomes a guy who could become an MMA world champion. That is a truly special human. Like the amount of dedication and dri and the amount of focus and discipline and the courage that you have to have to get in your fucking understand stand there with a cup on with little tiny pads on your gloves in front of another savage, like another train killer who's been training for eighteen weeks for this one moment and they bolt the door shut to the cage.

And then the referee goes, Fighter ready, Fighter ready. Let's go. Crazy. And then the whole world is watching, you're surrounded by twenty thousand people and lights and cheering and you you're trying to keep your shit together and you're getting kicked and

How do you sleep the night before that? That would be my thing. I don't think I could I wouldn't be able to sleep. It's hard. I would always get sick. I would get sick before tournaments because I wasn't sleeping. Right. And I was training really hard and I'd I didn't even But for a lot of these guys it is hard. It's really hard to just relax. And then they grow to learn how to And then then it's really scary.

A lot of guys are terrified before they even get like Anderson Silva in his prime, he would win fights at the weigh-ins'cause they would just like look at the And he'd be standing there staring at you and you're like, Oh my god, I have to fight this guy tomorrow. Oh my what have I done? Why am I doing this with my life?

Imagine doing that stare down Mike Tyson back in the day. Oh, that'd be the most terrifying Oh dude, it was. It was. There would be guys that look like they were gonna faint while the referee was giving them instructions. You know, I remember he fought Bruce Selden and Bruce Selden who was a beast man. I can't imagine. Yeah. Yeah. He was the scariest of all time. He was. He was absolutely the scariest of all time. The scariest boxer that I've ever seen.

And there was a a period of time between like nineteen eighty six and like probably like around nineteen ninety where he was It was so you would buy the pay per view knowing that the guy was gonna get knocked out and hoping that you get your money's worth.'Cause you look pay per view is like whatever it was, fifty bucks or something. You know, like if it's like thirty seconds you're like, awww, that's bullshit.

But I mean that's what you were that's what you're signing up for. And those kind of I mean when you got a guy that's got every box checked Discipline, focus, training, genetics, everything all together, mindset. Right. He would beat guys like long before they ever got in there.'Cause they knew that they were they were fighting this demon, this guy that just was so much better than everybody else. And you there's no way you

No. W is it true about his wasn't it like his trainer died and then i kind of he lost the whole Yeah. Well his trainer was Customato. And Customato was a legendary He had trained Floyd Patterson. Jose Torres. He'd he he trained uh like a lot of like a legit world champions and he was also a hypocrite. And uh he adopted. Yeah. Well he was really into the mental side of fighting. He was more almost like

As much of a psychologist as he was a boxing trainer, it was all about tempering their mind and getting them ready. Like he would tell Mike Tyson, You don't exist. We'd say crazy shit to him and he adopted him when he was thirteen. So Mike was thirteen and he came from Bedford style in Brooklyn. It was a horrible neighborhood, so his whole life was like crime and violence and no love. Terrible. And then all of a sudden this man took him under his wing, who was also a legendary.

Legendary. Like he was like he was the guru and Oh, you know, he he basically it was like the perfect storm. And then he was also his manager was this guy, Jim Jacobs. And Jim Jacobs was not just a manager, he was a historian, a box. He had this incredible library of all the great fighters. So he would watch film, you know, like fuck He like have a projection screen and he would watch film of like Jack Johnson

Ketchell and you know, Sandy Sadler and all these great fighters from back in the day, Roberto Duran, he would just sit there and absorb all these amazing fights. And when you can wa like that's one of the great things about today, like especially with M M A. Like if you look at the fights from nineteen ninety three and the fights from twenty twenty six, the skill level is like max.

Greater because all these guys have grown up watching all these fights now. Because from the time that MMA existed, it was on television, you could watch it on YouTube after that, and it was like there was always fighting. So you could see what guys were doing. So you had an understanding of the level. So kids would grow up imitating their favorite fighters. You know, they'd grow up, you know, imitating John Jones and imitating Kane Velazquez and all these guys.

you you you could absorb a lot just by seeing the elite level of these guys. And Mike Tyson was one of the only guys back then that had that ability. Interesting. Because he had this immense library of the greatest fights of all time. And so he would be training with one of the greatest trainers that ever lived, who was probably the greatest psychological

Also the guy was hypnotizing him at thirteen, programming him to be this destruction machine. And then he was watching fights. So he was watching all these guys, Jack Johnson and all these like great old school champions and Jack Dempsey. And he just absorbed it all. Incredible. And he would get in that ring with fucking no socks on and no robe and just like a throwback. He was like one he was like he absorbed the energy of those old great fighters, the sugar ray rock.

the hardcore old school guys who would fight like once a week, once every two weeks. Dude, is that how often they were doing it? Oh, they were fought so many times. I think before Sugar A. Robinson ever lost a fight, he was ninety and oh. Something crazy like that. Wow. Yeah. Just something 90. Fucking crazy. Just crazy. Yeah. That's wild. Those and you to be able to watch that kind of stuff when you're young, you absorb it, you know? Sure. It's like kids that play instruments now.

I mean you'll see an eight-year-old online who's better than any drummer in the seventies. Right. It's crazy. They're just how quick they can how quickly they can get better now. Oh yeah. Because they have access to everyone all the time. It's so cool. I would imagine that's like that with all sports.

But you know, like you can like you could go back and wa if you're a basketball player, you could bo go back and watch Jordan, you can watch Larry Bird, you can watch, you know, LeBron, Kobe, you can watch all these great basketball players and see what they're doing. Whereas

If you were young, you know, in the sixties or seventies, like you only got to see the people you saw. Yeah. You get you were as good as the people you were around, which is why it was so important to be a part of like a great program. in high school and college'cause then you'd be around like and then you'd go to the States and see how these guys are doing. Oh I remember that from resting.

Like the only time when I was wrestling in high school, the only time you get to see like really good guys, you'd go somewhere else. Like I w I was uh I went to school in Newton, Newton South High School and we had good wrestlers in our program and I thought they were good until I would go to the state.

And you go, oh my God, these fucking guys, they're these kids are going to camps every year. They were wrestling 365 days a year. They're like obsessed with it. And then if you go to like Iowa or somewhere like that, like good lord, it's a fucking religion. I mean they've been doing that since they were babies. They've been you know, it's like y you you you you you absorb what you see and you your brain r m rises to the level of the competition.

Aaron Powell The last time I was really into a boxer was Loma. I love watching him. He's got a cool story too. Didn't his dad make him do ballet for a while or Ukrainian dance. For two years. Pulled him out of boxing for two years. That guy moves like it doesn't look real. Right. Like people shouldn't be able to move like that. The matrix they call it. Yeah. Yeah, he would do footwork that no one had even considered.

The the movement, the slipping to the side and the angles and the his ability to change direction. Because he would be here and then he'd be here and then you're swinging and he's here and he's hitting you and b-b-bang. And he also is way smaller than everybody. He was way smaller than everybody. Like he was supposed to be a hundred and twenty six pound fighter and he went all the way up to the hundred and forty pound division. Are there like a lot of younger guys doing that?

It's kind of a one off. Usyk does it, but Usyk was trained by Lomachenko's father. Uh uh. So Usyk is essentially like a heavyweight Lomachenko. That's why he moves so much. That guy's a freak. He's a freak. He's a f uh he's a pleasure to watch. Watching that guy. I mean he's beating guys that are so much

When when he beat Tyson Fury, Tyson Fury was like two hundred and eighty pounds. And he's like a cruiserweight. He was really a two hundred pound guy that blew up to sick to compete against heavyweights. He's much smaller. But he was so And so and so just his under his pattern recognition, his understanding of boxing, is just elite, like so many levels above everybody else. And he's thirty eight. Like at thirty eight you're supposed to be done. No. Thirty eight he's in his fucking prime.

Amazing. Also clean life, clean living, like serious Christian, like very, very religious. You know, doesn't doesn't party, doesn't fuck around, you know, and just trains with like rigid discipline. Yeah. That Soviet style discipline, the Ukrainian discipline. Like those guys like um their program over there, like you can see it like in Dmitry Bival and a lot of the other like Soviet style boxers, they have like a very comprehensive technical program.

There's a style like Bival's the the best example of that style. It's such a fucking difficult style'cause it's so movement based. And a lot of like American fighters were kind of rigid in their footwork and moving forward just trying to land the big shots.

Bival is just moving around you all the time, popping you and like uh Yeah. Sort of like the Dagastani guys in the MMA same thing. Oh yeah. They're in uh Mo There's this kid that uh I I'm obsessed with. Uh Asadullah Imangazaliev. He's a fucking freak. He's twenty-two years old and he's destroying world champions in Muay Thai. Just killing them. He's Daghstani? Yeah. Oh wow. So the Dagestanis are taking over striking two now. Good. Well, this guy's nuts.

He's so fluid too. It's w uh it's nuts to watch him, man. He's like he like he moves like nobody else moves. And he's real tall for the weight class, so you can't even get close to him. He's fucking you up from the outside and just this is the guy. That's this this guy is a fucking freak, man. He's just doing things different than everybody else. Wow. And he's destroying people. Just destroying everyone. Everyone he fights. He's so unusual, man.

And again, he's from a hard part of the world, man. You know, you grow up in some fucking soft neighborhood and your dad takes you to karate classes. No chance. You gotta fight this fucking dude. This guy's fighting for his dinner. He's just murkin people. And it's also he comes from a culture that like reveres combat. You know, they have they're they're they're champions, guys like Islam Makachev, Khabib Nergomedov, like they're legends.

Yeah. You know, and everybody grows up wanting to be one of those guys. Where was Fedeler from? He's from Russia. Is he? Oh yeah, he was the first. I was watching him growing up, man. He was the first. So I used to watch him before auditioning. Really? Yeah, there was just something about his like mindset where it's like his his his he was so even keel. Yeah. Stoic. Yeah. It's like his heart rate.

or something. Even when he won he'd just be like and like sort of walk off. Like that's so badass dude. Yeah his expression never changed. Yeah. He was one of the all time greats, if not He was different than everybody else. And he was a heavyweight that could submit you. He could knock you out. He was fast. He wasn't big.

I mean he was like five eleven. Very unassuming looking. Yeah. You wouldn't know he was the most dangerous guy in the world. Belly fat, little he didn't give a fuck what he looked like. He was all about how we could perform. Right. You know, and he w was a part of like that era where MMA emerged.

And in Japan it was so much bigger than it was in America. During the Pride days when Fedor was running shit. There was ninety thousand people in those arenas. Whoa. Yeah. They were doing like the Tokyo Superdome. They were doing these gigantic arenas and like everyone was a fan And then it all went away because the the Yakuza was involved and there was a big scandal and in

MMA was bigger in Japan than it was anywhere in the world and it just kinda like fizzled out. Did you ever go to any of those in Japan? I went to a UFC once in Japan. We did one UFC in Japan and I went there. It was really cool. It was just I was just really happy. to be in Japan for a fight'cause I you know, I've been so

Japanese martial artists and Jap Japanese martial arts period and look I have a I mean I have Miyamoto Musashi tattooed on my arm. But th being in there in Japan was like it was interesting because they were so educated. Like they were really quiet while the fights were going on, but then when something would happen, even something really technical, like somebody passing the guard, they would go

And they would all clap. Like I was like, whoa, this is interesting. Yeah. Like it was like you could hear each corner yelling instructions. Like you wouldn't you didn't hear the crowd at all. Wow. There's sixteen thousand people in there. That's cool. It was wild. Yeah. It was a completely different kind of audience. Like very respectful, very appreciative, and very knowledgeable.

It was it was cool. Do you think if you didn't do what you did, would you rather watch like UFC in person or would you watch it at home? Uh in person's the You wanna be there. You wanna feel the cr but I would wanna be there where I sit. Like I'm super spoiled. Yeah, you got the best seat. Yeah, my I'm like the I could reach up and grab a cage. It's right there. Like I'm so spoiled. But um

You know, if you're in the bleeders, if you're in like the nosebleeds, you're probably better off watching it at home, honestly, because then you get the commentary, you get to see replays, you get to see, you know, like close up. If you got a big TV at home, you get to see everything

I just sat close for the first time. I went to the Patty Gagey fight. Oh did ya? It was amazing. That was a good one. It was amazing dude. But yeah, it's definitely different hearing the sound. Oh yeah. It's like a whole when you hear like bone on bone. Well my favorite was during the pandemic we had fights at the UFC Apex with no crime. It was insane. It was so'cause we're world championship fights with no crowd.

There was maybe like fifty hundred people in the room. Wow. It was like mostly just staff of the UFC, the trainers of the fighters, and some some of the other fighters in the audience and some friends in the audience. And that's it. And it's the US C Apex has a smaller ring too, with a smaller cage. So it's like It's a lot smaller. Really? Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah, it's smaller. How how would that affect a fight?

Practically. You know, so a guy who likes to like move around a lot and get away from people. Like I saw Francis Engano versus Steve. When Francis won the title. In the apex with no crowd. That's crazy. And when Francis hits things it's like It's like hearing a baseball bat hitting a pumpkin. It's just whom you're and you're right there. You hear them breathing, you hear the gr when they get hit, you know. Right. You hear the coaches yelling out, Hands up, hands up, move, move, move.

You know, hit'em with the one, one, two. They're yelling out instructions and it's like there's no one else there. And it's silent. Wow. It's amazing. So that's the way. Oh, that's my Cool. But there's something about an amazing crowd, you know, like when you're watching a a big world title fight in a in like in Vegas or in the Massive Square Guards is an incredible place'cause the history of the place. You feel it when you're in But

My favorite is the Apex. How are you feeling about this White House card? That's insane. Makes me a little nervous. So I don't know if it's the best idea. Open some yeah. Some room for some tomfoolery. It seems like it. Yeah. Um The card is not what they wanted it to be, for sure. They wanted it to be like all world titles.

But you know, matchmakers have a very difficult task. It's very hard to find people that aren't injured, that are like like that are ready at this particular time because The brutal aspect of this sport is that guys are always hurt. They're always training hurt. They're always getting hurt. They fight hurt. They're al there's always no one very rarely is anyone going into the octagon a hundred percent.

Sure. There's always something going on. Guys are they they're dealing with staph infections in camp and they're taking antibiotics and it fucks with your endurance and maybe they've got a muscle pull or a knee f that's fucked up. When Francis Ngano fought um Cyril Ghan, he blew his ACL out, so he had to wrap his leg up and he had one leg. And he beat him with one leg.

Crazy. Guys have fought with broken hands, you know. Um Alex Pereira, he's beaten guys with a broken foot. He fights with a broken foot. Standing there. Nose's foot's broken, doesn't give a fuck. He fought with a bad knee, his knee needed surgery. Like he like there's a fight that he fought Yuri Prahaska where he's on top of Yuri, th they stop the fight and he does a forward roll to get off of him after he knocked him out because he couldn't stand on his left leg.

I didn't know that. Did was that like a known thing while the fight was happening? No. Oh. No. He had surgery after that. I remember that fight. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah, he had surgery after the fight. Pereira is really big in our house because Brazil, right. Oh yeah? Yeah, yeah. Those Brazilians, man, they love each other. It's crazy. My wife, she doesn't she doesn't even care about MMA that much, but if there's a Brazilian fighting, she's all about it. Oh yeah. Yeah. Very

Yeah. And it's also like Brazil's where it all started. They were having MMA fights in Brazil in the nineteen thirties. Really? Oh yeah. Ilio Gracie, who's really the the founder of all He he's the father of like the Gracie clan, the Gracie family is like the greatest story in the history. W that one family has changed martial arts forever. And it really changed it because of Carlos Gracie and Ilio Gracie and Carl These three Gracies who competed in these no rules fighting

They don't have they didn't have time limits back then, no gloves, no nothing. And they were fighting in j giant crowds in Brazil in the nineteen thirties, nineteen forties, and they were figuring things out that nobody had figured out. They figured out they took techniques from judo. Like judo was mostly about throws, but there was some submission.

And so they concentrated only on the submissions. And they hon and they b created Brazilian jujitsu. Like jujitsu, which was a Japanese martial art. Right. But Brazilian jiu-jitsu is far more technical than Japanese jujitsu.

And even Japanese guys now train Brazilian jiu jitsu. I was gonna say is there any uh are there purists that only do the Japanese style still or not really? You can't really compete. Oh okay I mean you could because everybody kinda knows everything now because Brazilian Jiu Jitsu has made its way into every other

Brazilian jiu-jitsu has made its way into Russian Sambo and it l which is another combat sport which is also elite. But Brazilian jiu-jitsu changed the game and the Gracie family changed everything forever. And you know, and the the guy who fought in the UFC, Hoyce, he wasn't even the best guy in the family. He he told everybody, My brother Hickson kills me. Hickson was the man. Like Hickson was above and beyond everyone back then. He wo

He was a guy who did yoga. He was meditating. He did this crazy thing with his stomach where he would do this breathing where his stomach would suck in. He was like a real freak. And he was uh undefeated. Like nobody could touch him. So we'd teach a seminar and uh teach it to all these black belts and then he would roll with all of'em nonstop and just tap out everybody.

Everybody. World champions, they'd all be like, ah, this is a bunch of hype. And they go in there, eh? They all get arm barred. They all get leg locked. Like it was crazy. He was so much better than everybody else. And so they wanted Hoist to win because Hickson also was like pretty jacked like really fit and he was really into fit he was really into strength and conditioning and and and I like I said yoga. He was incredibly flexible.

Like he could stand there and do the splits and like hold his leg up there on a balance bar. Is he the one that wrote that book? Yeah. Yeah, I read that. Yeah. It's awesome. Yeah. And he had that documentary. There's a great documentary called Choke. phenomenal documentary about his rise through uh Japan Valley Tudo. And then he was the guy he was the guy they based the first Pride event uh on. Oh, okay. He was the champion

He was the guy that the the whole thing was based on'cause he was huge in Japan. I mean he was a super But he was the champion of the family. And they wanted Hoist to do it because Hoyce was like smaller and he would show that jujitsu was about technique. That makes sense. And they the the plan was if Hoyce ever got beat

throw in Hickson. Uh okay. And everybody's fucked. But Hickson like his brother Horian started the UFC and Horian and Hickson had friction and Horian really couldn't control Hickson. And so they were like let's put Hoyce in and if we need to call on Hickson we'll call the boogeyman.

Remember the guy, I think it was UFC one who had the one glove, the one boxing glove. Yeah, Art Jimmerson. Yeah. What was that about? Well he I think he decided he wanted to be able to hold on to people and he wanted to punch'em with his right hand. Weird tactic. Well no one knew what the fuck they were doing back then. Everybody had this idea of what fighting was.

And they didn't really know until they got taken down. Oh there he is. Oh, it was his left hand. So that's interesting. So I guess he wanted to pop him with a jab with his hoist just fucking put it to that guy. But Hoyce was doing something that nobody had seen before. And that one event when he was doing that to people, uh it changed everything. It changed my opinion of martial arts. I immediately started taking jujitsu.

Like, oh my god. You were Taekwondo? I started in Taekwondo and then I uh did kickboxing for a while, and then when as soon as I saw the UFC, I immediately started. Yeah. I was like, Oh god, I don't And then when I started taking it, I was so cocky, I was like, I know how to fight and then I took classes, it was just getting manhandled and mauled and tapped left and right. I was like, Oh my god

Yeah. This is so humiliating. And I was like, I gotta get good at this. This is cr I couldn't believe how hell. I was running around thinking thinking I was a badass and I was just a fool. Yeah, I'll humble you real quick. Oh, so I've gone through that. I was I I did it for, you know, maybe a couple months and I just I never made it past the hump. I should probably try again but

Get a trainer. Get a guy who can do drills with you. That's really huge. If you can get someone to do drills And like just go over like uh like on a one-on-one basis the the the the finer aspects of it and just do drills and drills, drills over and over again and then slowly start working your way into group cloud. Yeah.

I think the thing is with you know, if you if you go to a boxing class, Muay Thai class, you get to get some frustration out. Right.'Cause you're hitting something and it kinda feels good on your drive home, you feel like beat the shit out of that bag, you know. Yeah. But then you do you roll with somebody who's really good and you go home and you're more frustrated. But the first time you tap someone, it's like

It's such a revelation. You're like, oh my God, I got an arm bar. Oh my God, I got a triangle. Like the first time you actually catch someone something and they tap, I'll never forget that. I was like, wow. And then you have to just trust the process. Trust the process of showing up and and realizing it is a tall

You're not gonna get there quick. It is a l it's a weird thing to do with your body. Your body doesn't know what to do with it. That's why drilling is so important. When you're drilling, you're going over the motions without resisting. body sort of gets programmed how to sh switch your hip.

Secure with your legs and all the different things that you have to do where if you're doing just live sparring all the time, you you're not gonna learn'cause you're all panicking and tight. You gotta be able to like train your body to move a certain way. So it becomes And is there a way to do it where you can stay like relatively injury free while you're learning? Or is it like that's just part of the everybody just sort of assumes you're gonna You're gonna fuck your knee up or fuck Right.

'Cause some people just yank on things and th those are dangerous. The really dangerous people are like blue belts who are really strong who would just like really spazz out on you. Like sure kind of avoid those folks because they could blow your knee. Yeah. You know, I've seen that a lot. Like I know people that are really good that won't roll with people that are special.

I definitely ran into a couple of the guys that are like they just wanted to choke out Casey Dutton. Of course. Yeah. But you know, that's just Part of the fun. Like Ordain. Like use a 58-year-old white belt. Nuts. Wow. If that guy did it, fucking kind of anybody can do it. What belt did he get to? It might have got to purple.

Uh uh he definitely got to blue. I don't know if he got to purple, but he won tournaments. Wow. He competed in tournaments, you know? You know, I remember when he first started doing it, he's like, I'd really like to compete in some age appropriate tournaments. I was trying to talk him out of it. I was like, Don't We get hurt man.

Yeah. But he was obsessed. If he could do it, like that just goes to show you a guy with no athletic experience, not a worker, d didn't train, didn't didn't do any working out, wasn't a runner, didn't lift weights, nothing. And then at fifty eight All right, I'm gonna get good at this. That's amazing. Yeah. Good for him.

Well, he was uh a guy that had had substance abuse problems in his past. And the thing about being an addict is if you can focus whatever that thing is and get addicted to something really good, you you can you can really excel. Sure. For whatever weird reason. Also there's a flip side. So people that are addicted to a sport or a thing and they get really good at a thing and then they become drug addicts.

That same thing can kinda hijack your brain and then all you're doing is like chasing meth all day. Right. I've seen that happen too. For sure. Yeah.

Yeah. It's a fun thing to do. It's good for your head too because it's the hardest thing you'll ever do. It's so hard'cause you're essentially what you're the game you're playing is I kill you or you kill me. Right? So when a guy gets your back and gets your rear naked choke and you tap You're essentially saying, You just killed me. I thank you for not killing me. I give up. And then when you do it to him, he's saying that to you. Yeah. So it's so hard.

that the rest of your life is easy. Right. Everything else becomes easy. Well all the stress of fame and success and Hollywood and the bullshit. It's nothing compared to some dude mounting you trying to get in you're you got you're trapped in an arm triangle, you're like trying to get your hand down to protect yourself It's way harder. And that that makes the rest of your life easier. If you can choose what's hard in your life, you'll be way better.

Find a thing that's way more difficult on your mind, way more difficult on your body, way more difficult on your spirit than this other thing. So it'll like make that other thing like easier to tolerate. Yeah. And stay humble too. Yeah. Oh yeah. Super humble. Not gonna think you're cool for being able to say some lies.

Some people get well that's the other thing, right? You get really intoxicated with everybody kissing your ass. Oh yeah. Easy, easy trap too. like inflated. Oh for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I I'm a little blessed in the way that I've never thought I was very great at anything. Um I enjoy doing the things but I've ne you know, like never really I'm never good enough for myself, kinda hard on myself a little bit, but I've seen it for sure. If if if you're waiting for someone else to validate you

Once they do, you're screwed. Right.'Cause you're gonna believe it. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. Well there's the problem of being a star is that like all these people need you and the world their world of the show revolves around you. Yeah. So they're all like, you know, kinda kissing your ass and reverent towards Yeah. Yeah, that and that's new for me too. You know, I'd I'd never been in anything that was like a massive hit before Yellowstone and now with this new show.

Now it's a hit and I'm the number one on the call sheet, which is very new. And so I'm like a you know, I'm an asset to them in a different way. Um so it'll be interesting navigating that. They'll probably try to talk you out of doing it. Yeah. I probably have to sign something that I won't. You know, I'm not allowed to like ski. There's a lot of things because of the insurance. Like if I get hurt and production has to shut down. It's a lot of money for them.

Yeah. Don't ask. It's funny'cause horseback riding usually is and Have to do that for a shot. That's the most dangerous. Yeah. Horseback riding scares the shit out of me. Dude, I it's me too. It was not it didn't come natural. That's not like a thing that I'm naturally good at or had done before. My oldest daughter did it for a little bit in California and she fell a couple of times and one time she hurt her wrist really bad and

Don't do this.'Cause she was doing those things where you'd like jump over stuff. Like you Oh, that's so dangerous.'Cause they stop just shy of that thing and you go flying. Right. Yeah. Her friend she had a good friend that was really into it and they started doing it together. Please don't and she fell a couple times that she was okay, but one time she really hurt. Because your wrist they can fix.

Oh I think about Christopher Reeves every time I get it. I wish I didn't. That was what he did, right? He was doing the jumping thing, right? Was it? I believe so. Yeah. I just don't I don't yeah. I don't get it. Do you ride motorcycles? No. No, I don't even

Almost is. We're taking lessons. Uh me and a couple of the other guys that worked on the crew at Fear Factor, uh we all took motorcycle lessons together. We were all talking about it. And so we took motorcycle safety courses, you know, you basically ride like it's kinda like. And I kinda got into it. I was like, ooh, this is really fun. And then three of my friends had motor.

Like within a short time period. Um, one of'em wiped out, fucked up his shoulder. The other one got hit by a car, broke his leg, and then the other one was actually someone saw It wasn't an actual motorcycle accident. He was there when some guy got rear ended by a car that wasn't paying attention, just plucked. Like no. I had a bike for a couple of months in LA and uh

I went on a ride and you know, it's like one of those things, you you have to have the bug. You like either have it or you don't. I was trying to get the bug. I because I wanted that to be a part of You know what I mean? I wanted to be a guy who rode motorcycles. So I rode up the Pacific Coast Highway and I was kind of riding up through like Oi. And going around this corner, you know, this sort of like cliff side and it's that thing where if you stare at something, that's where you're gonna go.

And I just kinda was like zoned out and I almost ate shit right into the side of this cliff. And I was alone. Like if I would have done it, it would have been forever until anyone figured out like what had happened to me. You know, and I kinda it was a really, really close call and I s got off the bike and I kinda sat there for a minute and I was like, Yeah, I don't love it enough to die this way. You know what I mean? I don't need this in my life and I never

I have friends that have never had a problem. I have friends that ride bikes and have never had a problem. I think if I lived in Montana 'Cause there's just not that much traffic. No, but my seventy year old neighbor just hit a deer. Oh. Seventy years old on his like you know, it's one of the BMW like adventure bikes. Mm. And he was going seventy on the highway and hit a deer. Yeah. He's he and he's fine, dude. This guy's a tank. Uh but how old was he? Seventy.

Whoa. Killed the deer. He had road rash everywhere and he was kinda like, you know, on the couch for a few minutes. He's fine. Dude, he is eight. This guy they make him different out there, dude. He's my next door neighbor. He's amazing. Shout out Steve. Wow. He uh he's got a range in his backyard to five hundred yards. Oh wow. And has every firearm

And things you didn't even know they made. And so anytime I can just, you know, ride over there and the side by side we grab a few and go down and shoot in the back. Oh, that's nice. That's cool. Yeah. Yeah. You find people like that in Montana. Oh yeah. Yeah. He's the real deal. Wow, but seventy years old hitting a deer is crazy on a bike. Yeah, killed the deer and he uh about a month later he was all right, he was back on the bike.

I've seen some videos of guys hitting deer. Like you see like from their camera and you see this thing leap in front of the road, then you just see Yeah, deers are they they're everywhere out here, man. When I'm driving home I drive slow. There's like a certain road near my house. All the suicidal deer just pop out, especially like around the rut where the the the bucks are chasing the gestures and they're not chasing straight. They just they're just out there like

Fucking pussy hungry, standing in the road, staring at you. I love explaining to people how the rut works. 'Cause it works just like humans. I'm like the only time they're dumb enough that you're gonna get one is when they're Right. You know. But for them it's once a year, which is way crazier than us. Can you imagine? If it all came off at once. Bro.

had a rut, I would go on vacation during that time. I'm like, I'm hiding. I'm not wanna be anywhere near it'd probably like murders, car accidents. Lock me in jail for that month or whatever. Exactly. Like get a bunker. Get a bunker locked down with Netflix for a month. Fuck that. There is no way, man.

That would be crazy. Imagine if the whole world had their rut at the same time. Oh my God. That's a good movie idea. It is a good movie idea, right? That's actually a great movie idea. Just call it the rut. Yeah, like human beings evolve.

Or maybe there's like genetic engineering'cause they decide that the po there's overpopulation and the solution to it is only have people breed at a certain time. And also like keep people from being distracted all the time'cause Like how many people are on dating apps and how many people are like, you know

going to bars and trying to find someone. It's like it's a huge waste of your time. Oh my God. My twenties and thirties were just blown. Yeah. Because of it. It's all I thought about. Massive. Massive waste of your time. If there was like a solution to that, the solution would be like well everyone's only gonna breed only during November. Maybe it's the best thing ever.

It'd be great if there was like a switch you could flip. You know, like a little boy, you'd like flip it and then go out and figure it out. The rest of the year, like you don't even care about girls. Bucks just walk by a female doe in like, you know, fucking June. They don't give a shit about it. And they don't have their antlers, so they look the same. Right. Right, right, right. Well they get it back pretty quick.

Those fucking things grow quick. It's like they fall off within a a month or two, they start growing nubs. Isn't it the fastest growing bone material on the on the planet? Well c because that's nuts. I mean like you look at like a foreign and it four hundred inch elk, like some of those antlers that are out there, imagine that that grows in a couple of months. And it's bone. It's crazy. And they fight to the death.

Crazy. Like we find uh elk that have been killed by other elk. Happens all the time. Have you hunted in Montana? Yeah. Not uh not elk. I've hunted mule deer in Montana and uh Um never done elk until I moved up there. I started hunting white tail when I was like ten, like really young. Because we have big white tail in Ohio.

And I thought hunting elk would be similar. No. And boy was I mistaken. Bro, it is b when you d were you bow hunting or rifle hunting? I've done both, but my first was a bow hunt. And we went out there, we were camping out there, me and uh I I just made friends with this the contractor that built my house in Montana and he took me we went public land around Dillon, Montana.

And we went for a week and I had to tap out day four. Like I couldn't my my legs stopped working. I didn't I was like I didn't know I had it was like this. So the next year I went I was like prepared for it, but I didn't know. Oh you gotta get in shape. Yeah. I do a lot of shit before I do. I d I have this crazy routine that I do on uh airdyne bike. I do these tobottas on an airdyne bike where you sprint for twenty seconds.

Sprint for twenty seconds. The worst. And all I'm doing is thinking about getting over a hill. Getting over a hill to get a shot. I mean, and then I do like box step-ups. I do all these different things with weighted vests. farmers carries with fucking heavy kettlebells. All I'm doing is just trying to condition my legs. Yeah. You have to like those mountains.

Brutal. There's no mountains here for me to practice on. Right. But in California I used to run hills with my dog. Yeah, and you're at elevation, which makes it even harder. Oh yeah. And a weird thing people wouldn't expect like just you know, makes it even worse. You get up in the morning it's zero degrees. Middle of the day it's fifty sixty. And you're hiking all day. So it's like how do you dress for that?

To be cold. Yeah. Like once you start walking, you have to be cold. Yeah. Like you gotta get down to your base layer and walk cold. And then if you ever have to stop, then you put it on and the other key, merino wool. Mm-hmm. That's Because wool is different than cotton. If your cotton gets wet and then you you're sweaty and then you get cold, you're fucked. Right. But wool's not like

Merino wool is the best. Yeah. Because like if you have a especially a base layer, because when you're sweating, it kind of keeps you a little cool. And then um if you get cold, it doesn't it it doesn't feel cold. Yeah. Because it's it's not synthetic.

It's it's organic. Makes sense. Yeah. It's a weird fiber. Yeah, we used to walk to the deer stand kind of in half of our stuff, keep the other half in a pack and then like once I got in the tree stand I'd put everything else on so that you wouldn't you know the sweat wouldn't freeze to you. That's hard.

Deer deer hunting in a tree stand is fucking hard. It's like a silent retreat and you're freezing. Yeah. At the same time. You're freezing and you're sitting up there waiting for a deer to walk by and then you're so cold that when the deer walks by you go to pull your bow back, you're like, Oh geez.

Yeah. Like why am I so weak? Yeah. Like you could barely pull your bow back when you're up in the tree. Yeah, but not I mean no no challenge whatsoever compared to El Cani. That was my blew my mind how hard that was. And the guy I went with, you know, he grew up in Montana, he's like a mountain.

I just like couldn't keep up with this guy, man. I'm like, this isn't how do you do this? Just constant all day long. You can't just get out of your off your couch and go elk hunting in the mountains. You can't do it. No, you gotta get in shape. Yeah, like my friend Cam Haynes, that's why he started running. Yeah, he's doing like two hundred and fifty miles stuff, right? Yeah, he does like these three day runs.

He tried to get you into that? Have you done any of that? No chance. I have one knee that sucks. I have one knee that I uh fucked up in martial arts. It's missing meniscus and I cracked it uh skiing too. I w wiped out skiing, got a fracture of the top. Yeah. So it's like it it's if I started running it would get beat up real bad. Right. But I do there's plenty of conditioning you could do without running, you know, but it's that the pounding of running is not good.

There's something so amazing though about getting to that first thing in the morning when the sun's coming up and you're glassing. Mm-hmm. And you're just like, This is what I always wanted hunting to be like. Yeah. It's the real thing. It's like this is what it's supposed to feel like. You're so far out. You know. I didn't get to go the last couple years. My wife was having

our baby two years ago, so I wasn't allowed to be in the woods with no service. And then last year I was shooting the show, but this year I'm gonna be able to go. I got a good spot. And even if I'm shooting the show, it's like it's right there. Well, they have phones now that have satellite service. Um, I think you get is that does T Mobile have that now? Where you can get Starlink? on your on your phone. I know they're doing that soon. And you know, you can't text message with iPhone.

You can like I've done that in the middle of the woods. And you know what the best thing is, man? When we were in Utah last year, the last two years, I've had a Starlink Mini. It is the shit. It's like the size of an You just lay it down on the ground, you use the app and the Starlink app will tell you which way to point it to and you get high speed internet. I have one for when we shoot. It's incredible. It's so awesome. It's the best. It's so good. You get you can

Here it is. T satellite. Yeah. That's the shit, man. Yeah. So you can can you make phone calls or is it just internet? It's phone calls too, right? Texting and select satellite ready apps. Okay, just texting? Uh satellite servers including text to nine one one, maybe delayed, limited or unavailable. So you can just text and some satellite ready apps right now. So that's like everywhere. That's cool. Yeah. So eventually they'll have it'll be like Starlink. Yeah. If we don't have war war through.

But there's the the elk clunting thing that the the thing that makes it all the more exciting is like they're moving around, you gotta sneak up in on them, you're playing the wind, and then the sound they make when they're screaming. And you hear it, you're like if you never knew what that was, you would think there's demons in the woods. Yeah, demons are like T Rex.

It's crazy. The sound is so incredible. It's so incredible. And it's so hard to do. It's like that to me is uh one of the things that I love like every year because Everything goes away. It's so difficult. It's so difficult to get in shape for it. So difficult to m manage your way into the mountains and

And to be in shape, to be able to do it day after day. And then to be able to pull off a shot. You know, like you know like you have this brief moment, the thing's sixty five yards away and you draw back and you're trying to settle your pin and you could have done all of that just to like

Mess it up. Yeah. One little tiny yeah. It happens all the time. Uhhuh. But when you're successful, oh my gosh, the greatest feeling of all time. And then when you're eating it and then you're you're you know, you're at home and you're on the barbecue grilling these elk steaks like I can't wait. Yeah. It's so exciting. Yeah. And it's just but it's the being out.

It's like a vitamin that you didn't know you needed. It's like your whole body's like, Oh, this is so much better. You can't be mentally unwell. No. It's like impossible. Right. Yeah. Yeah. It's amazing. You just feel so much better, the air is better. You know, it's like and you're more focused. You're not And you just you feel alive. Yeah. And then it's also the majesty of nature. Trees, uh mountains.

You catching all these animals that are out there and you know you see eagles flying overhead. You're like God. You know like day three, you're like, I think I'm just gonna move. I'm just gonna do this. And then you go back to real life and you're like, Oh yeah. I think that all the time. I think that all the time that I like to live in the mountains. My wife is not down with it, but I'd love it. Yeah. I might get a place somewhere one.

Shut off for a while. I think that's probably a good idea. I love it. I th I wonder though, now that I have a kid, like we're gonna have to start thinking about, you know, school for him and stuff and I don't there's really not I don't know if I don't you know, w once we get there we'll figure that out, but we're gonna probably have to get somewhere closer to some people. Doesn't Bozeman have good schools?

Where where are you near what are you near? Uh what's the town you're near? I'm about an hour south of Missoula. So I fly to Missoula to go home. Missoula has good schools, right? Yeah. But I'd have to move closer to Missoula and at that point I'm like, why don't I

You know, move to a city, I guess. You know. I know. I think the move might be getting somewhere, you know, a little more populated and then keeping like a cabin in Montana like you were talking about, you know, and then taking him out there.

That'd probably be the thing. Do you have a place in your house where you record? Do you have like a r little recording studio or anything? Yeah, like a just for me to record demos to send to people to actually record, just to be like this is something I've been working on or, you know, um kind of a setup like one of these

A computer. Um but yeah, I do a lot of writing up there. It's a great place to write songs. How do you write? Do you write on paper or do you just start strumming and singing? Different every time. Sometimes I'll have like a it'll it'll be a melody, uh it'll be a guitar riff.

It could be like a lyrical idea, some sort of hook, you know. It comes in a lot of different ways. And then sometimes I'll Finish something on my own or sometimes I'll do a Nashville trip and sit with some other writers that I like and you know we'll kinda like banging out together and that's the coolest part of the process.

There's something about making something out of absolutely nothing. It's like addicting, you know. Yeah. Yeah, jokes are similar in the a way, I bet. I've never really been a songwriter, but I'm guessing. So it's like creating something. Like out of your mind. Yeah. All of a sudden it's a thing and then you're performing

And it's like I've heard you talk about this and and any good creative person talk about this, but like it comes to you. You can't really take credit for a good idea. Yeah. Exactly. I'll just be driving and be like, whoa, that's where'd that come from? I was talking to Michael Pollan about that yesterday. We were talking about consciousness and we were talking about how it just seems

You're not doing it. It's just coming out of the ether. You know, it's just like and you just have to show up and receive it. Mm. And if you show up enough And you you know, pay homage to the muse. I got a box of copies. I'll give you a copy of it.

He always gives well I bought a box of copies. I bought a bunch of them and I used to hand them out to comedians and artists when I was on the show. I was like just listen to me. You gotta read that. It's a really small book, it's easy, but it's one of the best books ever. And it essentially just he tells you if you treat it like there is a muse, like there is a god, a goddess that will give you ideas as long as you pay.

to show up on time every day, sit there and do it and some days you get nothing. But you just gotta keep showing up, keep showing up and trust in that process and eventually Yeah. That makes sense. Where did it come from? Yeah, when I'm when I'm when I'm in a really good spot, sort of mentally, emotionally, spiritually, taking care of myself, sleeping.

I get more of those. Yeah. And I know there's this like mysticism around like people who like you know, An Ernest Thompson or someone like that who just kinda spent a lot of time being fucked up and they still get it. Release themselves from their life and then just obliterate. Yeah.

Interesting. Yeah. Hemingway or there's a lot of guys like you know had to be sort of a little messed up. Stephen King to do the thing. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. His book on writing is fantastic too. It's it's called On Writing. Stephen King. I read that one. Yeah. It's great, right? Really good. He was obliterated. Like most of his great work.

Most of the great stuff out of his fucking mind on drugs and alcohol and some of those guys like once they stop doing it, they lose the thing. And I don't have to name names, but like They got clean. Yep. And you're like, where'd the thing go? Yeah. Which is unfortunate, you know. Yeah. It happens with comics too. Does it? Some of'em though they get better. Like Dave Vattel got way better.

Um, it's interesting. It doesn't always it doesn't have to be that. But for a lot of'em, like that crutch, the whatever it is that connects them to the creativity, once they eliminate that part and try to keep try to stay alive. Stephen King was like killing. But his later work is just not comparable. What's your process like writing jokes? Like how does that start for you? Like how do you it uh it it is a

It's there's some ideas that just come to me out of the middle of nowhere. Like I'll be just hanging out and and then I have an idea or I'm driving in my car and I have an idea and I just have a little bit of a little bit of a little And then a lot of it is just sitting down with a computer. Just sitting down and like, what am I writing about? I'm writing about immigration. Okay. Let

And it I write in essay form, so I don't try to write like a stand up comedy joke, which I've tried before, but that's never works. But what does work is if I lose myself in just ruminating on a And just explore it from every different angle. And then I'll find one paragraph. I might write 2,000 words and I'll find one.

Mm-hmm. And I'll take that out and I'll put it in there and I'll try to introduce it on stage and then I try to figure out how to segue into it and then I try to figure out how to expand on it. And then I'll take that one thing and then I'll stare at that one paragraph and I'll go, What else? Like what else? What's the other

Like what what if I was not like that? What if what how do I feel about if I was on the other side of that? What if I'm the person And what if I'm this and that and then I'll try to Try that. You're trying to build a mountain, one layer of paint. Mm-hmm. long and brut And then sometimes it's not. Some jokes just come to you in full form. Oh wow. Like the way I wrote it is the way I say it and it's perfect. And the but that's you can't count on that either. Right.

It's gonna get. I don't think they're mine. You know, they're just coming from somewhere. Yeah. The key is just showing up. That's the key. The key is like sitting in front of that fucking computer. Or some guys don't like a computer. They want a notepad. They want pen and paper. They like they like it better that way and I get it. But for me, I can type. Like I don't have to look at the biggest.

So for me I can write a word out as fast as I'm thinking it, which is way better for me than writing down because I write slower than I type. So I I wanna be able to get it all out. I wanna to me it's like it doesn't b and then I write it on paper eventually, but when I first write it, I wanna write it down on a computer because I can capture it quicker. Yeah. And you can cut Move things to another five.

This last album I did we tried a a really different process than I'd done before. Usually you go into a studio, you know, there's a lot of money behind it. You got a big producer who has you know, you're taking up their time. You have everything ready to go.

But um on this new one we did everyth there's only two songs I'd had already written and eight out of the ten songs we wrote either the day of or the night before in the studio because it was I wanted to make something as personal as possible because, you know, the subject matter is stuff where I'm like

then I'm I'm sort of trying to like capitalise on grief or things I'm talking about. So I wanna go in and just be as open as possible and just get what we get and just try to, you know, tell the truth, which is, you know, that's the goal of country really, or it used to be. And so yeah, we would um we would cut and then a in the night after we'd cut we'd sit and try to write the song for the next day. And if we didn't get it, we'd showed up early the next day and try to write the song for the

And it was an amazing process. We called it the pressure cooker'cause it was just like, You better get something'cause you're on the clock. And man, it was it was um I I don't I doubt I'll ever do that again. But what a like cathartic, amazing process. Like there'cause usually you you'll write a song, you'll have a demo for it, some something where you just sit down and play guitar under your phone or something, just so you'll remember the melody, remember the chords.

And you listen to it so much that you get sick of it before you ever even cut it. And with this there was never a demo. There was never it was straight from, you know, heart brain. Tape like it was it was pretty special. I think there's something to be said for pressure like that where it forces you

It forces you to come up with something. Yeah, the pressure cooker, man. We just we had to, you know. Yeah. Yeah, it just like forces your synapses to fire. Yeah. There's something to be said for that. Like there's a that's a thing about comedy too, when you when you have a new bit. Like part of the thing is like take that bit when it's not really done yet and just Mm-hmm.

find where it is. And sometimes in front of a crowd, as you're saying it, you'll have a new idea. Like, what the fuck is this? Like why are we doing and then that'll be the biggest part of the joke. Like everybody'll laugh harder at that part than anything else and it's just

comes to you'cause you're under pressure. Yeah. Yeah. There's something about there's something about forcing your brain to do things. Like forcing your like you just like you like you have to do it. Like you can't just dilly dally, no procrastination.

It's right there, right now. Let's go. Yeah. I mean'cause you're you're directly connected to whatever the thing is. Yeah. It's uh it's like a flow state. And then there's stuff that just comes to be like John Mellencamp told me he wrote Hurt So Good in the shower. Really? It was just in the shower. Come on, babe, you make it hurt so good. And he's like, it was done. Best shower ever. Crazy. Sometimes love don't be

He was cool. He was an interesting guy to talk to, man. Fucking dude just chain smokes. He's in his seventies, just chain smoking. He was so happy he could smoke in here. And I was like, You're not gonna quit that ever? He's like, this is what he said. He goes, Find something you love and let it kill ya. Yeah.

I don't know if it'll that one kill me. That's a rough that's a rough death, dude. It's a rough death, man. Yeah. I'm uh I've I've dealt with smoking for some time and uh I always promised my wife that I would quit when we had our kids. And uh we're almost there. We're getting close. You got the nicotine pouches. I got the zinc. Do those help? They do help. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's it's a different when I have a drink though. It's Oh yeah. I'm to quit smoking I'm gonna have to quit.

Really? Have to. Wow. I c I just can't imagine one without the other. It's like a package deal for me. But I'm okay to quit drinking at some point. You've quit, right? Yeah. I'd quit and then start again. Oh really? Yeah. Yeah. I'm back. Nice. I'd quit for like eight months. I didn't miss it. But then when I had a couple of glasses of wine with dinner, I was like, ooh.

This is nice. Yeah. I kinda missed it. How was that first sort of hangover? Have you I didn't get hungover. I haven't gotten drunk. I I haven't gotten hungover since. Nice. Uh and I've only been drinking again. And even when I do, it's rare. Like I don't drink every night I go on stage. I I might have like a drink before I go on stage or I'll have a drink with dinner or maybe a second glass of wine.

I haven't been drunk. That's perfect. Yeah. The getting drunk is the problem. Yeah. And th th the real problem with me was like I was I own this comedy club and I was with my friends. And they're all animals. And they're all just like, Let's do shots and we'd go downstairs to Mitzi's bar and we'd be doing shots together and we'd have so much fucking fun.

And then I'd wake up in the morning to work out like, Oh fuck. Yeah. And I was just hurting. So I'd be guzzling water and electrolytes and I'd get in the cold plunge and it's just m it was just this struggle to try to get back to normal. Yeah. And I'm like, I hate that. I don't like that. Yeah. But I don't feel that with a glass of wine. I have a glass of wine or two and I feel great. As long as I drink enough water, take electrolytes, get a good night's sleep, I feel totally normal.

That's good. Getting drunk is the problem. It is fun though. It's the best. Getting drunk is so much fun. Getting drunk with buddies. Oh, the best. One of my favorite things is like going to a bar in the middle of the day. And meeting everyone at the bar and just drinking, you know, even if they're strangers or at the airport bar or whatever. And just like

Getting to know people I would never have talked to to begin with, because why would we talk? Right. I love that. But again, I'm forty two now and the hangovers are starting to to really smart, you know. So it's not it's not real. Worth the price of admission anymore? It's it's not worth it when you get aware of your body. Especially if you're a person like you know, I work out all

And I'm fifty eight now. So as you get older it's like most people at fifty eight are half dead. They're kind of falling apart. And I've managed to stay healthy and fit and I don't wanna fuck that up. But, you know, like I said, it's it's hard when you're with buddies and they want to do shots. Like Shane Gillis is the worst. He's the devil. He's the devil. He's the devil. He's like, come on.

We're doing shots. Fuck. How do you want to have fun? How can you not get drunk with that guy? He seems like the most fun ever. And you're having so much fun. When you when you're drinking with him, it is just like Your face is red, you can't breathe. Uh you everyone's laughing. You're fucking crying. You're crying laughing.

And it's just like you call each other the next day, like, how you feel? Oh my god, I'm dead. Like there's a lot of times where we went out drinking and w we have a gym here and you know, we'd have these comedian workouts the next day and he'd be like, dude I'm like, come on, pussy, you made me drink last night. But he's just he's the life of the fucking party, man. And it's just It's fun, but it's it just it comes at a cost. Yeah. That c that cost is rough.

Especially with the kid now and him being the age he is. It's just I nothing makes you feel like a bigger piece of shit than being hung over in front of your Right. And you're just like, sorry, dude. Right. And you're dad. I'm sorry. Right. Your kids want to play, and you're like, I'm gonna just sit here. Yeah. Yeah. You can mitigate a lot of that stuff though. Glutathione is a really good way to mitigate.

Um glutathione actually helps your body process alcohol way quicker. So um there's a lot of strategies if you're a Yeah, liposomal glutathione in high doses is really good. Uh electrolytes are huge. Like a lit a lot of the h hangover feeling. There's two things that are going on. One is You're bu that's why they say like um hair of the dog that bit you. Because you're actually r craving more alcohol. That's why people like Bloody Marys the day after they're they're hungover. That's not

Like yeah, your brain is m dried out, it's a dried out sponge'cause you're out getting hammered the night before. Yeah. So you gotta drink a lot of water. Drink a lot of a buddy of mine drank with uh Jean Claude Van Damme once. And he said it was nuts. He goes, he's so disciplined. He said the dude had a gallon of water Like a jug of water. Every shot he would take, he would fucking chug water. And he just was just super concerned with keeping his body hydrated.

While he was boozing. Gotta do what you gotta do, man. I was like, credit to him. Yeah. This is the way to go. He goes, I never saw anybody do that before. I'm like, well, look at the guy. Yeah. Kind of makes sense. Yeah. You know? It's like have you interviewed him in here? No. Oh no. That'd be a good one. That'd be fun. He's kinda crazy. He uh he keeps talking about having a fight and coming back and bro, you're like seventy. Yeah. Don't do that. I think he's just a little nut.

He's also he's famously indulged in the Colombian marching powder. Uhhuh. And I think you Guys get ideas that aren't really tenable. Thank God I never had the the taste for that. I never even tried it. Have you never? Nope. Definitely done it, but it's just yeah.

I have friends that they can't have a drink without one to go get a bag and I'm like Whoa. And that those guys have to get st sober, like stone cold AA sober. Like'cause they'll disappear. Well they'll also die today'cause you can get a bad bag and it's got a fence I don't get it. Five minutes of feeling good for like three days of feeling terrible is not doesn't pencil out for me, man. I got lucky that when I was uh a kid in high school I had a a friend and his cousin got a

He was selling it too and I watched him completely fall apart. It was like it was like he had been haunted, like something had taken over his body like a parasite. He lost all his weight, he got super pale, he got real sketchy and weird and would just hang out in his apartment.

They would just w watch TV and do Coke all day. It was nuts. It was horrible. It's dark. And I I was always terrified of doing anything that would turn me into a loser. That was my number one fear when I was a kid. I don't want to be a loser. Yeah. And so like I'm like, okay, stay away from it. Oh yeah. Yeah, there's sort of like there's some sort of gift in like having some ambition.

Yeah. Like wanting to be somebody. Yeah. You know, that they can come with uh there's pros and cons to that. But one of the the big pros is like any time anything would get a little too dark and I realize I was losing my grasp on like what I was after. You know, professionally or whatever, I would uh I would course correct pretty quick. Yeah, and if you don't have a thing, then it's just about whatever is fun. And what's fun is continuing to chase whatever high or whatever

drunk or whatever whatever it is that your your demons are. Yeah. That's rough. I've seen a lot of people lose their life that way. I mean, do they lose their direction, they lose everything you Substances can be fun, but they can take over. Yeah. And they could become your whole fucking life. Yeah. Yeah. Not good. No. Yeah. I'm I'm so happy I avoided Coke. I avoid but I am interested.

When I heard Hunter Thompson I not Hunter Thompson, Hunter Biden excuse me, talk about smoke and crack. He did this interview, we were talking about how amazing smoke and crack, and I was like, Wow. Maybe I could try it once. I don't think I've never heard anybody like try it once though. No, that's famous last words, man. Right. No one's done it once. I mean everybody who tries it gets hooked.

It seems like that's a problem. Must be pretty awesome. It's gotta be it's gotta be the best thing ever. And he said like it's way better than cocaine. Like he used to like the guy who's interviewing him, what's that guy's name again? And Andrew Cal Callahan? He w when he was interviewing him, he was like, What is the difference? And he explained like the delivery.

It's so much different. Like the difference between like a Zen pouch and a cigarette. Cigarette hits you way different than a Zen cigarettes like instantly like oh That was Richard Pryor too. They didn't call it crack back then, they called it freebasing. Right. Same thing. Heroin too is another one. It's like those are the two big ones they tell you when you're like you do this once, you're done. Your whole life's over. Yeah. Yeah. I've I've I've known people that have tried hair.

It was too awesome. Yeah. Yeah. I do that with like painkillers and stuff. I had a knee operation. Well I have multiple knee operations. But one the first one I had was in the And uh they give me a morphine drip and they give you a button and you can press the button to get more morphine when you needed it. Oh my god, I hammered that button. I was ly lying in this bed and my knee had just been cut open like a fish.

Screws in there and my ACL have been reconstructed. And I was on this perpetual motion machine. So the idea is to keep your knee from going stiff. You're on this thing that straightens your leg out and brings it back and straight. So I'm lying in this bed. My leg is very And I'm hammering that button. I was so happy. I was like, I get it now. I get it. But that was only once, luckily. And they didn't give me they gave me some painkillers afterwards. Um I think they gave

But they were so b I I took whatever the dose was and it was I only did it once. It was so bad. I felt so dumb and so dull and so stupid. I'd like I'd rather be in pain. So I I sold all my pills to this dude at the pool hall. Gave'em my pills and my tears. One of my buddies was telling me he's uh in the military and they would carry these morphine lollipops in case they ever got shot.

And you just pull it out and the moment you start sucking on it, you're just like a morphine high. And I was like, I kinda wanna get those to fly with. Wouldn't that be awesome? Like if the plane's going down, you just start sucking on that thing, you'd be fine. Do do do do do do do do do do amazing dude. Anytime I fly over the ocean I'm just like I freak out. I don't like the I don't like the ocean.

So maybe that's what it was. Gotta be stronger. Either way though, wouldn't that be I mean that's like biggest fear number one is playing gun. 'Cause you have like five minutes to think about it and you're hearing like everyone's screaming, everyone knows they're gonna die too, and you're stuck in this tube with a bunch of strangers knowing they're gonna die.

I mean that is hell on earth to me. I can't imagine anything worse. That's a rough one. I think getting eaten by a bear might I wonder though if with the bear thing, if you're in so much shock, like are you feeling it? I you know I wonder if you are think so. Especially if they start legs first.'Cause the thing about bears is they don't kill you, they just start eating you. Oh my god. Like a salmon. They don't kill a salmon, they just hold it.

Of it. Yikes. Apparently, that movie Grizzly Man, the audio was so bad that Werner Herzog told the lady to delete it and burn it. 'Cause uh they had a cot th the late uh the guy's uh Timothy Treadwell, his girlfriend, his ex girlfriend got hold of the f the camera. So the camera apparently the lens cover was on, but the the camera was running. Oh right. Yeah I've seen that. He listens to it in the documentary. He's like Bundy.

Don't let anyone listen. Would you listen? Given the chance. Yeah. I think I'd do it. I probably do it. Everybody would listen. And then I'd hate myself for having me. There's a fake version of it online. I've heard that. Yeah, it's not real though. It's pretty obvious that it's fake, but people believe it's real. But uh it goes on for five minutes.

Five minutes is a long time. Like think of a a round, an MMA round. It's five minutes. And all that time you're just getting chunks pulled out of your body. Bro. Have you ever seen a grizzly while you're hunting?

Really? Yeah, in Alberta. Yeah. It was uh very scary. And it wasn't a big one. It was like a six foot bear. But it looked at me so different than any other animal. Like I've seen a lot of black bear and black bear look at you like Who are you? What are you doing? What are you they look at you sideways and they like I want to get out of here.

Oh. Like locks on you. Yeah. Like am I gonna eat you? And uh I was with my friend Jen, she's a guide up there. Jen and John, they run a um a hundred Alberta. They uh uh uh w as soon as like she saw it, she screamed She screamed like get the fuck out of here. Shh racks her shotgun, cracks a stick against the the uh the tree to scare it off, and then we immediately bailed. They're like, let's get the fuck out of here. Yeah, I've never seen one. Don't want to. They see big ones.

And uh John. Her husband, he sprayed um what he was in a tree stand and he sprayed it with uh pepper spray and the thing didn't even react. He was like like you think you're gonna oh bear spray, I'm saved. And it was like fuck you. Yeah. It was just like this fucking nine foot bear, this huge wild dog, you know, this he was fucking immense. Super powerful thing that can run forty-five miles an hour. Amen. Du plattade alltså håret utan värmeskydd. What's wrong with your woman?

Oh, did you find yourself? På räddande hårdd hos Luko, Your Beauty Playground. Apex. Fuck that. They're they're terrifying. Montana's got a ton of'em. Yeah. That's one thing I didn't have in Ohio, is like the fear of getting eaten by something when you're out in the woods and it's dark and you're walking through. The first time that that bow hunt I was telling you about, I you know, you bring a sidearm and you all all you have is a bow in case you do see.

Grizzly bear. And my buddy was like, What do you got on you? And I was like, It's uh nine millimeter. He goes, Well, if you see one, shoot yourself. Yeah, you gotta bring a four. Well I guess there's a there's a ten millimeter with a special round you can take, but yeah, nine millimeter bounce off. Yeah, I mean you're gonna hurt'em. I mean you've hit him in the face maybe it'll be.

Well you're not even gonna get through that skull probably. No, they say it won't. It'll literally bounce off its skull. That's crazy. That's so crazy. And Cam hunts them with a bow. Hunts grizzly bears? Yeah. Yeah, he's killed a few grizzlies with a bow. Yeah. D does he hunt out of a tree? How do you do that? On the ground. No, dude. Why? Oof. Yeah. I'm good on that. Yeah, he's out of his fucking mind. And his attitude is, Well, if this is how I go, this is how I go, I go doing what I love.

He's got some crazy pictures. See if you find some pictures of Cam with a grizzly bear. He's got one where he killed this massive one and he's holding up its paw and its paw is like as big as my torso. It's fun It's fucking huge. There's such a some guy uh recently, I think he Um I sent it to Cam. Damned. Yeah. Look at that paw. Look at the claws. Look at the claws on that thing. No way. Yeah. And there's a photo of him with the bear on the ground.

Do you know what state he's hunting? That was in Alaska. That's the only state you can hunt. It's illegal in the lower forty eight for whatever reason. Um it they sh it probably shouldn't be in like Wyoming and Montana. It's gotten to the place. They really probably Maybe there's just not enough of them, other than in Alaska, I would imagine. Um

I mean, I don't think so. I think the real problem is once they're not listed it's very difficult to get them on on a list. You know, uh to get tags allocated for them. There's a the video of him shooting it. It can and just Well there's a guy right behind him with a gun. There's a guy right behind him with a rifle, which is also

Like any time you're bow hunting and a guy has to have a rifle, I think you should probably just use a rifle. Right. Just wait a few months. Yeah. If I ever wanted to go grizzly hunting, I would definitely You know, and they have you have to kill a certain number of'em just to keep the populations of the moose and the elk and everything else in check because otherwise there's nothing gonna stop them and then you have a situation

Like you have in Montana or like you have in Wyoming where there's a lot of interactions with people. People wind up dying. And there's no fear because in Alaska they're a little sketched out about Because people hunt them. Right. And that's the better relationship. Right. The relationship where they have zero fear of people, that's not good. And that that is Montana and that is Wyoming.

Oh, look at that guy. So this is is this the largest one? 1600 pounds. It's the second biggest ever taken by a hunter. It's sixteen hundred pounds. Look at the fucking sizes. Dude, that's terrifying. Yeah. Good lord. That is immense.

seen these reports of Bigfoot being seen in Ohio recently? Yeah. A bunch. I kind of think it's someone fucking with people, obviously. But maybe not I don't know. What the what are they seeing? What do you are there bears? There's bears in Ohio, I guess. There are. And b they're black bears in Ohio and they do walk upright sometimes. It's probably a dude in a suit, man. It's probably meth.

Yeah, but they're just guessing. You don't know how big a thing is. You have a fucking tape measure, you're excuse me, Mr. Bigfoot, stand still for a moment here. Okay, stand up straight. Put this under your heel. I used to I used to wish so bad Bigfoot was real. Oh, I wish so bad. I had a dude at a show last night who told me his dad was one of the people that filmed The famous Patterson Gimlin footage. I feel like we know now that it's not a little bit more than that.

Can't be real because of how many trail cameras there are in the world. Like we would have seen'em a few times with this. I I've never met a hunter that's seen one. No. Including guys that are in the Pacific Northwest all the time. Although I did uh I did a show back in the day with my friend Duncan where we went um looking for Bigfoot. We went to the places where Bigfoot's normally s it's a person in an eye. A person in a Sasquatch costume obviously.

I mean no pictures, please. I mean if there's a a whole bunch of'em, it's probably someone fucking around. Look it's all different sightings. S March sixth, seventh, and ninth and tenth. Wow. All different people? Boy, I hope it's real.

It would be awesome. That's what I'd also be like, maybe it's just a group of friends that are high and like, you know what we're gonna do every night for the next fucking week. We're all gonna call this fucking number and see what happens. Or we're gonna run around the woods, but that's a good way to get shot.

Like some crazy dude's like, I'm gonna prove Bigfoot's real Oh for sure. Yeah, and he just fucking blasts you. Don't do it during hunting season. Yeah. Big mistake. I think it used to be a real thing. That's what I think. Bigfoot? Yeah. You thought it you think it was actually here at some point. Yeah. Yeah.'Cause there's too many Native American words. The Native Americans I think we looked this up, didn't they? They have dozens of names.

that different tribes have for the same thing. A big hairy wild man that lives in the woods. Hm. I think it was a gigantopithe. I think at one point in time it was a a real creature. Yeah, the gigantoopithecus bones, but they've only found them in Asia. They've never found them in North America. But it when the Bering Land Bridge was a

A lot of animals came across from uh Asia and made their way into North America through Alaska and down through the Pacific Northwest. It's and a lot of people have seen'em in Alaska. Alaska's like a hotbed for psychological. I think but th I think those people are cracked out. I think that's probably bears. Right. But I think the Native American stories, I think it's a thousands and thousands of years old thing. I think way back

Like I was watching this um this is a guy named Michael Button. He's been on the podcast before and he Um a historian who who's a really s uh focuses on uh ancient civilization. And he was doing this whole uh video on YouTube about how little is left over. Like how rare it is to make a fossil. Like think about how the dinosaurs were around for literally like hundreds of millions of.

And yet we only have like thousands of fossils. And what are the what's the possibility of a fossil existing from a civilization, like fossilized human being from a civilization? It's almost none. Most things never become a fossil. It has to be like the perfect condition. Uh and so we don't really know what animals did or didn't live here other than fossilized.

And that's a tiny fraction of what we find. Okay. And so if there was some sort of big hairy thing that lived here'cause we know there was humans that were living in North America Now we know that they they were here at least as far back as twenty Because of uh White Sands, New Mexico, they found footprints. And then they do carbon testing on the seeds and the di different organic matter that's in those footprints, and they get a carbon.

Which is pretty crazy because they used to think it was like thirteen thousand years ago and now they push that back at least And they think it's probably these weren't the first. They're even further than that. So if humans were here, let's say they were here fifty thousand years ago, that puts it in the timeline where Gigantopithecus could have been alive.

Because I think the fossils that they found of Gigantopithecus are a hundred thousand years old, which is just fossils, right? Like you never know. And that they didn't find that until the nineteen twenties or thirties. They found teeth in an apothecary shop in China and this guy was there who was an uh anthropologist was like, What where'd you get this?'Cause they were a primate. Fucking huge. And so then they took him to the place and they found jaw bones and a few other pieces.

And this thing they've determined because of the shape of the jawbone that it was bipedal so it st stood up on two legs and it was like eight to ten feet tall. It was a giant s giant primate that was in the orangutan. So that could be Bigfoot. That could be what these people saw. Yeah, absolutely. So it probably existed in North America at one point in time. But around the time of the younger dryest impact theory, which is a eleven thousand eight hundred years ago.

Somewhere around sixty-five percent of all North American megafauna was eliminated. All the woolly mammoths Giant sloths, Africa uh American lion. We had an a lion that was bigger than That was in North America. That that younger dryest thing you're talking about. That's a comet hitting there? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And that's what ended the ice age and that's what created the Great Lakes and that's what melted all the ice that was

that covered most of North America back then during the Ice Age. Trevor Burrus And are a lot of scientists agreeing that that's probably what happened? Well i there's uh definitely debate but uh there's a a large group of legitimate scientists that are a hundred percent convinced that we were hit It's a matter of what impact did that have and was that responsible'cause there's a berserker theory. The berserker theory is that humans just killed off everything.

We got so good at hunting, but the problem with that theory is back then, like there's not even evidence that they had bow and arrow yet. Like they wouldn't be that good at it. No. No. No. Especially like that the n American lion. Mammoths and the giant sloths and there's so much shit that we don't even know how many people were So it's and d it's this is like ice age people.

Like w with stone tip spears. Did they kill these things? All of them? They killed all of them? Right. They weren't even riding horses. They were just on foot? Like, I don't know. Yeah. It's much more likely that they all were wiped out by this fuck. And if that's the case, maybe it wiped out Bigfoot too. Well that's my favorite one. Bigfoot's the best one.

It would be a crazy thing to see, you know. Have you ever heard the um the recordings that these guys made that they said were Sasquatch recordings? I think they call'em samurai recordings'cause it literally sounds like almost like they're speaking Japanese.

It sounds so fake. It sounds so fake. But the these people are uh there's groups of people out there that you'll tell them this is fake and they wanna fight you. Really? Oh they're they're all in. They're so committed to Bigfoot. The guys that we met when Duncan and I went uh Bigfoot hunting, they're so possessive.

buy it. Where'd you go? Where where was the Pacific Northwest? Like uh it was like um right outside of Seattle up there. I met this lady that was really convincing. She said that she saw this thing. A gorilla in the woods. And she's like, Oh my god, it's Bigfoot. And like she didn't seem kooky at all. But I think what she saw was a bear and a bear standing like black bear.

Especially if they have a hurt paw, they'll they'll walk on two legs. Huh. I think she probably saw but Pacific Northwest is so crazy because I'm sure you've been up there, right? Yeah. The woods are so dense. that it's like a box of Q tips. That's how I describe it. Like you can't hardly see anything. So if you're seeing some tall thing move between trees just for a few steps, that might be the only thing you see. Right. And your head just starts spinning and you start creating this

Yeah. This imaginary narrative. Here's the here's the recordings. Yeah. Right there, right? Right? I don't know where we'd look for tracks on it for sure. So this guy's talking, oh my god, it's Brayfoot. It sounds so fake. I don't buy that for a second. Not a second. But man, people the the Bigfoot dorks. Like that show Finding Bigfoot. I had that dude. What's his name? Bobo?

Is that the dude's name? We had him on and uh I told him I thought the Patterson footage was bullshit. He's like, No. He's like so upset. It looks so fake. It looks like a guy in a fucking gorilla suit. And then th the dude um that they think that was wearing the suit, what is his name again? I forget the guy's name. the dude who they think was wearing the suit, he looked like Bigfoot. Like he walked like a

There's like a few years. Yeah, he walked like that footage, right? Yeah, yeah. Like he was a big old cowboy. Big old fucking tall ass cowboy. And he he had a walk like a fucking gorilla. Roger Patterson. Roger Patterson. Well Roger Patterson was the guy that filmed it, right? Right. Maybe I'm mistaken. But there's a side by side of the actual stupid video that they're pro proclaiming to be Bigfoot and then this guy walking. And y I think it was a different guy.

I forget his name. But it looks I'm like that's him. No. Sort of. I've had some people that like want That's the crazy.

I don't want to have that conversation with people and and people, Yeah, because you lose 'Cause the earth is flow everything else is round. Why would this place be flat? Why would it be flat? Why would the other one be lying? That's crazy.

Why would why would the people that get up in the fucking the space station be lying? We know it's circles. We've seen it spins around. We have pictures of it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We have satellites. They think all the satellite images of Earth are fake. They think everything is fake. Sure. And then a lot of it is like somehow or another it's biblical.

Oh like the firmament and all the stuff that the Bible says is above us and Yeah, but you know what the Bible doesn't say? It doesn't say the earth is flat. Right. Never. Mm-hmm. Never talks about it being flat. Like snipers have to calculate the curvature of the earth when they're making shots. Yeah, there's too many things against it. Like the fact that we've seen it is the biggest one. We know exactly what it looks like. I had Roger Avery on the other day, the director is really interesting.

And he he went down a bunch of uh maybe too many flat earth rabbit holes and he was like, Well you know, pilots don't have to adjust for the curve of the earth. And then I talked to a friend of mine who's a pilot, he goes, You know why? Autopilot. He goes the f it fucking it keeps you at an altitude. That makes sense.

Yeah, fucking dirt. It's just that being something that people would what's really interesting is there's this one guy who takes people up to Antarctica to prove to them that the earth is round and like like this idea that there's a So he like takes b and there was one guy and he flew him out there

It's amazing. He spends money edu taking these guys up there for free, educating flatters. How does he prove it from up there? Flies them up there and shows them you actually can fly over Antarctica like there's

You just don't they don't want you flying over there because if you crash, no one's gonna come get you. Right. You know, you're dead. Right. It's like but people do fly over it. The idea that you can't is stupid. There's no secret World War Two base there. There's no wall there. They're probably doing some weird experiments and shit up there though. I do think that's true. Like there's there's some people that have some pretty convincing stories.

direct energy weapons and things that they're developing up there. And there's a neutrino detector that they have up there that a lot of people think does a lot more than that. They think it might actually be able to cause earthquakes and affect the weather. It's a it's a weird rabbit hole to go down. Sure. But I'm sure the government's doing slippery shit that we don't know about up there. Yeah. Man, it's so weird like in this time that we have all the information.

Or like nobody trusts the government anymore. Has has it always been like that? Like It has been a little bit that nobody trusts the government, but now there's reason to not trust them because we've seen what they've done with real events like like the Epstein Five. And a lot a lot of other stuff where you're like J F K where you're like why don't you just buy What you know. In the interest of national security, some things must be redacted. Right.

Growing up you see like older guys are always they didn't trust the government, the world's going to shit, all this stuff. And I'm like, Am I just getting old? Or is this happening to everyone? Are we all doing this now? I think as you get older you also take in enough information that you know that they're not being straight with you about anything. Right. I mean this is that was always been my argument about the moon landing. Like you think that they're gonna not

lie about this one thing when they've lied about everything else, including how we got into Vietnam, Kennedy's assassination, fill in the blanks. Everything in the nineteen sixties they lied about. Sure. But they're'cause they could. There was no Exactly. You know. They controlled all the information. Yeah.

But that's what's interesting about today. Like that's why there's less trust in the government than ever, because we have more access to information. So there's more reason to not be able to do that. Yeah. You know, it's like it's a squirrelly time. Right. Yeah. That's why I like living in Montana. When it all goes down, I'll be way far away. You ever see anything in the sky? Do you say like what the fuck is that? Um nothing crazy. No. Um

When we did decide to move there, my wife and I had taken a little bit of mushrooms and the sky put on a little performance for us. Oh, that's a little bit more than that. Like I think we're supposed to move here. Oh really? Yeah. Oh wow. Yeah, it was uh you know, uh this is a little induced. But uh yeah, it was it and we both saw it and we were with people who didn't see it that were also on mushrooms, so

It's what it felt like. Yeah. And we both were like, are you we were making sure it was the same thing and our friends were like, What are you talking about? Did they take the same dose? Yeah. Yeah, so I think uh that was supposed to go there. That's right. Maybe it's a fate thing. Yeah. We we felt very spiritually connected to it after that. Well it's a good place to be spiritually connected to. It feels like you're supposed to be spiritually connected.

'Cause it's so it's one of the last places like Wyoming's like that as well. It's one of the last places where it's not tainted. Even though there's cities there, it's settled, it's like it's so much more wild than it is tame that you still get this feeling of like humble. Yeah. You get you get humbled by just the vast Yeah.

We feel like nature is the novelty these days. And it's like no man, th the everything that we messed up and put a bunch of concrete on should be the novelty. The nature is the actual thing. That's the Supposed to be. Yeah. You know, and we've all kind of like flipped that in our head. And obviously, I'm not you know I have the luxury to be able to live out in a place like that, but the more I live there, the more I feel like.

This is how I was meant to live, you know, me personally. I can't talk for anyone else. But I I I'm just in a way better place mentally and and otherwise. Yeah, there's this guy who lives in uh the Arctic, like uh like above the Arctic Circle. Or near the Arctic Circle and uh he uh they filmed him this uh vice documentary called Hein Moe's Great Adventure. And this guy's been living there since like the nineteen seventies. He moved up there and he's got a log cabin and he he just lives up there.

hunts caribou and goes fishing and he's a really smart guy and s th this like nerdy reporter with glasses goes up and hangs out with this guy for a few days and, you know, the guy was really like Really? I think this is how people are supposed to live. Like I'm so much more calm and at peace. It seems natural and normal. Like this is how you're supposed to live. And all he does is just like hunt and fish. He gets like some supplies dropped off to him, like you know, canned goods and shit.

It takes a week before I feel insane. Like completely crazy. And if I just put that stuff away and go outside. Even in a city, like if I just put that stuff down for a little bit and go outside and connect with the person, I feel

you know, infinitely better. Yeah. And if you just look at, you know, the stuff on your phone and you're you're so sucked into that, you would believe this is this w the world is a shitty place. But then if you don't look at that and you go outside and you live your real life It doesn't take long before everything feels good again. Yeah. Like you have hope again. You you know, y you're you're

You meeting your neighbors or going to the grocery store or going to the post office, like everything feels pretty good out there. It's just your phone telling you that this place is terrible. Yeah, that's the this is the big bridge to crazy. Much more than cities.

Yeah. And like that's what AI is learning from. Mm-hmm. It's only learning from all this terrible information we're putting online. So it can't learn from the real world. It can't go to the grocery store and see that everyone's actually pretty good for the most part. Right. Ninety nine percent of what you do out in your real life is fine. Right. You know?

But it's only gonna see the worst of all of us and then and then show us that even more, show that back to us'cause that's all it knows. Right. That's really scary. It is scary. And it's never gonna really appreciate a great song. It's never gonna really appreciate art. It's not gonna appreciate love or

community or friendship or any of those things. No. It's not gonna appreciate the feeling that you have you could just call your neighbor up and go over his house and s shoot five hundred yards in in his backyard. Exactly it's not gonna get that. Right. It's not gonna get how cool that is that that guy is Seventy years old, he hits a deer, he's like Frases it off. Fucking seventy. Seventy years old hitting a deer, you're supposed to be dead as fuck. No man, not not him.

He's made looks like John Wayne. Yeah. I and you we can appreciate that. Yeah. He that fucking AI doesn't give a shit about that. They gotta get off the motorcycle. You shouldn't be on the motorcycle, Dave. Yeah. And dude, dude, you're talking about music. It can make good songs though. I've heard you play someone here and I

My friends will just you know, whatever apps they have, I don't really know all the new apps, but they'll just give out a prompt and the song is incredible. And it does it in ten seconds. It's It's really weird, man. But it's only doing it derivatively. Like it's only taking s the songs that other people have written and just making sort of uh Some sort of a conglomerate.

Or it's redoing like an old hip hop song in like a blues style or you know something like that. Unfortunately that's ninety nine percent of what humans do too. Right. You know it is all derivative anyway. I know, but at least it's a personal

Yeah. Like some something to me about even if it's derivative, it's if it's good, if it's catchy, at least I know a dude and his friends did Yeah. You know? Yeah. And you can get behind a a person as an artist and like their stuff until they aren't You know. Yeah, yeah, that's the silliness. That is so silly, isn't it?

Like if you really start to take off, someone's gonna eventually go, Fuck that guy. I knew that guy when he was just fucking just starting out. He was pretty good. His songs were good and then he and then he made it. It's gonna be controversial, but the first Coldplay album is still amazing.

You know, but they got so huge that everyone hates cold play now and you're like, But they're they are really good. I like cold play. I do too. But I like music nerds are like they can't do cold play'cause they're they're doing stadiums and and your mom likes them. I think that was one of the things that people didn't like about Nickelback because it Nickelback was almost like the first You know what I mean?

Like that rock star song, that was like that was like an AI version of like a lot of like like Cypress Hill had a rock star song that was like but it's Cypress Hill's sounds so much more genera like genuine. Whereas the nickelback one is like almost like these guys It was it's the beginning of sort of like auto tune and all that stuff. But auto like really good auto tune that you couldn't tell. Not like the auto tune that's in rap where you know they're auto tuning on purpose. It was like

Everything's so perfect. Mm-hmm. And it almost doesn't sound like humans playing music. Right. And the subject matter is like I've heard all this stuff. Yep. That's the problem. Right down the middle. Yep. Yeah. It was AI. Nickelback was the first AI music. Yeah. I don't know. People are weird with their taste. And they want you to like what they like. That's Yeah. Or they get mad at you. Yeah, for sure.

Well listen man, I really enjoyed talking to you. It's a lot of fun. Thanks for having me. I love your fucking show. I can't wait to watch Marshall's'cause I love you on um Yellowstone. It's a fucking great show. I'm really bummed out that your wife's dead now though. That sucks. Yeah, it was it was rough. I didn't I didn't I love Kelsey and we love working together, but you know, uh uh ultimately you don't wanna just sit and watch a guy be happy.

That wouldn't be a very good show. You know, you need you need he needed a motor. I know. But he he he he had his dream life and they were happy together. So now you can't watch that for fifty hours or however long this ends up going. Well, he knows how to mix it up, I'll tell you that. A dude knows Taylor knows how to fucking throw a monkey wrench into things and make it crazy. Absolutely. Make it interesting.