#2455 - Donnell Rawlings

Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! The Joe Rogan experience. It's unfortunate. That's just form. You know, like I've I know it's weird. If I eat a burger, It's different if I eat a steak. Steak is a problem? Yeah, I don't know if my digestive system just like you too old have fucking uh bust this down. I'm fifty eight. I e I'm fifty eight too. I eat mostly meat. I don't think it's eight.

What is it then? Well, what are you eating it with? Uh Tito's rolling? Tito's Tito's vodka. Well, it can't be that, right? No. I eat a steak and I thought and I wash it down with Tito's and tonic because it's it resembles H two O so much sometimes I get thrown off until I do it. What? Yeah, I think I'm better. Tito's and tonic resembles water?

The look of it. The look of it. It's clear. That's all matters to you? Yeah. I know at some point I need to change I need to change my life. I'm at the age now that it's like I look at certain food and I'm like, oh my God, it looks good, but you know you can't handle that. I think this is when I really, really need to be in love.

Because I need to be with somebody that understands when I go places and when I wanna pick out, they gotta be like he can't eat that. He's never been seen. He's a handler. He's gonna be thrown up. But I think it's a female handler. A a female handler. Day w they call it geriatric uh like they this is what I hear. This is what the streets are saying. Most men get to a age it's a geriatric shit when you just smash all the women you wanna do and everything.

Now you're gonna have to worry about somebody helping you with your pill diet, helping you with your dietary needs and everything. And they say that's a lot of times when men fall in love, when they need somebody. Take them to the golden ears. Oh, when it's when you're about to be out of here, you need somebody to say, Don't do that. You gotta mash this food up, you gotta chop it up. But I'm having digestive issues sometimes.

With steak, huh? It's red meat, I wanna say, and I've I'm a fan of it. So you eat if you eat like uh bowl of pasta with the Tito's, no problem? That's not a problem. But it's definitely red meat. Red meat I'm not saying go to one of those doctors that checks people for allergies. Foodle doctor? Yeah.

I don't want one of them to selling it down I had to date a Asian I mean I had to d date a uh a Haitian chick. They interviewed a really, really big Oh yeah. Oh yeah. They stabbed you with pillows and shit. You wouldn't like you have pain in your neck. Is there any particular reason, Joe, and I haven't been here in a while? Is there any particular reason why I am doing your show during Black History Month? No, you asked to come on.

You reached out to me. I reached out to you I didn't you could have reached out to me in July, I would have said yes. I could have you got an open invitation, you know that. Have an open invitation. But this is when I don't know, you I say can I come through you said this is what you told me. You say I have a guest. And then you call back. I don't know if Jamie said, You know what month this is. Right. I don't know if he enjoyed and you caught me right back.

Was it a Caucasian person? I don't know. I don't remember. You know it was a white man or a black man. No, you know what? Did I get did I bump a white person for it? It might have been Michael Jarr White,'cause he's here tomorrow. Yeah.

So it's probably Michael. I just probably moved him a day. But I appreciate dude being accommodating because I felt like it was time for me to come back. I haven't been here a while. You can come on any time. I really appreciate that. Come on. I know that's true. You know I love you. I want some of that gum too, man. The neuro gum? Do we have any Jamie?

Yeah, that stuff's the shoes. I know. Wait whenever you say something is the shit is the shit. Yeah. Well what can I do about my I can't do anything about my diet. Sorry. Whoops. I hit the mic. Um yeah you can. You just uh

You know, you should go to a doctor and find out if there's like there might be something particularly about you that red meat doesn't agree with you. But it might just be what you're eating with the red meat more than the red meat itself. You know? That's what I would imagine. I would imagine it's not actually red meat. I would imagine it's what you're eating with it. Might be. And I'm gonna check into it. 'Cause as they say in the streets.

I'm of that big age when you have to be considerate of a whole bunch of things. So each I have to do I have to do that. Do you exercise at all? A little bit. Usually during sexual intercourse is when I get my most of my cardio. Get your push ups in. Yeah. And it's not as strong. Damn, man. You ever get I don't know if this applied to everybody. You get to a age where you start looking at your history and you like, damn, 2000 was my best years. Like right now, I'll just give up.

I don't put no pressure in it. I give up. I start asking like what's your shoe sizes or whatever. I'd rather go shopping than to really try to pound somebody out for three hours. I'm at that age now where I have I call it um Certain times like you gonna get it work good. I probably shouldn't give you that gum. It's gonna that gum's gonna be a real problem on the microphone. Is it is it Okay People people gonna get annoyed with you?

I don't know what to do. Just chew it a little and spit it out. Okay. You'll get the effects of it pretty quickly anyway. I'm at the age where my best work is like holidays. Yeah. Holidays. Like I'm I'm a m animal. Why don't you hire a trainer? You got some money.

And what are the training gonna do to get you in shape. I think I need a therapist before I get a trainer. I mean, you gotta take one step at a time. I gotta get my mind right before I get my body right. Wouldn't you agree? No. The getting your body right will help get your mind. I think you that's some truth to that. I think it I think that you may be right about that. Oh, a hundred percent. Getting your body right.

Without a doubt. But I'll s I will say I'm at my best. I'm at my peak when it's a holiday to celebrate. It's more incentive. Like if you want me to really smash good time, you consider Valentine's Day, Christmas, uh Quanza you can get seven good days, but to expect me to be at my best on just a regular Tuesday or a Wednesday is not gonna happen. I need to do that.

Why would you say that? I know why you would say that. I'm not a seen ya. I've been with ya. Okay. I've drank with ya. Okay, then that's a good point. All right. There's cigarettes. You was there. You brought a pack with you. Right. There's that. Those those are not good. Um there's uh But used to smoke. I saw one of your podcasts. I forget how you explained what made you not want to smoke anymore. What was that?

Cigarettes are a cognitive enhancer. They are. It's a fact. Nicotine is a cognitive enhancer. There's no doubt about it. It's a fact. And it does things to to your mind. It stimulates your mind in a way that very few other things. That's why a lot of intellectuals, a lot of professors use nicotine.

a lot of people that rely on their brain use a lot of writers use nicotine. And there's different delivery methods that have different effects. Unfortunately smoking has a very potent instantaneous effect.

Uh and that's why people like it. But it comes with a cost. You know the the physical health, you know, repercussions of cigarettes are well known. Yeah. Not good. And also you're There's a we had a doctor on the other day that thinks that uh regular cigarettes are not nearly like American spirits are not nearly as bad for you.

I understand that they have some type of the the American spirits I'm not even like advocating for what you should shouldn't smoke, but they supposed they say that's supposed to be the most natural if there's such a It's just tobacco, I believe. Is that a fact? No? What's in there besides tobacco? I don't know. I've been trying to there they got I don't know how this lawsuit ended up, but they got sued.

Oh, did they? Yeah. What what are the additives? I've done decided I don't I've tried to look. I mean there's a big here's like the website about the lawsuit. What's the accusation? Lawsuit questions natural claims. Natural American Spirit cigarettes are made by Santa Fe Natural Tobacco Company and parent company, Reynolds America. RJ Reynolds, they fuck with you. American Spirits has been sold in the U.S. since 1985, virtual under the original name, Original American Spirit.

Um Unadulterated tobacco suit claims to such marketing language as endeared American spirit cigarettes to a core group of smokers who believe that the natural tobacco in the cigarette makes them a healthier alternative Despite cigarette sales declining seventeen percent between two thousand nine and twenty fourteen, American spirit sales have increased eighty six percent over the same period. Huzzah.

Uh a regulatory filing on the Reynolds American website states American Spirit is the leading super premium cigarette brand that is a top ten best-selling cigarette brand. priced higher than most other competitive brands and is differentiated from key competitors through its use of all natural additive free tobacco, including Styles made with organic tobacco, but words like all natural and additive free, un American spirits labeling, the suit says belies the fact that Santa Fe

Reynolds adds ammonia to their cigarettes to maximize the amount of nicotine a smoker receives, with the result that American spirits contain significantly more free-based nicotine than other major cigarette brands.

So you actually getting high off of cigarettes? One hundred percent. I get high off of'em because I don't smoke'em all the time. So I only smoke if if I smoke a couple of cigarettes a week, it's a lot. And Newport's probably like ten times worth Menthol cigarettes probably ten times worse.

For you a body. I was talking to Kat about that. I was a whims. Yeah, I was asking him like why why do you like menthols? And he's like uh he was speaking on behalf of the black community. He said we we like things that are more potent.

I believe that that's possible part of it, but I also believe that back in the day and this supply I don't know if I talked about this, it was certain brands that targeted certain communities just for the loyalty of it. Yeah. And I think Newport was targeting I don't know if it was a situation when Newport came out.

they was spending more ad money with advertising and everything'cause I I don't know if I shared this story with you but um n uh Pepsi was a company that did that where they targeted the black community. So I think even though I understand we said more potent, but I think it was something that was

in our community, whether that was like cheaper prices or whatever, and I think it's generation and generation like you need to do this because black people did this because it was cheaper or whatever. I think that that might be the case with Newport. Probably both. What is the the menthol effect? What what is the

What is the difference in the woman's menthol? They've ruined that's one of the reasons I had to downgrade to like some people think that I started smoking Marbell Lice'cause I started dating white women, which is more appealing. Unless you date a white woman from the Midwest, then she probably smoking newports and drinking Pepsi's and Coca Cola just like you. But I think that po but I got so many Bad habit.

I need to change. Here we go. And our sponsor, our AI sponsor, Perplexity says the menthol effect of cigarettes come from the chemical menthol itself, which is added as a flavoring and a sensory agent to the tobacco. Menthol is naturally found in peppermint and other mint plants. Can also be made synthetically in a lab. Menthol activates cold sensitive nerd receptors in the mouth, throat, and airways, creating a cooling sensation when you inhale smoke.

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And can make cigarettes feel smoother and more addictive without making them any safer. So menthol cigarettes appeal to black people because it's a cool cigarette. It's cool. That's what makes so much sense why the brand cools cigarette because it makes you that makes sense. That's why they called it cool, I bet. Damn, what white people do to destroy my community, man? Destroy everybody. Half in wide body. Soul, mild ain't bold, cool ain't cool, Newport.

Oh,'cause that was like a cool that take on cools'cause people used to smoke cools. Do cools exist anymore? In jail. Only in June? I think that I think I don't know what the the rat the ratio is what what cigarette gets you more money in a dice game. But whenever I hear people telling war stories

They like, man, I got a pack I got a carton of cools for a bag of Doritos or something, but the value of a cool cigarette is is is higher in in prison. Isn't it crazy that they give you cigarettes in prison?

That's crazy. It's like the only drug you can get in prison. Yeah, and those those You can't get alcohol, right? Well you can get hooch. Well you can't get alcohol, but they make their own type of it's all under the table. Yeah. Yeah. But I think in prison The things that hold the most value, I think it's tang. Right? It's that uh artificial flavored drink you do. I think that is Astron shit. Yep. Cigarettes, Doritos. I heard honey bun.

hold the value and I heard candy bar, but candy bars, you gotta be particular with that. You cause if you offer, this is what I hear. If you offer a person a certain amount of candy bars, then what I understand is that you're inviting them to have sexual intercourse with you.

Yeah. Candy bars. Yeah, like you I don't think you want some candy bars and that's like code. Yeah, it's like Pizzagate with pizza. Mr. Good Bar for this Good Bar? Oh, okay. I think this is only not that I've had those experiences, Joe. But this is the times that I frequent the streets which aren't any more not too often. These are the stories that they tell. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. And these facts d you don't need'em for anything but for barbershop talk, but these are the conversations.

That I've I've heard people have. It's interesting how different brands market to different people and I mean, how do they figure it out? Like what do they work like That that's where it's evil, right? Like advertising itself. I don't have a problem with but I d I d there is something weird about deceptive advertising that's legal. You know? Well they they do a a history on what uh people like. I was watching or reading a story about

The uh people that started Forever Twenty One. I forget what the brand was. It was some Koreans from South Korea, not to be confused with Kim Jong un in those people. But they were tailors or something. They started a small boutique and what they would do was they would have these c clothing uh pieces of cloth and they would really paid particular attention to what colors people like, um, what was uh

selling the most whatever and that's what they buy. And one of the things that made Forever Twenty One so popular'cause they had really inexp the the clothes weren't expensive, but they was turning them over so quick. You know, so people do do case studies and see what people uh attracted to. I know with um with black people, um, you ch you put lemon pepper on anything, it's gonna go out out the roof. You could do lemon pepper, chicken wings, lemon pepper.

French fries, anything lemon pepper, they're gonna go. I don't know who started the whole lemon pepper craze, but you lemon pepper anything, black people gonna buy it. That's interesting like how white people are associated with very bland food. You know, macaroni cheese, mashed potatoes, mayonnaise. And you know why you're connected with that bland is'cause the way you pronounced it.

Macaroni and cheese? You'd never ever say m if you tell somebody, if you say and you would be able to be invited to the cookout, Joe, you know, people like you. If if you say, hey guys, I'm coming to the cookout. Right. And I'm bringing macaroni and cheese. You're gonna get uninvited to the cookout. What uh w how should I say? Mac and cheese.

Yeah, you can't say macaroni and cheese. Nobody ever does that. Okay. You would they would look at you as a spy. You would get invited and be uninvited. Well I'm a different type of white person'cause I'm Italian and we're associated with Very strong flavors. I'm bringing baked ZD to the barbecue. You'll be like, I'm bringing ZD, right?

Yeah, they would say baked ZD. Yeah, because there's different kinds of Z D. You know, there's Z D that you bake and then the Z D that you just boil and put, you know, marinara sauce on. But I will say this. As much as, you know, community make fun of um white people and their lack of seasoning. That can save your life. Lack of seasoning can save your life? Yes. When you think about you look at somebody one of the the most the country uh uh Home cooked sofa spot.

The one ingredient that's in everything that you taste right off the rip is salt. How good is salt? Then why do we think salt is hot? If you're feeling a little off, it's okay. It's February. Everybody feels a little off in February. It's darker, it's colder, you probably already gave up on some New Year's resolutions.

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It's bullshit. What type of salt? Is it a different salt? Is it like No, it's not salt's not bad for you. Well th first of all there's iodized salt, which is actually good for you'cause it contains iodine. They add iodine to it. But salt is not a bad thing. I mean you shouldn't have too much salt. Look, salt. Look, if you eat enough salt, you can't do it. Joe, you can't be the president to educate me with this. So all of these years, these people getting their toes chopped off.

That's not why. That's not why. If you're getting diabetes, it's usually from sugar. Okay. You know, there's have been a lot of misinformation that's spread because of actual scientists that were bribed by the the sugar industry. So the sugar industry, they paid a bunch of Harvard scientists, it was Harvard, right?

I believe it was. They didn't even give him a lot of money. Uh was it the nineteen fifties or nineteen sixties, Jamie? Do you remember? So this has all been outed now, but what they did was they tried to associate saturated fat and and foods with saturated fat with being responsible for heart disease. Right. And they did that to try to get the blame off of sugar.'Cause sugar is fucking terrible.

It's terrible in b basically every way. Especially added sugar. So why are all of these diseases that we speak of are more more can uh happening. In the black community than in the white community. It's diet. It's one hundred percent. It's sugar. It's processed food, it's diet, it's sugar, it's sugary drinks, it's the amount of sugar. Like if you g say if you drink like a a a one liter pet The amount of sugar that is how okay, let's find out how much sugar is in a one liter pepper?

You drink several of these a day. One of them I believe is more sugar than you're ever supposed to have. Pepsi is the one and that's why. Well it could be Coca Cola, it could be Pepsi, Mountain Dew, Picky Poison. I think it's one hundred percent Pepsi. Well Pepsi's uh I don't know if does Pepsi have more sugar than Coca Cola? I don't know. You know, Coca-Cola is one of the only things that's still flavored with cocaine.

Uh sugar content 115 to 123 grams in a one liter bottle. That's a crazy amount of sugar. 25 teaspoons, 35 sugar cubes. Dang it. That's a hundred and thirty percent, hundred and thirty eight percent of the recommended daily value of sugar. That's that's where people are getting type two diabetes. They're getting it from excess sugar. Specifically

Excess sugar, like in a liquid form, your body does not know what the fuck to do with that. Because nowhere in nature do you get sugar in a liquid form like that. Like even orange juice. Right. Like people think orange juice is good for you. It's not. Like drinking orange juice, yeah, you're gonna get some vitamin D, but you're also gonna uh vitamin C rather, but you're also gonna get a gigantic dose.

But is it a different type of sugar and fruits and vegetables than what you get off the counter of the fruit? Sugar from fruit is the best sugar for you because it's attached to fiber and that's that's a slow release sugar like if you eat an apple. And apples aren't bad for you. It's a natural way that your body consumes sugar. But there's apples were bad for Adam. Uh I don't even know if it was an apple. It was a fruit.

It was a apple from the tree of knowledge. The tree of It was an apple. Uh it was an apple. But it wasn't an apple tree. What it what specifically does the Bible refer to as the fruit of the Adam and Eve, Adam. You know the truth? What? Eve never talked to God. Adam talked to God. Adam told God not to eat the fruit. There's nowhere in the Bible does it say that Adam went and told Eve. This is why we should start not just shutting women down to listening to them.

It all started Genesis does not specifically specify rather what kind of fruit Adam ate, only that it calls it fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Yeah, so it's not necessarily an apple. We call it an apple. Uh the text never names the species, apple, fig, etc. The Hebrew word is peri, a general term meaning fruit without a botanical detail. Where the apple idea came from over time Jewish and Christian interpreters proposed many candidates including fig grapes and

pomegranate, citron, and others. Now common ideas that an apple developed later in European tradition, helped by word play in Latin and Old French where the words evil and apple or fruit

So it's not necessarily an apple. I really don't know what to believe, but I feel like I get so much more information when I come here. I don't know if people understand that. Well the crazy thing is that I mean I I've found this out recently because I've actually been reading That the there's no reference whatsoever to Adam telling Eve you're not supposed to eat the fruit from the plant uh w with the knowledge of good and evil.

I never knew that. Yeah. I just knew it was Adam. What happened was God created Adam. This is what Genesis says. God created Adam and then told Adam, Go and name all the animals. And then when he was done with that, Adam made it. But he never said it never says in the Bible Adam told Eve, Do not eat the

Who's giving this us this misinformation? Well the problem with the Bible uh is first of all that it was an oral tradition forever. So it was an oral tradition for a long time before it was ever written down. Then it was written down in a bunch of ancient languages. It was written down in ancient Hebrew, it was written down in Aramaic Aramaic.

And then when you translate ancient Hebrew to first they translated it to Latin and then they translated it to Greek and all these other maybe Greek first. I forget which one was first. But either way. The the translations miss a lot of the the language. It's uh a very complicated ancient Hebrew is a very complicated language.

And numbers double as letters in ancient Hebrew. So ancient Hebrew doesn't have numbers. All their words have a numerical value to them. What do you think makes people so connected? to the Bible. Is it because of Wanting to believe in something.

Definitely. Definitely wanting to believe in something. And then specifically if you look at like the teachings of Jesus Christ, if you follow them, I think it'll lead to a better life. I think it makes you a better person, makes you a better member of the community. It

it reinforces community. It's like a really good way to live your life. So I think the people that live that way, that actually live that way, they're better examples of human beings. So that makes it reinforced. But it's also people There's a lot of other religions that people believe in that don't have those aspects to them. People want to believe.

People want to believe in things even if you like like Scientology. People deeply believe in Scientology and i we know it was written by a science fiction author who was a bat L. Ron Hubbard wrote some terrible books. Like that guy would just bang books out. He never rewrote shit. Everything was a first draft. Just clank. He wrote more fiction than any human being that's ever lived. And they also wrote Scientology.

And people believe in it. But I do believe pe I think people like you say, people want to If your life is fucked up whatever they want to be able to say, Okay, this is my savior if I believe in this, it's gonna get me on the right track. And then with that, with these like uh Drewski just did a uh a skit that went viral, right? And it was like he was making fun of the mega churches and everything. But these churches, like, they give these people

Something to believe in, make them feel better and they charge it people. Do you think that it should be a separation if I If I inspire you, if my writings or my speeches inspire you to wanna do something and change your life and b be uh more financially secure. Do you think these people are entitled to like okay, almost like agencies, if I get you to work or get you there, should you hit me off? Or uh the mega churches is it so wrong for me to just to pour all their money into'em or

Are they giving these people something to believe in? If that's the case, do I supposedly get a piece of that? I think they're preying on people's need to believe in things. And I think they're very predatory. And I think that's why they're flying private jets and driving Rolls Royces and living in mega max. And they're doing it all off of donations of people that are barely getting by. That's a lot.

You know, I think it's a scam that's legal. I think if we were a just and righteous society it wouldn't be legal. Right. I mean it's you're taking advantage of people when they need something to believe in and you're asking for all their money. Like I remember I was watching this guy on TV once, like televangelists are the words. And this guy was saying that if you are broke, you should borrow money to donate it to the church, and it will be paid back to you tenfold.

That God will pay you back tenfold. And then he had all these examples of people that did it and they would call in and say, I I was a thousand dollars in debt and this and that but I borrowed a hundred dollars and I donated to you and now all of a sudden I drive a Rolls Royce and it's all horseshit. But those are all desperate

Desperate people. Desperate people. Those are same people that I'm gonna spend thirty dollars on the lottery every day for like fucking fifty years and don't know how much. That's another scam. That's another scam. Not only is that a scam, here's the scam about the lottery. Not only does

Like say if everyone pumps money into the lottery. Say you you buy a hundred dollars worth of tickets and Jamie buys a hundred dollars worth of tickets and I buy a hundred dollars. So there's three hundred dollars in the lottery. There's not even three hundred dollars available.

If you win. Right. So and then if you win, you don't get all the money. You get the money over a long period of paying. Right, right, right. But if you if you take the second option, it's a significantly like here's a good example.

Speaking of the Epstein files. His company Zorro Trust. I didn't like that transition. You looked me right in my eyes and said, speaking of the Epstein files. Well, Epstein, we were talking about it before the podcast. No, you were. Epstein came to see you. No, Epstein did not find. Okay. They loved your show. Yo. He was a number one fan. First of all, I I never You don't know. Look, they came to West Palm Improv because you're a famous comedian and you were playing in the town where he lived.

So what are you saying? Nothing. But what I'm saying is that what I'm saying is Epstein won the lottery. His company, Zorro Trust, won an eighty million dollar lottery. And then they pay they they took the payoff. And the payoff was only thirty million. What do you mean when you say what? They his company bought a ticket for the law. Yes, Zoro Trust, which is his company.

They won the lottery, which is very suspicious. Not only that, he won the lottery right after he was arrested and went to jail for fucking kids or having sex or whatever he whatever he was arrested for. Sexual hand jobs, whatever it was. So there's nothing wrong with underage. No, but when they're underage girls probably not. Oh, I didn't know that part. So then when he went um and got the lottery money, the company took the payoff.

The payoff out of an eighty million dollar payment, the eighty million dollar jackpot was only thirty million. So if you want the money, you take thirty. So not only did they take fifty out of the eighty, but then you think about how many people spent money buying lottery tickets, it's way more than eighty million. Right. So they make money off of that and then they make money off of the fact that you want the payoff instead of the you know the

So they never could it doesn't matter what the jackpot becomes, they never can lose. They can't lose. Right. Like let's find that out. Like uh let's say Let's find uh an average jackpot of mega bucks and find out how much money actually goes into it, how much how much money people spend versus how much money the payout is. So when this th the uh all lotos are state regulated, right? Right? Say they get$100 million from people trying to win a billion dollars.

It's cause the state regulate do they do they have to s pay taxes to the government for the money they're going to do. The lotto No. That's the state. Well or it's the government owns it. So it's a it's a whatever the But not only that, you pay taxes on it.

So say the winner pays taxes. Yeah, yeah, of course. So say if you take that thirty million dollar payout, you don't even get thirty million. Then you have to pay taxes on that thirty million. So they get money from that too. So they can't fucking lose.

But for a person that's never seen the b b barely seen a thousand dollars anywhere, anything with millionaire they're gonna be excited about and take it before they Exactly, exactly. And over time most people are not gonna win. So most people are dumping money into it. There was a story of a young young lady, I don't know exactly what it was. I think she won some type of lottery where they but gave her two options. She would get I think it was like uh a payout of like two or three million.

Right up front or they give her I think it was like twenty thousand dollars every month. for as long as she lived. Yeah. That's all they did. And she did this well, people think that it's kinda crazy, but if you consider the fact that she was probably twenty, twenty one. Her life expectancy probably she was white, so she probably lived to a hundred and thirty two. You know what I'm saying? She looked like I that was a smart a lot of people would not understand that. That was a smart thing.

But I d I'm I don't think it's for the rest of your life. I think it's until it reaches that number. I don't think they're gonna give you money for the rest of your life. Well maybe I was reading the heavenly. Maybe it's a different kind of lottery that I'm not aware of. Maybe I think it was something as long as she lives.

Yeah. All right, here it is. Typical mega million jackpot run, total ticket revenue is usually several times the advertised jackpot, but there's no single fixed average because sales vary enormously with the jackpot size. Still you can get a good ballpark. So around fifty percent of ticket revenue goes into the overall prize pool. So the government makes fifty percent right off the bat. Right. So if it's a hundred million dollar payout, they already made a hundred million.

So that's two hundred million dollars is what they made. They throw in a hundred million dollars for everybody. Of that prize pool, roughly two thirds to three quarters is allocated to the jackpot, with the rest funding lower tier prize. So that means even if there's two hundred million dollars, out of the hundred million dollars, only two thirds of it goes into the the big jackpot. Um And that means the jackpot is typically in the order of one third of total ticket sales that run

And then out of that one third, so say if it's a hundred million or with the Epstein case it was eighty million, he took the payout, which was thirty million. So they make fifty on top of that. And then on top of that, you pay taxes on that thirty.

It's a crazy skin. What do they do with the money? Whatever the fuck they want. I think they probably I think they in certain neighborhoods, I think they probably pump a certain amount of winning tickets into a neighborhood just to get you addicted to keep going in there and spend your money.

Well it's supposed to be random. You know, I don't know how much oversight look, if a guy like Jeffrey Epstein can win, I don't know how much oversight is it. I know um back in Boston when I lived there, Whitey Bulger won See if this is true. I think he won the lotto twice, which is crazy. Whitey Bolger, who was there? That's the one. Whitey Bolger was a South Boston mob boss. uh in the nineteen eighties when I lived there. The nineteen eighties and nineties.

A Ma a Ma Boss? Yeah, he was a dangerous, dangerous guy. He was the guy that that movie that Leonardo DiCaprio starred in with Jack Nicholson. What was that movie, Jamie? Remember that movie that was based on Whitey Bulger? The departed? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay. That was based on Whitey Bulger. He was a gangster? Oh yeah. Terrible. Yeah. What was his demise? He was actually a fucking FBI informant.

Not only was he a gangster, he was working with the FBI and they were letting him get away with shit because he was throwing other people under the bus. I think there's a different I mean They wound up catching him in Santa Monica. Well, I've found that About that Whitey Bulger won the Mass Millions lottery. About that time. Yeah. Yeah, he won the fucking lottery, man. So uh this is what it says here. What does it say?

Yeah. Oh a hundred percent it's a way to launder money. So the way it would work was like say if you lived in the community and you won the lottery ticket, maybe they would give you money for your lottery ticket and then he would get it. And that way it would show that this is where he got his

Like these guys would all own businesses. Right. But the reason why they would own businesses is so they could show why they drive a Cadillac, why they have a mansion, why they have this, because they have legitimate business. But really these businesses were scams. My father convinced my family that he was a real estate agent for years to come and find out he was a heroin king been in D.C. for years. All we needed was an excuse. He's selling real estate, all right. That's hilarious.

Um so he ordered the real winner to sign the ticket over with Whitey and two associates paying two point three million dollars in cash for fifty percent of the winning. Bulcher Bulger himself paid Michael Linsky seven hundred thousand, although Linsky lost money in the deal, he really had no choice. It came down to selling the ticket or risking his life. Yeah, so that's how it usually wills w works. So he was a sniff. Whitey was a snitch. Yeah.

He was a snitch and he got caught in Santa Monica. No, he was a snitch. Whistleblowers are people that snitch on people in higher profile positions like corporate America. But what I'm finding out No, he wasn't a whistleblower. He was an actual snitch. Because he was turning other people in. But he was a kingpin. Is this true? And I don't wanna make everything about race. Snitches get snitches more prevalent.

in a white community or the black community or it's across the board. I think it's across the board, isn't it? Like the like the black community is famous for keeping their mouth shut when someone gets shot or when someone does something Like when cops come and question it. Not anymore. But that was the thing with the mafia too. Yeah. The mob would never rat out.

Now I see like especially in my community, so many people like Rat, I got the paperwork and everything. And now it feels like like That motto of being loyal is dead. It's like people now they they get in caught with shit and the minute they get caught they snitch on everybody. Right. And there's no repercussions when they come home. There's no repercussions. I don't see that as much. I see so many people

That are like they saying whatever the fuck they want to do, whatever and they still out here just living their lives normal like in nothing fucking happened. Well with the mob, it was always like if you rated on the mob, you were a dead. You're a dead man, your family was probably dead, they burned your house down and and people kept their mouth shut because of that.

And so guys would go to jail all the time and never open their mouth and they would be rewarded when they would get out. And they'd have a party for'em, celebrate. That's in good fellas. You kept your mouth shut. You never said nothing. That was the whole thing.

But the whole thing I used to live That changed though like with John Gotti. Like the the government No, Sammy the Bull. Sammy the Bull and and it wasn't just them. Like they were s everyone was snitching on everybody. It's like they got these guys. You know, we had Donny Brasco in the in the studio. From from um what um from that Johnny Depp movie? It was called Donnie Brasco. Okay. He might confuse that with um what's his real Johnny Donny Brasco? Joe uh I'm not confused Bronx to

Joe Pistone. That's not nothing to do with Bronxtail, right? No, different story. That's a different story. Yeah. Um so Donnie Brasco was the guy who was he was an agent and he pretended to be a mob guy and he got in with the mob and was with him for like seven years, did all kinds of shit with the mob and then Sold everybody out and they all Yeah, I don't know. I'm just so d this the culture, everything is

There used to be a phrase snitches get stitches. Now I don't know if this just everywhere, but everywhere I go, it's like the most interesting thing now that's selling on any platform, especially social media, is B. And I don't understand why people gravitate toward negativity more than anything. That's normal. Why what but you know what? It's interesting. Your platform

is not known for that. No. Your platform but I go to these other platforms and I don't know I think these guys these people they just sit back and it's like okay what can I say? to make people upset, get'em riled up, and then I take advantage of the engagement that they do. They're in a different game than me. All right. Their game is trying to get engagement. My game is talking to people that are being a bit more than a bit of a game. But doesn't that d don't doesn't that become

I don't want to be triggered or anything, but doesn't that become destructive after a while? 100%. And do you have you noticed? It ch especially I'll put it like this, especially with comedians with pop. where like you say, a person will go on a podcast because it was interesting, they told funny stories, right or they was good at their craft or whatever. But now it feels like all these platforms and I don't know that's just in in my community, when I say that black people

It's like the only way I can find myself interesting if I talk shit about people. Right. And motherfuckers are going away from being being funny. When you get interviewed. Fucking podcast I turn on now. It's somebody, I'ma expose this person. I'ma tell this about what you didn't know.

And the one thing they're not doing, especially as a stand-up comedian, motherfuckers don't give a fuck about being funny no more. Are those days over? No, no, no, no. Those people that do that are almost always not very talented. Almost always. The only exception to that is Cat. And I think what Kat was doing was different. Because what Cat was doing was exposing what he thought was snakes and liars. Okay. Are you to different things? Okay. Okay.

Okay. This is my question. Okay. Okay. This is my question. Okay. This is my question. People can take it. Okay. Okay. I want to say this. This is what I'm saying, Joe. What are you saying? I'm coming from this place. I'm like this. No disrespect to whatever to cat, but like who asked you?

Shannon Sharp did when he did that podcast. Shannon Sharp might have asked one question. Shannon but Shannon Sharp likes that. Like that in his podcast. He likes a lot of that. His his people, they find questions. He's got a sheet of paper. Joe, what do you do with those truths? What do you do with talking about?

I watched oh this is a horrible impression. I sat there in the parking lot and I watched people go up into Diddy's house and they came down and they was standing up. I'm trying to figure out what the fuck do you get out of that? What what what is the result of that? You expose these people to say what? Hollywood is never going to fucking change.

You know what changes? Like what you do. I left fucking Hollywood. Hollywood's not gonna change. And I'm not saying I went to a ditty party. First off, I was never invited. There's a chance I would accept the invitation with rules. You know, but if what is the purpose of exposing something Well I don't think most people are exposing. What most people are doing where they're being negative is they are jealous.

And they are below the person they're talking shit about. Like whenever I see someone that's talking shit about it. And you use Cat Williams as an example.

So when you said they're joking. Cat first of all, when Kat did it was very funny. Which is It was very funny. Cat's a very funny guy. Very strange. And when he was doing it, I think he was also being very funny while he was doing it, which is different. Well, you have to put a LOL on the end of it because people might not understand it as human.

'Cause this is what this is the connection people have. They this is what they the connection they have with Kat. It's like they this is what they say. And they ride with him, they say, Where is Delight? Where is the lion all the stuff? But I'm just trying to understand

What is the purpose of exposing all this stuff? What do we do with this information? What do we do with the information that diddy like to have fucking freak parties with baby all and what the fuck do we do with all this information? Well Diddy's in jail right now, so they did that. Well, Denny's in jail for doing something that a lot of people I let me tell you something, Joe. Tell me something.

I was riding with Diddy for once. I liked the music he did, everything. I don't know Diddy like that. But when I first Red. The definition of sex traffic. Right? Uh-huh. I'm sure you're a verse person, you're smart. Uh-huh. The definition of sex trafficking, to transport a woman across state lines with the intent to have sexual intercourse with her. Right. When I heard It's trafficking is No, there's not actually w my d Really?

Wait a minute. So if you are dating a girl and she lives in Minnesota and you live in California and you fly her to California? And I'm thinking about I don't think that's true at all. I think that's just flying a girl in that you're having a relationship. Yeah, but that's normal. Everybody does that. But that's the definition. Yeah, commercial. Commercial sex act. Induced by force, fraud, or coercion. Huh. Well, coercion's crazy. Because coercion is like, please, I'll buy you a bag.

That's sex trafficking. That's a sex track. So like if a girl right, if you're if you if there's a girl she's like, What are you gonna do for me? Like, you know those shoes you want? I got those shoes for you. Let's go shopping. Like that's kind of sex trafficking if that's correct.

coercion for money. Like if a girl's thinking about coming out to visit you and then you go, listen, listen, listen. What are you looking for? What do you what do you want to buy? I got money. Come on, let's go shopping. That kind of would fall into that category. But look, but we're getting off topic. Let's go back to the topic originally in hand. No no no you're not gonna get in trouble for sex trafficking.

That's all horseshit. But the reason why these comedians are doing it is because they're never bigger than the comedians they're shitting on. Never 1000%. And you know what it is, Joe? And they're never good. You know what it is too, Joe? Is that Deep down inside, they want to be that person. One hundred percent. Or they want to be in the position that person's in is a better way of putting it.

guilty of it. And this is the thing that I hear that understands me, that d that that that disturbs me, is that, you know, the uh a lot of these people that bitch the most They at some point in their career. They were favored by Hollywood. Yes. At some point in their career they had these opportunities. At some point in their career, guess what? They had the agencies. They had the agents and something happened in their career

where they fell out of favor for whatever you want to call that it. Whatever you want to call that. F for whatever. Maybe something they did. Agency didn't like liked it too much. And now everything that they wrote on, everything they wanted to do, now Or that's fucked up and the only way you get this opportunity because it has to be sexual favors and all that type of shit.

And where did the fuck you draw the line? But it's not even sexual. It's like they criticize the work of the other person. That person ain't shit. That person's scared. Can I can I yo, there's here's the thing. Come on, you you get this all the time because you ride with Dave and Dave's number one, right? So you always get you always get this label, even though you're a great comic, you get this label being a coattail rider. Right. And guess what?

Everybody don't this is what I try to explain to people, Joe. Everybody does not have to be Batman. I don't have a problem with being Robin. You know why? Cause Robin got the same amount of screen time as Batman. And and the reason why I say this what I get and I'm t I'm telling you this Joe, I don't know if this gum is kicking in.

This is what this is what good this is what fucks me up, Joe. This is what fucks me up. And I'll tell you an example. I'm gonna give you an example. Don't give me examples. No, I'm gonna tell you. Are you pulling out your phone? I'ma tell you why. Because your fucking shirt is fucking triggering me right now. Kill Tony? Uh greatest comedy show of all time in the history of the known universe? I know that, but there's a lot of lies involved.

Listen, this is this is what they say. This is what they say. Listen, no, listen. Why are you doing that? Yo, you told me that the Kill Tony audience say about me. Um, Chappelle's butt plug is

Oh my god Yo, I gotta deal with this shit. What is so hard? No Well you gotta stop paying attention to it It's so hard Do you know what it would happen to me if I paid attention to all the haters that I have? Yeah I would go crazy You would do you think that you paid attention to those haters now you're at a position where now you have so many reasons to say fuck.

Do you feel like you had th that same belief when you was first starting this? Did you did you engage them then? Well, I engaged online with a lot of people in the early days'cause I didn't understand What you're doing is you're engaging with people that don't have happy lives. Right. And they're negative.

And there's some criticisms that are good for you because some criticisms make you evaluate what you're doing and say, Okay, well what I need to do is be undeniable so these critics mean nothing to me because you can't the p I'm killing, the audience loves me, I'm selling out everywhere. I'm doing great on stage. That you can't pay attention to the body. You know what? You know what? I will say this. I hear you, Joe. I tried that with them motherfuckers on your shirt.

You had a bad show. You had one bad show. I never had You had a bad show. Y You had a bad show. Please don't do this to me, all right? You did. You had that one bad show where you went back and forth with it. You walked did you walk off the show? Do you want me to play it back? I I please don't do this. You're a little drunk. Who is the comic? Who is the comic? I don't know his name. We don't need freezing. You you know what you're doing.

You're don't you're being a provocatory out here. You're provoking me because we broke this shit down. And I don't want to keep going. I didn't think of this when I was wearing this shirt. I'll change the shirt. No, it's okay. Put something over. I'll wear a Benny the Jet shirt. Break it down, Joe. No, we don't have to. If we have to, you started this shit. All right? Thank you. I'm gonna change my shirt right now.

I didn't have a bad show. You definitely didn't have a great show, right? When you walk off, it's not good. Cheers. I feel like Carrie. They're all gonna laugh at me. They're gonna laugh at me. It wasn't. This for the last fucking time, Joe. For the last fucking time. And this is what's so fucking evil about this situation that some people call a bad show.

I never wanted to do the show. But you came back on you had a good show, right? I wanna go back. Let's rewind. All right. And this is you were a part of it. Hey look. I changed my shirt. No more tricky. Shout out to Benny the Jet. Ah, okay, I feel a lot better now. So boy. I need another piece of gunk. I'm gonna say this, because take what it's worth. First off

I did not want the first time I did it here in Austin. Right. I didn't want to do the show. Okay. And the reason why I didn't want to do the show, Joe, now you're not even paying attention to the show. Do you want a cigar? Yeah, I'll take a cigar. I I didn't want to do the show and I'll tell you why. Cause I'm the streets say I'm sensitive. You are a little sensitive. Can I have not have your opinion and just listen to me, please? It was during the pandemic.

People would still come to do your podcast because they know the benefits of it and you had your thing doing. They would come to your podcast and then they would fucking leave because they didn't want to catch COVID and then they would leave Tony stranded and he had no good guest. I was here. Right? This one when I'm talking about the time when Tony had a black band. He still has a black band. All black. A couple black.

I think it's mostly black, right? Okay. I want to tell a story. This is the last time I'm going to talk about it. Deep madness? I mean, l n name. This is the last time, Joe. I want to tell a story. Drum on the guitar. What's that? Mike. A lot of them are black.

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Tony said, Would you stay? Come on. I was like, you know. And I stayed, right? Okay. And I stayed and I stayed. I was on the show for two and a half hours. I told him. This is where it gets all crazy. I told him I had a something I was supposed to do later.

There was another black comic that was on his show. He started roasting me. I had no problem with that. I had no problem with him roasting me. But I felt fucked up because it was only me, him, and I was trying to get this guy some sound advice. But the only way he thought he was gonna get off by fucking with me. So I was like, yo, why you fuck with me? We on the same we on this fucking same team.

What they did was look at the fucking video. Okay. You see, I want you to slow it down. Slow it down. Slow the video down. It's like a Zapruder film. You're gonna let me freak get my thought, Joe. Sorry. It's so easy for me to get distracted. Just hang your own. So if you look at this video, you see him saying something to me, and then when I leave, it's two different fucking comics on the fucking stage. It's a dude that I was roasting and then they showed me the exit.

And then these kill Tony bitch ass motherfuckers and I'm telling you, I'll get past it. They may oh, Donnell walked off. I didn't walk off. I had some other shit to do. And in the last episode, you and your boy Tony, he caught here and Tony doubled down on it and he said, no, that's not what happened. Of course, them comment motherfuckers, the ones that be putting cringe on here, they rode with it. Okay. Then I came back.

Came back and an amazing show. Tony said it was one of the best shows he's ever done. Because you were ready. I'm amazing. You you are amazing, but also you wanted to get it back Right. I didn't have you know what? This is what Red Man says. Red band, red man. Whatever the fuck his name is human. He changed too. I'm gonna tell you about Wu Tank. Let me tell you I'ma tell you the difference between him and I'm gonna tell you the similarities between him and Jamie a little later on, right? Okay.

How they're divas now. And I know you said that. Jamie? Might Jamie's a diva? Yes. He has a false memory of something already. I will defend Jamie to the bitter end. Well maybe you don't know him. I don't know Jamie. Yo, let me tell you. This is Jamie. I know Jamie better than his mom. I know. But this is the Jamie I saw. What is it? Killed Tony after sit down, you're not on camera. Okay, it's also a Saturday night. Okay. He had a leather

jacket on. Jamie had a leather jacket. He doesn't even want a leather jacket. Whatever it was. Do you want a leather jacket? No, he doesn't even Your collar was flipped up. Joe, your collar was flipped up. Like dice. And Timmy had the shirt open. You might have had Timmy no breaks the other day. He had the shirt open to this button right here. Oh, right.

Gold chains. And he was sitting in I don't know what type of moose he was. Jimmy had gold chains boost on his hair. Ponytail was popping. He had some type of moose or something, right? And then he was just looking and I was like, What's up, Jamie? He was like, uh uh. He had his hands in his pocket. It was giving as they say, it was giving Fonzie attitude. I knew I knew that it changed. But this is what Red Band, Redman, whatever the man he said. Red Bam. Red Man. He said

That must been the most epic comeback and kill Tony history. I was like, Well the second episode was. You came back full. I don't know It was great. I'm trying to use the term. I don't I don't think this is passive wrest wrestle, but you fucking with my mentor, right? No. I'm telling you you're a great comic and you're funny as fuck and when you came back it was amazing. That's what you said. The second episode was great. This is the point I'm making of what you're doing.

Right. The first episode was great. It was doctor It was It was Dr. Video said document you doctored it. But then then here's the thing. They said Red man, red man, he said. He said that was the greatest comeback. I was like, it wasn't a comeback. You're editing what it was. And this is what I did. You're editing. This is what I did. And I'm not saying I think about

to kill Tony audience like that. But I thought about'em.'Cause what this is what I said. I was like, this is what I want like you say, I'm a great comic. I know what I do. I say, you know what? I don't want to give these motherfuckers opportunity to be able to fuck with me. So I did.

Before I went that last, I'll say, okay, what did you do last time that you're gonna do different for they want to say that I was like, the last one, you had some drinks. Well, I I wasn't able to do anything about that because I had some more drinks. But I was like, I tried to address what their concerns were, right? And with them, it's not gonna make a difference.'Cause I know that last episode

What did this what I didn't understand about Kill Tony. I didn't understand the f the the formula. I don't watch it like that. First time I ever did it, I was interrupting the one minute part. You know what I mean? Oh, okay. And Tony told me, first time I did it, he said, D, only one rule. He said, let them talk for a minute. I said, Tony, why you have this on me on this show? You know I'm gonna break the rules. He knew that, right? But then after I r I was like I w understood.

How important it was to let those comics get that minute. Right. So when I did it a second time with Rob Schneider, I didn't interrupt. Sometimes my criticism could have been too hard. I was trying to be more supportive than anything. If you watch the last one I did, I had nothing bad to say about people in a harsh way.

Certain people I knew was up there just because it was gimmicked. And there were certain people I was like, oh man, they've really got talent. Like this one lady she was an older woman. I think she's a regular there, right? I don't know what sh know what she was. But I told her, I say, you know, it's so awesome. I said when I watch you perform, I see passion. I see somebody that's going into a different career later in life, which is the hardest thing to do.

I made those points. Like, and I wasn't trying to be an asshole. And even I got caught up in one and they ran with this shit. And it's a song that uh there was one of the acts by the name of Juanita. Juanita is a uh gender what is it when you Transgender? Yeah, you you have a dick but you're a girl still? Yeah. Yeah, transgender, right? So she came up with this song.

And she did the song We Will We Will Praise You Praise You. And I had a couple of drinks, right? And I said and I was thinking like What the stuff? Oh, you geared up for that shit, huh? Put your headphones on. No, listen. Put your headphones on. Oh god. Okay. Go. Go ahead. Wait a minute. That's Juanita's version? Okay. Okay. Praise Do you got Juanita's version? Oh, I can find it. Get to so this is where I've been, Joe. So I'm I had a couple two two three four five Tito's in.

And I'm only looking at the artist with my peripheral. I'm not staring nobody down and like looking at them in it through the pupils or whatever. So the performer, I'm gonna say that'cause I don't wanna get anybody upset. The performer was like Here we go. Okay. Now look how I'm not paying attention. Right. You're looking right at her. Shut the fuck up. Okay. Listen. Alright, we'll see.

Um so it was very strange when in two thousand eight I'm sorry. Okay. Oh they had to cut it out too, I think. Probably the song That's the gayest thing I've ever done. And I do anal. Believe it or not. Y'all do a remix of that song for any black guy. Yeah. Oh probably true. Dick, Donnell. That is a Keep it going. Don't keep it going. This is amazing. That's how it happens, ladies and gentlemen. They can't tell.

The brothers the brothers can't tell. The brothers can't tell. They will they will fuck you. They never I was trying to be nice! Down the last But keep it going, keep it going,'cause it's hilarious. gonna find that clip. Fuck you. You are f you are fucked on now. I'm getting word from the Danielle, I'm sure this happened before in Korea. I'm sharing Korea as an 18-year-old boy. This is a memory coming back to you. Oh my god.

Have you been with a black man before? Keep it going, keep it going, gets it gets you a fire. Find you and kill you? No, it's race riot. I'm just kidding. I mean that's a job. Oh shit. Now I'm offended. No, I I have been. I've been with one, he was half. Okay. Oh my nigga! Come on, that was funny. No, wait a minute. It was funny. And I didn't take the funny thing about it was I had a I did have a couple of drinks, right? People like, how did you not know?

Like um I live in the Midwest and what I really thought it would I know women that look just like Juanita. Sure. That in the face is kind of like sketchy, like a dollar general one to two. And uh I wasn't offended, but it just it just caught me off guard. But what I'm going back to I was saying about the kill Tony thing. And this is another thing people said, Well, Donnell, you got upset'cause Rob Schneider was roast

There was the first time Rob Schneider was on the show, right? He didn't really know too much about the Kill Tony platform. I l knew a little more than he did. And at the beginning he was kind of cold, if you wanna say. Not cold, like not funny, but he just wasn't warmed up to the flow. And then I started saying things. We was I was alley ooping him, right? Right. Basically people can say what they want. I helped get him comfortable on the show and then he

And then we did we anybody tell you that episode was amazing, right? It was amazing. But this is what thing, this is what that play that platform is not a place for you to tell how you really feel about somebody, right? And I owed Tony an apology, and I'll tell you why. When Tony did the um um R I R N um Republic National Convention, whatever.

Remember when he did the roasting? Yes. For that. It was a very, very testy time. You know politics, everybody said you shouldn't do this and everything. I told him not to do it. You told him not to do the show? The Republican Party thing. Here's the thing. This is what just for the people that's listening, this is what happened at the end of that Kill Tony with me and Rob Schneider.

All I wanted to do, I've I I had the question on, where do you draw the line? Do you draw the line of what people think how you're supposed to respond something? Or do you loyal are you loyal to somebody or how they treat you and how they are as a friend? And Tony wanted me to do that show. And anytime I've called Tony, he's pick up the phone. Vice versa. We've been in for each other. My public

I don't know if this is a good idea right now to cause what you think is a nice gesture you want to do the show, people gonna act like it's a political stand. I didn't want that, right? So I had listen to public. This is what I learned now, Joe. What I'm saying, that was m my inexperience, whatever. And something I kept calling her. I was like, what if I do this?'Cause I wanted to be reconnected with him, whatever. And I told Tony, he was hot.

in a good way and a positive way. I felt so bad, got caught'em, I said, Man, I really wanna do the show but I think people are gonna take it the wrong way now, right? And this with me, I felt bad about it. I stood up at your condo I was on the balcony, bruh. And I watched motherfuckers going to the show. I felt bad about it. I didn't do it. And the only thing I wanted to do at the end of that Kill Tony episode was to

apologize to him and say, you know, as a friend, I probably wasn't there. And he understood even though I was like, he's never gonna let me do the show again. He said, I'd love to have you there. The only issue I had with Rob Schneider, in that moment, he didn't have the sense of me trying to say something serious, right? And he c he was getting a laugh off this one joke and it was at my expense. You know, when I had this moment I was talking about friendship and everything.

Rob kept on with this fucking corny joke and I didn't want to flip out. And then people took that as like, oh yeah, Rob roasted him. The fuck outta here. I was trying to talk about and I had this issue. You might have the same issue. Some people know people certain way you know them different way. And I use an example and and I'm gonna get shitted on for saying this or whatever, like oh how could you say

I um you gotta stop worrying about what other people think. Can't do it. I can't do it. You gotta stop worrying about what other people think. This is this is the conflict. You you know how you feel. Just be yourself. I'll just say this kid rock. Kid rock, right? You say that name for some people in certain places, oh fuck him or whatever, right? Right. I met Kir Rock.

Some years ago when we were doing the uh cornfield shows in um in Yellow Springs and I tell people something and we talked about this earlier, some people are provocative. I really believe Kid Rock doesn't believe half the shit he said, but I think that he knows what's gonna move the dial is what's gonna make him be in the headlines or what people like, oh shit. He's gonna stick to them. Well we did that show in Nashville, remember we hung out with him, went to his house? Yeah, exactly.

Um and and with that, even when he came to Cornford that time, this was the point where he said some c crazy shit out of his mouth. Nobody wanted to be around him or anything, right? Right. Right. You know, when I do I do this thing called I do river runs in in Yellowsprings or how

And for some reason, I take people down the river and it's like a peach thing. Like you in nature. You got a photo, you're right outside the door. I know. I asked for that photo here, too. It's right outside the door. I love that.

So d now if you look at that photo you'll see the energy. That's the vibe I was on. And nobody wanted to get close to Kid Rock or anything, right? And I remember as a kid how the black community accepted him. He was cool I'm thinking about that shit. We're riding down the river. Kids 011 kayak. I'm on the other side. We smoke and joint. And he looked at me and I know he was sincere and he said it. He said, man, it feel like I just had 13 hours of anger management, right?

And I was like, okay, I'm not trying to be a therapist or anything, but that felt good. Then at the end, we stopped. He's flipping burgers and shit. We got to know each other. We kept in touch with each other. And um he was doing a comedy fest. In Nashville, right? He appreciated me as a comedian. He said, Yo, D, I'm doing this. I was like one of the first people he called, right? He said, You wanna do it? I was like,

Why not? Then I thought about I was like what again what your sounds like what people gonna think. Seven comedians on the show. I'm the only black guy. I knew what I was walking into. I knew it was gonna be all mad. It wasn't gonna be a gay person. It wasn't gonna be a midget. It wasn't gonna be a lesbian. It wasn't gonna be anything but bona fide the real real Red, white, and blue flag motherfuckers. But I said, Donnell, can you separate can you go up here? Can you perform?

and and be entertaining. Not shucking and jiving or none of that type of shit. I went up there last person got a stand in ovation, right? At the end of the show. This is what people might not understand, and I'm not trying to defend them or anything. At the end of the show, me and Kid Rock or in this case I want to say Kid Rock was a backstage. Bobby was.

Right. And he said, man, he looked at me. He said, man, I think we just brought this country back together. Right? And I said, Well, don't separate it, motherfucker. He said, Okay, two weeks later he do some other stupid shit. When when when when Trump got elected, I know people went to his page to see what his response was gonna be. Was he gonna gloat? We like, fuck y'all, this is America. He did this video, which I thought was so dope, cause it showed two sides of him. It showed it.

And it showed Bobby, right? And then how they both uh responded to Donald Trump being elected. The Kid Rock was the crotch grabbing motherfucker. Fuck you, right? Then he came out, you find this, he came out as Bobby with shorts just No American flags, baseball cap, fucking reading glasses, whatever. And I thought it was dope. The dialogue that he had with it. He played the victory. He said, you know, you know, we did win. He said, but this is not a time to gloat.

It's so much stuff that we need to do. He said all sides want to get to a certain place, but we have different ideas on how we're going to get. I thought that for whatever people wanna think, I thought that was showing an another side. And also I told him'cause I would talk to him off and on, I said, you know what song you you should do? You should do Nina Simone's uh song Um uh Misunderstood.

Right, just sing that shit. But I know he wouldn't never do that because the bass that really li s likes a resport uh supports him might be like, Oh, he's softening. The point I'm making with even though with Tony, with the situation, I consider Tony a good friend of mine for different reasons, right?

That's why I wanted to have that moment to say that. But Rob Schneider, as much as they say I took away from moments on that show, he took away from that moment. I wasn't trying to be a bitch. I wasn't trying to be soft, but I wanted to say, I apologize because sometimes friendships gotta be stronger than that, and that's where I was. And as much as I don't need

The Kill Tony show. And this is what I always say about that show. I said there's not that reminds me, Kill Tony reminds me of the Def Jam era, right? And when I say that, there was a platform. For undiscovered talent, people that you've never seen for is such a spectacle. Like Def Jam, it was people that didn't have the skill set to fucking go headline, but they was being seen. Same thing with Kill Tony.

The if you look at this is what I appreciate about this show for whoever likes it or whatever, it's a platform to get on. I travel around the country. It used to be you remember back in the day it was like, Oh, I need to be on Letterman. I need to be on the Carson, whatever. That is the I gotta get on Kill Tone.

And in some cases it's some good and bad to that. There's some people that was ready for it. There's some people like, you know what, you had two or three minutes worth of jokes, you know what I'm saying? You're not ready. But it gave people some hope. When I was standing at the hotel the other day, three people

travel across the country like with the hopes of that, you know. So I know how important that show is, you know. Is it the fan base? I want them to be like, oh, I can't wait to see'em. But for me I always, my whole career, Joe, I always wanted to be around the people, the places that they say the best comedians perform. When I started um when I was in New York, I always I wanted to get past at the comedy seller.

Not because I wanted to be a cellar dweller. I didn't want to be the guy in the back fucking just every weekend just sit back there telling what stories. I was like, if this is where the best comics perform, I want to be a part of that. I want to be past that. Because when I got past in the community cellar. It wasn't a lot of black communities working the cellar. It was Greer Barnes. It was Keith Robinson.

R.I.P. It was William Stevenson. Patrice. Patrice. Dave Chappelle. In fact, uh Barry Katz had a room, uh Boston Comedy Club, and it was Black Knight on Sundays, right? The black comedians look at me like they said, where you going? I got a spotted decelerant. Put the work in, I hung out, got a couple of recommendations and when it's time for me to showcase I did my thing.

But the minute I got past in the cellar, I didn't really care about working there all the time. I just wanted to be validated as like, this is the spot. Same thing I get it. You know, same thing with the comedy store. Same thing with what you're doing here. It was that part of it. I get it. Um Greg Barnes probably one of the most underappreciated talents in the country. But you know what's I've known that dude for thirty years.

He's a funny motherfucker and he's been funny forever. You know it's so funny that you said underappreciated because you know, when you you know comedians that put the work in and whatever. It's a phrase that people use underrated, but then you gotta ask who rated it. You didn't use those words, you said underappreciated. Yeah. Bye. I don't know.

He's not underrated by comics. He's underappreciated by audience members for whatever reason. I think it's a social media thing. I just think he doesn't have a big presence on social media for whatever reason. He's a solid, solid fucking comic though. Always has And a solid guy. And a good dude. But that's another thing. This is the area that we in right now. And it's like, and you notice it's m even more so now, the most talented people aren't getting a shot.

if you don't know how to evolve. Well, it's not even just that, because like look at Dave Chappelle, not Dave Chappelle, excuse me, Dave Vattel. Dave Vital I think is one of the funniest dudes who's ever lived. Ever. Ever. One of the best comics ever in the history of comedy. And mostly does clubs and does like theaters and stuff like that. He should be sold out arenas all across the country, but he does not promote himself.

He's not into social media. But I'm not specials. I don't think I think a tale would be petrified. Not that he couldn't do it and it was prop remember with the show he had, what was that? The late night show. That was before anybody was doing it. Yeah. The late night show he'd go to bars and stuff like that. Uhhuh. Insomniac. Yeah, insomnia. This is before everybody was doing a ring. I don't think that some people they they like

I think he's always gonna make millions of dollars touring or whatever. But I think his comfort zone is like he's a c not a club act, but he's a club comic. I think the best thing for him he ever wants to be Is in front of 250 to 500 people. Well he's awesome on that, but he does like when Burt does arenas, he does arenas and he murders an arena. I think the the real thing with him is that he's just focused on his craft only.

and the props that he gets from other comedians on podcasts and things along those lines is what really fuels his popularity and then when people go to see him just word of mouth. Do you think some people might be afraid of a certain level of fame that they don't want to have. There is that. Like he he carries a flip phone with him all the time. He has an iPhone that he likes

Doors away and sometimes he uses it. But when you text him, he texts you on a doot doot doot do where you gotta press four times to get an extra. Well he doesn't want to be distracted. He's in the Epstein files. Yo, you gotta have a distracted. You need a burner phone. If you heavily in the Epstein Files, he's only in the Epstein Files because he was on a lineup that Epstein was going to go see at the cellar. I think Dave would tell.

Louis J. Gomez is on that too. I think David Tayl is like I think Dave Tail's ultimate happiness. Is being on the floor. Shut your fucking phone off, man. Put that shit on silent. Just put it on silent. Do you know how to do that? Put it on do not disturb. Okay, you popular motherfucker. My opinion, David Till, his comfort zone is fucking just being as incognito as he tries to be.

It's just like, oh, I came over this but I don't know anybody that turns over material. There's certain comics you look at Joe and you like, God damn, this motherfucker's constantly trying. Yeah, always like When I work with Dave. Dion Cole is another guy. When I watch Deion Cole does like At the Hollywood Improv, I think maybe three times a week, he just have a Monday night and he just use it as a workout, right? Me, when I go into a spot, I'm trying to beat the fuck I'm trying to beat it up.

So sometimes I get distracted on what I'm really there for that's work out new material. There's a such an the there's a different level where you just like, you know what, I could deal with the silence. I could deal with something not working. And when I watch people like him. It's another comedian in LA by the name of um Malik S that doesn't have all that notoriety like that. But when I see him, I'm like, damn, every time I see this.

He's worked on some new shit and has the same passion. Everybody doesn't have that. That's why David Taylor will always give other comics something to like try to achieve'cause he like you ain't gonna see him doing the same shit. It's always a flip. And that's what makes him who he is and that's why he gets so respected by something. Well he's he's only focused on his crap.

Whereas some people are really focused on social media and promotions and they have a guy that films them doing a bunch of wild things and edits with music and I've never seen so many comedians have full out production crews with them. Right. On an intro. I know. On stage. They think that that's what they need. You know, they think that's what they need to separate them. And it does get them attention.

But what it takes away. It it it does draw some focus away from what you're trying to do, which is work on your shit and come up with new stuff. Where a tell doesn't have any of that. But with that said, it takes away, but then it also lets you know who the special people are. Right now, fucking my goddamn um Got that services my pool and shit say he's got a H he's got a special coming out. I don't know who doesn't have a special coming out.

And the thing about it is like nail Joe, you know it. Specials aren't if you really look at it, specials aren't special anymore. It's a weird word, right? It's it's I got a new special. Like no other art form calls it a special Like if someone like Taylor Swift puts out a concert video, it's a video of her performance. You know, a a musician puts out a a video, it's that. It's like for a comic, th we got a weird word.

Special. You know what special is now? What when you get excited about special if you if people still do that? It's who's putting it out. It's special people that do it. It's special people like um the Sebastian, he's doing You know what I'm saying? Fucking Tom does a special. It's special people where you know it's special. And a lot of them now is just people that's doing forty-five minutes worth of comments.

No beginning, no middle, no end, no point of view. You don't know anything about'em. It's just like the same way they do photo dumps, it's just like joke dumps. Right. But I I just say, and I'm not people say Dave Chappelle's But play. But one thing I could say, however you look at the Dave Chappelle's a what? No, I'm Dave Chappelle's butt plug. I'm going back to that's what people you know, they un You gotta stop listening to what other people say. Joe. I'm segueing into a story.

Is it about Jamie wearing a Fonzi jacket? He's got him in all colors. It's got him in all colors. He's got a red, white and blue one. You know, and like people He took it off before the show. People get so critical, but at certain point People evolve. People that so you know'em a certain way, but then you talk about a person has a thirty five, forty year career. Like people

Well, this last special so and so did, it wasn't that funny. But how often how long are you gonna just be like rip roaring funny? Some people have a position where when they talk people listen. And I look at I use Dave as an example. If you look at all this special, 20 years from now, right, you have a Netflix and chill day. If you play all the special that Dave ever did, you would know exactly what was going on in the world at that time.

You know what I mean? Right. You know what's going on. Some people put out singles, they got one or two jokes, and some people pull out put pull put out out.

He's he's one of those people. Sebastian is another one and you look at like you see how his comedy is volved. People get older, they have different perspective on life and that's what you have to fucking ex ac accept him for. But we don't we don't do that. Right. And another thing, I don't know If this is prevalent in your community, and when I say that you community is a lot of people

My community, man, it's just so much dumb beef. And I've it's only one white be white beef I've ever known about and that's yours. Mine? Yes. What do you mean? The beef that you had with a I don't even know. With Ben Cia? Yeah, years ago. Oh well that was the same thing like with cat. Like some shit just has to be exposed. That was a real problem, man. You weren't around the store back then, but it was a real problem.

Where he had that special or that show brother on Comedy Central after Dave left, which he was basically doing his version of Dave's sketches. And he was Do you think it was his version of Dave's sketches like the one when he dressed like the white guy and had white paint on his face and wore the white wig? It was basically the same character that Dave.

Yeah, but if you look at the history of sketch comedy, I don't think Dave was the first person to ever paint to dress himself up to look like it was right afterwards. Right after the same slot. Anything That came after Chappelle show, they would have compared to Dave was saying it. Yeah. Dave never talked shit about nobody. Dave was saying it. Dave doesn't talk shit about nobody. Right.

It was but that was the m that was only one of the problems. The real problem was he would l sit in the back room and watch open mic nights and take their shit. Like when they would flash the light when he was in the room so comics wouldn't do material. They would start doing crowd work.

So why didn't he get exposed before that? Why did it just come because nobody had the balls to do it. And then he had to burn it. Because he was famous at the time and he was doing w and look it it cost me. I got banned from the store, I lost my agent, and I was famous. I I was on Fear Factor, I was rich. I d there was a I had a lot going for me where I could stick my neck.

But you came back stronger. I give another example like the same situation with Dave and Comedy Central and shit. As much as he went through that, he took a twelve year hiatus or whatever you want to say. Right. He just disappeared. I remember when w I was hearing stories about Dave doing shows where he would set up a a speaker in Seattle in the park and just start doing stand up and people were like, What the fuck? And for no money.

People would just show up and he would just do street performances. But you know was what was kinda where he got the film. You you've heard of a comment, I'm pretty sure of it, Charlie Barnett. Yeah, we played Charlie Barnett on the show. I knew Charlie. Charlie was like if you ever thought you were funny

Whatever, go this is what the art of only people I've ever known and got certain levels of success with that uh Charlie Barnett, Michael Collier, when he used to be Venus Beach. Right. But people don't understand how but Charlie Barnett would like To go to a park, go to center of Washington Square Park. And gotta gather around a bunch of people in the street. Not only that, you gotta hold their attention for one joke. Right.

You gotta get them involved, blah blah blah blah. Yeah. And you build this audience up and then it's really for one j A lot of people don't know that Charlie got Saturday Night Live but he couldn't read. Yeah. Just nu med inspiration från Brooklyn och världens godaste börjare. Med keddar, piclade rödlök och en legendär. Substitute. Levera direkt.

He couldn't and that's what Gate opened up the door. And and but but he was so gangster like when they wouldn't give him spots because you know he was probably a bit to deal with. he would go to the Boston Comic Club and yell in there, Don't go in there! I'm doing my show in five minutes The whole fucking club.

That's how much power he had. But then sometimes that we become victims of our own vices and everything and destroy us more than anything. That's why when people talk shit about like they oh Kevin Kevin Hart didn't get out the mud. It's you got funny, but you know Funny isn't everything. SK, you're funny. That's nice. Oh, so good that you got talent. But more importantly, it's your work ethics, and how do you take your God-given talent and your passion and turn it into money?

You know, you into music and everything, you probably could name a million saxophonists or whatever that didn't get to do that you could be like, well listen to this shit but for some reason they didn't have the business part and and and all that together. And I'm going back, I'm probably talking to circles now, but this what upsets me the most about

uh my folks or whatever, these people that go on these platforms and talk shit about people. There was a comedian that was talking shit about Martin Lawrence, right? Well, I saw Martin Lawrence and Martin Lawrence in the casino, he's really It's not that funny. I'm like this motherfucker, he's Martin Lawrence. Well they didn't know him in the nineties. I used to have to follow Martin Lawrence. It no, if you just know Martin Lawrence period, that's enough. Richard Pryor before he passed away.

When he was in a wheelchair, damn near rolled him out on the stage, sold out audiences. I followed him for six weeks at the comedy store when he was like that. Certain people, Joe, I look at it in this business, are made people. How dare you talk shit about this motherfucker? That's a good way to put it. He's a made man. Another thing, Joe. A legend. You know, in this business.

You can have a career, right? But you have certain times where you just ruled. You had three years. Martin Lawrence, film star. uh movie star, comedy star. He had one period of time for five or seven years when it was just Martin everywhere.

How dare you, as a person gets older, and whether he has a good bad a night or a bad night, how are you to judge and you ain't doing shit. How are you to judge a motherfucker that when I was coming up, Joe, every fucking black comic in the business wanted an audition. Everybody wanted to be hustle man. Everybody wanted to just get two or three minutes on Martin's show because they knew what that dude that would do their career. So you judge a motherfucker.

Years down the road, right? Where they basically when Martin goes out, guess what? Martin not doing no tour saying I'm doing 45 minutes whatever. He's like, Y'all wanna see me? Guess what? Y'all gonna see this? You gonna see this person. I'm putting people on. How dare you even have come out your fucking mouth and talk shit about

How dare you talk shit about motherfuckers that talk shit about Kevin Hart? How dare you talk shit about a motherfucker that was rocking with a dude, Nate, Nate Smith, RIP passed away? I remember when Kevin Hart was the one in the motherfuckers doing those comment calls.

All right, all right, I'm doing emiss e email list one per sept. I remember when fucking Cameron Hart had fucking twenty thousand people on Instagram. No, on Twitter, and at a radio, he was like, yo, radio station, yo, D, this is a problem. I seen a hard. I see him not just come to fucking New York and do the black rooms. I'm doing the black rooms. I'm doing the white rooms. I'm doing all this shit. How dare you? I'll just say this and I'll answer this. It ain't no beef or nothing.

Cat Williams said this is what Kat Williams said about Kevin Hart. I find it very strange that you just come from New York and then you have a TV show and a movie show and how does that happen? You were in New York. I'll tell you how it happened. You're on the biggest showcase in comedy. And you know what that is? JFL. Just for last. Kevin Hart was a product of that. Monique was a product of that. Dave Chappelle was a product of that. No.

Kevin Hart wasn't pounding the streets in LA, but he happened to be on a showcase. When you yell with back in the day. You do it, JFL, it was motherfuckers leaving there that probably have five hundred dollars in the bank leaving with a quarter million dollar development deal just to do nothing. That's the error it was. I remember So just because you weren't in LA doesn't mean you wasn't you wasn't beating the paper.

And I don't care. In LA, you got LA and New York. Nobody as a stand up comic grinds as hard as a comic comes from New York opposed. And the reason why LA don't have that many states. LA don't have that many stages. They used to tell you all the time as a stand up comic. If you if you're trying to be an actor, whatever, go to LA. If you want to be a great stand up comic,

bang it out in New York. And this was this was the rule back in the day, Joe. Let Hollywood call you. You just don't go to LA to sleep on somebody's couch. Some people had that story, but it was like you crying.

And back then Everybody's got their own path, darn it. Everybody You can do whatever the fuck you want. It's just work on your act. That's the point that I'm making. Yeah. It's just everybody's got their own path. The the real problem in this conversation is what I said earlier. It's worrying about what other people think. The more you spend time worrying about what other people think, the less you're worrying about what you're doing.

You west you're thinking about what you're actually trying to achieve. And I listen to what you're saying and I don't listen to what you're saying. And the reason why I say that every time I go into this rabbit hole or whatever, in it's the echo. It's like a A uh uh a Rogan angel right here and is whispering, don't read the comments. Yeah, but I'm right. But I s I'm I'm stopping. But this is another thing I didn't and I'm what I didn't know.

Is that white comedians actually have beef with each other? I did not know or at least it's not uh you don't hear about it. It's rare. It's more rare. And the ones who have beef are usually failures. They're usually people that aren't doing well. Okay. I'm exposing the industry right now. I have an example so And this was interesting. I was at the comedy.

Oh, you tell me this. This is so fucking funny to me, son. About two months ago, right? I'm good friends with Bill Burr. You know, we did we had um rich bitch tour with Charlie Murphy, me, Bill Burr, you And I know uh Mark Marin, right? I don't know. What I found out is I didn't know Mark Marin the way white people know Mark Marin, right? So I know Mark Marin. Like when I see Mark Marin, I was like, That's the guy.

That guy that was one of the alternative comedy favorites. Mark Marin's special. So when I see Mark Marin, I have a certain level of respect, like, oh that's So I was doing Annie Letterman's show for what Anna Annie Wood or whatever, right? And I love that girl. Um, and I'm in a dream. I forget who sponsored this week, but it was incredible.

the jokes, Bill is right there, and then Marcus over by the side of the door. And I'm cracking jokes with Bill and everything. And I felt something did nobody was really laughing at my jokes, right? Then all of a sudden a whole fucking argument. And it was like It was white argument because it was so nice. They were so gentlemen to each other. It was a whole bunch of Oh yeah, but you'll never do my podcast. It was like podcast beast. I'm right in the middle. I don't even know.

I didn't even know that they had beef like this, but they were so gentle about it. But I'll tell you the difference between white beef and black beef, I never felt that I was going to get shot. Yo, I felt so safe. Yo, if anything, I thought it'd be like lawsuits the next morning, defamation of character.

Slander, but I never knew that it was fucking Caucasian and on Caucasian beef like that. But this is an example. And it was entertaining. This is an example. Mark Marin was doing really well at one point in time in his career and now he's not. So Mark Marin had the number one podcast, and after a while his podcast wasn't even in the top two hundred. It dropped off. Bill Burr, his career is Right. Mark's not. M and Mark finds reasons to criticize other people that are doing much better than

And he focuses on that because he thinks he should be getting more than he deserves. But do you think that's going back to being a provocatory? He knows if he talked this shit, no, I think it's going back to being bitter and jealous and thinking about other people instead of thinking about himself and why people don't want to go see him anymore. He was upset when we left the comedy store because we took the crowds away.

And it's like, hey, you were on the fucking marquee too, man. Right. You they're not coming to see you. And the reason why they're not coming to see you is because you're not doing well. And your podcast was in the top. It was number one. And when it was at number one, by the way, this is what I always say about Mark Marin, he was great. Mark Marin was fun to hang out with when he was killing it. Right. Because he was happy.

Because he was getting validation because he had the number one podcast. We were friends. Like I did his podcast, he did mine. We had a good time. I'd hug him when I see him. We had gone back and forth many times with having beef with each other. His problem was when everybody else started doing really good and he started dropping.

Right. That's what happened. Why this is what I don't understand. Why can't people understand that you have a moment? Like I was talking Because he's a s fucking narcissist and he wants the moment to always be around him. He wants it to always be about him and when other people are doing better than him, he wants to talk shit about

And that's where Bill had a problem with it. You think being a narcissist in this field is a bad thing? I for some reason I think that kinda fuels you to be the person that you are, to be determined to do and not give a fuck about what nobody thinks. Well having self respect and having an ego where you care about what you put out, yes, that's a good thing.

But making it all about you and not being able to appreciate other people's work is crazy because other people doing well can be fuel for you to be inspired and do better yourself.

And that's a positive thing. Right. And if these people are your friends and you love them and you care about them, you should be happy that they're killing it. And if you're not killing it anymore, you should try to figure out why. Because it's not like the door's not open. It's not like you're not getting on stage. It's not like you're not putting out specials.

You should probably figure out why your podcast dropped from number one to not even in the top two hundred anymore without anything happening. You didn't get arrested. There was no scandal. There was nothing crazy. You should try to figure that out. And he doesn't do that because he's instead bitter. Bitter and jealous. He's always been like that. I don't know. It's a story about John Stewart. Mm-hmm. And Andrew Schultz came on the podcast and told the story about John Stewart and Mary.

Marron confronted John Stewart with John Stewart, got some television show, he called him a fucking sellout, he yelled at him all this different shit. John Stewart left the show and they hired Marin to do the same show. Yeah. The same show that he was calling John Stewart for being a seller. So how did you go from that to okay For you to have one of the biggest podcasts, at some point in your career, you had to be likable or you think people just wanted to do the show because of the back.

The thing that killed Marin's podcast, my personal opinion, no hate, is that he has this rant at the beginning of his podcast that's not in I don't think it's good. And he w the rant was long and he would just ramble about himself, was very self obsessed, and I just don't think it was good. And I think that was part of the problem.

It's also the problem was how he interviewed people. He had very confrontational interview style, specifically with some comedians that he felt like were below him or that he could pick on. You would think that that style would work in this day and age with uncomfortable. They want to like you man. They want you to be a good person. People want train

They want train wrecks for fifteen second or thirty minute uh th thirty second in Instagram clips. They don't want train wrecks to be their primary thing that they're listening to when they're in traffic on the way.

But the people that host these podcasts now like I think people go on these podcasts now and like this. Oh, this is gonna be clickbait. We're gonna go viral. Yeah, but that's they're not that talented. That's why they're doing it is because that's their only m method of getting attention. If they were entertaining and interesting and fascinating, then their podcast would be about that.

You know what It's all in what you're trying to focus on. What I try to focus on on my podcast is who do I want to talk to? I never have someone on and go, Oh, this would be great, it'd be very controversial, people will fucking hate'em, it'll be crazy, they'll say wild shit. I never do that. My podcast is only about who do I want to talk to.

That's why I have a lot of people on that aren't even remotely famous. Because they're interesting. Right. I find them interesting. I find with the book they wrote interesting, the documentary they made interesting. I want to know something. Do you think that there's gonna be a a shift? Do you think that These salacious interviews, these interviews with the provokter, you think that

Okay. That's my key. I think about it. I w I would say this. You know what's funny about what you said? That I was with Dave a while ago and he echoed the exact same thing and I was having this conversation with him. He said, D, I don't even think about that shit.

There's other things to think about. This is I've I've said this too many times. If people have heard this before, I'm sorry. Think of your focus and your attention like a number. Think of you have like a hundred points in a day to spend.

If you spend thirty of those points thinking about haters or thirty percent of those thinking about bitter people, thirty percent thinking about other people that are doing better than you, that's thirty percent that you robbed from the hundred percent that you have to focus on your life. I have things to do, man. I have a family, I have friends, I have loved ones, I have interests, I have hobbies. I have to do that.

comedy and podcasts and the UFC and all these different things that I like to do and I think about those things. I don't think about negative, stupid things with people that have bitter, angry minds that are concentrating on other people's success and trying to tear them down all the time.

Because they're trying to tear them down all the time'cause they compare themselves to them and they don't like how they stack up. They don't like the fact that that person's doing better. They don't like the fact that person's more successful. So they try to take things either out of context or they try to misrepresent who that person is, they try to change public perception of that person, to try to

drag that person down and it's transparent. The reason why it doesn't work is because people inherently know what you're trying to do. It might get people oh there's beef. Oh there's beef. Those are simple minded people that you're always gonna attract. But you're not gonna change people's opinions of things. It's it's a trick. It's a trap that you're playing on your It's a waste of your precious resources.

My time I spend on things that I think are interesting or beneficial or things that excite my curiosity. And I think that is the way I like to live my life. Now if you like to live your life constantly engaged in beefs and being filled with anxiety and stress and you wanna do that, okay. But those are bitter fucking people. I don't wanna be a bitter person. In another life could you have been a therapist? Uh well, I majored in psychology.

For the brief amount of time that I was in college. That was what I was interested in. But it was I was doing that because I was fighting at the time and I was trying to figure out how to manage my mind. So I was trying to figure out the inner workings of the human psyche. Do you think I know this is I'm not Do you think... Your success

made you a m a more calm person to not give a fuck? Well, it certainly helps, right? You don't have to give a fuck if you have enough money that you could just like disappear off into the sunset and never have to worry about money. 'Cause a lot of people are always worried about money and so you're always constantly in this state of anxiety trying to get more.

That helps. But it's also it's like there's other things in life. I concentrate on my loved ones. I concentrate on my friends. I concentrate on things I enjoy doing, on fun. This this life is short. You and I are fifty eight years old. We're more than halfway dead. Why would you spend time concentrating on people you don't like? Like there's one thing if someone's wronging you. It's one thing if you find out.

You have a business partner who's been stealing money. Or you have someone who's uh lying about you. Dane Cook. His own brother stole from me. Yeah, it's very good. Very interesting. And I'm at a place right now. I was um I was with John Ham, right? San Francisco. And I had just did a show with Dave. And it was interesting. He said something to me. He's in the back and he's with his wife and we're kicking it. He used to come out to summer camp and everything, hang out with his.

And I don't even say we like super friends, but we have mutual respect for each other. And it was interesting'cause we're in the green room. And this is after I just slayed this audience or whatever, right? And and I'm feeling good. And he said, Donna's he said, what is it that you really He said, what is it that you want? I said, what kind of question? He said, no, I mean what is it what is it TV? Is it TV show? Is it movies? I was like, John, I'm doing exactly what I want to do.

For me to be able to wake up not have to work. Call my own shots, make a fair wage, take care of my families, enjoy my family. And it's me connecting with a God given talent. Anything else is a bonus. I don't look at it like I need the private jet and everything. Certain things you'd be like, you know what that would be nice, but I just look at what this life has given me and I'm appreciative of

I know so many people that of my uh class, whatever, that aren't doing nearly as well as I am. Or even the ones that aren't, that don't mean that they're happy. You know what I'm saying? So when he asked my question, I didn't think any bad of what I was like this. I don't get Caught up on looking at somebody, they got this, they got that. I like this. Am I happy? Am I comfortable? Do I get to do what I want? So whether I tell people all this all the time.

Whether I get another film opportunity, whether I get another T V show or whatever or any of that, I'm living what some people's dreams are. Yes. And it's not my dream. It's my reality. Yes. And I also had to realize this is so easy for us to do. You can be so connected with somebody. And even with um my situation, with my connection with Dave.

I'm a huge fan of Dave. He's given me great opportunities and everything. But at some point in my life, I had to say, you can't be caught up in somebody else's dream so much that you forget your reality. And my real my reality is whether I'm alongside of him or what I'm doing, I gotta continue to be Donnell Rollins. I gotta continue to support my family, I gotta continue to thing do things.

that I do and it's so easy. You it's so easy for me to get caught up like, I'm rolling with Dave. We on the jets. We doing this type of shit. But then I'll lose focus on who I am. And and I realize for me and my career continues to go when I know how to make that separation.

I do have a Yeah, but the thing is, even when you're caught up with Dave, you still love him and you don't hate him at all. You're not you're not jealous of him. Not at all. You might get caught up in the wave because you're hanging out with one of the greatest comics that's ever lived, but it doesn't mean

That it's a negative. And you know another thing, let me add to that. And I'm not blowing my own horn or whatever. Like you say, one of the greatest comedians ever lived, right? If a person had a conversation with Dave Chappelle, people can say whatever I'm worrying about, people think. If you ask Dave, Who is in his top five comedians? My name's gonna come up. So as much as people they always talk about they they always try to pin me like blah blah this and everything, I respect the fact that.

I r he respects me, I respect him. When we work together, we push each other. We make each other whatever people want to say, we make each other better. And what other people understand is that like he's like truly my friend. You know what I mean? It's not like I just work with a show, he's my friend. And even when I some of my fondest memories especially when I come here.

is when we was doing those fucking shows. Yeah. When we was doing shit nobody was doing. When we were doing those lockdown shows. Ooh, that was fun. Yo, it was that was wild times. It was it was it's all it was already we already have a community. We all have mutual respect for each other. But the thing that made that so special wasn't nobody doing this shit. Right. That's what made it and it really one thing about the pandemic, it made you appreciate life.

A lot more than before the pandemic. Yeah, it made you appreciate freedom. Freedom. Ability to do shows. Yeah Remember we did those shows outside and everybody was wearing a mask. It was so stupid. But we it did but we it And they all got tested too? We got they was I I was I had so much fun during the pandemic. I was almost embarrassed to show the pictures I wanted to show.

Faceless shit. Yo, no we would take pictures and people was like this, look at him. He could kill my grandmother. I'm like, all right, first of all, you did it, Dave did it. I was like, People like this, oh it must be nice to have rich friends to have testing machines. I was like, You're absolutely right.

It is. It's beautiful. It is the most amazing shit ever. Dave Chappelle raped my nose for two summers in a row. When it when we were doing the shows in the in the cornfields and shit. But this what people don't understand. He took the opportunity that village of Yellow Springs, he made it as safe as it could be. Like any place we would go, hotel staff, everybody had an opportunity to get everybody had an opportunity to get tested. And I remember this was very interesting.

When the bubble we did one this with Bob Sagitt, R.I.P. We were doing these shows and I think that at and before Bob passed away when he came out to Yellow Springs and was hanging out with Dave and us and everything, it gave him some incentive to want to go back on the road and do it. He was just got really excited about doing it again. We we we did like fifty five shows. The summer was over. The run was clear. We had no positives or anything. Dave extended the show.

Another week and that week was when the bubble popped, right? And now everybody's like freak. These same women that was people was coming out there when they was getting flown out and Jets, they weren't getting trafficked, but Dave created an environment. He went his friends around. They was we was going to restaurants. We will have the whole spot. We was just doing all this stuff. Nobody was thinking about the possible consequences of that.

And I remember this one girl was like, oh my God, I don't even know why I'm here. Then I looked at Dave. I was like, yo, man, damn, we almost made it, man, through. He was like, Donnell, it's gonna be okay. He said, you gotta realize this is the reason why we test. When we first got our first positive

Had we not been testing, it could have been crazy. And we got at first positive because dudes went to do somebody else's podcast and they didn't test. Remember that? I remember that. That was a day. I remember that because it w I remember that uh scene uh it was so funny. Yeah, that was here. Yeah. And um it was like

I I something was different because we had one positive and the you remember that backstage used to be packed out, right? It started getting lower and lower, right? It was basically like me, sife sounds, somebody else was in the green room, right? And then Big J came. That's one of my friends, good friends, Big Jake came back and he had this look on his face like it's over, right? He came in there and I looked, I said

Like, yep. Right. And another thing Dave could have did, this is why I respect his character, he could have been, at that time, he could have just been in the mass, went on stage, went back. He canceled the show, but the funniest shit, it's a whole at stub. I need you to go out there and tell people that the show is canceled, right? I say, you don't need me to do that shit, nigga. Because the minute I it's one thing, if I go out there, people gonna be like, show start.

Right. And as a comedian, I'm not gonna not tell jokes. And then I'm like, Oh yeah, Dave not gonna show up. But that was The crazy thing about that, everybody at the Line Hotel, they was making jokes, Joe. They call it Corona uh COVID row. 'Cause we had like the whole flo h had the whole floor floor locked down, right? And everybody in our team got it.

But it felt like a old school chicken pock party. You know what I'm saying? It's like we got it. We got it. When I tell you, man, what we did, like, e everything was like, okay, make sure you had your vitamins and all that type of shit. But the beauty of it was We was like, you know, people was testing out like eight or nine days, right? So we thought we was gonna leave. After a while, we was like, I was like, wait a minute, the next run was gonna be in ten days.

And for some reason everybody went back to being negative. We closed it, did more shows and we got the fuck. But it was a beautiful time, man. It was a beautiful time. It was a fun time. It was fun to be alive. Yep. It was a fun time. But it was crazy. And then we did that. What that fucking joint we did. Tacoma. Mm-hmm. The Superdome. That was wild. Twenty seven thousand twenty five thousand. Whatever it was. We broke the Tacoma Dome record. I never been in a place

Well the laughter was so hard it felt like helicopters was hard to go. It was crazy. It was crazy. It was crazy. This is what I respect about what you guys did. You got people saying they they doing arenas and shit, but normally But that was pre COVID, brother. It was pre COVID? Yeah, that was pre COVID. But what I was before everything popped off. I what I will say about a real arena show, you got the arena show where a quarter of the venue is being

Use for stage and never right. So it ain't the true capacity. Right. But the shows you motherfuckers was doing, it was It was in the round. Right. Well the wildest thing was walking through the crowd to get to the stage. That was a crazy You've you've you've experienced this shit of that walk from from the UFC shit. Man, I'm so grateful for your f you guys' friendship and everything. And for me, it was so special for me because

I didn't sell a ticket. Nobody else, no opener sell. You and Dave sold those tickets, right? But the best feeling for me, Joe, was when I go out and DJ Trauma be like, you seen him on HBO's The Wire. You seen him on BMF, whatever. But simple line. But you fell in love with Ashley Larry Chappelle Show and them people fucking go crazy. I don't give a fuck if you'd ever been in a fist fight in your life when you come through them tunnels.

You you doing this shit right here. You feel like Tyson. Like, just give me a robe. Just give me a towel. I'm about to go beat these motherfuckers up. And every Show we had there was no room for being okay. You had to be on your game every time. Yeah. It was a good time. Well that was uh when all that COVID shit went down with me when CNN turned my face green. That was because of a Nashville show that we were doing that we had to cancel. That's what that was.

Yeah, we were supposed to do a show that weekend and I got covet the previous week and I was doing an arena with Tony in Florida. Uhhuh. And I got covet in Florida and then I made that video on like a Tuesday or a Wednesday. It was like the third day after I got COVID where I got over it and I was like, you know, I feel fine, but we have to cancel the shows this weekend. Right. And that's when all the shit went down'cause I took Ivermagna.

That was up what that was that was those reading shows. Yeah, they was like, Oh, he has the answer, everything. Yo, if you don't have the answer, at least he's fucking trying to find it. It's so interesting. I was already better. And they they t turned my face green on CNN. Like we got to see how crazy the media really is.

Like they didn't want to hear nothing but you have to take this vaccine And you have to do that. And if you didn't take this vaccine you're a part of the problem. It's sort that I just don't un as as devastating as that time was. Excuse me. Over now. Is it herd immunity? How is it just like it all made it? It's it's yeah. It's also, you know, everybody who got it, got it. You got uh immunity because of it and then

Also whatever variants are still left they're d significantly diminished. That's how viruses generally, right? Yes. Well that's how viruses generally go. They become more transmissible but less potent over time. Yeah, and that's what happened. I'ma tell you there was a time though, man, I I even said man, maybe it was just something about how people c uh got along with each other. I was like we should do like once a year, just have a week of just lockdown.

Yo, just so you can get it. I mean, I've it makes you appreciate freedom, that's for sure. It made me appreciate nature, bruh. I d I bought a fucking house in Yellow Spring because I was like, you know what, trees, wood I don't know if the streets can handle this, but I became a bird watcher, bruh. I watched bird, I watch birds. You know what that does to my street credit? What? To know the difference between a Cardinal and a Blue Jay? It's not the most listen.

If you can't appreciate nature, that's whatever that's a b bullshit. I didn't here's the thing. I didn't crash out today. Didn't crash I know people think I'm a crash out king. It's not that. Sometimes it I just need to You mean on the show today? Yeah. What did I? No. He definitely accused Jamie of wearing a leather jacket. Jamie did have a leather jacket. He had a leather jacket on, man. And I think he brushed his eyebrows too.

It was everything. I was like, I'd never seen this sexy side of Jamie. He had like a British accent. He was like, I think it won't a book your own shadow. I was like who is eyebrows. I was like, who the fuck is this person, man? It was something different.

We d we definitely went through something that most people would never experience in their life. Nope. And and most previous generations never experienced it. Having a a nationwide, worldwide pandemic that everybody freaked out and we did Not only did we didn't freak out, we did shows, we had a good time, we hung out together.

Those after parties when we go to the line, you had a DJ and we would laugh and laugh. We would laugh till two, three o'clock in the morning. I d you know, I d what the girl I was dating. Girl I was dating a time d she couldn't believe that she was I would be like this. So what do you do? I was like, Well, I was at the line

Kicking it with Dave and Joe. What y'all doing? Just talking and laughing to 3:30 in the morning. And they was like, get the fuck out of here. You was fucking. No, I no, I wasn't. We was just on some brohood shit. It was just we it was really good. And we we also realized how special it was that we could do this while the whole world was locked down. I'm telling you, I was embarrassed to show pictures. My mother would call me, you better be careful out there. I'm like, man.

I'm getting tested. We got tested more than probably anybody in the country and that's the I got tested every day because I was doing podcasts through the whole thing. I did your show doing that one time. Yeah. And then we didn't I sat down before I got the result.

The last time I was here you was like, Did he get the test? I'm like I'm like this, please don't come in here like get this motherfucker outta here. Well we definitely had a couple people that tested positive. We had to get'em out. And I tested positive. But the thing about it, to making those taking those precautions, you could isolate it. You knew where it came and you shut it down. That's one thing. If you're not doing that, it's all over the place.

Just think about it. If if imagine if Jamie would have got COVID then we would have never seen his sexy side now. Jamie got covet. He got covet before anybody. He got covet really early on when there was no vaccine, no treatment, no nothing. He had to take a whole week off. Um maybe that's why he has the attitude that he has Yo Yug and all his own. Well we did the Kanye podcast. You you had COVID that week, right? Yeah. Yeah, he missed the Kanye podcast.

Yeah, but I I'm sorry, Jamie, if you thought I said anything that was kind of disrespectful to your character. No, it wasn't. I'm telling you. That fucking ponytail. I don't know what the fuck he did about it that's it. Like a Steven Seagal ponytail. And not only that, but he put his hair back like this. Mm-hmm. Almost like the like a Diddy party. That's how he started Diddy.

Oiled up? Yeah, oil uh I'm gonna say that'cause I was never mind. I never went to a ditty party. I have a photo, but I never went to a Yeah, it's like I think people are gonna be wiser if something like that happens again. Uh could it ever happen again? I don't know. A hundred percent. Yeah, a hundred percent. There's a lot of people that think they engineered that whole thing. They wanted it to happen. It's the largest transfer of upward transfer of wealth in human history.

So many people. Look at big businesses got made more money. Look what it did to Zoom. Yep. Zoom. I remember Zoom, because um I was I I I had a show in Naples, whatever. I met this doctor that he wanted me to uh be on his podcast.

And I was like, how are we gonna do he said, We can do it by Zoom? This was when it was only like for like business people. It was really like the nerdy thing. Yeah, that's what it used to be. Yeah. It used to be, but the pandemic it blew it up. It was like now Zoom is like that's the best way

You don't want to talk to somebody on the phone, they call you? Oh, I'm on a Zoom right now. It is so like in everybody's household and that j blew up. So many businesses did the same thing. Is anybody using that anymore? Zoom? Yeah. They use it for an excuse not to talk to somebody. Yeah, do they do Zoom podcasts anymore? Do people do Zoom podcasts? I never hear that term. It used to be things like oh we're gonna do it on Zoom. I don't hear that anymore.

Yeah, if they had one one was a clubhouse or whatever, all of these things. Oh yeah, clubhouse was popular. That was a big one where people were essentially doing podcasts. Like anybody could just like chime in and talk shit. Oh yeah, there was a lot of that and a lot of people thought that that was gonna keep going.

Like Clubhouse is gonna be the new thing. I'm like, it's just bad podcasting. And it's and it's what there was only up so many things. That that um that battle, the diverses battles, that they do now and when they have like it's mostly it's been hip hop and R and B. I think it was who was

Swiss Beats and Timblin, I think. They started this thing during the pandemic. It was versus, right? Where you have a artist versus another artist in like a competitive type of situation. They didn't win anything, but it was just entertaining.

And that went from like it was so low level, like people was in front of their computers, it was freezing up and everything, but it was what everybody was doing. Now that's like one of the biggest things now. They did one And Madison Square Gardens like it's a big thing now when you wanna it's just like a competition like you got I think that it had cash money and no limit records, but it's very I don't see no white verses, but it's a popular thing and this started because of

Well so many businesses started during the pandemic'cause a lot of people got laid off so they started their own business. A lot of online businesses started. A lot of people quit their jobs'cause they realize, look, they could just take this shit away from me at any minute. Why am I doing something that I hate when I thought there was security in it? There's no security in it. I'm gonna start my own business. Also, even like you you're an example of um

um uh of what happens when d w you finally realize that um you don't need Hollywood the way it used to be. No. Well we figured that out a long We figured that out when the podcast started kicking off in like the early two thousand ten. I realized that. I was like, this is I don't need T V shows anymore. We figured that out 2013, 2014. And Hollywood is not like

It used to be I'm b I'm very old school guy, but I remember when when I first started, you couldn't make it in this business. You had to be in New York or L. Yep. There was no producers going to if they wasn't going to Toledo, Ohio. There was no big thing. No, not at all. Not a real community. There might have been like a good club that had some like Denver always had like good opening acts. Yeah. Good good good community. It wasn't like a real hub like Austin is.

And that wouldn't have happened if it hadn't been for the pandemic. People wouldn't have moved. They wouldn't have moved. No. And you brought a whole community here. As much as th this place was always big for music or whatever, but I yeah I mean there's no way anybody cannot agree with like what you did and what you made it appealing to a lot of people is that

you could go somewhere else, get a better quality of life. Yeah. And everything. Like Lower cost of living, better quality of life, no traffic, nicer people. Yeah. And no Hollywood bullshit. The problem with the LA is always going to be poisoned by the the idea of going there to become famous.

Right. That whole idea was it was permeated in the culture of LA and that fame was like the number one commodity. But back then it was that was the case. It was the case. But a problem is that's bad for art. That's bad for your ability to produce shit. I mean, you got great comics that came out of LA, but that was in spite of what LA had to offer. Right. It wasn't because

Whereas Austin, like the main reason people come here, first of all is Kill Tony. Because like you said, Kill Tony is one of the rare places where you can be a comic that's been doing comedy three, four years, may even just start now, but you got some talent.

You can have a fucking career. Yeah. Like a real career and it'll launch. Like look, you got Cam Patterson who's on SNL right now. You got all these people like uh William Montgomery, David Lucas. They're they're killing it on the road, selling out everywhere they go. Ari Maddie, this guy I mean they have a real career now. But you know another thing that they don't understand is like this is what I say and I yeah, I use use you as an example.

Whenever you hear about somebody saying that they want to do a podcast, the first thing is certain names like, I want to be Joe Rogan. And I said this before. Nobody wanted to be Joe Rogan fucking 25 years ago. They didn't want to put the work in. They want to see the accolades, the fortune you've built. They see that part, but nobody sees the hard work.

Even what killed Tony, th the fact that during the pandemic when he could have let the whole platform just fall apart like we don't know when we're gonna do it, he dug deeper and figure out a way I'm just gonna continue to do it. Nobody they nobody ever respect

The journey. Right. And if you think about it, Joe, and I'm you probably the same way. Most successful people and I know some very, very wealthy people, right? And when they talk about their career, whatever, they hardly ever talk about the yacht. They ever ever talk about the the fucking mansion they got in Paris. You know they talk about it was just me and my wife and we drove a Toyota, you know, a Toyota Corolla and we was like we was down to our last ten bucks and

She did this. That's the most interesting part of the story for most successful people. And people don't understand that. Right. They only think about where you got to. They want to skip everything. I hear people right now, I wanna be like stand up. I'm like, all right, well No, when I was doing HBO's The Wire, right, this guy I knew I grew up with, he was like, Hit this motherfucker said, Yo D, what's the number to the wire? I wanna call'em. I wanna be on the wire.

Like there's a wire. Hey, is this David Simon? Yeah. I could be Omar. They don't I was like, and guess what? If I knew the number to the wire I'm giving it to you. I'm not giving it to you. I want you to get that busy signal. That's what it's. Nobody ever wants the respected grind and they all everybody wants the rewards of the grind. Everybody. It's just people that are m they're missing They're not getting what it's all about. What's what it's all like Kill Tony's a great example.

I was there in the early days of Kill Tony. When kill when Tony started out in twenty thirteen, there was no one in the There was no one there. It was a small show. I I was doing it back before I was back at the comedy store what I was still banned. So I was doing it from the ice. Right. And he didn't do it thinking it was gonna be the number one show in the world and he was gonna be on Netflix and

He did it because it was fun to do. He loved it. And he wanted to do a great job. And he wanted to make it better every week and he kept doing it and kept getting better at it. It's the same thing with this podcast. This podcast didn't make money for years.

didn't make any money for years. It cost money. But the most successful people are the ones like even with um when I first started doing comedy, right, I never do you have some comedians that go out there like, I wanna do comedy, I wanna get the money.

I want to get pussy off of it. Right. When I first started, I never the only thing I wanted to do, Joe, I wanted to be good. I was like this. If I'm good, all those other things that are rewards to that, they will happen. But I had to be good first.

And here's the thing that I think especially when you have these like social media comedians or whatever, the thing that the the the interesting thing about it it's kind of Hard to tell somebody to work on their craft when they're getting all the perks of what the craft can present them at an early

early stage. It's hard to tell somebody that's only been doing it for two years, that's making fifty thousand or a hundred thousand dollars a month off of monetizing something, they're like this, you need to get better. Hello. Well they don't have to. Like do whatever the fuck you want to do. If you just wanna do that, do that. And also some of them are gonna figure it out anyway. Some of them are gonna figure out I'm I'm not getting better. I'll get better. I mean work hard.

Right. There's gonna be people that don't figure things out no matter what you do in this life. There's gonna be a bunch of people that have a distorted perception of what success is all about and what you really want. It's always gonna be that. What do you what do you what is This is an interesting question. What is your definition of success? Happiness. Happiness and doing something that you enjoy doing. And something that's challenging. So what is your definition of happiness?

Friendship, love, Doing something I enjoy doing, doing it well, doing it better all the time, getting better at it. You know, I mean you you're and struggle. You're always gonna have some kind of a struggle. And that struggle hopefully is you trying to be better at the thing that you're doing. You? What gives you this is an interesting question. What gives you the incentive

to always continue to want to perform. What gives you an incentive to always want to do Joe Rogan and Friends when you could just sit back and fucking just do it? It's fun. It's first of all the green room on Tuesday and Wednesday nights at the mothership is some of the funniest times I've ever had in my fucking life. It's so fun. We have so much fun there. There's Ron White there and Shane Gillis and Tony and

It's fun. It's I mean it's community. Enjoy our times. I gotta come to Tuesday. What are you doing tomorrow? Come on. What do you got going on tomorrow in it? Where are you headed back to Ohio? No, I'm going to uh LA. Do you have a show? I got a son. Oh okay. Well that's different. That's more important. But I can just give him some Roblox money if you all right.

He's gonna be like Wednesday. I'll give you some Roblox money. He'll be cool. Let me tell you I might because Cam, I didn't I wish I would have even thought about it before. But I might I might'cause I haven't had that experience. Oh, calm down then. If you can. If your son's cool with it, do it. If not, d there's always another look at another thing. This is another thing about me being an older dad. Like my son is really the age, he could be my grandson.

I don't have time to do all those s instill vials and morals and shit. I'm like this. Will candy shut this motherfucker up? Yeah, I'm like, yo, let's go to McDonalds or whatever. But yeah, I'm gonna see I would definitely consider that. Consider it. Yeah. But that's what I like. I mean, I'm just enjoying my life and I like to do things that I find that are interesting and challenging.

And I like to have conversations with interesting people. And I like the fact that people enjoy it still. You know when I first met you or netw you know, and I already I already knew you had the ultimate platform, right? And I never this is me and I don't know if this is what happened, but I was like, I never want to be like, hey Joe Rogan, I'm down here Roms from so-and-so. And the only respect I ever wanted to get from my peers and people that were doing it was like from the state.

You know, I always like I was like if we ever make the connection I wanted to be off of yo, this motherfucker's funny first. Not just like, Hey, you know, I rock with Dave and then I think that that was what happened. I used to spend time in it and I never never did even to this day, I don't

I just look at like the res I just want people you can respect me as a man and respect my character, whatever, but at the end of the day, what I love to do the most is stand up. I want you to be like, yo, this motherfucker puts it to work. And then we can build everything off of that. That's what the respect I want off I I want the respect.

From what I put in the work I put in. If people can acknowledge that then that's what builds my relationship with you. It's built my relationships with all of these all these guys. Bird t all of all of these all of these people that I fuck with now, it ain't because other than anything other than like, yo, he's a dope comic and then you can find out that I'm a good dude after that. Yeah. It's that and then after that it's gotta be like, are you

Right. Is is he fun to hang out with? Right. Yeah. Barry Kes said that one time. He said that in one of his podcasts. It's one of the things that separate like who goes on the road or so and so is if you're a good hand. Yeah. Oh my god, that's everything. I don't know how many people quote berry catch, but I want to share this story. You might be the only one. You said probably the only one. Big but

I you said something earlier about undeniable, right? Yeah. I remember when I first moved from DC and I moved it to New York, I was doing the Chitlin circuit, the black circuit. I was popular in the black community, whatever. I was like, I don't think this is gonna be enough. I wanna do the mainstream stuff. I wanna do these other things, right? And Barry Katz, um Dave used to uh host this comedy night, it's a place called El Flamingo's in in D C in in New York.

And Barry Katz saw me there one day. He was like I don't think I've ever seen A comedian that go in front of an audience that were ready to rip someone's head

and you could hear silence. You know, that's the control I had with the audience. So we built sort of a respect for each other. And um I remember one time I was at the comedy cellar and he was there and I knew that he was back then, whatever you want to say about him, nobody had a roster big Back then in like 97 or whatever, he had everybody.

He I the list goes on and on. So and I and I knew he was a fan of mine and I said, Barry man, I'm trying to work these clubs, these mainstream clubs, but I'm having a hard time uh getting in passing these clubs. I was like, could you make a phone call? This is what you do. I'll probably do the worst. Everybody does the better better better Barry Cat. You gotta do Barry like this. Yes, okay, I'll try it again. He was like This is what you do and slow it down. He said, Rip.

Right. He said. Yeah, be undeniable. That's what he said. He said just be he said, I'm not taught and I tell this is advice I give people. They say why need so and so I was like I'm not talking about have one good set and you've had four bad sets. I'm talking about the consistency where every time somebody sees you go on that stage, you blow on the roof off.

And once you do that, you the managers are gonna come to you, they're gonna hear about it. That's the one of the things that a lot of people try to skip. They like, oh, how was your set? It was okay, but I I can't talk to you unless you just straight just destroying shit everywhere. Then you got others you have to work on. Yeah. And there's also a lot of people that are very delusional about how well they're doing. Right. Because they want so much. They

So they think they should have already had this, they should have already had that. Why don't I have a sitcom? Why don't I have a this? And I always said this is another thing, even with these lineups, you do these shows, whatever, always say that you have time to have a defining moment. If you're in the room, right, and for for some reason the room is on fire, the club is on fire, everybody is ripping. You probably won't stand out as much as that night when everybody was bombed.

You've seen rooms where everybody come back sitting and say that crowd was weird, but then you got one motherfucker back there like this. I don't give a fuck what y'all doing. Right. I'm going to elevate this those are the times when you gotta fucking stand up. Yeah, well we used to see that all the time at the store, like late night at the store in particular. Where like you know,'cause the way the store works, the show starts at eight PM and it goes on till two A

And there's a lot of people that get there at eight A eight PM that are like, you know, p tourists that are in town and they sit there for the whole fucking show. They came to see the comedy store. Yeah. So by the time twelve thirty rolls around, fuck, they've seen everything. And so you get this lull period. And then someone will go up and just tear that fucking place apart. When fifty people when I used to I was so naive when I first started that um

We used to have open mics, right? And the open mic list would be like twenty five people, right? And they they fucking the guy that was running, they hated me so much because I used to talk shit in the audience and everything. And they would keep bumping me down, right? And my dumbass never got mad, right. I was like this, yeah, they want me to headline I took that as like yes. I didn't think about audience fatigue or anything. Oh boy. I just was like, Yeah. And it would be and but

I'm telling you, I think that was one of the things that made me strong because I was like I I'd I'm gonna do what the next person I've uh this one story. This is one of if you actually Dave Chappelle, one of the dopest sets he's ever. I just w happen to be a part of that. It was at the Hollywood Bowl years ago, about three years ago.

You know, Jeff Will. Is that when he got attacked? No, no, that wasn't that. It was like the year before. Oh. You know Jeff Will's Live Nation, right? Sure. So we're doing um Shout out to Jeff. Shout out to Jeff. Um we're doing uh a show. You know, Hollywood boats, eighteen thousand people, right? So show starts at seven o'clock, right? Jeff comes up. Like Donnie, I got some good news and bad news. He said, What? He said, We're gonna start on time. It's only but seven hundred people.

Right. Now you imagine what seven hundred people look like in front of uh eighteen thousand place, right? He said there's only seven hundred people out there. He said, Well, I can let you start now or we can wait ten minutes. I was like, Jeff

It's not like seventeen thousand people gonna show up in ten minutes. I say, give me the mic now. Big ass stage. I jump off the stage, right? Dave and all these people in the green room, I jump off the stage, I go into the audience. I'm literally going to each person. In the theater. And I'll get you a picture and you can add to this. I'm going to each person. Why didn't they wait for the people to show up and sit down?

Uh that's what I wanted to say, but they was just like the show has to continue. I don't allow that. I never allow that. I tell you nothing. They've tried to do that before with me and they say we're gonna have to pay more money if the show goes over, I go then the show goes over and we pay more money. Get the fuck out of here. But for for me

It was a moment because any other comedian, not any other, most people are like this. Oh, was nobody out there? So many excuses. I jumped off stage. I was like, no, I'm I can't be up here. Look like I'm ba about to be auctioned off. I go in the audience, I'm going to each joint, right?

Fucking killing it 700 people in front of 18,000. That's a great way to start a show. But listen, and I'm like this, and here's the fucked up thing about this. Nobody gonna know about it'cause your fucking phones are locked up, right? Yo, it was a moment. Dave, uh uh, Dave, everybody for the green room came out, right?

And Dave told me to this day, he said, if I was doing uh uh a class on stand up comedy, he said I would use this as an example of like owning up to it. And it was so crazy, man, it was like and it it was just F it was crazy. I remember another time I was working with uh I think I was working with you. It was me, you and Dave, and I think it was a time we was doing an outdoor theater and uh that was supposed to be a break.

It was supposed to be me, it was supposed to be I think you, Tony or whatever or something. Then it was a break, and then it was gonna be me and Dave, but uh it was still daytime. Right? Where was this? I can't remember the place. It was still did Jeff he came up to me. He was I was like, I already know. I'm gonna have to go on there. And I literally had to perform until it started getting dark. Oh, I remember this. Saying to myself, I was like, Ain't no way.

I was like this, ain't no way they giving Rogan and it wasn't a shitty ones, people just hadn't come yet. Right. I was like, I knew I was gonna even suggest, I was like, nah, we had these two halves, right?

And it was and I that was another example of okay, you gotta do what you gotta do. And I had to go up there. It wasn't the spot that I expected or whatever, but I was like this, you know, f for the sake of the show and I'm always like, What do we need to do to support this? And I had to we had to bring it down. We had to buy some more time and then by the time you got on stage Everybody was seated. It was dark. It was dark.

I can't remember exactly what it was California. That was California. That shit was fun. But I d tell people all the time and I do slight mental I was like, Man, it's certain times where you gotta do what the next person It's not gonna do. You can't bitch about shit. And at the end of the day, you gotta be a fuck I know when I used to do these shows with Dave, I used to fucking get the shittiest time like

What if oh we're at thirty percent capacity that I'm like, man, half of these motherfuckers not even gonna see me. But I looked at it like this. Well, the people that's gonna see me, they're gonna remember it, you know? And you just gotta keep on keep on going. That's a good attitude. Yep. Yeah. That's healthy. See, I feel like this very productive. This conversation's gonna bode well with my mental health. Yeah, I think so too. And I th Everything except the lies you told about Jamie.

You know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna start taking fucking videos. I wish I would have had it. Yeah, I wish he did it too. And the thing about it You would see like, oh man, he didn't even have a leather jacket on that. And think and he wasn't even talking to me. He was talking to me like, what is it I have walked up to you and I'm not sure.

Guess why? Why didn't I know? I never know that I never knew. I was like, who is this fake ass Jamie ass motherfucker? And it's like it was almost like remember when uh family battles, uh Urkel and then Stefan? It was two characters. They had the they had the the like the geeky, Urkel, and then his alter ego, whatever, he was just this cool ass. He was the same person with his cool. What happened to that dude? Urkel. Yeah. Oh he's spinning up. What's that song?

Is he? He was. And his weed is really good. He's got a weed? Urkel purple? He used that as a filter. But also I spent a lot of time with him because he would come out to the cornfields or whatever. So I've been seeing him. He's got a talk show. Didn't he get jacked? Isn't he like is that him? Yeah. I heard Urkel got in great shape. Yeah, but he's a good guy, man. But I he's another one of those celebrities I know that want to do comedy but don't have the heart to do it.

Always I was like, he said, no, no, no, don't do that. But he's a he's a he's a great guy. It's hard to start out already famous. That's one of the things that I really respected about Charlie. Charlie was already famous when he was starting. Do you know who started Charlie? Who? Me. Did you? And this is how it happened. When we were doing the Chappelle show

And it it's safe to say like nobody was really making money. You know in a contract, when you in your contract, if your show just blows up, you gotta stick to whatever you was getting for the contract. Right. So we weren't making a lot of money doing the show. But I was like this, we're too popular right now. And at that time it was me and Charlie. We was it was Dave, me and Charlie, like the biggest money.

So this was um Mike Berkowitz, who's Dave who's head of um um William Morris right now, right? He was a young Asian at the time, right? He was coming up. And I was like I told Jason, my manager at the time job, Jason's time. I said man we gotta do a tour or something. I was like, yo, that everybody's talking about I'm rich bitch. Let's do I'm Rich Bitch tour, right? It's a good idea. I said me and Charlie can At the time that was only a two man show. Charlie didn't have no time or anything.

And I was like, you know what? I wanna do it. Because it was my idea. I said I want to do me, Charlie. I said we need another comedian. At the time, Bill Burr was not making a lot of money doing stand-up. And I'm not disrespecting him, but he you everybody knew he was gonna blow.

But that was early on in the career and all Bill had to do was have a situation like he had in Philly. Everybody knew he was gonna blow. Right. So I said, why don't we do a tour? Me, Charlie, and Bill Bird. That should have been Charlie had never did stand up and I used to he used to always crack jokes and shit. I was like, Yeah, you talk a lot of shit But once that microphone, your ass you a bitch ass motherfucker. So Charlie was a guy like don't threaten him with anything, right?

So this one they had they had the uh Laugh Factory in New York for Times Square, right? One of my friends was doing the show there. I was like, Charlie, yo, if we're gonna do this tour, you gotta at least have ten He could have at that time Charlie was so hot. He people would have just yelled out Charlie Buffy for five minutes. He was the MC. We just needed his face to be there. And this was It would be Charlie, Charlie, Bill Burr, and myself.

And Charlie had no jokes, right? And like you said, I was like, maybe I don't know if you guys understand how it is to be selling out as an open micer. Crazy. And he had to get his voice and I know and I was like, Why did he never do this? But um part of it was because he probably never wanted to be compared to his brother. Right. He never wanted to be able to like uh

That's his brother and he had his own style or whatever. So we did this fucking tour for like like a a year and then I saw him start to grow. Sometimes he took some hits, but he became Charlie Murphy. He became like I'm not my brother. I'm a storyteller. He stuck to that. And the one of the things that I would say that I really appreciate about what uh the Chappelle Show gave to Charlie Murphy, when Charlie Murphy passed away, Joe, nobody said Eddie Murphy's brother died.

They said Charlie Murphy Pet. So if that show didn't do and when I tell you one of the most stand-up original guys, all of those stories like was it true? It was he told that was just part of the story. Me, Dave me, Charlie, and Bill built a relationship. We did something that was spectacular then. But

Bill Burr used to fuck with us. And I'm going to tell you the one of the things he would do. We would be on the road and we all we used to do was argue and fight and just fuck with each other one time. And Bill Burr, he did some fucking. I don't want to call this racism. But whatever. It it was very Bostonian, okay. But what he did, I didn't know two years later. Bill Bird would when we meet up, he would buy a fucking like twelve piece of Popeye's chicken, right?

And he knew me and Charlie would devour that chicken and we would be in a sleep coma right the next fifteen minutes. And it was almost like he gave us sleeping pills and shit. He would get us a chick, we be knocked out, and then he

That time that was such a great time because you saw people's careers being bored. Like Bill was already on the trajectory to be great. You know what I'm saying? But at that time and this is when I say The stories that you remember, I'm pretty sure Bill still remembers like this was the first time that he was making regular good money every week. You know how it is for be a fucking Headliner that's doing eight hundred dollars.

a weekend or or they give you a deal two thousand dollars and then you get a five hundred dollar bonus when you sell or give away three hundred tickets. And you're not working every weekend. And you're not working every weekend and then you got club bonus. Like your bonus is supposed to be at three hundred. And they'd be like, uh couldn't give you that bonus you were at two ninety eight. You know, I'll be like, motherfucker.

And they lied too. They lied to it. They lie about how many tickets you sold. They lied to and then they wonder why when guys become big and everything, they don't want to come back. Oh, I remember that. There's a couple club owners that they can go eat shit. And I tell people all the time when everybody talks about this, I was like, yo, try this. Try doing a fucking tour for a year and a half. And every night you had to come behind Bill Burr. I had no days on.

And I knew when I had a day off it wasn't I wasn't hitting on all cylinders. 'Cause that's when they had used to have comment cards, right? The comic cards like I don't know why the b the white boy didn't go last, right? But that always that just that's that's That always kept me in shape. You know what I'm saying? It's like this you don't Bill and bit'cause Bill was one of those comics. Bill was like Bill would come, Bill did

And he was one of the only white dudes w would do the fucking most grimiest spots ever. And I'm pretty sure he was always But I think that that helped build his character. I think that was probably what made him be in a position where he go to Philly like

Yo, fuck ya. I just did Donnell's fucking hood club in Brooklyn. If I could handle that, I can handle it. Well that rant in Philly was cause he was doing the Opie and Anthony tour. So when Opie and Anthony their crowd were brutal. Yeah They was Kill Tonies before Till Tonies was that they had sort of fed into that crowd. They they fostered that crowd.

They called them the pests. But then even going back to what I was saying, in this career, sometimes you have situations that have a defining moment. And that was one of those things I'm pretty sure everybody went on before Bill was throwing a towel in and he was like fuck. But what happened was Dama Herrera went on.

And you know, Domerare's a legend. How's he doing man? He's hurting. Yeah, he's got is is he's hurting. He's got whatever that neurological condition is, it's not good. Right. I mean I wanna speak out of turn about his His health, but it's not good. Um but Dom they they booed Dom. They were just r rough. They wanted you to fail.

And Bill went out and go, Fuck you You know, and he just went into this crazy You know who else had a moment like that? Who? Bernie Mack. Did he? Oh, on Def Jam. Yeah. I ain't afraid of you motherfuckers. You know how that was born? Why? And that night everybody was taking licks, right? And uh there was another c it was a comic from D C named Butch Burns, right? He was very popular in D C. Butch Burns went on stage and bombed so bad. Motherfuckers throwing shit. There was nothing

that Martin could do. You know how sometimes you try and then you like just whoop, you're on your own. Right. Right? It's like whoop de doo. Right. So Butch Burns had bombed. The rumors going crazy. Martin could do anything. Next on deck was fucking uh Bernie Mack. Bernie Mac saw uh Butch Burns.

And he told him he was like, Listen man, hold your head up, man. He said, The sun might not shine on your day, but it's get it you'll have another opportunity to shine. And the reason he didn't plan on I ain't scared you motherfucker. And then um Bernie had a situation to go through because Bernie was on Def Jam before he dressed in a suit and everything. He was looking like a f uh Chicago player.

But he didn't think that he connected with a young audience like that. So if you even watch the way he was dressed from the previous show to the next one. Yeah. The next one, he had more of a hip outfit, had graffiti on the jeans. He was he was dressed up for that part of it. No idea. I ain't skiddy, mother. He did have the um energy that he was gonna do, the connection he was gonna have with the DJ, right? But what made it so explosive is that he said, fuck ya.

He said he did his joke and didn't that's why you hear like I why was he saying I ain't scared of you motherfuckers? Right. It was because of the other shit. Yeah. He said I ain't scared of you motherfuckers. Gig it boom boom boom but he say what he say um he did and it was such the most simple stock jokes but the rhythm was so powerful so powerful so powerful the rhythm that he had

and the fact that you knew that something was special would happen. That's why that fucking audience looked was so fucking charged up because he said, Fuck ya I saw Bernie live once at the Comedy Connection at Faniu Hall in Boston.

I remember that club. He was on fire. I saw him so powerful. First time I saw him at uh Comedy Connection at Greenbelt, I used to do this club and it was a couple of people that come through and I was like, these It was him another person that was like that was George Waller.

Oh yeah. You know another person that was like that? Rich Voss. Oh yeah. Yo, George Wallace, first off, I knew George Wallace was on the next level. I've never seen nobody go to the comedy club and the deal he had was 100% of the door. Everything. You just get your drinks and your chicken wings hundred percent door. They had to give it to. Um and and George Wallace, he was old George Wallace always been an older dude, right? Somebody said, you know, his thing is your mama jokes, right?

Somebody had did a mama joke and motherfucker George Wallace ripped off about thirty mama jokes. I felt so bad for him. And then Rich Voss fucking Rich Voss fucked me up because I'd never seen a white comedian perform at this club. It was a black club. Rich Voss came in here, he had a ponytail similar to Jamie's, right? He had Jerry curls. No, Rich Voss had a ponytail. It's the same one that Jamie was wearing when I right? It was Rich Voss's, right?

And I saw French Falls go up there and destroy this crowd. Dude don't know what's gonna And he fucking killed that shit. I I had you know when we talk about joke stealing, right? I've never I stole one joke in my life and I apologize to Rich Falls. I was doing a show and none of my jokes were. I tried. everything I try everything and I said to myself what joke have you heard? I didn't mean to steal, right? I borrowed it, okay? I said what one joke you know that fuck will

kill his orders. And Rich Foster used to have this joke. He said, You know what they say, once you go back you never go back He said, Yeah,'cause your father won't let you back in the house, right? I got him laughing, I got him back on track and then I had to call Voss. I said, Man, I'm so sorry. I said it's gonna get back to you, but I stole the joke. He was like, No, no, no problem with it. Well at least he admitted it. Yeah, I didn't. Alright, I think we we accomplished a lot.

I think it was good for you. Stay out of the comments. I'm gonna stay out of the comments. Remember that podcast we did with Reza? No, don't do that. They still talk shit to me. I grabbed you at the end of the podcast and said it was great. Why you not don't read the comments. Don't read Exactly. That was a long time ago. I've been giving you that advice for a long time. You did tell me don't but but but the part of that story people don't know is that

I did my podcast early. I hadn't seen my son like two and a half weeks. I was on the road and I I I came straight there, straight to the podcast to do it, right? And then um Ye I was like you was like yo you wanna hang out? This is what people don't know. This is the side you don't tell.

You invited me. You invited me. I did invite you. You did invite. You said you thought it would be fun. You said that Riza's gonna come, right? Well, we were having a good time. We had did a podcast together. We were hanging out and I said, Are you going anywhere? You wanna I'm doing a podcast with Riza next. You wanna hop on?

I thought it would be fun. I thought it would be fun, but it was. It was fun. I would like to tell my side of the story. We already did. We've talked this we've done this many times. Okay. I was gonna leave and I was like, I was like, man, fuck Wu Tang man. I'm gonna sum up. Right. And I'm leaving out and as soon as I get ready to get my car. Uh, the riser comes out and this motherfucker said, What's up, Ashy Larry? And I said, Fuck my son, I'm fucking with the Wu Tang, right?

And I didn't, but it was a good time. It was fun. But d but people don't understand this. Hãy subscribe cho kênh La La School Để không bỏ lỡ những video hấp dẫn I said, well, he said, I'm gonna do these jokes. They're gonna be he was trying to pitch jokes like he was on the jokes. And I was like, please don't do that. I was like, please don't do that. And we sat down and of course it went. I had a good time. But people was like,

You just ruined it. You ruined it for the business. You just ruined it. But shout out to U. It was fun. It was a good time. It was fun. And thanks for whenever I call you let me I can't even tell people anything other than yes, I'm on tour, go to Donair Rollins.com, get tour.

All right. And here's my here's my shit. A joke could be too soon, but it never could be too soon for a funny observation. And that's what you're gonna get when you come to my show. All right. Thank you, sir. Appreciate you, brother.