#2454 - Robert Malone, MD

Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! The Joe Rogan experience.

Yeah. It's been somewhere in the neighborhood close to five years. Yeah. A lot of water into the bridge. Your appearance on this show, boy, did that create a lot of problems. Yeah. Um yeah, I I didn't expect you ever had me on again. I thought maybe Spotify. Hell no. No, you were right.

Like this is a victory dance. Like it turned out that all your warnings and all the things that you were saying about the problems turned out to be true. Well thanks. And I I know you've said that on a few shows. Every time you do somebody sends me

Did the right thing. What was it like for you? First of all, uh you know, they were trying to label you a quack and a kook and someone didn't know what they're talking about. It didn't I don't think it worked with everybody. I mean it it worked with people that weren't paying attention.

But uh anybody that really paid attention to your background said, No, this guy's very credible. I mean, y don't you have like nine patents on MRNA vaccine technology? Yeah, on the M RNA, yeah, and a total of about fifty Yeah. And you also took the vaccine and had a horrible adverse event. A series of'em, yeah. Yeah. That that at the time it was so early. That was when the National Guard was still doing it and that was

And um the I was embarrassed uh by to have these experiences. Um and I was embarrassed when I got COVID in early twenty twenty. Um, you know, looking back there was so much so much fear, um, so much uh Anger and anxiety and everything wrapped around all of this. Mhm. And in retrospect it was you know, it was promoted but it was also Very organic. Uh you know, it was it was f you know, looking back, being honest about it, it was a frightening time. And um

And yeah, I I you know, I had those experiences. Uh my uh doc who was a cardiologist was like, Why were you so stupid to take this? Uh Your doctor said that too. In twenty twenty one? Um she was twenty twenty or twenty what twenty it was twenty twenty one. Yeah. Um I was going to a kind of a a cardiologist that had left um traditional medical practice at uh UVA and the association. hospitals and I was going to her for uh hormone replacement.

and uh bioidentical hormone replacement therapy and um she was monitoring a lot of things and and um yeah that was her response. Why did you do this? Of course I've had that question a thousand times since What was your perspective on the vaccine before?

To be honest, uh I was a little I was amazed Uh I was amazed that the that the claims that the problems that I encountered when I had been working on it had been solved. Uh I didn't see how that could be the case, but I knew that a huge amount of money had been thrown at it, so it was possible. What were the problems? Uh in my hands it was inflammation primarily. It was also It was in in the monkey models that we tested it was incredible.

It didn't give long um levels long prolonged levels of expression. It was hard to make. It was kind of back then it was uh a l almost a little bit of witchcraft. You'd drop I mean for me as a graduate student when I was doing It was incredibly scary because it was a couple thousand dollars worth of reagents in a little tiny tube. And you know, back in the late eighties that was real money. And uh

And it didn't always work, the reaction. So, you know, it was it was a little bit of a wing in a prayer. Uh but then um as I started working with with animal models and with the different formulations, I could come up with a variety of different compounds and formulations that worked pretty well in silk. But not so well in his life. And uh I spent a lot of time trying to do that, optimize that and what I ended up with is just seeing

It it really caused you know, I'm sorry to use medical jargon. I'm that's kind of where I'm from, so that's the language of the biggest. No, it's probably better if you it it caused a lot of inflammation.

you know, white cell infiltrates, really aggressive white cell infiltrates in my hands in both mice and monkeys. And I'd abandon it as as something that just you know, was was useful in in research, in particularly in cell culture, but I just didn't see it uh maturing as a as an efficient delivery strategy with uh low risk, you know, acceptable. in animals. And that also became the experience in uh at this company that I had first joined where a lot of the original patents were filed.

Uh they they abandoned the RNA because they couldn't make uh and uh they turned largely to this strange discovery that we had that was a negative control, that the RNA alone or DNA alone was actually more effective in animal models. than it was uh to use the positively charged factor Now people call them n lipid nanoplexes. It was just positively charged fats of various types that were mixed that bind the DNA or the RNA and and kind of spontaneously assemble.

And a lot of work went into trying to improve that. We did what we could in the nineties when I was at Davis to try to advance that technology.

and develop new lipids and we had a number of them get patented and they were marketed by Promeg and others. But uh could never solve the uh delivery in vivo But this group up in University of British Columbia that had been banging away at this kind of related liposome tech for years and years, even before our you know, I had known any uh, were the ones that s kind of came up with the magic sauce that uh

is used essentially by both the Moderna and Pfizer products. And that's the stuff that we've all been um exposed to.

So w when you were first experimenting you said the it couldn't be localized. So meaning that in the injection site it was supposed to be there and then your body was supposed to produce antibodies because of the injection. Yeah, and it goes all over. But it went all over the body. But the assertion, what they were telling you when you got the shot initially was that it was not going to leave the injection site. Yeah, and I and I called m uh my colleagues uh

um at University of British Columbia that I had known back in the day. Uh as I was Um grappling with whether or not to take the product because I had to travel. And as you recall back then, forget international travel if you weren't jabbed. Even national travel. Yeah. You couldn't get on an airplane.

Yeah, so so I called uh Uh Peter and and had a chat with him and he said that they had solved the problems of the distribution that now when you injected it it would stay local, it would go to the draining lymph nodes. uh it was much more effective and that uh they didn't have those safety issues anymore. So that was one of the reasons why I decided to go ahead. Brooklyn och världens godaste börjare. Med keddar, piclad rödlök och en legendarisk skorsovangsår.

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But uh what what was claimed was that the incorporation of polyethylene glycol, uh, so this is, you know, you would know that as anti- Uh but it's in the liposome world it's long been known as a way f to create what are known as stealth liposition.

that circulate in your body for a long period of time and make it so that these particles don't get inactivated by extracellular proteins and the liver And so uh he was using uh the the gentleman in particular is named Peter Cullis, by the way, he is the one that should have got the Nobel Prize. as I'm concerned, uh and um got slided in the pick. But Peter Cullis said that he had uh they had experimented with a lot of different structures

of the fat particles, chemical structures. So they came up with some that had these properties of staying localized and then built the formulations in ways that were similar to what I'd done with cholesterol and other things.

But then also added these uh shorter polyethylene glycol molecules attached with a really short organic you could call it fat or or gasoline like molecule, uh that that put the peg into the liposome particle and but it in a way that once it got into the body it would fall off. And so this is w you know, some people have the sensation as I did with my second jab of, you know, you get it and then suddenly you feel tingling in the end of your fingers or things like that. That may be the pick.

But it was those advances in the components because this e these are self assembling particles uh that were used that um Peter uh and his group Peter McCullough? Uh no. Peter Cullas. Uh P-I-E-T-E. uh from UBC and his group um built these product. uh in this technology. And that was they they had it available uh um the their choice uh'cause they created companies for this. They I mean a ton of money. Uh because they licensed it not exclusively.

to BioNTech and Moderna. And uh that that's still kind of the core tech that makes this particular category proper And So this was enough to convince you that they had solved that problem. Yeah, I took his word local. I mean he's he's an extremely uh Experienced, knowledgeable uh liposome formulation expert, quite senior. He's older than me, by another decade at least, and been doing this forever. Uh and he asserted that he had clin he had solved the problem.

And I believed him. I needed to travel international And also there was this buzz going around at the time. that uh if you had long covet, which at the you know, at the time if you think back to then Uh there was a whole cloud over even using the words long COVID. That the idea that you would have these long lasting effects from getting the infection. was controversial and not really accepted, but partially promoted and there was a narrative that was, you know, in retrospect actively promoted.

that if you took the vaccines and you and y if you had this symptom of this chronic malaise uh and uh loss of stamina. I mean you're a guy that's it's important to you to be physically fit. For me it's been important to be physically fit all my life because I've always been a farmer. And a carpenter and and worked with my hands and my body. And I have farm chores. I still have farm chores every day. And I couldn't do that.

I couldn't walk up hills. I just had lost my stamina, I'd lost my pulmonary function and it wasn't getting better. And nobody you know, nobody knew anything about this, what was causing it, whether it was even real, but I was experiencing Uh you know, there's there's a whole cluster of people who say there's no virus and there's certainly not any long COVID, but I I experienced it. So did you think that if you took the jab and you had this symptom, then it would kick your immune system up

you get more of a response to the spike antigen, and that would allow you to clear these symptoms of long COVID. That turns out, now we have data in just fairly recently, that in fact the opposite

So this this idea of long COVID, so you got long COVID from the actual infection of COVID nineteen before the jab? Yeah, I got infected in uh late very end of February twenty twenty. I was in Boston at a uh Conference on drug discovery, computational drug discovery, high throughput stuff, um very high tech, MIT, and staying in a a little firehouse that had been converted to a hotel right across the street from the biotech company where And I came home sick as well.

I thought that I had uh influenza B because that was the what the narrative was that was circulating at the time. And uh I was just I remember laying in bed just feeling sick. uh hard to breathe. And my wife came in, it's just been on the TV. Uh um COVID is circulating right there in Boston where you Uh so So that was that was pretty early on and it hit me pretty hard. So that would have been um the uh Wuhan one variant.

And then there was a couple of of uh genetic changes that occurred apparently in Boston around. So w how long did this affect you, this this long COVID? No, I was I was sick until I took the jab. Um, you know, just not not having stamina, just feeling How many months was that? I I had never even thought about it.

Yeah. And did you try anything else to mitigate those symptoms? Yeah, I did. So uh um what my whole story, you know, the whole bunch of what I did back then that never gets discussed and that's But uh I you know, the kickoff was that I got this call from Wuhan, I think it was for Muhan, from this guy that uh used to be CIA.

named Michael Callahan, uh, who I'd worked with in the past, and had told me he told me with the call that there was this virus in Wuhan, this coronavirus, that looked like it was gonna be And I oughta pay attention to it and I oughta get a team wound up to try to address this. So what I'd done because this is coming off of what I did in Zeke. You know, I'm a vaccinologist at core. Uh but um developing a vaccine in the face of an outbreak.

historically has taken a decade. And uh it just isn't a practical way to address an emergent infectious disease. And I had become convinced that the best way to do that was through repurpose drug. So after I get this call I put the team together um building on the technology that I'd been working with at USAMRID during C for uh rapid identification of uh

Of repurposed drugs uh to address uh, you know, new crisis. And uh this time we'd really taken a computational So I used some tech out of UC San Francisco to recreate one of the key proteins in uh in SARS CoV Two based on the sequence that got published from Wuhan in d January eleventh, I think. and uh of twenty twenty. And uh um We started doing what's called computational docking of very, very large uh virtual libraries using uh Amazon AWS and and high throughput parallel.

And came up with a list of compounds and uh then kind of screen those against uh problems, adverse events, um that kind of stuff. Uh more coffee, good. Uh I would, thank you. And um So I had this list I had I had this list of compounds and then I was sick as a dog. And you know, what you get trained in if you do clinical research is docs don't um experiment on themselves. That's like breaking the But I'm lying there so sick that I'm just like

You know, I'd I already at that point I'd spent a lot of time already looking into the virus and what it was causing and what people were saying it was causing. And how old were you at the time? Um let's see, I'm uh sixty-six now. So what's it sixty, sixty one? Yeah. So you were in a high risk group? Yeah, for sure. And and I was obese. I don't know if you noticed, but I've dropped about forty to fifty pounds since we last met.

So uh So I started taking some of those compounds, and one of them was uh this drug that is normally taken for stomach acid called phematic. And uh I got an immediate response with that. And uh so I also tried uh isocorcetin. That didn't seem to make so much of an impact. But I experimented on myself, and the phemotidine at higher doses um now has been verified to be helpful.

And it was one of the first things out of the box that people started taking um even prophylactically before we knew about uh ivermectin and other things. And then that went on. I mean there's a whole thread here. We could go on for an hour about about what was done with the repurposed drugs. I was working closely with Defense Hurt Reduction Agency um and uh um I managed to capture a few hundred million dollars uh and direct that towards uh drug repurposing, um adaptive clinical trials.

et cetera. And uh the thing that I zoomed in on through a collaboration with a doc up in uh uh Minnesota. Was the combination of Famididine, another anti inflammatory called silicoxid? And then the thing that really kicked it in high gear was the forbidden horse medicine, uh, ivermectin. And uh we got I managed to working with DOD, got um over a hundred million dollars, uh set up a contract, uh

It got managed by SAIC and uh we were gonna go after that using uh very cutting-edge clinical trial um design. And uh And remember this is the DOD. We submitted initial drug applications for using this combination of the same. Well known licensed drugs. And the FDA just dug in, um, again and again rejected the application So long what they said was we were gonna have to do cell culture tests to demonstrate the antiviral activity of ivermectin before they would allow us to proceed.

Uh and so in the end the DOD caved and they dropped the ivermectin component and proceeded with the uh famididine and silicoxid, which showed some effect. Aaron Ross Powell Why were they so uh hesitant or what was the result?

Uh your your guess is as good as mine. I really people think that I have visibility into the FDA and yeah I've met with them and I have a background in regulatory affairs, but the policy decisions that were made during COVID uh instill to this day. are perplexing. Oh it was it was uh like a high sin. Yeah. They they they deployed uh Uh what do we want to call it? Propaganda, psychological warfare, nudge, everything. Just like they did after you and I had our little discussion.

Um it was it was stunning. I mean uh the like after we had our chat, uh Um I don't know if you remember you asked me about what is this about uh mass formation psychosis. Yeah. And it I mean the use the term broke the internet is overused. It broke the internet. Yeah. And because it perfectly described what was happening.

It couldn't possibly describe what was happening, even though every single person that heard it knew damn well it did. But it was forbidden. I mean this was forbidden because people who didn't hear our first discussion, please explain. So since then I've had uh a shitstorm come at me for using the term psychosis coupled with mass formation. I you can't you know

The grief you think you got a lot of grief from Spotify and from uh Spotify was actually great. No grief from them. It was from like Neil Young and Joni Mitchell and other artists. So you probab then you probably don't know the whole background. Um that's we should that's fun to dive into because it relates to the psychological warfare domain that now I've become a pseudo expert.

Um just in trying to understand what the hell I experienced and what's going on. So so Matthias Desmond, who's a friend, um at University of Gambit. who by the way has been pretty well railroaded in his unit. not allowed to teach his own book on the psychological basis of totalitarianism, where which is where that book had not come out.

but it was uh the mass formation hypothesis is what was the kind of core of that book that's now published and and widely regarded. Uh so So Matthias uh came Matthias is somebody who uh as a PhD, uh full professor, had long taught uh twentieth century uh Uh psychology work relating to totalitarianism and thought, uh that goes back to Freud and beyond really all the way back to Plato and the allegory of the case.

And in particular, there was a number of of philosophers in the twentieth century associated with uh trying to make sense of Nazi Germany. and what had happened to the German people and really all over the world, uh, but particularly relating to the Germans. And Matthias had been teaching this on a regular basis.

And the way he tells the story, he had an epiphany one day that, oh my God, the thing that I've been teaching, I'm living. We're experiencing it. We're experiencing this process of the formation of mass.

Um and the the you could call it crowd psychology. So mass formation, it's kind of awkward or mass formation psychosis, which is what the term was that was used in the initial podcast that he gave out, so that's why I use that term. Uh but You know, it's not in the the the attack was that it's not in the Diagnostics and Statistical Manual uh for the American Psychiatric Association, so therefore it doesn't exist. Uh but you know, all the attacks.

Uh but um the core of it is that when people, to make it simple, become disassociated from society and from each other, they become extremely vulnerable to manipulation of a variety of And a leader can come into that environment. and uh offer let's to simplify it, um offer a solution to their pain because being isolated, socially isolated, is associated with pain. We as human beings have a need to connect with others.

It's a fundamental aspect of being human. It's what you do. I mean you connect. That's w that's the essence of the Joe Rogan experience, I think. Um so we need to connect with others and in in certain situations where people are threatened.

Um and in particular in the modern era where we have all of these things that drive us into isolation, most notably are electronic We become disassociated from our community and when that happens we have a strong need to become associated with community and a and a leader can come into that environment and basically say, I have the solution to your pain. Your psychological.

And uh y what will happen is a strange phenomenon where people will, rather than building social networks, let's say horizontally, to those around them, they'll attach to this strong lead. And they'll get that they'll get fulfillment for that need to belong by this attach attachment to that leader and following the edicts of that leader. And this leads to this phenomena that gives rise, you know, enables totalitarianism, but uh gives rise to this whole cluster of things that Mestius described.

uh that um you know he he uses the term mass formation. In a way that's kind of an odd artifact of translation, I guess, from the dots. Uh it's an easier way to think of it is uh crowd formation. Um and uh And in his uh examination of the history of what happened in Nazi Germany.

where things r people really went crazy. I mean, mothers were turning their children in. Uh you know, children are being executed on the on you know, consequent to mother's testimony, which is really When you think about it just you know, in a fundamental uh you know, we had all of this uh dear leader kind of stuff, uh the the um linkage of of the self and the soul to this central figure in der deriving a sense of identity and belonging from that.

that went on and and you know there's still uh people from that generation in Germany that um are still caught up in in a lot of that. That's why the German law. Uh and um so that's that's that's the short version when we spoke before I gave a much more technical, precise uh definition of Matthias's uh core thesis.

Uh but um this once this happens then people become very, very easily manipulated. through propaganda and a variety of techniques that now I have a better comprehension of. I mean then I was still just trying to make sense just like all of Uh But now uh it's kind of coalesced into an understanding of of the fact that uh modern psychology has been It's been intentionally weaponized in the context of military activities in the domain that you know, one way to express it, the term is used

kind of term of art in military jargon is fifth generation warfare, or you could call it psychological warfare. And what it distinguishes the present from, say uh Sun Tzu. And you know, ancient propaganda has always been part of warfare and human But uh we haven't had the digital world. We haven't had modern psychology. We haven't had nudge technology. We haven't had all these tools that allow the control of information, thought, perception, feelings, emotions that have become commonplace.

And that, you know, is is and has has you know this this suite of technology and capabilities that we saw deployed in all of were uh built in a kind of a structured way largely by UK and US leadership in the intelligence community. as a weapon of war to counter these uh successful insurgencies that we keep losing wars over. Uh you know, Vietnam being a notable example all the way through Afghanistan.

And uh um so that that's why it was built, uh but then that tech um got deployed by governments against their own citizens. And this was really launched uh in large part uh in the United States by a presidential director from Barack Obama. I'm not making this Uh you can look it up. And by the way the presidential directive is still in place that established the uh

Um nudge technology units of the United States, they're already operating in the UK. And in the UK it's quite advanced. When you look at the UK politics right now and what's going on there with all the censorship and everything, you know, this is no joke. We're we're barreling right to that endpoint, same as Canada has. Uh you know, we're just a little bit behind. And uh there they you know, we have the benefit of the First Amendment in a constitution.

and um you know, often on courts. But uh there they they don't have those obstacles and the government believes in the UK. that it once they have won an election, it's perfectly acceptable to deploy this modern psychology and information control technology on their own population. And I argue that once that Rubicon is crossed The idea of democracy, because the tech is so powerful, becomes completely perverse.

And we got a good hard taste of that during COVID. What what you and I experienced, what you experienced with ivermectin, what you experienced with uh, you know, just talking about your own experience. uh and the blowback that happened after we did that little hit. Uh um is is a super powerful clear case. in understanding this intersection of modern psychology, uh warfare technology, and uh the digital world. uh and and algorithmic control of information, the uh

Creation of digital ev avatars for all of us. The application now in the present of artificial intelligence to custom craft uh messaging uh that gets fed into our digital domains on a regular basis in order to, you know, sell us whatever, uh, but also to shape how we think and uh to control what information we get access to all the time.

Just to give an example, my wife who does a lot of her research for a substance. was talking to me the other day. She she just gave me a couple of examples where uh um Stories that were in corporate media in the United States that weren't listing certain key names or whatever.

Um she said, I just go to the Hindistu Times. Hindisto Times is a great source for all the stuff that we're not allowed to see here in the United States. You're now in a in an environment, in an information environment, where you cannot um uh rely on uh but we all know that. You can't rely on corporate media but the but the the rules, the boundaries that are being set

about information are profound and they're completely distorting our ability to uh process what's happening around us. Can I give you the example of what actually happened? You you said in in our experience with the blowback in Spotify. This is documented by a a report out um from the House about COVID and what happened. And that report only carries just through to the early part of the vaccines and then it stops. They for some reason they didn't really want to go down the road to the vaccine.

They did talk a lot about the um events around uh the, let's say, lab leak hypothesis. Uh which is allowed. You're you're allowed in DC now to talk about that. Finally. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um uh so what was documented? was that uh the the trail of events was that we had our discussion That triggered, and this is gonna sound bizarre, but this is what's documented. That triggered Coca-Cola Corporation.

to complain to the Global Alliance for Responsible Media, which is created by the World Economic Forum. It is one of these global aggregators that controls advertising. The Global Alliance for Responsible Media, which by the way had it dust up with uh Elon Musk and Law And they closed it down as a nonprofit. It still exists in other ways, but as a structure that could be sued by X, it disappeared when he stood up against it.

But Global Alliance for Responsible Media had a socket with Google AdSense, by the way. So they control the advertising ecosystem, which kind of matters to spot. So Coca-Cola complains to Garm saying, This guy Rogan, you gotta shut him down. Okay? You gotta put pressure on Spotify. So Spotify gets the message from Garm that we're gonna we're threatening to pull your advertisers.

Okay. Now uh what happens between that and your experience, I don't know. You know, it's not transparent to me what you experience. Uh yeah, we all remember the um, Laurel Canyon crowd saying they were gonna pull their catalogs, which they didn't actually own, right? That was that was another thing. And then they they went after you uh with this uh mash up of inward uh historic uh events. Um, you know, there was clearly a concerted effort to take out Joe Rogan.

uh much more than to take out Robert Malone. And uh so then the question comes, well why the heck would Coca-Cola Be the socket with the Global Alliance for Responsible one of the biggest advertisers in the world, right? Why'd Coca-Cola give a hooey about what Jogan Rogan said to Robert Malone on, you know, uh New Year's Eve. Uh Coca-Cola is really tight with the CDC. Coca-Cola has funded buildings at the C.

Coca-Cola funds the um CDC Foundation, Foundation for the C D C, as does Bill and Melinda Gates, as done all the major vaccine manufacturers, et cetera, et cetera. The appearance is I can't verify. that C D C acted through its ally, Coca-Cola. Why are they allies? What's Coca-Cola got to do with C D C The angle there is that Coca-Cola wanted the CDC to get uh WHO to not implement restrictions in messaging about sugar.

Mm. Okay. They didn't want those messages. Remember this is at the heart of the inverted food train. The the the old food triangle was the product of Sugar Lobby. I mean the Sugar Lobby is incredibly powerful because this stuff is addictive. I mean it's it's like having the cocaine lobby, right? Um well and you know, that's a interesting uh analogy because of course the history of Coca Cola. Right. Uh but um so sugar's addictive.

Uh the the C D C the Coca Cola didn't want the C D wanted the C D C to influence public health policy to avoid um uh global positions on the risks associated with sugar intake, because it would potentially hurt their market share, wouldn't you know they're a a major globalized company.

So that's that little ecosystem that I just described illustrates what we're dealing with and the many ways that um All of this kind of influence and messaging and signaling happens in this kind of integrated horizontally and vertically ecosystem that we live in.

And one of the things that came out of that, you'll recall. was that you were asked as I recall, you you gave this, you know, I f I've had a hostage video, I think that was a close to a hostage video from you back in the day when you were saying this is what I'm going to do. Uh it was like out on your porch or

Um I remem I was sitting around a campfire in Maui quite literally when somebody said, Oh, did you just see this from Rogan? And uh a matter of fact I was sitting around Gavin De Becker's uh campfire. somebody that you know. And uh so um the compromise was that there would be a little trailer put at the bottom of that episode. And by the way, you probably know that episode for a long time became very hard to find. Uh it was it was basically blacklisted from the search engines, etcetera, etc.

But you it carries and I don't I think it still does that little banner that says, you know, you should go to the CDC if you want the true true about COVID. And you can still find that those kinds of banners popping up all the time on YouTube. If you if you talk about vaccines or COVID vaccines, that will get if if you pass the filters, if if YouTube will allow that to still be up, um because you didn't say something, whatever it is, uh

Then you'll get the little banner. Okay, that banner is pushed out by the nudge units at the CDC. Okay, that is nudge technology. It is all around us all the time, and it's it's basically still uh public policy consequent to the old Obama presidential directive that still hasn't been rescinded.

Uh, you know, I love President Trump. I think he's doing amazing things, I think he's amazingly brave. Uh I just mentioned our friend Gavin de Becker referred to Trump the other day when I saw Gavin in in uh Maui as a once in five hundred year leader. And that's that's not that's not nothing coming from gas. And uh so I'm I'm a big supporter, but the President has still left in place this mechanism that exists uh that directs the Federal Government.

to use nudge technology and related uh what I assert is psychological warfare technology on the American populace. Right. This is from back in what was it? fifteen or something like that. Yeah, it's it's quite early. Um and then you had his you had Obama's subsequent like the notorious speech at Hoover at Stanford. Where he talks about in order to preserve democracy we're going to have basically he says we're gonna have to have censorship. Right. Uh in order to preserve democracy or

Whatever democracy is. For people that don't know what we're talking about, we're relating to the Smith Munt Act? The Smith Munt, everybody p focuses on Smith Munt. Okay. But as I examine Smith Munt, and we did an essay on this in the subject. Um you know, like three. Uh'cause that was the kind of the narrative that was coming out in, let's say, our side of alternative media. Right. And uh

In my examination, Smith Munt's impact is a lot more limited. It has to do with Voice of America and some other things. The broad impact wasn't quite in my opinion what was believed to be of of enabling propaganda domestically. W more specifically, um there is a presidential directly. that nudge technology that established a nudge office.

They they I don't know, it's it's got they've they've gone through various iterations and I'm sorry I don't have the latest version. And it's kind of become decentralized. General Services Administration. There we go. Yeah, it's and it's kind of become it's been like I said, it's been pushed out into a lot of the agencies. Um they don't use that that lexicon because then it's easy to find'em. Right. Okay. They use there's other euphemisms they use.

Uh to describe those kinds of activities, but it's become normalized. The the weaponization of propaganda has become normalized.

Overall behavioral uh interventions or nudges like the ones implemented by OES have been found to be effective in recent psychological science article. Researchers identified several policy areas of interest, example healthcare. President Obama signs an executive order requiring federal agencies to incorporate behavioral insights into their evaluation efforts. That's a nice way of saying use of property.

Yeah, yeah. Okay. And so this this has kind of become thank you so much for for pulling that up. That's super helpful. So um this this is n like I said If I can illustrate, I was on a Great Britain news broadcast about four years ago. Uh at the time when they would you know, I was there was a window time where they would have me on.

And uh but the rules were then that if you were gonna have somebody that was speaking against the government narrative, then you had to have somebody representing the government's interests in the same broad Mm-hmm. So that's uh implemented by basically the UK has an active censorship organization that controls news media.

And uh so I'm on with this guy, Great Britain News, pinstripe, bow tie, you know, it just uh re And um and I'm talking about uh psychological warfare and uh the seventy seventh brigade, which is part of the British Army, which is their uh psychological warfare unit, it's very open uh that that's the case. uh a as is the existence of of uh um a civilian branch that they set up and paid people to do social media in opposition of counter narratives. uh that the government didn't approve of.

I mean now they just under Starmer they just censor you and send you to jail. Uh they they just cut cut cut out the middleman. But back then they were still uh kind of buying civilians. And so I'm talking about And uh that's that the the guy says, yeah, but here in the UK, um our belief is that if the government wins the election they have the right to govern.

And that right to govern includes our ability to use this type of technology and we believe that it's justified to do so. And that when that conversation happened, frankly I hadn't we hadn't launched the book yet. And uh and it just kind of all coalesced in my mind that oh my God, what all these things Matthias's teaching about mass formation, what I saw, what I experienced with you, what I experienced with the concerted attacks of the media.

Um and then subsequently it's been validated by this congressional report that talks about, for instance, the JuraTicket system. JuraTickets are are what it's a system that all the software companies use. Track uh glitches and comp uh complaints and stuff like that. Well, the government had their own juror ticket system set up. to log information about activities of persons that they wanted to have censored and suppressed.

And they would build these JURA tickets with information. And so one of the things that's out on the Congressional Report was that I actually had a JURA ticket. I was surprised that this is the case, or not surprised, in Richard. Uh in in my personal sins were that I was listed as an anti-vaxxer and a conservative.

And a conservative. That's interesting. I mean the stuff that's coming out of the query things like Grok, even Grok. Um uh um about uh certain subjects and and you will find where they have algorithmically built firewalls. And and you can you can approach them and detect them because um it will it will act dumb uh It'll lock up. Seemingly it won't give you that answer, or it'll talk around the issue, etcetera, etc. You can identify these things that have been built in algorithmic.

And of course then we we had all of the disclosures, the Zuckerberg uh oh, I'm so sorry, uh Apology tour that happened, remember, when basically he got outed by Congress. And and the rest of the tech bros uh and of course the thing that catalyzed all of that was that Elon decided to pony up a good chunk of change and buy Which I think is one of the most impactful decisions that any American citizen has ever.

Amazing. If he didn't do that, I think we would be really screwed. Uh there's how how can you debate that? How can you debate it when you look at the Twitter file? how much the government was involved in censoring accurate information from legitimate professors, esteemed researchers, anybody who didn't go along with the official narrative. It's it's all coming out now in spades and and we're dealing now the lovely thing about all of this, I mean, let's let's try to it is morning and

In my opinion. I mean a lot of people get very dark and and there's a darkness But there's you know, not to push the metaphor too far, but there there is um new light coming And the fact that we can now see this and we recognize that y you and I are very similar generation. I mean, one of my earliest memories was the the assassination of the president.

And all of the propaganda around that, the propaganda around Vietnam War, ever since, we've just been swimming in information control that's gotten increasingly sophisticated. And uh fortunately as America we also kind of have become more and more immune to marketing and propaganda over time because we've been living with it, trying to discern what is real and what is you know, false.

If uh it's a core part of what you do try to, you know, have conversations to be able to get to the bottom of the bull. uh but um that we've we've been swimming in it and now we can see it. We can see the the structure the you know, the the power of artificial intelligence and influence mapping and all the things that are going on in the internet. that are the cutting cutting edge technology, they're scary because they can be weaponized against

But they're also super cool because we can now see those relationships. If you want an example of that, look at the the threads that are coming out on X. Uh illuminating the uh networks of affiliation associated with this latest episode. Just mind blowing.

Uh and and it is just just like w you know, we can we can sit here and bitch and whine saying, Oh they didn't release that blah blah blah. This is this is redacted. All that's true. But still the the impact of of that information We're still getting to the bottom of it. Like we had this sort of vague understanding. But when you see in the email like clear evidence that they're talking about children

Aaron Powell Horrifying Way. So that was the thing that like even I when I talked to Mike Benz about that, he was sort of incredible. I don't think they would use children. It just doesn't make any sense if it got caught. But it just seems like if Mike Benz was incredulous, that's pretty big.

out. Yeah. And then you go, oh well you there's no denying it now. My my position on it has completely shifted. I thought there's probably some really sick people that have an appetite for that, but I hadn't seen any real evidence This is clearly demonic. Um uh I'm somebody who was raised a Christian and went to Bible school and that kind of thing.

in youth groups, uh and then growing up in central coastal California, let's say, um, veered in different ways. Uh but uh The experiences that we've encountered over the last half a dozen years, it's hard to come up with a language. To express what we're observing in the world other than the language of theology. Trevor Burrus, Jr.: Well, demonic biological. So whether or not demons exist, if they did exist, that is how they would behave. They would prey on children and torture.

And there was the one where th there was a suggestion when a a child was praying to Jesus that like there was a joke that someone should dress up like Jesus. Did you say that one, John? No, I... I'm not watching a lot of the things. I don't even want to. I don't even want people send it to me and I go, okay. Because I'm pr for the most part off social media. But every now and then someone will send me something that I have to look at. I'm like, oh my.

Yeah. And these are th these are emails back and forth. There's one of them where Epstein says I enjoyed the torture video. There's these references to pizza. Are one hundred percent some kind of a code. Yeah. And then it brings you back to Pizzagate. Yeah. And which was widely dismissed. You know, everybody's like, oh, this is a bunch of kooks. Here it is.

Uh she said she felt God's presence next to her when she was in bed. She knows that Jesus watches over her and he helps her save he helped save her life. And then he writes Woop. And then in response, Jeffrey Epstein says, You should dress up as him when you see her. Um it it is it is dark. You should dress up like Jesus when you see her. What the fuck? You're talking about a little kid. How do I how am I supposed to interpret I'm coming trick? The OH Jesus I'm coming trick.

It's just the the whole thing but so so we see this darkness, it involves uh leaders in academe, in science, in industry, in politics. Yeah. And and it it just you know, I I remember point in this arc of the last six years where a a film crew came on to my farm and wanted to shoot some segments. And they were talking this and frankly I thought it Um, I kind of smiled and and you know, tried to be civil and nice, not contradict them, uh uh about the New World Order.

And um uh and then Along comes, you know, then my wife one day says, Hey you oughta look at this book from Klaus Schwab. It's called the New World Order. Like what? I mean, he was just saying it out loud. Yeah. I mean, the World Economic Forum had those ads where they were saying, You will own nothing and you will be happy. Yeah. And and it goes back to the current king of England.

was the guy that kinda launched that. He was the first one to be really talking about that that you can if you you can go use your use your favorite AI and track it down yourself. Uh I prefer not to use Google these days to try to find stuff. But uh

It it we see vertical after vertical after vertical after vertical where um information has been crafted and manipulated. and these same tools of uh of delegitimization of uh um promotion of uh these messages uh that you are a conspiracy theorist or uh um uh that you are controlled opposition is another favorite one. A lot of this was pioneered in the sixties by the FBI against the various protests.

And you can go back and track that. Okay, the the the narrative of uh um being a a collaborator uh surreptitiously is called bad jack. uh and and it has its own its whole language and and protocols for how to do this to people, to divide movements. We're we're we're in this I mean in a way. It's kind of a glorious moment where y we're having uh

huge amount of social uh pressures coming together in this moment in time that you and I happen to live in. How fantastic To be at a point in this where there is so much change, there's so much social interaction and pressure and competition between these different philosophies, and w and it we're swimming in. I from f as as somebody writes on a daily basis these essays on subjects my living now'cause I can't do what I used to do. Uh um it's it's you're kidding a candy.

There there's so much corruption. There's so much falsehood being promoted. There's so much of this uh manipulation of reality. And so if if you're in the business of of trying to help people to make sense I'm like, how do you not? All you gotta do is keep your eyes open.

So so you talked about Ivor Mecton. I mean the Iver Mecton story is is still ongoing. There was an announcement the other day from HHS that they are launching new initiatives to investigate the use of ivermectin and And there was immediate blowback.

uh along the lines of oncologists are outraged, you know, the narrative is Uh Bobby f you know, not saying this explicitly, but basically Bobby Kennedy is at it once again promoting falsehoods and conspiracy theories and it's gonna, you know, we're all gonna die.

Because uh because scientists are gonna investigate the use of ivermectin and and other drugs. So this is the this is the core question and this is one of the things that puzzled me to know I understood that they were upset that I had gotten better without the use of the vaccine, that I was a popular person, that I was a famous person, and I made a video about a canceled

Dave Chappelle and I were supposed to do a show and I made that video to let everyone know that I couldn't do the show because I got covert. I had no idea it was going to be even. But I listed a bunch of things that I took. And the shit hit the fan. I talked about IV vitamins. Yeah. I talked about monoclonal anticipators. I talked about Which were allowed. Z PAC. I talked about all these different things that I talked about.

There was no mention of any of those things. There was only ivermectin. And that's what really puzzled me. I was like, this is fascinating. Because I listed a bunch of different things, but there was no demonization of monoclonal antibodies, but they did make them monoclonal. So I n uh I have a friend and his friend was in the hospital

and they wouldn't administer monoclonal antibodies once he got into the hospital. They wouldn't allow him to have them. What went on in the hospital is a whole nother thing. But so So the c the why? The why that one medication. The only two threads that I can pull on at all is that ivermectin is a medicine. Right? In this case it doesn't seem to be working as an antiviral, it seems to be working as an immuno immune stimulant.

pro inflammatory or or pro immune response in some way that's subtle, uh because it has this broad spectrum of activity against things that have a an immune response component and control. But it's off path. They don't understand it, it's off patent, and it it the response is as if it represents a significant threat.

to some business interests. It's hard to discern that. And you mentioned ZP So that's another fascinating one. And to say that it was only ivermectin, ivermectin was the most prominent, but they were actually effective in shutting down uh the ZPAC, um uh the use of hydroxychlorox. And hydroxychloroquine has a fascinating story. When you mention ZPAC, you're talking about Zebzalenka. And Zev was the one that wrote the letter to the president.

saying, hey, here's this data and this information about this drug that is off Um we have a huge uh portfolio of experience in using it. Um millions and millions. It's safe in pregnancy. Uh what's not to like here? And and the story of that is is a fascinating microcosm, because it goes back to Ralph Barrett.

Ralph Barrick had published that um back years ago, when, you know, he's he's kind of the guru of coronaviruses, and a good case can be made that he had his fingers all over the engineering of this. Uh so he had published that this drug was effective against coronavirus. And Zev uh Zelenko, who's passed away now, um, uh got engaged in trying to find some way to help his patients in New York.

with uh recovering from COVID and uh treating COVID and he went back, did a deep dive into into Barrett Pulled out this drug, hydroxychloric, that had been recommended, wrote to the president about it, started he got clinical experience. Um and you know, caveat, um uh Mickey Willis is doing a uh bio conflict of interest. But uh He was the one that pulled it out, sent the letter to the president. with his clinical experience.

The president tasked Peter Navarro with sourcing the drug for the in and and Peter, you know, economist, went to town. I remember uh the company I was working with, Alchem at the time, getting a call. Can you come up with some way to make more of this drug here domestically? We want to source it so we have enough doses for everybody. And then I think it was Lancet published this paper. said that it's toxic, doesn't work, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It was all fake.

Okay. They pulled the paper when it became revealed that it was based on non existent data, that it was more propaganda, published in one of the top medical journals in the United States. But by that time it was completely crushed. So they didn't have to go after

Zstack. They'd already killed Zstack. Ivermectin, though, that was a new threat. And one of the reasons why it was a threat was there was a um meta analysis that had been done at the cockpit. So the Cochrane Institute in the UK is like, you know, woo, the Holy Grail for analysis of drugs. in biologics and uh this process of meta-analysis. They kind of they kind of wrote the rules for how to do it. And they had done an analysis that showed that ivermectin was quite effective.

Uh and um then something happened. and uh there was some influence exerted and suddenly that meta-analysis got quenched. It got squashed. Um there were two investigators that uh were involved in building that. Um one kinda went underground and and got a big grant and carried on as an academic. The other one got so pissed off that she created this organization called the World Council for Health. That's Tesla.

And uh she really objected to what happened. But Ivor Mecton, you know, there was a signal there. There was a clear signal. To cause that meta-analysis to be restructured and certain studies that were showing how effective it was to be thrown out. And then the suppression of the data coming out of India, you remember that? Mm-hmm. Uh Urpradesh. And and Uttar Pradesh. And and uh and i I guess it had kind of it's like the cat was out of the bag.

And they had trouble putting it back in so they just my They turned up the amplitude on the on the uh propaganda and the censorship in order to try to overcome this. And and I'm pretty sure remember who was it that held the original patch? Merck. Now I was involved um as an observer on behalf of of Ditch.

to the active trials that were going on under the Foundation for NIH, which is sponsored in a significant way by Merck, and which is now headed up by the former head of Merck vaccines, Julie Gerber. Uh Bobby can't get her out of the way. uh and they were running these clinical trials, including the clinical trial that essentially by tweaking the dosing, et cetera, made it so that they came up with a result suggesting that ivermectin is not effective.

There there was a whole lot of manipulation and the why part still s the best explanation I've heard is that it had a lot to do with uh Uh The risk that if there was an effective countermeasure, then the utilization of the PrEP Act and the emergency countermeasure. To process to enable fast tracking of these vaccines using this new technology. Uh would no longer be valid. Because those are the rules. Is if there's an existing countermeasure, then you can't uh implement.

Those clauses. So it's all about emergency use authorization.

Like which was enormous. Enormous. So it was effective. And all that propaganda, regardless of how much exposed them and exposed their methods, they made hundreds of billions of dollars. I mean people the big big picture when I talk to people that are still kind of on the fence trying to make sense out of it, you know, there's still a lot of those The the thing that kinda gets into their brain is the greatest upward transfer of wealth in modern history occurred during

It wasn't just the vaccines. It was the whole enterprise. Aaron Powell Lockdowns, all the the what was done to small businesses, what was done uh to the economy, the stimulus packages, they're still digging out of all of that. Uh it it you know i in retrospect uh for for average uh that are just trying to put food on the table and pay their rent. uh to look at in retrospect what was d you know quite literally done to them. The middle class was hollowed out in like on hyperspeed.

So yeah, I'm still pissed off about it. Well you should be. The thing is not enough people are and so many people let it go. And part of the reason why not enough people are pissed off about it is because they took the vaccine and they want to jump And you will talk to a lot of people that make this blanket claim the vaccine

was that these products which they had b the thesis is they had been playing the central role. I disagree. I think Peter Cullis is the one that should have got it. If you're gonna give it If you're gonna give it for these vaccines, it was Peter Cullis and his team at UBC that really was the enabling tech. But be that as it may, the decisions made. And the committee said basically uh you know, millions of lives have been.

And by giving this Nobel at this time, we are we hope that it will promote more people to accept this product. That was explicitly the logic given at the time. And that reflects what was really a thrust vector. Joe, I I've You know, it's what a bizarre world since we met. Very uh and and so I've been sucked into uh To call it the center right of Europe is a little bit of a misnomer because they're all right.

far as I'm concerned, Giorgio Maloney and everybody else. But you know, compared to the far left, uh, they're labeled as neo-Nazis. But I've been traveling to Europe, interacting with these people. You think it was bad for us. The European Union and the UK and the Canada were at order magnetic. that we we we should be so grateful that we live in this country at this time and that we still have something like a functioning constitution with the first and second amendment.

Uh look at the poor suckers in Australia and New Zealand. Uh you know, it uh remind yourself it could be a heck of a lot worse here and it has been a heck of a lot worse in in Europe. I've got buddies in Romania. in the leading uh um alternative party, you know, calling it center. Um uh that uh you know recently I think it was the Vice President that came out and said specifically that that last election was stolen.

It was in in Romania. Georgescu, uh they tried to put in jail, and the logic was that uh I think it was TikTok. Supporting his campaign had been sponsored by the Russians. It was the same game that they played against Trump. They played that same book. in Romania successfully, but in the European Union environment under the European Council, they they don't you know, they ain't got a constitution.

And they can just step right in and and throw you in jail, inactivate your candidacy, do whatever if you represent a populist threat to the existing structure. We talk about the deep state. But it's it it doesn't you know, yeah, it's a problem. But in and thank yeah, Mike Benz I defer to as as a notable expert in that space.

But uh it's it's a lot worse in Europe and Australia and Canada and the UK and uh I think you know we're we're in a in a perilous time here in the United States where you know we have the midterm coming up. But people like Bobby are making progress. And these dissident physicians that have risked so many things

Uh and I'm just one. You know, people I hear people saying, Oh Robert, Robert, they've been so mean to you And I'm like, Come on guys. Um you think they've been mean to me, then look at what they did to Bob. And then if if you know, and then look I don't have a nick out of my ear. You know, look at what they did to Trump.

What they did to me is just I'm I'm nobody compared to that, and they're willing to deploy that kind of capability against me. Uh think about what's really going on at the higher levels where where the big games are

And uh you know, at least we can see it now. At least we have s for those of us that have our eyes We have some ability to be aware. But what what I've spent the last two years mostly trying to convince people about I hardly ever talk about I sit um oh I Joe, I gotta give a caveat. Um, forgive me. Yeah. Um the opinions I'm expressing here are my own and not those of the U.S. government, the CDC, or the ACIP. There I said it. Okay.

In a moment where we're seeing this how the levers, the gears of how all this works. Give you an example. Tomorrow, Friday, February 13th. What could possibly go wrong? Uh um hopefully my plane flight out of here works okay. And they don't have a drone attack or something, right? Um so tomorrow there's a loss. uh filed on behalf of the American Academy of Pediatrics that seeks to shut down the advisory committee on immunization practices and uh the changes that Bobby's implementing.

uh and uh force all of that to go back to the way things were when it was functionally controlled by the professional societies and particularly the American Academy of Pediatrics. They they they we talk about this, you know, propaganda and weaponization and and uh lawfare and those things, and we talk about it as if it only happened in the last administrative

It's it's still ongoing all the time. And it is gonna go big time if if the house turns, which I think it probably will. I mean there's a good chance that They've already drawn up articles of impeachment against Secretary Kennedy. They're talking about articles of impeachment against President Trump. We're about to go into another two years of stagnation, uh and st and um, you know, functional

Uh what do we call it? We can't call it civil war. Um uh you know um war by other means uh is is where we're heading right now. But at this moment I'm seeing major movement. You know, Kennedy is doing great stuff. The president is doing great stuff. We're seeing a transformation in America's global region. totally restructuring global politics and on the health side to make America healthy Well it's this old quote that

Seems sort of abstract for most people most of the time, but rings kind of true. But you're finding it true more and more. Money is the root of all evil. Uh profound. Uh simple. But it is but profound. Yeah. Money. I think it also has to do with control. Right. Which means more money. A fair amount. Yeah, it's it's it's money and power in my mind. But power they they don't want power without money.

Aaron Powell I I believe for the likes of Larry Fink and Bill Gates, I mean they can't be able to do that. Right. It's a marker. It's a it's uh like chips. You're stacking up chip exactly. Right. They're scoring in a video. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And and but also captured by their past actions and constantly trying to obfuscate from all the things that they have done in the past that could be like if you just went into Bill Gates' stuff that he did in Africa.

Giving children polio with that polio vaccine that w was from the AP News. Uh the Yeah, so I don't get it. I don't get where these people live. I I'm I'm happy You know, as far as I'm concerned, I could w walk away from all this stuff. It's just kind of a sense of obligation of what are you gonna do when you're sixty-six? I have this opportunity to impact in a positive way on the world on my way out. Uh who wouldn't take it?

But I don't have a need to have power. I have thank God for my Substack subscribers, I have all all that I need. My wife is happy, my horses are fed, my farm is paid off. It's it's you know it's and I have the luxury of doing good work. And that's enough. I don't I don't get this this global power Thrust and hunger.

That's not your thing. But if you were a politician or you were some megalomaniacal billionaire sort of business character that just wants to dominate and was involved in a bunch of antitrust lawsuits in the past. Not that we're naming any names. Not that we're naming any names that bribed off multimedia corporations to the tune of three hundred plus million dollars so that they wouldn't write bad stories about him.

And a giant chunk of American farmland for was for a while trying to put that push that fake meat shit on everybody. The business models aren't working out so good for the globalists, are they? I think a lot of it is because of information that's available now. Yeah. And you can't control like one of the things that did happen during COVID is These places like CNN people stopped going. They don't believe them.

There's just too much bullshit and no one got in trouble for spreading that bullshit. There was no correct No redactions, no no apologies. Yeah. No acknowledgement. People now more than ever in my lifetime mistrust mainstream media and polls show that. Polls show that the trust of mainstream media isn't an all-

For good reason. They did it to themselves. They prostituted themselves out to the pharmaceutical drug companies. They had to say what they had to say on television. People knew what they were saying was incorrect. And now no one else. So to this thread. About four years ago I I read a uh report from the Trusted News. You remember the TNI was launched by the BBC uh to counter Russian disinformation and then repurposed to counter vaccine disinformation.

Uh and they and I read this report about I'd gone on your So I was a little bit of a fan, uh forgive me. Uh and um so I'm reading this report and they're talking about threats to the industry. Because TNI is basically another trade organization. It's another guild. Uh it's a global uh major media. And uh so they're they're doing this internal analysis and reporting and and they're talking about the risk vectors that they face. And they had a whole great big section on Joe R.

Joe Rogan represents uh that that was that was their uh threat. That that was the major threat to their business model is you and what you represent. you as a metaphor for this new information economy. And by God, they called it right. It's it's and and when I this again, this has been part of my journey. When I real what I was experiencing and what it meant to come on your show and have Um event occurred.

Which w by the way blew up my subscribers on I still get a wave every About in the in the month following so January. I get a big bump in revenue. Well it blew up our subscribers on Spotify too. During the heat of it, we gained in one month we gained two million subscribers. I had I had oh yeah, please dare it. What is the what's the Spotify subscribers? I never knew I know YouTube is over twenty, twenty million. What is Spotify at?

So while he's looking that up, I had this bizarre experience. You know, I'm just an old gray haired guy with a with you know, I'm about to have my forty seventh wedding anniversary. Congratulations. Thank you. Um I'm proud of it. Um I would have twenty year olds come up in the street and fist bump me. I'm like, What the hell?

Yeah, well they don't have a representative. I mean they don't see anyone. All males. Yes, males. Those those males don't have anybody in mainstream news that represents anything that resembles them. I mean, I know I'm much older than them. But I never went down this path of decay and weirdness that a lot of adult males go into corporate business and industry and they become something unrecognizable to these young men who have freedom in life.

And they're being suppressed and they're being told that they're toxic That was a singer right there. Yeah. Young men that have freedom in life. Yeah. And then they compromise the stuff. They don't wanna be what their dad is. They don't wanna be what their uncle is. They don't wanna be these people that they work for. They're like what is this fucking bullshit like?

I don't want that. I know I'm being lied to. I know the news is full of shit. And I know that this one guy who is uh also a cage fighting commentator and a comedian. And doesn't have to lie. Like I'm not being uh I don't have a boss really. I mean Spotify promotes the show. I mean they put the show out. We're in partnership with them, but there's no one telling me what to do, which is why you're hero. 'Cause there's no one I d I don't have a conversation with no one.

I literally like reach out to my guy and say, hey, contact Rob m to contact Mr. Malone and let's get him back on. All I know all I know is I got a message uh from through X. Yeah. That was actually me. That message is me, which I rarely use those things, but I was trying to figure out how to contact you. So I've reached out to you there. And then I send it to my guy and he takes care of it. Like that's it. There's no one else. There's no one involved in all that. Which

you could still be you that way. As soon as you get involved in enormous groups of humans and a bun a board. You have to sit down at a a table with other executives. You have to make decisions based on the profitability of the company and shareholders and stuff. I have none of that.

It's a skeleton crew. So as I look back, you know, the question w why were you able to do this multiple? Um why were you able to s you know, oh you were so brave, Doctor Malone? I th I could Well Robert Malone, that name became like a majority. Yeah. It became like oh yeah that Malone guy. It's it's all weaponized. Um but but then on the other side, I I tour. I do these rallies and stuff like this and uh you know My wi it really makes my wife nervous. I I'm

middle aged women come up to me and they wanna have selfies. Uh and and I get this uh oh Doctor Malone you were so brave, you're such a hero kind of stuff, which I frankly find But um yeah there's a lot of things. Why why why why was that yeah, yeah. The guys that that, you know, um that defend the nation. Right. Uh um but why was able to speak I think a big part of it was I had no debt.

Um I wasn't beholden to anybody. Right. And uh like you say, I'd been about a decade being a consultant, a free living consultant, and it gotten under my skin. I've always been independent, you know, farmer, carpenter kind of stuff. Uh in um that's I guess been part of my problem is I just don't fit in in corporate life. I I can't suck up to people and it's just not in me.

The the epiphany was, and I'm being quite sincere, you know, it was one of those moments my wife and I looked at each other and we said, What the hell are we going to do now? Um, our consulting Nobody wants to talk to me. I've been delegitimized. They say I don't know. uh and this has been promoted by all the top liberal publications in the world. Yeah. And uh so so I said, okay, Rogan Bill Day after day, week after

For years. He just stayed on it and doing it and we can do that too. We can bring that kind of Into our Steve Kirsch had told me you ought to get on Spotify. And we went, we took it on seriously. We've published thousands of essays now, almost every day.

You mean substack. Substack. What did I say? Um and and so we just work again and again and again trying to put out content. And we're we're shadow banned and small roomed on X In a serious way. You know, I got 1.3 million subscribers, of which uh, you know, all the time I get feedback. I never say you. Uh well it's algorithmic, whatever it is, you know. And you can ask Grock about Robert Malone and and you know, you get back um

I'm a controversial figure. Uh but uh you know, not whining. Uh and so we have we have a lot of subscribers, but we just have this core paid And they send in their fiber. And uh it's all we need. We we can talk about whatever we want, and yeah, now that I'm pseudo-government employee, I'm a special government employee without pay. That's like the worst of both worlds. Um the truth is, um I have garden. that that constrained me in a way that I didn't used to be constrained. Uh for talking

You know, I I have to uh live in this world. I interface with uh the sex. and with the deputy chief of staff and other people and now I'm working with the state Uh and um so you know I have to I have to be more mindful. What is your function? Like what what do you do over there? At state or Yeah. Both. When you're working for the government, like how do they use your service? So um the special government employee category is a designation from the

It's the one that Elon had. I like to say I'm in the same category as Elon was, only without all the money. Um uh so uh he was a SGE without pay. I'm an SGE without pay. And uh because I serve on the advisory committee on immunization practices of the C D C, which is this uh they call it it's a FOCA committee, federal that advises the director of the C D C that's its only job on vaccine

Um so I'm the vice chair, which is largely honorary. What that means is that if the chair isn't there, I draw the short straw and I have to chair those bloody meetings, like the last one for hepatitis B, birth dose, which was uh just Slugfest. Ugly. The worst meeting I've ever had. Um but for the most part I sit on these subcommittees. I sit on the COVID working group subcommittee. Um I'm not supposed to talk about the next meeting I was told

two days ago. So uh that's one of my my guardrails. Uh but uh stay tuned uh for what is gonna come down if the AAP lawsuit doesn't prevail and we're allowed to actually have the meeting.

Uh but so that's that. I'm also the chair of the Influenza working group. Uh stay tuned for that. Uh and now I am So and I from time to time the secretary asks me to help him sort out some issue. You know, I'll get a phone call. I once got a phone call on um on the Big Island. Uh I did this recent series of rallies to try to um what you know to recap the whole reason why that we did that first hit was to try to publicize the Stop the Mandates rally in D.

That was the that was the subtext for that, as you'll recall, and I forgot to even mention it. We had to go back in to to do another shoot for that, remember? I'm still fighting that same battle of trying to stop these mandated vaccines. So I'm sitting there in Hawaii, I'm going to another one of these rallies. I get a call out of the blue from one of Bobby's people and they want some advice about a topic having to do with the decision he has to make about spending money on another

So I get that kind of stuff. Uh he called me soon after he was confirmed to get my opinion about what was going on in the chicken industry. And all the slaughter that was happening for bird flu. I told him this doesn't make sense, it's not good policy, there's no way you can get rid of bird flu doing this, it's in the wild bird populations, and this is just nonsensical what they're doing. Okay, so that's uh that's interesting. That now we drive into uh kind of public health and vaccinology.

Uh you're asking the why. And it's been a long standing policy. They do it every time. Every time there's a bird flu. Yeah. So right now in Spain, I just wrote an essay about this. It was the maybe the biggest reveal on what's going on in Spain right now. There's a Spanish research lab that's been collaborating with the USDA that is investigating swine fever virus. And they're actually doing gain of function research on swine fever virus.

Swine fever virus, African swine fever virus kills pigs like crazy. Um and already China has locked down and will not accept Spanish pork, and it is a laptop. Really. And there was a bunch of dead hogs last November around this facility, and now it's the the Spanish and the European Union are are you know blowing a circle. um because uh um it's really compromised the Spanish pork industry. So so this kind of stuff when when this happen

the the reaction is we just have to kill all of them. We have to kill all the potential carriers. And this has been the wisdom quote uh of in in this kind of uh So the logic is that if you were to vaccinate these birds, with a leaky vaccine, which, you know, COVID was a leaky vaccine, influenza is a leaky vaccine. If you give the birds a leaky vaccine, what you'll get out of that Is uh precisely vaccine resistant flu. Okay? And so we we have no choice.

but to exter you know, like the ostriches in Canada, you remember that story? That was shocking. Okay, there was no logic behind that. It's it's gone it's become entrenched as policy, as kind of this reflexive knee jerk thing. that if we have an outbreak, what we do is we kill because we can't control the virus. And the things that we could do to control the virus aren't really going to control it and it's actually going to make things worse. Is there any logic to that?

Uh we we can argue with the margins. We can argue with the margins, but when you got something that if you had something that didn't have a natural reservoir Uh then then you can make the case. that that you could eliminate it in that geographic population and keep it from spreading outside. But when you have a natural reservoir, like explain that? Uh explain the natural reservoir. Okay. In the case of avian influenza, um Waterfowl and migratory birds.

uh are amazing uh vectors for carrying and propagating influenza. And influenza survives in water for a very long time. And so you got ducks and geese traveling north to south, all over um every continent. that are susceptible to infection by avian influenza and all the other migratory birds. But in particular the waterfowl, uh galliforms, my wife would uh Rap me on the head if I didn't use the right term. Uh so she's a avian

So uh so these these birds uh carry the flu and a number of them are r relatively resistant. They've been subjected to avian influenza for Centuries or millennia. And sometimes you'll get a variant come out that'll wipe out a whole bunch of birds. West Nile virus and crows is a great example. And now you have crow populations coming back that are resistant to West Nile. We haven't gotten rid of West Nile.

We've just bred more resistant birds. That's kind of, you know, that's Brett Weinstein's space, right? That's evolution. It's magical. And so you if you have a natural animal residence uh like the ticks and lime and uh and deer. Mm-hmm. W what are you gonna do? Exterminate all the Uh, A Mao tried to exterminate the bird. Because of the thesis that they were eating up all the spare grain and compromising availability of food to the populace, right? And what happened? Major ecological catastrophe.

You can't eliminate the birds. You can't go and kill all the waterfowls. That would just be ecologically insane. But you know, sometimes we do insane things. And in the case of avian influenza. It's there. It's endemic. It's in all that migratory waterfowl. They poop an amazing amount of influenza. It gets in the water supply. The water supply goes everywhere.

Um they you know, small birds are interacting with I don't know if you've ever been around a chicken barn uh or a turkey barn. Okay, yeah, there's there's chickens and then there's commercial chicken production, right? Um so So these operations are like petri dishes for bad stuff happening. And the only way you can interfere with that, and by the way the Amish are starting to do it, is put something in the water.

And what the Amish are using is is a compound called hypochlorous acid. And it's it's stopping these things and it's stopping the E. coli and a lot of other stuff. But the USD that's another problem is is, you know, when you have the the momentum of these large government agencies with their consensus about the way things You know, there's a saying that uh the only time the FDA ever changes is if somebody in a key position retires or passes.

They they kind of get entrenched in this is how we do things. We we kill chickens. If we have avian influenza come out, we kill chicken barns. And this is the the beauty of Secretary Kennedy coming being uh kind of not invested in the way things are and the way we do things, and being willing to ask the questions, does this really make sense? Um and uh that has been heresy. It's obviously is still heresy to do

to ask those questions, to to you know have the president say we need to restructure the vaccine schedule. Oh my God. The sky is falling, kids are gonna die left and right, there's gonna be death on the street because we ended the thimerosol in multi dose influenza vials. Um this this kind of catastrophic thinking, but Kennedy has and the present have the courage. to question these narratives, these long held standing beliefs. In the case of the bird

You know, he he called me up. I said, Bobby, I don't think this makes sense. I think that what we really need to do is we need to breed resistant chickens. And the way we breed resistant chickens, and by the way, we've we've written about this also in our sub stack, there are in in the domain of uh chicken culture.

Now this th you you have chickens. You know there are people that are just freaks about chickens. Yeah. Uh and and all of these very but because of that we have this huge repository of different cultivars of chickens. Uh you know, we could say they were all generated through gain of function research the old school way. Uh and um and a number of those are relatively resistant to bird flu. Well in a logical You would have Tyson's

Uh you know, maybe the government has to incentivize this. It shouldn't have to. You would have Tysons in there saying, Well, guys What we need is a bird flu resistant chicken. Let's get on it. Okay? Um and that is essentially the position that the Secretary took as is this policy of just extremely aggressive mass culture.

is not producing the outcome that we want. It has never produced the outcome that we want. It will never eliminate bird flu because it has an endemic reservoir. And we've got to think differently. And and now that's starting to percolate through the system and there is more research into alternative strategies, including the possibility of various uh prophylactic interventions in in feed and in water.

Uh that's you know in in the a lot of these chicken houses mist as you recall. They have the misters because they got to control the temperature. So they are set up with uh misters and that can also be a way to deliver things that are non toxic, like H O C L that can um knock out these viruses and uh influ and uh E. coli and other things that cause uh reduced growth and and loss of of weight.

Uh in chickens, which is the metric that Tyson's and those guys is food conversion. That's the metric they all praise. Uh that you know there's different we can we can think differently and we have been locked into um you know consensus that has emerged over decades.

uh based on old ways of thinking. Aaron Powell And the same people are in charge so they don't want to change. Aaron Powell And and they kind of o often kind of have these lineages where they're passing power onto the people that they've mentioned. Um so that's that's my HHS world and then the State Department world is a new thing that's come in. I have a uh I'm I'm starting to support the uh group uh under secretary rubio that's responsible for uh

the various treaties having to do with uh arms containment and in particular the bioweapons convention. So this morning I got up early uh and you know there was so Um honest to God, I don't wanna pump you up too much. I mean you might get an ego. So I say to the state, they say, Robert, we want you to go to Geneva to give this talk on the use of AI for monitoring uh bioweb.

Because we have no way of monitoring compliance with the Bioweapons Convention right now. And it's been a historic problem. And we and the president has that we're gonna uh we think that we can apply artificial intelligence to this problem set of of monitoring and verifying compliance with the bio Which is heresy. It's another one of these thinking outside of the box things. Uh so they say, We want you to go to Geneva and give this talk and and be the key keynote. And I say, and what's the day?

Um and I say, uh I I I don't talk about this because you know it's the general thing. You don't tell people that you're going to be on Rogan. Um you let Rogan say that when Rogan's ready. Uh And so I said, But that I'm scheduled for Rogan. Um and they're like, Oh, Rogan, well, okay, absolutely. You gotta go on that one. That's way more important than than going and speaking at the UN. So you're the State Department thinks you're more important than me talking about bioweapons. And they let me

Uh WebExit. So so that's what happened this morning. And and uh it is a f so I'm I'm supporting that group. uh um uh now and maybe increasingly over time and I don't know where that's So you were talking about um these pigs that it's a lab leak that's giving these pigs in Spain.

And what is it another gain of function laboratory where there were So this is this is truly a breaking news thing. Uh our media is not covering it. Uh in Shocker. Um it it is being covered in Europe, it and particularly in Spain. This this is a major economic threat because they're I think the number two pork producer in the Um and you know in the hogs that are feeding on acorns, etc. Uh last November.

Uh this this laboratory that is ostensibly working, this is I mean it's Wuhan two point oh. Only the good news is that this is not uh swine flu. People get that confused. I'm not talking about swine flu. This is African swine feed. It's been around for millennia. It's never crossed into humans. It's a very different virus. So just make sure we got that clear. Okay. Um so this highly lethal African uh swine fever. uh is is a threat to the global pork industry.

And uh so this laboratory in Spain is cooperating with the USDA to try to develop a new vaccine for African swine. And in doing so, the the our government once again was unaware that this even existed. There's a cooperative agreement between USDA and this laboratory. to engage in if if you read, they don't call it gain of function research, they call it building recombinant viruses.

uh and experimenting in uh different uh virus structures uh to allow them to better build a better vaccine. Exactly the same logic that was used in Muhammad. Okay. Now then last November so this is ongoing.

in this little laboratory. And what this relates to, Joe, is the idea that is being promoted that uh for justice and equity and share We need to enable there being uh distribution of highly infectious pathogens all over the world in separate laboratories so that um we're we in the big bad west are not imposing and enabling our industries to prey on, name your uh emerging economy.

Uh by taking biologic resources from them, in other words, new viruses, and using them to build stuff, we have to cooperate and they have to have access to these reagents. So the logic right now that's in play and being promoted by the is that we should have uh high pathogen repositories and research programs all over the world, decentralized in these emerging economy states. In you know, Spain is is uh not Germany.

Uh but so so there's a Spanish lab, USD is cooperating with them, they're gonna build a African swine fever virus vaccine, they're doing gain of function research. And then and by the way, just like in Wuhan, there's some construction going on. uh related to that. And then uh Suddenly And it's an area that is very dense in wild hawks. Now somehow we got to get this through our brain. Okay, you don't put the facility.

in a place that's proximal to the thing that might get infected if you have a lab leak. I mean that's that oughta be like rule number one stamped on everybody's brain. You don't do it. Like the Rocky Mountain labs make a lot of sense. If you're gonna be working with nasty

And you gotta do it. Put it somewhere obscure, not in Boston, right? Um so they're doing it, they're surrounded by dense wild hog population, and suddenly last November people detect there is wild hogs dead all over around the What could possibly be? So they start investigating. The people police have been in, uh, grabbed the records, grab the digital information, et cetera, because the entire Spanish pork industry.

is now compromised. Their major client, China, has already pulled their trade No more Spanish pork going into the I advocate that President Trump ought to drop the curtain right now. Because when I looked at the distribution of wild hogs, I mean you've you've traveled enough, you know uh how important uh wild feral hogs are in the economy in uh Italy.

The wild hogs are all over in Europe. And this place in Catalonia is right near the French border. I don't and then like right on the other side, a couple hundred miles, is Italy. and and the band of of high density wild hogs spreads like that up through the mountains and then down into Italy. And and I think that uh If I was sitting in the White House right now, I think uh to protect, you know, both for Uh the president core constituency is AG. Voted for him, you know, three times.

And he's that he holds that near and dear. And I think that uh it's good politics and it's good public health, it's good health, uh agricultural decision to raise the barrier. Um until we can see that Europe has resolved the risk associated with this.

So once again what's contained. I I and and to your point, I don't know the answer. I mean the right now what they're doing is they're using drones. uh to try to find you know how hard it is to hunt wild hog. Yeah. Yeah. And the hogs are winning. It's like the emu wars in Australia, right? My friend Monty Franklin is from Australia actually has a joke. It's true. We have emos on our farm and and they're weird animals, man. It's like living with dinosaurs.

They're dumb as shit too. They are w they are weird. Second dumbest are owls. Oh really? I didn't know the owl. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. I always thought they were so smart. Give a hoot, don't pollute. They're always wearing a monocle. You know? They're always the wise professor.

Well that right it goes back to it goes back to Athens, the symbol of uh learning has been the L. Very weird. Very weird. So emails are weird. But the hugs I I don't know what they're gonna do. What they did to control in Europe. So uh the former assistant director general of the WHO, who I knew, this was her claim to fame, was she had led the development of rabies base.

And they would bait uh um with a uh rabies vaccine to try to control the incidence of rabies in particularly foxes was the problem throughout. And a lot of the foxes were um crossing from the uh less developed part of the European Union into France. Uh she was French. And so uh what they did is they developed these baits with a vaccine, uh and uh they would distribute'em out of helicopters and there's a whole science about how dense the baits. to get uh immunity against rabies in in um foxpot.

But that they they was successful. Um they controlled uh fox and wolf population, rabies in Europe largely eradicated it through the use of baits distributed by helicopters. Do they have a vaccine for No they don't. That's what they were supposed to be developing.

Exactly. And As an increasing trend, and and there's the whole dark side that you know when I you know if you I read my comments, uh maybe I Don't do it after this show. So so you know, you get the blowback uh well this is all by intention because they're building market.

for whatever it is that they want to market, right? That's the there's one of the dark themes about COVID was that uh they wanted to promote the spread of COVID in order to sell the vaccines and blah blah blah. You know, so that's the the narrative and so in this case Well, they wanna spread African swine fever because somehow they're gonna profit from that while destroying their pork.

Uh you know, but this is this is the armchair uh strategists on the internet. Uh but that has it gotten into the domestic pork market? Interesting question, not to my knowledge yet, but I have this interesting colleague that I work with closely at the ACIP named Rezaf Levy, who's the chair of the COVID work. and has giving the pharmaceutical industry a run for their money right now. And it's of course being vilified.

And Retzif is a full professor at MIT, and his core competence uh is risk analysis and And he s he he reads my subjects. He doesn't subscribe, I'm pretty sure, but he reads it. Um and uh um So he he we're talking and he says, Yeah I read that thing that you put out about that virus. And he said I wrote a proposal. about risk mitigation and the need to do something about that because of it the ease by which it can enter the domestic pork population.

So I infer from that that there is a whole body of science about and he said it's it's it's very readily transmitted into commercial Which is why the Chinese have already dropped you know, dropped the curtain and said, No, we're gonna not gonna allow any of that into our into China, uh because of the risk. I mean what we're talking about so I I wrote an essay about um uh Uh low-risk, high impact events, which is what we're talking about. Another example of a low risk, high impact events.

is gene drive technology that Gates is promoting to exterminate the mosquitoes. You know, gene drive technology can be used to exterminate a species, particularly ones that have a high reproductive rate. And uh, you know, it's another one that is a crystal.

Uh but there's a whole school of thought that gene-drive tech should never be let out of the box into the environment. because in in the it what's you know there are those that are actively promoting its use. And uh to eliminate bad And uh, you know, we're all for eliminating bad stuff. Uh um uh you know, organisms, insects, worms, uh flies, stuff. Uh and uh yet It and and we can do experiment

Where we say, oh, we'll cultivate this kind of fly together with that kind of fly, and only these flies are going to have gene drive, and we're going to look for whether or not it gets over to these flies. And if it doesn't, then we can conclude that it's unlikely. But as Brett would tell you, um, we're dealing with ecosystems. really complex ecosystems. And the the risk environment now that I think grown up

Coming out of COVID, you know, the big lessons. We can we can we can talk about these egregious things that we've all But the big picture is, this thing came out, and I'm convinced it was engineered. I believe the most likely hypothesis is not that it was intentionally released. But that it was an unintentional uh release, uh an infection of of a laboratory. 'Cause that's what happens again.

Uh the these low probability events can have extremely high impacts and as we've seen globally And we have to rethink how we're managing risk, which is as I mentioned, Retsif's kind And in that logic that well it hasn't happened so far and I'm an expert and I have the right to play around in the

in this sandbox that I've helped develop. I know more than you do. How can you tell me that I shouldn't be doing that? You don't have the right to tell me. I'm the expert in the space. And uh to come into that environment and say, look You're playing around with stuff that could have a very high impact, even though it hasn't happened yet. And you've got to rethink.

uh what is acceptable. And and I think that that, you know, we were talking a moment about the State Department and uh We're now in an environment where the speed of of Um growth of the power of biotechnology is accelerating. It's going exponential, just like what we saw with And uh our bioethics, our regulatory structures, our our way of thinking about those risks is completely inab unable to

keep up with the pace of the advance. And that is creating a a whole new threat scene, not to scare people. I mean I I as I was thinking about coming on here, I was saying to my Take a deep breath. It's only Joe Rogan. He's a human. And you want to stay positive. And I don't want to go dark and just scare people, but we've got to take We got to recognize that uh this is a different We have all of this digital technology.

and in what it means and information control Suppression and manipulation psychologically, basically programming, customized programs

uh through avatars and all of this power. But we also have in parallel this world of rapid that is, you know, for for the likes of Yval Harari and those that are imagining a future of transhumanism, uh, and all of that means Uh we're we are moving very rapidly into a world uh that we can hardly One of the big thrust vectors in Silicon Valley right now relating to reproductive freights has to do with the development of artificial womb.

You know, these these wealthy, um, privileged people don't want to carry their own baby. And I guess surrogates are too cumbersome or risky. So they're really talking about a baby that's They're they're we're gonna run an essay about this soon. They already have a lamb that they have c grown de novo in a very good. We're there. Okay, and and these people see it as freeing. This this is this is um more women's rights.

Uh you know, we we don't need to uh have the organic process of carrying a baby, and that's a good thing. i you know, completely disregarding that there is a whole lot of subtle, complex interactions that occur between mother and fetus in the womb. Okay, that gives rise to

Right. You're who knows what kind of humans you're gonna develop with no interaction with the mother at all. But the entire nine months where they're developing. But that the exchange of hormones. But for the sake of convenience we wanna do that. Okay.

Zoom in on that. Okay, that has all kinds of... It has implications for organ transplantation. My friend Jan Yakellick, I don't know if you know Jan, if you've ever had him on, you might want to sometime. Interesting character. He is the Washington Bureau chief for this. Uh newspaper that is Defamed all the time, ridiculed, Epic Times. Okay, which I think is like the only print newspaper left in the United States that's worth reading.

that ascribes to classical journalism, but he's just come out with a book about um organ harvesting in China. and organ harvesting on demand. documenting that they are using live prisoners and keeping them in compounds and testing them for their genetic background and characteristics, and then harvesting them when necessary to provide organs for transplantation largely to Western

Because it is enormously profitable and also to leaders in the C C P. This is what all this brew ha ha was about the open mic event with Putin, about uh we can use transplantation to let us live another hundred years. That remember that little clip? So th this in in a world in which we can have artificial wombs, um, we can grow to provide donor tissue, to buy provide an insurance policy. We we are right at the doorstep

Demonic. It sounds demonic. I mean, is a soul a real thing? Just because it can't be quantified by science, you can't measure it. I mean the concept of the soul has always existed. If that's a real thing W who knows what you're doing creating a human being from an artificial Who knows what kind of processes are happening? We we know that stress on the mother imparts all sorts of unwanted characteristics in children.

We know that. We know like all kinds of interactions. The play the playing of music, that's real. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Soothing playing of music. Yeah. So So that's happening. That that vector is proceeding. And once you have that, in the in a world of CRISPR, okay, you can do genetic modification of a very small number of cells and then grow fetus. Okay. So that opens the door to uh do you rem did you watch the movie Gattaga? Yeah.

Gattaca absolutely recommended. If you want to understand our brave new world, the one that's really coming at us, and the ethical conundrums associated with that, watch Gattaca. And by the way, it has great production value too, doesn't it? Great movie. And totally underappreciated. And terrifying. Yeah. And the title G A T T A G A refers to a DNA.

Oh. Okay. So so watch the movie? You've already seen it. Yeah. You get it. Okay? We're moving to that space where we have custom-built humans. Now it's being you know, what's driving that? Convenience? Who doesn't want to have a child that's better than that's like you but better? Stronger? Bigger?

you know, smarter, better vision. Get rid of all the problems that I've got, right? Or you've got or whomever, you know, and and in your in your next offspring. And all you gotta do because here's another fun fact. At bull Whole genome sequencing is now about three hundred bucks. Whole genome sequencing is the is the portal for selective engineering. With Cast nine crystals.

So we're we now we're right on the threshold of that entire spectrum of capability of manipulating animals, life, fundamentals of life in every species and human life. And concurrently we have the incoming vector of robotics technology. And modern computational advance, you know, we're moving rapidly. I you know, people say, Oh, it's gonna be next month we're gonna have general artificial intelligence. Well they keep saying that month after month. What do we got here?

Yeah. Oh boy. I don't know who made this. I was trying to figure out who made this. I don't think the company who's doing it made it, but they might have I'm not BSing. I mean, doesn't this look like it's something straight out of the matrix? Hundred percent. This is all three DO business. Obviously it's not real, but oh my god, this is terrifying. That that this this is a business model. Like what is what kind of psychology does this child have with no exposure to its mother?

Hey, but for mom it's a lot more convenient. And she can get the perfect baby that she wants. What's not to like here, Joe? Well this is the thing about d you know the story about Ted Kaczynski? One of the stories what one of the things that happened to him. In the Netflix documentary they go into this, he was very sick when he And they kept him in this nursery with no contact with human beings for

For a long time. No one picked him up when he cried. He just sat in in this crib with no contact with his mother, nothing. And he from then on I mean his brother always described Off. Just off. Early stage neural development is amazing and profound. And by the way, this loops back to the vaccines.

When we're when we're doing all these jabs on these little tiny kids like the hepatitis B birth dose, they are at a stage where this thing is just growing like crazy and so is their liver and everything else. And you're injecting Which you which you really haven't characterized well and you're stacking them. Yeah. Um and no man's done the studies. So this is This is another thing that the Secretary is adamant about and that the President has led on.

Free license. Yeah, free license. Just go crazy. And then along with it corresponding property.

That's what's fucking scary. It's even worse. Um once functionally, because of how difficult it is to prove an endpoint and get a vaccine And if you get it down on the pediatric schedule, in other words, you manage to jam it through the ACIP, because the ACIP but the wisdom of is vested with the authority of authorizing the vaccines for children So if the a there's no other program in the entire U States United States government that is outside of congressional.

The ACIP can decide that this vaccine needs to be purchased for the Vaccines for Children program, and historically, because the ACIP has been captured by Pharma and by the CDC itself. And by academia. Um it those decisions they never go back to. And so you get the product down onto the VFC, the Vaccine for Children program, and the pediatric schedule, and then that triggers the indemnification clause that you're talking about.

Which by the way is different from the one that kicked in with the COVID situation with the PrEP Act. That's that's even worse. But what you end up with, Joe, is a situation where As the vaccine manufacturer, think it, you now have no legalization. You have guaranteed purchase. distribution and marketing because the CDC does all the propaganda. Vaccines are safe and effective. You must take this, right? And then then you end up with and it's in many cases it's school It's not even state.

The states have the right to regulate the practice of medicine, the Federal Government doesn't. That means the CDC can advise that this is the vaccine schedule. And many states, because they don't have the infrastructure, process what's going on. They say, well, if the CDC advises it, then we're going to mandate. Okay. And so you end up in this situation.

where you as a manufacturer get your product on the market, you get it down into this special program, you got guaranteed purchase, guaranteed profit, full indemnification, marketing. Purchase, distribution, all paid for by the taxpayer. And no liability. Oh they don't just go along with it. They are propagandized into believing it.

as of theology. They've administered to exactly. I was gonna say it's religious dogma. They've administered it to their children. They believe in it wholeheartedly. And when someone says something like Vaccines don't cause autism, the whole audience will applaud And you're like, how do you know? How do you know that? Well you're so confident that you're applauding. Well it's because of what I've heard. I've heard it so many times. Of course I believe it. That's what's twisted.

Yeah. And it once you get it by thinking through the vaccine story, I mean you've you've um you're you're ruined. Aaron Powell Well I had Suzanne Humphreys on who wrote uh that book, Dissolve. Uh huh. And you know, th that book is uh a must read for anybody who wants to really understand the history of vaccines and what really happened in terms of the end of pandemic.

And the introduction of these vaccines? Like what actually took place? Oh that that and uh you know, of how prevalent uh um lead was in the population in in the powdered wigs and so many things that we had and then when they got rid of the lead that was concurrent with uh the onset of uh widespread vaccination and so the loss of life associated or the improvement in loss of life and birth outcome.

Associated with getting the lead out of the population, well that's ascribed to the vaccines by the people that are busy marketing vaccines. And likewise the all D T All the work associated with uh uh water sanitation and and all of that. No, that's all true. The first time I to credit where credit's due as a vacuum. The first time I really encountered that

And she said, you know, we've done this deep dive and we've looked at this thing and these these infectious diseases go down before the vaccines come up. Um and yet we're told this narrative. Right. And of course we're told this narrative.

The polio ones are not a little bit more than that. 'Cause when when people are so concerned about polio and polio vaccines and we've we've cured polio, we they're gonna bring back polio if they stop the vaccines. When I tell them what percentage of polio do you think is a and that most people None, right? It's ninety-five to ninety-nine percent of polio is asymptomatic.

And then you find out through Suzanne Humphreys work that they were spraying D D ubiquitously all over the country at the same time. Absolutely. And it gives you the same exact symptoms of paralytic polio. And then subsequently the actual first infections that started occurring in this country were occurring in rural areas where they sprayed D D T

Yes. So one of so there's uh if I can kind of throw another log on the fire on that narrative. One of the cool things that I'm getting to see from my purchase Is people working at the cutting edge of modern genetic uh technology investigations about cosmic? And w one of the things you you talk about this rare incidence of paralytic polio or uh myocardia. Is rare with the vaccine. And yet it happens at a significant rate. It happens more in certain populations than other.

populations. This was heresy at first, and now they were forced to admit it and and uh stay tuned uh later in February. But uh um there's a group that had a big to look at genetic links associated with risk And strangely, halfway through their program during the Biden administration, all their funding got caught. But they still made a lot of progress and they kinda limped along with volunteer stuff. Modern I mentioned the genome costs, uh 300.

So these guys have gone through and they've identified seven genes that represent uh um high risk. Myocarditis after vaccination, by the way, was a major side effect associated with the smallpox vaccines, or one of them. Uh it's it's been associated with vaccines. haven't heard about it and it's particularly bad with ease. But there we it it one of the you know, trying to continue my theme of it's not all dark. One of the things that's coming out is that if we commit to it and do the

Team Kennedy is committed to doing. Um, we may well be able to detect those people that the character genetic characteristics of those people that might have or myocarditis, so that we can have genetic tests and you can have that and determine whether you actually have that risk factor. It looks like, because of the dynamics of clinical research and epidemiology in infectious disease, that um this kind of application of genetic diagnostics

may give us whole new insights into those small populations that that had those rare events. You know, we know the big picture in in COVID and the COVID Of the high-risk individuals with obesity and elderly and basically people with a high inflammatory set point. Uh but now we're getting down into some of the nuances. And I think that that's, you know, I talked about some of the dark. There's some real uh you know, bright sides that

offer hope. Uh in and uh will what will happen is that kind is that um manufacturers and and academic surrogates and others are kinda not gonna be able to continue to hide behind these narratives that they have promoted now for decades. Because uh the true true is gonna come out. It is gonna come out. Um is it gonna come out during this administration? No, to do long-term follow-up studies.

That's that's the unfortunate truth. And then we're gonna have a lot of grief around that. How come you haven't already fill in the blank? Right. Um but uh it's gonna be a good thing. And uh that is another big plus of of what's going on right now, uh kind of behind the scenes at HHS. Uh hogtied. But um I'm I'm optimistic that we're w these narratives that have been promoted, these false narratives, we're going to be able to break them through doing actual science for life.

And and uh this new technology uh is uh particularly with um and identification of of risk correlates the intersection between sequence analysis and epidemiology is gonna really open up uh new Absolutely convinced. What we do about it is that

I mean we can do the science until the cows come home. The public policy part is wicked hard. Yeah. But at least there's some positive developments. Yeah. That's that's that's what I want to say is there is all this dark stuff. Yeah. Uh and and we have to we have to allow our se selves to see it. It's uh you see it and you get the reaction like you did. Uh I I don't want to see that. That's too much. It's too overwhelming. It's too scary. But we look away at our own reaction.

And um and and we have this tendency to say it's all dark. Uh you know, th we have these uh individuals, I mentioned Yuval Harari, You know, believing that man is God now. Uh we have become gods. We have become as gods. Does he actually say that? Yeah. Really? Well but but isn't he talking sort of metaphorically about our technological p potential? He he says a lot of dark stuff. And uh I think so

Um you you probably read the book book. Did you interview the author of of uh Yeah, the Sapiens? Did you read the author of uh Dark Aeon? No. No, I've never read that. So that's so that's talking? kind of the Silicon Valley culture that's pushing transhumanism and how how um integrally it's become uh uh involved in this space. I mean what I I don't have I don't power

and not to say he is or or whomever you want to talk about in that space. That's those I'm that's not my pay grade. Mm-hmm. Uh but my understanding and and I read these things, maybe they're also maybe that's also that a lot of these people, um of let's say the Bill Gates cast and the younger ones associated Uh, would uh are advocates for a world in which they are able to upload their um avatar consciousness in a digital space and live forever.

That's I uh sounds like you know more I mean you're the you're the uh um uh UAP uh guy here, which by the way is another fascinating domain that I'm learning more about more about. Um that's a rabbit hole you go down like, Oh this isn't empty. This is not an empty rabbit hole. There's a lot of money behind this and it seems Yeah. It seems like there's some inventions that sort of that supposedly are connected to back engineering programs.

that there exists a capability that transcends f uh uh physics as we know it. Let's say I Uh and is more aligned with uh hot.

uh that um we can't we don't comprehend Uh and it has to do with extremely high energy systems. And uh I I having I mean I've had some of these guys because I'm now known worldwide as a not And conspiracy theorists. I've had them on my farm, uh, you know, staying at our in our guest house and and um shooting the bull.

and me trying to understand their world and what they're seeing and what they've experienced and and observed and the information Um and uh I'm I'm of the b there's a lot of different models for what

And maybe it's all us, right? That's one model. It's all us uh with with uh secret technology. Um that's one model for the what do they call it? Tic tacs and uh I'm I'm Increasingly convinced by the logic that there is a physics beyond the physics that we know, that is the physics of extremely high energy.

And in high energy systems a lot of the rules about motion and uh tr and uh transportation and matter uh and the ability to cross between matter states that uh and reported by responsible people, uh military folks that have, you know, strong disincentives right for saying this stuff and yet still they're saying that's what I saw.

Okay. Transmedium devices that can fly and then go underwater as fast as they're flying. Yeah. So I I one of the models of that is that this has to do with uh having some Extremely high energy source uh in a very small. And uh is that possible? We're now moving into a new future. Right? We're we're talking about these microfusion reactors that are gonna be powering our data.

all over the world, transforming the whole energy, right? I mean there's this logic in crossing over into the the economics, Bitcoin or kind of space. Uh there's this logic that it all comes down to energy. Uh energy is is the one uh thing that uh fuels economic development and everything around us. And uh the uh I'm I'm not I listen and learn and and it sounds to me like these uh microactivity. And the the technology that was involved strangely in this assassination, remember that bizarre

In in Boston that happened. There was two competing companies. Okay. Yeah, there's something going on there. that's r uh really transformational and if it matures, uh remember Trump is investing That had to do with uh um him kind of leveraging truth social in a strange way. Remember uh he If if we if we emerge into a future within my lifetime probably of these micronukes uh as energy sources decentralized. First driven by the tech bros because they want to have their data.

But then suddenly we have as that matures and the patents come off, we have the ability to put uh power generation in very small packages wherever we want. Suddenly the entire landscape of economic activity and the future. And that's just the beginning. If we push that technology, we may find ourselves in some space where we have the ability to produce extremely large

And and use that, you know, of course it'll be weaponized. Use that for a variety of things. Uh but um I I think the guys driven by the existence of almost point sources of unlimited May make sense out of things that otherwise.

Well, we're in for a very interesting future, one way or another. Yes. Yeah. And it and it doesn't have to be dark and demonic. Hopefully not. Jay make a small correction. That video I showed you apparently isn't real. Went viral. I found it in a New York Post article that kind of said it was real. But But there are plans to do something. I was gonna say which is a little weirder. It says at the bottom this is getting convenient.

Pregnancy robot that was announced in China in twenty twenty five. This though apparently also is not The pregnancy robot is not real? Yeah. Yeah but but the company working on it's not working on it. Nonetheless they are working on artificial work. I we're we're gonna come out so so see if you can find the since you're s so good at Googling or whatever you're doing. Um see if you can find the uh images of uh this uh artificial womb and I believe it's a lamb.

The factory thing, which is obviously AI. It wasn't even a real company that was doing it. Well Robert, thank you so much for being here. I really appreciate it. And uh it was nice. less hostile terms in the world. No. Uh pretty much everything that you said most people are aware of now and then the other things that you're saying they're not far. And I think there's a lot more people that are w more open to receiving information.

And some of it can be attributed to you. Yeah. Uh and of which I'm uh a vehicle have been at times. A lot of the stuff that I shared with you back then was the consequence of a community that I was embedded in, of others physicians and scientists, many of whom were primary care. And I was I was attending weekly meetings with these people.

And I had frontline knowledge of what they were seeing and experiencing. And I had frontline knowledge of the physicians that I was collaborating with uh at Ditra, of what they were experiencing. I was never managing COVID patients. But I knew what others were experiencing, and you gave me an opportunity to give to share their voice through me.

And I thank you for that. It was it was a moment in time and I think we did good. Uh but by God they came at us. It was wild. Well thank you, sir. Thank you very much. I really appreciate it.