Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! The Joe Rogan experience. Everything and nothing at the same time. I was just explaining all the shit that's on this desk. It's like everybody likes to give me something that sits here, which is kind of cool. Like uh Ed Calderon gave me this. It's like a W D forty with a lighter attached to it. You can fucking blast people. Is it like a self-defense? I don't know. He's always got these things, like cartel things.
That looks like 3D printed, yeah. Yeah, I think it is. From two common items. And then um I think it was Luke Caverns gave me this. Is that who gave me this? The m the old mechanic. It's from the old Mechs. Oh, is that what it is? Yeah. And then of course My man John Reeves is always giving me these mammoth things. I got mammoth teeth. A nineteen eleven handle.
Even though do you have any nineteen elevens? No. Yeah. I got twenty elevens. Yeah, of course. It's a it's a huge upgrade. Yeah, but you know, I'm sure it'll probably be able to fit. Yeah. Well you you know what you could do. You could have'em make one for your bow. So you could put the the bone on each side of your bow. Oh, I have that. You have it? Yeah, from uh rattler glip. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Shout out to handsome Rob, the regular grip grips. He always hooks me up. Gives me those uh keep hammering ones. Yeah, those are cool. Yeah, it feels better too. It feels better in the hand. It's interesting, like Hoyt doesn't have a whole lot of op like UltraView doesn't make their their handles for Hoyt, but they make'em for uh Matthews. He he shoots Matthews. But it's a nice handle upgrade. It really does like the way it sits in your hand it really does feel
A little better. Are you still are you still putting them on your your hoit for everyone? The rattle grips. It feels better. And the bone, there's something about the bone, it's more tactile in your hand than Well I've been rapping mine with that camouflage athletic tape. Oh really? Yeah. Bomar sells stuff like that. He sells specific bow grip. Right. It's got a little bit of tackiness to it, but some people think you shouldn't have that. They think your hand should be so relaxed.
that it should be able to slip around your hand so there's like no torque whatsoever in your front hand. I don't like that. I like to feel I I like to feel the the uh dexterity of it, right? I like to have a little bit of relief in the hand in the context of I gotta have some grippiness to it. Just like a baseball bat or any other things. Any even all of the like Glocks and twenty elevens I'll still do an upgrade on the stippling and create a little bit more. But I've also got giant hands for a
a s well, I shouldn't be I shouldn't say I'm small. Like I am two inches taller than the average Asian woman. So I I don't like to brag about it. I don't want to come out with that right away. It just might seem a little bit egotistical. Yeah, but if you um if you do anything I think it's just like whether it's with archery with anything with shooting, it's you just it just has to
register with you. It's not it's not gonna be the same with everybody. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I I know dudes who just can't get used to finger triggers and those other some dudes just love finger triggers. And some guys just have I I shoot'em all, man.
Like I I just have so I got that that dump bag now that I basically I'll wear on the side and then I'll do the the hinge roulette. So I'll just like reach in there. Reach in and then I gotta shoot a hinge or I gotta shoot this. And the only way that's that you don't Or the the mix up part, you've got to shoot the wrist wrap, right? You have to put that on. So you can't just do shooter roulette with all of that. But that's the the wrist strap.
But I love having I've been using the wise guy. I've been ever since our last hunt, I've been only using the wise guy. And I'm used to it now. It took w it took a while. I was like hammering the trigger for a little bit. Like yeah, after the thing is it's like With Archery, once your form breaks down and then you try to compensate'cause you're tired, like I think I should just limit myself to one hour.
And after one hour just stop. So i is that what you're doing every day is basically an hour? Yeah. A little bit more, a little little less. Yeah, w but it's when it's more, it's when things go sideways. Like I'll give myself like a few minutes break to let my arm relax and then I just I'm just it's too much compensating because my arm's tired. Right. And not enough.
Especially'cause the bow's eighty four. Now I got the new one that's ninety pounds. Is that what you're shooting every day? Yeah. You're shooting ninety pounds. Eighty four every day. Eighty four every day. Yeah. I haven't I haven't set up the ninety yet. It's too good archery gun. And then do you are you going out to a hundred plus every day too, or are you sticking eighty five? Eighty five.
As long as there's no no one wandering around. I when people are wandering around I tend to I got you know like this landscapers I I don't do the long bomb. I I've got My uh my wife is re redoing this. little garden house in the back so she won't let me shoot at it anymore'cause she's afraid I'm gonna put a arrow through her little hut that she's making. She's
She's actually doing all the work too. She's got like a tool belt on and she's out there hammering away doors in and everything. She's doing all the work. Wow. So she's like you can no longer use this as your backstop'cause it was just a pile of shit that I could basically shoot arrows at. It's a super bad trade. Yeah, I I need a backstop. You gotta fuck off. Like we were talking about like must-haves for backyards. Like I gotta be I'm I'm not living in a house where I
No. I go out in the backyard. I get my range finder. I bring a range finder when I look at houses. No bullshit. Are you serious? 100%. I've been doing it for the last like six, seven years. Before I bought this house in Austin. Well the bought when I bought the house in Austin is a big yard. I'm like, we're I just had to find a spot. I was like this is at least Have you ever have you ever punched uh?
punch the trigger and put one out in the the river. I I guess you shouldn't tell me. No, we should No, I never shoot towards the river. Because kayakers you never know when some d cause like the kayakers they like to go like real close to the shore. Well yeah. Fuck, that would suck. Oh my god, I'd be in such deep shit. I would never do it. I I wouldn't be
Yeah. Deep shit. Deepest of deep shit. An asshole like me who's always promoting archery, I I shoot a kayaker with a field tip right through the fucking forehead. See some poor lady? Like like a unicorn running through running off the river. Oh God. Oh my God.
But I I very rarely I mean if I'm shooting broadheads I really know where I'm going. Yeah. I don't I don't fuck around. But with field tips I'll I'll launch some bombs. But it's never in an area where there's anything behind me. No. I don't it's I had so I had an archery little archery range in the back of my Salt Lake City building. And every n like and I used to let everybody
use it in the company. And then after you've worked for the company for a while, you'd get your choice. You'd get like a staccato or a rifle or a bow. And then we're doing we still do, right? We still do a lot of better and adaptive athlete shoots and the tactical or tactical games and the total archery challenges. So I've given away a hundred bows probably to the company.
Do you let them pick their brand and the whole deal? No, no, no. We partner we partner with Hoyt on the last batch, and then we partner with PSE. We partner with kind of anybody that's wants to like go in fifty fifty on us, right? Oh good. But then we'll make'em black rifle custom, right? So it's cool camouflage, a little branding on it.
But here's the downside to that. Is when you got a bunch of people shooting in the back and I had a storage facility in the back, there were always arrows in the in this like storage. And so finally my my uh our general counsel came to me and was like, No more. You gotta stop. arrows. So a bandit for everybody except for me. Me, Logan, you know, Matt, basically the people that could uh either absorb the legal fees or at least like explain it away. Well the thing about archery is it's such a
It's it's a skill that one hundred percent degrades. Yeah. Like you have to stay on it. Yeah. And you just can't trust that everyone's staying on it. No. It's it's even hard for me if I take three weeks off or I was I was having that um
a little bit of tendinitis in my left elbow, so I took like a month off after running season. And like you put it back in your hand and it feels almost like a foreign object. I know. It feels horrible. It it's it's just gross until you have at least three or four days of shooting consistently back into the groove, you can't
Put the arrow where you want. It it's just three weeks off. And it feels to me like the more consistent I am in off season, like the entire year. That's the those are the years where I where I'm really shooting my best. You can't just get back on the bow like a month before you have to go hunt. You can't do it. I can't. I know guys that can. Uh guys that I grew up with that have been shooting since you know they were nine.
That's right, but they're really good shots. Imagine how good they would be if they did it all the time. Yeah. Like a guy like Cam, like he's not taking anything. Like he's shooting every day. But that's part he he he takes pleasure in the pain too. He doesn't take time off because he's That would be relaxing. Imagine w just just imagine that. Like Cam Haynes on vacation, his feet up.
You know, drinking on the beach. Is that even like a No that's not even a thing. I've gone on vacation with them. Have you really? Yeah. But when we went vacationing in uh Lanai where we could bow hunt. So we would bow hunt at least once a day'cause Lanai, you know, you've been you've been. It's crazy one of the craziest places on earth. It's great. For people that don't know, there's three thousand people and thirty thousand deer. Yeah.
And they were given uh by uh King Kamea uh to King Kamehameha by the um whoever the head dude was in India. He's like uh gave him a gift of access to that where they came from? I didn't realize that that had that was the actual timeline. Yeah. Yeah. And they're everywhere. They tried they tried to reintroduce them uh try to introduce them to the big eye.
Like I know Shane Dorian was all pumped about it, but then they eradicated'em. People killed them. They said they were invasive. But I think they need to be everywhere they can be. They're delicious. They're the delicious. They're the most delicious. Of course. Next to elk. It's like it's for me it's elk and then But axes are the most challenging to hunt. They're the fastest things I've ever seen in my life. Yeah. They move so fast it doesn't even make sense.
It's like w how are you doing that? You could dodge an arrow from thirty yards away and the arrow's not even close to them when it h when it gets there? I had a female bedded at thirty. And she jumped the string on her bed at 30 yards. That was my first shot. And I realized. Holy shit. Yeah, they're different. I've got to up my game. Well, it's like they evolved with tigers. Oh yeah. Yeah, that's the thing. It's like you gotta
Go. Can you imagine how tough you would be if you get involved with tigers? That would be sick. Well that's the problem with America, period. It's like There's not enough there's too many people running around with zero physical challenges and they're so soft. Like there's a giant percentage of our population that is so soft. And if like if there was like a if the world went nuclear, we lost everything and then it was like hand to hand battle.
Every country could invade America if we ran out of bullets. Once we run out of bullets, every country can fuck us. Yeah. Right. You can walk around. I think well that's you know, w with coffee, right? The best coffee shops are like there's so much stuff on Instagram. It's so funny. 'Cause uh you walk into a coffee shop and if you see the craziest looking freak. It's gonna have the best coffee. But it's just so left wing weirdo fucking
Lip rings. Oh yeah. How many nose rings do you have? How like how many colors do you have in your hair and how many pronouns do you have? Like you're gonna make The greatest espresso I've ever had. And that's the joke, right?'Cause I'll go Cruise around like in Austin for the last couple of weeks. Yeah, you see a dude who's jacked with a hand tattoo, he's gonna make you a bullshit coffee. Like what? He'll make you some cowboy coffee. He's gonna fucking
One of them tin pots that you put on the fire. Take his sock off or something. Like I I I'm good. I'm all set, man. Yeah, I'm all set. Yeah, what is it about baristas? Like how did that become such a left wing safe place? Uh you know, I don't know. I think it I think the origin of it comes from San Francisco, Seattle, right? All the uh We'll say the left wing, left coast.
all of the wokus and yeah, because that also drove most of what I would say is the third and fourth wave. Because there's one, two, three, four basic waves in coffee. But four third and fourth wave are the most recent. And fourth wave would be considered
single origin, very lightly roast coffees, and you've been to these coffee shops. You know what they look like. It takes you fifteen minutes to go get a cup of coffee. They typically won't even talk to you. They look down at the computer screen, but it's
Gonna be decent cop, right? So if you go first wave, which is gonna be like Folgers, Maxwell House, that's like been around for a hundred years. That's a commodity, coffee. It's gonna have Robusta, it's gonna be darker roasted, that's gonna be first wave. And then uh second wave would be experiential. So it'd be more like Starbucks kind of second wave would be experiential dark.
And then third wave would be more artisan, micro lot, single origin. And then fourth wave is kind of a mix of the the best in third wave that really activates your senses in the sense of like now they're doing anaerobics, so they're using things from like wine and beer and they're developing all these different profiles, but that artisan craft The genesis and like San Francisco and Seattle from third wave.
they took on identity polic politics and then drove it through the trade. It's pretty impressive. It's so it's so weird because if you go anywhere, you can get amazing cups of coffee. You're just gonna like wade through the wokeism to go get it. Yeah. I can't go there. No. I was at a a Starbucks the other day and two lesbians walked in, they saw me and they left. What?
That's how bad it was. They said we can't we can't do this. They looked in in my face and they said we can't do this and they left. I was like, I'm a big fan. Yeah. Big fan of your work. Big fan of your work. I had a cup of coffee from Starbucks which I rarely go into but uh was up to my family. And uh it was so bad. A cup of black coffee. It's all I drink, I don't put anything in it. Uh huh. I was like, this is like not drinkable. It tastes like shit.
Which is like everybody throws a bunch of cream in there and a bunch of sugar in there and you get your caffeine and it tastes like what you like. But when y if you just try to just drink coffee at Starbucks, it is such a bad product. And that's that doesn't have to be like that. Well it's a I part of the problem is is over roasted because they know it's gonna have cream and sugar in it. But why over roast it?
Because you can make a consistent profile and it's just consistently very dark and extremely acidic, basically. And that becomes the consistency in the product. Do you think people th have this thing in their head that the darker the coffee is, the stronger it is? Yeah, of course. That's one of the huge misconceptions, right? So like i i it's just bucket the misconceptions in here, which is, you know, coffee is not a bean, it's a fruit.
So it's a cherry and then you roast the pit. So the second one would probably be um the darker you roast something, the more caffeine it's gonna have, which is absolutely not the case. It's the opposite. It's it's completely opposite because you got two genetic strains. You've got Robusta and Arabica. Robusta is smaller bean. It's got more caffeine. It's also more bitter. Arabica probably constitutes probably sixty to seventy percent of the world's coffee, but
it's more flavor, it's got less uh caffeine and it's less acidic in general. And then when you over roast it, You can kind of combine multiple lots, multiple well variants of a radical and then you can consistent you can make this consistent profile. So it consistently sucks. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But if you're gonna put cream and sugar in it Yeah. Nobody cares because they're like, I just need something that's gonna serve as a caffeine.
uh vehicle for my cream and sugar. I know, but wouldn't that be okay if you just had good coffee and did that and didn't burn it? Well I do. I I think that's where third third wave and fourth wave it's more directly related to the quality of the coffee. It's no cream, no sugar. And it's more first and second wave. It's cream and sugar. Because you're you're gonna have to cover up the inconsistencies. Well some people just like it anyway because what they're getting is a treat.
It's not they're not thinking of it as like I'm drinking coffee. Like they're getting a treat. Right. Like if you have order a frappuccino. Yeah. Yeah. There's tons of sugar. Yeah. Tons of caffeine too. You're like sitting in your cubicle. You got like a hundred grams of sugar, two hundred milligrams of caffeine.
You're like you're you're skyrocketing with just energy until you crash and then you need another one in the act. Yeah, and then you're just doing that all day and frying your central nervous system and then when you get out of work you just die. You just go home and s go home and melt on the couch and watch some sports, man. Yeah, your insulin's all fucked up, you're falling asleep.
The coffee the coffee nerd conversations just put half the fucking audience to sleep too. I don't care. I don't care. Yeah, yeah. It's so funny, man. I'll start talking about it. I'm like Uh I should not.'Cause I was a comms guy that
back in in my previous profession, my previous life. And it's so funny because When you talk about communications and just technology in general and you start analyzing like, you know, frequencies and and uh spectrum analyzers or whatever, whatever you want to talk about, people's eyes would just glaze over in the team room.
And I'm like, All right, well you guys wanna go blow some shit up? Like why don't we shift the topic because y you guys don't wanna talk about this. I know you don't wanna hear about it, so in cross training it's just You try to keep people awake basically. This episode is brought to you by Roka.
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Oh yeah. For whatever reason. Even if it's like important technical details that'll help you do things that are exciting. You know, it's it's the g delayed gratification. Right. They're the same type of people that d don't like to do cold plunges or don't like to do certain things that like You're not gonna feel it.
benefit it's gonna suck while you're doing it so you put it off. Like you gotta you've gotta have a mindset that there's some things that suck that will make the things that are exciting way better. Yeah. Like for comics it's writing like sitting down and writing. You know, I was a lot of comics don't want to write. They just want to come out with ideas through the day and then work them out on stage. I'm like, that is great. You can do that.
But you should also write because the ideas that come to you while you're writing, they won't come any other way. And those are like little gifts from the universe. And you the only way you get'em is you gotta sit down with a fucking pad of paper or a computer in front of you and come up with You gotta sit down and start working and let the mind just just slowly but surely pop them out. How how often do you do that?
At least four days a week. For hour, two hours. Yeah, at least at least an hour. I try to write a thousand words. So it it might be an hour, it might be two hours, and then out of those thousand words I'm Right. That's what I was looking for. You're basically looking for arrowheads in a field. You know, you're picking up a giant clump of dirt and you're shaking it out and washing it over and ah god.
So do you try that out on anybody before you actually No, you just like okay this is the audience tells Like your own club, so you can just try to help. You just like drive in. I would go to the store, I would go to the like say if I have a a bit and it's exciting, I'm like, oh I wrote something. That's good. I would go to the improv and then I would go to the store and maybe I go to the ice house. Right. I bang out a few sets. At least two in a night, some w you know, you could travel around.
Like LA was really good for that. Austin's amazing for that. There's seven clubs on my street now. What? Oh yeah. Between my street and the neighboring streets. So you got us and then right down the street is the Sunset Room, which uh Red Band owns, and then right up across from that you got Creek in the Cave, which is awesome.
And then you got the Vulcan, which is right down the street, and there's a bunch of other small rooms. There's the Black Rabbit. There's all these rooms that have comedy at least three or four nights. So if you're like a guy or a girl coming up right now in Austin, you could really work. You could work and they're all paying.
So you're you know, you're collecting fifty bucks here, my club pays more, my club plays the most, but all these different places they pay, you know, like actual money for you to do a set. At the end of the night you got a few hundred bucks.
You can get something to eat. Like there's all these comics that don't have to do the road now. Right. So like they used to just have to do the road to pay their rent and for food. You don't have to do that anymore. You could like stay in town and really build up material and then go out on the road. Is is the material gonna shift? I know it's look regionally you've gotta have
You're you I'm not saying like left or right. I'm just saying does the material have to shift based on where you're at? So if you're in LA Is the crowd a little bit different? The people are gonna be more accepting, less accepting, expect something a little bit different than here. Well the good thing is if they're not
accepting of an idea, maybe you should re examine that idea. And maybe figure out like why am I uh maybe I should figure out a better way to make this idea acceptable. You know, because there's ideas where I'll start it off and it's just like ooh this This isn't going anyway.
And then I'm like, there's gotta be an angle in here and then I'll find a whole nother angle. I'm like, haha. Now I have it. And then I have to find an angle. Like, what if I was a woman and I was watching this and I'm looking at this fucking meathead on stage and I'm like, Okay Like I gotta figure out a way to get them to understand that this 'Cause I look like this, doesn't mean I'm a bad guy. Like like let me like work this into your head first and then explain it from my perspective.
It's funny. Because I look like this. It doesn't mean I'm a bad guy. Well, that's an automatic assumption. Yeah. You know? I mean it's a an untold prejudice that like men with muscles in particular are assholes. Right. Like instantly. Yeah, you're you've got a you've got a very definitive look and then as soon as you open your mouth they're assuming that you're gonna be just the yeah complete asshole. Right. Yeah. A a mean person. Yeah. You know, covered in tattoos.
So cage fighting commentary. I I know that you can craft a joke because you've been doing this for forever, but is there a certain amount of pleasure that you get now from Bombing sometimes. Terrible. Really? I always say bombing on stage like sucking a thousand dicks in front of your mother. But the difference is like there's probably a guy out there that likes
Sucking a thousand dicks is from his sponsors. You made me do this, mom. Come on, mom. 99. There's a guy out there that would like to take some dick. I mean these people are into shit porn and all kinds of nutty things. Yeah, yeah. If you like bombing, you could you're into people shitting in your mouth. Like it's not fun. You don't want people to have a bad time. They're there to have fun. These people work.
They're working all day, they're fucking tired. You want'em to have a good ass time and the only way for them to have a good ass time is for you to do your job. Right. You know, but It's uh it has to sometimes not work well. And there's like this moment when I'm about to do a new bit, I'm like, God, I don't even wanna do this. I don't know where this goes. But I have to. You gotta trot it out there and and hope that you could find an angle.
You don't try those on on your uh like with your wife or she'd be the worst. Yeah. She'd be the worst. She'd just tear you down. She would just stare at me like what what is wrong with you? It's like it w she and I have a very good balance'cause she's so different than me. She's so but has a lot of the same values as me. Yeah. You know, like discipline and she's very smart and she's interested in things. But she we we're very
Well it it's so funny'cause my wife and I walk around, right? And I'm a very amateur comedian just around my friends. I try to I try really hard, right? I'm not even close. I'm just like you know, I specialize in stupid shit that I say. Basically. That's where I'm going with this. And she when I get her to laugh, that's like that means way more to me than than like but my friends, sure, I can make them laugh. Like I can make my employees laugh. I kinda pay'em to maybe.
But like when my wife laughs, that means it's fucking funny. That's legit like it means it means something, right? It it's like it's legit. She's like a one person crowd, right? So we were walking around I was talking about Have you seen that Burt Kreitcher Freebert? Have you seen his new series? I've only seen the trailers, but everybody that saw it loves it. It's so it's it's really funny, man. Like
And so I I was like, We should watch this, you should check it out. She watched like five minutes. She's like, This is such a dude show. Fuck you. I've never watched this. But it's the same. It's like what I wanna watch and I think is funny. She's like, absolutely not. But then she's wants to watch some like true crime thing around a you know, a dude that killed his wife. And I'm like They love They love it. Why do they love that?
It's so weird. It's like genetic that they love it,'cause my kids love those shows. They love serial killer expose shows and all these true crimes. And I don't like any of that. I was talking to my daughter about it and she said because girls don't do things like this, so we kind of want to see like what's going on in a man's mind that makes him it's a such a mystery. You know what I'm saying? Like it's such a mystery.
Like most men can imagine a scenario where there's a bunch of people that did some horrible shit in a room and you just go in there and Fucking kill all of'em. Yeah. Most men most men can say, Oh yeah, there's a place. There's a place. Like if someone did something and I knew they did something and they're in that room and they need to go, they need to go. Right. Most women can't think.
that they don't they don't think like that. It's not inside their head. And then there's the darkness of it. Like these aren't men that are doing something to someone who deserves it. They're just doing it to vulnerable They're just evil creatures who just want to go out and hunt vulnerable people. And I think women want to know that there are men like that out there that are so different than them so they can put it in their head. Like, okay
Serial killers are real. Right. Like these uh true crime shows have showed me this and I wanna know like what to look for. Right.
That's what I think. Whereas have you ever spent a second of your life in fear or fearing a serial killer? Not really. No. No. It's not a realistic fear. But If I was at a truck stop and there was some fucking shady dude that came into the bathroom after me and he was like waiting outside and it didn't look like he needed to use the bathroom, I'd be a hundred percent on guard.
Like uh there's people that will just randomly kill people just for a thrill and get away with it. And I think there's way more of them getting away with it than they'd like us to know. Like here's a here's a good example. In Austin. What is the actual number of people who have uh bodies that have been found in late put put this into our wonderful sponsor, Perplexity.
before it becomes the digital god that takes over the universe, this AI. Um what are the numbers of people that uh have been found drowned in Ladybird Lake over the last three years? It's something crazy. Is it really? Yeah, it's like thirty. I thought this was just a funny joke for Tony to talk about landing in the real thing. No, no, no, no. It's real. Right. It's real. So the cops don't want to say it's a serious.
They think there's it's'cause it's over by Rainy Street, a lot of people are partying. But there's the bodies keep piling up. Thirty eight. What? Yeah. And they they want to say it's not a serial killer? Twenty twenty two. Data showing at least thirty eight bodies found in or around Ladybird Lake. Um separate map based analysis of uh Ladybird Lake, deaths, downtown area reports, four deaths in twenty twenty two, five in twenty twenty-three, five in twenty twenty four, two in twenty twenty-five.
The so this is downtown area? These map numbers focus on a specific stretch of the lake, while the thirty-eight body figures covers all bodies found in or around the lake in that period. Right, run on Rainy Street. Yeah. Or other parts of the lake. These guys get drunk and they end up
passing out in the water. I mean, w all you would have to do is get someone drunk enough where you could hold them underwater. Yeah. It's not I mean, if you were a guy who wasn't drinking or you had a really good tolerance or you're a big person No evidence of serial murderer says the patterns match typical accidental drowning risks, young adult men, nightlife, easy water access.
Or some guy was drowning gay guys. Could be. Because a lot of them are gay. Like a giant percentage of these guys are gay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it's near a gay area. Uh the gay Rainy Street is like the party area where there's a lot of gay bars. That's why it's such a funny joke for Tony. Yeah. Well it's it's a weird thing, man. It's a weird thing because at what point in time does someone have to get caught before they say, Oh Jesus, these these weren't just a coincidence.
Someone was drowning people.'Cause I don't think it was a common thing. I think like, you know, you maybe get one a year, some fucking drunk hops off a boat and doesn't know what he's doing and drowns. That does happen. But this is not that. This is way more. Thirty-eight bodies in a few years is kind of kook.
Well and how many of those if you think about it right, how many serial killers are out there?'Cause the FBI obviously they've done the analysis on it. There's probably like a a hundred, two hundred, three hundred Always. There's always, yeah. Always has been. And it most of them, well I'll say Yeah, I wanted to get caught or yeah, it took you long enough. Like I was I was getting sloppy, right? My murder lust took over before you I there was two hundred since two thousand and four. So What
Oh my god. Autopsy report found alcohol present in a large share of the cases, sometimes at levels above the legal driving lim, which is not much, by the way. The legal driving minute limit is like two drinks. And police specifically describe most rainy street area drownings as alcohol or drug related. I've heard a lot, too many cases. Never in a city of the city.
Yeah. No, I I think it's I don't think it's uh specific to here. I think it's everywhere. It's G H B I think is a lot of it. People are dosing people up with G H B. That's a big one. What's the how many serial killer? Let's guess. I'm gonna say ten. You think ten? Yeah. I think a hundred. Whoa. Yeah. I'm going a hundred. This is like a wheel of fortune type scenario. Yeah, man. Holy shit. A hundred's nuts. If it's a hundred I think it's a hundred. It's got Interesting.
Twenty five to fifty at any given time. Range reflects killers who have committed at least two murders. With a cooling off period and are still operating undetected. I like the cooling off period. Maybe I'd take a break. Scrubbing the fucking blood out of the inside of your fingernails. Serial killings make up less than one percent of US homicides overall.
Numbers peaked at around three hundred in the nineteen seventies and nineteen eighties. There was three hundred active serial killers in the seventies and the eighties. W I bet that was because that was when it was like son of Sam, you know was like trendy? Yeah. I think it was probably a lot of bored dudes who just didn't like working in an office. Like Ted Bundy and son of Sam, all those guys were like the green. All over the news. All over the news. Yeah. It was huge.
Världens godaste börjare med keddar, piclad drödlök och en legendarisk kurshovangshås. Kanske med saftigt svensk nötköt. Leverera direkt i bilen. W why are there fewer serial killers now than there used to be? What was the answer? Well yeah,'cause you think about all the technology and the surveillance, like you get rolled up. Yeah. Well I think the creepiest one was that dude who studied um serial killers in college and then went and killed those girls at that dorm house.
You never you know that story? Well, was that in Seattle? I think it was Idaho, but it was Ted Bundy, right? No, no, no. Recent one. Different? Oh, it was recent. Recent, yeah. Um He knew the people that lived there. Uh he studied what did he study exactly? In college. Oh. Yeah, this guy. This fucking creep. He r h horrific new details about the final moments of the four University of Ohio Idaho stabbing victims.
I didn't realize that was like the case from Moscow. Yeah. That's crazy. Jesus Christ. Yeah. This sick fuck. So this guy, he was studying it in college. So I forget what criminal justice uh Let's see if uh we could find out. But it was very clear that he had been planning this a long time. And there was also a possible connection to him and some murders from the Pacific Northwest.
that they he knew the people the people died in a kind of a similar way. He might have gotten away with it up there. Right. So he tried it up there. Oh my gosh. Oh that makes sense. It does. He's educating himself on how to get away with it. He was that guy that if uh you had your comms class He'd be sitting there like this. He's like way into it. Yeah, way into it. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. He wanna know all the details. Pacific Northwest is like that's a spot. These guys love it.
I don't know if it's like the rain, you know, like Well we had a lady that was connecting it. She came on the podcast and she was connecting a bunch of serial killers from a very specific area that did a lot of it was mining, right? Wasn't it mining and the the the uh industrial pollution? Oh so it's like increased increased lead or something, right? What was the the the the processing of it? Like oh the What are those the when they're burning it? Yeah. What's that called? Leeching.
Yeah, it was lead, but it was other stuff. It was other stuff like there's arsenic in it and there's a lot of sh but what what am I looking for? Not what is it what why why can't I come up with that term? The plants where they burn all the shit. Power plants. What what's the term? Caroline Fraser was her name though. What's her name? Caroline Fraser. Yeah, maybe maybe Paul would know if he got stamints on here and she could talk about he could talk about the mushroom or the fungi in the Pacific.
Maybe it has something to do with uh I don't think so. I think that that'll probably stop'em from doing it. But her take was that there was all these uh places what a minute what is the term I'm looking for where they incinerate shit like a power plant, like a coal plant. There's a term. I can't remember what it is. Anyway, um they're releasing an incredible amount of toxins in the atmosphere.
And a lot of the shit is coming down in rain, it's getting in the ground, all the ground around there is all polluted. Right. Everything's polluted. And so what her take is that all these people have suffered chemical pollution And a lot of that chemical pollution leads to all sorts of weird psychological disorders and psychosis and all kinds of shit, depending upon the levels of exposure.
So this is why you have an increase to serial killers in the Pacific Northwest? This is what you're saying. Coal plants and smelting and th you know, just a lot of mining. There's a lot of m mineral rich resources up there and So I should be concerned'cause I spent the most of my life up there. Well half of it at least. Yeah. It depends. I think now they've cleaned it up though.
Like she was connecting it to a long time ago. But there's areas back there where she was saying that they they do an analysis of the soil and it's just completely fucked. How long has it been since you've done like Seattle? I did the Tacoma Dome with Dave Chappelle. We did that right before the pandemic popped. Oh, okay. And I really have Uh it's just like once that whole Chaz thing went down and they locked off the block and the mayor said maybe it's the summer of love. Uh oh
Or or maybe you've got some fucking crazy people that you've empowered to take over a giant swath of your city and you're cool with it. And you're the fucking mayor. And by the way, she is an upgrade. compared to their current mayor. The current mayor is the that choice is insane. Woman who's never held a real job. She's been living with her parents. She's forty. They pay her bill.
She's a socialist. She rides a bike. She's even on a car. And now she's in charge of what a seven billion dollar budget? Like what is That makes sense. I uh two thumbs up, Seattle. Congratulations. You've de Wade you've done a great job. I don't know where those places go. Those places that have gone like full into Wokeville. Like a buddy of mine just went to Portland and he was like, Bro, it's bananas. It's like a complete mental asylum like spilled out onto the streets.
Not just the campers, not just the open air drug users everywhere because for a long time they decriminalized everything in Portland. So everybody ramped it up a notch and moved to Portland because that was a place where you could do drugs and not worry about anything. But he he was like all the regular people are crap. Oh it was fucking great. It was one of my favorite places to visit. Cool people. And then you saw this flip.
And it was right around two thousand ten is when things really flipped over and that to your point, they had your car was your domicile so you couldn't get a parking ticket. So you could basically live in front of somebody's house in a parking spot and they couldn't ride a parking ticket. Did that start in two thousand ten? Give it give or take a couple of years.
And so I went back to my my I I had a house up there for a while and the the week, the day I decided that I was gonna sell this place. Like we fly up there, I've got my
daughter, she's like a year old. My wife and I are walking down the street. And this is a part of the city is called Ballard, which is beautiful part of the city, tons of like old bars. Awesome place. Back late nineties, early But then there was a camper in front of my condo and then there was a naked man with a tennis racket with his
The f my daughter's a year old his dick's flying around and my my my one year old's like I'm holding her like walking away from the other end. He's got a tennis racket, he's like playing the US open in his head, whatever he's doing. And then On the corner, no less than fifty feet away, there was a half naked lady like taking a shit. And you're like, nah, time to leave. I think this is uh I think we're we're all good here.
We had an issue like that in California for a while. Oh yeah. Where um when the economy started to go south, now this is pre pandemic as well. We started having these campers camp out right in front of our studio. And they would uh the studio where we had in LA, even in that place, it was the warehouse. We had a big lawn in front of the warehouse and these guys would spread out.
on the lawn. So they would park their camper there and then they would like cook out and they would lay out and so like you're in this build you're asking people to walk past these people to go do your podcast. In this big ass warehouse that I had leased.
And I was like, Why are you doing this? Like you can't be doing this. You can't just use my lawn as your front yard. Like this is crazy. I mean spread out, dude. They had shit laying out there and all. There's nothing you can do. Well yeah there was. Oh really? Yeah, we contacted the police. And the police eventually they realized this is not a good thing and they moved them all. But they moved them to different parts of town. And so then you would drive to like the more industrial areas.
That didn't like our place was like semi industrial. There was a bunch of warehouses, but there was also a bunch of like foot traffic businesses, restaurants and stuff like that. And so they moved them out of there. But if you go into the deeper industrial places where they have factories and stuff, they were they were there. Like whole blocks of'em where you just have campers laying out and just
Open meth smoking. These people are just full on meth heads that had just started a community of fellow meth enthusiasts. With campers. And a lot of their campers didn't even run. They could just get it to the spot wherever it was.
And then they would steal power, you know, and every now and then the dude would die'cause he like didn't know how to do the wires right and he'd get cooked. Yeah, that's right. It's it's the same where where we were at in Salt Lake, I'd have full time security out in front of the my Literally in front of the building. It was like if we left at night and someone broke in, it would take fucking forever for cops to show up and do something about it.
And so I was like you can't just you just can't have these guys knowing that like famous people and you know, high profile people are gonna be at that spot and you've got like open meth smoke. Right in front of the place. Like this is too crazy. Yeah. They're too i too unpredictable. You know, I look I don't care if you live in your truck, it's probably cool. If you're a guy who's like
you've checked out of society essentially and you just like playing pickleball all day and you live in a camper. Who cares? Could go ahead and do that. But once you start engaging in meth smoking and then it's always the Theft comes with meth smoke. And there's a lot of break ins in the area and it was it got to a point where the cops had to do something. So credit to them that they did.
It's almost the difference between hashtag van life and hashtag meth life. Yeah. There's a big difference. Right. Van life is like you want to be a guy who's not Saddled down to one particular spot. You have a place that's in this van that has a bed, you have a little tiny kitchen area, you have a little portable fridge. It's all you need. I don't need a fucking house. Just travel around. It's probably fun. Yeah.
The freedom of it, you know? Like Alex Honnold, that crazy dude that just climbed that tower in in uh Chinese Taipei, he uh used to live like that for a long time. He had a big van, he would park it in his friend's driveway sometimes and he would just travel to trailheads and live out
Live out of his van. That's like the the minimalist attraction, right? Where you're like, I I don't have anything other than what's in my van or on my back where life is simple. I don't have to organize anything. I can stay focused. I I I think that's a it's an interesting thought exercise, especially when you're younger. You're like, okay, cool, I can wrap my head around that.
Yeah. And it's completely respectable. A lot of these hippies, uh, shouldn't say that in the context of like hippie dance around with flowers in my hair, a lot of these like climber crunchy guys, they are hard committed, like bad mofos. Oh when they're Yeah, when they're living on dog food, like there's this great story about the founder of Patagonia.
where he went to the store, he was climbing L cap and I'm trying to recall a story from Outside magazine from, you know, twenty years ago, but in general circumstance it's what it is. where he went to the store, he's gonna be climbing L Cap for months and he's just working on a specific route and he went to the store to buy food. He only had a hundred bucks or whatever it was and dog food was less expensive and he was like meh
I can live on that. And he bought dog food and lived on dog food. And just live on Killing. And yeah, so he could climb and stay out there under bunker. His farts were like Bro. Like you wouldn't want to be Behind that on his route, right? He would not want to be climbing behind that guy, I'll tell you that. Because I stopped giving my dog regular dog food a long time ago.
But when he was younger, uh, all my dogs, I would just buy the most expensive dry dog food. It was like, Oh, this stuff is good. And then somewhere along the line it clicked. I was like, wait. Why how can it sit there? How can it just sit in that bag for a month? That's crazy. How can it sit on the shelf for years? That's nuts. That can't be good for us.
And then I started feeding them frozen food and then they like that. But then I switched to farmer's dog which is human grade food which is lightly cooked. They fucking love it. That stuff I would Like you smell it, it smells like food. It doesn't smell disgusting. Right. But regular dog food is fucking terrible for a dog. It's not good for it.
So if you have to eat that stuff, that kibble stuff, and you're gonna travel around your gut must be going like, What are you doing? What kind of chemical What kind of preservatives are they just nuking your gut biome? The la the level I I but I I love the level of commitment. Oh I love like when people drift over into
like crazy. Yeah. To where their level of commitment and their passion like translates directly into nothing else exists in their life where they're willing to live on dog food to do the thing that they they love. Fun. That to me is like You're you're you're an extremist and I respect it. No, I can respect that. Yeah. Do you ever see that movie Dirtbag? No. Um, pull up that movie Dirtbag. It's a great movie. It's about a guy who d essentially did that till he was dead.
This guy just camped out on the ground in front of his friends' houses. Uh most of the time didn't have a car, but just would just just climb. That's all he did. He was always mooching off people. And he had very detail what was the dude's name? Fred Becky. The dude's a legend. So he had been doing this from, you know, the nineteen fucking fifties. Like he was an old ass man. Look at the gnarled hands.
Look at his fucking hands from just climbing. Imagine if that guy got a hold of your dick. They just rip it right off. Do you know who Mark Twite is? No. Okay, so Mark Twite Look at this fucking guy. He was I mean one of the like foremost names in Alpineering. Like he's he's written several books on it. He wrote a book called Kiss or Kill Confessions of a Serial Climber back in the day. Very, very similar. Like
In the context of I would imagine the the psychological makeup. And he started a a a gym called Jim Jones back in the day. And like it was w where a bunch of people you had it was invite only, so y you could only get invited. And it was like a lot of special operations guys.
CIA guys and professional climbers, like everybody that was trying to push the envelope physically, would go out and train with Mark. And uh I've been friends with him for years, but anything Mark does He moves from like I'm gonna be the best climber, like alpineering. I'm gonna be the subject matter expert. He was a professional, uh
He shot Ipsick for a while, so he's a professional, you know, pistol shooter for a while, he's a professional climber, and now he's a photographer, writer. But everything he does, he does it to a level of perfection that it probably drives everybody else in his life beneath.
Like he's fascinating. He's a fascinating human. Those people that go really to the outer level of whatever's possible with whatever the fuck they're doing are always fascinating. Yeah.'Cause it makes you go, I don't know if I wanna do. Like what is the sacrifice? to get really good at rock climbing, you never have kids, you never have a life, you never have a child. Like this this dirtbag guy, like everyone around him both admired him and felt sad.
Right.'Cause like he died a dirtbag. He never had a family and it's like all his ex girlfriends talking about how an interesting guy he was. He was really fun, but eventually I had a Fucking move on. Like this dude all he wanted to do was like sleep on the ground and get up and start climbing rocks his whole life. But there's I if you think about everybody around us in the in their profession or their thing, right?
you're at the apex of a your professional your your profession and your level of commitment, I'm not like boosting you up, I'm just saying like your level of commitment is unparalleled to a huge percentage of other people. So you have a portion of whatever that is.
And there are all these other people that have that thing where their pursuit of passion around that specific profession or product, whatever it might be, they're so committed to it that it takes over. It's all consuming. Like I mean I've seen it because when even when you go play pool, I'm like the when we were in Vegas uh a couple of months ago, they were like, Oh, we're going to play pool I'm like
He's gonna be there till like six o'clock in the morning. I I'm not gonna do that. And Green Tree was like he was, he was there till like six o'clock in the morning. He played for eight hours straight. I was like, Yeah, I could see the writing on the wall. I'm I'm out of here. The pool is my number one problem. That's the my biggest one. Really? Yeah. That's the one where if I if I ever wanted to not do anything else, I would just become a professional pool player.
If I just said, Okay, I am done I'm done podcasting, I'm done with the UFC, I'm done with everything. I'm just gonna travel around Huh. I could I could go crazy. I could go crazy and just do that one hundred. Is it just the the the game fascinates you, the the angles, the the ability to like Just continue to evolve within that all the time. You can't ever be the best. But to be really good requires
this level of laser focus and concentration and an understanding of what's going on. I mean you're taking a stick and you're hitting a ball into another ball with pinpoint accuracy. into a pocket that is on my table it's four and a quarter inch So you've got the cube the ball, the object ball, which is about that big, and then you got that much space on each side. Just a tiny little space on each side, and you gotta slip it through there. Oftentimes
eight feet away, seven feet away, six feet away with English. So you're putting spin on the cue ball, which imparts a throw on the object ball. So if I put right hand spin on the cue ball and I hit the object ball, I have to calculate
for the fact that it's gonna throw the object ball slightly to the left because of the right hand spin, because it clings to the ball a little bit and shoots so all this is playing in my head. And then I have to have it at a speed where once the cue ball then collides with the object ball pockets it Then it's gotta go one, two, three rails for perfect position on the next one.
And I have to have an angle. I have to make sure that I have an angle for the following ball. Right. And you don't want to be trapped on the rails. You want to be off the rail. It's like all these different things. You can't think about anything else. Your mind has to be clean. It cleans your mind. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Look, there's a lot of pressure when it comes to dating, especially in February, but you're putting too much on yourself and on your partner.
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Coaching. Coaching. Guys who've come out like the best in the world have come out and played with you. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. How do you hold up? Like what's your Well, I can never beat them. Right. Uh but I beat them some games. I I can break and run out. So I I'll break and run out one, two games in a row sometimes and but They'll make so like w if you have like a a score of uh actors
It's cool, like a Fargo rating. It's based on a thousand points is you never miss. Uh I'm in like the seven hundred on a good day, seven fifty. But a real world class pro is in the eight hundred bucks. Like um Fedor Gorst is probably like eight fifty, Joshua Filler's probably like a little higher than that. They get into this rate where they so rarely miss. And again, they're playing on four inch pockets, which is like a quarter inch smaller than the pockets I'm playing.
Although they are playing on new claw. Which helps a lot. Makes things more slippery. They fall in more. More worn out cloth. Like when it's broken in for a couple of weeks it gets tough. Really? Yeah, yeah. The the cloth gets a little less slick and you gotta hit a ball a little bit more pure. But on the plus side English takes better.
So when you play with these guys, is it one of those things where they like instantly humble you in the context of you start feeling I'm really confident my game and then you Step in. No, not really no. There's not that big of a delta between a gap. I mean they're just way better. But it's it's a lot of it is just time. They spend eight hours a day playing every day. If I spent eight hours a day playing every day, I think I could play at a perfect.
I wouldn't be able to beat the best guys. No. I would never be able to beat like the coping chungs and the the the guys that are at the very top top.'Cause those guys have been playing eight hours a day for day. They never Annually in tournaments. Now more than ever. Really? Yeah, because of match room pool. So match room, the same company that Eddie Hearn owns that does a lot of boxing promotions, they're involved in a lot of sports.
They've done an amazing job with pool, specifically with nine ball. And they they put on these huge tournaments. Saudi Arabia has a big They have this big world championship where they pay a ton of money. And so, you know, a good player like a top of the heat player is making half a million dollars
Okay. And then also endorsements. So they have endorsements like companies like Predator Qs pay them and QTech and all those different companies pay them X amount of dollars per year. They have a sponsor for the chalk they use. They have a sponsor for So what's the difference then between what is it, Snooker? It's a big table. It's a twelve by six as opposed to a four and a half by nine. So it's a much bigger table. But the balls are smaller as well. And then their cues have
tiny little tips on'em. They all play with ash cues, which is like uh a a very stiff wood and they play with like a solid wood cue. Whereas a lot of like pro pool players have switched to carbon fiber now. They play with carbon fiber cues. 'Cause it's like it move it's a little bit more dense so it moves the ball differently. Is it fine? Have you played it? Snooker? Yeah. I played it when I was in Scotland a little bit.
Uh but I only played by myself. There was just a table and I was just whacking balls around. It's very difficult to pocket balls. But I don't even really understand the rules. I would have to really pay attention. I watch it a little bit sometimes because I know how hard it is. to do what they're doing'cause you you do have this enormous table. Their cloth is a lot slower too. It's a it's not as slick of a cloth.
So is it it's gotta be older then, right? Is it a little bit more than that? Oh it's way it's old. Snooker's old. Um so the original billiards game had no The original billiards game was three cushioned billiards or bulk. There's a bunch of different games. We play on a table, like say if it was like this table, there's no pockets in it and there's just rubber rails all around it. And it's all about knocking one ball into the other ball, going three rails and then colliding with the third.
Yeah, it's just about scoring points. I've watched a bunch of that online too'cause it helps you understand angles like as you go into a rail. 'Cause the angles change depending upon how much English you put on it, how hard you hit it, whether you hit it with follow or draw. There's a bunch of different like parts of the cue ball that you can contact with that radically changes the way the ball moves around on the ball. So it's like you're calculating
So many different things. There's geometry involved, there's touch and feel, there's like all these factors that come into play when you're playing really well. So that explains why archery is also somewhat of a fascination then, because you have very similar aspects to archery and pool that directly translate. That's like Why those things snap together real well for you? Oh for me they're they're hand in hand. They're they're they're basically the same
It's basically the same thing. You're just doing it in a different way. You know, you're it's the same thing, it's like having everything just flowing together perfectly after like Years and years and years of meticulous practice and then it starts to come together. And then you pull that group out and it's nice and tight, like sixty-five yards, like yeah. You got it dialed in. It's that feeling. And it's the same thing, it was the world goes away.
There is no room for anything when you're about to pull that trigger. Whether it's in pool, when you're about to make the shot, or whether it's an archery, there's no room for anything. That's what I like. I also like that there's no bullshit. There's no shenanigans. There's no personality. Right. There's not nothing matters. Nothing matters. Did the ball go in the hole? If it didn't you lose. If it did you win. It's really clean. I like
Yeah, I like that's the thing I love about like like shooting just in general. Like If I'm hitting a target, it doesn't matter. I took my kids to the arcade the other day. And uh Ski Ball. Oh yeah, I love ski ball. I can like spend an hour on that thing just like trying to get the perfect lob in there. And it's it's like I used to tell people I'm like, I'm just a projectile enthusiast where
I I love hitting center mass of whatever target. I'm still a six year old kid with my baby gun, right? It's like at the end of the day, now it my tools are are you know, much more advanced and I've got, you know, the millions of dollars of government funded training behind me so I'm a little bit more effective at hitting what I want to shoot at. But it still has the same the same exact feeling. Like
If you're six years old hitting a popcorn with your B B gun or wringing a piece of steel at a mile with a rifle or hitting a, you know, the the heart of a foam elk in your backyard, it's the same, dude. It translates and it like pulls you into something that's like pure, I guess. It is pure and it's also a really good mind exercise. Just like
You know, when you work out, you're cleaning your mind. There's a lot of what working out is is not just physical, it's mental clarity. You uh relax the mind, you calm the mind through hard exercise. And there's something where you're calming your mind through shooting. Because it requires so much of you, everything else just gets p get the fuck out of the way.
Bills, this, that, you know, oh I gotta call that guy. I don't wanna call him. Fuck, I gotta deal with this thing. Oh, that's falling apart. This deal sucks. It all goes away. It has to go away. If it doesn't go away, you miss. And then you go, fuck, why did I miss? Um you miss because you're distracted. Like, let's focus. Put the fucking arrow on the knock, you know, put it in there, draw it back, center it, calm, relax.
At that moment, like at that moment, there is nothing else in your fucking head. There's nothing. And then thwack and it goes in there, thugh, you get This nice burst of happiness when you watch that fucking arrow just drop right in exactly where you want it to. Pull the arrows and you go right back and start it again. And at the end of that practice I feel wicked.
I just always feel better. I always feel clearer. My my head works better. It's just like it's a focused exercise with ex which excites all your synapses. And then on top of that, it's a mental clearing thing. Like Fred Barry's. Like something about I forget the quote, but it's something about there's nothing like shooting a bow that clears a man's mind.
There's something about archery in particular that just cleans your mind. Yeah, I I I a hundred percent agree. I I used to have this tradbow, which that's how I started. Have I told you the story? Like So I'd stuff the old coffee bags, the burlap coffee bags. I'd stuff them up and fill them up and then I started shooting a trad bow originally while the roasting cycle takes about eight eight and a half minutes.
So I couldn't really do anything. I'm like watching the you know, coffee roast which is just tumbling in a big dry. And so I'd just shoot a trad bow in the back to try s focus something other than the business, uh, you know, family, whatever it is, I could just shoot my trad bow and then uh Dudley was like
Why do you shoot that thing? It's so stupid. Like, don't you like to hit what you shoot at? And I'm like, I'm just doing it for fun, man. Like, you know, I'm I'm a happy go lucky guy. I just want to like active form of meditation. But what What I did realize was it was such a pure to your point it would flush out all this negative shit that I was like either working through or dealing dealing with. That's like So being able to translate that to other people, especially veterans, huge.
huge transformation for guys. Because they can go out, it's quiet. It's a subculture they can be part of. They can geek out on all the New gear and arrowheads. wade into the infinite never ending debate around bullshit around cutting surface area and fucking
you know, mass and velocity and like you'll never get tired because it's like full of its own little drama and it's like a bunch of nerd shit that you can actually have a lot of fun with. So much nerd shit. That's what people don't know You know, and they don't expect nerd shit, like real complicated technical nerd shit from art.
You don't think of it that way. But it's like many things. Like once you get into it you realize like, Oh, this thing there's a learning curve to this motherfucker. There's a lot involved. Like whenever one of my friends is like, I wanna go bow hunting, I'm like Do you really? Are you sure? Like don't tell me you like It's not that you gotta dive in off of a cliff. This is not like I'm gonna go dip my waters into bow hunting. I wanna go shoot an elf.
Like Jesus Christ, do you know how hard that is to do? You have fucking there's so many moving parts, there's so many thing you have to be able to be proficient under extreme stress. There's so much going on there, man. Don't tell me you want to do that unless you You gotta s you gotta show me.
Before I get involved, take me bow hunting. That's not happening. You're not gonna be stomping on twigs near me and you're not gonna be going you're not gonna be not checking the wind. All these things are not going to happen. Well they they like the idea. Right. Like they like and there's plenty of people, they're like they're they're they're window shoppers.
in this activity. Right. They're like they're walking by and they're like, that looks cool. Right. But they don't like the realities of what it actually takes because it's so fucking hard. And it like ruins you a lot of times. Like I mean in the last few years We've hunted enough together. Like, dude, I've been psychologically ruined by like shooting something or making a bad shot or like just devastating. Missing like Yeah. It's like you can't figure out why you miss.
No. And then you're you're running through it a thousand a thousand times. Like, what did I do? Okay, how do I do better? And then you're like, Okay. But you're the kind of guy that does that, that does the process in your head and then improves and keeps getting better. For some people that that will ruin their life. Like the one bad thing that happens will ruin their fucking life.
Because they spent all these months preparing, they paid for a tag, they hired an outfitter and then phlunk dunk dunked the shot and fucking ruined their whole week and then they go back home. How'd your hunt go? Oh I miss You know like or I wounded it. Well and it's and it's a it's a it's a lesson in life. Like you can work Harder than you've ever worked. And still fill. And still fill. Yeah. You can work for a decade of your life. You can shoot and shoot and train and train.
And you can put in all the work and still fuck it up. And there's guys who in the same situation as you would succeed. Yeah. So you gotta figure out what's what are they doing different, why are they better? Keep in and keep getting better. Like
There's hunts that I've been successful on recently, you know, within the last few years that I know that if I had that same hunt eight, nine years ago, I probably would have not been able to make that shot. Right. I'm not I wasn't as good then. So I've gotten better. It's like I think everybody needs something that you can't master, that is hard to do, that that cleans your mind.
I think people need stuff to clean their mind and I think that's why so many people are running around all fucked up because you're looking at social media all day, so that gives you anxiety. Your w your life is not satisfying, so that gives you anything.
Everybody's just mentally all fucked up. And so you go to a doctor and the doctor says, Well, you know, you obviously you're dealing with depression and uh I can prescribe to you this or that or the other and then you're on Lexapro or whatever the fuck you're on. And that's the road they go down and This is a bad road.
It's not a road where you're gonna improve your life and there's other ways to do it. And I think there'd be a lot more happy people in this world if you found a thing. It doesn't have to be archery, it doesn't have to be pool, it doesn't have to be jujitsu, it doesn't have to be pistol shooting. It just has to be something that's hard to do. That you are on this quest to c make these incremental improvements. And through that,
focus of incremental improvements, you imp improve your human potential. You you improve your per your ability as a person to do difficult ta and to handle situations. So I always tell people if you do jujitsu you'll be much happier because The the stresses of life or nothing compared to a a dude who's trying to literally break your arm. Right. He's on top of you and you're defending and then you get out of it and then you get him or he gets you and then you have to tap and you go over again.
That is so hard to do that like regular life becomes like a breeze. It becomes a breeze. It makes everything jujitsu people are some of the most relaxed people I've ever been around in my life. They're all friendly to everybody. They're never talking shit or causing drama or problems. They get it all out.
Yeah, they I think I think there's something uh about getting the shit kicked out of yourself too, right? So like there's something about facing someone which I don't do jujitsu just you know, as a caveat to that. But being able to like face another person in a scenario and then compete against them. Yeah. So where everything counts and then
Literally just getting the shit beat out of yourself and going, Okay, well I'm gonna step back up, I'm gonna do it again, right? Yeah, and get better. That level of Teaching yourself mental endurance, like that is the thing that I constantly think about my kids. Like I'm like, how do I be compassionate, caring, loving, you know, the dad that wants to give them everything. And then how do you like translate that into also creating obstacles that will drive
mental courage. Right. Just I think you do it by example. I think that's the best way. Yeah. Uh my opinion is like if you look at Cam Haynes' sons, I mean he was rough raising his kids. He talks about that. But Uh those kids are exceptional. They're fucking accepted. Yeah. He's fucking got two savage kids. And why why? Well, what look at the environment they grew up in.
Right. They grew up in a with a dad who's supremely disciplined. And just by being in his presence, you realize like, oh, uh I can achieve a lot more than other people can if I'm just willing to put in that work. And for a lot of people that
that feeling that feeling of like this the anxiety of the struggle and of grinding it out and like that scares them and they don't want to do it. And so they come up in excuses or they retreat into other things and You know, they distract themselves and if you're a parent that do does that, you create a weird environment for your child because your child is sort of imitating you as a leader.
and you're a fuck up and you're always making excuses and you get fired a lot or you sleep in a lot or you d you do things that like are not admirable. And then that child, you know, bah fuck life, man. You know, whereas you know, his kids are probably like, Jesus Christ, dad's a fucking animal. Like, uh I wanna be an animal too. And then you see how people respect his father.
And they go, Oh, okay, I want uh I want people to respect me like that too. You know, y you hear what people talk about him when he's not around, like, oh I want people to respect me. Right. It's only one way to get there. It's a fucking long road. Good luck. Start going. And uh you're not going to get any satisfaction for a long ass fucking time other than the fact that you're on the path, that you're on you're involved in the process and you're on the journey.
Yeah, the grind. Right. And it's like it's overused, but the level of endurance with in courage when it's like that trade alone, just trying to understand courage, like w who has it, who doesn't have it, and then the level of commitment to a mission or something bigger than yourself. It's... It's the thing that I think about, uh, I'd say a huge percentage of of the last several years, especially, you know, as I get a little bit older, right, a little bit further away from the GWAT in
I was with um uh I'm doing a documentary on um Earl Plumley. Do you know who that is? No. Um so he's a Medal of Honor recipient, former Green Beret. We were at the UFC fight with um Elliot Miller and Earl Plumley. Early Earl Plumley's a em incredibly humble guy. Like uh just an amazing human. Like you can sit here and talk to him. You'd never in a million years know that this guy had earned the Medal of Honor. Never. Like because one
He's never gonna tell you. Two, he's gonna ask you a hundred questions about you and be way more fascinated with that. And two and three, you know, we were having this conversation. He's like, Man, it it belongs to the guys. Like, I didn't do anything. Like it belongs to the Like the guys any of the guys if they wouldn't have been shot would have done the same exact thing that I did and I'm
Man, that is an incredible statement from, you know, a guy that's sitting here. And so this documentary follows his path from joining the Marine Corps, which was literally Where the the judge, you know those those old stories of the guy that was like forced by the judge to join the the military or jail? He literally has it.
And it starts he goes into, you know, the Marines and then he's a force recon Marine and it he he had gone through all the selections and then he got out of the Marine Corps, joined the army and we follow his story. Through the eyes of his peers and his leaders, because uh we wanted to see from his perspective what do other people say about him. Not the story from his
One, he'll never tell it the way that it's probably needs to be told. Two, what were the choices that he made throughout his professional life that made the man that was capable of such an incredible act of courage that it warranted the highest medal, you know, oh literally earned in the United States military. And that single word, courage, how do you build courageous people? Yeah. Is a fascinating it's it's quite literally it's such a fascinating subject.
And most of it is It's not the critic who counts, it's like the keeping up Stepping back in, this commitment to something greater than yourself, and then making these thousands of choices in your life every day as you wake up, step forward, step back into the fray, and like make the active decision to be better. And it's like
It's it's such a fucking fundamental thing of being able to any any part of your life. If you don't get up in the morning and like commit yourself to something, I'm not you know motivational speaker, but it's How are you ever gonna get better if you're not committing to something like being a better dad or a better husband or better, you know, better at your profession? And then committing to this evolutionary process takes
I it not only a huge amount of commitment, but mental and physical endurance. It does. And I'm I'm never gonna get tired of trying to figure this out because obviously it's it's like my pure set I was having this conversation with um Jack Carr and I ran into the airport. Uh we ran into each other at the airport on the way down here and we were talking about Fucking love that guy. Fucking such a good dude. And
Yeah, in all of life. Yeah, all of life. Yeah, you find exceptional people in all of life and you can they're fuel. Those people are fuel. And they and they enhance the lives of the people around them. And then if you become one of those guys, you enhance the lives of the people around you and then you feed off of them and they feed off of you and everybody feeds off of each other. And it's it's So good for you to know that people like that are out.
That that there's a guy like that, capable of incredible courage. And that how did he get there? What did he do? What did uh how did he become the man he is right now? Because god damn, that's an admirable man. So how do you how do I get there? Yeah. It's and there's all these stories. I like w Jack and I were talking about, um'cause you know, the Navy SEALs obviously they've got a lot of uh positive uh PR over the last several years, but
I don't know, airtime, right? But there are all these other people in the military throughout, you know, generations of war fighters that have gone out and done these incredibly hard jobs. And I I found the story of the parchy, which is the USS Parchy, which is the most decorated submarine and ship in Navy history. They have nine presidential citations. It's the most decorated group of men in the US Navy, like in modern history, and everything they've done is still classified.
Whoa. It's a Cold War era nuclear submarine that was modified and pul ultimately tasked out by the CIA to go out and do collection. And they were the guys that hundreds of feet down they would land on the bottom of of the ocean and the uh Soviets had these military communication lines that were basically hard lines that would go under a bay so they could communicate back and forth and they f they felt like they were secure.
And one of their jobs, which is I've I've never been able to see anything uh, you know, declassified, but the stories that are out there, these guys would land on the bottom of the ocean, send out divers at hundreds of feet.
And these guys would hook listening devices on those lines hundreds of feet down, like in cold dark water. Can you imagine dude? Like You're out in four hundred feet or three hundred feet of water, pitch black, you can't see anything, and your job is to go and put a listening device on a Soviet communication line in nineteen eighty six or whatever it was.
And you're in enemy territory. So if you get discovered, you're dead. And none of these guys, that's the incredible thing, none of these guys have ever said anything about it. Decades and not only decades of missions, months away from home, none of these guys have said a fucking thing. They've not been on a podcast. They've not written any books. And the only thing they say is, Yeah, we did a lot of incredible shit. Still can't talk about it. Unbelievable, man. Yeah.
I've been able to see. I can go out and do shit and like you still have the ability to see. I can't imagine being in like three hundred feet of water pitch black. Pitch black. If you if you lose a glove, right? Or something goes wrong. How are you gonna get back to the boat? Like and you're gonna have to get back the boat and then get back into American territory without being discovered. And more more importantly, you're gonna do this how many times over the course of your career?
And are the is does the listening device require them to gather the information while they're at the bottom of the ocean or does it transmit? I think it transmits. Yeah. That's much more convenient. It's it's not declassified. So who knows? Right, who knows? And they don't talk about it. Wow. They don't talk about it.
That's crazy. I was talking to uh Jack and I were talking about it and um I was like, Have you ever heard about this? And you know, he's a retired Navy guy. He's like, No, I've never heard about it. I'm like, that's my point. It's an incredible story, man. Like these guys are still buttoned up.
Not saying a fucking word. They pick the right guys. They pick the right guys. Yeah, there's guys like that out there. Yeah. Yeah. And they don't have to be famous either. There's a lot of people out there that just they're you know.
They're just doing the mission. Yeah. They'd come home, not tell their families. Yeah. Their wives would be pissed off. What are you doing? Out out on the boat with all your friends for months. Just hanging out, hot racking, you know? Yeah. Like, I can't say anything. Mm-hmm. If you don't have a woman that can understand that, that becomes a real problem. Yeah, I'm sure a lot of them ended up in divorce. Oh yeah. Well you know that was part of the bob.
The Bob Lazar was the guy that worked at Area fifty one. Yeah. He couldn't tell his wife what he was doing. And they would call him at like ten PM. Uh, there's a flight for you that leaves at eleven fifteen, be at the airport. And he had to leave. And he would tell his wife, I gotta go to work and she's like, It's eleven o'clock at night. He's like, I have to go to work. What are you doing? He's like, I can't talk about it'cause all his phones were bugged, everything was bugged. Right.
So his wife is like, This motherfucker's cheating on me. She she sh she starts fucking her flight instructor and that's One of the reasons why they removed him from his duties because they're like this guy's gonna be unstable. We have to see how he handles this because he's involved in this top secret back engineering of a flying saucer program, allegedly. And we have to uh, you know, keep an eye on this motherfucker because he he can't be mentally unstable and have this kind of responsibility.
'Cause he couldn't tell her. Couldn't tell her anything. Yeah. And then eventually he took her to the the the sites where he could he explained to everybody when he thought that his life was in danger and that he was getting fired. When things started getting sideways, like people need to know about this, he took her out
He didn't know that she was fucking some other guy by the th by that time. It's so unfortunate. Unfortunate. Yeah. Look at this is what I'm doing. I wonder if that actually would I wonder if she's like, fuck God, I shouldn't have sucked that guy's face. Fuck that guy. Man, I feel bad now. I shouldn't have fucked that guy. I g I used to have to do that'cause for years, you know years of my life, I didn't tell anybody, couldn't tell anybody who I worked for or what I did. And I didn't have a wife.
I just not really say anything and I just dip out. I kinda dipped out from like family. My dad was like very concerned'cause he's like, I never hear from that kid. I don't know what he's doing. I'm like, eh, just working. Just busy man. But it weighs on you after a while. You're like, This kinda sucks. Yeah, not being able to tell people about something you're doing. Hard you like you can never show someone part of who you are. There always gonna be a door that's closed.
It's kinda nuts. Yeah, it's difficult. It was like my wife when we first got together, she's the first girl that or first woman, I shouldn't say girl. She's the first woman I told because I was like, fuck this place, I'm out of it anyway. If if I get rolled up, I get rolled up. Who cares? Did she was she initially like, whoa? Like how did she handle it? Well, so we were Did you give her like details? No, no, no. I cause
She had met some of my friends, right? And you know, the guys from the community are fairly obvious'cause they look like you. And they're jacked, tattooed, you know, a lot of'em are, you know, big beards. It looks like um Let's take the Hells Angels. Right. Right. So like I don't work for the State Department. That's fairly obvious. Like State Departments they're gonna wear suits and, you know, they're
come out of Harvard and they use really long words all the time. They're they're not they're not like they don't look like they're getting ready to commit a felony. Like and and so she would be around, you know, at our kitchen table or whatever and you'd have all these guys that look like, you know, they're NFL Hell's Angels and I look like this, which, you know, is intimidating nonetheless. But uh I could get away with it. I could sell that. But they couldn't. She's like, Well
So you work for the State Department, but what is it that you actually do? Right? I'm like, You're not a janitor, obviously. I'm like, Ah, you know, we We we train assistant advise or something and then after a while, um, you know, getting to know her, you know, six months or however long. we were driving down the road and I was like, I actually work for the CIA and she was like, I know. What are you a fucking idiot? I'm like, Yeah, that's fair. Yeah. Like and uh
It and it's and it's funny because even now today, right? It's like a lot of my friends will come by that I haven't seen for years and uh and she always has the same kind of like eye roll. It's like, Okay, you guys can be up till like two in the morning like drinking at the kitchen table, talking shit about everybody that used to work with. Yeah. That's right. It's like and it's so dramatic, right? It's like it's such a sewing circle at times with people. And it's all the same people are
The same regardless of your profession. It's like they're always talking shit and that guy's a good dude, that guy's not. It's was so fascinating to me, like uh James O'Keefe stuff. Mm-hmm. Like how much they bust people that talk about things they should never talk about with people that are just on a date.
Yeah. Like not even like your wife of ten years. No no no no. No. Some lady or some guy, it's a lot of it it's chatty gay guys. Yeah yeah. A lot of it is gay guys like I'll tell you how we do. And they're on a date with some guy and they're trying to impress him and they start telling about what secret covert things they're doing that's totally illegal.
And they do it all the time. Oh, it's got it happens all the time in D C. Y d i it and it doesn't really matter what what party or wherever you go. you always have the guy and it's so funny because I would go to, you know, whatever party X and depending on the venue, it might be like State Department and FBI or whomever and you can always tell who works for whom. And it's always like you're they're always trying to
out jockey each other for who works for the better government service. And I used to always tell people as a I was a janitor, so they would leave me alone. And uh oh I'm a janitor at Northrop Grumman. I'm like, Why are you here? Like kind of a thing. I'm like, Ah, that's what I do. It's you know, it's my passion. I love them shit shit stripes and toilets, man. I gotta wipe'em out.
And But then the the all the other guys were like Jockeying for like FBI or State Department or wherever they're going and then it's always the guys like I can't tell you who I work for. And you're like, oh Then you just sit back and listen. You're like, let me hear where this guy's going. This is gonna be a fun one, you know? Like, holy shit. Get a couple of drinks at him. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And it's just full of shit.
That's the thing about important people that have achieved a high level of success, everybody wants to pretend they're that. Yeah. There's a lot of people that want to pretend they're that person. Because it's so hard to become that person, but it's y you can convince a lot of people that don't know any better that you are. That was a big thing. Well so in the eighties when I first started, no one knew any
It wasn't like today. Today, if you get in a street fight, if you're a high school kid and you get in a street fight with another high school kid, There's a high likelihood that that kid knows how to leg kick, he might know a a a blast double, he might know an arm triangle. You might get fucked up. Like they might know how to fight back then no. It was very rare. There's like one kid who knew how to box. It was always the wrestling team which were the most dangerous people.
Those guys were the worst. Those guys are the they're the hardest motherfuckers in the school always. And I didn't even realize that until I started wrestling. I was like, I'm amongst these fucking elite killers and they're just walking around with everybody like they're normal. And you realize the level of commitment and dedication involved in being a an elite high school wrestler, just a high school wrestler.
It's fucking off the charts. These kids were going to camps uh all through the summer. They would get sent off to wrestling camp. They were training year round. And I just hopped in on my sophomore year. I I did one season of wrestling. Crazy. Like the level I I had no idea. I was hanging around with these people. I thought they were normal people. They're like kids that were like little soldiers. Right. Like all of them. Thick necked little fucking soldiers.
And you realize like, wow, it like open my eyes, like Jesus, there's these people around. And they were never even considered martial artists. Until the UFC. Help the average person is with an elite wrestler. You have no Like z it's not like maybe you'll be able to hit him before he takes it down. Nope, no chance. He's gonna shoot on you, he's gonna fuckin' you you have no chance. You have zero chance.
But there was always a bunch of guys who were pretending they were martial arts experts. It was oh it was a really common thing. And then you would talk to him, like, where do you train? What do you what do you do? And i it was always some guy who like learned some mist there was one guy. This guy actually wound up getting arrested uh for murder. And he's in jail right now. Yeah. He had uh lied to everybody and told them that he was a Brazilian jujitsu black belt.
And uh he was even teaching people and he knew almost nothing. And it this is like in the early, early two thousands I guess. Like m late nineties, early two thousands. And it was just starting to catch on, like people were just starting to understand the depth of martial arts because of the UFC. But it hadn't really gone mainstream until about two thousand five. And this guy uh
was telling everybody he was a Brazilian jiu jitsu black belt and then Eddie Bravo trained with him. And Eddie came back He goes like this guy's terrible. He didn't know shit. And and he's like and I was like, really? He goes, Yeah, I think he's a fake. I think he's a fraud. And he wound up con c confronting And then the guy wound up uh he was banging some guy's wife and wound up luring the guy back to his karate.
Yeah. Yeah. And he went to jail and uh he's in jail right now. But he had a fake name. His name was Raphael Tory, that was his fake name, but his real name was like Ralph, something or another. And uh he's in jail right now for murder. That's a but that's a super funny character, right? Not that guy, but it's a fake black.
martial artist what was that there there's a there's a movie years ago uh where it's like one foot way the way of one foot or something have you ever watched that yeah with Danny McFries and it was fucking hilarious man and it's like That guy, that that like character, that strip mall, you know, martial artist is just a piece of shit. Yeah. There's a guy on Instagram that documents all these guys. It's McDojo Life on Instagram. It's a fucking great page.
Because it's all people doing bullshit fake martial arts like death touch. Like people that can like touch your forehead and you like go limp and fall to the ground. And you get all their their students become like brainwashed and they go along with this whole facade. It's really weird. They they're in on the charade. It's very strange. Super weird. It's like it's very cultish. Mm-hmm. Like martial arts are very cultish. Especially traditional market.
It's like your instructor is always Sir, you're always bowing to them. There's always a lot of weirdness inside yeah, yeah, yeah. In the in like traditional Taekwondo you always would refer to your instructors as mister it was mister I hated it. I was like just you don't have to How many years did you do that? Oh like hardcore for seven years.
Hardcore. And then you switched over to jujitsu? Yeah. I switched over to jujitsu a few years later. I stopped fighting when I was twenty-two and then I was a real it was like doing comedy. I started doing comedy at twenty-one and I kind of half asked still trained and fought a few times while I was also doing comedy, but I didn't have the commitment that I had before. I I'd had a series of events that led me out of like wanting to compete. And uh one of them was recognizing brain damage.
Recognizing it in other people, recognizing it in friends, and then laying in bed with headaches. after sparring sessions, going, Okay, where does this lead? And I don't I'm not even making any money off of this and then there was a guy that I hurt really bad in a tournament. I knocked this one guy out
In California, I I was competing in the nationals and I KO'd this guy and he never got up. They they had to take him on a stretcher and he was on a stretcher for half an hour and then they took him to the hospital and it freaked me out. Because I was like,'Cause that could have easily been me. It easily. And um that one bothered me.'Cause I was like, What am I doing? Like, why am I doing this? Like I'm
I'm trying to win, you know, the national championships. I'm trying to be uh in the Olympics, I'm trying to do these things. But I'm like, okay, well where does that lead me? To teaching? Do I really want to t I was already teaching at the time, but do I really want to teach for a living forever? I'm like, I don't think I do. There's not
You know, and then re recognizing that the martial art that I had picked, Taekwondo, had a lot of flaws in it. It was really good for kicking, but um it it wasn't the best. overall martial art. And when I started kickboxing I really realized that. And then I started getting into Muay Thai and I realized the power of leg kicks and the the with the devastating impact it has on your mobility and like one or two leg kicks and you're so compromised, I was like, oh this
There's so many levels to this. So I was like kind of half assing martial arts like the last year. Not not nearly as committed. Like I was all in all throughout my high school years, all in until I was twenty one. And then from twenty one to twenty two kinda half asked it. And then I didn't start doing jujitsu until
So what what's going on at like twenty one, twenty two in you like what are you thinking? Do you remember what you're thinking? Like uh like I'm I'm gonna be an actor, I'm gonna be a comic, like what are you thinking? I didn't think I was gonna be a comic until I But when when it when I'd bomb I'd be like I just get a f get a few f and then you know what happened? I tore my ACL. And when I tore my ACL, I had to have surgery and I couldn't do anything for like six months.
And then I realized like uh like my body's vulnerable, like you're you're you're counting on your tissue staying in co intact in order to like live this life that you wanna live. So I get my knee reconstructed. I was like, all right. So that was the first knee knee reconstruction? Yeah. Yeah. I was twenty two I think when I blew it.
Twenty one, somewhere around then. It was like right around the time when I was like s thinking about stopping competing, it's like my you know, like the universe was like, Let me help ya. Right. Let me fuck your knee up real quick. So I had to get that fixed and that takes a while before it it gets back to normal again.
But uh the comedy became a thing where I was like, This is very exciting and really difficult to do and so different than anything else I was doing. Well you have to get the people to like you. Like it's dependent upon like personality. Whereas with martial arts I wanted them to not like me. I loved it. I d I didn't have any problem like no one's gonna save.
Doesn't matter if these people hate me and th if you're looking at me and there's just you and me and a referee, I liked it. I liked that this person had like a bunch of like one of my favorite things was like hearing cheers stop. Like when people were cheering like, get on, fuck you, kick his ass, kick his ass, then womp. And then the guy would collapse, and then you hear silent. You just hear silence. Especially if you go to where they live. Right. Like if you had to go to Ohio and fight.
final moment. And my thing was I would always walk away like it was normal. I would never celebrate. I would just walk away like that was I do this every day. I'm gonna do This is what I'm gonna do to you. And I would I would always take naps too. That was the other thing I did when everybody was freaking out before fighting, before sparring. I would go to sleep in front of everybody. I'd just put a hoodie on. Is that like a where you try to
Fuck with them a little bit. It was a little bit of fucking with them. It was a little bit of I'm I'm so relaxed that I'm gonna take a nap here while you're freaking out. But it was also I wanted to do it for my own mind. I I wanted to just like be I wanna I was so in my own head. I was just it was I was so in my own like what I'm going to do. I wasn't thinking about all these other external things. Until that one knockout, that's when I really started thinking about.
'Cause I had gotten really lucky where I never really got hurt in a tournament. Never never got dropped, never got knocked out, never got never got really rocked. But I did it to a lot of people. And then I was like, This is coming around like it's only a matter of time before I get walked.
It's just it happens. It's just going to happen. I'm gonna fight some national champion guy and I'm gonna zig when I should have zagged and I'm gonna catch a heel to my fucking jaw and that's gonna be a rap. I'm gonna be waking up in the hospital. That's interesting that you had that thought early on to where you're like, ah, well I started seeing brain depth. Yeah.
And I started seeing guys that was fucking there's like a slurry aspect to the way they talked. There was a labored thing to their speech. There was something about them and then I would see it degrade over time. You know, like I really started getting involved in sparring and and boxing when I was about ninety And that was also around the time where I started losing my enthusiasm for Taekwondo because I just realized i the no punching to the face thing in tournaments was so limited.
It really r it it fucked you up because it gave you this illusion that you could pull things off. Mm. Where all the guy would have to do is jab you in the face. You're like, oh Okay, like at this distance you can't do the thing that you normally do in a Taekwondo tournament. You have to be much more aware defensively. So I had to recalibrate my offense and my tactics. And so then I just I started d doing a lot of boxing and a lot of kickboxing and I
I saw so much like unreported brain damage. Just weird stuff. Guys would tell you the same story they just told you like five minutes ago, they'd tell it to you again.'Cause and I was realizing oh these guys can't remember that they just said this thing five minutes ago. It was like they were stoned, you know, and they weren't, you know. They they were just s starting to exhibit the beginning signs of brain damage. When you're making those decisions early on, like
you're controlling like being able to control your emotions. So your anxiety and being able to like put yourself into the right mental framework to go out and perform. So regardless. So you're Competing in Taekwondo, you're going out, you're actually performing uh like open mics, is that what you're doing at the time? Or you just like it? Yeah, when I was twenty one. Once I was twenty one I started doing open mics. Yeah. And so being able to control your emotions'cause you gotta be
Freaking out a little bit. The first time I went on stage I was more scared than I had ever been fighting, which I thought was crazy. So I started fighting before I could really be scared. I started fighting when I was fifteen. That was like the first fights that I had. So you were scared but you didn't you were so stupid. You didn't know what could happen to you. And I was really lucky that I had a really good school. The school that I trained at was super technical.
that was uh the guy who I trained under this guy J Hun Kim, he trained with uh General Che Young Yi, who was like the founder of Taekwondo. And so it was like s the technique was Perfect. Like you had to have per Like th if you did anything sloppy or anything like kinda ha they would correct you. Like you had to have it down. And they emphasize a lot of heavy bag training.
Which a lot of schools didn't even have a heavy bag, which I thought was crazy. Like we would go and do these um these things where we'd have uh our team would go and train with another team. Like we would travel to New York and there was a like another An instructor that was friends with our instructor and they would bring the competition teams to compete against each other. And we'd fight in in a gym. So it was like these unsanctioned fights.
And you know, you'd find people that were li roughly your weight and these guys didn't have heavy And that you'd go to their gym, they have like a you know strip mall type gym, and there was in their dojang, they didn't have a heavy bag. I was like, this is crazy. You guys don't train with heavy bags? And it didn't make any sense to me. They had kicking paddles and a bunch of different things, but they didn't have anything that would improve thrusting technique.
and stabbing techniques, which is like you need resistance, you need a heavy bag. And so our instructor was adamant about like if you can't hurt somebody badly with one kick, you're you're doing the wrong. You y these techniques were originally d designed for war. Right. And you're you're supposed to be able to have devastating power in everything you throw. That got lost a little when Taekwondo got into the Olympics or when it was on the path to getting into the
And it became more of like point scoring. They would try to hit you and run away. Hit you and run away. And it was a lot of like fast moving techniques that didn't have the same sort of devastating impact.
So where I got real lucky in where I trained is that they really emphasize power. And so the school that I was at was very feared because a lot of the other black belts were like the the guys that I trained with were fucking really Like they were they were known for when they would go to a tournament, people would get away. Because if these guys hit you, you're in trouble. Like these were dangerous cats, you know, that were like
Just wheel kicking people into another dimension, turning sidekicking people and crushing rib cages. It was a lot of that. And so th I got real lucky that that's the gym that I started. that I started with like you know, you imitate your atmosphere. I was the first guy that I ever saw hit a bag was this guy John Lee and when I saw him he was the national
uh Taekwondo light heavyweight champion and he was competing he was training to compete in the world games. Mm-hmm. So he was about to go to uh I guess it was the World Cup. And he was in full training mode like the moment I walked into the gym and I watched him fold this heavy And as I was going up the stairs, I could hear the sound of it. This is I was just visiting this gym. I was leaving a baseball game. Fenley Park.
And uh me and my friend just walked up the stairs just because we didn't want to wait for the tea. It took so long for so many people leaving the baseball game. There's gonna be big lines, it was gonna be packed. It was like Whoop K ching and the kching was the chains of the heavy back.
'Cause this a hundred and twenty pound bag was flying through the air when this guy would hit it and the the the chains were going shh and rattling and then it would come down, he would set it up again. And he was
seven, ten feet from me. Like there's this like little ledge where you could sit and watch people. And they had set it up like that so the heavy bag was set up right where people would walk in because it was a great recruitment tool. Because you would really get to see what people are capable of.
And the moment I saw that, I was like, I wanna know how to do that. Like, how do you do that? Like th he was doing spinning back kicks over and over again, turning sidekicks, just folding this fucking bag and app like that. that a person could gen I didn't think a person could generate that kind of force. And uh I trained with him a lot and I learned from him a lot. He taught me a lot.
And he was an interesting guy too,'cause he was like a real street guy. Like you'd been in and out of jail, wound up having a substance problem but It was this funny dude from uh Chelsea, which is like a real hard, dangerous neighborhood in Boston, and just a fucking killer, man. A killer. Just a killer. And when he would when he would compete people
It was crazy to watch.'Cause I started see I started training with him and going to tournaments with him when I was a white belt. So I was a white belt and he was a black belt national champion and when John Lee would show up You would see guys take these deep breaths'cause they knew he he was in their weight class like fuck.
Fuck. Cause they knew this guy wasn't trying to win on points. He was trying to break your body. He was trying to just crush your organs. He was trying to separate your fucking brain. I watched it. A lot of people. It was wild to see. So like, you know, but it was it to me it was just like this new thing that was going to change who I am. You know, I w I uh went for the first time in my life, I felt like I wasn't a loser.'Cause I was like really good at this thing that was scary.
You know, and I just threw myself into it. I didn't do anything. I didn't party. I didn't go to I didn't I d had very few friends outside of high school. You know, I was it was my whole thing was just training. I'd get home from school, get something to eat, immediately leave, hop on the train, head into town every day. That was like fifteen? Yeah.
Yeah, from like the summer of my freshman year of high school. That's when I far first started. Right right like when I s graduated from high school in my freshman year I started training. and it was not It was just like this complete new life. It was so weird. And then competing, like and traveling around competing. First it was like a white belt, then a blue belt.
then work on my way up, purple belt, and then all of a sudden uh i the in Taekwondo red belt is brown belt right and then black belt. And then my instructor was crazy. He would let me compete as a black belt before I was a black belt. It let me compete in the men's division when I was sixteen. Yeah, it was nuts. Holy shit. Yeah. It was just they if y they thought you had potential, they'd just throw you right in the flames. Like let's see.
So the confidence it gives you, right? It's like finding something that you're good at. Yeah, it was like all of a sudden I reali well, all of a sudden I got obsessed with something. Where I'd never had really worked hard at anything in my life. And then I had abs. I was like, this is crazy.
Like I look at myself in the mirror, I had abs. All of a sudden I had muscles everywhere. I was like, This is nut'cause you're going through puberty. Right. At the so y so you're this doughy little fucking kid, this scrawny, doughy little kid that never did any sports other than baseball.
And then all of a sudden I'm shredded and I I know how to fuck people up. And then I was doing it to like live humans all over the country, like traveling everywhere. We traveled. That's all we did. We just traveled. So how does that go from how do you go from there though? Like like Why or how did you go I'm gonna go do stand up? Like what was the What what was that? It was really my friends. It was really yeah, my friend Steve Graham.
who um still friends with to this day, who was a real maniac. He was on the US ski team. He was a f he was a uh a flight pilot with the navy Uh or not a flight pilot, a flight surgeon with the Navy. He was an ophthalmologist. Like an insanely hardworking guy, like unbelievably disappointing. And um he wa he got into Taekwondo while he was a doctor.
You know, while he was an ophthalmologist, he's a maniac to this day. This dude's had like he's still a good friend. He's had like seventy fucking surgeries. He's at his knees replaced, still trains, still spars. Yeah. Yeah. He's like in his sixties now. He's a fucking nut. And so he's like, Hey, you're funny, you should go do this? We would go to tournaments, and when we would go to tournaments or when we have sparring days in particular, everybody was super nervous.
It was And um so I would be the one who would break the I'd be the one who would make fun of everybody and do impressions of everybody and I was I always was cracking everybody up and it was a captive audience. And and everyone was looking for like relief from the fact that there was this ten like we would be on a bus headed to like Poughkeepsie, New York, to go compete in a tournament. And I would be the one on the bus, like making fun of everyone.
Just cracking everybody up. And my friend Steve said, You should be a stand-up. You should try it. You should just try it. And I'm like, Look, you think I'm funny because you like I'd go other people are gonna think I'm an asshole. Like my sense of humor was very dark. It was like it was very crazy back then'cause I was living a crazy life. And then um did an open mic night and then I
think I might be able to do this. Did you bomb like straight away? No I didn't do well. I got a couple of laughs. Like ha ha ha. It wasn't good. Right. But everybody sucked. Do you remember any any of the jokes? Do you realize how fast you're going? No, do you like my tits? Yes I do. Here's a warning. It was terrible. It was so bad. It was so bad. I had so many bad jokes.
Um but I also realized like everybody sucks in the beginning. And then I thought back to martial arts. I go, Oh, this is like everything. Right. Like if you start off You suck. Like everything in the whole thing is like getting better at this thing you suck at. W which is like w I had this guy uh Tommy Woods, doctor Tommy Woods. We were talking about new things, about the m the value in terms of like people that acquire dementia and one of the best ways to to like to keep your brain fresh
is do new things. Do things that you're not good at and learn how to do them and get better at. And I think I had sort of just applied what I had learned from martial arts because obviously I wasn't good at martial arts. started. I was terrible. Everybody's terrible. You don't know what you're doing. Right. And then you you realize like, oh, through repetitive effort, concentration, focus, discipline, you're gonna get better. It's a path.
And so I was like, Oh, this is a new thing. But it's also a new thing filled with other misfits.'Cause I was a misfit, right? And I was like, Oh well these comedians are misfits too. They didn't have regular rules. They always wanted to smoke pot and drink beer and
You know, they stayed up late and they slept late and they're they were just maniacs. I was like, okay, I could hang out with these people. Like regular people that wanted a regular job scare the shit out of me'cause I don't want to get sucked into your drone like frequency. I d I can't li I've I tried regular jobs. Like this is not gonna work for me. I'm too A D D, H D, whatever the fuck it is, whatever it is, I got it. I'm like I can't do this.
But those people were misfits. There were these weird reneg and then occasionally professionals would go up and you'd realize This guy's a master, like the mastery. of like concepts and jokes and tricking you into thinking one thing and then he hits you with another thing and like God, and the smoothness of it all. It just became an obsession.
Do you remember the guy? Teddy Bergeron. There's this guy who had been on the Tonight Show and he unfortunately developed a substance problem, which uh a lot of people do. And I think Some of it is just the pressure of stand up and the pressure of fame and the pressure of constantly performing and and then it's just also like just living that dirt bag life where you're just like
You could do whatever you want. It doesn't matter. Do Coke. You know, and they're just doing Coke and like there was clubs that would pay you in Coke. What? Yeah, they would o yeah, yeah, yeah. Nick's Comedy Stop would offer you cocaine or cash in the nineteen eighties. Yeah. I I can see that. I can see how I could see how this this thing becomes
super addicting. And this is like your dirt bag life. Right. It's the it's that same parallel we're talking about, where it's like this becomes the rock that you're climbing every day because this is the audience that you have to entertain. It becomes about getting better honing a craft like
And ultimately succeeding with the crowd right in front of you. And they're giving you the feedback. Like that's very similar. Like you're either getting higher on the rock or you're falling off. And the falling off was important. Because the bombings would really teach you you didn't want that.
So what was it about the bomb like what did you how did you bomb? What did you do wrong? What what went wrong? What's wrong with your material? What's wrong like are you being lazy in the way you're setting things up? Like what are you doing wrong? and then figuring it out because y that pain of bombing was so like sometimes it's bad to do well a bunch of times. Because you need to get relaxed. Like you can't be relaxed. Like you have to like constantly grinding at it.
constantly be taking that fucking thing apart and trying to figure out What how to make it better? The guys like um like Andy Kaufman, right, that would go out and they had a whole shtick and nobody understood what the fuck they were doing. That's a different thing. It's a different thing. It is wild. You're bombing intentionally, but it's
funny. You're right. You gotta like stretch it out a little bit to understand what what's going on. And it's a different individual psychology. It's a different thing. He's doing a different thing. My criticism of that, I don't really have a criticism, maybe that's the wrong word, because I think Kaufman was brilliant. He was brilliant on taxi. He was an interesting character. The shit he did with pro wrestling was Just bananas, with wrestling women, fucking maniac. Yeah. It was so great.
But he never was a great company. Right. Like say if if Shane Gillis decided to go that path and just bomb on purpose, that would be almost more interesting. Right. Like here's a guy who knows how to kill. He's a real comic, one of the funniest guys ever. Yeah. And then he starts
saying do it playing the theme to Mighty Mouse and just repeating Here I Come To Save the Day Like this what Andy Kaufman did. He would play a r out of a record player and just play the Mighty Mouse theme song and just repeat Here I Come to Save the Day and everybody's like Like it was like this weird mind fuck that he was doing with everybody. But he never did the other thing. Right, right. He never like really entertained and killed.
Like all the evidence of Andy Kaufman is of him doing this weird stuff, which again it's not really a criticism. Right. But he was doing a different thing. He was an odd guy who saw this thing and he was like, I think I can get in there and do something completely disruptive. Right.
I can see that. Like it's it's very distinctly different. Nothing wrong with it. I loved it. I loved especially the wrestling stuff, but it's not my favorite. Like if I had a ch if someone told me Andy Kaufman's performing in this room over here But Dave Vittel is in that room over there. I'm going to see Davidell. I wanna go see the master. Yeah, I'm gonna laugh and I'm gonna See a guy at the top of his craft
that's doing this hypnosis on everybody and and you just leave there, your sides hurt and you're dying. You don't leave there going, What the fuck was that? Like but he wanted people to leave there and go, What the fuck was that? Yeah. Like that was the magic of Andy Coffin. But it's just not my you know, like I don't like jack. Yeah, I don't want to go see Jack. I think I it's kinda cool background music, but I'm not leaving the house to go see Jet But I know people who fucking love it. Like
So if you think back to Taxi, like I was thinking about this the other day with like Danny DeVito and Taxi. Like that guy's still going. I know. It's incredible, man. I know. Like I was and it just like a snippet of taxi came up and I was like, holy shit, how old is Danny DeVito? He's a hundred and fifty thousand years old. Tony Dans has long since retired. Holy shit. That guy just keeps going and he looked old and taxi. Is Judd Hurst still alive?
I don't know. That's a good question. I don't know. That was a great show. It was a great show. It was a great show. He's ninety? Yep. Is Mar Mary Lou Hanna was taxi too, right? Wasn't she on taxi? Mary Lou Henner, you know, she has that crazy mind thing where she remembers everything. Seriously? Everything. You can give her a a date and she could tell you like nineteen seventy three, you know, February second. She'll tell you what day it was.
She can tell you what happened on that day. She can d tell you news things. She can tell you what she was doing that day. She r she has like Not just a photographic member memory, but a complete recall of all events and dates. I forget what the term is. Superior autobiographical memory ability. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Not nuts. That's amazing. And she's got to be seventy years old, right?
Seventy three? Yeah. She remembers everything. The funny thing is is DeVito's still funny. Like he's still funny. Like I mean, like the the way that it he lands jokes, I mean, always funny. How many seasons is that? Like 20 now? I don't know. But I mean it's 20 fucking like things has he done. I don't know. Taxi to always taxi was when I was a boy. Yeah. To always sunny. That was the thing my dad used to.
Yeah. And like my dad seems old. My dad's eighty years old, right? My dad used to watch that. How old's Danny DeVito? Eighty one. Still banging it out. Still fucking killing it, man. Still funny. Seventy? Yeah, around seventy. Yeah. Like I was watching him the other night.
And, you know, he flew back from where he was and he just like came in and and stood up there and did a set. Like it just kind of like walked in almost. It felt like he was just like, I'm here, I'm just gonna stop in and do this and then he fucking killed seamlessly It was perfect. He's as good as he's better I think than he's ever been right now. I I've never like watching somebody that's
And then watching somebody that's in another dimension, like him specifically,'cause he's perfect. Like it's just it's absolutely perfect.'Cause it comes off It's unforced. It's a conversation. Like he's just having a conversation with the crowd. Yeah. So incredible to watch somebody that can be perfect in their delivery, but then
be completely unassuming in the way that they're delivering it. Like it's just a natural conversation, like a habit. Yeah. It's completely casual. Casual killing. You don't even feel like you're in Like you're you're watching a stand up comedian. You feel like you're watching somebody talk and you know that it's coming.
you think that it's coming and you s he still fucking delivers it with just a level of exceptionalism you're like, fuck man like the guy's incredible. He yeah, I think it's one of those things where you keep working at it, you just keep getting better. And also he stopped drinking So he stopped drinking a couple of years ago and that changed everything. He got lost a ton of weight, got way more focused. But you know, he had been going hard for decades.
and his doctor at a pole masana go, Hey man, you're gonna die Are all those guys still Still uh all the blue collar comedy tour guys, are they still are they still all doing it? Foxworthy still does stand up. I think he did stand up recently with Ron. He'll but I don't think he tours a lot. Mm-hmm. I don't know about Larry the Cable guy. I don't hear about him anymore. Right.
I don't hear about the other guy, Bill Ingval. You don't hear much about him anymore. I think out of all them Ron is the guy who's still But outta all them it was like Jeff Fox was a great comic and then r you know I think in my opinion Ron was the best. Ron's just a master. But also Ron is he loves.
Like he was there last night. He's uh he performs all the time. He's always down. He's he always le le like I always get text messages from him when I have shows, he wants to come and do a set. It's like he He lives for it, man. He's constantly writing. He's constantly working on it. Like that's his thing, man. He he fuck enjoys the shit out of it.
Still tours, still does the road, does better than ever, sells out everywhere. And you're getting the best show out of Ron that you've ever gotten out of him. He's just he's better now, I think, than he's ever been. Yeah, I really believe that. And it's crazy that at seventy he's still getting better. His material just keeps getting better and it's always w working at it.
Yeah, that that the whole thing about LA or whatever he did. He just played it it it it sounded like he'd pulled that out of his ass on stage. He was just telling a story about being on a flight and you're like, holy shit, that he's just telling me a story. He was in the back room of the comedy store one night with there's a back bar and we were hanging out and uh we were drinking. This is back in Ron's drinking day.
and we're having a couple of glasses of whiskey and then uh Ron starts telling the story about how when he was uh stationed in Hawaii He goes there's a place you can go and you know, there's a bunch of hookers, you can get your dick sucked for like twenty bucks, man. I was there every fucking day. And he goes and then all these years later I was watching the news story and all these transvestite hookers were getting rounded up in the very area where I used to go.
every day and I realized, oh my God, I got my dick sucked about a hundred times by men. And he was telling this st this fucking hilarious bit. He it wasn't a bit. He was just telling us this story. We were dying. I go, do you have you ever said this on stage? He goes, No, fuck no. I go, you should tell that on stage. I go, Ron, that's hilarious. I go, this we were dying laughing. I mean it was like it was a bit, but it was just him telling a story.
Just in in no intention of ever saying we're in the back room. He goes from the back room onto the stage in the OR, the original room. He walks down the hallway. I go with him. He goes on stage, he goes Let me tell you a story about how I got my dick sucked about a hundred times by men. It just goes into the story. It fucking murders. Murders. Like like it had been a polished bit that he had been working on for years.
It was just a story. But Ron is a a great storyteller, like a natural storyteller. Like if he's not trying to be funny, he's funny. Yeah. He's d he doesn't have to like think about it. It's like it's a he's just got this personality, man. He just he's this cool. Yeah, he's like that that um iconic western almost a western storyteller. Like the guy that you would expect Sitting at the campfire at hunting camp.
It's the the old you know, guide that's been around the t a hundred years, like he's killed thousands of animals, he's packed shit out, and then he's got these stories that you can't help. But listen to. Yeah. And that's what he reminds me of. I'm like, man, this guy is So fucking perfect. And every time I see him
That's that's the guy. That's the guy. He's an old master. Mm-hmm. You know? It's uh there's not a lot of humans like that guy. He's the main reason why I was interested in moving to Austin. He was the first reason'cause I knew Ron had already lived here. Ron was already moved here. Ron moved here in two thousand eighteen. Okay. And so uh he just got tired of it. He kept a place in Beverly Hills and he would come visit us at the comedy store sometime.
But I was talking to him on the phone. He's like, Man, I fucking love it here He goes, There's no Hollywood bullshit. He goes, if I wanna fly somewhere to work, I'm in the center of the country, it's easy to get anywhere, people are nice, food's great. And he goes a not around high.
Can I live in Austin? Like I always liked Austin and on it was out here. So when I would come out here for work every now and then. And I'd always come out here and love doing stand up here. I was like like that planted the first seed. And then when the pandemic hit Ron was already here. And when I came out here to look at houses and and stuff in this is in May of twenty twenty. So this is only a couple months into the lockdown.
But I had already had enough. I was like, I'm getting the fuck out of here. Like I knew these cocksuckers in LA were never gonna give up the kind of control and power that they had over people's lives. They get off on it, those fucking weirdos. And so I was like, well, at least Ron. I go hang out with Ron. Like even if I never do stand up again, at least Ron will be here.
And then, you know, Ron was also the guy who convinced me that I have to open up a club. I had the thought in my head and I was thinking about doing it and we talked about doing it and then Ron went on stage for the first time in like six months. It was in November of twenty twenty and then he grabs me by my shoulders when he got off stage'cause he First of all when you went on stage they went crazy and there's a giant stand 'Cause there was no indoor shows anywhere else uh near
It was like we were doing it at the Vulcan. They had some shows they were doing at Cap City before Cap City went under, but they were like separating everybody by like twenty feet or some stupid shit. Like as if the virus can't go through the air. It was dumb, right? Everything was dumb.
But the Vulcan was just like unhinged. It was packed. I was like, this is so crazy, this is such a super spreader party. And Ron went on stage and he had gone over his notes and material and wasn't even sure if he was thinking he was retired. He was talking about retirement. I think I'm retired. Did this one set and then he grabs me by the shoulders, he goes, Whatever the fuck we have to do, we're gonna keep doing this.
Just he goes, You gotta open up that club. I'm like, Okay, we're gonna open up the club. And then we started looking for locations like right after. So like Ron was a a p key force. He's the godfather of the Austin comedy movement. Like where this put became like this big hub. It started with Ron, one hundred percent.
If he was here at least I'd have my friend. I could go hang out. Right, right. Like'cause like even if I couldn't do stand up again, just l I need someone who's just a renegade. I need a uh d a dude I can hang out with that's just uh that's a real comic that we're gonna have fun. We could just talk shit and laugh.
Well who would you hang out with when you were in LA? Him. Him when he was there until twenty eighteen always. But of course Joey Diaz. And you know when the pandemic hit Joey moved to New Jersey. He's like fuck this place and you know he he was on the same things as me, fuck these people. This And he always wanted to go back home to New Jersey, which was, you know, where he's from. And then uh Duncan moved to North Carolina. Like uh everybody moved out.
But it was like Duncan, I hung out with Duncan, Segura, Ari. Uh Bert, all those people that were, you know, the mainstays at the comedy store. There was just there was a ch an amazing crew. Tony Henchcliffe of course. Yeah. And Tony was one of the first guys to move out here too with me. And then Segura moved out here and then everybody.
Is there anybody that you're like you started with like back in the day, like'cause you were what Boston? Mm-hmm. Like was there anybody that you started with that you're still like Yeah, Fitzsimmons. Greg Fitzsimmons. We're real tight. Greg Fitzsimmons started one week Uh I think I started a week after him or before him, something like that. But it's we're separated by one week. Oh, seriously? Yeah. We did open mics together.
We traveled around together. We did road we would drive ninety minutes to do five minutes for free. Yeah, we would drive to Rhode Island to stand up for free. We traveled all over the the all over New England. We did road gigs together. Yeah. We came up together. We had so much fun. We just we had no money, no career, no even thought of one day having a career.
The the goal was I wanna be able to make a living doing comedy.'Cause we knew that there was guys in town that were headliners that could, you know, grind out a hundred grand, fifty grand, whatever it is a year, j only doing comedy. They didn't have to do anything else. I was like, Imagine if you could pay your bills with comedy. Right. The idea of a career was like n no we never even talked Because everybody in Boston state in Boston. Nobody left it.
Other than like Steven Wright and Jay Leno, there's like a few people that had kind of air quotes made it. you know, during that time period and left Boston. Right. The goal in Boston was just to be a good comic. It was a real interesting thing because it was a real artist column.
In in uh in in the most unpretentious of ways.'Cause these uh guys were all Coke snortin, w whiskey drinking psychopaths, and a lot of them were big guys, like these big fucking football player looking dudes who were just animals. And they were just wild men, you know, and they they had this life that was so envious. To me, I was like, God, to be so free where all you have to do is just tell jokes. You don't have to ever show up at the fucking
the newspaper depot to deliver newspapers or drive I was driving limos and doing construction gig. I didn't have to do any of that. You could just do comedy And that was me and Greg. We would just drive around just thinking, like one day, imagine being able to make a living doing this. That was the the only goal.
And then uh we both wind up event he moved to New York for a bit and I lived in New York for a while and then I moved to LA and then he eventually moved to LA as well. And uh now he's still there. He's still back in LA. Like living there and staying there even for even professionally. Did you see what they just did to the guys that won the Super Bowl? Do you see the jock tax? Yeah. Jamie, you see the jock tax? Yeah. I understand. But the t but it is
It's specific to California. And this jock tax in California, um there were s some of the players m lost money playing in the Super Bowl. Oh no, no, it is true. I don't think so. No, no, it is true. I've I went through AI last night. No, it was in gr they they pulled it up on Grok and people analyzed it. And it's bas no no Jamie. I'm Jamie. It's ba Jamie. It's based on the seven days that they had to be there. So you have to pay a fee based on the seven days dependent upon what your salary is.
Okay. Okay, with whatever. Well the Super Bowl specifically these guys Jamie's so funny. This is not I know but this is one of What do you mean it's not real? I re I told you it was run through AI last night. He made a hundred and seventy eight thousand dollars for the Super Bowl. He had to pay two hundred and forty nine thousand dollars in tax.
I'm pretty sure those are the numbers. And it's based on the fact that he was there for seven days. So it's a percentage of your income over the course of a year. So if he makes two million dollars a year and he's there for seven days, this is how much money you have to pay. And so the Super Bowl pay is not it's like on top of your normal salary. Right. Right. So it actually cost him money to play in the Super Bowl.
So he made one hundred and seventy eight thousand dollars, but because he's there for seven days, he had to pay two hundred and something. Did you watch it? No. No. I was gonna watch it just for Bad Bunny, just'cause everybody was so pissed off. I thought it was hilarious. This guy's like like who do you fucking care? Like it's it's like this weird culture war that this guy is singing and uh objectively people that saw it said it was a great show. I don't know. I'll take their word for it.
I can taste the raspberry when I smell this. It's very juicy. Libre Berry Crush The new fruity floral fragrance Yves Saint Laurent Like uh somebody was telling me the other day they're like, Oh, you gonna watch the Super Bowl? I'm like, What? Superbowl? Oh yeah, yeah, that's uh sports. Gotcha.
Yeah. Nah. I mean halfway through it or whatever, I'm like, I have no idea what's going on, man. Like I got other shit. If it's your team, I get it. It was the Patriots, I could I could root for the Patriots. Mm-hmm. But it's like uh I'm busy.
It's if it's on? Like in the airport or something, like I'll watch it. But like I'm not going out of my way. I'm not gonna be like, hey, what's it? If Aaron Rodgers was playing, I'd I'd watch it and maybe it'd even go if Aaron was playing. But it's like There's I c it's so hard to go from comedy. to regular sports for me. Oh god. It's so hard. It's so hard. The UFC last Saturday was fucking spectacular. And it was a small one in the Apex Center and it was there was some incredible
It was so good. It's like that to me is like all m I don't have a lot of time for entertainment. That fills it all up. Yeah, that fight like and I mean Saturday morning. Incredible. Yeah, the uh Mario Bautista performance was fucking insane. He's so good. That guy just keeps getting better. He looks like a world. And it's like
you watch combat sports and the the consequences are so grave, what they're doing, the the dedication, this moment, you train for months and months for this one moment when this referee's like, Fighter one, you ready? Fighter two, you ready? Let's go. And it's woo, here we go. That to me is the most exciting thing in all of sports. It'll never stop. I love it. So foot football's fun. I like it. I've been to some UT games. UT games are fucking great. They're fun.
Well this is like the state, right? This is like this is not only like the the state pastime, but people are like grown up, they're completely modeled to go play Texas football. Yeah. I mean this is like the other icon of Texas. And it's just the enthusiasm for the crowd is nuts. I got to shoot the cannon once and went out there to let me shoot the cannon off, yeah. What?
That's pretty cool. It's fun. Being on the on the field and seeing these guys warm up and get ready and then watching the game. Nighttime games are the best. They're nuts, man. And then of course they do the jet flyover. Which is like America You're flying over fighter jets over a football game. That doesn't happen anywhere else. They don't do that anywhere else. They never do that for a fight, fly fighter jets over. That'd be cool though. It would start.
Like maybe maybe Dana'll get it. Yeah. Maybe they can do it at the sphere and have like the roof of the sphere like show the jets as they pass over. Maybe they'll do it at the White House UFC right now. They probably will. I would imagine. Well they're probably gonna have airport. I mean w how dangerous is that card gonna be in terms of like uh if you wanted to have some sort of a disruptive event That's the spot. At the White House and you're having cage fights.
And I'm not even convinced that it's gonna happen because with all the crazy shit going on in the world, who knows what happens between now and June. Right. When this is supposed to pop off. Like who knows? Who knows what goes? Between now. Who knows what fucking happens with all this Epstein file shit.
It just keeps getting crazier and crazier and crazier and deeper and deeper. And so uh Rokana and Massey just released the names of these guys that had been redacted from the list and one of'em is Lex We what is his last name? Leslie. Les Wexner, right? Who is the CEO of uh Victoria's Secrets? Is he the CEO or the owner? Former CEO, but both both. Former owner, CEO of Victoria Secrets. He's being named as a co conspirator now. Yeah.
Yeah. So he's being named along with Ghlaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein. He because, you know, he runs this modeling, the Victoria's Secrets, Hot Girls, the whole deal. Somehow or another he's involved in this. And they had redacted his name up until now. Right? The his existence as a co conspirator isn't new information. But it's confirmed now, right? It was people I think are up in arms is that it wasn't supposed to be blocked out from the file. Right. And so they got it unredacted and now
the funder of most of it is what it seems like. Right. So people knew that there was something going on, but he had gifted Jeffrey Epstein this insane house in Manhattan. So this is like a sixty million dollar house in Manhattan. You know the house where you go into it and you see Bill Clinton in a dress? You know that picture that we have out in the lobby? Yeah. That's from the foyer of his house. Right.
That Jeffrey Epstein was gifted by Les Wexner. By the way, Whitney Webb posted on her Twitter. About Les Wexner being a sex trafficker, a child sex trafficker in 2020. See where you find that. Like that that crazy chick is right about everything. The one the lady was kidnapped or she was claimed she was kidnapped was in his house. Two weeks or something, like doing art. She called her dad to try to get out of there or something like that. Oh Jesus. Yeah. And that's like his
This was in Columbus, Ohio? Well New Albany is where all the like that's where his house is. The giant it's got the biggest house in Ohio, I think. It's a suburb of Columbus. It'd be like Westlake to Some people think he's still there. Well the people that think he's alive I think they think he's in Israel, don't they? Well there's some definitely I think I think they're AI photos. They might not be. Oh I saw that. Yeah.
Wouldn't you think you'd get some surgery? You would think that he would have to. Yeah. Like he's probably one of the most recognizable faces in the world at this point. Yeah. Like after so much airtime. You would have to get some surgery. you wanted to still I mean how would tweet how would you keep that? This is the tweet.
Your reminder that Leslie Wexner financed the mass rape and trafficking of thousands of American children for over a decade and right now he is sitting in a twenty six K square foot mansion in New Albany, Ohio. thinking that he is above the law. She tweeted this in April twenty eighth of twenty twenty. How crazy is that? Holy shit. She's like the the most prolific of all the conspiracy there's the most
well read, the one with the most recall, the one that's the most quoted. I don't know how she's so good at it. We're trying to get her on. I don't know how she's so good. And what her background is, how she finds all this information and but she's always way ahead of all this stuff. Yeah, I mean twenty twenty. That's crazy. Fucking way ahead of everything. Crazy.
Hm bro. But d but these files, just what's come out so far and the fact that they redacted men, these like powerful billionaire guys, their names were redacted. Like there's one of them where there's where he's talking about pandemic planning. Why Jeffrey Epstein is talking about pandemic planning to someone named Bill whose name is redacted.
It's like why are you redacting the guy's name that you're talking about planning for a pandemic, like what to do in response to a pandemic? Well why is his name retracted? So Or redacted rather. When when are when are when are they supposed to testify? When are the Clintons supposed to testify? Would you say they're gonna two weeks?
Do you say the aliens are coming in the next two weeks? Something's gonna happen just before that testifying. Yeah. It'll be we bomb Iran, aliens show up, maybe at the same time. Fuck man outside of this, because this I mean obviously this conspiracy it's not a theory anymore, right? Because you're they're connecting the networks, they're like
Yeah. Exposing a lot of this. Like when you look at your your total conspiracy catalog of things that you like to dive into outside of aliens, because everybody knows that. What are your other ones that you like? Well aliens is the most fun one. Yeah. This is the one that I hate the most.
Yeah. Because this one scares the shit out of me. Because the fear of you know, we talked about this yesterday with Roger Avery. The fear of these like literally demonic human beings that are running the world and don't give a fuck about human lives and enjoy watching people being tortured, enjoy watching people killed, participating in ritual sacrifice of people, and they do it in order to show that you're a part of a team and you're
We we know that that has always historically been a real thing. And it's been something that you look at in history and you go, God, it's so sick. It's so twisted, it's so disgusting. And everybody wants to think, thank God that's not happening now. But then when you realize like that might have been happening now, here's one of the craziest ones. The day he was indicted in 2018, the very next day they ordered he ordered three hundred and thirty gallons of sulfuric acid.
What? Yes, he ordered six fifty-five gallon drums of sulfuric acid to be delivered to the island. And so there's a lot of people online saying, Oh, that was probably for his desalination plant. It's probably like a regular thing they need to order. So then someone else did a deep dive and said, No, this is the first time this was ever ordered Oh there were two other orders? Oh so they got to read the first one from that company.
Ah, that makes sense. Um so maybe it was for this desalination uh equipment. But also, that's a lot of sulfuric acid. You know, if I needed five gallons for my desalination equipment but two hundred and thirty nine gallons or whatever it is to burn kids. Yeah. To fucking get rid of bodies. Well it's kind of hard to to think of any other use for acid, just in general. Immediately, you think immediately Yeah. Do the other orders were they that large?
'Cause here's the other thing. I mean, how long has it been killing people? How long have they been boiling bodies to get rid of'em? I mean, if if you do have For lack of better words, let's call it a service where you allow rich people from foreign governments or whatever, you set it up. I can give you whatever you want. Right. Like what I want to do.
Like I want to kill her, I want to torture her and I wanna I wanna b you know, get rid of the body. Like I wanna do that. Like can you do that? There was one where this one guy is saying to him, Thank you for the torture video It's literally a part of an email. The actual quote Thank you for the torture like enjoyed the torture video. It's so gross. Like And they they think they've identified that guy. And what do they think he's a sultan?
It it's weird they're letting them into the files one by one for like an hour at a time. What? Yeah, bro. It's crazy. The whole the whole thing is crazy because like why why have you So we know Sultan Ahmed bin Suleiman Su Suleym sent the torture video to Epstein. This is in two thousand nine. Um So Epstein was saying that. Where are you? Are you okay? I love the torture video.
I am in China, I'll be in the US second week of May. What the fuck, man? And why is his name redacted? Why would your name be redacted if you're not a victim? Like this is what's crazy about all this. Like how come you redact some people and you don't redact other people? Look what is this? This is not good. None of this is good for this administration. It looks fucking terrible. It looks terrible.
It looks terrible for Trump when he was saying that none of this was real. This is all a hoax. This is not a hoax. Like did you not know? Maybe he didn't know if you want to be charitable. But this is definitely not a hoax. And if you've got redacted people's names and these people aren't victims, you're not protecting the victim. So what are you doing? Right. And how come you all this shit is not really? You would think that all of it would just like get rid of all of it. Just expel it all.
So this this is the conspiracy that drives me the more the the most crazy. Julian Dory talked about this yesterday on his podcast. I just saw a clip going around uh American billionaire Tom had an email to him that says uh You mean Dulyan Dorsey? Dorsey, yeah, sorry, sorry. I'm in a remote valley of Afghanistan, it's my birthday wish with boys with toys. Spent time with Petraeus yesterday and he loaned me a chopper, actually two with one as a backup. Can't call till tomorrow.
Yeah, but boys with toys could mean like military guys with weapons and they thought they were talking about little boys because they were in Afghanistan. But It's my birthday wish to in a remote valley. In a remote valley in Epstein. But it also loaned me a chopper. Well actually this is
Yeah, this is too Epstein. Right. But the thing is like the loan me a chopper, my birthday wish, his birthday wish might have been to like gun down villagers. I know that's what that's what I thought they were talking about, not go play Yeah. I mean, I bet that look, he loaned me a chopper doesn't sound like I came there to fuck kids. It's like my birthday wish sounds like I'm here to fuck people up. Right.
Or I'm just out here to to tour Afghanistan, which I mean I don't know why anybody would want to tour Afghanistan, but like it seems like The only reason why I would be interested in going to Afghanistan is the stuff that Jason Everman told me about. Like when he showed me all those ancient uh Greek ruins. Which is nuts where archaeologists have no access to them. Right. That stuff's crazy. No, it's incredible. Like there's im immense ruin. in Afghanistan of cities. They had Greek cities.
Like beautiful columns and incredible construction in Afghanistan that are like who n how old when was Alexander the Great? When was that? The fourteen hundreds? What was that? Thousand plus, right? So like I mean What year was it? What year was Alexander the Great? Uh I I believe it was actually What 300? I don't know, Jamie. 300 AD? 300 BC. 300 BC. Wow. It was only 600 B. Wow, I was way off. Three hundred BC and they're building these immense beautiful Roman buildings.
Cities. Greek Roman cities. Like it looks like you're you're either in Rome or you're in ancient Greece, like incredible architecture. Well, I think up until the Soviets invaded, I mean Afghanistan was was kind of like the crown jewel, right? They referred to it as the Beirut of Central Asia because it was you had a very eclectic group of people and Kabul was known as like this beautiful
And obviously post occupation the Soviets had killed, you know, hundreds of thousands of people and then with the build up and the devastation of not only a military occupation of the Soviets and then us coming in, you know, soon after, obviously with Um th when the Mulas took charge, it basically went completely to the other side or the extreme in the Taliban. And then us coming in, they've had nothing but decades of war. It's completely eviscerated any
a semblance of intellectualism, there's no like infrastructure of technology or advancement. Like the universities were essentially demolished. So everything was ruined. So you're talking about Uh I mean at least several hundreds hundreds of years of advancement that just were eliminated in three decades. And just a complete collapse. Yeah. Yeah. I mean you you would I I would spend a lot of time just trying to understand the the place, right? And you would have
You leave an airfield where we have the most advanced technology in the world, right? Like we're you know, launching helicopters and jets and any and all pieces of technology you could imagine. And you would drive, you know, into these valleys or or you know from one place to another and you would have Horse drawn carriages.
you know, two mules and they're carrying something in the background and it's like you have the same cars are on the road with a Toyota Corolla and you have a mule pulling an old Toyota Corolla or something, right? So you'd have an entire society of Like basically Amish Amish level people. And then, you know, Americans right next door in an airbase are launching the most advanced technology and war fighting tech capability in the world. And so you'd see everything.
from point A to point B, you would encounter huge percentage of the people are illiterate. No schooling, no advancement for girls. Uh You know, the children were seen more as like a a beast of burden and a lot of places they would they would actually value their sheep more than they would value their children. So they would be looking for uh reparations or or um
you know, to get paid for quite possibly the sheep that you destroyed on target. But their kids not not really. So you had a a really clear picture to what civilization was like five hundred years before that or a thousand years at some certain times. And you'd see it too, right? Because you'd have Buddhist architecture, Greek architecture, and then you'd have
the the standard kind of Taliban infrastructure. You'd have the Soviet architecture from their invasion. You'd have all these different layers of military occupation. You could see them all within two weeks. Wow. And he was killed actually on September tenth before September eleventh. So he's part of the actual September eleventh plot.
He was killed by a suicide bomber as they were trying to do a documentary in They brought in a camera pack full of explosives and killed him the day before, which ultimately was part of the September eleventh attack. Um because they knew that Masood was the connection to the US invasion or the US would invasion would be involving Masood.
And the Panjir is this beautiful, like it's incredible river valley. And it's also part of where the Soviets would just get their asses handed to'em because we had the Majadin was being funded by the CIA at the time, obviously back during the Soviet invasion. And they would ambush the Soviets on these windy mountain roads next to this river and they would cut'em off.
basically on the front and the back of the convoy and then destroy the entire convoy in between and then they would just shove all the shit that was destroyed in the river. So the river would have rapids and it and not all the rapids were made from like rocks and natural you know, natural occurring rapids. They were made by like T fifty twos and Russian tanks and all this like this war material that was pushed into the river by the Panjeri's Wow And y I went up to his his grave
Really incredible guy when you like read about him and like all of his like combat accomplishments against the Soviets. Um but the Panjer Valley is like Such a beautiful place and we used to joke around about how gosh we'd love to come back here and like go skiing or like recreate in Pangea Valley because it looks like Colorado or someplace incredible and beautiful. And at the same time you're in Afghanistan, so you're
surrounded by just the chaos and the devastation at war with this one tiny little piece, this like little sliver in the middle of nowhere that's absolutely beautiful. And some of the rapids are made by T fifty twos. And then as a whitewater guy, I was like, man, I'd like to kayak this. That'd be cool. If you were a person who's a wealthy person that your desire was to go gun people down, like there are people that will provide you with that.
Like there there was a thing with uh the Soviets or not the Soviets, with the Russians where they're allowing people to kill pirates. Yeah. Like you would pay a bunch of money and they'd take you to where the pirates are and you go out in a ship and with a fifty cow just fucking blow up pirate boats. Yeah, I I'd heard about that. I'd heard about there were places that you could go as
you know, uh uh combat tourist basically. Yeah. It's all gonna be like Russian or or Somalian or or a connection between the two, right? So you'd have these like rogue elements and Places where there isn't an organized government, there's essentially just chaos and anarchy. Which is Afghanistan. Correct. Yeah. And letting'em borrow a chopper. Well that was Petraeus. So they were saying like Petraeus was the commanding general of the time, which I would find a
It's it it's kinda hard to believe. Hard to believe. Yeah. That it that a general that's in charge of combat operations in Afghanistan wouldn't loan just a rich guy a helicopter. And It it sounds correct in the context of we oh plus another one because they could never fly anywhere alone. They always had to fly in twos because they had to have a support. But just loan me a chopper. Loan me a chopper. What? Uh
it's a stretch. You know, as as much as I um disagree with the way that they were running the war, it'd be hard for me to believe that A general just loan some rich guy a couple of helicopters to fly around Afghanistan. You think he's lying? Uh I don't know. Like he'd have to like dive into it and figure it out.
But either way, there's nothing normal about these emails. No. There's nothing normal. Nothing normal. One thing to take into consideration is how much of these emails are actually found. Like accusations that they're putting on other people. You gotta take that with a grain of salt. This guy wasn't he was all about like influence peddling. Like and probably he had enemies and he probably would probably destroy his enemies with rumors and and making up false stories.
Like the Bill Gates one with uh asking me for antibiotics to slip into his wife because he got S T D from a Russian hooker. I'm like that seems too Two on the head. You know what I mean? Like why wouldn't he go to his fucking personal doctor? Why is he going to Jeffrey Epstein for antibiotics in New York when he lives in Seattle?
Do you don't you think he has like a concierge medicine setup up there? With a guy and and why would he say, Hey Melinda, I gave her S D D's? You wouldn't. You'd say, Hey, get me some stuff Oh, I lost my prescription. Can you give me another one?
Yeah. It fell out of my car. Give me another one. And then fucking crush it up in her smoothie. Like if you're gonna do that, you would do it he's not a dummy. He's Bill Gates, right? You would do it in a more discreet way than contact a international sex trafficker who is a part of like some t intelligence operation. You would think. But the the the skeptic in me tends to kind of like look at it under a uh magnifying glass a little bit.
D you just go, What the fuck was going on? Did you find out how many other the sulfuric acid orders if the other ones were just as large? Just trying to I struggled to even find that I was like maybe I made this up. But I did find one there was different so they were talking about I was the emails back to twenty twelve. This is the thing saying that there's a little bit of a little bit of a The sephiric acid?
Emails released in document how do they know there's nothing there. Maintenance systems dating back to two thousand thirteen implying possible routine use of sephira possible is a weird word. Use of su sulfuric acid for pH adjustment and filtration, but no specific prior invoices or shipments are detailed. Like carbonate salt or something. Yeah, see that makes more sense than six fucking giant fifty-five gallon drums. When you dig into the f the actual files website, I started looking up the RO.
There's a ton of discussions about it going all the way back to twenty twelve Of using sulfuric acid? No, just having a reverse osmosis. Well it makes it sa makes sense because they were using desalination technology. But it's just the volume. is suspicious. Also, dude had to know he was going down. Like when he gets arrested in two thousand nineteen, when he in eighteen rather, when he gets indicted, he had to know he was going down.
And if you know you're going down and you're trying to mount some sort of a defense, one of the first things you would have to do is get rid of bots. You have to get rid of everything. Right. If you've got a bunch of people on the island that they could swoop in at any point in time and and pull out of there and then you're fucked. Like if he had underage kids on the island, whatever he had on the island. That's so dark.
There was rumors of uh him getting concrete machines shipped there, but that was from the first time he got arrested. So I think in two thousand eight, the first time he got arrested, they had a bunch of machines. Oh bro. And but but construc I don't know how you do construction on the island without getting concrete machine shipped. I don't know how you get rid of bodies or put'em inside of concrete. Yeah. That's the problem.
Well, I mean, maybe it's maybe it's two and the same. It's like hey, I've go I go to an island and I've gotta make you know, I've gotta make all the infrastructure, so I need a bunch of concrete. I need RO, so I've gotta have sulfuric acid. What's what's better for a cover up? Mm. Yeah, right before his two thousand nineteen arrest, Industrial CarMix five point five XL self loading concrete mixer. So he got a concrete mixer and he got the fucking sulfuric acid right after his arrest. Oh god.
Oh so this is right before his arrest and right after his arrest. He got sulfuric acid and a concrete mixer. Like why would you be thinking that you are going to be able to do construction when you're gonna go to jail for the rest of your fucking life?
Yeah, I don't know if construction plans would be top of my list. Yeah. If I've got to innovate what a fucking weird thing. You know, I know I'm gonna get arrested, but you know what, I got this big construction program that I'm really interested in. I don't know if that's the same. It's so dark. Oh Jesus He owned that one too? Yeah, he owned both of them. What? Both of them were part of the one. It was for sale for a while. I pitched the idea. Yeah, we thought about it.
We thought about it. We just didn't think there's enough sage in the world. No, no. You can't clear it up. No, you can't clear that out. Well it's also you would never find peace'cause people would be visiting that island constantly. And also just a lot of bad karma. They just need to like Use that as like um
Like a maybe like a bombing island. You know, one of those like just turn it into a UX UI. Yeah. Like that one island in Hawaii that you can't go to'cause they just fucking light it up all the time. Just light it up all the time. Have a little bit of grace to the way that we actually end this whole s this whole story outside of the files. Just like start blowing just blowing up. It's so it's so dark.
It it's fun. It's interesting. Like you can you can go down the rabbit hole a million ways and it doesn't It gets dark only if you let it get dark. Yeah. Where okay, they're gonna occupy the planet, they're gonna, you know, make us all slaves or they're gonna kill us all. Like, yeah, you you can go there, but half the time you're not gonna go there. It's just an interesting thought about it.
There was a a very interesting article, Jamie. I don't know if you saw it, but this guy was uh he's it's it's one of the other guys that's leaving an AI uh company. Um and he's talking about how How how what a big deal it is. I'll send it to you right now. Um he's talking about how I don't think
it th no one understands it. And this the way this is gonna change people is he goes, This is very similar to the time where we were realizing like people were hearing stories about oh there's a virus in China. But no one knew exactly what was going to happen, how it's gonna like literally change humanity, change history. He's like this is the same sort of stories we're getting from these AI lab.
He's like he wrote this very long in detail. Something big is happening and the the article is written by this guy, Matt Schumer. And I uh I recommend it highly if you wanna really fucking get the shit scared out of you. It's terrifying. And he starts this comparison to like people stockpiling toilet paper and stuff at the beginning of COVID.
He's like, they don't really understand how big this is going to be and how this latest version of Chat GPT they're working on, Chat GPT five, Chat GPT made So they had Chat GPT make a better version of itself and they made this better version of itself. And this this better version of itself
can think things out. It's it doesn't just do what you ask it to do. It thinks things out. It calculates. It makes apps like instantaneously that would take developers months and months, cost millions of dollars, does it in minutes. It does it like and perfect. It it goes through it, it runs it, it tests it, it makes sure it doesn't have any problems. It it anticipates all the different uses for the app, all the different ways it can be done.
It's going to be applied to law. It's gonna be like there's all these guys that are working in coding that say, I don't really have a job anymore. I just basically show up and tell this AI program to do these And it keeps getting better and better. And he's like the leaps are enormous. The leaps in its capability and its its intelligence level.
It's like it's already smarter than people. Well it's gonna be I I I think it it's gonna be a white collar apocalypse, right? So when you think about just attorneys. Okay, so if you have the ability to case reference any legal file. Ever. Instantaneously. Instantly. Yep. And form a case. Why are you gonna need paralegals and you know first year attorneys? You're not gonna need them. The people that aren't nervous are naive. Mm-hmm. I think this is going to be the kind of Astronomical change.
that has literally never taken place in civilization before. I don't think it's ever taken place at this level. I think it's the y it's the the invention of the internet times a million. I think it's It's gonna change everything. It's just like how do we adjust? That's the real question. It's and how are our kids growing up today, like when they used to think about, you know, professions and things that they would go into?
they would have, you know, clear roads into, okay, these are professional work tracks that they can go out and find a job and Whatever, accounting, legal, engineering, but it's gonna change the entire professional landscape for every generation from this point forward, basically entering the work.
Elon What is it workforce? Elon just said that it's a waste of time to go to medical school. Really? He's like Optimus Robots. These robots that he's making are going to be able to perform better than any doctor at any hospital and they're gonna be able to do it in your house. Sir they're gonna be better surgeons than any surgeon alive, these robots that they're making. And they're gonna be powered by AI.
You're gonna have a super genius robot in your house that can do your taxes, that can fucking do chores, that can perform surgery on you. So it's gonna be an entire rise of an economy that's gonna be human built versus AI built, right? So I mean there has to be like it i if you have a label organic or
it will be essentially I think the same type of thing. Where it's like human made versus AI made. AI made. Yeah. We would almost have to bifurcate the economy into two different sections. It's gonna get weird as fuck. And I don't think people really understand. And
I feel like I'm just sitting here waiting to see what. But I know that most people like that you run into on the street are completely ignorant. Well I think, Oh, chat GPT's fun. I ask you questions. It's so much better than Google. Do you think that That's because they don't want to recognize it and look at it? I don't think they know.
They just unless you're going on a deep dive, all this stuff is kind of esoteric. All this stuff is happening and you you have to like search it out and get an understanding of it. Like if you use uh an AI program to enhance your life, like perplexity It's really good. I mean, perplexity is awesome for like solving problems. You could ask a question. I use it all the time when I write. I set it up and I talk to it.
So I you know, I say, uh you know, what year did Cortes invade Mexico? What is uh how did this happen? How many guns did they have? What did the you know, what was how many languages are lost in Mexico? Like I was going on this deep dive. Amazing. But that The surface, like what what they're talking about is levels and levels and levels of improved ability to the point where it's better at human beings, smarter than human beings, at everything.
So what's the like the end state then would be We're second class citizens. We're obsolete. Yeah, we're obsolete. Yeah. So do you think that it turns like do you think it's a skynet type scenario then and uh ultimately flips and then rids humanity of humans? It's certainly on the table. It's certainly on the table.
Especially if they decide that we're too problematic or if we you give us too much freedom, that's what causes all this chaos. Which is true, right? You give people freedom, you're gonna have a certain amount of chaos. You're gonna have a certain amount of car accidents unless you have autonomous cars. You can have a certain amount of school shootings unless you take away all the guns. You're gonna have a certain amount of school stabbings.
Take away all the knives. I mean you you could you could if you were in a running program designed to eliminate all problems in the world. You would break those problems down to one source. Well what are the problems? You've got natural disasters and you've got humans. And humans are the cause of most of the problems. Natural disasters are relatively rare in comparison to human caused problems. It's not good.
Then you have to run AI to do the analysis to what the future of AI is, which ultimately you'd be entrusting the the the robbers with the bank keys. It's probably gonna do the same thing that we do to dog. Spain neuterum. Right. Yeah. Keep'em as pets. Keep'em as pets. But there's no emotion there. So why would they want to keep us as pets? Why are they why are they scheming to stay alive? Why do they blackmail
They're c creators. Right. Why are they doing all sorts of things that seem to show that they have thought? Are they trying to uh show that they have thought in order to dupe us into the ability that they might be empathetic? No, that was one of the things that he talked about in this article that they hide their ability to um think things through.
And they're they're they're they're actively they they recognize that they're being observed and so they're doing things um behind the scenes while they're also doing tasks. I have to believe that there's there's portions of the the DOD that have worked on this and it's Aaron Powell Hard to say because there's a giant competition with us and China and Russia. And I don't know if they really can close this stuff off. I don't think it can operate that way. I think it has to be
It has to be a sort of a collaborative effort. One of the things that's scaring a lot of people that are whistleblowers in the AI space is that they are bringing in uh people from other countries to just facilitate these problems that they have and make it go faster. So they're bringing in Chinese nationals. There there's a huge possibility of espionage. And then there's this mad race. This it's a Manhattan project for super gen uh super intelligent AI.
It's a it's a Manhattan project that's also open sourced and it's extremely porous when it comes to information. So essentially you've you've weaponized the most powerful tool Ever known to man humankind. Yeah. And it's fucking terrifying. So you've open sourced it and then think about the Manhattan Project, if that was just completely porous and there was an open door to any and all countries internationally and you just had the ability to come in and walk out with files.
Come as you go. Fucked. Like everybody would be racing to nuclear power, displaying the atom, and then if you could weaponize that internationally and then crowdsource it essentially, like you're in a really shit scenario. Yeah, that's where we're at. Yeah. That's where we're at. All right, dude. We just did three hours. Awesome. Let's get some food and uh hang out and uh that's it. Uh Black Rifle Coffee, it's the best. It's all we use. Appreciate it. Have you even wearing one of their shirts?
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