#2452 - Roger Avary

Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! The Joe Rogan experience. Yeah, fuck it. Fuck it. Fuck it. Go for it. We'll fuck it. We'll do it live. Yeah, do it live. That's a classic. Yeah. That's a classic look behind the scenes. Fucking crazy crazy people telling you the news. Yeah. Th that's good and the the William Shatner one where uh you know the um studio guy, you know, he says uh Shatner's doing some ADR for uh the cartoon, the Star Trek cartoon. And he says uh you know, he s uses the word sabotage.

And he gets corrected by the by the studio guys like uh Bill, it's pronounced sabotage. Please, don't correct me, it disgusts me. Sickens me. And you say sabotage. I say sabotage. I l absolutely love William Shatner as My favorite ones are the Orw uh excuse me. Well I can't remember his name. Um Rosebud. Orson Wells. Jesus Christ. Orson Wells. What happened?

I know. What happened? My brain just uh nope no access. When Orson Wells was doing the Gallo wine commercials. Oh yeah. Remember those days? Like Orson Wells Some Wine Before it's time. I know. And then he was like everything was like a exhaustive sucking of air to come in to speak. But then he was making fun of how shitty the wine was in between takes, like he was angry. Yeah.

There is a C D that you can get. I can't remember what it's called, but I have them at home and it's like all these radio things like that where just when celebrities, you know, lose it on uh while doing voiceover and ADR. It Hilarious. Orson Rells is a crazy story, right? Because when he made that movie, when he made Citizen Kane, which was about William Randolph Hearst, yeah, William Randolph Hearst essentially shut down one of the most talented guys alive at the time.

Shut down his career. Yeah, because the movie was kind of an insult about you know, the whole thing about Rosebud is that's the name of his girlfriend's clitoris. That was his nickname for her clitoris. And so Orson Wells was doing a kind of very uh uh like uh Like uh he was jabbing at him in a very low level way.

Really? Yeah, Rosebell. How did he know that that was the nickname of his girlfriend's clitoris? People in Hollywood know these things. Well boy. Word gets around. Word gets around. I would keep that one just to her. Yeah. Who told? Yeah. That's crazy. But I mean, if you go back to like War of Worlds and then Citizen Kane, I mean this guy was a dynamo and then they shut him down.

Well yeah, and he was doing things that nobody else would do. It's like he's like, Oh, I want the camera down here, like on the phone. Well, we can't get the camera lens down that low. You like you what you're talking about is impossible to do. And so he would just grab uh like a pickaxe and just start chopping away at the studio concrete and dig a hole in the ground so you can put the camera down that low. Oh really? Yeah, he would he was uh obsessed with getting uh a vision on screen that was

Uh even today is so advanced. There's a shot in the very beginning when uh young Kane is like a little kid and he's out there playing with roses. He's out there playing with the sled in the snow and the camera is on him and then it kinda starts pulling back and it pulls through a window and then we see his parents and the

the trust attorney and the camera keeps backing up all the way into the room. Well to do that in a studio and to have all that snow and everything, you need so much light, but you also need a lot of light inside the uh because uh the exposure change It's like an amazing, incredible uh d dolly shot, a reverse tracking shot. It's fantastic. And what year did he do this too? Citizen Kane has to be forties, right? Yeah, yeah, probably. It's uh

Yeah, it's in the nineteen late forties, I would think. Is that what it was, Jamie? Yeah. Tell us the Forty one. Early for early forties. Early forties. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Let me see that shot. Wartime. Can we find that? Wartime. It's a wartime film. What Jamie? I was I was looking for it. I was lost. Wartime forties. Right. Yeah. Right. It's a war crazier. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't even think of that. Yeah. Oh my god. Probably hard to get people to go to the movies.

No, it would be easy to go to the movie.'Cause in fact war time and depression and when things are bad, that's usually the best time for entertainment'cause people just want to escape. Uh well that actually makes sense. Yeah. Be careful, Charles. Pull your muffler around your neck, Charles. Cain, I think we shall have to tell him now. Yes. I'll sign those papers now, Mr. Ferrari.

You people seem to forget that I'm the boy's father. It's going to be done exactly the way I've told Mr. Thatcher. There ain't nothing wrong with Colorado. I don't see why we can't raise our own son just because we come into some money. If I want it, I can go to court. A father has a right to.

A border that beats his bill and leaves worthless stock behind. That property is just as much my property as anybody's, now that it's valuable. And if Fred Graves had any idea all this was going to happen, he'd have made out those certificates in both our names. However, they were made out in Mrs. Kane's name.

So in order to maintain that background exposure of the little kid in the window and the foreground, y what's what you're not knowing is how much light they're using on the interior part in order to create that balance between the two with the with the film stocks back then. And the other thing is that table gets flown in. Like they move that table into the shot because it's in the way of the camera.

Wow. And so there's all sorts of like, you know, mathematics going on in the creation of this shot. And most people would just, you know, be like, oh, just, you know, shoot the kid outside and then cut inside and you know, just do it like that. But you know, Wells was I mean he was thinking on a complete other level. It's just we've robbed we got robbed of so many films. If you really think about it, what he could have made.

Yes and no. My favorite film of his is Touch of Evil and there's this amazing shot in with Charlton Heston where he's playing a Mexican and he's got like this like pencil thin uh you know mustache that's

And uh like Chuck Heston as a Mexican is fantastic. And then everybody's so sweaty in the movie and it takes place in Mexico, but it's shot in Venice, it California. And so the whole opening, which is this setting of a bomb in the trunk of a car and then yeah, here's the opening shot and you can tell that it's actually downtown Venice. And this is supposed to be Mexico? Yeah, this is supposed to be like a border town in Mexico. I don't know if it's Tijuana. Some other border tent.

But it's he does this this amazing, amazing single shot. Wow. And which back then this is really hard to do. And this is kind of a um I mean it's Charlton Heston esse essentially saying, I uh I believe in Orson Wells and his vision. See that's that's downtown Venice. There's the beach is just beyond that. Ah wow. God, what year is this? Or actually I'm sorry, the beach might be behind us. What year was this? Yeah, nineteen fifty-eight. Wow.

It's an incredible shot. And and this is an incredibly difficult to do as well because you've got a crane. And now you're following the people. Now you're following the people. And there's Charlton Heston with his mustache. And we know as an audience that there's a bomb in that car, but he doesn't know. Wow. You know, the just the fact that this is all one shot is crazy. And for back then, I mean it's a big deal. Back then the camera that you're using isn't just some little

uh handicam or something like that now, you know, an iPhone. It's a Mitchell BNCR, which is uh you know, it takes four guys to move that camera. It's made out of cast iron. You know, it's uh a giant camera with a blimp. And uh blimp? A blimp is uh a soundproofing device. It's so you have the camera and then you've got to build a giant uh encasing for the camera. Because it makes so much noise. You don't want to hear that. What did that look like?

Um I have one in my home. It's uh Of course you do. Well I That shot's incredible. I I would have never I didn't know that film existed. I bought I bought mine from this commercial director named Charles Wittenmeyer and he had a massive collection of stuff and then he liquidated everything he just kinda cashed out of Los Angeles and he

He had a warehouse full of stuff. And so I went in and he's like, you know, well, here's you can get this and you can get this. I was like, okay, the Mitchell BNCR. And we went over to it and he's like, you know, this Mitchell BN CR was used uh you know to shoot uh the Godfather.

So that's what it looks like with the big lid on it? Yeah. That's actually yeah, that's basically the camera. That's that's the camera. Is that the I also have some camera? The blimp is the thing on top of it? Yeah, the blimp is well the whole thing is actually the whole thing is a blimp. I mean well there's there's a smaller um with a blimp on it. The the big one, like the whole thing is a blimp and when you can actually open up all of these uh

These trap doors on it to reveal the camera inside of it. And then the reels that uh are in s there you go. It's there's an open one. An opened up one. One of the things about old movies is they would let a scene cook. You know, the you had so much time before people would talk and you just let the like the average daily life sort of play out.

Yeah. And it set the tone for the film and they don't then now it's like er it's like built for Netflix. Well yeah, well now you have a white paper that Netflix gives you and that I think uh uh was it Ben Affleck that was talking about it? You know how You know, you've got to have a beat in the beginning and you've got to have this and this and this in regular things and I mean Th there was this book by Sid Field which was a screenwriting book um that

You know, at one hand it gave a kind of formula on what a movie should be. You know, by page seven your inciting event should happen. by page thirty, the first you know, he he had everything mapped out by page and that eventually found its way into the hands of studio executives and they were like, Oh, now we know what a screenplay is supposed to be structured like, you know, in order to have proper

story arcs and structures and a satisfying uh design. And uh and that's just the next iteration is Netflix giving you a white paper saying you have to shoot with these cameras, you have to uh process at these levels. You have to have, you know, tech specs that are within this range and that's now extending to story because they've analytically looked at what audiences are

you know, able to process now, which is less and less, probably because of the COVID shot, you know, uh completely frying their pineal glands so that they can no longer pay attention to anything. And then on top of that the uh the mind control device of uh cell phones. And um you know, with all of that they they're now like, well how do we maintain the audience? And

So you end up with white papers. Don't you think it's options too? It's almost like if something is not really fascinating within the first twenty, thirty seconds, people just wanna let's see what else is on. They just wanna keep Searching. Well, there is that. I mean there's something magical about being in a movie theater. You know, it's uh you know, you're

You're s you're you're in this congregation. Yeah. You know, Qu Quentin always always talks about how, you know, well, movies are my church. Well It is a congregation and you're having you're sitting in the dark next to someone you don't even know. They might have completely different ideologies. you know, race, creed, color, like everything is different about them, and yet you're sitting in the dark next to them.

Having this ecstatic dream, this waking dream, sitting like insects looking at the flicker on the screen, and you're sharing this kind of experience that you're physically trapped in, you know, like you you don't you know, you don't get up and leave the theater and well, you might if you have to go

Get some popcorn or something, but they'll even bring that to you now. You uh you know you're having this kind of ecstatic experience absorbing the movie with someone you don't know, and you're sharing your bodily electricity with them. And I think this kind of uh This is the magic that they often talk about of movies. It's not necessarily the the movie itself on screen. It's the shared experience of being next to people. Yeah. And that

i th there is a kind of unseen electricity between people. Absolutely. And I think that there are dark forces in the universe that are attempting to divide people up. And to take that away, to take away that congregation. Do you really think that that's on by design, or you think that's just a natural function of streaming and televisions and phones and having access to things instantaneously?

Like By design, but w isn't it just a function of technology emerging? Well, yeah, I mean part of it is technology, but technology gets pushed and brought to the forefront for specific reasons. And You know, m digital cinema hasn't been the greatest thing for the creative process, and I think we see that in the works that we're looking at. I mean if you watch stuff on Netflix and And also, you know, when you were making a movie, when you were making a film on film

You're burning money. It's like every single frame is like four cents or whatever whatever the calculation was. And so uh i that was actually an expensive part of the process. And so You know, there was all this preparation to get everything ready, like oh we want to get all of the the props in place, you know, right before we shoot and the actors are in their trailer and their

figuring out their what they're gonna do and then you're on your way to set and people are like, Hey, I'll see you in the moment. And what they mean by that is when the m cameras turn on and you actually hear that happening. suddenly everything pops into play. And suddenly you're you're performing in front of uh you know, you're you're

And you're what you're attempting to do is capture lightning in a bottle. And you don't even know that you have it right away. You ask your DP like, do we have it? And it's like, oh well some dust in the frame or a hair in the frame. Let's get another one. You get another one and like then you hold that all in the dark, all that film, because you can't expose it and you send it off to the lab.

And then some alchemist at the lab at the castle, you know, puts it into a potion and he and the next day what comes out are these like little stained glass windows and you watch it and y and you realize what you caught and you're like, We did it, we we captured something. Okay, now everything is different. You uh you know, you show up on set and everything's digital and you've got producers. Uh network executives. broadcasters and everybody's there, studio people in video village.

Canadian goose uh jackets on high chairs and they're looking at a big color corrected monitor and there's a guy doing color correction in a van. And they're basically watching an approximation of what it's gonna look like in the end. And they're sitting there. Okay, on my first film, there was none of that. I had to stand next to the camera. We didn't even have video tap. Stand next to the camera and look at the actors and see did the actors do what I wanted them?

And now you know you they just turn on the camera and it's it costs more money to stop the camera and to restart it again. So you just let it roll. And you're just like letting it go. And you're like, hey, you know, the director now is like, hey, go back, start over, and smile this time. And then they redo it. And then the editor is now like having to take those takes and separate them in the uh in the editing room. And the actors are like suddenly the moment is gone, in in other words.

It's vanished. Is there a way to do both? I mean, is it the medium of film? I mean it seems like it's the environment but it's the environment as well. You're describing an environment. Well, video village, executives. But you as the director still have to run back and forth to the camera and to the actors and everything, and you're like trying to uh keep it all in place. And look, it it it's neither is worse than the other. Right. They are both paint.

But one is watercolor and one is oil paint. And those are opposingly different. You know, if you were a um an oil artist during the Uh British Renaissance of watercolor paint where all of a sudden watercolor came out. Everybody wanted watercolor. Why would you try to make y your, you know, watercolor paint look like oil or vice versa. They're just completely different mediums. They're both paint, right, but they're different. And so digital has its its advantages and its purposes. You can

you know, because you can run like a long mag of uh of video, I call it video. Everybody calls it digital cinema, but that was that was just to push it through. You know, and and and actually the technology is different. You know, with film, light travels through through the glass.

It exposes the silver and the acetate, and uh and and then you and you keep it all in the dark and send it away. With video, the light travels through the glass, it strikes the golden sensor, and then it bounces back into the And that's why video or digital cinema is flatter by nature than than most film. Because it and so to combat this, uh

filmmakers have started to do the exact opposite of what we used to do. It used to be that you would go to uh shoot something, you're on you're outside, you're on set, I've got my camera on Joe and I have the sun behind me because I want all that light on you. For the most part. over exaggerating my point. But y and the analogy would be or the uh the saying would be that at the end of the day you go home and the back of your neck is sun.

the because you've always had the light behind you. Now, because the image is flatter, they rotate the camera 180 degrees and they shoot into the sun to get lens flare. And lens flare gives you the the the illusion of depth where there isn't. This episode is brought to you by ZipRecruiter. The best way to learn anything is to ask questions.

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video instead of on film. Like when we were filming News Radio, the sitcom, we were doing it on film and they were like really adamant about doing it on film. Like they really wanted it to be on film. And then there was some process where you could make video look like film.

And I was like, this is so interesting. It's like we're desi like when you take your photo with your camera on your phone and you use portrait mode. Yeah. Which is you blur out the background. So you're making it shittier. You're doing an artificial Yeah. That's because uh we associate Um we w we we associate the the faults of of m media as as film. Like people think of like old movies as gate weave

sepia tone and dust and scratches and kind of f fast motion. Well when those movies were originally made, the motion was corrected by the cranking of the projector. And so it was natural motion. The uh there was no sepia tone change, there was no dust, it was originally r and and there was no gate weave because it was a fixed image. The image the celluloid hadn't yet shrunk or anything like that. And so Uh w we now as we have this kind of filter

nostalgic filter that we associate with what an old movie looks like. And so if you want to make something look old, you start adding all this crap to it. You're adding the faults. And it's the faults of cinema that actually make it really good. It's not the perfection of cinema. That's in my opinion. Because you would never be able to sell that if that cinema never existed.

Like if cinema never existed and video came around and then it was normal video, like soap opera style, and then someone came along and said, Hey, let's make it blurry in the background and let's like p it's almost like we've become accustomed And and and it's also led by you know everything is shot on iPhones now, and so that's becoming the cinematic vernacular, the grammar that uh people are used to and they they now expect

in a big movie. And so suddenly you see something like the latest James Gunn Superman. or Gilliam Guillermo del Toro's uh Frankenstein.

And they've got these crazy wide lenses where there's no distortion and, you know, kind of infinite depth and and they're shot in a in a very large format, but what they're replicating is an iPhone. Right. And it just I I I watched both of those movies and I thought, okay, both of them are amazingly technically competent and they're made by, you know Like highly professional people, but you know, we're not going to be able

It looks like iPhone footage too. I'm a huge Guero del Toro fan. Um I even loved his book, The Strain. Like it was really it was really good till about like Three quarters of the way through and it seemed like he just wanted to finish the book. Yeah, probably. Like a bunch of shit just sort of just happens in the last quarter of the book where I was like, This is kinda jarring.

Put this aside. It just seemed like fuck. I can't keep going with this book. It's what it feel felt like. It felt rushed, though. Just my p my opinion. But I'm a huge fan of that guy. So I love Pan's Labyrinth. I love a lot of his films. But I didn't like Frankenstein. Like I love Guillermo and I love his spirit and I love his artistry. He is an amazing artist. He is he's uh um just literally as a as an artist, you know, his His sketchbooks are beautiful and he brings a great amount of passion.

uh to his work. He he brings that kind of Mexican uh passion to his work and I adore his him as a as a person, but to be perfectly honest, I'm not wild about his movie.

that much. I you know, I I uh You didn't like Pan's Labyrinth? Uh I I I liked parts of it, but as a whole it I it just kinda I and I don't know what it is, you know, it uh uh about it, but uh I mean Blade Two is probably my favorite film of his because it's like the least of of well, actually it's quite a bit of him, but um it's just the most accessible form.

I didn't know he did Blade Two. Which one w that Patton Oswald was in where he had the the whole bit about Wesley Snipes and then they replaced him with a cool cooler Wesley Snipes? I think that was three. Yeah, it was probably blade. Blade three. I don't remember blade two. I don't remember blade two. Blade one was awful.

Yeah. That's my favorite of all the comic book vampire m well, comic book movies. Yeah. Because I I was just a giant fan of the Blade comic book series. I also like his Pacific Rim movie and I like parts of like The moment in Frankenstein that I think is for me the entire movie. Like I could have like left the rest of it. So much of it was just so melancholic and You know, I it was just like I just couldn't engage with it. And uh uh but the part that I absolutely loved was at the Miller's house.

where he's learning language. Mhm. To me th that was the movie when he's kind of secretly learning how to speak and how to be and learning moral And uh to me the moo I could have watched an entire movie about that sequence and it was also beautifully made that part. Just the rest of it with It was just a little flat. I don't know. And also it's like why does it have it's so freaking long? Like he could really like learn a lesson, well

I was gonna say he could learn a lesson from Ridley Scott, who just clips through things. Like he he takes you know, oh there's a dialogue scene. I'm just gonna do the essentials and just get out like it's a commercial. This dialogue scene doesn't need to be any longer than thirty seconds. And he just clips along. Well they're so involved. You know what I really loved? Uh Nosferado. Did you see the new Nosferado?

I don't want to sound like a persnickety guy, but I had to be right. I had to be in the right mood to engage with that movie because um I'm and I like that guy's first movie, The Vivich or The Witch. Um I never saw that. I I heard it's great though. I love that film. I think that's a great movie and he's like a production designer. He's doing a werewolf movie right now. Yeah, of course he is. Of course he is.

I did not like his Moby Dickish uh lighthouse movie. Um Oh I didn't see that. Yeah. That was the Willem Dafoe. Yeah the Willem Robert Dafoe one. It was just uh just garish and kind of I felt like lost its way halfway through. And um but uh and then you know this latest one, Nosferatu. Look I am a Werner Herzog nut and so I uh like I adore Werner Herzog and I love his Nosferatu. So for me to, you know, like watch this guy's version of that.

Which one would I have to be in the right mood. I have to be in the right mood. I'm I just wasn't yet in the right mood to accept Which one is Werners? Who who plays Nels Ferrado? Oh classic the the Incomparable, Klaus Kinson. And uh I know I've seen it. I mean the thing about Werner Herzog when he made his Nosferatu, what's you know, uh the Murnau movie, which is the original Nosferatu, the the very first one with Max Shrek.

Yeah. I saw it at the library when I was like ten years old. So the thing about Werner Herzog as a filmmaker is that most filmmakers have their forefathers that they can look back to. they can you know they have a generation before them that they can kind of imprint on. And because of the brutality and uh tragedy of World War Two.

uh he had none. There were no German filmmakers that he could look to. And so he had to look to his grandfather, basically, which was Murnau when he made it. And so his film is almost like haunted by the by the original. And then he bring you know, Werner Herzog grew up not using a telephone until he was in his teens. He'd never seen a telephone before. He had grown up like in, you know, upper Bavaria in in the mountains.

And you know, so he he comes like his film is almost displaced in time. It's like skipped a generation. And he does things like, uh, you know, he'll show two actors in the most emotional part of the movie when Mina and Jonathan Harker are uh you know at the beach and they're basically saying goodbye

normally in a Hollywood film they would cut to a close up so that we could see the tears. You know, we would cut to that close up. But because his film is you know because he's d displaced in time He stays back, like he doesn't even bother shooting a close. to him it's more melancholic to show them just isolated as figures, you know, in in in a in a wide shot. And it truly is. And so his film is is super powerful that way. And then you have Klaus Kinski.

you know, who is uh you know, like the the madman actor of of German cinema and who is uh uh You know, who who who was like I mean, th th there's a documentary called My Best Fiend, which uh Kin which is about the relationship you know between Herzog and Kins.

And there's an amazing scene in the beginning of that where uh he Werner Herzog visits the apartment that he rented in I think it was in Berlin, that uh you know, that where he was first becoming a filmmaker and where he first met Klaus Kinski and he goes there and it's now occupied by these two, you know. Very conservative. This German couple and and he starts going through the house and saying, Oh yes, here this is where uh

uh Klaus, you know, went crazy and he started smashing it and shitting on the walls and like he you know, d like'cause he was an insane guy. He was like his whole thing was about provocation. And so he brings a kind of Crazy vampire.

I mean it feels like a real vampire. I remember it now, but I haven't seen it for what year was that? Uh you mean the Kinski one? Yes. Uh I think it was in the seventies, so I'm thinking it was like seventy eight or seventy nine, maybe even earlier. I know I've seen all of the Nosferos.

Um let me see. Give me a um I will eventually see this new I will eventually see this new one. It's fucking good, man. It's good. The dude who plays the vampire, what's his name? The guy who played uh the the clown and it Oh yeah Bill Scarsdown. He's so good. Well he's so good. So is this the scene when he meets the vampire? I don't know. I just clicked on it. Yeah, yeah. I mean Kinski brings just an amazing empathy.

It could give you blood poisoning. Oh, this is the English version. Please. Let me do it. It's the oldest remedy in the world. Oh, forget it. It's hardly worth mentioning. Just a little cut. You know. It's only for the best. The original Germ in German dance is incredible. That's so awesome. And that's probably Kinski, like, you know, they're supposed to cut, and Kinsky just keeps going.

Yeah, look at Yeah, yeah. I mean Br Bruno Gans, I think it's Bruno Gans, is probably terrified in real life.'Cause he doesn't know. Kinski's crazy enough where he'll bite him. Right. And he's got those fake teeth and Yeah. let's sit up for a while All right. You you gotta see the the new Nosferato. I mean I had never seen a vampire like that and and then I think Salem's Lot was made after the TV movie Salem. Salem's Lot was super similar to it.

Um, there's uh a scene when he uh meets the guy at the castle. I did see one scene from this online with Lily Rose Depp kind of reacting to something which was like very compelling. Go full screen to this. This is when he makes it into the castle. of like capturing the creepiness of it and also the surreal aspect

Of him being under the trance of this vampire, you recognize that reality is all fucked up and skewed. Like time passes very quickly, it doesn't make sense. He's super confused as to what's going on. I mean, I have to say, this movie feels haunted as haunted by The Herzog version is Herzog was haunted by the Murnau version as if it's a continuation. Yeah, I wonder if he was haunted by that or if it wonder if he was haunted by the original But this is uh

with the use of all Yeah the little step frame modern ability. Yeah. But it's just the way they made the castle and the way they made him is very unique. There's so many aspects of it that I thought were very unique. Even the way the vampire feeds on people is unique. This guy is a he's a very, very, very good filmmaker. I just uh Or late. The midnight hour has passed.

I don't know so much about the way he's talking. It's a w it's weird but it grows on you. It grows on you. Well I'm sure it has a like a haunting quality over time. Yeah, like like this. The guy just disappears and all of a sudden he's way far away. There's a lot of that in this movie. So the scene when they get him to sign papers, when he's get up to that. Questions about the um I'm sure Prince Charles was like jacking off to this film.

Before they made that painting. Well isn't he related to Vlad Tepes? Yeah, it it doesn't surprise me. I mean he's he's German. He's of German ancestry. I think Prince Charles is related to the original Vlad the Impaler. They give you a look at what he looks like. Uh I think it cuts off probably. This is gonna cut it off.

They don't want to give away too much. That was the other thing, like you don't really get to get a look at'em for quite a while. And when you do, it's horrifying. Yeah. And the movie is made in washes of darkness. Mm-hmm. It's very dark. I mean it's very much a candlelit movie. Which I like because I don't like a film where you're pretending that people are in a candlelit but it's really well lit. Well and th that's that's an example of where video actually is

is a better medium to choose. Because it it like digital loves darkness. And it can do things in darkness that film just doesn't have the capacity to do. Right. And so it's an excellent choice. When we did Silent Hill, we made the choice of whenever we're in the dark, we're shooting on digital. And whenever it's during daylight we're shooting on film to create a kind of dissonance between the two. And so um and and and that's largely because digital loving.

And this is uh great use of it. Uh I I'm warming up to it. I like I've been waiting. I bought it on uh on Blu ray. I I have the movie. I mean I keep it. It's in that stack and I've just been waiting for to you know for the right time to expose it c expose myself to it. I love it. But I'm in the right mood. I loved it. I'm no film expert, but it's my favorite.

Well that's uh that's that's actually saying a lot. That's that's incredible. I loved it. That's incredible. My a fun vampire movie is Thirty Days of Night. Yeah, Thirty Days of Night is great. Uh I love that one too. It's not as good as this. This is this is a better movie. I think I Am Legend is actually a pretty good uh vampire movie. The uh

Uh the one with Will Smith. Well they're I thought they were zombies. Well th they're kind of it's a contagion film technically. They're not really zombies, but they've been turned into like vampire like creatures there uh yeah in that film. That's a really good one. And then that one that uh uh what's his name? Titiki Wakatakalakal that that uh that Polynesian uh director who did the Thor movie did uh God, what was it called? The um Uh We are

I can't remember the name of it. Uh but it's like a comedy version of uh uh vampires like kind of all living in a house and and sort of How old is that? This was made in sometime in the the mid two thousands. Hmm. Vampires living in a house? Yeah, what we do in the shadows. Did you see that? That is an incredible vampire movie. It's kind it's kind of like a mockumentary, like where they're they're they're

It takes all of the kind of vampire mythology and it makes it really, really fun. I've never even heard of that. It's fantastic. This is his best film. This is I'm sure th the foundation of everything he's done has been on what we do for me, what we do in the shadows. Huh. That's so crazy. I never even heard of it. Yeah, it it's it's wonderful. Show me the trailer, Jamie. We are granted protection now for the subjects in this film? Oh, it's like a Blair Witch project type deal.

It's been like this the whole time, Deacon on dishes, and it still hasn't moved in five years. You're a cool guy, but you're not pulling your weight in the flat. Oh I'm glad to hear that I'm cool. No that's not the point though. When you get three vampires... obviously there's going to be Diago was an 18th century. A ghost kind Vladislav is a bit of a pervert. This is my torture chamber. I disposed to pay rent? trouble with being a vampire is you have to be invited in

You need some fresh around. The whole movie's like that. It's fantastic. Oh, that's funny. Will you invite us in? Just invite us in. The bouncer's like no. And they can't do anything about it. Let the right one in. Oh, okay. That is uh of all the modern vampire movies w I mean I haven't seen the The American version of it? Um no, I hate the American version. The American version is let them in is terrible. It like

I had to wash my eyes afterwards with another movie. I didn't mind it. I I hated the uh but uh because I loved the foreign version. The f who who which country was it from? I think Sweden. Sweden. It's it's an outstanding, outstanding film and the book is fabulous. Yeah.

movie, a well made horror movie.'Cause it like the suspension of disbelief is like inherent to the enjoyment of the film. Like, you know, like just show me show me how the guy turns into a monster. Show me. Yeah. Make it make it make it so make it so. And Yeah and also you can see uh you know like I mean They have been making Dracula movies again and again and again. It seems like every year there's another vampire movie coming out or every couple of years at least. And you know

There never seems to be an exhausted the market never seems to be exhausted by it. That's the most overused genre is zombie. Zombie films, zombie T V shows, I mean how many versions of The Walking Dead are there? There's multiple. Yeah, and I I'm not a big fan of the W I like

I mean The beginning was great. I think first season was a good one. But then I r I when I realized oh, it's just sadism. And the I mean I I get the point. After the first season I realized, oh the point is that the walking dead are the living. They're actually the walking dead. Yeah. Because they've become emotionally I didn't like dead one. It got into the point where they were just it was just murder porn. Yeah and and

And that I mean I think I even talked about this before. The like that's a real problem with television is that they're just trying to get the serotonin levels spiked by killing someone that you care about. Mm-hmm. And you know, real television you return because you love the characters and you want to return to it. Well sometimes it's done well. Like Game of Thrones.

Did a fantastic job of doing that. But even that kinda lost its way after a while. I mean, actually eight seasons. I'm uh w I'm rewatching it right now. We're actually on season three, right Fucking great. I I kind of forgot how great it was. But when you get to binge it and you don't have to wait like like there was years in between seasons.

Because it took so long to produce. Have you seen the Pendragon cycle? The um the rise of the Merlin? No. Okay, so uh these days like you you almost don't know where television, you where to find television. And that's because you can find it anywhere. Like and no the main uh the mainstay producers of it, the studios and everything, they're no longer reliable in producing quality television.

And so suddenly uh we see stuff rising, you know, out of places that is completely unexpected. And uh this was produced by the Daily Wire of all pla of all people. And the CEO of the Daily Wire directed it. Uh this guy Jeremy Boring. Yeah. I hope I'm not mispronouncing his name. His name is Boring. But um And this is good? Okay. This is to me this is better than uh you know it I have a very high water mark for um uh for Arthurian mythology. Like to me, Excalibur is the high water mark.

And this really went th this like I had a chip on my shoulder when I started watching this. I was like, Okay this is very unlikely that I'm going to enjoy this production. But they did it for like a m for a micro budget effectively. They made something that is absolutely kind of reinvents the mythology, and they do it like proper television.

where you kind of love the characters and they they weave an entire reality and universe that is just fantastic. And it's done for like, you know, for very, very little, you know. They're spending billions making uh these Lord of the Rings things and like nobody cares. They're just awful to watch. And in the meantime, these guys just, you know Without anybody paying attention, we cranked this out. And uh I've only seen four episodes of it, but I am like completely blown away by

That's so interesting. The Daily Wire anything about I think that's part of the problem. Well that's because well like we don't hear about a lot of things. Like and media is the like the least of it. Well sir we'll s right. Good point. But certainly with the Daily Wire, the problem is it's like associated with this right wing production. If you can get over that and like and and put that behind you and then uh I mean this is to me as good as classic television.

It's I uh my prejudice was initially, oh, they're gonna somehow or another embed right wing ideology in this everybody's embedding their own ideology. There whenever you make any media, there's usually um y you have corporate propaganda and personal propaganda. And you're y and usually there was a balance between the two. You know, if you're making Midnight Express, for example. Okay, that movie was nothing like the book.

at all. Really? And not not even close to the book. And it it's a complete alternate experience. And you wonder why did that movie why was that movie such a big success? Why was that movie Such a um overwhelmingly like Oscars and everything. Okay, I think it had a little bit more to do with the politics of what was going on with Turkey at that time than anything else.

And and and, you know, um uh what's his name? Billy Hayes, who uh um, you know, experienced it, lived it, spent the rest of his life basically apologizing for the movie. And uh Why? Because none of it he he wasn't like raped in a Turkish prison. And that's like that's like a joke the original in an airplane they're making jokes about it. Right. And so yeah, Billy Hayes, he was the the actual character or the

person who lived the experience. And uh and so the movie is a kind of propaganda element. And that's like all Hollywood does it. We you know you kind of accept whenever you're making a movie that you're being used in a certain level to do something, whether it's to you know, on a very basic level whether it's just to like, you know, mortify or scare audiences or

you know, to to you know to do things. And we see that more and more obviously in media as the director, the personal propaganda when you have something personal that you want to get on screen has become more and more diminished. And you have uh you know, sort of more corporate propaganda kind of taking over. And I think the the the most probably crass example of that is uh DEI.

stuff uh, you know, in movies and pushing uh characters in situations that are just completely out of whack. Did you see the Star Trek that they tried to make like that? Okay, I'm like a big Star Trek guy. I watch Star Trek. Every day in my house we watch like two or three episodes. And I'm not kidding. My wife is like a tr Trekie. She is like crazy for Star Trek. And so she puts Star Trek on, you know, like at around five o'clock, Star Trek comes on. Original.

Well uh we cycle through we go chronologically from uh you know the original series through the next generation and then DS9 and then Voyager and then Enterprise and then we look back Uh in DS nine there's an episode called Trials and Tribulations where all the characters go into the past and they kind of interact with Trouble with Tribbles and they kind of blend them into the set and everything that's happening. We'll then go back and watch Trouble with Tribbles or You know, uh

Same thing with Wrath of Khan, we'll do this you know so we'll we'll uh we'll kind of connect it all together. And so Uh but every day there's at least two or three episodes of Star Trek playing in my house. It's like uh I usually have to wrestle away the controller to say we're watching a movie now.

And so uh and and my children were like basically raised on Star Trek and you know, the sort of morals behind Star Trek and you know Uh And you know, and and people complain about, oh, you know, I don't like D S nine as much, it's not as dynamic, I hate Bejor and blah blah blah. Uh but I think Captain Sisko is one of the most amazing captains there is'cause he's also a father and there's all these like father son lessons that are going on throughout it. It's like

really elaborate television. And by the way, all that kind of DEI stuff is still in it. It's still there. They're you know, they're exploring all sorts of things. In Star Trek the Next Generation, uh, Riker, who's like the uh Th the the second in command to Picard. In in that one, there's an episode where he goes to a planet of neuters that are just, you know, they're they have one gender.

and he falls in love with one and they kind of waken up out of their single gender thing and realize, oh, I'm female. And that person then gets taken and reprogrammed. Like and and then there's an episode where Cork is turned into a woman in order to for some cockamamey reason that they come up with in the show. And so and and he kinda likes it. He's like getting into it. So it's not like they aren't exploring gender and They're not just beating you over the head.

it somehow integrated into good storytelling. And I think something happened at uh you know, at at the studios where th they fired all of the legacy people and they hired on a bunch of new people. who just weren't as good at storytelling and or as respectful of the you know, the the canon, I guess you could say. Right. Is what it was. But, you know, those uh seasons of Star Trek are uh which I guess you could call the from the Gene Roddenberry into the Rick Berman era.

And I mean they had such amazing writers. They had guys like Renee Shavieria and Naran Schenkar and uh and they had technical advisors and you know, so if you were just into the tech, you could really like, you know And and and most of our technology and most of our aspirations have come from Star Trek. You know, our telephones are basically

You know, like tricards. Yeah. And we're we're all and you know, when we see it on Star Trek, like, oh, we talk to the computer. Well, we I want to have that. And so somebody figures out a way to develop that and to make it so and now we have that. Didn't he actually say computer? Yeah. Like he would say computer and ask you a question. Yeah. Well like A Siri. A Siri, same thing. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well,

It you know, it it's uh I mean I think it's a fantastic show. And then this dweeb Alex Kurtzman comes along and just shits all over everything. Just like craps all over it. And I mean I went in and met with the guy You know, I was like, Hey, I will write for s for scale. Uh you know, I'll I'll write on your new show. I'd like

I I just want to be part of it. Just as an opportunity to work on Star Trek. And he was and I basically found out he didn't want anybody who had any kind of fondness for the original show. He wanted to do something new and to create something new. And boy, has he shit the bed, like in a big way. And this latest thing that he that they've made this Starfleet Academy. Now it's still ongoing. Maybe it writes itself at some point. Did they? Good. The newest the newest. They read the room.

Was it um if they they didn't they Stop the idea of a season two. That fucking Alex Kurtzman man, his company's called uh Secret Hideout, I think. He's gonna need a secret hideout after all these like after destroying Star Trek for like this latest generation. Are we talking about the newest one, the one with Tignataro? That's the newest one. Starfleet Academy is an abomination. Uh yes, I could not get through three episodes of of Discovery.

And I mean they're just like it is just awful. Awful storytelling. Well it's also clunky dialogue and bad acting. It's just horrible. And they're they're more interested in um in the corporate corporate poly and the corporate propaganda than they are with any kind of personal propaganda. Right. It seems like that's the imperative. Inclusive I think the card was terrible. It was it's it was sad actually. It was just depressing for And so like when you know when

Well it's a good thing. So what's his name did that show, The Orville? And like that is like, you know, the proper successor. Like they brought back guys like James Conro Convo Conroy. The uh But I don't know what the Orville is. Uh it was hi kind of like a comedy version Seth McFarlane did but he the he hired all the original people that they had fired from Star Trek and basically used them to do his show. And it actually feels a little bit more like a like a continuation.

I I never heard of this either. And it's on Hulu? Yeah. Yeah. Is it it is a Star Trek or is it no it's not Star Trek. It's the Orville. So they just ripped off Star Trek? They bring all the you know, all the writers from the original and s showrunners and uh you know, people like that and the original directors like um J you know, like Jim Cot it I'm like blanking on his name Conro Conro I wanna say Conroy, but it's thinking Uh, whatever. Um and uh

So they bring everybody back and it has a little bit more of the same spirit. Another really good Star Trek-ish thing is Galaxy Quest. It's something that got kind of buried and Sigourney Weaver. Sigourney Weaver. Yeah, that was good. Galaxy Quest is hilarious. If you love the original series of Star Trek, Galaxy Quest is amazing. Like it it It's so fantastic. It's I I love Sigourney Weaver. Yeah.

That th that's a good example of a movie that was like a DEI movie that you never even noticed it was. Yeah. We've like had them throughout history. Right. You know, uh the history of cinema is built on Uh you know, and and by the way, a you know a complex woman character can have faults. Right. Like that's part of it is characters have faults. Characters have things wrong with them. You know, they're not always just, you know, like you

Dominant and noble. Dominant and no and like can do everything immediately. Exactly. Like the some of the Star Wars ones with women. Well yeah, I mean you know it's funny, you had I think it was I think it was here, Ben Affleck was on and they were talking about AI and how it always goes to the middle and you know, you know, it's w always goes to the middle, it always goes to the middle. And I was like

JJ Abrams always goes to the middle. And boy, was that Star Wars he did the middle where he just basically took the Luke Skywalker story and just reinterpreted it with a strong, strong woman, you know, character. Mm-hmm. And I I I just thought it was And just tasteless and just, you know, nothing new. He just went to the middle. So you don't need AI to go to the middle. This episode is brought to you by Visible. Folks, there's one thing nobody wants this season, and that's getting catfished.

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And the the thing about Alien two was like you didn't know who the hero was. Alien two or alien you mean aliens? As well. I mean Alien One. I didn't like Aliens Two as much. It was fun, but it was like why are they so easy to kill now? Why are they so obvious? Space Marines and Marines are tough. Marines are badass and marines can like and uh but the first alien they still overwhelmed them. I know, but the first alien was clever, he was hiding, he would sneak around, he would jump

suspends and it's a nineteen seventy nine movie too, which is crazy. People don't even know how old it is. What's funny, I recently went back and started watching all the Ridley Scott movies I hadn't seen. like there's a ton of'em that I just, you know, kind of missed along the way. And I started off with um uh God, what was it? I um oh, I started off with Napoleon and like'cause I just missed it when it came out.

And I'm like, What what happened to Ridley Scott? And I have not liked any of his recent alien movies. I just think they're I'm confused by them. The Prometheus ones. It's just like when you need a web episode in order to understand what the hell he's talking about in the movie, you fail. And i th and they're just like they're high fli they're technically technical marvels, like nobody shoots big canvas cinema like Ridley Scott. Like no one shoots a helicopter crash.

Like Ridley Scott shoots a helicopter crashing. And uh and and and you know, you watch Napoleon and sure, the batter battle of Austerlitz, amazing to watch. you know, cannonballs going into the the lake and the ice breaking and people falling in the water. But the minute anybody talks in that movie, it just collapses on its own weight. It's just like you just

Don't care. My wife was like, This is the worst date movie. You're not gonna sleep with me after this. What's wrong with it? It's I didn't see it. Uh well, Joaquin Phoenix who and I think he made a choice'cause I consider him to be an excellent actor, but in this movie I think he made a choice to just play it like, you know, contemporary like he he just kind of talks. Everybody else is doing sort of a

British or Frenchish accent, like they're all kind of pretending that they're in a in a period piece. But not Joaquin Phoenix, he just plays it like he just, you know, walked off Hollywood Boulevard. Really? And and he and it and just like the battle scene there's no passion in any of his performance. It's kind of this Weird dead, dead performance. And uh and so he did it on purpose to betray like a sociopath. I think he came on, he was like, I am gonna do whatever I want to do the way Napoleon.

would and I and and I'm not and I'm not gonna try I'm a Corsican and I'm not j I'm gonna be an outsider to all of these other people who were I I think there was an intellectual idea behind what he did and it completely failed. So I'm like Okay, I adore watching Ridley Scott do these big scenes, but what a terrible movie. And

You know, like failure and then I so and so then after that I'm like, Okay, let's let's watch something else. Well, oh, he did Exodus. I've never seen that. Gods and Kings with Christian Bale. Same thing. It's like you start watching that movie and there's some interesting things in the film. He's got like chariot battles and, you know, archers shooting things and like, you know

Whenever he's doing that, like Ridley Scott's like, Oh, this is my day on set, and he's got a cigar and twenty cameras, you know, put cameras everywhere. And he's like, shoot from every angle and he's like a like a great general, you know, uh uh shooting. But The minute anybody talks that movie falls apart. And actually I mean, I don't know how to say this, but that movie almost did its best to turn me on the juice. Like I'm watching it and I'm like

I this is like first of all, is anybody even Jewish making this? Like it seems like nobody involved in it was was Jewish and Like they start like you know how is that even possible? Well, m Moses as a character, when he's uh an Egyptian, when he's like the adopted br Egyptian brother, I'm like totally with him for some reason. Then he becomes Moses after getting like hit in the head with a rock.

And uh and all of a sudden he's uh you know kind of he's like a lunatic and like you're like everybody's following him? Like he's like he's distaste he's distasteful all of a sudden. And but every now and then they would show a battle scene and it's like okay, I uh I can like Ridley Scott's doing his thing again. But like And you know who's also really good in it is um God, I can't remember Joel Egerton, who plays Ramseys.

It's really funny because Joel Egerton is, you know, like usually you imagine Egyptians when they're cast as being kind of tall and, you know, sort of Noble looking and everything. like sort of tough, you know, wide bodied butch. uh Ramses, like just kind of like a tough Ramseys. And every now and then his Australian accent comes out so he's like, Oh oh he's like an Australian Ramses.

And John Totoro places his father, uh, who you know, a bald I'm like, Is that John Totoro? Like what a crazy choice this is. And so there were all sorts of like interesting things going on in the movie, but again I was like, Oh, this is Awful. Is it impossible for you to watch a movie without just being coming hypercritical about all these different aspects? Like how I would do it, what I don't like? Yes and no. So the next Ridley Scott movie I watch.

Which I stayed away from and with great apologies to Matt Damon and Ben Affleck was the last duel. And I just kind of avoided it. I was doing other things at the time and the poster looked awful and I was like, I'm not gonna go see that. And then I uh

I I I put it on after watching these other two and I was like, Okay, well, here we go. Let's go again. And lo and behold one of the best films of the century in my Absolutely First of all those guys know how to write a script and I know that they wrote it with Nicole Hofsenotter or whatever her name is. But and look at and look at Ben Affleck, like th when I saw him blonde, I was like that's one of the reasons it kept me away from it. But he's hilarious in the movie. He's a genius in the film.

I never even heard about this movie. I was gripped by this film and this is a great date movie. Like this my wife got turned on after this film. Believe it or not. And Adam Driver is magnificent and like this relationship that these two guys have and it's kind of a Rashimon story, meaning that uh like Akira Kurosawa's Roshiman which was three stories that are all sort of the same event told from different perspectives. And so

And Matt Damon is like a revelation. And this movie says so much about Hollywood. Like when I watched this, I was like, okay, I'm Matt Damon and Quentin is uh Adam Driver for sure. Like Adam Driver totally knows how to like you learn about Hollywood in this film and I'm sure they're writing it, like knowing about Hollywood, that the way to really get along in court is to join the origin.

You know, to be in the orgy with everybody is like how you get along. It's like uh uh we we we all fuck together and that's how we do it. But Matt Damon, who by all accounts in this is a great you know, d he's a fighter, he's a great knight, he ha he's true in his heart, but he's just a uh like a pill to hang out with and he doesn't go to the orgies. And because of that he's just kind of marginalized.

And the whole movie plays off of this friendship that just kind of goes awry where jealousy comes into play and uh and it and it's ruinous to everything until they're finally fighting in the very end. And this is where Ridley Scott just does what he does. Which is he has this insane fight between these two guys which like was just every blow was painful to look at. And this to me was the best Ridley Scott movie I've seen of the century. I mean I guess Blackhawk down.

I also very much like Gladiator, although Gladiator Two uh I I throw that in I never saw that. Throw that in with uh Exodus Gods and Monsters. It was actually boring to watch. I loved Gladiator One though. Gladiator One is magnificent. It had some kind of secret sauce in it that was fantastic. And Gladiator 2, it it just kind of goes through the paces. It's just kind of everybody shows up. Speaking of showing up, when Segurney Weaver shows up in uh Exodus, Gods and Monsters

She's not even trying at all. She knows that she's there for a paycheck. Like she just shows up and she's just like Speaks the lines and then I'm out of here. I'm I'm going into m Morocco or whatever. Into into town. I'm gonna go party for a while. You think she just thought it was a bad film and just checked out? I'm not sure what she was thinking but like she may have been thinking what uh I mean maybe she was trying, but I don't it just didn't look like it. It just looked like she was

Well that's gotta be a weird thing. And the other Ridley Scott movie that I just watched that I hadn't seen, again, I avoided it partly because of the um the the title of the film. And there just nothing excited me. I thought it was a comedy. In fact, I had been avoiding it. It was on my plaque. There it is.

I I look at the thing, it looks like a comedy. It's got um Javier Bardem and Cameron Diaz and they're all kind of Javier Bardem looking exactly like Robert Downey Jr. Like in it like just kind of this crazy Robert Downey Jr. in his crazy phase, you know, with like colorful glasses and everything. Robert Downey Jr. with like a broken up nose or whatever's going on with that nose. And um okay, so I put on the counselor and

This movie so looking at that, I thought it this was a comedy. I thought, Oh, it's gonna be a romantic comedy. This movie, after I saw it, I was like, I feel like I've seen too much. I feel like I know too much now about the world. Like it's it and and it and it ha and it's made like right before you know and I think this movie was kind of a disaster for Ridley Scott and he uh

you know, had to recover from it I probably because of the the failure of it. But I never even heard of it. It's written um by um uh oh my god, um a Cormac McCarthy. And so so it is dark, dark, dark. And it is a an analysis of how power works in the modern world. B which is basically a giant cartel. The cartel runs everything and you cannot escape the cartel. And it is such a spectac I think that's such a spectacular movie.

I loved it. I loved it. When did that come out? Like twenty fourteen, I think. Twenty thirteen. Twenty thirteen. Did you ever hear of it, Jamie? There's too much content. Well, there's too much content and yet really Scott's and he's cranking out movies like every year he's doing a movie. It's like just knocking him back, knocking him back.

constantly making films and so that was why I hadn't uh and so finally I was like, Well, I gotta catch up on some Ridley Scott and and Quentin had been talking about uh Blackhawk Down and how much he loved it and how he thought it was the best film of the century and, you know He's largely correct. That's not a bad uh m I could have done without the UNICEF commercial at the very beginning, where it's just like you

a little UNICEF commercial about people starving in Africa and Somalia. But uh the rest of the movie is just insanely beautiful. And so I wanted to check out all the movies. I hadn't seen it. And and so that's why I started researching them and looking them up again and like the counselor, how did that fall through the cracks? And it gets h terrible reviews. Like people hated the film apparently and I What's the criticism? Uh

People like I think they they were just like, We don't believe it. I yeah, they just don't believe that that's what the world is like. And you know, I found the film to be like Do you think that's just because of the time period it was released? I think Ridley Scott knows things that and Cormac McCarthy know things about the world that they put on film before everything was known. Like I think if that movie was released today people would be That's what's happening today.

Yeah. And so yeah. Oh yeah. Oh they're putting people in sulfuric acid into uh milk into drums. Yeah, what the fuck? And uh shipping them around the world, you know, as a joke. Oh yeah. I can't believe that like everybody just kind of like, Oh well, okay, and they're moving on with their lives. Did you see that guy at the Atlanta airport?

uh flipping out the well-dressed black dude who just freaks out at the in the ablanti uh just like a couple of days ago on uh I saw it on YouTube. No, I saw it on uh Twitter or X. And uh th this guy is just Freaking out in the Atlanta Airport. I read the upstate files! Like all of you, you're going about your lives like nothing's happening. Look at your old zombies. And he's right. It's like invasion of the body snatchers. Everybody is just numb to everything. Like

Dudes, we had a global pandemic, uh aliens, uh, you know, uh all these like revelations. People are, you know, eating babies. Uh here's Oh we got we're acting normal! Oh we go And there's a longer version of that where he's but he's basically like you're all acting like nothing's happening. Like what the fuck? You know, you're all just pretending you're just drones going on in your neck. It's the people that are like really interested in reading all the email on Yeah. Oh absolutely.

You like, you know, it's just like how vampires can't go into a house unless they're invited. They tell you, you know, what's going on ahead of time. It's predictive programming. And once you say it out loud and you put it out there and make fun of it and do a little skit like they like Stephen Colbert did a little skit on his show where, Oh, here's a baby. I'm gonna take this baby and I'm gonna give it to Moloch. And he goes into like a

cloudy red uh you know furnace and hands the baby over and he's oh no the baby's gonna be fine and they make a joke about it and the audience laughs. Okay, we're all now conditioned to it. We've all seen it. And by laughing at it we were complicit. You think that that's a that's on purpose that this is like some sort of a grand design to get us to be desensitized to the idea of demons eating babies? Yeah. for sure really for sure

And by the way, but nobody's doing anything about it. We know what's happening. But that has to take like there has to be a person or some group of people. Yeah, like about eight thousand five hundred people. Yeah. That are manipulating the Colbert show? That are manipulating everything. It's all an illusion. Like

Reality as we know it is fake. That's that's the revelation that that guy is having. And he's looking around and he's like, it's like invasion of the body snatchers. Well, it's sir th see, I don't The thing about the emails is w one of the things is it's just stuff Written down. And so that's sort of hard to digest. Like what is this? Like what are they saying? Like some of it is in code, like walking over beef jerky.

Like saying talking about jerky, could you walk beef jerky over to this person? Like what does that mean? Right. Yeah, yeah. They're ordering. cheese pizza. Yeah. And like there's all this coded language and everyone's like, you know Oh that's uh you're just you just have periola. You know, the uh you're just seeing things where you wanna see them. No, this is clearly a code. Well that was the thing about pizza.

It's a long known concept. And so in Latin, mundes volt decepi means the world wants to be deceived. Ergo discipiator, therefore it is. We want to be deceived. We we don't want to believe the horrors that are actually behind the veil. Well, I think with the Epstein files, people are because of these emails that have been released, people are just now starting to be aware of the

bizarreness of the code and some of the thing like the facts. Like let's just talk about the sulfuric acid. So this was like right after he was indicted in two thousand Yeah, I gotta get rid of some body. Yeah. How much did dissolve up some bodies? What did it say he ordered? Like let's uh Maybe we can get our sponsor Perplexity to process this and uh give us a synopsis of what exactly happened, some sort of a breakdown. Because

one of the things they're saying is like he was indicted and then right after he's indicted he orders how many gallons? Uh six fifty five gallon containers full of sulfuric acid. Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ. Um What? They're eating babies, man. Like that's so that that you think is real. So Well yeah, not only that, I think that there's uh you know, sacrifices going on every day in Los Angeles. I mean and you know, d uh allegedly, like, you know, uh

high level uh musicians, let's say, high level female musician, uh, is like, you know, killing chickens every day, doing sacrifices. Like, you know high level. Well I I I don't want to say I don't wanna say names'cause I don't want to get sued. And I d I don't want to be dead either. Here's the purchase order. I go I started looking at the comments for some stuff. Not that this is the best answer but a quick answer someone gives is that

True, he is on an island. I mean there's enough there's enough uh Uh push back because Mundesvolt Decepti, Ergo Discipiator. You know, we we but like the timing of all of that, like you know, where are the purchase orders for all of that sulfuric acid before that?

Oh no, I just wanna put sulfuric acid into my swimming pool. Muriatic acid. Well that's the question. Was there orders for sulfuric acid before this? If they do have a water treatment plan? Why how does sulfuric acid play into water treatment? Okay. R O plant reverse osmosis seawater desalination facility. Sulfuric acid is commonly used in the maintenance of such facilities. Not everything you don't understand adds up to the worst possible thing it could be.

Deception. Look, maybe they're all eating pizza and grape soda. How many that's how many billionaires do you know that you know they sit down and eat lots of pizza and grape soda and ice cream? This is weird. That's why I just go with grain of salt. A plausible answer. I don't know that it is the answer. It could even be wrong. Okay, so does he have a desalination plant on the island?

Oh yeah, for sure. He is he has uh he had everything. He had a dump and uh like they had all sorts of stuff. So that's hi tunnel So they were using that so they're taking seawater and converting it into freshwater for what? For irrigation or for drinking, for all the above? One similar email that he wrote to someone said that like his around us island is like Damascus. And I'm like, What the fuck does that mean?

He was to ex uh you go explore buried shit around my island or what I mean what else? Huh. What does that mean? I mean that's they say a lot of things and they're not really coding it. Very much. Well the code it's glaringly obvious when they say pizza and when they say jerky. That's glaringly obvious. How do you walk jerky? Yeah. And wh and why do I need a chilled container to Right you know, a chilled bag or whatever they change? Jesus Christ. So you think they're eating babies?

Oh yeah. You should get together with Kurt Matzker. The two would go crazy. I don't doubt it for a second. Well, I I think and I think this dates back like, you know, a long, long time. Dates this is m m Moloch worship. Oh Well, there was the other uh email that said thank you for the torture video. I enjoyed the torture video. Yeah. And i it's like people just they don't they don't want to accept it. Like people don't want to believe it, they don't want to accept it.

Okay. Uh some commentary notes that a remote island with water treatment and energy systems could pl plausibly stockpile such quantities for a one to two years of operations. Although others argue that using it directly for reverse osmosis, as stated in one social post, is technically questionable for membrane health. Highly corrosive, strong mineral acid that can severely burn skin, eyes, dehydrate and char organic material, which is why it features

in both legitimate industrial processes and in darker hypotheticals online. Darker hypotheticals. Darker hypotheticals is where I'm leaning. When you get indicted for sex trafficking and then you order six drums of sulfuric acid right away. W are you really worried about your reverse osmosis plant right after you get indicted? I feel like you know you're going to cheat. It looks like a duck and it quacks like a duck. It's probably a duck. It's probably a duck.

Three hundred and thirty gallons of sulfuric acid. I came I came out here last time and I talked about you know the the pedocult inside of the Kubrick film. Yes, by the way that went viral. And I got so much blowback from that. You know, I the on online critics are like, No, no, there's nothing in there. Mundes Vault D SIP, they don't want it

See it. They don't want they don't want to see those two guys walking away with that girl in the end. They just like, no, no, it's it wasn't in the Schnitzler novel and blah, blah, blah.

Dude, look at that movie. It's about a cult. Like, what are you talking about? It's a secret cult. And in fact, uh, Sidney Lemette's character even says at one point, you know, uh, do you know what these people do? I'm not gonna tell you what they do, but let me tell you, if I told you what they do, they would like scare the hell out of me. I mean like

That's after he's been to the place and seen everybody walking around at the in the sex club. I mean, it's obviously there's obviously more going on in that movie, but people don't want to see it. I like i like I had what was it New York magazine or whatever went so far as to like, you know, aggressively trying to get me to debunk it. And uh and which is fine, just fine. It's just an interpretation of a movie. Right, but that that interpretation resonates.

You know, he was obviously saying something, even if you extract that out of the movie, he's obviously saying something about people at high levels of power. Well there's always been weird secret groups and rituals. Yeah. And it's one of the ways to ensure that y you're compromised. You'll stay It's a confidence operation. Yes. And so what you do is you find somebody when they're young and they're, you know, less inhibited.

And and they you know, or uninhibited and you catch them doing something that is illegal and maybe you even provide the mechanism for that to happen. And then once it's happened. You uh you now have the the video proof or the audio proof or whatever proof you have. You've got proof of it and you show it to them and you say,

Look, this is uh what we have on you and uh and we can ruin you at any minute. But you know what we're gonna do? We're gonna give you twenty thousand dollars a month or we're gonna give you twenty million dollars a year, whatever level that is, instead, and you're gonna work for us.

And uh and and what else explains some of these people who are so flipped out about like, you know, about Trump? Like, he's a he's a putz, he's a dah-da Like they're it's over the top. It's you know what it it's strange how people are how people behave in uh Um y re regarding that. It's not a good thing. I don't think there are parties. I don't think there there I think that's all an illusion also. I think everything that you think that it is is an illusion. It's all fake.

I don't think that any history before sixteen hundred I think everything has been uh falsified before the year sixteen hundred. How so? Well, um there's this guy, Anatoly Fomenko, who's a Russian mathematician and historian, and he wrote a book called The New Chronology. It's actually a series.

six volumes and I've read them all. And and and um and uh and also his addendum book, The New Chronology yeah he has an addendum book And uh he basically says that uh all of history has been changed, about a thousand years have been added to the timeline. in order to justify land claims and those land claims largely have to do with uh Eurasian the Eurasian Horde and the elimination of the Eurasian Horde by uh collusion between uh you know, the Vatican, the uh Romanov.

So you mean like the Mongols and the Huns? Yeah, there was a and if you look on very, very old maps, uh you see that there used to be a country called Tartaria that was uh that was in existence. and at a certain point they wiped them out. And so his theory and it's just a theory.

It's just a positive, but when you see how history is constantly being rewritten in real time, it's not so hard to believe. And then he uses, you know, uh um astronomical uh evidence and you know mathematically kind of proves it. And he basically says that uh let's see if I can get this right, that um uh Rome and Greece and you know th those uh and Egypt were um actually active till around sixteen hundred. And that Rome actually fell around sixteen hundred. So kind of imagine or

more like late fourteen hundreds, fourteen ninety two. As opposed to what's the conventional timeline? Uh w about a thousand years before. And so and so uh y you know, if you can wrap your head around it, the Salem witch trial Columbus was discovering America around the time Rome fell, and that uh all of this was designed to justify and or to uh erase this entire civilization from history.

And then there are people who believe that there are a lot of buildings that are still in existence that uh that were this they uh they they claimed that uh Jesus Christ was mm, I can't remember Um the emperor's name. There's a number of uh So they think a thousand years are missing from the time of it. If you're a Byzantine guy and you're like, Hey I want to move to the country and you look over at uh France, let's say

and Germany and and you're like, yeah, there's all these like indigenous peoples there and we want to wipe them out. So you hire, you know, a uh mercenary, you hire a guy named Charlemagne, and you get him to go in there and kill all the chieftains in one day. Five thousand

chieftains were killed in a single day apparently by Charlemagne. And you completely wipe out everything and then you move in, you become Drome, uh the Drome the First and you run Paris. You or you begin, you know, France. And what it really is is just land.

'Cause what makes more sense that history was cruising along like this and then suddenly flatlined for a thousand years and then picked up again? Or does it make more sense that somebody took that time, that uh the dark ages, and kind of But isn't there like a documented history from multiple cultures about that time period. Yeah, but it's all like, you know, written down by the Jesuits who were completely in the control of uh you know it

That history history is easily changed. And in fact, we see history being changed before our eyes in real time. And so the deep past is is easy to change. So we're not in twenty twenty six. No. We're like in the seventeen hundreds. Oh Jesus Oh my god. It's just this guy Antonoli Anto Anton Antoli uh And uh and it's a very interesting theory.

And so I read that and I kind of had a tent pole collapse. So it was like, well, holy crap. Explain to me the flatness. Like what do you mean by history goes up and then flatness goes? Well the progression the progression of humanity through history. As we kind of are progressing as we go. And then all of a sudden there's this flat line called the Dark Ages where nothing happened. Is there a conventional explanation for this?

Flatline for a thousand years? The the collapse of Rome and uh and falling into barbaris the time of barbarism. That's not plausible? Everything is plausible. It's plausible that sulfuric acid is used for RO uh reverse osmosis uh water cleaning. And so everything is possible. The question is is it probable? Well Jamie just pulled up that that was the first time they had ever ordered that. Oh y oh really? Yeah. Okay, so well there it is. Yeah. Yeah, that's not good. I mean

That's the least of the things. The thing is we become desensitized to stuff. I mean, look at everything that has happened in the last six years. It it's like an insane amount of stuff has happened and everyone's just kind of like numb to it. Well they get d depending on the thing. You think by COVID vaccines. Yeah, for sure. Well there's some t scientific evidence that for some people at least

It crossed the blood brain barrier and had some sort of a detrimental effect on their cognitive function. MRNA is reprogramming your your your system. Ving firar 70 år av resor som är svåra att släppa taget om. Och det gör vi med massor av erbjudanden som är omöjliga att motstå. Boka redan nu på wing.se, de bästa resorna försvinner först. Wing. Semester. inte vill hem från.

And uh and we're I think and we've been looking at a giant die-off of people. People are collapsing left and right. Nothing is normal anymore. I mean, that guy at the airport who's flipping out. That's what he's realizing. He's having a sudden awakening and he's tweaking over it. He's like, and he c he's looking around and no one cares. Everyone just wants to like, you know, go through their day. They do. Everyone wants to just make their next movie.

And maybe they'll let me make their next movie and everybody wants to just, you know, I just want to keep going at my job and I just wanna do my thing and I just wanna protect my thing. There's certainly a lot of that going on. British only care about as long as I have my daily pint at the end of the day. That's all they care about. You know, th they'll y in the meantime, their entire country is being overtaken and overrun by like when else in history has this happened and ended well?

No. How do you bounce back from this? Like what is the remedy? Yeah. Because they're they're doing this mass arrest thing with social media posts. Which is bizarre. It's bizarre to watch. And then they eliminate jury trials for anything other than like murder and rape. If you say anything, you're in jail. If you post it if you repost anything, you're just immediately sent to jail. Look what's going on in Canada right. you know, with Carney. Mm-hmm. I mean like

I think that's insane what's going on and most Canadians are just kind of vibing along with it. Nobody wants to rock the boat, nobody wants to be racist, nobody wants to be uh you know, nobody wants to be discriminatory in any kind of way. Rightfully so. Like n you know, you and you wanna believe that your leaders are are taking care of you and they're not. And it's over. We've lost. It's over.

I mean, it's over here in America as well? Well, uh it got slowed down a little bit. It got slow. Whether you like Trump or not, and I'm not like a I don't really like anybody. But it's a healthy perspective.

In the in the in the actions of the cabal of the Clintons and the Obamas and and their the bankers that that control them. And that's when you see the movie uh the counselor, that's what you realize is that, wow, the cartels are the banks and they are law enforcement and they are the media and they are everything and there is no Mm. Like there's nothing any That is And I don't mean to be I mean, the only thing you can do is uh, you know, affect what's happening around you locally within the

But don't you think that more people are aware of what's going on right now? There's more pushback than ever before and so there's a possibility that it could be stopped?

Yeah, look at that guy in the look at that guy in the airport though. Nobody everyone's like he's crazy. Yeah, but nobody wants to be away. I would think he's crazy too. Well it's a good thing. If I was there waiting for my flight to go visit my parents and there's some fucking guy yelling out the Epstein file, you're just living your life like Yeah, what do you want me to do, dude?

Headed to Florida right now. Invasion of the Body Snatchers was about McCarthyism and what was going on at that time and both? I'm the I'm a fan of the Donaldson. Well and and look at and look at how that ends. That ends with you're walking through the streets pretending to be You know, like you're you're just pretending to not be an alien, hoping that you can get by and then you know the minute you show any kind of emotion, that's it. You're caught and then they're gonna make you go to sleep.

And uh and so I mean So that the original script was written about McCarthy as well? The original uh um the original film. Yeah. Kevin McCarthy uh movie. Okay. So And in the end, look how that movie ends. That movie ends with him like that guy in the airport on the street, you know, ah, they're you know, they're it's it's they're aliens. Yeah. He's basically, you know, running through the street just in traffic.

And people just keep driving by I don't remember the original one. I might not have even seen it. But the Sutherland one was amazing. I never would have thought that that's what it was about. I mean I th we're experiencing a kind of Bolshevik revolution. In what way? Well there's a rise of Bolshevism. You know, it's like we see it we see it occurring and how do you define Bolshevism? Well, uh it's the Bolsheviks were essentially a kind of uh Uh it's it's a good thing.

it's it's not correct to say uh communism, but it's basically a a kind of authoritarianism you know, in the guise of egalitarianism. and uh and helping the world know we're all going to be equal and everything but it's a And they were murdering Christians. Yeah. They were murdering Christians and social and you know, we're very, very close to that now. We're very ver we're on we're standing on civilization is standing on the press.

And by the way, uh, you know, uh after this podcast comes out, people are gonna be like, oh, Avery's crazy, Avery went to jail, Avery's uh, you know, uh a killer. They're gonna say all sorts of shit about me to discredit. anything that I say and that's fine. Uh like I'm easy to discredit

And so it's not really my right to speak up anymore about anything. And so you're a human being. It's always your right to speak up. Well it it is, but uh They can eat shit. As I look as I look around, like civilization is on the precipice. And you know, m mostly good people tend to not take action against stuff until they have Until they have to. We were talking about this yesterday actually, um, with Cheryl Hines and I was saying I think we were talking about this.

Well, I was talking about this recently, where I was saying that it's almost like we need something like a nine eleven to wake us up. I would never want that to happen. But I do remember that after nine eleven we were united because we realized, oh Threats are real, danger is real. Like we we really do need to be united as one group, a community, and and recognize that that the we are brothers and sisters in the streets are not our problems.

And We even know about nine eleven now that like so much of it was like we building seven, thermite, like w the evidence is there for anyone to look at. Nobody wants to look at it. Nobody wants to look in the conspiracy like how did these bu guys get a hold of these planes? How did they fly into the building? Who

Why were the the dancing Israelis watching it, cheering it on? Why did they get, you know, shipped out of the country? Yeah, and that guy who uh who owned the building, who bought it, who took out it like the insurance policy and then You know, had uh Elliot Spitzer

kind of push it through and force it through so that he could receive his billions in insurance claim and really Because they wanted to tear down that building and it would have been too expensive to do and all the asbestos and everything, so and not sure to just destroy it. Well building seven was housing all sorts of it was like was an IRS uh I mean NSA. Yeah. What was in building seven? Let's find that out so we don't just

and data that was being collected and billion the the the fact that no one wants to admit that that building fell like a controlled demolition is really crazy. And again I'm not saying it's a controlled demolition. But the fact that people want to say no, it wasn't like a controlled demolition, like when was the last time you ever saw a fucking building collapse like that ever?

Only controlled demolitions. There's been many buildings that have been very badly damaged and lit on fire, but their frame remains. Reputable structural engineers have basically also proven the towers could not have fallen the way they fell.

without uh explosives, um you know, pre-planned explosives. Okay, I think that's a good thing. And the people on the scene, the the rescuers on the scene, the people who were there said, Yeah, I heard explosion. Boom, boom, boom, boom. And they're describing the sounds of uh controlled demolition. U Secret Service. Floors nine through ten. CIA, the Department of Defense, sharing the twenty fifth floor with the IRS.

And the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. Right. But also if you wanted to do that, you can't do data. You wanted to destroy data. Like didn't the part of the Pentagon that got hit wasn't and that was also a day after Rumsfeld was saying that there was trillions of dollars that were unaccounted for. Didn't the accounting part of the Pentagon get hit by that air quotes plane? Yeah. Yeah, that that plane that was that plane that came in very

The building contained about twenty four thousand gallons of diesel fuel for generators used by tenants like Solomon Brothers and the Emergency Command Center. Floors forty six through forty seven and parts of the lower level were mechanical spaces. while files from federal investigations, uh Secret Service cases were stored there but lost in the collapse. And the SEC. Whoopsies. And has the world been the same since then?

The SEC, like having that there too, boy, that's super convenient. Guys, we lost the data. Let's just start from scratch. There's no case anymore. Whatever they were doing. And yet nobody wants to accept it. Nobody and nobody cares. What's the video of it that is like really shocking. I had this real really dumb guy on the podcast once that was uh a a skeptic, a professional skeptic, and he was really angry with me for saying that it looked like a controlled demolition.

You're promoting a dangerous conspiracy theory. I'm like no I'm saying it looks like You're saying it doesn't look like a control? Let's watch it. I'm like, let's watch it. I mean it falls. Seriously theorists have had a pretty good run lately. Let's watch it. Let's watch Building 7. Collapse.'Cause it's kind of kooky. Now one thing that people do point out that is true is that the center like there was uh a small structure at the top of the roof of building seven that collapses first.

And it does it. Like I think a minute before the actual building is the same. The rest of the movie is a facade that's hanging off of the inner circle. The rest of the building. Yeah. It was built over a Con Edison substation requiring large transfer trusses on lower four floors to support the tower above, creating long span floors vulnerable to thermal expansion.

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That's a cute way of saying that's why it fell at free fall speed and looks like a controlled demolition.'Cause if that was my building, I would say, Gimme my fucking money back. You made this shit ass building. This building got lit on fire and just collapsed on itself. Let's watch it collapse. Because the way it collapses is so kooky because it really does it at freefall speed or close to it. It's strange. Like there's never been a building that looks that intact that falls like that.

It's weird, man. I mean, it's fucking weird. Anybody that says it's not weird, look, this is how it happened. It's weird. Now the planes hitting tower one and tower two Okay, that makes maybe more sense to me. Does it? Yeah. Does it? Yeah, because it fell from the top down, like it looks normal. It doesn't collapse into its base.

Tower seven collapses into its base. The way Tower one and tower is a little bit more than a little bit. It could be. Yeah. I mean you've got to think you have immense, immense amounts of weight. And it is collapsed. So if it does collapse the way it looks it's collapsing from the top down, it's not gonna be silent. You're gonna hear tremendous explosions when concrete hits the slabs below it. It's gonna sound like explosions.

Also you have the fog of war, right? So you have these people that are involved in an extremely traumatic situation and their memory is very fucked. Like you your memory's fucked when you experience something like this. You remember things funny, you have confirmation bias. There's a lot of weird stuff that happens. So this is the this is the explanation that a piece of the plane falls down and hits that building and

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sorry, a piece of the uh building I meant to say, sorry. So that that piece of the building falls down and not. hits the building next to it, Tower Seven. And that gash is all it took to take that building. That's super suspect. And I do know that there was a fire inside the building. I'm sure. I'm sure there was. But the way it fell was crazy.

That see, Tower one and tower two, it's like I don't know what happens when a jet flies into a a building like that, and neither do you. And also you got to deal with corrupt construction companies, cutting corners, not doing things up to code. Perhaps, perhaps. I'll give you that. I'll be super charitable. But with building seven, I'm like, come on, man. That's weird. That one's fucking

'Cause it doesn't fall like one and two. One and two fall from where the impact was, the deterioration of the structure, the weight of what's above the impact, it falls down on it, and you see a progressive collapse from the top to the bottom. Tower seven is nuts. Tower seven just drops, just drops all at once, free sp free fall speed into its base. Anybody that doesn't think that's weird is being naive. That's never happened before to a building that hasn't been a controlled demolition. Again.

not saying it could it's a controlled demolition. Maybe it's accurate that these enormous d drums of diesel are creating this fire, unprecedented load on the structure of the building. But see, even that with everything else that occurred, with all the tangential stuff that's occurred, you're still Like giving the benefit of the doubt, you'll have suspension of dispatch.

E I was trying to finish. That fire is not on every floor uniformly. So why is it collapsing uniformly from the top down into the base? Why doesn't the base where you have this incredible fire load, why doesn't that weaken and it fall over sideways because it no longer has structure anymore? Why is it

every floor has the same amount of damage and it gives in at the exact same time. That kind of doesn't make sense'cause the fire is not uniform throughout the building. It's not like the the building is one gigantic flame ball. And then it all gives out at the same time. But even then, I would think it would tip over, it would fall to the side, falling into its base. That seems to indicate some sort of a control.

Like it was done uniformly. They time it. When you watch like in Vegas when they blow up a casino, it's like dum, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. And then it does that. Dun dun dun dun. Let's watch watch an actual controlled demolition. So when you watch an actual control demolition, it looks just like that. And then I don't know. I mean the testimony of your eyes are telling you the truth. Mm-hmm. But your brain

you know, we'll come up with all sorts of stuff because Mundes Vault despite. Well I'm not allowing it to with Tower Seven. I I've always maintained a a pretty open mind with that, but also I lean toward Fucked. It d tower one and tower two? Maybe. Maybe. Tower seven? Come on. Yeah. Tower seven. Nobody looks uh and y if they're if they're telling you the tower seven seems normal, that seems it they seem so gas. Everybody that says that seems like they're gaslighting. So here we go. Hit it.

Okay, this one's they're setting up for a control demolition. So they're showing how There's other ones that have done a better job with. But it's the same kind of thing. It's still falling into onto itself. Yes, it's falling into itself the same way to our

That's a good movie that that's built a different shape. That has a a skirt building. It's got a center structure in the right. Yeah, it's a different kind of structure. It has a different look to it. Let's watch that one. Okay. There like there. Come on. That looks exactly like Tower Seven.

When you watch the back that up again a a little bit, please. Watch that from the top, from the beginning. Just a little bit before, right before it drops. So watch. They're looking, they're watching. We're gonna watch the building drop. There it is. That fucker goes right down like tower. Like from there, come on.

That's exactly like a control demolition. And even the way it looks as it's going down looks exactly like Tower Sun. You know, we were talking about predictive programming and m how movies and like spells can predict stuff in advance and uh you know kind of prepare you for the future of what's coming. You know, in nineteen ninety nine a movie came out which was effectively a manifesto, and that movie was called Fight Club.

And uh in what's the end of that movie? The end of that movie is the collapsing of the buildings, which are the financial system, you know, of the future, so that they can create a new future. Who produced that movie? Arnon Milchon. Who is Arnon Milshot? And they got a commercial director to uh do it. And he's like he's an excellent director and he I think it's a excellently beautifully made film, but who is Arnon Milchon? Well, you know, he himself has said I am a Mossad agent.

And he he said that out loud. Like that's not me saying that. That's him saying that. And uh Fincher said, uh, Oh yeah, my last movie. Oh, that was made by an arms dealer. Well that's him. That's Arnon Milchon. And so, you know w uh and what's another Arnon Milson movie? Uh The Medusa Touch with uh um George C. Scott and I think Lee Remick. And in that movie what happens? An airplane?

crashes into a building and you could probably pull that one up too. An airplane crashes into a building. This guy's obsessed with airplanes crashing into buildings and buildings collapsing in movies. And so what's likely? You know, is he Has he been reading uh these scenario plans that uh defense departments make and that are maybe, you know, uh Massad uh you know, plans that are made. I've worked for the DOD.

through John Millius and we wrote scenarios. They gathered together a bunch of Hollywood writers into a you know into a uh what is it like like a conference room, like a it was like more like a ballroom, but like a small one, and uh gather a bunch of us together around a table and said, Let's come up with ways on how to attack Los Angeles and we all wrote scenarios on how to attack LA.

And now they just use AI to do all that. But so you know, i i has he just been like reading these? Does he have access to them? And so he just puts them into his movies? Well, that movie was made in 1999 and what happened right after that movie got released? Those buildings came down. Nine eleven came down. And so is it predictive programming where you're showing the world what's to come and that makes it almost somewhat acceptable to do? Whoa. Or is it just coincidence?

And most people and most people out there will say, Oh no, it's just coincidence. It's coincidence. He just happens to be I mean, that's what's he what he has said. I don't know if he is or not Masad, but that's what he said. So Well that's the thing about the majority. s it's slapped on things and it immediately sort of diffuses any real questioning of Oh my God, are things this bad? Is there this much? But as time goes on and you're confronted with more and more information and I think

We're in the beginning stages of reckoning with these files that were just released where so many people like I haven't really read much of it. I've only read the things that are really outrageous that my friends have sent me. Because I'm just trying to maintain. Yeah, well that's just it. Most people want to maintain sanity. You just like I just want to get through the day.

You know, I just wanna like You're busy. Yeah. Right. I wanna raise my children in a in a world that is, you know, a peaceful world and uh where people respect each other and where we can like you can make something out of yourself, you know, uh through hard work and through merit. You know, it's like that's the world I wanna live in. And more and more it feels like we're not in that world. Did you see that thing that was just released today? I think it the AI company anthropic.

I think that's the company. So one of its engineers resigned. And essentially said that humanity is doomed and he's going to move to the UK and just write poetry and just wait it out. Hasn't that guy seen threads? Like. I mean one of the most dangerous places to be that's where he's going to wait it out? Like that's uh Well he probably has a Well when he says UK does he mean like where does he go I'm not sure. Maybe he means like the Scottish Highlands. Yeah. Yeah. And go into some small town.

Fucking Just hang out at a pub. Uh war capable men from uh you know, another country are gonna move in and they're gonna move into the local. And creating refugees on. Yeah, creating angry people. Yeah. Yeah. And who have a God you don't want to think that it's all planned out like that. But that was a bit of the exposure of USA.

You know, so uh I like many people thought USAID was about aid. I thought it was like a beautiful philanthropic program where the United States donates money to all these poor countries. That's how they get food. Like I had Bono on the show. And he's like, I've heard that thirty thousand people have already starved to death because of this.

thirty million people are gonna die. And I'm like, okay, but do you know how much con corruption was involved with this? Do you know that it's not AIDS? It's the Agency for International Development and mostly what they were doing was regime change shit? And Mike Benz laid it out and he said USAID was for Tasks that were too dirty for them.

Which is crazy. So like if they've been engineering this long game and engineering the collapse of legitimate governments all throughout the world, bombing places, creating refugees, and then having these not just open border policies. But inviting and helping people get into countries and then giving them money when they get there. Yeah. So many people do not want to admit that that was really going on. B despite all of the evidence. That's a n like it's designed to destroy

whatever confidence you have in law enforcement, in civilization, in the electoral process? Yeah, what's the answer? Okay, so given a choice between uh totalitarianism or cannibalism, you know, which would you prefer? Right, right. You take cannibalism because you don't want to be

Yeah. No, I mean you take totalitarianism'cause you don't want to be eaten. Like I would rather not be in the movie The Road. Uh but I feel like we're gonna turn that one off immediately. I feel like we're increasingly in the movie Children of Men. And Uh I mean that's that that movie was a pretty accurate futurist uh um example of where we're heading with collapsing birth rates and yeah uh at least portions of civilization looking at extinction.

I mean they're experiencing their totalitarian South Korea, Japan. What is can you find that guy's manifesto or the excuse me? Quaron is a genius for making that film. I just want to say Children of Men, yeah. Fantastic. Um so today is my last day at Anthropic. I resigned. Here's the letter I shared with my colleagues explaining my decision. That's a lot to read. What is the synopsis? Uh just ask perplexity what the synopsis of what this guy um said. Okay.

Sharma, who built defenses against AI assisted bioterrorism and push for transparency on model risks at the San Francisco AI firm, announced his resignation on Monday. He described struggles to let values guide actions amid mounting pressures. Planning to return to the UK for a poetry degree. and step back from the spotlight. His exit follows other safety team departures amid anthropics launch of Claude Opus four point six and a massive twenty billion dollar funding round.

At three hundred and fifty dollars, three hundred and fifty billion dollars valuation fueling debates on balancing safety with commercial speed. Okay, what but what is he saying specifically is the issue? Uh that's I mean, I'm not sure. Let's click on that. Let's fuck it. Let's click on his own. Yeah, um bioweapon. I mean look, he this guy's built something and uh all of a sudden he's realizing all the players that are funding it are likely, you know, scary, scary people.

Yeah. Scary people who are called, you know, drinking baby blood and offal together. What's awful again? Shit. Baby poop. Yeah. Um that's in the files. What comes next I do not know. I think fondly of this famous Zen quote Not knowing is most intimate. What? My intention is to create a space to set aside the structures that have held me these past years and see what might emerge in their absence. He's already working on his poetry right here.

I feel called to writing that addresses and engages fully with the place we find ourselves. And that place is pla that places poetic truth alongside scientific truth as equally valid ways of knowing. Elon said something very bizarre recently. He was talking about the speed of light, that the speed of light cannot be

If you believe Einstein. He said unless we live in a simulation. Or unless Einstein was wrong. Right. I mean l a lot of astrophysics is based on a false premise that uh P equals P prime and and that the sun is like uh designed a certain way and it's completely wrong and everything that we know about the stars and how we view the nature of the universe is

fundamentally incorrect. How is it wrong? Uh it's it's based on this idea of the s stability of Kelvin temperatures in the sun. And uh which is this P equals P prime uh thing. And the guy who invented like CAT scan machines, there's sort of a Venn diagram overlapping of you know, th this photographic technique and astrophysics and what he realizes, holy cow Th that is not true. And therefore, so much of everything that we know about how we view the cosmos is incorrect.

And so um yeah and much they find out that it was incorrect? Well he he's a mathematician, he figured it out. I I would have to look up his name and everything. I'd say At the beginning of astrophysics, there is this formula, and if that formula is wrong, then the preceding calculations are also wrong. or at least off. And so the idea is that, you know, w what we view is is really just a it's kind of a cartoon that's painted for

using all these formulas you know and and using radio telescopes. And so, you know, it it's Well they've already have issues with the findings from the James Webb. Oh yeah, well that's probably part of it. Yeah, uh you know, I have to say, like uh I mean, I'm a provocateur and so I'm always interested in uh um

people's, you know, concepts of things, and that's partly because I'm a screenwriter and I'm looking for these kind of conflicts and interesting ideas and stuff like that. So take what I'm about to say with a grain of salt. But uh the big one. The biggest conspiracy theory that freaks everybody out is flat Earth. Now, I don't know what the earth is, but experientially, through the testimony of the eyes, it is flat.

And there is uh very little chance that I will ever in my life, or most of us will ever in our life experience anything other than what is effectively a flat earth. And uh you know and and you know the way uh laser sighting across large bodies of water or navigation map maps for air p air travel, you know, for for pilots is always the presumption of a flat Earth.

It's always in the uh pilot manuals and on and on. How so? Well, if you're flying uh a jet at low altitude, you're not making corrections for curvature, even though you're going fast enough where you should. And so what's actually happening there? Well, um and and so the the idea is look, I don't know what the world is or what the realm that we're in is. But experientially From my perspective in life, it is nothing but a f it's a flat earth. But what about travel, right?

Like when they fly over Antarctica. Don't fly over the case. There's a understanding of the procession of the equinoxes. And so like uh when you look at it on a flat Earth map. Those are all cartoons. What are you talking about? I'm saying that uh even the NASA the guys who actually do those composites, those are composite images. But it seems like you're saying that the earth is possibly flat. I'm saying experientially. Right.

Correct. We're a tiny little thing on an enormous thing. Correct. But you know, snipers have to calculate for the curvature of the earth when they shoot. Only only uh the curvature of the landscape that they're gonna be. Why do you think the landscape curves? The landscape doesn't curve. The it is a mountainous and uneven. Not always. No, on flat plains you have to do the same thing.

Well then why do why then why don't pilots make uh adjustments? I'm not a pilot, I don't know. But uh but I do know that when you look at the film from the space station. Round but spinning. I see I what I s actually the s the the space station, you know the not what uh the International Space Station is actually not high enough to see curve. And what you're seeing is uh lens you know, the lens distortion.

And it's not high enough to see curvature when you look out of the horizon. It's actually even like it's it's very, very close to the Let's look at footage from the space station of Earth. So when you see satellite images that are taken of the earth, you think they're lying? You think there's this grand conspiracy to piece all these pictures together and turn it into a circle instead of have it flat?

uh conspiracy theory that unravels everyone. And well it doesn't make any sense because everything that we see in the cosmos that's a planetary body is round, including stars. So it's all round except for small moons. Everything's round and that that's because I'm not even I'm not even certain certain that space exists. That well, that the moon is anything more than a plasma. A plasma. What does that mean?

So that it's not a real thing, but it affects the tides. It is something that we have landed at the very least we've landed processes. This is that it affects the tides footage from the space station. This is live footage from the space station. And I'm saying that's lens curvature. And that what you're actually seeing is Why do you think that's lens curvature? And that what you're seeing is horizon.

So what you're talking about is like now because I don't want you to be completely fucking insane.'Cause this is a round body just like the moon. Just like Mars, just like Jupiter, just like Uranus that appears that appears to be a m a but in but in your practical life experience, you have to accept a certain amount of faith. But I'm getting at any moment. But they understand the procession of the equinoxes. Okay, do you know that the procession of the equinoxes is how they measure the

I see right there a little uh stitching. A l uh like right there. I just so this would just keep going straight forever. Do you see that line Do you see that line right there? What is that? What is that line? Yeah, what is that line? Well, that looks like uh stitching to me. It looks like they've stitched together and it c crosses over there through that mountain range right there.

That is weird. Whatever that is. But So for your by your very example, I'm just saying that you have to have a certain amount of faith in that. And on the surface, Mundes Vault D CP. You you're freaking me out. Go back go back to that, Jamie. So what is the explan go back a little bit? Yeah, what is the explanation of that line right there? Right, but uh how weird is that?

That is weird that there's this line. Right, because that in itself is a composite image, a cartoon that has been put together for you to look at this this apparent live image. And is this multiple images that are supposedly pieced together? Is that what they're doing?

But now you use a what is that camera? Is it a P two hundred camera that where you can actually zoom in and lift things out of the horizon that uh have appeared to fall into the horizon? This live video This live video feed from the International Space Station has been. The video will return when a connection is reestablished. So this is during the live feed. It's just down right now. Okay, so you're you're saying that this is like a fisheye effect of a lens. Yeah, potentially.

up there shooting with uh cameras outside. You're like, Oh, there's the there's the curvature and then every now and then the camera turns and the and it inverts for a moment, then it goes back down. I've never seen that. I I I I watch a lot of NASA stuff and Listen, I'm not saying that we're not living on a globe or at least an oblate spheroid as Neil deGrasse Tyson says,

basticated that guy gets whenever you throw out the word flat earth, he flips out like the way Robert De Niro flips out on uh on tr like i irrationally he flips out. He flips out when you say that men can't be women. Which is very weird. Yeah. And that they should be able to compete in women's sports. Which is very weird. Like a man for a man of science, that's bonkers. Or that they should be able to go to jail and that a sex offender. Fucking insane. Not just that, but rapist.

Yeah. And then they have to pay for their electrolysis and breast augmentation, which is okay. At what point in time do you say that this is some sort of a bizarre agenda that you're trying to get us to accept something that doesn't make any So much so that you're willing to house male prisoners in with females because they say they're a male with an intact penis and then even after they get like female prisoners pregnant or rape them?

We're all just trying to construct what reality is and it tends to be a uh a consensus. of what it is. But you know, there are fringes that On the ends that don't believe with what the consensus says. Are they wrong? But do you know how many people would have to be involved to promulate this?

idea that there's a a flat earth and you gotta cover up that thing and pretend it's round? And what what's the motivation of covering up the fact that the earth is flat? It's an i I mean, if we're really fundamentally getting down to it, it's about God. And it's about what is this realm that we're in and are we part of creation and uh But why would it why would it be more likely gone?

flat earthish environment with a dome, a firmament that uh covers it up until like when? Uh the nineteen thirties or something. Right, when they start making telescopes. Well the and so this is a grand conspiracy like Galileo was wrong, Copernicus was wrong, all these people didn't know. And I mean, I'm not sure. The other the other option is that we are just specks of nothing.

Floating around in an endless vast nothing that goes on forever, and that you are completely insignificant, that you are not God's perfect creation, which I think you are. Well, that doesn't they're not mutually exclusive. You know, just because we are in this vast cosmos that's almost impossible for mammal minds To to grasp the magnitude of it doesn't mean that God's not real. It's exclusive to people who uh who believe the Bible word for word. I'm not saying I do necessarily. I I am uh

uh I would be considered apostate, you know, by most uh um by most people. I've been reading the Bible a lot and one of the problems that I find is Clearly got the hand of man on it. Well it's been edited. It's been edited, you know, the King James or who was King James? He wrote Bible he wrote books on demon non demons as well. And so uh who was Well even the Old Testament.

The Old Testament has the hand of man on it. Not just that, but it's also been translated so many different times. Like ancient Hebrew, the letters double as numbers. There's no numbers in ancient Hebrew. So words have numerical value to them.

And you know, t imagine translating such a complex language where like the let the word God and the word love they have the same numerical value. I believe. I read here's another thing. I've read that. I don't know if it's true. So let me find out if that's Put that into perplexion. There's a lot of weird stuff in the Bible in Gen in Genesis when the the Nephilim come down and they find women comely and so they're like okay what's actually going on there?

uh these angels or Nephilim are are are coming down and they're Taking women from men and having sex with them and then creating uh you know hybrid offspring. When representative uh Anna Paulina Luna was here, she told me about the Book of Enoch, she's like, You have to read that. Have you ever read it? I don't know. So I read it.

What? That's what I was trying to ask specifically. Which part did you ask about that? No, what I what I asked you was uh ancient Hebrew. So the letters also duplicate numbers. That's what the movie Pi is all about. And that the word love and the word God have the same numerical value. Um Very very certain that that's true but I wanna really double check it out. Everywhere and you know everything yeah it seems to have a kind of and that's what the Aronofsky film Pi was kind of all about is the

That was a great movie. Yeah, it's a very interesting statement by this uh mathematician. We talked about it on a recent podcast was that How strange is it that we find out that the universe is made out of math? And that it's v encoded in the universe itself. So a tool that we use that human beings created to measure the universe, it turns out that that that tool is how the universe is actually encoded. Well this gets back to what Elon is saying about the world being a simulation

Uh huh. So it says no in ancient Hebrew whatever that word is, gymatria, uh no direct name of God shares the exact same numerical value as the word for love. So what is the basis of that room? Uh sacred name equals twenty six, a name for God equals eighty six. Okay. Is there a a word for God? Y Elohim. Does that have the same? It's a name. Right. What is the value of click on that below that below that where it says what is the geometric how was that word?

Gematria. Gematria. Gematria. Primary Jewish mystici Oh Kabbalah. Yeah. Religious studies to find hidden spiritual meanings in sacred texts. Okay. It is fascinating though that that there's numerical value in words. Like you there's no way you're gonna get that when you translate it to Latin. Uh so that is a gym or Greek. That is a value of eighty six. And what is love's value? What is the value what is the ancient Hebrew word for love? What is the ancient Hebrew word for love?

What you mean by love is gonna be very Two people. That's a good point. Definitely. So th what is that? Click on that. What's the gemantria value of Avala? Right there? Right there? Yeah. Click on that. Thirteen twice equals twenty-six, the value of Yahweh. Yeah. Huh.

This movie, The Carpenter's Son, is all about the infancy of Jesus, and I think as written by Matthew. And it's part of these uh um I I may have this wrong, but uh Coptic uh texts and it is like Nicholas Cage is so good in this movie. Could but this so twice thirteen equals twenty six the value of Yahweh implying love mirrors or completes God God's essence. Okay, so that's where that comes from. Right, that's where it comes from. So God is love. So love twice is

God post. Um so here's a here's a question. What happened the so the go both put I was I I understand. I understand. Go to ask a follow up. Um so The how was the numerical value of ancient Hebrew language lost when they translated it to Latin? To Greek. But to Greek first, right? How is the numerical value of ancient Hebrew words? Numerical value of ancient Hebrew words lost when they translated it to Greek.

Because it seems like if the it's not just context, like what is your word for that? Like the word meant a different thing through You know? Numerical values of ancient Hebrew words calculated via germatria were lay letters double as numbers was not preserved in Greek translation. Um Hebrew letters inherently carry fixed numerical values, enabling word sums Um Greek letters have their own values.

Uh equivalents rarely match Hebrew sums exactly. So you're gonna lose it. Like you know when you read like um r Russian translations of English or English to Russian, it gets like super screwy. For sure, for sure. Ancient Spanish uh servant is incredibly difficult. Even Gematria. All words mean another number that all have some

Runic writing f from the Nordics is the same thing and there is a striking resemblance between many of the runes with uh Hebrew. And so these ideas and these glyphs and symbols. that Odin first saw while hanging upside down from the tree and learned uh language and how to speak. are somewhat universal across the planet. We'll get to that for a second, but let's find out what Jamie's saying. Primarily used in Jewish mysticism.

and religious studies to find hidden spiritual meanings in sacred texts like Torah by assigning numerical values to Hebrew letters and words, revealing connections between concepts and exploring the universe's underlying structure. What's interesting is like it's an older language, but doesn't that seem like a more complex language? A language that combines numer numerical value with words? Like the like if you said something to me uh

it's not just implied by your tone or by the context of what you're saying that I understand what it means to you, but it's it's in the numerical value of the words. That seems like a better way to communicate. Than just nouns and verbs and adverbs like rather than bifurcating and uh numbers. Numbers and and letters together. Like sounds like a way better move. I mean, doesn't it? It seems like if you can understand that and if you grew up with that

Aaron Powell That seems like that would be a much richer and deeper way of communicating. Aaron Powell Isaac Asimov wrote a book called Asimov on Numbers, which is fantastic, which talks about this. And he talks about Kalahari Bushmen who have no concept of the number zero. and how they process and understand concepts like, you know, uh when no one is around, uh, you know, if the village is empty and things like that. And so uh, you know, just different people are just trying to

figure out how to articulate everything. And you know, computer programming is a language that utilizes no It's weird when there's like certain languages that don't have a word for something.

So people really grasp they have a hard time grasping what the fuck you're trying to say. Yeah. Like what's the translation for this? Like w we don't have a word for that. We don't we don't understand the concept of empathy. Well well there's certain um cultures That are like um Uh tribal cultures that can't understand the concept of maintenance.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They don't have that I've heard that. Yeah. Which is weird. Like you think about it, like, oh right,'cause why would they need maintenance? Right. Why would they need maintenance? If you live a subsistence lifestyle, you live off the land, you don't need maintenance. And then suddenly you're thrust into the twenty first century and then

Chinese are building highways for you and the highways collapse. Yeah, and the highways just collapse because no one's maintaining it. Right. Yeah. But it's a it's interesting. And dropping them suddenly in the back to this idea that we're missing a thousand years. So if we really are missing this one thousand f there's two things I want to get I want to get to that and I added a thousand years.

I really want to get to that and uh well the th I I meant by uh missing like they don't they don't exist in the real world. Right. I wanna get to that and I wanna get to is there a conventional explanation for that style? why that image like what is the mainstream Well I gotta dig up what that what we were even looking at. I don't know. Right. I don't it was not the NASA channel we were looking at. I don't you know. I can dig down that rabbit hole. What were we looking at?

You know, the globe imagery that hold on a second. So that image might not have been an official image. That might have been something that someone created. just saying it was it seemed like a live video. It was live on YouTube. Oh, but it could have been AI. No, I get it, dog. I get it. So I appreciate what I'm saying. Up and down of the rocket. It doesn't have curvature. When you see a rocket launch, what does it do? It goes kind of sideways across the sky.

And so like we've now seen that, you know, pretty regularly, and that's because they're really not going above the troposphere. Which is the first time you're going to be able to do that. I was there. It went straight up in the air. And then it curves and it travels sideways across the sky until it meets the horizon. I went to the command. No. From the command center. I watched it from like twenty-four different cameras. Mm-hmm. But how high did it go? Did it go above the triple?

Not likely. Like this is not how many miles is that up? This is low Earth orbit where Right. But at low Earth orbit. Jesus Christ, that looks like a globe, huh? But watch as the camera rotates. This is also an edited video. I don't want to get stuck in this. As Elon would say, uh it it's real because it looks fake or when it looks fake that's when you know it's real.

Uh you know what's real? That Turkish sharpshooter, that dude was a G up in the corner. Um pr press play. See what this is supposed to be. It cuts. It cuts. Yeah. Okay. Oh I So it's cuts a bunch of different things. So now you can actually see an inversion uh occurring on the on the um horizon right there. Correct, but the lens distortion on the side of the frame is causing the um the horizon there To go the opposite to in to invert, and that's because of lens distortion.

I see what you're saying. And the fact of the matter is, even at the height that they go even at the height that these are orbiting at, and I'm not saying like presuming presuming a globular uh planet. uh and even the word planet, plane, it's like a plane at you know, or a the horizon is horizontal like uh you know Even presuming that, the height that they're at right now, you would still only see, you know, a circular uh Yeah.

Yeah, which is because it's so massive. You're still high enough. You're still not high enough to truly see curvature. If we are in a simulation and if consciousness it affects the reality of things and they are only real if we are That's when things get really squirrely. It's the testimony of your eyes. Like I know that I am here right now. Not just the testimony of your eyes, but your consciousness interacting with reality is what creates

Correct. I mean That's that's where things get super smart. How do you know gravity exists, for example? Well gravity's not clearly defined. And it's a non truly non provable concept because you can prove the exact same thing through density and buoyancy. You know, the density and buoyancy, you know, make a lot of s how come the oceans uh you know react to the way they do and don't you know, it's it's uh uh It it it's not necessarily provable, but it's believable.

My faith in that in gravity, my faith in the globe, uh, because that's what's been told to me since I was a baby. Uh it at a certain point that just takes over. And you not just that and you accept that as a fundamental piece of what reality is because we want to believe we understand the universe. What I'm saying is we don't understand Jack Shay. About the universe.

And all we do is we believe what they tell us. And they is just the the cumulative understanding of how things are. But in ancient times, they had a different understanding of things, and that was how it was back then. And so because they had no other way to describe it. Right, but even then the reality is just built things based on where the sun was going to be during the solar equinox. They also were aware of the procession of the equinoxes, which is the wobble of Earth's orbit.

So Earth spinning around doesn't spin perfectly. There is a twenty-six thousand year wobble, and you could predict it by the night sky. Somehow Polaris remains centered in the sky and all stars rotate around it. Extraordinary. If we're traveling What what do you mean? D so during the precession of the equinoxes over a twenty six thousand year cycle, Polaris no just res re It has remained it has remained. Supposedly that's cause we' that that's where we're flying towards as uh

as a solar system as we travel through the galaxy in this complex dance of planets. Well the the point of Polaris Uh w will always remain uh where it is directly. Depending upon where we are in this twenty six thousand year cycle. A kind of uh motion of sorts. It changes. A figure eight motion through time. It changes. Look at it. It says right here. Due to the twenty six thousand year axial procession cycle, the North Star changes over millennia, while Polaris is the current North Star.

Other stars have held this position, including Thuban, three thousand B C and future stars will include Ari Aldermain Aldermin Aldermin and Vega. So it's not the same star. It's just what is dependent upon where we are in the procession of the equinox.

Well, there they're not going to be able to do that. But it's not just that. We know where they've they've been able to accurately predict the motion of the precession of the equinoxes based on the constellations, which are clearly mapped out. So we understand this wobble. And this wobble may be responsible for cycles of Earth's w Earth's climate. how things change and and m be dependent upon where the equator sits. And where these poles sit and how it wiggles around. Reality is changing.

change. The sun looks exactly the same to me. Does? You think the sun is the same? To me it's I think pollution has affected it slot somewhat, especially if you live in LA. Well there used to be more pollution and so maybe that's an excuse of why uh the sun would be more yellow, but I've lived all over the world. Epstein talking about gravity? Oh boy. Oh here we go. Here we go. I'll just say

I just let it go. So someone's pushing the ball. Because I know that I am confident that the only thing that gets something to move is with a force that pushes. So there's a force that's pushing the ball down. In fact Yes, he never he called it gravity. He measured how fast it was pulled. But Never was able to explain why it happened. How is it? What is gravity?

It's this everybody says, Well, why did the ball fall to the ground?'Cause gravity took it. But what's gravity? That's as Feynman would say, that's the name of the thing. We have no idea what it is. Or it's just density and both. He was really into this topic apparently. Apparently. He knew a lot about it. You know who you should have on is Eric Dubay. Do you know who this guy is? Oh he's the flat earth guy. Yeah, he's the flat earth guy and he's written a book called A Hundred Proof.

And in order to prove something you also have to prove things wrong. You went down some rabbit holes, Roger Avery. So in order to prove in order to prove what? And so you know, he he wrote a book called A Hundred Proof. about uh you know the the nature of you know the the earth and how it is. And it has explanations for many of the things you're has you're talking about. Hasn't he debated people that actually understand

How you can prove that the earth is round? Right, but I don't think he's done well. But to people that are actual cosmologists, he's not performed well enough. W well, the cosmologists will uh say things that still need to be if you're making statements, they still need to be you still need to disprove the other uh you know, the other proof. Right, but there's plenty of people that have disproven that the earth Yeah, I'm all I'm saying experiments.

You are really like when you go up into an airplane, I do not see the curvature of the earth. Well you can't because of perspective, because you're so tiny. Correct, because we're so tiny. So all I'm saying is that through experience that the testimony of your eyes, you will never experience a globular earth. You can't you do it. They've made models of how that could work. I'm not saying we don't live on a globular Earth. But the numbers matter. Don't get me wrong. But the numbers matter.

If you do assume that they're correct that we orbit around the sun, but their calculations are not the same. If they make the calculations on their flat Earth model as well. then you still have to prove that wrong. Right, but is NASA doing that? What is MIT NASA? NASA, like of of all people to believe, the ones who are digitally stitching shit and saying

That's a government's a government agency. You went so deep with this, boy. I all no, all I'm saying is my experience. Mm-hmm. You know, when I get on the plane later today and I'm flying back and I look out o outside, I'm gonna see a flat, you know, if a flat uh horiz horizon, a horizontal horizon before me. And and and when I land and uh and you know, it's everything else is faith based.

Well I'm saying it's not though. It's it's science based. It's based on data. It's based on our understanding. The word science means observation. It means testimony. Data. One, from my ability to understand, but from most people's ability to understand. the circumference of the earth, right? You can understand the numbers. And the numbers line up exactly with how much time it would take for the earth to go around in a day. Sure.

And uh in what other experiment can you show me where water clings to a spinning bullet? Like that's kind of the the classic flat earther uh thing that they'll ask you like well show me any other show that's twenty four thousand miles wide. And the answer to that is gravity. And what he's talking about in that uh clip that you just showed is gravity is just sort of this idea that we came up with

To justify that. But there's clearly a force that does that. That's density. Just density? There's yeah, density. Well then how come these two things will fall at the same time if I drop'em when this is far heavier. How come? I do not have an answer for that. Right. But gravity does, right? Gravity is like he said, it's just a measurement. It's a measurement of how things fall.

And the word that they invented, gravity, is just a an explanation for how objects are are pulled downward. Right, but those objects if it was just density, wouldn't a heavier object Drop faster. Well when a there's two balls is a bowling ball and feathers How weird. Vacuum, no density. They both fall at the same time because of gravity, or whatever the force we call gravity is. But there is some sort of a force that we call gravity that could be measured in a vacuum.

Look how excited they all are. Pissed if he was here right now. Shit. I'm not listening I'm not sa all I'm saying is that my experience in the world of course, but your perspe experience is based on perspective of being a tiny little thing on an enormous thing. Correct. Yeah. That is correct. Yeah. That is correct. A ton.

I tried years ago and I gave up. But what's interesting about it is that if y if you extract like the uh the the the faith that you have in these kind of ideas and you supplement it with the faith of you know these other ideas. They're exchangeable.

They're only exchangeable if you don't understand the data and if you don't understand what's actually been measured or if you don't understand the path of satellites or if you don't understand how many different people would have had to lie about this shit and not achieve the same observational result.

that all these different space agencies have. That the idea that they're all in collusion, that Japan and India and even countries that hate Y they're all in collusion on this this lie that the earth is round. Well it seems much more likely that there's a bunch of people with schizophrenia that think that the earth is flat and they make these YouTube videos

Where they're very compelling because they're articulate and they use great words and they say it all in a nice way without being challenged by real facts along the way by someone who actually has studied this their whole life. Right. I still saw a digital stitching. Yeah, it wasn't my example. It was some shit Jamie randomly pulled offline. That was weird though. And that's perfect.

for this world that we live in, to to have sort of a glitch like that. That's kind of what I'm getting at is there's so much out there is so much out there. that it it just re li it falls to faith. And it also what does it really matter? That's kind of what uh what I'm getting at ultimately is what does all of that really matter? What does it matter to anybody that there's a cabal of eight thousand plus

Uh people who are secretly controlling the world and doing occultism and drinking baby blood. What does it really matter? This is a very different subject now. We've we've shifted. Of the earth being flat, and it's a giant lie that's promoted by an a huge group of people that aren't even connected in any way, shape, or form to evil people that are involved in cult-like rituals, which has, by the way, always existed.

And this is why it's so it's very difficult for people to imagine today that some of the things that you're hearing from the Epstein Files, like the potential that they were eating children or killing children, or that they use that sulfuric acid to to boil bodies. We don't wanna believe in evil that is that deep. But in my opinion, if you can find out that evil is real.

Right. Evil most certainly is real. There's evil acts that we have documented all throughout the world. There's evil that the cartel does. I just watched a video where the cartel chopped this guy's head off and put it on a drone and flew it over. They probably thought that was funny. They probably thought it was funny. Um that's clearly evil. There's plenty of demons. You believe in demons?

I believe in the concept of demons. I mean demons have don't don't materialize before us necessarily. They rest upon the shoulders of men and whisper into their ears. I believe and then people do evil things. This is what I believe. I believe that if I was a demon, or if there if demons were real, they would get people to do things which are verifiably true that they have done.

I if uh if you were uh if you were a a demonic idea and you got into Oppenheimer's head or uh Patton's head or anybody's and you wanted them to do something horrific to a bunch of innocent people it w it d and you could say this is because we're at war. So we're gonna drop a nuclear bomb on here. Like that's a demonic act. It's a demonic act of uh eliminating hundreds of thousands or a hundred thousand plus people off the face of the earth who did not

They're just citizens that are unfortunately involved in a country that is in a conflict with some people that they don't even know and then they just got vaporized like that. That seems demonic. You've just expired it. But there are people who would argue that there are people who would argue that the war would have continued. I would want you to think that you have to do it. And so like is is evil justification of things?

Um certainly if if you wanted to find a way where a demon like just like assume that demons are real. How would demons best be able to demonic things on on earth. Would they do it by saying, I'm a demon and you know, this is this is what you should do and this is uh this is horrible and evil? Or would you creep into someone's head and find justifications for doing a demonic

Like there's a lot of things like You would creep you well, you would creep into someone's head. Right. And you would it you know, you would boil the frog slowly. Like let's imagine this is the AIDS crisis and you know that AZT is killing But you also but you also know that you are making An insane amount of profit. off of killing people with AZT and you have already established a narrative and c and Fauci said this publicly.

that the reason why they only prescribe AZT is AZT is the only thing that is both safe and effective. He literally used the same language that he used to be. Yes. If I wanted if I was a demon, I'd want to get in that And I'd wanna get him to keep doing it and say look how much money that You gotta keep this money. You gotta there's a way to justify this. You're the purveyor of information. You are the gatekeeper of the truth.

You just find a way to dance around these numbers. You do not know what you are talking about. This is not gain of function. I mean think just what he did there that was evil. By by taking a virus

Funding it, even though it was illegal to fund it in the United States, by doing it through EcoHealth Alliance and then, you know, farming it out to them, they do it at the Wuhan Lab. And you are in fact Doing gain of function research on a virus designed for human beings to make it more deadly and more contagious. That's demonic. There was a researcher in Canada at the Manitoba Level Four lab.

Uh Dr. Qui, I think is how you pronounce her name. And she was the one who solved Ebola. Like she had come up with the vaccine for Ebola, which is manufactured by a California company that is based And like a rock star, she had made a Like it was like a hit. She had a hit, a huge hit. And just like a rock star, everybody's asking you, What comes next? What comes next? And so she started actively working.

working really, really hard at uh at coming up with that next thing. And, you know, like most people, you don't want to stand in line. And these level four labs, you know, they have to uh whenever you move your research from one lab to another, uh, you have to go through all sorts of stuff in order to do that because it's all patented. All of these microbes and viruses.

Ebola strains and whatnot. It's all patented. And so, for example, there was this one kid who was uh working at the lab in Canada and he was moving I think to the one in Atlanta and so he was crossing the border and he was he didn't want to like, you know, have to reproduce all of his work and so he just put it into a thermos inside of a thing and tried to cross the border and he got caught. Well, she got caught in twenty nineteen uh by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police.

basically moving stuff to from Canada via Air Canada freight from uh Manitoba from Winnipeg, this is the Winnipeg uh lab, to Wuhan. And she they were moving everything and I tracked where those uh where where the'cause I was writing a screenplay of it. And uh I so I tracked like where did that come from? Well it it's like the

Cutter or maybe it was Abu Dhabi, I can't remember, the lab there and then that went through in order to get around it, got sent to the one in Amsterdam and that got sent to her. And she was able to do all this stuff and she was basically just shipping, you know, everything, Honta and all these patented things to Wuhan, you know, in order to uh to do it. And

Uh the Real Canadian Mounted Police basically, you know, stopped it and she got like walked out of the laboratory and everything because they were like, is there a misappropriation of money going on here? Like what are all these flights that are occurring? and they redacted who her financer was. And we still don't know who her financer was, but it's one of three people and it's the people you probably can guess. Th you know, these uh people who have an interest in uh Yeah,

And uh and and and but her thing was just ambition. It was just like anybody. She was just wanting to have that next hit, and she would do anything to, you know, to to do it, to to repeat what she did with Ebola. So she was helping to engineer viruses? Yeah, they were engineering stuff and then she would ship them via Air Canada freight from Winnipeg to directly to Wuhan on Air literally on Air Canada. So you're flying on Air Canada to Wuhan and down below in cargo there's all this like you

Some shit that can throw out. Something that's patented and then they're just shipping it over to and you know, none of this has come out. Like I some uh papers in Canada, you know, like the Winnipeg Free Press or something, was trying to cover it, but you know, it just gets kind of That was one of the weird things that I had also seen that I don't know if it's true in the Epstein files that there was talk about engineering a pandemic. Yeah, yeah.

Was it did you Yeah, I read that too. I read that too. That they were like actively working on it, like, you know, running models and figuring it out and you know, well if we do this then this will happen. Yeah, they were pretty successful at that. But why would Epstein be involved if he's a financier? He was involved in everything. Right. He was involved in everything. It was like amazing the energy that that guy had.

Who has the energy to be like doing all this stuff like all over the world and like, oh, in Nigeria we're doing this and in Yemen we're doing this and here we're doing that? And at the same time, y trafficking all these girls and you know, and young children and like Right. It says no credible evidence in the recently released Epstein Files links Jeffrey Epstein or is associates to engineering the COVID nineteen pandemic.

Claims stem from a misinterpreted twenty seventeen email referencing routine pandemic preparedness discussions, not a plot. So what was the claim? The original claim go down. I didn't ask it about pand COVID nineteen. So what is the pandemic claims? Scroll down a little. There it goes. So 2017 email originally from 2015 discussions to Bill, widely assumed to be gay. Uh forwarded to Epstein proposed recommendations and technical specifications for pandemic modeling of various strains.

It focused on healthcare data, simulations for preparedness, and neurotechnology, not creating or engineering a virus. Gates Foundation later ran public event two thousand one and two thousand nineteen, a standard exercise with John Hopkins and WHO pre dating COVID reports. That whole public event two thousand one is Fucking weird. Event two thousand one is weird. Uh context and debunking. Pandemic simulations are common public health tools.

For th like those for SARS or flu right, but why is Jeffrey Epstein involved in these discussions? But how fucking weird is that? How weird a pandemic. A pandemic was reportedly mentioned in the Epstein files running the world three years before COVID nineteen. Well this is what my friend Eddie is.

running the Reddit forum on World News. Like she's literally shaping the World News Reddit forum Reddit forum. Yeah. She was running the World News Forum on Reddit? Yeah, she was and it all went dark the minute she got picked up. her uh her person, but she was like the the main contributor did thousands of uh posts like all day long posting world news. Shaping our perception of things. One email was a subject preparing for pandemics was sent by a person whose name was redacted.

By the way though, um did you see that why would they redact the person who sent that? That's not a victim. You're supposed to redact the bigger thing. Sometimes you can see like, oh, the name is short, it's probably Bill and then the one that comes after that if it's a little longer, it might be Clinton and if it's a little shorter, it might be Gates. You know, like you could kinda But again that's just, you know

It's like d there's no found it's like plausible deniability until until they release all these names. Did you notice that um uh Jeffrey Epstein's Fortnite account. Yeah. Suddenly became active. in uh Tel Aviv and that somebody is playing under his right after his supposed death. Right. Suddenly he's playing Fortnite again. Yeah. He doesn't even have the decency to make a new account. Well he wants to keep all of his like, you know stats. His stats.

Wants to keep all that stuff. Yeah. And he's safe in uh you know, in another country. So do you think they just like did those that's another thing. There was another Reddit thread about some guy who said that he was a guard. It was a fourchan thread. Four was it four chan? Yeah. So it was a four chan thread where this guy said that he was a guard

At the facility and he posted this before Epstein was killed. He was a guard. They uncovered using whatever way they do it, but using phone records or whatever from 4chan, they discovered he was a guard. And that he was like a legit guy. He got caught basically talking about it. that they snuck they they use a decoy body. There was an unscheduled uh ambulance arrival.

that night th they never logged in and you're always supposed to log in. There's footage of like, you know, orange uh people in orange moving through the facility on the um you know just glimpses of it on the other side. So you think he's alive somewhere? It's It's not impossible. It's not impossible. It's probable. Also didn't It's a probability. It may Whatever It's more than a possibility. The guy who did the autopsy, did anything happen to him? the guy who

He committed suicide. Yeah, let's find that out. That would be fucking crazy. Because that happened to the guy who did the autopsy on Andrew Breitbart. Didn't he wind up dying shortly after that? Like Andrew Breitbart and who's the guy who said the pedestrians. Alarming. Who are you know doing this stuff who die of some real reason to do so. Yeah. Suddenly they do it. I knew jail who committed suicide and they didn't.

They got killed by their celly. Nobody bothered checking in on that. Yeah. That makes sense. Um, the guy who did the autopsy for Jeffrey Epstein, did anything happen to him? Chief. Okay, so nothing happened to her. You're talking about evil you know who the devil was in the Exorcist? Who?

Uh well i they say it's like puzzo and we're presented with an actual devil, but when you actually watch the movie there's kind of evidence that Uh and and people have talked about this, that uh you know, there's evidence within the film that uh it's it's it's more than just

demonic possession. That the demonic possession comes from some place. And by the way, Jeffrey Epstein was uh doing also funding research in y uh uh how trauma uh affects like clairvoyance and uh telepathy and things like that, how you're able to invoke those out of uh traumatic out of trauma. And in The Exorcist, there's uh you know, you have uh Reagan who's uh Linda Blair, and uh there's that party scene. And you remember in The Exorcist, they're making a movie within the movie.

Yeah, they're they're actually shooting a movie. The the character of the mother is uh um she's acting in a film inside of the movie and there's a director in that film. And they have a big party scene. after it. And the director, uh, you know, he's he's basically yelling at the the butler, her her houseman, you know, calling him a Nazi and stuff like that. And he's I bet you b went bowling with Goebbels and things like that. Well, for a while he vanishes from the party.

and we later see like Reagan afterwards like completely flipped out like laying in bed. And then after that she comes and then he's leaving the party and he turns to the mother and he's like, I have to tell you something. I have Any leap.

And so and then after that Reagan comes down and she looks to the astronaut guy and says, You're gonna die up there and then she pisses on the floor and everybody's And from that moment on, there's all this like uh highly sexualized devil speaking through her with a British accent.

and the guy, the director, is a British guy. And so the implication and then he is for some reason left with Reagan and then gets thrown out of the uh the balcony and his head is twisted all the way around and he's he dies as a character. Um so the implication is that the director is the one who has raped Reagan and thus invoking this demonic presence into her. And it turns out that I I thought it was a Some totem that they found and it was possessed.

uh actually made a movie called um John Goldfrapp Your Life Is blah blah blah. I can't remember the exact title of the film. And he made that movie with Shirley McLean. And the director of the film is this guy, Jay Lee Thompson, British director who looks exactly like the uh the actor in And so the idea is that Uh Reagan's mother is Shirley McLean.

And uh Reagan is her daughter Sasha. And the British director is Jaylee Thompson. And when you start looking at his movies, they're a little strange. You know, there's like, you know, he directed the original Cape Fear and which has a kind of Strange. Pedophilic thing going on in it. So does the second one. And yeah, yeah, they all do. And then uh especially they they amplify.

Yeah, with Julia, he did this movie King with uh Bronson and that all has kind of like a weird pedophilic thing. He did this movie, The Reincarnation of Peter Proud, where Peter Proud dies and then uh i or he he rather uh Peter Proud remembers his reincarnation. He remembers his iteration of his other self who was murdered. And then he hunts down the woman who maybe did it, and then starts sleeping with her daughter, which is basically sleeping with his daughter.

Because he's reincarnated. So this guy as a filmmaker has done all this and so the the question and and so William Peter Blady worked on that film with Shirley McLean and shortly thereafter wrote the book The Exorcist. And Sasha in her, you know, uh autobiography even mentioned uh you know, ah, the person on the cover of the book looked a lot like me. Everybody's just saying, oh it's just a coincidence.

And uh, you know, well I never walked down the stairs on all fours and I never vomited, uh, you know, pea soup or whatever that none of that ever happened to me. But there's a pretty dark implication behind the whole film. And I brought it up with William Friedkin. Hey Is this meant to be Jayley Thompson? It did this like is this a way to talk about that that actually happened? You know, in in real life, he said, I cannot talk about that, but I'm not saying you're wrong.

Whoa. And uh and and so You know, and there's actually a moment where Uh Regan is talking to her mother and she's like, Well, do you like him? Do you like him like you like daddy? And so there's this idea that he's been coming over and they've been having this affair. And then all of a sudden she says to her daughter, and it kind of jumped out at me when I rewatched it. Uh she says to her daughter, Well, uh I like pizza, but I wouldn't marry one.

And it was like, Oh my god, there's like a pizza reference like in the middle of this in the middle of everything that's happening. How long is that that's Periola but uh Ben Swan brought up during the whole Pizzagate thing that got him fired? But how long has the term pizza been used? Well Oh it jumped out at me and The Exorcist is in the early seventies and uh and so what is it, nineteen seventy one and that movie that he did with Shirley MacLean who

is effectively that's the movie that they're shooting inside of the movie. And so this was a way for Peter Benchley I mean I not Peter Benchley, uh William Peter Blady, to uh to kind of Transcode all of that. And the astronaut in the film, Shirley McLean, talks about the the I can't remember if it was her husband or boyfriend that she remarried who was an astronaut. And in her autobiography she talks about he w how he was cloned. He came back

from space and a different person that he was cloned. And that she kinda everybody kinda laughed it off like, oh, it was just kind of a joke that I wrote into my autobiography. But it's kind of weird. Realware. Yeah, it's really strange. So be people speak through movies and they they hide information in in film.

And so I think that some more than others, right? Yeah, William Peter Blady kind of who was doing all sorts of uh Ouija stuff with uh Shern Sherlin McLean, who was really into that kind of thing back in the se you know the late sixties and early seventies. And uh you know Well he's writing that movie's about Shirley McLean, her daughters her her daughter, Sasha Sasha.

and uh um the you know the astronaut and you know it it's all and Jalee Thompson who basically he e eviscerates within the film but in a way that nobody really connects It all happens off camera. But but the implication is is that she was raped by that director. And from and from that moment on has a kind of You know, she's speaking with a British accent, as the devil.

She's talking about, you know, being raped by a crucifix. That actor that's his voice? Is that what you're saying? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's like the the voice of ed of I think his name is uh McGowan. And he was uh he died like shortly after the film. Shortly after. Well we know that m people have encoded very bizarre things. What Kubrick was famous for it. Yeah. Well that's uh Kubrick everybody does it. I do it, everybody does it. I mean motion pictures are a kind of magic spell.

And, you know, when you write your hearing I I hear voices and they come through me and they land on the page and I don't know where they come from. But it is it is a kind of uh in invite to possession. And y that these things come into you and that you put it on the page And then you make this movie and everybody, like I said, sits in a theater in the dark and watching a flicker of this thing and it's telling you both our myths and traditions, but it's also predictive programming, everybody.

Jesus dude. Have you seen Have I seen what? Well actually I I was thinking about like that uh w where the the Daily Wire uh thing, but I you know, media comes from a lot of different places now. Uh we you know we you don't know where you're gonna find your uh your your next entertainment. Right. And there's this show that

Uh I really like that show Rome. Did did you see Rome? No, I never saw it. Okay. I loved Rome. It was uh I watched the first episode and I thought it was flat. I love it.'Cause it told the story of ancient Rome through, you know uh through Shakespeare and through history. Plato and you know, all these uh kind of um ideas of ancient Rome, or Socrates, and all these ideas.

of ancient Rome and it then it told a very ground-level story from the perspective of like handmaidens and centurions and still has Mark Anthony. everything going on in it, but it tells a very, you know, soap opera like drama through it. And so there was this other show and it had been out like three seasons when I started watching it. And it did the exact same thing. Nobody had ever like nobody was talking about it. Nobody had ever heard about it. Most people don't even know about it.

It's the chosen. Do you know this show? What was that? It does the exact same thing but it does it with the gospels. And it's all about Christ. And it's like a low budget uh or it was low budget. crowdfunded story of Jesus and it just basically like Rome tells this historical tale and about Jesus and okay so I'm watching I'm I've seen every movie about Jesus ever made.

I've seen King of Kings of both versions. I've seen, you know, uh the Zephyrelli film. I've seen Last Temptation of Christ. I've seen uh The Passion of the Christ. I've seen all of them. I've seen the Jeremy Sisto uh Jesus uh movie. I've seen everything. I worked with Paul Verhoeven on his Jesus uh film that was unproduced. And so I like I've had a lot of experience in it and I never really got it, to be perfectly honest. I never really

understood the story. This show, I started watching it and I was like, Okay, I've got a chip on my shoulder, ooh, let's see and it's really cheap. It's like rocks are made out of styrofoam. They can't afford a uh you know house and so they just use blankets and a gourd hanging and so it's like it's really, really inexpensive and the the script is even a little bit contemporary and which almost becomes like a joke as you're watching it. It's kind of funny. But lo and behold

I'm watching it and there came a moment by about episode three where it was like ding. I get it. Like Jesus is kind of punk rock. He's he's basically saying there are no rules to anything, like You know, you can commit miracles on the Sabbath. You know, th there are no rules. Anybody is left. All you need to be is wanting of salvation. And it was like a third eye opened up to me and this show is fantastic and it breaks all the rules. It's outside of the Pharisees of Hollywood.

You know, they uh um one guy, this guy, Dallas Jenkins, who's absolutely my favorite uh modern filmmaker right now. I think this guy's brilliant. He's directed every single episode. of this show and they've got like seven seasons out and you can watch it for free. It's on what? On anything. Like if you have an Apple T V, you can just look up their the chosen app.

And boop, up comes the uh the chosen app and watch it on YouTube or you can watch it I think Netflix eventually I think it was Netflix eventually bought it and now they're showing it. Basically you can see it anywhere. They give it away the way the Gideons give away the Bible.

And um and you know I thought it was fantastic and then season two came around and suddenly they had all this money and they're doing all these like uh You know, they've got this ancient Judea set with cobblestone streets and you know, like this detailed set and r Roman colonnades and stuff like that. And I was like, wow, like they really got a big budget. And then I looked it up and I was like, oh no, they're using the Mormons have all these standing sets for their biblical productions in Utah.

And they're incredible. These sets are unbelievable. If I had known it's like Chinichita in Utah. It's uh it's it's absolutely fantastic. And um and the characters are like they only have money for like three Romans costumes, probably. And so they're kind of like making do with what they have, but they've got this guy playing the legate there who is hilarious he's an i in the first season. He is absolutely hilarious. And the show is great. And then

Like proper television, you're watching it and you're starting to love these characters and you're starting to like it's and it's i you know what it is? The bread and butter of Hollywood is revenge and wrath. Like that's what makes that's the the fuel that that pushes most Hollywood movies. It is much more difficult and and requires much more maturity to make a movie about forgiveness. And this kid Dallas Jenkins I call him a kid, but he's not a kid. That's an insult. He's uh he's

super great. He um uh he is making every single episode is a s effectively because it's the gospels about forgiveness. And he has done this magnificent Unbelievable achievement. And the show is huge now. They've got like seven seasons. They built a studio, you know, like outside of Dallas Fort Worth.

Salvation Army property that they've built the the sound stages and everything. And it is um I th and and like and that's like you can get it anywhere, you can watch it anywhere, and they're making programming that should have been on HBO, it should have been produced by HBO the way Rome was.

And instead it's just it's coming out of the ether. And it's almost like with the inattention given to, you know, uh m most modern Or uh or rather the the way that people are making things, th w that they're focused on wrath and revenge.

This other thing like the Pendragon cycle and the chosen have kind of risen out of out of the vacuum that those other that the studios have and broadcasters have kind of created because they're not no longer making that kind of And so I think this is actually one of the most exciting times in media and television. Yeah, I definitely think it's a very unusual time where the normal people that are producing things don't have a complete monopoly.

on what people see. And that many of the times these alternative things have gotten much larger than the main I am I find it like almost impossible to get a movie going. Like I'm uh you know, I'm like an independent filmmaker. I go out there and I usually I work on a script and then I figure out the budgets and I figure out the da da da da da and I go out and I hit the pavement and it's like really hard par probably because I'm a flat earther.

Kidding. I am not a flat earther. I just like to provoke people. But um uh, you know, I go out there and I try to get this stuff made and it's like almost impossible. And then I built a technology company over the last year. And uh uh basically making AI movies. And all of a sudden, boom, like that, money gets thrown at it. And all of a sudden, just by attaching the word AI and that it's a technology based company, all of a sudden investors

you know, came in and we're in production on three films now. AI not right now. Three I know, that's the crazy thing, is that it was so easy for me to get that going and so difficult for me to get a traditional movie going through the traditional route, like going to, you know, A twenty five.

blah blah, trying to like, you know, hit the pavement. Oh, I have to go to Europe to gather together financing and everything like that. No, just put AI in front of it and all of a sudden you're in production on three features. And we're making a Christmas movie that a family Christmas movie that'll be in theaters this uh this holiday season. We're making a faith based film for next Easter.

And then we're making a kind of big romantic war epic. And like as classical movies, and we have like a proprietary stack of technology that we use for our process. And I partnered with this company Massive Studios. AI and uh formed my company, which is uh General Cinema Dynamics, and I'm based here in Texas now and uh or my company is, and I'm slowly transitioning. Nice. And it's like it's actually kind of, I think, you know

So many people are against AI like Guillermo and you know love him, but he's like, fuck AI, fuck AI. But it all it is is visual effects. And I have experience like with that Beowulf movie doing it, and what used to be a million dollars a minute is now five thousand dollars. And so to do it really really well. Kind of amazing. And so I think for independent cinema and for the future of film and television production, these are super exciting times.

All right, Roger, we just burned through three hours plus. All right, so what I pulled up is this. This is NASA, right? This is explain right now. So this is a far TV. They're pulling in multiple feeds. There's three different boxes at the bottom, as you can see this one here in the middle says offline.

So as I w showed you also, I pulled up the NASA feed, which is this, says it's offline. When that is offline, this channel adds a 3D model showing where the satellite currently is so that you can still follow along. Thirty minutes ago it wasn't offline and it was showing a different feed and I wish I could have shown to you then. Got it. There is a flat Earth YouTube or uh Reddit account asking this exact thing. What is that? And the people on the flat earth

Yeah, those cra the crazies. The crazies have come out to uh Mhm. Okay. Well I'm glad we put that to So it just says the video description switch to a simulation with the ISS above the earth when the connection is lost. AK office I was gonna point that out'cause you can see the stars in there and

I'm glad we can be comforted by at least one thing that is secure and stable in our understanding of reality. Roger, that was very fun though. Thank you very much. Let's do this. Really a pleasure. It was a lot of it was a good time. Really super pleasure.