#2449 - Raul Bilecky

Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! The Joe Rogan experience. Oh very nice to meet you brother. It's so good to meet you. I have enjoyed your content tremendously online. And uh I really got into a video this morning that I was watching where you found this megalithic site that was undocumented in Peru. incredible that they still have these ancient sites. that for whatever reason it seems like

the um the money that they get gets stolen? Like the money that is supposed to be allocated towards documenting these things and registering these things, people just say, Fuck it, I'm gonna pocket it and It happens a lot more than you you think. It's just hard to believe, man. Uh some of the stuff that you document is very heartbreaking. Like uh one of them was when you flew a drone over these ancient ruins and you showed the amount of places that have been looted. And it's just all of it.

It's just po you see these holes and when I first saw the I'm like, What is what is he showing me? And then you're like, These are all spots where someone has dug in and looted and most of it has been done In this area of Peru over the last twenty years. So from two thousand six to twenty twenty six, more I I I would have the biggest amount of looting happened. It's actually died down some uh but the end of the twenty so nineteen eighties to twenty And you can tell from the trail.

Cigarettes that were only produced in the eighties or you know, soda bottles that were only produced in the nineties. How nice of them to steal the artifacts and leave trash. They've become landfills of of human remains. It's uh th this place you're talking about is I mean it's eight It looks like the moon every single location has been looted and I was like I gotta go up up there.

So looting, what are they at at that point in time? I mean, these are hundreds, thousands of years old these sites. So what are they finding? Well, a lot of the mummies that I've'cause I've I found mummies that have been torn torn apart literally, like they're the cotton that they're wrapped in, the textiles that they're wrapped in, I mean they Scavenged. Are they looking for jewels?

The unfortunate thing is I mean all all you'll see is you'll just see these these bones littered across the landscape with broken pieces of pottery and That was also disturbing, how much bones you see everywhere. This is uh it looked you see a bone right there. These are all human bones that you just find scattered. That's all cotton and what we're about to see here is an actual mummy that's been torn apart. This is it's so sad that there's no protection.

Nobody's going out there, man. Nobody. Except for the looters. But I know very little about Peru other than, you know, obviously the Nazca lines, the mummies, all these different things, the the mystery of the place. Pee pe peep show on that, please. Oh it's over. Um but there's uh there's a couple burial burial drone shots you're but it's just

How big is Peru? I don't even know geographically how large it is. I mean Peru Peru Peru is huge. I mean it takes up uh this is another this is a di a different looted site So this is all this all of this is in the Parakas Nazca ecoregion. So th the looters will oftentimes leave I don't know, set them up in this fashion. I there there isn't a site I've gone to where I haven't seen something like set up like this in in the

But so I I I pull out to show the scale of it. I mean every little piece of white you see is a is some part of a human. It's tragic, man. Just so much history lost. Mm-hmm. And so does this stuff wind up in private collections? Is do museums ever get it? Like what what happens to that stuff? Private. private buyers. I actually met a well the term is Waquero. It's a grave robber. I actually met one in

Mira Flores in in Lima proper at one of the Artesanales where they're selling, you know, a ancient goods. Well some of them have real things that they they go out and they loot and I mean that This is one of the things I've been thinking about like for for the future, like what what can be done about this, because the government nobody from the government's going out there. And so these things end up in private collections, textiles, humans.

Pottery, things that you would see in museums. It's just nobody from that official administration is taking the trip to go out. It seems like just the ancient civilization of Peru is a massive mystery. It it seems like there are a lot of uncovered stories.

in that area. And it doesn't seem like there's an incredible amount of research being done other than by independent people. They I mean so I mean you throw a stone and you're finding an Yeah, I mean they're they're doing whenever they do construction they end up coming across structures or bones. I mean I this last expedition I I went all over the country and there is no lack of archaeological sites. So th the money and

I just i the money it would take to fund research on all these places is just extreme. It it's extreme. Um I think there's a lot of history that that goes missed uh because because of what's currently happening, but a lot of times A lot of the research is focused on what's going to bring tourism. Right. Things along those lines. Which is also insane. But phenomenal.

What why? How? Why'd you build it up here? Fucking nuts. Of a good friend of mine just actually went, just recently took his family up to Machu Picchu and he's like, it doesn't even make any sense, man. Dude, Machu Picchu is what started So my family's from Peru and so I would grow up going there and and I have this old back when you were filming with cameras with like a a videotape. Um

There's footage of me finding seashells at Machu Picchu when I was like when I was like ten years old. Back then you you could go wherever you wanted. You didn't have to stay on a path and so And for people that don't know, Machu Beach is like what, twelve thousand feet above sea level? Yeah.

And so and so I'm I'm a kid and I mean I still have the footage the grainy footage and I'm showing my dad on the camera, I'm like, Dad, Dad, look, I found seashells. You know, I saw them in in inside of uh they were like glinting in the mud in the wall and so I I took'em out. And that's what started this whole process for me. I was just like that it blew my mind that there were seashells way up there.

So I studied about earth cataclysms and ancient history and and when sea levels were different and that just that's that is a moment that started kind of this whole path for me. How old were you at the time? Ten or twelve. Wow. Um so how many times have you been there since?

Well, growing up we used to go every year and a half or so and that's continued into my adulthood. It's only been recently, the past two years that I've been doing what I'm what I've been doing, which is like hardcore solo uh expedition. This episode of the Joe Rogan Experience is brought to you by NBCN Peacock. America is sending one of their strongest Winter Olympic teams ever to Milan. Don't miss Team USA in action at the Winter Olympics.

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1530, I think. And so mo most of that megalithic architecture they attribute to the Inca. However, there's evidence that there's a site, uh Jamie, if you could pull it up, it's called Vinyake. This this place is There's megalithic architecture with precision that goes down fifty feet under under this mountain. It's it check this out. Whoa. Yeah.

This is crazy. So I believe they filled in the top to uh in modern times, but they've mortar at the top. And very soon there's gonna be a guy who shows us a map. It's incredible. Wow. And so you see very different construction from the bottom to the top. But that's how it always is, right? The most complex stuff So that's that's showing that this architecture here, it goes down fifty feet. into this mountain. And what do they think this was?

So this complex is all attributed to the Wari. It's attributed to the culture that came right before the Inca, which doesn't make much sense to me because what you see on the surface, that's Wari construction. They which is small stones. Right. And what are what are they held together with? Uh mud mortar. Mud as mortar. And uh but then so this site has only been four percent excavated. Four percent. It's underneath all of it is that type

Which is crazy. So you have mud and mortar with very small stones, then underneath it you have precision cut metal megalithic stones. Yeah. And how big are these stones and where are they supposedly coming from? Uh that so y here's a funny story. Um so this place If you look you can you can find it on on Google Maps it's uh you know, they call it the el complejo de Wari, so the Wari complex.

But if you go back to the Spanish chronicles, um Pedro Cieza de Leon when he was in Tiwanaco, so Tiwanaco where Pumapunku is in Bolivia, when they ask the natives, you know, who built this, they say we don't know, it was built before us from the people from the lake. The same people who built Vignaque. That's what the natives said. That place vinyake is

800 a thousand kilometers from Tiwanako. So and it's the same construction. So it would it makes sense kind of what they're saying. The people who built Tiwanako also built this. But before they know before they knew that They didn't witness it. They was just there when they got there, is what the locals said. Well that's a lot of stuff, right? That's part of the weirdness of South America. Yeah. And you know, even Mexico, right? Yeah. It's that's the the weirdness of the A Aztec structure.

I didn't know that until pretty recently. that the Aztecs labeled like uh Tinochitlan the place where the gods were born. I didn't know that. Yeah. Like they they don't attribute that to themselves. They they found When we cleared the area.

Still to this day, you know, I I I was up in Lake Titicaca, and I mean there's structures all over the place, but you're like, where were these people living? And Y'cause there's no remnants of cities or towns and the reason is is because in modern times people have recommissioned the blocks and started and used them for their farms and their homes and things like that.

You have a good location, uh a place of reverence, a place you're gonna build the next the next culture's going to build on it, you know, and I think that's happening. Yeah. Well, everywhere, right? I mean that's Lebanon too. That's Baalbeck. It's it seems to be the case that those Those immense stones where the Romans built on top of them. The Roman documentation uh is pretty precise. They documented everything. They never talked about these enormous thousand ton stones that are

They didn't even talk about them. They talked about the the these beautiful. Structures that are on top of that are clearly Roman, but the stuff underneath it p just just defies logic. And some of the stones that were never moved and put into place that were cut and quarried but just never moved. Sixteen hundred tons? Like w how and things you can't replicate, you know, nowadays. That's what's crazy. Like with modern machinery, we can't do it. I mean it's I've always

Fingerprints of the gods was one of the first books I picked up as a kid. My dad had it in his library and uh and and and that just that set me off on a on a course and uh The the inability to be able to to I I I don't know. I don't I don't buy the mainstream uh i it it feels l a little bit l lazy the the responses that that the mainstream kinda gives to some of this stuff. It's purposely ignorant.

It's more than lazy. Because th i if it was just lazy the I mean, they've been confronted by all this other alternative archaeology evidence and all these other people that have like explored these things and shown And that there was always the conventional wisdom that there was no society back then that was capable of doing this, so they had to attribute it to more recent societies. Then you're like, Okay, you guys need to shut the fuck up. I mean...

There's a power in admitting like you're if we're looking for the truth here then it's like, okay, we got this evidence that disrupts this that we thought before. All right, just say that. Right. You know what I mean? Like just say it. It it it's it's fascinating that they can't. You know, because They are like every other form of academia. They're they are just like I mean it you might as well be talking to a gender studies teacher. Just like they don't wanna look at reality. They just did just

want their narrative and they want to be the gatekeepers of information and then they just want to push that narrative forward. And they're so mean. Dude it I only started recently uh being on X within the past year and I'm j just like the cattiness of it all, man, is Well it just exposes them. It exposes their personality.

And they're just not the type of people that I wanna talk to about anything. Especially not you're not the gay peop if you're a forty one year old person, you're not the gatekeeper of ancient history. You can't be. There's too much. Yeah. There's too much all over the world. It doesn't make sense. None of it makes sense. And that's I think why they're so terrified of people like Felipe Bionde.

And the the scans underneath the pyramids. Because if he's right, and it appears he is, over two hundred different independent scans. And they all say the exact same. If he's right, you guys are fucked. Because you have to you're gonna eventually have to say, We're wrong. It's it's i you you ha you have a a moment here where you can choose right which which direction to go. Pretty soon that moment's gonna be lost. Uh

But it it's like th this is what the evidence is presented and like you said, it verified over two hundred different studies. It's like all right, we might be wrong. Right. They're still digging their heels in and they're just discrediting themselves, which is fascinating.

It's really interesting. It's really interesting to watch these assholes just like flounder. Well and and it it makes me think, you know, w what's the reason behind it? Is it pride? Is it ego? It's be is it because you wrote some books? on it that you need to keep selling, is it because it's in textbooks that universities use? I mean it there's there's a lot of layers to it. It's all the above but you can tell just by the way they communicate online a lot.

Yeah. Yeah. A lot of it is ego and just really bad personality. You know, these people that are accustomed to never being questioned, accustomed to being in the hierarchy of academia. where you know, you have these tenured professors and then they have the people that are coming up under them and they all follow the same sort of rigid structure. And so any heterodox thinkers, anybody who comes in from outside the box

Just gets shit all over. Yeah, th i i in there's no open mindedness. I know I I don't know if this is like a parable or something, but uh you know, th I don't know, some story where there's there's a truck going into a tunnel and it gets stuck and backing up traffic and nobody can get through. Everybody's trying to figure out what the hell how to get this truck through. And just you know, some some farmer walks up and he's just like, take the air out.

and and problem solved. And so the inability to let other people come in with with thoughts and opinions, it just it really uh I think it's it's a real detriment to to to the study of these things. In my approach to s some of the places I've gone, I I think it is that yes, we have research, yes there is a level of understanding at a lot of these places what happened, but it's also that Going into it with a fresh set of eyes.

You know, sometimes I mean I get so locked in my work, sometimes I can't see outside of it. You know, sometimes it takes another party to come in and then all of a sudden your mind is blown in a compl completely different direction. Yeah. I don't see that level of openness to The side of a lot of a lot of the main things.

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Minimum odds required. For additional terms and responsible gaming resources, see dkng.co/slash audio. Limited time offer. Well, people have to really understand that the whole concept of mainstream academia is only a few And that's what's weird. It's like so these very recent structures, these very recent establishments want to be the gatekeepers of information of a vast swath of the world. I mean, I'm not sure. It's not possible that you know everything.

You know a lot. They know a lot about things they have discovered. They do. They know a lot about Mesopotamia. They know a lot about Iraq. All the the the amazing stuff that they find. There's some stuff they they've very accurately dated. But it doesn't It doesn't explain things that you can explain.

And they want to try to just fit it into the That's what's goofy. Yeah, that's I mean look, if the puzzle piece doesn't fit, stop trying to force it. Well it's also it's like more gigantic, spectacular pieces and you're like, Well, those aren't important I mean um Ben Van Kirkwick with uh this most recent discoveries where they're using the ground penetrating radar to find the labyrinths and this

forty meter long metallic object that's inside of an atrium down there? Like what is that thing? Yeah, I I have my I hope it's something uh My my if if whate if they go looking and I hope they do, and this is the other thing, it's like let's let's start putting money toward towards this like now. You know. Like figure this out. Um I don't know why I thought this I I think it might be a meteor.

If if it's some sort of like m metallic thing. Forty meter long meter. That's a fucking civilization ender. But and imagine the next civilization coming across that thing and hearing the stories. It's like shit, let's worship this th or like let's revere it somehow and put it in an atrium. Well like that's my thought. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Like there's a forty meters. Yeah, there's a meteorite at Mecca that they all go to touch.

Which is kind of crazy, right? But completely makes sense, right? Something comes from the sky, it lands, causes chaos and then you worship. I mean that uh also wasn't one of like King King Tut's knives was made out of a meteorite or something like that. I mean so they were finding these things. Yeah. Forty meter one is pretty big though. I know. That's the uh that's the other thing.

So uh when it com I'm just like let's let's go. Let's go. Well you know that's part of the Bob Lazar lore. I I remember. Bob Lazar said that when he was told that at least one of these things came from an archaeological dick. Like what? What what? What he what do you mean?'Cause like that's what they were telling me, I don't know. But they told me that one of them was from an archaeological dig.

Dude and and his accuracy with some with the element one eighteen one fifteen, something like that. From nineteen eighty nine. Yeah. When element one fifteen wasn't even discovered until the two thousands. I mean That's why when when he's I I f forget who I s I was talking to outside, but we were talking about I think it was talking to Jamie about that, about uh Bob's Bob Lazar talking about w some of these things coming from an arch archaeological sites. Yeah.

Let's go find it. Well that's where it gets really weird. Where it gets really weird is these mummies. Oh we're gonna go into the mummies. Uh Eric Burleson, uh representative talking about asked the White House to give D O D the power to let them go see this stuff, including that b uh Reportedly an object that is not in this country that is so large it cannot be made. uh that they've built an entire building around it. And I think that I think uh either Greer or

Another individual has actually mentioned this site, but I'm not gonna mention it because it is a classified location. But there is a a l a really apparent there's reported a really large Object and and that's one of the locations that I've I'm requesting to to get to. It's gonna involve a lot to get to make that happen.

'Cause that's all I would care about. The economy would be in shambles. I'd be like, Show me the UFOs. Do you think do you think they'd do it?'Cause I'cause I've heard that like the uh I mean it's on o on that need to know basis where they're keeping stuff from presidents, you know. Kennedy got too close. I don't think that's what they killed Kennedy for, but I think there's a bunch of things. But

There's a whole lot of layers. Yeah, but th the UFO people love to think that it's UFOs is why they killed Kennedy. But they think everything's UFOs. But it it's it it definitely seems like I don't know about the evidence. You know, because it's just stories. And that's the problem, is that a lot of this stuff, and this is how I feel when a lot of people come on the podcast.

to me, you know, supposed whistleblowers. Some of them I think are legitimate and some of them I think are disinformation specialists. I think they're designed to muddy up the water and this is the they're what you know what they're saying is designed to muddy up the water and that's what they're trying to do.

They're trying to make a lot of the stuff look silly and and push certain narratives and just create confusion. And I think A lot of it is probably some b black budget, weird science stuff that we have.

But then it begs the question, where'd you get that? Where is is that really like the Diana Pasulka work where she's talking about there essentially these things are donations and that we're supposed to like take these things and try to figure it out and then you look at some of the creation of some different inventions that happened very quickly after Roswell. I mean our our our civilization just I mean, just been on a boom.

Yeah, weird stuff. Like the fiber optic stuff and transistors, the the just the the the history of the cre creation of the transistor and the people that were involved in it. Seems awful fucking fish. I mean I I try to stick with what I evidence that I can make out tangibly and it just gets so murky like like you said, it just it just all just gets so murky that I I don't I don't know how the truth would

even land, you know. Well the truth would have to land if there was an overall comprehensive effort by all of the world governments. And there would have to be some sort of unity in this and some some sort of like an a a recognition that this is really important for the entire human population to understand our path.

And if this is nonsense, let's find out that it's nonsense. And if this is real, this changes everything. And when you look at just just look at It's not outside of the realm of possibility that this stuff either came from somewhere else or was here because they were here, that there was an advanced civilization here. Whether it's our civilization or whatever the hell those mummies are. The tridactyl mummies are weak.

We we could talk about that'cause I went uh I I I did a deep dive with my friend Will and from there there is There is too much amuck going on with these things for me to for me uh to objectively say uh that they are what people are claiming them to be. There there's just there's too much wrong.

Right. Well first of all, a lot of them are fake. Yeah. For sure. Oh yeah. A lot of them people have seemingly created with a bunch of different animal bones and human bones. And human bones. And pieced them together. But then there's the weird one. You know, there's the weird ones that are mummified and they're in the fetal position and you see a structure that doesn't exist in the human body but it's complete with tendons and ligaments and some of them have eggs inside of them.

Joe, I'm telling you, man, I look I want to believe Do you think it's bullshit? I think it is much closer to bullshit than it is. All of them? I think what we're dealing with here are Real human beings from the past. They are ancient. Uh that have been put together. Wil Will from Incredible History has done some amazing work with some amazing specialists. I mean people at the top.

looking at the x-rays and the dicon files and calling out um calling out cuts, calling out incisions that were made, calling out why things don't make sense. And For me, the reason I put out my last video on the Nazca mummies is because there's this whole other narrative too of where the money is, who's making money off of these things. And and I think that Is there money being made off those little mummies?

I was gonna Please. You got something? Yeah. So I remember uh I forget who you were talking to. It might have been uh Jesse Michaels, but I remember you saying You know, if th th these are one of the greatest art projects if they were fake. Right. Well if you just scroll to the right here, this is what the goofy one. Yeah, but that's what the Waquetto is selling. He sent that to me personally, the the guy selling these things. These goofy asses.

At home. You can't see it? There there's a folder on there that has the pictures uh in the photos. But what is the one that is uh the female that's in the Maria. Is that what they're called? Yeah. Uh Maria is one of them. I mean, so Will had on um Doctor William Morrison and uh Doctor Proctor, Doctor Wilson. I mean like people in the in the in the top of their um

In the top of their field analyzing these things and this is this looks fake as fuck. Yeah, yeah, everybody. You can get this for fifteen thousand dollars. This is come this comes directly from the Joaquet Yeah. I I w I did it like a little undercover thing. Uh Trying to see what I could lure out of him. Um is this is not particularly compelling to me.

Um but it's in the same it's in the same class coming from the same place, supposedly the same group of people are providing these things to the um Yeah, this this is in this is in the Ica Museum. This is where they're happy. So these are like again, these are not that compelling to me. The small ones no. The big one so the big ones though are um

Gosh, they ha they they keep coming out with new specimens. There's a new one, Antonio, who's a teenage boy, except for his feet. His feet are ha have arthritis in them. And and i which indicates that they put the f Now what what these doctors have done look and and here's the thing, I mean I wanna I wanna be clear, I would love nothing more than Peru to be the hot spot of of of some new species. I I don't think we're alone. I don't think we've identified every species. But also I'm not

I'm not putting my money on these things coming out as uh authentic. I think they have been used with authentic bones, which is why they're getting the dates. Um I think that Dude, I I I d I did a deep dive on this. Please go no, feel free. Tell me. Tell me what you found out. I initially wasn't gonna make the video I did, but after spending

days staying up doing this research. I just I I I I couldn't not do it. Um And I found my like I've even watched the whole Gaia series on this stuff and and I found myself getting entranced by the like maybe, maybe and then right and then also watching the whole reason of of putting this stuff out there is like, look, make your own decision. But don't just take in the fantasy. Take in the the other possibilities.

And and just have all the information before you make your decision. Well clearly we know some of them are Clearly, clearly. You know, even people like me who want so desperately to believe the corresponding artwork from the past, the three toed, three fingered artwork, which is weird. That is w that is weird. And I saw some of those geo geoglyphs down there in the middle of nowhere, you know, these th and so um and then the whole thing with, you know, the

uh with James Fox and the the the Brazil incident. Yeah. Uh the the the three fingered thing is a weird thing in history. Um With these bones I mean I I'm gonna have to point to just some of some of the videos that that these specialists have come out l analyzing the the files. So but where the where the money is is exactly what's happening now. It it's it's We have this possibility. We're gonna make a show about it. We're gonna put out this new thing. We're gonna he it goes it goes deep, Joe.

Currently, the Nazca mummies have been on the same team for the past twenty years verifying other species and specimens that they've Alien hybrids and say the same pe literally I my whole video, I'm just like, mm-hmm. This is what he said in twenty two thousand seven.

This is what he said about this fake thing in twenty twelve. This is what he said about the fake thing in twenty seventeen. And I put it back to back so you it's the same narrative. Same people. It's the same people, the same narrative. And so you think that the construction has just gotten more sophisticated? One hundred percent. One hundred per they learn. What is that the the major one? Maria and and uh Montserrat.

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the the x-rays of of his feet mm and uh pointing out that's that's on the spreadsheet. Well let's see that. I'd like to see that. So do you think that these are recent creations of old bones? Is that what it is? Okay. And how do you think they did it? D is there any speculation? I think that so there uh So here's the What's that, Jimmy? Oh. How did you think they did it? How do you think they did it? Well, I think that they uh I think they've gotten very good with uh taxidermy.

Mm. Right. In fact, in in the research I did, there was this dude, there was this demon fairy thing in twenty seventeen uh If if you want to pull up my videos, let's start with this. Let's start with this. We'll get to the demon fairy thing too. This shit is wild. So Metatar.

Okay. Um this is a from a surface scan that was available and I went in and just kind of removed some of the fuzziness so that I could highlight the bones. And one of the things again that you notice is that the joints have a lot of spacing between them. These are not joints that are in contact, so they're dislocated. Um now the main the main part here I this the central area where the cuneiforms are in the cuboid, those articulate with five metatarsals normally.

Um the way the the way these are lettered, A would go with the big toe and E would go with the little toe. And uh again, just like in Maria, those are missing. but the joints are not lined up properly. Um the the shapes of the joints don't don't go with

the uh matching uh bone on the cineiforms of the cuboid. Um that's exactly what I was seeing in C T. So none of the articulations of the at the metotarsal junction really made any sense and some of the bones didn't even meet an articular surface at all. So that jumped out to me immediately because then my first um question goes to how would that even be a functional foot? So Montserrat, that's so that's Why does Montserrat have tendons?

Keep it going a little bit. Um,'cause people were talking about there still being tendons and stuff intact. And I would agree that some of those metatarsals are, as Dr. Proctor pointed out, in the correct position, but then some are just missing. So if you wanted to elevate the illusion

one of the ways you could do that would be by performing a raise resection. And essentially that's a function conserving surgery where if you've had damage to your metacarpals or your metatarsals, they'll remove that metacarpal or metatarsal. and kind of rearrange your fingers or your toes and the remaining metacarpals to keep your limb functioning.

So her feet, Montserrat's feet were just a little bit different, where I think they might have used more um complex procedure like that, versus Maria, where her feet just looked more like um arts and crafts to my eye. So and that's the so Maria came up with the U.S. Are are hoaxes. Mm-hmm. There is also, if we're just going with that angle, there's a clear evolution.

of the work that goes into them behind the scenes. Like that one came out after the first one. The first one got called out on a whole bunch of things. All of a sudden the next iteration doesn't have the same Issues. Oh right. They're correcting. Yeah. And so and that and that's actually uh

I forget there was there's an archaeologist on X. He said that's very common in in the world of fake antiquities. Like they learn once they get called out on something, they'll figure out how to make the pottery better or something. Is there a lot of money in this stuff? Yeah. I mean apparently uh where's the money coming from? How does it

For me it's it's not even in the in the it's not in the sale. Uh the the most money coming from this is not in the sale of these things. It's in the shows that come from to get to the next season where they're going to tell finally reveal the truth about there's a lot of be money being made in the background with and and that's part of the deep dive I went on, like following the money. So who do you think is making them? Do you have a theory? Uh I believe that uh There's actually uh

It was in it was in my video and one of Will's videos. There was a a grave robber, a whistleblower grave ro robber who was part of this team. And he shares how um He was getting stuff for Mario, like the main guy. I there's gotta be a team of specialists working on this stuff and I mean money went into m money went into making these things'cause money's gonna come from it. I mean that's it seems like a lot of money though. Yeah. But w y you would think that that would kind of fall apart.

I would. I would think it it is falling apart. But it is under scans, but I w I I would say like someone would rat somebody out. Like these are unscrupulous people. Part of the reason I also decided to make this video and and a lot of the pushback on this stuff is like, Oh, you don't you don't trust

you know, uh Latin American doctors or anything no, it's it's it's not that. It's the Latin American doctors from Peru and and Journalists from pr they're afraid to talk about this stuff because th things can get violent down there surrounding this topic.

The Eco Mafia. Yeah, there's a mafia. The Eco Mafia. And in fact the guy Mafia. The guy Mario who um Warned about the existence of a mafia dedicated to the trade with links throughout Southern America and Europe, and at the time is 18 million dollars a year in stolen archives. So this is all going to like wealthy people in other countries that want to have these artifacts in their homes? Yeah. I've seen the text messages with some of the American buyers. Really?

So these guys are just like come on into my den and show you a mummy. The this what I'm talking about specifically was um tapestries and and it was actually the guy I met in Artesanales in Miraflora. And and he showed me video. He was very open with me. He showed me videos of uh because the bow the buyers wanna see Provenance. The buyers wanna see them pulling the the artifacts out of the ground and then they

Well no I mean London that sells this stuff. Mummy c crowdfunder leaves archaeologists fuming. So there's a guy in London that's selling this stuff. Huh cabinet dedicated to dead people. And they were trying to get a mummy from Peru. Wow. So it's um What do you think is going on with the skulls? The elongated skulls. Uh if you uh uh Jamie, I have uh um I think that Oh yeah. That's one of three I've come across. Now

Supposedly there's a difference in the way the the skull, you know, when you're a child, what is it called? Sag the sagittal the sutures. Yeah. Yeah. I found some uh without the I d I've I Every elongated skull that I've c the three I've come across all had the sagittal all had that suit. Like a normal human does. Like a normal human. So these would be from pressing boards on the child's head when they're in development. Yeah. Binding. But then the question is why would you do that? And

Uh I mean I er err on the side of you don't just come up with that. You're trying to imitate something. Right. You know, and so that that's um and then you see it in Egypt and the hieroglyphs and stuff. So I I I do think like there is You know We've we've labeled things other species with just a bone fragment. You know, I'm like there there's there's deserts of these things and and I think that if the right study went to them, y you might have a separate.

If if you put the money towards studying this stuff, because it it's all Right, like a separate branch of the human species? Possibly M. Right, which makes sense. I mean they're finding separate branches all the time. All the time. The Denisovans You know, all the all these different ones that they've found within the last twenty years.

And there could be something with a larger head, an elongated head. And that's the um I d I don't know enough about osteo whatever to go in depth about it, but it I mean either you had whole cultures just d doing this or there's there's too many of them for it to have just been kind of some elitist practice. I think why would you want to do that to your kids' head? Yeah. When clearly it's probably not been done to your head, uh at least the first people. Like what were you trying to imitate?

There is some I think Will told me this. There's there's some woman who who did this practice on herself, like actually trepanated her own head to uh Yeah. Well, we've talked about trapanation. When we had that woman on did it to herself. Okay, well wait, so you had her on? Yeah, well a woman who did what was her name again? The psychedelic lady. She's I believe she passed, didn't she? Recently? Really fascinating woman. Amanda Fielding. She d she died recently, right? Yeah. So uh

She but she did self trepanation. She did self trepanation. Uh but that's not elongation of the skull. No, but if th there's an idea that What that trepidation might have done. I in in the ancient days they did it like to release the evil spirit. psychosis or something like that. Uh but and I forget if it was uh Amanda.

Something happens in in in with your brain waves when like the brain is exposed or something like there's some sort of I I don't know. Uh How the fuck do you find that out without doing it? But if their skull is elongated, I don't know if it gives extra space to uh kind of like a DMT experience, you're open to more things. And so an idea an idea is that if you elongated it and had that extra f space in the skull for the brain to have more

Uh maybe it affects your brain chemistry. I don't know. Just pure speculation. But one one of the things about some of these skulls they found is that the volume is larger than a h than a human brain. So how would you do that just by stretching it out with boards? I mean it would seem like you have the same volume, you're just changing the shape of it, right?

And there have there been no studies on these weird ones, the ones that don't have those sagittal lines that that correspond with human base. That's the problem. What are we looking at? Are we looking at an animal head that they've kind of like shoved onto like human features and glued things together? Oh with the with the mummies? With s I mean some of these skulls. Well it's I mean some of the like like the one you just saw, I mean they're they're there. Um

They're d they're just out in the desert. I don't know why funding hasn't been And you found them just sitting there. Yeah. And you just leave'em there? Yeah. Yeah. I put a pin on I mean eventually one day I would like to uh I don't know, ha form some sort of relationship with the Ministry of Culture.'Cause the thing is nobody's going out there and and I sp I specifically went to places this last expedition that I went the first year just to see what happened.

And those places were looted even more. The things I had found and come across and documented like an elongated skull wasn't there anymore. So these things are being taken and sold. Um, makes you wonder how much of it was there in the past. Dude I mean I don't like that eight kilometers of looting, it was all bones and textile. Pottery and I I mean just eight full kilometers and like a kilometer graveyard? Yeah. Yeah. Um

When I'm looking up trepanation, uh this elongated skull's coming up. Apparently this one is in Sometimes that that has been um that has been documented as as happening. Fucking it's a good thing. I don't know which one in particular had it, but they're saying it's got like metal Available, you know. What's that one in the lower left hand corner? That one looks crazy. Oh that's the chungo school. What's that? Okay, so that one's a little bit more.

It's very close to where I found the one I showed you from my footage. Okay, that skull looks nuts. So that doesn't look like a human skull at all. No. That one is Like look at the lines on that one. Fucking crazy. That doesn't seem like it has any of the normal lines that a human skull. The museum unfortunately is closed now so you can't go see it. I tried to. Well where is it? It was in Pura uh they uh the Ministry of Culture shut down that museum.

Oh, the collection of an excep exceptionally elongated skulls found in Paracas, particularly around the village of Chongos. near Pisco dating to around seven hundred B C E to two hundred C E his skulls exhibit severe artificial cranial deformation, practice used by elite paracas Culture members to signify status. Huh. That that is the the one we just saw in that in that museum is the largest one. But it's it's weirdly large. Can you find some more images of that one?

Oh, it's okay. We'll just see the w images of it. It might be hard for that one since the museum closed. Right, but there's images. Yeah. So That looks like it's a lot more volume than a human head. The one on the far left, w just or the one yeah, either one, the one below it. Like that just the image alone of that, how do you get a normal human head to be that large?

Without some sort of uh It looks like you stuffed a balloon into someone's eyeball and kept pumping it up you know while they're a baby. Like what what the hell is that? That's so much bigger than a normal human skull. And then you think if it you know, with the skullbinding practice, I mean, are you is there gonna be some form of mental difficulties with that human being now if it's a human being. Or or expanded capacity. Or expand yeah. Yeah. Because it's like

So the cranial capacity is twenty-five percent more than a normal skull. It weighs fifty percent or sixty percent more than a normal skull. Also the eye sockets are larger and the jaw is larger and more compact. God, that looks like a different kind of human. So there's I there are and when you go to these museums, there's all sorts of di there's What's that one up there? The one to the right of your cursor. What the fuck is that? Is that real? Whoa. Is that fake? I haven't seen that one before.

I mean it's I'm it taking me to Facebook al is already a big red flag. Yeah. I know Facebook is a hub of fake shit. Yeah, it's the same picture. So a lot of them are probably AI generated. But that one that's twenty five percent larger than a normal human skull. And larger eye so look the eye eye sockets are fucking huge. That's also weird. It's just like that's the problem with all this looting that's been going on for so many years.

It's like they r there might have been some evidence of a different kind of human that lived with these people. And I mean, imagine if we find out that that different kind of human was what populated that area. And they were the people that built Sakse Juaman and Because they Parakus isn't Parakus is the highest concentration of the ones that have been found.

But you find them up in the Cuzco region too. Um there's Th there's a v video I have uh I think I think it's ch Chisniri C H I S I N Can I ask you what what is the conventional explanation for the larger capacity of the skull and then the larger eyeballs, the eye sockets? conventional explanation other than you would have to explain that. Like if that's not something different Homo sapien human being like you or me, what is that? That's a different thing.

Right? You would think. Right. Like if you look at a Neanderthal skull and you look mine's pretty close to one. But if you look at a Neanderthal skull and uh a normal human skull, you can clearly see the Denisovans, you clearly see the difference. Homo Julians, you see the difference. That's different, man. Some of the stuff in their in their jaws and with like the set of teeth, there's differences. I mean, I haven't done a deep dive into it personally. Uh

But there there are a multitude of of differences that have been highlighted. And for people that are skeptical, one thing they have to recognize is that it's really hard to make a file. Fossils we d I mean, m most things that die and have died forever do not become fossils. They get consumed by the earth like a normal Yeah, that's why you don't find I mean yeah, yeah. are preserved because they're between at at most typically at most two thousandish years in in that

They're preserved so well because of the climate there, which is I mean, when you're going in these barrels you still see the hair of people. It hasn't disintegrated. Like it's it's there. Um Dude, I gotta have some creepy photos for you, man. Like I I don't know, you might want to put a disclaimer up before she's gonna go. Show'em. People know on this show you don't need a disclaimer. Size of reference to his hand.

It does. Unless he's got some giant ass basketball players. That's kind of the size of the one I I the one I showed you earlier. It was smaller than you would think. But a lot of the people there back then were very small, right? They didn't have access to a lot of protein. Like I went to Chichenitsa and uh m one of the weirder things is how small the people

How small the mine people I'm short already and the I was a giant compared to these people. It was really weird. It's ti typically the same uh This episode is brought to you by ARMRA. Every week there's some new wellness hack that people swear by, and after a while you start thinking. Why do we think we can just outsmart our body? That's why ARMRA colostrum caught my attention. It's something the body already recognizes and has hundreds of these.

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This is the stuff you see. I mean there's still skin on some of these things. Which is why Whoa, that's creepy. And how old is that? Probably uh I mean at this burial site based on the artifacts I was seeing it's Parakus or Nazca. So go back one Jeremy please. So what is that piece of cloth? Uh it's like it's braided at the bottom and then the the I didn't see a hole in the middle, so I don't think it was a s and it's too fancy for a sling, I think. Uh so I'm not I'm not a hundred percent sure.

Unless it's a fancy sling. Like some people. Fancy bows and arrows, fancy guns. True, true. Look at the hand. But so and what you see to the right of it is like what kind of looks like burlap is I mean that's what the mummies were wrapping. Stuffed with cotton or put in the fetal position, uh wrapped with textile, then cotton, then more textile and ropes and and that's some of the

The grave robbers had torn apart trying to find gold and jewels and things like that. And what's unfortunate is some of the oh some of the most beautiful pottery there too is just completely Whoa. Look at all those bones. This is you found this? Yeah. Um God, that's gotta be creepy just seeing all those dead people's bones and rope. It's it it it affects you, man. It it definitely And uh what's the time period of this? This this is um

This that that picture actually isn't isn't from NASCAR. That was another I have a video of this There's just so much weirdness about Peru. Just the Nasca lines alone. Like what were they doing? Why were you making artwork you can only see from the sky? That's crazy. Phe Oh look at the hair that's nuts. Normal size skull though.

Actually that one I I I I don't have the pictures in that folder, but I measured it. Uh it's it's it's incredibly bulbous. It's much more bulbous than a normal skull. So you're just getting a side view of it? It's d Yeah. And I put the tape measurer there next to it. That's crazy. You see the skin. Yeah, isn't it? The skin and the hair on the skull. Oh god, that's creepy. It's why, yeah. When I mean that And you think the grave robbers do this?

You know, there were some places where I found things set up like this with little candy, little modern candies. And what that is, is it's a tradition called pago la tierra, paying the land. Um and so Whoever left the candy I don't think was a grave robber, was probably a low and it was a w it's a way of giving back to the land, giving back to the ancestors. I started doing that with uh you know, if I had a soda bottle or something, you pour out some Coca Cola

pay the land for walking to for walking to it and documenting the stuff. It was a nice little practice, but um So the uh I would say that like two thousand ish years old just just to circle back, so some of these things This is all on the surface. I I don't go digging, that's not right it's not on me. Uh but the waqueros do. And that's where they're finding these things intact.

They're finding these things intact where you can put them into a C T scanner and it's gonna show the The whole insides and has any have any paleontologists done or archaeologists

br brought these skulls and br brought them for examination to try to find out if there's intact DNA that can be studied. They're supposed to be They're supposed to be doing DNA tests on six of the specimens. Uh but if you watch my video, uh You'll see each time they've done DNA tests on all the hoaxes that they've been a part of before, I imagine the results are going to be. Yeah, but I don't mean the hoaxes. I mean the elongated skulls with the large eye sockets, things along those lines.

The the bureaucracy of how to go about doing anything with the Ministry of Culture in Peru is So disjointed, you can't get things done. I know I know Brian Forrester for decades was trying to get some sort of official path to do DNA studies on these things and um So I mean I'm I'm hoping with the work that I'm doing with Pillars of the Past that that some of those boundaries can be broken where we can actually get permission to study these things because

It's the it's it's Peru's patrimony. You can't just go in there and so and and it costs money to do those things too. And you have to do it in in the above board way. And so it's kind of waiting Well it seems like at the very least, the most bizarre elongated skulls should be studied.

It shouldn't just be like, Oh, it's in a museum. Look at the head. Big, huh? Weird eyes. Let's move on. Look at this bowl. It's broken, but you know, pretty interesting. Let's move on. Like, no, what the fuck is going on with the money? Put some money, figure it out and 'Cause if it turns out that there was a totally different branch of the human species.

What's up? I don't know the accuracy of this. That's why I'm hesitant to even bring it up. But as you're asking about that, that video I pulled up is this guy said that they'd tested twelve That's Forster. And some of them came back as Native American. I'm trying to w I'm reading the the closed captioning, but some of them did not.

Some of them came back from the Black Sea area. The Caspian Sea Black Sea area from two to three thousand years ago. Which there have been skulls found out in those areas too. Wow.

as in the Caucasus Mountains. So that's very intriguing. Uh What I can also share with you is what I believe was the migrational pattern, because these people, like the some indigenous people of the Caspian area and Black Sea area, The uh ancestors of the Parakus decided to leave the area because they were being invaded by some And so they traveled south through Iraq and Iran to the Persian Gulf, and there they wound up sailing.

and eventually found their way to the coast of Peru. They're different Yeah. Well so that's the thing. With with theories like this, I'm like, let's put some effort to peer review this stuff. You know, like let's let's do the studies that are needed, uh have multiple universities test these things. come up with the standard set of results and then I mean So what is missing? Funding, interest? Peru seems like the least studied. Is that accurate?

Half halfway I would say, only because look, there there's a part of me that also feels for the Ministry of the of Culture in a way where There's so many that to have eyes everywhere, to protect it, to have teams excavating things ever I mean Isn't that alone kinda crazy how many sites there are in Peru? And the fact that also you have Saxe Juaman, you have the Nazca lines, you have all this weirdness. Aaron Powell You have the oldest stone pyramids in the Americas pyramids that

Predate the pyramids of Giza by thousand years. What do they look like? Uh if you look up uh Corral. Uh they are dude, I've done a whole thesis on this. Like I I I plan to write a I don't think I'll ever get a period. I plan to write a paper about my my theories on some of the stuff I found. So Corral was this area on the coast. It's uh C-A-R-A-L. These pyramids had uh Graham Hancock's been looking into this stuff too. Um this sunken circular plaza. So they're just this is a

These pr this predates Giza. Uh well, what we think is the date of Giza. The conventional dating. Right. So all right, let's s let's see if I can condense this. Okay. This site has, I don't know, eight of these pyramids. They're actually all throughout the valley and four valleys around.

The earliest one in a separate valley close to this dates back to four thousand B C E. It has the remnants of a sunken circul the main thing that's to keep note of is that sunken circular plaza because it's a feature that You not only see there and that those four valleys But you also see it two hundred kilometers north.

of Peru in what's the conventional explanation for these sunken circular plazas? Uh ri ritual uh ritual spaces, ca some people say collecting water, some people say the acoustics are different. Here's the interesting thing about it. This site was discovered in The nineteen forties? Well into that artwork. Nobody did anything about it. The the archaeolog this is what you'll f this is what happens in Peru. In the from the 1900s, early 1900s to nineteen forties.

Archaeologists and historians were going up and down the coast finding stuff. I mean, just finding stuff. And they would write it down, they'd put it on the map. That's why the Ministry of Culture has it on their archaeological database. They'd pick through it what they could, put stuff in museums, and just move on. That site, Corral, predated any s any ceramics. I mean this was a pre-ceramic culture, so there was no artifacts.

So they just they just moved on. It wasn't until doctor Ruth Shady and like The eighties and nineties. actually put research in and figured out, hey, this is older than everything else we found. Because they just overlooked it. There were no ar no artifacts. They were just like, We're gonna move on. When you say no artifacts, like that seems weird to me because like why would you make these immense structures and not have a bowl to put rice in? Right.

So uh these cultures what they found is so that's a little a little further inland, they had a sister site on the coast. And so what they would do, the the only agriculture they would grow was cotton. That cotton they would trade with the people on the coast so they could make nets and fish.

the fish they would bring back, they would give back to those a people who m made the cotton for them. So it was this weird, you know, interplay and uh The other unique thing about this time period is there was no evidence of warfare for a thousand Nobody was fighting each other. It was very just everybody no weapons, no anything like that. No weapons? No weapons for a thousand years. Right. That's that's possible.

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That's true. I mean they've they put in a lot of work though excavating especially that site corral. So you feel like somewhere they would find some sort of a axe head or they found um the only artifacts of major note um are some of those carvings that we saw and then bone flutes with carvings on them uh and the nets, the fishing nets. And my whole th um

My whole theory is this was a pocket. It's called the Norte Chico culture. It's a little pocket of these four valleys. And I and I I I went all over them. They don't look like pyramids anymore. They look like mounds. They're s they're sold. Um But there's another place two hundred kilometers north in the Chasma Valley, and what they have found is underneath the structures that are currently exposed, they found deeper layers.

of temples with that sunken plaza in this whole other location. And those are dating to the same time. So I firmly believe that what we what archaeologists currently say is the oldest culture, I believe it was it went the whole coast of Peru. I mean like this was a crater hands down. Crater of Civilization six thousand years ago. Six thousand years ago So which is right around the time we think the Crater of Civilization happened in Sumeran.

And so the hard thing about it is like you you'll have car You have some carvings and adobe that's been preserved in some of these places, uh so there's some sort of iconography, uh but there's no writing like the Sumerian. Th the the whole thing about Peru is like there it was no No writing system that we know of. Th there is a theory and I and I believe this. I believe the kipus, the Rope strings with knots. Yeah. I believe that was a language. But the Spanish

As soon as the as soon as the Spanish came over, they burned as many as those things that as they could find and they killed the people who could read them. So we don't we won't ever know. Spaniards. How dare you? But there's like there's evidence that they would they took some some of the Incas to the Spanish court and so there's

Inca in the Spanish court in front of the queen or king, reading off of these keepoos, reading stories, telling the court and pe From knots on strength. From knots on strength. And that understanding of that stuff. There it's it's lost. Currently I think for the last few years there's been some studies being done in Harvard trying to use AI to figure out what these me I mean and how many of these are left over? Uh

I think five hundred to a thousand. I mean that's it. I mean the Spanish l went on a mission. 'Cause they were trying to convert them. Spanish and get them to speak the language and become Catholic. Pretty much. Yeah. Yeah. And and then and and so much history is lost because of it. Yeah. So it's um But what's interesting is at that oldest place at Corral, they found a key.

They found one of these knotted strings. And it w wasn't a fishing net, it was what looked to be a kipu. And s so if you have that tradition going back six thousand years, I mean that's There there's a lot of this picture's from nineteen ninety four, this is what it looked like then. So see that on the right? That's looting pits. Oh, so they gotta dig it up. This is the map from above. Why is he? If you go on my spreadsheet there's a place called uh era de

Uh Sunken Plaza Era de Pando. It's a link to my YouTube. So this uh what we're about to see is right across the valley from Corral. So all throughout that valley are these sites from that north. And I'm like right there on top of this pyramid and just the drone footage is epic, man. Wow. So I went on I went on on a mission looking for these places. The thing about this that is so compelling but also so unsatisfying is that a lot of these stories you're never gonna get the full No.

You're always gonna be hungry. You know? Which is is that for a person like yourself that studies these places and has dedicated so much time to it, is that in any way frustrating or does it add to the appeal? It both. Um Well got a six thousand year old code. Um there's no one there with you at all, it looks like no one can stop you from taking or

Look at that. No, I mean if you get if you got caught. Yeah, this is just me. Uh I I actually spoke to um a there was an archaeol uh uh an archaeologist who told me to go to that place and so I went and I just I was the only one there. So th this is th m my whole thing was I identified most of these places through Google Earth first. Like they're they're they're not labeled. Th these places aren't labeled at all. That's crazy.

So these aren't documented places. No, this this is. So it's not on Google Earth though. It's not on Google Maps. You won't see any market. I was able to do some digging because of the guy who took me through the site. I meet this random guy, Luis. Luis is amazing. He's a farmer right here. I freaked him out. Um he thought I was coming to rob him because he gets robbed often, apparently. Oh boy.

That right there on the bottom right is another one of those temples with the sunken plaza, except that one has monoliths. Oh, looks like Stonehenge. Exactly. And nobody's done a study on astro uh I I don't I don't know the line. Right. But I can almost guarantee that that there is some sort of astronomical alignment. So what happened was archaeologists did come back, it did come here in the nineties, I think, and

It didn't look like corral. They weren't gonna be able to restore it, so they just kept it as uh you know, to find dating on on these things. And it it it's from the same culture. It's just a couple of valleys over. Hm. Do you have any footage of the monoliths? Uh yeah, yeah, yeah. It'll come up if you fast forward through it. Uh it's gonna be back back closer to where yeah. I put it through AI. So someone's got them in their fucking house somewhere. Some of them, yeah. Ugh.

How much of that is uh a problem with archaeology? I I know that that was a a giant issue with Egyptian artifacts. A lot of like wealthy people in other countries would just get it imported. their den and they have a a big fancy party. It it still happens. Um I will have to say that the And and I mean I've seen it with my own eyes, looting and stuff I've I've never come across a like somebody in the field doing doing that.

Because they'll kill you. Dude, you're out in the middle of nowhere. And if they get caught they're in deep shit, so they would want to get rid of you. And I mean what I I know for a fact the way some of these get out of the country is uh some of these waqueros have people in s on the inside who write them certificates and things like that that say it's What's a bigger problem though recently after talking to several archaeologists and witnessing it myself is agriculture.

Agriculture. They actually went to I went to a couple of sites that I've got. I I found this by mistake, looking on Google Earth. So I f I would find a site and I would like roll the satellite date back because it sometimes different seasons give you better imagery. I'm like ho holy hell. Th what exists now is a quarter of what existed ten years ago. And now all you see is like plantations, planted I mean, they have literally Paved over.

To plan. Dude, and that is it's become one of the bigger missions of the channel and eventuality because. Dude, you you don't know this site could have aligned with that site, could have aligned with y you have no idea and there's no documentation of it. There's no documentation because nobody's going out there. These places are far away, you know? Um But here here's another peculiar thing. This last expedition, so I found one of these sites and and I'm on camera and I'm I'm ready to go in like

Guns ablazing, like, how dare you do this? How dare you erase this? And I get there and I mean it's crumbled stones, crumbled walls. And it's just this woman on her farm. And so I start talking to her. This wasn't corporate. This woman has in fact writ did in fact write to the Ministry of Culture to say, Hey, I'm expanding my farm didn't get back to her, so she did it. She you know, paved over or created plots on half the archaeological site. So it it it becomes a

I don't know what I don't know what the right solution is because I I feel for this woman. She's actually she's not this isn't corporate. This she's just surviving. She's just surviving. The corporate stuff like pisses me off and I'll go hard on them and and I do in some of my videos. Um

But she and she tried to do the right thing uh by reaching out to the Ministry of Culture. But what's she supposed to do? Wait ten years to get a response? Right. You know, and so Um and then I don't know how you empower these people'cause from where I sit is at least if you could document it, then you'd have a recognition.

You know, that's that's what I'm trying to do when I go out there, create three D models and put it put pins on a map or something like that. You know? So it's uh it's a tricky situation to try to figure out. What's the most compelling I wanted to show you this. If you look in uh in my video footage, uh Puru Lin Pyramids, P U R U L E. This site, uh, I think it is much more deserving of future study. It's a site that has sixteen platform pyramids. Wow. And what does this site date to?

So when I didn't this ha half my half my role here is like I'll go out and figure find these places and then on the back end when I make these videos I go hard. Uh Pyramids Pooh Lin. Oh my god. That's just so you can have a sense of scale. Thank God for drones, huh? Okay, so that's a platform.

So that is the remains? That's dude and that so right back if you look in back on the horizon, that's the coast. So this is right on the ocean, which means This has been in inundated for millennia by tsunamis and It looks like it. It it really does, right? Yeah, it looks like it's completely washed over. Look how the sand has formed. And it's so I I kept that in there. That's the wind. The wind is so s I like I messed up my first drone flying it here.

Oh. But check this out. I keep this in so you could just there's another one. Whoa. Another it completely seems like water's washed right over this whole area. I bet if you look at it from far above it's even more evident. Yeah. Look at that. And they're all the same have they all have the same shape. And um this guy? Yeah, yeah, that's it.

However, the archaeologist who did that survey there's another one there. Um the archaeologist who did this survey has been quoted in the past thirty years saying he always wanted to come back here and do more research. He just never did. It's not an easy problem. Um but what they dated it at is even in that report, that nineteen seventies survey, he's saying eighteen hundred B C E but likely oh look at that. Wow. Here's something unique. If you pause it real quick.

So I looked on Google Earth and those toward the top center you see those two block looking things? All right, so I was like the I thought they were megalithic. Um they're not all of these. All of these pyramids are carved out of the bedroom. And the only place that there were looting pit Are behind those two stones at the top.

I in that little alcove of the mountains that was the only place so I went there and there's bones there. So that's where people were buried. And I'm like, why are they burying? And I stand right in the middle and it's facing eighty nine degree, almost perfect east west, that little gap. So like that that's where they were burying their elite people. Um in So where the sun would rise in the summer solstice. Yeah.

Now how old is this site supposed to be? So they said i in that report he says eighteen hundred they found one piece of pottery that's documented. They found one and and so This is from the nineteen seventy study. Yeah. Um and So this they're saying eighteen hundred B CE that's right around when pottery started. Um and but in that report he says it's likely older as well. He thinks it's older, it needs more study. But that was it. That was the only thing that was put out

I mean this is there's sixteen pyramids here and if you look in my drone footage you'll see it looks like there's another thing here, another thing there. So it's in the neighborhood of four thousand years old, but possibly Correct. And I think it is w I I would stake everything on it being found to be m much older. Pre ceramic, pre pottery

The pre ceramic thing is nuts. All right. So like here's the thing. What are they using for utensils? What are they using for plates? Like what are they using to put their food on? And then if it is pre ceramic What kind of tools are they? This out of the bedrock. I mean imagine the amount of effort it would take for a human being banging a rock against another rock to try to do that and then to make it flat. Are these things level? Have they

There I mean this is the only modern m most of my footage is the only modern media. What in existence of some of these Crazy. Of that just you? Of that site. Imagine if you didn't exist. Imagine if you you weren't exposed to that as a ten year old. Yeah. I mean This is just gonna sit there for like another thousand years before somebody else figures it out? Yep. Or or it gets paved over.

That's why I'm doing it, man. God, it's so weird. But how weird is that? How weird is it's just you. What kinda fucking what kinda weight on your shoulders is there that this one Fascinating sight. You're the only guy that's got video of this? Modern video? That's crazy. Yeah. Thanks for having me on. You guys are kind of choked up about it. Yeah, man. I mean it's um It's a lot of work, you know, and and it's just it's something in me that I I've I've

Well it's it's obviously very compelling to everyone that really pays attention to it. Is this the satellite And again, this is the thing. This is not like they put some rocks in place. They carved these things out of the bedrock and they're fucking huge. That's what's so crazy about it. I just I had to I mean getting there was What are we looking at, man?

Like that's the thing. Like what are we looking at? And why in Peru and why what what happened to this area where they had so much so much Sophisticated complex construction that was absolutely abandoned and there's almost nothing left. So they over the course of history what they've found is that Especially'cause people like to build on the coast and there's just up and down the coast of crew. There's so much. But then a made a major massive El Nino would happen and that just floods ever

And so people are like, oh, we gotta we gotta go up into the mountains. So they start going further into the valleys. Peru's so unique. You have the coast and then the Andes just start. You know, they just start going up until you get to, you know, the uh

Uh before you start getting into the Amazon you gotta cross the whole Andes and uh So for several hundred years they would live further up the valley, and then they would come back and repopulate on the coast and build on top of the sites that used to be there. And then it would happen again and they would go back. And so there's this whole cycle of and there's some places where you s you will find that direct um

It's very hard to find megalithic stuff though, like the stuff you're finding in Cusco, for example, uh on the coast. You don't really find that um you you don't really find that type of architecture on the coast. Uh you didn't have that building material, you didn't have stones like that. And so it's my belief that Some of these places existed.

Further back than we think. Like this place here on the coast, the erosion and the the wind and the water that must have affected it. I I can only im I have footage from what we just saw was drone footage from this year. I didn't get much drone footage the year before. I could already see how much has been covered in one.

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No one should claim to be a fraud paying American. Visit lifelock.com slash J R E and save up to forty percent your first year. That's 40% off at lifelok.com slash J-R-E. Terms apply. I think I there's uh Pre Cataclysm. the the younger dryist, there's evidence on like Waka Prieta that there was this mound that was carved out of the bedrock that Tom Delay and his team excavated and that academically accepted dates back to twelve thousand five hundred

And so there were there were people living on the coast at that time. So this mound, what does that look like? Uh there's uh it looks just like a m this is an interesting sight. That's it. What am I looking at here? That mound. So that's not a natural mound? No, it started off as natural. And so what they f what they found was they would use their refuse and so they would put trash on top of the mound and then cap it with like adobe mud so it would become strong, it would become a plastic.

And then they would build on top of it. So it's a trash mound? Uh part of it how weird. That that wasn't an uncommon thing back then. And that's more than eleven fifteen thousand years old. And what is that? They have writing from there? No. What's that cloth? That's uh fishing nets and cloths. Oh I see. It's one of the oldest uh pieces of cotton.

So you ask how they were carrying things and all that with the cotton. But the cotton was coming from further inland. It wasn't coming from them. So even back then they were um So h here's the kicker. And th this is part of like the paper um thinking I'm writing. Uh There's evidence at that place, Waca Prieta, of a sunken circular place.

And that predates all the ones we saw by in even by two thousand more years. I think this is where that tradition started. Wow. I think that's where it started far earlier than anybody else. Dude, I you know I've thought about this. I mean look if you Right, if they if you're if you're if you're building these structures six thousand years ago, eleven thousand years ago, fifteen thousand years ago, when'd you get there? When'd you get there and and there's yeah, there's the the plaza.

I d I don't think it's it it takes much. I think if you're living on the coast or I don't know, you by any sort of water and you see a piece of wood floating on it, you're like, huh? All right. Well then a thousand years go by and you have at that point put some pieces of wood together to make s a flotation device, you you're able to know. Like i I just I don't see it not happening eventually. Right. Right.

Sail out there and hope you have enough water on you. Or you're fishing and and you get stuck. You get stuck and there's a storm and it's like, whoop right. And you could never make it back. You know? Uh but I I think that's happened. born and created without a that sense of exploration, but also that that natural ingenuity. I mean storms happen and you see a a log floating in the ocean. Mm-hmm. Well, I can use that to go get catch more fish. All of a sudden you're seafaring.

So it just when you see stuff like this that's that old that's fifteen thousand years old, you go, Okay, well this is all that's left from fifteen thousand years ago. What's left from thirty? 'Cause it's like double that, right? Right now you look at fifteen, there's almost nothing. It's like God, it's so little and you but you get it.

But if you went another fifteen before that, are we talking what is that? And and that's why I'm like with with the stuff Beyond A Beyond E is doing with the um S A R tech, I'm just hoping that that can be affordable and applied in multiple areas to to find things that are buried underground. One one thing that I I I've always been curious about why there hasn't been more research until I looked into it.

All these places were on the coast of Peru. Well, sea levels were lower at one point. And so what's right off the coast of Peru? Right. You know? And there haven't been many, if any, studies on that. I'm like, why? Apparently. The Humboldt current makes it very difficult to this is this is what I read because I was like, why hasn't anybody studied this? Uh apparently the Humboldt current makes it very difficult to do research out there where it becomes very expensive for the equipment.

things like that. But I guarantee that you'll be you'll find some stuff off the coast. Yeah, it just makes sense. Especially if that really is fifteen thousand years ago. We definitely know that sea levels were lower then. Yeah, you there it wasn't like this it it's crazy too, man,'cause like Tom Dilly got community for his for his research time in Monte Verde and this site and Which is interesting how consistent it is. It's still going on today in the same way. And And they're always wrong.

Right. I think there's a lot of young archaeologists that have grown up with the internet and they're really paying attention to this stuff and they're realizing and also when you're young and you grow up with the internet you realize like gatekeepers of information are a real problem. And they always have been. And they're wrong about so many things. I mean they're wrong about virtually everything. The the official narrative of almost everything has holes in it.

This age of study and exploration and and radiocarbon, it's not that old. Right. It's uh so we've only been doing this. type of research for a hundred years with some of the new advancements. Like you don't think something else is gonna come along that might knock that out? Right. Right. It's kind of dickish. It's very dickish. But you know no need to focus on the dicks. But that's why things like Filippo Bionde's work i is so devastating to the to the narrative, because this new technology

shows that it's accurate and it is accurate on things that we know exist. That's what where it gets really crazy. Especially when they looked one point two kilometers Through a mountain to find the particle collider underneath and got the exact dimensions and a map of this particle collider. Right? So they know that it's accurate. And then then so what are those pillars? What are these twenty meter in s in diameter? What are these things? And why would you not want to divest

All the money you can possibly do to figure that out. I think it'll happen. I um and I think one of the reasons why it's gonna happen is because of the internet, is because the just the pressure and the the amount of interest And also think about each other. Right. Egypt a a a large portion of their economy is wrapped around the tourism. Yeah. Because the tourism in Egypt is phenomenal.'Cause it's one of the most incredible sites in the world.

Wouldn't you want it to be even more incredible? Like what's more incredible than some unknown mystery of Spectacular proportions. Something that goes a kilometer deep under the pyramids? And they don't know what it is? Like this is nuts. Also, these those shafts that go down that are filled with debris now that they can clear out and it leads to what at least this data shows, tunnels and

Caverns and all this shit that's underneath there? Like what is that? That's I I mean and and I think Ben has done phenomenal work putting up. Oh, he's incredible. I love that guy. The the history and the story and the and the accounts of being in these labyrinths and and he's another guy that got into this because of the internet.

You know, I mean he had a real career in tech. It was like, Okay, I'm gonna throw this out to be a YouTuber. I I was uh uh who was I I forget who I was speaking to, but I mean I My goal is to document as much as possible before it's not there to document and and I I I mean it it's crazy to be on here and to my ch my channel is I still feel like it's in its in its infancy. Well I only found out about it a l a while ago. I mean

I was it four months ago, five months ago, something like that. You know, I started seeing some of your stuff online, I think on X. And I started looking at it on YouTube and I was like, Yo This guy's going deep. How did you fund all this stuff? I mean, how do you have the money to go and do these things? I went broke the first expedition. This was a total field of dreams. If you build it, I'll see what happens. And and fortunately, I mean uh

People saw the work I had been doing up until that point. Uh, there there were some GoFundMe donations which was a ma the the fact that I mean, just thank anybody out there just thank you. Like The the people who believe in what I'm doing, like that's what fills me up the most too. Like uh the encouragement and the support from from

From people I don't know. You know? And and Well the content you provide though is so fascinating and it's so it's so interesting to people like myself and other people that are really interested in it. It's just a matter of getting you exposure. So the content is so amazing. It's just a matter of People have to find out about it and then I mean YouTube's a great w the y the algorithm on YouTube is so good because it'll recommend I'll watch one of your videos and it'll recommend something else.

You know, and then it just keeps going on and on and on. Well and uh So I came back from that first expedition. I was there the first expedition was twenty three days. I had two terabytes of footage and it's funny, that footage lasted me a year and a half until now and I was out on this last expedition for forty two days all over the country and I mean th the video you were talking about when we first started talking

That that is too the only there's no drone footage of that site ever. There is w uh one Facebook post with pictures and that's it. And I was like, I have to document this, you know? Uh and So much from the last expedition is is like that. It's the only The only media that that you'll see of it and this these pyramids carved into the bedrock that you're the only one that has media that is just absolute What are we looking at here? Oh yeah. This is a a mummy lady cow they found in 2006.

They call her the she m might have been the first female ruler of the area, the Cleopatra of South. Oh what's interesting is um it is it is being There's a lot of evidence to say that some of these early, early cultures were matriarchal, because they're they're finding a lot of the tombs of These queens right there on right there on the coast. The sorcerer. Yes. That the this one pyramid in this area called El Brujo where uh Huaca Prieta is.

Totem. Woo. Um and so what's inju and so I believe this was um the the I think Moche. Um El Brujo, uh there are Wow. That's cool too because you see paint. So you realize that these things were very colorful. Naked prisoners. That this is a recreation of what it would have looked like then. Those are prisoners? Yeah. So the Why are they painting their prisoners? That's weird. Oh I mean everything was painted though. This was where people I mean, why are they making depictions of their prisoners?

You know what I mean? Not that they painted it different colors, which is kinda cool, but it's interesting, like how old is this supposed to be? Anywhere from three thousand that's what is a very interesting part. Three thousand B C is what they say it goes back to, but they say it wasn't developed until uh modern day, like two hundred to six hundred A. D. which is that's a three. So it was I believe it was the Moche.

Philanthrop philanthropically minded, I can say it. Right. And the gr the gr the Huacheros are the ones who told him about it. And so that's a lot of these places have been found because of um Wawkettos being reported. All of a sudden there's an influx in a little village of silver or something like that. And then somebody tells the authorities, they figure out where they're going to dig. I mean there's a Apparent there's a good book on it. It's called The Lord of Sippan. Um

Where ar archaeologists literally had to like stand guard. The townspeople weren't happy that when the archaeologists got involved and the townspeople were coming to get the gold and coming to get the silver. And so there's a whole book about it. I don't know why nobody's made a movie on it. There there's a right,'cause it's life changing if they can find hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of gold and silver in the ground.

Buck these archaeologists. Well and uh some of the earliest m a lot of this stuff you'll see in the museums like the Larco Herrera Museum and uh A lot of this stuff all a lot of the pottery is preserved because you had these big plantation owners, these big, you know, technocrats and their workers in the field would constantly be finding this this artwork and these these these wakkas and uh

And so they were like, you know what, I'll give you two dollars every time you bring me me bring me one. And now we have the Larco Herrera Museum, you know, full of this. So it and there's I was talking to Dr. Ed Barnhardt about this. There's also there's also so much in Peru that the the the people finding these things, they aren't maybe nowadays they're making a lot on stuff, but for the past couple decades, there's just there was just so much. You're getting three dollars.

If you're a Peruvian worker in the field moving this thing up the ladder, you're getting three dollars for a a a little piece of pottery. How long have you been doing this? I mean what I've been with the channel two years. That's it. Two years, yeah. And what were you doing before that? A video editor.

And so you just said, you know what, I'm gonna just take a leap of faith? My contract my I had a contract position and it ended um it I was posting these things I was finding on Google Earth and I was saying, like, I think this is something, this is why I came up with this whole methodology. And people were like, You're full of shit and and I was like, You know what? Let's see. And I went and uh one hundred percent accuracy.

Every single one I went to. And that first expedition I went to ninety in twenty three days. Yeah. Ninety. That was the first expedition. I was there for forty two days this time. So like I've got five terabytes worth of video footage of things nobody's seen. That's crazy. But doesn't I mean imagine again, what if you didn't do this? That's what's nuts. That's what's nuts. Like we would be completely ignorant.

Yeah. And it just makes you wonder like what was like like those stone pyramids carved to the bedrock, the only u you have footage of it. What was that culture? What were they doing? And and all I have to go off of is what this What made me happy is like

And I and I have it on on the video phone talking to the camera, I'm like, I think this, I think that, I think this card other and that survey verified every little thing that I which was like pretty cool'cause I'm I'm not, you know, academically trained to you know, a analyze these things, but I have the I have the experience. Uh and so it was kinda neat that every bullet point was verified by that survey. Um the feeling I got going to that place, in that place in particular.

I don't think they're gonna find pottery there. I don't think they're gonna I think it was pre ceramic, but I also think there weren't houses. There weren't there there might be, y you know, if you go digging or do do some light. I think it was a place of pilgrimage. That's just my person I I've nothing to back that up. That's what I felt though, kind of pilgrimage. Like when I was walking there, um I don't know, man. Peru is weird. The energy in Peru is different. And and what way?

I mean maybe it's just the nature, maybe it but I mean I I feel I feel different down there and especially going in these far out places and when you get to some of these sites like you you you feel a little different. Um And and so just the kind of the intuitive impression I got was I wonder if people were coming here as some sort of pilgrimage because they

I mean there aren't houses there. There's no evidence of people living there. So I think But is that because of time? That's very it's very possible. That's the problem. When you're seeing something that's the amount of work that would take to carve something out of bedrock like those pyramid and how many of those pyramids do you find? Sixteen? Yeah. Okay. They're huge. Huge. They're carved out of the ground, out of rock, with what?

Dude Here's the interesting thing. In that survey, I didn't know this and I I tried to pinpoint the location. That main pyramid I was on, there's a pi black and white photo from nineteen seventy. where they found a carved out room in that pyramid stri in that main pyramid there's a And it looks like a room. It's been c m human carved out. So there's chambers in some of these things. Why aren't we studying it? Right. Why haven't we gone back and also how? Like w

What are you using to cook? Right. Like what kind of tools do you have? And six thousand years? Like what what what tools were available? And it's so close to the ocean you might not ever know because a tsunami comes in, it's taking it right back out. Right, right. And if it's metal it's gone anyway. Same with same with I think also

I think that little alcove where all the burials were, I think that got got preserved because it was behind this mountain. Mm. I think if there was any civilization there prior that might have been living there, uh All the bones that were there on the Right. They got taken back out. Of course. So And probably all the structures. Any houses, if they had wooden houses or left is with this strong who knows if those things were bigger too, you know? Right. Right. Who knows what was on top of those?

Right. Exactly. That's nuts, man. The thing that gave it away on that side in particular is when you look aerially Every single one of those pyramid structures is facing northeast. Every single one and that's for the sunrise. Right. And and I was like, this is this is man made. This is man made. And then and there's still people on the comments who are like that Oh that's just a mountain and I'm like, dude I

What more do you want? Like, wait a minute, they think that those things were just Oh yeah. They're the same shape. Yeah, I know. The same shape, the same size. They're all pointing in the same direction. Shut the fuck up. I've learned not to fight and just like you know, you're gonna believe what you want anyway. You know what I mean? So It's the history I mean uh Graham Hancock has the greatest phrase that we are a species.

And I think it all points back to not just the younger dryers impact, but probably several other impacts. You know, my friend John Reeves, he lives in Alaska and he runs the Bone Yard. Yeah, yeah. John just um sent me uh some photos of a new site that they have that's under all these other sites. Like deep under all suicides where they're finding not just bone, but charred bone.

Like an entire area of like burnt tusks, burnt bones covered in and he thinks there was another impact. An impact. And you know, but just I mean he's just making a rough estimation. 'Cause the oth the s what some of the sites that he found it's somewhere around ten thousand years ago due to like, you know, doing the e examination of the cores and he thinks it's twenty.

So he thinks this is probably a normal thing that has happened all throughout the history of the earth is the earth gets pelted, you know, every ten thousand, every twenty thousand, whatever. And that speaks to the The myths and the legends and the yugas and and uh I mean every civilization has its version of You know, this is the fifth epoch or the fourth epoch, you know, this is the first one was fire, the last one was you know, water.

The Yuga stuff is nuts too because it just seems like it's so accurate and we are in Kali Yuga right now, which is the age of deception. And like what's more confusing that's what it's called, right? Isn't it called the Age of Deception? Find out what Kali What's more like if you thought that it was all falling apart before it gets rebuilt, let's like that's now. Like this place is fucking crazy. Like it's every day the news is nuts.

I I've uh gone on a social media hiatus over the last few days and I feel so good. And I I I decided two days ago I'm not going back. I'm like, I'm not going back. I'll go back to post things. I'm never reading it anymore.

I'll find my news. You know, people send me enough stuff as it is. My friends send me things. I don't have to click on them but I know what's going on. Like what craziness is happening. You just feel better when you don't do it. And I've been sucked into the the the Nas the Naska mummies thing sucked me into the back and forth on on X and I and It's so toxic, man. So toxic. And and it's like at the end of the day, people are going people

Look, you can have all the evidence saying this one thing and everybody agrees that you're gonna have this group that it's like, well, no, for this reason. And then uh and it's the same thing on the other side too. And so it's just this this um I social media is this we what I'm what I'm saying is just this weird loop of confirmation And bitchiness and anger and arguments and infighting and attacks. And I just think that it's altering the collective psychological foundation.

of our society. I agree with you. And that's what's weird. And that's what makes sense when you see like crazy protests and crazy people online. It's like everyone's getting there's something that's happening to them. Well what's this one thing that exists with everybody? It's social media use. Yep. And

And I and I think I I don't know, li like I I've ha it's it's it's hard. I tried to stay away and then I found myself like last week after I made like these videos just just for the social media s sphere as an example. Like I was getting pulled into it. I felt myself as somebody who has not engaged that much. I I was like something has shifted, you know, and like I was ready to

get defensive and and a and and take things personally and I'm like, this is an attack back. An attack back. And I was like, this is just continuing the cycle and I don't want that I don't want that in my life. I don't need any of that. So I just stopped. You know, and and but

The level of defensiveness, the le level of attacks, the level of and it's not even at some points it's not even just taking things personally. The attacks are personal sometimes. Yeah. It's like what are you supposed to do other than not engage. Yeah, you can't engage. I say post and go. Yeah. That's my strategy. I like it. That's my strategy. And then even then I'm telling people to stay off of it so they're not even gonna read my

Like they're listening to me, but that's okay. It's okay. It's like you find out enough. You find out about the importance. And find out about shows that you enjoy and then you subscribe and then when new episodes come out you're like, ooh Yeah You know? And so that's what I've been doing and it's w it's a much healthier way. Like um the one thing that doesn't but and Jelly Roll was telling me this like

He know he got off all sort he he had no phone for like eighteen months. No phone at all. Wow. It was crazy. Yeah. Like I'd contact him through his guy that was running his social media. Tell Jelly I love him. Thomas, what's up? And then um recently he got a phone, like over the last f few months and only uses YouTube. He's like my YouTube because I learn things, I get interested in things, my and that's how I feel too. Like I really enjoy YouTube.

I I there's so much intr interesting content on YouTube about everything. I mean it's just like I mean, this is a an incredible age where I mean I feel fortunate for what I'm doing that there there's an audience. it. Because some stuff deserves to reach. Well what you're doing is very important. It's very important. Just the fact that you are the first guy to get media of that those Structures? That's crazy.

I mean it's really kinda crazy. You're a video editor. Two years ago you decided to do this. You're the first guy who's documenting these things and then we're showing millions of people right now. Kinda nuts. Like how few people know that there was some kind of a complex society that understood the equinoxes and pointing their structure toward it. And not just building them with mud and bricks, but carving it out of the bedrock in a a similar shape.

Over and over and over again. And that's just what you found. Like imagine how much what hasn't been found. Dude, you just look at the aerial stuff and I mean th Joe, I can't th this just that's just the tip of the iceberg, man. Like of the of the content that I mean I'm going to places in the middle of the desert and seeing an adobe wall peek out at this one little section and then I put the drone in the air and you can see the outline of this whole

Just a little bump in the sand. And no one even knows it's there. No one even knows it's there. What happened to all those people? That's what's nuts. Dude, that's the that's the th like When I say cradle of civilization, I mean this was I don't know, whatever's bigger than a cradle. Because if you think about the Ice Age and if all this stuff is pre-Ice Age or during the Ice Age. That area is not covered in ice. And it's one of the few areas around the equator that's not fucked up.

And it's one of the few areas where people can thrive. So it really makes sense. That that would be the area where civilization would not just thrive but reach very high levels of sophistication where they're able to carve into the bedrock these massive pyramid structures. There's evidence in in like the Okahe Desert. I mean they're finding another dark trafficking uh illegal trafficking web is like the the sale of fossils'cause they're finding whales in the Okahe.

They found that they were using whale vertebrae as stools. So they found this giant. In twenty twenty three, they found what could be dubbed the most Or the heaviest animal ever. Yeah, been in touch with that guy's nephew. Colossal blue whale found Each vertebrae weighs two hundred and twenty pounds. Yeah, the whole thing with the ones they found, two hundred tons.

And so like as you were just saying, if they're not buried under tons of ice, then these people could in theory have found, you know, lots of these giant holy shit in the desert, yeah. Something else I'm stumbling across and I didn't get into it. Blue blue ale poop is apparently. What's the deal with blue whale poop? Jamie How do you go on these deep dives in the middle of a podcast? Jamie, you're a fucking wizard, dude. Whoa having a poop, but neon green.

I I'm just imagining these giant two hundred ton poops Oh god, what are these people doing with poop? Sweeping up shrimp and shit from the bottom of the ocean. Right. I'm just like picturing what this looked like, you know, in the year zero. and who knows what other octopus What happens to that poop when it fossilizes, you know? But no, they're finding that they're f I mean there is a a dark web of trafficking for looking for stuff in the Oka Okukahe Desert where there where all these

prehistoric animal bones are. They've found dinosaurs and stuff. And again, it's is it just wealthy people that want it for their homes? Is that what it is? Um the this stuff I've seen, it's I mean really that guy and a few other people just kinda going out there illegally looking for stuff. So who's buying

oligarchs. I don't know. Where are these fucking people? I never met one of them that has some stuff like that. I want to go over someone's house like, hey you want to see some shit. That's probably how you wind up on a list. But I mean it's uh There's still there's still so much out there and I mean if I had

Just like s some of the structures I was talking about, like you literally see a whole Adobe Wall, you see a whole temple complex, you see the remnants of a circular plaza. Um I mean there's an there's another uh If you go to the undocumented temple on this on the spreadsheet, this is undocumented. No Ministry of Culture sign. It's not on the Ministry of Culture's database of archaeological studies. How'd you find it?

Using Google Earth. Wow. And so here's the thing, all right. So circling back, we had that Norte Chico culture with the sunken plazas way down here. We have the So that well that's that's what I saw on Google Earth. No, go ahead, continue what you were just saying. So y so you have the Corral Supe culture down here, and then you have They found that sunken plaza underneath archaeological sites in Chasma, way up here. So you have these two different and they're saying they were separate.

I think they were the same. How far apart are they? Two hundred kilometers or miles, I forget. Uh so what I was like I was like, well is there a connection? So I looked in the valleys in between. And I found this.

with a sunken cir a temple with a sunken circular plaza. So you have them found it on Google Earth. Yeah. And then and then I went and I needed help from one of the guys in the field to point And that this a l a lot of the people in these Pueblos like they'll know Every now and then you'll get lucky. every now and then. More often than not, it's yeah, there's some ruins right over there. And that's it. That's the extent that's the extent of their knowledge. Um

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With your first month free at simply safe.comslash Rogan. There's no safe like Simply Safe. So that's what I saw um This is what you saw on Google Earth. Yeah. Okay. And so you're just looking in between these two areas. Oh, and it's also facing north northeast too. That also told me um that it was probably something.

Okay. And then you see this, this you find on Google? And then you went. And then I went to the U. What are you renting a car? How the fuck are you doing this? Yeah. What what happens if you bring these cards back? They're like where do you Yeah. I have some pictures of driving out in the desert bed, like Okay, so this guy's helping you? Is this the guy, a local? Yeah, he was just working in the field there. Okay, so these are the fields.

And he tells you where the stuff is, so all the locals know they stuff is. And then uh pretty soon I start walking up to it. Mm. And this is completely undocumented. And it's you can see the plaza there. Mm-hmm. Um it's all rubble. So s something happened. Some some earthquake. So I'm walking up to the top of it.

And then uh So right now it just looks like rubble. It doesn't even look like it was a building. Right. From the ground at least. Exa and and half uh so many places I'm like standing right in the middle of the right in the middle of a site I don't even know until I put the drone in the side. I think it's coming up here. Let's see. Should should come up here shortly. I find there you go. Okay. So clearly. Underneath all of that is rooms. Right. So you see the bricks?

But that was that was evidence to me that uh so underneath this whole thing are walls and chambers and rooms. And you just found this on Google Earth. And it's the same style as that Corral Supe culture, the early one from, you know, three thousand to four thousand years. It's just so hard to believe that this is unexplored. And not just that, undocumented. And that you just find it on Google. Thank God for Go shout out to Google Earth. Google Earth deserves some props. I mean, seriously? Yeah.

I mean who would have ever thought? People asked if I used like advanced satellite stuff and I've only used Google Earth so far. Look at this. Clearly some sort of a civilization was there that just got obliterated. So this was weird. I I don't know like those just a cactus in the middle of it all. It was very strange.

I don't I don't think I still don't know what to make of that. They can grow anywhere. That's what's weird about. But it is weird. There's only one. Yeah, in in the middle of it. Yeah. But so there there's pottery there and I was wondering if it was the San P there was one more cactus like directly aligned with it. Um other San Pedro cactus down there? Yeah. So these people were probably doing some Something with the old psychedelic cactus. I've got a place to show you. Yes. Yeah.

It makes sense that if they have these temples and they have if there's a pilgrimage, there's probably some sort of a psychedelic ritual involved. Look at this. What does it feel like to just find something that no one even knew existed like this? It's gotta be a trip.

Thank God I was right. They spent fourteen hours getting to this place like thank God there was something. Um But th there have been times too where I'll g I'll get there and it's the satellite Google Earth hasn't updated itself and there's a plantation planted over some of it, you know. Do you ask the people like what used to be here? Um if there's people around, I mean sometimes. Uh like I said it's it's You can tell you can kinda tell when it's corporate the

Infrastructure in the area is different. But but that's the other thing. There's there's nobody monitoring this. I and I was like, What what's the solution? Do you pay somebody to call the Ministry of Culture when somebody's coming in with bulldozers leveling things? And what would they even do? Probably the people with the bulldozer just pay'em off. Either pay him off or dude, at at that corral site, Ruth Shady, the architecture was shot by land trap.

the archaeologist responsible for disc land traffickers were trying to take over the site and she was shot. She was killed? She wasn't killed. She was shot. Uh and I mean she's as recent as a few years ago is like we're we're still not getting protection. from them. They sent us one security guard to patrol the perimeter. These land traffickers, man, like and and it's for agriculture. It's for agriculture. It's not for loot. Looting is a happy byproduct.

It's for the agriculture. Mm. Squatters issue death threats to archaeologists who discovered oldest city in Americas. The oldest city in the Americas and you're getting one rent a cop? Wow. They called the site's lawyers and said that if he continued to protect me they would kill him along with me and bury us five meters below the ground. And she's seventy three. They killed our dog as a warning. Oh God.

They actually have a There was'cause'cause when they excavate they do it in seasons and stuff and there was one season where like land traffickers had started building on part of the site and in in in the off season from digging so they had to deal with all I mean it's it's crazy, it's like the Wild West, man. Um any other sites to show us that are pretty component? Uh I mean dude there's a I know. Um if you look at uh Shaveen, uh C H A it's on the uh just on the media hard drive.

We're talking about underground structures and halusin hajjins and stuff like that, this place Shaveen. So this is a known archaeological site. And how old is this place? Uh I think two thousand eight right around zero. Look how far down it goes. How deep does it go? This is nuts. Right? And this is just one part of it. Whoa. And this is 2,000 years old, at least. At least. So they wouldn't they won't let you film in the other section. It kind of

Um but why won't they let you film there?'Cause there's something called the Lanzone monolith. And if you look that up, Jamie, uh L A N Z O N monolith. So That's it. So they won't let you film in there because too many people go in there and take pictures and the flash supposedly So they just Yeah. Dude, but when I went in there the security guard was right behind me the whole time. He he he knew I was gonna try

picture. Yeah, but you could take a picture with no flash now. Especially with like the new iPhones and Samsung phones. You could take some really high resolution photos. The guard said not enough people know how to turn it off on their phone. So but when you walk Flash is fucking it up, that seems crazy. It That seems like voodoo.

Doesn't it? Doesn't it? It could do it to paint and stuff, but how's it and and it's behind a piece of plexiglass too. That sounds like they're just control freaks. Like fuck off, dude. But so so deep we went underground. Right. It's in a comparable place with these hallways. And and Joe, I d like completely stone cold sober. That's what it looks like. As soon as I walked in underground, something hits ya. So it it's The air is different. S I I dude, I don't know.

Lighter and a little messed up in the head, man. Really? Yeah. Do you think it's a lack of oxygen? It's possible.'Cause it seems like you're deep, deep, deep underground, probably limited oxygen because you get these caverns and just got a hole to the top. I mean I honestly I I wonder if it's built on some sort.

Sacred Greek del sacred energy or Delphi with the gases or something like that. I I don't know. Getting gassed in there? I all I know is that when you when you go in with Show me that that totem again, that monolith? What they found is um they found evidence of rituals happening there, like plates with uh with hallucinogenic uh plants or substances. So people I mean if you're gonna go on a trip

That's the place to do it. Right. Like that's it's it's just you're you're in an enclosed space. The acoustics are so weird. It's it's trippy, man. What is that uh image on that thing? They thought this culture, the Xavin culture, was responsible for the the onset of religion in Peru. The Xavier w they called it the mother culture for decades. And you see this Fenged deity. Dr. Barnhart talks about it a lot, this jaguar-looking deity. Um, they thought it came.

But there's actually places that I went to where you see it on the coast for th uh older. So it actually kinda flips that whole it's not the mother culture. Um but their influence and their reach was extreme throughout the throughout the Andean world. So they were responsible for that's when like religion took and iconography got a major influx right after Shavin culture. Um so that's what's that's what's on that stack.

And s it's just so ridiculous. They won't let you take a picture'cause of the flash. That's so good. Somebody said talk to them and go, Man, shut the fuck up. It that flash doesn't do anything. Devotees would be led into the maze of pitch black tunnels, eventually coming face to face with the sculpture.

The worship worshippers disorientation in addition to the hallucinogenic effects of the San Pedro cactus they were given before entering only heightened the visual and psychological impact of the sculpture. I mean that's Yeah. Dude, it w it was it just going in there a stone cold sober and feeling affected, I can only imagine what it was like being on San Pedro. Is that the weirdest place that you've been to in Peru?

Um Soxai Huaman seems to me to be the m the most bizarre because just the size of the stones. Oh yeah. Oh I mean like how. How I mean how? What are you guys doing? How'd you do this? How'd you figure out to make them interlocking in a way that if there's a seismic impact they stay put?

How? And and how'd you get'em there? How do they look like marshmallow I mean I like why they like looks like they're melted. I've gone on some deep dives. It's funny on that. Yeah, look at that. Fuck man. The big ones on the bottom, like how What and w the it's the style of them too, which is so different where as you said it looks like marshmallows, like they're melted into place almost.

Like look at that one big one in the center. What the hell is that? How big is that? I I forget, but they go up to two hundred tons, I think. That's gotta be bigger than two hundred tons. Don't you think? Probably. I I look how small those people are and those people are in the foreground. Get those people right up next to that thing.

They'd be tiny well maybe it is two hundred t I don't know. But either way. But fucking nuts. That one up there how uh you know how rounded these things are. And you can't get a piece of paper. The only way they've been dislodged is because of earth. Bro. Look at the size of that and look at the way they interlock. You can tell when you get up close there's there is this reddish residue. Oh uh we can uh there's so much.

Uh you can see the the there's often reddish reddish residue like that. So they were painted at one point in time? No. Uh I think it was clay. The indigenous people will tell you that and actually Percy Fawcett wrote about it in his journals too, like this this bird that would take a leaf, a red leaf, and peck it into the rock and after a little bit of time it would create a hole in the rock like it would help kinda melt

Actually the guy from the video el um that unregistered megalithic site told me the same story. Uh Okay, I know what you're talking about. Right. There's a specific type of plant that has like an acid to it. An acid uh and

I've started to I I I like Dr. Barnhart's theory. Um and there's also a paper on it, a peer-reviewed paper by Helmut Tribuch where he talks about look if you make If you mix pyrite from the offshoot of one of these Inkin mines with this with this plantish material you can create like an acid that will Slightly deformed. So maybe you would set the stones in place that way?

Secrets to saw of softened stone. The lost techniques of the ink from Facebook. So you know it's true. No, no, no. But F me though George Lira was um I did I did a whole some of my early videos man are like research papers. Like I went I went on on a deep dive with all this. And the Spanish chroniclers talk about seeing gold in between uh some of the stone.

But this guy also helmet tribute who wrote the paper says what if it wasn't gold? What if it was pyrite fusing the stones, helping to fuse the stones together with this paint? Mm. Look what it says there. It says the technique to carve and state uh shape the stones remains a mystery. According to legends, the gods would have gifted the Incas two magical plants. So coca leaves which allowed them to withstand pain and physical exhaustion, and another plant that allowed them to soften stones.

Soften stones. But you see that red residue. They were all coked up. I got fucking making these dope pyramids. When I was a kid, this woman. Oh, that can't be real. No, that's uh I've seen that. That's uh an art artistic creation. If you pull up uh It's up to you, dog. Whatever you want to do. Let's let's go to uh tunnels, Cuzco. Dude, this whole this whole part of the Andes. Yeah, it's um There's tunnels everywhere, man. Like it it's not just what they're doing.

So you're climbing down into this tunnel. Now is this a naturally formed some of it. Some of it? Okay. On the way out you'll see when I going in there's steps. Those were actual steps that were. But these things dude, I you can't get to the the end. You can't find peop there are stories where kids get lost in these things and never found. So uh again, these look like natural caves. Right. Some of them have been carved out.

So it's a combination of the case. It's a combination. So probably there was some natural case and then they started carving things up. Well the whole thing the whole thing about it was this gets weird. So this is the steps? Yeah, coming up on on on the I mean it just it just g keeps going on. There's the ste there's the steps. Jamie, can you imagine you and me outside the door going uh uh

You got I'll follow you. That's how my catchwa guide was, man. He was just filming me. Fuck you bro. I'm not going in there. I was like, I'll go in. There's probably demons in there. That's like that movie. What was that movie? The descent? The descent, dude. That was like the dude I love that movie's great. I watched it a while ago and I was like

Two thousand five? That's wild. That's an old movie, yeah. They did a descent two, it's not as good. Yeah. This is the it's not it's not the best, but this is Descent one was awesome. Yeah. Well one of the best horror flicks I've ever seen. And there's another one, huh? Did you go in there? Please tell me what you know in there. Oh, Joe. Of course I did, Joe. Of course I did. Wow. With your pillars of the past shirt on.

Oh my god, dude. I don't even think I would fit in that hole. I got a little scared because coming out wasn't wasn't easy. I was just reading about this guy who died. A guy was a cave crawler and he got stuck trying to get out. He got in head first and then could not get out. And just was just stuck. Died there. Like that like that. Oh god. Yeah. I mean there Oh yeah. Ooh.

You know how that never happens? You don't go in there. You don't go in there and you never dive in a cave. You never dive in a cave. I'll take that into consideration. All right, before we wrap this up, anything else you want to show us? Uh le alright, one more site. Uh Uh Chisniri, the C H I S. Oh. Let's just do the drone footage and then inside tomb.

So this place it I had no idea places like this. It's just uh me and my guide. He's dude, the people I met on this it just by happenstance, he's he's the president of the community there, the little compasino and took twelve hours out of his day to walk me through this place. That's another build it and they will come thing, right? It really is. Yeah. Okay. So this this like I I Ooh, the paint's still on.

It's actually not paint. It's it's it's mud. It's different colored mud. That's what he said. So now we're gonna go now in that in that next video uh we're gonna walk up to them. The sky people. Do you know? No, it it uh the Chachapoyas the the Chachapoyas were much further north. You see that skull? You see that skull right? Yeah. This is in the Cusco region. Oh what the fuck dude? Damn it. Why are all these dead people in that hole? Oh

What's going on in there? These were the where they would bury their deceased. They just chuck'em in a hole? No, th no. They were they weren't like that. They were So this is all just This is looting. This is all looting. That rope and skulls are everywhere. This is crazy. It's wild, man. This is like a horror movie.

This is like the beginning of a horror movie before it gets dark out. Right? The guys these archaeologists, it's probably you. You're out there in the movie you'd bring a girl with you. A hundred thousand percent. Bro, you're gonna hear voices. You're gonna hear dead languages. Yeah, yeah. No camping in the no camping in the valley. Oh you don't have to be a gangster to fucking take a nap.

Oh yeah, I'll get Sam and Colby to go down there. They kn I bet they won't do it. That's real ghost hunter. This is all from looting. So they just dug these people up. Stole whatever Yeah, that's a spine. God there's so many bones. That's nuts. It's crazy, man. Well, Raul, I'm happy. I'm so happy that you made that decision.

a couple of years ago to just follow this passion and uh the content that you put out is really incredible. And the fact you've been able to find these sites that are heretofore undocumented. It's really amazing.

It's it's amazing. I'm happy you're doing it and uh I really enjoyed having you on. And uh for everybody who wants to watch, it's Pillars of the Past. It's on YouTube. Um do you put videos up on X as well? I do. I've I've started putting videos up on X and You know, my w website's gonna be up and running soon.

You know, if you find places and want to put it on a map and you know, if Jamie wants to comment on it, then he can comment on the pin you put. I'm trying to build something'cause it people send me stuff all the time. Right. Have some sort of a thriving community of people that are interested in the same thing. Absolutely. Well there's a Th there's an interest for this stuff now. I I really credit Graham Graham Hancock. I think because

He was the real pioneer of this when e people just thought he was a loon. I remember people would make fun of me for reading his book in the late nineties. They'd make fun of me. Like what do you read this bullshit from? Why don't you go to a real history class like That's not fun. No. This is fun. This is fun. It's fun to think that we don't know what happened, but that something happened.

And Graham puts in the work. Of course. Yeah, he's an amazing human, you know, which is why they have to lie to discredit him. But, you know, when when he put that material out and then I think the Netflix show really started started opening up the gates to people exploring this stuff more and and just being fascinated by and then seeking out content like yours.

You know, and there's d we're f really fortunate now there's quite a few really good shows that are on YouTube that document this kind of stuff. And it's these are real miscarriage. It there's real mysteries when it comes to human history. And uh in my to me it's one of the most fascinating. I I love it. So I thank you so much for doing what you do and uh get out there again and let's come back and do another one of these.

Hey, just a just a few plugs. Uh uh I'll be speaking at a because of all this, which is just amazing. I was I still feel like everything's in its infancy, so I um I'm humbled by the opportunities I keep presenting them. The Quest for Ancient Civilizations conference.

In Sedona and then it's actually gonna be Of course it's in Sedona. It's gonna be here in Austin too. Of course it's here too. In uh two kooky places. A C L Live, I think, is the uh it's an amazing venue. That's gonna be in October. Uh and then I'm doing a tour with Mike Collins from Wandering Wolf and the Yucatan and with Hugh Newman we're doing a lot of people. I think it's more likely more like The way I operate is I'm I I tend to remain skeptical. I I would like multiple pieces of the

Right. I believe so, yes. In the yeah, yeah. There's something about the geology of the area. And and and I found places like that in in Peru as well. I mean, I'm waiting for they've done lidar studies uh uh of of that stuff. Um For me, just to have one one wall, I need I n pr I personally need more than more than just that. And I mean I found some of the stuff like that in Peru and I'm very hesitant to say this is megalithic.

For people that are interested in that just to let you know, there's a lot of AI images online and when you go to look for the sage wall, sometimes you're confronted with ones like oh my god, that for sure is man made. But then it's not a real image. I will say I'm I Mike Collins has done a ton of work on it so if you want to like see the original footage it's on his channel. Very, very interesting footage. I mean I go back and forth.

Yeah, I I mean that's depending upon how old it is. So that's the thing. Like if you're talking about something that's thirty thousand years old, maybe that's all that's left. I forget he was They found that it goes a lot deeper than it's something like that. So it's like Which makes it more interesting. Which makes it more interesting. And I'm like I just I Like keep dry like let let's see. Keep figuring it out. Yeah, right.

Go to that one below to the right of your cursor. Right here. To the right of it? Right there. Yeah. Look at that. Huh. I will say though That could be uh natural formation. No, can I put it back up again though? They might have built the pyramids, they didn't build this. Fuck outta here. What shitty fucking stones, yeah. Yeah, got non union guys came in. I'll do the job for cheap. Well, and they they got their laser beams like Oh wait a minute, that looks real.

Oh that looks like a wall. But there's also w I've seen four versions of this picture and one's in color. It's so hard nowadays to like you gotta put in some work to find the truth. Yeah. That was that's that is weird. But that doesn't look real. Well but it's not consistent all the way through Who knows? That's that's here in Texas, right? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe we'll go one day. Uh Pillars of the Past, YouTube, awesome. Thank you.