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Day to have you in here, buddy. Kid in a candy shop. We hacked the government. We hacked the government's files, evidently. I mean, this is we have three and a half million files that it feels like we should not have. it would have been great to have had seven years ago in twenty nineteen when this is being litigated, but it's an incredible moment of transparency for how the world works.

how governments interact with the private sector and funds and it's just really cool to be a part of it. What was the hold up? What was the'cause it seemed like there was a lot of people that did not want these files really Yeah, I've thought about this a lot, but

What we have access to now are internal documents from the Justice Department and the FBI. that are normally even though they're not classified, they are part of a criminal investigation and so they're not normally disclosable to the public. Um

It could be the case that it kind of required a congressional bill to force this out. Like when you if if there's a internal investigation and it's not a part of a court document that's entered into evidence You can't just FOIA the Justice Department to get dirt on your political enemies because you think that they might be involved in something. Now I don't know if it could have been done through an executive order around Epstein transparency around the time of the first binders.

Certainly it looked like there was friction between The president and Thomas Massey over this issue. Um but I don't I don't know the details of what went down there. But the fact is the bill passed four hundred and twenty seven to one in the House. Who's the one? My recollection is that it was Randy Fine, but I might be wrong on that, so I don't want to smear the people. Um I at one point in time at least. Yeah, I Thank you.

I don't know what the what the rationale, you know, is and because I don't recall off hand who the one is, uh I don't want to lean on that too much, but Uh the fact is is nobody wanted to be on the other side of this. I can't think of anything that both Republicans and Democrats voted on four hundred and twenty-seven to one and Oh I'm sorry, Clay Higgins. Sorry. Apologies to Randy Fox.

Uh yeah, so um there was the I mean there was obviously friction because this implicates everybody, Republicans and Democrats. uh Americans and a dozen different foreign countries, uh heads of major hedge funds and multinational corporations, donors to all political parties, major university and science institutions. Uh I mean Almost every major player in world affairs was In some way,

either either involved in or adjacent to this network or the network tried to reach out to them because they were influential. And so You know, there was kind of a mutually assured destruction around the Epstein hot potato for a decade now, which is that You know, uh out of power, the Republicans said, Oh, the Democrats are don't want to disclose this because of the Clintons and then

The Trump administration gets into power and there's a very slow, you know, reaction to the kind of disclosures th that culminated in what happened this week. And so you had the Democrats saying, Oh, they're not disclosing it because of You know, Trump world and his associates. Meanwhile, they controlled the Justice Department and the FBI for four years and didn't release an Uh so you know it it took an a moment like this and

What's what's really interesting about it is this bill only compelled the disclosure this law that passed in Congress only compelled the disclosure of Justice Department Files. Justice Department, by extension, FBI is the investigative arm of the Justice Department. It does not compel CIA originated files.

And Uh one of the coolest moments of transparency we had last year in twenty twenty five was when Tulsi Gabbard as the you know O D and I as the head of director of Sen of National Intelligence in charge of the whole intelligence community spearheaded the uh J F K files release and we got basically fully unredacted

documents. Now I know there's contest over how complete they are, but the fact is is it was hundreds of thousands of files that had never been seen before or unredacted versions of documents that had been fully or partially redacted for decades. The only reason that we have JFK JFK files at all is because in nineteen ninety two, Congress passed a bill to force the CIA to start turning over documents.

the law I believe was called the J F K Records Collection Act and it forced by law the uh the CIA to establish this independent presidential the assassination review board that would review documents for declassification and compel uh you know on the basis of that independent body. Given all of the intelligence intrigue around Epstein.

And the fact that it is, in my view, physically impossible over Epstein's forty year career in intelligence adjacent work that there was that there's not Epstein files that are CIA originated. And we actually You know, I I saw this in the files that were just released. Jeffrey Epstein himself twice FOIA'd, that's the Freedom of Information Act.

Uh, I think came around in nineteen sixty six, which allows any US citizen to ask any government agency for all public records that it has about anything. there're certain things that get blocked in that. This is there were a lot of FOIA fights about COVID. Uh, you know, Fauci famously there's this exchange where Um, you know, one of the folks in Fauci World says that uh they learned cool tricks from the Foya lady about how to get around requests. But the fact is you can FOIA the CIA.

for records, uh because it that FOIA forces the CIA to give you decl declassified or unclassified records, and if it's classified it'll issue a glomar of We cannot confirm or deny the you know, and the existence or non existence of you know the classified information. Can we before we get any further The J F K stuff, I never heard anything about it. I mean I know the files came out but there was no big revelations. There was no n was was there anything that came out of that that was significant?

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have sharpened their theories, I suppose, on the basis of it in a useful way for for whatever it's worth. Uh for me, I you know, was never expecting to see a CIA document saying uh Uh I, James Jesus Angleton, authorized the assassination of of uh the President of the United States. Uh but the fact is is what it revealed were all of these Tangential and ancillary documents.

that showed the structure of intelligence work at a very fine and detailed level, the kind of revelations that really only come around once in a generation. There's a there's a video online by Michael Parenti, who's a CIA whistleblower, around the time of the Iran-Contra hearings in the nineteen eighties. And he says, pay attention to these hearings. This may be the last time for another twenty, thirty, forty years that you ever get an inside look at the at the detailed

uh m y minutia of a covert operation, because all this was being blasted on a congressional jumbotron with hearings and formal congressional investigations and public testimony. And There's I sort of look at the JFK files release like that. We got a very detailed look at everything that was happening around effectively Operation Mongoose. Uh it

Because Can you refresh my memory? What was a mongoose again? Yeah, so so we ha so there was Operation Mongoose and Operation Condor which were which were related to the Nominally what you'll read is that they were related to the attempts by the CIA to for Mongoose, for example, to uh destabilize the government of Cuba in order to induce a regime change. But because those efforts proved unsuccessful, they regionalized the conflict to uh do counter communism work effectively.

uh throughout all of Latin America, the Caribbean, South America. and uh Operation Condor was effectively a kind of counter counterinsurgency strategy to stop the rise of left wing Marxist groups who were trying to throw off the yoke of

American imperialism, so to speak, as they put it. And so you had a a massive CIA operation to try to tilt the internal politics of basically every country south of the border and we got incredibly just detail I mean I'll g I'll give you an example of one declassified document that's really wild.

Uh there there's one document that uh is a CIA file with instructions to uh Delete all physical copies of the document at the end that describes how the agency had internally authorized an attempt to assassinate Yeah, Castro by working through the Meyer Lansky Syndicate and hiring two hitmen uh that were in Miami and then had but had contacts with the Cuban exile community liaisons within Cuba. And so this was a this was a formal agency file.

that described how a CIA case officer made contact with people from the mob, organized crime, uh with offers of pay payoffs with very detailed logistics. You can find this. I did a whole video on it on my the like ex sub subscriber thing, I'll uh I'll you know uh put it um on the top of my social media. But the but it also describes a really interesting Jeffrey Epstein like uh figure. Uh Robert Mayhew was a CIA asset. The J the JFK files They describe how they got uh they sponsored a a movie

to simulate, I believe it was the president of Indonesia, uh having an affair with a blonde. They filmed a basically like a porno that would uh and cre and c to create a tape and they had very they describe how they set up the the room to make it look like it was

I think in in the presidential palace or some hotel room that was would have been in in uh in that country, in order to create what's effectively a sexual blackmail tape that could then be uh leaked to the press in order to discredit the president and You know, you look at these in formal agency files and on the one hand you go, Okay, that was the nineteen sixties. That was the that was the early nineteen sixties.

That was before there was any oversight on the CIA at all. It wasn't until the church committee hearings in nineteen seventy five, nineteen seventy six that we even had congressional oversight of the CIA. There was no Senate Intelligence Committee, there was no House Intelligence Committee at the time. And at that point, assassinations had not been outlawed. I mean the CIA was allowed to assassinate people.

Th there's since been a ban on that. So you go, okay, that's sixty years ago. Uh but the fact is they did it. The fact is is that is within the array of options. that folks in covert operations

Saw as on the table. Working with the mob. Working with the mob. Now but that goes back a long time. I I found it totally unsurprising. It's one of these things, it's just kind of the general theme. It's shocked but not surprised. You know, it's like, holy crap, they They put this in writing? And then but you're like, but I'm not surprised they did it because I know they were doing all these other things. The fact is is

The CIA was working with the mob before there was a CIA. Before it was done by the CIA, uh work with for example, the the Italian mob was was done through the Department of War. in the n really starting in the nineteen thirties and then especially in the nineteen forties because they were the central intelligence agency well At the time it was the OSS in the nineteen forties, but it would become the CIA.

the one of their main logistical points of contact and allies for the resistance against Mussolini in Italy. Mussolini was cracking down both on the Vatican Church and on the Italian mafia. And so uh there were strange bedfellows. There's a great book on this by Paul Williams. I think it was published in twenty seventeen. It's called Operation Gladio, The CIA, The Vatican, and the Mob.

And it's I I recommend this book to everyone because it's a really, really detailed academic deep dive on this nexus between a religious institution, an intelligence agency, uh an illegal organized crime syndicate that does all manner of black ops and it especially focuses on the funding relationship.

In fact, this just came out, and this sort of gets to the utility of these documents. There's an incredible document that just was released this week where Larry Summers, who was the head of the U.S. Treasury, Not only was he the head of Harvard University and the and the head of the American money system, um But he he says to he's trying to explain to Jeffrey Epstein kind of the the politics of what's happening in the Vatican.

And what he says to him is that what's what's actually most important going on right now is what's happening with the Vatican Bank, which is kind of the uh the deep politics of the Vatican. And I you know, I saw this email and I just you know, laughed and did a little, you know, twirly thing in my in my chair because it's it's totally unsurprising if you read you know that book Operation Gladio that I that I mentioned, it

It traces eighty years of this because the the Vatican Bank was the first offshore bank before offshore banking even existed. It was utile there was an alliance with the Vatican Bank during World War Two itself with our Department of War and with organized crime outfits, at least according to the evidence that I find persuasive in this book and that

uh appears to be validated by Italian court documents in the nineteen nineties when all of this was litigated. Incidentally, that was when the mob was really prosecuted for the first time. But effectively what happened was is you had strange bedfellows. You had the United States who wanted to get rid of Mussolini, you had the Vatican who wanted to get rid of Mussolini, and you had organized crime who wanted to get rid of Mussolini.

And because organized crime is very deep in the logistics in unions, they control the ports, they control the st the streets, they control safe houses.

Um and if they have allies in a bank, they are able to launder money effectively in order to do black market, you know, type trade. And if you have, for example, the support of the US government to facilitate that, that'll and there's protection offered to those organized crime groups. What what you end up having having is effectively state sponsored a

a state sponsored mafia with an untouchable bank. And at the time the van because and Ch Larry Summers explains this to Jeffrey Epstein in very simple terms, which is Which is yeah, here you go. The most important change in the Vatican may not be Pope Benedict's sudden retirement, but change in leadership of the Institute for Works of Religion.

The Bank the Vatican's Bank. Because of the Vatican's status as a sovereign country, it's exempt from transparency rules of not only Italy, but of the European Union. This status allows its elite clients to evade any scrutiny in their money transfers.

Last May, Vatican Bank president was fired after Italian authorities opened an investigation into a far-flung bri bribery scheme. And he goes through this, but What's uh what's important here is th the British w when we think of offshore banking now, it's it's usually associated with Cayman Islands. Cayman Islands, you know, Jersey, Man, uh Panama, uh you know the but well Panama's sort of a different story. But it it's usually associated with these kind of small island countries.

that are formerly, you know, kind of their own territory, their own sort of sovereign territory. You also see this within the United States in Indian Native American reservations with these kind of autonomous zones that can be shielded from certain kinds of Um you know, public disclosures that an a typical finance institution. Well, yeah, this this was actually part of it. Is that connected to the the casinos because they have a lot of money from the casinos? Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. In fact if you watch the Octopus Murders, which I think was HBO or Netflix or or one of those. It's fantastic and you know it it it goes through how this was used effectively by the NSA during the promise software scandal and the Iran Contra scandal of the nineteen eighties. where y you had basically the NSA and then the US government uh r running money laundering effectively through, you know, casinos on uh

uh in on Native American sovereign territory. But the the fact is is th in the nineteen forties, the Vatican Bank was really the only game in town. This traces back at the CIA level to a lawyer named Paul Hellowell. who was kind of the the architect of of money laundering for for the CIA. And it it didn't even start in well really started with the

the attempt to try to stop Mao in the nineteen thirties and nineteen forties. Um there was there were the opium wars in the eighteen thirties where effectively the British Empire and, you know, the East India Trading Company were making ungodly amounts of money by selling opium to China. They would grow the opium on the Golden Crescent.

or India and then they would sell it to China with the a huge customer base which would bring in huge amounts of revenues to the British Crown. Uh and then there were two opium wars that were fought in the eighteen thirties and fifties, I believe, around then, or and the opium wars were China's attempt to stop

the import of opium into China because it had a huge, by that point, uh opium addiction problem. Opium dens in China were a massive issue within the country. They tried to ban it and the British Crown pried open the narcotics market. through a military

conquest of parts of China. That's how Britain got control of Hong Kong, which remains a major marco n narco trafficking site connected to Jeffrey Epstein in very weird ways. I I'll just sidebar that. But Mao rose to power to re you know, uh in the name of his public campaign was about rejecting the century of humiliation between the eighteen thirties and the nineteen thirties. to support Chiang Hai shek uh and the Kuomintang, the Chinese nationalists against the Chinese communists.

The war department couldn't get enough congressional allocations, taxpayer money, to support that, so they had to find some way to finance the forces that are now effectively Taiwan, because when they ultimately lost they fled to the island of Formosa, which is now Taiwan. But they they financed that initially, the War Department, the the Chinese nationalists through the narcotics trade.

through the basically the narcotics cultivated in the Golden Triangle. And these operations continued in Cambodia and Laos and were a big part of the JFK.

To this day in Fort Bragg, the you know, the special operations training centers called the J F K uh was this was a massive expansion of small wars, covert action instead of big military action, so it was mostly spearheaded by CIA rather than DOD or Department of War. But what happened was is Paul Helliwell in in order to Be able to traffic illegal narcotics created a bunch of these CIA banking structures, ones called Castle Bank and Trust.

uh i in the Cayman Islands, another one uh Nugan Hand in Australia. Uh and when you have that, you know, friendly bank that's protected then you can move drugs. This is this overworld underworld alliance between intelligence and organized crime. Because i b basically every intelligence operation Is is a c I wanna say every, but At the operational level, it's a crime. It's an act of uh sabotage, it's an act of subversion, it's an act of obstruction, it's an act of illegal surveillance.

So uh in order to do a illegal crime Uh you don't want to do it yourself because then your fingerprints are on the gun. But if you know people who do illegal crimes for a living in an organized way and have experience in doing it, that allows you to be a very useful extension And it gets justified in the name of national security. The illegal narcotics trade set up by Paul Hellwell who would go on to be

the main lawyer for Disney and set up Disney World in Orlando. You can look all this up. You can pull up Paul Hallowell's Wikipedia or you can look at the history of Disney or you can pull up Castle Bank and Trust. You can put any one of these up on screen. This is all fully declassified. Uh and So they then took that model to South South America and Latin America and the Caribbean during Operation Condor, Operation Mongoose.

And this is part of what gave ri gave rise to the Iran Contra that spawned Jeffrey Epstein. which was the CIA got busted running a the same thing it did in in nineteen forties China, which was a Drugs for cash for guns operation. You cultivate dru can't get enough money in USAID. You know, and in the nineteen forties, USAID didn't even exist.

You you can't get enough money from US taxpayer dollars, you can't get enough money from private donors who will draft off of the regime change for their own profit. So how do you get how do you get your resistance rebels enough money?

It's that usually comes down to black market trade, whether that's diamonds in Africa, whether that's illegal mining activities in South America, or whether that's narcotics. And It's the the best things to use for this kind of covert financing are small fungible physical

materials that can be converted into large sums of cash. Uh you know, for example like a truck full of cocaine can fund an army. Uh you know, a truckful of copper can't. And So you had this state sanctioned drug trade, this state sanctioned illegal weapons logistics apparatus, and the state sanctioned money laundering apparatus that started in the nineteen forties and was utilized throughout the entirety of of the Cold War. The on on the mafia side, in the n

Operation Gladia was this stay behind network is what they what they said. Basically these were um, right wing groups m many or some of which uh were kind of Nazi adjacent who hated communism and so even though we fought against the Nazis in Mussolini and Hitler in World War Two, there was a utility to

homegrown domestic network that really hated communism to assist us on the ground in the war against communism. And what you saw was in Operation Gladio, this was a NATO wide covert uh alliance of networks, a network of networks. that in basically every one of the NATO countries there was a cell or a number of cluster cells that were set up in order to covertly influence the domestic politics of the country. And if you look at the members of these cluster cells, there's some of the Yeah.

Yeah, like Silvio Berlusconi was a part of the the so-called P2 Lounge. uh that was that came up in the Operation Gladiophiles when the Italian government uh basically put put all this on trial in the nineteen nineties. And that structure is still used by intelligence today. If if you go to my X feed and you look up uh for example

and Applebaum and the thread that I did on the in integrity initiative. If you just put integrity initiative in, I can I can show you what these cluster cells look like. Uh and it's it's a it's fascinating to look at the organizational structure of it. But I guess w what I'm what I'm getting to here is with

with the mob and the Vatican at the at that time, that was the only game in town for offshore banking. If you wanted to have a bank that had no oversight whatsoever. When the British lost the Suez Canal in nineteen fifty seven and basically had to give up their empire, where this is during decolonialization.

The the British Empire transitioned from a physical empire to a financial empire and moved heavily into offshore banking. That's how you got these kind of, you know B V I British Virg Virgin Islands, Cayman Islands, you know, Jersey, man, all these kind of British offshore banking hubs, and with London as the capital of international finance. you you al the British Empire was a was effectively able to maintain a comparable level of

imperial vassal state control without having physical troops or f or physical territorial control. And so the Vatican Bank has lost a lot of its uh rank, I would say, in the international finance system since the nineteen forties because the market's so saturated now with offshore banking hubs. But th that explains what's happening in this Larry Summers Jeffrey Epstein exchange.

W one of the weirder things about these files is there's some stuff in there that you go, okay. One thing that we know happens is when something is true, a bunch of stuff gets attached to it that's both not true and also preposterous that allows you to sort of dismiss all of it together. There's a lot of people thought about that with Pizzagate. And there's some stuff that I saw online that was like George W. Bush was like involved in ritual sacrifice or

You know, th things things along those lines, like killing babies and eating people and th w wild shit. Yeah. What do you think that stuff is? I don't know. I I don't know. Do you think it really occurs? What I'll say is this is a bad week to be a total Pizzagate denialist. I don't particularly focus or I don't want to say care. I don't I don't My knowledge set on it is a lot more limited on it because I don't think it's a central crux of um political influence.

Uh I don't know if it's kind of almost a inside joke in a certain way. Um Jeffrey Epstein himself in these emails is unbelievably trolly. You know, he'll he'll say things that are the kind of you know, shit posts you s y you say to a buddy or your you know, your brother or something that uh you don't mean you're you know it's you're fucking around you know cheek but you if If you were a cynical, out to get you person who somehow obtained that text message. You'd say, Oh, look, he said it.

And so so there's a lot of that going on. But the fact is is I have seen some I've seen a lot of images shared uh w around the time period of when Pizzagate was popping off in twenty sixteen that All I'll say is it doesn't it doesn't look good or easily explainable at the same time. A lot of those screenshots I have not

You know, for for most of these, for the things I've posted about or that I'm talking about here, I've gone to the Justice Department file, I've looked up the file number, I've confirmed whether or not the screenshot is actually what it is. For those I have not yet, uh I I would not I wouldn't Feel totally confident saying there's no there there. But that's that's about as far as as I can go on that. When you say images, what do you talk about?

Well, there's a lot of you know, if you look up pizza for example, it's just as a keyword search, y you'll see or cheese or something. Um It looks like you know in the in the DOJ database for these new files. Uh You'll see a lot of things of people talking about pizza in a way that It seems like a code. To imagine it's actually just pizza. Oh, okay. You know what I mean?

I I don't to me there's so much real world provable things in there and also so many kind of m more real world implications. Of allegations that are made in the files that kind of Uh you know, should be explained uh Like a common mistake that I see going around social media this week is people it it kind of gets the reason that the FBI or And the president was arguing that these files shouldn't be released in the first place, which is that people would take things out of context

and wildly uh you know, and think things are true that are not because they're baseless allegations made by, you know, some anonymous tipster. And but but because it's in an FBI file People will think it's true. Now I don't think that's a reason not to release these. I'm extremely glad these were released.

What I'm saying is is I've seen that phenomenon, you know, run away and and some of this I know is kind of uh baseless in terms of the factual evidence because some of the people One of the confidential human sources, for example, that is cited you know, the first day of the drop, there was this kind of bombshell claim. Uh in the this was probably the most viral post the first day of the DOJ release, which was a confidential human source, CHS, it means of FBI informant.

uh who the FBI internal memo describes how this confidential human source reported that Alan Dershewitz was a uh Massad agent and after every meeting he goes back and tells his FB his Massad handlers Yeah, w what what they talked about. And you go, Oh my God, it's an FBI.

confidential human source. Uh the the FBI wouldn't, you know, pay an informant unless they found them credible for this sort of thing. On the very next page of the files it says President Trump I'm paraphrasing, you can pull this up if you if if you want. Um you know, President Trump is controlled by the government of Israel and they have I forget if he says they have blackmail on her s something to this effect. Now, I don't know whether either of those things are true or not. I don't know what

you know, any more than anybody else who's done research on this. Certainly there's a lot of overlap between Dershevitz and the Israeli government and high level Israeli officials. So in that sense If that were to be reported, I don't know that it would be the m Y who knows uh about whether that's true or not. It's but it plays into a kind of confirmation bias that a lot of people have. And so when you see that in an FBI file, the first thing your instinct is if you're

you know, uh if that's your journalism beat is to is to write all about it and get millions of views. And same thing, there's a MAGA civil war right now that's happening over issues around Israel. It You you say, Oh my God, it's been proven the FBI knows that well Uh Ken Silva, who's a journalist, shortly after that published. Uh a tweet containing a file that had much less engagement where he said, Actually I I actually have a copy of this document. Again, I'm paraphrasing here.

uh where uh it matches that document file number. It's got the same text and it looks like the that confidential human source is Chuck Johnson. Now I I saw that and I went Oh my God.'Cause w one morning I woke up to a text from that very person saying this is about two years ago I never met him, never talked to him, don't have his number. Somehow he got mine and messaged me on signal to turn myself in because I'm going to prison.

He then proceeded to look up um my ex wife and make allegations that I was a Mossad agent because she was a uh hunt she was a a prostitute from a from a foreign country and involved in all these, you know Mossad black ops type things. Now he didn't even get the name right. He found a d a different person with a similar spelling. that uh you know, was I guess busted for prostitution or something, and then makes these giant claims on social media that uh, you know, I had been like married to a

Foreign spy prostitute, or something. And then he goes on to message someone he thinks is my donor and threaten them to cut off. funds because if he doesn't then I've made the intelligence community very angry and they have deputized him to tell the person he thought was my donor that the intelligence services of the United States of America will crush the businesses of someone he thought was my donor.

if he doesn't cut off the funds he thought that person was giving to me. Okay? This is that confidential human source, or at least according to the reporting of of Ken Silva. Uh The the level of things that are untrue about that uh Combined with the fact that this very person is going around uh saying that not he's not just an FBI informant, but that he actually can direct the intelligence agencies of the United States to crush someone's private practice if they don't change the you know, their

discretionary donations to someone. Like that's the person you're saying that person's Uh you know, comments to a FBI officer or you know uh task force prove these claims about Dershowitz and Trump? Uh I mean that's that's ridiculous. I I know firsthand that there's zero credibility to those claims. Now they may be true or not, but the fact is is You know, there's there's a lot of context to to all of these.

What is just because it's said in an FBI file does not make it true. We learned that lesson in Russia Gate. We learned that lesson with the Steel dossier. Uh but you know that I think that same sort of

Caution and prudence should be applied with these. Uh and I think ultimately the truth wins out on these things. It just, you know, takes longer than you might want to. It's so You know, the whole thing is just i I think everybody who looks at it realizes this is a rabbit hole that just goes to the center of the earth.

And there's so many people involved in that. What do you here's here's the big question that people ask. If there was a Jeffrey Epstein, and it seems like all these things he is involved in is there a Jeffrey Epstein right now that we don't know about? There's a million of them. A million of them. I mean this is why this is why I

I find the con this you know, this is not the core of what I focus on. Um but I find it re a really interesting field of study because it helps understand so many other US government institutions and the relationship between government and private business. Jeffrey Epstein is

part of a class of what are effectively professional fixers. And this i this is a a kind of class of professional who sits Not really within a particular government or private sector institution, but in the kind of sticky layer between them that connects them all. I would say that for example, people like Mark Rich, Bruce Rappaport, uh and I can go through all these figures and who they are, Robert Mayhew and these types, um, are

just good case studies in how the intelligence world, the business community, uh you know, uses. I'll like let's take an example of Bruce Rappaport and and this is a You can pull up on screen if uh if you want. There's a a great article. I think it's called uh I think it's from nineteen eighty eight or nineteen ninety one. It's called uh Intr Intrigue in High Places, Oil Pipeline, Iraq. Uh and then just Bruce Rappaport. It's R A P P Yeah, here you go. Uh pipeline deal intrigue in high places.

And I'll I'll describe what what happens here in a second. In fact, there's a great YouTube video on this as well. uh if you look up uh Bruce uh just on on YouTube, uh Bruce Rappaport nineteen eighty eight, there's a great kind of couple minute summary of all this. But effectively what happened was And let me start this by just Jeffrey Epstein got to Bear Stearns in nineteen sixty-six. I'm sorry, nineteen seventy-six, and then worked there until nineteen eighty.

Sorry, just cause you have it on screen. Maybe maybe maybe I'll go through this first and then I'll do the Jeff because the Jeffrey Epstein connections. So what happened here was You had the Iran Iraq War from nineteen eighty to nineteen eighty eight, and Henry Kissinger had a really great quote about this because he asked, What is the US government strategy on this? because it's very convoluted.

And you know, why are we why are we giving weapons to Iran when the Iranian revolution just happened in nineteen seventy nine that You know, overthrew what was a US government-friendly government that was partially installed by the CIA in nineteen fifty-three.

Th we're we've now declared an international arms embargo on them. You know, we're we're basically at war with the Aetolas. Why are we f why are we giving them weapons and helping them uh you know defeat Iraq? And the you know the issue was is w war over regional hegemony and oil with with Iraq.

And so Henry Kissinger's quote was I my only wish is that both sides would lose, could lose. And so w what happened was is w because we didn't want Iraq to take over Iran and become effectively bigger than Saudi Arabia in the region. uh we were f we were funding the and and giving weapons to Iran to try to fend off the much bigger Iraqi army. And then at a certain point in this Uh we we began to back Iraq. We went back and forth uh supporting Iran, Iraq. And so the the the

Iraq, because of the em embargoes on it, wanted to build a pipeline to get its oil out, and it was gonna pass through Jordan and it was going to abut against the border of Israel. And a major CIA contractor and CIA connected private business called Bechtel, highly, highly influential. company. Uh there's been many, many, many books written on Bechtel. Some of uh and Bechtel is alive and well today. If there was a saga, for example, around the Stanford Internet observatory.

uh if around the censorship industrial complex when I when I visited the Stanford Internet Observatory and I went into the courtyard, the courtyard is sponsored by Bechtel. It's I think it's called the Bechtel Courtyard. Uh and but but what happened was is The Bechtel was promised by Iraq a billion dollar contract in in nineteen eighty you know, eighties money for constructing this pipeline.

And the Central Intelligence Agency and the White House National Security Council both, for geostrategic reasons, wanted this pipeline built. The problem was is they were afraid the Israeli government was going to sabotage the pipeline because Iraq was very hostile to Israel and there was a lot of tension between the Iraqi government and the Israeli government and they were afraid that if Bechtel got this contract

and built this pipeline that Israel would somehow sap you know, these pipelines are very fragile. And all it because it passes close to it. It's very possible that that would ha that would happen. It would destroy both the CIA's goal and the private profiteer Bechtel's goal.

So how do you solve that problem? Well, what what the CIA did is What the what the National Security Council, which is the interagency that the CIA reports to, did is they engaged a private fixer named Bruce Rappaport, who was a Swiss billionaire with close ties to the Israeli government.

to back channel with the Israeli government some sort of secret agreement that would guarantee that they would not sabotage the pipeline. And Because the Attorney General of the United States now again, think about this as well. As I'm saying this, think about Jeffrey Epstein and think about the character of Bill Barr, for example, who started his career for seven years at the CIA, was highly involved in the CI's Iran Contra, and then was attorney general.

both in the nineteen nineties during the Epstein Connected BCCI scandal and the you know when Jeffrey Epstein killed himself or or whatever happened to him. What so what What happens is is is Bruce Rappaport does indeed use his contacts with the Israeli government to uh strike an agreement. that then allows uh the pro would allow the project to be greenlit. But it triggers a special prosecutor's investigation of the Attorney General himself, Ed Meese, because he one of his friends

was alleged to be in on the deal. So they they argued that effectively there were that they that through Bruce Rappaport, the attorney general was striking a secret agreement with Israel to profit himself uh a massive conflict of interest And what what ended up happening is Bruce Rapafort Rappefort stepped forward and said, No, no, no, it wasn't to profit

The the terms weren't to profit the friend. It was the the terms we secretly reached with Israel is that they were going to get like a thirty percent cut on the revenue of the pipeline, and that's what secured the buy-in. But the fact is is Bruce Rappaport was not uh This now the other part of this is that the National Security Council told the basically the overseas development arm of of the US government, a formal US government agency.

to uh to put American taxpayer funds to help subsidize the pipeline. That uh the Bechtel pipeline And that government agency did not want to put up something like four hundred million dollars of taxpayer funds on it because they thought Bruce Rappaport was a very shady Epstein like figure who had all sorts of sorted, you know, details about his own past. So that government agency queried the CIA for all records about Bruce Rappaport.

And the CIA gave them a limited hangout. They said, Oh, you know, we only have a few documents that are responsive to it and no red flag. As it turned out with the special prosecutor.

compelled from the CIA is that they they had a whole dirty dossier on Bruce Rappaport. And if they had given that to the to the US government agency, there wouldn't there couldn't have been support for the pipeline. Now, after all this scandal, the pipeline ended up not being built. But the the point is is here you have a v the same type of person as Jeffrey Epstein.

the same regions and countries that are, you know, involved in a significant part of the Epstein saga, you have the same structure of the intelligence community, private businesses and you know, back channel deals with government officials. But because uh He was what you know, what's called a a liaison, a a contact, a facilitator, a friend of the station. Doesn't work for the CIA. He's got his own hedge fund, he's got his own, you know, basically finance, you know, financial.

He'll invest in commodities or foreign exchange or private portfolio companies, but sometimes he'll work with the CIA. Sometimes he won't. Depends on whether it's good for him. And in this case, he thought it was good for him to to take this. Who knows what cut he himself got it on it. But the fact is is

Here here you have the same type of opera you have every layer of this, from the Justice Department to the CIA, to the private financiers, to the to the private companies, to real world geopolitical action. And this a appears in in my view of it to be exactly the model that Jeffrey Epstein uh himself

replicated and and was on parallel track with for his whole career. You know, he's and and I can I can get into that, but but does that make sense in terms of like the this type of figure exists in basically in every country, in every industry, uh and You know, they're not all as prominent as Epstein, but s I would argue people like Mark Rich and at the time Bruce Rappaport kind of were. They don't all have you know these.

Child sex trafficking type things. This is the thing is like it what he was connected with w it makes me wonder like if he didn't have that sick thing where he liked underage girls. Like if he'd never gotten arrested what which was what, 2008 or something? What when did he initially get arrested? Uh two thousand six, but but the but he he was uh yeah the plea deal was two thousand eight. So if that hadn't happened, like if you just got a guy who's getting of age prospects

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Why? Because Epstein was involved in fraudulent financial activities his entire career. Uh he was under SEC investigation. at Bear Stearns in nineteen eighty, when he was uh involved in a deal, I think it was Saint Joe's Mineral Company, which is um owned by Seagram's, which was you know, owned by the the Bronfin family.

Uh he he got in trouble with the SEC at that time. He then as soon as he got in trouble, he left Bear Stearns and went out on his own, but then worked effectively at Bear Stearns off the book.

for the next decade, according to his own testimony, he had a continuous relationship with Bear Stearns for you know, I think he said thirty one years. I was basically from the moment, you know, from from the nineteen seventies nineteen seventy six until two thousand seven, two thousand eight, when Bear Stearns collapsed while Jeffrey Epstein was in jail. Um

Then Jeffrey Epstein in it it appears to me almost impossible that Jeffrey Epstein was not working on BCCI pipeline deals while he was at Bear Stearns. BC Bear Stearns was one of the was one of the three biggest

uh clearing houses f for for BCCI transactions. BCCI is the Bank of Credit and Commerce International. Sometimes people call it the Bank of Crooks and Criminals International. Uh it's it's It's a incredible saga of CIA banking gone wrong. It's it's a bank that was started in Pakistan in nineteen seventy two and then grew to be the CIA's main way to covertly back the Mujahideen against

the the Russians during the Cold War. So we backed Osama bin Laden, the CIA, we backed the uh you know Islamic Mujahideen, the the radicals who became Al Qaeda and ISIS. Uh with billions of dollars of CIA and MI six and Israeli and Saudi facilitated um you know Co-support and financial uh funds uh in order to do a Cold War operation, just like we talked about with Strange bedfellows. Uh you know, get uh backing

right wing organized crime to stop left wing communism. We did the same thing in Afghanistan, uh, through, you know, these the Pakistan Afghanistan border. to run, covertly run guns to the Mujahideen. In fact you can there's a great YouTube video that I always like to play so that you can see it for yourself. Uh it's it's really short. You can look up nineteen seventy nine's a big new Brzezinski.

dropping out of a helicopter to tell the Mujahideen that uh both God and the United States government is on their side.

And the reason this clip I I always think is so fun to play is because this was the very moment in nineteen seventy nine that Jeffrey Epstein an a appears to have been uh involved in the BCCI financing of this very operation. So if you if you turn the volume up and you start at the beginning. U.S. National Security Advisor Brzezinski flew to Pakistan to set about rallying resistance. He wanted to arm the Mujahedin without revealing America's role.

On the Afghan border near the Kaiba Pass, he urged the soldiers of God to redouble their efforts. We know. their deep belief in God and we are confident that their struggle will succeed. That land over there is yours. You'll go back to it one day, because your fight will prevail and you'll have your homes and your mosques back again. Because your cause is right and God is on your side.

That is the national security advisor of the United States of America. The national security advisor is the highest post in the cabinet. It is the person the president talks to every day. All intelligence, war military, and statecraft goes through the National Security Advisor. That is the numero uno.

And he personally, in nineteen seventy-nine, you know, this didn't come out until years later, but we were covertly doing this. So to do a covert operation, and this is why I focus on the money side of Epstein from the nineteen seventies to press. Because The money in any covert operation is the most essential part. It's the only thing that is irreplaceable and that if you don't have it, everything goes away. You lose one person, find another one. Uh you uh you know, you lose one

Uh you know, logistics hub can create another one with money. You lose money, you lose everything. You lose your ability to pay your informants, you lose your ability to bribe government officials. you lose your ability to uh, you know, win the support of local institutions. You we lost Vietnam. Not really so much because we lost l you know t at the the kinetic war level, but because we lost the ability to fund it because it got defunded. So we c we literally couldn't do it anymore.

And the there's another great clip just to show how sophisticated CI money laundering was even by the nineteen sixties. sorry, I'll I'll stop doing this after you know running around clip to clip after after this or I'll I'll chill on it. But if you if you go to my XCOM, you can also find this on YouTube. Um there's a great I believe it was C B S uh in in the nineteen sixties. It's called In the Pay.

Uh I think it's called In the Pay of the CIA or in the uh it's but if you type in CI money laundering, you'll see this this great clip about how sophisticated CI money laundering was already by the nineteen fifties and sixties. And the

That because everything the CI does has to be laundered. It's a spy agency. If it writes a check If it doesn't conceal the origins of the money gigs up. So everything that is CIA has to move through some sort of money laundering mechanism. Well you know, to to kind of I guess Uh borrow a phrase from from the president, somebody's doing the money laundering. You need a you need outside contacts who do not work at the agency or necessarily for the agency to facilitate that money laundering.

And that was done through, for example, the Pakistanis with uh B C C I as well as contacts and in London. That is what I believe Jeffrey Epstein was doing his entire career after that, from Towers Financial to his tenure with Leslie Wexner. uh to kind of the way I think that he helped model the Clinton Foundation itself with the Clintons in the early two thousands. Uh and his expertise in that I think is is what made him useful

Uh really not well, it's more the the connections of I guess uh you know, donors and billionaires around him that made him the most useful. But the fact is is

He specialized when he went out on his own, formerly he leaves Bear Stearns in nineteen eighty one and starts a one man group called Intercontinental Assets Group out of his New York City apartment. He's not even thirty years old. right away he gets big level clients like Adnan Khashoggi, who is the uh at the time was alleged to be the world's richest man. He was the Saudi arms dealer, and to give an impression of how significant this figure was in the uh weapons trade.

he was he he earned more in commissions from Lockheed Martin, uh, Boeing And I think one of the other big military contractors than every other commissions agent in the entire world combined. That's why, you know, there were rumors that he was the world's richest man. He in fact we actually had legislation passed because of how influential he was. He was the one who in nineteen eighty three

uh flew to the National Security Council, to the White House, um, to orchestrate the Iran Contra affair. He was the Saudi middleman uh that was part of this operation where the United States uh used the Saudi middleman, Adnan Khashoggi, to uh run guns to Israeli contacts to smuggle into Iran to fight off the Iraqis. I know it's a bit of a long sequence, but effectively you can think of it as the United States and Israel with Saudi Arabia in the middle.

Now, Adnan Khashoggi was one of the major clients of the CIA's BCCI Bank, and he was the host of the CIA's

offshore operation that was created in nineteen seventy six called the Safari Club. Uh in in nineteen seventy five, nineteen seventy six, when the CI started getting handcuffs put on it with the church committee here. Jeffrey Epstein starts his career at Bear Stearns in nineteen seventy six, the very moment of the biggest shakeup of the CIA and CIA history. a at that moment the church committee hearings were ongoing and the public was seeing

Colby and Angleton holding up a heart attack gun. Uh, you know, how the CIA can kill someone and make it look like they died organically of a heart attack. Operation Chaos had just broke about the CIA funding student groups on American college campuses. COINTEL broke. Uh MKUltra broke. It was one house of horrors after another on everybody's TV that only had three news stations.

And so Democrats were completely fired up about getting rid of the CIA or putting massive handcuffs on it, which is which is what they did. They created effectively what's now the Senate and House Intelligence Committees, so there's oversight of the CIA by the the people's representatives. The um

The first year Carter was in office in nineteen seventy seven, went through the what was called the Halloween Massacre, fired thirty percent of all CIA operations uh personnel. They massively cut funding and So in response to this, you had a set of stakeholders who wanted that CIA dirty work to still be doable, but they didn't have the legal authorization to run it out of the CIA.

So what they did is they took the same group of international partners that they had been that the CI had been working with. That includes Saudi Arabia, Israel, the UK, France, at the time Iran, because this was before the nineteen seventy nine Iranian revolution. They were all part of this thing called the Safari Club, which got its name from the m uh Mount Safari it was basically a resort club in Kenya, which was the main hub.

Just like Colombia, for example, is kind of the main was the main US government hub for logistics. It was kind of a foothold i for our ability to do work in Venezuela or Guatemala or Nicaragua or Brazil. In Africa, Kenya was our main stronghold. And so but Adnan Koshogi ran that. This was basically a seven, eight country joint covert operations intelligence. And it was informal. It wasn't technically the CIA.

And it was set up in Rust. You can pull the Wikipedia for this actually. It just so you don't need to take my word for it. Like literally the sanitized Wikipedia will will tell you everything that I'm I'm saying here. And it ended up that network ended up becoming one of the main Yeah yeah. You'll see that that there it is on the right, the s fire club. It was a covert alliance of intelligence services formed in nineteen seventy six that ran clandestine operations.

In Africa, now what they're leaving out here is that it was also Asia, played a huge role in Pakistan and uh Afghanistan and the like. But these were all these different countries.

attempt to offset the restrictions that the Democrats had put on the CIA. When Reagan gets back to power in nineteen eighty one You still have these handcuffs on the on the CI. You still have the the Democrats controlling the House of Representatives. The Democrats control.

Didn't you know, so there was an international arms embargo. First of all, in nineteen seventy nine, the Iranian revolution happens and it's blamed on the CIA being cut back. The CIA helped install the Shah in nineteen fifty three. w they argued that if Jimmy Carter hadn't destroyed the CIA we would still have Iran as a friendly country. We could have stopped this, we could have nipped it in the bud, we could have had people on the ground.

It's Jimmy Carter's fault that he that he cut the CIA that we're in this disaster with the world's third largest reserve of of oil and gas and this hugely geostrategic country now being an enemy of America rather than a friend. The the so an international arms embargo was put on Iran, but then Iraq threatened to invade it. And we didn't want Iraq to take it over. So we had to get we had to do something illegal if we wanted to help Iran.

And it was against international law to give them weapons, but if we didn't give them weapons, it was perceived massive geostrategic, geopolitical earthquake that we'd live with for centuries. So you had to do one illegal action with with the gun running, and then there was a interparty dispute. The Democrats at that time, uh, the majority did not want to do a Intervention in Nicaragua. There was a in party power called the Sandinista government.

And there was a uh a rebel faction called the Contras. And Republican donors and stakeholders had a had interest in Nicaragua and wanted to help the Contras overthrow the Sandinista government. But there was a party dispute. Democrat donors didn't profit from that, and they at the time had a fairly robust anti imperialism kind of mindset. And we're sick of CIA regime change in the by the early nineteen eighties after everything that ca was disclosed in just the previous year.

So Republicans wanted to overthrow the Nicaraguan governments, Democrats didn't, Democrats had a House majority, and they passed something called the Bolin Amendment, which forbade any U.S. government funds from going to support the Contras. the the Republicans in a pickle. By the way, this is what's happening kind of today around Ukraine if you flip the parties. A hundred percent of Democrats vote for Ukraine funding. The Republican Party is split about it.

This is the inverse of that was happening in the early 1980s. A hundred percent of Republicans wanted to fund the Contras against what they called the Soviet-aligned Sandinistas, and the Democrats were split. But but they successfully passed this bullet amendment, so the CIA was in a pickle.

How do you run guns to Iran when it's against international law? And how do you fund the Contras when it's illegal to spend US government money to fund them? And uh so what they came up with is effectively the structure. I think it's the most useful structure for understanding

uh American statecraft and intelligence activity to this day. What what they came up with is what they called which the CI Director Bill Casey referred to as a private, self sustained, off the shelf, standalone entity that did not exist within the US government. But ex but was instead it comprised the money came from outside fixers who would then effectively channel donor money and black market trade.

To fund the Contras. So the money didn't come from US taxpayers. It didn't come from US aid. It didn't come from an allocation from the US Department of War or or foreign assistance from the Department of State. you know, cocaine and uh and a couple of other things, but uh you know, th this was the you know, the famous Fruit Ricky Ross. Yeah. Gary Webb, you know, John Kerry, uh and

the this was the soup that Jeffrey Epstein was was coming up in. And a f you know, a funny story related to this is that the the main airline used to transport the drugs and guns in the drugs for cash for guns operation was a CI proprietary airline called Southern Air Transport. Uh Southern Air Transport was was the proprietary CIA airline, meaning it was owned and operated exclusively by the Central Intelligence Agency.

And it was the you know, the airliner that all these aircraft went uh moved through. Um Iran Contra was basically the early nineteen eighties up until like the mid-late nineteen eighties. In nineteen, it was it was based in Miami. In nineteen ninety four Southern Air Transport, the CIA proprietary airline, which in the intervening time was spun out to not be owned by the CIA, but rather to be owned by someone who had worked for the CIA uh

at the time it was owned by the CIA, so you know, pretty thin layer there. But it moved from Miami to Columbus, Ohio, primarily to service the limited.

I have I have a I have a video on this and I look over it, Jamie,'cause he's obsessed. Yeah, and if he's obsessed with Patel. Yeah, probably told you about this five years ago. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well there's a great article, I think uh Spook Air and um How many roads lead back to Ohio? Uh um m most. Most if not all.

Well, Ohio was w you know, if you remember, kind of the origins of of organized crime in the United States really goes back to the prohibition era when you had this Midwestern Mafia syndicate. around Cincinnati and then it moved into Dayton and Columbus and adjacent to Chicago and th this whole sort of hub around Prohibition and then Prohibition was nineteen twenty to nineteen thirty three.

when prohibition ended, all these networks went from black market alcohol to black market drugs because it was no longer black market. They no longer had a business smuggling alcohol. So they they moved into the narcotics space. Which ones? Which which narcotics? Well uh it was

primarily opium in the nineteen thirties. This was part of Opium. Really? Well, yeah, well if you because in the nineteen thirties was when you had is you know, as we discuss the Department of War's alliance with Chiang Hai Shek and the and the Kuomintang, the Chinese nationalists, the the supply for you know uh the supply for heroin, for example, or, you know, opium, it comes from Asia. It comes from the Golden Crescent, the Golden Triangle. And the way this logistics chain moved was our

CIA m war department backed rebel groups in Asia. They sat territorially on the Golden Triangle. They would cultivate the opium. They would basically fly it out on military aircraft. Uh it went to Europe for processing in Uh you know, fr France I was one of the main

Uh you know, this is this kind of French connection saga, which again Jeffrey Epstein is weirdly connected to and I can tell you about that if you're interested. And then it would go to the basically Italian mafia folks for the transshipment and you had Italian Mafia controlled docks and ports in the United States and New York and New Jersey. And you had, you know, CIA protected Italian mafia groups in southern Italy, which at the time were

national security protected because they were our allies against the communists. And so you had this this drug trade to support foreign policy imperative. And y you can do that you can run that exercise with pretty much every drug on planet Earth at this point. And it makes it very difficult to stop the drug trade because by stopping the drug trade you are

You're running up against something that your own government considers a perhaps unfortunate but necessary logistics hub. Do you think that's happening right now with Mexico? Yeah. Whoa. Well, I mean think about this, fast and furious. Yeah. The Fast and Furious story is fucking banana. Tell it to people that don't know because just the idea that they proposed this and implemented it is so fucking crazy. Yeah.

Well, so this was a scandal during the Obama administration. Eric Holder was the Attorney General of the United States. He had to step down because he was held in contempt of Congress for jumping on the grenade and not turning over the fast and furious file. Um Earth to Congress, note to Congress, who wants to be a hero, by the way? Um you can do the same thing with the Epstein bill. With the Fast and Furious file.

Uh I think everybody in this war on drugs that w you know, we're so gung ho about we just captured the president of Venezuela over drugs. It would be awfully nice if you compelled the Justice Department and FBI to turn over the Justice Department and FBI run fast and furious files.

But what happened was as And I believe this had interagency approval, meaning the the White House signed off on it, the Central Intelligence Agency signed off on it, the Department of Defense signed off on it, the State Department signed off on it. the FBI and ATF signed off on it. This was a gun running operation to send guns to the Sinaloa cartel

to uh to have them be able to successfully win a narco drug war against the Los Aidas cartel. The Los Aidas cartel was pilfering oil pipelines. Remember Mexico The oil wealth of the United States is vastly disproportionately concentrated in Texas.

in West Texas and southern Texas, w where it shares oil fields with Mexico, effectively. Those oil fields go into Mexico. Mexico is replete with oil. And there are many partnerships between United States oil companies and the Mexican government, uh, Pemex and and all the different, you know, kind of private private lines and this is a big point of geopolitical contention. But the fact is is one of the things that organized crime groups do in order to get money for their own syndicate.

Because they've got effectively military control of a territory is if a pipeline runs through that territory, they can simply cut open the pipeline and steal the oil. This is for example what you know, w was happening with our CIA back uh rebel groups in Syria. We're taking the oil. I mean we would literally, you know, our

our spunky moderate rebels would, you know, literally cut open Syrian pipelines and take the oil. And this was one of the ways to support it, you know, you can support it with drugs, you can support it with black market oil. And by the way, I while I'm on the topic.

Uh if you if you pull up and I have this on my my X if you type in uh Institute uh Institute for Peace or inst uh just type in institute peace drugs. Th the the the US government, the US Institute for Peace told the Taliban not to shut down the drug trade after they took power in twenty twenty two. They said it would have a devastating uh you know, negative impact on the co you know, the the local economy if they didn't keep growing what was then, you know, ninety, ninety five percent.

Of the well yeah, if you well I think click the next image. Uh wait, next image. yeah here we go so this is uh Yeah, we give the US Institute of Peace at the time we gave them fifty five million dollars a year. I the US Institute of Peace was created by act of Congress in nineteen eighty. Yes. Right. Right. So now remember, just about you know um

The Taliban had just taken back power. That happened in the you know, in the early Biden administration. The Taliban, if folks recall, Cut so we the CIA was help and and the US military, as well as their allies and with regional allies, were cultivating the opium on the Golden Crescent For a noble cause to win the Cold War against the evil Soviets T this was a big part of the funding for the Mujahideen.

And this was one of the big scandals that ended up enveloping B C CI, the CIA's bank, because it was the way because it was non compliant with any banking regulations, it all moved offshore. the drug money The the drug logistics chain that the CIA built for the Mujahideen then moved through the m drugs money laundering chain at the CIA bank, and this apparatus had scaled for twenty years by the by the late nineteen nineties.

When the Taliban, like the Chinese, wanted to shut it down when the Taliban took power in the nineteen nineties. And they did that. They cut the OPM down to effectively zero in nineteen ninety nine and this is all open source. In two th and then, you know, we we invade Afghanistan and you know, uh two thousand one, two thousand three

uh it becomes a m US military occupied zone and it goes from zero percent of the world's heroin to ninety five percent of the of the world's heroin, all under US military occupation. In fact we installed their dictator um you know, who whose brother was uh was the main drug kingpin of the whole country. Uh it

And some of this moved through um some of this moved through the Cold War CIA backed uh uh Turkish Grey Wolves outfit. And uh there's a funny quote, I think, in the Michael Hastings article on uh Stanley McChrystal, where Stanley McChrystal's team refers to uh Hamid Karzai's funny little hat that he wore. Hamid Karzai was the CIA installed.

uh you know, strongman uh after we we took over Afghanistan. He referred to his hat as the Grey Wolves vagina. I mean they're basically saying like this is the you know, the drug logistics or if it's but leaving that aside, what what I'm what I'm getting to is is you you have this this banking network

You have all these logistics chains. Jeffrey Epstein, his whole ten ye when his come up is made through this through this whole network. It turns out that Bear Stearns opened a trading desk with to to clear BCCI transactions in nineteen seventy nineteen seventy eight. Um Jeffrey Epstein's mentor, the person who who actually recruited him to apply to Bear Stearns, was a guy named Ace Greenberg.

Ace Greenberg then was a senior executive at the time, and then I think in nineteen seventy eight or nineteen seventy nine he becomes CEO, so the head of Bear Stearns. So Jeff and he sets Jeffrey Epstein up with the with his daughter. So Jeffrey Epstein is a is a young kid. People wonder how did Jeffrey Epstein make partner at Bear Stearns so fast? Well there's a couple explanations. You know, one is the guy who brought him into the firm quickly became CEO thereafter.

And Jeffrey Epstein was dating his daughter. The New York Times actually reported this about a month and a half ago, uh, by getting the insider testimony of a dozen people who worked at who worked at Bear Stearns at the time. And so, you know, he's dating the boss's daughter, but also Ace Greenberg is the CEO. Would have to approve all of these transactions, and it looks like was involved in you know these these clearinghouse activities. What happened was is uh Bear Stearns cleared

about thirteen billion dollars worth of BCCI transactions. And it looks like these transactions were involved in the very same Odnon Khashoggi Sasadi and Doug Lees, who was a British arms dealer that Jeffrey Epstein was flying to London to meet with and working with all those years.

Uh f and they and be and Bear Stearns was doing it through this entity called Capcom, which was what the uh the Senate report on the BCCI scandal referred to as the bank within the bank of BCCI. So kind of the inter sanctum of now that Capcom was was owned by Kamal Adam, who was the head of he was the chief spy for Saudi Arabia. So he was so Bear Stearns Yeah.

The New York Times reports based on a dozen of these, you know, insider uh you know testimonies, they got like three of Epstein Epstein's bosses on the record to talk about you know what he was doing there. Amazingly, the New York Times does not mention a single deal name in the entire twenty thousand word report. Why do you think that is? It might not be news fit to print. Also, they just m I I'll I can be charitable and say they

might they just might not know. They might think that, you know, uh I don't think that the New York Times has a pinky of the specialization in Jeffrey Epstein cinematic universe knowledge uh that your random anonymous egg account on X has, so they might not know about uh Bear Stearns

doing B C C I transactions. They might not know what uh you know, if if you don't know the material you don't necessarily know what to ask. That's me being charitable. Uh also The you know, some of the witnesses may have said that they don't want to talk about specific deal names because that would tarnish

you know, the folks involved in that deal for association with Jeffrey Epstein. There could be a lot of reasons. I'm trying to be charitable here, but but the fact is is They all said Jeffrey Epstein moved up so fast because he was dating the boss's daughter and he was put on the biggest and most lucrative deals very quickly within the firm. Um and Given the inc the incredible volume that Barrestarns has appears to have move been moving through BCCI and

BCCI being, you know, the hottest ticket in in town then in the late nineteen seventies. It was literally the main vehicle for the US government to covertly launder funds. Uh Uh Capcom, according to the Senate intelligence report and the Justice Department investigations, was the main vehicle for funding the Mujahideen. fifty percent of those trades and they they laundered it illegally. What w which requires

uh a brokerage, uh you know, a clearinghouse to to prove it. You know, the the way this is set up is you have a you have a bank. You've you've got uh a money launder and you've got a clearinghouse. The bank was the CIA bank, BCCI. The money launder was the CIA's literal direct partner in this, the Saudis. Capcom was run by the chief Saudi spy master. And then in nineteen eighty two, Jeffrey Epstein obtained a fake Saudi passport. Uh sorry, it was a fake Austrian passport because that was a big

loophole passport during the Cold War for spies, but said his residence was Saudi Arabia. We didn't find this out until twenty nineteen when his safe was raided. But that exact time Jeffrey Epstein has this fake Saudi passport. And it's it's being done to support the CIA backed rebel group, the the Mujahideen in Afghanistan.

But that requires a clearing house to clear those money laundering trades that were using these mirrored commodities trades, which is this you know technique of basically, you know, uh selling to yourself to to make money look clean so that it looks like Um, you know, profit and you know, it looks like you you know won or lost it in a market trade rather than through drug money.

And then they were then sending that on, you know, to uh to the Mujadim. But the fact is is at the same time that that was happening Anand Khashoggi, who had become Jeffrey Epstein's client in the nineteen eighties when he went on his own, was the one facilitating the weapons you have this drugs for cash for guns. the person so the so the bank that's moving the that's turning the drugs into clean cash that

the head of the you know Saud the Saudi spy master is running that part of the you know banking side. And then you've got the Saudi Saudi arms dealer who is Moving it illegally into Iran, working hand in glove with the CIA and the National Security Council the whole time, you have a You have a illegal

financial enterprise protected at the highest level by the United States government, the US intelligence services, and by proxy the Justice Department itself. Can you imagine the Justice Department prosecuting it while that operation was ongoing?

Any defendant. You know, here's a y you asked what what are the what are the great reveals in uh in in the JFK files. And I'd be remiss if I if I didn't bring up the the case of Rolando Masfur. There's an incredible document in the JFK files that that Tulsi Gabbard released last year, which is a CIA document that describes I think the quote is massive damage if the s if the

Uh Justice Department pursues a criminal case against a guy named Rolando Massfur. If you just type in Rolando Massfur, JFK files 2025 release. uh or like massive damage or something like that, you'll you you'll see this. It's an unbelievably incredible document. What it documents is that There was a dispute between the CIA and the State Department. The State Department sets foreign policy. The CIA is not is supposed to serve covertly.

the the the State Department. The the CIA is the junior seat at the table. Nobody ever goes from being s you know uh head of the State Department to head of the CIA. That's a that's a demotion. The CI is supposed to be kind of the yeah, I use like the uh, you know, Sopranos reference. S you know, Silvio comes in and and sh you know, shakes down the

hairdresser shop or whatever for the money it owes the family. If you are that hairdresser, it's easy to think that Silvio runs the mafia because he's the one who shows up at your house, breaks your windows, breaks your nuss your knuckles, and takes your money. But Silvio's not doing that because he runs it. He's doing it because the person setting the policy of the enterprise, Tony,

is the boss of it. The way it's supposed to work is the State Department sets policy and the CIA does or organizes the plausibly deniable, dirty work to achieve it if that is necessary to achieve that foreign policy. This is why there was a lot of debate in nineteen forty eight about whether the CI should even take on this role. This is this great nineteen forty eight George Kennan memo.

that says maybe we should do have a office within the State Department called the inaugur uh called the you know Bureau of Organized Political Warfare. And then two months later they decided the CIA would uh you know w would would take that. But the fact is is it's basically a State Department function, but CI is supposed to defer to state.

But what happened was is there was a factional dispute between state and CIA over over Cuba policy. The uh the State Department wanted thought that the CIA backed rebel groups in Miami were being too aggressive. And too uh too provocative, uh too hot headed, you know, doing acts of terrorism and sorts of things that looked bad to the international community. J F K was trying to rein them in.

But the CIA, the careers and folks there, wanted to take a more aggressive posture. And so one of the CIA's key assets and ring leaders had a logistics hub with a massive CIA backed Cuban exile community network at that time in the early nineteen sixties in Miami. uh wanted thought that JFK was being too impatient, too cautious. They wanted to invade basically a section of Haiti. Uh

departing from Miami to use that as a base to then do kinetic attacks against Cuba. The State Department learned that this CIA backed network, led by Orlando Massfer, was going to do this. and stopped it. Well they had a customs and border agent basically who was like manning the docks and caught them as like three hundred of them were, you know, departing to try to take over a part of of Haiti to do this.

And then the State Department directed the Justice Department to pursue criminal charges against Orlando Masfer. in steps the CIA. And you know, if you if you can find this memo, um, you know, it's M-A-S-C-S-C-S-C- Yeah, fur, I think it's F E R R U Rolando Mass Fur. It's uh

There's names on it. I don't know if that's the same thing. That would that would accrue. Uh you can probably also just find it on or just yeah, she would yeah, massive damage. There you go. Estimate of damage which could accrue to CI Miami through prosecution of the Orlando Masfer Haitian Invasion Group. Again, we just learned the existence of this document last year. This is from nineteen the nineteen sixties.

Now, it says the decision by the Justice Department to seek a grand jury indictment against Orlando Masfer and certain of his associates is a potentially explosive matter which could result in extensive damage to CIA activities in Miami.

Recent adverse publicity on the national scene and in the Miami area have added substantially to the already sizable embarrassment potential. Can you imagine what these memos look like for Jeffrey Epstein? Some of the main sectors of danger to CIA equities are described below. Basic national publicity regarding student and foundation topics have already attracted

Attention of the local press to the CI in general. Usually any reference to CI covert activities leads to leads press to check files for references of any such activities locally.

However, before this action could be taken, the story regarding and then he goes over the Pan you know, Pan Am Foundation, the University of Miami, which was w what hosted Jam Wave, the University of Miami Then the CI's largest station house in the world, it was called JMWave, was hosted in a facility off of the University of Miami campus. Uh again the biggest CI station house in the entire world. Uh the CI uh so it goes on to say that uh okay, there have been all these w

The top paragraph is saying, We're under a lot of pressure, Justice Department. Th the public is already losing support for the CIA because of all these other disclosures. And it will be disastrous if you if if you pursue the prosecution of him because Rolando Mass is going to squeal. So I think if you go down to the next page.

Uh as has been the case for the past six years, and then he says basically the CIA has been working with the head of the president and treasurer of the University of Miami. Uh they're extending the the you know uh cooperation and all this. So basically all these touch points that Rolando Massverse network connects to will be exposed and they go over all these what were previously redacted CIA cutouts in the area. And then it goes on the memo says even if the above circumstances do not exist.

Um uh uh we would remain concerned regarding the possible effects of the prosecution of the mass for group. Although no station agents or persons with whom the Miami Station has contractual arrangements are among the persons arrested or those who will be prosecuted, it will be very easy for the defense to drag CIA Miami into the case. The defense has only to obtain testimony, true or perjured.

tr they conceivably true, from one of the defendants or summon as defense witnesses one or more disaffected former agents of the CI station in order to begin a chain reaction. Surfacing such detail and rumor conceiving concerning CI operations against the Cuban target. Given the sizable reduction of infiltration and Production a general feeling of frustration and lack of support for Cuban freedom attributed to passive US policy, um basically saying it would undermine our you know.

entire operation against Cuba and the American people's support for it. If the Justice Department indicts these people who just committed this crime because they can very the their the whole network is CIA and they can just call to the stand that

The their friends and associates had been talking with the CI about this well before they had done it, and that would be a massive scandal. Now that's just one example here. And what goes on to happen is there's a negotiation between the State Department and CIA

about whether to bring the case, how to bring the case, how to shape there's a follow-up memo on this which is totally incredible. I that I think is more the logistics on this. The agreement they reach is that the State Department wins nominally, they do bring the prosecution, but they bring it in a highly limited and tepid way, and they agree to the CI's demands to limit lines of inquiry.

to uh to uh file motions uh against entering anything into discovery that might uh And they agree to have uh CIA general counsel person on the prosecution team in order to personally make sure that the Justice Department stays in line and if something looks like if if the judge grants discovery for something that might reveal the CI's role in it.

d you know, drop that line of prosecution so that it can't be entered into evidence. And this this is this is what you see time and again is the is how these networks get protected, whether it's drug cases, whether it's, you know, uh foreign policy scandal cases, whether it's money laundering cases. I believe in the Mark Rich case, part of the I think his lawyer s uh uh cited at one point.

Or maybe it was a in his pardon application, the work that he had done for for US intelligence services is part of the reason that he should be granted leniency. But the the point I'm getting to here is given Jeffrey Epstein's involvement in the BCCI network.

Given Jeffrey's involvement in the nineteen nineties with all the foreign policy activities happening in the Middle East at that time, given Jeffrey Epstein's, you know, in involvement through You know, the the early two thousands Clinton era and everything. Given his involvement in everything from Israeli to Saudi to British to French high level government officials, can you

Jeffrey Epstein was investigated by the the SEC in the in the nineteen eighties. He was one he was one of the two people uh who part who ran the biggest Ponzi scheme in history at the time uh in the United States, the Towers Financial Collapse. Epstein's business partner goes to jail for like thirty years or twenty years or whatever. Uh but Epstein skates completely free.

Uh Epstein gets involved in this huge fraud in the US Virgin Islands with this, you know, like billion dollar fraud case in the US Virgin Islands, never prosecuted for any of it. Why is that? Well, one is, you know, he may have con we know in the US Virgin Islands case he was sponsoring the campaigns basically of the politicians there. The prosecutor's answer to the politicians could be that.

I would be shocked if there in forty years of this where's Waldo, Forrest Gump, he's always in the room, in forty years of American foreign policy and intelligence. activity, you know, money sourcing for that uh for all the crimes that Epstein committed, the concern was the same one they had with Rolando Mass for Don't bring the case and if you do, bring it in a highly limited way. And that's exactly what happened in two thousand six, the first time he was indicted.

Everybody was up in arms that it was a sweetheart plea deal. It limited y it gave protection to all c co conspirators, known and unknown. Uh and and it was swooped in quickly before you know there was a trial in full. So that lines of evidence couldn't be opened about the network. It's just crazy that statutory rape is what took it all down. Right? Because it's it's underage hand jobs, right? That's what took it all down. Yeah, I mean I it's well it's seems to be what took Jeffrey Epstein down.

Even that is has a really interesting geopolitical history. There was a similar scandal in the early two thousands with a private military contractor called Dine Corp. again runs through this Odon Khashoggi kind of Middle Eastern network. Uh Dynecorp got in trouble. Um for trafficking, uh facilitating the the traffic, it was a you know major US military and CIA contractor for logistics and uh

you know, institutional support and m military assistance, uh, on the ground for the US military all over the world. They got in trouble uh moving basically trafficking underage kids to Middle Eastern sheikhs and I believe the w uh in in the early two thousands and I believe the reason

That they did that was to juice the deals with them. That basically, you know, these uh these people who were critical it's cr you know, if you're operating on the ground in Kuwait or you know Y p pick your Middle Eastern, you know, country. Serve your purpose for the US government to be this

outside, plausibly deniable, but extensively infrastructured professional support outfit on the ground. You need the support of the local government. You need the support of the local high level officials. They need to be happy. And there's several currencies for that. There's financial payoffs and there's other things they might like, like parties and young women. Uh, you know, especially in places where the you know

being with the very young female is not illegal. And so what Dyingcorp I I believe got busted doing and you can look up the Dying Corp scandal here was was doing this And I b yeah, I believe their argument was well well, you wanted us to do this thing on the ground. You wanted us to help the US military and, you know, kind of covert support nodes that were that were happening here. Uh we had to do it somehow. Uh, you know, this is part of what helped us do that.

I would not be surprised at the Epstein trafficking apparatus started uh with similar motivations. Th not you know that it's not for necessarily for blackmail, but because it makes clients or customers or you know VIP people Happy. It makes that it makes them owe you something. It makes them want to get involved in a deal you do, even if the deal is

not one they would ordinarily do because they just want to stay close to you because you're their supplier of the thing, you know, of their vice, of the thing that they, you know, want but can't get. You know, if if you're if you're a A seventy year old billionaire, you can't walk into a bar and w leave aside the the underage thing. You can't walk into a bar, you know, and you know, meet an eighteen year old who's gonna you know

And it needs to you know for a lot of these guys it has to be discreet. You know, they've got wives, they've got reputations. And you know, th there's an aspect of this that plays out at every institution. I I worked at a New York law firm and you know, there's you know, there's there's ways that you can make

Uh, you know, at least this was kind of the vibe that I felt. Like some people make partner'cause they're really good technically at what they do. They're just amazing. They're just technical whizzes. on the minutia of how to structure a merger or acquisition. They you they're just really great at the end of the day.

structuring an offshore banking transaction or they're really they just know absolutely everything about tax law. There's some people who move up because of nepotism. You know, they're the br brother and they're the son in law of of a major partner. There's some people who make partner because they know one they brought in one client who's just a really big main uh rainmaker. And there's some people who move up because

They open doors to partners while they're associates. They introduce them to someone. They host events. They've got, you know, tickets to exclusive things. And the partners just like being around that person because they get access to that person. uh in a currency that they can't get on their own.

And that includes hosting c you know, cool, exotic parties, having, you know, attractive women. I I I've never been convinced that the central role of Epstein young girl f uh uh in my view, sidebar of of the Epstein

money laundering story is uh is that it was for blackmail. Uh I and part of this is because the moment Je Jeffrey Epstein formally Officially threatens somebody with blackmail, and that person tells his wife, and that wife tells her friends, and that gets out to somebody else that knows Jeffrey Epstein. Jeffrey Epstein's access goes away overnight. That's the sort of thing that even a rumor of that spreading

And nobody else is gonna wanna do business with them. So you think people just assume it's black man? Because that is how you would blackmail someone, especially underage girls. I think it is very possible that there could have been indirect blackmail, meaning Epstein passes it on to an intelligence service, to uh you know, to a corporate espionage client or something, um, and they use that

For their own purposes. But even then I I mean imagine for example if you know On the Bill Gates thing, like th there was an e you know, Bill Gates gets an email, I have a video of you sleeping with this person and you know, uh or somebody much lower level. The moment they send that to the press, if you know in order to

They figure they have nothing to lose. I mean, there's not been anybody in the seven years that's transpired who said I've been I was personally blackmailed by Jeffrey Epps. I think 'Cause the moment you do that, nobody comes to your parties anymore. Nobu you lose all the access, you lose all the deal flow. You lose all the goodwill that you've generated because this rumor

People are very risk averse, especially at that level. Right. But just to have it over their head and never use it though. Right. Well, I think w I think that what you could have is

because he does his own nefarious stuff, he could compile it so that if they ever go out if they ever threaten him with something, he's now got something on them. And I've seen some correspondence that you know, in the files that that that looks like that might not be an impossible scenario. Do you think that's how Jeffrey Epstein got in that position in the first place, that they knew he had this kink?

No, not at all. I mean Ada Khashoggi had the same thing. Ada and Khashoggi was running around with dozens of young and you know apparently underage girls it you know the whole time. I think that Jeffrey Epstein probably learned you know, how powerful that can be through through that network. Seeing that that's that's what powerful people do, uh that gives them something that But that's a very specific, illicit desire.

to want underage people. Well, I've very how do you even find out that someone's into that? Well, I don't think that the majority or anything close to it of of the women were

Technically, I think it was largely very young, um, you know, barely legal, so to speak. But uh and I know that there were cases of underage, but I you know, I think Most of it it was just very, very young, but not not like twenty year old type thing. And then yeah, remember because this is an international enterprise and many of the clients are like

uh you know, in countries that don't necessarily have the same norms about that that we do, um, you can very easily see someone getting involved in that just because girls juice deals. And So I I don't think that Epstein I've not seen evidence and y in my view, you don't need any of that to understand the core part of the Epstein story that is relevance to to your life today in terms of your own government and the workings of power and corporate finance and the like.

But I I I do think that girls choose steals and the fact that he had the coolest parties on a private island with the hottest girls. Also brought in a lot of intellectuals, stimulating conversations, scientists, all these very interesting people. So that was part of the thing, right? That was the draw. Try hosting a cool party as a guy.

With that with with a bad ratio, so to speak. Uh Sausage party. With a sausage party. And it when you develop a reputation for having attractive women at the parties you host. you become uh an im you become an im an important person to know in the network because basically every male has that has a desire for attractive women, not saying underage, obviously, but that is like a universal biological desire for men to be want to be around attractive women. And what did they do for gay guys?

I have no idea. Uh is that a part of the file or the the lore? I've not seen evidence of it. I or if if I have, I can't recall it uh off hand. But again, the whole point is he's throwing these very attractive, cool parties to get all these people together. But that's what juices deals. Right. If you

Take this scenario. Um Epstein's running a fund. Um a A donor, a colleague, someone that he'd like to do a favor for, or an intelligence service says, Hey, um We're trying to get a pipeline built in the Middle East.

Um we we need a you know, a facilitator to help arrange private outside funding for it. So this thing can be constructed. And it doesn't look like it's coming from the US government or just w but you know, we'll uh w the US government will provide some sort of loan guarantee or something on it, but we can't raise enough money to do this. It needs to come from the outside, but it would really help American national security, and there's probably something in it for you if you can get this done.

Epstein then goes out and says to um then puts out basically uh tries to make contact with people in his network who might be interested in that deal and then goes on and that see goes out to five people. Two of them are uh you know in the space locally, the the deal terms look good, they want to do it a hundred percent, no hesitation. Um And then two people say, Well, listen, it's a good idea and concept, but I don't know, the risk profile on it looks a little high.

This normally is not would not be something that my team would clear. We uh you know, it's interesting, but you know, I It's just it's a little rich for my blood in terms of the the risk profile. Jeffrey Epstein asked them to do it. And Jeffrey Epstein, you know, for the past three years of their lives, has been the best weekend they've ever had. Has uh, you know, is made them feel alive again in their you know mid fifties or sixties, has uh you know has opened all sorts of other deals.

for you know for them. And this deal might work out. So, uh if I I'm afraid that if I say no to Jeffrey Epstein on this deal, I'm not gonna get an invite to the next party. I'm not gonna be able to get laid again with like, you know

a girl that I f with you know women I find attractive or that you know, yada yada. And Epstein hooks those up. Uh I will do I'll get in on this deal. just because I want to be in the good graces of Jeffrey Epstein, not you know, because the s the deal as a standalone thing, it's because it's juiced by the girls, the parties, the lifestyle that Epstein

But in the public eye the narrative is underage girls. And this is the thing that makes it so disgusting. When people talk about it, everyone says, Fuck kids on the island. This is the this is the

It's a massive manhunt for something that it may be true. To me, it's a it's an it's a needle in the haystack. It might be true. Good luck looking for it. And When I when you when I think about it logically with the role that Epstein played between BCCI, Iran Contra, uh Latin American politics, African politics, Asian politics, major, you know, world foundations on You don't need It would seem ludicrous to me that Epstein Doesn't mean it's impossible.

But logistically, if Epstein ever directly threatened someone

Um proactively. That is, if the person tries to blackmail Epstein, Epstein could r you know, reactively say, Well, I've got I've got shit on you too. But proactively and really, really do someone in like that, and word gets around that that happens. Everything. Everything he built goes at the whole Rolodex finds out. And then even if the rumor's not even if that rumor Isn't even he even if he didn't, if that rumor existed.

people aren't gonna want to go to the parties because uh now that's not like an unfettered good time. That is like, oh, he did this to this guy I know. Right. And uh so And the fact that, you know, these sorts of things they have a value

That well way beyond blackmail. They have they have a value in terms of bringing people in network and keeping clients and customers happy and providing access. And and I think I think that the the focus on that, listen, if there were if there were any sort of receipts whatsoever on that after all these years.

if there was like something really good to chew on on that on that thread, I'm I'm very I'm open minded about it. But my concern is y y the fixation on this You think about the sort of pie chart of what the Epstein Cinematic Universe can tell you about the world.

Even if it's true, it's a very, very, very small fraction of that. And this gets back to in nineteen ninety-nine I I mentioned Jeffrey Epstein foyered the Central Intelligence Agency in nineteen ninety nine for all records about himself.

And then he did it again in two thousand eleven. Now Jeffrey Epstein was not a public figure at all in nineteen ninety nine. He didn't come into public awareness, public attention until two thousand one, two thousand two when he started flying B when he flew Bill Cl Bill Clinton around, post presidency Bill Clinton around.

on his Africa tour around the time of the start of the Clinton Foundation, and everyone was wondering, whoa, who's who's this eccentric billionaire who uh is personally flying around on his private jet the president of the United States for the past eight years. And that's when, you know, the Jeffrey Epstein celebrity story started. But he was a he was a private figure in nineteen ninety nine when he FOIAed the Central Intelligence Agency.

For records and and the and we just learned this in the files this week. The the response We don't actually have the underlying W what's what's in the files is a two thousand eleven FOIA response to Jeffrey Epstein's lawyer. Jeffrey Epstein did this through his lawyer using the Privacy Act. This is a way to basically kind of anonymously FOIA the the CIA to uh

Basically, keep communications between the CIA and your lawyer for information you're entitled to under the Privacy Act about yourself. And we don't have the underlying letter in the file. Tragically and for whatever reason. But we d uh but what we do have, because I would expect that to be an enclosure to the CIA response.

But the fact is is anybody who wants to be a hero right now, and I have it up on my on my X account, I have in the thread that that I did on this the referen the file reference number. These are not classified documents. FOIA responses are not classified. So anybody right now can FOIA the Central Intelligence Agency for all records and communications related to the CIA's Written communications with Jeffrey Epstein via his lawyer, both in nineteen ninety nine and two thousand eleven.

We have received your request for your client Jeffrey Epstein's uh you know uh records search under the Freedom of Information Act. Uh we've granted the request to search for all open and acknowledged agency affiliations between Jeffrey Epstein and the CIA. Uh we have run that search and the answer is no documents are responsive to the request. And that says in the next paragraph with respect to your request to

that touches on classified uh classified documents, we can neither confirm nor deny the existence or non existence of of any such documents. So you can consider this a partial denial of your FOIA request.

Now what's so interesting about that is you may think if you read that, that Jeffrey Epstein uh you know just requested any public facing links between him and the CIA um or uh you know what just a general you know uh what do you have on me that the public can search Just to see first of all, the fact that he did that alone twice in nineteen ninety nine, two thousand eleven says something. But the you might think, okay, well he just wants to know if other people might think that he's

CIA, you know, he's he's moving up in the world in nineteen ninety nine. He's about to be a massive public figure. He wants to know if other people are. And but that it turns out that Response to a FOIA, partial granting of the FOIA to look for open and acknowledged agency links. And partial glomar, uh can neither confirm nor deny existence, non existence, is a stock CIA FOIA response whenever you FOIA the CIA for someone's personnel files.

Which Leads to the question because the fact that the CIA says we we are consider this a denial of your request.

for classified for things that touch on classified matters means that he asked he he didn't just ask for all open and and acknowledged links between the CIA and himself. He asked for something. And whatever that thing was, it touched on something classified. There would have been no glomar if if there would have been nothing to deny about the request if it had only been limited to open and acknowledged links. To me this is a bombshell and should prompt.

Rokana and and Thomas Massey and the four hundred and twenty seven members of the House of Representatives and a hundred percent of the US Senate to pass a uh the same bill that the United States Congress did in nineteen ninety two for for all for the JFK uh You know Records Collection Act, when the CIA was forced by law to stand up an independent auditing body to review all classified records relating to the JFK assassination for the first time ever. and then declassify them.

Over months and years through the work of that independent board. The existence of of this correspondence we just learned about this week alone should prompt a four hundred and twenty seven to one and a hundred percent Senate. To do the same thing they just did with DOJ files for CIA originated files. that's p actionable immediately, who's gonna want to be on the other side of that in Congress?

No, the CIA's records about Jeffrey Epstein, prolific child sex trap wh however you want, you know, whatever you see in the Rorschach Inkblot test of of the Epstein universe. Um I think it would be very hard to be if that bill gets introduced for a sitting member of Congress to be on the other side of it. I think it would pass. And it would legally compel the CIA to turn over what I think are Quite possibly, arguably very likely, forty years. of CIA documents referencing Epstein.

The CI would not be doing its job if it didn't have records about Jeffrey Epstein. Jeffrey Epstein was a counterintelligence threat with all the foreign countries that he was dealing with if if he had been a double agent sort of thing. The CI would not be doing its job if it was not keeping tap. The C Epstein's network was a key financial and logistics hubs in highly geopolitical sensitive areas of operation of the CIA.

The economics division of the CI, let alone, you know, the operations division, is gonna have to, you know, uh keep uh analysts informed about money flows in those countries. And when you add and then you add in the fact that he represented Anand Khashoggi's money, who was the CI's main point person. For ten years, uh the the literal central linchpin and his money is being handled. There's no way. And you would now have a legal mechanism.

to enforce CI declassification if Congress forces it. Now the other part of it is, okay, why hasn't the CI turned this over before? You could argue it's a Orlando Mass for case, it would embarrass the agency, it would mean in Congress their funding is gonna get

Decimated because it they're they're toxic. You can argue it's foreign governments that don't want the th but part of it is the CI is not allowed to do this unless the Congress forces them. These are classified documents. I mean it could uh you know charitably volunteer to OD and I uh by conducting, you know, an internal task force uh that voluntarily y you know, ask Tulsi Gabbard to declassify these. Uh I wouldn't hold your breath on that.

But this is immediately actionable and it would solve the mystery. All we need is one brave member of Congress to get the ball rolling and stand up that bill. And you can just copy-paste the 1992 JFK Records Collection Act and just substitute JFK for Jeffrey Epstein. What's your take on the circumstances around his death?

I don't know. I it's weird that they took a guy who is one of the most high profile defendants ever and you put him in jail with a mass murderer. Yeah. Yeah. Kinda crazy. You put him in jail with a cop who'd killed drug dealers. A juiced up gigantic cop. Yeah. Who was obviously a psychopath. And then eighteen days before he died, he complained that that guy tried to kill him. Yeah. Uh I mean it it it doesn't look good.

It's crazy that the cameras go down. It's crazy that the footage that they've released is weird'cause it's missing it's missing time. And it's crazy that it happened under the watch of an attorney general who himself was so deeply embedded in the Epstein Network his whole life. I mean, from the weird kind of coincidence of Bill Barr's father, Donald Barr, and Jeffrey Epstein's Dalton School, to the fact that Bill Barr

started his career in the CIA during the Iran Contra operation that Jeffrey Epstein was appears to have been doing the covert money laundering for. I mean Jeffrey E Bill Bar was like s seven years uh he went to night law school trained to be a lawyer while he was at the CIA and then his you know main job was being the CIA's blocker and tackler to obst obstruct Uh he was the he was the CI's point of contact to Congress during the Iran Contra scandal that Jeffrey Epstein was so deeply involved in.

uh and was blamed in the press at the time for being the person at CIA blocking Congress from seeing the CIA scan d documents that were so central to the scandal. Then he becomes the Attorney General of the United States and he writes the pardons of the BCCI officials. And who was co leading that investigation, Robert Mueller at the time. This is in the early nineteen nineties, the first time uh Bill Bar. So so you have the B C C I Bear Stern's multi billion dollar operation.

that it appears to me that Jeffrey Epstein was working on and then got took the clients from that deal as his own personal clients when he went private on his own. And Bill Barr is who lets the people from the crooked CIA bank off the hook and then he becomes attorney general again, uh, you know, and in twenty nineteen it's

He's the one in charge of the FBI. The FBI answers to the Justice Department. The FBI is the same relationship with with justice that the CIA has with state. You know, they're the investigative arm of the Justice Department. So, you know, I I I think if I think it's hard to trust anyone on this and I don't know w you know what kind of file set.

the Trump FBI inherited after after all this time. Uh it it's hard to make heads or tails of it. To me, I think getting answers on the things that are immediately actionable

you know getting the CI's direct correspondence with Jeffrey Epstein, you know, that that I mentioned. Uh a a congressional bill that forces that because if it comes out that there are effectively uh in it an entire avalanche Of classified Epstein files, uh dating back forty years, and then you've got the CIA attorney gener it puts these things in a in a very different light depending on whether The thing that has generated so much smoke this whole time, uh the allegation of protection

by US government intelligence and however many others, uh

on physical paper, like we know that the CIA interfered in the Orlando Massford trial, like we know that the CIA contracted out to Mafia Hitman an attempt to kill a foreign president. Like we know that MK Ultra actually was real. I mean these things you can't scale. You know, think of things like a like a Jenga Tower.

If if uh if a foundational peace is not solid you can scale a whole architecture of BS on top of it and if that assumption falls away this majestic looking, you know, tapestry of just years and years of effort collapses because the thing you assume to be true, because it looked like there was so much smoke

To n to know it to be true that that is a solid piece that you can put the next piece on top of. You know, it's um there's that quote ninety nine percent is a bitch, a hundred percent is a breeze.

What does that mean? It means when you're only ninety-nine percent sure of something, you you always have to agonize. Well, what if it's not true? And it and I think it is, and I build all this stuff on top of it. The one percent chance that that's not true means uh it would be a real bitch for this me to spend years of effort on this thing, for me to spend thousands you know, millions of dollars, you know, on this thing when it's based on an assumption that

It was only ninety nine percent likely to be true, but one percent it may have been structured some way different. There might be something I missed in this.

Whereas a hundred percent is a breeze. Okay. It's automatic. You can and Things like this is why document drops like this are so vital. Not even necessarily because they have some single smoking gun that tells you who killed J F K or you know uh w what client Jeffrey Epstein trafficked women to, but because it allows you To put down real Jenga pieces about what actually happened. And that process itself allows you to ask the questions that might get you to those answers.

Um is there anything else you want to add to this? I mean we could kinda go on for days. Yeah. Yeah. I mean you spend so much time on this stuff. How do you have that kind of an attention span? It's kinda nuts. I mean I I follow some of your live streams. I'm like First of all, your recall is insane.

You know, I I heard something once which I think is really helpful. I don't think I'm special in any way like this. I think literally anyone can do this if you just kind of apply this kind of trick. I heard this once, it which is that if you read a history book Don't just read it agnostically. Have a theory in mind about what you think.

this is and how it worked. Even if you are wrong about that theory, what you will find is that names, dates, locations, Your brain will remember them forever because they're not you know, if I'm if I'm thinking about something that happened in You know, uh I don't know, like November eleventh, nineteen eighty three. Okay, if if I see like that date on a driver's license card or something.

And I've no theory of mind. When I see that, I'm not gonna remember that five minutes from then. It's it's gonna be like remembering trying to remember a eleven string, you know, number or like someone's cell phone or something when you don't really know the person or you've never

You know, you haven't dialed it a million times. But if you have a theory of mind that you are indexing those things in relation to, what you find is that your your brain keeps those in that index. So like I yeah, I've joked, like Because we've talked about this Iran-Contra affair, which was really the creation of this Apparatus that we live under today where because the CI got handcuffs put on it.

Everything had to become CIA to get around those handcuffs. The universities had to be, the pr the foundations, the private philanthropic donors, you know, the and this is what happened in the censorship industrial complex. It was all wrapped around this. But What you find is like those dates mean something to you because they're they're placed in relation to something else that happens. Uh

You know, I I joke that like I index things by, you know, Iran Contra often. Like for example, if if there's when I was, you know, studying about B C C I and I learned okay, this happened in nineteen eighty four, I don't just think about nineteen eighty four as a

an abstract thing. I think, okay, well that means it happened after the meeting between Robert McFarlane and Anand Khashoggi, but before the uh you know, the oil pipeline scandal of Ed Meese. And then so I remember that this thing happened on this date because I place it into that index and anyone I I think it's it's a

I think it's something that anyone, you know I think people organically do it when they're really passionate about something. And um, you know, this is an easy thing to be passionate about because It gets to the heart of networks that are the determining power structures of of your life. When you look up and then you look up at the thing that you're looking up at and you look at up at the thing you know above that.

This is this is the network you see, whether it's in intelligence, military, statecraft, high finance, private philanthropies, universities, labor unions, scientific research. Doesn't mean it's h you know, the Epstein network, so to speak, but it's it's this this layer of interconnected human networks. And I think it's an an important history for the American people to have access to so that they can make informed decisions about how they want to change that world.

How they can make informed decisions about what to vote for. They can make informed decisions about what kind of co you know, industries that they're participating in that they might want to see reformed. And uh it's so it makes it easy to be passionate about because if we can if we can get a win here, it'll really change the world.

Well, I think you do a great service and I think your abilities are exceptional. I think you're selling yourself short a little bit, you're being a little self definite. 'Cause it's very unusual what you're able to do. And I I think the just the sheer amount of time that you've invested in this stuff is kinda

Well what would you like to see in this? Like if you if you had a wish list What are the things that are open threads or Well i ch the the real concern with me is that it's unfixable and that this is just a standard way that our government has operated since the nineteen fifties or whenever and it can't and that they'll just gloss over it. A new person will get into office and promise that they're gonna implement some reform and it never happened.

And that we just accept that over and over and over again. That's the real fear. The real fear is that there's a slow capture of our democracy to the point where it's just a mere illusion. That's the real fear. And I think a lot of people think that we've already passed the point of no return on

That's what scares the shit out of a lot of people. And then when you see um things that are happening in other countries Um like particularly England, which is just rampant crackdown on free speech and what the the arrests from people that are posting things on social media sites and the implementations of uh there's a a new thing that they try to do or I think they are doing.

This concept of uh having a limited amount of time so you can drive outside of a zone and after that you have to pay for it. That's a new thing, right? Yeah, I can send you a smart cities type concept. I can send this to you, Jamie, because I just sent it to uh Constantin.

It appears to be real. And it's terrifying. Your carbon budget. Yeah, f that's nuts. Well look at what California's doing right now. What California is doing is um they are taking uh or they're they're moving forward with this, the idea that you have a um

So instead of just taxing gas like they've always done, now they're taxing you on the amount of miles that you drive. Well you're already getting taxed on that. If you're driving more miles, you're spending more money on gas. So you're getting you're spending more money on the money. But now they're taxing on top of that. Which is essentially they're stealing money. Yeah. Um, where can I find it? Uh forward here. Here we go, hold on a second. Jamie, you're on uh you're on signal, right?

Yeah. It is really interesting how that whole thing is. That's it? Oh it doesn't have the link? Okay, hold on. Sorry. Huh. Oh maybe this is it. Hold on, hold on a second. I think there's a really interesting uh underdeveloped history around the origins of the uh climate The two thousand six, two thousand five, two thousand six, two thousand seven really uh Cl global warming, climate kind of policy push from the US government.

that became a runaway train uh as investor money rushed in. I it's my it's my opinion and I'm open minded about it, but it it appears to be the case In my view, after a study of this, uh, that the US government, uh, together with uh foreign allies pursued this kind of, you know Uh demonization of of carbon at a real policy level or hydrocarbon based fuels uh as a It's a kind of geopolitical battering ram against newly resurgent Russia in the mid two thousands.

uh as as Putin was getting power back over a bunch of post uh post-Soviet eastern satellite countries through basically pipeline exploiting his leverage.

uh around pipelines and the fact that, you know, th this is like the John McCain type quote, right? That Russia is a gas station with the military, right? You hear that a lot. You know, Gazprom, the state sponsored uh oil company was effectively the biggest oil company uh in well gas problem was for gas, but RossNeft and Royal Russia had uh at one point the largest oil uh you know, exports in in the world. It was it was the motor engine of their economy, uh oil and gas.

And the olig the relationship between Russian oligarchs and businessmen and Eastern European Russian oligarchs and and businessmen allowed that hydrocarbon based um dependency and financial opportunity to let Putin reassert Russian control over Central and Eastern European countries that n that NATO was trying to, you know, turn into

you know, Western vassal states essentially. So you had this in the nineteen nineties this wasn't an issue because Boris Yeltsin was the president and he was effectively um An adjunctive of the US government was the

incidentally through Larry Summers and the Jeffrey Epstein Harvard network. But uh so there became this push after uh you know, Russia's interventions in Georgia and the like and a a big attack on on a lot of uh uh you know high level Republican well d well basically i I think this push to try to create uh a Shift in the types of energy the world uses was a way to kneecap uh Russia's main source of revenue to ensure that if the Wow. The Eurasia.

The the plan to seize uh political or vassal state control over Eurasia would continue against Putin's new nationalist

uh and global resurgence. And this includes a bunch of crap that happened in 2003, 2004. But effectively then you start to see the US government champion these hydrocarbon policies and you started to see all of these international forums, journals, regulators openly talking uh in this mid aughts period as Russia was starting to reclaim political influence, that uh these climate policies

would be a way to s stop Russian power and influence because it would cripple them economically. They'd have there'd be not there'd be no business, you know, between oligarchs in the different countries for them to even leverage. uh effectively allow us to continue the golden age of the Uniparty nineteen nineties moment. And then you saw all these government subsidies tort to it, you know, uh tax

Benefits, like you know, free money basically. Uh and then it became a runaway as the the market saw that that this was a highly protected incentivized space by the US government. they all flooded into now they've got a sunk cost. If those policies change

you've got trillions of dollars in climate finance globally. Right. And then these start becoming part of like IMF loan, you know, requirements and uh and but now it's like even if the science is completely wrong, uh what started arguably as a kind of, you know, national security

based way to force energy diversification. This is what we we put Europe through, the United States, with the sanctions against Russia. We force them to uh you know divest of of oil and gas and invest in a basket of you know alternative energy, cleaner energy supplies.

Uh but now it's and they and that could be justified at the national security level with the science of this actually being the case, uh so you could sell it to the whole world, uh Even if even if you prove that false, at this point there's there's so much infrastructure built up that um You know, e you have this network. You have the you're you have hedge funds, you know, w you got I mean, Bill Gates has a climate fund.

Al Gore is a billionaire from from this one. Tom Steyr, one of the biggest investors in DNC, the climate impact fund. Michael Bills, who funded uh the CIA governor of Virginia, Abigail Spanbergler. Aaron Ross Powell Right. Well and it's and the thing that's terrifying about it is that It has conjoined the diplomatic muscle of of the American government and whatever allies abroad with

private finance. Like for example, like uh we overthrew the government of Bangladesh in tw twenty twenty four, the Biden administration did. They ran this whole coup, they did it through the National Down for Democracy, uh

CIA cut out and a million other orgs on the ground. It was a color revolution street protest. You know, I think we may have talked about this last time where literally the CIA Socpuppet National Down for Democracy sponsored like rap music videos and y you know, produced them and put'em on YouTube and

Uh, and then worked with the unions, you know, set up like transgender dance festivals to try to get the L you know, the LGBT community, you know, on board against the government. And then You know, giant rights they install, you know, it's effectively a but part of the the thing that they they leaned on in the post transition government is to, you know, agree to these Yeah, basic basically like climate finance reforms and you can

just like the CIA and the oil industry became completely inseparable. Completely inseparable. I mean George Bush, for example, Zapata Energy Offshore in the whole Texas oil thing and uh you know to then becoming the central intelligence agency directly I mean Trump's first Secretary of State was Rex Tillerson. Rex Tillerson never worked in government. The Secretary of State oversees the CIA. He's got the whole CIA portfolio. How's he know? Well, he was the chairman and CEO of ExxonMobil.

You can't the CIA and the US military creates the market. for oil companies. You can't get access to the oil unless you either overthrow a government or support against a insurgency political movement, one that will guarantee you favorable terms, uh, you know, access, yada yada, the whole market. And then the CIA and DOD people will rotate into board seats on those oil companies.

And so it becomes inseparable. And my fear about this is that over the past ten years, the same thing has started to happen with the client the the the sort of, you know, clean energy side of the uh you know, uh of big energy companies. Like in big oil and C big oil and CIA for a century. Now you have like big climate and CIA because there's so much money. It's energy, it's the master resource.

And so now you've got i you know, what appears to me CIA intervention in part like some of these things you have to wonder, why did the Biden CIA try to overthrow the Bolsonaro government in Brazil. This was a pro US uh political party. It was a uh the the person, you know, Lula was tied at the hip with China, divested from all these US contracts, you know, m massively reduced the you know, the the footprint of of US aligned policies in the second biggest country uh country in our hemisphere.

And well, you know, Brazil just announced like this one point three trillion dollar climate finance initiative. And you know all of these p people are All these New York hedge funds and London banks who've skated towards this are are in on that. You have I mean, this is a crazy case. Uh you know, one of the biggest beneficiaries of the post coup Balula's government in Brazil, uh, were all of the uh clean ethanol George Soros is longest standing equity investment.

At that point it was a country call a company called Atticoagra. which did uh clean ethanol uh fuel uh alternatives. The problem is is it's you know, it's part of its business. Part of it is it's not competitive on price with, you know, diesel based fuels. So the only way to, you know, compete and win that market and make millions of dollars is if the government imposes a mandate, a quota that forces people to buy your product.

Well, George Soros co sponsored those CIA adjacent National Down for Democracy operations all over Brazil.

Well, he's, you know, holding an equity interest in the thing that day one, there's an imposed mandate to use those cl those climate products. It's the same thing in Africa. You have like CIA regime changed to force clean energy companies so that the people who sponsor the the the donors who sponsor the politicians who pick the staff of the CIA enacts policies that makes money for those hedge funds invested in in climate finance. So fucked up. I think that's what's happening in California.

Without the regime change element. I think at the kind of you know I I think you have investors who who profit from this and the only way those investments can be profitable is if government imposes mandates, quotas and bans on the on alternatives to that product. I mean that's kind of the way the vaccine market works. Do you get that link? Yeah. Um Yeah, just play it.

little 15-minute city and they are now charging people for leaving the city. You get a hundred free days. They call it a free day. You get a free pass to leave the 15-minute city. And if you exceed your hundred free days, You have to pay the US dollar equivalent of ninety three dollars per day.

And if you live outside of the 15-minute city and you want to travel into the 15-minute city, you get 25 free passes. Free move oh there the government's giving you free movement capability. You get 25 free passes. And if you exceed those 25 days. It's ninety three dollars a day. And how are they tracking all this? Oh there's not a man at the gate. They're not Writing up tickets or having police officers set up. Oh no, they are monitoring you with digital AI surveillance.

And cameras. And then they're automatically finding you. This is why we have to be against the flock cameras in the United States. They're not just speed trap cameras. This is why we have to be against the Palantir Hole of Government database.

This is why we have to stand up and raise awareness and bring attention to these matters instead of arguing with each other and NPCs on the internet over left versus right issues or my side, your side. They are keeping us artificially divided because they are setting up this infrastructure in the United States.

Right now. Divide and conquer. We are in the division part of the divide and conquer agenda. Conquer is next. You think it's bad now? Wait till you have to pay$100 a day to leave your 15 minutes in. Right. So only rich people are gonna be able to afford that it's just like the meat thing, right? It's like you know, the you're you're

the irony of, you know, Australia being a prison colony and now you've got uh now it's like the homeland in the UK. But I mean look, the the UK just got rid of like jury trials for a lot of cases. And yeah uh you know has Twelve thousand speech arrests a year and some people arrested for what seems like even holding up their own country's flag at an opportune moment or silently praying. And uh, you know, we we we need to liberate the British people. I I mean it's it's it's unbelievable that

I mean th they call it perfidious Albion, right? British statecraft has been so pernicious to the American people in the past decade. Uh it was uh Russia Gate. The the entire three year special prosecutor saga was because of a British spy Christopher Steele and and a and An Iran Contra veteran Stefan Halper residing abroad at Cambridge to kick that off. And then The the British government conspired with the Biden administration to create uh to to can join the US UK censorship industrial complex.

Uh America First Legal, Stephen Miller and Gene Hamilton's um non nonprofit law firm they started obtained these incredible documents. Uh that showed a a planning meeting between the British government and the Biden administration

uh attended by the CIA, the National Security Council, USAID, hosted at the White House and it was the British the UK Digital Commission Uh they brought a huge slide deck of all of the ways that their new censorship law, what's today called the online service uh online safety act, the OSA. um would effectively help throttle misinformation in the United States. Like basically it was like Uh you scratch your back, our back we'll scratch yours and it was this

You know, US Democrat Party, UK Labor Party Alliance. Meanwhile, the Biden government was paying British censors. They the Global Disinformation Index, which killed like the ad you know, revenue for like they went after like Daily Wire, Federalist, a million conservative news sites and social media accounts, you know, went after the social media platforms in the United States. They're British.

black ops by their own language. But what they were funded by our government to censor our voices but laundered out to the UK. And I think we need to fundamentally uh restructure that special relationship. We've had that relationship for a long time, totally unquestioned. Uh I

We can't farm that out. We c and if if that's not if that's not addressed and we don't fix that relationship, uh I think you can't really fix our own system unless we You know um, cut out some of the poison that we inject from the outside. Oh Mike we gave room. People a lot to go over. Almost too much.

You uh if anybody wants more, uh your X account is amazing. Uh you're you're tireless. I don't know how you do it, but uh thank you for doing it. Uh I really appreciate you and I appreciate you coming on here. Uh thanks so much for having me. Uh Nothing but fun from here. I mean look.

It's fun. I mean th guys, or the world is opening up and we are seeing behind a looking glass where there has been a veil of secrecy for sixty years about some of these things, for ten years about some of these things. So don't get too blackpilled. This is something has happened that has never happened before and you are alive to experience it. So Try and enjoy the ride.