Joe Rogan podcast, check it out! The Joe Rogan experience. They changed my minds. Changed my mind. What did Charlie say? Prove me wrong or something like that? My understanding was that Responsibility for what happened with Kirk because Is he the Masad? What's that? Is he the Mash? Is he the Masab? Yeah, exactly. That's so funny.
I don't know. Let's k you got you got Kansas' number, we can ask her. We can ask her. Kansas is getting uh she's getting dragged on Twitter today because uh she's like I've I've lived in Connecticut. I've never seen this much ice on trees. And uh it's thirty degrees out and everybody's like, Yeah. Thirty is freezing. Absolutely. Yeah, it's so funny. Do you see all the Miss Cleo memes?
Oh it's so funny to me. Miss Cleo. You remember you don't remember the Miss Cleo? Oh the psychic? Yeah, the psychic. They keep on putting the Miss Cleo memes out for Candace because she's a psychic, you know. That's hilarious. It is funny. I think this lighter just shit the bed.
Well Candace has painted herself into a weird corner where everything has to be a wild conspiracy. Like it has to be Bridget McCron's a man. Oh yeah, it's Erica Kirk killed Charlie. It ha it has to like one up the last one, you know? Yeah.
I uh I was it's really funny you came to the same conclusion that I did. So it's like I've seen those conspiracy channels come up before and then they g they come up and then they crash out and the reason is is because like w for her I think she she had the whole like Uh she was involved with this, right? She was involved intricately with with Kirk. She knew him. Yeah. And so that give gave a lot of credibility to a lot of the things that she was saying.
But then once you start moving back into like Mandela effect stuff and and you know, time travel and this and that. Yeah, people are like I mean you could do that if you're that guy, if you're Art Bell. You know, if you w Well you know but Bell I I I remember l I used to listen to Bell all the time. Oh yeah. You remember that intro? Boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom Yeah so he The kingdom of N Yeah. I remember I remember listening to him uh for years.
Yeah, when I drive around with my dad. He was a Like it was a big deal. And I remember the very first episode I heard from him it was something about the NIM. It was like What's the NIM? The NIM were like this guy called in, he was a time traveler. Right? And he came back in time because His whole his his whole thing was like he had to stop the weathered patterns from destroying the future because the Nym, an alien race of Greys, had come
And they were heating up the planet slowly to change it to be the conditionals that were necessary for them to then live on the planet. And you know, Art Bell, he's always playing into it with the lunatics, you know, and he's like And does the CIA currently know that you're there doing this? You know? And the dude's just like Oh yeah, art would give you all the rope. Oh yeah. You could call up art I'm a werewolf. Interesting. Yeah.
Oh did you ever hear the Bigfoot episode? No. Oh my god, that's the funniest episode you'll ever hear. So Redneck calls into Art Bell and talks about how he killed Bigfoot and where he buried it. And the guy has it's like I don't know if it was early trolling. Like before trolling was trolling, but it was like this guy
He was like, Yeah, mm you know, me and Timmy, we uh we took him out back there, we shot him right in the chest twice and uh there was some youngins and they spread out a little bit and then we you know, we packed up the big foot and buried him in the backyard. Yeah, and Bell's just like and You said there was youngins. The Bigfoot people are the weirdest.
Duncan Trussell and I went uh hunting for Bigfoot once. We did this uh I used to do this TV show for a while called Joe Rogan Questions Everything and I'd be like, all right, tell me about Chemtrail. You know, and I'd go meet with all the loons and all all the all the people that are like really involved, UFO, anything like that. Yeah. And we went and hung out with the Bigfoot people. So we went Bigfoot hunting for like two days in the Pacific Northwest and talked to all these people and
They're all like the same person. I I just said it's like a team of unfuckable white guys. It's like that's what you find. Like these guys are just like they found their calling. It's just like looking for a mystery in the woods that you'll never solve. Well the there was a guy I used to have on your podcast and he was he was huge for a long time. And I think it still is. It's uh remember those missing cases? Mm hmm. Right? That was that's a big deal.
And I was always like anytime I heard anything about that, I always was enthralled with it because some of the stories were demented. Yeah. You know, like kids appearing five hundred miles away and all this. But that guy always had you edged because people would always go, What do you Missing one.
Twitter. Yeah. Yeah. He but he'd got all the park records, you know, and he started going through and he was like, uh there's some really weird stuff going on here for how many people were missing in national park. There is there is, but the reality is if you die in the woods, you get consumed pretty quick. That's the reality. That's why you don't find mountain lines.
Mountain lions are a real thing. I've never found a down dead mountain lion skeleton in all the times I've been hunting. Never, not once. You'll find uh elk bones, you know, you'll find stuff like that. I found some coyote coyote skeletons before out in the Nevada desert. But mountain lions are a real thing. You very, very, very, very, very rarely find a dead mountain line. And there's so many of'em. Now think about how few people actually go like hiking
Into the deep wilderness. Your body just gets consumed. Sure. You know, there's so many animals that come along rather All kinds of things, eat your bones. Well that's a free meal. Yeah, it's so easy and they can smell it for miles. Sure. Bears. Yeah. Anywhere there's wild pigs and then then it's over. Then there's
Yeah, they can spell that stuff for miles. But it's like people always want to attach some crazy, deeper, weird m you know, UFO Bigfoot meaning to it. It's like no, that's you're in the wild. And nature has a whole plan for dead things and it does a really good job of well that's the thing, if you live out in the country it's
You see this all the time. Uh, you know, raccoon will be around getting in someone's trash, they'll walk out, bam, raccoon's done. They just go throw it in the bushes. Mm-hmm. You don't need that's it. That's it. Problem problem solved. Problem solved and it disappears quickly and the plants consume it and that's it. It rots and
It doesn't even take that long to rot. It's pretty quick. It's pretty quick. Have you ever seen like those time lapse photos where they take a dead animal and they let it sit there and you watch it get consumed by maggots? It's very quick. Yeah. So these poor people that go hiking, you know, like if you go hiking and you're by yourself and you break an ankle and you're fifteen miles in and you don't have a compass.
And you're kinda like roughly judging which hill you came over and there's a lot of people that just get ahead of themselves and they really shouldn't be that far out there and they just die.
Happens all the time. Yeah. You know, so like this idea that it's like there's you could If you look at all the data and y you try to find a pattern to it and you start imagining that there's some grand conspiracy, there's some watcher in the woods that's consuming people, some demon that's out there, you can I think the popular theory is it's wildmen. Oh wild men. Wildmen. Oh like humans? Yeah. Well or some human variant.
That are That's what this guy, this four one one guy believes? I'm not sure because he won't say they don't a he doesn't he doesn't actually give his here's what I think is going on but people ask him and he's like Well I have my theories but he never tells you actually what the theories are you know I wonder why he doesn't want it. This episode is brought to you by Life Lock, New Year, New You. We all know the saying, and I think it's a good thing.
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Yeah. Maybe it'd be huge. Yeah, like those guys that used to be in the nineties who were saying that we were going underground and killing the Nephilim. Oh yeah, those guys were great. They're you're going down and it's like, man, and they were giants. They had three rows of teeth and their special forces are going down there and taking'em out.
Yeah, there's a whole group of people that believe that there's underground creatures that live underground and come out at night and there's always been like Cryptids. Yeah, whatever they are. You know, people some people think the greys live underground. You know it's like there's not a lot of mystery left You know, outside of places like the Amazon, the Congo that are
Maybe ocean depths. Yeah. Ocean depths for sure. That's like the whole new unexplored frontier, right? It's ocean depths. Yeah. I'm like, that doesn't exist. And I look at it, I'm like, wait. That exists. I saw one the other day. It tweeted out. I was like, the Mandela Effect has to be real. It was a it's called a Siberian mule deer. You ever seen a Siberian mule deer? No. They have fangs. Oh right. I I have seen a fanged deer. I forget what they call it. Apparently that's the uh
You know do you know what elk ivories are? Yeah. Yeah, that's it used to be like a tusk. Like way, way back in the day. It's so retarded looking, dude. Yeah, the the fang deer, yeah, they're weird. It's very strange. I wonder what they... Yeah, well there's vi I found a video'cause I was like, No way, dude do these things exist. I thought I was being memed, you know. So I would look and this thing is real. So I found a video of'em fighting.
And they use those things as weapons. Oh, that makes sense. That's the only thing that makes sense. Like gorillas. The gorillas don't eat meat. Yeah. They have these massive You know it's nature's weird.
So much variation, you know. There's so many different types of life. And that the fact that they all sort of Synchronize like this one eats that one and that one eats this one and this one i lives there and that one lives it's like it's very fascinating when you really look at the just a v wide variety of the uh. Well most people don't know anything about it. Like most people have never ev we live in such a comfortable world that is completely guarded from everything that's out there.
And it's like if if people had a taste of out there. Yeah. I think that the world view of many, many people would change very quickly. Especially feminist. I think that feminists would immediately stop being If they just had a taste of like, well, you know, people you actually did have to shut themselves up at night from wolves. Yeah. That was a real thing. Wolves would come in and eat you. And so you would shut yourself in so that that didn't happen. Well that's gone so far the other way that
Fucking retards are bringing wolves into places. It is so dumb. You know, I have a good friend Didn't they take it over like in in Yellowstone or someplace? They reintroduced wolves and it just decimated the deer population. The elk population. But that's actually arguable that that might have been a good thing. Um, in some ways because it was getting to elk need natural predators and mountain lions can only kill so many.
Yeah. Um, but what's really interesting is mountain lions kill way more elk when wolves are around.'Cause the wolves find the mountain lions and take their elk. And so then the the mountain lions have to go kill another deer. Why why like just issue more hunting elk permits though? Like why do that? Well, you have to have some natural predator.
in in a good healthy ecosystem. And there's a good argument particularly in Montana that at one point in time it had gotten to a a a point where you're gonna have like rampant disease. Because they were they were issuing these uh they're issuing like unlimited or a large amount of tags for people in the mid winter so that you can catch these elk in deep snow and just peck'em off because they were having so many.
And that they c they weren't sustainable, that they were hitting these massive populations. So their populations are down to like I wanna say less than forty percent of what they were at their peak when they brought in the wolves. But the problem is these wolves, like what they did in Colorado recently is the dumbest of all time because they brought these fucking wolves outside of Athens.
And they took wolves from Washington State, Washington State or Oregon, but whatever it was, these these wolves from the Pacific Northwest were wolves that already had been killing cats. So they captured these wolves instead of killing them and then they relocated them to Aspen, where they're killing cats. So they they relocated him onto my buddy's ranch.
Like there's five of them. And he had a cattle ranch, did he? He didn't have he doesn't have cattle on his ranch but his fucking neighbors do. Okay. And his neighbors are losing cattle left and right. And he's and so now they've killed off a couple of them and they're trying to It was a disaster and it's because the governor the governor's husband, he's a uh wildlife lover and he thinks it would be amazing if we had wolves. You ever talk to those little deer hunters in Michigan?
In Michigan? Yeah, they've been pissed off for like every deer hunter I know in Michigan has been pissed off who's a native for years because they all they all used to shoot pheasants. That was the big deal in Michigan was Pheasant. Mm-hmm. And then here's the story I heard. I don't know if it's true or not. Um but the DNR, the Department of Natural Resources, imported a bus a bunch of Western coyotes in order to thin out
the deer population, because the deer population was basically mangling all these farm crops. Oh. And those w now that's an all you can eat buffet for a coyote in Nevada, these groundbirds that are just these fat fat little groundbirds and they decimated the population. So you you'll talk to these old deer hunters. Have you seen any pheasant? No shut up Shut up. The interesting thing about that though is pheasants.
That's not a natural North American species either. They brought those fuckers over. I mean they are delicious. Yeah. And it's fun to hunt them. Well they would always just walk those train tracks, those old abandoned train tracks. They'd have the dogs, dogs kick up the pheasant, they'd shoot'em from the track, dog would ring it up. That was like a Michigan pastime. Not only that, they're in virtually every city in
Well well they've been wiping'em out in Michigan pretty good in the rural areas. Oh yeah. Well what they do now is they have the GPS trackers to put'em on the dogs. Uh all boys will get in with AR fifteens. Those dogs will run'em for two hundred miles and then they finally take a shot and they just will do that all winter long. That's good, but it's hard to wipe them out because what they do is you know when you hear coyotes calling, it's like roll call.
Like when they're they're letting sometimes there's a lot of confusion to what they're doing. Some people think that they're letting the other coyotes know that they've killed something, that we have food. But it's also a roll call. And when one of the coyotes is missing, the females have more puff. Really? Yeah, some weird natural reaction. Also, their natural enemy is Grey Wolf.
And when um they evolved they evolved to when the grey wolves kill them, because the the grey wolves don't breed with coyotes, but coyotes do breed with red wolves. That's why you have these like koi wolves on the east coast. 'cause the coyote is a wolf. It's a wolf. It's just a small wolf. And so their natural inclination is when they're getting chased, they move to a new area and then they have even more pups. So that's how they've spread out through the entire
So if you go back to like the turn of the century, like the nineteen hundreds, coyotes were exclusively a western animal. Yeah. Now they're in New York City. Yeah, they're everywhere. Just it's crazy. They have'em in Central Park. They have fucking coyotes running around Central Park. Some lady this morning posted on X uh a mountain line in San Francisco sitting on a porch in the city of San Francisco. A big one, just sitting there.
Just having a good time. Well that's just because California has the dumbest fucking law Well, they have terrible gun laws too. They have terrible laws. They have terrible laws. They have terrible laws, period. They have terrible laws, t terrible everything. Terrible politicians. Yeah. You know what's a shame too? Like I grew up in Santa Rosa. And um that's the most beautiful area
The Napa Valley area. It's the most beautiful area on planet Earth. The weather's always perfect. It's January fifteenth. It might as well be July fifteenth. Right? It's always perfect. It's always gorgeous. They fucked it all up. They fucked it all up. Yeah. And they fucked it up real bad too. Oh it's un almost unfixable now. Especially like the San Francisco area. Like the whole Pacific Northwest is almost unfixable.
It's like they double down and they keep going. Like Seattle now has a communist mayor. Who's been living with their parents? They all got communist cares.
Black Lives Matter had they were their head organizers, they were communists, avowed communists, like until it came to buying property with Black Lives Matter money. Yeah. What's happening with that? Well then they're then they're very much capitalistic. How come they're not in trouble? I don't Like they spent millions of dollars of that money. There's only one UFC three twenty-five this Saturday and on DraftKings Sportsbook, the number one sportsbook for live betting.
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What's going on? No idea. I have no idea why well, I don't I don't know why the the heads of many of these organizations aren't being rounded up and summarily arrested. Yeah. I mean I've we're watching these I've been covering the the riots nonstop. Mm-hmm. I'm sorry, protest. The the completely organic protests which are com totally organic. Um
And it's been interesting to watch. I was watching one the other day. We were live and it was Don Lemon and he had showed up in Minnesota. And the first thing Don Lemon does I hate Don Lemon, by the way. But first thing one of the dumbest motherfuckers that has ever gotten on television. He's terrible.
First thing he does, he gets he drives up in this car, he's in the back seat and he jumps out of the car and he has this shit eating lemon smile on his face, you know, and he runs over with Starbucks. to these people and he's like, Here you go. Yeah. And then he jumps back in the car, right? And they drive off.
Now here's here's what's interesting about this. He comes back and he's in there with the protesters, you know what I mean, and he's interviewing them. Most of the protesters say we're coming from out of town. We're from this state. I'm from two states away. I'm from three states away, you know, for this totally organic protest. Well, the cops what they start doing, they have these guardrails on the the sidewalk in front of the iceberg.
And there's gaps inside of that barrier. And so they pull their police cruisers in just to fill those gaps so that they stay behind the barrier. And Lemon's like, Why would they do that? Why would they why would they keep us compressed, uh, you know, behind this barrier? And I'm thinking, because you just stopped your car in the middle of the street to run across the road and give these guys Starbucks, you idiot.
You know, they wanna keep the roadway clear so that they can get their people in and out. You literally stopped your car in the middle of the road, ran across the street to give these people Starbucks. And then got back in your car and you're like, Why why is it that they're trying to kid keep us from getting into the road? You know? I'm like, What are you talking about?
I just couldn't believe I was like, What? It's amazing when these people that are so smug, uh well, they're protected by a large organization by CNN And then they get fired and then they get they're they're basically like like a dog, like Carl getting released into the woods. And then they have to fend for themselves. And you see them in the world of podcasting where you don't have anybody writing things for you and you have to express your own opinions. You're like oh
This is the real year. It turns out you're a moron. Whoa. You know, the whole time, Maggie's thinking the whole time, uh, you know, I never thought I'd be an entertainer. I didn't think I'd do anything with podcasts. Never. Never in a million years. I never would have thought that. You were uh were you an engineer or a robotime? Robotics mechanic, yeah. A robotics mechanic. Yeah. How did you get involved in that? Uh well I was uh I was a gunsmith for years.
And um there there's no real applicable skills outside of that for anything actually. There it doesn't really carry over in anything. It's really its own thing. You know, blueing, things like that. It just doesn't carry over. Um a friend of mine said, hey, look, because I told him I was like, I need a job. Um, you know, I I'm I'm not making it. What do you what do you think? He's like, you know, you should apply to be an industrial mechanic.
And I was like, I don't know much about it. You know, he's like, Well just go apply. So I did, took an aptitude test and so uh the guy was like, Well, I wanna hire you at a level three which was high high you know, it was like mid range, wasn't the highest, wasn't it Damn, okay. You know, what's the pay? He's like, it's like thirty an hour. You know, that to me was was life changing.
So I took the job and I got I didn't know what the hell I was doing, but they trained me up well and then um there were some robots on the floor and I started working on those and then from there they trained me in robotics. And so uh it was it was all done on some. Like what kind of o automation? Like automation, yeah. Automation and it was all food related. Food related. Mm-hmm. All food robots, yeah.
So we weren't dealing with Johnny Five. We were dealing with like vacuum systems and ovens and uh various robots which were associated with those. Like for instance there was a packaging machine that would j all it would do is form boxes. That's it all it did. It just f that's it. But it would form, you know, a thousand boxes a minute.
And it was a it was a giant robot and it had a huge sequence of functions on it. You know, when people think robot they always think humanoid. But almost no robot is is in any way humanoid at all. You know, they're they're that's just not what they're for. It is weird, right? That we think of robots as like movie robots. We think of iRobot. Yeah, if I if you came across a robot in a factory, you would have no idea it was a robot. You'd be you'd be like, what the hell?
So how did you go from that to debating people online? Uh COVID. So the yeah, the lockdowns happened and I was laid off. The all the food plants in Michigan were shut down, especially the meat plants, and that's where I was. I was in the meat plant. And uh and they all shut down be because of the draconian restrictions of one Gretchen Whitmer. And um anyway, while she was out with you know, on a boat partying with uh
you know, with her honey, we were all uh locked out of work, right? So yeah, we had the stay at home orders and I would argue with these dumb liberals on Facebook and uh and they And so I started crashing their panels and I would debate with
And um, you know, I had a lot to say. And those things started to become more and more popular and they would move over to YouTube, people would clip it, and then I started getting invited on to do debates with other people and I didn't know who these people were. It wasn't my world.
Like I didn't know who any of these podcasters were, you know, stuff like that. I'd listen to it maybe occasionally online, but like I I I couldn't have told you who like Vosh was or Destiny or any of these pe like I didn't know who any of'em were. Um and I didn't care. To me it was just some other dumb smug liberal, you know. So um that's where I got my start.
I never would have foreseen at all that I'd be sitting here with you. That's so inter well, I never would have foreseen I would have been here either. It's weird, huh? Yeah, oh it's weird. Very weird. And I'll never get used to it.
Fucking nobody, you know what I mean? But it's nice to meet ya, you know. You shake their hand, you have a chat with'em. Uh I'll never get used to it. No, you probably shouldn't. It's probably better to not get I'm not used to it. Yeah, yeah. It's probably better to not be used to it. Keep you sane. And maybe keep you humble.
Yeah. Th you need something. You need something to keep you humble. We all know people that did not have something that kept them humble and they lost their their way. The wheels fall off. Yeah, they lose their marbles. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Especially as you get more and more famous. It becomes more and more unmanageable. I was I feel like I I'm pretty well grounded uh due to the fact that uh
I didn't come from a political background. There's no famous people in my family. You know, there's just none of that. And so I feel like the the grounding's always there because uh, you know, even even from the family you get the call like
From f from my brother, for instance. Like he's been calling me the I don't know if you could say the F slur here so I won't, but he's been calling Yeah, Faggot. He's been you know, he's been like the the phone call since I was fifteen. What are you doing, Faggot? Has not changed.
Good. It has not changed, you know. So forty two is a happy birthday, faggot. That's normal. Yeah. I remember you were having a conversation, I think it was on Pierce Morgan, who was the the best cat wrangler in the business.
That's what he does. He cat wrangles. Yeah, I just talked to him briefly. Is he okay? On it well, that's what I asked him. I just uh yeah, I sent him a DM and I was like, But people don't know, he fell. Yeah, he fell. And really fucked himself. And it was the hip. Yeah. And at at his age, the hip You know, you don't wanna you nothing with the hip. Every time I see anybody who's sixties, mm-hmm. They get the hip injury.
Th it's it's bad. Yeah. It's not good. I think they they think your lifespan uh post hip surgery is like ten years. Yeah, it's right. And that w he'll probably be better than that. He will. And I think he's mobile.
Oh, that's good. He's mobile, but I'm really good at hip replacements now. I was like, What's you know, are you are you doing he's like, Yeah, you know, I'm I'm doing okay and and I was like, Don't fuck around with the hips, dude. It's crazy that he had to have a hip replacement. Like, how bad was that fall? Uh yeah I don't know. I don't know what the details of it were, but I felt like a sack of spuds, he wrote. Wound up needing a new hip after fracturing the neck of his femur.
And is recovering from surgery. In addition to being on crutches for six weeks, he won't be allowed to take any long haul flights for at least twelve weeks. He tripped on a small step inside of a lust l a London restaurant. Revolting in the tumble. You think he was drunk? He could have been a little fired up. A little drunk. Was also s you know not the most fit or agile guy in the world. True.
Yeah. He's only two years older than me. No way. Yeah. Really? Mhm. Yeah, damn. Yeah. Some people don't take care of themselves. He got the crack yeah, I gotta quit these. But yeah, he got the crack on the on the hip and I was like, Man Do you think that American spirits are better than Marlborough's for you? Probably. Yeah. But they taste like shit. Do they? Is there a difference? You really like the Marlboro taste? You don't think you'd get used to American spirits? I think I could.
Um I've been trying the cigarellos. Those have been helpful. Like the little mini cigarette cigars. Oh yeah. Ron White used to smoke those. Yeah. He just quit totally. He went to a hypnotist, quit instantaneously, but those are loaded with Nicotine. Like way more nicotine than a cigarette. He was smoking those little tins. We have those. What are those tins, Jamie? Do you know what they are? It's like a c uh like a famous cigar company.
of these little tiny cigars. And it's great if you don't have the time to smoke this. Like you get out of a flight, you just want to have a a small but he inhales these motherfuckers like a cigarette. That's brutal, dude. That'll do you in. And then washes it down with whiskey. Well, he doesn't drink anymore either. He quit drinking. Yeah. That was always in his bit though. He was always up there smoking and drinking. And I always thought
It was Well he did it. He did it till the wheels fell off. And then um the drinking was the big one. You know, he went to a doctor and the doctor's like, You're gonna die. Yeah. Like your liver On alcoholics too, they have it. Like real alcoholics. That's no way to live. No. I mean, uh, they stink. They they're like I mean, kinda everything about a real alcoholic is just they look completely unwell. They're just kind of mangled, you know. Yeah.
It's a weird disease too, uh in that that addiction is one that you can't You can't just cold turkey. Yeah. You'll die. You'll die. There's only a couple of things that'll just kill you if you quit right away. And alcohol's one of them, which is really crazy because it gets integrated into your biological system.
Yeah, they've been weaning people off alcohol with beer for centuries. Is that what they use? Beer? Yeah, they used beer. They would just go, okay, and well, it was pretty common to drink beer and ale with dinner. Right. They just wean you off with beer.
They knew. They knew that uh hundreds of years ago there's books on and uh how alcohol you know, what are they c consumption or whatever they called it, uh that it killed you if you just if you just quit if you were an alcoholic, and so they'd wean you off with beer. 'Cause you would imagine like fermented things like w
that people consume. I think it's been around for thousands we I mean several thousand years. I wonder. I wonder like how they figured it out. I mean the biggest the biggest uh what was it the biggest distributor in Europe? Of wine was the Catholic Church. Well wine has certainly been around forever. But like what about hard liquor? Jimmy, put that into our sponsor, Perplexity. When was the first uh what known I mean we don't really know'cause there's so much weird shit about history.
But like what was the first in like documented hard liquor, like whiskey, vodka, shit like that. That's the t that's the stuff that kills you. If you die from beer, boy, you you're fucking you're going hard. Like Shane Gillis will sit here on a podcast and drink sixteen Bud Lights. Um first alcohol drinks were fermented things like beer, wine, mead, okay. Thousands of years before true liquor. Okay. First leck recognizable liquor appears when people begin to distill.
Archaeological evidence shows fermented drinks, okay that's around seven thousand BCE. So clear of as of true alcohol distillation, Chinese rice beer distill distillates. by about eight hundred B C E. Yeah. So a couple thousand years. Couple thousand years, yeah. Yeah. Alcool. Oh, interesting. Using the term alcohol, the root of alcohol.
Well and they used they used alcohol's base for for alchemy too. That was a base for trying to transmute metal, yeah. I wonder if they were ever successful. They were never successful. Nothing. It seems like a crazy thing to waste so much time on trying to turn lead into gold. I mean, there th th there was whole kingdoms spent trying to figure out how to do this. Wow. And it's just like and they never I mean you think about it, it makes sense, right? If you're the first one
If you're the one who knows, like you can just create as much wealth for yourself as you want. Oh yeah. And uh There was tons of frauds who were alchemists who, you know, there were the that centuries version of a snake oil salesman, you know. Yeah, of course we can We can turn and there there was ones even in the nineties who were like we can now turn, you know, base metals into gold. I think there's something now where they can make some gold.
But I think it takes an incredible amount of energy and costs more to make than it's worth. Right. I think it's one of them deals. Is that a fact? I feel like I've read something like that fairly recently. But it's a weird. Why gold? Like why does anybody give a fuck about this metal that you can't even use? There's not much of it. Right. That's true. There's very what they're saying is um ninety percent of all the gold ever discovered still on circulation.
Right. Yeah. Well, China just found a a huge vein of gold, uh an enormous amount. But I mean when you say enormous, it's like relative. Yeah. Because I think the entire world supply of gold will fit inside of a football field. Yeah, there's not much of it. Yeah. It's very I mean, and very little of it is worth a lot. I mean, even if you think a pirate's treasure chest, you know, it's not actually that much gold. Right.
So it's uh yeah, it's a box of gold as opposed to like a you can't do with other metals. It's the same thing with silver, you know, silver scientists mimicking the Big Bang accidentally turned lead into gold. Yeah, so this is the thing. But I mean, again, I think mimicking the Big Bang, like what are they using? A particle collider? Like what are they doing?
Okay, well how'd they do it? How to steal a proton? Protons found the nucleus of an atom, so extremely small amounts, in fact a total of some twenty nine trillionths of a gram. Okay, smashing lead atoms into each other extreme so it is a particle collider. Uh the uh working on the Alice experiment and the large hadron collider. Yeah, there it is. In Switzerland inst
Incidentally produce small amounts of gold. That's all. No big no big deal. You just build it into a whole mountain. And now they're building a second one, they said. Building into a new mountain. Right. Well, there was one they were putting the during the Clinton administration, they were building a particle collider somewhere in the middle of America. Trying to figure out where it was. I'm certain there's already more than one. Oh, there's many particle colliders.
That are even probably larger and hidden than the one that's currently there, yeah. Really? You think so? Yeah. Oh for sure. What do you think they're doing with'em? Well, I mean, the military applications for that are Like very normal. The idea that
uh you could make like some kind of particle weapon, you know, or something like this. Oh, right, right, right. Um Yeah, there's no way that the that the US military is gonna let scientists have a gadget like that somewhere that they don't have complete control. No way. I wonder, because I I I don't know what kind of military applications you would have for particle collider.
You've got a giant loop and you're slinging. Smashing things together, right? Yeah. So what I mean, what do you do? You can smash things together, you can make'em go boomy boom, right? Kind of. Well the real concern with the large hadron collider is they were gonna create many black holes that were gonna eat their way through the earth. That you wouldn't be able to stop them. They would just like slide through the earth.
Yeah, I heard that. I heard they were concerned they were gonna open up a portal to a different dimension. I've heard like I've heard uh all sorts of things. Yeah, we changed our timeline. We're on the new timeline, you know, the uh the the whole nine yards. I th I've I've heard it all. I'm just saying that anything it's just been my experience.
Lo when I look through the historic record that if there's any scientific gadget out there that looks like it has the potential to make something go boom, the United States military has a version of it somewhere. That makes sense. But for whatever reason they abandoned this one During the Clinton I don't remember
why they abandoned it, but you could people can, if they have access to the area where it's at, can still go inside of it and see like what they started to build but they never did. But it would have been larger than the large Hadron Collider. I wanna say it's in Georgia. I don't remember though, but it's uh it was gonna be an enormous particle collider. Yeah. And for some reason they just stopped funding to this thing.
But funding another another one that's twice the size of the one that they have now. More particles together. What do they try to do? I have no idea. Like that is way outside of of my domain. Um I can tell you I probably the same things you've heard, right? Is uh they're trying to smash small particles together to see what happens. That's what the kind of the official story is. But it's funny because every time a new story comes out, it's like
Scientists smash this together with this and this happens and I'm always like, Okay, but what does that mean? And you never get any of that, right? Right. This one was in Texas. Oh, it was in Texas? Yeah, the Clinton. Okay, that's it. Yeah. See if you can find some images of it. Yeah, it's outside of Dallas. Oh, it is outside of Dallas. Okay. Abandoned superconducting super collider site in 2008. Wow.
Get Brogan's Brogan's own particle collider. I mean there's nothing there. It's just concrete. Yeah, let me buy it. What's the big deal? Like that weird time machine out in the desert. That was really funny. Let me set up an archery range inside.
Department of War confirms plans to scale direct energy weapons. Did you see that thing with China maybe? Why would they need a p uh hydro collider though, right? Or uh you know, a particle collider. Well, because th they want to make s stuff go boom. Yeah, direct energy weapons. Yes, Department of War has direct energy weapons. Yes, we are scaling them. Wow.
Oh of course. Well that was a lot of people the really good thing. I like my fallout rifle though. I do. I want my plasma rifle. Right. I do. Like if they have plasma rifles, you're gonna buy one, right? Oh yeah. Oh for sure. You'd pr it'd probably be like a lengthy thing to get through.
Um, I'm glad you're a a gun guy'cause I w I wanted to bring up this whole thing with this guy, uh, Pretty. Yeah. And I I haven't talked about it. We haven't done a podcast since uh that guy got killed. Um, but that whole thing For there's a lot of people that don't understand what's going on and um why riots only in Minneapolis? And why riots in the place where there is an ungodly amount of fraud that has been discovered?
Coincidentally, right around the same time. Exactly. Like instantaneously afterwards the narrative completely changes. Everybody forgets about the fraud. Now all anybody cares about is ICE and fascists and Nazis. Yeah. And um It's uh there's a you know what a color revolution is. Of course. And for people that don't, it's it's a coordinated effort to cause chaos.
And this is a very coordinated thing. The idea that this is an organic protest, that this is these are these riots are organic is nonsense. Um it's provably nonsense because now they have access to the signal chat. So they know that these so these people that Cam Higby by the way. Yeah. He was uh he's been on the front lines of this. Um the Crucible has been a big supporter of that effort, uh my channel.
Um, I will often snipe his coverage while it's going on, send my audience over to send in super chats in order to keep this guy going. I think that that work is critical. Yes. It's critical work. And there's not that many people doing it. anymore because of how dangerous it has become. Yes. And so yeah, I'm a big supporter of that. Doesn't mean I agree with everything he says politically, but what he's doing on the ground there needs to happen.
Right. We need you need to understand that this isn't organic, regardless of how you feel. I don't feel that that guy should have been shot, um, but I understand what happened. And what happened was chaos. So what hap first of all, it wasn't ice. People need to understand that. It was uh customs border patrol people. So they were brought in to assist ICE. Uh and they're telling this lady to stand away and then this cop gets very aggressive and shoves.
Um you have to understand the situation that they're in, right? And this is not making an excuse for any of it. But you have to just just to put it into context. These people are getting harassed outside of any hotel they're at. People blow horns. They try to smash into the hotel. They dox'em. They dox'em. That's why they're wearing masks. It's a coordinated effort.
I'm not saying that guy should have shoved that guy. I don't think he should have. Or that woman. I don't think he should have. And then pepper sprayed. And then the guy who got shot, Pretty, he steps in. Which is if you know anything about concealed carry, if you are a concealed carry holder and you are carrying not just a pistol but two full magazines as well, you do not ever physically engage
You also are supposed to carry your license on you and you're supposed to uh you're supposed to have I D on you. All right. You you And you're trained. Yeah. Specifically for this, by the way. I was a CPL instructor for years. Okay. So you know about it. If you don't mind if I add your framework. The framework here is this is a mathematical formula. So I've been following these extremely closely live.
Um and looking at at how this is done. Let's go backwards in time. You remember what was going on in California. Nobody died in California. There was an ice raid on a Home Depot and they went nuts. And they started smashing police cars, they were starting fires, right? Th this was not over somebody dying. And now the narrative they're trying to make the narrative shift. The Gestapo's in here, you know, murdering American citizens.
Well, and what what was going on in California then? Because there was no American citizens getting murdered there. What was going on there was they did an ice raid in a Home Depot, which anybody who's been to California knows that Uh you know, there's it used to be that you'd drive down the street and they would all hang out in front of the Home Depot and you'd say two and they'd hop in the truck and you would you know, they would go Yeah, they were day laborers, right?
So it didn't surprise me that they were there doing daily raids. Okay, that doesn't surprise me a bit. Uh and they they all went ballistic. Now here's what was very curious about the coverage of that, and I had a debate with a couple of leftists on
What I saw was what looked to me to be a police stand down order. There was people who were breaking into I don't remember if it was an Amco or a seven eleven, but they were busting into it and the cops were were on the side corner watching this go down into
They didn't do anything about it. Right. Okay. They'd if it got too rowdy, they'd clear it out and then they let them continue. It looked like a stand down order, like you don't you don't involve your Well what I think these guys have figured out is a mathematical formula and it works like this. The if the local police are not going to protect the federal buildings, then it's left to the federal police to do this, right? In this case, ICE is going to protect its own buildings.
The FBI is gonna protect its own buildings. If the local police aren't gonna protect it and it's surrounded, then who who does the protection then? And this is why Trump, he unleashes the National Guard, but where? To those federal buildings. To protect those federal buildings. That was the whole point of it. That's what and basically anytime he's unleashed the National Guard that I've seen, it's two federal buildings to protect. And so uh the mathematical formula works like this.
The longer it is that protesters are engaging with federal officers whose job is not to do basic street cleanup of thugs, that's the local PD's job. uh the chances that there's an incident, which is going to be a bad incident is going to occur. So basically the longer you're there The the more attrition there is the more engagements you have with with these federal officers over time, eventually there's going to be
Something which is out of pocket that happens or something which is escalatory that happens and they're banking on that. And that's why IC is out in front of these build or not ICE, the Antifa people are still out in front of the ICE buildings. in front of many states night after night after night.
And it's designed specifically to make sure it's just ma a math formula, right? The longer we're here and the less the local PD involves itself, the more chance of incident between federal officers and us. Yeah. You're waiting for sparks. And um in this particular instant This guy uh clearly had been very involved. Uh I don't know if he was uh a part of the signal chats, but when you go to what's supposed to be a peaceful protest and you're fully armed like that, n with two magazines. Right.
Bullets. Now the Libs are all sub pro Second Amendment too. That is wild. He had every right. I'm like uh tell uh he didn't last month, but uh okay. I like it. I I like where it's going. I like that because that's kind of a trap. Did you see what M M S N B C did to his image? Yeah. They did opposite of what CNN did.
You know, CNN during the Covid times turned me green and uh they made me ugly and look like I was dying and they made him handsome. Yeah. So people would be more sympathetic to him getting shot. kind of wild. Like, are ugly people less valuable to MSNBC? Less marketable. That is crazy to me. Like look at the difference. Yeah. Look at the difference. They shortened up his face.
They gave him a little bit of a tan. They widened his face a little bit, it seems like. They just made him a little handsomer. Yeah. They gave him gave him a bit of that Chad jaw, didn't they? They shrunk his nose a little too, didn't they? Yeah, they didn't. They did. They shrunk his nose. Yeah. Gave him a little bit of a handsome jaw. So he looks like
And even made him if you look at the shoulders, it even looks like they uh they may have plumped up the shoulders there a bit. A little bit. Yeah. The one on the right looks like looks like he's a little plumper. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they they changed the tone of the color. Wild. I mean they look at they they changed his fucking teeth, man. Communist news. Look, they gave him veneers. Yeah. Look look at the difference in his teeth.
He's a much more handsome guy. Like that one on the right is like the handsome brother. And the one on the left was like, Fuck Yeah. Why couldn't I look on my brother? Yeah, the one on the right, he they were twins and he took more of the protein. Right. Right. That was what that was what happened. The thing is, is like this doesn't surprise me, by the way. Uh this is um
What's going on and it this is a well orchestrated, well crafted thing. Yeah. And the signal chats prove that. But we knew it anyway. Yes. Just by involving government, by the way. Allegedly at least. Involving Minnesota State Government. Yes. So that's not alleged. Right. That's not alleged. It's not alleged that it involves waltz. It's not alleged that it involves Frey. Right. And it's not alleged well, what what is alleged is the allegations of fraud, of course, but
But there would be a reason why you would want to distract from all that fraud. Sure. And that would motivate you to do something along these lines. So let's go back to the the instance. So, um, you've got these cops that are on these C B P guys that are on high alert, right? There's a lot of tension. People are screaming. If you're in an environment like that all day, look I've never been a police officer, but I was a security guard.
And when I was I was security guard for Great Woods, and by the way, I'm not comparing this in any way, but I'm just explaining my mentality when I was there. It was very much us versus them. It was a small group of guys that were uh Working at uh I I worked at Great Woods Center for the Performing Arts in Mansfield, Massachusetts. It's a concert venue in Mansfield. And this was when I was fighting.
So it was me and uh a bunch of guys from my Taekwondo team got hired to be security guards. One of the guys came and said, Hey, you guys wanna uh get a job working as a security guard? It's great. You get to see concerts. And it was like a good pay and you know, I was doing a bunch of random jobs back then while I was competing just to sort of pay bills. And I said, Yeah, okay, what do I have to do? And like it's nothing. You just go there and you work first day on the job.
I go there, some guy had stolen one of the security golf carts. So there's this dude named Alley Cat. He was the head guy of security. He was fuck Hilarious. His main dream was to open up a a a bar. Libation Ali Cat's libations and victuals. He had this whole dream of like just a real character. But this guy was a hardcore motherfucker.
and uh they caught the guy who uh stole this golf cart, tacked him to the ground and he was beating him in the face with a walkie talkie. This is my first day on the job, so I'm like, Okay. So this is what we're doing. And we kind of became like almost like cops for this place. But there was very much an us versus them mentality. And uh it turns out it was a lot more involved than I ever thought it was. And then one day I was at a Neil Young conference.
I was working the Neil Young concert and riots broke out. There was fire. It was cold out. And there was like a grassy area. So there was like a lawn area. So it was like there's the inside not inside, it was like an outdoor concert venue, but there was a roof to part of it. And then the back of it was like this lawn area that was in the back. And these guys had started bonfires up there.
And we we were supposed to go in there and break up the bond And then my friend Larry, who is like one of the most mild mannered guys you would ever want to meet, but, you know, a elite black belt. He gets in a fight with this guy and some guy pushes him and he knocks this guy down. And I'm like, okay, chaos is broken out. Let's get the fuck I'm like, let's quit. Let's get the fuck out of here. And I used to wear a hood.
I used to carry a hoodie so I could just zip up the hoodie over my security outfit and like bye um because I knew there was gonna come a time where I was like, I'm not getting shot, stabbed, killed, whatever, stomped over this venue for twenty bucks an hour or whatever the fuck I was getting. So I w I wound up leaving that day. But You there was a very and I it was I remember very clearly like oh this is probably what happens with cops times a million
Like you develop this us versus them because it was very much us. We would meet up at the beginning of our shift, we would all talk about what's going down. We were c mostly we were catching people that were bringing in alcohol. Like women in their purses would s you know s you know, like uh some Carly Simon or something be playing, they'd sneak in a bottle of wine that, you know, uh James Taylor, you know, there was a lot of that. And so we would we'd have like literal
Fucking trash cans filled with bottles of wine and liquor at the end of the night, we would get to keep'em. We'd take'em. And so this us versus that's a nice perk. It was kind of fun. Yeah, that's a nice perk. Yeah. Also I was illegal to drink. I was only nineteen at the time. But an even nicer perk. Yeah. It was very clearly us versus them and the tensions were very high. Yeah. Like whenever some weird shit went down, everybody puffed up their chest and everybody was ready to throw down.
And I was like, this job is not good but it it educated me. I was like okay and I'm in my mind I was like, Okay, this is must be like this when you're police officer again times a million Uh that Yeah, why they have their codes, right? They have the they have their oaths they take and then they have their little codes to each other too. Exactly. But I wouldn't I don't blame'em. I don't blame them. Like it seems completely there's a a certain wisdom to this.
Like, hey look, that could be me. A hundred percent. And so if it's you, I I'm gonna be right there with you. A hundred percent. And then if it's me You're gonna be right there with me. I get it. Also, there's a tremendous amount of social media content that anybody could access at any given time where a lot of these dorks are calling for violence.
You know, it's just it's all over the place. You could find it. The least likely people that would ever be involved in any sort of an altercation are on TikTok. Calling for violence. We gotta kill these motherfuckers. We gotta shoot these motherfuckers. And these guys are out there in the middle. Alright.
Fuck and they're getting screamed out all the time. They're on red alert. They're wearing vests. They're carrying the biggest thing. Well their wives are getting called and threatened and uh they're saying they're gonna rape their kids. And they're saying that they're gonna brutalize their family members. And they give them calls in the middle of the night and they whisper to them
Well, how's your dad such and such doing? You know, and just cryptic things like that and let it go. Uhhuh. Exactly. And this is very coordinated. It's very coordinated and organized and the way they find out all their information It's very creepy. So again, I don't think this guy should have pushed that lady. I mean the way he did it was very violent. She was a small woman and he he shoved her very violently to the ground. Then this other guy, Pretty, gets in between them.
Okay, which again, if you're a concealed carry holder is a giant no no. You do not fucking do that. You do not engage with law enforcement when you're armed. You shouldn't engage with anyone. Ever. I mean You should be avoiding you should be trained to avoid conflict. Yes. That's the whole thing. It's like uh if you're if you're armed you move into that next level of
you need to really be avoiding conflict. You're not supposed to be in bars drinking. Exactly. You're not supposed to be uh, you know, at big parties and things like this where violent things can occur. Exactly. You know, you can take it to church, defend the church. Other than that, like you're supposed to be avoiding conflict. Exactly. So uh he gets in between the officer and this woman, puts his hands on the officer, and then he gets pepper sprayed.
They go to the ground, there's a lot of scrambling going on. Now you have to understand what happens when you get pepper sprayed, okay? Uh I've never been pepper sprayed, but I did get tear gassed once w during Fear Fact. We did a a fear factor stunt where these people had to I forget what they had to do, but we we had built this
Or there was a like a structure and they were inside the structure and they released tear gas in this charger. I got hit with it. It's pretty brutal. But it's painful. Yeah, it sucks. And he can't breathe. You can't breathe, your eyes swell up, your your nose starts running like crazy. Yeah. Um and that shit stays on your clothes. You don't think well when that happens. So this this guy's clearly not thinking well and he can't see and he's you know, and then they're on him, right?
So they're on him and then one guy, whether he yells out he's got a gun or grabs the gun first, I I'm not sure. But There he has a gun. So they see his gun in the middle of the scramble. The guy pulls his gun out and moves off. Now this is where it gets this is where it gets weird. Uh I believe the gun was a SIG P trun three two oh a s a SIG P three twenty is known for having accidental discharge.
It is uh it has a reputation for it. It has a very sp specific type of striker. It doesn't have uh a safety the way some other guns do. And you can have negligent discharges with SIGs. Now is the the P three twenty is that a hammered bottle? Yes. Okay, so it's not a striker fire. No, wait a minute. No, no, it is a striker fire. It's let's well let's f let's pull let's pull it up'cause I'm not I know the three sixty five is built very differently. The p the three twenty b brakes cleaner.
But I thought the three twenty had a hammer was double action and single action, and then I d I You might be right. I didn't think it was a striker fire. Most of the P models are not striker fires that I'm aware of. I could be wrong. Well the three sixty five the P three sixty five is definitely different than the three twenty. Yeah. They have a different striking mechanism. They're known for accidental discharges. Okay. Um I can't tell if that's a hammer underneath the slide. Well let's um just
Just what is this what is the trigger mechanism of a SIG P three twenty? Put that in there. And what is it uh that makes it prone to accidental discharge? If if you look up SIG P three twenty online in any search engine, accidental discharge comes up very quickly. Oh, it is striker fired. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So it's a modular striker fired trigger mechanism.
Uh when pressed, trigger bar moves forward, disengage the safety, lever and sear releasing the striker. Okay, so it's a striker fired pistol, so okay. Got it. As of uh two thousand seventeen, SIG changed the way they make their guns because the trigger itself.
So if uh this is the barrel of the gun where the bullet comes out and this is where you're holding on your hand, it discharge it. If you drop it, it'll it'll discharge. And it'll discharge without rot without moving the slide, which is kinda crazy. Because what happens is
Something in the dropping it on the back where the handle is releases the disconnector probably. It causes that heavier trigger, the heavier weight to the trigger to drop down and it will discharge. Okay. Uh As of two thousand seventeen, they made the trigger lighter.
And it doesn't do that anymore. Okay. And there's a whole YouTube video where this guy explains it and shows that you can do it with the older models. If you drop them if you drop them on their side, they don't do it. If you drop them barrel first, they don't do it. But if y you drop them handle first And it hits the the back where you hold it where the you know the the the what is it called the beaver tailed gun sits? The internal hammer fought.
Drops and bang. Exactly. And it's one of the only guns that does that. Yeah. And uh so much so that I believe you should search this, I believe the Dallas Police Department stopped uh issuing them to their officers. See if that's true. Before I go further, because I don't I don't wanna get into any legal weeds here. But I have one. I have a s three twenty. I've never had a problem with it. Uh I
Here it is. Dallas police suspends use of pistol manufacture. Okay. Yeah. And it's because of that. So um What are these chambered in? Nine forty? It's nine. Nine. They're nines. But uh the um So that's the gun this guy has. So when this C B P officer grabs his gun He was moving off, and it appears, it's very grainy the video. It appears there's an accidental discharge.
You can make an accidental discharge of this gun without touching the trigger. If there's any kind of pressure on the trigger, if it is a modified trigger, if there's anything that engages with it, even a slight amount, and you move the slide. At all, that gun will go off. And there's videos of it online. You could find videos of online. See if you can find videos of it online where a guy shows how you can get that gun to to negligent discharge.
It will. At least the pre s 2017 model. Um I don't I didn't see his hand go on the slide of the gun though. Yeah. Well, he's holding it in a it's p the hard thing is it's fucking gray. I can't see. I looked at it from both angles, but the it looked to me like he was holding it Um like by the handle with no finger on the trigger. Yeah. But it does seem like at least in some of the takes that I've seen, I may be wrong, but it seems like that gun might have negligent defense.
Now Usually when someone's holding a gun and there's a negligent discharge it's because they they pulled the trigger, right? Right. So in this case, let's I'm I mean I'm gonna assume it for a second. So the gun drops on the side, striker fired, let's say it's I don't know what the mechanism is, but let's say the disconnector, that makes the disconnector go, the hammer drops, bam, it hits the primer, gun fired.
Gun fires, hits the ground. These guys think they hear gun, these guys think this guy might have a gun in the scramble. They don't know. This is all seconds. High pressure, they open fire on him. That's what I believe h You know, so when people say, Oh, they straight up executed this guy. Think you better it there's a little more nuance. There's more nuance to it. There's chaos, there's the fog of chaos, and you're in the middle of this like very
high stress situation where you've already pepper sprayed this guy. Now you're in a physical scramble. Someone says he has a gun. Gun goes off. Bang bang bang, you're just shooting. I'm assuming. This is just a lot of you know, a lot of guesses. But that's a lot of bad stuff that has to happen in sequence. Yes. Like the the fact even if this gun is recalled as a model
uh that had these issues, right? I'm guessing that it wasn't every every one of them that had the issues. Some of'em, right? Probably not all. Um, and if it's because it has to have a lot of force for it to go off or the slide has to be, you know, you have to be moving the slide or something like this. What I saw was him holding the pistol how you or I would hold the pistol with the finger off the trigger.
I did not actually see like what would have caused that force. This is where it gets weird. So there have been documented instances like the pig the the SIG P three twenty. There's a lot of legal stuff um involved in this. There's there's tons of case.
Some of them are bullshit. Like there was one cop where they said the cop got shot because the gun accidentally went off and everybody's like, oh man, Sig's in trouble. Turns out that cop had to recant that and he accidentally hit the trigger and shot a cop. But he he won so this is one. So this guy his gun just goes off. Now he doesn't have his finger on the trigger, it just goes off. Now there's another one where a cop is in the middle of a precinct and he leans forward.
He's got the holster on the outside. He leans forward and the gun goes off. He does not have his hand on the trigger. He's not touching the gun at all. See if you can find the one where the cop does it. So there's a cop where he's in the precinct, his gun is now here's the question.
Was there something touching the trigger? Was it the holster bad? Were there was there debris in it? Was there something was there was his sh his shirt touching it? Did he did he jam the gun in the holster and maybe like his shirt got stuck in and it touched? There's also the second gun theory. And then he moves forward if the guy had a second gun. There's also the second gun theory. So I I understand what you're saying and maybe it met all of the conditions for that.
It does seem unlikely to me, but it's possible. Um that he's just holding it and it just happens to go off. It would seem unlikely with any other gun. So if the guy had a glock. But both of these cases are from the holster. This guy's grabbing from the holster, he's grabbing from the holster. Well the cop had already pulled it out of the holster. And now he's holding it.
And then it goes off. Right, but it's it's so low resolution, it's hard to see what's going on with his hands. So if there had been Some funkiness with the trigger. m you know, who knows where he got the gun, who knows whether or not that gun had an aftermarket trigger. Who knows what's going on? But as he's doing this, you're in the middle of the chaos, you're ramped up with adrenaline. Who knows if that guy accidentally while he was holding it put pressure on the slot?
And cause that gun to negligent discharge. I don't know. This is the speculation, and the reason why the speculation is so It's it's This is s something we're talking about is because it's a SIG P three twenty. Yeah. And there's so many stories about that. It's not outside the realm of possibility in other words. Right. Which is the worst case scenario, right? You got all this chaos and then you got that fucking gun. An older model? Yeah, or something like this. Or it was issued after the fact.
And it's brand it's newer. Let's just say it's br it's newer and they've gotten this design flaw out of there. Let's just assume for a second. All those things being equal now, right? W when a leftist points at that and says, That's an execution, what what's your opinion then? If it if it's the case there is no there is no negligent discharge. There is none of that. What like how would you view it then? Well it's a str extremely unfortunate case of what happens during chaos.
It is. But you know, which you you're automatically going to have if you have a guy get shot. Um Let's watch a video and if see if we can discern when the shot fires off. Because it w does it before or after they say he's got a gun? 'Cause someone says he has a gun, one of the officers removes the gun and then a shot goes off.
Now there's another speculation that the guy who shot him had a negligent discharge. He didn't like maybe he had his hand on the trigger and he got a little amped up and it went off and then he just fucking fired into him. Kept going. That's possible too.
I d not exactly sure. It's there's a ton of angles, ton of different cell phone angles. None of them are really crystal clear. And the thing that's interesting about this Is I'm even willing to kind of grant it to the left, just on appearance alone for a second, just for the sake of uh of like logically taking this to its conclusion.
Let's say that the cops were totally wrong on this. They g they messed the whole thing up, they screwed it up, they it was a negligent discharge from the officer himself. It killed this guy, it was totally unjustified. Okay, but now what? Right. Is it is it the case that
We're gonna what? Stop deporting illegal immigrants? We're gonna stop uh you know, that ICE is gonna stop Border Patrol's gonna stop doing its job, ICE is gonna stop doing its job because of a single incident, even if all of the officers involved were incorrect? Of course not. That's ridiculous, right?
The thing about this in incident is it's being used as a catalyst to now say they're the g they're the Gestapo, just like they were trying to do with Renee. They're the Gestapo, they're here to k to uh, you know, uh be the jackbooted thugs of the Trump administration. that's being used now as the new rallying cry and catalyst for the and it's post hoc justification. That's what makes me so angry about it is it's like, no, no, no. You're out here doing all of this long before
Anybody was getting uh shot by ICE, okay. You were doing this long before there was any supposed abuses by ice. It seems like they're the the what they do is they set up the reactions, right? They set up the conditions. Maximize the conditions.
for horrible actions to happen and then when they do they use those as the justification for why they were ever out there in the first place. And it's like, what's going on here? That's that's what bothers me. Right. This is the quintessential description of the colour revolution. I mean that the the They're trying to create a little bit. And um is again, it's very well funded and very well organized.
It's not as simple as this is an organic protest that people are fired up because ICE is in their community. That's not really what's going on. But I think there's a lot of good people that are wrapped up in that that think they're doing a good thing and they really do think they're fighting fast.
Because they exist in these bubbles and they're they're I believe them. Yeah. I do believe them that they think that they're fighting against fascism and I I've I've debated with enough of these people on that I do think that they believe that a hundred percent. Right. It's I just think it's an unjustified belief and I think it's uh it's ridiculous. But it's not accurate. It's not accurate.
Right, and that there's been somewhere in the neighborhood of uh two million deportations, but one point six of them were like self-deportation. One point six of'em or like people were notified and they said, uh we'll just get the fuck out of here. I don't wanna be in jail. Yeah, good. And then a half a million of'em were and then but people are saying very few of them would have been violent criminals. But we found out there was like eight percent.
Th this is just eight percent of what we know has been caught. That is a lot of violent criminals. If you go to half a million people and eight percent of them are murderers and rapists. And they snuck in door not even snuck in because they were allowed access to the United States over the last four years.
Somewhere to the tune of let's be like super charitable. Let's say it's only ten million because I think it's a lot more. And they don't yeah. They don't really know the number'cause it's really the numbers that they're giving are based on interaction. Right. But how many people snuck through and they didn't have an interaction with them? It's a lot, man. It's a lot of people and they did this shit on purpose.
And they did this shit because they want more congressional seats, because the census doesn't count citizens, it doesn't count legal citizens, it just counts human beings. So the more citizens you have in an area, the more congressional seats you have. And then there's places like California that make it illegal to show your ID.
You're not allowed not only are you not supp which you should have to show your fucking ID when you vote. Yes. Right? So we know that you're legally voting. They made it so you can't show your ID, which is the only the only you could do Steel man this to the end of time. The only reason why you would do that is because you want cheap. Of course the only reason. Of course. Well, it's not just that, but you make you make a good compelling point here.
The idea, even if it was the case, let's just say almost none of them are violent criminals. Let's just give it to them. Just for kind of for the sake of argument here. The people don't want'em here. That's it. You're these are the supposed to be the biggest believers in democracy and republicanism ever. That's what they're fighting against is the evil fascists. It's like, well, here the people spoke, okay? I'm gonna say the people said
We don't want illegal immigrants here. We want them out of here. It doesn't matter what the conditionals are for violent criminality or not violent criminality. The th if you're really a big believer in the Republic like you claim, why is it that when Trump gets elected to do exactly this job, you impede it at every turn? Yeah, they don't want it to happen because it was a part of the strategy for the un a uniparty. I mean this is Elon came on and was You know.
was very passionate about wanting to explain this to people. I mean it's it's one of the reasons why he did it before the election, like you have to understand the plan that's in place. And what they're doing is they're trying to make it so that no one but the Democrats can ever win ever. And one of the best ways to do that is to ship untold numbers of people to swing states. Which is what they're doing.
That's what they did. They didn't just do it, they flew them out there, they gave them E V T cards, they put them on social security. We had this woman we documented w we we talked about this woman who uh worked for Gotta forget which department, but her job was to turn these people from illegal immigrants into what her she described they described to her as clients.
And so you would tell these people are you Yes. So her her question was to them, do you have a permanent disability? So do you have headaches? Does your back hurt? I get headaches, my back hurts. I guess I'm permanently disabled. And all you have to do is like you don't have to have like Uh like clear evidence you have all your fucking discs are fused and you can't walk or you have Yeah. No. You just have to have a fucking back hurt. Your back hurts. Well, what fucking man who's a laborer?
who's uh thirty five years old, doesn't have fucking back pain. Yeah, yeah. Like y'all do. So they come to you, they say do you have headaches and back pain? Well as an office worker doesn't have back pain. Right. Exactly. Fucking everybody does. You get older, you get back pain, especially if you don't take care of your back. And so these guys are are all b being
roped into the system and then they get money. They get social security money. They get money from taxpayers in it essentially forever. So if you can get those people to vote, they will most certainly vote for the people that are giving them that money, right? Or most certainly vote for the people that are moving'em into the Roosevelt Hotel and New York.
Even though at the local level they oppose all leftist policy, they'll vote at a national level for leftists'cause they bring in their family members. They bring in they they allow the the importation of people that they want here. So yeah, they're they they utilize the system. for uh for the aims and for Democrats this is all good and of course for Republicans it's all bad. And Elon's right. It i he is right that Democrats and here's what I see, the the bird's eye view, right?
Trump, what they're gonna do, Democrats gonna win the midterms. By hook or by crook, they're gonna win the midterms. And when they do, if they have the power in the House to do this, they're gonna impeach him day one. And we'll have now it'll be the thrice impeached president, right? And they'll obstruct him.
They'll obstruct his agenda the entire step of the way under this elongated impeachment and they'll just run out the clock. They'll just run it out. It's it's all pretty fucking crazy. It it's really crazy. Gad Sad has a great uh And you know, a lot of these people that are on the left that are self described leftists. They're very kind people and they they w want, you know, everyone to have a chance to live in America and be good people and they don't understand they're being used as pawn.
by much more cynical people that are just trying to get total control. And if you want to know what total control looks like and what kind of restrictions could be imposed on a Western society, look no further than the UK. Look what's going on in in England right now. Twelve thousand people have been arrested so far last year for uh in the last year rather, for social media posts. Just social media posts criticizing immigration.
Um there was some new thing that they uh just passed that makes it so that you're supposed to tell on people who are talking in pub. Who are having conversations in pubs that you think are are dangerous conversations. There was that woman in the UK who was SA'd and then called the guy a name via text. Yeah. She called him a faggot. Yeah. Yeah. She called yeah, she called a five. She was sexually assaulted.
She called him a faggot and then she was arrested. Yeah, she was arrested. I was and I remember arguing on Pierce Morgan. I was debating with a leftist on this. This was the topic at the time. Yeah. And the leftist, who looked at me like the he was a faggot too, said Uh he was defending it, tooth and nail, right? This is a good thing because we want to get rid of stigma.
The idea is to try to destigmatize the thing. See words create stigma and stigma creates harm values and harm values are evil, they're bad. That's that's the whole moral system. If it if we reduce harm, that's moral, if we increase harm, that's immoral.
So that it that's the zero sum way that they look at this, right? Yeah. If you're increasing it, bad. If you're decreasing it, good. So if we're decreasing stigmatization of an activity that we think is protected, then that's reducing harm. Therefore that's the moral position. Crazy. That is actually a crazy way to look at the world. Well it's very dystopian. become the m the leader in the world for arresting people for social media. No one would have ever saw that coming fire.
years ago. But this is what happens when you get total control of a population. You don't and you don't stop where you're at. You continue to move forward. You continue to try to get more and more control. And this is this new thing where they're trying to um Uh get people to turn people in for bar talk.
Which is just crazy. It's just crazy. So that's where it goes. If you're really uh a liberal, a real liberal, a real progressive person who really believes in free speech, you should believe in all
And you have to. I mean this was the ADL's position way back in the day when they would allow the Ku Klux Klan to march. They would say look And then fight for the right to do so. Yes. I mean this is what it used to be. It used to be an understanding that as complicated as this thing is You've got to allow people to say horrible things.
So that you can counter them with better points and you make a better argument and that people see your side and then society moves forward. You know, generally possible. The way that it moves between group and I and I think that now uh online influencers, podcasters, political commentators actually do have political they have some political capital now. which can be spent the same way low level politicians have political capital which can now
They actually are connected oftentimes with politicians. Right. Well you would say that about the right too, wouldn't you? Of course. But I don't see it as prevalent as I do uh with the left. The the left, for instance, there was a a whole thing that used to go on on Twitch where an organization came in and bought up all the Twitch mouthpieces.
Uh that's what they did. And like this this is this is something which has been going on for a long time. But what's interesting with the political capital angle from these leftists They don't care what the means are. You say the the ends are what that's all they care about, right? The the means to get there, totally irrelevant to them. From their view though, that makes a six sort of sense. They believe that they're fighting against Nazis. Right. Literal Nazis.
So if you believed that you were in a war with literal Nazis, what wouldn't you do to complete that war? What th what means wouldn't you go to? What means of sabotage would you not do? What cars would you not blow up? Right. What cops would you not eliminate in order to stop the rise of the new Hitler? Right. And it's like and they're they're expending their political capital on that message.
And that message has a lot of influence on people. Yeah. It also There there's so many people that are getting attention. by feeding into the rhetoric. There's so many people that are making viral clips of them threatening you know like menacing like these weird dorky liberal guys like these guys that you would think of pacifists are literally calling for violence. I got one of'em'cause it's like the most unlikely guy. Like you see this guy doing this, like, hey buddy like
Who what what are you saying? Who who who's following you into battle? Yeah, who's I'm gonna I'm gonna send you the because it's it's it the way he says it too is so like like he's watched too many fucking TV shows. Um, this guy. Let's'cause it's it's the terminology that he uses that is a it's actually kinda funny, if it wasn't so scary. Put this on real quick, sure.'Cause it's so
When you see this guy's doughy face and his understanding of real violence, listen to this. When combat starts, we all roll initiative. I'm gonna say that again and anyone everyone knows what I'm talking about when I say this. When combat starts, we all roll initiative. I I mean I hate to laugh'cause it's kinda fucking serious because they're they're they're inciting violence and they're they're calling for insurrection, they're calling for people to
So take to the streets and start violence, but that guy. Like what? You're not gonna roll initiative? Well, I mean i I think I think it just means we all go. Right. When violence starts we we all go. Is it? Rolling, you know? Oh, rolling Oh no, no, no. The tweet says Dungeons and Dragons in it. I don't even know. Oh God. It says Dungeons and Dragons.
I think so do a search on that. Does roll initiative is that a part of Dungeons and Dragons? Roll the'cause I only know of gun Dungeons and Dragons from strangers. So does his A does his AR do two D six damage? It's like But it's just the w the menacing way that he stares into the camera. Rolling for initiative determines the turn order in combat. Each player and monster rolls a twenty sided die and adds their dexterity modifier. Oh god. But I mean this is what I'm saying. It's like
It's p a lot of it is cosplay. That does sound like he is saying though that we all go there, right? Yes. Yeah. That's it sounds like it's head that's what he's saying. And it it's also
it gives meaning to people whose lives do not have a lot of meaning, right? Like all of a sudden you're a part of a greater cause. You're you're a part of a very important movement. And you're stopping Nazis. Yeah, you're stopping Nazis and you know, relatively safe from the comfort of your own home staring at your phone on TikTok. Sure. You know, and you get all excited about it and you cheer. And th these are the same people that cheered when Charlie Kirk got shot.
Um for just talking. Like that was fine, but this one is not good. You know, it's it's it's all like v it's very fucked up man. Well, and they're gonna kill they'll kill more commentators, they can get away with it. Um happily. I mean part of that whole signal chat that's dangerous that people aren't talking about, that's probably the more most dangerous aspect of it.
It it and I can't prove this, but it's been my experience that left wing communities and left wing groups, especially online communities and online groups. really pander to the mentally ill in a big way. really pander to'em. And it's uh I think that it's a form of weaponization. They want to attract the extremely mentally ill into these communities and it it helps with actually what is radicalization. And they play on the fact that they're mentally ill in order to do this. Well this is then
Right. Like this is this is why it's not just Antifa. It goes beyond that. Like if you go to some of these TikTokers communities, you go to some of the online political pundits communities who are far left. Okay? These people who are in there are Fruit Loops, man. Yeah. They are lunatics.
And they're pandered to. They're pandered to. Oh, okay, you can't say this to them, that's ableist. You can't tell them this is you're a weirdo because that's mean. You can't and not only are they pandered to, but I think that that's the source of the weapon. If it's the case that these people don't care about death They don't care. Like th oh the outcome's going to be death. That guy shot at the uh the ice agents.
Not too long ago, remember he was on top of the roof, he was shooting across with I think a Mauser rifle and they they dusted him, they killed him, or he shot himself. I don't remember which. Wh when was this? This was uh a few months back. I don't know but No, there was a guy he was just how callous I've become. Yeah, he was taking shots at
uh I believe it was ICE agents in front of the ICE facility. Oh that's right. That's right. Yeah. He was using I believe he was using like a Mauser rifle or something. And early on with the Charlie Kirk thing, they were actually making these connections'cause he had used uh
a Mauser as well, right? To shoot Charlie Kirk. That was the so people were making those early connections. Wait, is this is this a sequence of events? Does the Mauser mean something here? Is that particular rifle have special meaning? You know how people are online. Yeah. But anyway Uh the interesting thing is like they don't care if they die.
They're they're dying martyrs. They don't care. And it's really easy to weaponize mentally ill people that way because they don't care. These are the same people who have the high suicide rate. For a reason because they're already mentally ill, like the trunes and others. Which many of them you find are connected to?
Trans people almost every time. Also SSRIs. Yep. This is the other problem. Is that uh how many of these people are on these psychiatric medications that uh violent ideation is a part of the side effects of these suicidal or uh excuse me, these uh psychiatric drugs. There's a a a lot of people that have uh psychotic thoughts when they get on some of these different SSRIs and and different psychiatric medications. So you've got people that are already fucked up.
And then you've got'em on these medications that cause them to do all kinds of things. And aren't women. Aren't women taking much more in the way of SSR I eye pills than men are? Yeah. And who do we see is the on the bullhorns and loudspeakers at most of these events? It's women. Well, particularly liberal women. Particularly liberal women, yeah. I'm sure you've seen seen the statistics, but I asked you to save them because they're kinda nutty. Uh the which what's interesting is the num like
the least mentally ill in terms of numbers is conservative men. Conservative men, I think it's like'cause they're normal. I think it okay. Young liberal women. 56% report a mental health diagnosis. Young moderate women, uh eighteen to twenty nine, twenty eight percent, young conservative women twenty seven percent, only slightly less. Um so for men It is uh thirty four percent of all liberal men.
Thirty-four percent. So a third of all liberal men are mentally ill, twenty-two percent of moderate men are not. And sixteen percent of conservative notes. Yeah, but you know what the lunatics argue when you bring that up? The l these lunatics they'll argue No no.
the conservative men are just as mentally ill. It's just undiagnosed because there's a stigma in conservative communities about going to get your mental illness diagnosed. And I always point out, and I think this is a an interesting way to point this out, like Maybe they're not going to get diagnosed because they don't have a problem. Did you ever think of that? It's possible. It's possible it's undiagnosed because I think that is accurate though, that there is a stigma.
about mental health and therapy and things along those lines in conservative c I mean I if you wanna like I agree, but I also think that what happens is um when you're t when you're talking especially about the voodoo that is psychology and it is It is voodoo. It is voodoo. I have very little respect for psychology. Right. I don't even consider it science. I consider That there's scientific methods used for data gathering.
But I don't consider psychology a science at all. And that's psychology. Psychiatry gets even weirder because then you start a adding medication. Yeah. You're not just talking about therapy. It's all voodoo to as far as I'm concerned. I think that men often, especially conservative men, out of uh you know, their close relationships with friends and family as they would going to a psychologist. In other words
Just I think just having somebody to talk to who's a close friend, who's intricately familiar with your situation, probably gives you more value than going to a complete stranger who has learned manipulation techniques. That's what they learn essentially is manipulation techniques. uh I think there's more value there. And so I think that the stigma which exists there
It doesn't exist because it's like you're not manly, which is how they try to frame it. I think the stigma exists there because so many uh conservative men go, Well, I tried that shit and it was nonsense. I tried it and it sucked. I tried it and it was worth I I went to marriage counseling, did nothing. Um sided with the wife, right? I went uh for this issue, did nothing. Uh but when I went out and had some beers with my friends, that actually helped relieve some of these some of these issues.
I think the problem with that is there's a lot of guys who don't have good friends, you know, and you don't have someone that you can count on, unfortunately. Yeah, there's just there's a lot of men out there that are lost. I agree, but I think that the conservative men seem to like they have closer longevity with friends than progressive men do. Yes. And they don't abandon them when they change their opinions.
Um so here's the self-reported data. Um from 2022 survey analysis found that fifty-one percent of conservatives report report excellent mental health compared to twenty percent of liberals. That's a big difference. It's a giant difference. I don't think stigma could account for that. No, it can't. It it's like it's not just stigma.
It's also like w like what is what does it mean to be conservative? Does it mean, you know, taking account for your own actions, discipline, hard work ethic? All those things are actually good for your mental health. Like like Pulling yourself up and getting back to work and doing things I think I think now and I think maybe it always should have been framed this way, I think now for to for the label of conservative to apply, we really kind of start with religious foundations.
Mm-hmm. That's what d is becoming fast becoming the delineation. Right. Having a framework. Having the framework. Right. And the religious framework is almost instantly going to put you in that moving towards that conservative camp almost every single time. And uh and I think I think that that's a necessary component now. If we're trying to make these political delineations, it becomes tough. What's a Republican or neocon versus a conservative versus uh this versus that?
It comes down to foundationalism of framework. Right. Like you were just saying, and the framework of Christianity, Christian ethics, huge delineation point. between the right and the left who rejects that for harm principles, utilitarianism and various other uh sorts of frameworks. Yeah, and they'll they'll also point to
But it's kind of like every power structure throughout history you could point to in that way. Well it was what was there. Yeah. The thing is it's like the Catholic Church the Catholic Church gets a lot of shit for Well, look at all the horrible things that the Catholic Church did. It's like, well, the Catholic Church was the whole known world once. Right. You know, all of Europe.
was the Catholic Church. Not s you know, like all of it was. You can't have organizations which span whole nations and countries. um uh ethnicities, cultures integrate themselves into it and and not have corruption. That I don't care what system it is, pointing to it and saying it's because they were Catholic.
That's where it becomes absurd. Right. They were corrupt. There was corruption. But they're human. Because they're human, not because they're Catholic. Right, right. Um one of the things that I always try to point out to people they go, Why do you go to church? Like'cause when I was younger I was very cynical about religion, and then I've got older I was one of the things that I always say is if there was a pill
that could make you as nice as the people that I go to church with. Everybody would be honest. They are the nicest fucking people you will ever encounter. When we leave the church parking lot. Yeah, yeah. They're kind. Kind and nice. They're they're all the above. They're like very friendly, happy people. But when you leave the church parking lot or even when you're entering
Th they everybody lets everybody in. It's like no one rushes ahead. It's like you go ahead and then you go ahead. It's like the most Self organized. m most charitable way of exiting a parking lot I've ever experienced in my life. The opposite of a concert. You go to a great concert, everybody's like fucking on everybody's bumper trying to weasel in, people are honking, fuck you. In church, it's like one person goes and another person goes, no, you go, wave.
And then everybody's fine and everybody's happy. It's like if that was if you could take a pill that could do that to you, if therapy could do that to you, we should all be on therapy. We should all take that pillow. Philosophy can do that for you, because the phenomenon that you're talking about is the me philosophy.
And so what is you're you're going to church, it's not all about you. Right. And that's why you have those types of interactions with people. Wait, I'm going you go to a concert, that's for you. Mm-hmm. That's for me. Not for these strangers. I'm going there'cause I want to be entertained. That's for me. You go to church, it's not for you. Right. And the thing is, is um it's the it's The kind of materialism materialism view, the materialistic view of pure materialism.
reduces always to me. Me, me, me, because what else can there be? Right. There's just me and Mitch the material I engage with. There's nothing outside of that. So why engage as though there's something outside of that? That doesn't just lead to nihilism, but it's the beginning stages of understanding the distinction between religious foundationalism and uh basically everything else. The reduction doesn't come down
to me. And that's why those interactions seem so much better, because they are, because people are thinking about You. Right. It's like what a concept. Imagine a world where people think about somebody besides themselves. And they think about they can think about everybody as a part of a community. and a collective community that you care about that has value to you. And they're
You know, there's And then you go, why is mental health rate so much better in these communities? It's like well, isn't it interesting how much they think about other people than just themselves and duties? They're the kindest people you you're ever gonna come across. And uh I think there's a lot of value in that. And I think the people that are cynical about that
Because they don't want to believe in fairy tales or they don't wanna be stupid. They don't wanna get duped by like look there's a a foundation to that. If you just look forget about some of the stuff that's in the Bible that You know, y it gets weird when you get old. Like you go back into the old, old, old stuff because like for sure human beings had some sort of an influence on what was written down and what wasn't written down. But you get chis to the teachings of Christ.
I can't find any faults in it. Like it's all uh uh about being kind, it's all about this this idea that we're all in this together and that you're supposed to lift each other up and look after each other. There's no faults in it. It's it's not like you have to kill the nonbelievers. It's not like you get to rape and pillage for th the non believers and the infidels must die. There's none of that. That's why the
That's why Christians believe in objective truth. That it must be objective truth because otherwise why is most of the world following this as though it's objective truth. We seem to be leaning towards this as though this must be the thing which is objectively real and objectively true and a thing which we can point to that is, because when people are introduced to it, like you just said,
It's really hard and difficult to find fault in it. It's not just that. You know, it's interesting. If we reverse it. If we say what could I do that actually would be the best for me, me, me, me, me, it would still be that. Yeah.
Which is the funniest part of the whole thing. It's like both ways it works for you if even if it's not all about you, or it works for you even if it is all about you. It's still gonna be the better message out of the two. It's it's definitely a better framework for living your life. And um
There's a lot of people that just reject that, that are that think of themselves as intelligent. You know, they they think of themselves as intelligent and well read and uh educated. Yeah, I'm too smart for that. Too smart for all that. I'm an atheist. Any atheist needs to take eight grams of mushrooms.
Just D did a little DMT. Do a little DMT. And you're like, Oh, I don't know anything. You you think you know things. You don't know a fucking thing. You just know what you've experienced. And I think that the world is better off if people have a great moral and ethical framework. I think morals and ethics and being kind. is one of the most important values that human beings can ever possess if you want to live in a productive and healthy community. Completely agree. And uh I think that kindness
I make a delineation between kindness and niceness.'Cause I think it's often kind not to be nice. Right. But I do think that you can be nice and it it may not be kind. Right. And so that's true. So I make a delineation between those things. I don't think that kindness though has much variance.
Kindness is looking after the interest of somebody who's not me. And it makes everybody feel it's it's actually selfish because it makes you feel good too. Yeah, there's I mean there is something from from the from the position of trying to convince
the unbeliever, right? Appealing to their self interest may not be the worst idea. Right. You know, appealing to like, well, has the lack of community and the like let's just assume for a second. Let's just assume It's all bullshit and it's all nonsense. Every bit of it was just totally made up. We just like we just made it up, right? But we all acted as though it was true. If it's the case that your whole framework is that we just want a society that really works well
and does the best it can possibly do for everyone, then shouldn't you by your own framework just pretend it's true? Right. Yeah. Shouldn't you just act as though it's true anyway? Jordan Peterson had a very good point about that. Yeah. Yeah about believing in God that if you believe if you act as if God is real, you will have a better life. Like it it it it it works.
It really does work. Almost like a universal truth. Yeah. It's it's very fascinating. It's fascinating that um people that are self professed atheists and people that think of themselves as too intelligent for religion won't acknowledge
They don't want to believe that. And so many of them that I know that are self-professed atheists are some of the most miserable people. They're they're very depressed. A lot of them are on psychiatric medications. A lot of them are in therapy. A lot of them are really fucked up. They're almost cursed. Ha ha ha ha.
Oh well it seems like that, doesn't it? And the thing well, the thing is interesting is like um I've talked with a lot of atheists, debated with a lot of atheists, especially on the effects of Christianity in society. Against the effects of atheism and And I know what pure secular states have led to. That's what communism was. That was a purely secular state. Yes. Where you really where you really wall off the church from the state.
But here we pretend that it's secular and they get all the benefits of it being Quote secular, but it's not secular at all. Right. Politicians are constantly voted in based on the fact that they have an X amount of value structure, and that's what they're going to implement legislatively on you. The whole secular thing, totally made up.
It's and and them pretending that that's even even real or has ever existed as a real framework in the United States, just nonsense. Not only that, but I think there is a natural default in the human mind to be attracted to a structure. And uh if that structure is a Christian structure, you're attracted to all the Christian values that we've just discussed being so positive and beneficial to you.
But if you're not and you go to a leftist progressive structure, leftists in particular, um, like a Marxist structure. Uh what you know, what what you're seeing is a complete lack of forgiveness. They don't have that built into the system. You know, one of the one of the beautiful things about Christianity is forgiveness. And the recognition that we're all sinners and we all fuck up and we're all human and we're all flawed.
and that you could you could move on and be better and you can atone for these sins and you could recognize that, you know, yes, you've made a mistake, but here's the best way to move forward and be a better person. society at a whole recognizes that you are me and I am you and we're all kinda the same thing. We all fuck up and we're all we're we're all just human beings. But there's a pathway.
It's a pathway to forgiveness. There's zero pathway in this in in leftism. That's that's the most uh horrible thing when you watch these pylons online over like the most innocuous discretions. is their pathway is just everything's permitted. Yeah. And the pathway from the Christians, no, not everything is permitted.
But almost everything can be forgiven. Right. And that I would see is the big distinction. It reminded there you know, there's a a story uh that I heard it'cause I'm Eastern Orthodox. That's um that's what I And uh I heard a uh it was a a great story my priest told me. And so basically how this went is there was monks.
Uh they lived in a commune and one monk uh liked to get drunk. That was his big vice, right? And he drank a lot of beer. And he did this clear up until the day that he died. And when he died, uh everyone was crying. And uh Monk said, Well, you know, why why is everyone crying? You know, he held that vice.
Clear up till the day he died. Yeah, and the head of the of the the co the abbot who was there, he said, Yeah, but the last few years he cut it in half. He was on the path. Yeah. He was well, he's just saying I'm gonna recognize all the progress that this man who had this horrible vice uh did, right? There was still progress. He was still trying to move towards the virtue. Yeah. Now maybe he never got to it, but we're I'm still gonna recognize that he was trying to.
And maybe he qu he was not able to surmount it. He was not able to get past his demons. Maybe he wasn't able to overtake them all. But he was at least attempting to. Right. That's the thing. That's the that's the thing. Well it's it's this idea of like someone being a perfect person is it's it's nonsense. It doesn't exist.
And so if you don't have a pathway to forgiveness and if you don't If you don't have that b built into your society, you're always gonna have people pointing out the people that are the bad people. and it's gonna keep moving in that direction. And it's one of the things you see in the left in particular is they eat their own. And it it's drives me crazy when I see that also from the right. I'm like
You don't you see that the people that you criticize are doing this and now you're doing this? You guys are turning on each other over the most innocuous things? And and forming tribes where you're attacking each other even though you have mostly shared values, instead of being charitable and recognizing that, you know, these are just human beings and they make mistakes and But the left eats itself more than any fucking group that I've ever
Uh over almost nothing. And they love to pile on because they're absolutely terrified that it's gonna come for them. They're fucking terrified. And so they will go out of their way. to shame and attack and to take some of the energy away from them. But do you think there's a unity in that? Like if we were to if if we were to look at this again like from a bird's eye.
I agree with you. The left eats itself way more than the right does. Though the right eats itself too. Right. And we've been seeing a lot of that post Charlie Kirk's death. I though I think that that was mostly power vacuum based and who gets to fill the power vacuum I still think that it's it it turned into a dog eat dog for the power vacuum fight and it was a criticism of values, foundationalism and all that.
But from the left view, if you eat if you're eating your own, right, and you eat the message apart to the point where you get down to the foundation and now everybody's in lock and step, is that better for political power or worse? Like if you constantly are just eating the wrong nope, that message isn't pure enough and they gobble'em up until you get the monster, right, who has the right message. They're all on board.
Is is that the better way to achieve this kind of like political paradigm that they want? That's my question. It's very naive. It's a it's a naive perspective that eventually you're gonna boil it down to a purity and you're not going to be able to do that. It's not gonna happen. You're you're never gonna get l far left enough. There'll always be something else to eat'em over. Yeah. Well also you're advocating for communism, and advocating for communism is so wide.
And people, there's no examples of it ever being done right. It's there's zero. Imagine advocating for something that has zero success. The zero. None. Like you can it doesn't exist. It does it's never happened. There's never been why Why? Well, I'll tell you why. Because if everybody has to share all the money, then who's gonna enforce that?
Who's gonna do who who's gonna tell people that you have to give up your house? Who's gonna tell people? The state. Yeah. So you're advocating for violence. Yeah. Well you don't think you're advocating for violence, but you are. You're advocating for Hard men with with guns to enforce your will. And those people are gonna wind up living in mansions and eating filet mignon and everybody else is gonna be eating O.
and gruel and uh that's which is exactly what's always happened when it's tried. And the thing the thing is interesting too is there's other there's other value set issues that are really simple to point to. Like, okay, nothing's worth anything. Like, how do I get my guitar? Right. It's nonsense. Like just y you know, all the communist nations were always setting their market prices based on what capitalists would s markets would set for prices. And it's like
How do I value a guitar? If it's i if if it's supposed to just be mine in the commune and then yours also and his also, how do we set a value assessment here? What makes the epiphone better than the Um another pro sorry folks, we had a crash. Software crash. Another problem is this idea of the equality of outcome that everybody should get an equal amount. That is crazy talk because we all know that equality of effort does not exist.
There's a reason why there's outliers and the reason why they're so compelling and so inspirational. It's like this fucking guy got up at five o'clock in the morning and ran every morning before work and hustled and and ate the right food and and fucking did the right things and was thinking and pushing and was open minded and and he became radically successful.
But from each according to their ability, Joe. But that no, it it's it's not even maximizing everyone's ability because you're you're basically giving a safety net for fucking lazy people. And that's not good for them either. No. No. Being inspired by others' success is a good thing. It's a good thing. And the only way that happens is if you let someone be exceptional. And the only way you let someone be exceptional, you have to incentivize.
Well what's the incentive? The incentive is they get more value out of their hard work. They get more money. They get a nicer house. They get like what are you gonna do? You gonna decide that people have to like mate? Like the th th women don't find this guy attractive, but that's not fair. So that they have to be with this guy, they have to find him attractive. Or that uh you know, a woman has to find this man attractive. Sure. Even though he's he's a
A dumpy fucking lazy loser. But this is the way of the world. Yeah. And competition is a good thing for human beings, it inspires us. It's good. It it it lets you know that there's a higher bar that can be achieved. And you often used to know who the lazy people were based on the living conditions they had. Yes. Isn't that interesting? Just like you would often know if there was an ugly kid that their parents
Probably were pretty ugly, right? Uh but it's true, right? Yes. It is true. The the idea here is like um people tend to bat in dating in their league, at least men do, right? Or try to, right? Yeah. Uh women above their league, but The thing is, is the reason you commonly see good looking people with good looking people and ugly people with ugly people is because that's about what you can get. Yeah. But it's the same thing when it comes to ability and skill and whatever it is that you're doing.
Right? Yes. Hey. Thing is, is like well oftentimes if you ask a person, my dad used to say this all the time, he was right. If you ask a person, are you where you're at based on things that happened to you or because of you? He said ninety eight percent of people will say because of things that happened to me and then when you ask'em about what those things are, you'll find out that it's because of them. You'll find out it's because
Of choices they've made, things that they've done, that's actually res what's responsible for the conditions that they're in. Oh, and by the way, for people that's not the case. Like trust fund kids are the most miserable motherfuckers I have ever met in my life. And they lose it all anyway. They a lot of'em do. But so they a lot of them are not fully formed human beings. And the way I always describe it, I'll I go, it's like
If you give uh if you make cement and you don't add all the stuff in the right way, you can't fix it later. Right. Right. So during the developmental process If you're fucking Joffrey from Game of Thrones
Like what are the odds that Joffrey's gonna fucking figure it out and get his shit together and be cool when he gets older? Exactly. Right. You just like you have the informed experience of the serial killing and it's like there's just no fixing you. There's no fixing. Yeah, there's no fixing it. I get that. I just the thing that's interesting is like uh When I look at the the communist paradigm versus the capital, you know, that's coming back.
That paradigm's coming back. And for a while it was kind of shoved off as like that's boomer shit. You know, but the Cold War's over, grandpa, right? Cold War's over, grandpa. There's no communist versus capitalist versus that that's all d it's like not it's not
It's not done. No. Not at all. It's not done. It's a story as old as time and it keeps fucking repeating itself. And it's just weird that people well I look, but also I believe in social safety nets because I think that there's a lot of people that are very unfortunate.
And there's a lot of people that do grow up with shitty parents or parents that have a bad situation in life. Maybe the father dies or the mother dies and there's no like it's good to be charitable and churches are fantastic at that. It's one of the the more pure charities that you're ever gonna find. Because their goal is really just to help those people. Unlike what what you think of as charities in the modern sense.
One of the grossest fucking things today is these enormous charities that everybody thinks, Oh, I'm gonna support this charity. It's doing so much good. Yeah, dude, I was watching this thing that it was either live I think it was live aid. You know, w one of those uh one of those concert things.
Bono, what was he involved in? Was it live aid? I don't remember, but Bono Bono I remember his speech where he was like, Capitalism's done more to take people out of poverty than anything else. I thought that was funny. It is funny. Yeah, but uh I don't remember which one he was involved in directly, but I know what you're referencing. Well, uh Mike Benz did this video today where he's explaining how an enormous percentage of that money went to regime change.
Like it went to prop up went to prop up CIA operations. Like The fucking money that people uh donated so generously to the LA fires, do you ever see where all that went? Where? It went to like a hundred different non profits. Like some of it was like Pro immigration the uh the it was like we we we we talked about it the other day. We had a whole list of all the different things that have been documented. Oh NGO so very little money is ever gonna go to the actual people that lost their house.
Almost all the money is gonna go to these nonprofits. All these nonprofits have overhead. It goes to their employees, it goes to the overhead costs. All these people got bonuses. But isn't that the same with the stuff? Yeah, but that's the same with the state. But how crazy is that
You get a bonus for running a fucking charity? That's crazy. Huge bonuses. Huge bonuses. Like hundreds of thousands of dollars or millions in bonuses. And that's the homeless situation. This is the other thing about the homeless situation in California. Oh, we're gonna p help the homeless. It's really important to donate to the homeless. Let's help the homeless. California spent twenty four billion dollars on the homeless problem. It got worse.
Not only did it get worse, they can't account for the money, and when the politicians have unanimously voted to try to do an audit to see where the money goes, Gavin Newsom has vetoed it. It's wild. Well, isn't it counterintuitive anyway?
If you're in an area and you say, Look, we're gonna be really good to the homeless here. We're going to give them a lot of money, a lot of entitlements, we're gonna really help them get on their feet. If you were homeless in a neighboring state, where would you go? Yeah, you'd move to a place with awesome weather. Yeah. They'll give you money. Where they're gonna give you money. Yeah. And so you know and
They do. They do just that. And so that's why these budgets become very bloated, right? People are like, wait a second, there used to be three homeless guys over there. Now there's a tent city. What the hell is going on? And they all get free crack. Yeah. Yeah. Or free needles in their needle exchange or whatever it is.
Um and it's it gets worse and worse. The state does the same thing. The state is allocating tons and tons of cash that it gets in Social Security tax. It's not going to Social Security. It's like these entitlements and entitlement spending. Well when people found out that social security is going to illegal immigration.
Oh yeah. An enormous amount of it. They were like, wait, wait, what? And they denied it. They denied it, and then you know, they had to fess up to it and whistleblowers and Well why would you have a pago system? Why would you have a system where you're like, this is social safety net? that you're paying into for your retirement that you have to pay into. Why wouldn't that go in a lockbox?
Why would you have a pa well because uh we want access to that money right now and we'll we'll pay it out later. That's what we'll do. We'll pay it out later. Uh it's like what? Why wouldn't you why wouldn't you have misappropriation? Of course. It's it's w it's wild that they're allowed to access the social security funds that are for your retirement. And then they're like
Well, we're gonna defund social security. So we'll shut the whole government down, right? Uh because then you won't get your social security checks. We'll weaponize the entitlement that should just be in a lockbox. Yeah. You know, it it's well uh we'll we'll pass funding for it. Funding for the thing they already paid? Well the idea also is that you are supposed to be paying into it so that you will get money when you retire. But your return on investment is so bad.
That's terrible. Inver and compared to what would happen if you spent that exact same money and put it in like a fund, a reliable fund, you would get so much more money when you retire. Like an enormous feel like it's hamstringing because if if it was the case that they let you keep you just opt out, you know, I don't want social security, I wanna keep it. And then you took that and you put it in those hedge funds and retirement accounts and things like this.
you would way maximize over what you get in social security. Yeah. You know, so but you can't opt out even though it's for you. There's nothing the government does good. Not a thing. Not a single thing. So why would they be good at that? And why would anybody support that? They're just not good at it, especially when it comes to money. There's always a bunch of shenanigans that take place.
You know, and the idea that they would say, Oh, social security is uh sacred. This this we're gonna really treat we're gonna maximize your y the amount of investment and really take care of people. We we really care Yeah. Uh we care about'em tons. It's so naive. It's just it's so naive and so obviously uh an ineffective and possibly corrupt system. Why hasn't it become a weapon? Entitlements are a weapon. Yeah. They're a political weapon. Well it it certainly helped.
Yeah. And and also again this suicidal empathy that Gad Sad talks about. If you're on the left you think of it as being like you're an empathetic person, a kind person, you want people to have money when they retire, you want people to have Medicaid and you want people to have welfare and you want people to have snaps. Who was a guy you brought up? Um I'm trying to think of his name. It was like uh maybe Professor Raft, something like that. They brought up the Papa New Guinea thing.
Do you remember the Papua New Guinea thing? Yes, I do. Yeah. So on the that little island, right? They have the Seminole people. And the Seminole people basically they molest young boys. That's what they do, right? Uh but apparently the young boys there, they love it because it's a rite of manhood, right? And it's all socially conditioned in.
The thing is with suicidal empathy, that's really funny here to point out to a leftist, from their paradigm, there's nothing wrong with that actually. Right. Where's the harm? Right. That's part of the suicidal empathy of the part of the ideology of suicidal empathy. So, like for me, from my worldview, it's like I don't care if you don't think there's harm in that. There is. We're stopping it. Emperor Andrew, pfft, done.
That's that's done. No more that's not allowed. I don't care if it's relativistic or not. It's over. Right. Yeah. I mean it it's crazy to try to defend that culture. That culture is so wild that The the Semen Warriors of Papua New Guinea. Yeah, the Semen Warriors of Papua New Guinea. Because they call the the the the children when I think they're sick The boys have to live with a man that they refer to as the anal father.
And this guy and in order for them to grow strong, they have to consume semen both orally and analyze. And so they get mouthfucked and ass fucked by this guy and then they continue that when they grow up. Mm-hmm. As part of their warrior culture. And what stopped it? You know what's what ended up finally stopping a lot of it? Is that going on anymore? It still is, but it a lot of it was stopped depending on the tribe you were in because of Christian missionaries.
Interesting. Because of Christian missionaries. But here's the thing that cracks me up, right, in this whole culturally relativistic nonsense, harm principles stuff. You're Christopher Columbus and you show up, and if culture's doing that, Don't you put'em to the sword. Right. Like if you see the pyramids and they're cutting people's hearts out and like we're holding it up to this to to the to raw or whatever, you're like
I'm supposed to feel bad that they put you to the store. Like it's really hard for me to feel bad about that. Right. Yeah, it's really hard for me to be upset about that. But with the seminal people, the same thing is like If you went in there and you just use strong armed force, this is why the libertarian NAP and stuff like that I disagree with,'cause it's like if you went in there and used strong armed force and just stopped it immediately, so what? So what?
How's the world a worse place for this? How is it you know, like and how is that not ultimately stopping an egregious sinful act? uh that you can stop with ease. Right. Like why not? Why not do that? Well Reggie, I just sold my car online. Let's go, Grandpa. Wait, you did? Yep, on Carvana. Just put in the license plate, answered a few questions, got an offer in minutes.
Easier than setting up that new digital picture frame. You don't say. Yeah, they're even picking it up tomorrow. Talk about fast. Wow. Way to go. So about that picture frame. Ah, forget about it. Until Carvana makes one, I'm not. Car Selling Made Easy. Well one of the things uh I got really into uh Aztecs research And because I d I did I wasn't aware um that
A lot of those temples that they found you would think that the people that build those incredible pyramids and temples No they found them, didn't they? Yeah. Well it turns out they didn't really build them. No, they found them. They found them. And they referred to him as the place where the gods were born. I didn't know that. I I I was always told that they built these incredible structures and then the Spaniards came and then they found them and
No, when No, they were primitives who found who found something that was extremely advanced and then used it for their primitive application. Not just primitive, but barbaric. Um when they completed the consecration of the temple of Tenochtitlan. Somewhere between twenty thousand on the low end and eighty thousand on the high end, they sacrificed twenty thousand, eighty thousand people within four days. in four days. And this was documented by God, I forget his name, um
something Diaz. He was a a Spanish chronicler. Because so this is before Cortez came. They you know, they they they started like trying to figure out what's going on over there and one one of the things that this guy came back he said This place is fucking crazy. Like they killed eighty thousand people. And a lot of people have disputed that eighty thousand people, but then they found so many bones that they're like, Okay, it's probably
Somewhere north of twenty thousand, which is crazy enough. They sacrificed him in four fucking days. Morality's relative. Right. What's that, Jamie? As many as four thousand. What do you mean bones? Yeah, the people the if they even if they did twenty thousand I think the number I th I saw was Four people It was like four people every minute. You would have had to do or is f it was something that almost impossible to accomplish?
Right, but they said that the no, I think if you looked it up I looked at something brought up. But I looked it up too. I looked it up yesterday actually. I looked it up yesterday and they were saying that uh that this guy who was the guy that um Okay. We can. I can I know I have it saved, so I can find it in here. Um So this guy uh this Diaz guy
Who's chronicling it? How long before Cortez was this? Really really soon. Okay. Like within a couple of decades before Cortez. Yeah. Um Oh god, I'm trying to find it. But it Spanish sources claimed eighty thousand four hundred victims in fourteen eighty seven. Right. But modern estimates suggest four thousand to maybe twenty.
Right. So twenty Okay. They don't n really know. So twenty eighty thousand might be exaggerated if you think about the number, but just think about twenty thousand people. Killing twenty thousand people by cutting their hearts out and throwing them down the steps of the pyramid in four days. It's fucking crazy. So if you're the Spanish
Th the Spaniards and you come here, you don't feel bad about conquering those fuckers. You're like what are you guys doing? Or how about when they showed up and they found the Mayans and they're playing football with human heads? Yeah. Now here's the funny one. they don't want to believe that they played football with human heads. So historians try to say that they didn't play football with human heads, even though there's artistic depictions of them playing football with human heads.
Like no, that was just symbolic. Well did they sacrifice humans? Yes they did, but um they played football with their heads. That would be rude. It's that that whole myth of the noble savage. Exactly. Then that whole myth of the noble savage is something which is utilized by the left. in order to make the claim that you are an imperialist and an occupier and a person who yeah, you c you have colonized their land. And the thing is is it's like If that's what we colonize
Why do I care? I ask this question all the time. Why do I care if that's what I colonized? If that's what my ancestors colonized? Why should I give a shit about that? Well there's an amazing book about Texas called uh Empire of the Summer Moon.
Uh it's all about the Comanche. This entire land used to be before Mexico owned it. By the way, uh one one of the funny things, this lady said to me, you know, uh m this all used to be Mexico. I'm like, right, but do you know how for how long? Fifteen years. Like I've been here for six. Like you gotta let that go. That's not that long. Fifteen years. And by the way, Mexico was only one And we had an Alamo over it, okay? Yeah. And by the way, Mexico was only one when it owned Texas.
Mexico started. With its new constitution. Yeah. Yeah. Because then also you have the language and the religion of your oppressed. that you're trying to say is this noble and incredible culture that you're bringing over to America. And you're all Catholic and you Yeah, you're all Catholic. You all speak Spanish. They used to have well first of all
The people, the Native American people and the original people and the Aztecs, the Mayas, the Mexicans, it's essentially the same kind of people. A lot of them are they look the same. It's like if you look at Sitting Bowl he looks like he could be working at a Takarian. My wife calls them the pygmy people. Oh, they're tiny little people in the city. They have flat noses and the the
The original people of Mexico had or what the land of Mexico had over a hundred languages. The Mayans alone had thirty different languages. They're all lost. Like these languages are all lost. And we're supposed to think it's noble that this em amazing culture that have the language and the religion of their oppressor.
And they want to m move here with this language they're colonizing. You're trying to colonize a place you've been colonized, you're trying to colonize, and here's the thing about colonizing. Everybody, everybody that doesn't live in Africa. Somewhere in their ancestry, there was a colonizer. Like if you go to Minnesota and you see these Somali communities and everyone's speaking Somali, they have Somali businesses. What do you think that is?
It's a colony. Of course. It's just not a big one. It just hasn't taken over the entire country. And when it does, you'll think it's great because they're not white. Right. Well, they're not colonizers. They're not called.
Yeah. Right. White people are colonizers. Yeah. White white people are the colonizers. Everyone else is the immigrant. Nobody feels bad for Swedish chicks with big tits that are moving to America. You don't think that those are colonists? Yeah. Don't care. Yeah. Don't care. It's only it's only the coloni it's only the colonization Oh man. Well, the thing is funny, moving back to the to the myth of the noble savage thing.
How weaponized that is when so much of it isn't true. Like for instance, you've heard of the two spirits. Yes. Right. That's all that's all that's all bullshit too. The whole two spirit people, all bullshit, came from like one guy. I don't remember started with a B, right? Um, who could like Bardece or something like this that they called him, right? And it was one tribe of people. Who d who uh had some like weird thing that they did. That was it? Well it's probably Gaga.
Yeah, that's the thing. Yeah, that's where the whole two spirit thing came. And then suddenly it's like no, the Native Americans had the two spirit it's like no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That is not the case at all. You just made it up because then you could throw it in with your Skittles bullshit. Right. So that's the rainbow. Yeah. The rainbow. Yeah. Well n the thing about this area here, before Mexico owned it, it was Comancheria.
Uh it was owned by the Comanche. But you know how they owned it?'Cause they killed the fucking Apache. That's that's how they were fucking brutal. That's why this Empire the Summer Moon book is so Because it just shows you how unbelievably barbaric the Comanche were. They were the baddest motherfuckers around. Because they had figured out horse race.
Um and by the way, they only got those from Spanish. Yeah, yeah, yeah. From Europeans, right? Yeah, which is crazy. Because horses actually originated in North America. I thought they were in Europe and brought here in from Europe. No horses originated in North America and then made their way to Asia and then were wiped out in North America and then reintroduced to Spanish.
The natives didn't have access to'em until Europeans brought Okay. That's what I thought. Their culture was so incredibly wild. If you think about it, like you you you know, you're talking about Well you you think about Europe and Asia, you've got people riding horses and building cities and you've got like agriculture and all these things and in North America you basically have Stone Age. It's really kind of crazy. Really kind of fascinating.
And then they get horses. And the Comanche were the first ones that really figure out horse breeding. They figured out how you know, the how to castrate their horses. And they became Mongols. Yeah. They basically became Mongols. They became Mongols once they had access to horses. Yeah. Well that was what
That was the whole distinction anyway. If you if you reduce it all between the s two civilizations, Europeans had domesticatable animals, natives didn't. Right. And because we had domesticatable animals, we had labor. We built these these amazing societies and they didn't. Yeah. Like the difference that a work ox and a work horse can make in labor is astronomical. Yeah. And so, you know, like, um, that's that's the real difference. Same thing with disease. You're like, ah
You know, the whites brought over all their diseases. Like, well th all those came from animals, smallpox, all that. Got immunity because we w of animal husbandry. They didn't have any immunity to any of that. And they brought that syphilis back to Europe and then all the Europeans started going crazy and
Getting holes in their head and losing all their hair. And that's where the big wigs came from. And then eating mercury pills to cure themselves. It's really kind of fascinating. But the point is, even the people that live In America before those settlers came, those people came from somewhere else. They came from Siberia. You know, everyone thought. Everyone.
People th you start in Africa million years ago, whatever it is, and then people start slowly moving away from the people that were kicking their ass looking for a better place to live. But isn't the whole thing from the leftist paradigm just to create um Or to delegitimize Uh the fact that you can say
What do you mean? My my grandpa was born here. Right. His grandpa was born here. Right. I'm an American and I have a right to my nation because uh by birth. I have a birthright to to the land that I'm on and so do my fellow countrymen and they
Nope, it's an attempt to delegitimize that, right? That's the whole point. Just to delegitimize your claim to your own land. Well that's what we were talking about earlier with left's with leftists where there's this purity test that no one can ever pass because they'll always keep pushing the boundaries further and further. You're you're never going to be y y there's n there's no like real Americans. Everyone who's
It's fucking goofy. And it's just designed to point at someone that someone is the bad person. And this is the reason why life sucks. and also dismiss any of the terrible activities that any of the other people participate in because like oh they're they're just oppressed. They're oppressed people so they're lashing out. Do you think what like if you had if you again the bird's eye view, what do you think the left what do you think their end goal is here? I don't think they know.
I don't think their end goal. Their end goal is their enemy is the r the right and the right is Nazis and fascists. They want to eliminate the Nazis and f they want to roll initiative.
Right. Right. Yeah, they want and they're two D six damage, it's happening. And they think that once they get into power everything will be fine. But it's not going to. And not only that, what would be fascinating is if Someone from the left started behaving exactly like the people that are on the right, just did it from a perspective of the left. where you would think, Oh, this is okay and that's what we got during the Obama administration. I sent you this thing, Jamie.
A little bit ago. The clip of Obama Talking about immigration. By the way, Obama de I and I was mistaken on this. I thought that a lot of the people that Obama deported were people that were turned away at the border. Uh uh. That was a third. Most of the people out of the I think it was three million over the course of his presidency. Uh that were deported were fucking deported. Like arrested, deported. A lot of people were killed. Let's put on the headphones so we can
This this sounds very MAGA. Listen to this. There are those in the immigrants' rights community who have argued passionately. That we should simply provide those who are illegally with legal status. least ignore the laws on the books and put an end to deportation until we have better laws. And often this argument is framed in moral terms. Why should we punish people who are just trying to earn a living? I recognize the sense of compassion that drives this argument.
But I believe such an indiscriminate approach would be both unwise and unfair. It would suggest to those thinking about coming here illegally that there will be no repercussions for such a decision. And this could lead to a surge in more illegal immigration. And it would also ignore the millions of people around the world who are waiting in line to come here legally.
Ultimately, our nation, like all nations, has the right and obligation to control its borders and set laws for residency and citizenship. And no matter how decent they are, no matter their reasons, the eleven million who broke these laws should be held accountable. That sounds so Republican. In two thousand ten that was a Democrat saying that and everybody was like, Well, okay. That's reasonable. Yeah. And I reasonable Tom Homan.
Who is the head now was the guy then and he gave him a fucking medal. Find the clip of Hillary when she's running in twenty twelve. Where Hillary is more MAGA than Trump. The way she frames things is so hardcore right wing she sounds to the right of Marjorie Taylor Green. If you've never seen this, have you seen this one? I think so, but I'm gonna look again. Wonderful. It's wonderful. Cause it just shows you how much horseshoe by the way how good.
He was such a good spokesperson. Like the way he talked was so it was so measured and so noble in the way he phrased his uh his sentences. Like it was really it's really interesting how much perception. plays a factor in what you think of as like someone being a good president. Because everybody on the left thinks of him as being like the most amazing president ever. Oh, yeah, this isn't the one and he wasn't. But this isn't the one the one is she's giving a speech.
Maybe it's not twenty twelve. It might have been two thousand eight. Don't don't d do uh Hillary is more MAGA than than Trump. See if you could find it. Uh it I know it's on YouTube, but it's this amazing campaign speech. Where you got it? Uh this is two thousand eight. Is it two thousand eight? Yeah, that's it. That's it. Here it is. Listen to this. I love this one! Cheers.
You're gonna learn English, everybody's cheering. Yeah, they love it. They love it. And now Trump Trump's a Nazi. Yeah. Trump's a Nazi. That is more right wing. than Marjorie Taylor Green. Yeah, the the Democrats were I mean, there used to be labor unions that would put pressure on'em, right? Uh, this was a big thing. Like there was labor unions, that was what the Democrats had. Yes. And the labor unions did not want
uh the cheap labor to come in and displace them from having their nice little high wage jobs. And so it was all about we gotta deport the illegals. Like but what did Bernie Sanders say? Mass illegal immigration is a right is a right wing Koch brothers uh conspiracy to bring in cheap labor. And he wasn't wrong. Right. Okay, he wasn't wrong. He wasn't wrong. But the thing is is it's like The what the hell are we fighting over here?
Well, we're fighting over the fact that uh the the left is just trying to ingratiate itself with power and they don't really care about what the moral paradigm is. As long as they can get their people in power, they'll use anything as a lichpin issue. That's right. It's all about power. The whole thing is about power. And that's what people need to truly understand. You're being played. You're being played. You're being played in Minneapolis. You're being played I mean if you think
That once they get complete if they did w they were successful, they imported millions more to all these swing states, they allowed them to vote, they completely rigged the system. Now it's only you think that's gonna be good for everybody? You're out of your fucking mind. Do you think then that Christians knowing this, they know that these are bids for power when you have Christian nationalism on the rise and Christians moving towards that?
Doesn't that seem like it's a rational and reasonable thing to do for them to want the mindset of if we're not in power, they will be in power. It's rational from their perspective for sure. What people are terrified of is that it would restrict the freedom of religion and that you would impose Christianity on the entire country.
You know, and I I don't think you should impose any kind of religion on any people. I think people should be free. I've never seen the I know that they there are, of course, the the people who push that there has to be an established theocracy in order for Christian nationalism to work. But the frameworks that I've seen that have political legitimacy don't seem to push for that at all.
They push instead that the ideas that Christians should not be hamstrung from the ideals of of holding power itself, that that does not make you bad or evil or awful, no matter what the left says Christian or how Christians are supposed to act. And that when you are in power, you should rule with Christian ethics in mind. That's how you're supposed to pass policy, public, you know, public uh public policy of all kinds. It's through those ethical means.
That certainly sounds like that. Um that doesn't seem like it's a n a necessary component. No. Well uh people are afraid of the concept of a theocracy. And I think that people are afraid of just human nature and that if people did get into power that that's what it would become just like these people are just trying to get into power that they would use Christianity as a as a vehicle and they would just use that as an ability to control people.
Human beings, when they get into any position of power, like to keep it and expand it. It's like that's what they do. You know, I I tell jokes, I talk shit. That's what I do. I like to talk shit, I like to tell more jokes. But there have been good kings, right? There have But boy, good luck.
Good luck finding a benevolent dictator to Well, not anymore. I don't I don't think you would have to use a utilize a dictatorship. But if it's the case that we can point to like there were people who had a lot of power Who fundamentally were pretty good. What was it that they're pointing to that made'em good? Like
Is there something we can point society towards that can make our leaders a bit better? That can make our leadership not hyper focus on uh the nonsense of like gay marriage and stuff like that, which is completely and totally
unimportant at the political level and she didn't be up to the federal government anyway. Yeah, and I think it's a political tool too. You know, uh Anna Paulina Luna w was on the podcast and she said something that I d really didn't consider about certain political problems that exist in this country that they don't want to solve them because they want to use them to find
They want to run on those principles. They want to run on those. It needs to always be there as an issue. And it's like uh I fe I think a lot of these can be solved. Like uh if we if we were to have politicians in mass and their supporters in mass who followed Christian ethics. I do think a lot of those sub issues get solved very quickly. If it's true Christianity, if they really do follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. But I think what people are really worried about is like
But people think about Christians, they think about the worst case scenario of Christianity, which is like evangelicals on television that just try to get private jets. But how is selecting atheists Or electing socialists better, or electing any of these people better. It can't be better, right? Right. It's not better like if someone's a complete sociopath that doesn't have any moral framework, like a Gavin Newsom type guy. Like that's that's even more
Yeah. So it's like if we're if I'm gonna be ruled, can I at least be ruled by people who have my ethics or really who really believe in that they're trying to make the world a better place and they're not just trying to acquire wealth and and help their donors acquire more wealth. It's spooky. It's spooky because people that have power
the you know, it scares the shit out of everybody else and it should because historically it's never been good. It's almost always when people have power they want more power and they wanna also support the people that helped them acquire that power. And then they wanna make sure they got that power locked down.
So what's the best way to do that? Well you restrict people's ability to express themselves, restrict people's ability to travel, you take away as much money as possible, tax them as highly as possible, so that they're always in this like state of constantly struggling to pay their bills. You keep them conflict no one's comfortable ever.
And then, you know, have this problem that we have to solve. This is why you have a problem. It's uh these people. Yeah. And we're the solution. The causers. Yeah. The causers are the solution. Do you uh You know, one of the things that I I I mean you you engage in so many fucking debates, man. I've I've watched I've consumed a lot of your content online and I always wonder like what i does that wear on you after a while? Constantly. Oh yeah, all the time. All the time. Well the thing is is it
I I argue from a worldview. My worldview is Christian ethics. And this is a foundation from which all other arguments are starting and ending. Now I I'm happy to meet people in the middle. A lot of people want to argue in the mid
I'm gonna get past all the foundational stuff and we're gonna go to the menu or the middle of the argument and start there. And I'm kinda happy to do that to kinda move the move everything backwards or forward so we can either get to the end or we can get to the beginning and get this. Yes, what wears on me the most about it is there's a lot of people who I debate with who I know don't believe
I know. I know for sure. And I there's moments where I catch myself where I recognize it right then, at that moment in the debate, and then I'll hammer'em. But it happens all the time where I'm like, you know. There's no way and then they'll come back with a You know, with a re I do and and and you can just tell it's disingenuous. Yeah. Right. I can't logically show it. I there's no way for me to logically show necessarily your no your motivation, maybe in extreme context, but
Yeah, man, there's people who are pretty disingenuous about their view and there's times where it comes out and the whole audience can see it and you can see it and you're just like, just why? Just why are you do you like you don't even believe the shit yourself? And you're you're propagating it on other people and you know people will follow it, you know there's some cash there, you know there's a but you're doing it anyway. You're doing it anyway. Like I've always thought in my head. Right.
Well like Coomer, like he just all he does is he he basically he's like a sexual degenerate, right? Is that what a Coomer is? Yeah, well a Coomer it's uh it's a little more mild than that. Coomer's just like um
Kind of one of the higher values is just kind of having sex with everyone, right? It's around like that's what you do. Yeah, yeah. He did yeah, well he's all kinds of sexual apparently. But the thing is is like um I've often thought that there's times where I'm talking to the guy where I'm like, I y you don't believe that.
Like you just there's no fucking way you believe that shit. You're making it up. And I know you're making it up. Right. And you'll catch him at times and be like, whatever I gotta say to win the argument. Yeah. And it's like, yeah, I believe that. I believe that, but it's like there are people who genuinely believe their view and are excellent debaters, uh backing their view.
And I love those engagements. You know, I live for those engagements. The problem is is like it's five percent of'em. Right. A lot of people are just trying to win, right? Well not just trying to win, but I don't even have a problem with going into a debate with a mindset of winning it. If you're representing a view you believe. Right.
You want to win the engagement. Whether it's a conversation or it's a debate, you wanna you wanna win people over to your side. You wanna even win the person you're talking to over to your side. You know, or maybe sometimes you gotta be brutal and destroy the view completely so people don't move towards it. Both of those are completely I I consider'em both fine and I think they're both effective.
But the issue that I have ultimately is when you're arguing with somebody and you know they don't believe what they're saying. Yeah. And yeah, that that wears on you. And uh it's not just that but Sometimes you hear the same recycled arguments over and over and over and I'm like, you don't even have to tell me anymore.
I can get to the end before you can. I can tell you exactly where you're gonna go, what you're gonna say, why you're gonna say it, what your justification's gonna be, and I can just get to the end and take care of this right now. It's gotta be w uh how old are you? Uh forty two. So it's just turned forty two. Weird like in your late thirties, early forties, to like have entered into this world. Oh yeah.
That'd be so strange. I mean to be like a normal working class guy d doing literal nobody from nowhere, no political experience. Nothing. I had no no entryway, nobody in entertainment, nobody to help me along, nothing. And so was it just seeing how ridiculous people were being during the COVID pandemic that like motivated you to be vocal about all this stuff? It well and I had time. Yeah. You know, time's a big one. But with the with the layoff it's like, oh
Well, I don't really have a lot to do and I'm listening to this and it's like now I can maybe I can engage a little, maybe I can get involved a little bit. You know, not much. I didn't think m I didn't think anything would ever come of it, you know what I mean? I just wanted I saw my view wasn't being represented very well. But did you have uh
a history of education? Like were you were you just reading books? Like where did you develop these ideas? Yeah, well it wasn't just from books, right? I would listen to long form uh hi you know, historic podcasts. Um I would more than anything I would be listening to. to you know, the the mediums changed, but I would listen to what people had to say on a a variety of issues and I would watch the news incessantly and I would be able to pick out what's true and what's not true after a while.
Uh political education comes from a variety of sources. You can't get it from the news, and you can't get it from listening to just podcasts, and you can't listen get it by just talking to people. You have to take a sum total of everything. All of it.
in order to at least be even moderately politically savvy and understand what's going on in the world. And I realize most people make commentary on things that they have no fucking idea what they're talking about. Right. And so how did you transition to doing this as a job Um well it was about two years in to uh doing this. I was like, Look, I sat sat down with my wife and I said
I'm not making enough money on my podcast to quit my job, there's no way. You know, or doing debates to quit my job, there's no way. But I think I can't. I actually think I could if I just focused my time on it. I think I could do it, replace my income. That's a big risk, right? It was a huge risk.'Cause you have a family. Yeah, huge risk. Yeah. And she said, Okay
Wow. Gave me a kiss and uh next day went in, quit and I was like, I don't know what the fuck I just did. I was you know, it's um in some ways it was like It it's like, oh, I'm gonna go be a big football star to you know, screw you to your boss, you know what I mean? And it's like
It wasn't the same exactly, but it was a big risk. But I just thought, you know, I really can make a go of this. If I can focus my time and energy on this, I think I'll do really well at it. Well I think you have a very unique mind for it. And uh I think you're very good at And I also think you have really good points that are very valuable for people to hear. And uh you're really good at pointing out the logical fallacies and pointing out the ridiculous thought processes
that a lot of these people have. And I I you know, that's important, man. It's it's important for society. And we probably don't think of it that way. Probably just enjoy doing it and I feel like it's but it's valuable. Because there's not a lot of people that are good at it. I get hundreds of DMs weekly from people and they'll say thing and th this again I'll never get used to it. But what I do this is my problem.
I sit down every morning, uh, I have a cup of coffee and I just respond to every DM. For me, yeah, do you probably get too many, right? Yeah, it's untooing. I I get I thought so too. I thought well if I start getting hundreds every day, there's just no way, but I still do it every morning. How much time does it take you? Takes me hours, about two hours.
Two hours every morning I'll sit down and I'll go through'em. And I can't send back long paragraphs but usually I'll read exactly what they say and even I'll just say something like Thanks for the support or Uh, you know, I really appreciate you saying that. Uh that means a lot, you know.'Cause it does. Yeah. To me, it's my privilege to have fans. It's not uh their privilege to be.
And so when I started to see that and I started to see wait, this actually does have a massive effect on people, I also began taking it very much more seriously because I understood Uh you I can also say things that do the opposite. They could m move people towards the opposite of things which are which are good. You know what I mean? Or things which are uh things which you should be moving towards.
And so, you know, I do take it seriously and I understand my job is to represent a worldview. And when I go into a debate, that's exactly what I think. Millions of people are going to see this worldview on display. I'm representing it. I need to do the best I can to represent it well. To be an intelligent, reasonable person who's both well read and has very good points that you can express about social issues, societal issues is It has
It it's a massive thing. It's it's a very important thing that um you know, mainstream media is not doing a good job of filling that role. It just doesn't. You know, there's not a lot of people out there. I mean, Christopher Hitchens is dead. There's not a lot of people out there that are really good at debating against ridiculous people and exposing this and and it's it's so important for people to sit down and see something like that and to r to recognize like, oh, I've heard people
Talk. Oh, I've always wondered like that doesn't make any sense. Why doesn't someone tell that guy to shut the fuck up? Why doesn't someone got and you do that? That's my job. That's your job. My job is to go in specifically and say, Why don't you shut the fuck up? Because what you're saying What you're saying is so detrimental to people too. Yeah. And it's it's nightmare fuel for'em. Like I mean people hear this stuff, man. Like I I remember this one guy DM me and he was like, Andrew
He said, I'll listen to him, man, and I just fucking rage in my truck. I'm like, I fucking hate these bastards. He's like, but I can't stop listening. He's like and it he his mindset was I wanna know what the enemy's thinking, right? That's his mindset. Yeah. And I think a lot of it is maybe that particular guy's addicted to rage or whatever, whatever you want to frame it.
I don't think so. I think the truth is is that when people are trying to get to the bottom of things. They're trying to be like, Why is this happening? Why is this going on? Why do these people think the way they do? And then they start listening to'em, sometimes it's way worse than you thought.
It's like you really believe that shit? You really think that that's the case? You really think that we should be doing anything like this? What is wrong with you? Yeah. And I I think that for a lot of people that could be a a very kind of like jarring experience for'em. And I I think that that's healthy though. I think that's healthy for you to be kind of jarred out of complacency a little bit. Well it's certainly healthy for other people to watch.
'Cause certain people lean in one direction or the other and they're not really exactly sure how they feel about things. And sometimes someone who has bad ideas can be very compelling with these bad ideas. Because they're not being confronted by someone who's bet You know, and I think that's a very important. Yeah. You know, even even some if you just draw a stalemate. It's like sometimes even that's good enough. Mm-hmm. Um because it's like, you know
maybe I was leaning towards this or I was leaning towards that, but I'm not sure again. Sometimes that's the be the best thing, right? Maybe maybe you shouldn't be too sure on this side or that side. Right. Um, but y you know, before you commit. At least maybe I can stop you from making a uh committal to this. Tons of people are like, Man, I was on the fence about Christianity.
And I was on the fence about orthodoxy, was on the fence about this, I was on the fence about that. This debate did it for me, listening to what these people had to say, this debate did it for me, this debate did it for me. Uh you know, different fans have different highlights that they like because they're all coming from different walks of life. But they're all very similar in one aspect. Most of my audience are married men.
uh, you know, or marriageable age. But you know, late twenties, uh through thirties, early forties. That's that's about the demographic, but mostly like thirty two to forty five. And so these people they have some life experience. They're not dummies. And they're listening to and they're like, It's about time someone told that. Yeah. You know, somebody somebody let'em know what was going on. Somebody challenged those ideas. Somebody buried'em.
And um yeah, that's that's what I'm effective at doing. And uh that's what I'm gonna keep doing because these people are and the higher here's what I've learned. The higher I go. in confrontation with the higher level people, the dumber they get. Really? The dumber they get. Back in the old Twitch blood sport days when it was fifty live viewers and me against two leftists and we were slugging it out, they were smarter.
They were s these were s much smarter people than the high level academic. Like it took on these two academics recently at DebateCon. Both of them are uh Ivy League graduates, right? It was nothing. I could have I could have easily destroyed them while enjoying a hot bowl of soup. It would not have like it was just it was it was inconsequential.
Why do you think that is? I well, I think it's because of there's a degree of ass kissing and there's a degree of people around you affirming over and over and over how fucking great you are. That's where that egotism comes in, where I was saying earlier in the podcast you have to be make sure you're grounded. Make sure that your ego never takes over. Make sure that you don't become the thing that you hate, right? Right. And it's so easy to do.
But it's also I think I think that as they go Things become more cerebral and academic rather than applicable. And those kind of old debates that I was doing was people living in it. not external from it. Mm. And so they th you know, it did they had real emotion behind it. This wasn't just a thing on a chalkboard. Right. You know? So uh and the other thing is I think a lot of people get where they are in media.
Through connections and not because of merit. I think a lot of people who are in media and are political pundits have no fucking business being there at all. They're dumb as a box of rock. And they're there because they had connections or they had friends who assisted them in getting in the position they are. Uh, and when they are are actually confronted on their views they fall apart.
They totally fall apart. I've seen comedians, comics, who were on the road for years, do better in academic debates than academics. Yeah. And I well, how is this possible? Well it's possible because that guy has real world experience. He's probably just as well read as you had a lot of downtime, right? So he educated himself, but he can do the thing you can't. He can apply it.
That guy ha he has a way to apply this knowledge in a wor in a framework that works because he's part of the apparatus of the world. And there was nobody there Where he was like he tugged on their their shirt sleeve and said, Hey daddy, or hey, you know, Uncle Bucks or whoever, you know, I wanna be on Fox News and now they have an inn.
You know, and I think a l a lot of that in media happens. I think it's very it's very a lot of nepotism there and a lot of people just really got no business being there at all. Don Lemon. Don Lemon.
Not just Don Lemon. I mean Noah. I just like to pick on him because he picked on me. Yeah. Well I don't know what Don Lemon's doing picking on any of it. Like you would you would the same thing. You would destroy Lemon while enjoying a hot bowl of soup. It would just be nothing because Lemon's biggest problem He had never had any business. He was he was a token. Literally a token. He was the token gay black guy. Yeah. He was not valued for his greed.
insights and wonderful political takes and the fantastic way in which he broke down the issues of our time. He was valued'cause he was a gay dude who was black, who was like liberal talking points. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. I agree. Hey listen man, I enjoyed this. Let's do it again sometime. Absolutely. And tell everybody your show, The Crucible, where they could find it. Yeah, my show is the Crucible on YouTube.
Uh you can also make sure you go and grab a copy of my wife's book, Occult Feminisms, fantastic. I brought you a copy, Joe. Cool. And then uh I know you I know you love feminine. That's why I brought that copy. And then um you can also catch me uh debate university. It's a uh thing that I've done for years. It uh it'll teach you how to debate.
You can go check that out as well, debateuniversity.com. I really appreciate the tie. Hey, I appreciate you being here, man. I think what you're doing is great.