#2383 - Ian Edwards

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It's got the sauna walls and shit. It's very close to what the old one was instead of brick we went with wood.'Cause we were kind of faking it with the brick in the old place. It was fake brick. It wasn't fake brick, it was real brick, but what they do is they take like um a mess.

And then they take real bricks and they slice'em thin and then they put up the cement and they glue the real bricks in place. But it's not really a brick wall. It just looks like a brick wall. Uhhuh. I feel like a real brick wall should only be the only brick wall that's a good idea.

Right. You sh like I went to a pool hall the other day and they had a plastic brick wall and I got deeply disappointed. Like I touched it and I was like, Oh, this is a fake brick wall. This is bullshit. This is plastic. Yeah. I mean it's it's a push to have like a

half fake brick wall. But to have like a plastic brick wall. That's that's you're going to be able to do that. Did you just leave the pool hall like fuck this place? No I did. No. No I'm a junkie. But the the the brick it used to bother was fake brick at the other studio. I'm like, we're kinda bullshitting here. Some people have like uh some comedy clubs or somebody fake a comedy spot. They have the it's just a sheet. Yeah. Uh uh like a

It's not a curtain but A brick sheet. A brick sheet. Just show whatever's back there. It's weird how that became the backdrop for a comedy club, a brick wall. Why? It's a good question. I don't know when it starts. Maybe it started with Evening at the Improv. What was Evening at the Improv's backdrop? Was that a brick wall? It might have been that simple. Right.'Cause back in the nineteen eighties

It makes me wonder if that wall is that Ellen. Look at that picture of Ellen. That's crazy. That's crazy. Wow. Wow. When I started uh doing comedy, I used to go to the comic strip and they had a brick wall too. And uh to get on stage at the comic strip you had to come the first Friday of every month and try to pick a number. And if you got a number, they had like a lot of things. There's like all these open micers lined up down the street. Mhm. And then This is the dreadlocks Ian's days. This is

Pre dreadlocks. You didn't have dreadlocks? No. I might have had like twist and shit. Please don't find none of those photos. How long have I known you? Like thirty years or something. Yeah, we've known each other thirty years. That's crazy. Wow. We were little babies. Yeah. Little babies. Doing the Boston. Yep. Yeah. I it's crazy when I play like how not how but

We j we just had no fucking idea. Yeah. Like how all this shit would turn out. No idea. Yeah. With no idea even how it all worked. Right. Taking chances on stage, trying to figure out what's funny, and then trying to get work. Trying to get work on the road. Mm-hmm. I just knew Once I had the inclination to do it. The moment I had the inclination to do it I said, Oh, I'm doing this for the rest of my life.

like that once that moment hit, so then all bets on everything else was off. Mhm. And I just started just doing it. And just doing it locally in Long Island. And then I remember seeing A and the improv and seen Chappelle on the process. And I noticed that all the comics on Long Island that used to like be ahead of me and host the shows that I was doing the mics on

and headlined all weekend excuse me, all weekend in Long Island. None of those comics were on T V. So I was like, I gotta get to Manhattan. Like all the comics Yeah. That were on T V were in Manhattan. I felt the exact same way. Living in Boston. All these guys I knew they were so funny, but none of them were on TV. Yeah.

But the thing is like I knew that the people that on it were on T V, then they could go anywhere. Once you were on TV, then you could go to Kansas. Yeah. You could go to Miami, you can go anywhere. But if you weren't on TV, man nobody was gonna come pay to see you. It was a risk. Yeah. You know, you're out with your wife, you got a date night, like Take a chance on this motherfucker.

I don't know. Look at his face, his stupid fucking dreadlocks. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I was on T V fan. Is it it's weird though, right? Like nobody nobody knew. Nobody I I feel like we knew though, like inside, like we had some type of blueprint'cause we'd seen like successful comics. Yes. But to go from Like so and I came here, m moved to America for last seventeen from Jamaica. So I when I started watching T V I didn't know anybody on T V.

You know what I'm saying? I don't know. Anybody on TV. So like what do you remember the first shows you saw? Well, they have American shows on TV in Jamaica. We had one channel back then. Uh-huh. Was it one or we had one? So when I came here I watched S and L'cause Eddie Murphy was on that shit. So that was uh a requirement. That's always watching that. Now I finally can figure out how old you are. I don't lie, I just don't tell. It's two different things. It's two different things.

I might run past the question. I tricked you with that Eddie Murphy line. He was only on for two seasons. I gotcha. That's hilarious. Yeah, but I was five years old. Was it was uh Eddie Murphy on for two seasons or one season? I think he was out for two seasons, if I'm guessing. Doesn't say?

Was he really? Oh, you got a little room for error? I got a little room for error. Oh eighty four. Always got a little room for error. Come on, man. So that's three years. Yeah. So you did the eighty four oh you did the eighty one and eighty four? Yeah, eighty two. Oh, season eighty one. Okay. So four seasons. So he put in his time. Mm-hmm. There's like uh you know saying about Cam Patterson getting on S N L now. Right. He might be the first guy in a long time to become a movie star.

From that. Yeah.'Cause it w kinda went away. Kinda went away. You know, in the Mike Myers days and Phil Hartman and and obviously Adam Sandler and like everybody became a movie star from David Spade. They all became movie stars. But then that kind of stopped.

You know? And they kinda did it to themselves with all that woke bull shit. Like they kinda like they killed comedy movies. Or they just pick somebody funny. Like there's people they overlook all the time that we know are funny. Yeah. That could be on that show. So it's good that they picked Cam. I must say some positive derogatory shit about Cam. That's number one. Fuck Cam. I remember the first time I saw Cam. And I saw Cam. We were at What's what's what's the

the f that room on six. The Vulcan? The Vulcan. Yeah. So I think I just did your room, then I went to the Vulcan and then they don't t and and uh what's his name like y you're next and then Cam was to the side so then I knew he was next. It was like the unknown show. Uhhuh. So then I bring him up and I watch him and then I had a tag for him. And I said, I'm gonna give you this tag after he got off stage, I'm gonna give you this tag, but it's only gonna make you

better than me and you're gonna get picked up and advanced. I could just tell. If I was angry and I loved him at the same time. You know what I'm saying? Somebody just got it and they Fuck this guy. They got it. Yeah. You gotta celebrate it. You gotta celebrate it because

We got into this as fans. Mm-hmm. You got into as fans. And if someone's funnier than you, you gotta go, God damn, he's funny. It it'll inspire you to work. Yeah. And you can g be funnier than you are, but you can only be so funny. Yeah, but this is how crazy it got. So then Two months later I'm in LA. I see him at the store.

And I said, what's up, man? You in town? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. They said, yeah, I'm here with my manager. It's my manager. Your manager's managing him. Oh my gosh. I was like, I knew it. I knew it. Meanwhile, your manager's been ducking your calls. Sorry, I'm on a jet with Cam. Call you soon. Yeah. All's great. But that's how

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Close to parallels were but on stage. He's he does the Like you have to sit down and work on shit. You have to. I mean, the guys who excel at it, like Ari Maddie, Hans Kim, him, those guys like they fucking work hard. Yeah. You know, and a bunch of people did it for years and years and years. Like William Montgomery is probably he's b I think he's the longest running guy ever. Right. But he's such a maniac, he can get a minute out of anything.

Right. It's like a big part of who what his comedy is is just his personality. Yeah. Which is great. Uhhuh. You know,'cause he's kind of a character. He's such a freak that when he's on stage kind of anything is funny. Yeah, he like like you know what makes me mad? Like when you say that, I finally just see what Will is. because it's obvious to see what Cat Williams is. Mm-hmm. Like

It's a part of him and it's his voice. And it's like a co I call it a comedy cheat because I don't have it. Right, right, right. But like they're gonna talk. It's gonna be funny. Then if they add some writing to it, then you don't stand a chance.

Joey Diaz is the ultimate. Yeah, there you go. Joey Diaz the ultimate version of that. That motherfucker is funny the moment he grabs the Come on, God gave him that. Just look at everything about him. Everything about him. He's just walking comedy. Yeah. And he's fearless. Yeah, and he's fearless. And so he's he looks like that and he talks like that and he gets on stage like, Oh, it's over. Yeah, it's all right. It's like you It's a force. Yeah.

It's like if y you give your mind up to him, like to think for me. Let me take me on a journey. Take me on a journey and think for me. But Theo's got that a little bit too. Yeah. And and we saw Theo develop that. Yeah. Like through the years. And then he just started like He just hit one time. Getting to that place where you're just constantly just saying shit and it kinda makes sense even if it doesn't. Right. And it resonates like

Brody. Another good example. Brody was just funny. He would eight one eight till I die. He'll die and laughing. No one even knows why they're laughing when they're laughing at that. He's talking about the area code for the valley outside of LA. It's this like celebration of mediocrity in second place. Hilarious. And was it Roseda? Yeah. Of all places.

He was the best at that. He was so infectious. Yeah. Like his his comedy was infecti it would infect you and you'd be in the parking lot like repeating his lines. It was so fun. Yeah. I would play this. Game with Brody. where I just treat him like an open mica And he would just play along. I said, Keep going up, kid, man, you're just gonna you're gonna get better. You're gonna get better spots. Don't worry about it. He's like

Thank you, sir. And we do we just do it. He just went with it. Yeah, when we were starting out, like both of us were like when I met you were just past the open mic or just starting a work stage. Mm-hmm. We're both kinda like in the same thing. And that's such a weird stage'cause you kinda no one knows what's gonna happen. No one like there's a lot of dudes that we used to do comedy with

Back then that I thought were really good, and they just vanished. Yeah. They vanished. They went out and got regular jobs and they gave up. And that's scary to me. Mm-hmm. Because uh I never want that to happen to me. It when it does happen, it's never happy. Yeah. The guys that I know that do that, they always get weirdly bitter. Weirdly bitter, like sinister. Yeah. They want you to fail. They do not want you to make

Yeah, and I I I don't want that to happen to me. I had an incident with I don't even know if I should say his name'cause I feel bad. You have to say his name. So He was in all his movies, like big movies. You know, he was never like a major star, but he's in these movies, and T V shows. He was that generation like

uh a maybe a one and a half generations before us. And he's a regular at the store. And the first time Tommy sent me to do La Jolla, I used to feature But then Tommy booked me to Headline La Jolla and told and I don't know if y this guy knew he was supposed to feature, but when he got to the club Like when I first of all I brought a a a date. So you're supposed to get the you're staying in the condo and you're supposed to get the the the headliner bedroom. shit was in there.

You know, so I had to take the You said his name. Ah shit. But I didn't say his last name though. Please bleep it out. Bling. Yeah. Is it let's call him B bling. B bling. Let's call him bling. So bling shit was in the headliner bedroom. Mm-hmm. And then when we went to the store that night

And he found out like the host was on or the comic that they booked before and then he w walked out. Oh no. He walked out. He said, Um headline So then the guy that ran the store, I think it was Ryan at the time, I don't know if he was there, he was like just go up and we'll pay you the head headline. And I was like, Fine, I'll I'll feature. I don't care and you pay me the headline and then Barry went a came back in and went over.

All weekend, that's how it was. But it was like that that bitterness that I and I That's so crazy. And I feel yeah, I feel I I feel bad but I like that's why I stay on stage. I'm like I'm I am not gonna let that happen to me. You feel me? Yeah, d a lot of people slack off, man. They they just they lose their enthusiasm. I think he had a lot of other problems too though, right? And he's also from the era where They don't write new material. Mm-hmm. And they do a lot of cocaine.

There was an era where those dudes cooked their brains. Yeah. So yeah. Yeah, the things pass you by if you don't keep up. Yeah. Or you have to let'em pass you by. If you say, Yeah, I'm good. Right. I had a good time. It was a lot of fun. Yeah. You can do that too. Yeah. But the thing is like those guys that that go and get regular jobs

Maybe they're better off than the guy who's m now middling for you. Right, right. You know what I mean? Because that guy's probably been phoning it in for a decade and a half. he might not have the juice left to like reignite what made him funny in the first place. Yeah. That's when I feel feel like I'll just leave. I still got like a competitive spirit. I feel like

uh I haven't gotten to where I want to. And I also like that space I was just talking about, like where you just stream of consciousness space. Mm. Like I'm kinda wanna get to that. Where you could just like go on stage and watch the tape afterwards. I said that, I did that. Right. That oh that that that works. That just click. I just wanna have

Get to that. You know where that comes from? Where massive stage time. Yeah. Massive amounts of stage time. The guys who have the best timing and the best like like David Tell, perfect example. That dude's got so much stage. Yeah. One of the things about Dave is he was doing that New York thing where you get in a cab and you go from one club to another club. So he's doing like five, six sets a night. At one point in time, I forget who the record w had who had the record.

I I did seven one time in the city. And I barely made any of them. And I'm like, I'm gonna get fired. They're not gonna book me again. I was like, I don't wanna do it. That's it's too stressful. Well, I think the guys who can do it. Or guys like Louie that could just sort of show up. And just do a set and they just put'em on any time she shows up. Which bumps me, which meets me late for my five sets. Exactly. That's always what happens. But that's always why there's always in New York clubs

There's always a guy or two hanging around hoping somebody fucks up. And that that happens to a lot of I've got spots that way before where guys didn't show up. There's always that kind of a situation. That's how I got in the cellar the first time. Oh really? Yeah. That's funny. I forgot his name. Something Schaefer. Used to wear blazer and used to bark for the Boston. You might have been in LA by then. Yeah, Louis Schaefer, I think. Okay. And so then he used to get people into the Boston.

the street. Yeah. And he was really good at the same time. I thought you were saying bark on stage. I was so confused. No, no, no. Don't expect me to complete most of my sentences. This is yeah. That's that's asking too much. It's asking too much. So um So what were you saying about him? So he was at the cellar doing the same thing and he already worked at the Boston around the corner and then I was just going over to the cellar to hang and he was like, Somebody's missing.

Do you want to go up? Oh. And I was like, Bet. And I went up and then S D he told S D I don't know if they were recording back then, but she just started giving me spots. Oh, that's great. Yeah. Yeah. That was uh the the a good thing about New York was that there was a ton of spots. If you could get in and you started getting spots and you started getting a name and people knew that you were an up and coming comic, you can get you know, you can get some work.

And then you can get work on the road too. You could do Long Island. There's a lot of gigs in Long Island, New Jersey, you can do Connecticut. Everything's kinda close. Everything's kinda close. Here's the thing, once I got in the city, I didn't want to go anywhere else. Mhm. I just wanted to do the city spots, the Carolines, the Stand Up New York, the Cellar, the Boston.

Sometimes the strip once in a while because then you could just hang out in one place afterwards and kick it with everybody and just laugh. Right. So then sometimes I'd have like a college that paid way more money. And I'd be like, Fuck. I ain't gonna be in the city. This is a terrible weekend. And no matter how the gig went, you just like one sometimes it just do the do the do the upstate, tri state, whatever gig it was.

And then just head back, just storm right back to the station. You missed the hang and hang. You missed the hang. That was everything. You remember uh Harris Pete? Yeah So I did the uh New Year's Eve at the improv and then I drove from the m the improv on Melrose after the show to hang out at the comedy store afterwards. And he goes, That's the way to do it. You get your check somewhere else and you come back home.

And it just like felt like that there. Like we were all hanging. It was fun. If I had a great g gig somewhere on the weekend It was fun because I would bring guys like you or Joey or Ari, you know, we were all together having a good time. Right. So it's like the idea was like you gotta bring at least a little bit of that out on the road with you. Yeah. Going on the road by yourself sucks. Yeah, starting to make it sucks.

'Cause you can't afford to bring who you want with you yet. You're just still trying to establish yourself. And you're away from your comedy family. Yes. And so You're you're making a little money, but like the camaraderie and the the hang is the opposite of camaraderie. You might be doing combat comedy. Some dude might step on all of your premises if he's your middle act on purpose. A lot of dudes did that.

It was it was different. It was like, Oh, you're not my friend at all. Like you like You're trying to come up too. Not just trying to come up, but trying to come up in a dark way. Right. You know, there was a lot of thieves back then. Woo. Guys would steal your bits and do'em before you that were like your middle act that saw you on Thursday night and they'd do your bits on Friday. You gotta pay attention. You're like, What are you doing, man? Yeah, that's fucked up.'Cause they were in like

some nowhere town and they never they they didn't have a real comedy community and they just saw some guy coming in from Boston and New York and they just I'm gonna fuck him up you know and it was it's just comedy when you have a group of people like like it was in New York or like it was in Boston. Or in LA, it's always so much more fun. If you're starting out and you're in like Pittsburgh, like how big's the scene in Pittsburgh? Right. You know?

Uh you know what I did love about New York? How brutally honest all the comics were to each other. Yeah. So even like Patrice, like he had just dropped a special, but then he just went on this thing of like I I forgot the type of material he was doing, but we confronted him about that shit. Like, hey man, that shit is hacky. And he was just doing it for a minute, just fucking around. Probably just trying to get some material. Yeah, just trying.

He didn't get upset or nothing and then we d we tell each other shit. I I remember I had too many black and white jokes and they w we did a uh gig out of town. And is a bunch of black comics. We come back in the van and they were killing me. 'Cause they was like, You got a lot of black and white jokes. I was like, No, I don't And they was like, Yeah, you do and they started naming him. And I was like, Oh shit.

I do have a I never wanted to have black people this, white people that jokes. You know the real problem is if you do short sets and then you gotta piece it together into a long set. Yeah. I brought this one dude on the road with me once.

And he had so many jokes about being a Mexican'cause he was do used to doing five minute sets, but when he had to do twenty, I'm like, Bro, you can't keep saying it. You're saying it over and over and over again. One thing I love about being Mexican and then there's another one thing I love about being Mexican like I

Bro. Like we gotta you gotta add some spice to this soup. This is crazy. This is one flavor. That's how weird comedy is. It's like there's levels to like first you gotta get your first five. Right. And you get your first five minutes, you're feeling like I can kill. I can go from beginning to end and kill. But then now you gotta get ten. Uhhuh. And then you're gonna start like

You you you're watering down your solid five. You know what I mean? You w you're water and you're not getting that exhilaration that you work so hard for in a five. But then you get the ten. And then by the time you get to fifteen, you could like host somewhere on the road. And then you might go out of your state, two miles out of your state. and realize, Oh shit, these jokes were dependent

On where I live. Yep. D do n they do not work here. Yep. I went to I had all these Jamaican jokes about being Jamaican'cause there's so many Jamaicans in New York and I went with some comics to do tempo work. And it was in a big it might have been where they play basketball. Like Terry Hodges was on the show, a bunch of strong black comics and uh

My opener was a Jamaican about a joke about being Jamaican, but closer killed in New York. Killed in New York. And I I did the first joke and people had been killing before me, then I went on. I did the first joke. More quiet than this. In a stadium full of people. Oh no. And then I start panicking on the inside, which definitely showed on the outside. Yeah. And then I was like, let me go for my middle joke. That didn't work. I was like, I got to do fifteen minutes.

I'm on my closer by the third joke. Oh no. That bombed and it was bad. Thank God they booed. I didn't have to struggle. So they booed. I was the only one that bombed that night. Wow. Wow. And I bombed because like Like I said, I moved there when I was seventeen, so I didn't have enough like American shit. Right. To like I like the Jamaican shit about me growing up in Jamaica just started working, but there was a radius to that shit.

You know. That shit will work in Florida. That shit will work in D C and that shit would work in New York. And maybe one other places where there's a concentration of like Jamaicans or West Indian people. Right. And American people that grew up with them. How many people in that audience?

Yeah, and they booed. And the these assholes like, Yo, we're going to the after party, you wanna go? Like no. But I I stayed in the hotel room and I had a great night. I watched Dumb and Dumber for the first time and laughed my ass so Well some shows like that are important. They suck up fat dick, but they teach you like, Oh, I can't just rely on like regional stuff. Yeah, then I realised like, oh, this is you're only gonna kill in town. Now you gotta like figure out like

universal yeah truths of comedy. Well that's why the real Gs travel all over the world. You know, the Jimmy Carr that guy he goes everywhere. Yeah. Like there's something to that. There's something to going everywhere. 'Cause I've I've done comedy in other places. I took uh Yeah um I took Tony Henchcliffe once to uh Sweden. Mm we did s comedy in Stockholm and he's like, dude, I think I'm bombing No, they're laughing and then they stop laughing.

Mm. It's just different. They're laughing. Like I l I listen to your set. He goes, I never got a flow going. I go First of all, it's a big place. So you're probably not used to doing a place that's this big. And then on top of that, you're in Europe. Right. And they're you know, their English is pretty good. Yeah. But it's not perfect. So it probably takes a couple of seconds for them to figure out, oh very funny. Very funny Tony Hinchflip.

I mean what you told him is only true if you didn't get a flow going. Did you get a flow going? I got a flow going. But there was also they were there to see me and they didn't know he was gonna be there and they probably didn't even know what a comedy club was. Right. You know, these are all just people that came out to see me because I was famous. Right. You know, this is like if you know like this was probably more than ten years.

Mm-hmm. But if you know comedy now though, I think'cause a YouTube I think it kinda like all you need now is to have a really good set and you could tour the whole world. Like James McCann, you know that dude from Australia? Very if I see him I might know who he is. Very funny. Very funny. So funny that Shane Gillis worked with him in Australia and convinced him to move to America.

And then brought him to the mothership. Curly hair. I've seen him here. I've seen him here, yeah. Very fucking funny and very smart and really nice guy. Like super, super nice guy. But he um he's one of those guys which like Like if Shane didn't find Right. Shane found him in Australia. He was like ready to quit comedy.

Oh shit, that's crazy. Because like what am I doing? I can't do anything over here. It's like it's hard. You have to be a part of these festivals. And these festivals, a lot of these festivals, like every year the artists will write like a new hour. You know, and it'll be like about a subject. Yeah. And that's another thing. They do those hours and after the year they don't record those hours. There's so many comics.

in Europe, England, Australia,'cause I've been to those festivals that do their hour and then retire it after the last big festival. And I said, Did you record those? Because you could have like have a backlog of shit to like put online. Right. To catch people up with you, to create views and they probably forgot how it works too. But they Yeah, they weren't doing that back then, but how do you retire something without at least having to like I know one big record.

Well they have a weird system over there. Like I was talking to McCann about what the the festival system is like'cause like the festivals are kinda like the only thing in comedy. There's a few clubs. Like there's a really good club in Melbourne. Um what is that club called? The Lo the Comics Lounge in Melbourne? Is that the name of it? I worked there uh with Ari Maddie, crazy enough. And Henchcliffe and I did that like nine years ago, I think.

So there's some comedy clubs, I'm sure there's some in Sydney. But I did one in Sydney. When you're traveling, you're doing like these uh these these comedy tours. Right. And so it's festival based stuff. Like there's a bunch of different festivals that people go to. And when they go to festivals, like that's one of the things about like

like Scotland when they do that Edinburgh, those guys the Edinburgh Fringe Festival, those guys they create a new hour every year. Yeah. And you gotta come back and talk about trauma or talk about You know, what it's like to be whatever. Right, right. Whatever stage of life they're in, whatever stage of politics they're in. And that's what people expect, which is interesting.'Cause it's not really American style stand up the way you and I do it. Mm-hmm.

Or the way you know it's traditionally done. They're doing like story based stand. Which isn't in you know, it's great. It's not um it's not a knock on it. It's just a different thing. And if you try to do that in America, you probably get steamed. Yeah. I've seen somewhere that they look kinda one man showy or one woman showy. So there's Gaps of talking and then which which is fine because like

It's just a different thing. It's just a different thing You're doing a different thing. Like when I'll say things that I don't believe at all. Just because it's funny. It's like'cause it's a ridiculous thing to say. And to g also I wanna get you thinking that I'm saying things that I don't believe at all. Like this is just for fun. Like this the whole thing is supposed to be for fun. This idea that comedy is supposed to be

I mean it can be anything, right? Right. It can be this like educational experience where taking people on a journey through your life and how you've come to this the to who you are right now. Like, okay. Yay. And at the end you celebrate because you're non binary. Whatever the fuck it is. Right? Like or it can just be silly. Let's have fun. Right. Let's be silly. Let's say some stupid shit that you probably shouldn't say because it's fun.

I need to do more of that. Because you live in LA. Nah, it's just I I think it's just it's just me. You know what I mean? Like I see I like I see you say some stuff. I see other people say some stuff. And I'm like uh I'm like, I don't even wonder how I'm not like that, but it's making me think now. Just if I'm to get to this flow state that I wanna get to, to to the to the last dragon phase, you know what I mean? When you're on stage and the glow is around you.

Or like I might have to like step on that plank. A little bit. You do. You do when we're hanging out. Mm-hmm. You talk bad shit when we're hanging out. That's true. You say some wild shit. No, you just take it down a notch when you get on stage. You just gotta treat those people the same way you treat your best friends. I don't trust people like that.

I don't either, but that's why I'm taking their phones away. That's why they all have their phones in the yonderbag. But also the phones in the yonder bag. So I want look, it's hard for me, man. I get it. It's hard for me to not check my phone. I want to like see if anybody texted me. I get bored for three seconds. I'm like, what's in the news? Three seconds.

It's I get it. But uh sticking that phone in a bag is good for everybody. It's good for us'cause we get a chance to fuck around and we get a chance to come up with new stuff that like there's a bunch of times you say something the first time you're like ooh that's

Right. I gotta figure out a a softer way to say that I can feel people tighten up. I didn't mean it that way. It's just I'm trying to figure out the right way to say it and That's just the way it came out. It comes out bad. Right. Patrice had a great line about that. He's like, You gotta realize that a a bad joke that offends everyone and a great joke

both come from the same place. Right. It's I'm just trying to make you laugh. Right. It's not I'm a devious person's gonna sneak through some agenda to ruin your mind. No, you're just trying to make people laugh. Right. But sometimes people think something's gonna be funny and it's just Right. And you try it and you go fuck and you can give up on it or you can figure out a way to make it work. Like there's been a like Chris Rock had that iconic bit.

I love black people. I hate mm-hmm. So he takes that bit and he said, it just bombed. He's like he knew There was something in there, but it was just bombing. Right. And I asked him how long? He said it like a year. Oh wow. Like a year. And then it became iconic. Yeah, yeah. He just figured it out. And sometimes there's bits like that that just like You got you gotta take the chance at offending people. You don't mean to offend them.

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And I and I don't mind doing that. Like I I do have bits. I have bits that offend people that shouldn't even offend people. Oh, there's always gonna be that. There's always that. But but there are bits where I'm like, all right, I'm going for it here. But there is like I still have these rules about offending people. You don't want to offend. Not that I don't want some people some things that I think are ridiculous, I'm gonna go for it. Right. But

There cannot be a paper trail back to me where I have to apologize. Right, right, right. So I'm like I'm like a careful protagonist or a careful antagonist. Yeah. You know, like I I do wanna antagonize, I do wanna say some shit, but I'd be like, uh I can't say it that way. So it so I don't know, maybe I have to take more more risk. I gotta figure this out. Like like you know how you we talk about these naturally like we talk about Joey and we talk about uh

uh cat and all these and cam and uh I feel like there's a gear left in me. Well right, yeah. That I'm I that I'm having trouble accessing. Well And I don't want to be like them, but I feel like there is freedom m in my version of me. Right, right, right. Yeah. No, I know exactly what you're saying. I know exactly what you're saying. And I know you can get there too. Mm-hmm. It's not like outside of your reach. Right.

And I think it's numbers. I think that's a lot of it's intention, like putting your intention on that and really really working hard on that. And then it's numbers. A lot of it is doing numbers. You know, one of the things I found when I was doing at my club I was doing three nights a week, two sets a night. Was too much. Like six hours of comedy. Right. But but

Is it's like a guy who's training for a fight. Like you don't want you can't train the way you're training for a fight all year round'cause your body will break down. So fighters what they call peak. So they peak for for a competition and then

They get into the last week, and the last week they coast so their body gets a chance to recover. So they go into the fight. They're basically almost killing themselves. But in that almost killing themselves, when you recover for that week, you come out so strong. And so I think I was doing I was doing that for like I was good at that for about three months.

Which is like a fight camp. And then it was like my voice started going. I was like, this is kind of crazy. That's six hours of comedy a week is a lot. But there's some a freedom that comes from doing that many sets. There's a freedom of like exploring thoughts was a lack of tension which holds us back and most things that people do that are difficult, one of the key things that holds them back is the tension.

It's tension. It's fear. It's like you're tight. You don't feel loose and relaxed. And you know you can feel loose and relaxed. So it's very frustrating. Like, what is that? Where is that loose thing? I know it's in there. I've got to find it. I remember the first time I killed Ta-da! It it it's nothing now, but at that moment it's nothing now. It it's always something, but when I've seen like Jerry Seinfeld at the same club killed for an hour on a weekend. Right, right, right.

in his prime. Yeah. I was like, oh shit, I I didn't really kill. But the first time like Getting a great response. Getting a great response from beginning to end. After like you're struggling, you're struggling. You barely got one joke that works. Yeah. And then I I went on that night. And everything just hit. But it not only did it just everything just hit. I watched it.

Mm. Like I it was a real out of body experience. Like I was watching me, I was watching the audience, but I was on stage and then when I was done and the applause and the laughter I floated off And then it ended and then then I was really addicted. That's when I got'cause I I got high on stage. Right. I I'd never even done drugs then but I said this is what drugs feels like and I'm addicted to that. You got into the passenger ride.

Yeah. So the passenger ride is when you almost feel like you're a passenger of your own act. You're so in it. That and you so like you're so not getting in your own way that you're you get you're like the other part of you is like, We got this. Let me take care of this. Like, Oh, this is so much fun. Let me sit back and watch this dude work and you don't get in the way.

That other dude, he gets in the way. It's like if you're driving with someone and they're a backseat driver, like there's a guy coming on the right. I I fucking see him, man. Relax. Shit. I'm not even I don't even have my blinker on. Yeah. You know, there's people like that and they make you tense. Yes. Right? That guy is in your head.

That person who makes you tense when you're driving, that fucking backseat driver, that that is in your head. That fucks with you all the time. Like you might think it doesn't fuck with you all the time. Yeah, it doesn't because I don't I don't even hear it or see it. I just know He's there. That something must be there. Yeah, but if you could the backseat driver. If you can control that, then you're Zen. And you get to that Zen place and you know you can get to that Zen place.

and you've done it a bunch of times, then it's the most frustrating when you can't get there. Yeah, because I did it that night without trying. Right. Like I walked on stage just like that night, just like any other night. So what was the difference with that night that I had this. Were you recording back then? Nah. No? Nah. I got lucky that I I met this guy, Mike Donovan, who is a big comic in Boston. He was a a big headliner in Boston. Ver And he would bring like a fucking tape.

Yeah, you'd have to bring a whole fucking thing you had a press and shit. Um and he goes, You never know. He goes, There there's there's one thing you might say that is like the best thing you've ever said and it comes off the top of your head and you'll forget it. Right.

And it might be like the best part of a bit. Mm-hmm. You might have a like a new completely new tagline that comes in your head in the moment and it kills and it becomes like the main punchline of the bit. Like you have to record those. If you don't record those, you'll never get those. I record all my sets now. And then you I do have those moments when you're like, I didn't even remember saying that. This is

the best thing I've said in months. Yeah, it's how nobody wants to do that extra, extra work of sitting down and listening to yourself after you've already done stand up like ew Right Yuck. I know. It's gross. It's it was it's it was tough for me to get myself to listen to myself. It's hard. Yeah. But you know, this is like I think one of the things that we're dealing with and this is what we try to address at the club Is that there's there's never been like a curriculum.

of how to do stand up. And there's one thing I there's no one can really tell you how to do it because everybody has a totally different way of doing it. But At least... we can give you like an honest framework of how we did it and what we w what we what we did wrong and why we think we did that, why it comes out clunky and

And then at the club the thing we try to do is just set it up where there's a a bunch of spots. Like so there's two days of open mic nights. So you have two nights with open mic night. And then you have the door people who are real common. who auditioned for the job with their act. Oh shit. So Adam has to watch their act and say, Okay, you know you've been doing this for X amount of years, you got real potential and y it's like

You get a chance to watch Colin Quinn, you get a chance to watch Ian Edwards, you get a chance to watch Shane Gillis, all these great com you know, Jimmy Carr, all these great comedians are there all the time. It's like the greatest education. And stand up that you could ever g and everyone's cool to you. Everyone's gonna be friendly.

Everyone's gonna answer questions. Everyone's gonna and and then you got Kill Tony, which is the number one place where a comedian can break out in America today. The number one place is Kill Tony. Yeah. If you have one good fucking minute and you could just rock the house for one minute you could change the course of your whole life. Yeah, that gave me chills when you s cause I've seen that. Mm-hmm. I've seen that there on that show. Changes the course of your whole life.

Forever and ever. You will you you're at that stage where you've been doing comedy five, six years, you don't know if you could You know, you're living in Seattle, the scene's not that good and you say, Fuck it, I'm gonna go to Austin. You scratch up some fucking money you made as a waiter, you get in your car, you drive all the way to Texas, you put in for one minute.

You don't get up. You stay there. I'm gonna stay on Monday. You come back next Monday. You don't get up. You're like, Oh my god, I'm running out of money. You th you start thinking I'm I should get a job and then you're you get that one minute and boom you fucking kill. You fucking kill and then you go home you're like

Oh my God, I'm doing it. I'm doing it. It's actually happening. And then next thing you know, you're a professional comedian, you're torn all over the world. It's pretty crazy. It's pretty crazy.'Cause some people they'll just come to town for that one night or that one day. They should. If they if that's all they can do. And and do and then see if they can get up. And if they don't get up, it's a drag. If you just do mediocre if

That's not good either. That's not good either. That's a soul crusher. If you bomb on kill Tony, that's a soul crusher. Then you gotta c try to come back. But yeah, it's it's it's worth it. Bro, dudes have gone on stage for the very first time in their life in Madison Square Garden. That's like the first time you lace up the gloves you fuck Mike Tyson when he was twenty.

They deserve that. They fucking deserve that. Yeah, it's like fighting Mike Tyson in his twenties the first time he ever lays up the gloves. And your first opponent is Mike Tyson and his pride. After he just beat Trevor Burbick. Right, right. Good luck. Or even before he beat Trevor Burbick, even better. Madison Square Garden while Custom Auto was alive. Madison Square Garden sold out show Kill Tony. You're on the the build.

Dice Clay is there. Big J. Okerson. Davidell's there. Shut the fuck up. Oh my God. Why would you do that? Because I feel like some of those people are narcissists. Well, some people are just insane. Right. You know, it's like you ever watch street fight videos? Like, why are you fighting? You don't know how to fight at all. This is so crazy. Right. And they're starting it and then all of a sudden they're whack they're out cold. People are crazy. I know. I watched some of those backyard fights.

Yeah. Oh I watch a lot of those. Yeah, yeah. Like I forgot the one that I watched. But it's pretty popular. And uh they got like a cage and fence around it. Fancy fancy cage. And they try to make it official. Right. But I'm like I'm watching this more than I watch UFC. There's something about it. There's something what is it about that that I won't

Division two soccer. I watch Premier League. You feel me? Yes, I do. That's a good point. Like like do you watch the other professional below UFC league sometimes? You do? Yeah, I do. But Like for me I'm a soccer snob, so I wanna watch there's too many of the best guys playing all week. I think soccer's a different thing though. I think it's a more gradual acceleration of progress. And then there's a thing about

fighting where there's a lot of prodigies out there. Mm-hmm. So there's like a lot of dudes that you just hear about. Like I'll hear about it through the grapevine, like this guy trained with this guy and he tells me that and then he's fighting for LFA. And this is like his debut fight and I watch I go, Oh shit, here we go.'Cause there's guys out there that you never even heard of that are in like one F C and

uh the PFL, these other organizations that are world beaters. They're like elite elite fighters. So you got I have to pay attention to as many organizations as possible'cause there's always a bunch of people like They'd come over a bunch of Russians. Damn, there's a lot of Russians. A lot of beast Russians. A lot of beast guys from Dagestan. Beast guys from all the the those fucking people from that part of the world are hard ass people.

I w I wanted to ask you about this one guy. Now I I stumbled on They said he's the best fighter in history. He he was in the US C loop. So he started out when he was nineteen in this thing where it's like It's like flat, but kinda like a little slope. Like banked on the sides. Banked on the sides. No, but this was a black guy. Okay. And then he had a kid, then became a cop, and then maybe like when he was like thirty got back in and He did but this is like uh Translating an ancient language.

How do I not know who this guy is? You don't know. I know I give me a Tell me who he fought. You pulled up with your ship. But there's no way his name was the best fighter of all time. Who's saying he's the best fighter of all time? This is a YouTube video? Yeah, it's a YouTube video. They put the computer. This episode is brought to you by ZipRecruiter. With the new year, you probably have a couple goals you want to accomplish. The problem is the follow-through. But here's a bit of advice.

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from Black Bear Pictures Shelter is in theaters everywhere on January thirtieth. But let me tell you something. Okay. Like so I've been I I'm not an expert. I've been to some fight. Uh with you and I've watched a little yellow. I'm sure. Like I remember like the first time I saw Israel. Mm-hmm. And I I saw his compilation stuff before and this is before USC. Right. And then I said, Hey man, is this guy real? And you were like, Yeah.

So this guy So Izzy's a perfect example. I had my eyes on Izzy for like years. Right. Because in the kickboxing world he was fucking people up with style points. Yes, this guy too. Yeah. Okay. And Do you don't remember his name? Is Mike? You think his name was Mike? Jr. That's so my cat. Good through you. How long ago was this? Was it a YouTube video you were wearing? It was a YouTube video. Is it how long ago? You've probably gone through fifty thousand videos instead.

Yeah. Jamie can't even find it. He's like, that's not enough information, sir. You can put that in the chat GPT. He was a cop, had a a female fighter now. Okay. But he was like his style was like you know the the type of This is driving stream of consciousness type of comedy. He he would do the The the you know, the thunder kick on the regular. Okay, rolling thunder? Rolling thunder kick on the regular. That was just like standard. Like he his feet were his hands.

And and his hands were like feet too. And he was just very explosive and he did One time th a few times like two guys beat him'cause he did go to the US C for a little bit towards the end of his career and they did fight some K one shit. He fought in everything. You drive me crazy. I wish I had more info, bro. Because I want to know. Right. But it's like I'm trying to figure out through this puzzle. This is like high recollective.

I think just there's too many uh keywords I'm trying to lock down. I'm trying to run this through Jamie's Jamie's brain. Jamie usually is pretty psychic about This kind of shit and figure out who the fuck it is. But your amount of information is like I would think of you a

No. If you're a witness of like the way this guy described the scene, I don't like it. I pull the other detective aside. I go, I think we got our guy. This guy's full of shit. He's trying to throw us off the case. I think he works for the other team. I should have booked marked this guy. You should have bookmarked this guy.'Cause I was like, I need to know if this guy is really like this narrator is saying, but he fought the legit thing.

Are you sure that this was one real person and they didn't have a Did you get winked by some AI? He was bald headed. How about that? Oh boy. Had a low flat top. How about that? Light skinned black guy. God damn. Lanky. How long ago? I guess that might be better. Yeah, what year are we talking? I would say he might have ended his career like the

like two thousand eight, two thousand five ish or something like'cause I was like when I was watching it, I was like, Oh, I gotta stop watching for spikes but then it got to like oh, this this guy's retired now. Mm and he was like he retired like maybe like Late thirties. Listen, there's a lot of guys like that, unfortunately, that are really good. Really good and then you watch him like one or two fights and you go, Oh my god, this guy might be the best in the world.

It's just a the game is so brutal. It's the most brutal sport ever. You're using your body to try to break another person's body. And the most effective way to do that is to separate them from their consciousness. You know, or take their legs out until they're they can't walk anymore. I I remember one time we went to a fight. And then uh I say, Hey Joe, why they uh you know, they walk to the ring together with their whole crew. And then right before they get into the ring they hug everybody.

And it's like I'm like, Why are they hugging? They they they're gonna be right there, out on outside of the octagon. And th they're gonna be yelling instructions and they were in the locker room together, but right before the person enters the ring, it's almost like a goodbye. Because I might not exit this ring the same way I entered. Yes. Or at exit at all. Yes. You know. So it's that's that's what fighting is to me is like that's how dangerous it is. Like when you're like

Yeah. Goodbye. Well, it's the last thing you could do to support that person that you love that's about to go do that. Right. It's real hard when you watch your friends It's real hard when you watch your friends get beat up. Damn. Yeah. Real hard. Yeah. You know, like was real hard me watching uh Cormier when Jones beat him up. Right. That was hard. The Steep A one was hard. Especially the one with Steve KO'd him against the K it's just hard.

Because you know them. You know'em as human beings, you know. You know what that's kinda too to It's fucking devastating. It's like it's like a loss. It's like you lost a family member or you lost a dog. Yeah, but it's affecting you right now. Shit. Just thinking about it. That's like it's hard. But like for me the hardest one was Shab'cause Shob Shab didn't want to quit and I was like, dude

You the thing about Brendan that most people don't know is how many concussions he took outside of the fights. So you see the fights but He used to spar with Shane Carwin, man. Shane Carwin was the interim heavyweight champion, the biggest fist ever registered in the UFC. He had like five XL fists. Bro, he's so big it was ridiculous. He would he'd look like a he looked like like

in the Avengers, like like he was he would be like the Hulk. He doesn't look like a real human. Like all the other people there and then there's Shane Carwin. He was a freak. He's a freak. And um Br Brennan Schaub and him used to spar all the time and he would get g knocked out all the time. That's crazy. He would get concussions all the time. All the time. He got a concussion like days before

He fought Ben Rothwell. He got a concussion days before he fought Noguerra. Like he was getting concussions all the time like in the gym. Yeah, that's crazy. So I knew about all that shit too and I was seeing the effect. And I was like, You gotta get out now. If you don't get out now, there's no happy ending. There's no happy ending to the guy who gets knocked. Right.

I was watching a video the other day of that dude who fought Mike Tyson when he uh right when he got out of jail. Remember when Mike Tyson looked like a bodybuilder almost? Right. Was it a white guy? Yes. Yeah. Yes. And that dude I s I found the video. I was like, bro, brain damage is real, fellas.

But you you watch a guy talk and you go, Oh, okay. This is just how it goes. Like, Yeah, like ferns. Yep. All of'em. All the greats. All the greats. You know, Sugar Ray seems to have kept it together pretty good. Yeah, yeah. Um, but uh there's a lot of these guys I'm Exactly. That's right. Peter McNeely. This is the the guy that fought and he fucking went after him, man. He went after Tyson, which is crazy.

Like he pushed him away. He's trying to get after him. But bro, Tyson and he's got some movement. He headbutted him there. But Tyson looked phenomenal back then. Like physically phenomenal. Look how good he looks. Mm. Just th that knockout alone, what uh how's the rest of your life gonna be?'Cause he's not even Yeah. Yesterday. Jerry Quarry was the guy who fought Muhammad Ali when Muhammad Ali had just gotten um his life.

So he took three years, he wouldn't fight in Vietnam and they took away his they took away his championship and they took away his license to box. He couldn't make a living for three years. And then he fought this dude Jerry Quarry and It looked like he had been on the couch. Like Ali didn't look like Ali anymore. Didn't physically look like Ali anyway. He looked he didn't look fat.

But it looked kinda like It wasn't the physique that of old Ollie. It changed the way he fought, honestly. Like look at him there. It looks good. But still a little pudgy. But yeah, but not like we're going comparison. Right. So this was the first fight back and Jerry Quarr was like this just really tough Irish guy. Right. And um him and his brother were like notorious for having like horrific gym fights.

He was a good fighter man. Real good fighter. But he died young and um He had terrible C T E and dementia before he died, and so did his brother, and his brother only had a few professional fights. See, Quarry had a bunch of pro fights and he fought guys I believe he fought Frazier, he might have fought like Ken Norton. He fought like big time heavyweight power punchers and and legends.

But his ooh, that was good left football. Plus he's Irish, you don't know you didn't count the amount of bar fights he had. Exactly. You know what I mean? And but the big thing man, ooh, damn, this is a beautiful combination. You forget how good Ali was, even when three years off, dude, he looked sweet.

But now I wanna I wanna I wanna show you something different though because we're seeing this Ali. Mm-hmm. Look first of all, take care of those fucking those strings. Hey, referee. Tie that shit off. Tape that shit off. And cut it. Um Show me Ali versus Cleveland big big cat Williams. This is my favorite fight to watch. Oh right. If anybody never saw Ali before I said you gotta see Ali before they made him retire.

And then you gotta realize we lost three years of this Ali who was different than anybody who had ever boxed before. Anybody. So this is prime Ali. Like look at the difference right away in the movement, right? The the one who fought Jerry Quarry was kinda standing in front of him more.

You know, and he was boxing them and m looking good, but this Ali is like, good luck hitting him. Good luck, dude. I look at the guy's like, this is awkward. Like how do I stop this thing from moving so I can hit it? And this guy who he's fighting, Cleveland Big Cat Williams, was a killer. He had vicious power, man. Look at his build. Like Cleveland was a dangerous puncher. Dangerous puncher. You couldn't let him hit you.

But good because Ali wasn't gonna he wasn't gonna let him hit him. And bro, he tunes him up in this fight and at the end of the fight scooch along so you could see like'cause he he cooks him. Is this before he beat Liston? Uh yes. Yes, quite a bit before he beat Liston.'Cause he beat List no, no, no, no, no. Excuse me. I was thinking of um I was I was not thinking of Liston, I was thinking of uh Foreman. Foreman. He beat Liston to win the title. This is this is after that. After that.

So this was when he was already Ali?'Cause when he beat listed it was in black and white too. So this was right before they made him retire, so this is like nineteen sixty. So this is before the forced retirement. Yeah, look at that. He just walked moving backwards. Moving backwards with the one two. And it's so pretty. There's no wind up, man.

It's just people who don't think boxing is beautiful, you gotta watch Ali Cleveland, Big Cat Williams. And you should watch a little bit of Big Big Cat Williams before that and you see the slug fest that he was in where he was fucking people up. And you know how dangerous this was for Ali. But look at her he's just Bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing beautiful man. Yeah Ali took him to his world. Took him to his world, this is a moving man sport.

Exactly. And this is the first guy in the heavyweight division to ever move like this. I mean nobody moved like this back. Look at that combination. Woo and then he stands over with his hands up. You had your hair done, bro. Like you had to conk in it, you had some women fixing it up and pressing it for the fight so you could go out afterwards. Oh. Like he never wore the suit that he bought to go with that hairstyle for the after party. Wait, wait, is did this keep going after that knockdown?

Yeah? That's crazy. They let that guy fight another round? Oh my god, it was the end of the round, so he was saved by the bell. They used to have saved by the bell back then too. I feel like because of his reputation and how many punches he's taken in his life in his career before this, you have to Let this keep going. Bro, he just did the shuffle on him. Oh. Now he's feeling it. Look at this. Oh damn. Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness. See

This is the Ollie that we we missed. Cleveland big cat Williams was a stud. Yeah. To get back up all these times from that Look how good Ali looks, man. Oh my goodness. I mean he looks like a middleweight. It's like a middleweight fighting heavyweights. And and you know you know what was unfair about Ali? Because...

You know, all the boxes back then had chins. So you feel like somebody with Ali style would not have a chin. But he had just as good his chin as anybody else and he wouldn't let you hit it. Yeah. And then if you did get catch him and get in a slug fest You wouldn't knock him out because this motherfucker could take a hit. One guy almost knocked him out and they totally cheated to keep it from happening. This guy Fra Fraser? No, no, no, no. Um I can't believe I can't remember his name right now.

Henry Cooper? Henry Cooper. That's right. Thank you. Henry Cooper had a killer left hook. Right. Killer left hook. And he caught Ali back when he was Cassius Clay right on the butt. And his just his legs went, his head rolled back and he slumped down like he was gone. So it was like at the bell, they get him in the corner, they cut his gloves to to change gloves. Like watch this left hook.

This guy Henry Cooper was tough as nails, man. And he look at that left hook, man. It's nasty. Look at this right here. Boom. Damn. Bro, Ali was fucked. He was fucked. So this is at the bell, right? So they get him in the corner, they gave him smelling salts, they cut his gloves off and changed his gloves. To give him some breathing room. Did they cut the part out where they cut his gloves?

I'm pretty sure that happened. I think that was an Angelo Dundee trick. Angelo Dundee, man. What a cor what a guy. What a cornerman. He might be the greatest cornerman of all time. Yeah, yeah. Think about the the one with Sugar A. Leonard and Tommy Hearns. You're blowing it, kid. You ever see him say that to him? No, no. He says it and Sugar Ray runs out and stops him in the next round. Yeah. And that that and that was a Hearns fight. That was That was Sugar A versus who? Hearns. Hearns. Yeah.

I remember all those fights. I remember the Hearns Hagler fight that second round. Was like the first round that was the was the war? Yep. The first round, right out of the bat. Yeah. Okay. No evidence Muhammad Ali had his gloves changed mid fight to get extra time to recover. Rather it's an urban legend from his fight with Henry Cooper in nineteen sixty three.

Ali's trainer Angelo Dundee did bling bring Ali's torn glove to the referee's attention, but the controversy only extended the round break by a few seconds and Ali went on to win the fight. Okay. So there was a torn glove, but they didn't let him change the gloves. He showed a torn glove and it just happened to be torn right after the knockdown and this is an urban legend respectfully. Uh the myth is that he had intentionally cut the glove.

Right. Because if the glove all of a sudden was torn right after a knockdown, how many other times in his career has he had a torn glove where the fighter was winning? Yeah. Zero times. How do you tear your glove when you're getting hit? If he w if he had If he was in Henry Cooper's corner and he found that cut, do you think he would tell the referee? No. He wouldn't say a fucking thing. Right. Like it's bullshit. Mm-hmm. But

I get it. He bought some time. Smart moves. And one second in boxing is a is a huge thing. Wow. That face when he busted him up. I think he stopped him by cuts, if I remember correctly. I used to watch all these old fights but it's so long I can't remember the full details. Like I knew who you were talking about before you could remember his name. Yeah, I forgot his name. Yeah.'Cause I was thinking of Bob Foster because I watched his whole piece on Bob Foster last night. People forgot about him.

And and Bob Foster again. He was the light heavyweight champion when Ali was the heavyweight champion. And he I believe he tried I know he fought Ali. At least once. He tried to go up to to heavyweight. It just didn't carry over. Mm-hmm. Because he was a weird

Weirdly shaped guy. Like he was tall, but he was like he was not muscular at all. But he does he look like I got on a a whole rabbit hole the other night'cause I watched this one video about where they were talking about Bob Foster and about how deceptive his punching power was. This episode is brought to you by Intuit TurboTox. Doing your taxes the old school stress spiral way, endless paperwork, confusion, and unsure if you're even doing it right? Yeah, we're leaving that in the past.

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And it's also the confidence in this video. He was talking about this take me one or two rounds and I'm gonna just knock him out. Is he the black guy or the white guy? The black guy. Look at this, bro. Bro. This is like a mother beating a child. Bro, he was he's had tremendous power, man. Like the whip in his punches.

It's like very similar in a lot of ways to Tommy Hearns, but he's a lot bigger. You know, he's a he's a hundred and seventy five pounder. But it's that whip to the punches that Foster had. Like look at that turn, like the amount of torque that he gets when he throws these punches. And Bob Foster, he fucking flatlined a lot of dudes, man. He took a lot of dudes out of this dimension. Boom! Look at that left hook.

Ooh You see the arms flail. Yeah. Like you know the arms let me know your legs are going. Yeah, Foster fucked a lot of guys up. Oh yeah, some movement too. He did. He just wasn't quite big enough to beat Ali, you know? Ali was uh a solid thirty five, forty pounds heavier than him. That's just too much. Yeah, he's tall enough but not Oh that's him v versus quarry at heavyweight?

God just showed you how many guys Cory fought. Fuck. Yeah. These guys didn't stop until they died. No, no. Well Corey d died because of it much earlier. Like that was that doesn't look like Corey. That's what it says? He just went to sleep. Foster versus Dick Tiger, this is a good one.'Cause he said about Dick Tiger, like Dick Tiger was a champion at the time, I believe. And he said about Dick Tiger, it's taking me one or two rounds to hit him and then I'm gonna knock him out. Boom.

He just he had this power that was just undeniable. There's some dudes who just look at that. The way he throws it. Like everybody who like is a young boxer learning, learn from this guy. Like the whip This is unfair too. The the the reach. Oh the reach is ridiculous. Say that to all of Mike Tyson's opponents who got flat lines. But that's why I like Mike Tyson. Like

Wasn't even six feet tall. It wasn't even six feet tall and he can get inside. Oh my god, like a tornado. Bang And sometimes he'd stay real down low and you'd be thrown above his head. And then he'd come up with it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Oh, he he would have fun. He was playing with his food back in those days, you know? He was He was d f having fun with guys. He was having fun.

It was a different thing. We had never seen a heavyweight move like that before, right? So there was Ali. Never seen uh heavyweight so agile. so so fluid on his feet. He looked like a better version of Sugar Ray Robinson at heavyweight. Right. If you could believe it. Right. Which is crazy. But also he wasn't fighting the caliber of fighters.

Well I guess he was as uh when he became a champ. The second time around he definitely did. When he got into like Joe Frazier and Foreman and But I always wondered, man, if he didn't miss those three years, I don't know if any of those dudes could have touched him. Right. If he kept that up, like what he was versus Cleveland Big Cat Williams, and you add three more years,'cause I think Frazier became the champ after he retired. Mm-hmm.

I don't think they beat that version of Ali and we don't get the Jerry Corey version if this Ali's not sitting on the couch for three years. But it also Saved the brain damage for way later than it would have happened. Maybe it didn't because maybe he wasn't agile anymore, so he took more brain damage. So he took more more blows when he came back. He had to rely on his chin. Right. You know, and he had a tremendous chin.

But it's just like you I always as a person who sees guys in their prime, because I think what year was Ali when they took his license away? What how old was he? I wanna say he was twenty seven. And comes back at thirty. Which is near quitting.

For a lot of fighter. For fighters, yeah. It gets near there. Yeah. It gets near quitting time. Three years is the thing is like he wasn't a guy that was like a Bernard Hopkins who just stayed in the gym, kept running every day. He wasn't that guy. And he was always involved a lot of political things because he was an activist. He was a very outspoken anti war activist and they took away his livelihood because of it. Bernard Hopkins had the most

He was twenty five when he retired when when they took his license away? And he came back at twenty eight? Immediately stripped of his title. I think Cleveland Big Cat Williams is the last fight that he has before they strip him of his title because they wanted him to fight in Vietnam, which is just So fight of the century is so he comes out in seventy against Corey, so it's almost four years, right?

Okay. Three years and a few months. So sixty seven and from the time he fights Cleveland Big Cat Williams, that was sixty six? So those those are prime years, you know? And but the the big thing is not training during those years. I know how I feel after not doing stand up for one week. Yeah, but you don't know what it's like to have your muscles.

Like your muscles will go away. Right. And your reflexes and everything. All of it will go away. It might take years to build it back. Right. And in his case he never really did. He never built it back to the Cleveland big cat levels. Like he didn't come out and just move around like that at thirty. He just didn't. Right. That was different.

to move around too.'Cause he was heavier. Yep. Yeah, you know, you get heavier when you s after thirty. Also, you're going through training camps and you're not in shape in the beginning. Mm-hmm. Like that's a different thing. Like I don't know how much time he had to prepare for Jerry Quarry, but I mean I would imagine It's not more than a few months. So you could imagine you're you're saying, Hey Muhammad, we gotta get ready like you're and he's like I'll be ready, I was born ready.

Why are you telling us? Come on, Mojave, take the serious. Yeah, ready. Ready, I'm ready right now. Soccer, put on those gloves.'Cause he would talk shit to people and you couldn't say anything to them. Right. So if you're managing him or if you're training him, like good luck getting a word in. He's the greatest of all time. I am the greatest. He'll have you training. I remember he was talking to uh uh Howard Cosell and Howard Cosell said

You sound very truculent, champ, because whatever truculent means, if it's good, I'm that. I'm it. Yeah, I'm that. Yeah. Yeah. And he said it with with zero hesitation. I remember one time he said, I'm so fast I'll turn off the light and get into bed before it gets dark Nobody had been like that. Nobody nobody talked like that. Nobody moved like that. He was a totally different thing. He was stand up comedy funny. Yep. He was stand that

Like when I watch his old videos, like like normally you just watch a fight a fight. Yeah. I could watch a Muhammad Ali talking compilation. Yes. That's how fucking entertaining this motherfucker was. Yeah, he was so entertaining. Yeah. He was so entertaining. And he because of his refusal to fight in the Vietnam War, he represented a generation. Yeah, yeah. He represented young people that were like, Yeah, this is fucked. Like what are we doing? Yeah. You know, and people

Because people don't know back then because the only war they had remembered before that, I mean there was Korea, but really people remember World War Two. Right. World War two, we gotta fight the bad guys. We did our thing, we stood up for our country, and that's why we got the greatest country in the world right now. You're not gonna do your part, man. Fuck you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then

During the Vietnam War it was like, Oh wait a minute. Something's over. This might be a drug running operation. Like we we might be like fighting in the jungle because someone wants to control drugs. Is that what Vietnam War was? I believe it was a drug a drug thing? I believe there was a lot of factors, but I believe one of the major factors was control of the opium. That is wild. Well, I I mean, I wanna say that about Afghanistan as well. Yeah. Because

the production of heroin out of Afghanistan ramped up after we were there and we were guarding the poppy fields. And it was for the opiate crisis that they put in the oxycotton here. Exactly. For the same It's the same thing. It's like it's all just heroin. I think it was ninety something percent of the world's heroin supply was coming out of Afghanistan. Shit. And that's why we were over there. We were over there guarding those fields.

I say we, not me. Not you. You we weren't there. Yeah, yeah, I was. But Americans were and Geraldo Rivera fucking went over there to visit them and talked to a guy, this military guy, who explained why they have to guard the poppy field. And what did the guy say? It's like basically saying, you know, we have to protect these people from Al Qaeda. Like okay, listen. Al Qaeda we started. Do you know how gaslighty that is? Just think of how gas lighty that is.

We have to protect these kind and humble heroin growers. We have to protect them from these other people who are just terrorists who live here and we're here We invaded this place to keep these people from stopping these people from selling heroin. Right. And we're the good guys. Like what? And especially th the word Al Qaeda when I watched was it Rambo three, which was The Rambo in Afghanistan and then you watch the credits.

And thank you for the brave fighters of Al Qaeda. Is that really in there? In the credits, bro. Wow. It's in the credits because he when Rambo three was him helping Afghanistan fight the Russians. That's right. So then we were funding Al Qaeda. You ever seen the movie Charlie Wilson's War? No. You never seen Charlie Wilson's War? Frank Tom Hanks and he was a he's a congressman or senator that figured out a way to funnel money. He knew Congress wasn't gonna give like

You know, like we give we vote to have a package to go to Israel. Mm-hmm. So he w they weren't gonna vote to give a package to like help us fight or Give money and weapons to Al Qaeda to fight the Russian in during their war. So then He figured out a way how to get funding and circumvent it to Al Qaeda so that they could fight the Russians.'Cause it it's all a part of the Cold War, right? Right, right, right. And like like like

in Vietnam Russia fought us but through the Viet Cong. And in Afghanistan, we fought them back through And that's what's going on in Ukraine right now too. So what's uh what's the deal with the Ukraine?'Cause I kinda know what's going on, but I'm kinda confused. Well, we fund it. You know, we along with the other European countries fund

minerals. Rare earth minerals. For the computer stuff and the phone stuff. There's they're they're sitting on an an enormous, enormous bounty of rare earth minerals. They also have natural gas. Mm-hmm. So This is part of the Um The the real controversy with why Hunter Biden was running Barizma, which is a Ukrainian energy company. why why is he doing that? What what is the deal there? Well it's like what they were trying to do is control energy and control the the market for that. And he

had access through his dad to some b you know, go over there, got a nice kussy job. But there's enormous resources in that country. Right. And The the the war is partly over that. Right. Partly over we crossed NATO NATO crossed the line that they weren't supposed to cross. Exactly. It's not we, obviously, but we are a part of NATO. And NATO promised at the end of the Soviet Union that they wouldn't move the arms closer to Russia and they just kept it.

And um, you know, the idea is that if they wouldn't do that, Putin would probably take over everything. He'd go through Poland, like you need NATO. So I see both arguments. I do. He and obviously the person who invaded a country is the the The bad guy. Yeah, it's the bad guy. That's the bad guy. He went into a country and hundreds of thousands of people are dead now because of it. Right.

But we you don't know what the real motivations or of war are until like the fog of war settles and the dust settles and the war's over and then ten years later somebody writes a book. And you go, Oh God Yeah. It was that? Right. Like you guys just wanted money. You guys just wanted to control oil. You guys just wanted to make sure they stayed on the US dollar. You guys just wanted to do that. Like you were pretending that there was this this noble cause. The Gulf of Tonkin in

Yeah, they made up a an attack. Right. And then everybody's like, Oh my god, they attacked us. They fucked around and now they're gonna find out. We're gonna send our boys and how many Hundreds of thousands of people died, and how many hundreds of thousands more lives were ruined forever? How many guys came back?

Just with the horrific memories that they could never shake out of their head. They wake up in the middle of the night screaming. Yeah. They see people die. They see their friends die. They maybe have to kill people. Yeah. Yeah. Trauma. Trauma. And then Muhammad Ali said, Fuck you. Yeah. And everybody was like, Oh my God, he is he's a traitor. Right. You you are not supporting America and like half the country, just like

You know, anybody today, like half the country's mad at you and half the country loves you. Right. And after a while became the whole country loved'em. They all realized he was right. Is there ever gonna be a point where there'll be one person that the whole country loves? Like like did it it felt like it was like that. I don't know. Yeah. But now it was before social media. Yeah.

Because even people like that back in the day where the whole country loved on television and in the newspapers, in in real life there was always some guy at the gas station talking shit about that guy. You know, there was always someone at the gym talking shit about that guy. Right, right. People always talk shit. They just didn't have a public forum. But if somebody talks shit about that guy, mhm, you know, the people he's talking that shit to, they'd be like

The fuck is wrong with you? Right. This is a great guy. Right. That's Larry Byrd, you son of a bitch. Yeah, how how dare you? How dare you? Yeah. Yeah. Just because he beat you in high school? Let it go. They're like encouraging it. Right. You know, they want it. They want more of it. Ah, yeah. Fucking weird, man. It's uh social media. You know, it's giving the voices to people that maybe really didn't earn a voice. Not that it's bad.

I don't think it's bad. I don't think it's bad either. I think it's good. I think it's bad. And I think even yeah, even the chaos of that these people that shouldn't get all that attention getting attention, it's like bad for them. It's bad for everybody. But it's better net. Like if you look at like the overall amount of good it does, it's way better.

But it's just a new thing that everybody has to deal with and one of the things is the impulse to be a cunt. Right. But also like I just as a black person growing up and watching the news, right? It always felt slanted. And and against us anyway. And then somebody it was either Neil Brennan said this or Chris Rock said this to Neil Brennan, like a a lot of white people are finding out now that shit that black people always

new. Mm. You know, about like not trusting the cops all the time or the FBI all the time or Or pharmaceutical drug pharmaceutical drug companies all the time or yeah, they will drop a shipment of drugs off and guns off in your neighborhood. Yeah. And fuck it up and ruin it. On purpose. On purpose. Yeah. Because Shit, they they garden poppy fields.

On another continent, where you think that shit is gonna go. You know I've had that dude freeway Ricky Ross on a bunch of times. A bunch of times, right? And he didn't even know who he was selling coke for. He was selling coke for the United States government and had no idea. And he was they were letting him. And he was doing it for the Iran Contra. Uhhuh. Yeah. It was it was uh the contr it was yeah, Iran Contra but it was They were funding the Contras versus the Sandinistas in Nicaragua.

I don't know which side we were funding, but we were funding one of them. The anti the anti communist side we were funding. Hilarious. The guerrillas who are fighting against the communists government, maybe? There is a bunch of those dudes that are just playing war. They're playing war games and they get to do it back in the eighties. Back then, they got to do it without any oversight. Right. They just played war games and they lied. And then, you know, you get They like just tell'em this.

Yeah. They just I remember uh Jimmy Tingles, very funny Boston comedian, he had a joke about Ronald Reagan because they brought Ronald Reagan into trial and they said, Uh, did you ever sell arms to Iran? He's like, I don't recall. And he goes, Mr. President, he goes, next time you sell arms to people who hate us, jot it down. He goes, make a note, put it on the refrigerator.

But that's where you know, Reagan literally was falling apart at that time though. People didn't believe it. They're like, Come on, he can't remember but And then again, I do think it was his defense. Then you're not you're not perjuring yourself. CIA rec oh was the Contras. Okay. The CIA recruited, funded, and trained the Contras, which included remnants of Somoza's National Guard.

I I think he was playing it off, but then I don't know because he did get dementia. He did get dementia. He got Alzheimer's real bad at the end of his life. He couldn't remember shit. But it was I feel like he got the Alzheimer's like twenty years later. I could be wrong. I don't remember years no more. I feel like towards the end though his cognitive function was

Declining. Definitely. But like that's how it goes with guys in their seventies. Right. Especially if they don't take vitamins. You know? And and if you're Reagan, do you want to remember everything that you did? Definitely. So Alzheimer's is almost like a blessing.

Yeah, all those guys. Like George W like you don't wanna remember nothing. Yeah. You don't wanna remember the Iraq war where you tricked people into going to Iraq because we got attacked on nine eleven by someone who was funded by the Saudis. Like what what what? Why are we in Iraq? Shut up. Yeah, I feel just went over there. I feel angry w every time I think about that one because I was doing

Like I wanted war. I was like, we gotta go they got weapons of mass destruction. We gotta go stop them. Like like their thing that they ran on the news worked on me. And like I never questioned. Yeah. I didn't question it either initially. Yeah. Um, but I did I did have a bit about it. Yeah. The it was like the only way to for people to find out how dumb people are. Like the people that run the world

They don't know you. They don't get to hang out with you. They don't know exactly how dumb you are. They all went to Ivy League schools. How the only way to find out how dumb people are is put a dumb guy in as president and then see if everybody forgets.

You know, the bit was like after he tricked people into going into Iraq and starting the war and then he got reelected. I go That was crazy. I go, He won again. He won again. Like the people that run the war like, Wow And then someone in the back of the room goes I think we can go dumber. And he was right. He was right. They went dumber. And we all we all felt duped by that.

You know. We all felt duped by a bunch of different ones. One was the financial collapse when the housing market collapsed and then the the the guys started getting bonuses. They have to get their bonuses. The CEOs have to get their bonuses. Wait a minute. You guys your bank collapsed and you get a bonus?

What do we do and w it's our money? So you're taking our money and you're you're helping save these these banks and then the CEOs get bonuses'cause if we don't give them a bonus, they'll leave and go somewhere else. Like what is this logic? Right. The thing I don't understand about two thousand eight is where did the money go? Well so listen. So uh these bunch of people had the money. Right. Then they lost it. But when they lost it, it didn't get burnt. Somebody else got the money.

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All these mom and pop places got shuttered. Right? You can't go there. You don't have a it's we're in a pandemic. Okay, you can only go to Target during a pandemic. You can only go to McDonald's during a pandemic. You can only go to Wendy's during a pandemic. You can't go there. It's a pandemic. You can't have your comedy club open. It's a pandemic. You can't have this these restaurants? Are you kidding me? That's dangerous. Outdoor dining.

What about the optics? Shut it down. And so where's all that money go? Well that money goes to all the other businesses that can stay open. The major chains. Walmart, Target, all these things flourish. The stocks change. Right. Seventy percent plus of all LA restaurants went under. People lost millions of dollars. Where'd that money go?

It got legally siphoned into other people's businesses that were allowed to stay open. Right. And also with the stimulus, like a lot of big companies got huge stimulus checks. Like we got some dollars here and there. But they got a lot of dollars. There's been a bunch of those transfers of wealth where you you only look if you have to look at it like a psychopath.

Like a complete sociopath who really understands how the system works. And if they'll explain it to you, you go, Oh, so that's what they did? Yeah, that's what they did. They told you you had to stay home, they told you how to do this and why did they extend it for so long to crush the economy? Because it didn't crush the economy for them. Right. It boosted their the more they could keep you from spending money at those places, the more you had to spend money.

At Amazon, at this, at that, at anything that's open. That's all. So let me ask you a question. And I was like, twenty years ago I was like, How much people money do the people that got money want? And then now I still have that same question'cause I feel like those people should have had enough twenty years ago when I asked to be like

All right, let me just chill. It's probably a different set of people who are like they were twenty years ago. But like how much money do people want? And if you get all the money and nobody has anything, do you really have money?'Cause how are you gonna get more money? From people that don't have no money. Because you took it all.

Well no one's gonna get that rich. That's sort of a that's a funny way of looking at it. But the the there's p there's different kinds of people that make money. Right? There's kinds of people that make money because they make a lot of things. That's like Elon Musk.

That's his money. Right. And then there's kinds of people that make money that are only trying to make money. That's all they're trying to do. They're trying to do deals, they're trying to do this, they're trying to do that. But the whole idea is just to make money. Elon's thing is to make things. Right. Like he's there to make Starlink. He's there to give internet access to people all over the world. He's there to make electric cars. He's there to make electric roofs.

He's there to make spaceships that can go up and rescue people and bring'em back down and land. He'sn't he's tr making things and because of making things, he's the richest guy on earth. Right. By the way, public. That's different than the real world. Right. Like the real world it might be Putin, it might be some some king in in the Middle East. Federal Reserve who runs that? Yeah.

Well that's different too because that's not like individuals, but yeah, it's a good point. But they could just print but the actual one richest person in the world, in America at least, the way we Forbes five hundred guy is the guy who makes the most stuff. It's Elon. Right. You know and Then you have the guys that are just trying to make money. That's a different kind of cat. So those guys who're just trying to make money, those are the weird ones. Because they're just a number people.

They're number people. And if they're thinking about numbers all the time, then they don't give a fuck about you. They're just trying to make more numbers and that you get more and more sociop sociopathic as you go down that road. So my question is, is there an equation, right, to prove that That that that like our brains can't do it, but could somebody into money is there an equation that they could come up with to prove that you could make more money from peace than war?

Yes, for sure. Um, pushing this equation. Because um it's the easiest The easiest way to do it is war.'Cause you trick people into doing it and you can control an entire And y you know, it's like you're not gonna make the same amount it's like there's groups of people that will make the most amount of money from w For sure, military defense contractor.

They make the most amount from a war. Mm-hmm. That is their business. Like and you can't fault them. That's what they do. You need them because you need a you need'em and they have a stronghold already that they're not gonna give up. They're like a pit bull that wants to convince you to let it off. Let me off the leash, Dad. You see this see this fucking German shepherd talking shit talking shit Bro, this is over in five seconds.

Every time we walk by here they barking and yapping, let's let's shut this down. Their business is to make shit and not only just make shit, make better shit all the time. And I was thinking that the other day, I was like, if they're always making new jets, like what do they do with the old jets? Or they kinda have to blow up.

They kinda have to like go launch some missiles. They have these extra missiles from like that they never kill anybody with that are just sitting around. They're gonna go bad. Stock them. Yeah, with expiration dates on it. That's their businessman. It's like That Nicolas Cage movie. Was it Nicolas Cage movie about a guy who uh sold arms? Lord of the biggest.

That's right. Oh yeah Lord of War. If you're selling m weapons you want a war, you know, and those are the guys that are m getting the giganto contracts. And then some guy comes in And he's like, I p pledge to double defense spending and make America stronger than it's ever been Yeah And those guys that run to the stock market buy buy buy Raytheon buy buy Boeing But w we as people why are we buying this? Because we know the deal. We do know the deal, but we're only learning the deal now.

Right. Right. Like as a culture, I think it's only been like ten years where people are like, wait, what the fuck is going on? I think ten years ago, most people think Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK. Even I had my doubts. And I'm like the most gullible motherfucker in the world. You had your doubts? Good. Yeah, yeah. I I n I knew there was something up with the story a long time ago because I read a book. But if you're the average person twenty years ago, you're not gonna buy any of these whack.

conspiracy theories. Yeah, you were the crazy person, people stopped talking to you. You got exiled from society. Exactly. Now w someone that you're close with sends you a video. And you just watch this and you're like, What? Yeah. Oh my God, they killed Kennedy. Oh my God. Mm-hmm. And you watch and you're like, What? And y some guy comes on a podcast, you're like, Oh my god, they framed What? Oh my God. Did I ever tell you what Bill Murray said? Nah. Bill Murray came in here and um

The same guy, Bob Woodward, who was a part of Woodward and Bernstein that took down Nixon. Mm-hmm. He um wrote a book on John Belushi. And John Belushi who was one of Bill Murray's best friends. And so Bill said he read the first five pages and he was like, Oh my God, they framed Nixon. Oh what? So the mo the book was so full of shit.

It was so made up. Like it was this made up character of John Belushi, who he was with all the time. Right. Like he didn't know John Belushi. John Belushi died of a drug overdose, so he fabricated this crazy wild thing and called it wild. And he said he read five pages of it. It's like They frame Nixon. Damn. Isn't that crazy? One the one of the most disgraced presidents of all time framed. So was he a good guy? Nixon also passed that sweeping psychedelic

that made everything illegal. And he did that specifically to target the anti war movement and the civil rights Specifically. They wanted to take those people who were involved in the anti-war movement and the civil rights movement. They want to put them in jail. And the best way to do it, they were all smoking grass, they were all eating mushrooms, they were all doing LSD. Just make all that stuff super illegal and then bust them. And that's what they did. And they they changed the entire

The direction of the culture. Like what Nixon did was catastrophic to human civilization. Because who knows where we would be as a culture if psychedelics were legal this entire time, from nineteen seventy forward. So should we thank Bob Woodwood or 'Cause we don't know the bad shit that he did. Bob Woodward was an intelligence agent agency guy. He was um he was a naval intelligence officer, and his first project as a reporter was Watergate. That's crazy.

Why would they give that to a guy where it's his first project? His first major story is the biggest story in the history of the world and he just happens to be a naval intelligence agent? What? There's like senior reporters. There's these people that are like beating the street. They're they're out there every day. Yeah, they must have been. And the guys who broke into Watergate, they're all FBI.

So here's the thing, Nixon didn't have knowledge of it, but then they brought it to Nixon and he covered it up. And then they're like. And that's how they got rid of him. And they also got rid of Spiro Agnew, who was his vice president. They got him on corruption charges, kicked him out, put in Gerald Ford. Gerald Ford was in the Warren Commission. Oh. And then one of the things about Nixon is Nixon couldn't shut the fuck up about knowing who killed Kennedy and trying to get to the bottom of

Why why did Nixon want to get to the bottom of the state? Because he was worried they were gonna kill him. Because he knew Bobby Kennedy. John Kennedy, he lost his JFK in a previous election. Right. And you know, he knew that guy. Like and and he knew who killed him. And he started talking about it. And the problem with talking about it is they were like, get rid of a

I never thought do you know he was like he won at the time it was the he was the m most popular president of all time. Like he won with the most amount of votes of anybody ever. No. And we look at him like a crook. Right. He was a gr and by the way, probably was. At the very least he did cover up that crime. He didn't say, What? They did what? Instead he tried to cover it up. But to me

Like when I think about Watergate from what I remember of it, was it really that big of a deal? Like it's so sensationalized. What what what was the real crime? Like what was the somebody broke in somewhere. And they in installed recording equipment so they could listen in on people. And who were they listening in on the Democratic Party. So the Republicans were listening to the Democratic. Okay.

something. So it's kind of it's kind of illegal. It's it's definitely illegal. But it's not that big of a deal because they're doing that to you right now. Right. Like if you have your phone and you're you know and you're you know me If you know me, your phone is bugged. Ah sh shit. Good luck. All those dick pics you sent out, those are all out in the ether, son.

And you know, that that is something that we had to find out from Edward Snowden. Okay? You know, when when when that was exposed and we learned like, oh God, there's a mass surveillance program that's secret that's been around forever and the NSA's been running it like All that. a version of that. Or not even Nixon doing, but what his what the the crime was was a version of that, listening in on your opponents. They probably all listen.

Right. They probably all hack into each other's emails. They probably hire hackers to hack into each other's phones and hacking each other's emails and shit and You know, they do that man. It's just they're it's a dirty game. I mean they they've turned that dirty political game into like life. Like you said, if I know you yeah my phone is hacked. Or just

Right. You know, they look like too many people know about the CIA. Let's branch out. Yeah. And you need intelligence agencies because the world is a dirty dark place filled with monsters and a lot of them we put there. But They're still monsters. And like, look, I'm sorry. I'm sorry we got l monsters, but we have to fucking have a wall and arm the turrets. Trump executive order quietly declared that NASA is now a spy agency. What? How about that? Not Yeah, this happened.

What? Yeah. They spy from space? I don't know. What does it mean? How d what does that mean? I don't know. That's why it could it could be nonsense or it could mean something important. Is this a legit like uh did they change the name of it? No, it's still called NASA as far as I know. The order stipulates the agency will now have as a primary function intelligence, counterintelligence, investigative or national security work. What? Why would they do that?

The major departure for the agency was historically focused on space exploration as well as space and earth sciences over its sixty seven year. lifespan. Not to mention that science and exploration stuff. NASA watch founder Keith Cowing, former scientist and agency who At the agency now closely follows its internal and external politics, wrote in a blog post there are signs that Trump's intentions behind the order were at least partially related to labor concerns rather than spy craft.

The order also added that NAS NASA to the Federal Service Labor Management Relations Statute, excluding it from collective bargaining representation. Ooh. The news that NASA will now be a spy agency was seemingly overshadowed in the media by the president's elimination of union rights for thousands of federal employees mere days before Labor Day, despite multiple lawsuits challenging the change. I wonder if this is because of

'Cause they're so far ahead. Like Blue Origin is far ahead of what NASA does. Tesla uh SpaceX is very far ahead of anything that they do. It's almost like you leave it in the hands of private companies. They could do a better job of space anyway. And then turn NASA into this? No, I don't like why are you doing that? Spy a more spies. But I feel like when you turn something into a spy agency, it already was.

Right. And you're just like, let's just make it official. Right. They put satellites in overhead. Right. And when we watch movies and they they're like looking at parts of other countries to try to track down the villain in the movie, like They're using they're t they're giving away kinda what's really happening. Oh for sure. So it is basically A a spy.

you know, organization. Well if they're launching spy satellites, they're a spy organization. Right. Right? If NASA's launching satellites that that's mostly what they're launching. They're not putting anybody on other planets anymore, allegedly. And they're not doing anything with the space shuttle anymore. So what are they doing? Mm why not be a spy agency? You gotta stay open. Yeah, and they can't be able to do it. I think they took'em into a room and they said, Listen, aliens are real.

spaceships we have are all bullshit. We have a couple years left. Well so uh use it for something else. We're not we're not gonna travel to the moon anymore. Settle down. I mean I'm just Even the alien shit. Like, I believe in aliens. I don't really got a lot of proof.

But the d the denial of it is my proof. Right. You know what I'm saying? Right. The the the harsh denial. And just like how we were talking about back in the day, if you didn't like the guy that everybody liked, they ostracized you. If you believed in aliens.

they ostracize you. Oh yeah. And everything from the p it's like when when they used to teach us you gotta drink milk. Strengthens your bones. Then you realize milk pass a certain amount of time, if you keep drinking it, it's bad for you. Like everything that was bad for you

is good for you and everything that was good for you we find out is bad for you. Also it comes around again because the real milk that you're supposed to be drinking is raw milk. Right. The reason why milk is not so good for you, especially low fat milk, is'cause there's not your body's like, what is Right. Like you've you've boiled out all the enzymes and killed all the living organisms in it. It's just like this weird protein.

liquid that I'm drinking and makes you fart and you feel weird. You drink real milk, like raw milk. I had raw milk the other day and I drank it. I was like, oh, this is what milk's supposed to taste like. This is so much better. It's way better. And it's illegal. Meanwhile Why is it illegal? There's all sorts of shit that's legal. Like Roundup. What the fuck is glyphosate? Oh, roundup. That's that gives the people cancer. Not just people cancer, like anybody close to a golf course.

Mm-hmm. There's there was some study about getting Alzheimer's disease, like that you can get Alzheimer's much more likely if you're within a mile or so of a golf course. Exactly. Maybe Monsanto bought Bear? Or did Bear bought Monsanto? Of course. And and Don't you need something for your money? Fucking glyphosate poisoning. Yeah. Not that I can't even remember the order of the shit because of glyphosate poison it. That's nuts.

Isn't that nuts? It's wow. And they spray that shit on everything. Not only do they spray that shit on everything, they make certain plants they were they're genetically designed to be resistant to roundup. So you could spray more of it on the corn. And then the thing is they spray it on it at the end of the growing cycle to dry it out.

That's like a lot of the glyphosate you get in your system is totally unnecessary. They just do it to speed up the process. But that's my thing. It's like, why? Like this is so are growing It's gross, right? Like sometimes, right, the money they spend to lie Right. It's like you could have put that money into making this shit healthy and good. They can't though. They're they're objec the problem is corporations as as a entity

The way it's been established, the way it's set up. Corporations as an entity always want to make more money. Right. And when you always want to make more money, you figure out a way to make more money. And if you can bullshit your way into making more money at the other people's expense, that's what you And then you justify it and you have lawyers and you fucking But all

Say you you say you win. Just say you make some money. Yeah. But you spent some money. You spent so much money like with the lawsuits, uh keeping people in court. You made more money than you spent though, don't worry. But I feel like you made more money than you spent than you spent. But the money you spent could have been spent to make a good healthy product. So you wouldn't even have it. Depends on what you're talking about.

'Cause like if you're saying the pharmaceutical drug companies, no. The the way to make the kind of money that they like to make, you gotta do some shenanigans. You gotta Some shenanigans as well. And that if and then get them scared and say that if we don't take this medication, it could be literally the end of civilization. Like whatever it is. Like come up with whatever fucking

People are gonna die, your kids are gonna die, everyone's gonna be born retarded. You just find a way to get people to believe and they'll just all climb on board. They'll all climb on board because a a lot of people are cowards. And that's that's what happens in this world. And that's where it gets really weird because then they have an enormous amount of money and an enormous amount of influence and then they start paying for the ads on all the TV shows.

Brought to you by Pfizer. And that makes it look legit. Exactly. That makes them look legit. It makes the TV show look legit. And you're watching publicly uh an evil Union. You're in in it's an evil union between the truth and money where money always wins, and money will distort the truth. It's and they're allowed to do that. It's crazy because uh when I was growing up in New York, I got bamboozled once for a hundred dollars.

Nah. I was at the Roosevelt Field Mall and I was leaving and there was this dude and he was holding a brand new box with a VCR in it. And he's like trying to sell it. And he's like a hundred. I was like, hey man, could I see it first before I give you the hundred dollars? He's like, no, if I open, rip away the plastic and open this box, and you don't buy it, then the next person who comes won't buy it because they won't it won't be new. And I was like, This is a deal.

Was it a brick? Brick. I gave him the hundred dollars. Got on the bus, didn't even have a car, got on the bus, drove home. Open the brick. Open paper, then brick. But that one hundred dollars. saved me so much. Yes. Because I always like I was just always on a swivel looking out for like where is the trick? And then sometimes I just wouldn't do something If I didn't even see the trick was I like ah there's there's something here. But then the Iraq war was like

My the version of the B CR like recently. Like that shit. They gotcha. You were in New York when September eleventh happened, right? Yeah, I was in New York. Yeah, that's the thing. I was I saw it on T V Mm from the west coast. But the people that were there I think it hit you a lot even even harder. Yeah. If I felt it when I went back there, which was like a few months later, I felt it. Yeah. It felt different. Yeah, that shit like

I was I was living in LA but I was visiting. Oh. And I was so homesick for New York when I'd go back to New York back then, I'd stay away. you know and then the night before the Trade Center went down. You know Wilson Vince? Mm-hmm. He was living in Jersey City. And I used to live in that apartment in Jersey City. So then he's like, I'm gonna have some people over. So I took the train

And took the World Trade Center the train, the path train. And it's funny because back then when I was living here and going to New York, I was like, let me look around. Like like I miss this place. Let me there's so much shit that I didn't pay attention to before. And so I was in the World Trade Center the day before it went down like

Damn, I didn't even notice how great this ceiling was and how much detail they put into shit. And I got on the train, went to Will's crib, and then I got a ride home that night. So next morning my sister woke me up and I'm like watching the first tower with a plane sticking out of it. Wow. And then I was like, I was yesterday. And then I'm watching I was like, that ain't another plane. How far away were you miles wise? I was in Long Island. So fifty? Fifty. Like an hour drive. Yeah.

But I j just like I was like, We're under attack and you're like, I don't know where these attacks are coming from and I don't normally feel like a coward but I was like Something where they gonna attack next. Yeah. You know? So it was just that type of a vibe. But I'm worried that another one. And the danger of that is obviously people are gonna die and obviously it w it could be horrific if something does happen, if a terrorist attack does happen.

But the one thing it'll wake people up to like what the consequences It means something here. It's not just it's not just a video on your phone. Yeah. There's real evil in the world. Evil's a real thing. You could not believe in the devil, you could not believe in God, but evil actions are Throughout history. And there's only one way to combat evil. You know, you

It has to actually be good. And if it's pretending to be good and it's actually participating in evil, and then you you find out about it and you're like, Well what the fu This was like in nineteen thirty three. This guy Smedley Butler, Major General Smedley Butler, he wrote a book called War is a Racket in nineteen thirty three. Damn that's early. Nineteen thirty three.

And he broke down how he thought he was over here to protect people, but he was really there to make you know, make it safe for bankers or do whatever the fuck he had to do. Control oil and control Whatever minerals or m gold or whatever the hell they were doing. But he realized at the end of his career war is Yeah.

They tried to get him to overthrow the government. The American government? They tried to get they tried to get him to participate in a military coup against the government. Who w who was in charge back then? Jamie will pull it up. Um is before our time. So this is I think this happened prior to that. So thirty two maybe, something like that. Some Wood Joe Wilson said?

Some old timey shit. Well, they just g bro, they just got away with things back then. And now they have to hide it on layers and layers and layers of special interest groups and NGOs and money being flowed around and it's just It's all bullshit. And it's that bullshit is

all over the news and everyone's confused and everyone thinks it's the good guys versus the bad guys and the more people get scared the more people start looking for white hats and black hats. And confusion is the greatest weapon. So here it is, thirty three. Uh the United States, okay. The business plot called the Wall Street Putsch was uh the White House.

Putsch. You said it right.'Cause it's it's a German word'cause they they had puts in Germany. So it was a conspiracy in thirty three in the United States to overthrow the government of the president of Franklin D. Roosevelt and install Smedley Butler as dictator, a retired Military Corps major general testified under oath that wells wealthy businessmen were plotting to create a fascist veterans organization with him as its leader and use it as a coup d'etat to overthrow Roosevelt.

So they almost overthrew Ruzo imagine if he went along with that. In thirty four, Butler testified under oath before the United States House of Representatives Special Committee on Un American Activities. uh on these revelations, although no one was prosecuted the congress no one was prosecuted. That's wild. Typical. Typical. Even back then they're full shit. That was ninety years ago.

The Congressional Committee final report said there is no question that these attempts were discussed, were planned, and might have been placed in execution when and if the financial backers deemed it expedient. Motherfuckers. I mean these motherfuckers have been dirty from the jail. Dirty from day one. Yeah, dirty from day one. Smedley, God bless him, with that face, I wouldn't trust him, but he was more trustworthy than his face. He had cash patel eyes.

He probably needed glasses. Yeah, shitty glasses back there. Shitty glasses. Cash, like do something to look more believable. When you're not telling the truth and you're doing that, it's a problem. It's a problem. Like Bro, imagine that job. Like you say, I'm gonna uncover the truth and you get into office and they're like, This is where your kids sleep, this is this is where your mom lives, this is Uh yeah.

It's cold. Like no you you you realize how deep the the web runs. Yeah. And how the web's gonna be there after you're gone. You're gonna be here for four years, you know why this guy's the president and as soon as he's out Once we take over again. Yeah, yeah. And the promise the promise of something better from either party. Because both of them ain't shit. Yep. Yeah. And you can only switch parties once. Yeah. Oh back and forth and back and forth. Nobody has.

People have switched. They've gone from Democrat to Republican. And I think have people gone from Republican to Democrat? I believe so. If you're a politician or just if you're like a regular citizen? Um No, as a citizen you can go back to the and forth all you want. You can be a fucking complete schizophrenic and do it every month. I mean I I don't even blame someone who a who does that because if you're a public person though, like and you switch sides, you can only switch sides. Yeah. Yeah.

with like who they vote for. They switched their whole ideology. Right. And it's gyu usually like what I see recently It's from uh liberal to they get red pilled and then they become a conservative. But then they go all in and conservative. Like all in.

Why is gay marriage real? You know, they they might get crazy. Right, right. And then um it's hard to take'em seriously'cause now you made a one hundred and eighty degree shift when you're in your forties. Like really? Like you changed everything you believe in? I think you have to prove so hard to people that's been Republicans that you're Republicans that you go overboard. You gotta go hard. You gotta go hard.

Like I grew up in Long Island, there were some hard pockets of hardcore motherfuckers there. But they were trying to be Brooklyn. But they're not in Brooklyn. So you ain't gonna get the respect of Brooklyn. You ain't gonna get the respect of Bronx. You Long Island. So it's like we gotta while out down here. Right. Like we gotta go hard. And so y you you they had places like Wine Dance, like Yeah.

You don't want to go to wine dance. Wine dance? Yeah, wine wine dance. It just I've never even heard of it. Yeah, it was it was it's tough down there. Some raps some good rappers came out of wine dance too. Well Wu Tang came out of Staten Island, which is crazy. Yeah, yeah. Right? Yeah, Staten Island was wild too. Yeah. It's just like you don't think of Staten Island as being the the birthplace of the greatest rap group of all time. True. But they had the credit of being a borough.

Like Long Island. Staten Island. Uh but Long Island's like, what are you? Suburbs. Yeah, you're the suburbs. Suburbs. So they're like, No, no, we c we get down. We get down. They got good pizza. It's not the same. You're non borough. It's not yeah, it's true. It's different, right? People think it was different. Is it considered a borough officially? Nah, it's not. It's not. You grew up in Boston. Yep. Like Like were you in Boston, Boston?

And if you were, what about the parts outside of Boston that felt left out of the notoriety? Right. Like like they weren't getting the street cred. They had zero street cred. Right. You know. Woburn. Woburn? Oh, that's hilarious. Woburn. Framingham. Outside of Boston. Yeah. But but you wanna be. Like if they go Somewhere. Yeah.

They would say they're from Boston. They say they're from Boston. A hundred percent. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But then regular Boston people will get mad at you, they'll call you out. Yeah. Oh, you're from Woburn. Yeah, exactly. New York is like that too. Like Uh I'm from New York. What part? Yes. Westchester. Yeah, you're not gonna pass the second part of the where you're from quiz. Exactly. And that's when they go in on it. Unless you say right off the bat, you know, I'm from Queens.

Right. Like, oh okay. Yeah. That's real. There's no second question once you say queen. Yeah. Uh I'm from the Bronx. Oh, okay. Yeah. She's Jenny from the Bronx. Yeah. Yeah. It's always you know what? If you're trying to lie. Just name like you said, yeah. Name the part you're from, like where you're from. But if you say New York That's when shit is suspect. Sarasota. Sarasota, New York. Yeah. I'm from uh Albany. Yeah. Yeah. You I used to think it was all one place.

Hilarious. L Living in Boston. I didn't know. I was like, what do so what is the difference in these boroughs? Like, oh, you want a two one two area code. You do? Like why? Why do you care? I remember that was a big thing about um L. Like that was uh one of the things about Brody Stevens. Eight one eight till I died.

Like you when you lived in the valley, you had an eight one eight area code and people looked down at you. Yeah. People would make jokes about it. I don't date people that aren't three one oh or two one three. Yeah. I mean, that's why Brody was funny.

Because he stood on his. He stood on eight one eight. He stood on the valley. He stood on the valley. Nobody Nobody rap for the valley. You do like I do. I say I'm from New York. He didn't say I'm from LA. He said I'm from Reseda. He named the town. Name the the the the aerial code of his phone number and like stood on that shit. Like for sure. You know. Dude I never even tried to live. I was like w the moment I moved there, I was like, uh uh.

I'm not doing this. I gotta get outside of this thing. I gotta get outside of this thing and then go visit I don't wanna live in that thing.'Cause I had friends that like lived like in West Hollywood. Like my friend Eddie lived like in West Hollywood, like right in the heat of everything. Damn, dude. He goes, I like piano.

Yeah, but this is also right where everything is. Like how do you sleep? That's that's but it felt like that's what you you moved to Hollywood to be in Hollywood. Mm to become a part that's that's that that was the thinking. Yeah. So even like I've known you

F even you saying you never lived there, that's a shock to me. Yeah, my thinking was the opposite. My thinking was like I gotta get outside of this thing. Damn. When I I found out I I lived in Bell Canyon for a while and one of the things I Where the hell's that?

Thirty miles outside of LA? That's where I live. Most of the time I was in LA. Get the fuck out. Yeah. Yeah. I bought a house out there in ninety seven. What? Yeah. Like when I first started making money, I'm like I wanted to be in like wilderness. First of all I have dogs. I needed a backyard. So I lived in Encino for a little while. I rented a house in Encino but that was too close too.

And Cena was still too close. Very far. Yeah, I was like I gotta get outside. I gotta get away. I gotta get out out. I wanted to go to Thousand Oaks. I wanted to go way out. I wanted to go where regular people live. Where you could just fucking take a breath. Like I never liked like the parties, Hollywood parties. Holly I was like uh uh every time I go, I feel like

Just it just it felt like I d I d wanted to run out of there. Like get me out of here. Like this is no one's relaxed. Everyone's this is fake and weird and I was like I need I need to live outside of this thing and then go visit it. And go visit. Yeah. I was in it. I lived in Hollywood, but it was in the cut. It was like

Ivar, if you go up Ivar, you're at the bottom of the hills. Uh-huh. And it it's quiet. It's pretty and then then you come out. Right. But it it was I saw I was like, oh I like this. But on the flat Like like in Hollywood, Hollywood like I I get what you're saying, but I did feel like I needed to be near. Yeah. No, I get the under I get the wanting to be near.

And I thought about it for a while, but I just know me. Mm-hmm. Like I need downtime. Right. I go hard. And when I go hard I need like off time. I need like completely off sit down, relax and think. Right. And the only way I know what I think is if there's not a lot of noise going on. I can't just operate on momentum.

Right. I feel like when you operate on momentum all the time you make shit decisions. Right. You know, you s you you start like going down roads you shouldn't be going down. You're like, what am I doing? What the fuck am I doing with my life? So did you did you plot your life out a lot? No. In a sense? No, I'm just like Like go on instinct. My instinct was like get away from

Right. Like go quiet. I want to just wake up in the morning and have coffee on the porch and just hear birds chirping and see, you know, see a fucking deer bounce by. Like, that's what I like. I like That's some cool shit. Yeah. You have to I if I'm in the Manhattan, bam bam, fuck you. I'm like, I don't feel relaxed. Right. This is a place for me to visit. Visit. But it's just

my personality, like whatever it is with me. Like even when I lived in New York, I l I live I couldn't afford an apartment that had uh rental. I couldn't afford uh a rental car space. But I needed a car for the road. Right.'Cause I take the total opposite approach of you. I did not do the clubs in the city very often. No. That's where I met you. Yeah.

No, I still did some of'em. Right, right. But most of the road is mostly the road is what I did. Right. So I did a lot of gigs in Long Island, I did a lot of gigs in New Jersey because that paid real money and I could do a hour. You know, I was like, I could get better in the city, but I'm getting better in these five and ten minute spots. Like I need time. I need like real time to put together an act.

Because when you were in Boston you always went on the road. Everybody w did the road. Right. So it didn't make sense to me to be like s just doing one ten minute spot and another ten minute spot like I I thought the opposite. This is why d so I was doing all those shows that you were doing, like the for the for the hour, for the feature. First I started hosting, but then I was like, I need to get on TV so that I can get on the road. Yeah. And then people book me and then come see me.

So then I said, Let me go to Manhattan, which takes me out of the hour situation. But in these fifteen minute spots, build people see me, put ya on this TV show, put ya on that T V show and like as a stand up, as a you know, like you know, like the improv or whatever like

stand up show that they would have and then'cause back then it's like a few late night show appearances and then boom. Then you could be on the road. So I went that route. And that was my mentality for probably way after the shit changed. Oh you kept you hang hung on to it too long. Yeah, even living in LA. Yeah. I remember This is this is w I was with Kevin Hart, right? He just moved to LA and he I wrote on his sitcom, uh, The Big House, and then

He's booking he's a good actor. Like and when he walks he like I I've helped him audition before, but I ain't really helped him audition. He'll just be like blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. And he wouldn't say all the words, but he would nail the feeling of the shit. And it's like you don't have to remember everything. And it was like it was an eye opening experience.

And then but then he said, I wanna be on the road like Cat Williams. I was like, Why you wanna do that? Get another T V show and then Then the the fame of the T V show will get you on the road. Thank God that nigga didn't listen to me. He went on the road, he's doing like fifteen hundred dollars sh you know, the you know, the the route to build and and collecting emails.

Yep. And fucking Kevin Hart's Kevin Hart. Yeah, well he was always very smart about the social media thing and treated it like a a separate business. 'Cause I remember there was a story about someone wanted uh access to his social media to promote a project they were doing. It was like no Sony. That's a totally different deal. Like you got one deal you got Kevin Hart to act in your movie. Another deal you get access to Kevin Hart's Instagram. Like I built Right.

If you want to do that, we can talk, but it's this is not the same deal. Yeah. And I was like, oh, okay. That we because they did that to a lot of people, they did that to our city. I remember Arsenio Hall was at the Ice House and you remember he had the Arsenio Hall show came back. So when it came back, they took over his social media.

That was part of the deal. And then they didn't give it back to him. What is Yes. And this is a long time afterwards, like months and months and months afterwards. We were hanging out at the ice house and he's like I can't get my social media. And he built that from being on the apprentice.

Also from from being the original hall show. Yeah, which was a iconic show. I mean, he did everything. He did stand up, I mean the Arctic Hall was in movies. Right. And they took his fucking social media. That's crazy. Yeah. It was crazy. But that was they were trying to make deals like that. Right. When I was uh doing that show Joe Rogan questions everything, they wanted to do that. That was gonna be a part of the deal. They take over my social media. What year w what year was that?

Two thousand twelve maybe? Yeah, you had a s you had a strong It was okay. It was nothing like not as big as it is now, but it was big enough that I was like, fuck it's bigger than you. Yeah, it was it was bigger than I mean you wanted the biggest bank. Yeah, no, I know, but it was big It it was big for then. I for then I think. I'm like, my show my social media presence is bigger than you. Right. Like you have a network. Uh your network social media is not nearly as big as my

sh my one person social. Why would I do that? Why would I let you have access to it? And they wanted to be able to promote their other shows on my social media. And then just dilute it and turn it into something. That's crazy. Not only that, they could write on it whatever they wanted to. Whatever they and they said other artists aren't having a problem with us doing this. This is like their argument. It was like a hang up in the deal.

And I was like, Abso fucking lutely not. Like if I post something, even if it sucks, I want people to know that came out of my fat little thumbs. Like I wrote that. That's it. Whether you like it or you hate it, know that it came from me. And when they did that, I was like, Oh, so how many people have been doing this? And it was a bunch of my friends had to sign off deals like that.

Right. It was part of the deal. If you wanted to do this new show, you had to give them access to your social media. Not just access, control of your social media. That is wild. Wild. That's that into perpetuity type shit that they put in. contracts when you do like a stand up set on something and like w wh what do you plan on doing with this material? And then they say

They actually mention space and planets. Don't they? In those contracts? There's some contracts like that. And it you're like, whoa, what the fuck do you know that I don't know? I read about a contract, I don't know if this is true. Um some sort of a Scientology contract that is like into infinity. Like to the end of the universe. Wow.

Talk about covering your bases. Not even until you die. Like until time runs out. Billion year commitment. C org. Here it is. Oh a symbolic billion year commitment. Which functions as a perpetual contract with no expiration date while other staff members sign employment contracts of varying length.

Sometimes short term is just two point five years, but potentially extending to five years or more, and these agreements may be disguised as volunteer or religious worker contracts to avoid labor loss. So the C org, if I think click on C org, I think he could how much were they paying you a week? Nothing. To s to to sign off on that. They give you nothing. They give you you get nothing and you're happy. You just can't believe you're a part of the C org. I'm going to be in the sea already.

That's why I'm not sure. Wow. A billion year contract. Yeah, that's that's wow. Well they they you know, people have been doing that taking advantage of young artists in particular forever. Uh-huh. Like that's why Prince had to change his name to a symbol. Right. You know? They they've been doing that to people forever. Jared Leto's going through that shit right you know, he went through that shit with his band.

It's just th there's always going to be a business that takes advantage of you and makes it look like it's not a big deal. Like uh Spotify. Like uh I know this is Spotify, but there's a lot of beef about Spotify right now. What's the big beef? Uh just artists ain't getting paid. Yeah, the people who get paid are the people that own the records, unfortunately. Yeah, yeah. That's the that's the if you own your label or you own your catalog, then you get paid. Mm-hmm.

It's just what contracts did you sign? That's the thing. If you're uh an upcoming artist today and you're listening to this, do you need a record label? Like do you really need a why do you you no one's set buying records label? Right. How do you how do you get your shit played outside of Like it's easy to avoid a label. Right. Right? Right. But how do you get your shit heard? Like, well it has to go viral. Right. It has so it has to be undeniable. And so is anything really going viral or is it

Artificial viral. Artificial viral. Like both. Both things are happening. Yeah. There's definitely real still real viral. Mm-hmm. But there's a lot of artificial viral and that's what a record company can do for you. Right. It can make you go artificial viral. Right. And they it will go viral if you're good, but it's like they can juice it up to a point. But what is the cost? They want like fifty

They want some insane amount of money from your touring. You're touring. Yeah. You're touring. And that's you l doing live performances. They don't even sing a word and they get paid. And that's where Like Artists used to get ripped off in their deal. But they used to make money touring. Right. But then they cut into the touring now. Well, because they weren't making any money selling records anymore.

Because who was making the money? Well the thing is like nobody was for a long time. Right? It was a streaming and but then there was like Apple streaming and Apple, you know, Doppler. Spotify ate'em up. Yeah, they just nobody buys music on Apple anymore. I mean I used to listen to before I signed my Spotify deal, everything was Apple music. Yeah. And for the longest time I wasn't even using Spotify.

And then once I started using it I was like, Oh, this is better. Right, right. And that was it. I get it if you're an artist and you're like you're not getting paid, like, I get it. I don't know what to say. I don't know why you signed that deal. I don't know what the circumstances were. I don't know how those deals are even legal.

Yeah. if like I got like my special is coming out on YouTube so I got there's there's a way for comics to do it without Signing a big deal or signing everything away, giving it over to somebody for less than you should, or even if it pays. Uh a legit amount. There's you don't it's not for a billion. Right. But I don't know if you're a musician like what

way you can get your shit heard. You gotta put it out like that. You gotta put it out on YouTube, put it out on social media, someone has to retweet it, someone has to hear about it, talk about it on a podcast. You can get it out.

You know, we were talking about it's a little late, but we were talking about that Johnny Thunder song I'm Alive. We played it yesterday and then Jamie brought up that after we first started playing it on the podcast like two years ago it's a song from nineteen sixty nine that was like a lost song.

Oh shit. And Brian Simpson brought it to the mothership and he's like, This is gonna be like one of your favorite songs. You gotta listen to this. And we played it in the green room. And I was like, Holy shit. And we had to figure out that it was from nineteen sixty nine. Like, when was this? Like who was this guy? Like what what is the deal? The dude

Back then apparently was still alive and he died like a year later. So he might have died knowing that his song had started to become big again.'Cause then it started appearing in commercials. Oh. It was in a bunch of commercials. What were the commercials again? Uh Samsung Lincoln I think like Mountain Dew did he own commercials? I don't think so. He was only he only had this one song that was amazing.

before that. What was that one? Uh Loop De Loop. Was it good? I didn't I was gonna play it yesterday but say a loop de loop. But m the point is like he should have been You should have been I say Johnny Thunder and you're like, Oh, I love that dude. His second album's amazing. Yeah, second number four on the pop charts. Shoppy Checker got so much mileage off the twist. I've never seen somebody get that much mileage. Yeah well

Alright, kill this. Yeah. This is terrible. Now play He looked like the dude that was fighting Muhammad Ali in his in his earth. Now you play I'm Alive. Now this this is the fucking jam, son. This song. I listen to this song all the time. This is on regular playback. Well, first of all, he looks like a deaf jam comic. That's number one. Like or even like

Like an our senior hall like back in the days. So what year was this, Jamie? This one was sixty nine. And then I also read that he had been uh performing with the drifters. And did backup vocals I think like Dion Warwick or something like something? Because that guy should have been a fucking superstar. That is a superstar song.

Yeah, because I'm listening to it. Just the opening. Yeah. Down down. Let's stop there. Let's stop there and take that in for a second. And then it switched. I wasn't even ready for the switch, but I was like, let me go let me go with this. So good. Then I could see it in like the beginning or the end of so many T V shows. Right. Like I was like, Oh, this this is Yeah, this is the guy that wrote that song. Tommy James. And performed it and recorded it a year after that.

Uh Tommy James and the Chandelle. He sang Money Money. Oh shit. That was another song that like that was a famous song that uh what's his face? Uh the guy with the hair. Billy Idol. Billy Idol. Billy Idol came up with it. Wow. Which also seems like a million years ago. That was when I was in high school. How weird.

First of all, when he when Loop T Loop was a hit and then he made the other song and it wasn't a hit, I know he was pissed. I know. Can you imagine? Can you imagine like that's all like Loop T loop? Y you all ain't heard alive? This is I've this listen to their live shit.

Sometimes people just put it all together for one song. I mean, that's the thing about songs, right? Like the one hit wonder thing. Yeah. It's a different time. I mean, it was the early sixties or coming out. I don't know how big. Radio, you know. Early sixties people were still naive. They were goofy. Yeah. They were still father knows best. You know, they're all father knows best.

Leave it to Beaver. They were goofy. People were goofy in sixty three. By sixty nine they got wild. It was real quick. I wonder what people with internet minds back then did. Drugs. How did they mask in society? How did they comic books? They watched they read a lot of comic books. Mm-hmm. Yeah. They went to comic book shops. They went to like punk rock concerts. Yeah. Yeah. They had to like find group they went to C B G Bs. Yeah. They had to find places where they could fit in.

There's no online forums for that. No, it was a factory for turning people into drones. Right. That was society back then. Turn you into a worker drone. Yeah. Yeah, because y we school already trains us for it. Yeah. Like every b the bell rings, you get up, you go to the next class and it's designed for that. Yeah. It's not the best way to teach kids. And guys like you and I, they label you as like ADHD or something, right? Yeah, yeah. Did you get labeled? I didn't get labeled.

Because I don't know why. like my my father and them was like, you know, they're immigrants. They they're like so you gotta work hard, you know what I mean? So you gotta like apply yourself and you this is uh they went out of their way to provide this opportunity. So I didn't wanna blow it up to a certain point. But after a certain point, like I was gonna do comedy, which was something that they didn't expect or would have wanted me to do. But high school and college

Uh like I didn't mind. You know what I mean? Th maybe around college that's when shit started to get like a little wonky, but the high school shit Like all right, I I I can get some good grades. That's I can follow that blueprint up until there and a little bit after. But then in college that's when shit Well then they're prepping you for the real world and you realize it's gonna be your whole day doing shit you don't wanna do and there's no joy in Mudville. And you're like, fuck. Right.

Unless you're into it. Unless like college is like whatever subject that you want to pursue in life is that's the way to go. You know, if you want to be an astronomer, that's how you learn. You know, but for for comics. College is just like why why am I forced to do this? Like why am I making myself do this? Like what is the end goal? If I get a job I'm fucked. Right. I knew that I always wanted to like have

make a decent amount of money and be middle class. That was the I was like so you gotta go to college, right? To do that. That's that's the way we were programmed. Right. But the instant comedy came into my mind It was never a risk for me. Like I was never risking that stability for the gamble of comedy. What did it feel like instead of a risk? The only thing to do

Yeah. I know what you mean. Like th this there was a switch and once you turned it on, that shit was broke, it couldn't go back the other way. And this is what we was doing. Yeah. That's kinda how you have to be if you want to do it. I I think that's the same with music. I think that's the same with literature. You want to write books, you I feel lucky about it though. Yeah for sure. Because there's people that were able to turn their switch back off. Mine is still on.

Yeah, well that's'cause you're doing the right thing. You're doing the thing that you're supposed to be doing. Right. And people there's there's people that turn that switch off'cause there's something else drags them in or they can't beat their demon. Right. You know, it's a lot of people that k there's a lot of different d there's some demons are like they're not even dark demons. They're like j grey demons, like depression.

Yeah. You can't be the demon of a dull depression. They don't they don't have the energy to write, they don't have the energy to perform, they don't have the energy to eat healthy, they don't have the energy to do shit. And then they just settle into a mundane life. 'Cause they can't beat those demons. And they also don't have support. There's a lot of those dudes that get real dark'cause they don't have support. They're not friends.

I I listen, and and I and I and I feel I don't I feel bad for those people. I don't I don't know we don't even know what happened to this guy who we just played. Like what Right. What went wrong, what deterred him, what took him off track. Right. But w he clearly had something. I've seen people with something. And I like I remember I damn, I don't know if I can remember his name. We're all doing open mic. Like we're grinding, we're bombing. Then this guy

And he's at the governor's. He goes on stage. He's our age. He rips. I mean, we're like, even we're like. Wow. Hey man, what's what's your name? Tells us his name might come to me in a minute. I say how me how long you been doing it? This is my first time. And then it was like that every time he was. And we hung out with him and it was just we're like this guy. We're it's like we're pleased for him and we're his biggest fans and we're angry at him at the same time. And then he just disappeared.

Yeah. Yeah. Then I ran into him in Queens and he was kinda doing it. But it wasn't the same, like the Muhammad Ali thing. He stopped training for enough years to like lose it all, to not even be as good as the first time we saw him, which was his first time. One of the reasons why I talk about the way uh I approach things is because I think I wish someone had told me the little pitfalls that life will th throw you and the little games that will be played. in front of you.

of which way to go. And and if something went wrong, you gotta make the decision to pull yourself up and figure out how to make it better. Like how what do I have to do to keep going? But uh clearly I'm on a path. Other people are doing this path. I gotta figure out how to do that. Some people just get to those pitfalls and then they never recover. They just

They just they start drinking, they start eating too much, they start doing this, they start doing that, they get into a bad funk, they lose some money, they get into a toxic relationship. That's a big one. That's a big one. That's one of the big distractions that people do and they don't even realize they're doing it.

You're distracting yourself from having success in life by being addicted to this relationship that you're in with this person where you yell at each other and you know, you who knows? Who knows what your your particular brand of chaos is. But the one thing that it has in common, it's a gigantic distraction from you doing what you want to do in life.

And you don't have your shit together, so you find someone else who doesn't have your shit together and you pile all your shit together and make it way worse. Right. And you both fuck each other's lives up. Mm-hmm. And at the end of it, maybe one of you writes. But that's when it's worth it. Even when you're talking about bad relationships, I'm like, shit, that's material.

It is material. It is material. I never go on a bad date'cause if the date is good, it's good. If it's bad, then it's material. You know what I mean? Like that's true. So comics complain about dates. I'm like, that's an experience. That's some shit you could bring to the stage. Right. Like why are you down about this? How many times has someone s t told you a crazy story like in the green room or something like that? And you're like, have you said that on stage yet?

Yeah, like no, can I I tell Yeah, I tell people all the time, like that is like sometimes my friend, he just broke up with his girl. He's sad, he's talking about This nigga don't know how funny he's about to be And he's crying. I do he's crying like Some of the greatest comedy came out of Broken Hearts. Yeah. Look at Kinison. I was married twice. This whole thing. Yeah. This whole thing was like

Just getting his heart broken. Right. He's one of his best bits was he sat at the piano and sang a love song to his ex. It's like I hope you die. I hope you slide under again. Die I want my records back I want my fucking records back. It was like And you looked at it and you just believed it all cause like of course. He's a little fat guy with no hair. People are gonna dump on him. It's not gonna work out. You know? Even if you're famous and you look like that, it's gonna

They're gonna get tired of you. These are walking underdog stories. Without even fucking explaining it and turning that shit into something. Yeah. And how do you not gravitate towards that? Like every heartbreak that I've experienced like underneath in me I'm like, man, don't worry. Once this cloud lifts, We we hi w you'll be able to talk about this on stage. Like that's that's a part of like the survival. That's how

far gone in this I am. And I'm just realizing it now as I talk to you. That's funny. Yeah. That's how that's like uh Yeah, it's like trying to think of like when bad sh like I got into a somebody hit my car. And I was like, this is going on stage or just anything. Yeah. It's just like I sometimes I'm t when I I don't have that many civilian friends anymore. But sometimes I used to just complain. On the phone about an interaction.

You know what's funny? Like military people do not like us talking about non comedians or civilians. We're at war, baby. I know. I I I I cannot that's Military people I get that. I get it. But that is the term we have used forever. Forever. Forever. Forever. Like the first time I heard somebody say it, I was like, How did you know that I said I say that? The first time I ever heard a comic refer to other to non comics as civilians I was like that's what I say in my head. How the fuck did your-

And it's like nobody's stealing it from each other. Right, right, right. But all our terms are related to battle, like a bomb, killed, you know Died. Died. Yeah. You know what I mean? So it's like We we all got battle terms. Yeah, well'cause it is kind of a mental battle. Right. There's a weird battle of control and there's always a lot of drunk people in the audience that don't want you taking control. Mm-hmm. They want to take control of you. I mean Don L. Rollins got his start as a heck.

Don L. Rowley's that's how he proudly. He's like, I'm a proud hecker, son. It's really funny, but It's like so it is kind of there's a battle too and it's also a battle of your own self. There's a battle inside of you to try to like what we were talking about before to get to that flow state. Yeah. Like what is that battle? Yeah. There's some nights I don't have it. I don't it doesn't come. And then other nights it's right there. The moment I start talking, I'm smiling, I'm in the groove.

And it's like we hilarious. Do you have an inkling of it before? Yeah. Did you do anything to get there? I always think about that. Generally it has to be a day that I work out. Like uh for me I work out so much. Where where the L cat? I eat some today. I cooked up some heart. Mhm. I cooked up some heart for for lunch. It's good. Heart for lunch. Yeah. That's what I ate. Elk art. Elkhart, fuck.

S that's that's a big key, man. Protein. Animal protein. It's very important for y if you wanna keep going. You g the thing is it's like way easier to keep going though than it is to get going. Like if you're fifty eight and you start working out now, like woo that's hard. But if you're fifty eight and you've been working out for For me, like forty years. Right. You know, it's not I mean like hard for forty years more than

fifteen, so yeah. More than that. Like pro I probably started working out when I started wrestling. So that was like fourteen. Yeah. Karate was around the same time and then taekwondo from fifteen on. So I've always worked out. Right. It's like so my body just do if if I don't work out for a day, my body's like, What's going on? Hilarious. I'm j trying to get rid of this stuff. Like I don't want any anxiety, I don't want any tension. I want to blow it out. You probably sleepwalk into the gym.

You probably like wake up sometimes like, Oh shit, I worked out. Yeah. Like I didn't you press the button for the code and you was in there, you had no fucking idea. Well that's why I like things that you can't sleepwalk through. Mm-hmm. Like if you're doing like heavy rounds on the bag, like you can't sleepwalk walk. When that seventh round comes around, you look at the timer like, Fuck, I got three more rounds.

Just got I mean, I do it at my own pace. It's not a ten of fighting. But it's, you know, ten where you're you're going at it. And it's it that but that's the point. The point is that when it's done I fucking did it. And it's really ten is only thirty minutes of work. Yeah, I know, yeah. Fighting is fighting is taxing. This is ten three minute rounds when I hit the bag. But like think about a MMA fight is five

Yeah, it's pretty crazy. And another dude is trying to kill you for five minutes. And you're getting hit in that time. Uh and you're getting choked and body slammed and your arms getting Squeezed, yeah. Then you have to recover. They got ice on your shin in between rounds. Like, fuck am I doing with my life? I should have went to school.

Yeah, that is a crazy mentality type of life. God bless'em. And they they have to be all in too. The way you're all in with comedy and you always have been, they have to be all in with fighting. And even then there's no guarantee because There might be a Mike Tyson in your division. There might be a Sugar Ray Leonard. There might be a Floyd Mayweather. Like Crawford. Yeah. Like I say

Like, I don't know much about fighting and I've learned a lot from you. I remember we did a show in I think Denver and there was this female fighter, she came backstage. And she was up there and

she just have a had a kid and she's still gonna fight but she's like, There's other things to life. I'm gonna like raise my son and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah And then once she said there's other things to life and I was like, You're a f in my head, just in my head and you're a father and just the way she said it and some other things. She shouldn't fight no more. Mm-hmm. And I watched all her fights after that and I I she might have won one.

And she w I can't remember her name per se, but I just remember her saying that. You're the king of that. Not being able to remember to leave us with mysteries. You're welcome. The comments are gonna try to find that dude that you said is the best fighter ever. They're they're scouring right now. Yeah, somebody came up with that.

Yeah, i it's a thing that you have to you have to either wanna be a world champion, you have to wanna be the best in the world, or you have to be willing to accept that you're a journeyman.

And if you're willing to accept that you're just doing it for a a paycheck, it's a crazy way to make a living. But there are a lot of guys out there that they get to a point where they realize I'm never gonna be champion, but I'm still gonna make a lot of money. Right. And I'm still gonna have some good fights as long as I don't have to fight any

world champions I can be successful sixty percent of the time, maybe, seventy, if you're lucky. How much hard way to live though. It's a hard way to live. How much like what's the average like pay check? for a fight for a fighter like that you just described. It depends on how much uh they have crowd popularity, right? Like if you're a Donald Cerone, cowboy Serone, who never won the title but who's a a guy who Love Sarone. He he would make some real good.

Real good money. I d I don't want to be talk out of school. I don't know what his his checks were. Right. But you could get rich. You could be a mil multi millionaire like Sean Strickland, he was just talking about it uh in one of his his Instagram stories, that's why I could say this, mm-hmm where he said he's got about four million dollars in the

That's good. And I'm like, that's amazing. Yeah, and he's he's what's thirties? He's in his thirties. Yeah. He's still top of the food chain, one of the best in the world in his division, and he's got money set aside. Like that's a smart dude. Right. You gotta kinda be able to do that. Because if you don't do that, And then you run out of fighting and you run out of money and you run out of options and you run out of ideas. You don't know what to do.

Terra See, we we could do what we do. Dom Herrero said this to me once. He was like sixty five years old and he got off. fucking murdered. And he goes, Joey. He goes, one of the things I love about this fucking game, he's like, as long as you're in it, you're still getting better. He's like, I'm still getting better. Right. And it was it was beautiful to watch because it's true. Like Rodney Dangerfield deep into his seventies, killing. Killing.

George Carlin, deep into his late ages late late ages before he died, killing. You know, you could still do it. Right. All the shoulders fail, the back fails, the neck fails, the wheels fall off, and then you can't take a shot anymore and You gotta get out. Yeah. I seen it in boxing'cause that's the lot the the combat sport that I've watched the most growing up. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Shit, now I'm gonna mention another name that I can't remember. So there was this black guy who was fighting a Mexican guy, but they're big name guys. Meldrick Taylor, Julio Cesar Chavez. Boom. That fight. Yeah. Never the same after that. Oh shit, yeah. Look at that. He was winning the fight. Yep. Yep. Winning it. Winning it. Gotin it. Chase chased him down. Yep. Got stopped in the last seconds of the last round and uh Meldrick Taylor was never the same. Never. Never the same way. Ever. Ever.

Never the same again. All the skill, all the technique. Yep. And he was a great fighter. Great Olympic gold medalist. Yes. World champion. He i Yeah. He ne he didn't l enter leave that ring the way he went in. Yep. And he was good enough to be Chev S. Mm. Crazy. Okay. Kind of.'Cause he lost. But huge. Huge moment. Huge.

But the amount of damage he took up until that final blow was already sealed his fate for the rest of his life. Even if he never got hit with that last punch, if he just made it to the final bell and raised his hands up and they gave him the decision You know, and no. If they did that, he still is never the same again. Yeah.'Cause Chavez was just breaking him down, breaking him down and then

You're not around those guys the next day. That's the sa th the saddest thing about the UFC would I run into dudes who lost the next day at the airport. Yeah. And you see'em at the airport and like one eye is completely shut. They got bandages on their forehead where they got cut open, their arms in a sling and they're shuffling because their legs are so beat up they can barely walk. Mm-hmm. And everybody's like, That's a that's a fala.

Shit. And you see him walking by. Sometimes that's the winner too. Oh yeah. That's how brutal that shit is. Oh yeah. Oftentimes that's the winner. But you would you would see those guys at the airport, you're like, wow That's a wake up call'cause it's not just the night of the fight, it's like how long a is it gonna be before you feel normal again? Right. Yeah. Uh uh you brought up Bernard Hopkins earlier and he has uh the way he fought was I ain't getting C T E.

First of all, you you may hit me and if it is, it's bec you're gonna hit me while I'm holding you. Uhhuh. And you ain't getting no force or no power. Right. And people are gonna cut And say I'm a dirty fighter and let the motherfucker go. This is not a dance. Yep. And this ain't the electric slide or the two step let But I am not getting no brain damage. Yep. Like Muhammad Ali used to move. Bernard would come to you, hug you, pap pap.

Hug you again, pap pap, hug you again. People paid their money, curse this motherfucker out, but they still come back to see this motherfucker hold. Yeah. He frustrated the shit out of people, but he did fuck some people up too. Yeah. When he fucked up Felix Trinidad. That was crazy. That was a big one'cause everybody thought Trinidad was gonna kill him. I thought Trinidad was gonna kill him too. He he was a bad motherfucker deep into his late forties, man. Yes. Late forties world class.

That's crazy. If you don't let him fight, you could fight for a long ass time. You could just keep fighting. Just don't let him fight. He knew all the arm locks. But even him, like the last fight he had against Joe Smith Jr., he got knocked out of the ring and fell on his head. And he was fifty years old. That's uh that's old, bro. I know. And the guy he was fought the guy who fought Joe Smith Jr. is a murderous puncher. Just murderous puncher. And you just hit and Bernard with these hay man.

And Barnard went through the ropes and the ropes were loose and he fell out of the ropes and landed on his fucking head. That's how the fight is. So he d probably doesn't say I have the strength. No. His body's not so Also falling out of the the ring and no one catches you and you land on your head, that's crazy. It's almost makes up for all the punches he missed his entire career, all in that one moment. Yeah. That could fuck you up for the rest of your life.

Yeah. We're lucky. We're lucky we picked a thing that doesn't give you brain damage and you can keep doing forever and ever. Yeah, or we were just made this way or it picked us, I don't know what. Is this too serendipitous? But uh I'm glad. I'm glad too. Yeah. I'm glad we've been friends all this time too. It's been fun. We've had a fun ride. Yeah, we had a fun ride. Let's keep this shit going. Uh tonight, you doing my show tonight?

Uh I'm leaving. I'm going back to L. You you ain't gonna like the answer. So why even ask? What do you do you have to go back? Can we change your flight? I g I got a writing job. Oh, you gotta be there tomorrow? So I gotta be there tomorrow. Oh, okay. All right. I I'm I'm trying to break out. That's why I got this special and I'm I'm gonna keep putting out specials, bro.

Okay. Yeah. Beautiful. Yeah. All right, brother. Well uh tell everybody what's the name of it? Where is it's on YouTube? It's on YouTube at Ian Edwards Stand Up. Untitled. It's called Untitled. And All the money from the views and the ad cents goes to victims of the LA fire. Oh, beautiful. Yeah, I don't want to. For real though. For real. For real, for real. Like unlike the all those other gigantic You know me, I've never scammed anybody. No. You know what I mean? I'm just like

I was there in LA when it happened and it was devastating. Did you do this in the La Jolla? Yeah, at the comedy store. The La Jolla's like that's such a great room. That's such a great room. Yeah. Beautiful.