#2369 - Ed Calderon

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan experience. Train by day. Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. Our bell was the best. Driving home from the comedy store at like 1 o'clock in the morning and hearing some dude who claimed he was a time traveler. Remember when there was a dude that claimed to work at Area 51 and then the radio show cut out? Yeah, that was a good one.

Art was the man. That's why we put that photo up there. Because he was, you know, a lot of the subjects that we covered, he was the original guy talking about these things on the radio. Yeah, and the fact that he just kept the open lines. If you're a time traveler.

If you're a time traveler, just call in and tell us what's going to happen in the future. People that were kidnapped by Bigfoot. Like, no matter what, Art was like, interesting. Tell me more. Yeah, yeah. Like, he was open to just talking to anyone. It was great. Bullshit. No. So, Ed, the last time I saw you, you gave me an Aztec death whistle, and Brian Callen blew it on the air, and it caused the pandemic. He was very good at it out of nowhere. He just, like, grabbed it and...

We have another one. Oh, no. Don't. Look at this one. Luke Caverns gave us this one. Yeah. That's a good one, right? That is a beautiful one. Probably, let's not repeat it again. I'm not blowing it. I don't know if it's true or not true, but it's an odd coincidence. It definitely was. I got a lot of messages about it. Like, hey.

This was kind of coincidentally at the start of this pandemic. Don't put this on me. Listen, man, people have been blowing them whistles all over the world. Yeah. There's a bunch of those whistles out there. There's no way. There's no way. The only thing is I don't think anybody ever blew one up. on a podcast that was seen by millions of people. I mean, you were directly responsible for those to become this viral, popular thing. Like, few people knew about them.

But they became this international thing now. Like, everybody talks about death whistles now because of it. Well, I don't know. They are weird. The sound is creepy. Yeah. You know? Definitely weird. Ghostly. Yeah, if you heard dudes in the distance making that noise and you knew that people were after you and you heard that, you'd be like, oh, fuck. Yeah, it definitely keeps you up at night.

Seeing people do pranks with them just screaming them at randomly in the middle of the night in the street You know people running around what is the origin of that like Aztec death whistles like when did they start using them? Does anybody know people keep finding them? I mean Aztec is a modern word for Mexica, which were a bunch of tribes that moved from northern America down there. And they brought with them a lot of customs, but I think those were around before them.

You know, a lot of them emulated animals. So a lot of it was like shamanistic, people trying to view themselves with the spirit of an animal. So a lot of them, you know, have jaguar sounds coming out. Uh, but some of the ones that with the scream, apparently they're more about the screeching owls that live down there. Um, but, uh, they've been like, people told me that native people down there told me that.

They were very much specifically kind of utilized for psychological effect. Just to fuck with people. Yeah, make them not sleep. During these flower wars where they would have with, I think, the classical Tekens, they had this agreement where they would go and... try and capture people to bring back to the pyramid to sacrifice. And the way they would, you know, tire them is to blow those at night.

where they were encamped or the places where they were about to attack. So, you know, lose sleep with those. Like a few hundred of those just... People can be really devious. Yeah, when they know how to mess with your head. Yeah. The Mexica, people glorify a lot of people from Mexico. Everybody's Aztec. You're probably not Aztec. You're probably some other tribe that...

didn't lose that initial conquest. Yeah, a lot of badass dudes have Aztec tattoos on their back and stuff like that. But that's the losing side, though. The Spanish came and allied themselves with everybody that hated the Aztecs. Oh. Including, like, the Tlaxcaltecans, who were apparently, like, badasses. The Aztecs used to send tax collectors out to them, and apparently one of them didn't come back, according to one story. And the soldiers came over like, hey, where's our tax collector?

Let's feed you before we talk about anything. So they fed them pozole. And at the end of the meal, they were like, well, you can take your people back with you. Where are they? You just ate them. They were in the stew. And those are the guys that the Spanish allied with fight against the Mexica. Jesus.

The history of Mexico is so strange. I mean, it's so long and storied, and there's so many chapters of it that are very... confusing because like where the mayans go like the when they found the aztec pyramids people weren't even living in them when the the people that eventually wound up living in them it's they found them

Yeah. Which they call, it's basically the city of the gods, is what the Aztecs called them because it was abandoned when they went through. Which is nuts. Yeah. The Aztecs, in essence, were violent. immigrants coming from the north into into the south which is pretty interesting foresight you know um but uh yeah the city was abandoned completely

And when they passed through, it was the city of the gods. They call the Pyramid of the Sun and the Moon, but realistically, nobody knows what those pyramids are for. And when they made their way into the Valley of Mexico, there were already a bunch of tribes already there and peoples, older peoples. So Mexico has an ancient history.

People that want to assume that the Aztecs are ancient history don't know anything about history. They're pretty new on the scene as far as history when it comes to Mexico. Which is really crazy. Yeah, yeah. And it's really crazy that... Most modern people, especially in America, don't even understand that the reason why everybody speaks Spanish is because of the Spaniards. It's not that...

The Mexican native language was Spanish. No. No, it was the language they assumed once they were conquered. And there's a bunch of lost languages. Yeah. Something interesting happened with them. Hernán Cortés and the Conquista and the Spanish are all perfect villains in history. i guess people it's it's it's perfect man if you kind of look at it from the outside perspective colonial invasion but when you go but when you look at it i mean they were they were just getting off their own conquest

They were conquested by the Moors. So they were getting free from that. So they were already mixed in there. There were brown people on that boat. It's not blonde-haired white people coming on that boat. There's already brown people on that boat coming.

Hernán Cortés is very much painted as a villain in this story. But when you kind of look at the way that the conquest took place in Mexico versus other parts of the world, there was a lot of brutality. There was a lot of ignorance, a lot of religious... nonsense on both sides because the Aztecs also did a lot of horrible things. But in the end, I think Mexico went the route of mestizaje. We decided to mix.

Like the Spanish decided to take wives among the natives, decided to give honorary titles to the people that helped fight the Aztecs to help with the conquest of what wasn't Mexico, it was just this valley at that time. It gave birth to this culture, this mixed culture.

that very much hates parts of itself, which is a weird part of Mexican culture. Because you ask anybody in Mexico, a lot of people, and I went to Mexican school, so I got a lot of this education of how the evil Spanish came and wiped out. all of the natives, you know, or most of the natives. When in reality, you know, a lot of us in Mexico have mixed blood. Most of us have mixed blood. There's a lot of Spanish blood in us.

We were very much taught to hate ourselves in a way. And I think that that has something to do with a lot of the psychology and the culture in Mexico. There's a whole part of our history and ourselves that we hate, but it's essential. Like we say like the president of Mexico, the past president, the current president are all about.

sending the king of Spain letters to have him apologize for the conquista. And it's funny, like some of the bloggers from Spain will respond like, you're asking that in Spanish. Yeah, right? And you're probably an ancestor of those very people. So it's kind of you more than us. Yeah. Because we didn't even go over there. We're still here. Yes. Yes. Well. Right. And people ask where the Mayas went.

They're there. You go down there, you meet people. They look exactly like the paintings. If you've ever been to the Anthropological Museum in Mexico, which I highly ask people to go and visit, it's beautiful. They have a whole Mayan exhibit there, and it's startling how their culture was so advanced, so detailed, so detail-orientated.

And the whole feeling of them just being gone or disappearing as a mystery. But then you go down there and you see these people there. This episode is brought to you by The Farmer's Dog. I think we can all agree that eating highly processed food for every meal. isn't optimal. So why is processed food the status quo for dog food? Because that's what kibble is, an ultra processed food. But a healthy alternative exists.

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Yeah, they look very different. It's interesting. You know, I went to Chichen Itza. And first of all, you just... I mean, I know that the pyramids of Egypt dwarf even that, but... When you go there, you're like, what happened? How did you guys do this? How are you building these immense stone structures in the jungle?

way before Europeans ever settled into America, like way before there was anything like this anywhere else. A lot of strong backs, a lot of work ethic. You know, there's no doubt. There's no doubt. There was a lot of that, but there was also... a lot of like incredibly sophisticated engineering.

Yeah. Like this isn't just like a one time project. You got it right the first time. Like, how are you guys so good at like when you look at the Chichen Itza pyramids where you can't walk up them anymore, unfortunately. But when I was. You'll get lynched. Yeah, you get in big trouble. But I was there back in the day. You could climb up them. This is like, I guess, early 2000. And you were allowed to walk up that.

But they'll fuck you up now. There's been videos of people doing things and then the locals... They'll get lynched in the bottom if you manage to climb that thing right now. There's a watch guy all the way on the top and a bunch of dogs always on. That's a weird thing about old pyramids. I don't know why dogs like...

out up there. Oh, really? Yeah. Like the one in the Sun Pyramid in Mexico, there's always dogs on top of it. And this one, there's also always dogs on top of it. Like feral dogs or domestic dogs? Just wild dogs just hang out out there. But I mean, when you see these things, like give us some of the images of when you see some of these, there's some dogs. When you see some of these pyramids like that, like that's so different. i mean that is so sophisticated it's so bizarre yeah

We had a really good guide there when I went, and the guide was showing us this one area where they would take whatever psychedelic plants. They had like some ceremonial room where they would take psychedelic plants. He was telling me that it's not totally understood what they were doing or why they were doing, but it is widely accepted that some of what they were into had to do with psychedelic rituals. And he thinks that had a lot to do with.

why they were able to make these kind of insanely complex structures. And a weird thing that I've also kind of like realized after just talking to people and going down there and kind of seeing some of the artifacts. A lot of the psychedelics that they actually took were self-harm and mutilation. bloodletting type activities. Really? Yeah, a lot of the Aztec priests, you see the pictures of them pulling a cord with thorns through their private parts.

Trying to invoke in them these, I don't know, visions. So just being in such extreme pain and such a... bizarre state of mind that you transcend. Yeah, which matched up perfectly with some of the Catholic worldviews when they arrived. When you look at a lot of the culture, specifically in Mexico, you see that... They met kind of like a perfect culture. Like they matched in a lot of ways. When the Catholics arrived. Yeah. The Mexicans were venerating a mother goddess at a grotto.

uh area in mexico that's where the uh the the basilica is yeah these some of the rituals oh yeah they're what's going on they're calling these uh yeah yeah but they're spine boss porky spine something spine yeah Yeah. It's coming out of that area. Oh, that's wrapped around his dick? Yeah, it looks like it. It's pretty close to that area. A lot of people want to go take ayahuasca down there, but I don't see a lot of this probably coming back. Or maybe, I don't know. But that was...

a big part of what they also did. A lot of bloodletting, pain. A lot of human sacrifice, too. Yes. Yeah. Which a lot of people in Mexico are like, oh, it's a big exaggeration. It's like propaganda denial. And then you go there and there's like stone skull piles commemorating. Whatever war and depictions of them and Cody sees that they themselves made of just getting...

sacrifice people on top of pyramids, pulling out their hearts. Well, that was that one statue that's on top of the pyramid that's like a bench. They were explaining to me that that's where they would sacrifice people. I mean... It makes sense. Even the way that in the art it's depicted, you can't fake that. Most people would think you'd go through the rib cage to get at the heart. No, they go through the diaphragm right down here.

So that's why there's a lot of depictions of some of these gods, like Micantlecutle, which is the lord of the underworld in the Aztecs. Sometimes it's depicted with a skeletal form with its hands spread out like this, and you'll see a split diaphragm. on the bottom coming out underneath its rib cage as a signifier that, you know, that's... Well, they go up to grab the heart. That's where they go up to grab the heart. Show that sculpture.

That sculpture, that flat bench sculpture that is like a man. It looks like he's sitting on his hands and knees, but with his, you know, torso faced upward. That one. Yeah. Yeah, that was the one they were explaining to me. And again, I imagine that a lot of these things, I mean, you have to interpret because there are things out there that I don't understand.

But I know blood was very essential, and it was an essential thing for these cultures. It's one of the most powerful offerings you can make. And a lot of the Catholic side of things that came into this area. just intermingled perfectly. They were also talking about a god that... Look at those skulls in the corner right next to your cursor in the middle there. Right there.

Where the capital of Mexico is right now, there's a big cathedral behind it. There's the Templo Mayor, the major temple of the Aztec Empire. And there's a lot of those types of symbologies around, just skulls, because that's where they would have the cempantli, I think it's called. Sorry if I butchered the word. they would have these racks of skulls on top of the pyramids, on top of their central pyramid, kind of displaying all of the people that had gone, you know.

And what was the story? Was it the completion of Tenochtitlan or one of the Aztec pyramids where they sacrificed 80,000 slaves over whoever they had? I've heard numbers of 50. i have no idea how you would kind of figure out those numbers right but you do get accounts of some of the spanish uh conquistadors describing the smell that some of these pyramids had

which if you were into a kill house, like a slaughterhouse. Yeah, I have. It's a dark smell. Yeah, it's like, it's uncanny. And there's something about human tallow that I've also smelled and blood that is very... Distinct. I mean, yeah, we're monkeys, and we probably have some genetic memory of what that smell is, and it makes us want to run, I guess. And they describe the smell on some of these pyramids when they finally got into the city.

The city, don't get me wrong, the Aztec Empire, like the Spanish peasants coming off that boat were like awestruck when they saw this city. Yeah. Like it had water coming into it. um it has super sisters complex uh just this this uh structure and culture that was un uncontested there so when they when they got there they're looking And completely different than anything European. Yeah. So they came over here and they're like, what is going on in this part of the world? Yeah.

What are you guys doing? Yeah. How do you have so much gold? Well, there was some gold. I mean, you hear these stories about the city of gold and stuff like that. There was gold there. But they valued other things.

you know that that wasn't their main central things it was a kind of puzzle about why they were so interested in some of the golden regalia they had uh but uh when the when when the conquest kind of like finally kind of subsided and the parties that lost were all being divided up because that's what happened. Lords within this same culture became allies of the invading forces. And when they won, they were like, you're now the title owner or the leader of this area, and here's the royal decree.

What is this, Jamie? Oh, yeah. Sacrificial stone? Yeah, that's in the movie. 60,000 human sacrifice. Holy God. Yeah, you can see where the blood was channeled to drip down from that. Wow. I'm not sure if this is the one, but there was one stone where they would tie somebody onto the stone, and he would fight several people until he finally died.

It's like a, I don't know, it's like a sacrifice, like a fighting sacrifice. It was a different type of sacrifice they did. Human intelligence applied to cruelty is very bizarre. It's very bizarre when you see... Yeah, torture? Yeah. Torture, just that kind of stuff. Just what people would do for just pure entertainment or ritual or to...

I mean, because everyone's afraid to die. So you just show death in the worst form, in the most cruel and uncaring, sacrificial form in front of everybody. Children, cutting people's hearts out while they're still alive. It just keeps everybody on edge. It's a spectacle. Yeah. This is part of the show where I talk about AG1, which I've done for years, and usually I like to talk about routine.

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It's a spectacle, and I'm sure it keeps – yeah, there they go, sacrificing people and then throwing their bodies off the side. People keep denying that that actually happened, but it's – I think it's the same phenomenon you get in the U.S. where all of native americans were like peaceful and it was like a utopia before before they came in and yeah but

Well, that's one that really bothers people when they want this binary sort of analysis of North America. You know, the white people were bad and evil, which for sure they were. And they came over here and there's this good people that were just living off the land. And in harmony, like...

Not really. In fact, they were killing each other. Not only that, that was their favorite thing to do. Where we are right now, the Comanches, all those motherfuckers did was eat meat. They didn't have any artwork. They didn't have anything other than... bows and arrows that's all they made they made teepees they made bows and arrows and they fucked everybody up and their favorite thing was to go to nearby tribes and kill everybody yeah that was their fun time they loved to and they would

torture people in the most horrific ways in empire of the summer moon which is an amazing book on the comanche from right in this spot and they would take people that they captured they would cut their arms and legs off while they were alive so they would hold them down immediately hack their arms and legs off and then throw them on a bonfire to watch them wiggle Fucking yo. Like, you gotta be.

That's dark. Yeah, that's bloodlust. I don't know what that is. Let's say they did that in front of the enemy. The enemy that they just conquered. They would keep one guy alive to watch and let him go. Go tell everybody. Psychological operations. So everybody else gets butchered. One guy that let go. You go tell everybody. No. We're out here. No. No. And also, like, if you think about it.

Some of the horrors that are still happening down south. Yeah, because we just sent me this message last night of these Six or seven I'll send it to Jamie because it's pretty crazy how often this stuff happens down in Mexico and how little of it we ever hear about it. We don't really hear too much about these insane mass murders that take place down there. There was a beheading.

down in Mexico. It's a safe or not a historically safe part of Mexico where this type of stuff doesn't happen that much. Things are changing rapidly down there. It's evolving quickly. The culture that we have down there. I don't know. I do believe that there's some sort of genetic memory. I bet there is. It makes sense. I think there's genetic memory.

Six severed headphones on the side of the road, the chilling message, one of Mexico's safest regions. And what part of Mexico is this? I think it's Puebla region, if I'm not mistaken. Puebla and Tlaxcala. I mean, it's a beautiful place. If you go to Puebla, visit Puebla. It's beautiful. Just don't be there at the wrong time. Just don't work for the cartels, I guess. This is an interesting thing that I heard long ago from somebody. One of the first jobs I did was cut somebody off a bridge.

One of the older guys that was with me, I was horrified by this kid, 16, 17-year-old kid, told me, oh, they're being kind. And I'm like, what's kind about leaving somebody hanging from a fucking bridge naked? His family's going to get something to bury at least. So it dawned on me that that was an act of kindness. So having somebody beheaded. is even so normal.

It's even crueler. Yeah. Because they have no body. They have no body to bury. Yeah. And there's a lot of coffins with just a head or not even that in Mexico buried in the ground. But just think of how insane it has to be to where hanging someone from a bridge is an act of... kindness because at least you could find the body. It is the evolution of what is considered normal in Mexico. People will get shot by the dozens. People will get displayed in this horrific...

and people will just go back to work. That's every day. And that's the scary part of it, I think, for most of the people that live down there is how normalized it has become. It's not an abnormal thing to hear some of these things. And this is not, in terms of America, our understanding of Mexico and cartel culture.

This is not something that was ever talked about when I was in high school. It was never talked about when I was a young man. It never came up. It wasn't a thing in the news. Cartel violence was not. I think the first time people started getting an inkling of this was in the 90s when the phenomenon of this guy, Adolfo Constanzo, happened. This was on the border between Texas and Juarez area. He was a, they called him the narcosatanico, the Satanist.

He was a high level practitioner of something called Palo and Santeria. And he would do rituals for people like in cartels. And he started his own cartel because he was pretty successful. Social engineering and folk magic, basically, is what he was doing. And at some point, he started believing in his power, and he instructed some of the members of his gang to abduct an American because he needed a brain for his... cauldron where he would do some of these rituals.

and i think that's the first time americans got a little like a like a like a small glimpse of the underground brutality monster religious occultism and just torture and murder that has been going on down there for many years. But it has gotten really bad in the past 20, 30 years. So this has always been going on.

In a lot of ways, yes. Brutality in Mexico has been going on for a while. But cartel brutality? Like when did the cartels really start gaining power? I think the 70s. 70s and 80s is when we start seeing the formation of the first large organization. and federations that are working to produce and or to traffic substances through Mexico up into the United States.

Was it originally cocaine? Marijuana. I think originally heroin actually was at the start or the initiation of a lot of this stuff. And where were they getting the heroin? They were planting poppy. in the sierra for the war effort apparently for the americans because they were they were running out of shortage of morphine so they need to place the planet and that's one of the places where they kind of started like oh you can grow this here

And people are getting ideas. So this is the Vietnam War? Yeah. Vietnam, World War II era. that's when you start seeing the initiation of like people planting certain things. So 40s, 50s, 60s? 50s, I'd say 50s, yeah. Wow. Well, it's like Vietnam itself is connected to heroin. Yeah. Because that's the dirty secret about why we were interested in that whole area of Vietnam. And there was a trafficking area. Yeah. Yeah. The Golden Tribe. Yeah.

Coincidentally, a lot of people got insanely rich somehow or another connected to that. But we had to be over there to stop communism or something. And it's an interesting point you bring up of Vietnam because it has something to do or elements of it remind you of Mexico. Mexico has been a place that has been ruled over by a single party for 80 years, if that, the PRI.

And then it went through its democratic period, and now we have other parties coming into play. And now we have a ruling party all over Mexico called Morena, who is... This is the party of the Abrazos Novelazos. That's how they started. Hugs, not bullets against the cartel's policy, which allowed them to grow. Super effective. Hugs, not bullets.

But this is coming off a... Mexico has liberals too, I guess. Yes, we do. Mexico, three things. Southern Mexico, that's rural Mexico. Central Mexico, that's where all the woke comes from. the capital of Mexico. Mexico City. That's where all the gender pronouns get issued into law. That's where violence against women specifically and feminicide is now a new thing cataloged under the law. You can kill a dude, you're fine, but if you kill a woman, that's feminicide, which is...

way worse. So that's where a lot of that policy comes from. And then northern Mexico, where I'm from, that's where I guess, I don't know, conservative... That's where all the factories are. That's where all the people, the hardworking people and people that kind of like go the other side of the politics that are woke. That used to be the case, but now Morena is ruling all over the country.

And a lot of the policies they're bringing with them are to the left. Mexico was very tired from the drug war that it had been going on for 20 years, that I was a part of for 12 of those years. They saw Felipe Calderon bring the military into this fight to fight the cartels and just kicking a giant beehive. He had, realistically, he really didn't have a clue what he was about to kind of kick off.

um he had the idea that if you just put the military out you know which are not corrupted well he thought they were not corrupted um and you militarized a lot of the policing going on around it You can eliminate all these cartel members, like, oh, this guy's gone, this guy's gone, and we're going to just now secure this area and control. But it's been just basically...

Gremlins, you know, one gremlin will turn into four or five. You cut one head off and it's Hydra. Just a bunch of heads come out now. So Mexico has been going through that for a while. And then this president comes in, Manuel Lopez Obrador. uh with this plan like we'll just leave them alone and they'll they'll they'll they'll stop violence will stop because we'll stop fighting them how'd that work

He has one of the most violent presidencies in history. He criticizes Calderon, who started the strong war, over his handling of it. He outmatches him from death during his administration. What we saw in his administration was the politicalization, and they were already in politics, but now they're really overt about it. Now cartels are like...

They have their own candidates running for office. The mayor of a city and the police chief of a city, they're all cartel members. And the police force, they're all cartel members in parts of Mexico. Oh, boy. All of the political killings that happen in Mexico don't happen because there's a bunch of John F. Kennedys out there that are trying to change things, right? It's because that cartel is sponsoring that candidate.

And this cartel is found from that candidate, so I don't want your candidate to win, so I'm going to go shoot him. Well, there was some insane amount of murders during the last election. Wasn't it like 30-plus murders? See if you can find out how many murders there was. That sounds about right. It is, again, these criminal organizations have politicized.

They figured out that, you know, how can we operate in this region without having too much issues? Right. Let's put let's make the mayor our guy. Right. Let's elect the governor. We like to think that we're innocent over here, but how much different is it with what we do with pharmaceutical drug companies sponsoring people?

Because they pay for people's campaigns, and those people get in with a specific understanding of what kind of laws you need to push through, what kind of mandates you need to make in terms of mandating the use of certain medications. It's a different type of corruption. It's different type of corruption, but it's still drugs. It's still drugs. Yeah. Up to 60. 60 politicians in the 2024 general and local elections. 60 politicians were assassinated.

During pre-campaign and campaign periods. Fucking yo. Imagine if that was going on in America. Marjorie Taylor Greene's getting whacked. AOC's getting whacked. That would be fucking crazy. This episode is brought to you by Visible. I want to let you in on something. Your current wireless... does not want you to know about Visible because Visible is the ultimate wireless hack. No confusing plans with surprise fees, no nonsense, just fast speeds, great coverage without the premium cost.

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Switch today at visible.com slash Rogan. Terms apply. See visible.com for planned features and network management details. And it is a clear sign that... Whatever division people had in their heads about the cartels or this organization here and they're not openly at least involved in any of this political stuff. No. All that shit's gone. Something happened.

Something happened last year. The arrest of one of the biggest cartel heads in history from Mexico, El Mayo Zambada. He was arrested in Texas. They flew him into a private airfield under... pretty interesting uh circumstances and then handed he handed himself over to authorities he was arrested there i mean um that kicked off a lot of violence in Mexico. Why was he willing to fly in? So there's different stories around it.

he's told his own story he's actually talked about this many times openly with his drivers and stuff like that are driving around so he just speaks about it he's he's older now He was a ghost. Elmayo Zambada was the legitimate leader of the Sinaloa cartel. The U.S. would say that it was Chapo Guzman. Not really. The Sinaloa cartel was a federation. And a lot of the bigger, older parts of that cartel were kind of headed up by this figure, Elmayo Zambala, who in 50 years was never arrested.

never grabbed, never caught. You would hear about him vaguely in certain circles, but everybody knew that guy's the head of the Sinaloa cartel, or he's the bigger guy in that organization, which is a federation of groups. Last time I was here, it was after the Culiacanazo, the incident where they rescued Ovidio, one of El Chapo's sons. Two years ago, they finally got up to him.

The army did this operation. Same thing happened. All the cartels burned the city, blocked roads and stuff like that. A lot of special operations soldiers died in his arrest, a few of them. And he was finally arrested and extradited to the United States. Conversations probably happened within the United States with Ovidio when he was finally in U.S. custody.

and El Chapo Guzman is in a hole, and he's not going to get it out of the hole. His sons probably figured out that if they don't want to get into a hole too, they probably need to cut a deal. And I think... And the theory is that that deal probably included handing over the head of the Sinaloa cartel, Mayosambala.

Sawed by U.S. law enforcement for more than two decades. He was taken into custody after arriving in a private plane at Texas airport with Guzman's son, Joaquin Guzman Lopez. Guzman Lopez has pleaded not guilty to federal drug trafficking charges. George is in Chicago, his brother. A video Guzman Lopez pleaded guilty last month. Zimbada said that he was kidnapped in Mexico and hauled to the U.S. by Guzman Lopez, whose lawyer denies those claims. So this is the shady stuff that happened.

Elmayo gets brought into a meeting in Sinaloa by Joaquin, who is... he's not one of the, he's not really into the drug, he's not one of the powerful brothers of the Chapo Guzman brothers that are in the drug trade. He's kind of like wanting out, basically. So at some point he cuts a deal. And in this deal he's like, I'm going to get... this guy on a plane and i'm gonna fly him over you know and we're gonna make a deal that's the story

He has El Mayo come into a meeting between the governor of Sinaloa, which is known publicly. People know this. The governor of Sinaloa was going to be in the meeting with El Mayo Zimbardo, the head of Sinaloa cartel, who is a member of Morena, the current ruling party all over the country.

Also, no investigation. Also, he's still in power, which is shady as fuck. Between him and a man named Gwen, who was, I think he was the director of the university there. They had some sort of political dispute and Amai was being brought in too. I don't know, negotiate or like influence that, which tells you a lot about how the cartels and politics and the universities are tied. Right. At that meeting.

Nemesia Cuen, who is a friend of El Mayo, the guy who's the director of the university, gets killed. They shoot him. There's a video published of a gas station. shootout where supposedly this man who was the director of the university gets killed but it's made up by the state prosecutor you know they're trying to trying to make this shit go away

Meanwhile, all this stuff starts unraveling. Oh, the abducted Omayo at that meeting, and that's why they killed this guy. We don't know, or at least I don't know if there's any specific confirmation that the governor of Sinaloa was there. but he said he went to the U.S., he was in the U.S., he wasn't there, but there's no travel logs of him being in the U.S. It's a shit show. They somehow overtake his bodyguards.

El Mayo's bodyguards, they're gone. Nobody knows where they went. Probably dead somewhere. Got El Mayo on a plane and flew him into Texas. Homeland Security was apparently involved. FBI says that they may have been involved. Last time I was here, I was talking about at some point we're going to see either... direct U.S. intervention or military action in Mexico that's going to kick off things. And I think that was it. After that happened, El Chapo Guzman's sons cut deals.

17 members of the Guzman family were secretly flown to Tijuana and crossed the border with suitcases and were put into FBI vans and... Suitcases. Yeah. They rescued their family members and they took him out of the country. So they're in the U.S. somewhere. Under some kind of protective custody? Of course. Yeah, of course. And if you want to talk about...

People that know everything, like all the ins and outs. Elmayo Zambales, he's the guy. Where is he being detained? I think he's in New York, and I think he just declared himself guilty, and he's probably going to cut a deal. He's older. He's diabetic. He's not going to spend life in prison. El Chapo Guzman went to... Which is wild. When you think about how long he was running shit and how many people died and how many...

He learned his tradecraft in L.A. Here it is. It's August 25th, so it's soon. A Brooklyn federal judge on Monday scheduled August 25th change of plea hearing for Zimbada. Longtime leader of Mexico's Sinaloa cartel development comes two weeks after federal prosecutors said they wouldn't seek the death penalty against him. There's a deal there. They're going to put him in the same prison as Glenn Maxwell. I don't see him jogging, but yeah. Probably. Doing yoga. This...

There's a deal coming. And there's this sense in the U.S. that Trump came into power and declared these organizations terrorist organizations. And there was an expectation that that meant gloves off and you're going to see military action pretty soon. But what we've seen has been a very calculated surgical operation, it looks like. I don't know. I mean, you see they took out the head of the Sinaloa cartel, and Sinaloa has been on fire ever since.

It is open warfare between the last remaining sons of El Chapo Guzman and the sons of Amayo, who are now... I've seen video. It's... bananas. It is a war zone on the streets. See if you can find some of that Sinaloa video, Jamie, because it is shocking. When that When this war kicked off between these two factions in Sinaloa, schools closed.

you know people didn't want to go out because their cars were going to get jacked to get burned and put in the middle of the street companies closed all of the luxury environment around these criminal organizations that they built up. I mean, these were criminal organizations that had Louis Vuitton stores and click on, you know, and exotic cars being sold.

in these dealerships and all of the bands that would play live music at their places and all these exotic seafood places, all these places just... And how are they going to sustain themselves now? This economy started crashing. And it's the Mexican government comes out, the president, the president, the current president, Shane Baum, comes out. She blames this state being on fire. The U.S. Like the U.S. came in here and abducted El Maya Zambada, a Mexican national.

And they charge Joaquin Guzman, who was involved in the operation, to pick up El Mayo. They charge him with high treason in Mexico. For abducting somebody and putting him in the U.S. High treason. He's charged with high treason. For abducting a drug lord. Yes. Whoa. Which is, I don't know. I'm doing the math on all that. Wow. But you have this situation now where she's blaming the U.S. for basically causing this instability. Give me some volume on this. Oh, this is...

This is the members of El Mayo's family shooting up all the luxury houses of those chapitos. Jeez. I hope these guys are using ear protection. No they're not. We'll talk about that in a bit. Yeah, you could probably sneak up on all those motherfuckers. They're probably all deaf. But they're basically shooting up all the luxury apartments that they know are owned by the chapos in that area.

They love 100-round drum magazines in Mexico for some reason. That's a 50-cow with no hearing protection. Why? You don't need it. How many of those guys are deaf? A lot of them have severe hearing loss. I recently went to Jalisco with a friend of mine who has a YouTube channel called The Connect, Johnny Mitchell.

um he talked to drug dealers and like people in that life uh there's a friend of mine in in mexico and he's uh he has he's basically the mexican sean ryan um agafe 423 is his uh handle and he interviews like cartel members and people from that life um and do they wear masks yeah yeah yeah yeah um we talked to a kid that was six months out of working with them

What is currently, I think, priority number one, should be priority number one for the U.S., the new generation cartel. This militarized cartel out of Jalisco that has been with this war going on between this and all the factions. I mean, it's Christmas for them. So when we went down there, he introduced us to this kid who was freshly off. He was involved in tank warfare.

on the borders between Jalisco and Zacatecas against Los Mayos, who you see there firing at these houses. Tanks. They're making their own... Tanks if you get your truck stolen up here and probably gets driven to Mexico. They're gonna make a tank out of it probably they're making these These artisanally made tanks basically mostly what they are. Yeah

That's a pretty old one. I think that's from the Zeta period. That's cool, though. It looks like a fucking Mad Max vehicle. But what they do is they make these tanks, and his job was to be in the back of one of these with a .50 cal rifle. So what they do is You'll get you'll get into a dirt road and they'll put their trucks like this with their backs turned

And I was like, why don't you just ram them with the front? The engine will go out. You have to ram them with the back of the truck. So they'll just go into this destruction derby in the hills and shoot at each other until there's... a clear winner is what they did they do basically and their main weapons are 50 caliber rifles

So they'll be in the back of the truck and they're like, now, now, now. And they'll just, somebody's on the radio inside the cabin trying to call out what's going on. And they'll pop out and start. How come no one's figured out ear protection? They put bullets in their ears. I've seen that. They put like plastic things in their ears, but realistically.

They don't get shit and they're expendable. That's why they don't give. That's why there's no way. Yeah, like a pair of Walker's game years on Amazon. It's not that expensive. No, none of that is down there. This kid. walked us through how he was all the way from his recruitment, through his training, through this tank warfare thing that they sent him on.

And now into his life where he was like, why I laughed about your question about hearing protection is I was the first person that showed him what tinnitus was and what hearing loss was because he kept like, what did you say? It's like, hey, dude. do you have hearing loss like no like i just you know like dude you have severe hearing loss from what you went through this is yeah probably um

These tanks going after each other? Yeah. You'll see this in different... I mean, they're fighting over drug routes, basically, and territory. Jesus Christ, they're so close to each other. 50 caliber at like 10 foot distance. And the... The drones are now involved in this as well, because why not? Of course. And the way he was recruited is pretty interesting. He was an Uber driver. This kid.

Again, you will look at this kid if you found him somewhere. Just normal kid. He's 23 right now, I think, but looks like a kid. Uber driver, crashes into somebody, accident. doesn't have enough money to pay the extra for the insurance. So he's like, God, what am I going to do? Married, newly married. What am I going to do? Goes on TikTok.

And he's using an advertisement on TikTok for like, hey, you need money? This is how much we pay you if you come work with us. It's a cartel advertisement. The cartel uses TikTok to recruit. Yes. This episode is brought to you by Squarespace. Have you ever been shopping online and the website just gave you the ick? Let me tell you that wouldn't happen if they used Squarespace.

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And he was, like, told to meet somebody at a bus station. He goes and meets these people at the bus station. They put him in a car. They check them, like, give me your phones. Like, we don't want to be tracked. And then they drive them to a place where they were going to be trained, I guess, is what he said. And then cops stop them in the road, beat the shit out of all of them there.

Torture a few of them. What are you doing? Where are you going? Don't tell them anything. Don't tell them anything. And after they got the beating of their life, they go, ah, good, you passed the test. And now you're going to go. Oh, so that was what it was for. But the uniformed cops were all cartel members. Oh, my God. And the police, like all these are places where everybody's in on it.

so it's just to see if you'll crack he he gets driven to one of these ranches these training camps and it's not like You know, I remember seeing the Al-Qaeda training camps where the guys were on the monkey bars and stuff like that. These are military compounds that are in the Sierras, in the mountains.

There was a case recently where they thought they found these mass graves that turned out to be actually a training camp. There were dead people there, but they found all these shoes. They were calling them Mexican Auschwitz. But what they actually found is a processing space.

Like you go there and they strip off all your clothes and your shoes and you leave them there because they give you new shoes because they don't want to be tracked. So it was one of those processing places. So then you end up in some of the training camps. He describes active duty military personnel training them in the hills. Mexican military personnel training them in the hills. Former special operators from Colombia.

Some former special operators from Mexico. Some from America as well, right? There's rumors. And again, I have not talked directly to anybody. that knows of that that had eyes on them but there are rumors of at least two american specialists of some sort because i've heard delta force and seals and i don't know um But there is a clear communication of methods and technology. IEDs are a thing in Mexico now.

IEDs are very reminiscent of things that you would see in Afghanistan and Iraq. And the only way that they come over here is not from an Afghani or an Iraqi coming over and showing us how to do IEDs. It's probably an EOD tech of some sort from the U.S. that has some experience and doesn't know how to make some of these. That's one place where they were learning their tradecraft. Another one is Colombia.

Colombian operators have been showing up in weird parts of the world fighting. I mean, they're in the Ukrainian war right now learning about drone technology. Some of the operators from Mexico that went to fight in the Ukrainian front are now back in Mexico. showing the cartels what they learned about drone warfare in the Ukraine war. Whoa. So this kid describes this training camp where it's the army. People are marching around. People are in uniform. People are getting trained. And you...

They'll get people brought into this training camp and like, hey, let's see if you're worthy. And they'll give you a gun and like kill. Just kill some random person. Yeah.

This kid describes how he that's that's the first duty killed just an armed dude that it was dragged into that camp So they just drag a dude just see if you're capable of one of them. I think he was one of the guys that tried to run because it's it's i mean it's like it's i say it's like the military but they'll kill you there if you fucking fuck up or they'll beat you or they'll beat you flog you um it is a job it is it is like a structured job you get a you get

You get money paid to you every quincenna, every 15 days. And a bonus at the end of the month, you get equipment. You know, you get selected for certain activities. He was selected for tank duty and they sent him on his fucking tank to fight in the hills. Some people get selected to manage some of their drugstores. Some people get managed to just be lookouts. But it's a giant network of people.

that they've managed to create for themselves in this region, this new generation cartel. It's one of the largest and fastest growing cartels in Mexico, and it is now probably operating all over Mexico. And recruiting people on TikTok. Most of their recruiting is through TikTok, yes. Openly. And again, you don't have to search for it. It's there. People smugglers.

advertise on TikTok constantly as well. You'll have videos of people here in Texas that went through the border recently and with a newspaper like, hey, I'm in Texas now. Look at the newspaper. But they were in Mexico a few hours later, a few hours before. with the newspaper and like, this is Saul. Saul is the best smuggler out there. Hire him for like a safe crossing. This is on TikTok. I mean, it's in the open. Wild.

People don't realize how big of a tool that's being utilized in Mexico as a recruiting tool. It's a propaganda tool as well. They'll talk shit to each other through that medium. How did this kid get out? He ran. I think he managed to prove himself a bit, and he managed to get the favor of one of their leaders, and he told them, like, hey, I know you don't want to be here.

you know leave your and run i guess don't don't come back don't look back oh so they let them run they let them run um but not everybody gets that opportunity um so it was just somebody who liked him maybe he got he got he he got he he said he worked well in that organization he got favor and eventually said you know what i have a wife and a kid that i need to get back to you is that is there a way they let him go

How long was he being held? I think he said something about six or eight months. And he went through some shit. Most of what he went through was in the border between Jalisco and Zacatecas where the Mayos are trying to fight over that territory. It's basically one of the corridors up into the border region of Mexico, through Mexico. So that's, people are... always fighting over these regions. He came back with...

PTSD, hearing loss. And again, all these things are unknown. He's a Mexican kid without health insurance. How is he going to know any of these things? Right. When I talked to him for a bit, he was like, oh, that makes sense. Yeah. Do you drink a lot? Yeah. I know why. I used to drink a shit ton. Nightmares, yeah. Rage moments, yeah. This sounds like you have PTSD, dude. Sit down.

But he's one in a thousand, thousands of kids like that out there who have gone through some of these things, both on the military and police side and also the cartel side. Highly traumatized individuals. But there's no... There's nothing for them down there. If they talk about what they did, they're in trouble. If they look for help, there's no help out there. So this kid is trying to reform his life with all this fucking damage in him. He lost his family.

that he fought so much to get back to. Which is, you know, it's one small story and tragedy. But you go to Jalisco. And they have a roundabout there in Jalisco. It's Los Desaparecidos, where the missing are. And it's covered in posters of missing people in Guadalajara. It is like one of those zombie movies where they have all these missing people posters on them because zombie outbreak happened. It's like that, except it's people.

Over 100,000 according to official numbers in Mexico as far as missing. It's gone. And... That's another aspect of this war that people don't kind of like realize. The numbers are skewed, you know, because there's no confirmed dead person for a number of the amount of people murdered if there's no body. And Mexico has become very good at getting rid of bodies, the cultures in Mexico. I was in Coahuila.

uh working with a with a with a tactical group out there um they they they uh they showed me i mean i'm i'm always learning from people different regions have different ways of getting rid of bodies you know some just burn them Just throw a flea of fuel on them to see if they can burn in this part of the country Coahuila which is on the east side of the country They will heat up fuel drums with diesel inside of them and diesels diesel can get really hot

without igniting and that's where they put the bodies inside basically boil them down to their essential essence and there's nothing to find is what they tell me with that process You go to my hometown of Tijuana, that's where we had them. Peeling cauldrons of diesel to dispose bodies. Yeah. And then you go to Tijuana, where I'm from, and you got the phenomenon of Pozolero, who would get rid of people with caustic soda. It's a mixture of chemicals that you could find at a hardware store.

they would make people into pink slurry and just dump the pink slurry in a hole and just cover it up. So the numbers that we see as far as dead and missing, it's not a real number. It has to be bigger. You know, it is a place where you'll go into some towns and there's just a bunch of old men and females. Because all the men were gone, you know. Or you'll see...

You'll see like these abandoned graves in some place. I talked to a lady who's a part of some of these. There's these organizations all over the country right now. They're grassroots organizations that are basically just dedicated to finding. clandestine body disposal places. They're looking for their family members, basically. How do you say that word? Izaguiri? Yeah, that's the one I told you that was...

People were trying to make it seem like this was like an extermination camp. How do you say the word? Isaguirre. Isaguirre. High concentrations of ash suggest the presence of clandestine crematoriums. Yeah. Bodies were disposed of there, not at the volume of an Auschwitz level thing. But yeah, there were definitely people getting burned there. So they're just killing people.

all the time. Yeah. I mean, body disposal to a level where there's nothing left is something you do in a place where you're worried about the government catching you. But this is Guadalajara, at least because this is new generation cartel of territory they're not worried about. There's no, the forensic services in some of these places are like, here's some spent casings from this murder. Oh, thank you.

Just throw them in this giant hill of casings that they have in this evidence locker, right? They're overwhelmed. There's no... Also, you can't solve any crimes. You're dead. 90% of all murders. Imagine your job. If you do it well, you're dead. Yeah, exactly. Well, you're not going to do it well. 90% of all murders in Mexico are never solved. 90. Maybe a bit over that. So it's... You have this cartel now.

that is you know you have el mayo somebody's gone el chapo's sons are cutting a deal one of them apparently has made an alliance with the head of the New Generation Cartel, a man by El Mencho. His nickname is El Mencho. Nemesio Segueda Cervantes is his real name. Last time I was here, there was like almost five years ago I was here. There were questions about if he was even alive or not. You know, people thought he was like being kept alive as a spoke figure because he's low key.

Very low-key. He's not flashy. Everything's militarized. He's very good at his tradecraft. But recently, you know. He's very much alive. He's very much exposed himself a few times. He was almost arrested recently and the federal police apparently tipped off his security about the operation against him. It's the second time he was almost arrested. He's the biggest target right now in Mexico. We recently learned through the media of Trump's authorization of utilizing military action in Mexico.

Latin America in general, you know, all the way from Venezuela, all the way up to Mexico. You know, you hear these rumblings of, like, how is this military operation going to look like? Is this going to be an invasion? You know, are we going to see, like, a column of U.S. Marines driving down to Tijuana? We're probably getting to spend some time in Tijuana. It's probably not a good idea.

Are we going to see like people, Delta Force guys showing up in Tijuana and Kuliakon and going on a raid on their own without permission of the local authorities? What's this going to look like? I don't see a direct trust between Mexico and the United States anymore. There's issues there. The U.S. has realized that politics are compromised at a high level in Mexico.

Completely. With the example of the recent almost arrest of Nemesio Cegaservantes El Mencho, you see that the federal forces are compromised as well. So, like, who do you trust as an American force that is trying to... cut the stem of drugs into this country is kind of the excuse that they're utilizing for this designation. And who do you trust down there?

I posted, I'm friends with a bunch of dorks, and they're all looking at flight tracker and intelligence and stuff like that, and I'm a dork too. And one of them sent me this suspicious... drone american drone flying over the state of mexico in circles and i posted it immediately you know i think i was one of the first ones to post it online and a press

briefing happened almost immediately and the head of public safety in mexico omar gasejar who said like oh yeah this is we asked for this drone to fly over this area Who did you ask? This is not a military drone, but we asked for it to fly over this area. Which... I don't think he knows what the fuck's going on. I don't think he knows why there's a drone flying out over a very specific part of Mexico. I don't know. It seemed like he didn't.

or either he didn't want to reveal this drone, but there have been many times recently of drones just flying close to the border or over Mexico. They're clearly... drawing a map an intelligence map of targets in mexico so something is coming i think whoa um but what is it going to look like though is the question that people are asking i i don't know um

Speaking to somebody like Gafe down in Mexico, he was a former member of the special operations. And I asked him, like, hey, what is the military going to do with the U.S.? Like, we're going in without your approval. He said, well, if you start fighting the cartels without approval of the Mexican government, you will turn criminal organizations into freedom fighters.

And they're already integrated into the military in certain ways because some of them are working for them and some of them are working for us. So you will make the whole a cohesive force against you. Oh, boy. Which is an interesting theory.

You know, if that happens. That seems likely. It does. Yeah, because there's like anti-U.S. sentiment already. It is. And then also the closing of the borders. It's a perfect storm. I mean, Trump is... divisive and in mexico he has been turned into this very uh clear uh like enemy like this is the enemy you know Uh, specifically by politicians down there, he's pretty easy to just vilify. Like it's, I said, well, you know, why is Sinaloa on fire?

Maybe it's because you have a corrupt governor there who was clearly in cartel ties and stuff like that, who's part of your party, but you haven't figured out how to get him out of office. Maybe it's that. Or no, it's the U.S. because they abducted El Mayo. That's why that. places on fire that's their charge someone with treason that's why they charge somebody with high treason which is unheard of but there you go um so like who who are you going to trust in that realm and so

Mexico has pressed the whole, the U.S. is responsible for this. And they're kind of wiping their hands from it. And the U.S. keeps pointing their finger at high-level government, which is something, again... five years ago i spoke about this on this podcast and i got a lot of for it i said there's no way of going after cartels in mexico without going after the government because they're one in the same in a lot of places

and that was back then and now it's even more clear as how tied they are um if nothing happens if the united states doesn't do anything how much bigger can the cartels get this is the question it's like What is going to happen to just this entire country? Wouldn't it be great to manage your portfolio on one platform? Well, now you can trade all in one place on Robinhood.

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The Sinaloa cartel operated in a very old-fashioned way. You know, they wouldn't... No cagas en te comas. It was their politics. Don't shit where you eat was their politics for a long time. You saw a change in this when the brutality aspect and how this shit changed in Mexico. There was an incident. Members of Los Arellano Felix cartel, the Tijuana cartel, were in a direct conflict with elements of El Chapo, Guzman's organization. And they had an assassin.

They had an assassin basically infiltrate the living circle of one of El Chapo's main guys, El Guero Palma. And he seduced his wife, killed her. and abducted his kids and threw them off a bridge and sent that video to Aguero Palma. And I think after, I mean, brutal shit had happened after that, before that, but I think that set off this. At some point, that whole war that happened, you know.

You start getting the elements of the Zetas coming in who were former special operator guys who basically said, like, we can start our own cartel, which a lot of them were Fort Bragg trained.

individuals that went down yeah some of them some of them went through the green beret course uh four nationals go through that course a lot so they went to the green beret course and then they go back to mexico and then as soon as they get back to mexico like oh congratulations on your cool green beret and all this training come train our guys or come work for us

So at some point, all of this started militarizing the conflict in Mexico. It went from gang... against gang violence which is like very reminiscent of some of the stuff that happened up here during the gang uh era uh or some of the al capone era you know uh shootouts between people um The Zetas changed the game. They started bringing in guerrilla warfare tactics into this realm. They started doing all of those torture videos.

cartel execution videos that's that comes from them they realize that you know part of a guerrilla warfare campaign is propaganda and how can you make propaganda of shooting a guy in the field right film it So they changed that game. They started realizing that, yeah, it's one thing having a kid with sneakers on the back of a truck with an AK whose dad was part of the organization and he brought his kid in.

But it's probably a better idea to have militarized or paramilitary groups working with us, you know. So they started getting these evolutions of ideas of what a criminal organization should be. And all of that, you know. The members of the New Generation Cartel that is now kind of like dominating Mexico started off as a Zeta hunting force that the Zeno Law Cartel formed in Jalisco.

And they said, like, well, we can do this for ourselves now too as well. So that's how they originated in a lot of ways. So this organization... has taken the textbook learning process of all these other cartels and is now this cartel with all this foundation, educational foundation, as far as how to set up an organization, how to set up all these transnational routes, how to operate on both sides of the border.

how to augment their capabilities constantly through technology um drone warfare was first seen i think in mexico you start you saw drones dropping bombs and like that in mexico before the ukrainian conflict but they got really good at it the ukrainians have taken that to an art form

there are mexican nationals fighting for their foreign services their foreign uh brigades in in the ukraine and some of them have gone into that route drone operators and some of them are coming back and you started seeing this sudden sophistication. It used to be bomblets dropped from these commercial drones and the explosives and the more probably mining level explosives. You start seeing these...

bomblets made and they were more reminiscent of Colombian explosives or IRA era explosives. And now you're seeing these. coordinated drone attacks on military forces in Mexico. I think they recently got some high-level army official, they got him with a drone. They didn't kill him, but they almost killed him. So we started seeing these drones now being operated as scouts. So you can't get close to them because these drones are in the sky.

So now you're seeing drone cartels fighting against other cartel drones. So now we're seeing cartel guys with these futuristic drone, anti-drone guns in the field. I've seen those things, yeah.

They look like space guns, but on the hands of a cartel guy wearing sandals, which is... What the fuck's going on with these people? So you start seeing all this... augmentation of capabilities this single cartel now has all of this history behind it all of these lessons behind it all this training behind all this technology and it is poised to make

punch a hole right through its territory and go up north into the United States, right? There are no segments of the border wall currently that are actually... or a city that is controlled by the new generation cartel that is on the border. That's not the case now. But there are places that are starting to maybe look like they're going that way, Tijuana being one of them.

where I'm from. You start seeing the last remaining sons of Ochapa Guzman that are free. Archivaldo is the strongest one. And his faction of Los Chapitos is what they call themselves. this past year announced that they had reached an alliance with this new cartel, this new generation cartel. So now it's a cohesive force, and they had historical ties and a part of the border.

that they owned already, that they inherited from their dad. So that nightmare scenario, having this cartel now having a clear doorway into the United States is pretty close if it's not there already. And how wild would it be if the border were still wide open?

Because they've cut down on illegal immigrants by some high 90%. Yeah. It's way down. There's still crossings going on. Oh, yeah. I'm sure. It's really expensive. It's really expensive. You got to get that guy off TikTok. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a bunch of ways they do. I saw one where they were like, hey, they'll grab a portfolio full of copies of IDs. And like, oh, you look like this, dude.

And then they'll give you, you know, just get really drunk before you cross and pretend you're asleep. And they'll give you paperwork that looks like the dude that looks like you. that's how they cross people and it's a lot it's very expensive that's how they cross you fast boats you know there's a bunch of videos online just boats just arriving on the beach and just dudes jumping out it's a classic running

And running. Once they're in, they're in. There's a shortage of those wave runners. There's a shortage of them in Mexico because they just buy them. Well, a short trip. I mean, if you think, if you get on one in Tijuana and you hop over to San Diego, it's not that far. No, and they'll swarm it now. They'll do many of those boats. And if you were in TJ, you could see off the coast. There's a bunch of Navy ships now off the coast there, which is a cause for alarm for a lot of Mexicans.

Mexicans view any sort of intervention by the United States with fear. Although they are also fearful of what happens if this is allowed to continue in Mexico and they don't see any solutions from the government. It seems like the opposite. It seems like it's going more and more towards the cartel. Yeah. So what would happen if the United States didn't infiltrate, if the United States didn't attack, if something didn't happen, if they just stepped away? I think we're already involved.

you know, this, this, uh, this arrest of a Maya Zambada, this, uh, this. this designation that allows a lot of things, safety, safety's off type thing against Mexico, against some of these cartels. What's worrying in the eyes of Mexico and in the eyes of Mexicans, I guess, the... You know, the fact that there was a promise of no negotiating with terrorists, or at least it's something that is assumed. You know, you don't negotiate with terrorists. It's like a thing, you know.

But all of a sudden, one of these factions just made a deal and they're negotiating with them. And now all these people are crossing that border. Their family members are crossing that border and now in the safety of the United States. The dude that the United States made a deal with is responsible for the death of a few special operators that were a part of his arrest. What are they going to tell their families of that loss and why they died?

And also the piles of bodies that were around after both of his arrest attempts. So there's distrust on all sides. Mexicans don't trust the government to solve it. What's the deal with your president? What's her deal? Shame mom? Woke? Very woke. Very to the left. A few guerrilla forces in Central America have come out and said that she was one of the resistance fighters with them. Jewish.

That's kind of odd. It is very odd for Mexico. Very loved by large segments of the population. What is there about it? that she's loved? Like what it's about her policies or what she represents? I think she's feeding off a lot of the love that they had for AMLO. AMLO was our Trump. That's the best way of describing him.

popular populist guy drain the swamp rhetoric like all these other guys all the they're the conservatives can go gone we're gonna win this he won by a landslide But he kept talking about conservatives and the previous parties, but all the Moreno Party is made up of all these other politicians just switching sides and joining his party.

you know um shame mom shame mom came in with a big job on her hands as far as security she immediately reversed the whole of raso no balazos i mean there's balazos on the table now you know i recognize that she brought into office with her man. What did you mean by that? When you say him, Velazos, what was it? Abrazo no Velazos, like hugs not bullets. She got rid of that, and now there's a lot more. There's a lot of Velazos. There's more bullets now. Okay.

There's a man in power right now, a security official named Omar Garcia Harfouche, who has a sordid history in Mexico. He has been in circles of people that have been involved in some shit. But he himself has not been... There's nothing on him that we know of.

El super policía, the super cop is what he called him. He's very well loved by his men. I actually talked to a few people that worked directly with him. He seems to be like a guy who's willing to go up to task. And he's receiving all the pressure from the United States to like... We need results for you guys. Like, what are you doing? So he has been heading up operations against some of these organizations, specifically in Siena Loa. And we've seen record-breaking...

fentanyl seizures and high-level politicians being caught up in some of these things. And specifically, the interesting part of the operations he's conducting all over Mexico is he's actually going after municipalities. So he's going after like municipal... presidents and some of the local governments that are basically all corrupted. He realizes that, hey, where's the cartel here? Oh, the cartel's a government. Local government's a cartel. Oh.

So they do these mass swarm operations on some of these places where they arrest the police chief, they arrest the mayor. He realizes that this is the front. that he has to not fight because the cartel isn't just these organizations out in the hills anymore. They're inside. They're infiltrated. They're in politics. And people think about drugs only, but drugs don't...

these cartels are fighting for what you call as well, fuel trafficking. You know, there was a family... Avocados. Avocados. If you go to Chipotle and order extra guac... You're putting money in the pockets of this new generation cartel or the Familia Michoacana. How crazy is that? It's wild. And it's fuel theft.

And the fuel theft side of it, what they call it in Mexico, is interesting. But that puts in a lot of people in the United States that have been involved in it, taking illegally siphoned fuel from Mexico. by some of these criminal organizations, putting it on a ship, and then doing a lot of magic with the paperwork, and then it ended up ending up in the U.S., and money exchanging weird hands. So that's another side of it that people don't kind of...

One of the... Look at this. Mexican authorities seized nearly 4 million gallons of stolen fuel. AP News. This has been going on for years and against another part of the way they finance themselves and these criminal organizations have been able to grow without. Yeah, they branch out. They diversified years ago. Yeah. So they're not just because even if you shut off the drugs totally, they're still making billions. And low key, Mexico has become first world in a lot of ways. First, we're...

You know, we're welcoming all your huddled masses. You know, Mexico is Mexico is the Statue of Liberty. All of the economic migrants that can't afford to live here in the U.S. move to Mexico. Oh, yeah. A lot of people do. There's giant communities of Americans living down there. When we were in Jalisco, we were surprised to find gringos living in the middle of cartel territory. Weren't the Mormons the first people to do that? There were some of the first ones to do some of these communities.

Like expat communities down in Mexico are common. Yeah, the Mormons were pretty big down there. Actually, yeah, yeah. There was... I think the last time I was here was when that massacre happened. Yes. Yes. They have Mormon compounds in Mexico. Yeah, armed. Yeah. That have been there since the 1800s. Yeah. Mitt Romney's dad was Mexican. Yeah. Yeah. Mitt Romney's dad was born in Mexico. That's why he couldn't be president in the United States. Why?

Wild. Yeah. And Mitt Romney's dad was a part of one of those massive encampments of armed people. Yeah. Protecting Joseph Smith's ideas. Yeah. Crazy. Also like. I remember when I talked about it on this podcast, Mormons from the U.S. corrected me and said that those guys weren't real Mormons. Oh, how convenient. Well, didn't they go over there because they didn't want to get rid of polygamy? I think so. They should have stuck around. It's coming back. Polygamy's back in Toronto.

Oh, cool. Yeah. Canada because of Islam. Because so many Muslims have moved to Toronto, they made polygamy legal again. Yeah, I was in Canada recently, and I was like, wow, that's pretty interesting. Yeah, good job, guys. Keep at it. the i think mexico was on its mexico is probably the if you can invest in any country in the world right now i think mexico would be it really the industrial plant that is that it has

A lot of the stuff that is leaving China, it's moving to Mexico. Youth, it has a consumer base that is growing exponentially. So how do you get rid of all the violence? Is that possible at this point in time? Is it so soaked into the culture? I think it is. I think we're at a tipping point where the Mexican culture in general is like sick of it.

Like, it doesn't want this shit anymore. We're seeing attacks on... freedom of expression in mexico in a way because uh some of these popular singers that would sing cartel songs are now banned from performing performing them live so that's like an attack on freedom of speech but Pop.

Population is pretty cool with it, though. They're letting it slide, so it means that they're kind of ready to give up shit. It became an issue in America, right? Where there was a popular singer that they wouldn't allow back into the country, and he had these huge sold-out arena shows. Yeah. Again, I talked about how if you're going to attack these organizations, you have to attack.

all of these are like just like you attack al-qaeda you attack who finances them who and a lot of these a lot of these uh organizations were basically utilizing some of these popular singers to launder money or to gain influence in the u.s or to

sing about their exploits, they would pay them to sing about their exploits. So when this designation came down, it was clear that some of these guys were on the chopping block. This terrorist designation came down from the U.S. government. It was clear that some of these singers were going to be on the chopping block. wow another phenomenon is that the u.s is actually uh this is the guy four million

listeners on Spotify every month. He was killed in a parking lot yesterday. He was killed in a parking lot yesterday? Oh, wow. Musicians celebrated drug cartel exploits and songs shot dead in a parking lot in Mexico. Oh, yeah, yeah. This is yesterday. Was this today? Yes. Wow. This is the singer. Yeah, Grupo Enigma.

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Since it was so normalized in Mexico, just a bunch of YouTubers started popping up like, I'm a cartel YouTuber. I'm going to talk about cartel stuff on YouTube. And they've been getting... When the Chapitos and the Mayos started fighting over Sinaloa, those Mayos put a plane up and started dispersing pamphlets. with pictures of all the YouTube influencers that they knew were helping out the Chapitos faction or they were working with them. And they've been going down that list.

They recently killed one dude at his house who was talking about cartels. Like TMZ for cartels. Yeah. Yeah, the hackers, that's him. Apparently the cartel hired a hacker to send a link to his wife that she opened and they tracked them where they were hiding. Wow.

He was all over social media in Mexico and even regular media in Mexico talking about the cartels. As of Sunday, no arrests have been reported. No, somebody just walked into his house with a ski mask and shot him through the... bathroom door when you try to hold it shut um and this is these are all signs that the populace in mexico independently of cartels just the general mass of mexico is

This is the tipping point. They're done with this. They don't want this anymore Which you know, what do you do with that energy that momentum? How many people are we talking about when you talk about all the cartels? How many people are in there? Thousands. So if it was an army, how big would the army be? I don't know. 400,000 people. Whoa.

Just, like, doing really quick math in my head of, like, approximations of how many new generation cartel members are apparently out there, which there's no real way of knowing, but there are the formulations. How many Taliban were in Afghanistan? I don't know. Jamie, Google that. During the height of the war, how many Taliban were in Afghanistan? And then you see these organizations. I mean, there's the people fighting out there.

the people in charge, the people settling up shop, the people in finance, the people that are running the shell companies, the people that are running the actual companies because these cartels own companies, you know? Okay, look at this. Early estimates from took 2001 to 2017 range from 45,000 to 60,000. Yeah There's way more fighters down there. How crazy is that? So we spent trillions of dollars. We were there for 20 years in Afghanistan for 60,000 dudes. Yeah.

They were hiding out in the mountains. And then we left. And we left behind Black Hawk helicopters, tanks. And a lot of those firearms are showing up in Mexico. Oh, of course. They're for sale. The night vision equipment. Night vision, like, high, sophisticated, expensive. I know about night vision. I've been learning about all this stuff in the U.S. from my friends who are all gun nuts. And I'm looking, it's like, oh, God, look at these.

dude where are those they're in a house and cool they're gone it's like holy shit dude how the fuck did they get from there's routes i bet dudes got on a plane the moment the u.s left they were like look at all this shit we got money let's make a deal with these guys yeah weaponry is coming coming in from that side obviously the u.s is responsible for most of the gun running down to mexico well let's talk about operation fast and furious Which was bananas. Wide receiver.

Started off as white receiver. I think that was the original name for it. It's it's a bush airplane it to people what happened? So I should administration it was wide receiver and then Obama administration It was fast and furious again. I'm gonna speak of this my participant in all this was I was in Mexico and a bunch of my friends got killed with those guns. Wow. We started to see, just imagine, I'm in my 20s back then, and...

We get in shootouts and people are running around with guns and stuff like that. It's mostly like AR-15s, AK-47s. Some of them are really rusty and old. Norinco rifles from China. Just weird. and all of a sudden you start finding people with .50 caliber Barrett rifles with scopes on them. Zero it in. In the box.

with munitions and and then you look at the box where they came in and you see a label that says arizona on it and you're like you know that's a weird thing to find on this crack house that we're at And then a few of my friends got killed with these FN57 pistols. It's a high-velocity round that comes in them. It was kind of fabricated in the Cold War to fight.

russians invading europe and they wanted to be able to penetrate their body armor with small pistols and small sub guns that they might have in urban areas so we started seeing those and just just a massive amount of firearms being delivered specifically to senior law cartel groups in the area we're working with um and we didn't know anything about it like where all these things come from apparently

in the u.s during the bush administration they started an operation that was meant to track firearms being straw purchased in places like arizona and other parts of the us by individuals being gathered by cartel members, put into cars, and then driven down to Mexico to supply the cartels. The ATF was involved in all this. Eric Holder was very involved in all this. Their plan or theory was we're going to track these guns when they go down to Mexico.

But nothing got tracked, or at least we don't know of anything that got really tracked or any high-level arrest made because of the guns that they were just allowed to. What do you think is really going on? Because that sounds like a bullshit cover. We're just tracking these guns. I mean, what do you do when you want to destabilize a region if you're another country? You give guns to the shitsorgers. Why would they want to destabilize them?

in such an immoral way that they needed this to happen so badly they were willing to give them weapons to kill each other. I mean, back then, it was a Sinaloa cartel trying to fight. control over the area, over some people that were coming in like the Zed does and other organizations. And I don't know, why would you send guns to this specific region? I'm not saying that the U.S. purposely armed a single cartel in Mexico.

But that's what it kind of looks like. Yeah. You know, that's what it looks like. That's the only thing. And this is the purpose of it. And this is what we saw because.

you know a lot of the a lot of the things that they were because it looked like a laundry list some of the stuff that they were bringing down 50 cal why do you think 50 calibers started getting like we're so hot back and still that arts a lot it's because people started doing armor so they needed a way to getting getting through armor so 50 cals

right and americans especially some of my american military and police friends are always making fun of the fact that none of these big ass rifles have any sights on them they do have sights on them but they get stolen by the cops before they put them in front of the picture for the news. Ah. I've heard. I've heard. It wasn't me. That makes sense. You get a nice expensive. Red dot on that. Fuck you.

These guys don't even have sights on their guns. They can shoot. They can shoot far. They can shoot well. Some of them, not all of them. Yeah, if they've got expensive guns, of course they've got sights. That's ridiculous. Yeah, but everything gets stripped off, you know? Donations. Of course.

Makes sense. These started showing up in Mexico. A bunch of people started dying. And then two federal agents that were doing a protection detail died down there during a cartel shootout. I'm not too sure on the details of this, but... They were involved in a shootout in Mexico. They were doing a protection detail down there. One of them was a Border Patrol agent assigned to this, Ryan Terry. They set up a foundation in his memory.

I think I raised like a few grand for this foundation. And I did that only as a point to like be able to say, yeah, yeah, I raised this money for this foundation to honor this fallen. police officer that was going that was in mexico that was killed by american guns that were given to the cartels to bring attention to the fact that

You know, we know who Ryan Terry is, but do we know who my friends are who were killed by these guns? Or a lot of the unknown people that were killed by some of these guns that were allowed to walk through that border knowingly by ATF officials, even though the people running these gun shops were like, hey, dude. Are you sure? They want like four AKs. Are you sure? Yeah, yeah, let them walk. They're under surveillance. We're tracking these. And they just go down. So...

If you had to imagine, no one's saying this is true, but if you had to imagine what kind of a deal would be made where you would guarantee the shipment of weapons from the United States into Mexico. By the federal government. For what purpose? To destabilize? Destabilize? Support a specific faction? Right. But that's the question. Why them?

And like, was it money? Was it influence? Were they working on something? You know, there's a lot of... We're in the realm of theory right now. Of course. But Elmayo Zambala learned his tradecraft in Los Angeles 50 years ago. And one of the people that was instrumental in showing him how to run drugs and move things through countries was a man who was a Castro-era police officer who was involved in the Bay of Pig incidents.

Whoa. That man married his Elmayo sister, and that's who taught Elmayo Zambada everything he knew about moving things around. Wow. So I'm not going to say the CIA, but... Oh, my God. Well, you know, I've had Freeway Ricky Ross on the podcast multiple times. And for people who haven't seen those episodes or heard me talk about Ricky, Ricky is the real Rick Ross. Like Rick Ross, the rapper.

That's not his name. He named himself Rick Ross because Freeway Ricky was a legend. He was a legend in Los Angeles. He was the number one cocaine dealer in Los Angeles, and he was getting it all from... From the CIA. And he was helping funding the Contras versus the Sandinistas in Nicaragua. And he had no idea because he couldn't even read. And that same... Contra situation pops up again with the death of Kiki Camarena, the DEA agent. One of the people, there was two major prisoners.

extraditions of cartel members from mexico to the u.s and the first one that came through uh i think a year ago was uh the the the apparent murderer of kiki camarena was cartel member And they've always pinned it on him. Like the cartels were, there was this giant row of marijuana out there and that Ki Kamara saw it and reported it. And Caro Quintero, who owned this plantation, had him killed.

Right. And we actually went down to Jalisco where he was tortured and killed and talked to the locals there. And they were like, oh, the CIA house. Like what? That's what some of the people there say and I have ever seen the video of Michael Rupert whose was a friend of mine who passed away years back He He was a former Los Angeles narcotics officer. He was on C-SPAN at a hearing. And during the...

during the hearing, said, I have personally witnessed the CIA selling drugs in Los Angeles and everybody goes fucking crazy. It is the wildest thing to see because this is like... Jamie, was that the 90s? Yeah. Do you remember? Were you around when Rupert was a guest? No. No. Rupert was pre-Jamie. Wow. Yeah. So Rupert was on a couple of times.

And then he took his own life one time. He was very depressed. I don't doubt that he took his life. He was living pretty destitute. I think he was in a trailer. I get it. The end wasn't good, but there was a movie. Here, let's listen. Mike Rupert, 1996. Let's play some of this because it is crazy.

It's crazy. This is all live on C-SPAN. Los Angeles police narcotics detective, and I work South Central Los Angeles, and I will tell you, Director Deutsch, emphatically and without equivocation. Can you speak further into the mic, sir? These mics don't seem to be. Yo! It was great. And he goes into detail. And look, these are all L.A. people. They're like, fucking thank you. But this is like... The CIA is up there, too.

Yes, yes. This is like conspiracy theory. This never happened, but there you go. Look at the head of the CIA. Look at him. That guy's got a human skin suit on. That's a demon. Listen to when Rupert talks. I just wrote a note to that guy, too. Yeah. Shout out to Juanita for getting control of the room because everybody went nuts when he said that. So he elaborates. I mean, when you say you went nuts, he talks to the director.

Pegasus, and Watchtower. I have Watchtower documents heavily redacted by the agency. I was personally exposed to CIA operations and recruited by CIA personnel who attempted to recruit me in the late 70s. to become involved in protecting agency drug operations in this country i have been trying to get this out for 18 years and i have the evidence my question for you is very specific sir if in the course of the ig's investigations and fred hits his work

You come across evidence of severely criminal activity, and it's classified. Will you use that classification to hide the criminal activity, or will you tell the American people the truth? He's like, should I handle this? They're going to activate the bomb in his head right there. He's like, I don't want to talk.

Look at that guy in the back with his fingers touching together. He's so nervous. He's there to try and pull him out if something happens. I don't know about those hands. That guy's doing Bill Gates' hands. wherever you want, but let me suggest three places. The Los Angeles Police Department. Check out that dude in the front with the leopard hat and the leopard scarf. Amazing. Amazing segment of time.

You hear him? I did that 18 years ago. Jamie, find that find the trailer for that movie they did with him. So there was they were interviewing him. I forget what the entire. premise of this thing was they were interviewing him for something and he was so intense they decided to do an entire movie of just michael rupert sitting in a chair in like a warehouse smoking cigarettes and talking about

the collapse of the global economy. Collapse. Play the trailer for this because it's so nuts. See if you can find the trailer for Collapsed. The whole CIA thing is... This is Michael. We are all collectively responsible for what may be the greatest preventable holocaust in the history of planet Earth. I have 30 years of experience as an investigative journalist. I've broken major scandals.

Going out to try and map how the world really worked as opposed to the way we were told it worked. Our map has proven deadly accurate. My economic predictions, we had it so right. In 2006, we said, get out of debt right now. Check your mortgage carefully. We issued a whole series of warnings. There will be nothing like we have ever seen before. That's January 2005.

Right now, gold prices, Pakistan, Afghanistan, the stock market. It's not that Bernie Madoff was a pyramid scheme. The whole economy is a pyramid scheme. Of course I've been called a conspiracy theorist. But I don't deal in conspiracy theory, I deal in conspiracy fact. The mortal blow to human industrialized civilization will happen when oil prices spike and nobody can afford to buy that oil and everything will just shut down.

Unlike the Great Depression, we do not have infinite resources. Nothing grows forever. There is a cycle. Birth, growth, maturation, decline and death. Cars don't run. The mail stops getting delivered. Planes don't fly. Law enforcement stops working. This is all part of the collapse. If you're in a camp and a bear attacks, you don't have to be faster than the bear.

You only have to be faster than the slowest camper. The challenge being faced by the human race now is either evolve or perish, grow up or die. You have to believe, not hope, not pray that there's a way out of it, and you're going to find it. The whole documentary, just this dude sitting there freaking you out. It's like Mexico's UFOs are, it's always been like, Mexico's Bigfoot is CIA.

There have been Manuel Bendia, I think, was a writer in the 60s and 70s. He would talk about the CIA and he got shot. They're like recently in the past 10 years, a bunch of CIA documents have come out of Mexican presidents being on the payroll by the CIA from like all the like all the Cold War era presidents were like CIA.

agents on the payroll. So Mexico has this vision of the CIA and the U.S.'s responsibility for some of the things that are going on down there that are very different than the U.S.'s perception of... responsibilities it's probably more accurate i mean it's direct um it was shocking to me when we were there at kiki coming in at that house where he was kept and i think tortured and and finally killed that the people around there that have lived there

when it happened some of them would call that the cia house so that was that was a weird thing to and maybe they've been kind of like polluted by all the all the stuff they've been looking at or seeing after that happened but or maybe they're just being accurate or maybe they're just being accurate um let's say that's the again realm of theory you have

The United States dealing with Mexico and a 9-11 happens. And then you're worried about things going through the border like a nuke, you know, you're paranoid. Do you entrust the Mexican government to keep that border safe and tell you if anything goes through that border? Or do you talk to the cartels that actually own that border? Who do you talk to? You have to talk to the cartels.

So I think there's always been a backdoor channel communication there going on or direct communication going on of some sort. Which only makes sense. Yeah. I wonder how much of an influence it has in our drug laws. Because sensible drug laws would treat... all drugs the same way we treat alcohol. Yeah. Sensible because alcohol is a drug. And we know that when we had a prohibition would lasted for how many years, like 13 years in this country, it did nothing but prop up organized crime. Yeah.

Last time I came here, I was on my way to becoming alcohol sober. So alcohol is a very dangerous drug. You can kill yourself with it very easily. You could buy a bottle that will kill you. Yep. In any store. Any store. I had to lock myself in a fucking ranch. I did it old school. How long did it take? My whole life.

It's going to take, I think. I'm always going to be like I think about it sometimes. But I've been sober for about four years now. Congratulations. Thank you. That's awesome. But it's hard to do. It is not easy. I don't have the addiction gene, the physical addiction gene. I don't know why. But like even I chew on these nicotine pouches all the time. I went on vacation and I said, no nicotine. Let's see what happens.

For five days. I was fine. Nothing. Coffee. I said, I'm going to quit coffee. I quit coffee for five days. Like, no weirdness. I think for me it was medication. When I got out of work. I had loads of PTSD the first time I was on the podcast. We talked a little bit about it. And then afterwards, you gave me some names of some people I should talk to. And I did. I went out and looked out for help. Eventually, I just got sober.

It's insane to me how differently alcohol gets treated versus all other substances. Well, it's one of the only ones that if you get off it too quick, you'll die. Yes. Which I did. Did you get real close to that? I had to. I had my heart. I started feeling my heart do shit. Oh, did you think, well, I just have a little drinky poo and get back on track and do this slowly. A slow drip. When.

when i left the studio the last time it was you're still in la um my marriage ended around that same time And I had a few things going on, PTSD and trying to figure things out and drinking myself to sleep every third day because it's the only way I can.

go through a sleepless through a dreamless night was unsustainable um so my life was falling apart and i had to like do something i had a friend who owns a big ranch and he had a cabin that i could stay in he said hey you can stay here how long did it take to i got there and i didn't want to feel like a freeloader so i i got there and i gave them they had a little small community uh school there for the kids so i brought a tv and like

dvds and like gave him all this stuff that's awesome okay stay here he he stood me in front of everybody and said this guy's an alcoholic if i catch anybody giving me alcohol or if you see him giving me alcohol you're out embarrass me like i felt like Shit. But it gave me what I needed. Third night. Shakes and sweats. Wild dreams. I think I pissed myself. but it was a sweat um then i started getting my heart chest veins and shit like that going on and i think it took me about two weeks i think

to really be on the level. Don't do it that way. It's a stupid way of doing it. You'll almost die. Some people do, right? Yeah. I think that's how Amy Winehouse died. Yes, that's probably, yeah. Isn't that the case, Jamie? Don't they think that Amy Winehouse died from complications of alcoholism, of trying to get sober? Yeah. You feel it. People often say, I feel like I'm dying. No. That feels like you're dying. Like somebody's sitting on your chest.

And you can't get up. And also your brain is screaming for something that it can't get. Right. Alcohol poisoning. After binge drinking following a period of abstinence. Oh, even worse. Eventually, eventually I started speaking about it. I was embarrassed about it. I started writing about it. publishing on my on my instagram account just like my experience with it and i i got a lot of help from a lot of people um did you ever do ibogaine yeah yeah it

It did things. It opened up a few warm cans of worms of the past in me. But it, yeah, it helped. That's the one thing that I hear over and over again for people that do suffer from PTSD and people that do suffer from addiction. Ibogaine's the one. It's like a weird conversation. It's like you've avoided these very specific things for decades. And now there's no way of avoiding them. And they're there. And it's like, you know.

I don't know. I don't think I don't want to. It led me on a path and it specifically opened up a bunch of doors for me in the realm of. You know, I'm the cartel guy. I used to do this, and that's what I do, and I train people on that. But then I'm a guy going through alcohol sobriety in public. You know, I had Randy Blythe, the lead singer of Lamb of God, reach out out of nowhere. This random guy that I used to listen to when I was working, you know, my headphones. He's like, hey, Ed.

yeah you're speaking about yours if you need do you have a sponsor it's like i never went to aa i just locked myself in a room you're stupid for doing that But he like I'll be your sponsor he's so he oh wow so he started how fucking cool is that? I'm still a sponsor studies He is I don't he's a it's an amazing guy That's why I call it when I'm close. But yes, it is insane to think about the fact that the bottle of liquor, you can buy at the store, it'll kill you.

All you have to show is your ID. Well, it's the problem of addiction. You know, this is the actual fuel that runs the cartel. There's a giant problem in the United States of people and this appetite for illegal narcotics. Yes. And this pretending that people aren't doing these drugs.

And like they're pretending that making them illegal is going to stop this. No, all you're doing is propping up the cartel. That's all you're doing is funding the cartel. And then also helping the alcohol lobbyists in this country. Yeah. The perfect storm was the outbreak of the prescription opioid epidemic in this country. That was like this.

initiation of what later turned into like oh well this is off the table now because we passed all these laws and didn't put some people in jail that should have that should be in prison some families that i don't know how they're free yeah um But then what takes its place? Somewhere in Mexico, people were growing poppies, and they said, well, let's add a little bit of fentanyl into these very weak poppy yields of heroin and see what it does.

And it kicked. Oh, so that was the source of it, that the heroin was weak? These hillsides have been leached for years from growing weed on them. Oh, so the topsoil was bad. They were doing monocrop agriculture with drugs. Oh my God. Industrial monocrop agriculture with drugs led to fentanyl being introduced into it to make it more potent. Wow.

And then also weed legalization in parts like California led to interesting phenomenons. Some of these fields were no longer profitable. So they would switch to poppy. One thing that people don't realize is that a lot of these things get tested out first in the markets in Mexico. Because Mexico has giant drug markets that are fought over. And people will try this.

You know, try this. Oh, boy. It's like trial samples that they hand out at the supermarket? Oh, no. So at some point in the past, somebody down in Jalisco probably tried the first load of Mexican... Fentanyl-y loaded heroin. Somebody somewhere out there probably did the first hit and was like, holy shit, you got a winner here. Or died immediately. Or died. And they said, hey, that's a little too potent. Because the amount of fentanyl that you need to kill somebody is so small. Yeah.

It was a hit here, though. It was a giant hit here in the U.S. Is it as big a problem in Mexico as it is in the United States? No. The reason is wild, though. It's not because Mexico cracks down a fentanyl and there's no fentanyl on the streets. It's because the cartels down there will kill you if they catch you selling that shit locally. Wow.

Because this poison is meant to export. Wow. If the cartels catch you selling anything that isn't from them or fentanyl in certain areas, they'll kill you. So that's the, that's the best, that's the Mexican dare program. That is so crazy. Like they know it's bad. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, they know. You see some of these cartels publicly claim like, oh, we don't deal in this fentanyl thing. This is not us. Fentanyl as a whole, I think, in the U.S. is kind of down. And I know that not...

All of it, or not most of it, is now coming from Mexico. I mean, you'll get pill shipments of fentanyl pills coming from Mexico, a lot of those. But you also get fentanyl in the mail all over the U.S. There's a loophole that is finally being closed about exporting things into the United States. So if they're below $800 or something like that, they don't get the full scan. So I know for a fact there are cartels.

in or groups of people in the united states organizing shipping things to the united states that have fentanyl in them and they started loading and they're selling fentanyl loaded substances into into u.s without any sort of cartel or mexican involvement That is also happening in the U.S. And the precursors for this stuff all come from China, correct? They all come from China. And this is my observation, I guess.

When COVID hit, these precursors started getting really rare for some of these organizations, specifically the senior law cartel was actually... getting their fentanyl in the U.S. from some of the last shipments that they were receiving in the ports in the U.S. because the U.S. kept the ports open for a bit longer. So you had cases of people, cartel members, getting caught with fentanyl smuggling into Mexico.

because they didn't get their regular supply from China from the regular ports. And that's what they were utilizing to infuse the drugs that they would send over to the U.S. But the one that didn't have any of those issues was the New Generation Cartel. because they own a lot of the ports on both sides of the country. And also they've always had, I don't know, this, I don't want to say that the People's Republic of China.

purposely has been sending fentanyl or has been turning a blind eye to all this phenomenon as a way to with the u.s it's probably the case though yeah That's probably the case. Well, it seems like that would be a good move if you want to destabilize a country. How about you get hundreds of thousands of people hooked on this terrible drug? Yeah. And, I mean, they're all over the illegal weed trade in the U.S. as well.

Right now. Yep. Hundreds of them I saw on the border crossing in single file. I was watching some video that some guy made about Maine. About there's this town in Maine, but there's all these Chinese nationals living there and they've taken over weed operations in Maine. It's wow. It's when we talked about Vietnam.

I think Mexico is a weird Vietnam in a lot of ways because you see foreign influences in Mexico in different ways. The current administration is very close with Venezuela and Cuba, which are enemies of the United States. They're pretty friendly with them. So that's one influence in the country. All of these precursors and supplies and all of these involve Chinese chemist, industrialist.

A lot of the cartels were basically hiding their money through Chinese banking institutions. That's the way you hide money from the U.S. You take it to a Chinese money broker. He puts it in the Chinese banking institution. You go to Mexico. you have a shell company down there or a real company down there and then you have your investments with that chinese company now you have legitimate money just transferring from one end to the other and nobody nobody's a wiser so

Mexico is a war field or a battle. A battle is being played out in Mexico that has a lot to do with the United States and affecting the interests of the United States. And China is clearly not. the u.s.'s friend in this battle probably and things have changed the dynamics have changed but you can clearly see that at some point they People in China, and I've heard people say that the largest intelligence organization in the world is Chinese.

the Chinese government, because everybody in China is part of the intelligence apparatus, basically. So it's hard for me to believe that all these industrialists and all these chemists come to Mexico and show these cartel members how to... cook manufacture make or actually fabricate like they've been fabricating fentanyl in mexico there have been a few laboratories found in mexico where they're actually making fentanyl in mexico this is very common now

But they learned their tradecraft and skillcraft from people from China. How can the Chinese government have these people moving in and out of the country and showing these things back and forth and not like, oh, we don't know anything about this. Right. They're probably directed to do it.

I don't know. Look, it makes sense. It makes sense. You know, there's so many countries that are involved in destabilizing America, just like we're involved in destabilizing other countries. There's a whack-a-mole game that's going on all over the world. which is talked about a lot here in the u.s these venezuelan gangs uh they're operating in central mexico openly now um there's power vacuums all over the country where all these cartel guys are getting hit and people are

The age of the large organizations is probably coming to an end. Sinaloa is, the Sinaloa cartel doesn't exist anymore. There's smaller factions basically in control, which is allowing things to come in. are these venezuelan gangs that are operating in a way where the mexican government hasn't hasn't dealt with that it's more like uh localized gang shit you know um camora like italian mafia type

dealings that they have. Which is like old school Mexican cartels used to do. So now they're having to de-evolve. I mentioned this because I talked to some people who are actively working against that federally in Mexico. And then all of a sudden we hear these mentions of Maduro, the president of Venezuela, being placed on that $50 million, I think, for his head. And he's basically now the head of the giant cartel.

which is an interesting narrative that the U.S. is putting out there now. Is that real? I don't know. You see a lot of these Venezuelan people having clear knowledge and skills. You know, in training. And then they're operating in Mexico, clearly with some sort of command or directive structure that isn't clear. Like, there's no, like, who's the head of the Trenderagua cartel?

Nobody's going to tell you. They don't know. Who's supplying them? Who's sending them out? Who's controlling them? Who's organizing what? And it's like a destabilizing thing, element, I think. It's interesting that when we hear this new... mention of authorized military actions in South America. They don't say Mexico specifically. They say just South America. And a very big thing that comes up is Venezuela and Mexico.

I think whatever the U.S. is attempting is beyond cartel and drugs. This is about regional stability now and security. Mexico's industrial plant is the most valuable resource on the planet right now, I think, moving into the future. It's poised to be the next China. And the US sees this. And what does the U.S. need more than anything right now? An industrial plant. Right. And where is it going to get one? Mexico. And Maduro is just... the first time where there's been a gigantic bounty?

on a president of a South American country in our lifetime? I don't remember anybody else with one of those. But it's barely making the news. But it's wild. It's wild. He's the president of a country, and they're offering $50 million. for his capture. Yeah, and he's on the TV screaming. He has these daily fucking... How does he keep from getting kidnapped? I have no idea. They've tried to kill him. They tried to blow him up with the drone ones.

They try to imagine like for 50 mil Like some figure out you figure level guys might snatch him up. Yeah, I don't know I don't know how that works as far as a bounty on him, but he's he's worried He's mobilized militia forces all over the country. There was three years ago, five years ago, a bunch of Americans were apparently hired by these private institution, private groups to go and try and liberate Venezuela. And they all got caught by fishermen on the coast.

I think I got caught by fishermen. There was some fishermen on the coast that were like, hey, what are these guys doing here fucking with a 50 cal on top of a pickup truck? And I think they were grabbed and they were... put on media and like, oh, these guys are all people. I think one of them did security for a Trump event, so they put it all on Trump. Trump organized this.

I don't know the whole of the details. This is like a little bit out of my wheelhouse. But what I've heard is that a lot of that money actually came from Cuban intelligence people who were just trying to orchestrate an embarrassing moment for the U.S. by... paying all these mercenaries who are American to try and liberate Venezuela and just catching them. Wow. I think something like that's happened. There's a lot of gold coming out of that country. It has a lot of gold. There's a lot of...

shady things coming in and out of that country. Any country that is outside of the scope of Friends of the United States is a country where shady shit can happen. Jamie, what is the official reason why they have a bounty on Maduro? Cocaine smuggling operation. is allowing or responsible for. And Mexico, the president says they don't have any evidence of that. Yeah, see? And you don't have any evidence of that, but there's a bunch of in Venezuela and...

organizations in Mexico that you're fighting against. That are clearly involved in smuggling. Yeah, and that clearly have some sort of free movement between Venezuela and Mexico. What's going on? What is going on? But I think we're headed for something. Last time I was here, I said, in five years, we're going to see some sort of direct military intervention in Mexico, which has already happened, I think, with the rest of El Mayo Zambala.

I kind of called the whole terrorist designation thing. I said I didn't think he was going to do it on his first term, but the second one. And he skipped a term, and then we had some time, and then he came back with a force. What do you think would have happened if he didn't win? If who didn't win? If Trump didn't win, the border stayed wide open. Oh. I'm an immigrant. And I've seen that side of policy in the U.S. and how it's affected the community and generally the people.

But on the other end, I've also experienced Biden and the open borders policy and the amounts of horrible shit that I saw on that border and people being a bunch of kids that went missing. kids that were like what's going on with all these kids and why do they have arm bands and um and all these uh human trafficking yeah all these migrant camps being set up on the border and which generally good people don't want to believe

That human trafficking is a real business. It is the best. Child trafficking is a real business. It is a real business, and it is a big business, and most of anything related to sex traffic and specifically related to children, what part of the world do you think is the largest market for it? Is it the United States? they're always catching people too. They catch people and you're like, how many have they not caught? Yeah. You know, whenever they catch some new guy that's in trouble.

The phenomenon that's going on that I don't see a lot of people talk about is that the fact that, you know, a lot of Americans who are into this move to Mexico, and then Mexico is harder to... find some of these people so a lot of it some in some of these expat community places there are people hiding out who are pedophiles and they don't no longer have to figure out stuff in the us so they're moving down there and they're doing some of that down there um

trafficking of children, the sales of children, child theft, kidnappings are common in Mexico, very common in Mexico. And it's not something that you hear a lot about. But masses of people and children being moved up into the border have had some sort of organized effort with them to help that out.

If you're a cartel member and you're on the board and all of a sudden you see 14 kids that are all asleep, you're like, what the? Why are all these kids like asleep? Oh, they're tired from the trip. I mean, I... I have a kid, you know, she's like, I stop at a Starbucks and she wakes up like, what are you getting? Right. Right. All these kids are like asleep. They're drugged. So they carry them drugged up into the, all the way up to the border. This is, this is Biden era.

So they would drug all these kids to not make them interact with anybody that might ask them any questions, basically. They put an armband on them, and they had some sort of organized effort on the U.S. side to receive them and put them wherever they need to be. All of that was shady. All of that was really shady. I don't know. That's so horrific. I don't know what happens on this side. I don't know what happens on this side. I know that as an immigrant myself, I know that.

This administration, specifically in this part of its history and what's happening right now, there's a lot of stress and fear. I see the... I see the effects of it in different industries from agricultural to... to just this general anxiety that is felt across the country by people of my color skin that look Mexican or are Mexican, you know?

but I also am not blind to or not stupid enough to see and compare it to the past administration and some of the shit that went on there. That's the problem is that it's an overcorrection. The problem is... When you have an open border and you do know that cartel members are just freely going across and you do have human trafficking and you want to stop it, then you want to get everybody out that came in during the last four years. So now you have 20 million people.

you have to account for. And the problem is some of them are good people. Some of them are not gang members. Most of them are just people that wanted a better life. Most of them. But they have mandates now and mandates get creepy because then people become numbers. And if you say we got to get rid of X amount every day, then you just show up at Home Depot and you get some hardworking guy with a family who just wants to like.

do some roofing jobs. Yeah. You know? Dude selling flowers. Yeah. Lady selling fruit in cups. And then there's this pushback on amnesty. People have this crazy pushback, like if someone's been here for 20 years, they've been working on a farm, and they're good people, and they've established a family here.

Let's figure out a pathway to amnesty and then there's the hard right pushback to like fuck you You got here illegally get the fuck out. It's like those are jobs Americans could do it's like I mean Well, first of all my take on that is if you're using illegal labor at the bottom line, what you're doing is not paying people what they should be paid.

Illegal immigration is illegal because people want it to remain civil because they need that cheap labor. That's another addiction. Someone explain that to me. that he was having a conversation with this extremely wealthy guy who was upset at the crackdown on the border because they need illegal workers. It's a part of their business model because you don't have to pay them any benefit.

You don't have to pay them whatever the— They're off the books. Yeah, exactly. And they can't complain. If they do. Yeah, which is—that's not— good you shouldn't have that so they should find out first of all forget about whether or not someone's illegal or not like what are you paying them

You should have like a detailed record of how much everybody who works for you gets paid. And if there's a bunch of people that are working for you that aren't on record, what's going on? Why do you have this enormous corporation that relies on illegal labor? There are legal means of coming up to the U.S. and migrating as a worker. But it's hard. That's the problem. If you're poor, it's almost impossible. I have good friends that have immigrated to the United States.

have to prove that their job is something that can't be done by an American or that they're exceptional at their job? When I went through my immigration process, I had my wife, who I've known since I was 16, next to me and my daughter. And they didn't believe that our marriage was real. Jeez. So I did it legally and I had all of the things that I needed to have to have that.

immigration go through and it was the most difficult process that I've ever gone through and I can't imagine other people that have I don't know how about they don't speak English right how about they have no money But there are quotas for other countries. I remember when I got mine, there was a Nigerian dude that couldn't speak English. And he got it. And I got, like, we need more information. Wow. And that's another aspect of it, again.

Somebody brown in this country that is an immigrant. Meanwhile, it's the foundation of most cities. I mean, they're crazy. I'll just see that documentary a day without Mexicans. Yeah. The fucking whole country shuts down, especially L.A. I mean, the California fires and all the houses that were gotten, like people in construction, you go to some of these work sites. Todos hablan español. Yeah. You're like, ay, ¿qué onda? ¿Cómo estás? Yeah, exactly. And it's been wild seeing that.

And the effects it has had on just general, on the Mexican side is fear and anger and more anti-American feelings, you know? And also this new arrival of these Americans because... Think about this. And I have a friend that I sometimes help out in places like Tijuana, where recent deportees show up in Tijuana, and there's a lot of them right now.

Imagine you live in the U.S. from when you're two years old all the way to your 30s. And then they tell you. Right. And now you're in a shantytown in Tijuana. Crazy. That doesn't make any sense. That's immoral. Speaking the clearest English. Somehow they pay taxes for all this period. Look, I paid my taxes.

Some of them have careers. Some of them have families. That is the kind of shit that drives me nuts. That's insane. They should be grandfathered in. You should figure out a way. If someone came over here when they're two, stop. Yeah. Stop. The the amount of people getting kind of separated and also the the I mean, they're they're not. We have we have we have a situation right now where there's American.

homeless people in Tijuana asking for money. Whoa. Right? That's one thing. And we also have people that you think are American, but they're actually Mexicans who were recently deported who are living in very dire conditions. Hey, you want a job? I can't speak Spanish. Dude.

oh my god so so it's like this is a phenomenon happening across the border and on this side i didn't even think about people that can't speak spanish some of them can't speak spanish oh my god i met one i met a dude that again he i think he was Since he was two, he was brought across. And he found out that he didn't have any paperwork, I think, at 18 when he tried to do some sort of process. And they were like, wait, where's your...

Oh, my God. And he got caught up, I think, somewhere in L.A. And, you know, he sent down this this this this perception that it's all criminals. No. Well, they're saying it's all criminals because if you come here illegally, it's a crime. Okay, so it was a two-year-old criminal? Two-year-old hardened criminal in his diaper? Yeah. Come on. That's fucking insane. I think...

I think you're spot on when you say this is an overcorrection. Yes. I think that is a very true statement. It's also treating people like numbers. Yes. And not having the resources to look at each individual case. Not having enough manpower and people. And also, everybody loses their compassion. You just deal with it over and over and over again. You're like, enough. What's your story? That's not really your kid. That's not really your wife. You know?

Like people, they, you know, they get lied to enough that they lose their humanity. Yeah, I understand that aspect of it. It's horrible. But, you know, this is, this is, we're going to live with the consequences of this. And our kids are going to live with the consequences of this probably in the future. And when people look back at this. The national karma of it. Yeah. When people look back at this, you know, the United States leaving Afghanistan as it did.

It's guaranteed that it's going to be very hard for America to find friends internationally now, realistically. However it deals with Mexico in the next few years, it's going to define this nation. Whatever's happening right now, whatever deals are being done, whatever this administration is pointing at is going to define us. I mean, my kids are going to have to live with the results of this. Yeah.

There was mass deportations going on during the Obama administration, too. This is what a lot of people aren't aware of. They used to call him the deporter-in-chief. And this is one thing that just makes me nuts. Whenever I hear people up here, they want to vilify just one side, I guess. Yeah, you can't do that. That's a trap. Yeah. That's a trap. When Obama was, he deported.

A lot of people. I think it was somewhere around 3 million people. It was like this at the border. How many people did the Obama administration deport over the entire eight years? I think it was like 3 million people. Yeah. Why was he deporting so many people? Pressure. He probably had some sort of political pressure. I'm not sure. But the thing I point at is that within my same community.

They try and point at people in politics as like, no, but he's part of the Democratic Party. He's going to help us, you know, whatever government governor it is in whatever state. Yeah. But no, he was a part of the same party that supported Obama, and Obama was doing all this. 3,307,000. So what is that total on the left, Jamie?

Total apprehensions, and then the middle number you just read is the border, U.S.-Mexico border apprehensions. So those are just apprehensions, or what about deportations? And then removal. Total deportations is $5 million. Five million. That's not just Mexico. That's kind of the point it's making. Right. Five million. Bush administration, 10 million. Whoa. Clinton administration, 12.3. Wow.

How many has Trump deported? Let's find that out. Yeah, and the perception of the villainy, like... in the community it's all it's it's about pointing to those are the enemy these are our friends those are the enemies what they're doing exactly right here You know, people get so caught up in, you know, it's MAGA versus the Democrats. Like, you're being played. You're getting fucked no matter who's in office. The whole thing is a scam.

And it's these giant corporations are laughing in your face. The whole thing has nothing to do with you. You're just a little pawn. And they use TikTok too. Yeah, there's so much propaganda being going on online. In my mind, I always think about this first. I'm an immigrant. I'm new here. I'm trying to figure things out. I've seen more of the United States than most Americans. I think I'm missing Hawaii, Iowa, and Alaska.

But I've been every other place. I was in a room in Tennessee watching a bunch of dudes dance with poisonous snakes at one point. Oh, boy. You went to a snake handler place? Beautiful experience. Americans go down to Mexico and watch bullfights. And when I was there, I was like, I'm doing exactly the same shit you guys are doing. Shut up.

Yeah. I grew up around snakes. I used to hunt them and sell the skin to the boot makers and stuff like that. How did you get in contact with snake handlers? I do a lot of training across the country for police, government institutions. privately and I did a medical class out in Tennessee.

And somebody there's like, hey, Ed, we want to show you around. You want to go see a moonshine distillery? He's like, no. Like I said, hey, are there any of these types of churches around here? You know? He's like, yeah. Why would you want to go there? Because it's exotic to me. Yeah. I'd want to go there too. I'd want to see. Yeah. I can't tell you too much about them. They told me to keep it low key. But when I went there, they asked me, are you Christian? I was like, I'm Catholic.

So you're not Christian. Catholic is Christian. No, according to them, it's a satanic institution. Oh. But I said, okay, are you ready to accept the true words? Yeah. I want to see. Right. Baskets start kind of getting pulled out. Again, I grew up around snakes, so I know what a basket with a snake might kind of... There's something in there. I thought they were defanged in my mind. Those things were...

Definitely real poisonous snakes. I don't know if they give them something so they're like chill. No, they die all the time, those guys. Yeah. One got whacked recently. Yeah, but they were still like handling them. What?

They're just fucking proving their faith with these snakes. Well, if you're handling snakes all the time, they get accustomed to you handling them. Yeah. As long as you're feeding them. I don't know. I was like, oh, that's cool, but I don't have enough faith, I think. I think as long as you keep them fed.

and they don't feel like they're in danger, I don't think they're going to fuck you up. It's like when you encounter them in the wild, it's like they're just protecting themselves. They don't want to get you. Yeah. But there were some pictures around of some of the people that didn't have enough faith, I guess. Oh. They got whacked?

Yeah. Did they die or did they just like? I think they have pictures there of people that passed. Because some people don't die. You just get horrible necrosis around the wound. Yeah. where you need massive skin grafts and you lose, like, half your fucking muscle tissue in your leg. See if you can find that article about a guy recently, a snake handler, who got killed. I just found the Trump thing before I move on. Okay. His first term, he did half during...

During his first four years, he did 1.5 million deportations. That's about half of Obama's first term, which was 2.9. Wow. And about the same as Biden's term, which is 1.49 also. And what is he at now? I mean, they're only... Six months into the year. How crazy is it that Biden deported 1.49 million while letting in 20?

Like, what do you think they were doing? Was that a part of destabilization? I know there was also efforts to move people to specific states so that you can get a larger number for the census, so you get more congressional seats. This is a dark thing that people don't want to admit because they're a dyed-in-the-wool Democrat.

Listen, it is. Remember who to vote for. And then you just get dropped out. I had a conversation with my parents about it. They're like, no. I'm like, yes, it's about congressional seats. It's like the census counts illegals. And not only that. They're trying to make it so that those people can vote. And if you can make it so that those people could vote, then all of a sudden you ship these people to a place. You give them EBD cards. You get them on food stamps. You give them Medicaid money.

They have money. Yeah. And now... Who are you going to vote for? You're going to vote for the people who got you money. You're going to people who gave you the food stamps. Who are you going to vote for? You're going to vote for the people that shipped you to Springfield, Ohio. This is a good spot. And why do you think that is? Yes. Both congressional seats is one. Swing states. Swing states. Net population growth.

I think there's a little of that, too. There's population to collapse. There's a population. I mean, there's no immigrant crisis in China right now. Right. And I think they're on their way to probably collapsing if they go through this. downturn in their population. I think the U.S. is, at some point of its history, I think has been kind of close to that, I guess. Japan is in the middle of it. South Korea is experiencing it. And I ask because I...

I'm trying to find logic between deporting the Biden administration, doing that, and then opening the door in that way. for me it's always been interesting how a lot of these migrant caravans have a story or a narrative in their head all the way from where they where they're coming from up into the u.s so like

And Sean Ryan was here a while ago, and I think he mentioned that we actually went, I took him down to TJ, to one of these migrant caravans that was right on the border. And I told him, hey, Sean. You want to talk to some of these people? Sure. And he got a kick out of the fact that in the middle of this camp, there was a giant Biden flag flying.

But that wasn't the funniest thing. I'll see if I can send you the picture. All of the guys that we were interviewing, this was still COVID mask era. Some of them had Make America Great Again masks on. I have no idea who gave them those, but somebody with a sense of humor probably did. I have a picture of me and Sean Ryan with some of the people that we interviewed, and they have the Make America Great Again masks on. But they were told...

by the organizers that they had a clear path to the U.S. And all they needed to do was make a lot of noise on the border. make a lot of newsworthy events on the border, talk to all the press they could, and somebody there was keeping tabs, and then they could go. Wow. That was the mindset that a lot of them had, which is a weird one.

And then some of them would talk to us about the fact that they would get aid from the – like from Americans would come down and give them their camps, their tents. USAID. Yeah. And there was a lot of dollars being handed out. pay for things so it was all it was shady right now like I actually talked to 33 I think they were Honduran they just got they just got to the border Now their idea is to go to Europe.

They have this weird sense that somebody told them somewhere down there that Europe is taking immigrants. So they're trying to make their way to Mexico. So from Mexico, they want to go to Europe. They're not looking at the U.S. anymore, which is... A weird change in their narrative. You see the mass immigration in Europe is bananas. Yeah. Yeah. It's really crazy. Yeah. And again, I. But what is it about? Why would someone organize this? Why would someone fund this?

I don't know, destabilization, political means. Maybe the U.S. wants to avoid population decline. So this is one way they can backdoor it. There's probably many factors, right? The political... The destabilization is one, but just politically to get more congressional seats because of the way they use the census, which I think Trump is trying to change. Is he changing that? They said they weren't going to count illegals in the census anymore.

I haven't heard of that. Is that... I mean, what kind of... laws are involved could you do that with an executive order like I don't know how you would do that I don't know but so you have that and then you have the true need for labor that people don't which yeah which is I mean, again, I've been all over the country. And every time I go into a hotel in Oklahoma, buenos dias, buenos dias. I always do the buenos dias. Yeah. And I hope.

80% of the time, I'm like, Buenos Dias. What part of Mexico are you from? We had this cool conversation. Kitchens. Throughout New York City. Anthony Bourdain told me about that. He said all his best cooks were Mexico. From Puebla. Wow. I was in Vegas in this sushi restaurant, high-level sushi restaurant. Trump calls for a new U.S. census that excludes undocumented immigrants. Census has historically counted all residents, regardless of citizen status.

So you can't really do that. Congress has the power for the census, not the president. So he's changing something. So Congress would have to agree with him on something like that. Which I think politically there might be motivation to do that because you could game the system by an administration allowing not just mass immigration, but then. the moving of all these immigrants to all these areas where you wanted to take over.

which is crazy like using these people as political ploys and then they get a fresh start in america so it's kind of like a win-win you know they're eating the dogs they're eating the cats Whenever I travel, I always look at people in the service industry. I try to see where they're from, and it's always Mexican. A lot of them are Mexican. In different parts of the country, it's different, but mostly Mexicans. Minnesota.

There's a lot of not Mexicans there. Ethiopian. Yeah, a lot of Somalians. Somalians. I think there was one that was running for mayor there recently. Yeah, young fella. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Pretty radical. He looked exactly like somebody that appeared in a movie. Yeah. Where he was a captain for a moment. Yeah, exactly. That's all I'm going to say. It was pretty funny. Exactly. But independently of that, the...

The amount of cultures I'm experiencing across the country, it's like, wow, this is like the UN of countries. Everywhere I go, I meet people from...

All over the world. Well, that's the part of the beauty of America, really. The beauty of America is that it's a melting pot. That's supposed to be what's cool about it. But when it's sort of... weaponized in this way when people are using it for their political gain and bringing people in for political gain and then making a person like you go through crazy hoops and ladders and all this shit to try to get in here legally

You're like, oh, you're discouraging legal immigration in favor of illegal immigration, which is really easy. And I understand the part of the the part of the American populace that is like, we want to keep America America. Guess what? I want to keep America America. That's why I came up here. Yeah. Going to Kentucky and experiencing that America. Yeah. Cool. Listen, there's no more American people than Cuban Americans.

Those motherfuckers are hardcore, hardcore America. You know why? Because they know what the fuck communism looks like. This isn't just like some theoretical shit they teach you in college. Like their grandparents and their great-grandparents grew up a...

Impressed like they had to deal with that stuff. They escaped and they came over to America and they have no tolerance for any bullshit Well, well in Mexico right now there are things you can't say You know, there's laws that prohibit you from being violent verbally against a political figure if she's a female and you'll have to go on TV and like read out.

like a whole thing apologizing for your insults public humiliation basically is being legalized in mexico and mexico is going towards that side of things and but i'm up here and i'm seeing some of the things up here as well you know so like i don't i have this i have this vision of the u.s where it's like cool this is a place where i'm safe to pursue whatever happiness i think exists

I didn't find that happiness in my country where I'm from, where I came from, because this or this or this or that. Why do I want to bring some of that here, I guess, would be one of the ways I think about it. I don't want, hey, Texas is kind of boring. Let's bring in fucking militarized cartel members to roll around the city and pick up kids and shit like that and drain them into camps. Well, that's the big fear about Texas, having Californians come here. Don't California or Texas. Yeah.

You know, because they're like, man, California is just bullshit. We got to get out of here. This place, the laws are dumb. What made this place this place? Those fucking laws, dumbass. Yeah. Like constitutional carry. Cool. Cool. That's a cool thing keeps everybody super polite. Yeah Everybody super polite and also like hey, you know call the cops after you know, whatever mentality that is in Mexico airsoft guns are like on weird list that you can't buy.

site for a gun. If you want to buy a gun, you have to fly to Mexico City, which basically makes it prohibited to anybody that doesn't have any real means or money to get guns or training. So it's basically you're not you don't get the privilege to defend yourself in a country where you can't trust the cops. 90 percent of all murders are never solved. And look at all these fucking roving gangs rolling around with fucking capabilities of taking down helicopters.

they're cool but you can't have a 22 caliber pistol that's the mindset when i came up here i'm like oh cool this is like this is a place where that some of that is not the case But then a bunch of gun laws passed in California while I was going through my process and people started showing up to the gun range that I would go to train with like weird California compliant guns that you have to like.

weld the magazine to a certain place and stuff like that. And I was like, oh man, it's changing up here too. Just California. Yeah, just California. Just California. California is rough. Some of the things they did, like they made pistol companies make magazines with lower capacity. Because if you can't kill people with a 10-round magazine, like what?

How many lives does that save? Zero? Some of those laws are retarded. But that's it. It's just the illusion that they're doing something to combat drug violence or gang violence or gun violence. It's all illusions. Yeah. It's all like optics. But it is... I mean, when I get asked about my American experience, you know? I've been profiled. I've been racist shit has been sent to me. Where are you living these days? Texas. Houston. Beautiful Houston. It's the right amount of ghetto.

I love Houston. I love it. It's a little bit of Mexican there. Yeah. Houston is a big-ass melting pot. It's one of the best cities. Yeah. It really is. When I got there, and again, I lived in Kentucky for a bit, in California, and then there, I've experienced great profiling and racism in California, which is pretty funny to say, but that's where I experienced the most of it.

um uh i've experienced people opening their houses to me and like just being the best people on the planet i experienced that in texas and kentucky with some people who were just like cool as

I've experienced the best and the worst that the country has to offer, I think. And I can see in it, like, I get it. I get what America is. Like, dude, I finished high school, and then I went... to work for a paramilitary institution somewhere in new mexico and then i came up here and i have seven employees now a company

I've spoken to members of Congress. I've trained federal forces and people that I've read about in books on how to do things that I learned in this horrible country warfare that I had to go through.

There's no other place on the planet that would have provided me these opportunities for myself and for my daughter. There's no other place in the world. So, like, I definitely have fucking skin in the game when it comes to this country. It is disheartening that... with the way things are now like we're it like brown mexican immigrants of any kind legal or illegal are it right we are yeah it

In the sights of ICE. In the sights of any sort of authority figure that might want to see, like, wait, wait, what are you doing? Who are you? So that's, it's an anxiety. And again, it's, I've... talking to people from my community across the country it's it's it's a generalized anxiety of not feeling at home at home which is dark dark it's dark yeah it's dark yeah

Yeah, that's the problem with these fucking braids. It also makes the rest of us feel awful. Like people that aren't scared of it, you feel awful about like what America stands for. Like the idea that we would find it right to send some kid who was born here or born in Mexico but came over here when he was two. Can't speak Spanish at all. Some kid in L.A. That just doesn't have paperwork. And all of a sudden he's in Mexico. Yeah. Like that is fucking dark. That's crazy. And that makes.

Everybody else feel like oh, this isn't a good country then that's not a good thing to do. That's a bad thing That's an immoral thing to do. That's a thing that you do when you don't care and this is supposed to be the shining light of the world. Yeah, and Mind you, I talk to everybody. I'm an open conversation, open book with anybody. I don't see anybody as an enemy. I don't see anybody as an opponent. Dude, I've been through shit. I've been through hell and back.

So I've encountered situations where I've had to talk to immigration officials and, you know, and I'm like, hey, dude, what's it like? Like, what's it like being the villain right now? Like the amount of... A lot of these guys are getting doxxed. They're utilizing AI technology to take a picture of them and removing the mask. And it gives you a guesstimation of what their faces are like. There's people documenting their tattoos and then doxxing them online.

And I'm like, they are like, why do you ask that, Ed? Because we were vilified, too. And that's how they, you know, that's how they got to us. You know, they started making us into the enemy. There is. There was a lot of interest out there I can see at high levels to separate us and keep us fighting. Like at a cultural level, I think. More destabilization. So you think this is part of the plan.

I don't know if there's a plan or not. Hopefully. It kind of makes sense. Like the part of the whole agenda is to create even more conflict. Hopefully somebody has a plan. Hopefully somebody knows what the. they're doing somewhere but maybe not right if they don't man that's a dark thing that's what makes me wonder i wonder

I wonder if it really is a big plan or if it really is just fucking human chaos. If I found myself in a room with Illuminati people and I'm like, oh, these guys are smart. Whatever this is. If we're going to be cattle, at least somebody that knows their shit is going to be in charge. But I don't, I don't know. Like, uh, I don't know. Um, I see this, I see, I see the U S in people, people internationally see the U S declining, you know?

I got to experience the U.S. in the 80s, crossing the border and going to San Diego and going to SeaWorld with my parents and shopping and seeing the portions of everything bigger in the supermarkets. And then as an immigrant in the U.S. now, everything's smaller. And infrastructure is very dilapidated in certain parts of the country. And it's not the U.S. of the 80s. It's not the U.S. of the 90s. It's different.

So, yeah, I can see why people are screaming at the fact that, yeah, there's something has to be done. We're losing it as a country. But I think you're hitting on the nail on the head. We went through. Biden administration that was all about who was in charge is the question I have. Was that dude in charge? No. Somebody was. Yeah. Not only that, I think there was more than one of that dude.

You know, there's like fake Bidens. Yeah. And his son going online and doing an interview and just giving us giving us like a intimate view of his family conversations. Son sounds fun. He's a... Do I party with that guy problem? Well, not not anymore back then maybe I don't think he even parties anymore, but it's wild to think those and

Then people question why things are the way they are and why people are struggling in different parts of society in this country. I came here to work and to make a better life for myself and for my kid. And I somehow managed to be in a place where I have like employees and I have a company and I'm working. I'm doing work. It's the American dream. It is the American dream and it still exists. And I'm proof.

of it still being real but it is under attack from all sides from all sides yeah from all sides i'll say that three times yeah people need to realize that it's not just Right. There's definitely an interest to keep us all fighting. Yeah. And social media is a big part of that. Yeah. Yeah.

And that's literally how most people are getting their information and getting their narratives. And the same fight that is played on social media, statewide, stateside, is kind of like the same fight that is being... sold to us as far as Mexico versus the United States. We're not enemies. We shouldn't be enemies. We should be the best of friends. There are thousands of Americans living in Mexico now.

There's protests going on for gentrification in Mexico City from people being, locals being pushed off. Yeah. Go home, green goes, rain down the walls. Meanwhile, there's ice raids in L.A. And people are being roamed up and being deported. And that's happening all the while where people are like Mexicans are like sick of all these Americans living in all these cool parts of Mexico and gentrifying them, which is wild. I mean, are we into mass?

American deportations next from Mexico? Is that going to happen? In the past, you can just cross the border as an American and they wouldn't ask you for shit. Now they ask you for ID. Oh, really? Yes. A lot of Americans that live in places like Tijuana and then work in San Diego have encountered this, oh, things are changing. Like, where's your ID? They look Mexican. Yeah, well, where's your federal voter ID?

You're an American, right? And you just work in San Diego. Yeah. Go back. Really? Yeah, send them back. You have to pay for like a visa extension thing so you can... cross the border regularly or you can be in mexico for long periods but things are changing Again, these lines are being drawn on the ground. I don't think they're good for anybody. Free commerce at that border, San Diego and Tijuana are one in the same. From blood, family, commerce, they're one in the same.

Why draw a line there? Yeah, when I used to work in San Diego, when I used to stand up down there and, you know, if I hung out after the shows, I'd meet a bunch of people that came to the show from Mexico. Yeah, yeah. And I'd say, wow, you just... came over here for the show yeah drive drive across yeah drive across and there's again we're getting as both of our Mexico is poised to be a powerhouse economically if

We don't fuck it up with socialism. Oh, and why is that being pushed to more destabilization? But it is poised to be a powerhouse. You know, we have we have the youth. We have. Everything we need to just fucking explode. Resources, everything. But that's the same reason why we're being targeted so much for destabilization there. Wow. There's no... path forward i think to have a isolated united states with giant walls and guards on the walls and nobody crossing that wall

and Mexico next to it. I don't think that's... I wouldn't want to go there. No, there's always been this free flow back and forth. They just got to make it so the cartel members can't just... come across or or terrorists from other countries don't have an easy pathway um the flow of armaments going down to mexico oh yeah is one issue

The flow of drugs coming up from Mexico is another issue. The organized crime elements in Mexico doing horrific things to the local populace and to each other when they fight each other is an issue. but also the United States' historical foreign policy to Mexico and its responsibility for a lot of these things happening in Mexico is also key. What should the United States do about its responsibility in the past?

and some of its foreign policies in mexico that have led mexico to be where it is right now as far as violence i don't know i i don't i don't think A full-on military attack like Afghanistan or Iraq would be the answer because we see where that goes. It's not as easy as sending just drones down there and exploding a few dudes. Because we've also seen what that happens when you cut the head of one snake. You just abducted the head of the Sinaloa cartel and brought him to Texas.

And all that did, it didn't quell cartel violence in Mexico. It didn't end the scene of the law cartel. It just made a giant war. In the state of Sinaloa, and it divided up one cartel into two and probably made one of the biggest threats to the United States national security, as far as cartels go, bigger and more influential. That's what that did. Wow. And again, the path forward, I don't know. Both countries are linked through blood, genetics, culture.

There's a dude online saying that Mexican food is better in the U.S. than Mexico. He's nuts. He's just an idiot. That's hot nonsense. Stupid dude. You'll know who I'm talking about. Both countries are, again, I've been across this country. I traveled across it, and it is a great country. I love it. I love it. I love Mexico as well. It's my home country, and I travel when I can there as well.

I don't see a future without both of our countries just, like, figuring things out together. There's no—I don't see a future like that. Well said. Well said. We are going to need each other more than we think in the coming years. And open warfare between both countries is not. Fucking insane. It's not going to be, it's not going to lead to anything.

The United States doesn't have the manpower to stop the wave of migration that will come out of that country if you start fucking lobbing targeted strikes in certain parts of that country. There's no way. So if you want to talk about migration is your issue, you're going the wrong way. And also, at what point do some of these criminal organizations, as I said, become freedom fighters? Right.

And once they become freedom fighters, at what point do they start targeting Americans living down there? Right. And it's just not good. I wonder if they've thought it out. Like the U.S. government started out the way you're laying it out. I've spoken to members of Congress and I've spoken to members. I've been in Washington a few times and I've spoken to people that are in charge of things.

And they have notions, some of them, you know, but some of them are clearly, you know, they took that. They don't get that world. And if they're not like fully invested in finding out. And really diving deep and getting an understanding of it. How could they know what you know? Well, they're doing the right thing. I've been in rooms with people who were part of this conflict.

And they're asking the right people. But some of them are verifying like, oh, we were just in Mexico and we spoke to the local officials there and they told us that they're doing this now. And look at all those drugs that they just got. They're doing their job now. and i'm like dude i used to work for them and i could tell you that those boxes beneath those pills are probably empty and they're just there to like produce a visual weight yeah of it and also like that unit then that did that

that seizure. Yeah. They're on a payroll for this organization. And, and also the governor of this place where this seizure happened. Yeah. You just took her visa away because the husband is involved in fuel smuggling. So is this a win? Wow. Ed, you're freaking me out. I'm sorry. There are people that are trying to figure it out in the government.

There are people that are asking the right questions. I just, I don't know what they're doing. I don't know what's going to happen with the information, but a few things are clear. Everything is on the table as far as military options in Mexico and beyond in South America right now. There is an interest by the United States in some of that going on. That's clear.

And what that's going to look like, is it already happening with the abduction and subsequent arrest of Omaya Sambana on a plane in some pretty kind of weird circumstances? Do the United States is the United States already doing? Political counter operations against the regime that is ruling over Mexico in some way, shape or form. I don't know. There's a bunch of political exposés going on over Mexico right now with a bunch of documents.

members of their... very austere political party having lavish lifestyles outside of the country and they get photographed and that goes on the news and then the the president of mexico says the cia probably is taking all those pictures as a counter-operation to what they're doing Oh, boy. So I think whatever's happening, it's already in motion. My point is the cost of this is if it isn't done in a...

If it isn't done correctly, if it isn't done in a way where it's not taking into consideration the outcome or the fallout of something like abducting another giant head of a cartel down there or taking him out. And I think the biggest target out there is the head of the new generation cartel. I think that's if I could be a psychic right now. And I say the U.S. is going to plan some sort of direct action operation. I think that's going to be aimed at them. But, you know.

If the Americans have a vision that they're going to go somewhere and everybody's going to be wearing cartel member vest on. I don't think they're ready to go to somewhere and they have a bunch of police officers. with full uniforms or actually police officers there or members of the military. Then engage in a firefight with them and call backup from the military, and then now you're involved in a fight with the... With the army down there because they're all involved with the cartel

Some of them are. Again, we hear these stories of these people, who's training them, who's supplying them, who's showing them how to use those rocket launchers that they're getting from the Ukraine. You hear.

these stories and you're like just like that dude standing up there the cia was involved in drugs he was like ed you're fucking you're just talking out of your ass this conspiracy theory shit five years ago i said terrorist designation and direct action in mexico of a high against a high level cartel head and here we are yeah and maybe i may be on that side of conspiracies but

I've been pretty spot on. You've been pretty spot on. Ed, I appreciate you very much. I'm glad we did this. I've been following your work over the last five years, and you're always on it. So it's great to hear you lay all this stuff out. Tell everybody how they can find you online. Last time I was here, they deleted my Instagram account of over 500,000 followers. After the podcast? I posted something about Chinese people being welded into their homes during COVID.

And Instagram didn't like that. And they took down my account. Wow. So what is it now? It is Manifesto Radio Podcast. It's at Manifesto Radio Podcast on Instagram. and on youtube if you want to check me out um i have a small podcast i talk to just people related to this uh environment and i post pictures daily uh and a bunch of weird memes and stuff like that um it's basically an open blog of my travels i'm constantly traveling talking to people that are involved in this and uh

Just putting the word out there. I'm not up. I'm not in politics. I am not a reporter I'm not a cartel reporter. I am a dude that went through some shit. I'm still going through some shit I'm trying to figure things out as a new American And I want the best for both countries. That's who I am. Beautiful. Thank you. Appreciate you, brother. Thank you. All right. Bye, everybody.