#2304 - Gary Brecka

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan experience. Good to see you, my friend. Wow, that was fast. Good to see you too, brother. That's how I do it. We just get right into it. You got notes, dude. You're organized. You're a rare guest. I actually, you know what? I normally don't bring notes, but I was talking to Callie Means on the way over here. And, you know, we're...

We're really supporting Bobby Kennedy's whole Maha movement and trying to officially put a committee together to really give him some great talking points and then bring some of the big influencers together to help. you know, around the media. And I was like, what are some of the wins that we've had in the last week that I don't know about? And so he just rattled.

There's some wins. What are the wins? Well, I mean, you know, so Trump formed this strong kids commission. And if you remember when he first got into office, he actually by executive order. He authorized Bobby to... to do a study with Health and Human Services to look into the genesis of chronic disease. Because nobody's talking about it, the National Institute of Health or...

National Library of Medicine or in our public health policy. Nobody's talking about what's causing this pandemic. Gee, I wonder why they're not talking about it. Well, I could give you a couple of clues. Do you think money has anything to do with it? No. No way. You're a conspiracy theorist, dude. You're down the rabbit hole. That's my problem. You think that just because people get paid, they do things that are shady.

Yeah, I know. That's a weird thing to think. I should stop thinking that way. Yeah, I mean, we make $110 billion a year on type 2 diabetes. They're trying to put that out of business for sure, right? Yeah, they don't want that money. No, no, no. They're like, hey, Stan, how do we get this off the balance sheet, bro? How do we get rid of this? This is stinking up the place. So there's a business that relies on people being so disgusting that they get type 2 diabetes.

So bad with their diet, just eating pie and drinking soda to their body just starts to cave in. Yeah, but don't worry. That's worth how much a year? $110 billion. Type 2 diabetes alone. That's not a lot of money. That would change anybody's opinions on things. Well, I mean, a lot of people could live on it.

There's a lot of people that could live on that. Isn't that funny? A lot of people could live on what's killing other people. Yeah. Isn't that funny? Like a lot of people are buying yachts on what is killing people. Yeah, so the interesting thing is, you know, look at our food stamp program, which is, you know, the SNAP program. It's one of the biggest subsidies that we have in the government, $120 billion a year. $10 billion of that is going to subsidize soda.

Well, they need soda. It's an important part of the food pyramid, I think. Isn't it in there? It's right up there with Lucky Charms, right? Yeah, Lucky Charms is right above ground beef. Yep, and grass-fed steak. And then you get to the top and you got soda. So it's just phenomenal. And then the American Heart Association just... ironically comes out in favor of soda in the Snap Food program. We went over that and we found out that they're paid by Pepsi and by Coca-Cola.

Wow. It's just so dark. Yeah. It's so crazy. It is. The American Heart Association gets money from Coca-Cola. Yeah, you know, I checked into my Airbnb here in Austin, which, by the way, love Austin, man. I see why you came here. We covered it all on my podcast, so I won't go down that rabbit hole.

It truly is, man. People are amazing. Food is amazing. Went to this little restaurant called The Well, which I love, and they catered all my food. But there's like a serious wellness vibe here. A lot of healthy people. Yeah, a lot of healthy people. So I check into the Airbnb. And I go into the closet like the owner's closet wasn't locked. And I went into the owner's closet. Of course, it's like all Cheerios and cookies and crackers. And I pulled a couple of bottles of these seed oils out.

And I did a little post about it because I was like, look at all the heart healthy labels on. Right. And we talked about seed oils last time, but it's, you know, and I get attacked a lot for it for saying that these polyunsaturated fatty acids are bad for you. But a lot of times it's actually not the plant itself. It's the distance from the plant to the table. Can you explain, because you were explaining the other day to us the process that it takes to turn. oil, which is what canola oil, Joe.

They decided the rapeseed was problematic, so they changed the canola oil. I always thought it was corn oil. Corn's good for you. Corn oil must be great for you. Oh, we're using canola oil. Cool. Ah, peanuts. Please explain, though, the process. Because it's so vile. It's insane. So rapeseed, canola, is a plant. Essentially, you put it in a commercial press and it will come out gum.

And so to de-gum it, you use something called hexane. And hexane, if you go to National Institute of Health or National Library of Medicine, you'll see that that is a known neurotoxin. It's classified as a neurotoxin. Same as fluoride, right, which is actually fluorosilicic acid. We get to that later. But so we degum it with hexane. And then you take this degummed oil and you heat it to 405.

which turns it rancid. I mean, there's no mechanism on earth for temperatures to reach that much, especially plants to encounter this kind of temperature. So now it denatures, it turns rancid. So now you, it's putrefied and it smells. So now you have to deodorant. So we deodorize it with sodium hydroxide. So we de-gum it with a powerful neurotoxin. We heat it to 4 to 5 degrees and turn it rancid. And then we deodorize it with a very powerful...

carcinogen. And then in some cases, we bleach it and bottle it and put it on the shelf. You ever look at, go to the grocery store and you see the entire Grocery aisle, it's all these, like, Wesson oils or vegetable oils, but they're all exactly the same color. Like, exactly. They have that same beautiful clear hue. That's not how anything occurs. They look super healthy.

You know? No. Have you squeezed 10,000 watermelons into watermelon juice and put it all on the shelf? They would vary a little bit. They would vary a little bit. Yeah. But there's no variance. And so this is a chemically controlled process. And it's, you know, again, it's not back to the polyunsaturated fatty acids per se. It's the pro-inflammatory process that they cause in these foam cells.

The inflammation in our arterial wall, which actually calls cholesterol to the site of inflammation. And we blame cholesterol for a lot of the heart disease, atherosclerosis, arteriosclerosis, because it's at the scene of the crime. you know, rarely pulls the trigger. I mean, cholesterol is kind of like a fireman, right? It gets called to the fire to put the fire out. Right. And so the theory that if we had fewer firemen, we'd have less fire.

It's kind of absurd. That's the theory in LDL cholesterol. It might work in California. I could see them passing that legislation. You know what we need? We need less firemen. So the theory that if we push down the fireman, which was called to the site of inflammation, meaning we reduce the cholesterol, which was called to the site of inflammation to cause the repair, rather than ask what started the fire.

That notion is about to be, I think, blown out of the water by big data. I think you're going to see big data, artificial intelligence, and early detection in the next five years are just going to circumvent. This episode is brought to you by Squarespace. When it came time to make a website there was no question that we would power it with Squarespace. From the intuitive design intelligence that helps to create a bespoke digital identity to the seamless payment options.

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Do you think there's a possibility of removing food oils from the market? I don't think they will ever replace... I don't want food oils, excuse me, seed oils. I don't think they will ever replace seed oils. Why not? I think what's really interesting is... is the chemical processing. So another really good thing, and I'm helping to author this paper with Kelly Means and a bunch of other folks.

to present it to Bobby Kennedy in looking at the genesis of chronic disease. Because if you just, and I know lots of people have talked about this on your show, so I won't belabor the point, but if you look at the spending of $4.5 trillion a year, right, on health care. And then you say, well, what do we lead the world in? Well, as of December 6th, we were ranked 66th in the world in life expectancy. We lead the world in morbid obesity, type 2 diabetes.

multiple chronic disease in the single biome, meaning not just... Our population has multiple different chronic diseases, but multiple chronic diseases in the same body. Because most people don't just have one autoimmune disease or they're not just hypertensive and diabetic. They're hypertensive, diabetic, and hypothyroid with an autoimmune, usually multiple autoimmune. We lead the world in infant mortality, maternal mortality. And so you got to ask yourself, how's four and a half trillion?

Very often, it's actually not the food. It's the distance from the food to the table. So it's not necessarily the plant. It's what we're doing to process these plants to get them on the table. And so I think what you're going to see is these grass guidelines generally regarded as safe.

which is essentially how the FDA decides whether or not you can micropoison the population. So we are allowed to micropoison the population, right? We're allowed to put certain amounts of pesticides, herbicides, insects. preservatives. That is a great way of putting it, too. It's micropoisoning. Yeah. So that's really what's happening. It's exactly what's happening. And a lot of experts will say that dosage determines the poison.

And that's largely untrue when you talk about cumulative dose toxicity, meaning if I give you this sandwich and this piece of tuna fish and it has a very small, safe amount of... Right. But if you don't methylate that metal out of your body and you keep eating that same.

fish. I mean, nobody got mercury poisoning from a single piece of tuna fish. What they got mercury poisoning from was continuing to eat the same thing over and over and over and over again. And they got a cumulative dose toxicity, which is what a lot of foreign countries use.

So in other words, I can't just say if I put, you know, one drop of arsenic in this glass, is that going to kill you? It might make you mildly sick, cause an inflammatory process. Maybe it's not going to kill you. But if you drink one of those five times a day, seven days a week. Now you're toxic. And that's what's happened to our country. We didn't get here quickly. We got here by slowly stacking these micropoisons. Right. But is it possible to change all of whatever we use seed oil for?

Is it possible to swap that out for olive oil or beef tallow? Yes. I know there's some companies doing like Masa makes these great... tortilla chips. I love them also. Organic corn, tallow. Organic corn, grass-fed beef tallow. They taste like it, too. You feel like you're eating food. Yeah. We talked about those Vandries.

Yeah, Vandy. Vandy chips. I love those. I do, too. They're so good. It's just potatoes and beef tallow with a little salt. And it tastes like food. Like when I eat them, I don't feel like a piece of shit.

If I eat a bag of Doritos, I feel like a fucking loser. Even while I'm eating, I'm like, oh, you loser. Shut up. Shut up. These are delicious. You shame yourself. You're like, Joe, I'm so disappointed in you. But isn't it possible to just... replace those or would it require is it one of those things like there's an issue with factory farming everybody thinks factory farming is disgusting when it comes to animals it's it's vile what they do to chickens and pigs

But is it possible to give everyone cheeseburgers in food deserts without factory farming? Like, have we... Have we gotten so far ahead of ourselves that we don't have sustainable regenerative agriculture as an option? I don't think so at all. So you think that all the foods, all the... salad dressings and all the french fries and all the things that are cooked in food all we have enough beef tallow we have enough olive oil we have enough avocado oil

that we could switch all those things out and everything would be great. There is no question that we have the capacity to produce these, and we have the capacity to produce them now. I mean, a lot of these farms don't use... the bones from these cattle. They don't use the hide from these cattle. They don't boil on the collagen from these cattle, and they certainly are not making the tallow.

from the cattle that are being slaughtered. So there's a lot of tallow that's going to waste. A lot of tallow, a lot of bone broth, a lot of bones, a lot of cartilage. It's entirely going to waste. And if you look at a lot of countries, they will use the entire animal. They'll boil down the bones. They'll use the hide. They'll use the bone marrow. It's kind of crazy because there's a big market for bone broth.

There's a big market for beef tallow. Why wouldn't they? I mean, they're just wasting money. I think I think you have the perception that there's a big market for because you're kind of in the know. Right. You're probably in the I hate to use this term, but woke one. He's like, did he call me woke? It used to be cool. When I mean woke 1%, I mean... Well, you're using it the correct way, though.

African Americans used to use it. Black people used to call woke like, you're awake. I'm woke. You can't sneak that stupid shit by me. I'm woke. And then the fucking white people took it over and ruined it. Like a lot of things. Exactly. Did we fuck that up, too? Not us. Not us, but the ones with blue hair. Yeah, now it means a whole different body. Well, now it's essentially a pejorative. They can't even use it in a positive way.

You know, that's beaten down. But I like it because it's kind of like you can just be triggered about anything now, so it's so convenient. Yes. You know, because I can really silence you if you start out intellectualizing me. You're hurting my feelings. You're triggering me with information. I kid you not. I've never talked about this before. I'm probably going to lose half my audience. No. I went to Harvard University.

for this thing, this longevity summit. A very good friend of mine. I won't mention his name because then I'll give away the event that I was at. I called my wife on day two, and I was like, babe, I feel like I landed on Mars. I go, I've got to get out of here. And she goes, what is going on? I said, I listened to a panel of PhDs for four hours. about whether or not a microaggression... is something that could happen to you that you don't recognize.

that was causing a microtrauma that the other person didn't realize they were doing, but it was still... creating an unsafe environment. I think there should be mandatory jujitsu classes for those people. Mandatory jujitsu. My head was so twisted. Here's your microtrauma. Yeah, when they passed the microphone to me, I got so much trouble. I won't say his last name, but Daniel.

He's still mad at me right now because of this. They pass the microphone to me and they're like, you know, do you have anything to add to the conversation? I go, this sounds like... A bunch of people, this whole panel up here, you guys sound like you boarded a space.

And literally left Mother Earth because I have no idea what you're talking about. You are talking about trying to identify something that you, by its very nature, say you don't know if you have it or you don't. So let's just admit that it's a go. So how are we going to – we can't measure it. We can't find it. We can't prove you have it. We can't prove you don't have it.

so how are we going to treat it what's this culture of victimization and the monetization it's like there's a there's status in victimization You know, that's the thing. They've essentially... made it like a virtue to be a victim. So you're looking for... Little things that have possibly, I believe there was a microaggression. You know what? I think I felt it. Possibly rolled his eyes. Possibly rolled his eyes. I mean, that is going to haunt me. I need therapy now.

I think he might have rolled his eyes. And that's absolutely acceptable. That is a microaggression, like maybe rolling your eye. Like you say something to me and I go, okay. And then I leave. Oh my God, that was a microaggression. Yeah, yeah. What I just did going. Okay. But here's the microaggression is you're kind of off the hook because if you didn't intentionally create the microaggression.

I just perceived it as a question. Depends on who I am. If I'm a white, heterosexual, cis male, I got problems. Then you're screwed. So anyway, back to the food supply. We took a U-turn there for a second. What's really interesting... is if you just take a very 30,000-foot view and you say, let's just look at the... Broad strokes in the blue zone research, right? There's no continuity between diets in these blue zones. So it's not keto, paleo, pescetarian, vegan, vegetarian, raw food, Atkins.

It's whole food, just what you were just saying. Whole food and a lot of healthy lifestyle. Whole food, well, the two things that were non-interchangeable were sense of purpose and community and activity until later in life. So you didn't have any of the blue zones where people didn't feel a sense of purpose and community in life.

In fact, there were no such things as assisted care living facilities. You know, the assisted care in those countries is mom and dad move back in with the kids until the day that they die. And there's a lot to be said for that because... Maybe grandma's only purpose is to go out and get vegetables for dinner that night. But she has a purpose. And she's a part of the community. And she's not locked up in a home with a bunch of people who don't really care about her.

Yeah. You know, we knew something in the mortality space because I used to study mortality and mortality research. And we knew that if you wanted to cut somebody's life expectancy in half at any age, and I mean at any age, you put them in ice. So as soon as you create isolation...

you dramatically reduce, if not half, the life expectancy. Now, later in life, we would call this broken heart syndrome, caregiver syndrome. And these were actually very valid syndromes. So if we actually were doing the... The life expectancy on an elderly spouse who was still applying for insurance or we were looking at what's called a second to die claim on life insurance policy and one spouse had passed away, we would dramatically reduce the life expectancy of this.

And the reason why that's important is I think that people don't realize that we are actually being isolated in plain sight. I mean, we are trying to create connection through our phones. We're trying to create connection through social media. And these are not human connections. In fact, if you look at the rates of depression, suicide, suicidal ideation, obesity.

you know, chronic mental illness. And I think we actually have a chronic lack of mental fitness, not necessarily a mental illness crisis in this country. And if you look at the skyrocketing rates of these conditions and how they are creeping into younger and younger and younger generations, you've got nine-year-olds being treated for depression. All right. So what's happening? What's happening is isolation in plain sight.

You know, we don't problem solve anymore. We don't have communities with our friends anymore. We actually don't build social connections. We've lost our connection to Mother Nature. You know, that's why I like going out to my place in Colorado. It's probably like you like bow hunting. And just old school connection to Mother Nature. And how freaking good do you feel? Yeah, it's very, very good. I really wish I lived in...

I'm working on it, man. Would you say you're trying to get something outside of town? I think that's the move. Yeah, I think nature is a vitamin. I really do. I think it's a mental health vitamin. I think there's something about being in nature. There's a feeling you get, especially when your phone doesn't work, when you get out there and you look at your phone like zero bars. Oh, yeah. And you're out there in like real woods. It's just like.

You just feel better. Yeah. You just feel like more tuned in. You hear birds and branches snapping and things going on. Coyotes. And it's like. We have this place in Colorado. My wife and I, she's been going to for 35 years since she was a little, little girl. When we got together 10 years ago, she started bringing me and my family out there.

Her father's got 10 acres. Her uncle's got 10 acres. And then this 50 acre piece came on the market. So we bought it. We're building these old school, like really authentic log cabins. And I write about this all the time because in Miami, I have this really fancy place and I've got all this fancy equipment, you know, red light therapy beds, hyperbaric. But I'll go out to this Colorado home.

Put on a 20-pound rucksack. I know you do 150-pound rucksack, so I feel like a complete pussy. Most of the time I do 45. Okay. This episode is brought to you by Visible. Now you know I tend to go down a lot of rabbit holes. I want to know everything about everything. And if you're like that, you need wireless that can keep up. Visible is wireless that lets you live in the know. It's the ultimate wireless hack. You get unlimited data and hotspot.

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Well, I do farmer's carries. I do that, too. Yeah, farmer's carries. I actually like those. Well, that's what I mean by that. I think farmer's carries, like suitcase carries, are actually better. What, closer to you? One hand. Oh, one hand. Yeah, because then it makes you balance on the other side and then you swap it out to the other side.

Oh, okay. It's a stabilization thing. I've heard from a lot of people that it's actually better. Actually, that makes a lot of sense to me because you're not just load-bearing the spine. But farmer's carries are amazing too.

Yeah, and I do a lot of farmer's carries, but I'll put on this 20-pound rucksack, go out by myself, put a sidearm, you know, in my... you know vest and go and which is kind of funny i took a picture of myself in the woods the other day posted on social media and i had sidearm people Because I have a gun. Yeah, you don't want to get eaten by a mountain lion. It does happen. It probably won't happen. But guess what? If I have a gun...

It's not going to happen. I just feel, yeah, it's never going to happen if I have a gun. I did a fucking great video of a bow hunter who is being attacked by a mountain lion. And the mountain lion is like creeping up on him slowly. He's like, hey, get back, get back, get back. And you see the thing lock on him and start closing in. It's like 15 feet away. And then bang.

And then you see the thing twitch and it's got a hole in its face. He was a bowman. He shot it. Yeah, but he had a pistol on him. That's why he had a pistol on him. Yeah, it happens in Colorado. I mean, bear attacks. It fucking happens. Bear attacks are fairly rare in Colorado. It's only when you cross the...

Apparently, if you just come upon the Cubs and the mother, that's the issue. The real issue is not the bears that are in Colorado, though. The real issue is the bears in Wyoming and Montana. Brown. Brown bears are what you have to worry about. Black bears, not as much. But occasionally, like a big black bear will go after people. Yeah. But anyway, I take a sidearm and I'll march around in there. But when I'm done, I feel like I took a limb.

It's just something. I totally agree with you. Something out there. And I got this little squirrel. It's so funny. I mean, I leave my house and start climbing up in the woods. I have this little four-mile kind of track. And there's a squirrel. I don't know if he'll be there this year, but every year that I go out there, and he barks.

Right. And he kind of growls. It doesn't sound like a squirrel. Sounds like a little bark. And then he chews acorns off and grabs them with both hands and throws them down. It's so funny. And he'll follow me from limb to limb. I shit you not. And I look forward to seeing him every day.

I feel like he's pissed off. Maybe it's a sign of love. I don't know. It's definitely pissed off. He doesn't love you. Somebody probably hunted one of his family. People do hunt squirrels. They eat them. But in case, man, I feel amazing. But you're right. At some point, we have the capacity to replace these oils. We actually have a way to get back away from industrial farming and get... back to local farming. You know, there's a, I have a very good friend named Alfie.

And he owns one of the more profitable grocery stores in America. It's in Naples, Florida, called Seed to Table. And he took me out by helicopter one time, and we hopped around to a bunch of his organic fields. He's got thousands of acres in the middle of the state. And he showed me how he's not only able to grow produce. For less money than he would, organically, for less money than he would grow it if he had to use herbicides and pesticides and chemicals.

He's able to pick it at 9 o'clock in the morning and have it on the grocery store shelf by 2 o'clock in the afternoon. And I watched the whole process go down. Thousands and thousands of these. And, you know, white flies are the pest flies they're trying to avoid. Instead of spraying for these white flies, what they do is they just use this reflective cellophane. They run it down the rows of crops and it creates this reflection and it scatters them to the wood.

And so now the white flies are not eating the crops. There's no herbicide. There's no pesticide sprayed on these. There's no preservatives. His team picks this stuff by 9 o'clock in the morning. It goes into a processing center. And by processing, I mean it gets washed. That's it. And then it's on a truck and it's on the shelf by 2 o'clock. So you can grab a strawberry in this grocery store and eat it. And it was growing at night. And there are mechanisms for us to do that.

But most regenerative farming practices are not only green and good for the environment, they're economically feasible. They actually make economic sense. And, you know, when he talks about the fact that we've been spraying some of these fields. or so many years with these herbicides and insecticides, that there is not a pest for, in some cases, hundreds of miles. But we are still spraying for those pests. It's like you've got to start to question. Yeah. Probably financially.

And yeah, you know, it's we're talking about you said something earlier interesting that you think is. Not, what was the term that you used? It's not a mental health problem. It's a lack of mental strength. Mental fitness. Mental fitness. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, if you think about it. You got any of those hydrogens? Yeah, yeah. Come on, baby. Come on. I love these too. Yeah, explain what people what these are

Hydrogen gas, I mean, this is probably my favorite biohack in the world because it'll cost you about a dollar a day. These are called H2Tab. You can get them at drinkh2tab.com. You can actually read the science on it. I think there's two. People in the world now, I mean, those that have read the science and take hydrogen gas, drink hydrogen water and those that don't or just haven't read the science because. Hydrogen gas, first of all, it's the lightest element in the industry.

It's also the most prevalent element in the universe. 10% of your body weight is hydrogen. I think, in fact, if you took hydrogen, oxygen, carbon, and nitrogen, that's 96% of your mass. Okay, those four elements. So hydrogen is about 10% of your body. And hydrogen is not just an antioxidant. It's a selective. So if you look at oxidative stressors like nitric oxide or superoxide or hydrogen,

Okay, so all of these oxidative stressors, they can be good in certain amounts. You need a certain amount of nitric oxide, right, in your body, but too much nitric oxide is bad. Too much hydrogen peroxide, bad. Too much super... So if you were to take an antioxidant like vitamin C, and take very, very high doses of antioxidants. This can be very bad for you because you're suppressing too much oxidation in the body. You're actually suppressing these oxidative stressors too much.

hydrogen, on the other hand, uses the body's homeostatic process to suppress inflammation. So in other words, it works through something called the NRF2 pathway. It affects a protein called NRF2. which moves into the DNA, binds to the DNA, and then the DNA spits out the instructions for catalase, superoxide dismutase. and glutathione. So in other words, you're actually using the body's regulatory system to actually control inflammation instead of externally trying to control.

And the second thing it does is it targets the only oxidative free radical that I think all of the science points to, which is hydroxyl radical, having no use in the body. So it selectively targets that and regulates the rest of the inflammatory process by using the body's homeostasis. I guess a very long-winded way of saying that hydrogen gas can go anywhere in the body. It reduces inflammation, improves circulation, improves memory.

Really interesting study published on the Journal of Experimental Gerontology, and it was published in November of 2021. These clinical research studies, they'll look at younger populations, like healthier, younger populations. But this actually looked at a six-month study on hydrogen water versus non-hydrogen water in 70-year-old and older.

And they use something called TET2 to measure methylation. They measure cognitive function, sleep scores, sit-stand ratios, how well they're able to sit and stand, telomere lengths in their chromosomes. And the really fascinating thing about this study is it was done during COVID. So these seniors were basically in prison. So they were not mobile. And the only difference between the groups that they controlled for was the presence of hydrogen.

At the end of the six-month period during the lockdown, the non-control group had lost 11% in their telomeres. The non-control group had gained 4%. They had better short-term recall, better cognitive scores, better circulation, improving in cardiac markers, improving inflammatory markers like C-reactive protein. I think it's...

I think it's the greatest biohack on earth. That and, like, some sea salt and some amino acids, like a perfect amino. I mean, just covering your bases. I think those are your foundational basics for Optimal. And it's, like, delicious. It comes in good flavors and it's easy to drink. It's like a pain-free thing that you can do. You can bathe in it, too.

You can actually bathe in hydrogen gas. How many tabs do you put in the water? You can actually put what's called a hydrogen bomb, which just looks like a big bath bomb. It just creates hydrogen gas. It's elemental magnesium. What does it do for you when you bathe in it? It goes right transdermal. It goes right through the skin. So remember, hydrogen is the smallest, lightest element that we know of. So it will go right transdermal.

And these hydrogen gas will form in between water molecules. So a water molecule is H2O, but hydrogen gas can actually exist outside of the water molecule. And when you put excess hydrogen gas into the water, it will go right transdermal. And, you know, I have two of these baths at my house. I never talk about it like on social media. I'll talk about it now, but I have literally put people into these tubs. I'm kidding you not. Crippled with arthritis.

It's incredible. So transdermal reduction of inflammation in joints from these hydrogen. How long does it last? Or from a hydrogen bath. You can get these machines. I mean, one for your house is about $7,500, $8,000. They make some that make nanoparticles or nanobubbles, which are about 1 500th the diameter of a human pore. So if you run these things on your face, it'll actually push all the sebum out of your skin. It'll get rid of dandruff, psoriasis, eczema.

If you have any kind of inflammatory condition like knees, hips, shoulder, rotator cuff, arthritis, low back, bathing in hydrogen gas can be one of them. Really? Can you add it to a cold plunge? You can add it to a cold plunge. And what's interesting about adding it to a cold... In fact, I use this Cold Life cold plunge. And I've got these guys trying to see if we can incorporate the hydrogen gas into the coal.

So where the motor pulls the cold water out, it's going to send it into a hydrogen generator and then push it back into the tub because as the temperature drops in water, you can saturate more gas. So a 48-degree – quote me exactly on this – but a 48-degree cold plunge will hold about twice as much gas as 102 degrees.

You know, warm tub. So if you were like taking like a warm bath. Right. So you're going to be cold plunging for three to six minutes every day. Or, you know, that's what you and I do. You might as well be in there with hydrogen gas. And so I'm working with these guys from Gold Life to see if we can plumb these hydrogen generators. And basically it creates the hydrogen gas by taking distilled water and breaking distilled water apart.

and then throwing the gas into the water. And it is noticeably different when you bathe in this gas or not. Like I had Sean Ryan over to my house. for a podcast one time and you know he's all banged up from being a navy seal and he's got nips and bibbles all over his body He just thought it was really weird because I was like, dude, you got to get my bathtub. This episode is brought to you by MeUndies. Some things are complicated, the human mind, relationships, life.

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Enter the promo code ROGAN. That's MeUndies.com slash ROGAN. Code ROGAN for 20% off. MeUndies. Comfort from the outside in. He's talked about it before. Sean, big shout out, brother. But he was like... I just met you, man. And I was like, I go, no, it's okay. I'm not going to get in there with you. I'll sit on the chair outside the tub. He's like, that freaks me out a little bit. I'm going to be honest with you. I said, dude, I gave him a pair of shorts.

So, because I was like, does anything on your body hurt? Your knees, your hips, your shoulders, does anything hurt? And he's like, dude, fucking everything in my body. So I was like, get in there, man. And I put him in there for 25 minutes. He said it was the first time he had slept eight hours and woken up without pain.

Wow. Yeah. John Jones, same thing. You know, I mean, John Jones has been very public about when I, you know, working with me. I've been talking to him a little while, but right before his last fight. I brought him one of these hydrogen machines to bathe in, and we just set up the tub at his house. And we ran hydrogen gas into the tub. So we would do red light therapy. He would drink hydrogen water. And he would bathe in this hydrogen gas. And it was about 15 or 20 days after.

I kind of parachuted into his camp and set all this up that he texted me. He was like, holy shit, brother, I can't believe. I'm out of pain. I'm adding a six day to my training routine. I'm waking up, not in pain, you know, sleep and better. Um, So it's really incredible what hydrogen gas can do in the body. And don't take my word for it. I mean, there actually is a really interesting study published by Dr. LeBaron, Tyler LeBaron. He's a PhD. And I think his PhD is in...

So I should tease him about where his life went wrong that he got a Ph.D. in hydrogen. But where did you bang a laugh that you decided I'm going to get a Ph.D. in hydrogen? He published a study looking at electrolyzed alkaline water. And when they removed the hydrogen gas, all of the benefits of alkaline water would... So the benefits from alkaline water are coming from the excess presence of hydrogen gas. And even when you add.

hydrogen gas to regular water, it will drop the ORP. It will make the oxidative reduction potential negative. So it has more of a capacity to donate electricity. So I just think it's a phenomenal discovery, and it's dirt. When you were telling me that these bottles, water bottles that generate hydrogen, they're great in the beginning, but that over time they deteriorate. Would the same issue happen with the hydrogen generators that you would use for the cold plunges?

You know, they're a lot more robust. They're a commercial generator. So they're not actually working under pressure. So the water flows. So a lot of the ways that you create high part per million hydrogen gas in these water bottles. And I actually just want them about to. to put a press release out about it. I actually just won a $16 million. a fake hydrogen water bottle company that used my name. a bunch of ads and sold tens of millions of dollars in these bottles.

But essentially, at the bottom of these bottles, there's something called a proton exchange membrane. And this proton exchange membrane comes in contact with the water through electrolysis, and it creates the hydrogen gas. The problem with these bottles is that this electrolysis process, if you put tap water in there and use chlorine, can actually create chlorine.

You can also create something called hypochloric acid. So what happens is over time, the bottles that I tested, because I used to be a huge fan. And I would notice that it didn't bubble as much, you know, four or five months after I, you know, had the bottle. And so I sent it to be tested. And lo and behold. you know, these proton exchange membranes break down over time. So the first time you use the bottle, you're getting very high par per million hydrogen.

But four or five months later, you're getting almost none. Maybe six months later, you might be getting zero. Could you just swap out the membrane and continue to use the same bottle? Yeah, but they don't send you a new proton exchange membrane. Now, some of them you can screw off the bottom, and they theoretically could send it.

$250, $300. I mean, an H2 tablet, a hydrogen tablet will cost you a buck a day. Right. And it gives you more. And it gives you a higher part per million than almost all those bottles. And it's consistent. It's high. It's high-dose hydrogen gas that's exactly consistent. So every single time I put one of those.

tablets in the water. It's a consistent dose of hydrogen gas. And I used to get a lot of shit online because I was promoting these bottles so heavily because I believed in them tremendously. The average person is like out-of-pocket $250, $300. Right. So this is a lot more financially. Cost effective. Yeah. So with the cold plunge thing, you're saying so because it's a commercial unit, it would work differently and it'd be more robust? Well, it's not using pressure.

Okay. Right? So it's circulating through this machine and it's creating, you know, using electrolysis and creating the hydrogen gas going back into the tub because you don't need... You're not trying to drink a therapeutic dose. You're trying to bathe in a dose. You don't need as high par per million, so you don't need the pressure.

But the really cool thing is because if you do it in a cold plunge, and when I pull this off, I'll send you one. If you do it in a cold plunge, because, you know, as the temperature drops, the more you can dissolve more gas in that volume of liquid. Ideally, you would have the hydrogen generator outside of your coal plunge.

let your cold plunge run and fill with hydrogen gas, and then you're getting in there for the anti-inflammatory response anyway a lot of times, plus the brown fat activation and cold shock protein release and peripheral vasoconstriction and all of that. you would now be exposing yourself to very high...

of hydrogen gas, you'd feel amazing getting out of there. When I bathe in that hydrogen gas, so my wife, Sage, had a really bad car accident right before we met 10 years ago, and she severely... damaged her spine, her elephant bass one, and ended up having to have a spinal fusion. And so her L5S1 is fused. And even though she's thin, she's fit, she gets a lot of low back pain. And when her back pain flares up, there's no chance she sleeps.

But when we put her into that hydrogen nanobath, I mean, 25 minutes in there, she sleeps like a little baby. And it's very calming, too. It's that shifting you from that sympathetic state, that kind of fight or flight, to that parasympathetic state of rest and digest. You can feel the effects of that hydrogen gas when it goes transdermal and starts to relax you.

It feels good. Well, it seems like the more effective way is to do it in a warm tub, though, because you can stay in there for longer. So you'd get more exposure. So you would get less hydrogen but more exposure than the three-minute cold plunge? Yeah, I mean, this is where, you know, I like to see some data, which I don't have. So I do know that if the water is colder, you're going to dissolve more gas. So you're going to have a higher part per million in cold water than you are in warm water.

But then you got to look at what's happening in warm water. You're probably having your pores are dilated. You've got a little vasodilation. You probably have better surface circulation in your skin. So you might be actually carrying more. through the skin. I don't know. Versus when you're in a cold plunge, you're going to have that peripheral vasoconstriction. You're still going to get hydrogen through the skin because it's a higher dose.

But I don't have any clinical data to say that one is better than the other. Have you done the cold plunge hydrogen? Oh, yeah. A hundred percent. I mean, I did it with a bath bomb. I did it. I didn't do it with a bath bomb. I did it with the one in my house that actually have three of these machines. I did it with the one in my house that recirculates it. You throw a hose over one side, and it sucks the water out of your cold plunge, and then you...

throw a hose over the other side and puts the hydrogen gas back in. How long does the process take to hydrogenate? I let it run for like 15 or 20 minutes because I wanted it to be really saturated. And the water looks kind of milk. In fact, I did it. I had Laura Trump over for, we shot this Fox News. event for her show, for her Laura Trump show, and I did it for us to do this cold plunge shoot. I added the hydrogen gas to the cold plunge just before we got in there. It felt amazing getting out.

Now I'm trying to actually plummet right into the cold plunge so it's just in line. So it just runs either all the time or I can turn a valve and turn the hydrogen gas on and have the gas go into the cold plunge. So that's the next thing. But right now for people, you can just go get these hydrogen bath bombs. You can get these hydrogen bath bombs. Where would you get one of those? Drink H2Tab. Oh, so you have them? DrinkH2Tab.com. Okay.

All right. Yeah. If you go there and get the bath bomb. I mean, try it. I mean, just throw one of those bath bombs in there and feel how much different your body feels when you're bathing in hydrogen gas. It's incredible. I really feel like it is one of the best. hacks that so few people are using. I mean, so many people aren't anti-inflammatory. So many people are suffering from inflammation, not just neural inflammation in the brain.

but nonspecific markers of inflammation like C-reactive protein, homocysteine, that are causing all kinds of havoc. I mean, you think about the fact that about 70% of our circulation is not... done by our heart. Our heart circulates about 30% of the blood in our body, but the other 70% of the circulation... is an activity called vasomotor or vasomotor.

I think of a snake swallowing a mouse. And we don't really cater to this part of our circulatory system. Explain what you're saying, a snake swallowing a mouse? So think of a snake. So if the heart doesn't circulate... roughly 70% of the blood in our body. How is that circulation occurring? Because obviously blood is still moving. You have about 63,000 miles of blood vessel in your body.

And so your heart is not strong enough in a single contraction. Your left ventricle, your heart that's ejecting that blood, is not strong enough to push the blood through 63,000 miles of venom. So how does the majority of this circulation occur? Well, the majority of our circulation is microvascular. So the microvascular circulation does not move blood by pressure. It moves blood by something called vasomotion or vasomotion.

And the best way I can describe vasomotion or vasomotor is to think of a snake swallowing a mouse. And the reason why I say that is because there's no pressure coming in the front of the snake, right? It's not being pushed down the snake's throat. It's being muscularly moved down the snake's throat. So it's a wave-like motion. It's this wave-like motion called vasomotor or vasomotor.

And vascular laxity, the laxity that's in your vessels, matters. Your blood viscosity matters. And inflammation matters. This is why when you look at the percentage of high blood pressure diagnoses, for example, if you were to just Google what percentage of hypertension, primary hypertension, essential hypertension,

or, you know, high blood pressure, is idiopathic, right, of unknown origin. You'd see that 85% of all high blood pressure, hypertensive diagnosis, are idiopathic. We don't know the origin. And so we examine these people's heart, EKG, EEG, heart sounds, lung sounds, maybe a Dicontra study, maybe a CT angiogram, maybe some other kind of diagnostic heart imaging. We can't find anything wrong with the heart.

generally for a crime that's not committing, when there's an 85% chance it's actually something other than the heart. And we never look to the microvascular circulation. We never look to the 70% of our circulation that's actually not done by our heart. What are we doing to cater to that 70% of our circulation? Well, things like resveratrol, hydrogen gas, lowering our homocysteine, which is, for most people, is very simple to do. I use an amino acid called trimethylglycine.

to help people metabolize homocysteine because those microvasculature is very susceptible to high levels of homocysteine. And there's so many people that have ailments. that are consequences of poor circulation. And we're treating something completely different. So, for example... We're focused on concentration, lots of autoimmune conditions. If you look at the circulation in the brain, liver, lungs, pancreas, kidneys, you'll see that the majority of this circulation is microvascular.

You know, I've talked about why you and I both had a positive experience, for example, with red light. What is red light doing to our eyes? Is it fixing the rods, the macula, the cones, the retina? Was there something damaged that red light fixed? No, it just restored healthy vasomotor activity to the vacuum. which is why I never wear protection in a red light bed. Now, am I saying a red light bed is going to cure your eyesight? No. I get so beat up for that. But red light therapy.

is extraordinarily good for vasomotor circulation. Why do you think it improves your skin, the collagen, the elastin, the fibrin? Why do you think it reduces fine lines and wrinkles? Why does it improve? Why can it improve our eyesight? Because it restores healthy vasomotor. so much microvasculature in our body that we don't really cater to this entire segment of our circulatory system. Think about how small a capillary artery has to be to carry a fluid to the edge of the lung.

exchange a gas with the inside of the lung, pull that gas into the fluid and not bleed into the lung. So just think about how tiny that tube has to be and how many of them. You have to have, because don't forget, right outside of your lungs, you got fluid. Those alveoli are grabbing gas and throwing that into a fluid. Well, at some point, that pipe has to...

meet a piece of tissue. How is it not bleeding into that tissue? It is that small. It's microvascular. This is also where hydrogen gas comes from. So I don't know where I was going with that point, but I just find it fascinating that we've got so many things that we can do to cater to a lot of these ailments that people chalk up to a consequence of aging. And they can be as simple.

as catering to that portion of your circulatory system. It would be so fascinating to run a study, a long-term study on twins, identical twins, and have one person just eat the standard American diet and the other person follow all these protocols. Hydrogen gas, fitness.

healthy food no seed oil no drinking and just see yeah what do they look like after 10 years yeah or 20 years 20 years would be wild wild be like sending one of them the space you know and and it's so funny because you know We're so wrapped around our medical system that's really 50, 60 years old, 70 years old, and how important a randomized clinical trial is.

and placebo-controlled randomized clinical trial that's been peer-reviewed and all of this. But we negate the Eastern philosophies that very often have been around for thousands of years. I almost have more, lend more validity to something that's actually stood the test of time. Like something that doesn't work is not going to last a thousand. You know, by virtue of the fact that it doesn't work. When we were in the mortality space, we never used randomized clinical trials. We used big data.

And I think what you're about to see now that I was alluding to before is we built an entire system on. you know, the most rigorous scientific study being the randomized clinical, you know, placebo-controlled randomized clinical trial. So that is the gold standard. And if it hasn't been through this process, it is not valid. Well, we've never done randomized clinical trials on parachute. I wouldn't jump out of an airplane without one. Who wants to be in that?

Who wants to be in the control group? Okay, Stan. Yeah. You line up here, you're getting a knapsack and a prayer book, and we're getting a parachute. That's a very good point. It's a very good point. There's some things you really can't run randomized controlled studies on. Yeah, I mean, sometimes we just have data. We have really good data. And one of the things I used to get just absolutely slaughtered for was I spoke out about...

The simple LDL hypothesis of cholesterol saying that there is no correlation between elevated levels of LDL cholesterol on its own and cardiovascular disease. You had to have corresponding increases in triglyceride. You had to have inflammatory factors. You usually had to have other metabolic factors like hypertriglyceridemia, hyperinsulinemia. And yet everybody, you know, would really come after me for that. And now we're starting to see that the data on statins is really falling apart.

I mean, big data is starting to tell us that. The extension of life is near zero, but the extension of all-cause mortality is near zero. And then the... complications downstream, which we never study. I mean, you'll never find a randomized clinical trial looking at more than one pharmaceutical compound in the same bio. Yet almost everybody at the age of 60 is on five or more prescriptions. But we don't study prescriptions in...

in concert with one another. We study them independently. We say, okay, if you have high cholesterol, you're on a staff. Okay, that's independent. If you have, you know, your hemoglobin A1c is over 6.4, you're now insulin dependent. Okay, so now you're on insulin. You've been a little sad lately, so now you're on an SSRI. And your thyroid is hypofunction, so now you're also on a synthroid or levothyroxine or armothyroid. And, you know, your blood's gotten a little thick because you're...

on hormone therapy, so now you are on a blood thinner. We've never studied... compounding effect of all of these different pharmaceuticals in the same biome. We just assume that the randomized clinical trial in these independent silos is valid. Even though we're going to smack all of these things together. One of the things that we learned in the mortality space was the more pharmaceuticals you were on, the easier it was for us to predict your life expectancy.

It was extraordinarily accurate, for example, if somebody started a corticosteroid, which is very common for rheumatoid arthritis and other forms of joint pain and whatnot. If you started a corticosteroid... You had, by our data, six years and one day until you were getting a joint replacement. Jesus. Six years and one day. That's the average? That was the average. So let's say, for example, that... Why is that?

Because initially, corticosteroids are anti-inflammatory, but then they eat the joint like a term. Oh, God. And we knew this in professional sports, and a lot of careers were ended early from cortisone injections. A lot of athletes had their careers actually end early because they got too many cortisone injections. How many is too many?

You know, it sort of depends on the joint and the location. One of them can be beneficial? One of them can be very beneficial. In the acute phase of pain or injury, they can be very beneficial. But what they used to do is because these were repetitive use injuries and... You know, very often they would just dose the athlete up before a game. So, I mean, Joe Theismann. I mean, not Joe Theismann. Joe Montana. You know, he's one of those careers that entered early very likely because of cortisone.

And you keep injecting the same ligamentous tissue with cortisone, eventually you will weaken that tissue and it will snap. You know, first it has an anti-inflammatory. reaction, but then it starts to break down the cartilage like a termite. In fact, it was so accurate that very often what would happen is people would get misdiagnosed. with conditions like rheumatoid because they had the same symptomology.

as a rheumatoid, but what they actually had was a long-term clinical deficiency in vitamin D3. And you would see that they would have single-digit vitamin D3. For decades. And then all of a sudden, they would start to present with symptoms that mimicked rheumatoid. They would say, hey, doc, you know, my soles of my feet and ankles are sore when I got out of bed in the morning to go take my first pee.

I feel like I had a workout the night before when I haven't. You know, my low back hurts. My knees and hips and shoulders are stiff. Now it's spread to my upper back. And lately it's kind of hard to make a really tight fist. If you give those symptoms to the wrong primary care doctor.

Maybe without doing any confirming diagnosis, without SED rates, without RA factors, they go, you know what, Joe, you've got rheumatoid arthritis. But don't worry, I'm going to put you on something called a corticosteroid. You're going to take this pill every morning. You're going to be fine, methotrexate, whatever it is. And initially, you feel great.

Because it kills the inflammation. But then it starts to erode the cartilaginous surface. So if you think about the fact that you had a nutrient deficiency, that you're now being treated with a pharmaceutical. And six years and one day later. Now, by the way, the methotrexate, for example, will give you a gene mutation. It will mimic a gene mutation called MTHF. Oh, that one. That one. The motherfucker gene. The motherfucker gene. Yeah, the motherfucker gene. So even if you don't have MTHF.

Let's try one of those. Yeah, I might as well try it. Even if you don't have MTHFR, if you take methotrexate, you inhibit your folate metabolism. Cheers, bro. No hydrogen gas, no coffee. I actually saw you sniffing something on one of your podcasts. D.O. Vaughn. What was that? I don't want to do it, by the way. You can do it. No, no, no, no, no. I brought it up the wrong time. Give me a freshie. I'm not doing it.

I just see all this shit over here. Oh, this is a fresh one. So this one hasn't been opened yet. What is that? This is, uh, do you know who Juju Mufu is? Crazy. Juju Mufu? Yeah, super crazy. Well, he's an influencer, but he's, like, very impressive.

Like super jacked. Dude, if you've got to name like Juju Mufu, you've got to be able to beat ass. Incredibly flexible. This is the guy. Oh, yeah. He's a freak. Like a real freak. I mean, for sure he's not natural. There's not a fucking chance in hell. But he makes this stuff. We have no affiliation with him. We buy it. So people are like, oh, you making money off that, bro? No. No, I'm not making money off that. Dude, I'm scared, dude. I saw Theo Vaughn almost like.

Brian Simpson took his headphones off and ran out of the room. No, dude, I'm not getting anywhere near that. No. This is a good one. I'm going to sniff it with the top. Just the bag. And it's sealed. Give me the bag. I'll do the bag. Just take a sniff of the bag. Oh, my God, dude. That's nothing. That's nothing.

That's just the bag that the smelling salts have been sitting in. Oh, my God. So what powerlifters do is they take a sniff of this shit right before they lift weights. You ready? Here we go. No. Zero chance. Woo! Oh, Lordy. Dude, there is zero chance of doing that. Get on in, bro. Come on, reach for it. Peer pressure. Get it about six inches from the nose. Take a haul. It's good for you.

I can't guarantee it's good work. No, no, no, that was nothing. Oh, you're such a baby. Come on, you're a biohacker. You're a real man. Get in there. Take a sniff. Yeah, I'm a real man. I don't do this shit. Get in there, bro. Get in there. One, two, three, go. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about.

Let's go. And that was a freshie. The fresh ones are the really hard ones. We have these in the green room at the comedy club. People get addicted. They're all taking sniffs before they go on stage. I think I lost sight in my left eye. Yeah, it'll come back better. Come back stronger. I have no data to support that, by the way. Now I'm going to go down the rabbit hole of that. You're going to want another one in about five minutes. About five minutes. Give me round two.

Where were we, dude? We were actually something important. I did want to ask you about... before I forget. Where did the narrative come from that there's good cholesterol and bad cholesterol and that HDL is good, LDL is bad, you want to lower your LDL and you want to take a statin? Where did all this come from? So, you know, high-density lipoprotein and low-density lipoprotein, you know, the HDL, the high-density lipoprotein is generally considered the good.

cholesterol and the LDL, the low density or VLDL, very low density lipoprotein are considered the bad cholesterol because they're softer, right? But what What we know now is that the size of the cholesterol molecule matters a lot. In other words, the smaller the particulate size of cholesterol, the easier it is to cross into the arterial wall.

It gets eaten by macrophage, and it forms something called a foam cell, which is essentially this foam cell process of oxidized cholesterol is what is the genesis of narrowing of the arm. But again, we have to remember that cholesterol is called to the site of it. So if you had two people, one with cholesterol of 100 and LDL cholesterol and another one with cholesterol of 129.

Does the person with 129 have a higher incidence of cardiovascular disease? No. Does the person of 129 have a greater risk of... a cardiovascular event? No, just because they have elevated LDL cholesterol. Now, if you start to look at other markers like C-reactive protein, which is a great marker for cardiovascular risk, if you look at triglyceride cholesterol ratio, because remember...

fat, triglyceride, is largely transported around the body on the surface of cholesterol. So if cholesterol was a tennis ball, the fuzzy yellow surface would be a fat triglyceride. And if you remember from high school geometry, as the size of a sphere gets smaller, its surface area to volume ratio goes... So what that means is if I had two basketball, dude, I can still, that thing is, I got to steal this thing, dude. It's like, I'm going to go blind in my left eye.

I try to be smart and I can't see out of my left eye. What is it? That's a good question. Ah, it's no joke, man. I remember my clinic when Dr. Sarda used to tape these things to the wall because she would do...

She would do these shoulder injections on people and they would get woozy and she would just crack one of those smelling salts and they'd come right back. They used to use them for boxers when they got knocked out. When they got rocked and they'd get into the corner, they'd give them smelling salts and wake right up. Wow. Not really.

So let's say you had two basketballs of cholesterol. This is an oversimplified version for the audience, but you have two basketballs of cholesterol and they're covered in fat. Okay. A triglyceride. And let's say I add more triglyceride to the blood. Which happens when you eat high sugar, high glycemic carbohydrate. Why? Because part of insulin's role is to block forms of energy metabolism that would allow you to burn fat.

Or at least slow those pathways down. So essentially you have two basketballs of cholesterol. And now I want to add more fat to the table. Those two basketballs become four softballs. If I add more triglyceride to the table, they become eight. If I had more triglyceride, they'd become 16 golf balls. And if I continue to raise triglyceride, they'll become 32 little babies.

So the point is, the amount of cholesterol stayed stable. The amount of triglyceride went up. As the amount of triglyceride went up, the size of the cholesterol... So the two basketballs and the 32 BBs are the same volume of cholesterol, same nanogram per deciliter of cholesterol, just vastly different. Those 32 BBs, very different.

Those two basketballs, very little danger. One is actually a marker for longevity. One is a marker for cardiovascular disease. And it is the same amount of cholesterol. So different sizes. I got my blood drawn a couple years ago, and the doctor asked me if I was on cholesterol. He said, your cholesterol is really low. He goes, are you on medication? I said, no. But I eat mostly meat. Yeah. triglycerides would usually go down. Your LDL cholesterol will go up if you're on a ketogenic diet. Dr.

I think it's Nadir Singh is his name. He's a cardiologist. Did an unbelievable YouTube video on this. I actually did a podcast with Dr. Asim Malhotra. who is a cardiologist. Has he been here too? Yeah. Unbelievable. Love that guy. Shout out to Asim. He's an incredible, incredible guy. And Asim would tell you the same thing, that he fought the British Medical Journal.

Got publications that he was trying to have published, you know, pulled because he was fighting the narrative on statins, one of the biggest drugs in the world. We knew in the mortality space that... The centenarians that we were processing death claims. I don't recall a time during my career when we had... a death claim on a centenarian, somebody over the age of 100.

that did not have elevated levels of LDL cholesterol at the time of their death, because very often these people would die either in hospitals or assisted care living facilities, and we'd process the death claim. And in order to get the death claim processed, you'd have to know, you know, day, date, time, location, cause of death. And we'd have to get a death certificate.

And these people were dying with elevated levels of LDL cholesterol, which you would think, well, wouldn't they have died a lot younger of cardiovascular disease? And now the data is starting to come out. these other metabolic issues like hyperinsulinemia, you know, hypertriglyceridemia, high blood sugar, that these...

that precede cholesterol attaching to the arterial wall. And so when we talk about metabolic health, we really... shouldn't just isolate LDL cholesterol we should be looking at our blood pressure you know our our abdominal obesity, our sugars mainly, whether or not, you know, what our fasting blood glucose is, what the three-month average of our blood sugar is, our hemoglobin A1c, making sure that's below preferably 5.4.

Looking at our insulin because insulin resistance develops a long time before a lot of these things show up. And looking at other inflammatory markers like C-reactive protein and just generalized markers of inflammation. Because most people are eating a very pro-inflammatory diet.

And this is why you can't isolate one thing and say seed oils are what's killing Americans. Vaccines are what's killing Americans. Aluminum vaccines or fluoride in drinking water. It's the cumulative dose toxicity of all of them. You know, our water is toxic and we have fluoride, we have chlorines, we have PFAs, polyfluoroalkyls, we have microplastics, we have bisphenols. You know, I actually did a test on myself and my entire family.

And it's a blood and urine test, and essentially it tells you whether you've got mold, mycotoxins, heavy metals, all of these different things. The amount of BPAs in my blood, and I am... I would consider myself pretty on top of mind. diet game, the amount of BPAs, there were traces of jet fuel, there were aflatoxins. Jet fuel? There were traces of jet fuel. From all you're flying? Like accelerants, like aerosol.

Maybe from flying. I fly a lot. My daughter had it in her blood, too, and so did my wife. And then we all had very similar species of mold, which we got rid of. It felt a lot better. And it was in your home? It was actually in my daughter's apartment. We actually ended up having our doctor write a letter and break her lease, and we moved her into an apartment right next to us. But she was starting to have, and she's a nerd.

And she was starting to have these strange symptoms, just brain fog. Her joints were... just killing her in the morning. By the end of the day, her ankles were swollen. Her mood started to collapse, like the peaks and valleys of her mood kind of went away.

She, and she was, you know, I was bringing her over to the house and obviously as a biohacker, I'm trying to solve everything. So I was like, we got to do this vibrant wellness test medicine. We got to figure out what's going on. And then boom, the mold just jumped off. Our youngest daughter, too, is suffering from recurrent. sore throats. And you know that viruses and, I mean, bacteria and... Mortal enemies for years. I mean think penicillin and bacteria, right?

And so we live in the mold capital of the world, and very often when you get mold toxicity, it's not just a constant infection. It has a latent phase, a dormant phase, and then a sporulating phase. And so these mold infections, which a lot of doctors will tell you are complete nonsense.

are absolutely valid. I mean, there are people that right now that have... severe brain fog, they have joint pain, they have really poor focus and concentration and short-term memory issues, they've got hormone imbalance, they've got water retention, and they got swollen ankles. And they cannot really figure it out. And they'll do a standard blood test and you don't see this.

test and when you do something like a vibrant you look at these this mold toxicity get rid of it in the you see the entire blood you know, comes back into optimal ranges and they feel amazing. Just like my daughter, we did EBO2, we did sauna, we did gut binders, activated charcoal binders, high-dose glutathione. And over the next few weeks, we slowly walk.

you know, this mold right out of her system. But people suffer from this all the time. In fact, I've been deep down the rabbit hole of a lot of the foundations of these autoimmune diseases. because in my previous clinic, We had 150, 160,000 patients come through our clinic system. And nearly everyone that we saw that had an autoimmune disease. was told by their doctor, you just woke up one day and your immune system went hay.

So you have Crohn's disease because one day you woke up and your immune system is manufacturing antibodies to your colon. Or you have hypothyroid because you woke up one morning and... Your immune system is manufacturing antibodies to your thyroid. So yeah, now you have Hashimoto's or the lacromal gland in your eye and you have chagrins or your blood, you have lupus.

And we immediately just assume that God made a mistake, that the immune system is malfunctioning. Instead of taking a step back and saying, you know, what if actually the immune system is acting properly? What if... God didn't make a mistake. What if it's attacking the colon for a reason? We just have to figure it out. And if you just eliminated four things, mold mycotoxin, heavy metals, viruses, and parasites, just those four categories.

I believe you would get to the majority of the genesis of autoimmune diseases. So, you know, some of these autopsy studies on multiple sclerosis, for example, were 100% positive for certain colonies of helmet. Helminths? Helminths, which are parasites. And these helminth colonies or the larvae from these were actually in the myelin sheath of 10 of 10 autopsies that they did on multiple sclerosis patients. I'm not by any means saying that everybody that has multiple sclerosis.

has parasitic infection. There are healthy parasites. There's categories of helminths that are very, very healthy. And some of the underdeveloped countries in the world where actually they have... these healthy parasites which we've wiped out for the large part here they don't get multiple sclerosis or they have very very low incidence of multiple sclerosis and one of the theories is that because we have

We have disrupted the balance of not only bacteria, but parasites in our gut, specifically TSO parasites, which are healthy parasites. that the pathogenic parasites proliferate and their larvae burrow into the myelin sheath and they're part of the genesis of multiple sclerosis. My whole point in saying that is if you take any pathogen, let's just take this one right here.

It looks like a Donald Trump coin. So I don't know if the audience could see this, but let's say this was a mold spore or mycotoxin or this was a heavy metal or even a virus. And this was a healthy cell. You see that they don't hide like this, right? Metals, mycotoxins, mold, you know, viruses, even in some cases parasites, they don't hide outside of the cell like this. They hide like this. I mean, but when a virus, when the nucleocapsid protein of a virus attaches to a cell and injects its DNA.

That's the way that it takes over that cell. It's kind of like being bitten by the zombie, right? I mean, a virus is not a living thing. It's an envelope that's wrapped around DNA. But when that envelope attaches to the cell wall and it squirts the DNA inside, now the virus has taken over the host cell, right? So it's inside the cell. But the point is that... The immune system is not after this. It's not after the cell. It's after this.

It has to kick down this wall. It has to break through this cell wall. And very often, in order to do that, it needs to manufacture an antibody to this cell. If you look, for example, for Hashimoto's, which a lot of people have. These people have Hashimoto's and they're told, okay, well, you woke up one day and your immune system decided to attack the...

thyroid. You're manufacturing antibodies to your thyroid. And so, well, why is it attacking my thyroid? Well, we don't know. Let's look at your family history. Oh, your mom's sister had it and your dad's brother. Oh, you have familial Hashimoto's. Even though there is no gene.

for Hashimoto's so you couldn't have inherited it from your ancestor because it now runs in your family you're told that you have a genetically inherited disease and now you have to subscribe to a lifetime of medication instead of taking a step back and saying Well, what would have called my immune system to that side? Look at the incidence of heavy metal toxicity, mercury poisoning in Hashimoto's. Look at the amount of lead and mercury poisoning in Hashimoto's because the...

Thyroid has an affinity for heavy metals, and very often when they retreat into the thyroid, the immune system will chase them. And look at the genesis of a lot of Crohn's disease. I mean, a lot of Crohn's disease has to do with the disruption of the single cell layer in your gut that allows bacteria and other pathogenic contents that should stay inside.

The luminal wall of your gut, they leak out and they're in an area that they don't belong and the immune system is attacking them there. And then we want to hold the immune system responsible for the crime and say, hey, we're going to arrest the police officer. what this criminal did. Those contents are in areas of the body where they don't belong.

We're going to put you on an immunosuppressant or we're going to put you on an anti-inflammatory. And we're actually going to stop the immune system from protecting you. Instead of saying... What contents could be leaking from my gut that are causing the immune system to light up? And you could just keep going through lots of autoimmune.

you know, multiple sclerosis, a lot of these conditions. But mold, mycotoxins, metals, parasites. I mean, if I was ever told that I had an autoimmune disease, I would not accept it until I'd done that. kinds of tests interesting so back to the narrative of hdl and ldl how did it get formed that ldl is the bad

Because the majority of people that had high LDL cholesterol also had high other factors going on in their body. And just like a lot of these randomized clinical trials, we look at things in isolation. We study one thing in isolation. One of the worst things we do, in my opinion, in modern science is study human anatomy or human physiology or biochemistry. So we say we're going to take a cell out of the body. We're going to put it in the left.

And then we're going to assume that when I put that cell back into the body, it's going to behave the same way. And so we didn't solve for all of these other factors. Well, what was the person's...

insulin level? What was their fasting glucose? What was their hemoglobin A1c? What were their other inflammatory markers like C-reactive protein, creatine phosphokinase? What were the other lifestyle factors that were going on? And what you'll find is it... correlation between high levels of cholesterol and people that have cardiovascular disease, but not because of the cholesterol, because of all of the diet and lifestyle risk factors that go around it.

But we can build a multi-billion dollar, in fact, a trillion dollar industry by just lowering this one bio. And when we lower this biomarker, if that biomarker were directly linked to all-cause mortality, if it were directly linked to the incidence... of cardiovascular disease, then we would see in the population where we lowered this biomarker, we would see an extension of mortality.

Right? Because we said this biomarker was high, LDL. So if we lower it with statin, then we're going to see an extension in mortality. And lo and behold, we see no extension in mortality. So how does it continue to be used? Because it's continued to be marketed that way. You have to understand that there's a box that is called the standard of care. And I don't subscribe to the fact that physicians are trying to harm you. In fact, I have the deepest respect.

people that are licensed to practice medicine, because I'm not one of them. And, you know, they go through a schooling to learn to practice within something called the standard of... If you're outside of the standard of care, your malpractice is at risk, your reimbursement is at risk, your career is at risk. So you may very well be doing something that is in your...

scope of practice, but it is outside the standard of care. So most physicians will migrate back into the standard of care. So even if you go around to a bunch of allopathic doctors and get multiple opinions, they'll all be within this box.

When you jump outside of that box, you've got to be talking to somebody who's willing to say, okay, you probably have to pay me cash. You probably have put my malpractice at risk. I don't have malpractice coverage for this type of treatment. Not because they're breaking the law. It's just like when physicians started to prescribe ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine for COVID when it wasn't the standard of care, even though there were millions and millions and millions of scripts written for.

These pharmaceuticals that were proven to be extraordinarily safe. I mean, our doctor used to have to write it for joint pain during COVID. So she wouldn't potentially risk her life. So what happens is you develop a herd mentality because the system for reimbursement, how they get paid, the system for coverage, how they get malpractice coverage, and the system for their career is all dependent on things being inside of a service.

And the standard of care for someone with elevated LDL cholesterol is to put them on a statin. If you don't do that, you could be risking your life. And why is that the standard of care? Because pharma dictates that that's the standard of care. They also dictate the reimbursement. And so if you look at the study that was done in 2016 by Harvard, which determined that medical error was the third leading cause of death. I think it was repeated by Hopkins in 2019, but the Harvard.

study in 2016 is very clear that the third leading cause of death in America is medical error. And when you look into the study for why, you know, were doctors just killing people? No. What happened was they looked at ICD-9, ICD-10, ICD-11 codes, how they're coding. you know, the diagnosis of what's happened. I have to, as a doctor, I've got to sort of slot you into a diagnostic code so I can get reimbursed and you can get medication and we can all get paid.

But if I don't have a diagnosis to slot you into, I got to pick sort of the next nearest one. And there is no diagnosis or way for me to be reimbursed or to make a living if I go, look, Joe, you're... Your hemoglobin A1c is like 5.7. Your early stage pre-diagnosis.

You know, you've got a little abdominal obesity going on. Your blood pressure is creeping towards the high side. Your fasting glucose is really high. Let's talk about some diet and lifestyle choices. Tell me what's going on in your life. What's a typical day of your diet look like? Can I put you on a treadmill for 25 or 30 minutes? Can I talk to you about intermittent fasting? You know, can I talk to you about things like a whole food diet? No.

None of that. All of that is outside the standard of care. If something happens to you and I haven't practiced within the standard of care, I'm at risk. And so I think a lot of that is what's really exciting about MAHAS. I think a lot of that. You're going to see Bobby Kennedy and...

His team, again, in my opinion, you're going to see Bobby Kennedy and his team, which have been empowered to make real change, not just getting... you know, poison out of our food supply and having the generally regarded as safe guidelines look at. food safety before we put it into the public domain. But you're really going to see him go after corruption in our nutritional research.

corruption in our governmental oversight bodies. How is it that we can have people that... sit in the Food and Drug Administration and regulate private industry, and at the end of that regulatory career, go in to work for the same industry that they purported to regulate. and sometimes for 10 times what they would make.

As a regulator. Kind of kooky. It seems to me like you would get arrested for that in another industry. Yeah. Right? I mean, if you did that in the securities industry, the banking industry, you wouldn't get away with it. And, you know, 70 north of 70 percent, I think the number 74 percent of our nutritional research is funded by private industry. You know, we we. privatize the profit, but we socialize the expense.

And by this, I mean like we socialize through the tax-subsidized medical system, Medicaid, Medicare, the expenses, right? So the expenses go on to the taxpayers. But the payments go to private industry. So we privatize the profit and we socialize the risk. And then the private industry that benefits from this doesn't even have a fiduciary to the patients that they serve. They actually have a fiduciary to the investor.

And they can go to prison for not actually performing for their investor. They can't go to prison for not performing for their patient. So if I make a pharmaceutical that goes into your body... But somebody invested in my company to make that pharmaceutical. My responsibility is to them, not to you. So now you get harmed. You get harmed. I'm held harmless. But if I harm him by not selling it to you for the right margin, he gets to put me in prison. I mean, it's mine.

It's so ass backwards. It's so ass backwards and it's such an uphill sludge. I mean what the current administration has to do, what Bobby Kennedy has to do is sort of – restructure decades and decades of what's essentially corruption. Yeah. And there's a lot of people fighting him on it, man. Wow. I could only imagine because the amount of profit, you know, when you're talking about these industries.

The amount of money they generate is astronomical. And they're responsible for... so much of the advertising revenue of mainstream media. that mainstream media not only will not cover the negative aspects of their drug, but will heavily criticize anyone who tries to go outside the narrative. Very true. And, I mean, you know, look at this, you know, this Strong Kids Commission. You know, the idea is...

Go to schools, put physical education back into schools, get highly processed foods out of the schools. And actually not to fat shame kids, but to pro body morphic encourage them. Like, yes, it's OK to not want to be sloppy and out of shape and to call that out. And to actually be physically fit and healthy, it's not that you have to be there to gain status, but it's okay to not want to be fat.

Well, there's also, there's the, look, I don't think you should shame people and be cruel to them. However, if someone pulls you aside and says, hey, Bobby, you're overweight and it's fucking up. If that makes you feel bad and that feeling bad.

inspires a change in your lifestyle in your diet in Exercise routines and what you do that's positive and sometimes you have to feel bad like someone has to give you an app for you to realize oh my god i'm gonna fail in this class unless i study harder yeah Like that's part of life. And you can't just coddle people and expect success. That's not how it works. I totally agree. It's one of the most important aspects of athletics.

Because athletics are a very clear – it's a very clear formula that the more work you put in, the harder you train, the more results you'll get as long as you're not overtraining and you do it correctly. It's the ultimate sieve. Yeah. You work hard, you will get results. And that's... It's a vehicle for the rest of your life. If you can learn that at a young age, that's why I think athletics are so important for young people.

If you can learn that at an early age, that the discomfort is necessary for growth, like being tired, pushing yourself, working out when you don't want to, like pushing yourself. to the point where your body has to adapt and grow and become stronger is a part of this process and it's beneficial and through doing that you will actually feel better it is actually a meta If you could get the way, if you get the way I feel. If I cold plunge, have a hard workout, get in the sauna.

stretch out, and then go about my day. If you could put that in a pill, people are like, oh, my God, my new anti-anxiety medications is so incredible. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I take it every day. It's so incredible. I'm so happy that I went to this doctor because he put me on the right stuff. Yeah. That pill, especially if it did all the things. that exercise did without exercise, it would be the most valuable pill in the world. But getting people to... To feel discomfort voluntarily is so difficult.

When people have this sedentary lifestyle and this lazy mind and this entitlement that so many people have where they feel like the world owes them something. Instead of, I owe myself. I've got to work for myself. I've got to put off these feelings. I've got to delay these feelings of, you know, relaxation and comfort and delay.

and give myself some voluntary discomfort so that I can feel true peace. Yeah, I actually trademarked the statement, aging is the aggressive pursuit of comfort. By the way, if you want to use... Just use it. I won't sue you. But also aging. Actually aging. That's part of it too. Aging is the aggressive pursuit of comfort. And if you think about that for a minute. It truly is. The more aggressively we seek comfort, the faster we age.

It's like we really got to stop telling grandma not to go outside. It's too hot. Not to go outside. It's too cold. It's not even really aging, right? It's deterioration. It's deterioration. Yeah. Your muscles will atrophy. Your bone density will decrease. Your ligaments and your tendons will lose. Because we seek comfort. Yeah. I mean, when has a cold plunge not sucked? Every day. For me, it sucks every time. I don't want to do it. Every day while I'm doing it.

There's my little inner bitch that's trying to talk me out of it. My little inner bitch has a little whispery voice, though. It's like, you don't really want to do this. You don't need to, Joe. Oh, this is going to suck. Maybe you could just go eat cake. You're rich and successful. Yeah, you don't have to do this.

Thankfully, the general, the general is what I call the one part of my brain that i i try to keep the most dominant that where i tell myself shut the up shut up stupid get in there this is not this is unavoidable Get in there. I hear David Goggins in my...

In my head, like, you know, like, shut up, you pussy. Get in that, get in that, get in that cold punch. He's like, what does he say? Don't negotiate with yourself. My son and I went on this race called the Great World Race, which is seven marathons, seven continents in seven days. And I did a couple of half marathons and one full marathon, but he did all seven marathons on all seven continents in seven days.

How banged up was he by the end of seven days? Yeah, this was in November, so he's 24 now. He's 23 at the time, so it was like five months ago. I guess at 23, you kind of feel like you can't be killed by a bullet. Turns out by Cartagena, he was feeling it. But we took the David Goggins book with us and we read like, I was reading like a chapter out of it every day. It was a crazy experience because – so my son Cole and myself and my – cameraman, my production guy, went with him.

And initially I'm like, this is so awesome. We're going to see all seven continents in seven days. We're going to see Antarctica. I was in... Just I was so exhausted and in so in so much pain. And I'd only done like half marathons when we got off. Got off the flight in Antarctica. All the racers go out and start running. I had these big Timberland boots on and this big puffy jacket, and I was just sitting at the start line, just was going to wait for my son.

And I asked the race director, I'm like, how long are these loops? He's like, well, they're six point whatever miles and there's four. And I was like, I could easily do one of these. So I just started running. In the Timberlands? In these size 14 Timberlands. Which I immediately regretted because then the snow starts caking to the bottom of my Timberland. So I ended up actually marching and not really running.

And it was so funny because my son has these spikes on. So, of course, he laps me. He comes by. He's like, Dad? What the fuck are you doing out here? I thought I'd give it a whirl. So I actually made three loops. So I got 18 miles. Oh, wow. He ran the whole 26.3. Then you get on the plane and then you fly five and a half hours in economy sitting up.

You fly five and a half hours and you land in Cape Town, South Africa. And you get off the plane and immediately run another marathon. And it's balls hot. And, and then you, we... Packed up and from that marathon. So now these marathons were only like five and a half hours, six hours apart. So now you've done two marathons in 24 hours, one in Antarctica, one in the heat in South Africa. And then it was like 11 hours to Perth, Australia.

And I ran another half there. He ran a full marathon there. And then you're done in Perth, Australia, and you pack up and we flew to Istanbul. And the cool thing about Istanbul is you could run on the Asian side and then run on the European side. So this was like the only night we got to stay in a hotel room and actually take a shower. And so we get to Istanbul. And the marathon was supposed to be along this wharf. It was like supposed to be, it's pitch black at night.

And the dock is all broken apart. You know, there's these big, huge cracks in the sidewalk. And it was 26.3 miles along this wharf. Only the thing was, we were told that they were going to get all the fishermen off the wall. And so it was lines and lines and lines of these guys fishing at night. And they would take them. Oh, boy. And they would snap their hooks. And so we get there and we're like,

This is way too freaking dangerous. And I guess the company that they had hired to clear all these fishermen just took their money and said the whole course was going to be lit. Found out the course wasn't lit. So then you had to wear the headlamps. And so it took him like an hour, hour and 20 minutes to clear all these fishermen.

But then we started running and we ran with those, you know, those headlights on. And if you've ever been in pitch black and you've just watched that light bounce in front of your eyes for I don't know how my son. Because I ran for like an hour and a half and I was like, fuck this, I have nothing to prove. I'm 53. I'm going to be 54. I've already run a few half marathons. I feel really good. So he ran the entire thing, and I joined him.

for a bunch of laps, but finally he just ripped the thing off his head because that light shaking in front of your eyes for four hours at a time, pretty soon you just start to go batty. And then you go to sleep. The next day you run on the Asian side. Then it was 19 hours to Cartagena. About a third of the athletes drank the water with the ice or ate the salad that was washed in the water from... Oh, no.

And the worst Montezuma's revenge, Joe, you could ever imagine. Oh, no. Like a third of the plane wakes up. six or seven hours into this 19-hour flight. Just puking both ends. Oh, boy. Lines outside the bathroom. Lines outside the bathroom. Squeezing your butthole shut, trying to get in there. People. People laying in the galleys, just throwing up into the trash cans. Oh, no.

And I swear by the time we had landed, my son had lost so much weight. And then we get to the hotel room, which you actually didn't get to spend the night. We got to the hotel room just to change. And he's in there just puking. And he finally gets his race gear on and we go downstairs and like half of the athletes look like they're on their deathbed. And because we were late to Cartagena, the race goes off at like 12.30 in the afternoon, 12 o'clock in the afternoon.

It's freaking 98 degrees, maybe 100 degrees, 90% humidity. It is the hottest, flattest, most unforgiving course. I remember turning to my production, head of my production team is Max. And I was like, Max, there's zero chance he's finishing this match. Because he'd already started at about 208, 210 pounds, and he was probably 190 by this time.

And so I pull up next to my son and I was like, look, man, if you don't give up on this race, you know, I won't give up on you. And I... I sincerely regretted that at like mile 16 or 18, like saying that I would run the whole race with him because everything in, I've never run a marathon except for that day. Everything in my entire body hurt, Joe. I was in so much pain from the waist down that I think I'm...

And he was just going from port-a-potty to port-a-potty, puking and chitting, puking and chitting, puking and chitting. And I was having these sentimental moments where I was like, man, I'm so happy to be out here with you, dude. We're going to look back on this one day and wish we were back here. And he would look at me and go, dad. fuck up that would quiet down for like

another 30 or 40 minutes and then it gets sentimental again and he tells me to shut the fuck up again. We end up finishing the race though. I don't know how he did it. He sipped little ounces of coconut water for that entire Cartagena race. And then we had to get on the plane and fly to Miami to run the seventh one, which I didn't do. up but crazy crazy moment there were these women that were running this race I kid you not that they had Montezuma's revenge so bad

that they would leave the race course and run into the bay that we were running beside and just shit themselves in the bay and then get back out and keep running the race. And the guy that set the world record... Left the course in an ambulance in Cartagena. Wow. It was insane, man. My friend Cam Haynes, when he was preparing for one of those ultra runs, when you run for three days, like 240 miles, he was running a marathon a day.

while he was working an eight-hour job. He was running a marathon a day? A marathon a day, yeah. Wow. Yeah. in Bahrain, staying with Sheikh Nasser, who's one of the sons of the king of Bahrain. He is running 150 full-distance triathlons in 150 days. When I was there, he was on 59. I kid you not. It's amazing the body's potential if you just continue to push it. The thing about Cam is Cam had been running for so long, for so many years, that he had this incredible base.

His base of cardio. He was used to doing 10 miles every day. 170, 160. That's kind of big for that. Yeah, he's not. Well, his son is even fucking crazier. His son just broke the world record in pull-up. In 24 hours. In pull-ups? Yeah, I think he did. 10,001 in 24 hours. 10,001 in 24 hours. So he had broke the, so Goggins had a record.

He broke Goggins' record, and then some cat in Australia. He's young. He's like 25. Wow. He's an animal, too. That's him. And he runs with jeans on, by the way. Why? He runs with Origin jeans. Have you ever used those stretchy jeans that Origin makes? I think I have. They're fucking great. They're basically sweatpants. I don't know if I'd run a marathon in them. They're basically sweatpants.

They give you no resistance. You can kick somebody in the head with them easy. He's gifted, though. You can tell that stride. He's just coordinated. Well, he's been living with a fucking animal his whole life. So he came in seventh place in the Austin Marathon, and he is not built like a marathon guy. He's jacked. Yeah, he definitely is. I mean, obviously he won the world pull-up championship or world pull-up record. He is where I got one of the ideas.

to carry a lot of weight for like when I do 150 pounds. Oh, is that what he does? So he did this thing where I think... It's a mile. See if you can find it. So he's carrying a sandbag, and I believe he has a weight vest on as well. And I think the overall weight is over 200 pounds and he goes over a mile with over 200 pounds. Oh, just timed it. See if you can find that. Just walking like on a track. I'm going short distances when I'm carrying heavy weight, but what I'm trying to do is.

You know, Peter Attia talked about this, too, like the importance of the ability to carry weight and walk with it. And then there's this guy, Tom. He talks about the centenarian decathlon. Yes. And then there's this guy in Australia who's like an incredible freak. His name is Tom Haviland, and he's an enormous guy. He's like 6'7", he's 300 pounds, just close to 400, right? Isn't he like closing in on 400 pounds? And he's muscular?

Jack Jack and one of the things that he does is a part of his he does like very unusual workout routines Let's see if you can find some videos on that's what he looks like. I mean just a fucking complete freak, but he does a white dude. Yes Enormous guy too. I mean, he's a huge guy But he does a lot of his workouts are not just like normal deadlifts, bench press, all that kind of shit.

Some of his workouts he does, carries things. Like he carries things like off one side or another side. Go to his Instagram so I can pick one. A lot of these are just, mostly you see just his back. Why? I don't know, he's a psycho.

He has to be out of his fucking mind just to be doing this because he's literally one of the strongest guys in the world. Really? Yeah. Does he participate in like strongman competitions? I don't think he does. I think he just does all this shit on his own and I don't even understand why. So what does he weigh now? 302 pounds. What? Wow. He drinks, he eats 6,570 calories a day. Yeah. And 3,200, no, excuse me, 329 grams of protein, 814 grams of carbs.

222 grams of fat. And so he was... And that's the current phase, which is a deficit. Yeah. This was him on his way to... So go back to that. Yeah, so he's at 340 pounds. I think he was trying to get to 400 pounds at one point in time. But one of the things he does a lot is carry stuff.

And so I started looking into this idea, like, what's the big deal about carrying and walking with stuff? So he does this, like, how much weight is that motherfucker got carrying around with them? How many plates is that? I mean... 500 pounds? What is that? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Ten plates. So it's somewhere around. So that's 450 pounds. Yeah. And so he's just walking short distances with this.

So I started doing that in my yard. So I started doing it with farmers' carries. And, you know, when I ruck, I just use the 45-pound plate when I go a couple miles with the dog. What's with the back? I mean, why isn't he? Because he's a fucking psychopath. Why does he have all clothes on, too? Because if he takes the clothes off, he's super impressive. Really? Yeah, he's fucking ripped. I mean, the guy's enormous.

I forget his background. Yeah, that's him. That's what he looks like. Dude. Yeah. And again, he's like 6'7 or something crazy like that. Built that way. Wow. But he does a lot of carrying stuff and walking stuff. Yeah. He feels like it's very important for your overall strength. I would agree with that. Not just to be able to sit there and push stuff and do squats in place.

but to move with things where you're balancing and counterbalancing, moving left foot, right foot, left foot, right foot. Yeah. And I think there's a real benefit to that. I like the single arm.

you know, farmer carry. Yes. It makes a lot of sense, especially just trying to stabilize your spine. Yeah. I'll do that with like a 70 pound kettlebell and I'll just like walk up a hill with a 70 pound kettlebell and I can't get very far before I have to put it down because my grip gives out, but I won't use strap. because I think I really want to – like I've been doing – too because we have this thing in the comedy club where it's like one of those

strength things where you squeeze it. And it has a counter? Yeah, and I got to 161 pounds of... Strong you can squeeze it's the hardest I've ever gotten so I want to get to 180 so I've been just just grip strength Yeah, just hold that motherfucker. I feel like hand strength. You have to get angry? No, I do. I like to get angry. I just like to get angry, if I can.

But hand strength, I think, is very important. Most of my workout... Peter Tia talks about grip strength, and it's... It's very important. I do a lot of hanging, too. I do a lot of hanging from my back and my shoulders, too. I just hang from... Oh, yeah. I don't like straps. That's good. How long can you dead hang? Two minutes. Okay. I'm just about there myself. Yeah. Just around two minutes.

I put those weighted vests on. That's a good way to do it, weighted vests for short bursts. Yeah, I'll take like a 12-pound weighted Aeon vest, and I don't think you could do it with a rock, but I do those 12-pound Aeon vests. hang like this this is the one one of them too this one's about 12 pounds but yeah i do one series of all body weight workouts where i do chin-ups push-ups and then l chin uh l i guess you would be pull-up

where it's a tight grip, and by L meaning I lift my legs up and I hold them in position. Paul Saladino's got me doing that now. So I do that most of the time with no extra weight. Two times a month, I'll do it with 25 pounds.

So I put a 25-pound vest on and do my entire routine with long breaks. Like a ruck vest. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's actually from GoRuck. It's 25-pound. It's like a... you know just strap it in velcro it down and so i'll do my series of 10 chin-ups my series of 20 20 dips

and then 10 L pull-ups, and I'll do that. But you're talking like the L sits where you're holding the bars and you just put your feet straight out. Those are tougher than they look. I'm not holding the bar down here. I'm doing chin-ups. Oh, chin-ups, okay. So I'm doing the L like this. with my foot straight off. So it's the abs. I've had a problem with my lower back and I think a lot of it came from, I know where it came from. It came from archery where I was spending too much time

And then also I was getting a little bit of tendonitis and I was just saying fuck it. Just working through it. You try to shoot both sides with your bow now? No, but what I do now is, because my bow is pretty heavy, it's 85 pounds to pull it back. But I'm doing it like when I'm really training hard, like it's getting close to September, I'm probably shooting 100 times a day. So I'm 100 times, I'm pulling back 85 pounds. So now what I do, and I learned this from Cam.

I take a 10-pound dumbbell and I hold it with my right, because I pull my bow with my right arm. So I put a 10-pound dumbbell with my right arm and hold it out. And then with my left arm, I have a cable. like a cable machine, and I'm pulling back the same – I'm mimicking the exact same motion of archery. Oh, I see. So I'm holding – so you're doing this in a gym on a – Yes. Like just a hand weight. So I'm holding it like that, and then I'm using the pulley.

and I'm pulling the cables back, and I'm holding it for a count of two. holding it for a count of two, and bringing it back. So I'm balancing out my back. Are you a lefty or a righty? So your righty is, that's where you're holding your bow. So my right arm, I'm pulling back. I'm holding the bow with my left arm to stabilize it, and I'm pulling it back.

So now to counter that, I immediately go to the gym right after. So one of the things I'm noticing is like, boy, I get fucking so sore on my left side now because this is fairly recent. I've only been doing this for a couple months. the left side to stabilize it. But I think I should have been doing it the entire time.

And because I was getting like really bad lower back pain last hunting season. And it was just because of tendons. I was just overusing you because you're stabilizing. Right. So you're pulling back the bow and you're holding it in place.

Stabilizing on your right side and after your your form kind of breaks down plus all that you get a little tired now I just when my feeling a form breaking down I stop I just stopped shooting so instead of shooting a hundred times a day now, maybe I'll shoot I won't push because it's a meathead mentality that my stupid brain like won't abandon. Even though I know it's like injuring me. Yeah, but this this is it actually it became a problem and it was hurt me when I was playing pool and

I did a bunch of things to deal with it. One of the things I did is this thing called New Fit, which helped a lot, where they put electrodes. on your muscles and then you go through a series of core routines while you're doing that. That helped a lot. That's cool. And then incorporating rotational exercises helped a lot.

I have, like, a bar. Like a golf-looking thing? No, I have a bar, like a straight bar, and I'll put, like, my right leg forward, and so I've got the bar back on the right side, and I'm twisting forward. So I'm doing that. So a lot of rotational exercises. And I'm also twisting up. You know, and I'm doing a bunch of different things to twist. And another thing I do is I sit on a pad with my legs elevated and I have a kettlebell.

twisted to the side with my legs up in the air so i'm getting all this rotational exercises into my system now that i didn't used to do before but i really should have been doing from the beginning i always did abs You know, I always did, you know, the hip glute thing where you lean all the way back.

Yeah, GHD sit-ups. Yeah. So I used to do a lot. Yeah, those are good. I still do a lot of those. Yeah. And then back extensions. But I wasn't doing rotational stuff. And I think that's the difference. When is hunting season for you, December? September. Oh, September. Yeah. And where do you go, like Utah or Wyoming? Yeah, the photo that you were asking about out front, that's Utah. No, that's Utah. That's beautiful. And you go for like a week and you just... Gorgeous. Love it.

Stay at somebody's ranch out there. It's just so lovely. Everything about it is great. It's just I look forward to it so much. That's why I love the mountains. Like, you know, honestly, I think our long term plan is to we've got a beautiful place in Miami is to. is to sell that place and get a spot. I mean, continue to develop our spot in Colorado because there's something about these authentic logs.

glacier-fed spring water, will and septic, you know, solar-fed electricity. Yeah. Like, just old school. Old school. And it makes you so happy. And I totally agree with you. I wish that people could... Well, I think there's also some intangible input that you're getting from society that you're not thinking about, but that affects you.

that's absent when you're in the woods and you feel refreshed because of that. It's a connection to Mother Nature. I mean, it's a connection to life. It is. I think that we've gotten so... But I also think the absence of society is a thing. I think... I mean, this is going to sound super kooky. But I think even Wi-Fi and cell phone signals, I think they have an effect on you.

I don't know how much of an effect. I'll tell you a true story. My house, we have this. My wife and I sleep in an EMF-free tent. I went a little nuts with the biohacking here. You sleep in a tent? We have these every night that we're home in Miami. So it's a PVC frame. You know, it's like.

Five and a half feet tall, six foot tall, a little frame. It's just PVC. It's dirt cheap. And then draped over top of it is pure woven silver fabric. So it looks like a mosquito net that's over our king sauce bed. And in the back of our bed. It clips into this grounding mattress, which plugs into the wall. So the whole cage is grounded. And there's no 5G, no Wi-Fi. That's it right there. Jamie's got a photo of it. Oh, that's exactly it. That is literally exactly it. I wonder if they're...

So that protects you from EMF? I wonder if you push Gary Brecka's bed in there, if it would show it, because I put it on Instagram. Is that what you do? That's exactly what we sleep in. Exactly that. EMF shielding canopy. See, this is like...

This is where you and I separate. I know. If I tried to bring that up, my wife would smack me. Dude, I also have a hyperbaric chamber in our bedroom. I have a hyperbaric chamber. In the bedroom? No, in my house. Oh, okay. I've got my podcast studio inside of one now. Inside of a hyperbaric chamber? Inside of a hyperbaric chamber. How big is your hyperbaric chamber? Huge. It's got two Maybach seats in it.

It's got a 52-inch or 54-inch TV. It's got three AI-powered cameras. My gym is in the HyperBear, too. So here's the thing. I have a rower and weights, like a whole set of weights. There's a wrist. of using electronics in a high-oxygen environment. You don't use a high-oxygen environment. I don't think there's any reason to go in a 100% O2 chamber. I mean, none of my...

chambers will go to 100% O2. So none of them are flammable. You could have a candle inside of there. Theoretically. I don't suggest it, but you could. They would tell you to not even wear certain kinds of clothes in the hyperbaric chambers. Yeah, because if you have 100% O2, you can have static electricity and you can light a spark. explode. So what is 100% O2 versus like what you're doing?

So you have to actually put medical grade oxygen into the chamber, which I don't do. You don't. So the one that I used to go to, they would give you a mask and you would wear the mask and oxygen would get pumped into your mask while you're in the hyperbaric. Yeah, so that's also not flammable. That's probably 92, 93% O2. Pure oxygen, 100% oxygen is flammable. It's just like pure hydrogen gas is flammable. So 100% O2 is flammable. I mean, that terrible accident that happened to that young boy.

Um, in the Midwest here recently where the hyperbaric chamber actually exploded. What happened? Um, yeah, I mean, there's a young, I think it was five and a half year old little boy. was in a hyperbaric chamber. And very sadly, the technician left him in there, didn't ground him. And he had a blanket in there with him, and he moved the blanket and the static electricity.

100% exploded. His mother was injured too. I want to say that both of the nurse and doctor and the clinic have been charged with manslaughter. Terrible. Those are 100% O2 chambers. It's clear it means... important to make the distinction that these 100% oxygen chambers, I mean, these are...

Why would you have 100% O2 chamber versus what you're talking about? So if you look at some of the therapeutic benefits for things like diabetic ulcers, burns, things like that, where, you know, necrosis, tissue necrosis. Those make sense in a supervised hospital environment with, you know, someone standing right outside the chamber the entire time. I've been in one one time in a place called BioAccelerator in Medellin, Colombia.

The home-use chamber is where you get a prescription from your doctor, and you actually get probably what you have. Is yours a soft shell? No. Chamber? It's a hard shell? Mm-hmm. Oh, okay. So that'll probably go to two atmospheres of pressure. That's really good. So Dr. Jason Saunders, who wrote the book Hyperbaric Medicine with Dr. Dimitri.

will tell you there's a lot of benefits at low pressures, like 1.3 atmospheres, which you can get in a soft chamber. And there are a lot of benefits at higher pressures, like two atmospheres. So I never go above two atmospheres, twice the atmospheric pressure.

If you think about what's happening at twice the atmospheric pressure, you're taking the oxygen from the air, which is about 21% sea level, what we're breathing right now, and you're doubling that because you're doubling the pressure. So every 33 feet you go below sea level, you double the atmospheric pressure. So when you get to two atmospheres of pressure, you're essentially taking in twice as much oxygen. The oxygen concentration hasn't increased, but the size of...

The gas has gotten smaller. So now you're perfusing tissues with oxygen that normally wouldn't be as perfused with oxygen. You can also put on the nasal cannulus and get 92, 93% O2, but that's also not flammable. If you took a nasal cannulus from an oxygen concentrator, like one that works for your EWAT or something, and you let a lighter in front of it, that gas is not going to catch fire. Okay. 100% O2. is flammable and very dangerous. So what's the benefit of 100%?

just a higher concentration of oxygen for things like, you know, diabetic ulcers. When you have... anaerobic bacterial infections, meaning bacterial infections that do not thrive on oxygen. You have to be careful with aerobic bacteria because there are bacteria that actually feed on oxygen as well. And so you don't want to put somebody who has an aerobic infection into a hyperbaric chamber.

an anaerobic infection into a hyperbaric chamber. But what's really interesting is some of the research that's coming out of... Israel especially, on cognitive function, using 60 days. at two atmospheres of pressure and then reducing the pressure over time. the improvement in mitochondrial density, the improvement in blood flow, cognitive scoring, reduction of neural inflammation.

You can't say treat or cure, but they use these to modulate autism, all kinds of neuroinflammatory conditions, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's. which is really linked to type 3 diabetes, which is insulin resistance in the brain. But the byproduct of that is this neural inflammatory cascade. So reducing neural inflammation, you know, there are a lot of benefits to hyperbaric tissue recovery, post-surgical wound repair, post-surgical recovery. You know, these things have...

Pretty profound. There's also a study out of Israel that showed the lengthening of telomeres when they did a protocol of 60 sessions, 90-minute sessions over 90 days. Yes, 60 days. Or 60 sessions in 90 days. 60 sessions in 90 days. 60 90-minute sessions in 90 days. You're right. Dr. Saunders talked about that a lot, too. And they showed telomere length. which was the biological equivalent of a decrease of age of 20.

Yeah, it's a chromosomal end cap. And if you think about it, I have a saying that the presence of oxygen is the absence of disease. And I truly believe that because if you look at the breakdown in mitochondrial respiration, which occurs when you deprive the mitochondria of all kinds of things, but mainly of oxygen. which is our fuel source, you know, which is not our fuel source as humans. Our fuel source is ATP. But the fuel source for the mitochondria is mainly oxygen.

And when you feed it oxygen, you have a 16-fold step up in cellular energy. When you deprive it of oxygen, you have a 16-fold step down in cellular energy. I mean, the difference between aerobic and anaerobic respiration or the Krebs cycle having the presence of oxygen or not having the presence of oxygen is a pretty substantial number. And so...

because they allow for compressed oxygen, even if you don't increase the percentage of O2, right? You keep it at 21% like we're breathing right now, but you just double the atmospheric pressure. I mean, the effects are pretty profound. And I believe the risks are low. If you have a physician, you understand how to operate the chamber.

You have safety procedures and you're not using 100% O2 and you're at shallow depths. You can ascend quickly without being in trouble. If you're a diver, you understand dive tables. You have to ascend at certain rates and pause at certain levels. So the one that... that i i built i was like man how do i just compress time i'm like well i'm gonna work out so what if i was able to put the gym

And I'm doing podcasts. I remember the guy thought it was out of my freaking body. It does sound crazy. But it's got a Nord Track rower in there. How big is it? Like the size of this room? It's pretty big. picture of it um that would be a great way to like compressed time. You feel more than one thing done at the same time. I feel amazing getting out of my mind.

Wow. That's crazy. That's my son, Dylan. We went in there the other day. Working out in a hyperbaric chamber. And you could kind of watch Netflix in there, too. Yeah. You got a screen in there and everything. Wow. And it's got... So I was playing some rap music. I got a sound bar in there. That's pretty dope. Yeah, it was pretty cool. That's awesome. Yeah, I just lay down in mine and listen to books. Well, the other one you can lay down in.

It's got a television in it, too, so I go in there and watch the news sometimes. Oh, that's great. Yeah, my wife and daughter goes in there, and they just take a nap. I was talking to Dana about it, like how beneficial it is. It's like, how much time does it take? I'm like, it's about two hours. And he's like, God.

I know. Everything, you got to do something. You're doing the red light. Yeah, that's why I'm trying to compress time. Yeah. Just like if you could get the hydrogen into the cold tub. I mean, he's going to be at mine. my house tomorrow. So we're going to try to. How much are those little bombs for the bath, the hydrogen bomb?

I know they're about to come out with them. I don't know if you can order them on the site yet. I think they're probably going to be, if it's $30 for 30 of those H2 tabs, then I would imagine they're going to be around $5 or $10. Ten bucks for a hydrogen bomb to drop into the bathtub. I mean, the machine is, you know, I was actually originally going to order this electrolysis system called a cocoon.

It's about Kaquin, like the facility out in Las Vegas, which makes oxygen water. That system is like $110,000. And then a buddy of mine, Tyler LeBaron, who's the Ph.D. in the space. told me about this machine I could order from Korea for $7,500, which is the one that I have now. And now I've added a nanobubble machine. And that one...

just incredible, I mean, for this transdermal inflammation. And I think for people that have like, you know, chronic injuries, especially like chronic repetitive use injuries, or they have real severe low back pain, or they've got parents or something that are deconditioned, you know, that have a hard time exercising, you know, these are, these are. you know, great things to do to lower their inflammatory cascade.

And there's something called EWOT, Exercise with Oxygen Therapy, which is kind of based on Otto Warburg's research. And I do this with my parents because both of my parents are deconditioned. My mom has dual knee replacements, and my dad is handicapped from a boating accident years ago. He has no cognitive impairment, but he has some motor coordination difficulties. So it's hard for him to really exercise. And I bought them a sauna and I put them both in a sauna for...

20 minutes, three times a week, and they just breathe, I bored a hole, and they just breathe through a nasal cannulus, the 92, 93% O2, which is a version of EWOT, the exercise with oxygen therapy, or the multi-step oxygen therapy, because if you just... can raise their heart rate just, you know, a little bit with the heat, then that extra perfusion pressure really drives oxygen into the tissues. And I'll tell you, it's a noticeable change.

Just like when you get out of a cold plunge, you had a really good workout. Well, imagine, you know, you're elderly and you're deconditioned. You know, you really don't get your heart rate up. You really don't get your good sweat on. But you go into a sauna, raise your heart rate. Breathe some of that 92, 93% of it too.

This is a kind of important thing to talk about because there was a study that was released recently that showed that when people use the cold plunge after workout, you see a decrease in hypertrophy. Yeah, of course you do. Yeah. This is a terrible study. Right. I was so pissed off to see that. That's because people told you doesn't work all these pussies that don't want to get in that cold water folks You do the cold before this is the way to do it. I know it's

do the cold before you work out, or wait several hours after you work out, and then you cold plunge. Right. I totally agree. I mean, if you think about what you get from cold plunging, let's not overblow it or underblow it, but you get... Well, first of all, if you exercised intensely, let's just say you did a big squat workout and you tore a bunch of quad muscles.

Inflammation. What's the body going to do? Yeah, the body's going to send more blood flow, more amino acids, more oxygen to those muscles. It's going to pull inflammatory factors like kregatinin, you know, the breakdown of muscle. byproduct of the muscle breakdown. It's going to pull that out. So why would you want to stop? How do you say it? It's creatinine? Creatinine. Creatine is what you take for it. Right, right, right. I never knew how to say that word, though. I've seen it.

Yeah, which is actually very good. Creatinine. Yeah. Because I know there was a fighter that was actually pulled from a fight once because he had high creatinine levels. Yeah, that's a kidney issue. It's actually a sign of rhabdomyelitis, right, of overtraining. Yeah. That makes sense because he was a psycho. Yeah, you start to break down. So creatinine is a byproduct of muscle breakdown.

It's perfectly normal to have creatinine in the blood, but when it gets very high, so there's usually three markers they look at for kidney. health. One is called blood urea nitrogen, bun. One is called creatinine, this breakdown of muscle byproduct. And rhabdo is... start to break down at a rate that your kidneys can't clear it. A lot of people that go too hard when they're not in shape, like they did too many CrossFit classes, they get... Yes, they get rhabdo. And what's interesting is...

a lot of athletes, really conditioned athletes get it too because they have a tendency to be mentally a lot stronger than their bodies. That's the problem. That meathead mentality that I was talking about that led to me having this tendon issue in my lower back. Yeah. Because I was worried that it was a disc issue. But it's not in the disc. It's like right here on the right hip area where it's like the stable. So you think about it. Okay, so the...

And then there's something called EGFR, which is your kidney filtration rate, which is your glomerular filtration rate. It's how quickly is the blood moving through your kidneys. Because about 15 times every day, the full volume of your blood goes through your kidneys. But if you think about what happens when you get into a cold plunge, so first you get this peripheral vasoconstriction.

And then you get a release of something called cold shock proteins. And if you ever really want to have some fun, just Google around about cold shock proteins. Look at LIN28A and LIN28B. These are cold shock proteins that are being actually researched for their impact on insulin sensitivity, improving insulin sensitivity. And then you activate a very special type of fat called brown fat, which essentially exchanges a calorie for a measure of heat. So it takes a calorie and turns it into heat.

And that's a very good thing. If I'm taking calories and turning them into heat, you know, there's a cost to raising your thermostat. And you think if you're in, let's say, 50 degree water and you get out of 50 degree water and you're standing in a 70 degree room. How's your body go to 98.6? Right. How do you actually not only how do you exceed the temperature of the room you're in? Well, your metabolism is raised largely because of the activation of brown fat. And there's a cost.

Now, cold plunging is not good for burning fat, I think, is missing the breadth of the science. And then the final thing you get is you get this spike of dopamine. Which lasts hours. Yes. And that's where you get that.

Like laser focus. I feel freaking amazing. You feel so good. Dude, you're never in a bad mood getting out of a cold pond. Right. That's another thing that if you could give that to people in a pill, they'd be like, oh my God, I found the best antidepressant. Yeah, yeah. It's a cold pond. So true. Well, one thing is beneficial though post-workout is sauna.

Right? Beneficial for muscle growth. Getting hyperthermic, yes. Yes, and also as a static cardio, correct? Because your heart rate's already elevated. I like to go in. Literally, the moment I put the weights down, I get right into that 196 degrees. That 20th minute's tough, though, bro. Ooh, the 25th minute's even tougher. Oh, you go. Yeah, that's the last five. I used to get to the 20, and I'd be like, okay, fine.

And then the fucking general started talking. No. Yeah, come on, pussy. Five more minutes. Come on, pussy. Oh, no. And the thing is, too, when I'm in the sauna, I'm not just sitting there. I'm... hard stretching I do deep stretches which is exhausting too because it It's hard to do. You know, I'm holding like deep static stretches. You're pretty flexible though, right? Yeah. Yeah. Pretty flexible. That's so good. That's because I keep it. I mean, I'm 57. I keep my...

Yeah, yeah. Going into the sauna post. There's a lot of people as they get older, they lose that flexibility. And I think that's another thing that I actually, if I'm criticizing myself, I didn't do enough of before I started fucking my lower back up. Lower back's pretty solid now, though. It still irritates me sometimes when I wake up in the morning, but it's nothing that stops me from doing anything.

I can still kick the bag, which is, that was the big one. Like, because there's so much torque involved in the waste when you're kicking the bag. And I hate not being able to do that. So the fact that I can still get those workouts in is really huge. That is the absolute best stress reliever in the history of Mother Earth.

Yeah, hitting a bag. Put some 16-ounce gloves on, set a timer, and start doing rounds on the bag. Start slow and, you know. We start at like 30 seconds a minute. No, I do three-minute rounds. I do three-minute rounds and then one-minute rest, three-minute rounds. But the first few rounds while I'm warming up, I'm just kind of tapping. I'm not full blasting it, but then around round four when I'm really sweating. And then what I do is I have two different timers.

And one of them, I have this ringside timer that will give you these 30-second dings. So it'll give you three minutes, but it gives a different sound that goes off at 30 seconds. So you know you're halfway through the minute. No, so you know when to sprint. So you have sprinting times and then you have other times where you're sort of coasting and then the number goes off and you sprint. And then I'll also do Tabatas. And so Tabatas, that protocol is 20 seconds work, 10 seconds work.

So I do that protocol. My favorite way to do that one is actually on the air. Oh, that Aerodyne, too. The Rogue Machine is the best. It's called the Echo Bike. Rogue is like, they make the, it's such a sturdy. fucking rock solid piece of equipment. You mean it's a rogue aerodyne? Yeah, it's a rogue one though. They call it the Echo Bikes. Get a picture of the rogue one. It's much sturdier than the other ones that I've seen.

And it has Tabata built into the system. Oh, dude, that's so brutal. Yeah. So it's eight. eight reps of this. So 20-second sprint, 10-second rest, 20-second sprint, 10-second rest. You do that for a series of eight. So that's the Rogue one. It's real thick and robust. And you go fucking ham on that thing. Oh, it's called the Echo Bike. Yeah. For me, the best way to increase my cardio, that Tabata protocol. I don't know. Some guy named Tabata invented that protocol.

What is that? Treadmill with the weight. Yeah. Oh, the HIIT treadmill? Yeah, that's great, too. Yeah, I ordered one of those. Oh, you walk in with weights? Yeah. Oh, so it's like a farmer's carry. Exactly, but you're going uphill on a treadmill. Fuck yeah. Fuck yeah. Let's go. Come on, dog. Let's go. It's all about work, you know, getting your body to slowly build up to more and more work. Make sure you're taking mineral salt.

Oh, I take a lot of shit. What do you take? Well, I use Element. Element T? Yeah, Element T. I take that stuff. And I'm addicted to that chili mango flavor. Oh, it's so good. Oh, vellum and tea? Oh, it's so delicious. Is it spicy? A little bit. Really? Just a touch. Just a touch of spice. I really like it. Just a touch of spice.

So I'll have like a 64-ounce water with four of those poured into it. Oh, 64 ounces. Yeah. And so I'm just hammering it. But that's made a giant impact in cramps. I don't get cramps anymore. Yeah. A lot of people think that, you know. It's funny how many people think sodium is the enemy. There's a really interesting study. More bullshit like the cholesterol bullshit.

Oh, your sodium, you're going to have a high blood pressure, you're going to die. Yeah. All your cholesterol from your carnivore diet, you're going to die. Like, bitch, come work out with me, you'll die. Yeah, you'll die, bitch, come work out with me. I'll kill you. Just one leg kick.

Yeah, I mean with the workout. Yeah, it's fun. I take people through my workout I'd love taking people through it because I've done it for so long that it's it's so hard but I built my system up to be able to tolerate it so when i bring people and even people that work out they're like Jesus Christ like this is a lot of shit like yeah. Yeah, how long do you work out 90 minutes? It's at least 90 minutes. Yeah. Yeah, cuz I I do what's called I mean when I'm not doing endurance training

I do the strong first protocol. So Pavel Tatsulin, he developed this kettlebell protocol where... So a lot of people like to work to failure. I don't work to failure ever, but I do the same amount of reps. So, like, say if I have a 70-pound kettlebell, right, and I'm doing cleans and presses, if I can do – I could probably do 20 reps. to failure with 70 pounds. So by clean, are you pulling it just to your chin or are you talking about all the way up? One arm. So clean press. Yeah. Down.

clean press. Like if I go to failure, I don't know, I probably could do like 20 reps with 70 pounds, but I don't do 20 reps. I do 10 and then I put it down and then I wait like several minutes. And then I'll do my left side. And then I wait several minutes more. And then I'll do my right side again. So I am completely rested by the time I do my second set. So I'm getting those 20 reps in, but I'm doing it in two sets. rather than in one set and so then I'll just do multiple sets.

to get the same amount of work in. I think I heard him describing this to you. It's the amount of work. Yes. Right. So he's outworked you. Yeah. Because he's done more. But you have to have time and you will feel like a lazy bitch because you're doing your set, but then your heart rates completely drop down before you do it again. Really? Yeah, I take a long time. I watch TV. I'll get on my phone. I fuck off I sit down and you feel like a lazy bitch, but I'm doing it over two plus hour

So when it's all over, I'm getting a lot of reps, but I'm not getting the same breakdown of form. So the way he says it is he says that strength is a skill. And that you shouldn't be doing skills when you're exhausted. Like he doesn't believe in like CrossFit and like all these. repetitions where you're breaking down your body's failing

People get injured that way a lot. Yeah, they do. And some people don't. But these are elite athletes, and you build yourself up to it. And I understand. I'm not against CrossFit. Have you noticed that you've gotten a lot? stronger oh yeah like yeah yeah yeah by doing it this way well this is the thing like i don't bench press but one time we were doing this uh this podcast and we were drinking

And we're drunk and we all like went to see. I don't even, we were drunk. I don't bench press, but I bench press 225, 13 times. And I don't do it. I don't do it. I was like, let's see. And I was like, yep. But that's no bench pressing. I don't bench press. What do you do for your chest? I do push-ups. I do 100 push-ups a day. And I do dip.

That's it. Yeah, dips are great. Yeah, so I don't have a big chest. So what else do you... supplement with so you take like creatine every day creatine is amazing every day I think you know especially for women by the way I think if you're a female and you're 40 years or older you need I think it's great for your mind too. It's great for cognitive function. Cognitive function and also cognitive function if you're sleep impaired.

It's one of the few things that's shown that can completely diminish the effects of sleep deprivation. You should most certainly...

Make up for that sleep. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying you don't need sleep. Just take creatine. You definitely need sleep We were talking about this the other day. Yeah, I think it's one of the most important things that people neglect I think so time so I take creatine every day I take All the supplements that you recommended to me, TMG, methylfolate, I take lots of vitamin D, K2, all that jazz.

Do you take that 10X Optimized, do you take the multivitamin, or do you take them separately? I take everything separately. I use Pure Encapsulations vitamin packs. Yeah, those are good. So they have a pack that has like... basically all your shit and then on top of that i pile on you know one other thing that i've started taking that i've been taking actually for a while that i

I was having a decrease in my eyesight, and it was pretty noticeable as age-related macular degeneration. So I started taking macular support by pure encapsulations. That seems to have had an effect. But really what's had an effect is the red light bed. I know. The red light bed has had a big effect. I've told people, like, you text me and they're like, bro, my eyesight has totally improved. Mine too. Stopped deteriorating and improved slightly.

Yeah. It's definitely where the point where I can look at my phone. I don't need glasses because I was using reading glasses all the time when I was looking at my phone. And now I don't need them at all anymore. Yeah. I would definitely. Red light therapy, I would add what I gave you the other day, those perfect aminos, which is just essentially the nine essential amino acids. You know, we talk about how most people are trying to dose protein so they can get to the amino acid equivalent.

Or they're taking imperfect proteins like or incomplete proteins like collagen, which can't build. Which is a great protein, but it won't build muscle. But this is an important point, too. You were talking about the other day that collagen does not build collagen.

Yeah. I mean, I think that the idea that we can target direct proteins is a fallacy. You know, I use the analogy that we don't eat our nails to grow our nails and we don't eat our hair to grow our hair. But we think that we can eat collagen to grow collagen. And that's actually not true. I'm not anti-collagen. I'm just saying if you eat collagen or put collagen in your coffee, it doesn't show up as collagen in your skin.

My preference would be you take something that has all of the nine essential amino acids. I take one called Perfect Aminos, but there's other products out there that are all nine essential amino acids. Can I pour that into the water with the electrolytes in it? 100%. It's not going to have any diminished effects? I think the best morning cocktail is to take a mineral salt, like a Baja gold salt or a... Celtic salt.

Add that to your drinking water. Drop a hydrogen tablet in there. Take a scoop of Perfect Aminos. Put that in there. Hydrate. Mineralize. and get the amino acids. Can I ask you another question about creatine? Is there any decreased benefit in taking creatine gummies versus creatine powder? You know, I haven't looked at the bioavailability. I mean, there's two types of creatine, which, you know, monohydrate and HCL. Monohydrate is where all of the research is. There's a lot more research.

on creatine monohydrate. But creatine also comes in the HDL, the hydrochloride form. I tell people that if they take creatine monohydrate and they have bloating, which some women do, they'll have a little water retention or some bloating, then just take the creatine HCL. What about HMG with creatine?

No issues with that at all. Is that a good thing? Because I know that a lot of companies, they combine creatine and HMG for some reason. Yes. What is the benefit of that, combining the two of them together? So myofibril uptake or cellular uptake. Right, so bioavailability is a lot of things that we pair together for bioavailability, like D3 with K2. Right, and magnesium as well, right? Yeah, and magnesium is one of the critical deficiencies. I always take that with D3.

That's good. You take magnesium with D3 and K2. That's perfect. Can you take too much magnesium? You can take too much magnesium. It's a little hard. I mean, it's a really essential light metal. I mean, you have to really over supplement with that. I take a nighttime, I take this. a thing by bio-optimizers called Magnesium Breakthrough, which has seven forms of magnesium in it.

I'm a big fan of that. You can also isolate the magnesiums if you have trouble sleeping. Magnesium threonate is really good. Magnesium citrate and glycinate are good for intestinal motility. So if you're not somebody that has regular bowel movements. magnesium deficiency is highly linked to poor intestinal motility. So if you're not somebody that wakes up within 45 minutes of the day and has a bowel movement,

you may want to look to, you know, magnesium supplementation the night prior and see if that fixes your bowel movement. Also, you know, people that have that ruminate at night who, you know, they lay down to go to sleep and their body tire, but their mind awake. This is generally a rise in something called catecholamines, these neurotransmitters in the brain that create awakened state. They're also the same neurotransmitters that create anxiety and trigger our fight or flight response.

A lot of times magnesium, methylfolate, and a simple B-complex will quiet those squirrels. Very, very simple methylated nutrient. to actually break down those catecholamines. Because, you know, I talk about this all the time. People that suffer from anxiety are never really told what it is.

Like nobody sits them down and tells them what is anxiety. Like why do I feel – why do sometimes I feel like I'm in a heightened state of awareness? And then I move from a heightened state of awareness to being – full-blown anxiety. Like I actually feel the presence of a fear.

And then, you know, sometimes that presence of a fear goes into like a rapid heart rate or acute hearing or pupils dilate. And then that goes into a full-blown panic attack. And if catecholamines continue to rise, you can even have a full-blown paranoia. It's this rise in this category of neurotransmitters called catecholamines. So if we identify...

anxiety as that. And I'm not saying it's always that, but the majority of people have that form where they have metabolism issues because of a gene mutation called CompT. And they are worriers, not warriors. So they lay down to go to sleep at night, their mind wakes up. They start ruminating thoughts at night. If they think about anything at night, they'll take it straight to worst case scenario. So every scenario that they ruminate on at night, they take it to worst case.

Nutritionally related. It's absolutely nutritionally related because when you talk about what do catecholamines do in the body, they're a fight or flight response. So if you walked out of this door right here and somebody was standing in front of you with a knife.

right in that hallway, besides kicking their ass, your pupils would dilate, your heart rate would increase, your extremities would flood with blood, your hearing would get acute, you would instantly start having a fight or flight response. Well, what happened? Right? I mean, that person didn't do anything. What happened inside of your body that caused that response? You received a dump of catecholamines. Norepinephrine, epinephrine, federine, and dopamine. One of those we call adrenaline.

So you're in this hyper acute state. So that's like we dump those to an eight, full blown fight or flight response. Well, what happens if we dump them to a three? Well, if that happens at night, you're body tired, but your mind awake. And so you lay there just ruminating because your mind is in awakened state, even though. And so if you look at the pathways that actually break down catecholamines, how do we downregulate catecholamines?

A form of B12 called methylcobalamin, which you can get anywhere, guys. Something called methylfolate. And every once in a while, SAMe has adenosyl methionine. It is astounding what you can do to human beings by putting those raw materials. Has anybody ever done a study on people with paranoid schizophrenia to find out if they're lacking in all this? No doubt. Paranoid schizophrenia are the next level. You know, what's really interesting is I interviewed a Harvard physician on my podcast.

He was treating drug-resistant mental illness with diet, mainly keto diet. And he found that the beta-hydroxybutyrate, which is the ketone body, the main ketone body in this, and basic supplementation, fixing their methylation pathway. Meaning supplementing for methylation, poor conversion of certain chemicals. led to better behavioral changes than they were having in the drug-resistant mental illness.

And it's really fascinating because we don't like to think that nutrient deficiencies could lead to... serious mental illness. Could you just... Google methylation chart. Can I just show you a chart of methylation? The reason why I want to put it up here is because, and just click on any one of them once you put it up there. It's going to look like this complicated myriad. Just click on that one. So this is something I've committed to memory. The reason why I show a lot of people this chart...

is for what's not on here. So this is what we call methylate. This is the process that's going on 300 billion times a day inside of all of your cells. And you'll see tryptophan and tyrosine and phenylalanine and quinoa gas and lactic acid, cholesterol. You see all of this stuff. The reason why I show people this chart is because this is going on 300 billion times a day inside of your body, every minute, every hour of every day.

What you do not see on this chart is a single synthetic, a single chemical, or a single farm. So why is it that we think synthetics, pharmaceuticals, and chemicals could be the answer to deficiencies in this? So what happens if I just start wandering around this chart and I find something like serotonin? I go, wow, let me just, let me just.

serotonin is the main driver of mood i wonder how serotonin is made oh i actually in fact there's serotonin right there what is it made from just follow that arrow up oh it's made from tryptophan And what do I need in order to convert tryptophan to serotonin? I need 5-HTP.

I need thiamine. I need a complex of B vitamins. Could it be possible that a complex of B vitamins is stopping me from converting tryptophan into serotonin? Yes. And what happens if I can't convert tryptophan into serotonin? Serotonin drops. And if serotonin drops, I cannot assemble moods that require serotonin. So now I've been told I have a mood disorder and I have a nutrient deficiency. Look at this. Anxiety, ADD, ADHD. See that on there? Okay, what do we make dopamine from?

phenylalanine and tyrosine. What if I had a deficiency in phenylalanine or tyrosine? Oh, I couldn't make the neurotransmitter dopamine. What is dopamine? Dopamine is the main driver of behavior. Well, what happens if dopamine is low? Now I have an addiction. Why? Because the

Absence of dopamine is the presence of addiction. So could I have addictive behavior because I'm low in dopamine and not actually just addicted to nicotine, alcohol, drugs, promiscuity, gambling? Absolutely. And why is it that most... addictions have a tendency to shift and never really go away. been an addict or ever known a true addict.

Why is it that their addiction has a tendency to shift and not go away? Yeah, like some of them find a healthy thing to get addicted to, like running. Yeah. So alcoholics become workaholics. Workaholics become work-out-aholics. Right. compete amateur in long-distance triathlons, most of the guys that I raced with were recovering addicts of some kind. Some of the scariest guys I've ever trained with were former drug...

Because this is their new... They're fucking driven in a weird kind of crazy way. Why are they driven so hard? Well, some of them actually aren't. They've been to death's door and come back. The absence of dopamine is the presence of addiction.

And we never treat the dopamine deficiency. We only treat the physical addiction. So we get you off alcohol and now you're on, you know, Suboxone. You get you off Suboxone and now you're gambling. You're off gambling and smoking cigarettes. You're done smoking cigarettes. So a lot of the Alcoholics Anonymous people are smoking cigarettes and drinking coffee constantly. Now, why is that? Because they're chasing the dopamine deficiency. Rarely, if ever, did a true addict...

Wake up one day and just say, I want to get really banged. The majority of addicts woke up one day and said, I want to feel normal. And it was the search for normalcy. They smoked a cigarette. They felt normal. They took a drink and they could socialize. They were promiscuous and they kind of felt normal. They jumped off a fucking mountain in a squirrel suit and the rush of dopamine actually brought their dopamine level to normal. They actually felt calm.

15 inches away from death and so the deficiency in dopamine very often drives this and we label these people with mental illness We labeled them with mood disorders. But serotonin is a part of the recipe of mood. So if you said to me, what is a mood? What is an emotion?

I would say it's a collection of neurotransmitters bound to oxygen. So let's say that you said, okay, what's happiness? Okay, there's so much serotonin, so much dopamine, so much norepinephrine, so much norepinephrine. Boom, you put these together, you have the emotion. Well, what if I just took serotonin? Right. Like what if I went to a bakery chef and said, hey, chef, you can bake whatever you want. You just can't use butter.

And so I took butter out. It doesn't sound like a big deal. It's only one component. But think of how many recipes that would affect. Cookies, pastries, pies, brownies. Well, moods are no different. I say, Joe, you can be in whatever mood you want. You just can't use serotonin. So now any mood that you go to assemble that requires serotonin, you can't manufacture. So now you have a mood.

Instead of taking a step back and saying, well, why doesn't he have serotonin? Where's serotonin made? Well, serotonin is made in the gut. 90% of it's right here. So if you don't have it here, you can't. And so then why don't we go to the factory in the gut that makes serotonin? Where is the factory that turns tryptophan into the neurotransmitter serotonin? Well, it's in the gut. What is that done through a process called methyl?

You mean if I'm deficient in certain vitamins or nutrients, that methylation cycle is not working? I might not produce serotonin and therefore I might have a mood disorder? Yes. Am I saying that all mood disorders come from that? No. But there are so many things that come from this methylation cycle that are so potentially easy to fix with basic supplementation. You know, for two years... For two years in our initial clinic, my wife and I, in our doctor, we pulled blood work.

1,600 patients or so that came through our clinic. We pulled blood work and we pulled these basic biomarkers, CBC, CMP, lipid panel, hormone panel, and nutrient deficiencies. And then we also pulled this methylation. Looking at five genes of methylation. And you can get these methylation tests done anywhere. And we looked at these five genes. And then what we would do is we would solve with supplementation for the genetic deficiency and watch what happened to the blood.

you would see kidney filtration. you would see waste elimination, like people become more regular. You would see C-reactive protein, these non-specific markers of inflammation drop. You would certainly see things like homocysteine drop. People have very, very high levels of homocysteine. You supplement them with the right.

nutrients, a B-complex, something called trimethylglycine, and they start to break down homocysteine. And then all of a sudden, they're reporting that their blood pressure is returning to normal and have less frequent headaches. It is astounding to me how many people are just nutrient deficient. And don't accept that basic supplementation or, oh, we can get everything from diet bullshit. If you look at a soil lineage study from 1945.

In a soil lineage study right now, you would be astounded to see how depleted our food supplies or our soil is. Add processed food and all this other stuff to it. You don't stand it. You need basic supplementation. All human beings need the same things. We need two essential fatty acids. Essential means they're essential for life. You need nine essential amino acids.

So you can supplement with the nine essential amino acids in the morning. You can supplement with the two essential fatty acids. So make a three fatty acids like black seed oil or good mega fish oil. You can supplement with the minerals. So many of us are mineral deficient. And we don't realize the expression of mineral deficiency. Now, what is the best kind of minerals to take? Is it like chelated minerals? Is it colloidal minerals? I take one called Baja Gold Sea.

It's probably one of my other favorite biohacks because a bag of Baja gold sea salt, like a Celtic salt, will have all these trace minerals in it. A $15 bag will last you five years. It's dirt cheap. And you can take a quarter to a half teaspoon of this, put it in your drinking water. I'll throw a hydrogen tablet in there and some amino acids. Take that with a methylated multivitamin and take that with...

an omega-3 fatty acid, and you have all the bases covered first thing in the morning. And you don't have to take that with the vitamins with food? I would take the vitamin D3 with food. I would actually take all of that when... I would take the amino acids and the hydrogen and the... Sea salt on an empty stomach is fine. Whenever you're going to take your multivitamin and your D3, which is fat-soluble, I would take those with food.

So first thing in the morning, you just hydrated and mineralized the body. Just with a basic sea salt. Just hydrate and mineral. And there's a lot of good mineral. And the amino acids you take on them. Amino acids you take on an empty stomach. And those amino acids, those perfect amino acids, won't break a fast. They're non-caloric, or they have, I think, one calorie. But they won't break a fast.

And now you have all nine of the essential amino acids. You've got the majority of the essential minerals. You've hydrated yourself and you put... hydrogen gas into your to your blood you will feel the difference right you you you'll just feel it's a simple thing to do and it's such a simple thing to do um

And I get so much flack for telling people to do that. I'm like, this is just getting us back to the basic. Dude, it's crazy. It's just too many crazy people. Yeah, I'm going to have to start shutting it all off. Yeah, you have to.

It'll make your life a lot better. You know what you're doing. Yeah. Thank you. And people are listening. It's working. There's just too many people out there that are crying for attention. And one of the ways they get attention is by attacking people who are getting positive. Yeah. Yeah. That's a shame. Fuck those people.

Anything else we should talk about before we wrap this up? I think we covered a lot. People are going to have to review this and go back and forth. I love coming out here and chopping it up with you, man. I love having you on, man. I'll see you at the fights tomorrow, too. Yes, sir. I'm excited. Yeah, tomorrow's the weigh-ins, and then Saturday night's the fight.

I'm pumped. And by the way, dude, Joe Rogan on the Ultimate Human podcast. Yes, I did your podcast as well. Yes. Thank you. That was cool because we went down some rabbit holes, man. It was fun. The pyramids. Yeah, we talked about a lot of cool shit. Yeah, a lot of cool shit on there.

Well, thank you, Gary. Thank you very much for everything. I really appreciate you. Tell everybody your website, how they can get a hold of you. Sure. You can go to theultimatehuman.com. I have a VIP community there where all I do is... teach. I try to educate to inspire so that people will make a change. So you can join my VIP community there.

Discount on joining the VIP community. I'll send you a free box of each two tabs for joining up. Theultimatehuman.com. The podcast is The Ultimate Human. And just my name, Gary Barca. All right. Gary, you're the man. Thank you, brother.