#2219 - Donald Trump

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Barbara Walters gives you a big hug. They all loved you. They were all talking about how you're you might be you might be conservative in your financial positions, but you're very liberal socially. They were they were talking about you as such a favorable light. The audience was cheering. And then you actually started winning in the polls. And then the machine started working towards you. Yeah. But it's there's probably no one in history that I've ever seen that's been attacked the

way you've been attacked. And the way they've done it so coordinated. And systematically when you see those same people in the past, very favorable to you like Oprah when you want Oprah show. Very. She was encouraging you last week. I did one of her last shows. I think maybe Thursday or Friday. That was a big deal being on Oprah's show the last one. And I was like one of the last shows in that last that final week. And I said, boy, we've come a long way since since that. What was

it like? Well, the concept it was really like two different lives. You know, I had a very wonderful life, but I wanted to do this. The apprentice was still going very strong. We had 12 seasons. And we had actually 14 seasons 12 years over. We had a couple of. Well, they canceled the apprentice when you were running for president, correct? No, they had Arnold Schwarzenegger do it. I was involved in that. And I want I had enough of it. And we did great. It was doing great. But they wanted me

to stay. They all came to see me. They said, we're going to give you a contract. They wanted to extend my contract. Mark Bernad is a great guy. And they wanted to extend the contract. Mark said, you're crazy. Don't run. Don't run. Nobody gives up prime time. They said, you know, it's one of those little things, which is probably true. Nobody gives up prime time, though, for being president. For running, well, for running against 20 some art people, you know, turned out to be 18, 18

professional people, you know, mostly politicians. They said, who would do this? I mean, it's a long shot. Actually, the heads of NBC came over the Paul Telegney, all the top people came over to see me try and talk me out of it because they wanted to have me extend. The apprentice was doing well. So it was 14 seasons. It was 12 years. We had one, two seasons where we had a double,

which rarely happens. It was just a hot show. And I said, you know, I want to do this. What happened is previously, like three years, four years before that, they did a poll that had Mitt Romney. And somehow they put me in a poll. And I blew everybody away. I blew him away, which is in that heart, frankly, but I blew everybody away. And I said, that's interesting because I never really gave it that much real thought. I thought about it, but never real thought. But I saw these

polls were very good. And so I was thinking about doing it then, but I had a contract with the apprentice plus I was building two big buildings at the time. And I wanted to make sure they got finished up properly. And it's one of those things. The kids were just sort of getting involved. They're very capable kids, but they were getting involved early on. So I did that. I got them done. I had some very good successes. And I came on and then I thought about it for the next one after

the Romney disaster. And I ran in a one against Hillary. And it was quite an experience. But it was a different life because you're right. The view. I was on the view many, many times. And they loved me. Just the way people would talk. I mean, even if people had criticisms about you, people that didn't like you, there was always feuds and stuff like that. But the reality was the thing turned on you when they found out that you were going to be president. It was very

coordinated. And some people are catching on to that now. There's a lot of people that were long time Democrats like Elon and Bill Ackman and all these different very intelligent people. And they support me now. Bill Ackman supports me. It's very supportive. What does one I wanted to ask you? What was it like when you actually got in? Because nobody really can prepare you for that. When you're running for president, you don't really know what it's

going to be like when you actually get into office. What was the, what did you think? It was going to be like office or when I decided to run. No, when you got in, when you got in, so when I was in and one and was in the White House essentially. Well, first of all, it was very surreal. Oh, no, it's very interesting. When I got shot, it wasn't surreal. That should have been surreal. When I was laying on the ground, I knew exactly what was going on. I knew exactly where

I was hit. They were saying you were hit all over the place because it was so much blood from the ear. You would know that better than anywhere. When they get the ear torn up. There's bleeds a lot. Yeah. Anyway, so and I was thinking the other day, when that happened, I really knew where I was. I knew exactly what happened. I said, I wasn't hit anywhere with the, with the presidency. It was a very surreal experience. Okay. What's day one life? So when you get inaugurated,

totally shit on the president. Yeah, that's what happened. So I'm driving down Pennsylvania, Avenue. I just built a building on pencil. You know, the hotel, the old post office. It was, we called it Trump National Hotel. And we sold it to the World War Fistoria. And it was a wonderful thing. But I'm driving down and I'm passing the hotel. You've never seen so many

motorcycles, police, military. You know, it was a major thing. I got off really the first time I used Air Force One landed and we're coming down and they were, it was very, I mean, it was incredible. And we're going down Pennsylvania Avenue in the opposite direction. You know, normally you're just to go in one way and all of a sudden you're going the other way. The street was loaded up. And I wanted to go out and I wanted to waived everybody, but that wasn't smart. You know,

the kids, a little bit dangerous, right? I mean, when you watch like Kennedy and some of us, right? But I really felt, I don't know, the love was so crazy. And so I did get out of the car for a brief, you know, just for a very short walk. I thought it was very important to do. And Melania got out with a beautiful dress on that became sort of a staple. It was, people loved it. And Barron and we're walking down the street. But we're really got

amazing. We get to the White House. And now it's a little bit, a little bit before dark, beautiful. And we went up to the Presidents Quarters. They come to presidential quarters. And I'm standing in this beautiful hallway. You know, it's funny. Nobody ever talks about the White House as being beautiful inside. You know, you think it's going to be everything's going to be all metal doors and stuff. It's not. It's so beautiful. I made my money largely on luxury.

The hallway is like 25 feet wide. The ceiling heights are, you know, every, it's so beautiful. But I was standing there. And I said to the guys, I want to see the Lincoln bedroom. I had never seen the Lincoln bedroom. I'd heard about the Lincoln bedroom. And I was standing with my wife. I said, do you believe it? This is the Lincoln bedroom. I mean, it was like, it was, it was amazing. Because it's, look, if you love the country, but he or the Lincoln bedroom and the bed, you know,

he was very tall. He was six foot six, which then would be like, like Baron. Right. Would be like Baron Trump. He's six nine. But six foot six, he was very tall. They don't talk about that. He wore, there it is. He wore that. Yeah, there it is. It's a long bed, elongated bed. And because very, you know, people were shorter than you see some of the chairs are very, very low to the ground, actually. But he had the long bed. And they had, you had the Gettysburg

address right on that, right under that. You can't see it here. But right there, the original version of the Gettysburg address. And this is the original. And I'm looking at it. Just looked around. I said, do you believe this? Because I was never a politician. So even if you were a politician, but I was never a politician, it just, I sort of just started, right? And all of a sudden, I'm standing at the White House. And it was very, very surreal. That room was so beautiful

to me, much more beautiful than it actually is. You know, to me, when I looked at the bed, and the bed you could see was a little bit longer, had to be a little bit longer. He lost his son. And they suffered, the two of them suffered from Melancholia. They didn't call it depression. They called it Melancholia. And they suffered from it. He was a very depressed guy. And she was a very depressed woman, more so than him. And on top of that, they lost their son, whose name was

Ted. Ted. And it was just seeing it in the little pictures, a little tiny picture. I mean, you can't see the details there. Little tiny, everything in the way it was. A little tiny picture of Ted, who he lost. And it was devastating. And he was, you know, he was, look, he was in a war. He was, and he was having a hard time because he couldn't beat Robert E. Lee. Robert E. Lee won like 13 battles in a row. And he was getting like a phobia, like a fighter, you know, a lot about

the fight stuff. But like, I went to a UFC fight. And it was a champion who was 14 and one about a year ago. You would know the names. 14 and one. And the only guy he lost to was this one guy. But the guy that he was fighting was like almost just an average fighter lost numerous times. But he beat this one guy. So I said, okay, I really don't know who you're talking about. I will figure it out.

Okay. But about a year ago, but the point is that he lost, he wasn't nearly the fighters. But the one who was not nearly the fighter had beaten, he's the only guy that beat the, the champ, like five years before. And I said, I'll take the guy that won the other fight. And that's what happened. He beat him a second time. Sometimes psychological advantage. Yeah, where is this crazy thing? Lincoln had a, I don't know, I've never read this. I heard it from people in the White House,

who really understand what was going on with, with the whole life of the White House. But Lincoln had the Yips about, in a way, as the golfers would say, he had a phobia about Robert E. Lee. He said, I can't beat Robert E, because Robert E. Lee won many battles in a row. He was just beating the hell out of you. You know, they tried to get Robert E. Lee to be on the north. But he said, no, I have to be with my state, you know, the state was his whole thing. And he went to the south.

And he was, I've had generals tell me we have some great generals, the real generals, not the ones you see on television. The ones that beat ISIS with me. We defeated ISIS in record time. It was supposed to take years. And we did it in a matter of weeks. These are great generals. These are tough guys. These are not woke guys. But their favorite general in terms of genius was Robert E. Lee. It took a lot of strategy, strategically. He took a war that should have been over

in a few days. And it was, you know, years of hell of vicious war. And so here I am standing there. And again, I had never really done this before. You know, I ran a number of months before I won. I probably, I guess if you figured it, max it out, it would be a year, something like that. So I had never run for office. And I did well. I mean, I went into debates. We had 18 people, including me. And then slowly but surely they started to disappear. We had debates, good debates.

Everyone's aware of all the stuff. But what I want to get to is like, what was the experience once you got inside? It was just what did you think it was going to be like in terms of like your ability to govern? Yeah. Like this is your first experience governing anything. You never been a governor. You never been a mayor. Private private stuff business. But now all of a sudden you're inside the White House. The biggest thing was just that first moment of being in this hallowed,

it was really a hallowed place to me. It was surreal. To me, that was the experience. It was a surreal experience. And then with time that wears off, with time it becomes, you know, your place where you stay. And I was doing a lot of, I was, I had two things that I really focused on governing the country and survival. Because from the moment I won before I got to office, all of a sudden it, I mean, they came down. I mean, nobody has ever been treated that way. And you see that. I mean,

you see we're in the Washington Post very early on. They said, well, now the impeachment stuff starts. And it did. I mean, it literally started further beginning. So I had survival and run the nation. I had a combination. Most people don't have the survival. They get in. What did you expect though in terms of like once you got inside, you had to point all these people, like how many appointments to Jeff to make? Well, you have actually 10,000 appointments. Now,

they're different. You know, you have big ones and then they appoint a hundred people and 200 people. But the president really is is involved with approximately 10,000 appointments. So you'll appointed a secretary of state and he will, he or she will appoint a lot of people. So it's a lot. But in terms of major ones, you probably have like a hundred, but they're big ones. Treasury, state, military, and how did you know who to appoint? Well, I didn't. I had no.

You have. So I was there 17 times in Washington. And I never stayed over. According to the press, which I think is probably right over the years, I was only there 17 times. I never stayed over. So now I'm sitting there. I'm saying this place is gorgeous. But you know, I don't know anybody. It's like you, you know, you go to certain areas and other areas, they may be great. Washington was great. Washington's not so great. Right now they're going to we got to fix it. We're going

to make it better. The very dangerous place, very badly maintained place. We're going to make it great. We're going to make it better. We're going to bring it back. But I was in a Washington. I was a New York guy. I was a New York builder and I built buildings in New York and I knew that whole world, but I didn't know the Washington world too well. And all of a sudden you're supposed to be appointing top people. So what did you think it was going to be like? Versa, like, did you have any

ideas of what it was going to be like and what was different? Well, I was always involved in politics, but usually from the standpoint of a donor. I said donor. You know, I was a big donor. I gave money to politicians. I enjoyed politics. Mostly Democrats, right? Both really pretty much both. I actually pictures of Ronald Reagan and me when I was very young. You were a Democrat until like what year? I was a Democrat. I could get you the exact, but the

early 90s, the early 90s, I switched over eventually. Actually, they had a reform party. I was thinking about doing that for a little while, but then fortunately, I didn't because it's very hard. You know, it's a two party system. And anytime you hear third party, I know you like RFK Jr. and so do he's a fantastic. I do, but I thought that being independent was nonsense. It doesn't work. It doesn't work because even if you do great, you're not going to get Congress. In other

ways, you need now to say, okay, now I'll get half of Congress. I'm never going to vote for you. So even if you got there, which is very hard, and I know how you feel about Bobby, and I feel the same way, and he's now with us, but it doesn't, it's pure and simple. It's a two party system. Right. And somebody I won't mention his name, but somebody spent $250 million trying to get the nomination as a reform party candidate or whatever, and they got just nowhere. You get eaten,

you just get eaten. The system eats you alive. Right. So, uh, so it was, it was really somebody that not only was new to Washington, but was new to politics. So in, in the office of the presidency, over the years, all those presidents, you've had 92% were politicians and 8% were generals,

general Eisenhower, general Washington, right, general George Washington, he had generals. So it's 8% general, no admirals, 8% generals, and 92% politicians, you know, the politicians and they go, so they never had a business guy or they never had a guy that wasn't elected to an office. They were all like Ronald Reagan was really, he was a movie actor, and then he, but he became the governor of California for, I think two terms, and then he ran. So you'd never had a thing like this.

But I, you know, in terms of me and sometimes I'd use it as an excuse, and I don't like having excuses actually, but I'd use it as an excuse. I had to rely on people that I respected or liked, but that I didn't know that well because I didn't know them that well. Some of those people, I campaigned against because, you know, when you have 18 people, we had mostly politicians running in the election, you know, running in the primaries, and they got knocked out one by one, but I got

to like some of them, some of them I didn't like at all, and I don't like them now. And I'd rely on them, and I'd rely on other people. So all of a sudden people would come in, I'd like to recommend so and so to be secretary of state, and I'd have three, four people recommend. One thing I can tell you, everybody wants the position. Of course. No, no, but sometimes I'll hear a lot of people don't want to work with Trump because Trump is tough to work with, et cetera. Let me tell you,

everybody wants to be any one of these positions. They die for it. Of course. Now they don't want to be known. I mean, there's a particular guy in New York, primarily, very big, very big, very successful, very, very strong, very political, although he's not a politician. He'd give anything to be secretary of state, but if they ask him, no, I don't think I would do it, but in the meantime,

begging for it. Okay, begging. They all believe you. Everybody, look, everybody wants it. But my, my, my, my, my, my, my way, no matter what you do, every, but it's very dangerous to pick somebody outside of a politician because a politician's been basically vetted for years. Right. You pick a business guy and they've never been vetted at all and they're, you know, the head of a big company

or something, but they've never been vetted. You know, nothing about his personal life. You know, nothing about where he's been when you put him in, it's a little bit dangerous because all of a sudden they get checked up and you hear things that you're saying, wow, this is not going to work out too well. So it's very dangerous. Picking, picking people that are outside of politics is somewhat dangerous. So you're kind of stuck in a position we have to pick established people. Then the problem

with established people is established people already indoctrinated into the system. And there's lifts in many cases. Yes. There's survivors. I find that, you know, what do you mean by steps? We say stiff. A stiff, they don't, they don't have nothing, they have nothing or their smart. And so there was a congressman years before I ran and I was very close to him. And I needed a license on something and he was very important in getting the license. But it was

a little bit controversial. The license, this particular thing that was being licensed. But I was close to this guy and helped him and everything else. And I went to him. I said, I'd like to have you help. And he said, let me take a look at it. I said, oh, that's not too good. But I really hope you're going to help. And anyway, he tapped me along for a long period of time and ultimately didn't do it. And I said, you are a stiff. You could have done this thing so easy

et cetera. But it was controversial. He was in congress for many years, like 28 years. And you know, there's a reason when somebody's there for 28 years, you've got to be sort of smart. Right. I know. Yeah. Well, the guy was, and I realized he was a survivor. And so they never do anything controversial. They never take any chances to speak to their opinion. It's outside of the, yeah. And yet I don't disrespect him for so I actually respected the guy more in a way

in a certain way. I said, you know, you know what? He's been there like for 28 years. And he made it through. A lot of people don't make it through. It's a good way for non exceptional people to survive. Well, it is. Yeah. It certainly is. So you're, you're in there. You have 10,000 appointments you have to make like, so you're getting advice from people. And at one point in time, did you have a moment in time where you realize like these are bad choices, like some of these people

are shutting up hat in there. Oh, yeah. I think so. The one question that you'll ask me that I think you'll ask me that seem people seem to ask. And I always come up with the same answer. I, the one mistake because I had a lot of success, great economy, great everything was great. The military rebuilt it, biggest tax cuts in history. All this stuff. We did, we had a great presidency. Three Supreme Court justices. Most people get none. You know, you pick them young.

This way they're there for 50 years, right? So, you know, even if a president is there for eight years, well, sometimes they never have a chance. I had three. It was sort of the luck of the draw. But I will say that it always comes back to the same answer. The biggest mistake I made was I picked some people, I picked some great people, you know, but you don't think about that. I picked some people that I shouldn't have picked. I picked a few people that I shouldn't have picked. And

Neocons? Yeah, Neocons or bad people or just loyal people or people that were just bad. People that weren't. People that advised. Yeah, I mean, look, I mean, you reading about them a little bit today, a guy like Kelly, who was a bully, a bully, but a weak person, you know, you know more about bullies than anybody probably around because you deal in a certain sport where the bullies are exposed very quickly. But you know, he's bad. Bolton was an idiot, but he was

great for me because I'd go in with a guy like a John Bolton, you know, John Bolton. A friend of my call called me up. I was picking Bolton. He's a very smart guy. His name is Phil Ruffin. He's a very rich guy from Las Vegas. One of the, he's a great card player. He doesn't play cards, but he's a great player. You know, he's just a natural. He got poker sense, right? You know, good old poker sense. And Phil Ruffin is a very, very wise kind of a guy and very one of the

richest people around and has great success and understands people. So it was in that I was picking Bolton or a pick bulb. And he called up. He said, don't pick him. He's a bad guy. I've what now he was an apolitics. He's in various businesses. He said, he's a bad guy. He's just, it always works out bad with that guy. And I said, oh, man, I wish you told me this two weeks. I already hired him. You know, he's here. And, and he was right. But, but he was good in a certain

way. He's a nut job. And every time I had to deal with a country when they saw this whack job standing behind me, they said, oh, man, Trump's going to go to war with us. He was with Bush when they went stupidly into the Middle East. They should have never done it. I used to say it as a civilian. So I always got more publicity than other people. And I didn't, it wasn't like I was trying. In fact, I don't know exactly why. Maybe you can tell me. Oh, I could definitely tell you.

You said a lot of wild shit. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. It's a lot of wild shit. And then CNN in their all their brilliance by highlighting your wild shit made you much more popular. Yeah. And they boost you in the polls because people were tired of someone talking in this bullshit, pre-prepared politician, Lingo. And even if they didn't agree with you, they at least knew whoever that guy is, that's him. That's really him. When you see certain people talk, certain people

in the public eye, you don't know who they are. You have no idea who they are. It's very difficult to know. You see them in conversations. They have these pre-planned answers. They say everything. It's very rehearsed. You never get to the meat of it. One of the beautiful things about you is that you free-ball. You get out and you do these huge events. And you're just talking. We've highlighted you on the show many times. When you did this Biden impression,

when he's walking around, he doesn't know what he's doing. It's funny. It's stand-up. It's funny stuff. But it's like you, and you're making fun of Elon one time. You're doing an Elon impression. It's great. You have like comedic instincts. Like when you said to Hillary, you'd be in jail. That's great timing. But it's like that kind of stuff was unheard of as a politician. No one had done that. And I think you need at least the attitude of a comedian when you're doing this

business. This is a very dangerous business for us. It's a very tough business. It's the most dangerous business for a job. Yes. I mean, other than going far and being a firefighter or being a cop, it's the most dangerous business because being president is the most dangerous. Especially you. I mean, you haven't even got to the election. There's been two assassination attempts. And they've brushed those out of the news like it was nothing. They'd rather not talk about them. Imagine if

there was assassination attempts on Biden. How hard people would be attacking the right. How they would be trying to get guns taken away from people. They would try to ramp up gun laws. They would try to figure out some way to blame you. If there was a tax on it, if Biden got shot in the year, we would have never heard the end of it. But I think he's in good shape because it's only consequential presidents. If you take a look at what's happened, look, I'm for having countries pay

us billions and billions and trillions, even dollars. I took hundreds of billions of dollars from China. Nobody took intense sense. Not one other president. I do things that make it. I mean, that don't necessarily make me so popular. I just do what's right. And when you do that, you know, you're more, look at, look at Iran. Iran, we would have never had the attack on Israel at all. Iran was broke. I told China, if you buy, you can't do business in the United States under any

circle. I was going to, we're going to go cold turkey with China. Some people think that would have been a good idea. Anyway, but if you buy any oil, one barrel of oil from them, you're not doing business. I said that to many countries. Iran was broke. They had no money for Hezbollah. They had no money for Hamas. They had no money. But I make myself, you know, I mean, I understand what I'm doing. You make yourself a target. And it's a very dangerous business. But if you just look at

statistically, so I said, I said, I said, I think, I don't know, it's right. But one tenth of one percent for a race car drive. Yeah, it's pretty dangerous business, right? Yeah. One tenth of one percent for a bull rider. I tell you, to me, I talk to deaf. These guys that ride the bulls is worse than UFC. It's worse. Yeah. These guys say, you see these big monster bulls and you see it in slow motion where the foot is like, you know, an inch away from the head of it hits him. The

guy's gone, but they die. You know, they die. So one tenth of one percent died. Yeah. One tenth of one percent died. Right. And they certainly get hurt badly. I mean, they can't walk after a certain period of time. But, but with a president, if you look at the amount of ammunition and attempts to end attempts, no, it's a very dangerous position. I never thought of that by the way when I did it. I, you know, you don't, you don't tend to the, I don't just assume because people love you on the

apprentice. They were going to love you as a president. Well, they hit it with me so easily. You know, it's probably would have been if the media didn't attack you the way they did. If they didn't conflate you with Hitler. I mean, even today, like, Kamala was talking about you and Hitler, you're they're going to take what you said about Robert E. Lee. Oh, Donald Trump. He loves the South one. That's he loves Robert. They love to take things out of context and distort things.

But they don't even have to take them out. They make them up entirely. Okay. They do that too. But you know, it's interesting when you mentioned the, I was very popular and and all those people love me. I mean, this, some of these, these women, this episode is brought to you by Blinds.com. Do you know the right window treatments aren't just about privacy? They could actually save you some serious cash in your energy bills too. But is it really worth a hassle? It's a lot of waiting for

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not going to put it up. But if you watch the episode, it's bananas. It's like an alternative universe. And it's only nine years ago. Whoopie love. Love you. Gives you a hug and a kiss. And how about that other one? The new one on there. The one from my administration. She writes me a letter. You're the greatest president. She leaves. You know, she worked as like an assistant press secretary. I hardly knew her. But she leaves and she writes me this gorgeous

letter. What's her name? She was I don't even know. You know, she anyway, she was in the administration. She's on now currently sits in the far right hand side. Whatever the hell it name is. And and she writes a letter. The most beautiful letter. She's quoted in the paper. He's a consequential. He was the greatest president. Bob, Bob, Bob, then all of a sudden she goes to the view. She's not hitting the hell. Because they won't hire unless I've had many people go and see an

end. And they call it said, I don't know what to do. What they want to pay me a lot. But I have to be negative and you said be negative. That's okay. There are guys on like CNN. They won't hire them. Sean Duffy is a, you know, Congressman and he retired. He got a good job with CNN. But he was only positive about Trump. So they kept him. But they would never put him on. I mean, I respect what he did. He could have gone, you know, negative. I tell people go negative. Let my friends make the money.

Well, it's just so crooked. The press is so crooked. It's crooked. But it's also they're diminishing themselves. They're they are they're killing all their credibility. And it's opening up the credibility to new media. It's open up the credibility to independent media. All these the worst I've ever seen. And I've seen the worst. I've been I've been a part of it. I've been I've seen the worst. Kamala goes on 60 minutes, gave an answer that a child wouldn't give. It was so

bad. And 60 minutes took the answer out. They took the whole and they put another answer in it. They added it to something which didn't make sense either. But it was better. They took the well it wasn't editing. It was fraud. It was yeah. This was not editing. You know, editing is where I'll give an answer and they'll take a couple of words and change around or they might even take a sentence or two off which is very bad. But that's sort of bad. You know, I'd give an answer which

was a very good answer. I always talk about, you know, I like to give long the weave. You know, I like to. Yeah. You like to weave things. Yeah. But when you do the weaves and you have to be very smart to do with when you do the weave. Look at it. It's just in this one thing. We're talking about little pieces on here. No, no, it comes back home for the right people for the wrong people. It doesn't come back home and they end up in the wilderness, right? But but they can take

my answer. And you know what? They may take a little piece of it out or so. And they use the term yes, we won't the save time. Well, it's not right. But I've never heard. I think it's the biggest scandal in broadcast history. What happened to see a CBS? So you have CBS 60 minutes. That's a news program. It's not a net jatame or program. It's under their news. It's the head of their news thing. She gives an answer that was that shows that she's essentially incompetent. And they

took the answer. Could you imagine them doing that? We can show it. If you want people to see it. Can we show it? No, we're getting trouble. We'll get copyright strike. Okay. I'll end this in anyone can find it. But it's it's drastic. But what was interesting was the other full version was available initially. It was like a preview. They somebody made a big mistake. Somebody put that preview out there and put the preview out. Exactly. And then the bosses did this or that.

And then all of a sudden said we got a problem. Exactly. And then they got caught by mistake. Well, don't you think that's a bit to me? And don't forget this is election interference and fraud. And it's 60 minutes. It's their news division. So they give it a big deal. They give those licenses out. So for free, they should pay a fortune. They're worth a fortune. They give them out for free because they're using the public airwaves with cable. You don't have that. The cable's

different. But you know, it's just a different deal. But with the networks, they give those license. They're worth billions of dollars. They give them out free. But you have to be honest and all that was bad. I think that David Muir and that woman that was a side. I never even heard over it. But they kept interrupting me. It was like I said, how many people on my debating here? I got this one and I got you two. But he went after me 11 different times. You know, it's interesting.

I always thought he was a nice guy, but he's just like the rest of them, you know? Well, that's his job, unfortunately. And I'm sure you're right. Well, the problem was they fact checked you and they didn't fact check her. And one of those egregious examples of that was when she said that there is no troops right now deployed in war zones. There's a very famous viral video that went online of troops in a war zone saying, well, what the fuck are we then? Because there's thousands of them.

Dan Crenshaw, the congressman, posted on his Instagram all of the various examples of troops that are deployed thousands and thousands of troops that are currently deployed. Stupidly deployed. But the point is, if this is going to be an actual real debate and not a propaganda exercise, it's going to be a real debate. You have to fact check everybody. But if someone says when she thought there was no, which is also a problem. So it's one of two things. It's either it

was not true. It was a lie on purpose, which is terrible. Or it was the opposite. It was ignorance, which is also terrible. When I said crime is soaring. He said, no, no. Crime has gone down. I said, when did you hear that one crime has gone down? I mean, I'm debating with this guy. But I've had that. Well, there was a men did FBI statistics that came out after that that showed that crime had

gone up substantial. And by the way, the statistics were fraud. Because when they put out the statistics, they didn't include some of the worst places. They didn't include some of the worst cities, some of the most deadly places. But when the real numbers came out, I turned out to be right. But I haven't you turn out to be right. But then there's another problem. Unreported crime is way up. Because people have lost, look, the morale that the police department has in a lot of these

cities where they've done this defund the police bullshit. These the morality's poor cops. It's fucking horrible. It's the dumbest idea of all time. But what they've done is they've made these cops feel terrible. Like good cops. I think cops are just like everybody else. Most of them are great. It's like everybody else. But if you run into one carpenter and he does a shitty job in your house, he say, Carpenter's fucking suck. But they don't suck. Most of them are great. And that's the same thing

with cops. But the point is like they they did all of these things in this very foolish way. Right. And these cops are suffering the consequences of it. And so subsequently what happens is a lot of crime is unreported. A lot of crime like you call the cops. They're too busy. They can't let me get to your house cup broken into. Sorry. You know, you it doesn't even make a report. There's a lot of people that they just give up. It's so sad. What's happened? And I'll tell you what I

think. Go to police funerals. And we went to one in Long Island. I visited the family in Long Island. A very big deal. It's so dangerous. People don't roast the car. Dark windows. Pull over. He's a gentleman. Please pull over. Door opens. Guy comes out firing. Even if they were allowed to pull out their gun, which they're not, they can't, you know, pull in time. Yeah. They still wouldn't have time. It's every cops for a nightmare.

It they open a door. And he was killed. And his partner was hurt. He was killed. And you don't have, I mean, you don't even have an eighth of a second to think. And it is such a dangerous job. That in particular, think of it. You go up to a car. You don't know who's sitting there with a gun. And if they have a gun, you really don't have a chance. You're not allowed to have

your gun out. By the way, they have very strict rules. So number one, they're in it. But even if you could have your gun out, the door opens and a guy and bullets start firing out, you know, and especially where they have the dark windows, where they have the darkened windows, it is such a dangerous profession. And it's very hard to get cops now because they're not given any backup. And you're right, you can, you know, they have like an eighth of a second to

make a decision that's going to change their life. If they make the wrong decision, they're going to end up on the front page of every newspaper in the country. And they're going to lose their house and their pension and their job and their wife is going to be gone and everything's going to be gone. And there's another thing that people don't talk about. How many of them have PTSD? Probably most of them. Yeah. These guys are seeing people shot all the time. You know,

I've talked to a ton of cops about it. And you know, a lot of cops commit suicide. A lot of cops are deeply depressed. A lot of cops have seen that. They're dignity. We have to, we can't, we just have to give a back. You said it's so good. You never hear anybody say that you're never going to have it perfect. You're going to have a bad apple in everything in every profession. But

every time there's a bad apple that gets massive publicity and it it taints everybody. But it's also this very irresponsible thing where people say, defund the police, get rid of the police. You know, even Kamala Harris was a part of that. It's a, it's a very stupid way to look at it. What you should do is fund the police. You should have better training. You should have cops that feel more appreciated. You should have some, something that helps mitigate this PTSD that all of them

suffer through. She was a big part of defund the police. That was a big thing for her to fund the police. Always defund the police. What was it? It's a political idea. But anybody with that political thought, I don't think she'd be running for president. And I think people are getting wise to it. You know, we're doing pretty well. Now, I don't know, maybe in a week from now say, sorry about that. I was wrong, but we're leading everything. And I think we're going to have a very

good election. But I tell, because people are starting to get to know her, but she was defund the police. She was all these transgender operations. You know, if you wanted a sex change and you were in detention and you demanded a sex change, they would give you a sex change. Well, the wildest one is this idea of giving free sex change to illegal immigrants. That's right. In detention. And that is the wildest. Is that the biggest problem you have? He just walked here for Guatemala.

You need to become a girl. But she was in favor of it. So think of it. Now she changed. She changed 15 policies. In fact, I'm going to send her a MAGA cap. She stole your idea of no tax for tips. I came up with this idea that honestly, nobody ever heard of. Now it took her two months, but you know what? All of us caught fire. And she just put it into a little speech. Yeah. Well, if you can't, I think we have, I think we still have that issue. I think that issue is a good

word for it. But now we have a lot of good issues. You know, we had the the other day, think of how simple some of these things are. We're trying to get cars built in the United States. Detroit has been really tough. It's been a disaster. They have a huge factor, a huge car auto plant being built by China in Mexico, make cars, sell them in the United States, put everybody out of business. Right? Here we go again. I said, if that plant is there, when I'm president, I will put 100 or 200%

tariffs on every car, they'll be unsalable in the United States. And they just announced they're not going to build the plan because they think I'm going to win. Think of it. They're not going to build the plant. This was the biggest plant in the world. It would have more than all of Michigan makes. That's how big. You know, this is what we're getting to. And I said, if that plan goes up, I want them to understand if I win, I'm going to tax those cars at the rate of 100 or 200% of

the other companies so that you won't be able to sell them in the United States. They just announced they're not going to build the plan. Yeah, I read this. I did a big favor for our country by doing that. And I'm not even there yet. To me, the most beautiful word, and I've said this for the last couple of weeks, in the dictionary today, and any is the word tariff. It's more beautiful than love. It's

more beautiful than it is. It's the most beautiful word. This country can become rich with the use, the proper use of tariffs. It'll keep you just float out the idea of getting rid of income taxes and replacing it with tariffs. Well, okay. We're serious about that. Yeah, sure. But why not? Because ready, our country was the richest in the eight relatively in the 1880s and 1890s. A president who was assassinated named McKinley. He was the tariff king. He spoke beautifully of tariffs. His

language was really beautiful. We will not allow the enemy to come in and take our jobs and take our factories and take our workers and take our families unless they pay a big price and the big price is tariffs. And he'd speak like that, but he was right. And then around in the early 1900s, they switched over stupidly to frankly, an income tax. And you know why? Because countries were putting a lot of pressure in America. We don't want to pay tariffs. Please don't you? You know,

they believe me. They control our politicians. If you look at the kind of numbers that these guys make, then and now, but we had a commission meeting in the eight, I think it was 1887. Think of this problem. We were so rich, we had so much money. We didn't know what to do. So they set up a blue ribbon commission on tariffs. And the sole purpose is what to do with all the money we had. We were so rich because we were taxing other people for coming in and taking our jobs.

And China does it. That's what China did. If you want to open a factory and sell cars, if you build a factory here or have a factory, they don't take our cars. They wouldn't take our cars. But if you build a plant in China, you can do that. Elon did that. By the way, Elon is great. That guy is such a great guy. I think you're a fan of Elon. He is from a different planet. He's the greatest guy. That rocket coming in. I told the story once or twice. So you may have heard it

because he speeches have been good. Did you see the one last night? Yeah. 29,000 people. That was it. And the one the night before was the same thing. We are we are rocking and rolling. But but Elon, and I'm talking to this very important guy. I say, wait a minute, I'm looking at something. The television's unmuted, right? And I see this rocket sold brown from the heat. You know, it cuts. Uh-huh. 10,000 degrees pouring down at thousands of miles an hour. And I see this thing.

You know, it's like a 20 story building and it cuts and I say to this guy is an important guy. Wait a minute. Let me just put you to hold it. I got to see this. And I see this and it's going to crash. I say it's going to crash into the gantry. They call it a gantry. I said, oh man, that's going to be a disaster because it's starting to get very close. And then all of a sudden, you see the flames and about a rure in a boom. And then you see the two arms grab it.

Crazy. And I forgot the guy. I had him on the front. No, I said, uh, no, I called Elon. I said, was that you? He said, that was me. And I said, who else can do that? He said, nobody rush. You can't do it. The United States. Nobody can do it. You know, I set up space force. That was me. And that's the first time in 82 years that we opened another branch since the Air Force. And that's going to be one of our most important things. But think of what

Elon does. And he did one other thing that I never heard of it. It's, uh, Starlink. I went down to North Carolina, Georgia, the different places. Right there. I followed it right down. And they had no communication. The polls were all knocked down. Everything. And one of the guys in North Carolina said, could you do me a favor? Do you know Elon Musk? Yes. He endorsed me. By the way, he gave me the nicest endorsement to this. The tougher he said, the country's going to

fail. You should do the same thing, Joe, because you cannot be voting for Kamala Kamala. You're not a Kamala person. I know you. I've watched you. I know him better than he is. You know what? Without speaking to you, I think I know you may be almost as well as your wife. I have watched you for so many years. You're not a Kamala person. You're a cabeeb person, but you're not a Kamala person. Nobody's going to know who cabeeb is. But he was, he was not, he was not bad, right? That

kind of, he was phenomenal. But that's your kind of person. Your weave is getting wide. You know, I would, but isn't, I want to bring back to tariffs. But wait, one said before we finished with tariffs, they just, so they said, they said, could you get him? We need starlink. And I call Elon. He got it for him so fast, saved so many lives. And I said, how was it? They said, better than the wires, you know, they couldn't put them in. They were all, they were all gone.

So get him out. I used it recently in Utah. It's what? Did you find a good? Oh, it's phenomenal. It's the size of a, like, a iPad. He just set it down on the ground. He got high speed internet. It's incredible. We're spending just to show you, we're spending a trillion dollars to get cables all over the country, right? Up to upstate areas where you have like two farms and they're spending millions of dollars to have a talk about the 40 to $2 billion that was wasted on this internet

access program that you know, they didn't get anybody. They haven't hooked up. They haven't hooked up one person. Not one person. They spent 42 billion dollars. They could have gotten star links to everybody with that kind of money for almost nothing. Yeah, for a monthly charge. It would have been incredible. And it's nice to be internet everywhere you want to go. And he wanted to do that. And he wanted to do it. How about this? They built the charger stations,

right? In the Midwest, Midwest, they built eight of them. They cost nine billion dollars. That's like a gas pump, right? They built nine gas pumps except electricity comes out. They spent nine billion dollars. Three of them don't work. The whole thing. There's so much waste. I could sit here and tell you about things that there's so much waste, abuse and fraud. Oh, there's, yeah, I'm sure.

I mean, I think everybody's aware of that now. Let's get back to Terrence. When you're talking about one of the criticisms of your administration was with tax cuts and with tariffs, you increase the deficit. So was the strad, what was the strategy behind that? And did you think it was going to increase the deficit by a substantial amount? Okay. We were ready to rock. It was all, you know, I had a bad system. We had horrible tax policy. I made it great with a much lower tax rate. So I

took it from almost 40% down to 21%. Now I'm bringing it from 21 down to 15. But only if you make your product in the United States, which is great. People call me this at what a great idea. Nobody ever heard of that before. I don't care if they make the product in Japan. Why should I give them? So it's a 21 that at 21 in the first year, we took in much more revenue than we did at almost 40. Think of that. It inspired. Now we had other things too. We were able to get people to

bring back their money. You couldn't, you couldn't bring back your money. If you had money in Europe, like Apple, Apple had many billions of dollars outside. They couldn't bring it. There was no way to bring it back in the bureaucracy, the documents, all thing. And also the tax was too high. You know, they wanted like half of it or something. Nobody's going to do that. So they leave their money in Japan and they spend their money there. That was part of what I did. The money came pouring

back in. Apple took in hundreds of billions of dollars. They brought it back from overseas. They brought it in. So how does the deficit increase because of that? So what happened is this we were ready to rock and roll and then we had the COVID thing and we had a focus on that. And if we didn't give some businesses ahead, they would have all, you would have had a depression like in 1929. But we were ready to start. We were going to, we would have very shortly been paying off debt.

You know, we have $35 trillion in debt. And I'll never forget it. We were, it was talking about from, you know, the standpoint of being in office. I'm in the over office and I have John McLaughlin and Fabrizio, the two very good Paulsters probably, I don't know, I would say the two best who knows, but very good Paulsters. And we're starting to think about running for a second term. And we had the greatest economy in history. It never has they been an economy. And you attribute that

to lowering taxes. Yes. A lot of tariffs. Two things. And also I cut regulations more than anybody else. And if I asked many of the businessmen, you know, from the big companies, you know, the guys running the big companies, let's say, so if you had your choice, you've had it now for a long time. What's more important to you, the tax cuts, you paid less tax or the regulation cuts. Every one of them said the regulation cuts meant more. Who would think that, right? Because you

don't equate it to dollars, but it actually has more dollars. We had it going and then we just had a focus on something else. But there was some of you, these two, these two Paulsters were sitting there. And they said, sir, if George Washington came back and Abraham Lincoln was his VP, as opposed to Waltz, how bad is he, by the way? But if Abraham Lincoln was his VP, they couldn't beat you. You have a, and I'll never forget it the following day, they said, something's

happening in China, sir. Could we meet, I said, what's happening? People are dying. And it was all around the Wuhan lab, by the way. There are pictures with little lines, their body bags, all around the Wuhan lab. And I always said that from the beginning, Joe, was, you know, they tried to say, first I said it was France and they blamed everybody. But then they say it was Batsroom a cave, 2000 miles away. So we got hit with that. And despite that, we had the best economy. And

when I gave it over the stock market was higher than it was pre-COVID. I mean, nobody could even believe it. But we saved it. And we were helping businesses. They were dying. You know, they were going to be. So it's your belief that if you had a second term, given the policies in place, the way the economy was booming, that you would have been able to pay off a lot of the debt.

And that was the strategy. We didn't have COVID. We would have been paying off debt. And we would have had, and don't forget, by growth, the word growth is actually more important in a way, because you could have the same debt. But if you double your growth, all of a sudden you're underlevered. But still, we should pay off debt. You know, if you viewed this 35 trillion dollars right now,

it's a lot. But if you look at the asset value, if you looked at it purely as an asset value, we have oil underground, we have water, we have mountains, we have the, I mean, the assets are so enormous. But regardless of that, we've got 35 trillion in debt, we should pay it off. And we would have started paying off debt and probably even giving further, given further tax reductions. I want to get it down to 15%. We're going to do more business. But when you get hit with a COVID,

everything stops. And you have to keep these businesses alive. The businesses were dying. I mean, they were just dying. This whole place, this country was going to die. Are there influences outside of environmental that keep people from wanting to drill for oil and frack and do those sort of things outside of the environmental concerns, which are legitimate of course. But are there other influences that may be overexcentuated or overexaggerated these environmental effects?

Are people being influenced in a way where they're trying to keep us from producing American oil? Yeah. Yeah. So the environmental is the biggest tool for stopping growth, the biggest tool. The other is regulation. And if you speak to Elon, he said the regulation now to send a rocket up to anywhere, even if you do everything, it's almost, it's becoming impossible. But they use

environmental in order to get people not to do anything. And sometimes I say, you know, I look at some of the, I know the environmental is so better because I had to build buildings in New York. I had to build, I had to do environmental impact studies. And I would see some of these guys that had higher for a lot of money, environmentalists that would get you through the process. And they'd be up in Albany. That's the capital of New York. And they're up there trying to make it tougher

for guys like me that were builders because they get paid more money. In other words, I had one guy highly recommended, you know, I was good at getting permits. I was one of the kings of guy. I was always very good. But the environmental stuff was always horrible. They could slow a project down 10 years, 15 years. I had a project in Louisiana built big LNG plant. It was for 14 years. It was going to cost 18 billion, 18 billion dollars. One of the biggest, like the Empire State

probably laying down on side times four, massive than the coast on the Gulf Coast. And they said, sir, they're going to give it up. I said, that's, they shouldn't give it up. What's the problem? They can't get their environmental. They had environmental permits that would fill this whole room up to the ceiling. And they said there was one mistake on one little line. They wanted to do it all over against it. It's not going to happen. And I got them that permit instantly. And they built

the plant. It's massive. So when you're saying that there's people that are making money by making it difficult. Yeah. Are you talking about lawyers? No, I'm talking about environmental consultants and lawyers. Environmental consultants profit off of dragging out the process. How do they probably do the same thing about with them to be honest with you? How do they do that? How do they

make it? They go, let's say in New York, they go to Albany. Okay. And they convince people that if you have a certain type of plant on the ground that's this big and in theory, valueless that it's a rare plant and you cannot ever even touch it. You can't go near it. You can't put a building on it. You can't do anything. Or there's a little puddle and they call it a lake. And you have to go by the standards of a lake. I said, no, no, that's a puddle. Oh, you have no idea.

Guys are filling a little puddle. You have no idea what they do. And so they use it as a way to stop you. They use it as a way to stop you and also as a way to generate money. I'm curious how they're generating money that way though. Well, they get fees. They get fees. Massive fees. And pay these guys. People rely on them as experts because they're the people that they go to when they have to run these studies in the first place. But some of them are just bad guys and they're trying to

make it more and more difficult. And they have a lot of power. Yeah, I think they maybe had more. They didn't have as much with me because I would get through them and I understood it. Look, I've had I've done so many in right. They call it environmental impact study. I did so much to build a building to build a building in New York is very tough. You got to be very you got to do

with think of it financing unions all the municipal stuff environmental of all of it to me. The toughest thing was the environmental because they could stop you cold with the environmental impact study stuff. And and you do you hire a so called expert. They say, sir, he's the one guy. He can get you through the meresse. It's a meresse. It's horrible. They use it as a weapon. They use it all over the country. Right, but there are legitimate concerns about environmental impact. Correct.

Like look about the BP oil spill. There's a lot of things that do happen that are environmentally devastating. Yeah. And you want to mitigate that as much as possible. You do. Look, I had during our four years, we had the cleanest air and the cleanest water. I view it differently. I say air and water. Remember this. It costs much more to do things environmentally clean. China doesn't do anything. Right. When Carrie goes to see President Xi a China, which he probably doesn't even get

to see him, but they look at him. Oh, yes, yes, we will do. Oh, yes, yes. We're going to do that. No more call. No more call. Just and then they approve 58 coal plants for the next, you know, every they build a coal plant a week. Okay. They build a lot of coal plants. We've let me just say, so here we are cleaning and scrubbing everything and everything's got to the years got to be pure. But in 3.8 days, that stuff floating over China is right over the top of us. Right.

Same thing with the oceans. They dump their garbage into the Pacific Ocean. If you take a little cork and put it there in about a week and a half, it'll be in front of Los Angeles. We're picking up their garbage. So nobody ever talks about that. But in a way, the bigger one is even the air. It's the currents. It's an amazing thing. It's been flowing that way for a million years along before we share with the whole world. Yeah. No. If we get the Sahara dust clouds over here.

Absolutely. We get dust clouds in Austin from the Sahara Desert. But we get the China, you know, they go out the China curse. We get the China curse. They're better and their air is dirty. You know, when I went there, I had a great relationship with President Xi. We got along very well. And they treated me better than anybody's ever been treated. Same thing with Saudi Arabia. A number of them. But they laid it out. And I said, this air is good. Do you know, they closed

every factory one week before I got there from within 200 miles. That's like what Gavin Newsom did when Xi Jinping came to San Francisco. He cleaned it up. He got rid of all the old ones. He was terrible to think, you know, he cleaned it up and then it became a pig's eye. Well, the dumbest thing is he said when your friends come by, when you have visitors, you clean up your house. Like, how about just keep your fucking house clean? Can you imagine?

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of anybody say ever as a governor, as to excuse to why you finally cleaned up your homeless problem. And the day he left, right back. It went right back. Yeah. But in a way, that was a bad thing that he did because he showed what a disgrace that was. What a disgrace. Well, this is the thing that like shows you how foolish a lot of these people that are running these cities think a lot of these people that are running these states think.

It's it's foolish. Like you, you're insulting the intelligence of the people that live in that city that are impacted by these people just camping and needles and human feces. There's a an app that you can buy. There's an app that you can get rather that will show you where the human feces has been documented in San Francisco. It's a poo app and it's everywhere. It's just bum crap everywhere. But let me give you one that you may not know. Okay. Which I think you know

everything actually as a student as a student of yours. But but water, you know, and most angeles you can't get proper amounts of water. Right. And it's unbelievably expensive. And you might have a house in Beverly Hills. And they're actually thinking about rationing water. Can you believe it? I can believe it. And I was in I was in the farm court country with some of the congressmen were driving up highway. And I say, how come all this land is so barren. It's farmland.

And it looked terrible. It was just brown and bad. I said, but there's always that little corner that's so green and beautiful. They said, we have no water. I said, do you have a drought? No, we don't have a drought. I said, why didn't you have no water? Because the water isn't allowed to flow down. It's got a natural flow from Canada all the way up north of water. More water than they could ever use. And in order to protect a tiny little fish, the water up north gets

routed into the Pacific Ocean. Millions and millions of gallons of water gets poured. You get to see this. We're driving up and I had never seen it before. It's the most it's like Iowa. It's the most fertile land. I was blessed with great land. I'd hope for a potato, right? But these there just by the way, you know, some land is good for a potato. Some land is good for corn. It's the craziest thing. I love the farmers. They're the greatest. And by the way,

they're getting killed right now. They are. They're getting killed because of the stupid administration. But so I see this and I said, you got to be kidding. I said, you mean you have water. And I looked at it. It's like a valve in your sink except it's massive. The things five times total than you see like, did you know the center of California was a giant lake? They have so much water. You ever see what it looks like before they reroute that? The center of

California, like was it 200 years ago? How long ago did they do that, Jamie? The center of California had a fucking enormous lake in the middle of California. Where they dumped it into the Pacific. Who knows what they did. But whatever foolishness that they did led to the situation there and now think of those dry forests that burned down all the you know the head of Austria. Tulare Lake or Tachi Lake. It's a freshwater lake in the southern San Joaquin Valley United States

historically. Tulare Lake was one of the largest freshwater lakes west of Mississippi. Show a photo of what it looked like back then. That's a great sense. So that's what it looked like. Look at that image. Now the one go to the one on the third from the right. Yeah. Yeah. That was an enormous lake in the middle of California. Imagine that. That'd be much more valuable. How crazy is that? Oh my god. How crazy is that? So what did you look like in human beings? Screwed that?

No, they let it go into the Pacific and then they... I don't know what they did. What did they do that? How did it go missing? Well, they said they drained it. They drained it. 19? 1983. Oh my god. It went dry a handful of times. Oh, when dry a handful of times. Well, you know, lakes do go dry, but that's a big one. But think of it. Big one to go dry. You could have all of the water you need. All of that land would have more water. The whole thing could be like

that little patch. Yeah. Literally. I'd say I was with Devon known as a Congressman and other Congressman were going up. I was visiting that because they asked me to go up and visit their territory. And I did. But I kept saying, look at this land. It's beautiful, but it's so dry. And I thought they were going through like a desert, like a drought. They said, no, we have water, but it gets re... So I looked into it. What is the fish? And I got it done. I got it done. I could

have water for all of that land. Water for your forest. You know, your forest had dry as a bone. Yeah. Okay. Dangerous. That water could be routed. You know, you could have everything. Not only dangerous. Billions of dollars a year they spend on forest fires. And you know, there's a case with the environment. They're not allowed to rake their forests because you're not allowed to touch it. When a tree falls down, after 18 months it becomes very dry. It's like, you know, like real

firewood. It's bad. You know, a tree that's up. These are all things I learned at the hard way, the easy way. But when a tree is up, it sucks water. It's wet. I went to that the har... They had a couple of horrible forest fires in California. And I went, I said, you know, you had a lot of tree standing. Yes, they were healthy trees, sir. I said, with this intense heat, you could see they were charred a little bit on the bottom, but they were going to be all right

because they're soaking wet because they suck up the water, right? But when they fall, they're like, you know, it's like lighting a match. And you got to be able to clean, they call it maintain your forest. So I was with the head of Austria. He said, you know, it's a shame. I see all those forest fires in California. And all they have to do is clean their forest, meaning rake it up, get rid of the leaves, get rid of... You know, leaves that are sitting

there for five years and then... We'll certainly get rid of the dead fall. And get rid of the trees that have fallen at that, you know, or like, so many things this country, by the way, I've had a whole forest though. I don't think you could rake the whole forest. I think you can get rid of the dead fall, but raking all the leaves. You could certainly get rid of the dead, okay? Yeah, I think that's the real issue. You know, environmentally, they don't want to do that. They don't,

they said, you know, it's got to be nature and all this stuff. But in the meantime, this is exactly but you could have. So it was the Department of Commerce that needed the approvals, but Gavin Newsom had assigned him. I got it all done. Nobody could believe it. It was all done. I said, I got it. You got so much water, all you have to do is sign. And that guy didn't want to sign. Did he not want to sign because that would be a political victor for you? I think no, he didn't,

no, I don't think so. You know, he used to say he's a great president that we got along, we did. We actually got along at that point, but I think somebody said you just can't continue to call him a great president. You know, they do say that, but we had it all done. He didn't sign, and then we got on to other things. And I, every time I go to California, you have so much water. They don't know it. I'm telling you, people living in Beverly Hills, they turn off the water,

same thing with the electric. They want to go to all electric cars, but they have brownouts every weekend, you know? Well, right after they made the announcement that as of 2035, you're not going to be able to buy an internal combustion engine in California. Like within a month, they had some announcement asking people to not charge their Teslas. Because the grid couldn't handle it. Well, how are you going to do that? I will terminate the

mandate of media. This is a mandate that will be done. I would say in my first day, maybe two days, because you know, let me ask you about nuclear. One of the things that when I've talked to people that have a real understanding of nuclear power, what their position is, it's probably the cleanest, safest form of electricity that we could generate, and that the fears of nuclear power are really about a few disasters, the Fukushima, through my island. These are old systems, and they're

much more capable now, and they're capable of making even better systems. But it's a difficult, political issue, because you think nuclear power, you think Chernobyl. That's what everybody does. They have this connection. They're the potential for the disaster. We're Fukushima. We're not supposed to enter the land for 3,000 years. I think it's worse than that. I think that

area is going to be radioactive for probably longer than you could imagine. But the point is, they're better at it now, and that they could do it now, and you can generate power in a way that you don't have to worry about these. One of the most ridiculous things is electric cars being powered by coal-fired plants. It's a ridiculous thing. So what's happening? Yeah, that is what's happening. People want to think they're being green, but it's... Well, you look at the way the battery's

been, but here's the other thing. We don't have... Well, we do, actually. It's being held. We have certain areas where we have great raw earth material, and we're not allowed to use it because of the environment. We have areas in California that have incredible raw earth, and they're not allowing, and I'm going to open it up. I'm going to let it use it. But how do you do that? Shina, how do you do that and protect the environment? Because the environment is going to be protected. You

can do it. You can make a lake out of it. Okay, we'll put back a lake. I mean, something nice about lakes. You can do things magnificently. You just have to do it carefully in response. Yeah, but you have to do it. Absolutely. You have to do it carefully, but the problem, you know, China has all of those areas, most of those areas, and yet when they say go electric with the cars, China is going to be the

one that gives us the cars. All of those guys in Detroit are going to be out of business. You're going to make your electric cars over there. We have a thing called gasoline, and we have more oil and gas under our feet than any other nation. You know, I had in Alaska, there's a find. It's called anwar. I got it approved. Reagan couldn't get it. Nobody could get it. I got it all done. It was amazing. They were getting ready to start drilling. The equivalent they think of Saudi Arabia,

one of the biggest finds in the world was all set to go. And Biden comes in. His one of his first orders were we're not going to use it. It would have been so good for the we could have supplied all of Asia with oil and gas. What was the was the negative money? Right. The negative was politically. They didn't think it was good for them. That's all that's all it was. So you don't think that it's environmentally dangerous. Taken it from way down deep in the earth, environmentally

would have been fine. So it can be done responsibly. Oh, the one where protects the environment. Well, I think windmills. Okay. So they talk about windmills. I think windmills are really disruptive. When you talk about the environment, they killed the birds. You want to see a bird cemetery go under a windmill someday that hasn't been cleaned out with all the bird carcasses. You massive amounts of birds. Massive isor. I went to a ranch in South Texas. We had a drive past

this enormous windmill farm. It's gross. It's dystopian. You're looking in the left and the right. All you see is these big spinning machines that aren't even that effective at generating electricity. Most expensive form of electricity is a windmill. And then they start to rust and rot. And you have to replace them. And then they get abandoned by the people that built them because. Well, you have to get rid of all that material too. When you replace those blades, now you have a problem because

you have to dispose. Right. You have to dispose. These are enormous windmills. And how do they say you can't bury them? So I even question that, but I'm not going to get into it. But they say you can't bury the blades. So you have the blades and you can't bury the blades. You can bury the blades. It's not going to matter. You can bury the you'll find areas you can bury. But they come up. This is what I mean. They come up with this. But the environmentalist dream is windmills. You know

what happens to them? After five years, they start to rot. After 10 years, you have to replace them. Did you have a look at certain parts of California where they have heavy windmills and they've been abandoned and they're all different manufacturers in all different companies than they were? I haven't seen that. It is the ugliest thing. It looks like a graveyard almost, a graveyard of windmills. It's pollution. It's so bad. It's put it is it's no ocean. It's no different than leaving

garbage on the ground. How about in New Jersey or the coast of New Jersey? They want to build that people are going crazy not to build them. But we have them. The whales are washing up on shore. So in 50 years, they had one whale come ashore. Now they had like 18 come in the last year. What is the what is happening with the whales? I've read about this. Well, they say that the wind drives them crazy. You know, it's a vibration because you have those. You know, there's things that

50 story building some of them. Right. And they're super sensitive to vibrations. They have those these you know, the wind is rushing. The things are blowing. It's a vibration and it makes noise. You know what it is? I want to be a whale psychiatrist. It drives the whales fricking crazy. Yeah. It's something happens with them. But for whatever reason, they're getting washed up on shore. And you know, and yet the environment is ignored by the environmental. But the environment

I don't talk about it. Right. I think there's nothing uglier. I see it in Scotland. I see it all over the world. You have this beautiful valley. It's been there for, you know, in civilization, thousands of years, but millions of years. And all of a sudden you have these ugly windmills up. Would your plan to be replaced out with nuclear? What would you do? Well, nuclear is better. I mean, I think there's a little danger in nuclear. But you know, we had some really bad nuclear. They

did one in Alabama. They did one in I think South Carolina. They do them wrong. They build these massive things. Then the environmental is getting. It's I don't want to go into a long story because it's too long for the show. This show is too valuable to talk about concrete. But they have hardened concrete. It's number 12 concrete. It's a heart is it's harder than steel. It's incredible. They put up a wall and inspect it comes along those. No, no, no. Your court of an

inch. The wall might be eight feet wide. Your court of an inch too short. I'm sorry. You got a rip down the wall. You got it because you got to be poured contiguously. Right. Your one quarter of an inch, I'm sorry, rip down. You can't rip it down. This stuff you can't put a hammer through it. You can't it's it's incredible. Concrete technology is unbelievable. What you know what's happened? You think of. So you think that's an example of over regulation. Yeah, pointless.

Well, we have an inspector that comes along and he says, take down a 25 resilient dollar wall. These things ended up costing 25 billion dollars. And they one of them never got opened. But here's the story. So France does it. France is largely nuclear. And they build small little compact plants. And if they need more, they build the same thing and they hook it up and they hook it up.

Because they get too big and too complex and too expensive. And it is very clean. They say it's it's absolutely, you know, my uncle, I had a great uncle who was a great genius, just like other members of my family. But he was a professor at MIT for I think 41 years. He was the longest. So when I was in the White House, the head of MIT Princeton and Harvard came down to meet me. And the MIT person said, I have a book on your uncle, Dr. John Trump. He was our

longest serving professor. He was a great genius, sir. Do you know how? And he had, he knew everything about nuclear from math to chemistry to nuclear. He knew it. And he said, someday it's going to be the way to go. But the problem is so dangerous in terms of war. He said, Donald someday, this was a long time, Uncle John, Dr. John Trump. He said, someday you'll have a little satchel at your side and you're going to a building and you'll be able to blow up New York City. I said, Uncle John,

that'll never happen. He's right. He's right. Well, that was a powerful problem with giving nuclear power to other countries, right? Like, that was the problem that happened with India and Pakistan. They got nuclear power and then they were able to weaponize it. The biggest problem in the world today is not global warming. It's nuclear warming. And we have idiots that are negotiating for us. We have a guy that doesn't make it past four o'clock. And it's not because of age, you

know? I know so many guys in their late 80s and they're better than, I said to one guy, I think you're smarter than you were 25 years ago. I've known him a long time. He's 89 years old. He's sharp. I mean, he's great. Biden gives people a bad name because that's not an old, that's not an age. I think they said because I'm three or four years younger, you know, I think that's why they say, they say his age, it's not a sage. He's got a problem. Two major brain surgeries. He did. He did.

Yeah. Those are not good operations. And just see what he did today. He went running towards the camera and made some apology to Native Americans. And he said that's why he's headed out west. Like he's off the reservation, so to speak, for lack of a better term. You know, it's interesting because during the debate, I was looking over. I'm saying, this is strange. It's just like strange things were happening. Yeah. But he couldn't keep it together.

But do you think they knew he couldn't keep it together? I think that they wanted, is that why, like historically that debate was earlier than they've been in the past, right? I think they wanted to get, well, there's a lot of theories. A lot of people said, do the debate now and we'll get him out. Right. I think that maybe could be. Well, that is what happened. It's a lot of people said, do the debate now and get it over with. I don't think anybody thought

he was going to get out really. I didn't make any sense. The debate, the debate got him out. But I think it's very unfair. Look, you have a bad debate. His numbers went down. But I think she's not doing very well right now. And I think she looks. Why won't I get to that too? Because it's hard to know. Like the whole poll thing is very bizarre for most people because most people don't answer polls. So they read the polls. You have a poll. I was never called by a poll system.

If I did, I wouldn't answer. I'm busy. You know how polls are done. Oh, I'm going to get my statement trouble. But so I really don't believe too much in him. So well, 2016 taught a lot of people about the ineffective. Well, they were very effective because I thought I was doing well. I'd go to a place and I'd have 30,000,000 people. Hillary would go. They have 500 people. And they tell me I'm going to lose. I said, why am I going to lose? I had 40,000 people. She had 200 people.

But you know, I have a theory of these pulses. They charge you a lot of money too. You know, they charge a half a million bucks to do some stupid poll. And they interview like 251 people. I don't think they interview them in many cases. I don't want to get myself in too much. You think it's bullshit? I think they sit there. They make a deal. They get a half a million bucks. Trump's leading 51 to 49. They announce it. And everybody says, oh, do you understand?

Yeah. So you think they I think in a lot, look, I'm a very common sense person. I think that they probably don't always poll. Some of them probably never poll. What's the difference between 49 to 51 and 47 and a half? Well, it's also a tiny percentage of the population. I don't think it's representative of the overall population. I just don't know. I don't know of one person in my whole life that ever got called by a pulse. Exactly. That's my point. So here's here's

my question. But I shouldn't say that because I'm doing very, you know, really well in the polls. But I think that's so this week I happen to believe in a verse. I only believe them. They're good. No, I like them this month. But no, I honestly believe that this is probably a lot of fraud. I had a poll Washington Post ABC in the Hillary thing on Wisconsin. They had me down 17 points the day before the election. I knew it was wrong because I had a rally. I had 29,000 people at a racetrack. It was

like zero degrees Wisconsin. And they had me down 17 points. In other words, you had no chance. And I won. And I called up my post. It was good guy. Good, good guy. And I believe he's legitimate. And you know, some of them are some of them are I said, tell me, why did they have me down so much? I mean, nobody's going to believe them the next time they said they don't care. When you down 17 points, people are going to stay home. They're not going to vote. Right. Because they're going

to say, I love Trump, but I'm not going to waste my time. It's cold out. I said, but what do they make it four or five? He said at four or five, they're going to go and vote at 17. They're not going to go. So think of it. I was seven. This is a Washington Post ABC poll. I was down 17 points in Wisconsin. And I won. It's crooked stuff. There's a lot of crooked stuff. And I wanted to talk about that too. Because one of the things that people talk about with you is the denial of the results.

And I think JD Vance did a brilliant job the other day when he was being interviewed. And they asked him, did Trump lose the 2020 election? And he turned it around and said, was there legitimate election interference in suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop story on social media? And was that a concerted effort? Well, they say they tend to point difference. And I lost by one one tenth of a point. They say it was 22,000 votes. But look, it was much more than that. And I

appreciate JD Vance and that. And by the way, I think he was a great pick. Do you like JD? I like him a lot. Yeah. You're allowed to say that. No, I do. I like him a lot. I think he's brilliant guy. And I think his ability to talk like a normal human being. He did you did my friend Theo Vaughn's podcast, right? And he just did it. How did he do it? He did great. He's just talks about what you call human beings. Is that what you called me to do? No, we're really

kids. I was he was he was in this shot. You I was like, he's got to come in here. It's all about timing. It's all about the timing. I think we're timings perfect. Do you even have a scar in your ear? You got anything on there? I do. What do we say? So right over here. It zicked right there. It healed up pretty fucking good. That's pretty good. Yeah, it's little it's not like some of the wrestlers. Some of the UFC fighters. No, no, no, no, it got me who's sort of like a top shot.

The point of the bullet was over the ass, but you see the the things take it off a little bit. But it makes me a tougher guy. You know, the fighters, you know, the fighters love there. You know, Bo Nikol is a great fighter. Yeah, how's he going to do? I think he's great. He's a fantastic person. He was almost like undefeated in college. He's still yeah, he's a fantastic wrestler and one of the best mixed martial artists. What is he fighting again? He's fighting a master's

career guard in November. Oh, that's going to be an inch after the election. Yep. So I'll leave it go as president or I'll be depressed and I won't bother. Yeah, I think they're having a fight right now. One of the things that was fascinating also was the denial of the election results is is a pretty common thing. Hillary Clinton famously denied that she called you an illegitimate president and she said that Russia put you in place. Even though she conceded. Yes, you know,

she conceded the night of the election because he was beaten. Yes. And it was a thing that was pretty common for people, especially Democrats, to deny the elections. There's been many of them, the Bush administration, the, you know, the dangling chads, all that stuff. Well, look at these guys in Congress. All these sleaze bags in Congress that are Democrats. They're still denying 2016. But now they don't so much because you know, they try and pin it on me. You don't hear them say.

Here's my point. They denied it right up until the end. My point is this idea of election fraud is a forbidden topic and you get labeled an election tonight. It's like being labeled an anti-vaxxer. If you question some of the health consequences that people have from the COVID-19 shots. Oh my God, you're anti, you're an anti-vaxxer. If you say, and what I say publicly, and I've said this a lot, it's not 0%. So if you ask me, what is the amount of election fraud in this country? Is it 0%?

No one thinks it's 0%. I've never met one person, not a super liberal progressive far-left person or a right-wing conservative. Not one person thinks it's 0%. They think when you have human beings and also you have a lot of weirdness that was going on during the 2020 elections, particularly with mail-in ballots. And you had legislatures that had to approve and they didn't approve and they went out and did it anyway. And you had ballot, you had old-fashioned

ballots growing. I mean, you had people going up and dropping in phony votes. You had unsigned ballots, et cetera, et cetera. There's certain people that think they have, and the rhetoric is also that you're Hitler and that in order to stop Hitler, you have to do whatever it takes. That was okay. Yeah. And this is, I mean, you're hearing this now. Kamala compared you to said your love of Hitler yesterday. Kamala is a very low IQ person. She's a very low IQ. You know, I'm for taking

tests too. I think anybody that runs for president should take, they should give him tests. And it's not an age thing. It's not based. If you look back on history 70s and 80s, you're great, some of your greatest leaders in the world, world history, long-time world history. They were in their 70s and their 80s. But I think you should take cognitive tests. I think everybody, they say it's unconstitutional. But I think, I think companies should have a test because there's something

missing. There's something wrong with it. Well, I think it's pressure. I think the pressure and the scrutiny, you've been a celebrity for a long time and you understand what this is like. But for someone who's in our late 40s, who becomes the vice president, who runs for president, becomes the vice president, and then all of a sudden the weight of the world is on your shoulders. And there's all these people paying to, a lot of people clam up. But you either have it, you don't.

Correct. Look, this is an interview. We've covered a lot of territory, right? And, you know, it's fine. I don't care. I want to. I think it's much more interesting. She, to do an interview with Anderson Cooper, a softball, crazy softball interview. She took two days off and she studied and studied all day long. And then she comes out with a result that was a real embarrassment. That was a really bad interview. She couldn't answer a question. And every question is not answered. I mean,

like, what would you do your first day in office? Okay, I'll build a wall. I won't build a wall. There's a hundred things you can say. Just say anything, right? There's something off with her. Well, we're dealing with the smartest people. They hate when I said, you know, when the press, when I call president, she, they said, he called president, she brilliant. Well, he's a brilliant guy. He controls 1.4 billion people with an iron fist. I mean, it's a brilliant guy with a like it or not.

And they go crazy. It doesn't mean he's not evil or it doesn't mean he's not. Yeah, of course, that's dangerous. But, but actually, we have evil people in our country. Yes. If you have a smart president, he can deal with Russia. He can deal with all of it. I had a, I, Russia would have never gone into Ukraine if I were president. How would you have stopped it? He automatic two things. I told him. I said, Vlad, I'm here. You're not going in. I used to talk to him all the time. You're not

going in. I can't tell you what I told him because I think it would be inappropriate. But someday, he'll tell you, but he would have never gone in. But you know why else he wouldn't have gone in? Oil prices at $40 a barrel wouldn't have allowed him. Wouldn't have given him the money to prosecute that war. Wouldn't have given him the money. I said it with president. I was with president. She said it was almost the same conversation with Vladimir. It was Moscow with president. She

it was Beijing. It was almost the exact same conversation. I said, don't do it. He would have never done it. The day I left, they flew 28 bombers over the middle of Taiwan, 28 bombers. And it's the apple of his eye and the same thing with Russia. It's the apple. Ukraine is the apple of his eye. I used to talk to him. I had a very good relationship with him. He wouldn't have done it. He would have never done it. But he also wouldn't have done it because of the oil. You know one of the

reasons that what happened is number one, he doesn't respect Biden at all. Not even a little bit. And who the hell would? But he doesn't respect him. But when he saw what happened in Afghanistan, how horribly that was handled. Number one, you take the soldiers out last not first. Okay, that was a big mistake. And we had that thing charted out and they weren't obeying us. They weren't Abdul is the head of the Taliban. Boom, boom, he had to do all these things. Some he didn't do. I

said, nope, you're not doing it. You got to do them all. This guy took, he immediately took all, he left the equipment behind 13 soldiers dead. But he took everybody out. He took his soldiers out before. A child would know. That's where Millie was so stupid. He was such a stupid guy. Millie. Okay, those generals should have all been fired. The Afghan, the people that were involved with Afghanistan should have all been fired. Then they'd be writing books about him. How stupid he was. I said,

bad he was. But you take your soldiers out last. I had a big rally and I saw a child in the front row about a year and a half ago and I called the child up. I said, do you mind if I borrow your child? Oh, yes, please. And they came up. Kids five years. I gave them a quick details. You know, I said, we want to get out of this place. And we have this. And we have this. And we have the equipment. I gave them a little thing. I said, do you take your soldiers out first or last after

everything's done? You take them out last or a child would know that. We took our soldiers out first. And what was your plan? And we left a bad room. Well, not only that, we left billions of dollars worth of equipment and military vehicles that are used for parades now. The best equipment yet to embarrass us. The best equipment in the world. The Taliban parade where they're got tanks rolling down the streets and black hawks flying is the craziest thing I've ever seen. We left the best

equipment in the world behind. What would you have done differently? Well, number one, we were to take it out. Just say, and go back a little bit further, I had a couple of conversations with Abdul. And from the time I had those conversations, because they were shooting our soldiers, you know, with the sniper stuff, they were shooting a lot of them. They were shooting a lot with Obama, much less with me, but they were shooting them. And I said, get this guy in the phone. The press,

what nuts when they heard this. I had a great conversation with it. It was a tough conversation. 18 months later, there wasn't one soldier that was ever shot at. And even Biden admitted it in a moment of stupidity because he shouldn't have admitted it. His people, what nuts? He said, yeah, well, I will admit, no soldier, we didn't have a soldier killed in 18 months in Afghanistan. Not one soldier was killed because he understood what was going to happen if that happened.

I didn't have one. So then when I left, after having gotten more votes than any sitting president, in the history of the country, and much more votes than he got in 2016, when I left, they started shooting our soldiers. But more importantly, what they did is they did that whole thing with, you know, leaving. He shouldn't have left number one, should have left from the bargrim because bargrim is massive base. It's got tremendous acreage around. It's tremendous.

It's a very big, it was built many years ago. And part of the reason you wouldn't have taken that is because it goes to China. One hour from where China makes its nuclear missiles, you should have never left bargrim. Number one, they should have left from bargrim. They should have left last. They should have gotten, you know, we have Americans that are still there. They should have taken all their equipment out. Everything, every plane, every screw should have been taken out, every tent.

And I said that, that's what I realized that Merle was a dummy. I said, we're leaving, but I want to get everything out. Sir, it's cheaper to leave it. I said, it's cheaper to leave it. He said it's cheaper to leave it. That was cheaper. He said it's cheaper. Sir, not more dangerous. He just said cheaper. I said, I want every plane. I want every tank. I want the goggles, they have night goggles. They have all this stuff that these guys now have. He said, sir,

it's cheaper to get out and leave it. I said, so you think it's cheaper to leave a 150 million dollar brand new airplane in there than it is to fly it out with a tank of jet fuel and put it in Pakistan or just fly it directly back. It's cheaper to leave. I said, this guy's nuts. I'm telling you, he was so stupid. He was so unwise. He was like an unwise man. And there were a number of them. But I defeated ISIS with the greatest generals. I had a guy who was so great.

I flew to Iraq and I met the real generals, not these idiots that we deal with. And we knocked out, you know, I defeated 100% of the ISIS caliphate. They said it would take five years. I did it in a matter of a few literally a few weeks and we hit them hard. And he said, so we're going to hit them here. We're going to hit them there. We're going to hit them here there. And I said, this guy's great. I like this guy. I was told it would take five years. That's why I went. I

said, how could it take five years? We have brand new fighters. We have the best planes, the best weapons, the best guns, the best bombs. How could it possibly take that long? And I flew to, I flew and left at three o'clock in the morning. Nobody knew I was going. I got an Air Force one and we started flying. And when we reached about half an hour away from Iraq, that was where the airport was. Big airport. About a half an hour away. They said, sir, I'm sorry, you'll have to

turn off all your lights. Why? We're getting close to our site. Our land. I said, you know, we spent eight trillion dollars. And we can't leave the lights. So think of this. 20 years, eight trillion dollars. And we can't leave the lights on in a plan. I said, that's okay. Turn the lights on. I'm not going to fight him. That's why this is because it's too dangerous. Yeah, too dangerous. Because they see the light up in the issue. Yeah, they shoot it. Yeah. So I said, turn the lights on.

Then they said, sir, we're going to also pull your shades of that. Okay. So that's okay. The plane was pitch black. All the lights outside. You know the blinking thing, the blinking reds. They were all turned off. And I like to sit with pilots a lot of times. And these guys are specimens. I would say they're better looking than Tom Cruise. Okay. And they're even taller. Like perfect specimens. These guys like for a fighter. You know, you have some guys that are

perfect specimens. And you know, they pick, they pick the best pilots in the Air Force. United States Air Force to fly Air Force one. And I get up there and I'm sitting and I'm feeling my way up. You know, it's up. I guess 747. So you go through the stairs. But I sort of knew my way up. There wasn't a light in the plan. I'm saying, can you imagine? We spent millions of dollars. And we're trying to fly in blind. But I got into the plane. The cockpit

is dark black. Little tiny light. You could see the pilot. A perfect looking human being. His coat pile. Everybody was perfect. They were all like movie stars. You know, it's like, I could have cast a movie with these guys and nobody would believe it because they were too good looking. So I said, how are we doing? There will be landing in 10 minutes and I look outside. There's not a light. And I'm saying, you know, I've landed a lot of planes. And you see

like little lights at least. There's nothing. It's just pure desert. And I said, okay, Captain, good, but I'm looking. Now we're, you've been in many plans where it has the computer. So I'm saying 1,000 feet nine goes 1,900 800. It's a computer voice, but it sounds like it's incredible voice. 700. I said, Captain, are we okay? I'm looking. Are we okay, Captain? There's no lights. And I'm looking in and normally when you land a plane because I sit and we pass a lot. I think

it's great. I think it's a great profession. Everything. It's incredible. These machines are you said, sir, we're fine. No problems, sir. I said, you know, I don't see the lights up there, Captain. Sure, we're okay. You know, so I mean, I'm exaggerating a little bit. You know, problem with exaggerating. It'll tell the story. That's a truck was a coward. Sub-sitting with an US 500 foot and I'm saying, and I'm telling you there wasn't a light on the

runway. Nothing. And we're going in. You okay, Captain? Everything good? Yes, sir. No problem. We'll be down in about one minute, sir. And I'm telling you, Joe, you know, there's always a light. There's not a little pin in all of a sudden. And you hear it. Wow, wow, perfect landing like glass. That's how good. I mean, these guys between the equipment and it's genius. It's pure. It was so dark. You couldn't see a thing. There was no runway. You wouldn't know where the hell you're here in the

middle of a desert. And then I got out of the plane. I said, thank you, Captain. It's a great job. And then I get out of the plane and I'm going down and I see a general and another general. And I see a staff sergeant, a drill sergeant and a various guys. All central casting, central casting. They said, sir, would you like to rest? I said, I don't want to rest. I want to figure out what the hell we're doing with ISIS. I'm hearing we can't. It's going to take years. No, sir. We can do it very

quickly, sir. Anyway, we go into the room. We go. I mean, Biden would have taken a nap for four days and then left without a meeting. So we go into the room and they have these guys. I say, how long can you do it? How long? We can do it in a couple of weeks, sir. They said, wait a minute, they told me five years. We can do it. And I don't know. He gave me a number like, like just like in no time. I said, why haven't you done it? Because the orders came in from Washington, sir. And

they would come here and tell us what to do. Don't you challenge us? We're not allowed to do that, sir. That's not the military way. They tell us what to do and we have to respect them. I just do. So do you think that it was in competence? Why? They didn't go after ISIS? I think it's a bad system. You know, when Madis goes there or when Millie goes there who's stupid and they tell these guys that are actually smart what to do and the guys that are smart are saying we don't like

what they're doing, but they're not allowed to sort of counteract. Plus the guys that went there are arrogant. You know, they're arrogant fools. They're like stupid fools. The way they pulled out of, you know, the way they as an example, the way they pulled out of Afghanistan with the people falling off the plane. So it was so it was it was worse than Vietnam with the helicopters. It was so bad. There was no reason for it. Anyway, so we knocked them out and I mean, we have great

military. We have great people, but not the television guys. And I rebuilt the military and then they gave a chunk of it. Now, as much as it is, it's a tiny little piece. Believe it or not. We have an unbelievable, I rebuilt the military. I rebuilt our nuclear. And in a way, I hated to redo it, but I got to realize how powerful that nuclear is. Joe, one bomb Israel was gone, but forget one bomb could take out the entire east coast. It's so bad. And I watched these poor

fools talking about our oceans will rise one eighth of an inch over the next 500 years. I mean, we have people, we have countries right now, you have five countries. And don't underestimate North North, if you take a look at North Korea, they're new. I was there. I mean, I was with Kim Ja, I had a great, really, I got along great with them. You know, the press that he got along great, that's a good thing. It's not a bad thing. It's a great thing. Obama thought we were going

to go to war with North Korea. When I met with Obama, just prior to the takeover, you know, you meet you have it's sort of a ceremonial meeting. But it lasted a long time, a lot longer than it was supposed to last. I said, what's the biggest problem? He said North Korea. By the time I finished, I was, we wouldn't had no problem with North Korea. We were really, it was a little tough at the beginning. Remember? He said, I have a red button on my desk. I said, I have a red button also.

But mine's bigger than yours and mine works. I like how you call them little rocket man. I said, I said, yeah, little rocket. I said, little rocket man, you're going to burn in hell. And it was a rough. Yeah. Oh, so rough that people were worried. This is crazy. And then one day I got a call. It's like a fight. I got a call. You know, you ever see one that pounding, then all of a sudden, but I got a call. And it was from him, meaning his people, they wanted to meet. They wouldn't meet

Obama. He tried to meet. They wouldn't even talk to him about it. And I think he expected to go to war. I actually do. I believe you expected to go. And we checked in. No clear stock, but it is substantial. I mean, it's right. That's, I said, you do anything. I got to know very well. I got to know better than anybody, anybody. And I said, do you ever do anything else? Why don't you go take it easy and relax? Go to the beach. You have beautiful beach, nice beachfront property. You know,

kidding me. I said, you're always building nuclear. Just relax. You don't have to do it. Let's build some condos on your shoreline. They actually have gorgeous stuff. And he said, I just have to do it because I need it for my safety. It said, I got to know very well. We had no problem with him. If you have a smart problem, if you have a smart, really the right president, the smart president, you're not going to have a problem. And I say it to people, we have a bigger problem in my opinion

with the enemy from within. And it drives them crazy when I use that term. But we have an enemy from within. We have people that are really bad people that I really think want to make this country unsuccessful. When you look at what's happening at our border, Joe, when you have people coming in that when when other countries are allowed to empty their prisons into our country with murderers, we had 13,099 murderers dropped in our country over the last three years.

And 15,000 rapists convicted rapists, yeah drug dealers, drug lawyers. That's just the ones that have been countered. Correct. People from mental institutions. What do you think this happens to hundreds of thousands of major criminals tougher and worse than anybody we have? We're seeing the consequences of it. San Antonio, they've taken over all our buildings in a rural Colorado. They take over apartment buildings. These Venezuelan gangs just the beginning.

What do you think the strategy is? You know, one of the things that they've said is that you stopped a bill from being passed. But didn't that bill also include amnesty for the people that are already here? Yeah, this is years after the fact the damage was already done. But what was the bill? Well, it was not allowed. Two million people and they were going to get amnesty. It was a horrible bill. It didn't protect us at all. But we should just tell people what the

strategy is. So one of the things that's been very strategic. One of the things that's been very clear is that they've moved a large percentage of these migrants that come in across the border illegally. They've moved them to swing states. Like this is what's going on with Springfield Ohio, right? We're in swing states. Well, that's not a swing state. I'm going to win Ohio.

By a lot. So that's not a swing. But it's called Springfield Ohio to be exact. And Springfield, Ohio is this very nice community of 52,000 people that just had 32,000 migrants that don't speak the language dropped into their community. You can't get into a hospital. You can't get into a school. It's gone from a beautiful little place to a horror show. And the mayor is a nice guy. And the mayor says, we're looking for interpreters. I said, no, you've got to remove them and bring

them back to their country. Mostly Haitians in this case. But they speak no, they speak no language. They speak no English men. In fact, even the language they do speak, it's, I mean, they can't get interpreters. They can't do anything. And the mayor is trying to be politically correct. They're all trying to be in Aurora, Colorado. You have the worst, probably the worst gang. MS-13 might even be, you know, those two are the worst gangs. He's a Venezuelan gang. They have taken over

apartment complexes. And they're going to want to take over the whole thing. And you have a weak governor, a pathetic governor, who's a radical left Democrat. He doesn't know what the hell to do. But you have it in many other communities, but they don't like to talk about it because it's, you know, it's bad for the community to talk about it. These people have been led in here by this imbecil. She's, I mean, she's a low IQ person, low IQ. But it's also, it's obviously not

just her. There's a, there's a strategy involved in letting the people in. Well, she's in charge of the border, but they also, they, they utilize that app, the app that used to be used, it used to be used, I think essentially, wasn't it for shipping? Wasn't it when people were in this country? It was used for shipping. And now it's used to deal with the cartels, the cartel heads of the carto who rich people, by the way, these are loaded. These people have so much money. They would call

up, think of this, they call up the app. And the app tells them where they should take their load of illegal migrants from the Congo. You know, we have a lot from the Congo, prisons in the Congo. I know. I made a little bit of a sarcastic joke. A man named Dana White who you love, who I love. I assume you love. I think he's in a class by him. He's probably the reason why you're here. I, I don't know, maybe he's one of the big ones. He is the greatest guy. You know, I always say,

everybody's indispensable, you know, everybody can be replaced. Maybe you can't be, you might not be. But they know it truly. I don't think, you know, the things, they sort of a four billion. I said, what a harrow, who the hell is going to pay four billion? And they made like a great deal. I mean, because of him, take him out. I think it's all different. No, he's the best. And he's also the greatest guy. He spoke at the whole thing with, you know, I had just been shot.

And he got up and he spoke so better than anybody. I mean, who would be better to introduce you? I asked of all the people. I know this biggest people in the world and they all would have loved to have done it. I said, Dana, would you do it? You know, it's interesting. He was away. And he said to the people that, you know, one of my guys called, he said, I won't be able to do it. I'm, she had just left with my wife and family. I said, we said,

no, yeah, I was a little surprised, even though I knew he was very far away. He was in some place. So, you know, and he deserved it with his family, you know, at all things. And then I said, all right, that's, and that's, and are so we're looking who we're going to get. And all of a said, she comes in, sir, Dana, why just said he's going to do it. And he's coming back into night. He's taking the, you know, the guy is just an incredible guy. And he's like a tough champion,

but loyal. Yeah. He's got to be one of your favorite people. I've been friends with him for 23 years. I love it. So would you have, um, because you're, what you're doing here is incredible. I mean, everybody tells me, well, I noticed today I'm going, you know, you're on Joe Rogan's take people are telling me like, I said, I said, how did you know that? But it's, it's sort of what you've done here is amazing. Where would you be if you didn't do the UFC stuff? Would you have this show,

do you think? Yeah, I'll still be doing it for sure. Yeah. Would it be at the same, would it be at the same level? I don't know. But you would have. It's hard to know. I think, you know, one of the things that works for this show, I guess is that I, I'm involved in so many different things. You know, stand up comedy UFC and all the interests that I have that lead to the podcast. Will you always want to do you? First of all, you love UFC. I love it. Yeah. You love the fights.

I mean, I watch you. You are loving it. They could pay you nothing. It'd be very, they didn't pay me anything for the first like 13 shows. I did it for free because they were hammering money. And I became friends with Dana and my, my position was you're going to give me the best seat in the house. I get to sit cage side for the fights. I'll do it. And I wanted to help. I was like, I think these are the guys that we had always hoped for. And these are the days of the sport. I started

working for the company in 1997. I was the, before the UFC was purchased by Zufo, which Dana worked for. So I was a part of the previous owners. And I only did it for a couple of years. It was just too much and I was losing money. And it was banned from cable because of Bud Weiser and John McCain. And you could only get it on your TV. And so, and then I came along and I gave him the service. And he never forgot. He loves you for that. He talks about it all the time. Just interrupt.

So they couldn't get a site because it was too dangerous. Everybody was against it. And they couldn't get licensed. And I gave him the first two or three sites. And they were great. And by the way, I went to the first fight. I said, I never saw anything like this. It was crazy. It was so good. Take the best fight. It was like that fight, right? It was so good that it gave it to me again. And all of a sudden it caught on. But you know, when I was an invoke, you know, I've had time.

You probably never had a time. But I had times when I wasn't exactly invoke. Dana, they called him. He said, he's the greatest guy. There's nobody like he said, I'll never say anything bad about that guy because when I needed to have it a hard time at the beginning, they once pulled the plug a couple of times, right? He said, he stood up and he gave us stuff that nobody else gave us and nobody wanted anything to do. And he said, I will never. And there was a time where it would

have been very popular for him to say bad stuff about me. He said the greatest stuff about me. He said, you're going to try and get me to say bad stuff about Trump. I'm never doing it. No, he's a very, very, very, very unusual guy. He's a fantastic guy to be at the helm of something so controversial as the UFC less controversial now. I mean, so now it's huge. Yeah. Well, this was always the thing that I would hope did it. I always knew that it was unbelievably entertaining,

but I just didn't know if maybe I was crazy. Maybe I loved it because I've had this long history of being involved in martial arts and maybe like other people who just think it's too violent. But can boxing make it? Yeah. Boxing's still a great sport. I love boxing. But it seems to be so unimportant now by comparison to UFC, don't you think? I think, well, you know, Dana is working

with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. They're going to start promoting boxing now. And with Dana at the helm of it, I think boxing, give a turn because the thing is they want to make fights that other maybe, you know, promoters don't want to make because they want to protect their fighter, controversial fights where it's dangerous. Like you don't know this guy could lose. And so the Saudis, they're smart. They just offer a tremendous amount of money and they're putting together

fighter fights that no one else can put together. They're doing that in boxing. If Dana's involved, they'll probably make it good. You know the amazing thing though, the, the, in fighting, no UFC fighter they say has ever died. And it looks to be much more violent than boxing. Many boxes have died, isn't it interesting? And Dana tells me because they take so many shots to the face. Yes. And there's also no other options to preserve yourself, to protect yourself.

So if you get hit in a UFC fight, you can clinch. You can try to take the fight to the ground. You have options. Also, you don't get allowed to get knocked down and then get back up. When you get knocked down, you're concussed. And generally, you know, if a guy's really hurt, they can be finished in on the ground and the fights over. If it's boxing, you have 10 seconds to get up. You get up, your head kind of clearance, but you're still in real bad trouble. And then you can kind of run

away and survive until the bell rings. There are only three minute rounds and then you start again. So you're getting repeated punishment to the head. And then there's also the issue of guys weight cutting, which is a problem with the UFC as well. But weight cutting and boxing has led to, if you look at deaths in boxing, there's very few of them in the heavyweight division.

Most of the deaths in boxing are the lighter weight divisions because when guys dehydrate themselves to lose weight, to make weight, their brain is the last thing that gets rehydrated. Like, it's very difficult to completely rehydrate your brain quickly. And you only have 24 hours between the weigh-in and the fight. And it used to be the weigh-ins were the day of the fight. Like, when when Boom Boom Man scenic had a fight with Duck Who Kim and killed him in the ring, which is

one of the last ones on television that we've seen. That was a crazy event for people in heartbreaking. And it led to a bunch of different changes. One of them is day before weigh-ins to allow people to rehydrate better. And the other one is they dropped it from 15 rounds down to 12. Which, look, they should do that. You know, I'm not, I'm not the fighter. So, but those 15 round fights were unbelievable. They were unbelievable.

Unbelievable. Yeah, you could terms of old and age. Yeah, in terms of entertainment. Oh, yeah. Those were the championship rounds. Those were the greatest fights. Those last three rounds were crazy. That was brutal. I mean, it's such a war of attrition. You know, a lot of people think even like a five round UFC fight. UFC is five minute rounds. It's so much energy you're burning out. And those last couple rounds, those five round fights,

the fourth and the fifth round, unbelievably brutal. Who's the greatest UFC fighter? Are you allowed to say in your opinion, it's tough for you to say because you do this. But who do you think is the greatest of the fighters? There's a lot of arguments for who's the greatest of all time. You know, John Jones, most people would say is the greatest of all time, never lost. It's, there's certainly a really good argument for that. There's another argument for George St. Pierre.

I always leave in BJ Penn in his prime Anderson Silva in his prime, you know, mighty mouse. People forget about mighty mouse because unfortunately he's a smaller guy. It's 125 pounds flyweight champion. He's one of the greatest expressions of mixed martial arts I've ever seen. I think to this day. And could be what a big fantastic. But if you looked at the accomplishments in terms of championship fights,

could be retired 29 and oh, but he didn't have a small championship round. They say he might have lost to Glacin T-Bow. He might have lost to him. He might have lost around. And that was a controversial fight where people think that Glacin T-Bow could have even got the decision in that fight. I'd have to go back and watch it again to make a decision. But big great athlete. Oh, the best athletes in the

world. And the most dangerous sport in terms of like it's I always call it high level problem solving with dire physical consequences. Yes, that's what fighting is. You know, I never forget. So there was a fighter named James Tony Tony. Oh, yeah. And James Tony. He fought as a very light fighter. And he ended up as a heavyweight. And this guy went through everything. He was almost like a light weight.

He went from middleweight all the way up to heavyweight. And he'd eventually feel as a heavyweight. And he was a real fighter. Oh, yeah. So James Tony. And I think it was, say George, George St. Pierre. St. Pierre. I think it was him. Who did he fight James Tony? No, James Tony didn't fight George St. Pierre. He fought a UFC fighter. Yeah, Randy Coetour fought James Tony. Was it Randy's like an easy fight? That was a very easy fight. Randy Coetour just took him down

and strangle him. It was the most and he's half the size. And he just once he got to the ankles back the announces it. It's over. Yeah, he put him to the top. He took him down, mounted him, strangled him. And he was, he was, but he was talking big because he was much bigger. He's a pretty big guy. James just wanted to make some money. You think so? Yeah. I never forgot it. It was, it was over very quickly. Yeah. He was lying sleeping on the mat and he was talking. You know,

he was doing the Muhammad Ali stuff, but it didn't work out. But I remember. He sold the fight. Yeah, that was co-tour probably. Yeah, it was co-tour. George never fought a boxer in an MMA fight. If he did, he would kill them. Was he, was he one of the greatest? Yes, unquestionably. That's the argument. There's like a handful of guys you can make the argument as the greatest of all time. People forget about Anderson Silva. In his prime, he was unstoppable. It's, but that's

the thing. Anderson Silva. And then there's Fador Emilio Enanco who fought in pride in his prime. He was unstoppable. There's, there's this. And you have a couple now that are pretty good. Oh, we've got so many now. Alex Pereira. There's an argument that he's the top-down for pound fighter. He's looking very good. Yeah. He's unbelievable. But it's like fighters can only compete at that level for so many years. And so my opinion, you have to judge them at their very

peak. You can't judge them when they're hanging on and still fighting. You can't judge them when they're coming up. You got to judge them in that championship peak and that championship peak. There's a handful of guys that you would consider at the very top. If they stopped a little bit sooner. Yeah. Some of them would have had, you know, I mean, there are a couple of that you just mentioned without mentioning names. If they stopped, they had the perfect, they were

unbelievable. And then at a certain age, they start getting knocked out, right? Yes, it's unfortunate, but the thing is that same belief in themselves that lets them become a champion makes them think that they can do it long past the time that they actually can. Well, Anderson Silver was essentially unbeatable. And then he lost a close when then all of a sudden he got knocked out. He got knocked out by Chris Wydeman. Right. He was kind of clowning in that fight famously and Chris Wydeman had a

vicious left hook knocked him out. And then they fought a second time and he broke his leg on Chris Wydeman. Right. That's right. And after that fight, he was kind of never the same because that that leg break injury, which Conor McGregor had, there's quite a few fighters that Wydeman actually want to have in the same injury, ironically, has only been like four or you're never the same because

you can't kill. You know, you can, Wydeman is still kicking with that leg. You can, but psychologically, when you throw a kick and your leg snaps in half and you're an agony for a year, right? You have to get surgery, you have to get bolts and plates to keep your leg together. And then it takes forever for it to heal. It always amazed me how the kicker, I mean, you have those cases, but the kicker will do tremendous damage to somebody's leg, but their leg doesn't seem to get

damaged. Isn't it? It does get damaged. It hurts more than you. Yeah, but your shin, your shin gets very numb after a while. And the guys that are really good kickers, they're kicking the thigh and they're kicking the calf, they're kicking soft areas. And they're slamming this hard numb shin. Right. Their shin gets all these like micro fractures all over the shin and it calcifies. Like these guys can kick baseball bats. They ever seem to break baseball bats with their shins.

Yeah, I know. It's crazy. Some guys can do two baseball bats. Someone will hold the baseball bat and they just kick right through them. But I want your enthusiasm. Yeah. And it's like that's why you're good at what that's why you nobody does this better that without the enthusiasm, forget it. What has to be authentic? Like that, I mean, the only reason why I do MMA commentaries, because I am very interested in it for real. It's I'm not I don't have to manufacture it. I'm

very interested. So I love going in there after the fight and they're sweating all over you. They're slapping all of you. They're bleeding. Sometimes I know that you had a little bit. Yeah, like two weeks ago with the guy was he I never saw. Yeah, he had more stuff came out of his nose. Yes, it was pretty nasty. But no, I'm very used to it. I just wanted him to be able to express himself. He's done a great job. Thank you. Thank you. So back to you and back to what what are you and

first of all, I love this idea of you teaming up with Robert Kennedy. Right. And I love this make America healthy again. Yeah, idea because there are chemicals and ingredients and in our food that are illegal in other countries because they've been shown to be toxic. There's pesticides and herbicides and there's a lot of shit that's been sprayed on our food that really is unnecessary. And there's a lot of health consequences that people are suffering from a lot

of these things and to because I had a feeling you'd be asking me. Thank you. Look at this chart. These are healthier countries. Look what the United States is. I'm going to send this to RFK juniors. So this is well, something along the I was actually talking to RFK today. And he told me that more than 70% of young men are ineligible for the military because of their health. I could say that's great. A lot of it's obese. So here's the life expectancy versus health expenditure.

Same chart. Yeah. Did you see that? USA. Yeah. That's pretty good. Jamie's the best. He's very good. He's the best. But look at that. Look at the USA. Not good. That's our food. That's our diet. That's that's sedentary lifestyle. That's our diet. That's the chemicals we ingest. That's what that is. But RFK is going to be very, you know, I think he's a great guy. I think he's good. I love the fact that you guys teamed up. Yeah. Are you guys? Are you completely committed to have him a part of your

administration? Oh, I am. But the only thing I want to be a little careful about with him is the environmental because you know, he doesn't like oil. I love oil. I guess. I think, you know, I think it's keeping him out of that to fire. So I'm going to sort of keep him out of a little. I said focus on health. Yeah. You can do whatever you want. But I got to be a little bit careful with the liquid gold. You know, I understand. But listen, there's plenty of good work that could be done

if you focus on health. So one that is the one that my old time favorite. See the arrow right here. That's what I love to do. Do you have anyone that is pressuring you to not work with him? Have there been people that work with you? RFK Jr. Yes. I would imagine. Because financially, he could have done. I would say that and, you know, I think in many ways they've done a good job

and many ways they've done a big job. But I would say that the big farmer wasn't thrilled when they heard that, you know, I have a really, I've actually always gotten along very well with him. I've known him a long time. He's a different kind of a guy. He's a very smart, great guy. And he's very sincere about this. I mean, he really is, you know, he thinks we spend a fortune on pesticides and all the stuff. And then you end up with that chart is a terrible chart, the one

previous. It's such a bad chart when you look at where we are compared to other countries that don't spend 10 cents. Right. So, you know, and you save a lot of money. But, yeah, we, I've had some people that aren't exactly thrilled. You can imagine, right? Sure. It's a good question. Well, certainly, if there have been some pharmaceutical drugs that have been prescribed that have negative consequences

that these people have been profiting off of. And then you have a guy like RFK Jr., who spends an enormous amount of time highlighting those things. You could say how they've been very reluctant to have you support him. I would say that's an understatement. Yeah. So, what do you do to stop that from getting in the way? Well, look, they've come up with some amazing things. I mean, I don't know how you feel. I know you're against the vaccine, certain vaccines. But like the polio vaccine,

people had polio there were, it was like a disaster. And they came up, Dr. Salk and he came up with a vaccine and there's no polio. Now, very interesting, there hasn't been polio, but now in the Gaza Strip, can you believe that? Have you heard that? There's been a big strain of polio coming out in the Gaza Strip. Is it vaccine derived polio? Because, you know, there's a strain of polio that comes directly from the vaccine because unfortunately, sometimes, I vaccine people for polio.

I mean, all I can do is I sit down and I listen to him and I'll give it a total. I would love him to be right because if he's right, it's a lot less expensive generally. There's two things that people point to when they point to the dangers of the pharmaceutical drug industry. One thing is when pharmaceutical drugs were allowed to advertise on television, we're only one of two countries in the world that allow pharmaceutical drugs to advertise on TV. The other ones do Zeeland, but they're

more restrictive than we are. People are like, there's ads, those ads, when you hear like, you know, take a certain drug and then you hear all the consequences. It causes cancer and baldness, we don't like all this. And you can lose your vision. And you know, I just, I actually asked one of these guys, I would never take it. I mean, it's because this thing's that it's so bad. They go through a whole

list, I guess they say some liability, but man, I said, does that affect the purchase? Or they say, it really does. When they, when there's something you have and you read and then they go through the list of side effects, the potential side. It's not even the potential side effects. I mean, a lot of people are just, I asked that question. People hear that. When I hear it, I'm going to take a piss. It says, may affect your vision, may cause blindness, may this, yes. And, but I know you're

aware of Cal and Casey means, right? Yes. Well, one of the things that they pointed out, and this is a very important thing for people to understand is what a lot of these drugs do is they, they act to, to somehow or another mitigate the effects of poor metabolic health. But most of these problems that these people are suffering from wouldn't exist if we put an emphasis on metabolic health. If people got healthier, they started eating nutritious food, taking vitamins, a whole host of

these problems that people are having would go away. And the problem with that from the pharmaceutical drug standpoint is they wouldn't be able to sell drugs to these people. And this is a fear of the pesticides and things like that on the plants. And what do you think of that? Terrible. Well, I think regenerative agriculture, unfortunately, is very difficult to scale to a point where you got a

jack in the box on every corner. Right. This is right. If everybody wants food and we have food deserts, we have places like Los Angeles where no one's growing anything and everything has to be shipped in. It's very difficult to feed that many people. We've created this incredible society where we have these enormous cities, but it's very difficult to get food to these people. And then for a lot of these people in low income areas, the only food that's available is cheap unhealthy food.

And we could fix that. That's if we could send 175 billion dollars to Ukraine, we could do something to fix a lot of the health problems that the United States has. And I think it would help us as a nation overall. Just if you just put it out there that, hey, as a nation, we're going to make a concerted effort to get people healthier. Just put it out there and people start making better

choices. Well, when you look at that chart, I was great. I just they just gave me that chart because they said you may want to discuss this topic, which I know is a big topic for you. And when I looked at that chart and I looked at how unhealthy we are as a nation, that's a pretty big thing. How are you so healthy? Is it golf? No, it's genetics. I believe, you know, I'm a big. Genetics has a big factor. I really am. I mean, my father was,

unfortunately, it is a big factor for health. So some people are just way more robust, but you do play golf a lot. And that is both of my parents. It's for me, it's good. It's fresh air. It really is. It's fresh air outside. Even mentally, you're focused on three-footer and for some for a couple of hours, you know, and I go quick. I play fast, real fast, and I'm in a mount. But you know, it gives me, I was never one that could like run on a treadmill. Just,

and I can do it. You know, when passing a physical, they asked me to run on a treadmill, and then they make it steeper and steeper and steeper. And the doctor said it was a waltry. They said, it's unbelievable. I could have gone, I'm telling you, I felt I could have gone all day, but I said, Doc, I can do this all day long. I'm not, I have no problem. But it's boring to me. Do you understand? It's just boring. Golf's exciting. But I did it for so long.

They couldn't believe it that I did it. And I never did, you know, I don't do it. I don't do it. You know, I have friends who've run on this stuff all day long, but I had no problem doing it. But it's really boring. So with golf or something, you know, or tennis or whatever. Right. Golf, as you get older, there's something really good about it. And you have competition, competition, concentration, full-grain. And it's a great handicap sport.

And it's also a thing, I think, it cleans your mind because when you're looking at a shot, that's all you can think of when you're executing. It gives you a couple of us. You know, it's interesting. Like with tennis, if you're much better than somebody, you can't really play with somebody. You know, it doesn't work. You can give them sort of the equivalent of strokes, right? But it's not the, with golf, you can play with a lousy guy and give him a stroke a hole

or two strokes a hole or something. You know, it's a good handicap, actually. But it gives me a little exercise, but I haven't played in a long time. I won a lot. I won 32 club championships. Didn't you play right after you got shot? No, where I, what I did is I played with Bryson D. Shembo. Do you know Bryson? Yes, the pro. He's a great player. And we played. It was a certain thing that we played. I guess called breaking 50 or something. 50 would play from a certain tee.

And if you can break 50. And it got tremendous ratings. Sort of like a crazy thing. It got tremendous. He's a great guy. He's a great couple of days after you got shot. I don't know. I know. That was one of the funniest things. I mean, of course. I think I did. Yeah, maybe I did. But I, you know, I feel it very interestingly. I'm running for president of the United States. To me, it's such a big deal. It's so important. So I've got the biggest deal in the free world.

It's it's 100 times bigger than the Super Bowl. And it's one person. Yeah. So you're down to two people. And we start off at nine billion. Because you have nine people, nine billion. They say in the world who knows what that number is. But you get down to 350 million. Sadly, we have no idea what we have in this country. But let's assume it's three 25, 350. And you're down to two people. It's

the biggest thing in the world. And when I heard she took off yesterday and she took off the day before and she's going to take off tomorrow or the next day, I haven't taken a day off in 56 days. That's a long time. I haven't taken one day off. I don't I didn't I don't want to plug up. This is too exciting. Golf is great, but this is too exciting. This is more exciting than anything you can do. And also the home stretch. It's the home stretch. Who would take a day off? So we have

11 days left now. And think of it. So I think I've gone 54, 55 days in a row. No days off. And I make speeches oftentimes, you know, sometimes not, but I make speeches. And when you make a speech, and my speeches last a long time because of the weave, you know, I mean, our weave stories and to it. And if you don't, if you just read a teleprompter, nobody's going to be very exciting. You've got to weave it out. So you're with, but you always have to, as you say, you always have to get

right back to it. Yeah. Otherwise, it's no good. But the weave is very, very important. Very few weavers around. But it's a big strain on your, you know, it's a big, it's a lot of work. It's a lot of work. You got to be careful with the voice. You can lose that voice. The voice wasn't designed. I said today, so I made a big one last night. I was in Las Vegas, a big one the night before in Arizona, big one. I mean, they're all big. We have, there's never been anything like it in

terms of crowd. Never been close. Never been close. They say he talks about crowds. You know, it's very interesting. So we get crowds that are really big. And I say, you know, I've never had a story because I don't get good press. I don't think I've had a good story in years. I really don't. I swear, I don't think I, you were talking about it a little bit with Oprah. Everybody loved me. I don't think I became president of the United States. I did great the second time.

I did much better. I don't want to get you in any disputes, but I won that second election so easy. And not just because. But let me, let me get to that. Let's, I want to talk to you about that. I did that. And now I've gotten the nomination again. And don't forget to get these nominations. You go against very smart people. Ron DeSantis was hot. Gotta go through him. Nikki Haley was hot. Gotta go through her. Went through everybody. Record time, right? Record time.

I got three nominations a row. One the first time did much better the second time. You know, I get millions of votes more the second time. And now I'm doing it a third time. And it's an incredible thing. I never get a good story. I only get bad press. Now I will say this. It's a lot easier if you're a Democrat. If I were a Democrat, you get a lot of positive. I would get a lot of positive. Yeah. No, it's a, it's a creepy crap business. And the, the media

to a large extent acts as a propaganda arm for the Democratic Party. It's not, it's not even believable. Yeah, it's, I mean, it's bizarre to watch. And most, you know, most young people at their girl wear of it. I think most boomers still unfortunately read the newspapers and believe in CNN. But it's getting younger. It's getting for us for a concert. And you know, I don't know why that is. I consider myself a person. It's the internet. It's because the internet's given people

information that they're not getting from anywhere else. And they like the, the very fine people, hoax, the rush of gate hoax. All these different things that they've done. They tried to pin on you. That's like, it's a clear distortion of what you actually said. Blood bath hoax. Yeah. I was talking about the auto industry. Yes. It's a blood bath because Japan and, of course, China are taking our auto and I said, it's a blood bath. They said, ah, he used the word blood bath.

You don't want it. It's going to be a blood bath. That's what they do. But that's the problem with propagandists because they take things out of context. And ultimately what they do is they diminish their own credibility because people don't want to listen to it anymore because they see that they've done that and they recognize what's going on and they feel insulted. They're intelligent. Well, look at the ratings. Yeah. You know, shows like yours. So I have a son who's very smart and tall,

barren, right? And he knows all about you. He knows about guys I'd never heard of. He said, , Dad, you don't know how big they are there, big. You know, somehow, big. I said, who the hell is he? Like Ross. I did. He said, Dad, he's a great guy. I mean, guys said it to him. It's a whole new world out there. It's a different world. You know, I'm on TikTok now. Congratulations. And I've done really well. No, but you know, the crazy, have you seen the numbers of billions, like billions of

hits? It's crazy. I'm sure TikTok's a wild application. And I've gone up 30 points. A Republican is always down 30 with young people. I'm plus 30. And I'm going to talk to TikTok. I think young people are rejecting a lot of this woke bullshit. Young people are tired of being yelled at and scolded. They're tired of these people that they think are mentally ill, telling them what the moral standards of society should be today. And people are upset.

It's a big, there's a big difference now. But even in just a couple of years, I was shaking hands with people. They're young people. The rebels are Republicans now. They're like, you want to be a rebel. You want to be punk rock. You want to like buck the system. You're conservative now. That's that's so crazy. And then the liberals are now pro pro silencing criticism. They're pro censorship online. They're talking about regulating free speech

and that regulating the first amendment. It's bananas to watch. They come after their political opponent. I got more guys. I always say, you know, I kid, but I'm not kidding. I've been investigated more than Al Foncicopone. He was the meanest of them all. He'd kill you in two seconds if he didn't like you, right? I've been under investigation more than Al Foncicopone, only because it's political opponent stuff. And I've won. I won the big case in Florida. I'm

winning the other stuff. You win. But you know what they did? They did something that's only done in third world countries. They came after that political opponent. Yeah. I could have put crooked Hillary and jail. Well, not only that, but they're never weaponizing it by saying that that's what you were going to do once you get an office. Is it right ignoring what they're doing right now? It's crazy. I heard it. Somebody was defending me today. They said, no, that's they said,

that's what you're doing to him. They're going, he's going to put us in jail. He's going to invest. That's what you're doing. That's what you're doing to him. Yeah. A lot of people say, will you do that? Will you do that to him? If to them, if you win, you know, it's the president's yesterday's tremendous power. I could have put crooked Hillary. I respected that you didn't,

because what you said was it would be bad for the country. No, I can't, I couldn't even imagine you have president secretary of state, but more importantly, the wife of the president of the United States of America going into jail. And if you have a soul, when I'd say something about her, they'd all say, I didn't say, I never said it. They say, lock her up, lock her. And I'd always go, take it easy. Just relax. We're going to win this thing. Take it easy. Take it easy. And I'm

telling you, I kept it down just the opposite. Now they say, oh, Trump wanted to put her in jail. No, I saved her from going to jail. They had more stuff on her and Komi had it because when Komi got up and he stupidly, because he's a stupid guy too, he goes, he's a stupid son of a bitch. He got up, Joe, he got up. And instead of saying she's innocent of all charges, he went over each charge. And each charge was a killer. And he go, and as far as her doing this, she's innocent. And this,

and then she's only an unfair prosecutor for it. We go, but every time you heard these charges, they sounded so bad. They were bad. And all it was is he wanted more air time. If he would have gone up and said, I've thoroughly investigated Hillary Clinton and she's done nothing that we feel is wrong, it would have ended. Instead, he wanted to be up there because he's a PR hound. He's a hog. And he starts going through the, and you know what he had? They had a huge problem because

FBI is great. The people there, not the top people, the people, the real people, the people that work there. It's like the real generals that I told you about that defeated ISIS in record time. The FBI guys are great. I'll bet you I'd be at 95% in the FBI. How about that's right? Underneath. Yeah. And so here's the thing. So he goes with Hillary. And instead of just saying, he goes through each charge. Right. And even I was a man, those are bad charges.

Sounds terrible. And this is before I got those charges. Don't forget this before I got there. Right. Now he was trying to protect her, but he did her a great disservice because he wanted attention. He was still so I want to I want to talk about 2020 because you said over and over again that you were robbed in 2020. Totally. What how do you think you were robbed? Everybody always cuts you off. I'm going to allow them. Well, they not only cut you. Well, what I'd rather do is we'll

do it another time. And I would bring in papers that you would not believe so many different papers. Because that election was so crooked. It was the most crooked election. Okay, but give me some examples of how well let's start. Let's start on the top and the easy ones. Okay. They were supposed to get legislative approval to do the things they did and they didn't get it. In many cases, they didn't get it. What things? Anything. Like for extensions of the voting for voting earlier.

For this all different things. By law, they had to get legislative approvals. You don't have to go any further than that. If you take a look at Wisconsin, they virtually admitted that the election was rigged, robbed, and stolen. They wouldn't give access in certain areas to the ballots because the ballots were insigned. They weren't originals. They were we could go into this stuff. We could go into the ballots or we could go into the overall. I'll give you another one. Are you

going to present this? Let me never. Like do you do you think? Let me just give you one. Okay, guys. 51 intelligence agents come up that the laptop was from Russia. It turned out to be totally false. 51 former intelligence agents, right? They say that made I don't believe it's this much but it doesn't have to I won by like I lost by like I didn't list but they say I lost Joe. They say I lost by 22,000 votes. That's like one tenth of one percent less than that. It's a tiny little

thing. 22,000 votes spread over that spread over this this period. So 51 intelligence agents lied. They lied. They lied. They knew it was. It was hunters. It was from his bed. It was hunters laptop. They said it was created by Russia. Russia Russia. It was the Russia. The Russia hoax was a big hoax. It was all a big hoax. Well, that's good example. They say it made a 17 point difference. That's that big example. But that's only one. And you could go into the ballots where they wouldn't give you

access to the ballots. You could go into the ballot harvesting. You could go into 500 million dollars for the lock boxes. But just in terms of narrative. So there's two things. There's the Russia hoax. There's the collusion with Russia that was never proven. That's what it was proven. It didn't happen. But they talked about it on television. But it took two and a half years to prove. But not only that, but it was a constant narrative on television. That's a constant narrative that

gets into people's minds, especially low information people that just watched the news. That you're in collusion with Russia. So that's one. So that changes the narrative. And then you have the 51 former intelligence agents that work with the original Twitter and get them to remove links. You couldn't share it on DMs. You cannot share that story. They swept that story because they said it was Russian disinformation, even though they knew it was not. So that's two examples that are real examples.

Now anyone who considers himself a legitimate objective observer of American politics, if you really want the best person to win, you would want people to not lie. And the only reason why they got away with this lie was because they continually labeled you as this horrible threat to democracy and Hitler. They kept saying you're going to be a dictator, ignoring the fact that you were a dictator for the four years where you were actually the president. I was actually the opposite of

a dictator. I was a very straight guy. But look, those three things, you take those three things. Each one of them by themselves causes the result to be different. Okay. It does. And then you can go into a hundred other things. There's so many. We can't have corrupt elections and we can have open borders. We need a, we need, you need to have a country. You need borders. You need fair

elections. And I'll tell you the other thing you need is you need a free and fair press. One of the things I like about doing a show like this, can you imagine Kamala doing this show? She could imagine doing this. She would be laying on the floor. She was supposed to do it. And she might still do it. And I hope she does. She's not going to talk to her like a human being. I would try to have a conversation with her. And she did this kind of an interview with you.

I hope she does because it would be a mess. She'd be laying on the floor, Kamala. She'd be saying, call in the medics. I think we'd have a fine conversation. I think I'd be able to talk to her. I wouldn't try to interview her. I just try to have a conversation with her and hopefully get to know her as a human being. That was my goal having her on trying to get her to express herself just

as I don't know if these, I don't think these formats are good. I don't think that two people, first of all, I hate the idea of the presidential debates because I hate the idea of a time limitation on complex ideas. Also, you have to break through the book. I think you have to have the debates. Right. But the way they do the debates, I think is the wrong way to do it. I think they should have a conversation. I think you and Kamala, you sit across a table with no one in

the room, but the two of you. Of course, you're not going to shout each other. Of course, you're not going to get so much other. I mean, it may get the whole thing. They used to do it. But that would be the way to do it. They used to do it that way. They would do it that way. The old cameras on you with no, no one interfering with, with, with, with checking whether or not it's factual, especially when it's biased because they checked you all those times and they didn't check her with clearly

things that were inaccurate. Right. So have two people just have a conversation without a time constraint. And also this ideal, they cut off the, the, the microphone. No crowd. No crowd. Crazy too because you're good at working a crowd. I would rather have a crowd. Of course, you would rather get crowds. But I had no, so they gave me an alternative. I don't think you wanted to debate. Why did they want no crowd? Because I think they thought I was going to accept it. So I believe what

they wanted to do is have me not accept. So they gave me a deal. I couldn't refuse. And I said, I'll do it. Okay. It's like the mob. Right. I'll take it. So they came to me. They said, we'll debate Joe Biden. You know, I think that's tremendous ratings too. That was crazy. But we'll debate Joe Biden. But you can't have a crowd. They also wanted sitting down. I said, that's the only thing I said, look, you got to, you got to stand up. You can't really sit down.

Right. But on the old days, they did sit down a little bit. But, but he got tired. He got to stand up. And they agreed to it. It was a very tough thing. It almost killed it. They wanted to, they wanted to have like desks. We said, I said, I think we should stand up. And there was the only thing I asked for. I said, we got to stand up. I thought it looked bad for like the public. But they said no crowd and cut off the mic. And I said, I can live with it. I mean, I can live

with it. And they thought I was going to reject it. And then they would say he didn't want to debate sleepy Joe. Right. That's what they thought was going to say. Well, they tried to say that with you and Kamala as well. They tried to say that you didn't want to debate her as well. But by the way with her, number one, I'm leading number two. You know, I didn't, they also said it with the primary. So I had like 10, 12 guys, right? In the prime and no stupid guys. I mean,

they're the governors in their Senate. They're not stupid people. Some are stupid, but not all of them. And oh, my God, I said, you have to be in the debate. I said, why? I'm leading by 74 points. The closest guy to me, I'm like 60 points, 70 points higher. Why would I stand there like an idiot for two hours and let every one of them scream at me? I'm going to be the focus. What? Right. And I said, I'm not debating. And it was a very smart thing because you know,

it was, they just killed themselves. They're Republican primers. Yeah. They're Republican primers. Um, with I like debating. I think to be, I think you have to debate. But I like to be fan. I like debating like the Rosio Donald debate. I like debating when you have a great, remember the Rosio. Yeah. Sorry. Funny. Making crazy. Making that was a hell of a question, man. If I didn't come up with that answer, well, what it was is, you know, that was, we had 28,000

people. That was the Cleveland arena with the Cavaliers plate. Right. LeBron James. Not a big fan of LeBron James, but he is a good basketball player. But you know, that was the, and when I said that, the place went crazy. And she's, it's funny. No, she had like 10 other, yeah. Well, Megan said you said it to other people and you admitted you did, but it was funny. It was, it was a comedic time. It was fun. It was what they wanted to do. It was lucky. I did it

because she was drought. Oh, she wasn't fined. That question, but she kept talking, but you put in here to this day. They don't know what she said, but it wasn't buzz. So anyway, but we had a good time. It's comedic timing. And that's the reason why to have an debate, a debate in front of a large audience. And then they probably thought you were the ultimate dinner. I got very good reviews on that. That was great. Very funny. It's a very funny stuff. The Tim Wall stuff was very funny.

Tim Wall. It's funny. That's a real big. That's a crazy one. She said that she had picked him. And this is one of the questions I want to ask her when she was sleep deprived. She said she was suffering from sleep deprivation when she picked him. I was, hey, maybe take a nap. So I was, okay, look, let's see how it all turns out. I think we're going to win. I think we're way ahead now. I think we're way ahead. But, but, um, can I bring it back to T.H. Williams? I think they're going

to look at two things. They're going to say they should have had a primary, even though it was a short primary. Yeah. They shouldn't have picked her. And then she's going to say I shouldn't have picked this guy. She shouldn't have picked that guy. That guy said the line about Tiananmen Square. Everything admitted in that. Yeah. The military record assisting coach versus head coach. Yeah. Little things. So I did McDonald's last week. I saw that. And I actually got a call from your

friends at Google from Sundar. That's pretty good. Right. He said, this is the biggest thing we've had in years. You have McDonald's. Did you know that? It was one of the, it was funny. Who's a great guy, by the way, but he said this McDonald's thing. I want to tell you, it's one of the biggest things we've ever had on Google. It just hit. But the reason I did it, and I actually, you never know about this stuff. I thought it was a throw away. I didn't think our conversations

are throw away. But I thought that was, I thought I'd walk in. And that was only to highlight the fact. And I have a friend of yours like 56 of these McDonald's. And he said, do you want to use one? They said, yeah, I love it. So we went there. And the crowd was crazy. You know, they had 28,000 people around the whole thing. Did you see the outside? It was crazy. The cars couldn't get the secret service was not exactly thrilled. We had no idea what that. But I went into the place and

I did the French fry thing. And it just hit. But that's like in life. Sometimes you do, I thought it was like a quick throw away. We're going to be there for 15 minutes. Then I said, I've worked here for 15 minutes, which is 15 minutes more than she worked here. She lied about McDonald's. And you know, is that proven that she never worth it? Well McDonald's has no information. No, she has no information. There's nobody. The manager said she'd never worked there. You know, it was a certain

place. And he said they never know. She lied. She's a liar. You know what they do? They'll say like on any one of the questions, take any, they'll say, it's the exact opposite of what I say, IVF. He's against IVF, fertilization. Right. He's an, and it's the exact opposite. I was, I came out immediately strongly and they do ads. I'm against it. It's wrong. On every single topic, and you know, she changed policies on 15. I've never seen a guy change, anybody change on more

than one. You know, you can maybe get away with one her whole life fracking every single thing that she was for the confiscation of guns. She wants the confiscation. Now she's saying everybody should have a gun. In fact, we're going to get her a mega cap. I'm going to send her a mega cap. But she's changed. And I don't think people are buying it. I don't think people are buying it. Well, some people are buying it because they want to buy it because it's blue no matter who. There's

a certain percentage of our population that's going to vote Democrat no matter what. That's true. They're pressured. There's their community, their ideology. It's, you know, I don't understand. Right is evil. I don't understand why? Okay, you have a wall or you have a, you know, I built 570 miles of walls. I built a lot of wall exactly the stuff. But you have a border. What I don't understand is who would want people to come into our country from places unknown? Like sometimes

they'll say about a fighter from parts unknown. Right. Remember, he's the old. Those are the others. That's even before you. But who would want people to come in pouring into our country? We don't know anything about it. But that's, I want to ask you this. Why do you think they're doing that? I think because you think they're trying to buy votes. Do you think they're just playing cheap labor? Like what is the idea? It's a couple of theories. They hate our country.

They're stupid or they want to buy votes. It's one of those three things. Yeah. They want it. Now they are trying to get people registered who, you know, don't even know what the country is. And they're trying to give people amnesty people that live here. They're trying to give them a package. They want to give them some. They're in a business ship or they want to. How about what you think about the amount of money that they've given them when they've come here?

The food stamps, the benefits that even our poor people aren't getting. $200 billion. And that's a way low number. That's a way low. You know, it's interesting. New York has always been like, you know, sort of like always looking for money. They've spent $100 billion on this stuff. I don't know where they, and they're not getting the money from the federal government. It's crazy. And because the mayor came out and said, we can't live like this.

They investigated him. He gets it. By the way, I called it. I said, he just got himself indicted. This group is stupid, but they're vicious. They're stupid people, but they're vicious people. The 2020 elections. You say you have all the evidence that it was rigged. Why haven't you put this evidence in a consumable form? I did. I did. I have books on it. And by the way, books have been written on it. We have an author named Hemingway, who is a great writer. She wrote a book on it, but

many books have been written on it. They're a books that are, what's happened is judges don't want to touch it. They would say you don't have standing. They didn't rule on the merits. They rule the merits never got there. The judges didn't have what it took to turn over. Let's talk about the potential vulnerabilities for elections and election fraud. One of them is mail-in ballots. The other one is the if someone can break into voting machines.

If someone can hack voting machines, those are two huge ones. So Elon Musk. I think he said it publicly. I hope he did because I wouldn't want to be the one. But he's a really smart guy. And he's a very good guy with computers. He's one of the smartest people alive. Anybody that can land that 20 story building and perfect in. While he's doing Starlink, while he's talking to me about Elon's Twitter. And then he agrees to Starlink and tweets 100 times a day.

He's an amazing guy. He said to me that unless you have paper ballots, it can never be an honest election. That's a big statement. We should go to paper ballots. You know, France did. They went to mail-in voting and it was all messed up. What can you do? You know the amazing thing with the machines. So we have the machines. They cost 10 times more. Paper ballot would cost 8%. And they make paper ballots. They're

all watermarked and everything else. They're very sophisticated. But if you take a look, paper ballots, 8% the cost. And you're done by nine at luck in the evening. Right? Now we have these sophisticated machines. It goes up to heaven. It goes all over the place and down and around. And they say, we'll need two weeks to figure out who to help one the election. Do you think that's by design? Yeah, I do. I think it's very quick. That's my

opinion. You're allowed to have an opinion. What could, let's say you win in November, what can be done to mitigate these problems? What could be done at a, you know, at the level that the president has power? Well, if I win, that'll be, this will be my last election. But I think I owe it to the country. Yeah. Yeah. But I think I owe it to the country. We have to have fair elections. So how can you fix that? You know, Jimmy Carter was in charge of a commission,

you know, that many years ago. And they put him in scoop jacks and various senators, you know, distinguished people that were retired. And they came up with a report. And the report's primary finding was you cannot have mail-in ballots because of it's a mail-in ballot. You know, I went to the voting booth the last time, whatever it was. And I walked in in Palm Beach, and I walk in, and they know me. They say, Mr. President, could I see your identity? Yes,

boom, here's this, here's that, everything. And then you sit and you, they watch you sign, and you really, there's not a lot you can do. I mean, if you wanted to be dishonest, it's sort of beautiful. Right. If instead of that, I'm going to send them a ballot. Right. It has to go through the postal services. It has to go through a lot of people. They mail you houses that, you know, the house was demolished and the people have left. And it's so bad. The one thing with Jimmy Carter,

he had a very strong commission who's no mail-in ballots. And we're the only one that does elections this way anymore. They've gotten away from it. And this is a, it ticked up in a big way after COVID. It used to be like soldiers serving overseas. They used COVID to cheat. Yeah. Well, they used COVID to certainly push this mail-in ballot. Another thing that they, but they used COVID to cheat. But here's another one. And the last election was a little bit of a, you couldn't even get

security guys. It's big, strong guys to watch. You know what? You'd call them. They'd call them in this session. They were afraid to go out. You know, we had, we were in the middle of COVID. We were in the middle of COVID, right smack in the middle. And they didn't want to die. You know, they didn't want to catch it. It was like, in a way, it was, it was like a ghost town. And the whole thing, but mail-in ballots are a bit. That certainly is a problem. Mail-in ballots are a problem.

But every other country, you know, other countries, you know, voter ID have that. Voter ID is the most bizarre argument that I've never seen anybody articulate in a way that's convincing. Because they want to cheat. Well, it doesn't make sense any other way. I've tried to straw-man it or I tried to steal man it right there. I've tried to like look at it from a position like, why would you not want people to have ID? And a lot of the ideas are just

ridiculous. The idea to get a driver's license. Okay, but here's now the next step. Gavin Newscom, one of the worst governors in the world. And I used to, frankly, I used to get along, but I don't get along with him. Because he's just too, you know, it's just a whole con job. But Gavin Newscom, the other day signed a bill that you are not allowed to ask a person, even ask them whether or not they have voter ID. Now what could be a charitable reason why any

guy would want to cheat? Well, that would be the only thing that makes sense. But that's taking it to the next level. Now, you know, you have ID, the Democrat National Convention, when they had it the last time I saw, they had a sign like a billboard. Are they the name of the person where they live, how they live, who they held their boyfriends? Every single, it was at a big picture. That's for there. They have an idea, a big idea. It was hanging like you were a prisoner.

They had these massive cards, everything. And yet when it comes to the vote, in theory, the most important thing we do, okay, when you go to a grocery store, you give ID, but for a vote, it's supposed to be a sacred thing. And it should be a sacred thing. No voter ID because they want to cheat. Well, it doesn't make sense in any other way. I've tried to look at it. There's no other way. There's no argument that anybody's presented that makes any sense. Why? You know the funny thing,

Joe, the Democrats, the people. They all think you should have it. In other words, you should have everything. If you go to the people, Mrs. Schwartz, Mrs. Smith, Mr. Mrs. Jones, Sure. They say, of course, yeah, Democrats. They say, yes, it's the politicians that don't want it. Like Schumer and these guys, they don't want it because they want to be able to cheat because you know what? If they didn't have it, okay, who is going to vote for somebody that wants open

borders? Who's going to vote for somebody that wants to have a men playing in women's sports? You know, I have never had one person come up to me and say, prison, you got to do something to allow men to play in women's sports. Have you ever just like I've never been called by a polster? I told you my little theory on polsters. Okay. I'm getting myself in trouble with some of these things, but I don't really care. Nobody's ever come up to me and said, we want to have men playing women's

sports. And you know, I had a funny thing at a property owned, I own in California. I have a woman who's a very good athlete and she works there as a manager. And Brian Urlacker, the big Chicago Bears great player, you know, 10 time olds. So I guess Hall of Famer, great guy, big strong guy. And then she said, oh, he's one of my favorite athletes. Can I have a picture? And I took a picture and I said, and I noticed she was the size of his leg. His leg was bigger than

she was. And I put it out, should men play in women's sports? The whole, it's just so ridiculous. What's one of the most bizarre and polarizing ideas that's promoted by the last two? But who wants it? Now, unless you're going to cheat in elections, you never going to get nobody wants it. Right. I don't think anybody wants it. I've never, I've been told everything. You know,

you can, some people want this. I don't know of anybody that wants open borders. Nobody's ever come up to me and say, President, you've got to let the world come into our country. Right. Now, if they won, so they have 21 million, I think it's much harder than that because you have got a ways, you know, got a ways where they just walk in, they walk in. But and the other thing you have is human traffickers. You have traffickers and the traffic and women.

And they're going wild now. We used to, you know, we have to look at trunk of cars. Can you believe it? They put women and trunk. They'll put three women in a trunk. These people are savages. They're horrible. They're worse people. The human and they're making, the kind of money they make on drugs. They're almost making on traffic in now. And the thing that's made it hot is the internet. That's what, you know, you think of it almost as an ancient thing.

But it's the internet. But who would want to have these things? Who would want to have this so much? The transgender operations where they're allowed to take your child when he goes to school and turn them into a male to a female without parental consent. Who wants this? Does anybody want this? I've never heard of anyone. And I can go into 10 different things. The only way they get them is by no voter ID. You can't have voter ID. They don't want any, they want a cheat.

There's only one reason because the voter ID is so basic. It's the most basic thing. It's very basic. Who would want this? They want it so they can cheat because their policies are no good. They're, I'll tell you, they're very smart when it comes to that. They're very smart. Although they're not smart in terms of politics in a way because what do they have that people want? They really don't have, they give away a lot of healthcare, a lot of stuff. But for the most part,

their policies are terrible. Their policy on military. She's running on a tax hike. She's going to raise your taxes. You're going to hear this. We are going to raise your taxes and the people slap. But who is going to win with all my life I grew up with politicians, lower taxes? She's, she's politic in that we are going to raise your taxes. Well, they want to raise the ideas you want to raise the taxes to the highest earners. But they really doesn't really do.

Millionaires and billionaires are not paying their fair share. But it's a narrative, right? And it's a narrative that appeals to people that are not doing well. And they're like, yeah, our problems are that these rich people are not paying taxes. Well, the problem is that the rich people are going to leave and they're going to close up their companies and then the other people

aren't going to have jobs. You know, that's what happens. It does happen in other countries. But the whole, because you brought it up, I'll tell you what, we just, he's doing a very good job in Virginia, Glenn Yonkin. I don't know if you like him and not like, I don't know him. But they, oh, you don't know the governor of Virginia. So we have a case where they found thousands of

illegal ballots, a judge just ruled that they have to be able to vote. Just happened today, just before I walked in here I heard, a judge just ruled that you have to keep those people in. They're illegal. They're illegal votes. Now, I think they'll be overturned at the next court. One thing I've found, because I had a couple of things that they get overturned a little bit, you know, the system, because the system, you have to hope that the appellate judges are honest.

Otherwise, we don't have a country anymore. It's very important. But the whole thing with the legal ballots has got to be looked at. You got to have, you have to have voter ID and you have to have additional ID. You have to have an ID that shows that you're a citizen of the country. I agree. They don't want that either. I agree. One of the things that I want to talk to you about

is the JFK files. One of the things that you said was that if they showed you what they showed me, this was your quote, you wouldn't want people to know it either. So I opened them up partially. I was met with from good people. I mean, you know, look at being good people. People that were well-meaning. Mike Pompeo was one of them. He's a good person. They called me. They said, sir, would rather have you not. After, and I did open them.

But I was asked by some people not to open them. There's a Martin Luther King file too, by the way that they'd like to see. I don't know if you know, but there is that. But JFK in particular. So they called me a lot of good people. Called me people that you would find reasonable people. And they asked me not to do it. So I said, well, we'll close it for another time. But if I went, I'm going to open them up. I'm just going to open enough. Why didn't you open it up the first time?

Because a lot of times the hesitation addresses people that are still living. There are people that are affected. And there could be some national security reason that for, you know, that I don't have to necessarily know about. But some very good talented people asked me not to do it. I opened it up and then they said, would it be possible for us to do that a different day? How much of it did you read into? I think it's going to be just fine to open it. Let me put it that way. I think it's fine.

It's going to be time. It's a cleansing. You know, it's really a cleansing. So I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it immediately, almost immediately upon entering office. Well, the thing, when people look at it from the outside and you sort of imagine what could be a reason why they would not release those files, it would be there's people that were implicated. That's why I know assassination. Yeah. Well, when they're living people, you generally tend not to

want to do it. When people are still living, living people that formerly work for the government, for the government and living people that were somehow involved in it and you tend not to do that. But it's time to open them. I can't tell you whether or not they're going to find anything of interest. And I did partially, but I think I've opened 50 percent, but I was asked not to do it. And I thought that was a reasonable list, but now I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it very soon.

There's a lot of interest in it. One of the things that I'm not interested in, the people coming from space, you know, and I know you're interested in that. Oh, very interested in that. How much do they tell you about that? A lot. Really? Yeah. What do they tell you? How much can you tell? So I How's that work? Is it like super top secret? Tell me, well, based on Hunter Biden, I can say whatever that I want. But now, but I interviewed a few people. It's never been my thing. I have to be

honest. I have never been, I believe. I have people that area 51 or whatever it is. I think it's the number one tourist attraction in the whole country or something. Area 51, let's say, do you know that? Sure. I know what it is. So anyway, but it's a big tourist thing. So I interviewed jet pilots that say they saw something. If you saw them, you'd love to have a musician. I've had a couple in here, Commander David Fraver. Yeah. I had him in who had that sighting in 2004, very, very

compelling with visual, visual video evidence radar evidence. I interviewed Brian Graves. I don't believe his name, but I interviewed jet pilots that were solid people. Perfect. I mean, great pilots, great everything. And they said, we saw things, sir, that were very strange. Like a round ball, but it wasn't a comet or a meteor. It was something. And it was going four times faster than an F-22, which is a very fast plant, you know, and it was round, which is an interior great shape.

So when you were talking to these people, was this something that you were compelled to have conversations about? Was this your personal interest? A little bit. It's not a great interest for me, but it's a little interest. I get that question as much as almost any question. Do you think that we have aliens coming, you know, flying around or whatever? What do you think? There's no reason not to, I mean, there's no reason not to think that Mars and all these planets

don't have life, you know, because we... Well Mars, we've had probes there and rovers and I don't think there's any life there. Well, maybe there was life there at one point in time. This is a speculation about Mars. Mars had an atmosphere at one point in time, a long time ago that could support life. It also had large bodies of water, but we've had no evidence of even bacterial life

that exists on Mars. But these are pretty fast. It's not been a big thing for me. I mean, when I looked at what China did to this, they would have never done it with me, where they put the balloon up, and a lot of people thought, and a lot of people thought for a little while that that was one of these things. Well, that's a lot of the speculation too, that some of these drones that hover over battleships, that these are Chinese drones, and that they're not UFOs. They could be also.

There's some super sophisticated... But I did interview, let's say three or four guys, that... And without tremendous interest, if you had them, as I said, you'd love to have them as your children. Solid, beautiful people. They said, sir, there's something there. You know, they... There's something there.

Yeah, I've talked to quite a few of them. And I can speak to you guys. Well, I mean, just the commander, David, favorite thing in 2004 off the coast of San Diego, they clocked that thing going from 50,000 feet above sea level to 50 in a second. They don't know what it is. I stuffed a bit. Yeah, they saw something in the water. It was hovering over that something that was making a disturbance in the

water. They got video evidence of this thing. Two different fighter jets with pilots in them saw it. There's, you know, visual evidence, photographic evidence, video evidence, radar evidence. Whatever the hell it is, it moves in a way that would turn a human being in a jello if they're inside of it. The G-Force, no one would survive. So, what is that? And we don't... It doesn't have a heat-nosed signature. They don't know what their propulsion system was. But... When you fly

in some of these jets, these pilots have to be in great shape. Oh, yeah. I flew with the blue angels once. Yeah. I guess it's the old 18. And those are older machines. And they're crazy. When you fly in some of these things, yeah. But you gotta imagine you gotta be special. But these things that these people are encountering are far superior to what we know of. Is it possible that there's some military or government program that you weren't, that they didn't tell you about? I think I had a great

relationship with the military, basically. But, you know, I didn't like certain people. I would have gotten them out if I thought, if I were... If the election was different, I would have fired, you know, all of them quickly. Something most of them I did for are... Biden should have fired every military person involved with Afghanistan. He should have had a lot of fires. You know, if you look at him, he told Israel not to do anything. At least Israel's not gonna look at it a bomb the way they

would have been. Think if they listened to Biden, they'd be waiting for a bomb to drop on their head right now. He's been wrong about so much. I guess you'd have to say that she's been wrong too, because, you know, they... She always said they made the decision together. But, uh... Israel didn't follow his advice. And I think it was a very... You know, there... It's a very... The Middle East is rapidly changing. You know, there are profits to say the world will come to an end in the Middle East,

you know, that, right? And we have weapons today that are so scary when you look... I rebuilt them all. And when you look at the weapons we have today, the biggest threat we have in the world today is nuclear weapons. And we have other weapons too that are devastated. But the nuclear weapons, the biggest threat we have in the world today. And that's what you... I was talking about de-escalation with both China and Russia. I'm telling you, we were gonna de-escalate. They were

gonna de-escalate. You gotta be careful. We're a little tricky playing with them, because they say we're gonna do it and they don't do it maybe. But they understood the curse too. It's a curse. It's China's way behind us, but they'll catch us within five years. So let's imagine, let's say you win in November. What do you do differently? And how do you change this course that it seems we are on

for World War Three? How do you get us out of Ukraine? How do you stop what's going on in the Middle East? How do you put a stop to this? Well, it's a very... To me, it's an easy question, because I think I can do it easily, but it's a complex question in the sense that the times change, every day changes. Who's winning? Who's not winning? I mean, Russia's a war machine. Whether you like it or not, it just grinds along. Grinds along. You speak to people like Victor Orbalt. You'll tell you,

it's just a big fat war machine. And that's what's happening. You look at what's happened to Ukraine. If I were there, it would have never happened. But what could you do now? If you get in office in China, what could you do now? Right now, you would get both of them. I know both very well. And again, I do not want to tell you, you know, for the purpose of looking smart to five people that, you know, that say, oh, he was great, because if I told you exactly what I do, I could never make the

deal. All I can tell you is that I would meet with Putin and I would meet with him. And I know exactly what I'd say to each one of them. And I believe that as President-elect, I would get that war stopped and stopped fast. You know, we have tremendous power in the United States if you know how to use the power. I stopped other wars just by the use of tariffs. I got Macron of France. Good guys like a friend of mine, but he's a wise guy. And he's a person that likes France. And he was

going to tax our companies. I say, and I said, all the smartest guys I sent him in Newtion, they all failed me. And I said, I'll do it myself. And I called him. I said, Emmanuel, you're taxing American companies. We're not going to allow you to do that. Oh, Donald, I cannot do it. I don't think I can do it. It's already been passed. I said, Emmanuel, if you do that, I'm going to put a hundred percent tariff when your wines and champagne are coming to the United

States. And you're going to regret that you ever did it. He said, Donald, please, that's not fair. Anyway, within about two minutes, he dropped the whole thing and it was massive amounts of money against American companies. I have to protect American companies. So why doesn't the Biden administration do it? Because they're incompetent. They don't know how to talk. Look, they met in Alaska with the Chinese. And the Chinese lectured them about how badly we treat people.

All right? Okay. I mean, think of it. You remember that? It was like in a, they didn't talk to me that way. They never, they respected me. They respected our country. They don't respect our country. They don't respect Biden. They don't respect her. They're dreaming about her. Because she's incompetent. She's not a smart person. Look, she can't put two sentences together. She talks, I watch her two nights. I watched her last night too. It was the same thing. She's not a

smart person. These guys are very smart and they're very street wise and they're very tricky and evil and dangerous. And if she becomes the president of the United States, which I can't believe can happen, I don't think this country is going to make it. I don't think we'll ever be. I think, I think bad, just really bad things will happen to our country. And you know what? I look at the outside forces and I say they can all be handled because we have a pot of gold. But we're not going to have

that pot of gold to play with anymore. You know, it's a great negotiating thing. I told you, I knocked out this massive car company going to take all of our car business from Detroit. I knocked it out just by my rhetoric. Rhetorically, I said, they'll never sell a car in here. I'll put tariffs. I don't care. The 2000% they're never going to build that plant. Is it possible to apply that same thing to the electronics that we use? One of the things that disturbs me greatly is that all of our

phones are made overseas. And then some of our phones are made in places like, yes, and the chips. And some of our phones are made in places like Foxconn where they have nets around the building to

keep people from jumping off the roof because they have so many suicides. Like, wouldn't it be better to have an American-made iPhone where you know people who are paid good wages, they have health insurance, they're taken care of, they can live a good life, where you're not buying a piece of electronics that's cheaper because someone has to suffer a horrible, in a horrible way that's not even legal in the United States. It's not even legal to have them work that way in the United States

so they get these people to build them overseas. You do it, but let me just say that chip deal is so bad. We put a billions of dollars for rich companies to come and borrow the money and build chip companies here and they're not going to give us the good companies anyway. All you had to do is charge them tariffs. If you were to put a tariff on the chips coming in, you would have been able to just like the auto companies, no different, more sophisticated, but no different. You know,

Taiwan, they stole our chip business. Okay, they want us to protect and they want protection, they don't pay us money for the protection, you know, the mob makes you pay money, right? But with these countries that we protect, I got hundreds of billions of dollars from NATO countries that were never paying us. And my biggest fan of Stoltenbrook who just left us the, you know, director general as a secretary general, good guy. He said, Bush came, he made a speech, Obama came,

he made a speech, Trump came, he said, you guys are paying, you got to pay. And they said, will you protect us from Russia? If we don't, I said, no, you got to pay. If you don't pay, billions of dollars came in to NATO. When I see us paying a lot of money to have people build the chip, that's not the way. You didn't have to put up 10 cents. You could have done it with a series of tariffs. In other words, you tariff, it's so high that they will come and build their

chip companies for nothing. In other words, Joe, you put a big tariff on the chips coming in. I say, you don't have to pay the tariff. Well, you have to do his build your plant in the United States. We didn't have to give them the money to build a plant. Besides that, they're very rich companies. These chip companies, they stole, they stole 95% of our business. It's in Taiwan right now. They do a great job. But that's only because we have stupid politicians. We lost the chip

business. And now we think we're going to pay. You can't build it that way. You have to make them spend their money in the United States. And those plants would open up all of them. And they'll fund them. We don't have to put up 10 cents. And I am in the process of making a huge speech at about a little while. And you and I, how long have we been talking? A long time. Let's go. Like three hours. I got to make a speech. But we'll do it again. I want to do it again with you.

Okay. Or something. They said, I said, how long will this list anywhere from an hour to three or four? How long we do, Jamie? Three hours. Good. Well, we'll do it again. I thought it was, I think it's, I think it was great. It was a lot more. You are a fascinating guy. And thank you. You're doing a great job. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. And thank you very much. It's been an honor. It's been an honor. I'm going to make a great speech. And I'm going to say, and I'm on my little off

tonight. I'm going to blame you. I'm going to say, I spoke to this guy for three hours. Anyway, it's a great honor to be here. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Good luck to you. Thank you very much. All right. Bye. This episode of the Joe Rogan Experience is brought to you by Call of Duty. You know, when a new Call of Duty drops, everyone's trying to find a way to squeeze in those extra hours of gameplay. I get it. Life is busy, but sometimes you just, hey, Joe, it's the Replacer. Yeah. No,

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