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I'm still just the same fan that I was before I even got into the business. I met Daniel Day Lewis in a motel eight in Camistoga, New York State. I saw a guy and he said, do you mind if I take your photograph so we went out into the car park of this motel eight and this guy took a photograph and about seven or eight months later, a copy I would arrive at my house in Australia.
I'd basically just written Russell Crowe Australia and Senator. I have a copy of it. It's a funny thing. I was there was the boxing hall of fame. I was there with Angela Dundee and he was there with Barry McGwiggand. That's awesome. It was just unexpected. It was a cool thing. It was such a nice fella too. Daniel Day Lewis is a real legend because he's one of those guys just like disappears for a couple of years and makes shoes just a real art.
He's probably got independent wealth. He's just a different kind of human. Any guy who can just walk away like that and just decide to make shoes, that's the real deal. It's pretty special. Some people try to pretend to be quirky. They try to pretend to be eccentric and then there's the real mess. The actual eccentric is so fascinating to me.
For a guy like you know, to me, to guy like that, he's one of those odd ones. But you are too. It's interesting to hear from a person that is a guy like you that still feels weird to meet people that you admire their work. I always feel the same way. I always feel like this is going to go away. And I'm like, no, Russell Crowe. How wow. I met Dennis Quaid the other day. Same thing. It's like, alright, it's Dennis Quaid.
Cool. It seems so strange. Yeah. I, um, if I was to explain to my childhood self, my 10 year old self, what was in front of me and the people that I would meet and the things that I would experience in the context that you know, I've come along in my life.
My little brain would have just exploded. There's just no way I could have possibly imagined this life was going to unfold in front of me. How could you? I mean, you'd have to be so ambitious. You'd have to have the most crazy expectations possible. Yeah. And I, you know, my first thing when I was leaving school is just don't have a boring life. Just don't, you know, find some way of like being able to express yourself.
Um, my first job out of school, my first official job was working for an insurance company, commercial union insurance, inputting the details of policies. Oh, not off to great start. Man, there was a funny thing though, because I learned a lot in the my short time there. In the summer before I'd worked as a nightclub DJ.
And I got fired because I couldn't talk. I was too nervous to talk on the microphone. Wow. So I have to like five or six weeks they shuffled me off. You know, and the guy really, you know, Doug, what I was playing and how I got the dance floor moving and everything. But, you know, he says, you know, I need to sell toast to sandwiches man. You have to tell people that the kitchen's open.
So, you know, I left school, partway through the last year, you know, in New Zealand, they have a different thing where you have a burst three year after normal high school finishes. And in your burst three year, if you achieved to a certain degree, you get money towards a university degree, you know, but it was clear to me in that last year.
And my dad was out of work and I wasn't going to be able to get a university. We couldn't afford that sort of thing. You know, it would only would have cost you know, three and a half or four grand or something like that back in the day. But that was beyond our means as a family. I started working at this insurance company. And I was the only person in the building of a big insurance company who had actually passed matriculation into university.
And the general manager of the company, you know, sat me down to tell me that one day, you know, you're the only person with, you know, the higher school certificate, what they call university entrance in New Zealand in the building. And I just watched this thing unfold. The coolest dude in the building was this salesman, right? And he had a beard and a walk, kind of cool sunglasses and everything.
And remember the day he bought a new pair of shoes and all the girls in the building, oh, have you seen whatever his name is, new shoes and porn and they were all fluttering over him and stuff like that. And this guy was the best salesman they had and blah, blah, you know. And in the time that I was there, I watched those new shoes, get age on them and start cracking at the side and stuff like that, you know, because he obviously used them a lot.
And he did a lot of walking around talking to people, you know. And just as I was leaving, I ever heard a discussion where he was planning on getting some new shoes to get. And I was like, yeah, definitely, definitely, I don't want to. I don't want to be here. I don't want to be that guy. I had a similar situation when I was driving limousines. We were driving limos and it was one of my jobs that I was doing when I was trying to make it as a stand-up comedian.
And you would work long hours. Like if you tried to leave after eight hours, they wanted you to work 12, 16 hours a day. And there's this one guy and he had a Cadillac and the boss pulls the society. He says, look at this guy over here. He's got a Cadillac. He makes $60,000 a year. And he doesn't have to bust his ass. You know, he's sitting down all day in a nice car and driving people around. And this could be you too.
I was like, I got to get the fuck out of here. He was my first dog. I knew that guy was working 16 hour days. That's all he did. All he did was work. And yeah, yeah, nice car. I'm sure he had a nice house. I was like, I got to get the fuck out of here. I got to get the fuck out of here. Sometimes people like that are good for you. The universe puts them in front of you just so you can say, this is a trap. Well, he is your example. Yes. Yeah. So what do you want? Option A or Option B?
Did you ever meet anyone who was an actor? Did you know of anyone that had made a living doing that? Well, all through my life, for sure, because my parents at a certain point time were caterers on film sets. So that's how I got my first job. My mom's Godfather was a TV producer who's famous in the Australian industry, not so much anymore because the generations passed. But he was the tightest producer to work for. The cheapest bastard on the block.
And he was famous for that. And I mean, I still know Jack Thompson today. I did a scene with Jack Thompson when I was six years old. I did my first line of dialogue on camera. Wow. I made a movie with him playing his son when I was 25 or 26 and like that. I bought a property near where his property is in the bush because he was kind of like a mental. Not, you know, I mean, he's still talking about an hour's drive away, but in the bush that's nothing.
And I still know him today and he's in his eighties now. So I had people like that. When I was 12, I went to an acting job when I was six and then another one I was eight. And then I kind of forgot about it for a while. And then I went on a school tour of a TV studio. And it was a TV show called The Young Doctors was being made in that studio. And there was a, a bit part actor, a guy called Roy Harris Jones, who had been on the couple of shows that my parents had done.
And now I like them a lot and blah, blah, blah. I hadn't seen him for years. And there he was on that show. And, you know, while the other kids are there going on their tour, he goes, are you here for an audition? I said, no, I haven't, I haven't done anything like that for ages. And he goes, come on, let's go down the corridor and meet the casting director. So I split away from the tour. I thought the other kids go off. And you know, this is a camera, this is a controller.
And they're doing all that stuff. And I go down and the casting director had a minute. So she sat me down and talked to me and all that sort of stuff. And two weeks later I was back in that building shooting a character on the tour. Wow. And then that kind of reignited that part of, you know, my imagination. But, you know, coming out of school and everything, I really thought that I was simply going to, you know, I was going to go into music.
That was my thing. You know, if I was going to pursue and think it was going to be music. But basically I would accept any job that allowed me to be in a position of entertaining people. So that's why I went into the nightclub thing with the, with being a DJ. And my first night, the second time, because you know, obviously I had failed the first time around and been fired because I couldn't talk.
The second time around, I'd audition for this place, but they hadn't given me the job they gave to somebody else. But they ended up firing him after two nights because him and the guy that ran the club didn't get on. You know, so they called me up on a Sunday afternoon. And they said, are you free tonight? Can you come and DJ at the club? We've got a bunch of 1950s records because of some 1950s music only club, you know. And have you got a turntable? You know, and I said, I've got one.
So I went in that night with like an orange plastic sharp turntable, right? Plugged it in through the headphone socket and played these records. But I had one turntable, so I couldn't switch. So I have to talk. Because every time a song finishes, I have to pick up the needle. They are. Pick up the record. You know, get the next one, put it down. Then put things so it was, it was just a crazy circumstance.
It was like it was created to make sure that I absolutely broke through whatever that fear was. Immediately now that I had another chance, you know. I ended up staying, you know, working pretty much full time for about four years in that job. But it expanded a whole bunch of other stuff because the guy started getting me to perform on stage. You know, the guy that was working with me once he started hearing my songs and everything.
He said, all right, okay, my third set, the end of the night you come on. Just do your songs, though. You're not allowed to do songs, people know. Wow. I'd like to have to go out. People have been listening to these old classic 1950s songs all night. And now there's some young, pimply bloke in front of them singing bullshit. What are you doing? But it was a real, you know, baptism of fire.
You also had me to with him, you know. So we would be on Thursday, Friday, Saturday in Auckland in the big city. And then Sunday through Wednesday, we're, you know, in a truck and a car and everything. And we're touring. We're going playing with these other pubs and stuff. And he fancied himself. He was sick. It's an agronistic thing. His whole life, this guy that I was working for was about the 1950s of war. Blue Swage shoes or Winkle Pickers, Stove White Trails, drape coats.
You know, he had a Cadillac probably, the only Cadillac in New Zealand at the time. And he had this thing about like, you know, Elvis used to have a comedian opening for him. So somebody should go out and tell jokes before I come on, right? And so part of my job was to walk out and tell a joke that he had told me to tell. Right? I couldn't make up my own material. Right? And these jokes were fucking terrible. Right? They were just trash. And trying to make that thing work.
And I, like one night I said to him, why, you know, why don't you let me just go out and say something actually funny or whatever? He goes, because I want people to be happy to see me. Right? Oh my God. He said it up on purpose. Absolutely. He actually said to me at one point in time, never ever as a performer, never ever bring somebody on stage who's better than you. And as I was a guest, I was on stage every night of the week. I was like, oh, right. So you're telling me I'm shit.
The only reason I've got the job is because I'm shit because I make you look better. But I, you know, in my own sort of performing life over time, I changed that rule completely. I only ever bring somebody on stage who's going to absolutely shred the room. You know, and over time, you know, with the live performances, you know, we've had guests like Elvis Costello, who were stinging last year, Michael Buble got up with us.
He didn't know of a song at the end of a show just at the Sydney Opera House actually killed the room. Rita Aura got up last year, Rizza from the Wu Tang clan. He got up. He's a made-of-mind Bobby Diggs. He, we got up in a, like a 350, 400 standing room only, little pub in a ball main, an area of Sydney. And then suddenly, pow, the Rizza's on the stage. He was good. Wow. Yeah. So I learned a lot from him, but I didn't learn the things he was trying to teach me.
Well, that's a great philosophy to have the best people going in front of you. We have a similar problem with that in comedy, like a lot of like big name headliners still like to bring terrible opening acts. So they're like a hero in the rescue show. I have the exact opposite. I have your approach. I try to bring the best people possible. It's more fun for me too. It's more fun for the audience too. Yes. And that's the whole thing about live performance is catering for the audience.
Yes. The energy of the show. What do you enjoy? Do you enjoy one thing more? Or do you enjoy both things? That's a very difficult question to answer without pages of nuance. You know, because... I enjoy nuance. Well, I'll give it a go. The bottom line is I love my job. I love working on films every single day that I'm walking towards the camera. You know, I will have a plan. I know what I'm about to do.
And I chose to be here. I work with lots and lots of actors who just took the role because of Blubla. They're not really there because of the work. But when you know the job and you know that you're talking about 4 a.m. starts, you're talking about minimum 12 hours a day. You know, you're talking about working in extreme conditions and stuff like that, temperature wise or you know, somewhere kind of whack to get an amazing shot. You know, when you know the job, you know how hard it is.
You really got to have your reasons for being there. So I'll read scripts and I will generally do the one that got under my skin. It can have a great pedigree. It can be a wonderful director. It can have a great cast. But if I read it and I don't get personally attached to it, I just don't do it. And then I'll read something else that everybody else is like, oh, it's kind of dodgy or whatever. But there's like, that scene against me. That one. I want to do that.
I want to be the guy doing that dialogue. And so, you know, I know exactly why I'm at work. So when it gets hard and it gets difficult, it doesn't worry me because I chose to be here. So I don't have that thing that some actors have of like getting disgruntled with it. Sure, you know, it's my employment. It's how I pay for everything. It's, you know, and all of those things. But it's also like a deep, deep passion, you know.
And stepping into the shoes of other people and experiencing, you know, to a degree, things of somebody else's life or learning a new skill or whatever it happens to be. This is exciting for me. And I'm 60 years old. And I still dig it. I don't have any, you know, because that one simple thing. I know why I'm there. Yeah. At 4am when it's like a ball-busting wake-up time because you had a big day the day before.
I know why I'm there. So it's sort of like my motivations and stuff are, you know, very clear in that respect. Now with music, it in itself is its own reward, you know, to play a song, to sing a song, to be with a group of musicians and to sort of gel on something together. It's just like, thank you very much. That's the reward. To then put it in front of a crowd and then have that immediate response.
You know, obviously I work with a lot of actors over the years that come from a theatre background. And even though I've done a lot of theatre, I come from a rock and roll background. I come from out of club as I come from, you know, standing on that stage. This thing in my Dweebe 16-year-old songs, you know, 16-year-old, author by 16-70-year-old. And to me, that's my reset place. You know, people will talk to you like Anthony Hopkins. I was working with him.
He'd done a series of films this his way back in the 90s, you know. And I think he was off to do a season of King Lear and he was really happy about it because for him that's a reset. You go back into that place where you came out of and you get all the benefits of doing the same performance over and over again. So you get to, you know, squeeze all the different character sort of parts that you can, you know, and enjoy it. That's his reset.
But for me, walking out onto a rock and roll stage, guitar in hand, where I do not know exactly what's going to happen that night. Because every audience takes things in a different direction, you know. That's my reset. You know, it's like jumping out of a plane and I love doing it, you know. Yeah, they have different buttons they push. Yeah, I mean, it's performance. But, you know, there's a visceral thing that happens within front of a live audience.
You know, that just doesn't happen in the sterile environment of a film set, you know. And you can have wonderful creative relationships on a film set and great collaborations and all that sort of stuff. The same that you can have in music, you know. But there's that other part of it. There's that thing that sort of, I don't know, it gives you something back, man. It fills you back up again. Yeah. Well, you're creating an experience for people.
And they're enjoying it in the moment and you're all sharing that moment. I always feel bad for people that have never done something like that. Never performed in front of a live audience and gave everybody a great time. Yeah, it's like, yeah, I actually understand what you mean because it is something to have in your DNA. It's a rare gift that a person gets to live their life doing that a lot. Yeah. I was thinking about what we might talk about.
And this is a story I like to tell if you're into it's quite a long story, though. Please. So back in the 90s, the thing about this story is it's sort of like this casually shows you how much of a circus the film industry can be. You know what I mean? And part of the attraction of it when I was a young actor. And you know, and you know, later in my 20s moving to Australia and doing theatre and stuff like that. And then looking at film people that's sort of like a rare breed, you know.
And then you get into it and you realize you're going to be pretty much crazy to do this. You know, it's sort of like this. You know, over time it's gotten definitely safer, more insurance conscious and all of these things. You know, back in the day, not so much, you know, everything was about just getting the shot. So, 92 is the first time I go to Los Angeles. But I'd already made a bunch of films in Australia. And I'd been to the Cannes Film Festival.
So my first time traveling outside of Australia in New Zealand was 1991. So I was like 27 or something like that. You know, and then the year after I went to LA and got an agent. But I'd won a bunch of awards in Australia and my films had been around to different film festivals and stuff. So there was awareness of what I was doing in the industries, sort of thing, so to speak.
And I got this phone call to go and meet Bernardo Bertolucci, the Italian director, who won the Oscar for the last emperor. Fantastic director, you know. He also did last tango in Paris and a bunch of other films. And I was really excited. I was like, well, fantastic. So I get to Bernardo's house. And he's watching a football game. It's Italy vs Brazil, right? He's got a bunch of people over to watch the football. So I'm so just, oh, you know, I thought we were having a meeting.
I didn't realize it was a football game on. And Italy didn't do very well. They got beaten by Brazil. So I never had a conversation with Bernardo because after the game, he just went off to his room or something to have a cry. I'm not sure. But I met his wife and her name was Claire Peplow. And she was a film director. And, you know, she said, look, you know, I encourage Bernardo to invite you to the house because, you know, I know he wants to talk to you about something.
But I want to talk to you as well. I've had this script and she gave me the script and was called Miss Shumway Waves A Wond. And I was, you know, very much in the independent film world at the time. So that sounded like a good title for an independent film, you know. And I read it and it was pretty good. It was based on this book. And I liked the character. So I sort of, you know, responded to it and eventually ended up doing it.
And Bridget Fonda was signed on as the female lead. So that was cool, you know, she was pretty happening at the time. I have a funny thing that goes on with my brain. If I'm like faced with, I'm reading something and there's like a difficult moment in something that I'm liking. Right? Where my brain just goes, hmm, to be dealt with later. All right? I worry about that when I have to. And there was this scene where a spider would crawl into the mouth of the character I was playing.
I was thinking, hmm, I wonder how they're going to do that CGI or something like that, you know. Yeah. Anyway, so off we go on this adventure and we're shooting in Guatemala and Mexico. And it's an extremely disorganized shoot, you know, we don't have nothing's right. You know, at one point time for seven days, we lived on refried beans and rice in Guatemala because they hadn't made any arrangement with any kind of catering company or anything.
You know, so that was the only thing that they could get easily. So it was breakfast lunch and dinner. Refried beans and rice. Wow. And they ended that week. One of the guys on the film crew found this like cafe that sold some form of grilled meat. And we all just like went there in the middle of this rainforest and ate this meat and realized later on it was more than likely we're eating the monkeys that would run around the trees around us because everybody got really sick. Really sick.
Anyway, so we're going through this experience and we eventually get back to Los Angeles. And we've got like a couple of weeks shooting in LA. And we go out to a place called Lancaster, I think it was. There's an old film studio out there. And I see on the call sheet, oh, it's the spider sing. Cool. So as I arrived at the studio, this guy, this producer comes out to meet me and you know, Russell, everything good. And I said, yeah, cool. So we're shooting the spider sing today.
And he goes, yes, it's going to be great. So everything you find. I said, yeah, cool. But how are we going to do this? Is this going to be like a CGI thing or whatever you're, oh, no, no, the tarantula man is here. Do I fucking what? The tarantula man's here. And he has shown a variety of creatures to the director and she has chosen the largest. It's going to be a great day. Anyway, good luck with it. And off he goes. So I go inside and they show me, look, he's a piece of carpet.
You're going to be lying down here. The carpet matches a place where, you know, a hotel room would shot in. And so what's going to happen is you're going to lie down here. They're going to place the tarantula on your chest. The tarantula Wrangler will give it a little tickle. And as long as you keep your mouth open, it will head directly for your mouth. They always look for places to hide. So you've just got to keep your mouth open. Your tickle, tickle, tickle.
The tarantula will run up here and into your mouth. And then the guy will pluck it out of your mouth, you know. Like, okay, cool. So they turn on all these hot lights, right? I lie down on the ground. The tarantula gets put on my chest now. Tarantula. Bigger than my hand. Right? It's a serious spider. Now, obviously I've lived in Australia most of my life, whatever. I'm used to spiders, you know. That was a large one, right? So on my chest, tickle, tickle, tickle.
Up it comes, up it comes into my mouth, right? And the guy plucks it out, done. And I'm thinking to myself, good little spider. One take, wonder. Fantastic. Did everything we need. And I'm like, cool. So that was good. They go, oh no, no. We're just going to shoot it again. We just have to adjust the lights. Second take, third take. Now, one of the things that the producer had said to me in the car park, right?
Looked me in the eye and said to me, it's not dangerous to use the tarantula because before doing something like this, they milk it of its venom. So it's perfectly safe. So I've taken that on board, right? So we take two, take three, take four. We ran about after the fifth take. Now, these lights in that room are very, very hot. And my body is starting to really warm up. And we're taking a long time between takes, resetting lights and all that.
But after about the fifth take, I get a moment to talk to tarantula man. How you doing? And all that sort of stuff. Pretty cool that you can milk the venom from the tarantula so they can do things like this. And he just looks at me really confused. You can milk the watt. Okay, so what I thought was my only safety net gone, right? So take six, take seven. And I'm starting to really get hot.
These are, you know, I wouldn't be surprised if they're old, clean lights, you know, because it like didn't look like anybody used this studio for a long long time. And I'm heating up. At one point in time, it was about take seven or eight. And the spider just stops on my neck and starts to sort of like spread its legs out. And just sort of like grab at me, you know, and it's sort of pulsing, you know.
And then I'm sort of like just lying there, go, and then tarantula guy tickles it up and goes, you know. And I'm kind of like, well, what was that? How long is it up to sitting your mouth for? It's only just a couple of seconds. As soon as it started going into the mouth, the guy would just grab it out, you know, because they can cut around that as long as they see it going in. Then they can cut around it to make it look like it's disappeared in there. So take eight. That happens.
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So currently what you have going on is your body is full of tarantula phantom. But not enough to hurt you or even make you just, you're just going to have this rash. So here's this white man. Take this pill a few days from now. You'll be right. And the reason that I wanted to tell you the story and your listeners is because you can check this. You can Google away. You know, pretty sure in the history of cinema, I'm the only Academy Award winning actor.
Has ever been fucked in the neck by tarantula? Was that what he was doing? Apparently. It just decided that was a good spot. Just decided I was moist and juicy and it was going to have its way with me. Oh, yeah. I know about those fibers. Those fibers are nasty. They cause a real problem with people. I was hoping you weren't going to see your allergic tarantulas. No, but I did find out I was allergic to one of the things that they tried to fix it with.
It comes up quite a bit. Every time I had major injuries and stuff like that, I can't even remember the name of it now. But the go to thing that they inject into you to take away the initial pain. Cortisol? Yeah, cortisol. I'm allergic to cortisol. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, it is not. Yeah, that is odd. That could be a real problem, especially if you don't know. Yeah, well, that's when it was around about then I found out.
Goddamn, man. So is that like the most uncomfortable you've ever been in a scene? Hell no. Really? No, man. I had to go into the water on the southwest coast of Iceland. Shirtless for a Darren Aronowski movie. Now cold that water is man. Oh, yeah. You know, 15 minutes you're dead. And I was just walking in there and I had to drop into a chest first, right? You know, Noah collapses into the water or whatever it was. But it was weird. I hit that water.
And like I'm, you know, displayed out like that. But every muscle in my body contracted was like, I hovered back out of the water. You know, it's like I get the water. I came straight back out. Back on the my feet. I know how I did it, but it was so cold.
But you know, I mean, temperatures one thing, you know, and you tend to in the film business, you know, if you're, if the script says that it's bright and sunny and you're in the Bahamas, you're probably going to end up shooting that somewhere far away from the Bahamas. And it's going to be freezing. You know, it's always like that. You know, it's like a given that whatever it says is going to be the opposite for you know, the whatever the most comfortable way of shooting that scene might be.
There'll be something that makes it uncomfortable. But you know, I mean, in terms of discomfort on comfort on film says, you know, physical discomfort. And when you're doing fight sequences or things like that, you know, because they can sometimes take a long, long time. I shredded both my hamstrings while I was doing Noah. I flew back to Australia to watch a football game. Actually, my football team that I bought in 2006, it finally made a preliminary final after many years of trying.
And I wanted to be there to witness that we ended up losing the game. So it was a waste of money. But I flew back to Australia and it was also coincided with my youngest athletic day at school. And I was doing Noah. I fit as a bull, strongest and ox. Absolutely. So I rock up to the little athletics day, you know. And they asked me if I would step in and do this, you know, little running race, you know, things. So I said, yeah, cool.
So one of my sons, friends was in the race and he was coming last. So I ran up behind him and I was talking to him about, you know, about going fast or whatever. But I had to really sprint to catch up to him because I was a long way back. And I hadn't really noticed that all the kids, because I was out behind him, he got really excited.
And they jumped up and they're all standing on the finish line. Right. And so I sort of, you know, I got up behind and I let him like just pass me them and so he could win. They will go crazy and stuff like that. But then I have to put the brakes on. I put the brakes on my hamstrings. I'm lying on the ground like vibrating. And my little boys there and he's only like seven or something at the time. He's like, that was fun. You know, dad, you know, I couldn't talk.
And I was like, unbelievable man. And there was a teacher who'd seen what happened. And he went hamstrings. And I said, I think so man. And he had some tape. So I just taped my legs up under my shorts and then he helped me stand up. And I had to get on a plane that night and go back to the film set on Long Island and run to the arc with 5,000 extras. You know, 50 times with, you know, I mean, I think, you know, we had a rain tower set up.
It's the biggest in the history of cinema for that. You know, so I'm getting rained on with these gigantic drops. I got 5,000 extras around me. Actually, no, not 5,000. Maybe about a thousand extras around me. And I've got no hamstrings. And it's seen requires me to run. And because I've taken time off the set, everything I can't tell anybody that I've injured myself. I just have to get on with it. I didn't want any insurance problems or anything else. You know, so that was, that was crazy.
And that sequence went on for days. So it was like, you know, I literally meant was just getting like K T tape and just taping them off. Jesus Christ. Both hamstrings blown. Having to run. That's insane. Yeah, but at your skids, your kids, your kids athletics thing. It was like, that's just such a cliche. It's ridiculous. But I think it was to do with the fact that, you know, even though I warmed up that morning and I went to the gym and I went on a bike ride and everything.
And I got there, you know, in good shape. It was like, must have just been the hour sitting around watching the races and everything. Just cooled me down too much and then happened to stop so suddenly just to make sure to barrel into those kids. But yeah, that was, that was definitely uncomfortable. What are the rain towers? How do they do that? Well, basically get big cranes and they hoist up grids that are laid with host pipe and the pipe comes down the tower to a water tank.
And at a certain point, you know, they turn on the pump and they operate like sprinklers basically. But if you imagine, like a metal grid in the air where every joining point of pipes is another sprinkler head. And I think we had two and a half football fields worth of, you know, where we could soak at the push of a button. All the rain starts and, you know, holy shit.
Yeah, because you'd see that, I don't know if you've ever seen the movie, but there's these big wide shots of all these people running towards the arc and this rain falling. So we had that whole area had to have a rain. So here it is. Yeah, right. That's incredible. That's all done with towers. Yeah. Oh, that's after I've already, I think I've already run in at that point.
It was such an intense movie because the story is so crazy. Yeah. It's the time old story of the savior of the human race after God's wrath. Yeah. It's a lot of wheat playing a role like that. Yeah, a little bit. Yeah. What I thought was that the funniest thing with that stuff is when that movie came out, all of this sort of pushback press about how, you know, I look at this, Darren Aronofsky, this New York elite has made Noah into a story about the environment.
It's always been a story about the environment. What did you talk about? This is about a flood, mate. Literally. It's like what? It was just so weird. There was like article after article pushing back as if he had done something, you know, against Christianity or whatever, but by acknowledging that this is a story about our environment and how we treat our environment and blah, blah, blah.
Yeah, I, you know, I quite enjoy the film, but it's harsh. It's a harsh, you know, telling, you know, but he did promise me, Darren, at the beginning of that experience. He said never at any stage, which I thought was funny because he was roofing off a thing that Ridley Scott did. Ridley Scott said, I promise you don't have to wear sandals and I promise you you never have to lie on a couch and have somebody feed your grape.
So let's do a movement movement. So Darren's version was that never at any stage will I have you at the prow of an arc flanked by a giraffe and a lion. The funny thing with Noah, man, is most people think they know what's in the Bible, but in reality, what most people know is what they read in the golden circle children's book of Noah.
You know, they've never read the very few mentions that there are in the Bible or the other religious writings which cover his story because there are other writings from pre-biblical that you know never made it into the Bible. You know the epic of Gilgamesh, it's a very similar story. Right. There seems to be some sort of a historical tale that is repeated through many cultures of a great flood. I don't think there is an ancient religion that doesn't have a flood story.
You know, and we can see it, we can see and date it and everything with how we can view our world now with the science that's come along. So there's no doubt that there was a flood, you know, or has been many floods probably. The real hardcore people think they've located Noah's Ark, they've located the remains of it on Mount Ararat. Yeah. Yeah, there's this bizarre feature in the rocks that they believe is where apparently it matches the Bible's description of the actual size of the Ark.
Yeah, it's all it is not because because if that's there, we should be then be able to have definitive proof that it seems like somebody should have gone there and figured that out yet. Yeah, it's probably been discredited. What you were familiar at all with the work of Randall Carlson, do you know who he is? A little bit more context. Randall Carlson is an expert in asteroid impacts.
And he kind of specializes in this theory about the younger dry's impact. The younger dry's impact is somewhere around, they think there's multiple times this happened somewhere around 11,000, 800 years ago. And again, somewhere in the 10,000's that this is what happened that caused the end of the ice age. This is what caused the great flooding across North America. That doesn't that that that date coincides with what would be the end of Gebekli Tepe, right? Yes, yes.
Coincides with that and it also there's a lot of physical evidence of it with core samples and this used to be kind of a fringe theory, but they started doing core samples and they found a high level of a rhythm, which is a very common space, very rare on earth during that same time period. But what's really interesting about this guy is he got this idea when he was overlooking this enormous canyon while he was on acid.
And it occurred to him that this is because of not just a river that ran through this for thousands and thousands of years. He felt like it was one immense event that took place. He just had this bizarre vision of this immense event that took place. And now they're talking about those cataclysmic events, not being something that is a build and through a period of time, right?
It's talking about it being immediate, right? Yeah, immediate. So it's like the ice agent. The date is happening. Exactly. Yeah, his his work is absolutely fascinating, very controversial, of course, because it goes kind of against the conventional idea of what happened with the ice age, but he thinks the ice age ended almost immediately that something slammed into the ice caps, which were at that point in time, between one and two miles high in a gigantic chunk of North America.
And that these asteroids slammed into it. And that's where these features that you see where it looks like. I don't know if you've ever seen some of the overhead features, but it literally looks like over massive amounts of space. Huge water had risen, you know how water when it goes over the sand, it leaves these kind of humps and ridges where the water had washed over.
Well, there's physical evidence of this all throughout like the Pacific Northwest, you can find these things and he thinks that's that's what ended the ice age killed off 65% of the megafauna North America and that it happened like that happened very quickly. Right. And that's the Noah's Ark story. I mean, it's that is it that is the story, which is why it's so fat. It's so interesting that people wanted to dismiss biblical stories.
They say, oh, well, it was an oral tradition for a thousand years, if it was ever written down, like right, right. But what was it based on? Right. What the fuck happened? Something happened. Every culture has a story of something like that happening.
Yeah. Very likely something. When I was doing the research building up to it, I was quite surprised because in my naivety, I actually had considered it was only like a Christian thing and I didn't realize it was touched on everywhere until I was doing that film. Yeah. So, do you have, was there any hesitancy in taking on a religious character like that with such significance to it? No, that was the exciting bit. Yeah.
It was a very busy year, it was 2012 in that year. I just played Superman's dad the year before and been on, I mean, I was the fittest I'd ever been. I worked with a guy called Mark Twight, you ever heard of him? No. There was this company for a while called Jim Jones and they were considered to be the hardest asses in the physical training business. I was very, very difficult to become a Jim Jones trainer and stuff and Mark was the guy that trained the trainers and he got assigned to me.
Oh my God. The things that he put me through, but it was all great and we remain strong friends now because we did some shit together. I like that kind of mateship, you know what I mean? Yeah. You've been in the trenches or whatever. And so the following year I was, I played the mayor of New York in a thing called Broken City with Mark Wahlberg, which is, it's funny, that's one of those performances that people just haven't seen, but I quite rate that performance.
And then I did lay miz with, you know, all that beautiful cast and so I spent three or four months on that and then straight into Noah. So I was exhausted before I started. You know, I had three really big jobs in a row and then to drop into that, which was, it was a lot of physical stuff on that movie and Darren shoots a lot. So those big wide shots, you're still doing the same action as you're doing when you're close in, so you're sort of working, you know, pretty hard.
But I think if anything, you know, I was really excited by the fact of like, of being able to delve into that. I would have preferred what I'm getting at is a little more time. Because it's the quiet contemplation that really fills you up for the thing that you're about to do. And when you're coming straight off one film set pretty much onto another, I think I had a gap of about two or three weeks. It's not quite enough.
What would you, like, what would you do if you're, if you had all the time that you wanted? I'm going to talk to people, you know, going to talk to people who've got a perspective. I would have probably wanted to spend a little bit more time with some Jewish scholars, because there's a lot of, you know, writings adjunct to the Torah about Noah.
I get to the bottom of that, but I really didn't have the time. So I just had to sort of play out into it with what I had, which is, you know, beautiful to volume, old testament and New Testament that Darren got me. So that was the beginning of the research. But, you know, there's not really much else you can do, because you can't go and look up, you know, old photos around.
So you're pretty much stepping into that world. So I'm trying to understand Darren's perspective on what he was trying to show that, you know, there had been a big civilization already. So there's a civilization prior to Noah. So you're already talking about, you know, a post-apocalyptic world that they're living in and another apocalypse is coming.
And it's all based on, you know, human behavior and what have you. There's a sequence in the film that some people miss where, like Noah is looking into these people who are all, you know, sort of the ones who've allowed themselves to give into their base desires or what have you. And within the group of people, he sees a man who looks like a rat, you know, gnawing away a body of something, possibly another human. And it's him.
So he sees himself on the other side of that. So Darren had a lot of cool things going in the movie, a lot of great ideas. And, you know, outside of America was a huge hit with massive hit in places like Russia or Brazil or whatever. But I don't think it's really considered to be a hit because it didn't hit the box office in the United States. But I don't know, it's three or four hundred million or something.
And it's bizarre that there's controversy attached to it being that it is about the climate. It's bizarre that that's become a weird political point and that it's so ideologically connected that people either oppose it or go with it with no information other than the fact that my team believes this. Yeah, that's a bit odd.
But it's not just the environment, the very thing we live in that that that's a political angle is so strange. It is so strange because it's you know there's a whole lot of different things that I think necessarily on the money, but the bottom line that the burning of fossil fuels is having an effect on our air quality and you know how we receive sunshine, et cetera, that's a refutable fact.
You can't sort of make up your own opinion on that because there's just too much stuff to prove that that's going on and it has been going on in our entire lives and it's just been getting worse. The same things were being talked about in the early 70s, what it is in primary school, that are now actually physically happening.
But it's you know some people just want to see it as you know yet another game or whatever and it's really much more important. It's strange because it also the problem with having this ideology attached to it is it stops the real research to actually be able to objectively understand what has the most effect.
What is what is the thing that's driving us the most and what is the thing that we can do to mitigate that. Yeah, so I think things like you know the cows farting I think that's misinformation that just gets thrown out there to sort of spread the blame or whatever because you know we are told over and over again that there were so many more animals on this planet at a certain point.
Okay, so if we've killed off you know 80% or whatever the animals that existed what about their thoughts. Yeah, that was a don as well thought compared to a cow fart you know.
Well, the thing is what we're doing is very unnatural right so we're serving them grain and we're keeping them in pens and then they're all the pig shit and all that stuff gets into the water. It's very different than a regenerative farm an actual real farm where cows are grazing and then their manure fertilizes the land and actually sequesters carbon. A real regenerative farm is carbon neutral yeah, that's not the issue I run 220 angus on my place in the bush and you know over time.
I sort of learned that all of those factory farming processes are just the absolute wrong thing to do you know I mean when I first had land and cattle. I used to love getting up in the dawn in the darkness.
Cowdy had on stock whip and getting out and you know hurting them and all that sort of stuff and then over time started to realize that that's not good for them you know that sort of stuff is not good for them so we develop this system of my place where we have a single lane way and all of the other paddocks.
Go on the cattle will be go on to that lane way so in the pad it can be you know 100 acres or whatever you know but you can muster one man soft voice handful of grain just open the gate you call out a couple of times they come towards you you can get every cow in that lane way then you get up behind them walk behind them and you walk them straight to the yards now we've taken all the fun out of it but it's just a lot more it's you know safer easier sensible.
And we don't use you know host pipes we don't use stock whips anymore we don't muster on. ATVs you know it's either on foot or horseback and we still use working dogs but the cows don't get upset by the working dogs they don't get freaked out by the same way as they get freaked out by an engine roaring up behind them you know so and the reason for that kind of pastoral care.
It's because at the end of the day 100% true the steak tastes better if you don't adrenalize the cattle don't abuse them you know it's just better you know it's like more tasteful it doesn't have you know really a really a generalized meat gets a very game equality you know and you know the steak that we serve on the farm because you know I only do all this I didn't operate it as a business I started to operate it as a business for a while there but kind of found out that everybody in the
butchery game similar to working with people that sell used cars and they're only looking for the story they're not really don't really care about the animal and you know I do I was like you know I was you know laugh that for many years in the valley that I live in because of the way I care for the cattle but I can't do it any
other way it's got to be it's got to be further you know they've got to have a great life it makes sense makes it's smarter it's less karma it's a better situation for them yeah and they just feel healthier so I went fully organic at one point right took us like five or seven years to get the
certification but then I would walk amongst the cattle and because we couldn't you know douse them because they were organic cattle now you know things like you know buffalo fly and other little things were just all over them and I thought that's that can't be good either you know it's like having a kid you know and never giving the kid panadol if it gets a fever
yeah by the time that kids 14 it hasn't you know it hasn't overcome it's not the biggest best stronger is there's the weed a little bloke in the corner you know who spent most of his life sick because he never got the medicine to make it easier for his body to recover you know and that kind was happening the cows they lost a lot of weight
and they just looked in distress so I keep my pastures organic but I do topical treatments for the cattle so they don't have to deal with ticks and buffalo fly and things like that this episode is brought to you by blinds.com do you know the right window treatments aren't just about privacy they could actually save you some serious cash in your energy bills too
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body things that can affect them negatively so you know I now I have that that balance I can't you know sell the meters organic meat but the hand raised organic pasture and as I say they don't get it journalist through their life so when we do call them the meat is a profound experience.
do you sell it online how someone get it no no I don't sell it you don't sell it well occasionally there's one butcher near me that I trust he's really into what he does and he will ask if he can have a couple of
some of them have it we do sell to some neighbors that we know you know needing a little bit of assistance I don't want to sort of put it in any other terms but you know we sell it to them but we sell it to them for less than it costs to produce so and way less than they would be spending if they
go into the supermarket you know but basically I have the cows to feed my family so my kids are very snobby about steak because they've grown up with you know the best you know the best you can well anyway the the most humane way to produce it yeah for sure how did you get started doing this like what was it seems like a very busy person to be starting a regenerative farm well
it comes from when I was getting a little bit of success I could see things coming along and I sort of had a choice I only had enough money to either buy a small apartment in the city or some land and my mum and dad went in a great place and I hadn't really spent a lot of time with them in the previous decade because I'd been out trying to establish who I was you know and I didn't really go home very much
and so what I did is I decided instead of buying a apartment in the city I'd buy a hundred acres in the bush and my mum and dad could go and live there and basically they could start fresh and have a sort of a new experience but I bought a hundred acres initially but I think I've got like 17 hundred acres or something now but once I had the land then I started feeling like well you got to do something with it
you know it can't just be a hundred acres of garden you know right and there's also that thing too of like you know you're walking into farmland you want to see a horse you want to see a cow you know you want to have something so over time I started I experimented by holding some cattle for a friend you know and I got used to what you had to do and stuff like that
I know they were big long horn beasts and they were quite difficult to deal with so that made me decide to go with Angus but you know here's another story you know I had 20 little calves down in the yards they're being picked up the next day and at this stage I was living in a caravan because I hadn't started building or anything on the property and so I go to bed and at about two o'clock in the morning I'm working up because the raining
and I'm trying to get back to sleep but all I can think of is these 20 little calves down in the yards and how the floor of the yards will turn into muck and these guys have been picked up the next day and they will spend the whole night slipping over and sort of get covering each other with shit and they'll be in great distress and blow light so about 230 went down to the yards trying to figure out
how to get them out of the rain I had a shed down there but it was about 30 meters away from the edge of the yards and you know I looked around and I had enough bits and pieces to make a fence for one side so I could make one side of this alley so that's just me on the other side so I got these big long pieces of wood and then what I had to do was I had to get them running towards me then I had to redirect them along that fence line
so they would go inside the shed now while this is happening it's pissing down right absolutely like tropical right you know and it took me about I don't know 40 minutes something like that so it's deep in the middle of the night now to fix the fence and then I got them running and they come into wards me like it's C1 was about to jink away so I had to sort of dance along with my wood but it was amazing you know I stopped that one little bloke and he rejoined
the rest of them and then they just went like clockwork just so smooth straight into the shed right so then in the shed I don't light out some hay and stuff and I left a little light on you tell stories like that farmers and I think you're an absolute idiot what are you doing mate
you had to learn how to do it some way but I think that's it's just for me the next day when the truck came to pick them up they were all happy and healthy and you know not covered in brown shit you know so yeah but so I'm not really a farmer so but I got land
I mean that sounds like at least a practicing farmer I mean you actually did it yeah well we still do and we still you know turn the meter but you know when I looked into it in terms of a business you have to really have about 25,000 ahead to make it a business you know that covers you for you know when that sometimes the price of me goes down or whatever or the costs around calling go up and I just didn't want to do it that way
didn't want to have to be responsible in my heart for 25,000 living creatures when I couldn't be absolutely certain they were all being treated well right so and I think that's one of the big mistakes that we've made going into this thing of you know of farms getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger because at the end of the day the thing that drops off is the duty of care
right and it's also the humanity of it all just get so distorted when you have these factory factory farming operations that you you're not even allowed we have ag gag laws in America you're not even allowed to film there because conditions are sometimes yeah so horrific that it
down you know we give grain to our cattle because there is you know a nice texture and stuff that comes to the meat beyond being grass fed but we never put them into a feeding pen situation and I think that that's also part of the best part of the balance because you know they're still walking around on their home range
you know this is where they used to being and then here's a pile of grain over here so they supplement their grass with the grain as opposed to just being fed grain purely to put on size so we what we turn off then and I think it's partly to do with the fact that they stay active and we we get a natural seven to 10% fat ratio you know which is the bottom end of the scale you know but therefore to me you're getting more protein and therefore what we're giving you when we give you a
stake is like an absolute protein pill it's a it you know it's better for you to physically I think so it is it's been proven that the nutritional balance of grass fed animals is just much better right they're just they're not supposed to live entirely on grain
just like humans are not so I think again that balance thing of like their life on on grass and then just before you call them you give them a little bit of grain it finishes them off you know I guess some sort of you know ready to be consumed but you still have the same benefits of the grass fed because you never stop that right and you've and but you have the thing of them being fit because you've never made them like stand still in a pen
right it's got to be a cool feeling to to consume only the animals at your place that you've actually raised like you know every step of the way we used to when we occasionally will have a fresh guest that's never been there before and we'll do things like you're gonna love buttercup she was such a striker since you know we just you know put somebody off their meal just as
there a bad to eat yeah but I did use to name them but I stopped naming them because that was an extra level of pain yeah and plus you know when you got 20 back and all of a night when you're 220 it's a bit difficult well it's yeah you don't want to be name and something you're going to eat it's just too weird it's weird enough for people are so disconnected from where their food comes from already just the concept of killing it
and the health seems a for it but the concept of living without meat seems terrible to just we're completely disconnected from the act of how it gets to you yeah we just go and see it wrapped up nicely at the butcher shop and we pick it up but all 16 ounces thank you buy and that's your entire involvement in the death of a living creature yeah I definitely think people need to you know have an awareness of it you know yeah because you know we're sharing the planet
you know and they're helping us survive so the very least a little due respect is in order yeah and that's what we don't get from factory farming we get the opposite we get the worst elements of human nature that kind of put into this very bizarre food supply system that we have where you know at every corner in almost every city there's a place where you can get a quick piece of meat you know quick cook piece of meat of unknown origin who knows how they raised it who knows where they got it
and we just trust in the fact that it's still consumable and it's just bizarre you get a cheeseburger for a dollar and thirty nine you know like how much work was involved in this yeah absolutely yeah and that you know that's what I mean is like I know the dollar it cost me to produce the steak at that level and it's just no way on the normal chain of how the business works that it's acceptable to have spent that much to produce it
right you know do you cook yourself oh yeah yeah my mom was a caterer all right so I love cooking absolutely how do you prepare steak with farm steak I use black pepper and I use louries garlic salt there's lots of garlic salt around but that one's good
and it used to be available when I was a kid and they stopped selling it in Australia for years so we'd have to you know friend was coming over it's I grab some car like salt but you can buy it again there now but yeah that's that's really simple just salt and pepper you know I don't do anything what kind of growth stream I'm from flame and I make it as hot as possible and I've actually put oil on to the flame to make it go crazy for a while because I like to have color on the steak I like this
is someone teaching this method is just something that you devised over time over time yeah I did for a while there I was a short order cook and I cooked steaks that's what I did every Monday night this is like when I was working in clubs and my name was in the paper every week
and my photo offers in the paper and stuff but my mother said you still have to make a contribution to the family so if you're in town on a Monday night you have to cook in the restaurant so I do like cook 150 steaks on a Monday night if I was in town
and you know just over time I cook it to my my own taste obviously you know so he's charcoal hardwood what do you use I use gas most of the time I need to oil over the gas yeah yeah we got oil olive oil because I want I just want that absolute heat so it's see as the steak you know
particularly when you first put it on the grill so it hits the grill and it's actually surrounded in flame you know that's your method yeah well that's you know that that only lasts a few seconds but that's going to give you the color that you want
because when I put it down on the grill I want the color on that side because generally I'm only going to turn it once so I want yeah I want that first hit to steer the outside of steak and that's the side that gets presented to the person that's going to eat are you cooking a thin steak a thick steak height doesn't matter but normally we only cook you know sort of restaurant cuts so our I feel it I think is your tenderloin our porters house is your New York cut well port we have porters
too it's like one yeah one side of the porters house is the tenderloin one side of the port or the with the filet and the other side is that's a Scotch fillet okay interesting funny we have a different name so the same bits of meat but yes on New York strip is a porters house right come from really a porters house on this side of the pond always has bone in it pretty much yeah you guys don't know that's a tea
but what's your ribeye our what you call ribeye I believe is tenderloin right no so that's that's our I fill it's a rib steak okay yeah the tenderloin it's like filet mignon and then there's beef tenderloin it's like this stuff along the back and underneath and then the rib meat like right where the rib hits that portion of the very fatty rib steak that's the ribeye and you know or a tomahawk you get it with the rib bone on it's a tomahawk
right yeah or our sort of tea bone is half New York steak and half I fill it okay yeah yeah we have that too yeah so yeah I'm not 100% sure of the top of all the different names for the meat in America but yeah they tend to be quite thick cuts you know I don't really we don't really do any of our steak in a thin cut the first time I ever ate a steak in Australia I was this was like a long time ago but for
for really understood the difference between grass fed meat and grain fed meat I was like this is different it's taste weird tasted weird it's like like richer like it you know at the time I don't even think I liked it at the time I was expecting like an American style steak and I got it this rich red grass fed steak it's like wow the weird steak doesn't take like tastes like American meat but when was the first time I went to a shred
it was for a UFC it was quite a few years ago at least a decade ago yeah what do you think of this one championship thing it's great yeah yeah look I like all of these organizations I'm happy that there's more options for fighters or one championship is huge I started watching a doc about that guy the other day didn't finish it though char tree I like the idea that he's creating heroes that it's a line he said
that's pretty cool I got a project that we're going to do at the end of this year it's called the beast in me and it's about that sort of mixed martial arts fighting really and he's come forward as a potential sort of partner and what have you and he would hooking up with him will give the film great production values because we'll be able to shoot at one of his fights and stuff so you'll have a you know a crowd of 15,000
or whatever you know you haven't paid for right right which is good for a film and I did a rewrite on the on the scoop last year and it's really full of heart now you know so many times when people approach fighters particularly in that sort of you know mixed martial arts whatever
that everybody's insane you know and that's just not really the truth you know I mean there's some yeah this certainly are insane people but in their hearts you know they have their own you know reasons for doing things and their their own morality and so they would never think of themselves and in saying because they're on a journey they're on a pursuit you know and that's why I think this script now has a real beating heart so I think it's going to be a good project Daniel McPherson
Young Australian actor he's going to be the lead in that well there's this is a good time for a real good MMA film you know there's been some real good boxing films the one that you did yeah it's one of my favorite experiences actually say the relevant yeah and the story of Braddock that's an amazing story great story incredible story yeah we had met like funny resistance here with the release that the people couldn't get their heads around the fact that the movie called Cinderella
Man was about a boxer fucking America it was like really it's funny it's that hard to get yeah classic Cinderella story is a thing that is always used to be a chick right but it's used for men in sports all the time well it that's it was it was some famous American writer Damon Run you know whatever who coined the phrase you know he wrote that you know the story of James James James Jay Braddock is a Cinderella story yeah that's where he got the the nickname you know but I just you
know sometimes you're playing characters that you don't really write as a person or whatever or you know sometimes you're playing very negative characters you know earlier this year I did a new in book where I played home and going so that's going to be coming out soon looking
forward to people seeing that but Braddock was such an experienced man because everything that I read about him the stories I heard about him I just liked him more and more you know which can be a bit of a dangerous thing as an actor I try not to fall in love with the character I you know what I say as I'm in love with the job you know so my job is to show you who that person is whether it's negative you know because it's kind of weird you know you can't fall in love with Hitler you know I mean
if you're playing that role you know I mean yeah it's sort of like so that's how I sort of keep the objectivity but you know I met Braddock's family and stuff like that and they kept telling me stories that just made him made me like him more and more you know so it was yeah it was an honor to be able to play that role really and bring him back to a consciousness because people have forgotten about him yeah what was the physical training like
I was Angela man I was Angela coming in okay kid Angela done D it's one role one role around here now that is you listen to me that's how we do it right I talk and you listen and then I'm going to teach you to open anybody up like a can of tomatoes that's what we're going to do kid open them up like a can of lettuce let's go wow it was a great guy man I mean what an incredible privilege to be given that
beautiful man yeah my life you know with all his experience and his stories and you know and his attitude to things man he was he was like you know I mean occasionally if you asked about somebody that had a negative experience with you know he would sort of like see who's around or whatever and he would just tell you the pure truth but for the most part anybody you asked him about he was like ah what a great guy you know and I asked him about it one day and he was
like last too short for the negatives man it's too short to have grudges or you know opinions you know negative stuff like just let all that go you know so but you know then in reality he would have opinion but for his the public part of that was to just like be positive you know
and he'd work with so many fighters and so many different pursuits and under different pressures and what have you Ali and Sugar Ray blah blah you know 15 world champions he coached you know wow that's incredible and the beautiful thing happens you can see it in Cinderella man there's a moment towards the end of the movie right where Bradx one is one the world championship and I'm standing in the ring and I'm walking towards my corner
right and this little bald man walks towards me right and this this shot I start laughing and I bend forward and I kiss him on his head right because he's walking towards me in the ring and he was going number 16 baby number 60
and that's what he called me for the rest of his life whenever I saw him he would introduce me to people as this is my friend Russell number 16 wow cool man right but you know I mean a normal day training for that you know you wake up in the morning you go for walk you know probably about five
days right then we'd go and do yoga then we'd go and do the first boxing session which would take us to lunch you have a little bit of lunch then we do the second boxing session after the second boxing session
we'd do weights then you'd have about 90 minutes off then we'd have dinner and then you go for walk and the next day was told all over again you know it was full on whose idea was the yoga is real yeah yeah that was the thing about Angelo you know all the old stuff but he was aware of all the
new stuff as well you know but that's the oldest stuff you know just sitting you know well I mean but for boxing we did yoga but you know he only thought of stretching you know it was it was you know it was like he set the schedule and pace on everything for that film wow I didn't
had him in my working life for six months man that's incredible it's just gold did you think about having a fight oh we had a few real ones like in the gym there's real ones in the movie man really yeah you get to a certain point five and a half thousand six thousand choreographed moves right you get to a certain point how do you accelerate this how do you change the rhythm you know so the fight with Troy which I think is the
the last fight before the championship that's 100% the two of us in the ring beating the piss out of each other really yeah Jamie see if we can find that and he's really good what would be the scene we've seen
we'll be right towards the end of the film and it's just sort of like little sharp cuts no that's Mark some of those scenes no not that one that's the that's the end fight so just prior to this there's you go through a series of fights currently forgetting the man's name his first name is Troy I can't remember his son he went on to become a light heavyweight champion of Canada and a couple of these guys are Olympians and stuff that were in the fight but the hardest hit I've ever received is in
that fight with Troy because he was a Southport and we both went in the same direction we clashed heads ah me and then we just kept keep going with the scene right but I'm like literally seeing stars who like it was like somebody had like put a piece of metal through my temple you know we just you know we both moved to get out of the way and we just smacked heads yeah this fight that's all real there's no choreography wow and he was good man he was fast and he was like on me all the time
do you were fit as fuck back then little bit you know I was 40 I was 40 at the time so I weighed the same in the opening sequence of Cinderella man I weighed the same as when I left touch cool wow it was a great movie man you did it justice well that's the thing when you're
playing somebody that's real you know you've got to respect the man you've got to you know you got to put that effort in to you know to honor them yes you know yeah especially someone as legendary as Braddock yeah and the thing is you know you have to dial into his body you know his
body language you know he used to do this little foot flick thing right to get himself around you know where he always like he would move his front foot first he wouldn't cross his feet over at all you know so he's just sort of crabbing up on somebody and then going back you know learning
that getting that drilled into my head because it felt so unnatural you know but it's it's there and you know after a while you get it you can move quite fast here you know but that natural instinct is to sort of cross your feet over but that leads to all sorts of problems yeah yeah it
was it was a very interesting experience during that movie and Ron Howard as the director you know I'd work with him the year before on a beautiful line and he's a very exacting guy and he likes to do things over and over again you know so when we finally first started that shoot I don't
I don't know if you know despite I subluxated my left shoulder I was doing a little fight with a guy called Wayne Gordon another Canadian Olympian and he just caught me on the point of my elbow and just pulled my shoulder out you know but because I was so fit at the time and so strong it went out
and back in but it came back in with such force that it broke the bone oh so I had to go and have an operation um I tore the labyrinth tissue and broke the bone so I had an op and the normal recovery is like three and a half months or something right but I was making a movie I couldn't
do that so I you know and they were got a cancel of film they're gonna just shut it down and all that and I was like no no no no I've waited for years to do this film and I'm already done the training so we've got to finish this just give me you know X amount of weeks and you're allergic
to cortisol yeah which was you know we're really problematic on that situation you know but 20 days on the 24th day for 21st day of rehab I stepped in the ring and did 10-3 minute rounds on the 21st day after the operation so but that has led to ongoing problems which the doctor
did say at the time if you try cut this short you're the arthritis you're gonna experience when you get older it's gonna be mind numbing and he's absolutely right um have you ever gotten stem cells into it no I've been starting to talk I've got a friend in uh England who's actually from
the town for after this uh I leave tomorrow morning with time tomorrow morning uh about 10 or 11 I might be able to get you treated before then really there's a stem cell clinic I work with in town ways to well incredible this is the thing I think it's the family of the guy I'm talking about
really yeah yeah he's I'm met him here I don't know if you know this man but way back in the day Austin was my place really yeah yeah we we came here in 2000 2001 August 14 or 15 is 30 of for a grunt stay as uh governor Rick Perry at the time he declared that because we brought so many
tourist dollars into town you know in the middle of August you know bringing no 2000 plus people who have flown in got a motel and they're gonna go to a rock and roll show over at Stubs you know um yeah that was the thing and it's funny because when we haven't sold out this time we're here we we
play uh tonight but we haven't uh where are you at tonight Stubs I love Stubs yeah it's we did shows there Dave Sheppell and I during the pandemic okay yeah when everything was shut down we we tested the entire crowd and did outside shows it was awesome oh cool yeah I went in first just to have
some barbecue with an Adam a conversation with um Rodriguez the director you know who who lived here and then you know a year and a bit later I'm walking on that stage was unbelievable we were I was here to record at William Elson's place and we said why don't we do on Fridays we'll just do
little shows in town right cool so we booked a place Star Wars because a friend of a friend you Charles a tile and the boys that set Stubs up and you know um and while you know I was in England working on another thing before coming here they just said hey uh these tickets are going crazy so
can we go outside so we came here I think we were here recording for a month and every Friday night we'd go and do a full house outside at at Stubs wow it's cool and then we came back the year after in 2001 and raised some money for like an abused girls shelter you know but I haven't been here since
2001 man wow lots changed it's exploded it's exploded there's 250,000 people back there yeah you know it's nearly a million now it's a million in the city and another million in the surrounding areas yeah but coming in from the airport yeah I was like I can't even I don't know where I am
you know yeah the view point on landmarks and everything is just completely changed and you know before arriving just yesterday you know I had an absolute picture in my mind of what I was about to experience right because I came here so often in a two or three year period that you know I would tell you that I know the city like the back of my hands you know I mean I'm driving in from the airport I was like it's just gone right it's not the place that I that I know well it's changed a
lot in the four years that I've been here right it's exploded yeah look at all the cranes downtown it's crazy it's still going yeah it's bizarre I think that's a mistake I think they're kind of fucked I think they're kind of overestimated because the real estate market is cooled down considerably yeah because whoever was going to move here moved here right you know and then it's like everyone was expecting that the boom would keep going right but it hasn't keep going it hasn't kept going at all
it's it's gotten to a million millions good size for a city it's about perfect yeah you can get everything you you need and you get it at the speed that you wanted at in this competition in in in all areas so you know um but you can still get around as long as your transport system is
good you can still get around yeah yeah the traffic here is so easy people complain about I'm like you guys are adorable this traffic is cute this is cute traffic living 25 plus years in LA I know what real traffic is like and even LA I moved there in 94 it was nothing like it is now
now it's just now it could be two o'clock in the morning and you're bumpered about for traffic for an hour and a half it's bananas I mean look at New York man I mean I'm I'm shooting shooting beautiful mind once we had a late night two thirty three o'clock in the
morning I'm in a tunnel coming back from Jersey and we just stopped mobbed we're there for an hour yeah in the tunnel yeah what what's going on that freaks me out by the way something about that fucking river being right above your head yeah like I know they know how to fix it I know they
knew how to build it it's been there forever I know but there's gonna be that day right it's gonna be one day it's gonna end up movies to know I see enough movies it's gonna spring a fucking leak and and we're all done in the worst way possible fuck I don't like it get me out of here the moment
I'm in the tunnel I'm holding my breath like you know me the fuck out of here okay who were on the other side I don't like it I'd rather be in a helicopter being that fucking tunnel well it's funny that you should bring that up because on that shoot after that night I said if I'm with
we're going over there all the time right I'm living right next to the Liberty Hella pad on in Chelsea right just 10-minute trip yeah give me out of the freaking car yeah because that movie was so it was a lot to carry around the freaking mindset I had to be all the time for that and so
they ended up agreeing so I would like literally walk to the helicopter pad jump in helicopter shhh 10 minutes that's pretty nice in New Jersey and that's pretty nice yeah it was pretty cool that was a fantastic movie it really was beautiful mine was one of my favorite movies
just just the mind of a person like that like playing a guy that's so troubled and brilliant I mean how difficult is that to train for like how do you how do you get yourself into that mindset the relief when that movie was over was huge you know because you do tie yourself in knots a
little bit when you're playing a character like that you know and it's part of the job and you just go with that flow you know but yeah I was very very happy to put all of the detail of those diseases aside because you know the guy that wrote at his mum and dad you know treat people with
schizophrenia so he had a lot of firsthand knowledge that he could pass on to me you know and a lot of that was to do with physical tells and when the physical tells happen in the course of somebody's connection to the disease you know the thing about beautiful mind is it has a device
in the film the film begins you believe everything that's unfolding in front of you and then does that click when you realize hold on a second if I've been watching him or am I inside his head you know and then that's the thing that like worldwide that trick works you know for telling you
because I you know I saw that movie a few premieres around the world and there's this gasp that comes out of the audience and it's you know only 15 20 minutes in when they go and they realize that they've been inside the head of a sick man right as opposed to watching some you
know spy drama unfold right right right that was that was I read that script here really yeah I was doing the shows 2000 stubs I'd rented a beautiful house over there on the other side of the river I don't know why I'm pointing that way I don't even know where it was from here but yeah and I
Jeffrey Katzenberg busted my nuts about reading it I was like man I'm doing the band shows I've got you know I'm recording with the band I just want to be in this space because I need you to read it now you know and he'd been part of the gladiator so you know I read it and I ended up
bringing him and thanking it because the experience of reading the script was fantastic one of the best scripts I'd ever read and I had that device on the page so that wasn't a trick at it by the filmmakers later you know you're the same experience of reading it is the what the experience you have
when you're watching in the cinema yeah man so it was about I know two o'clock in the morning sitting on the back porch of that house it was still over a hundred degrees it was really hot and I read it in one go I thought to myself when I sat down to read it I saw read 10 pages it'll
put me to sleep right and it didn't kept me awake and I remember putting that script down and walking and jumping into the swimming pool you know at three or four in the morning or whatever go I'm absolutely doing that fucking movie wow 100% wow so that's exactly what you're talking about
the kind of film that just gets in your skin I you know I've said it you know lots of times but it's a physical response it's like goosebumps it's like I'm reading it and that's just a thing happens and I'm not even thinking about it I just pick up a pen and I start writing down what
I'm gonna change in that bit you know I just start working on it immediately and if I work on it when I read it that's the one I'm gonna do and I've you know I've stuck true to that even you know as I was saying before you know sometimes it can be a really imperfect document but there's just
a couple of things that resonate you know so it's like okay you have to do it you know my joke is that that in that way I respect the gods of film you know it's like I'm only there yeah my reasons and I need to be there you know and so you know in that way now it doesn't always work out
but you can do the greatest pedigree movie and it tanks you know you can have you know a list and number one a list of number two a list director great subject matter nobody goes and see it see there's a sort sort of a type of alchemy you know and you know I came out of an independent film
world and then suddenly a couple of those independent films got successful and it led me to another place you know but I still like to work in an independent world because you know if one hits that's the one that's gonna be fun and important or whatever if it comes out nowhere yeah so yeah I don't
you know studio films it's great you know if it's the right situation you know I'm not sort of saying that there's a negative in doing that if you know what I've done I've done you know all sorts of big studio budget films you know I've you know I'm Superman's dad and DC I'm Zeus the
God of Gods in Disney Marvel and I'm Craven the Hunters Russian father in Sony Marvel so it's like you know you know it's it's the you know the experience of doing those films is the same for me as other things I go to work I have a particular character thing in mind this is what I'm trying to
do you know the thing about my job man is in reality most film directors who work with a genius the genius people you know male film or whatever the person that that has worked to the point of getting to helm a feature film where you have to cover all of the aspects you know from the
production design to the sound to how you're shooting at what lenses you're using you know the people that you're working with where you shoot it you know all of those responsibilities come on the film director you know so the joke off and make about me working with with Ridley it's like
I get to hold the paint palette for Titian what Titian's doing is shit and he turns to me he goes Russell I need more blue I go right you are I'll give you some blue it's a good gig you know being able to work with super smart people you know that's incredible super creative people I'd love the thought of like appeasing the film gods that that attitude is the right attitude it's you know I know I say it as a sort of a witter sysm is a joke but it's actually what I fundamentally believe
yes yeah I think I think it's real I think there's something to it but if you approach everything like that yes everything yes yeah yeah I mean I don't know if they're gods or I don't know what it is but there's something there something real something yeah and I've been talking to whatever that is
all the way through my life yeah all the way through I actually say this on stage at the moment because I have a song called Michelangelo's God which relates to an experience I had recently with my mom you know I decided that when I heard that they were making another gladiator that I was
I'm gonna take my sons to Rome so they get to experience what I've experienced since that movie came out with the people of Italy and and and the people in the city of Rome in in terms of the privileges that they give me and the experiences that they give me and the regard and what have you
and I thought you know before there's another one and that water's muddied you know I'm gonna take my kids over so they can really experience it so I was talking to my mom and my father had just recently passed away and I said why don't you come with us and initially she said that
because she'd only ever been to Rome with my dad that she didn't want to come because she thought it would just make her sad you know because that city connected you know her to him and I said to her mom listen to what you're saying this is a place that connects you to my father you have to come
you know so she came along and we would you know doing all the normal family stuff together to receive stuff Spanish steps for the three of you I took the kids to see the old office the colosseum you know the old office just normal family stuff and then I got this call from a guy at the
Vatican and this is all based on you know that movie right I heard you're in town with your family would you like to come and walk through the Vatican Museum and the Sistine Chapel by yourselves without any tourists wow now I've done the tourist thing you know thousand new special friends
and you in the Sistine Chapel yeah natural light I've done that so the idea that we could walk in there by a side absolutely absolutely so and I've taken my mom and because it was such a big walk which is in a wheelchair right so I'm pushing her around but every corner we get to something of
immense beauty I can see her remembering when she was there with my dad and what he he said or a friendship he made or whatever you know he was a bit of a it was a chatty fellow my old man you know he used to make friends very easily you know so you know we went through that and I could see
it affecting her and then I took a Sistine Chapel it's unbelievable man you know I'll do it exactly the way I do it on stage for you man because it's a funny moment you know this guy comes up because for us for you today I will turn on the lights of the pope I said sorry well the pope
he likes to come to the chapel to meditate he likes to see all the beautiful colors so we put in some lights and he turns on his lights I mean that ceiling is amazing in natural light when it's got like 16 spotlights on it man and you can see the real color of the light blue of the sky and the
reds and you know you can almost with that much light on it feel like you can see the paint strokes you see it there under Michelangelo's genius in the light and I said to the guy that was amazing you know why did you do that and he goes that I asked so please my Semo you are the eighth king of
her own but so later in that same visit he took us to this little balcony and to get onto this balcony not the one on TV it's another meditation balcony right on top of the museum to get there we have to go in this very small little elevator you know so I'm there just me and my mom say how
you go enjoying it and she just sets floods of tears man crying crying you know she goes I can't explain I just feel your father so close to me we get up on that balcony right in the distance I can hear some music so I asked that man what's the music and he says well it's a Wednesday this
was God's band is rehearsing they only play ecclesiastical music but I can hear what they're playing and so come on mom and it's that old Irish folk song Danny Boy the reason that that comes into the conversation we're just having is we played that at my father's funeral so here it is right
this moment how does that time in work out where's the coincidence factor of that what's the what's the odds of that you know they never play anything other than ecclesiastical music but on the day that we're in a place or we can hear a private rehearsal of the Swiss guards band they just
happen to be playing the song to play at my father's funeral when I've gone through this whole process of convincing my mom to come with us and she says she can feel my dad all day you know she was saying that and shedding tears from and there we had that moment together wow so I I don't know how it
works I don't know really you know what I what I do feel is that all religions are simply a human way of trying to explain the inexplicable there is definitely because I have examples of it in my life if you offer and we can call it prayer or you could call it just an introspective
conversation you know if you focus on using your imagination and your and your personal energy to change things around you they will change you know you can do a lot of things with simply the power of your beautiful mind yeah so that's kind of that's where I sit with it I don't know
what it is but I know it's available so I use it that is as close to a miracle it's it's a thing that happens occasionally in a person's life and that moment will touch them forever that you almost go too many things lined up too many things lined up so perfectly how's this even how's it possible
did you talk to the band I would want to talk to them to the Swiss gods band did you guys play this before I did actually did you know they want to meet a go and see their armory again another experience that you would never have right so I get taken down and he's the history of the Swiss
gods you know and and their connection to the Pope and here's all of the armor that's been worn by the gods over the centuries here's all the weapons and the swords and all that sort of stuff and I did ask them about the Danny Boy and the first guy I talked to was like no they wouldn't have
played that if if miss heard it because they only play Cliziasco music you know but apparently they were building up to some performance for some visiting dignitarian that was the the choice of sign for that thing it's just too many things man the guy called me at that time you
know we make the thing on that date I've convinced my mom to come you know there's just lights all of that all the lights of the Pope but there's there's something undeniable about just being in the Vatican itself there's like St. Peter's Basilica to this day it's one of the most incredible
experiences I've ever had just walking through that place and just trying to imagine the worksmanship the artisan the artistic ability to duplicate the kind of incredibly intricate designs that are in that ceiling and how uniform they are and how gorgeous they are and how many hundreds of years
it took to accomplish how many people were involved the first time that I walked in there which was 1991 and I probably sounds a bit weird but I got sort of a like offended or something it was so over the top right and so incredible and I thought about it from the perspective of this is a group
of men trying to build a mountain to show you their as powerful as God or something like that you know mean so I was probably a little more idealistic or whatever at that age but I remember being like it was so overwhelming it shocked me you know like a whole and I got and I got kind of pissy
about it I was like man that would trick a lot of people trick a lot of people if they walked in there and I saw all that beauty that go all these guys must have a direct connection yeah to whatever's going on least the guys I should hang with you know but they probably do
which is how they made it this but this that is the trick of being a person who walks into there and who's you know a devout religious person you're you experience something that seems like a representation of the divine right because that's what the art looks like it's it's so incredible
well you know that there's that I forget the name of it but there's a statue there it's carved from marble and it's like of Mary holding the body of Christ yeah we were just talking about that the other day right yeah it's got that that's incredible that fail yes that's carved yeah it's just insane
unbelievable again that thing of like the incredible privileges and experiences that the Italian people give me you know that's behind glass and you know your 20 foot from it you know I walk into the chapel's guy taps me on the shoulders just come here and I could stand next to it
he took me inside the room where it's in wow and it's just when you say I mean how old is this what year was this 1498 1499 unbelievable and just the level of detail of the anatomy like look at the ankle go back to that larger photo
again Jamie look at that ankle I mean look at all the detail and the toes and everything I mean it's just unbelievable how do you go about how do you know I have this sort of thing with a lot of art you know how do you go about looking at a rock grabbing a chisel and a hammer and getting to that
right what the hell you know it's like when I see you know a painting by Arthur street or something and he's painted a glass how do you do that right yeah it's just like it's insane yeah it's insane it's insane that well it's there's levels to every game right and the level of
that game was like every other sculptor had to look at that and go oh my god what am I doing yeah you know it was it was damaged between the walls I think by a Turkish guy there was either born in Australia or had been living in Australia and he went to Rome and back then they used to
used to be able to walk right up to it you know and I don't know you hit it with a hammer or something like that and damaged it and there we go I broke the arm off did they have to how do they oh no I'm 72 Hungarian oh yeah sorry I'm going to go on a straight I was the top attack the sculpture
with a geologist hammer while shouting I am Jesus Christ I've risen from the dead with 15 blows you removed Mary's arm at the elbow knocked off a chunk of her nose and chipped one of her eyelids how did they repair it that's a thing right it's perfect now so wow painstaking restore returns can
you show me the photo of what it looks like now yeah yeah yeah that's what I'm saying like imagine they they repaired that how how yeah good fucking job look at that material man look at that on the bodice of her costume yeah it's all of it is incredible the way his fingers grasped
in between the two fingers grasp the piece of cloth yeah insane yeah so I was able to just walk right up to it walk around it and at one point in time these guys as you can put your hand on it if you want so I did wow yeah well that that was you know I just wanted my kids to experience
a little bit of that because it has been an incredible relationship I've had with that country oh I'm sure just based on a film yeah yeah yeah but it's based on a fucking amazing film it's not a bad one it's a fucking amazing film how much training did you have to do physically for that oh man
I have to start so it was heavy because I had done the film called the insider with Michael man yeah I was gonna ask about that too with the start and smoke and cigarettes before after that wait before I know all about the negatives involved in the process and it doesn't stop me so
it just goes to show how potent it is as a truck yeah so I know I'd basically just stopped all exercise to try and sort of get into the shape of the guy that I was playing you know and and I'm I met Jeffrey why again the guy that I was playing and it was a funny thing because
Michael man was convinced that Jeffrey was an expert golfer and so I'd been doing you know these golf sessions and stuff you know and I met him at a golf course and took him to the driving range and he was not an expert golfer and I asked Michael where did you get that impression from
he said well the way he talks about it's cool cool so I used that too as you know as part of the personality of the guy the guy thought his golf game was way better than it really was just an interesting little you know details of this one conversation where golf comes up and you can see
there's like a little color comes up in his cheek because he wants to defend himself or or beg himself up or whatever it's just absolute minor detail of no concern to anybody else except me you've ever abused me you know but in that conversation you know and I asked him some pretty
tough questions and you know probably you know at my age now questions I would never ask somebody in that situation but you know as you know younger and and you know had that kind of confidence and I kind of crossed into some territory that wasn't comfortable for him and I made him cry
you know and he didn't want to cry but he was sitting off opposite me and he was sort of like emotionally affected and I was mad I've true I have to honor this man I have to put every effort I can into making sure that I tell his story the right way around you know so
um now I met Ridley and I was coming off that film and I made a decision at the beginning because we kept like cutting my hair and dying it we've bleached it seven times but it wouldn't behave like an old person's hair you know we could comb it into place and then the next day we go
you know and we were we took the hair line back shaving the hair back and I mean I just look so fucking weird and at a certain point I just said to Michael man I said just get me a wig this is just crazy you know I'll shave my head just get me a wig I'll wear the wig because then my hair
is going to be exactly right you know and that's what we did so when I met Ridley I was maybe 35 or 40 pounds heavier than I'd been on LA Confidential which was the last movie that he'd seen me in I was bald and I had a really weird sort of suntan because of wearing the wig so my face had some
but my head was white you know and I don't know how he could possibly have ever seen me as the character um but yeah that first conversation I had with him and I said when are you starting and he's like January and I was about three months you know to the 35 pounds yeah and
fine muscles you know so the first thing I did was I went back home and I went on a motorcycle ride for about 10 days and I stand a guy ahead of me in a van with a cooker so wherever I just decided I was going to stop that night or whatever I could only eat his food you know and it was
just really really basic just sort of salads and beans and stuff like that you know it's changed so much over time the knowledge we have and nutrition and everything you know um back then you're pretty much you know you're working off some really dodgy information you know like at one point
in my life and everybody was told you know the Mediterranean diet is the is the key so eat past or every day just like the Italians do cut to a whole bunch of big people you know the thing being is the food production process is not the same necessarily in you know other countries outside of
Italy right Italy or France whatever they have you know food production methods that are like artisan methods that have been used for a long long time and pretty much most of the places you go that food hasn't necessarily been affected in the same way as it might in a more
Westernized country like America like Australia you know we borrow your food production methods so we've got you know um co-insurup up the jacksy and everything you know you know as well so new wheat yeah but yeah so I had three months to get ready and that's um you know I don't think
when we started I don't think I was ready but by the time we're halfway through the film and my shirt's coming off and all that sort of stuff I had had enough time and enough focus on it to get it to a certain place so did you have to train while filming yeah constantly you know because
it was um yeah I mean training in that you know at the top step of the of the third tier of the Colosseum there's a room that's got Jim gear in it you know or you're in the middle of the desert and there's an extra tent and that tent is a gymnasium you know and you know I had to sort of
share the space as a whole bunch of gladiators in gladiators all bunch of guys are desperate to work out and everything so I just let everybody use the space as well just on the provides so that if I'm coming in and I've got 15 minutes between things and I need to be on the bench just get
off the fucking bench right and then once like yeah call me you know so it was it was quite a you know a good collaboration actually with all those those guys well that so did you ever wheeled this sword before did you have to learn how to do all those moves yeah um I took it upon
myself because I didn't get to go to drama school you know I just started working you know I was working as a set of clubs and stuff like that when I started moving into doing more acting stuff um you see I was born in New Zealand I moved to Australia when I was four moved back to New
Zealand with my parents when I was 14 then at 21 I moved back to Australia by myself because I considered Australia to be my home I'd lived there between four and 14 that's your formative years you know I never felt like New Zealand even though that was the land of my birth it was
really home so I went back to where I felt comfortable and um I went back with the idea that you know I've been doing all these clubs and put bands and stuff like that but I'm gonna sort of change the priority I'm gonna focus more on acting and put the music you know underneath it
and one of the things that I planned on doing was working enough saving money to then go to night at the National Institute of Dramatic Art and get a piece of paper that says I know how to do my job right so the year was 88 I think I've been in Australia for a couple of years by then
I had an agent things were going really really well um solid work being able to save money and I was doing a show at this theatre and a guy called Bruce Applemore who had been my brother's biology teacher in high school but who had become a friend of my one of my uncles and he came to
see the show and he came backstage and at that point he was the technical director for the National Institute of Dramatic Art you know so he said so what's your plan then I said well you know I've got the money in the bank I'm auditioning for night or in October or whenever it was and you know
you go you go well you're gonna go to drama school I said yeah I'm well you know I want to tell you guys I walked into this theatre tonight as I was walking to the theatre there's a banner that says the name of the show above the name of the show is your name it's too late for you to go
to drama school you already do what you're supposed to learn at drama school the only thing that you'll pick up is bad habits so in that one conversation this dream I'd harbor for about four or five years just disappear you know um but it was I mean it was absolutely the right advice to
for me to receive at that time it would have been probably a big waste to my time to go into a drama school situation at that point acting as one of the strange things that some people have an ability to do like there's athletes that have gone into films that you know just play an
athlete in a film and do a fucking amazing job like was it uh who was in um uncut gems was it Kevin Durant no Kevin Garnett amazing in it he's good at amazing he's a plays a professional basketball player he is a professional basketball player but there's that thing right there's a simple thing to
understand that you're just gonna inhabit the character yes you know um and you can't operate yourself a little bit like a puppet master emotionally or whatever you know and as you're saying some people can just accept that yeah and they're fine with it other people find it very hard and
they sort of like they sort of um they put a performance on which does not being driven from yes inside and they feel it they're doing something that they've constructed that they think oh people will think I'm that guy if I do this thing over here but they're not actually experiencing
what the character is experiencing therefore it's not coming across as real right it doesn't resonate yeah it doesn't whatever it and you see it sometimes like you'll see one actor stand that like oh he's faking it right yeah it takes you out of it but just like the same way you see the opposite
yes yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah turns his head and you go oh yeah yeah he's fantastic you know like when when you're doing a character whether it's Braddock or the gentleman from the insider and you're playing an actual human being it that must come with a no it's another level of
responsibility right because you have especially the insider because that that was the first film where I had saw that kind of changed my perspective on things and made me openly consider the idea that a corporation would have someone that assassinated right if they're going to affect their business
and I saw that move I remember seeing that movie going Jesus Christ and it took me down a rabbit hole of reading about the history of the tobacco industry and lobbyists and what they had done to try to obscure the fact that it was causing cancer and addicting people and all the chemicals they'd put
into those things you're you're playing a guy who risked his life to tell us to let everybody else know hey there's some nefarious forces involved in this business it's not as simple as they're just selling cigarettes they're doing some shit yeah yeah well like the responsibilities the right
would you know that experience that I was sharing with you where I sat in front of him I asked him some tough questions I could and I pushed a button emotionally well I can see he was still affected by it and it was about his family and and the question you mean yeah it was about the effect of
the situation on his family and that took him to a place and I could see him just get you know emotionally I realized he's still all these years later is carrying this around you know there was a big thing for him to do as you say he risked everything in his life risked his professional
reputation the health and safety of his family you know to put that information in front of us the weird thing for me about all of that is that this legal loophole kind of situation you get into where if you admit something is unsafe then you're liable for the fact that you pedal something
it was unsafe because there's a whole lot of things that you can do to make these less potent in terms of how they damage you you know you can take out the chemicals you can return the tobacco tours in more natural state you know but we don't do any of that because that would be
admitting that it's an unsafe product and it opens up a whole bunch of more legal bullshit but you know it's a funny thing I don't want to be an advocate for cigarette smoking but there are you know there is a long long history of us and you know wanting to smoke things you know
well there's been a lot of great work that was written on nicotine made a lot every major mathematician every major scientist they will smoke there is something in that nicotine opening neural pathways yes that they might not be have access to normally
I think it's the delivery method too because there's different ways of doing it as pouches but there's a very different thing that happens when you smoke it right yeah but all my friends that can't quit cigarettes say the same thing yeah I think there's a just it's a different thing like
they need nilky you know I use Red Man plug on long hole flights yeah that's how much of a nicotine addict I am I I got it chewing tobacco on all the little flights I got a great Nor Mcdonald story Nor Mcdonald and I just by luck sat next to each other on flights on two different occasions just total dumb luck right Norm said norm what's up it's talking and he's done I quit smoking he's telling me this whole thing about it quit smoking yeah I was terrible it's the hardest thing I ever had
to kick yeah I loved smoking but you know what it's fucking terrible for you I had to quit so it's telling me about this the moment we land he runs into the gift shop and buys a pack of cigarettes and he's lighting them before he gets like oh what do you do I thought you quit he was yeah I did
but then we started talking about it I wanted to cigarette but he's lighting it before he even gets out the door he's just couldn't wait to get it back in him well there's the funny thing though right with somebody sort of said to me once which and it's a true thing is like you know when
you haven't had a cigarette for a while and you get a craving right that's all you have to deal with right right right at that moment yeah it's not like other things right that might you know get deeper and harder and more difficult or whatever it's only ever gonna be that craving so
you just have to sort of walk past it and you know and but also to satisfy that craving when you do satisfy that craving it's an immediate release of one of the most pressing physical things that's bothering you the most pressing physical things bothering you is you want to cigarette
and when you get it and when you get it and I've tried to give up what I found is that my brain doesn't work the way I want it to work right I find it quite hard to make decisions and so it's sort of like I've had experiences where you know for an extended period of time I'm in this
battle of trying to completely get rid of it out of my life but all of these other things are being negatively affected because I'm not making decisions my businesses are starting to wobble my bank account is not looking good you know and so I've just got fuck it back in line
well it's a significant newtropic you know it really is it does affect in a very positive way cognitive performance yeah and it's undeniable yeah well as we say we say in that film it breaks through that blood brain barrier that's why it's so addictive and so hot yeah yeah
and why it's so effective too it's just too bad it's terrible for you yeah and I'm feeling it man at the age of 60 having smokes and so I was a kid a hundred percent know it's like a you know it's a short course for me when you were playing Braddock did you smoke all through the training
I smoked in the ring right his photographs I had a guy because you can't take your gloves off on and so I used to just go over to the corner it's to get my mouth out of the puff wow but then we developed a set of gloves that were velcroed so they had the laces on the outside but they're
actually velcro I could get them out so I could have a cigarette yeah you know not constantly but you know would be you know you're doing a shooting day in the ring you know you're in the ring all fucking day you know so you're gonna be in the ring doing boxing stuff for 12 hours so when we
started that film Ron Howard's idea was to do the first 35 days of boxing and then do the scenes afterwards but after we did the first fight you know which took six or seven days you know I said you've got to rethink that you know I'm rehabbing from the shoulder 35 days in a row it's like
it's gonna break down man we have to so we re-did the schedule and we cycle back into the boxing so I'd box Mondays and Tuesdays and then basically Wednesday would be off physically and then I would start the prep gearing up for the next boxing day you know and what was good about it is that it
kept me in shape through the whole shoot you know if we'd done 35 days of boxing and stopped and then done another 30 shooting days where I didn't have to box you know James Jay Braddock would have changed shape to the course of the film you know it was because I was cycling back into the
boxing that I that I stayed in shape and kept improving you know because we had gaps in between so I'd learn a little bit more from Angela or whatever and we'd be able to adjust something so it was a really good choice to make because it made and and it was because of doing that that Ron was able to
clearly see we need another gear change between now and and the championship and that's when we came up with the idea well the only way we can have a gear change if we just do it for real you know wow but when I did the real fight did it with the fellow Troy who was he was so really lovely like great boxing great athlete incredible on the ropes you know on this skimming rope just superior I did it with him because I wanted the challenge of doing it you know if we're going to do it for real
I want to do it with him and now you know we're chasing each other around that ring it was it was it was a incredible experience but I wasn't you know it's just that thing is like he's a good solid guy I don't know he was never going to kill me right right right right there was a couple
blocks in that cast yeah if he gets the opportunity he's too feral he'll just take my head off if I give him half a freaking break you'll just you know yeah guys like that out there yeah did you have any experience boxing as a young man a little bit a little bit I did martial arts when I was a kid
so I started off with karate but a con that would have been I would have started that when I was 12 then I did Zendokai and then I did like a a street martial art thing as well and oh I'd get to kind of like you know halfway up the belt ladder and you know then I move on to something else you know
but it's funny because all of that training comes into play later on in my life you know and funnily enough I always say to people it's actually my musical theater background and dance routines that make my fight sequence is so sharp you know because it's sort of like
you're working with a rhythm and if you'll be working with a camera and the camera is trying to catch something you know if you have that rhythm then you can display this stuff that sure the camera to to capture in the audience to see you know but it's a lot of people think I'm joking
when I say it but it's for real are you do you wear a Vasilio Lomachenko no he's a Ukrainian boxer is one of the best powerful power fighters in the world yeah he beat a combo from Australia who's also an elite fighter but he he was trained by his father from the time he was very young
and his father made him take two years off of boxing to learn Ukrainian dance to help his footwork and he has the greatest footwork of all time there you go his footwork is impeccable you know you have to see pull up just a highlight reel of the way this guy moves because it's so
bizarre he moves differently than any other boxer on the planet and he's by far the he has the best footwork and the most elusive he cuts angles and does movement and misdirects in a way that no one has to list wrong I did Buddha counter star with then I did Sir Dore okay she's a kung-fu
okay and then I did Zendokai after that yeah which is more of a street fighting thing which is headbutts and shit oh okay yeah well it's like you know it's a good crowd my god type deal yeah yeah it's like let's make this short and sweet yeah and just you know get it down yeah who's your favorite
boxer over time do you think or boy I don't know I don't know if there is a one this this is Loma Chanko just watch how this guy moves like his foot look at that yeah look at that that footwork is fucking insane there's no one like him there's no one like him he's so elusive
and the punches come from angles that you don't expect them to come from and he's moved up multiple weight classes I think he's the quickest man to ever win I mean because he had an unbelievable amateur record right I think he's the quickest man to ever win a world title I think
you want a world title in like four bouts right incredible yeah I used to love watching Costa Zoo oh yeah he was amazing yeah yeah yeah fantastic and his his son who's got two boys and they're both up and come as at the moment yep yeah Tim just lost for the first time and yeah I watched
that fight in Nikita yeah that was crazy yeah crazy fight crazy fight yeah it's a murder punch he was fantastic man yeah he knocked out Zab Judah one time I remember that oh my God I've never seen yeah that happened before and that was when Zab Judah was Zab Judah he was the thing yeah
he was the thing and everybody was like counting down how many seconds is it gonna take him to end Costa Zoo's life yeah it simply didn't happen well he was so slick and so elusive himself and Costa Zoo just planted one on well he planted a couple on him but one big one that
really rocked him and he had that little rat tail that was his thing well that's the thing with Costa I think he had you know nearly 300 fights or something as an amateur what you start with he did the consequences of him hitting you he was just such a murderous puncher
that even if a guy was slick it was just you needed to make one mistake boom there it is and he got up and his legs were just a complete rubber yeah so I only thought that I've seen that you know you know boxing well he made a mistake there he should have just stayed down
he was his ego that made him jump up to his feet he should have taken a knee wait to the count of eight rows and then you play play that back again because he's got that one big right but then it's a two-punch combination that really puts him into that situation right yeah bang then
one two that hurt him and boom bam that's the big one yeah yeah see if he just stayed down yeah probably what a guy's legs back in eight seconds yeah right right now he's okay yeah exactly but who knows he would probably got caught again that's the tricky thing about boxing yeah and so
yeah I was I was at the Costa Zoo Ricky hat and fight when I got to mate his alloys as you have to be careful with befriending boxes right because there will be that night once just all over yep you know and it was in Manchester and Hatton was jack man he was his body was chiseled in a way
I'd never seen his body before and you know from my perspective it it looked like he was you know laying in some shots under the belt you know but in an audience like that in Manchester which was all about Ricky you know they're all for him he didn't have a lot of dissenting voices yeah but I
was you know in the dressing room holding Costa over a bucket while he pissed blood for about 20 minutes I feel like yeah and I was like really made me understand what the boxing world was you know but it really is yeah it's every one of those takes something away from that fight or forever
they'll never be exactly the same I don't think you fought again after that yeah you know I've that big long story career and multiple world championships and all of the things that he achieved and then you know he just knew that that was the end of that for him well good for him for
recognizing that that's one of the hardest things for fighters to recognize when it's over because their entire identity is based on this one thing that they do and then who am I if I don't do that thing and your whole life for the time you're your sports people those not you know I think
for fighters it's even it's more difficult it's much more intense to fight it for sure it's also you have to have this ridiculous belief in yourself that you're the best of all the all the elites out there you're the number one you're the guy that can get it done yeah Ricky Hatton this
prime was a bad man yeah he was great oh he was a mall or boxer mall or two just so hard knows yeah just come at you just you know which is why you know what his some of his loss the Floyd Maywear they're one example it just shows how great Floyd was right is able to weather that
and figure out their openings yeah and then Manipackel after that packel what a fun yeah he just fought again he just had an exhibition fight in Japan just ridiculous didn't look that good I liked him I used to like watching Oscar Deloio so his prime he was amazing he's off the
reservations now though see what he posted on his Instagram today him and his girlfriend in their underwear dancing around and looks like he's on a pound of cocaine oh dear he's got a jock strap on he's bounces dick around she's bouncing her ass right it's the it's something that if
somebody else film be like don't post that right do not post that meanwhile he put it on his own fucking account see you got it Jamie it's been taken down what do you mean it's been take he took it down it says the one I looked for it's been scrubbed from Instagram so I found that well that's
it in the corner in the right hand corner you could see with the two of them we're doing so she's dancing he's it well they're blurring him out because he had like some little jeez string around where his dangling was bouncing around she's shaking her enhanced ass the whole
thing is just I mean what definitely needs to go and do some ukrainian folk dance yeah not the best footwork I mean in his prime the guy moved like a butterfly but you know things have changed it was an amazing fighter in his prime absolutely and unfortunately it gets
overshadowed by activity like we just witnessed you know what do you think of this Jake Paul fellow I always say that if Jake Paul was not a YouTube star if people just looked at him like an up-and-coming boxer you would say this kid's got a lot of fucking talent that's dangerous he's
dangerous I think his strength is that people for whatever stupid reasons they underestimate him because of what his background was and they think there's no way that some guy who became famous off of YouTube is going to be an actual legit boxer but if you look at what he's done the time that
he's put into it and the ability that he has just the sheer ability is a very good boxer yeah very good yeah it seems to treat his body the right way to yeah yeah trains hard yeah I mean I've watched a lot of his training footage I've watched a lot I've watched all of his fights he can fight
what do you think of the thing with Mike though 58 is 58 yeah no matter what no matter what you're taking and what they're doing for you and you're still 58 but 58 year old Mike Tyson is not 50 year old of Mike Jones it lives down the street it's a different kind of human being he
still can knock your fucking head into another dimension if he can catch you the thing is Kenny catch a 28 year old guy who's at the top of his career who's winning legitimate boxing matches I mean he's beating former UFC world champions like tyron woodley you know he had that very
good fight with Tommy Fury who's a legitimate boxer you know which is a very good fight you know he just beat up Mike Perry who's a bare knuckle champion I mean it's a he's a real fighter he can fight he can and if Mike Tyson and him are fighting and Mike can't catch him and Mike has
has bad knees of his back's bad I mean I don't know what's going on with him physically you get hard to tell from a guy just hitting pads when he's hitting those pads he looks great yeah like yeah if he can do that if you can actually do that for eight rounds or 10 rounds over him
on his fight is well that's the going to be the key yeah Kenny do that I don't know if he can do that I mean he had to pull out of the first fight because he had an ulcer right so it's you know the thing is I was quite enjoying the second phase of Mike's life you know he was terrifying
as a boxer yeah terrifying you know I even when I met him at one point back you know backstage of the stadium out of fight and I was like I'm still terrified of you from watching you you know but then that guy he started becoming where he became more explorative and he was looking
into what you know the meaning of life and you know having a smoke every now and then and stuff like that you know I was like I'm enjoying this Mike yeah I'm liking the evolution you know what bothers me with this whole thing is that he's got a kind of you know slide back to that warrior
you know and I just I'm not sure he needed to do it you know yeah he's the reason why this table so wide why is that because I was going to make the table more narrow and be closer to the guess I had him on once when he was retired and he was much heavier and he was smoking a lot of weed
and he's contemplative and you know interesting and philosophical and just a fun guy to hang out with and then I had him on again when he was about to fight Roy Jones Jr. and he had lost about 60 pounds he looked shredded he had muscles bulging in his arms and he was very intense it was like
a completely different human being and he was terrifying just feeding the room was fucking terrifying and I said you know what this table needs to be a little wider I'm glad it wasn't only me yeah I just don't want to be that close to it he's fucking scares me like I felt his energy it was a
dear and even Jamie said it after he left Jamie was like that's a totally different person because Jamie was here for the first one the second one it was just he was so fired up that it was he had reignited that thing inside of him that existed when he was the best in the world yeah and
that that force that caused him to try to achieve greatness was back and he was fit he was you know he's in middle of training and he was he was all in on this Roy Jones Jr. fight and now he's always just hope for the both of them that it transcends the the sort of circus type atmosphere
that's around it you know yeah it's legit fight and they both do well and nobody gets hurt that would be nice but it's probably not going to happen it's probably going to be one of two things it's either going to be Jake Paul's going to find out that 58 year old Mike Tyson is still a mother
fucker or we're going to find out that 58 year old men are 58 year old men no matter what they look like and Jake Paul is a 28 year old athlete in the prime of his life yeah you know it was a real me if you just do it to yourself right yeah me at 60 versus me at 28 right forget about it yeah
it's different things yeah yeah yeah and also there's an accumulation of injuries that everyone has helped me yeah just just no avoiding but what I do want to get in the get I guarantee you stem cells will help that right I've had tremendous success with stem cells right in shoulder joint yeah
yeah I was told by a doctor that I was going to have to have shoulder surgery he said he said well he did all of these exercises pushed down on it and we did an MRI so I get so torn he goes you could try to rebuild it no it was a little bit of labor but it was I had a full length rotator cuff
tear okay and he's like it's going to have to be repaired so I had another guy in Vegas this guy Dr. Roddy McGee and he's like let's try stem cells and he was doing them for the UFC and you know this was they could do some pretty potent stuff this is before some of the new regulations have
come into place that they're constantly trying to regulate the stuff because it's very effective well I went in he shot me up I took it easy on it I did rehab I started doing all these band I used these crossover symmetry bands and I started doing all these exercise to build my shoulders
back up and then I started feeling pretty good and I started working out again and just being real careful as soon as I feel pain I'm gonna stop I went back to him in six months he got an MRI but he said it was the most extraordinary thing he's ever seen he said the tear is gone right
I've never seen this before because I've never seen this all my years of being an orthopedic surgeon I've never seen a tear in a rotator cuff completely disappear what's happened with my now is that it's full of arthritis you know so if they were gonna repair it now right they've got to cut it
they've got to pop the bone up shave the top of the humle head off cut it off put you know like yeah some plastic bit yeah yeah don't do that yeah 11 months rehab yeah don't do that yeah don't do that yeah this is why I don't do that yet because there's breakthroughs right now
where they regenerating cartilage there's several studies I believe one of them is out of Australia and another one my friend Brigham who runs ways to well I actually sent this to him I'll send this to you Jamie but it is there's a new study that came out that's showing that they're able
to regenerate cartilage tissue and this is very very promising so with when they're able to do this kind of stuff now if you could just hang in there here you go Jamie if you could just hang in there for just a year or so I guarantee you they're going to be implementing this stuff on people
yeah I've got no cartilage in my big toes no cartilage left because all the sports I used to do lateral nerve toes yeah and but also you know sometimes the shit goes wrong in a stunt and you got a stop or you die right so this is it insulin-like growth factor one in
Articular cartilage repair for osteoarthritis treatment so they're able to do this signaling pathway that's been implicated in Articular cartilage repair IGF-1 is a member of the family of growth factors structurally closely related to pro insulin-caproomal I don't know what that word is crondice
crondro site prolification enhance matrix production and inhibit catabolism more over we discussed the potential role of IGF-1 and OA treatment of note we summarized the recent progress on IGF delivery systems optimization of IGF delivery systems can facilitate
treatment application in cartilage repair and improve OA treatment efficacy so there's this and there's another one that's in Australia where they're they're using it on cheap right now and they're able to regrow cartilage on cheap and they're about to begin human trials on that as
well here human discovery animal models could sue into new human therapies so this is this is the next stage right because right now there's nothing they can do about cartilage what stem cells have been really effective at is soft tissue injuries tendon repair things along those lines and a lot of
neurological disorders that people have especially IV versions they've done a lot with Dr. Neil Reardon and Panama's had some great results with that and great results I Mel Gibson came in and talked about his experiences with that and his father his father was in a wheelchair when he was
80 10 years later at 90 was walking around and this is after stem cell okay it says they can do some pretty extraordinary stuff especially outside of the country because outside of America America has the FDA and the FDA is very strict on this stuff but if you can go to Tijuana
there's a place called the cellular performance institute they send a lot of UFC fighters down there they had amazing results amazing they're shooting them into people's discs and growing disc tissue on people that have disc generation issues it's just we're real close we're real close
to being able to regenerate all kinds of stuff so just gotta hang in there yeah hang in there but I guarantee you what the stem cells can do is help heal what can heal in that area reduce inflammation give you more range of motion and give you a much more pain free experience because I've
got that situation with my toes right I've got grade four tears in both Achilles I've got shin splints I've got bone marrow ademis under both knees Jesus I've got one disintegrating hip oh boy and I know exactly what fall that was from what we gladiator of course and then you go on my back
I've got ribs that pop off I've got you know both shoulders are shit but the left one is particularly shit and it's like you know like even on this tool we've been doing because we've been traveling like 35000 kilometers or something on this tool and you know sometimes it's in a
plane but other times it's you know you know hopefully a boss but most of the time just to yaka or one point we were traveling around you know pet transport van you do it at old school yeah well the thing is the the band doesn't generate cash like my day job right so I've got to work to
how what the band earns right right right so definitely makes it a little more difficult for sure you know but it's also real you're doing it like a real touring band yeah yeah yeah lining up in funky little airports and yeah yeah and most of the flights have been you know once the tourists
begun have been you know economy flights and blah blah blah so well I'm gonna try to get you in the morning before you take your flight out of here all right I bet I can yeah I'm 99% make it just get Bing Bang right yeah they'll just start injecting you in the morning they'll give
you an IV of stem cells they'll inject them into the areas that are hurt interesting yeah it'll help you guaranteed it'll help you know it sounds like your shoulders pretty fucked but yeah like I say hang in there this shit's coming so I'm I'm kind of probably doesn't look like it to you but I'm
actually in the process I've had 10 years of allowing myself to be in a certain shape and playing all sorts of roles with that but when I finished Nuremberg in April or so I just said okay that decades over and I'm gonna go back the other way so I was 126 kilos when I came off Nurember
I'm currently 112 and a half nice just slowly and slowly you know that's the right way to do it but what what I'm looking forward to is that all of the you know guys that are 10 years my junior you're going mate you fucking let yourself go haven't you you know okay whatever I'm gonna just
be passing them on the escalator as I go down you're enjoying yourself yeah yeah I just I feel even if I I start working less which is something that's also in the back of my mind if I'm gonna spend more time for myself and not working then I want to be in a particular place you know so I can
enjoy it a little bit more sure yeah just physically you'll feel a lot better just moving around but it has been a very interesting decade you know and it's funny in my business on how how much it can affect your friendships what you look like really oh for sure absolutely for sure
in what way well just two stops calling you and stuff they stop calling you if you gain weight for sure really oh those are real friends well that's exactly right yeah so it's been a lovely process of elimination just cleaning a few things out how bizarre yeah I don't know well get to
but in my mind I'm aiming for about 104 105 nice like that you'll get there come on man that should be relatively easy yeah you know but for me fighting weights 80 kilos hmm that's you know can you get there I don't think so why not I bet you can but it's just the thing is I can't because
of all the damage everywhere mm-hmm is what I used to do is just outrun my you know right go through a period of you know abusing yourself and then just outrun it uh-huh and I simply can't do that anymore you know I just can't outrun the years of you know abuse can you use an air dime
an air dime bike yeah I've gotten yeah those are the shit yeah those I did that stupid thing today that's what I'm trying to do is actually make the adjustments without relying on you know Olympic level physical preparation you know I'm just trying to bring it down purely through
diet and you know and the fact that I've been losing weight while I'm on a tool like this where you don't have consistency in the way you can exercise and the food that's available to you you know two o'clock in the morning after you finish to gig is you know it's pretty airy the
fact that I've actually still been able to come down is amazing I've never been on a tour with a band in my life and I've been doing this stuff since the early 80s and lost weight you go on tour you gain weight that's what happens so it's been pretty I'm really looking forward to the
being back on the farm where it can be consistent and add a little sort of consistent exercise to it I don't know what the rules in Australia are for peptides do you know what kind of regulations they have there I'm pretty sure that they're available but you can't use them in a professional
since which doesn't affect my job but but you know exposed people can't use right support people can't use them here either unfortunately well they do is help you heal especially things like BPC157 they just help heal injuries and they've recently banned that here for some fucking stupid
reason none of it makes any sense what you can get versus what has not shown any adverse side effects but then you have to go through this insane process to get it legalized that takes forever and costs insane amounts of money and just that's what they're in right now but peptides can help you
tremendously tremendously helps you help heal helps your your body regenerate tissue helps you lose weight it can help you in a lot of ways yeah there's a lot of different things you do but I'll connect you with these ways to well people they can help you a lot and also just eat nothing but steak eat everything all just you don't own your steaks get on a carnivore diet high protein low carbs right you just
lose weight quick like that anyway because your body is like easily satisfied right if you're only eating meat protein you'll eat so much and then you're done your body like knows how to regulate exactly what you have and then also then you'll be in a state of ketosis a lot of time now that I've
made the decision it's quite interesting what's happening to my um just just the food intake you know I you know yesterday I was eating a steak I was really enjoying it but I didn't finish it I got to a certain point when actually I'm good yeah so it's just a funny thing you know like you know
we've talked before about the power of the imagination or whatever you know I've now made the decision yes that I'm going the other way yeah and you know as long as I'm you know clear about that decision then the things just you know you just start to fold in under what you've you know the decision
you've made right yeah you're you move into that direction yeah yeah yeah and I'm just sort of taking you know taking the attitude I'm not slavishly weighing myself every day I'm not you know there's nothing uh it's not schedule specific you know which has been so much of my life I'm
prepping for a thing that happens on a certain date you've got X amount of time to get to that place you know um there's some like I'm really taking it on board as a decision I purely made for my own reasons you know and that is you know when it's summertime I like taking my shirt off by the pool
you know right so it's like all right if I had 10 years without doing that so now I'm going back the other way do you what exercise can you do that doesn't hurt um oddly enough and I just I would never have thought this you know I know it doesn't seem logical but you know when I got to
a point with my Achilles that was affecting everything that I was doing you know and they set me up I did you know full blood injections platelet rich injections did all of that stuff you know many banging yourself with pain killers because you're such a heavy hit when you do that sort of
thing particularly with the Achilles you know and Moon Boot and all that and it just wasn't work in man and I was doing the rehab exercises and everything and I can feel that with the rehab exercises that they were redamaging the area they weren't making it better you know so I kind of said to the guy that I was working with it's just like I got to stop I got to stop because every time I see you then I limp the next day you know that if I don't do the exercises you know after a certain
amount of time the limp gets less you know so I have to come up with some other way of doing it and you said I was crazy at the time whatever then I started going out with a girl who loves playing tennis I used to like playing tennis when I was younger so cool let's play tennis you know our romance
is based on the fact that the first time I played tennis I couldn't beat her okay I've got to keep you around and play you enough times till I work out out of grind you into the dirt young lady and but here's the thing with tennis with a short burst of running right and it's sort of like it's
not constant like 10k's on a treadmill or out on the road or whatever it's just a short burst of running right and then you've got a minute while you sort of gather yourself together you have a break between games or whatever and then another burst of running another burst of running I seem to have
rehab my Achilles by playing tennis wow that would be the last thing I would suggest I would think that that springing would be the recipe for disaster but because it's like a momentary movement but you know with tennis if you're getting to the ball you've got to use 100% of yourself you know you're going for that ball and and it's all in but it's three or four steps right you know and then you have a sort of like a little bit of a break or the next shot you don't have to put so much effort
into it whatever and it just seems to I have you know I had years and years man I'm in time talking about from 98 onwards right so that's through all of those movies we were talking about like gladiator like master commander like Cinderella man Noah whatever the problem with my Achilles is always
present always present you know and but since in the last five years it's gone away I don't think about it every day and I walk with that limp now wow that's just tennis I wonder how much of that is the same thing like the direction you've made this direction to beat this woman at tennis
you got to get good at seeing your mind is your mind is saying to you buddy all right you got to fix this fucking problem with Achilles I'm gonna need those yeah we're gonna need those we're gonna need to fire up all the resources to it could be also too that those platelet rich injections and
stuff that they were doing in the timeline that they were considering to be the right timeline is incorrect the timeline is in fact a lot longer yeah and I think if you look at the tennis thing it actually recreates the rehab exercises sure but you're not doing you know five sets of 10
right you're doing a little bit and then the next day you might do that same move again or whatever you know but it's not wearing it down at the same time that's what I found with the rehab exercises that it felt to me as I said I think that I was re-enjuring you know there would stretch
stretch stretch stretch to a certain point that's good then you do that one set of them too many and you feel that little click again and you know that that it's retorn you know yeah that makes sense it's it's like limited plyometrics that's what it's like you know it doesn't make sense
but it's it's funny that that's the thing that got you healthy again because that is I mean crazy right yeah so opposite of what I think anybody would recommend it doesn't seem the you know bear logic but here it is you know sort of and you know I've started writing
um by schools again now and everything because he got to the point man with a pain you know if you went on a mountain bike for 15 or 20k's it's just white hot paint in the back of my heels you know yeah but now I'm enjoying it again and you know having fun with it so you know it's so it's
cool that's a beautiful thing yeah so uh love yeah love love in the ability to decide that you want to beat this person yeah and I did like I ended up there was one time in Melbourne we played indoors on the um the practice course they have for the open six love and I never let it forget it
she still will beat me quite regularly but I do have that one pure moment of victory that I recall for a while that's hilarious the motivation it's interesting our motivation is such a massive factor and success like what what are you actually enthusiastic about it's just that the direction
that your mind will put your body through when you've made a decision like that if you got kids yes yeah have what are there edges I have a 28 year old I have a 16 year old and a 14 year old okay yeah cool and that you dig being a dad I love it yeah I love it it's bizarre it's a
bizarre education in who you are as a human being your the reflection you have on it but possibly that greatest human privilege yeah I I used to think I used to think differently about it I used to think that everybody when I first started having kids I felt like everybody should have kids
I don't think that now anymore but I think that for me it's been one of the most one of the most impactful and powerful things ever in my life it changed me as a human being in so many different ways right Dave Dave Chappelle has a great phrase about it that I always repeat
he said not only did it increase the amount of love I have it increased my capacity for love for me it also made me change the way I think about people right because I used to think if I met a guy and he was 50 years old I was like that's 50 year old guy now I meet him like oh he's to be
a baby they used to be a kid it's a little kid I think of the whole path of that person becoming an adult now I never used to do that before yeah well I'm at that place now where my eldest is in university and my youngest is about to finish high school and we've it's just you know it's
amazing we had a funky life in that you know there was divorce involved and things like that so we haven't always been together you know but I can honestly say that my two favorite people to spend time with in the world you know and the things that we can do now you know with this
little head that was nothing but just a you know a bundle of blankets you know I can now have these incredible discussions with you know my eldest went into university to do an arts degree right didn't find it challenging so without any discussion just flipped his degree and he's now doing
Latin and ancient Greek whoa yeah and I'm like that's a big change and he's like well I just worked out how to make the education system work for me and I'm like this guy wow he's so impressive you know and it's like you know I remember the first time he said a word you know and now he has the
intellectual capacity to realize that you know this is a moment in his life if he grabs what he can in terms of his education and he's looked at Latin and Greek and go on if I can nail Latin and Greek every language is available to me so it's like it's just you know I mean to sit back and be
impressed with your kids that's amazing yeah you know and look I think they're both really creative but you know the navigation aspect how you help you know your children navigate the world too much yeah but how do you explain right some of the bullshit that goes on politically and stuff because I
remember being extremely idealistic when I was like you know my teen years and very politically focused and I just got to a point where I was like you know everyone's a bullshit artist yeah there's not one of these guys that I can really say that you know I'd follow into battle so I'll just stop
worrying about politics and go into something else you know but you see the same process is going with them they're trying to reach out something to believe in and somebody that they believed in you know has a policy or whatever that you know it's completely a barren to the way of thinking
so you can see them having to come to grips with you know it's very hard to find a hero yeah you know particularly in that world it's particularly in that world but that world is set up for fools it's set up for people that can just become a figurehead I don't know who said it
first but it was used in the Andrew Lloyd-Rabba Tim Rice musical Avita politics is the art of the possible so it's not really connected to anything it's like what can we get away with right what can we tell you that we're going to do and then never do it yeah it's the art of the possible well you
seeing that now in American politics more than ever because the person that's actually in office is saying what she's going to do if she gets in office right which is just like you're there you're there this is madness like this is and people like yeah she's going to do it like she's been in
there for three fucking years like what are you talking about this is crazy but people want to believe so badly we want someone to be the person that rescues us from whatever situation we're currently in and that's always been the case and the unfortunate thing is in effects you know
Australia as much as it affects here you know we have such an aggressive media situation and the media's need for new information new stories whatever that you know that timeline is you just not going to get people of quality stepping into that world anymore no you know no who'd
want to put themselves through that there's probably hundreds of potentially incredible presidents oh yeah in this country but they're too smart to walk that way you know yeah it's real problem it's a real problem it's only going to get worse and our desire and our hunger for
bullshit and to focus on what did he do when he was in high school right you know what did she say when she was on Twitter when she was 22 like what the fuck are you talking about like we have to put that shit aside recognize it people are just human beings and stop dragging out old shit just
to make your party win because it ruins the entire system yeah well that that is the thing isn't it's just like you know picking a collar and no matter what happens under the banner of that collar you just sticking with the color yeah yeah that's not really going to help any of us now you know
that's all the way it's kind of good I don't know what your political systems like but we're completely trapped in this two-party system yeah we have the same so we have a very interesting thing that's happening in Australia at the moment which is the rise of independence and it's
happened federally and also at a state level two but also in city government as well where non-party affiliated people are standing and so now you have a situation where in the parliament you have a group of them there's you know I can't I don't know the exact number is 10 or 15 or
something independence so you know the main party has to deal with the fact that those independence are going to bring a non-party line series of points to the argument you know and it's it's working well you know it's working for us in that it's making both of the main
parties re-examine who they are and and what they stand for you know we can use that here for sure because people are just so sick of that you know color choice yeah they're reaching for something else well it's also people recognize that a lot of us that claim to be on one side or the other
really are somewhere in the middle but most people have opinions that are a little bit of a conglomeration of both yeah conservative and liberal perspectives especially like liberal socially physically conservative there's a lot of people like that yeah and they're not represented
they're not at the moment no not at the moment and in this country it's the worst that's ever been in terms of the polarization of the two sides and what you know you think of the other side as an idiot no matter what no matter what that person's got to be a moron they think differently than I do
or they support this side I support that side and I'm all in on my team and they're all in it's just it's just it's a tribal thing as tribal is any other thing that we have in in the world and in this country it just doesn't work and we just get captivated by corporations because of that
and it's also the money in politics is so extraordinary which is something that should never have been allowed to happen yeah yeah the old you know there's campaign fundraising situations yeah and the amount of money they just pour into it but also the rules around the engagement
in them in the rules of you know what you can say in an ad that's negative about the other person it's like come on it's ridiculous you know it's like these apocalyptic two-minute blasts that come out of your television there's just all bullshit but if you're leaning that way then you know
it helps your outrage and it helps you confirm that yes well that's you know I'm against that you know but when it's just a series of exaggerations and lies and it just doesn't help anybody well in this country Kamala Harris recently got caught because the campaign was using articles
and they changed the article they changed like the titles of the article they put out like fake positive articles right and the fact that you can do something like that you can persuade people to think that people are writing about something when you're actually putting
it out there right which has just been anus right it's just a complete manipulation of the zeitgeist we've got a situation in Australia at the moment where politicians are suing people for um you know what they say is the loss of their reputation or whatever right
because that person might have commented somewhere on social media or something and said you know x person is x and so now you know they've heard the certain politicians have worked and I can make money out of this so they're using their privileged position to then go and
destroy somebody's life who might have called them a name on social media Jesus Christ really mate it's a bit much yeah you got to put a stop to that if you're in the public eye you got to recognize people are going to throw rocks absolutely man is he standing for yeah for parliament you know
you know congress or whatever it goes for the territory yeah and it also it stifles free speech because it scares people into censorship right well that's that's where it gets really dark yeah so now you're saying that you can't make a negative comment about somebody who's in power
because they will now take your house away yeah that's crazy that's dark yeah well in the UK there's a lot of people that are getting jailed too it's it's a very bizarre time for free speech when we should have the most we have the most access to information it's ever been available and because of
that people are now weaponizing that access right instead of you know it's not like there's someone in the pub listening to you say something negative about a politician but when you say something on Twitter or on Facebook to your group of friends you think of it the same as you saying something
in a pub like this is my opinion fuck that guy and also you're on a lawsuit with that guy right you don't have any money you're like oh jeez you used Twitter and things like that occasionally yeah I do what I call post and ghost I've post it and then I don't read nothing about what I said
just get out of there I don't want to be involved in anybody else's opinions I used to like it man I you know I was probably a relatively early a doctor you know of it but for a while there it was like well this is the thing that we've been looking for in that I can put a a post up here saying
that I'm going to do a show in Germany and I don't have to spend a dollar on advertising right or you know do the interviews and stuff you know and for a while there it was really potent but it's definitely dropped off you know it seems like there's a whole lot of people the people that
you'd want to be reading your stuff that have just decided you know my life's a lot better if I don't yeah that's the problem I just get away from this negativity well there's so much negativity because you know first of all the algorithms so the algorithms enhance what you get involved with
and for the most part people like to get involved with things that infuriate them they get in they like to get involved with things that make them upset that's it distracts them from the daily life or maybe they're the it's the thing that they think is an existential threat and so it's
consume them so they want to talk about it constantly and so that's all you get so many people around the world places like Australia like New Zealand like England like here you know whose anger is all based on misinformation you know and they're sort of like they've had their morality rewired
because they've been pummeled so much by stuff but by somebody who doesn't care right what their response is doesn't care whether what they're publishing is true you know they just don't care I mean I don't know if you ever saw it but I played Roger Ailes in a TV series called The Loudest Voice
which basically is the beginning of Fox and Roger had been a political pundit he'd worked on television in the 60s but then he met Richard Nixon and became an advisor to Nixon and he tried to set up you know a White House news service back in the late 60s tried it again in the 70s
tried it again in the early 80s but the technology is a source in there and the money wasn't there but then he met Robert Murdoch and explained to Rupert that all you need to do to attract 50% of the news audience is just make a decision politically because that's half the available audience
you know in the way you know I can't remember all the figures and everything but the way he set up Fox News it just became an absolute cash cranking machine you know because they got it into the affiliates and stuff like that by offering it at a lower price and then you know got to his
you know subscriber numbers that still had it making money between advertisers and subscribers at that lower price so when their first deal then changed after 10 years and people were then charged you know the subscribers were paying a regular price all of that was profit because
you already had it working at the lower price you know and I think it's something like you know it was ten bucks ahead in an atmosphere where it was normally 33 so then when that first contract finished and it went to the normal subscriber rate you know you got that difference in 77 million
subscribers times an extra twenty three dollars and that's the beginning of opinion based news coverage Fox News yeah yeah because that's when truth is launched publishable option yeah yeah and then you have a real problem today on social media where you have bots where there's
a yeah really a unknown number of entities that are commenting constantly in one way or another about political issues that aren't even real people right it's computer bot keeps it gives the impression exactly that there's you know more people for a particular situation
than there in is in fact in actual reality there was an FBI analyst that he made an estimation that it could be as many as 80% of the people on Twitter bots this makes the whole thing useless and doesn't it kind of does in a way but also there are real people you just got to find those
real people and there's plenty of interesting people to find and anything that's free and open is going to be messy you know and that's what I used to do is just if anybody got on my timeline and chucked in some negative shit I just blocked them yeah just get them out of there you know that's
good move and and for a long time it kept that sort of village of people in a sort of a comfortable place because I just get rid of you know those voices but now you have the situation where you know there's ads running and stuff on on your timeline and you're not allowed to block it
anymore you can't stop you so yeah but it's not it's it's funny because they're running like ads or they're popping up as ads but it's it's kind of it'll have something dark in there you know that then because it's on your timeline will attract more darkness but you can't get rid of it
anymore it can't just block it and chuck it out I mean you can do it with individuals but that's just a strange little thing that's happened yeah it is a strange little thing that's happened but I like I said I just don't engage I only post things I never got into a Facebook I
never really so I don't understand it and I don't really understand Instagram either though we use it for stuff to inform people about gigs with the band but you know Twitter was the only one that I was interested in because it was it was whack it was funny and it was like you know
and you're connecting to people all over the world I've had some you know really funny situations arise you know because of something I commented on that and somebody gave me another piece of information about or whatever you know so I've learned I know a lot out of it but just the last
year or two it's gotten worse you know it's gonna continue to kind of a harsh place yeah it's gonna continue in that way too it's that's how you get engagement unfortunately there's also a lot of fun stuff I mean memes I laugh harder at things that I find online today I mean I think there's more
comedy online today than there's ever been before there's more funny memes I mean it's like a completely new form of art yeah images with funny titles and funny captions yeah there's a few of me around yeah I'm sure I'm sure there's one particular one that comes up all the time as a
shot from Leimee's I'm looking this doorway and I'm I mean you know police uniform with the time and I just kind of go sliding to the people apply it to so many different situations the animated gift like when Homer Simpson melts into the bushes yeah it's like that yeah it's a ton of those
you know I mean I think it's fascinating because it's a new thing I think all this information that's being exchanged online even though it's messy even though it's kind of negative I'm very hopeful because I think I think we're gonna figure all that stuff out eventually if we don't kill
ourselves and it's going to get to a better place of understanding human beings because you're going to be human beings just interacting with human beings in a pure sense without forming our narratives from mass media without forming our narratives from television you're going to get
dissenting opinions people to give more nuanced perspective on things and if you follow the right people and you read the right things and you do kind of shy away from a lot of the more polarizing arguments and the ideological stuff you can learn a lot shit I think I'm very hopeful about it right
but yeah well I always you know I try not to see a set out worst you know there's always sort of something that I can find that gives me a little bit of hope with people yeah yeah but it's it's it's just funny because it to me it felt like the beginning of the future you know that
we're now connected and information exchange was was open and I thought this is going to lead to great changes and it has led to changes but they're not so great yeah you know I mean it's like you know even with a little operation like my band you know somebody just pops up they start
telling selling fake tickets fake meat and greed experiences you know you know they take money in orders for merchandise that they're never going to produce you know it's just it's crazy I mean and there's no there's nothing in there stopping them from doing it right that is a problem yeah
I'm optimistic and even in the face of all the stuff I'm optimistic I think we're moving to a greater place of understanding each other it's just going to be a a wild ride right you know full contact by 2027 is that what they say I don't know what do you think I don't know I don't know
but I like reading all that stuff yeah I do too I get too involved in it yeah but I try try and shy away from coming up with a definitive opinion because been you sort of out on the edge of that limb and you go well it looked like that to me yeah exactly exactly but it would it just
would be it'll be interesting the next couple of years for sure you know I think I'm a little worried about America in the next little while you know I haven't been here for five years man 2019 I finished the loudest voice and I went home and then COVID hit and I had kind of an
incredible experience where you know I said to my boys look you know you're calling the city with your mom and everything but I might go up to the bush and be with my parents because you know they're older and everything's going to change for them and stuff like that so I ended up you know
I've owned my place in the bush since 96 but 2020 was the first time I'd seen all four seasons of the same year at the farm you know and I got this thing where you know my dad dies March 2021 and so often you talk to people and they say you know I wish it had one more dinner one more hug one
more conversation or whatever you know but when I looked at it because it was the surprise when he died it wasn't it wasn't expecting it's 85 but you seem to be quite healthy you know and in reality when I looked at it's like well I got a whole year I got a whole year like
you know having dinner pretty much every night with with my mom and dad and asked him a million questions and stuff not because I thought he was about to pass away it was just because you know we had the time together you know I took him on a few adventures you know like I was digging a
huge dam on my place to try and make it you know um um drought proof you know so now I have a 70 mega liter lake in the middle of my place which gives me enough water to feed the cattle and stuff for seven years some of that you know um and you know like one day we went out I went out to
show him this you know what was basically a hole in the ground at the time about a you know football field size hole in the ground and uh I took him out there in a buggy and the clouds came over and it started pissing down with rain so I've got you know 83 year old old man who you
know you know doesn't move too fast to whatever I've got to put him back in the buggy and drive and by the time we got like halfway back to the house it was absolutely torrential rain you know it was just like getting covered in I was so worried I thought oh my god I'm gonna make him sick
or whatever you know I got him back to the house and I said I'm so sorry about that he said are you kidding that's the most fun I've had in years these people you know referring to my mother and the other people that you know are there to sort of like you know help him out he gets these
people don't let me do anything so we just had little moments like that where we you know just got to share some stuff but you know and then my schedule has been extremely busy since covert but I've been working in other places you know Thailand, Malta, Hungary, England
you know just constantly working but because of what we learnt with covert in terms of being able to just drop in on a TV show my studio on the farm you know now push a few buttons and I can be live on you know a New York tonight show you know so I've restructured what I do with
press you know I do my junkets at my house you know and I might have a nice shirt here but just like today I've got shorts on underneath and I walk out of you know a day of press and I'm in the bush like the horses and the cows and the dogs and I'm you know cool so it's to change my life but it's
meant I haven't been here so it's been a five year gap you know to flying into New York the other day and it's a palpable difference in the way you know people regard each other and the way they talk and the fears they express you know surprisingly though New York felt friendlier really yeah
and you might have something to do with the weed shops everybody was just a little more chilled you know but there's there's a fear in everybody at the moment here and I'm just not sure where that's going to go you know it doesn't feel healthy yeah it doesn't feel healthy for me either um listen man
I really think with America right you've got to remember that it is the beacon of freedom for everybody in the world it's a huge responsibility you know and if people if people are looking for something to change in their life of something positive the vast majority of people will look towards
America and say well that's the beacon you know I want to live like that where people can say what's on their mind and people can have differing opinions people can be of all different you know races religion to whatever and still be in the same community you know it's so important that
America remains healthy into the future for everyone not just for Americans agreed thank you very much man thanks for being here really enjoyed our conversation it was beautiful thank you for my son Tennyson it's gonna be so happy that when he sees my name come up on the on
the list of things he's gonna be very happy and uh I uh I want to just thank you on his behalf you know for being a voice that accepts different opinions you know and doesn't push a particular agenda you know you definitely helped his brain expand and helped him become curious and uh so are you uh thanks for that beautiful thank you cool thanks for everything cheers say how do you son bye everybody thank you