#2147 - Mike Baker

The Joe Rogan Experience by Joe Rogan Park Gas by Night All Day Mike Baker is very important I ask you about this. Because I know you're an expert on conflict. How do you feel about the Kendrick Lamar and Drake beef? Man, I am so glad you asked me about this. Because my boys, you know, I got three boys and all three of them have mentioned this in the past few days, right? And they want to talk about it, right? So Scooter will say, God, did you hear what he said?

And I was like, you know, honestly, no, I haven't. But they've all brought this up. I am completely unfamiliar with the, although it sounds like the old days, East versus West, right? And the old rap battle. I think it's a personality thing because one of them is Toronto. So it's actually America versus Canada. Oh, wow. That's right. That's a real conflict there. And which one is the little guy? Kendrick Lamar. Kendrick Lamar, that's right. Yeah. That's what my middle boy slug goes out.

I think he's like five foot one or something. He's not a big fella. Him and Drake have been going out now for songs piece. So eight songs dedicated to beef. I think that's fantastic. I think we need more of that, right? It's better than the Hamas guy. It's more. Security guard injured in shooting outside Drake's home in Toronto. Oh, Jesus Christ. Right. Damn it. Was it dry by? I think it was outside so he was shot, unconsciously taken to the hospital. Oh my God. Oh my God.

See, it was to not know what the shooting was related. Well, what was it? Take a fucking guess. You think it was a truck a drive by might be related. Well, that's when shake it's scary when people start shooting at each other. Yeah. No, I, when it was just because like I think it was slug who told me that one of them, I think it must have been Drake who was talking about his, he, he, he, distant by talking about his size seven feet or something. Right. That's fine. I think it's great.

If everybody would just like, if the Israelis and Hamas would go after each other in, in song battle rap. Yeah, battle rap. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's how they should do it. Yeah. This is this it was hilarious, but everybody's invested in this beef. My oldest daughter and my wife were in the car this morning and they were having a conversation. These two grown ass women having a conversation about who's the superior rapper.

And it felt that Kendrick is a better lyricist, although Drake has more hits. Drake has more hits. Started from the bottom now. We're here. I mean, look, he's got some bangers. They both have bang. I love Kendrick Lamar. Yeah. I just wish these two would hug it out. Yeah. Well, now it's, now it's moved on to the firefight stage of the, of the battle. Yeah. Well, they're shooting. Yeah. What did you say, Jim?

Kendrick's first big point was that it's, it's 20 verse one because Drake has all those ghost riders helping to make all these, all these hits. Mmm. So that's an allegation in the rap community apparently that Drake hires ghost riders. I don't know how I feel about that. So I feel like the same way I feel like if I find out that someone, there's a banging song, like Beyonce has a song out. I don't get upset if she didn't write it. Do you get upset?

It's mostly only in rap that people are like, you didn't write that thing. Like comedy. Like comedy. Like the same thing with comedy. Country song they don't care. Country they do care. Not really. Yeah. I mean, I was, I was going to say, yeah. Guys like Zach Bryan shine through because they write their own shit. But it's very collaborative. The country is a hugely collaborative. Sure. Tennessee whiskey, right? Tennessee whiskey was a song.

So Chris Tableton. Yeah. But, but you know, he didn't write it and came out. I thought he did, right? No, he came out. He performed it. Yeah. He wrote it. He wrote a lot for other people though. Yeah. But yeah, I just like, I haven't even think there's tons of stuff. They write for each other. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of those guys that like Chris Tableton made a living for a long time as a writer. Yeah. Because people looked and like, come on, man, you ain't sexy.

Yeah. Meanwhile, they were wrong. And it's, and it's a very, it's a smaller community, right? Yeah. And it does tend to get more crossover between musicians and writers, right? Yeah. I mean, a lot of them will start out like you said, as writers. There you go. Tennessee whiskey, the country started written by Dean Dylan and Linda Hargrove. It is. Originally recorded by artist David Allen Cofer, his album, the same name, peaking at number 77 in the Billboard Hot Country Singles in 1981.

Wow. George Jones, 1983 version of the song, was included in his album, Shine On and Reach Number Two on the Hot Country Singles chart. He did great artists. Did you hear that Randy Travis? Randy Travis is using AI now to make new songs because he was paralyzed by a stroke, but because they could take his voice, which is an iconic voice. Yeah. Randy Travis has incredible voice. But because of AI, they can get recordings of him singing and he could plug it into AI and he can still make songs.

And you know how much of a recording they need nowadays to actually mimic the entire range of a person's voice. 30 seconds. Less than that now. Really? Not that long ago, it was 30 seconds. Now you need a snippet and buy a snippet. I mean seconds. And you can then you can you can then mimic that voice through a range of emotions and scenarios. It's stunning. There was a guy who just got fired because he made a fake AI recording of a guy he worked for saying a bunch of racist things.

And the guy like everybody was attacking and we got in trouble and then they somehow another did an analysis on it and real like director did it to like the principle of the high school. Right. He's got to get fired. So he's like, I'm starting to get fired, watch this. Right. He thought he's being slick. But he's a dummy and he didn't know that they can tell. They can analyze audio recordings and tell whether or not they're real. How do they do that? How can they tell?

Well, I won't specifically, I think someone else was like that it was a conversation between two people and they're both like I didn't hear that and I didn't say that. So they're like, well, what could have happened? I mean, there's this I broke. I think they got the guys computer to find out what he's so he must have a secret recording. And then in that secret recording, he took it and then threw it through AI and had him say a bunch of M words in there.

Yeah. There's there's two aspects of this whole thing, right? There's the there's the detection portion of it, right? And you detect like something like this is fake, right? Whether it's audio, whether it's video, a combination of both. And then there's the other side of it, which is trying to stay up with the capabilities of those that are trying to do these, you know, identity thefts or whatever you want to call it.

And that's the, that's sort of the proactive effort to lock down recordings, right? And there's some some interesting work being done in that space where if you film something like say you go to a campaign rally and you film that campaign rally, there are, there are a handful of companies out there figuring out that you can essentially water market, right? So that it cannot be fucked with, right? And then you can determine if it's an actual recording or not.

And that's really, I mean, you think about, you know, how much disinformation is roiling around out there. Yeah. Right? So, but detection, it's important, but it's not enough anymore. So where the focus has to be is on ensuring that anything that's being recorded, whether it's a body cam for a police officer, whether it's maybe someone's at a protest, right?

And there, and there are a protestor or there are on the other side, whatever, to be able to, to film something and then ensure that it's accurate and true going forward, right? And that's, that's a really important part because you can't, the detection side of it's important, but it can't stay up with the developments of all the folks out there, all the criminal gangs, criminal elements, and whether it's state sponsored or not, that's out there, you know, just with this disinformation effort.

So I mean, it's a fascinating, it's a fascinating problem that people are getting duped constantly. It's a fascinating problem that is only going to get worse, as these new versions of AI get rolled out, it's going to be more and more difficult to detect what's true and what's fake. Yeah. And people could do it on their computer so easy now. That was just one of Biden, he's walking and he pauses to talk to people and they CGI shit like that he's pooping himself. I saw that.

The one where he kind of stops. He's in the worst pause. He's got a part. Yeah. Yeah. You just see him poop himself. And people are out there saying, look, that's a, that's a mid stage dementia stance, right? That's what they're, that's what they're saying now. They're, they're talking about that. I don't know, I don't know about that, but, but look at some things going on. There are, if you talk about just what do they call a face swap, right? So they can take a photo of somebody now.

They can take a little snippet of somebody talking now. And there are over a hundred apps out there readily available to anybody, right? That can basically do this face swap technology and put somebody else in there and, and criminal all of them to do it at all the time. Yeah. So, I'm a minister and I send a note, say, to, to somebody in, in procurement. I say, hey, you need to send a check for a hundred thousand dollars to the, to our vendor, right? Here's the details.

Well, they might have protocols in place of the company. So it's okay. Well, first of all, this is a large transaction. I better call the finance director, right? Or whomever. They've got a way that they can, they can figure out how to spoof all of that, right? So you could be talking to whom you think is the finance director, but they'll actually be with the face swap technology that's available out there, right? It's somebody having a conversation.

You think it's the finance director, but they're, they're talking to you and completely different person, completely different person. The person gets changed. The face gets changed. They look exactly like you. Yep. So I could use face swap technology that exists, exists today. And with all the recordings that we have of you from this show. Oh, fuck yeah. Yeah. 100%. We can have you saying a bunch of shit that you never really said. And some shit that I probably did say over the years.

Yeah. A lot of shit. Yeah. That's some shit. But let me ask you this. Like when they're doing this, all this, all this face swap technology and all this different stuff, like what, what can be done to try to keep ahead of it to make sure like from a national security perspective, like how do you? Yeah. How do you keep? How do you know? Right. Yeah. There's a couple parts to that. Like Netanyahu, all of a sudden, has some crazy speech. Right.

And says some wild shit and like we're going to war like, hey, yeah. Is that real? Well, what they, I mean, again, part of it is like there's a handful of companies out there. And they will, they, they're able to again record. And it instantly, as it does it, it embeds information, right? And it embeds specific time, location, you know, recordings in the recording. And it's in there, right?

And then it's sort of a blockchain system where then on the other side, the person can look and go, yeah, this is accurate. This is correct, right? But people have to be able to take that. And that's, I guess, where I'm going with this. People have to be able to take that step to ensure that what they're watching is accurate. So when people say, well, how do you, how do you prevent this? How do you keep this from happening?

The unsatisfactory answer just to a large degree is it comes down to individual people, right? And then the body has a big fucking responsibility now, more so than before, to understand what they're looking at listening to watching. Right? We're fucked. We're fucked. Well, now we're really fucked. I don't want to, I don't want to sound cynical, because there's too many people that are concerned about drinking Kendrick Lamar and don't even know what's going on in Gaza.

They're much more concerned with that. But we have like a lot of 84 IQ years out there bouncing around, walking into traffic. Yeah, 84, what is that average nowadays? Or is that, I don't even know? I think it's 15% of the population is 84 and below, right? Is that what it is? I remember what we looked at. That would also be 15% is whatever, 100 plus and above. What's the actual numbers? Let's get a pie chart of IQs.

I see it's a standard deviation thing for, so you already, I know you're above 84, just because you said that. Yeah, you said standard deviation. Wow. Any Googles with one hand. Yeah. So like, that's because Carl's being petted. No matter what, almost no matter what thing you're trying to average out, almost always end up looking this way and 15% will always be a lot of it. What percentage, 0.1% are 55 and below? Fuck. 2% of the population is 70. Jesus. Between 55 and 70. 2% of the population.

And then 14% of the population is 85. Yeah, but 34% is below 100. So most people are between 85 and 115 and me. I'm in that sweet zone. Between 115 and 130. Oh, yeah. Really? That's impressive. I suspect I'm to the left of that somewhere. Yeah. I had never taken a IQ test. I took one at two o'clock in the morning and I wasn't even awake. I wanted to sit in. I said, I should probably take some alpha brain, take this bitch again and get fired up. But I didn't. I'm happy with my score.

Yeah. I mean, honestly, I just want to know, I wasn't really stupid. Yeah. Well, God. That's, okay, that's interesting. So, you know, a lot of people hang it out in the 85, the 115. I don't think the real issue with all this stuff, though, is emotional intelligence and social intelligence. And there's people that are very brilliant people that I know that suck at those other things and that's held them back in life. So are you smart? Are you really smart?

If you're emotional intelligence, suck so hard. Yeah. Yeah. Your ability to read social cues, your ability to form meaningful friendships, suck so hard that, you know, you're isolated and nobody likes to be around you, but you have a high IQ. So I'm supposed to think that's good. That seems dumb. I mean, it works for some people, I suppose. It doesn't, though. Well, that's a recipe for an unhappy life. And that's stupid. Yeah. Well, I mean, you never know.

You get somebody who's, you know, they're a brilliant scientist and they just have very little social life, maybe they're happy in the science lab. I don't know. That's true. But I agree. Empathy is, I mean, we try to work with our kids all the time on that, right? I mean, you want a well-rounded kid. Our job is to raise not average children, but you want them to be well-rounded. Yes. And empathy, being able to read social cues, read a room, that is super important.

My kids are all very kind and I love that. It makes me very, very happy. They're very kind. They're kind to people. They're kind to their friends. They're kind to people. They feel bad when someone's not doing well. They're kind. That means a lot. Yeah. I'm very happy they got that from us. That is. I think it's, they get that from you, do they get that from? Probably more from Mrs. Rung. I'm nice, though. And I work real hard at it, too, because I don't have instincts to be nice.

My instincts, I have to be very nice. My instincts are survival-the-fittest. It's very hard to, like, put that aside. It's just kind sometimes, but it always feels better when I do. It is, you know what? And that's how kids learn to do it, right? I mean, people always ask, you know, with parenting, the kids are watching from the time they're nuggets, right? And they absorb shit. And, you know, if you want your kid to be empathetic, you've got to demonstrate that.

You've got to demonstrate kindness. You've got to demonstrate consideration. Our boys, my daughter's great. My daughter is very good in our boys or our boys. And they're aggressive and competitive and all that. But I think ours probably follow the traditional sort of multi-kid path, right? So like, the oldest boy is empathetic, right? And kind and considerate. And the youngest boy is probably a savage. Youngest boy is like the fucking mayor of party. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah.

Because he's got to deal with the older brothers. He has to grow up quicker. Exactly. Yeah. And the middle boy, he's the better at things, too. Yeah, actually, you know what? He says, my wife says, who's the greatest person? I know she calls him the sleeper, right? Because he kind of comes in on the radar. You don't expect him to be great at something. And then he is, right? Because he's been watching and he's pissed off and he wants to be better than his brothers. Yeah. Right.

And then the middle boy is just like, he's just like, fuck you, get out of my way. You know, he's the basketball player. He's down. He's in his own. IMG. He's into his own thing. And he's a great kid. But he's just like, this is what I'm going to do. I don't know what you're doing or what you're doing, but here's me. He's going to focus. Yeah. That's because there's a lot of people around and realize, can't constrain other people being happy. Yeah. Because he wants to do it. Yeah. That's right.

So I mean, I think that's just not dynamic, right? It is. And you think about it and you think about, they all grow up and people talk about this all the time. So it's nothing new. But kids grow up in the same environment, right? And then they end up being so uniquely different in ways. So different. They're different out of the box. Yeah. And boy genetics plays a factor. My God plays a factor.

And you realize that when you see your kids grow up and you see traits that like, there is no fucking way. This is getting to you anyway other than genetics. There's no way. Yeah. Because I mean, at a certain point, yeah, they start to take some influence from their friends. Yeah. And they, oh, yeah. But by then, hopefully, you've kind of already set their, whatever, their moral compass, right? And they know what they're supposed to do. Maybe they stray off that path occasionally, right?

But for the most part, no, they, I think, yeah. You've got to, you've got to set the parameters. You got to set the course kids. A little, a little kids want to know what the hell's expected of them. I'll tell you one thing. Reports from the front lines of kids in high school today. That woke shit's out the window. That word retard comes flying at these kids' mouths. They're bringing that back strong. Yeah. They are bringing that back strong. I'll tell you that woke thing. It got into college.

And then the high school kids, the ones coming up now, they are rejecting it. I 100% agree with you. And I know that because our youngest, Mugsie, he's like 12 years old now. So he's in seventh grade. And he, it was in the complete blast zone of woke, right? And like the oldest one who's 16, he kind of had some of it. The middle one, again, didn't care. He was like, you know, fuck you. You don't play ball. So I'm not paying attention to you.

And but the youngest one was in the complete firing, you know, fire zone of this, this woke culture. And you'll never meet a more conservative sexist kid in your life. Because he's just like, I, he'll come back and he'll tell us some stories from his, his school, which is a great school, but it's, it's pretty woke. It's pretty liberal, right? And you got, you got kids walking around its furries. You got a lot of multi colored hair. You got all sorts of things going on there.

And, and he'll come back and tell us stories. And he just say, I just don't understand what the hell's happened. And so it's hard to sport. Yeah. That's what you get from a lot of people that work hard at sports, people that value hard work, people that value hard work tend to be more conservative and less inclined to indulge people on their mental illness. You know, oh, you're a cat. No, you're not. You have cat ears on. They don't even look like a cat. You don't even have a good costume on.

Like, you're not tricking people in the dark. Yeah. Okay. Shut the fuck up. You're not a cat. Yeah. You don't, yeah. No, you're just 12 and really confused and I get it. He came home one day and he said, he said some girl turned around dressed as a cat and kicked him, right? Because she thought he had pulled her tail and then apparently she hissed at him and walked away. And he was like, I didn't fucking pull her tail. Oh my God. I don't want anything to do with him. Yeah. So she hissed at him.

Yeah. Jesus Christ. Yeah. This is so indulgent. That's so crazy. Yeah. You know what's interesting is like Tucker Carlson has a very had a very good point when we talked about the difference between different dysphoria like body dysphoria for like anorexia versus gender dysphoria. And he said when a child has body dysphoria and they think they're fat, you don't tell them, oh yeah, you are fat. No, you help them. You see, no, you're not fat. This is just a mental disorder.

Yeah. But when someone says, I'm a boy, you say, oh, you are a boy. Yeah. You don't say, sweetie, your name is Dorothy. Yeah. Shall we go? This is crazy. Dorothy, why don't you come over Dorothy? Dorothy. Are people still naming the kid Dorothy? I don't think I think no. Bring it back. I think Dorothy Carol. Nobody names her kid's carol. It's a beautiful name. Those are beautiful names. Dot. That was the nickname for Dorothy was dot. I know that because I know a Dorothy and she goes by dot.

That's right. Yeah. People don't like what they're like. How bizarre. God. How bizarre. Yeah. It's a weird one. So, but you're right. It's it's the indulgence. It's and again, look, everybody, fine. Do what you want to do. I don't need to go along with it. I don't need to celebrate it. I don't need to. You know, and that's, but that's what's expected. It went past like maybe I'm a little bit different. I'm going to go through a phase in life.

Now it's like I'm going through a phase and you better fucking well accept it. Right. It's also there's celebrated. There's like a value, a social value to having anxiety. There's a social value to what you will call childhood trauma, you know, or social value to like everybody has PTSD from like, it could be from like, high school, it could be like from minor stuff, but it's it's looked at as, oh, we have to be, you know, we have to be considered of someone's past. Everybody's got trauma.

Everybody. Yeah. That's a part of life, but the answer is not to over indulge every single aspect of everyone's ideas so that you do let a kid wear a fucking tail and ears and run around the high school and be a freak because like, that's not good either. Yeah. Well, it's crazy. It's not healthy and it's confusing for those kids too, right? I mean, I honestly believe if you, if you address it properly, right, and you, and you deal with it, it's long term better health for that individual, right?

Which is what you want, right? I want everybody wants it. And, you know, but we've got, I don't know. If you want to go up, once you're a grown adult and you got your own job and you pay for your own apartment, you want to go to a furry convention. God bless you. God bless you. I just don't think you should be able to wear a fucking tail and school and hiss at people. That just seems, that seems silly. Yeah. It seems silly. Also, my friend's son goes to a school where you can't wear hats.

So you can't wear hats in class, but kids can wear like fucking duck ears or duck so I wear it. Like, don't they, how do they hear? They have, they don't stick out. Okay. I was just going with a stupid animal from some reason duck. But that's how you know I'm not invested in this idea. I think a duck with ears would be a good looking duck. You had fucking dog ears or cat ears. What a fucking thing you are. A raccoon stop. Our boy school. So we can't wear hats either. A boy school.

Yeah, they can wear hats, but they can wear these stupid fucking ears is my point. Yeah. You know what? It's like a headband, I guess. Or, you know, this time of year is a great time of year. And it's a great time of year because speaking of hats and everything is it. This time of year is is a crew cut, flat top season. So the youngest one, Mugsie, went ahead and the other day and got himself a buzz cut. It's nice. There is.

We used to go all my brothers and I, we knew it was summer was approaching when my dad would say, okay, there we go. And we had a home clipper kit, right? And there was something great about that flat top, that crew cut, right? And so anyway, he's got his crew cut going on. And I suspect he's the only one in this entire school that's got this. And it's a good look for him, right?

And it also, you know, it, I, again, I think there's, there's so much happening in the school in terms of the way kids are, what's the word among it for, coddled, right? That, you know, I feel proud about Mugsie because he, he comes walking into school and there's no mistake in like this kid is not, this kid is not angsty. He's not worried about anything, right? He's, he's got the crew cut going on.

Yeah. This, this is a very unique challenge for these kids to get through this bullshit and come out of the other end, no, understanding that no one's going to save you. You're responsible for yourself in life and you got to get after it. Yeah. You got to actually do something. If you want a successful happy life, you have to be engaged in some sort of a pursuit, something that you enjoy, whatever the fuck it is, find it, go for it. Hard work is important.

The world really does operate on a meritocracy except in corrupt situations. But it's also battlefield, right, for these kids to minefield. It's probably been a way to put it because so you've got, yes, you've got, you've got the kids, you want them to do all those things, right? Play sports, be involved in hobbies, activities, whatever it is, stay busy, focus on your grades, be balanced, be nice to people.

But they're walking through this minefield every day, there's a potential for them, right, to, to upset somebody who's looking to be upset and the, and I'm talking about 12, 13, 14, 15 year old kids, right, who are looking to be insulted, right? And very quickly use the system that's been put in place, right, which caters to them, right? And so it is, you know, and, and, you know, my boys, you know, I've run a foul of that system a couple of times for, you know, it's lunacy.

Maybe speaking their mind. Maybe not saying, calling someone of them, addressing someone as a plural. Yeah. One of my kids went with a they them, went to school with a they them. And this girl wore fucking makeup, she wore makeup and dresses, but she said she was non-binary and she would get upset if someone didn't call her a they or a them. How old at the time? 11, 12? Oh, God. 12? Yeah. 12 of us. Yeah. What the fuck, man?

Will you worry, will you worry about that sort of thing when you were 11 years old? I didn't even know it was a thing. Now, I don't think I realized it was a thing until I was 50. Yeah. I never heard a non-binary. I mean, I would imagine that there are people that are asexual. They're not interested in a track of physical affection. They're probably on the spectrum. God bless you. But is that what is that what non-binary means? No, but that's like asexual. Asexual. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

But when you say you're not a boy or a girl, okay, if you were a puppy and I wanted a boy puppy or a girl puppy, which one would you be? I know you're not a puppy. Yeah. This is the thing with the Supreme Court justice with Katangi Brown Jackson, who said she's not a biologist. They asked her, what is a woman? She said, I'm not a biologist. Right. But you're a woman. So how about take a shot at it? Yeah. Like, if I brought you a puppy, how do you know if it's a boy dog or a girl dog?

Can we use that same judgment for humans? Is that possible? Isn't it true in the majority of cases that a woman has ovaries and a vagina and they can have babies for the most part? Yeah. Yeah. Well, just try to watch people like just lose their minds, try asking somebody like that, you know, is there a difference between a man and a woman? To a Supreme Court justice 20 years ago.

Imagine if Ruth Bader Ginsburg 20 years ago, somebody asked her, should go shut the fuck up with these stupid questions. I'm here on the Goddamn Supreme Court to get shit done. Okay. I'm not here to hear. What did you ask me? What a woman is. You asked me what paint is. Now ask me what tires are. Now, how about a bunch of other shit? What's a pencil? Shut the fuck up. Yeah. What are you doing? It's university administrators.

It's anybody in a position of leadership who's afraid of getting bullied. Right. And so that nobody wants to state the obvious. We went through the whole pandemic with one side screaming, believe the science, right? And then now they're like, well, I know, you know, it depends on the context of whether a man and a woman are different. You're thinking, look, you can, again, do whatever you want to do.

And if you're a girl, but you identify as a boy, then you're a girl identifying as a boy and vice versa. That doesn't seem complicated to me. Also, if you want us to trust the science, you got to make the science trustworthy. You can't leave the science in the hand of corporations as standard profit if the science reflects one thing or the other. You can't do that because they do it. They've done it forever. They've been fined for it. You know they do it. You know it's standard practice.

You know that they run multiple tests and multiple studies and they'll throw out the ones that don't show any positive results. And they finagle the studies to show some kind of fagazzy positive thing and then they'll start prescribing it to people. They do it for money. You know they do it for money. Everybody knows they do it for money. So shut the fuck up about this science thing until you can sort the science out.

Until you know the science, unless you have a third party non-biased where there's not a revolving door between the government organization and the pharmaceutical drug companies which we know there is. And we know that they know there is. So we know that they know where the fuck and bread is buttered and they know how to get things through and then look, he do. He works from a dernna now. Look, he do. Oh my god. Look, he do. He'll access some of the client just hired them.

You know, I mean look, I'm not everybody should make money. I'm glad pharmaceutical drug companies exist. They make awesome stuff. But you got to be honest and you don't hit me with that trust, the science shit. If you haven't made the science trust worthy. Stop. Yeah, and it also can't be a moving line. Either you do or you don't. And it can't be based on where you fall politically. Which seems to be how it works. And so whenever it's, yeah, we trust some scientists.

Science, just not chromosome. Yeah, yeah. That's right. Yeah, it's very subjective. Very subjective. Yeah. I wanted to ask you this before I forget. When you were working for the agency, did you guys, I know that there is a program where they use special effects makeup to change someone's appearance. Have you ever seen that in person? Oh, yes. Yeah. How does it look? Yeah. Well, it gets better all the time. So that could go of concert. Like could I sneak into a concert with a rubber nose?

Yeah. Get me a nice blonde way. That's what we used to do. We hand out rubber noses and gougly eyes. Yeah. And then nobody would see us coming. Like Clark Kent. Yeah. No, we have a disguise unit at the agency. And I'm super proud of them. And I was the benefit of their expertise on numerous occasions. Because you might guess. I mean, I spent almost all my time with the agency overseas in operations. And there's some places where I don't blend. Right? And so I know.

So they blend you just like on TV America world, please? Remember? Yes. Bro, what a picture. What a crazed. One crazed. One crazed. One crazed. One crazed. Oh, good. Is that moving? Yeah, that's a greatest movie ever. Yeah. When they were Parker and Matt Stone are the fucking best. Oh my god. When they did the puppet sex. Matt Stone and Trey Parker. Which their names? Yeah. Yeah. The puppet sex scene when they thought, okay, a few minutes of this, it's making people uncomfortable.

Let's keep going with it. Well, you know the original. Far longer. Yeah. So she poops on his chest or he poops on her chest and she pees on him or he pees on her. That's one of the other guys. Look at this. This guy. Parker, she hugged. Parker, lah, Parker, lah. Parker, lah. Muamish, lah. Parker, lah. Muamish, lah. Duck, a duck. Muamish, lah. Oh shit. Come on, Gary. Act. Act. And we have the power. Parker, lah. Buk, Dirk, Dirk, Dirk, lah. Dirk, Dirk, Dirk, Muamish, lah.

Parker, Sharpa, Sharpa. A Buk, lah. Man, this is takedown. This takes me back. Oh. He's an actor, bro. God, it's so good. He saved them. He saved them being an actor. One of the greatest. Yeah. That really takes me back to the operational days, too. Such an amazing movie. Yeah. The disguise unit is fantastic. And. I was on a madness. Yeah. So this is fun to disguise it while I was at the pool. Yeah, she was there. She was, you know, senior officer there.

Did you ever, were you ever talking to someone? Yeah, I think this motherfucker is wearing her disguise. No, but I've talked to people wearing disguises. I've had the full overhead mask. Look how good that is with sunglasses on. With sunglasses on, that's crazy. I never did wear the, the monkey outfit. Yeah. We didn't do that one. But look how good that looks. Yeah. That's insane. The thing about this is that, because what they did was they went, they went to Hollywood.

And there's been this, this liaison for years, years and years between the agency and Hollywood. It comes to special effects when it comes to makeup. And again, and it's horses for courses. So sometimes you need to light the skies, right? And I'm not giving away any secrets. This is, this stuff is all out there. And. So, you know, you get, you get light the skies. It's for a brief, you know, cover for action. You know, there's not, you know, I can be engaged in this.

Sometimes we'll be a light disguise. You know, like a rubber nose. It could be, it could be like a wig. It could be, you know, a facial hair, a change of glasses. It could be just a change of hair color. In reality, if you're out on the street, I know I'll probably disappear down a rabbit home. People would be like, oh, this is fucking boring. But if you're out on the street and you're just, you're in a surveillance exercise, say, right? And you're covering a target.

And all you got to do is you're just talking about switching up your, your look a little bit. It could be a hat, right? It could be a coat. It could be a backpack, whatever you're doing. So it doesn't have to be much. And then you got the full other side of the spectrum, which could be a full overhead mask, right? Which is, that's a process, right? You get, I mean, it's, it's just like with Hollywood. I mean, there's no difference.

And the key is, when you're out on the street and you're in the skies, nobody is thinking that person's in disguise. Right? So it's dependent upon your bearing. I've seen people in disguise who don't pull it off well, right? Because they, they're worried like, I'm in disguise, people are thinking I'm in disguise. Nobody gives a shit. Everybody's worried about their own little bubble up there. So it's your, your body movements. It's your body language. Right. It's your, it's your bearing.

How do you, how do you comport yourself? How do you, how do you carry yourself, or your confident in it? And also to understand that the vast majority of people out there, no matter where you are, right? A fourth world country, US, wherever, they're not thinking about it, right? Right. And I've had extended conversations with people in disguise where, you know, they don't, they don't give a fuck. They don't know.

And it's, it is remarkable how good they are at, at this, but that, that unit is fantastic. Did they give you like a rubber muscle suit ever? No, I never got a fat suit. A lot of a muscle suit. But I know one of the guys I worked with, he got a fat suit. Really? Yeah, yeah. And he's just, wait, because that's, that's also one of those things where, you know, you, you, you're looking to, right? I mean, you're just looking to alter your profile. And weight is a big part of it.

And what is the fat suit until? Is it like a skin one where it looks real? Well, no, mostly it's, it's under your clothes, right? And so it's like, it's padding basically. But it's quick. You have to be able to do this quickly. Look, I've been on the streets of, you know, capital cities around the world. I'm on a motorcycle and, you know, I've got, I've got a helmet on. That's a pretty good disguise.

But you got to get off that motorcycle at some point and walk the streets or go somewhere or whatever. And so you've got to be able to do these things quickly, right? Right. Or you're, so again, not, not giving away any sources or methods, but I will say the disguise unit and, and, Mrs. Mendez there, who they just showed briefly. She ran that operations with great person and a great, a great part of the agency. And it is, but it is acting. There's no difference.

So this was going to get to, did they teach you how to walk casual? They teach you what to see in someone that's tense? Well, yeah. I mean, you spend a lot of time, yeah, you do. That's a good way to put it, I guess. You spend a lot of time observing people, right? And understanding, and part of that is you're trying to get a sense of, if you're trying to get a sense with a line, you're watching for certain things.

You're watching for their, their body movement and the way they're behaving and the things that they're saying. A lot of times they're just, they're, they're, they're not consistent with what they're saying. So that's not necessarily, you know, watching their movements, but, a lot of times if you're trying to get on side with somebody, right? So if I'm, if I'm trying to develop a relationship with the deputy foreign minister of whatever from some country, right?

Because they've got inside information on their, a new program, then I'll spend a lot of time thinking about and watching and observing that person. And eventually I'm mirroring that person's activities, right? So, you know, if you're sitting across from somebody and, and they're, they're lean on the desk, right? And they, they start talking to you, they move in a little bit closer. Well, I'm going to do the same thing. I'm going to come in.

They don't know it. They don't understand it, but it, it makes them more comfortable, right? So if you start mirroring their, their actions, their activities, that's just one of those things. It's a, it's a, it's a small part of it, but it's what it is.

My buddy told me that when you see people like leaning against a wall, that we see people in foreign countries leaning against a wall, nine times out of ten to the American, like with leaning like one shoulder against a wall, he said it's a very American thing to do, like lean against doorways with one shoulder, or leaning against a wall with one shoulder. Yeah, I wouldn't, I wouldn't make a lot of book on that.

I mean, because, you know, it, it's a Western thing, more than just an American thing. I've seen, you know, it's been a long time in Europe and, you know, I'm Italian, so leaning against the wall. You know, standards are leaning against the wall, but it is a Western thing. So, you know, if you're walking the streets of a lot of ostok, or wherever, then you have to be aware of it. Also, little things like how you eat, how do you hold your fork in life?

I mean, it could be, it could be anything that could, you know, show out as a certain cultural handle. What is the way that different people hold their fork? Well, you know, if you hold your, like if you hold your knife here and you hold your fork here, right, and you just keep eating with this hand, you don't switch the fork over to your dominant hand, right? That's an interesting take, and I mean, like if you're over in the UK, you see it all the time, right?

People just kind of eatin' like this, right? It's pushing, pushing their food onto their fork. There's 15 things that stand out. Americans are known for leaning on things while standing still. Ah-ha! There's the habit that CIA even trains. Ah-ha! If CIA trains Americans to unlearn when training to be a spy, don't worry, we can still stand out on our own two feet. Americans are always eating on the go.

One person living in Europe was asked if they were American because they were eating a bagel while walking. Hey, we got a fuel up for all that small talk. Americans are known for being loud and friendly and our accents are dead giveaway. Well, yes, that don't, okay. Americans love small talk and are super friendly, okay? Americans are known for wanting ice in their water. A habit that might seem as strange in countries where ice is not commonly consumed.

Americans often greet people with, hey, how are you? The greeting maybe seen as too friendly or even mocking in some cultures. Americans are known for leaving tips. Are they? Okay, yeah. Yeah, that's true. Americans have a reputation for being confident. Okay. Even if you're walking in the wrong direction. Americans are known for enjoying sweet treats for breakfast to habit that may be seen as strange and other cultures were breakfasts as typically a savory meal.

Americans are often seen as being obsessed with their appearance and constantly checking their appearance in mirrors. It's because we're the shit. Americans are known for wearing tactical sunglasses. As I said, let me see as unusual in other countries. Okay. Americans are known for saying y'all. Okay. Americans are known for the love of baseball caps. Yeah. Especially when worn backwards.

Americans are in love for the love of saying the US or America when asked if they're from even though these terms refer to the entire country. Americans are known for their friendly grins who are making eye-tongued. Yeah. Yeah. It's supposed to be basically just the leaning against the wall thing that seems odd. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's interesting. But I've seen a lot of leaners in my time. Yeah. So, but yeah. Those are all those things. It's good to be aware of.

But you were saying with the fork and knife thing that the Europeans keep a fork in one hand and knife for the other, and they don't switch hands. Yeah. What people switch hands? I've seen that a lot here in the States where people like they'll eat, you'll cut, you'll put down, you'll eat. And maybe it's just because I hang around with a lot of posh people. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. They'll be. They'll sound like that's a bitch name. I'm not saying that. You're left hand.

It sucks so hard that you have to swap out. Swap out. Yeah. You're scared of the fork being in your left hand. I think it's considered very etiquette. Also, you're a bitch for not being able to cut your food with your left hand, too. I know. Both those things, you're making your bitch. It's just a lot easier if you're also pushing around right there. But then again, you can do it. If you want to eat quick, you got a two-hand thing.

So, John Smagasini here that says that's an American style, apparently, to hold the fork in your dominant hand. And switch. So. Yeah. That's the bitches of America. So, let's say for a steak, for instance. Oh, look, there's even pictures. Let's picture to explain this to us. How you cut to a zigzag style or something. So, fork goes back and forth. Now, let's take a closer look at the details. This is ridiculous. People are still looking at it. Actually, I got holding it like a dagger.

It looks like my boy's eating. I bet that dude's very boring in real life. Or a serial killer. Yeah. Or an etiquette teacher. Yeah. Neither one. So, but the disguising is fascinating. And I've been, like I said, I mean, sometimes it can be very simple. You slap on, I know it sounds silly, but you slap on a fake mustache. But you're just changing your profile quickly.

Right. And so it doesn't, I will say there were times when you'd get a disguise kit and it would have a baseball cap in it and go, I don't think so. I think it's where overseas. Probably not a baseball cap. Yeah. So, who's putting together these disguise kits for you? It's the, I mean, the outfit. Again, it's the disguise unit. And the disguise unit isn't aware of cultural differences? Oh, no, they are. But I'm just saying in the old days, because I'm fairly old.

But in the old days, they throw in a ball cap and you think, right, okay, well, you give it up here, kids. Yeah. So, but yeah, hey, what do I know? So, is there any video of people wearing these disguises where we could see what they look like? I found another video I was just trying to, I didn't want to come. I want to see what it looks like. Yeah. We'll see how, because I saw one on Instagram, but I don't know if it's real or wired.

Same lady, I think here she transforms probably like the reporter. Yeah, just imagine, again, and what are you doing? You're, so here's a lady, right? The giver of mustache, the giver of some wacky hair. Wow. That's incredible. I don't know if she tricked me. No. No, what's going on? That one's not the best one. Yes, not the best, but that's it. And then that's also then they brought up the fork and knife in the video. That's interesting. Boy, they love that fork and knife thing.

Holding a cigarette comes up in the video. And now you hold the cigarette? Yeah, it's very quick here. They just show like the way you either between the fingers forward like that. Is that American? Pinching it. And who pinches it? I don't know. I've seen people peer pinch it, so I don't know. Yeah. And then it shows a guy doing a very quick thing like this. People that pinch it here, they're probably like European music.

So it goes from a suit to just like taking it off, putting on a hat, and now he's in disguise. Seeing it can be that simple, right? Right. And particularly if you're in surveillance, or you know, or if you're doing, you know, counter surveillance, you got to be aware of these things. Did you see that I had a guest on the podcast that came with my friend Josh Dubin who works with Criminal Reform and getting innocent people out of jail?

So we had this guest that came on, and then after he was on the show, one up killing somebody, cut some dudes head off, and... Yes. Yes. Yes. And the unfortunate surveillance footage where he tried to wear a blonde wig and walk around. Yeah. But he didn't realize... I think he didn't realize like how good modern surveillance cameras are. Yeah. It was like crystal clear that this dude was wearing a fucking wig. God. Yeah. That was... Yeah. It's an all about story. Crazy story.

I was trying to find that to my daughter last night. Okay. This is what happened. God. Yeah. That's interesting. I know that video that you just showed, because I... There's been some talk about the protests on campus, right? And the fact that all these... All these outside agitators activists, and then the students, the actual students, the ones that are actually affiliated with university, most of them wearing masks, right? Right. And, you know, part of it is... I don't know why it's...

They have mentally ill. Yeah, they're mentally ill. I photograph people every time I see them. I photograph one today. Yeah. So I saw somebody walking outside with a mask on. The dumb kind, too. The surgical, blue, stupid one. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Doesn't do a goddamn thing. But this was, I think, was a solidarity thing. They're all wearing masks. And part of it was also, I think, they were thinking they couldn't be identified. Yeah. And then there's a lot of talk about retinal scanning, right?

So how much of the face do you need in order to identify people? Right? And it's not much. Right. Retinal scanning. It's not 100% accurate. So there's other things you have to do. So would you be able to retinal scan that lady with that crazy outfit on? Yeah. She's retinal scanner and then no, that shit would work. The mustache. Which is, which is, and that's, yeah, that's a great point. I blew on your face for nothing. And that shit is tough to take off, too. It's not good. So, yeah.

And that's, it's a really good point because now it's made the life of somebody who's working in operations a lot tougher, right? Because of the ability of, and it's got to be a country where you're operating where they've got the resources and the technology. It makes it a shit on tougher to get away with things, right? And as does the ability for communications intercepts and tracking of phones and all the other things. So, you know, while, you know, it's always the same story, right?

Technology's got an upside and the downside. But the face recognition, the retinal scanning. It's creating all sorts of problems from an operational perspective overseas. And here, of course, the problem is, you know, people are talking about civil liberties and, you know, invasion of privacy. And, you know, so you've got some students out there and they're covered. And next thing, you know, they're identified, right? Now they're suspended. And, you know, fine. You know, you've been...

Not only did that. Some of them aren't getting to graduate. There's one girl I was watching this video where they just told her she couldn't graduate because she got arrested. Well, you know what? What do they say? You play stupid games? Yeah, you win stupid prizes. Yeah, so... They all think they're doing something great. They think they're going to fix it. It's, you know, a lot of misplaced energy with tents. With tents. Yeah, with matching tents. And that's the part.

Look, again, you know, hey, God bless the actual students who are out there feeling like they're being a part of something. I get that. They're young people. Most of them are gornless, right? They're just saying whatever, right? This is, you know, this is their moment to shine. So they're excited. And they know, you know, most of them couldn't find Gaza on a map of Gaza. So I think that, you know, that's one side of it, right? And I can't, you know, whatever.

But it's the coordination of it all by the various outside groups and the activists and the funding of it, right? And the potential for that funding and the coordination to tie back to groups like Hamas or Hezbollah, which basically means you're tying back to the Iranian regime, right? Because that's the only reason those groups exist. But nobody seems curious about that because a lot of the media wanted to portray this as just like kids. Oh, look at this.

This is their moment to shine as student activists. And isn't it wonderful? And it's their Vietnam protests and bullshit. Some of it, okay, fine. So it's layered, right? So some of that's true. You got those kids that are just doing that. But there's the incuriosity of the media to say, well, what the hell's behind this, right? And what groups is it? You know, students for justice in Palestine. Is it, you know, US campaign for Palestinian rights, Sami Dune, right?

Which has connections back to Hamas. There's the education for whatever, just peace in the Middle East. There's groups that have been actively engaging in this. And that's why you get the coordination of all of this, right? But nobody asks, okay, what's behind it? Just students acting. No, it's not. It's a coordinated effort. And then you look at those groups who are always active in this realm, right?

And always looking to, you know, have organizations disinvest from Israel or to, you know, promote causes that are anti-Israeli, right? And then you say, okay, well, who's funding it, right? So you look at these groups and you say, okay, where's the money coming from? And the money's always coming from the same places, right? The Tide Center, right, which is part of the Tide's network, which gets significant funding. No surprise. From Sorosha's, the Tide Center, right?

And then you say, okay, well, who's funding it, right? So you look at these groups and you say, okay, where's the money coming from? No surprise. From Sorosha's Open Society Foundation. You get Westchester people's, whatever, action coalition. So you get these groups and then you get the legal support. So all these people, the activists who are getting arrested, they can turn to Palestine legal, which provides legal support to the activists and the NGOs that are engaged in all this.

Again, you get, they're getting their money from charities. A lot of times the charities don't know they're putting money into these groups, right? It goes into the Rockefeller Brothers Fund, right? And the Rockefeller Brothers Fund provides money to these NGOs, like Justice for Palestine or whatever. And then, and Rockefeller Brothers gets funding from Sorosha Open Society Foundation. That guy, that guy. That guy. That guy. That guy.

Right, well, yeah, and now his kid is even more of an activist than George is, right? Of course. His kid is. Yeah. Kid inherited it. Kid inherited it. Yeah, he did it, right? Make up for the fact that he inherited it by being extra woke. Yeah, and he is. And extra guilty. Oh, God. For having all those billions, you should feel guilty, you little fuck. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. How can you live with yourself? You're so rich.

Well, you're talking about those a very important point that this is not organic. And that this is, this is what I was going to get to earlier when I was talking about social media. How much do you think foreign governments have an influence on certain trends? And certain things that people are talking and promoting and pushing and being a part of on social media? I think it's a big factor. I think it's a big factor with a lot of things.

And I think it's a big factor with all this, the most insane woke shit. I think they push it as far as they can so that the stuff that's not as insane, that wasn't sane just a couple of years ago, seems less insane now. It seems more palatable. And then they just keep moving the goalpost. Yeah. I think you can do that through social media with kids. You can kind of engineer what kids accept. Oh, 100%. And the answer is, how much do they do? They do a tremendous amount.

Look, the Iranian regime, nobody's happier with these protests on campuses than the Iranian regime. And they've even come out. The foreign minister, Chameleon himself, the Ayatollah, came out on his official ex-page. Yeah, who knew? And praises the protesters. And they talk about the oppression and the violent tactics of the police, right? And suppressing protests, which is crazy. When you think about what the Iranian regime has done to anybody who dares protest inside Iran.

Yeah, they executed a world champion wrestler over that. Yeah, they're constantly, right? And they're trampling of all rights, not just women's rights, everybody's rights. So it's bullshit, but people, you know, I don't know, people buy it. They don't have a peripheral understanding of their workings. Yeah. So the inner workings of all this stuff. But then the Russians and the Chinese, they're all taking advantage of this as well.

Right? Chinese bots have been out there trolling around and promoting the chaos. Right? If you were to switch on television, right? And in Moscow or in Tehran or in Beijing, you'll get a lot of coverage of these campus protests. Right? This is ideal for them. It's exactly what they want. And it feeds into their larger narrative of trying to discredit democracy and say what a losing system it is. Capitalism. And so, you know, but again, people are incurious. They're busy.

They're trying to just do their lives. Whatever. They're not taking the time to sit and think, where am I getting my information from? What's the validity of this information? And if they don't do that, you know, then to your earlier point, yeah, we're fucked. Because it comes down to individual responsibility. You got to focus on where your information is coming from.

And, you know, right now, you know, you could argue, I mean, that whether it's the face swapping techniques, whether it's AI, that can mimic, and whether it's for criminal purposes or whether it's for state-sponsored efforts to try to put the knife in into the American system or the West, you know, we are, it's democratized misinformation, right?

It's made it so that everybody can engage in it, not just state sponsors, but everybody because all those apps are out there, all the abilities out there, and you've got an incurious public for the most part that doesn't take the time. And an unformed public. Most of them are not even aware that there's foreign elements that have an influence on our culture. Yeah, which is shocking, if you think about it.

It's shocking, but so few people are aware of anything other than what's going on their own life and what's going on at work. Well, life is messy and it's tough, and you're trying to raise kids, and you know, you're trying to put food on the table. You don't have time. And I talked to some of my friends about this stuff, and their eyes glaze over. Yeah. They don't even want to know. I'm busy, bro.

Yeah, but you know what it does. I mean, look at this state of, look at dysfunctional we are right now, right? I mean, this is remarkable. You know, times. And again, everybody wants to think it's always the worst time, right? It's not the worst time. We've had worse times. Civil war, I think, was pretty bad. You know, so we've had more dysfunction, I suppose, at times. But the technology speeds it along, right? And we just have more people. So the potential for more of a shit show is there.

But that is ultimately, when people always talk about, well, how do you, how do you, you can't, you can't just use detection. You can't be on the defensive all the time, trying to identify, okay, that's fake, that's fake, that's fake, right? You've got to rely on people, right, to say, you know what, I'm not going to buy everything I read, right? I'm going to pay attention, and I'm going to think about it a little bit, and I'm going to chill the fuck out.

But it's not, it's not in human nature, apparently, right now. So yeah, we've got a problem. And those nations, particularly Iran, China, and Russia, are having a field day right now, right? This is, we are making it very easy for them, and think about it, we got the fucking election coming up in November. Yeah. So think about what that means in terms of disinformation, and it's, yeah, it's remarkable. We live in a very interesting time. I think we're going to be fine.

It's a very resilient environment, I suppose. So I try to be positive. But it's problem. Yeah. Yeah. Well, let me ask you this, from a perspective of someone kind of understands all these different influences, and all the things that are happening in these universities, what can be done to sort of, like, unwind some of this fuckery?

If anything, at this point, I mean, are we just going to operate from here on out with this understanding that our kids getting doctrednated to this preposterous, ridiculous way of thinking, whether it's taught these Marxist, Leninist ideas, as if they make any fucking sense,

and that they've ever worked anywhere, and if they don't always lead to totalitarian, authoritative governments that take over and enforce all these socialist policies, which is a fucking nightmare that happens in every single regime when they go socialism. Yeah. So what can be done to sort of, like, unwind some of this bullshit in colleges and balance it out a little bit, like, there's nothing wrong with having ridiculous ideas.

As long as those ridiculous ideas can be challenged, but if you're the only one that gets to talk, and you just indoctrinate these kids, and no one comes along and says, hey, you've never even functioned in the fucking real world, like, this shit that you're teaching these kids, unless they go into academia, they're fucked, or you're going to ruin corporations with this ideology, because it just, it doesn't jive with capitalism. It doesn't jive with, and oh, yeah, we got to tear capitalism down.

Okay, well then what? You fucking idiots. Then no one has any incentive to get anything done. Well, that's great for you, because you've never done anything. Yeah. So you think all these people that did things, even if you don't agree with them, even if it's Bill Gates, he still built that fucking company. Right. That's his. He did it. Do you want to be that guy? Then go do what he did. If you don't like what he did, then you can talk about it.

You can protest about the idea that you should, everyone should have to give all their money away, and there should be no billionaires, and there should be no capitalism, and all the money goes into, and then who's in charge? And who gets to tell you what you can do and not do? Who gets to tell you you can't have your money anymore? Who gets to take your house away, because it's too big? Shut the fuck up. Right.

This is like so short-sighted and so stupid that it's so hard for me to believe that it's being taught universities. Right. Or the idea now that what they're saying is like, you got a big house, you got a couple extra rooms, you know what you should do. Yeah, taking these fucking migrants. Taking some migrants. Taking some migrants. Yeah, that we haven't bothered to vet. Yeah, the guy with the 13 tattooed on his forehead, bring him in. Yeah. Yeah. He's fine.

He's a nice guy. He's trying to clean his life up. That's why he walked here. Yeah. And the board is fine. Don't worry about it. It's all good. It's fine. It's only like 20% Chinese nationals that are of military age. No, that's the staggering number. The staggering number of Chinese have come across the border in the past six months. It's why. Yeah. It is fascinating, because you think what accounts for that increase? They want to learn MMA. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

A lot of even the Chinese champions that come over here to train. Really? Yeah. So maybe that accounts for what, 20,000 of the, 26,000 of them. Yeah. 30, 30, 30 of those guys are future MMA stars. Future UFC stars. But I mean, you look at the universities and think, yeah, university is supposed to be a place where you exchange ideas. So that's great. You want to talk about it. You want to have classes in, in, in Marxism or whatever. You want to talk, that's great. But you, you're right.

You need to have that discourse yet. You need to be, you know, I, again, I keep it very back to the examples of the, you know, real world and, and from my own experience. My, you know, my daughter went to undergrad and grad school. And she kept her mouth shut for most of that time. Right. Six years, because she always knew what she said. There was no upside to her arguing in class. Right. You know, and she saw a centrist, right? She's, and that, but that's not popular either.

No. You can't be a centrist on campus. No. No. Because you can't say there's good ideas on both sides. Oh. So I know. She just said. Fuck that there. Not terrible. So, so yeah. So she, she went through school. And that's, that's a terrible thought. Yeah. Right. It's particularly when you're paying for it. But she's, she worked out fine. She's great. But she, and she understood a joke, right? She got the joke. But it shouldn't be there. Right. You shouldn't have to decipher that for four years.

You shouldn't have to go, oh, we put this through the bullshit filter. Right. Okay. Let me just get through this class and figure out what's applicable and what I need for my degree. Yeah. But unless, you know, I do think there's, there's some bounce back on, on the corporate side, with DEI, for example. Right. I think there are a number of companies out there, just as with the sort of the climate, you know, change.

You know, I watched, I watched oil companies, like do this complete left turn saying we're going to, you know, we're going to make a, over half of our revenues from green energy in the future, near future. Like a couple of years from now, you think like it's not going to happen. But they have to play that game for a while. And then they come back and go, it's not going to happen. So you know what we're doing, we're investing in all of this shit, including fossil fuels.

So I think whether it's that or whether it's the, kind of the pushback on DEI from corporations that are saying, you know, maybe it is a grift, right. Maybe you've got all these DEI grifters out there, and they got it. It's a cottage industry. They can make a lot of money off of this bullshit. They've got a lot of government grants and all this thing. So, but I think there's some pushback universities, I think, are a tougher issue. Yeah.

Right. I don't think unless, unless parents and kids just say, I'm not going to that bullshit. I mean, look, have you seen some of these kids at these supposedly elite universities talk? How the fuck did they get into these universities? Because they most have passed at the application process. Some kids are just really bad at talking. They're good at school. I think that's what it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Could be.

Well, I think, you know, you basically have to just memorize what they're teaching you. That's, that doesn't require a lot of critical thinking. Yeah. And then when you have to think on your own and say, what does from the river to the sea mean? Yeah. What river are we talking? What does that mean? Yeah. What's sea are we talking about? And what does that mean? Yeah. What happens to the Jews that live there? Or do they go? They go back to Germany? Yeah. Like what are you saying?

That's an interesting phrase. I will say that, you know, you talk about Khmassin and the Israeli conflict now. And it's, I mean, there's a minefield here. Actually, one of my, one of my managing directors for, for my company, Portman Square Group, for all your information and security needs. Thank you. One of the managing directors said, knew that I was, I was going to sit back down with you. And they said, look, I know you're probably going to want to talk about Khmass.

Is there any way you can do it, right, without pissing off people? And that's cute. Yeah. I know. That's what I thought. Right. So you want me to talk about the Israeli, you know, Palestinian issue without upsetting somebody. Yeah. I don't think, and she's a brilliant person, but I don't think that's going to happen. But I will say it is, it's obviously, it's complex, but it's complex in part because it's not absolute. Right. And everybody talks in absolutes when it comes to this, right? Mm-hmm.

It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, Khmass is, and it's a Palestinian, Khmass is a terrorist organization. So fuck them. But it's, it'd be a Palestinian problem or it's the Israeli problem. You know what? If you look at their history, right? There's problems on both sides, right? And no, and, and yet we talk about it like it's black and white. And one of the other, right? And you're never going to, this problem's never probably going to get solved in our lifetimes anyway.

But it is, it is disturbing when you hear some of the kids, the actual students, I mean, try to explain what this is, right? And what this problem is and, and talk to me about the river to the sea, which again, you can say that phrase, you know, in, in, in, in 10 different circumstances, it's going to mean 10 different things to 10 different people, right? Mm-hmm. And that's legitimate. You have to understand that that's, okay, I get it.

The Israelis view that as like you're, you're talking for a destruction, genocide of, of Israelis, right? Because that's a destruction of a group, right? Not, not a war crime or something, not crime against humanity. Genocide is, your intent is to destroy the group, right? And so they, they'll see that. Palestinians, some Palestinians, not Khamas, some of them, as in their charter, they know what river to the sea means, right?

It's, it's, you know, it's taking over that entire territory and, you know, fuck Israelis. But Palestinians can say it and it means something else. It's a yearning for, whatever, freedom for a homeland for it. So there are variances in it. But that never gets discussed sometimes because people are just screaming at each other like every other fucking subject out there. Right. That, that, that is the issue, right?

Yeah. And, and then, of course, when you are on a college campus and all this is being encouraged by these groups that are funded. Yes. And then you seem like if you want to be a good person, you have to be a part of this group. You have to go there and be a part of this protest. And we see a lot of that. Yeah. Yeah. But they're just there because they're, they think they're supposed to be a good person to be there. And they want to make all their friends think they're a good person. Right.

They're carrying around signs and yelling out these things. Got the kefyan and they're like, hey, look at me. I'm in the encampment. I don't know what the fuck I'm doing here. But, you know, it is a fascinating time if they allowed debates. Yeah. Because if you could see a pro-Israeli and a pro-Palestinian debate, like a real legitimate honest intellectual debate and discussing all the various issues, like from the beginning of the formation of Israel to back in the history of the land.

And then what's going on today, all the treaties, all the different things that have happened, all the different peace talks. That would be a fascinating opportunity for people to hear both sides of this conflict and try to get a better understanding of it instead of just running out there with signs and camping on the lawn. It's a deep, like, universal, by the way, in these places of higher education are supposed to be where these difficult conversations get sorted out. Exactly.

Because you're supposed to have the smartest minds. And to bring in the smartest minds from either side, there's brilliant people that are pro-Israeli and brilliant people that are pro-Palestinian, they're brilliant. And if you can get them together and have them sort out your details, all the people in the audience can get a better, more informed understanding of how complex this conflict is. And that is supposed to be what universities are for. That's what it should be.

It should be a place where people can sit down and learn something about something very difficult, which is international conflict. These crazy moments in history where we get entwined with military conflicts that are happening all over the world, and it's nowhere near you. And it's complicated shit, man. And to just run out there with a sign because these fuckers are organizing this on campus, it messes everything up.

It messes up everybody and to have only one side's perspective heard, messes up everybody, the whole thing's a mess, man. Well, I think that the students, for the most part, again, the actual students who have an affiliation with the universities. Look, the pro-Hamas groups, the pro-Palestinian activists, they tend to view the students, I believe, as essentially useful idiots, window dressing.

And it gives it sort of a veneer of, as you'd point out before, sort of this organic grassroots movement that's sweeping the nation. When in fact there's this underlying infrastructure that's always out there trying to take advantage of opportunities like this in the chaos. And then, aside from that, then you've got this other 30,000-foot problem where you've got the Iranian regime and others who are promoting this and pushing for it. Look, you know, Hezbollah, Hamas, they've got a lot of money.

They have, again, not to dispute out of rabbit hole, but the leaders of Hamas are extremely wealthy. You know, Ishmael Hañye and Mardezouk and Masha'al and the other cats, they have billions of dollars. Because for years, people say, wow, that'd be possible. For years and years now, they have been receiving a great deal of money, conservative estimates from Iranian regime, Hamas gets maybe a quarter billion a year. Cutter, it appears, gives them even more than that.

There have been years when they've given about $400 million to Hamas for a variety of reasons, right? And part of that money coming from Cutter is by agreement with Israel, right? Because part of it is over the years the idea that you're buying quiet, buying peace, right? And so, yes. And so there was a process in place to try to track that money that came in, just same with the Palestinian Authority from over in the West Bank.

But that's a lot of money, right? Not to mention even the money going to unwrap. And this is the same situation with Ukraine, too, right? We don't really know where it all goes. And some of it definitely goes into pockets. Yeah, absolutely. There's a guy, did you see that guy? I forget what his position is in Ukraine, but he's driving around in a Rolls Royce. This fucking $600,000, he's driving around in a house. He's driving around a house.

He's got a fucking Rolls Royce. And he's got the only Rolls Royce in Ukraine. This one, whatever it is, is it a specter? Is that what it is? Is it a phantom? Maybe it's a phantom. Well, you got, I mean, it's a fucking doughnut car. And that's been, isn't it? Isn't it crazy? It's like the scene in Goodfellas where the guy has the Cadillac. What the fuck are you doing? Did I tell you? Did I tell you?

Yeah, what a great scene. God. Yeah, it's, you got a video that dude driving around in his Rolls Royce? Before I, before I, before too far was it in that car? I don't know. That's Arba saying this is false claim, but this is a real recent one. It's driving around. But it might be fake too. That might be fake too. It all might be fake. Well, you, Ukraine politician, Ukraine politician Rolls Royce, write that, write in Google politician. Ukraine Rolls Royce, politician.

Because this, videos, good videos. Oh, I was, I was, news fake BBC News clip. Ukraine's XR. It's from a month ago. Yeah. XR, I'm cheap, paid to leave Ukraine. No, that's on it. That's a different clip. But this is, but this is a good example, right? I mean, you're, you really got a dig. Ukraine protesters discovered luxury cars. Legially belonging to. Was it in Sun? Oh, that's 10 years ago. Oh, okay. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You look a bit, yeah. Listen, yeah. 2014 when the fucking coup happened.

Well, Ukraine has, has always had browser corruption. Always had corruption. Yeah. Yeah. But I forget, forget what this guy's position was, but he was driving around. It's not Russell Brand. It's up guys. I had no idea Russell Brand was Ukrainian. Is this it? Rolls Roy Spectre. That's it. 600,000 Ukraine parts. You can't even pay with us. You're looking as fucking car. Look at that car. Sweet. Look at that car. That's it. That's the video. Bro, that's a house. That guy's driving around a house.

God damn it. Is he driving in himself? I wonder. Of course he is. That's a bold move right there. Of course he is. That's a beautiful car. You know, the fucking drive that car. You stole that money. Hard work. Well, and that's, again, yeah, when you talk about, like, we're talking about money that goes to, um, to the Palestinian cause and gets filtered through Hamas. And that's, they better know about a car of off billions of dollars for themselves.

They're living big lives and, and cutter and turkey. But, uh, part of the problem with Ukraine has been, you know, in terms of, well, they've got, they've got big issues, right? One of them has been explaining why it's important to the American people, right? The, the, the administration hasn't really accomplished that, uh, yet, right? Right. And trying to say, why are we doing this? Right? Yeah, they should have been. Did you see the waves of flags in Congress?

Yeah. Well, the wave, the Ukrainian flags. I don't know what you're saying. Yeah. Well, no one explained it. Explained it. Here we go. Yeah, but you remember the very beginning, everybody had a Ukrainian flag on there. Right. But they're housing. To see it in Congress and passing that aid bill. Oh, yeah. Who handed those out? Yeah. Yeah. Where'd you get those? Well, exactly. Do you guys get those from home? Yeah. Who's telling you to wave those? Got them from Amazon.

This whole thing seems coordinated. You want to tell me about how this happened? Plus also, where's the money go? That's the other big issue is the transparency and how are we spending this money? How are we spending your money? The taxpayer's money. And look, I fall down on the side of, uh, I don't want to see Putin win. And he will win. We, you know, without significant support that gets to the point where he feels so much pain, he actually negotiates a settlement, right?

We're not going to get to a victory in this war. That's bullshit. The idea that Ukraine is going to win the war and claim all their territory. Bullshit. It's not going to happen. You think they're going to reclaim Crimea or Putin's going to give that up, right? He'll probably go to tactical nuclear weapons on the battlefield before he does that. And so you've got, you've got to get, but you've got to, you got to hurt him enough so that he says, oh, fuck it.

Okay. Because if he's hurt enough, that means at home he's facing some descent, right? And that's the big thing for him. He doesn't want, you know, he just wants to hold on to power. He wants to hear two versions of what's going on. I hear the war has already been won by Russia and Ukraine is down to like a minimum amount of soldiers. They've lost half a million people, rough estimates, like no one really knows what the real estimates are.

And then I've heard other stories where Ukraine is actually doing much better than people think and Russia has hemorrhaged people because they're essentially just sending people in the front line. They send prisoners, they're, and they're just using bodies to win this. And that, well, both sides are, or actor it. Both sides are true, right? So yeah, Ukraine has been hurting. They have a, what, Russia's got a three to one manpower advantage in terms of population, right?

What they can, what they can do to recruit and put more people on the battlefield. And Russia has a, no problem with sort of a meat grinder strategy, right? Just throw bodies at it, right? And the stats on fatalities, on casualties on both sides are completely bullshit. There's no transparency really, and it's kind of understandable why. You don't want to tell the other side how many soldiers you've lost or injured.

Zelensky came out a while back and said, you know, we've suffered 31,000 fatalities on the battlefield. It's higher than that. And it's higher on the Russian side, right? Because of their strategy and the way they just, you know, Putin doesn't really care. So he throws bodies at it. The Russians are making headway on the east, right? And they are making an effort to push through those frontline defenses that Ukraine has up on the eastern side of Ukraine.

And, you know, the lack of armaments, the lack of munitions, while Congress and the U.S. couldn't figure out what they wanted to do, that was a decided problem for Ukraine, right? If that continued, then yeah, Russia will win. They will push through and they will eventually end up in Kiev. And look, Putin's already engaged in shenanigans in Moldova, in Georgia, right? He's, they're working very hard behind the scenes in Georgia, right? To split Georgia away from the EU, right?

And that's because they're worried that Georgia could eventually, you know, be part of the European Union and they don't want that. And so they're engaged in all sorts of activity there off the radar, which they do very well, right? And this information and political influence campaigns instilling personnel that are, that are, there's a party there in Georgia, the Georgia Dream Party or something like that's pro-Cremlin. And they're pushing very hard on a variety of fronts, right?

They're pushing a bill that's sort of like a foreign agent bill, which is it part of, it's a Russian tactic, right? To basically, you know, a single out anybody who's got foreign influence or foreign involvement. And that could be NGOs, it could be media, independent media. And the Russians have used that foreign agent bill very successfully. So, but, but my point is that it, it depends on your, on your thought process. If you think that, no, okay, Putin takes Ukraine, who gives a fuck, right?

And that's all, that's all it's going to happen. He's not going to try to reconstitute the former Soviet Union in some fashion by going after a couple other states, right? He wants a buffer zone with the West, which is what the Soviet Union was, right? He wants to rebuild that in some fashion, not the same, right? But in some fashion. So my experiences and other people are different and so that's why you end up with differing opinions and, you know, God bless.

But, you know, mine is that he's not going to stop there. So what, my, my belief is you got to hurt him enough, get him to the table and call it good. He said, may look a lot like the way things were, you know, in 2022 when they started the invasion. And that's going to be unsatisfying to a lot of people, but at least you end the fucking conflict, right? And, and fine, that's where, but I think that's where this goes.

The idea that, you know, the only, the only outright winner will be Putin if we back off and say we're not going to provide you with certain armaments, certain weapons to allow you to inflict enough pain to stop this. And it's, this is a incredibly complex and dynamic environment because the US is the White House, the, the Biden administration is pushing very hard on Zelensky to not attack any targets inside of Russia, right? The Ukrainian military is like, well, fuck it.

Why aren't we attacking Russian oil refineries, right? An energy infrastructure like the Russians are doing inside Ukraine. It's been a tactic of the Russian military for quite some time now, right? And just because it impacts morale of the population, it demoralizes people. So the Ukrainian military is saying, do that, the White House is saying, no, we don't want to escalate. So don't do that, right?

Now, the other side of that coin is if you fuck over the Russian energy infrastructure, what does that do to oil prices around the world and what does it do to gas prices at the pump when you're in an election year? And I want to, I don't want to, I don't want to be a conspiracy theorist. But then you got the Europeans and, you know, Macron is over there saying, well, you know, if Kiev asks, we, you know, I can see putting French troops on the ground in Ukraine.

You were trying to distract from the fact that his wife's a man, right? Yeah. That's the wildest one ever heard. Yeah, and the fact that Candace Owen is like, I stake my reputation on this. Like, are you fucking sure? Yeah. Yeah, it's just where you want to go. Is this, is this how you want to be known? I'm so confused by that one. Oh, God. I've tried. I've tried to look into that one. I really have. And to my own embarrassment, I've looked into it.

Yeah. My point is like this person, this woman that he's married to, even, even, even, even, even, even if it's a man. Yeah. The real problem is they had a relationship when Macron was 15. Yeah. And she was 39. That by itself is wild. Yeah. Because if it was the opposite, it was a 39 year old man who was a teacher and a 15 year old girl was a student. Yeah. This would be horrific. Everybody would be up in arms. Well, the greatest line about that is, what was his name? George Sconey, right?

The old Italian prime minister, someone asked him what he thought of, of Macron's wife. And he says, well, he's got a good-looking mom, doesn't he? So anyway, but the very, was this the guy? Well, no, I saw it in the lower, he's creating an MP. This is the story that came out was this. Was that, that's got to be the super dope guy. He looks like a dude who'd be driving around and roll over us. He does.

But the story is, he's super rich guy, has a bunch of dope cars, but I found a post on what, nine gag, which he's like, oh, you have many dope cars. They found the Venn number and the Venn number was, is to a car from last year. So I don't know that it makes, maybe that makes sense that this is the plate. The plate number is to a car from last year. And the story was saying that it's for a new, like a brand new car. Yeah, but those are hard to get. Yeah. The first electric specter.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But those are hard to get. Like, there's 20, 20, 20, 20, 3s that are for sale right now. Like you don't, it's like, like when I got a, if you go looking for one, like I got a Nissan a GTR, I had to get a 2023, 2024's weren't available. Right. Like when I got it. So that could be, yeah, you get a Nismo. So it's, if you get one of those Rolls Roy spectrums, those are fucking hard to get, dude.

And a brand new one, that's a 2023 with zero miles on it, could be what you're buying new. And so I think that's why I think that, you know, I think that this is something this guy could have, you know, he could have carved this money out corruptly from a variety of sources over the years, right? So, this is what the way to make the money. Yeah. The bottom line is, I get bitches with me car. Look at this car. That's a really good accident. That's a very good accident.

This is basically your house. You know, with the right. You know, with the right, this is multiple of your houses. With the right disguise you could warp the streets of Ukraine. I can be Ukraine in the wrestler. Give me a coldly flower, ear.

I will go and I'm like I mean a hunch like I'm gonna do you shoot a double like you're an honest yeah yeah um I think that uh there's definitely a lot of corruption over there and did not that yeah I'm sure you saw that one thing we're can't assume was going back and

forth to the New York Times when they were saying what evidence do you have of Ukraine being corrupt she's like oh you mean your fucking newspaper stupid yeah she said these these different articles about the rampant corruption in Ukraine it's been I mean it's decades right

and we've known that and and but anywhere you've got you know vast sums of money coming in for a variety of reasons which is again well I'm always astounded when people say oh there's no way that uh that the three top leaders of Hamas are you know worth eleven billion

dollars collectively okay well even if it take a tenth of that and you think about these guys running Hamas which supposedly I mean they've been governing since what 2007 2006 supposedly for the benefit of the Palestinian people and they're sitting on billions of dollars and you

think and so that's why you know uh fuck Hamas and and I understand the Israeli perspective which is we can't allow them to retain control I get that right I understand that operational perspective right the problem is that you're you know you're you're you're you're not gonna

win the narrative you're not gonna win what's happening on the international stage and that sometimes you know it is sometimes the Israeli government can act like they don't understand how public relations plays out right I mean this this like look at the past couple

of days what's happened so uh Hamas wasn't going to accept the ceasefire Hamas has turned down opportunities for a ceasefire right they just and the okay and then they know they say okay the other day uh forty eight hours ago whatever they say we're gonna walk away from

the negotiating table fuck that right knowing knowing that Israel is is ready to do some you know limited operations in Rafa so because they're not stupid they've got a very good intelligence network right and they've got a lot of and so they understand what Israel is about to do right

they say we're walking away from the negotiating table Israel says okay fine everybody you know evacuate Eastern Rafa you know we're we're gonna engage in some targeted strikes against Hamas targets that we've identified Hamas turns around shortly after it says we accept a

peace proposal a ceasefire proposal from Egypt and Qatar right so look at us we're accepting a ceasefire proposal and Israel's moving on Rafa right that's a you know on one hand that's a brilliant communication strategy right now you've won the day on the international

stage and and that exactly what they knew would happen just like what they knew would happen after the seven october strikes they knew what was gonna happen they knew that civilians were going to die right they understood that and and again everybody's got their own opinion

minus Hamas doesn't give a shit about dead Palestinians in fact that's their currency that's how they that's how they work the game and so they understood what was going to happen Israel was in a bind they got a respond they're in an urban environment it is fucked up right

and too many people have died right I don't necessarily believe the Hamas run Gaza Health Ministry in terms of their statistics and also they don't separate out how many you know how many combatants were killed right they just like oh 34,000 people have died so people

imagine oh my god 34,000 civilians well thousands and thousands of those people are fighters are Hamas fighters right again it's horrible I'm not saying it's not it's awful right and both sides have have are problematic here but what I am saying is Hamas has a much better

communications public relations operation so they knew what Israel was about to do they claim oh we accept the ceasefire the ceasefire was completely different from what had been presented you know by Israel and to Israel right just during the past 48 hours they say no

this this thing is not what we've been talking about we don't accept it so now they've moved in on Rafa and they've lost yet again the narrative on the world stage so now it's now they're the ones who are causing problems anyway so it's it's kind of like but again the point

is it's also when all that money is sloshing around of course you're going to have people who are benefiting from it and in this case it's it's people like you know Hanyah who you know can sit and cutter we know with with with all that money and what are they worried about

losing a revenue stream right they know that if Hamas is destroyed you think Iran's going to continue giving them a quarter billion dollars a year or cutters going to allow them to live this lavish lifestyle and give them money or they're going to continue to be able to

you know extract taxes from money coming in or from goods coming into Gaza you know or put tariffs on things coming in you know to the tunnels a contraband no so in part it's as it never changes right where there's situations like this whether it's there whether you crane or wherever

yeah you're gonna you're gonna get this right you're gonna get this level of corruption and so I'm not surprised at all when when people are worried about or concerned about what's going on with Ukraine and we give them another 61 billion dollars and how much is that is ending up in pockets

but I argue that that's part of the problem that the government the US government has faced they haven't done their job they haven't provided as much transparency as possible and accountability to the American public and so you lose the support of the American public who had been just two

years ago waving their fucking flags and putting Ukrainian flags on their Twitter sites and all the rest of that bullshit yeah anyway what do you think happens to Gaza if you had a guess look this you can go back to the Romans right putting down you know a Jewish uprising in Judea

which is essentially Jerusalem area right West Bank you know they call it the West Bank now and you know Israel is still called Judea do I think the problem's gonna be solved no in this short term with a conflict and yes but then what happens to all that area that's been destroyed

I got to rebuild it right and that's who rebuilt well they've been they've been trying to put together an Arab states coalition right of countries that would then be responsible for a couple of things the rebuilding of the infrastructure and also security right because again no ceasefire

no permanent ceasefire is going to be accepted that allows Hamas to be the governing authority there right so the US has been pushing very hard to have the Palestinian authority right run by Mark Moodabas who's been in charge of the Palestinian Authority for God 20 years now and he's not

popular in Gaza right they were kicked out I mean they were well there's a there's been a rift with the Palestinian groups factions for some time you go back to when was a PLO PLO was PLO was started in like the early 70s right Yasser Erfat remember him looked a lot like Ringo

star and they were never photographed together so I still think there's something there I was going to investigate that on the like season of black files yeah small mustache yeah it's cost to look a lot alike yeah I would be able to tell if they're in a room together yeah but they

never were this my point well I would be fuck you doing hang out Yasser Erfat well Erfat was a the he was he loved music who doesn't he doesn't got the Beatles we're great but anyway so Yasser Erfat PLO gets put together see what I'm talking about look at his nose Ringo's nose is clear he's

more Arab he looks more like Yasser Erfat than Yasser Erfat does doesn't he maybe we're on something yeah this is what but you see what I'm talking about look look pretty fucking similar you changed the sunglasses yeah just yeah a little CIA disguise but Yasser could not play the drums

the way Ringo plays drums play dumb yeah maybe didn't want to throw everybody off two of my boys the oldest scooter and the youngest Mugsie they they play drums they play drums for a long time they're very good both of them Mugsie in particular loves the Beatles right and and he'll tell you he said

Ringo is completely underrated as a drummer right I'm and you know not in the drumming world they don't know he's great but in the music world he's kind of underrated period is important part of the Beatles I never understood why they decide that guy sucks yeah yeah yeah come on fuck's

wrong with you he married Barbara Bach what do you want yeah well yeah he did well um so to Catherine Bach is she it would do I sound like an idiot if I say who's Catherine Bach from the Duke's hazard Daisy Duke dude that was Catherine Bach yeah see you grow she's

what I know fuck I know the sun sun what was the other guy what was it there was like cooter cooter and skater and blue and bow and Luke Duke and then there was Roscoe Pete Coltrane he was the sheriff yeah remember him yeah Roscoe Pete Coltrane but then there was

uh cooter cooter in the garage yeah I knew it was a cooter and then there was uh boss hog that's right yeah god I don't make it was the man they don't make TV like that anymore no you can't even show that show anymore because the Confederate flag on the roof of the general league they have to

blur that out yeah they blur it out no yeah no you're right do they handle that with did they see J.I. that now so you can still walk that show because like there's carshows yeah I think so because there's car shows where you can't go if you got a general league because if you have a

real like they used to do the O1 on a side yeah yeah see okay that's what it used to yeah that's right Amazon considers pulling Duke's a hazard from video because of the Confederate flag but didn't they didn't they CGI out the Confederate flag for the show CGI out Confederate flag yeah remove flag

flag yeah Google remove flag remove flag consumer products divisions decided cease licensing replicas of Duke's a hazard generally okay that makes sense yeah remove the flag Warner Brothers announces removal of Confederate flag

from the Duke's a hazard okay removing it oh from all merchandise okay not on the show not on the old video yeah up until eight years ago they sold Confederate flags you know what they could do is they could they could if they want to renew the license on that thing they just put an LGBTQ

plus whatever flag on top of there it is kind of TV land polls dukes a hazard amid the Confederate flag I heard that they were gonna put it back up and CGI the flag off I like the people are apparently having enough time on the hands to worry about this shit I think I like you know what

offends me let's just fucking generally it's kind of bizarre how they didn't think that was offensive in the eighties right right there's a lot of shows you couldn't remember star ski and hutch remember huggy bear the the I think he was a pimple on on star skid hutch you couldn't get away with that

shit anyway that's right so yeah yeah yeah yeah so anyway moving back to the PLL so back then part of the part of the rift between the Palestinian Authority and in Hamas is Hamas was it came out of the first info stah in tafada in like 80 whatever 87 but they took exception

with yes or effect because he basically denounced violence right as a way to attain you know the Palestinian objectives and goals and everything he was like okay and he you know remember he was he was involved in signing some peace of chords Madrid and Oslo Accords and everything and so

so Hamas you know in their charter basically is like no she had is the way to go violence is the way that we're going to or you know it's liberation not negotiation they have all these sayings in their charter right about this and so anyway so there's but there have been problems

and and eventually they had an election in in what the hell what year was it 2006 I think in Gaza right and fatah yasser afra'at's party the PLO party was up and was expected to win didn't win Hamas one and during the course of the next year they actually got into a war right between Hamas and

and PLO or Palestinian Authority and Hamas booted him out so they they govern so when you think about Palestine or the Palestinian state or whatever it is you've actually got two completely separate entities you've got Gaza run by Hamas and you've got the West Bank run by Mahmoud Abbas

and the Palestinian Authority so is the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank are they popular there yeah that popular enough yeah they're they're they're popular they continue to to govern right they continue to be in charge and so is placed is really objective that the Palestinian Authority

control all of Palestine no they don't see that's that's where it comes in the US uh secretary plankton and others have been pushing this idea that somehow the Palestinian Authority will will be the governing body in Gaza and you know Gaza and so they don't they don't necessarily

you know they don't want that he's actually less popular Mahmoud Abbas is less popular now than he was even before the seven october attacks and Israel saying no look you know Abbas and the Palestinian Authority they haven't even denounced the attacks of seven october right we don't

we don't want them it's like in their mind it's almost like just trading one for the other right if they're the governing authority so I think when you say what it's going to look like you know it's probably going to be and Israel said we don't want to occupy this shit they stopped

to occupy in Gaza in 2005 right they were like you know done now they still control the border and they they controlled the coastline right uh and the the one crossing those basically two crossings there um Karim Shalom crossing uh with Israel and in Gaza and there's a Rafah crossing um

um but you know they're saying no we don't want them governing so it it could end up looking like a some type of UN Arab states type of coalition right that then is there and they're responsible for security of Gaza and they're responsible for you know they're they're rebuilding effort um

but he has a long ways to go right to get there um so the so Israel is not trying to take over Gaza they don't want it yeah they got look you have to go by leveled it they kind of leveled it yeah they I mean they just look and and people cry genocide you know they're saying genocide you can debate

the you know the meaning of genocide but typically in in terms of of academia and you know and people that talk about these things you know you've got war crimes you've got crimes against humanity you've got genocide and they all mean different things right um Israel wants to destroy Hamas

right there you have to ask yourself is there intent to destroy all Palestinian people as a group to just get rid of them is it like what they tried to do with the Armenians all those years ago or you know the German effort against the the Jews I mean they said is that what they intend to get

to to make this group disappear or is there intent to destroy Hamas terrorist organization um that you know has been attacking them and continues to attack them and it's in their charter because it's in the Iranian regime's objective and and their mind is to remove Israel you could

argue what Iranian regime wants to do with genocide right they want to remove Israel right that's pretty much the definition of genocide so again it depends on how you but there's a little disproportionate amount of military power uh well yes all again between the two of course yeah yeah

and but you have to say okay are we are we lumping Hamas into the the Iranian proxy network they built a belt of terrorist organizations right whether it's a Islamic jihad Palestinian Islamic jihad or Hamas or the Houthis or the Khazbalah of North they've created this network of proxies

designed with the objective of removing Israel at some point right because that's the stated purpose of the Iranian regime they you know they want the destruction of Israel so you know you could argue well look all that together that's the military power or is it just this one

group now you know in a in a in a in a confined sense yes of course Israel's got far more military power than Hamas as an organization right um and again it doesn't you know you it's not it's not one thing or the other it's horrible what the Palestinians civilians go through and have

been going through you could also argue that Hamas knows exactly what they were going to go through when they when they instituted they were they instigated the attacks they did get support and training from the Iranian regime so the Iranian regime knew what was going to happen right so what

do you think the state what is the purpose of the attacks the attacks are not just to kill those 1200 people no uh it's not no you're absolutely right and and and and part of it is uh tied to the desire to uh scuttle the Abraham Accords and the potential normalization of of uh of

relations between Saudis and Israel that really worries them right and Ismail Hanyye right um came out ahead of the political wing of Hamas came out after the attacks and talked about this and glorified the attacks and also said that look this you know people are Arab brothers our Arab states

should realize that Israel is not um you know is is not uh you will have no peace basically with negotiations and with relationships so he was clear in the way that he put it that you know he was sending a message to the Arab states about this idea of normalizing relations with Israel

so uh that was part of it part of the desire was to was to tank those discussions which were pretty well underway right and now are back again right they they they they kind of took them off the table for a while but the Saudis and the US uh have been having some uh pretty good

discussions recently over the normalization of all of this right and I think it's in the Arab states where you know look Bahrain and and uh Morocco and and others all understand too that long term stability down the road is going to come from normalization of relationships and some long

term ability to have peace um which is part of the problem they don't want you know they that's why they don't take Palestinian you know um they're they're worried about the the Palestinian refugees right uh you say well why doesn't Egypt so they'll go up the crossing and set up a refugee camp

across the way from the Ralph across it well in part because they're worried about the wrong security Egypt's been building a big wall they've been adding to their wall down along their border with Gaza Strip so you know there's it look they they formed the PLO Egypt was in charge of the PLO

all those years ago back in the early 70s right um you know they were essentially the leaders they put in place in the PLO all those years ago were basically just puppets for Egypt right and part of the reason why they were putting those people in place was because they wanted to minimize

sort of the radical Islamic extremist actions right and the acts that they took against Israel because they wanted stability they did the the families down there right whether it's Qatar or the Saudis or the Egyptians or whatever they're just as worried about radical Islam right and

the potential for them to lose control and to lose power as are the Israelis and others in a sense right not necessarily from the physical sense but they've attacked you know Arab families before or leaders before so it's a complex problem I guess what I'm saying is there's a lot of

moving parts here and sometimes it all just gets you know thrown into one simple minded argument right it's good or it's bad Israel's committing genocide you know you know Palestinian people are terrible no it's there's so much fucking more to this so again you know I don't know that there's

any solution that that will be long long term committed peace in the region in our lifetime but in the short term I think you know the conflict when it's wrapped up I don't see how it ends with Hamas still being in control of Gaza I don't I think that's a red line for the Israeli

government now maybe Netanyahu doesn't last as the leader of the government and somebody like Benny Gantz takes over and they're more inclined to say now you know what just for the sake of some peace right now you know it's just called a quits but do you think that's possible it yeah it could

happen he's got netanyahu it's got a lot of internal issues political issues right so but I think well that's something that we talked about before the people protesting on the street for months hundreds of thousands of people protesting on the streets about Netanyahu expanding power

yeah with their courts yeah and I and I think that if there's look if there's a change in government fine they do what they're gonna do I just I just think that you know from an operational perspective and it's just operation I'm not talking about the moral the ethics of the whole thing

of people dying on this I'm just saying from an operational perspective leaving Hamas in place isn't gonna create any even midterm peace is it possible for them to get Hamas out it is possible they have to do what they're doing just bomb the shit out of everything well they do a lot of

targeted strikes they do a lot of yeah there's there's it's look it's it's fucking ugly right there's no you can't you can't show code any of this and say well they're just I so when I say target it strikes I'm not saying it's all very surgical and people aren't getting out and of course people

are dying but and you're not gonna remove them you can't get down to zero some here right it's like it's like counterterrorism you never reduce the risk down to zero so when you're talking about Hamas you can't destroy them in the in the concept of saying you know they're all dead right because

the leaders are still they're like I said they're fat and happy sitting in Qatar and Turkey and and that's where they're hiding they're not even hiding right they're guests this is how fucked up some of these middle east problems are they're guests of the Katari government right they

and we know they're there and so did they go there when the conflict started no oh no no no these guys have been you know living abroad for years right they've been living abroad for years and then and in part because look Hamas runs a network of businesses and charitable organizations just like

Hasbalad does Hasbalad's got a global presence right so but they they're they're they're sitting over there in a country that is also one of our key non-nado allies right so we have our largest middle east base there you know in Qatar and you know so it's only just recently and I recently

is like the past week or so where the US is is is broached the idea of say look if Hamas doesn't accept a ceasefire right then the Katari government needs to move these people out they need to expel them right and whether the Katari government would do that or not because they're playing

all sides right the Katari government does you know they've hosted the Taliban they've hosted ISIS leaders as parties nice part sick great party the host the canopies are delicious they're it's it's a lovely it's a lovely time in the conversation and so you know at the

say so it's it is I'm just trying to paint the picture that it's more complicated than somebody sitting on a campus at UCLA might imagine right right right and and and to your point it deserves more debate it deserves more intellectual open conversation right not necessarily when you talk

about who's right who's wrong how about focus on how do we fucking solve the problem right if and the problem is maybe intractable if the problem is a two-state solution then maybe you know this thing is just never never gonna work because you know maybe a two-state solution is the best idea

but if one side of the other is not going to accept it and both sides have pushed back against it at various times then you know what do you got where where's it going the thing is like most people never get to hear this like wide-ranging perspective like you just laid out with all the different

factors I'm sure there's more factors yeah but all the different you know significant pieces that are in play here yeah and I think that's but you the same thing happens with every major issue right because again if you turn on the news you get a three-minute piece of news about a major crisis

happening right like the Ukraine the conflict whatever so and you know not everybody wants to sit and and listen you know to to details about like an Israel and Hamas or once a Ukraine and or you know whatever on's doing with their nuclear weapons program or whatever but you know we tend to

we we we tend to have ADHD right as a nation I think and so again people are busy people are just focused on other things but it deserves more conversation it deserves more detail and not the bullshit that gets thrown out there from one side or the other right sort of the hard edges

right and or the shit that comes in from outside elements like the Chinese the Russians the Iranians who don't have our best interests at heart right and you know so again we keep going back to the same thing if people aren't curious and they don't take the fucking responsibility upon themselves

to understand what it is that they're listening to is it is it verifiable is incredible whatever get a balance of of news don't just sit and get in with silo and listen to shit because you agree with it right have a conversation with somebody who disagrees with it's very interesting yeah

yeah yeah so it's very valuable too if you could if you have the ability to just let someone talk and engage them and not get upset and angry just why do you think that what do you think about this and just have a rather I mean that used to be an admirable trait well I think that's why

you know I'm blowing smoke up your ass but that's why I think this your show works right is because you have conversations and you piss people off because I think sometimes people have a hard time putting you in a box right and that makes people uncomfortable if they think you know okay I know

where he's coming from and then you have a conversation where you're listening to something completely on the other side right and you're not just saying well fuck you that's wrong you're saying well why is that right and you're having people explain things that can piss people off right

because everybody wants to to to to identify make a quick judgment and say move on yeah yeah and judging is a lot easier than thinking it is a lot easier it's super simple yeah it's very fucking thinking is fucking complicated especially when you're dealing with layers upon layers

decades and generations of conflict like like you are in gauze and palestine yeah Israel it's nuts yeah I don't know where it's going to I mean again I think I think the the US is in an interesting position they're not the key mediator here right they're not the you know they can exert pressure

on on Israel to some degree but Israel's been very clear and said look we're gonna this is existential for us right if the she was on the afoot if it was the US that was facing this sort of threat right if we were talking about Mexico right we are Canada Canada's a threat yeah but Canada's

too close yeah at least Mexican speaks Spanish we could see it is that makes it's a different yeah meanwhile there's way more Mexicans over here than our Canadians right I don't know I don't know I don't know if I trust the Canadians I think they're coming across the border at night when we

don't see I think they're in a cult yeah that fucking true doughs in a cult yeah the fact that they voted that guy and again is mind blowing yeah like how what are you fucking paying attention your your country's literally falling apart and you guys are so wrapped up in one eye ideology

or another you don't course correct yeah you know it's like if Newsom was the governor God not just the governor of California but the he's the president he's running the same policies on our country yeah I don't know he was he was thrown out there as I was like I mean

now they yeah they moved off of Pete Buttigieg and some others but now he's he's still a winnable Buttigieg is incompetent yeah he's unwinnable well you could argue that Newsom also is incompetent 100% but that's slick fucker you know I think they were trying him for a little while but then

they decided to just run it with Biden again which is just absolutely wild absolutely wild well I was pretty convinced that this was gonna be the month they're gonna remove Biden I was like I don't yeah I was like I think May I talked to Tim Dillon about it he put that idea in my head

and I think I was like you know what that totally makes sense may seems like it makes sense because if you're gonna really get a new guy in place if you know Biden is like you guys I got a problem is a thing just to be here on the sidelines I'm gonna work really close with

the governor Newsom and I think it's more more years pause pause yeah that was actually brilliant it's it's it's fucking crazy it's fucking crazy that these people are gaslighting us but they can't they can't move them out but if they move him out they got to move Kamala Harris out right or they've

got to elevate her to the top of the ticket which is nuts that's not gonna happen well no one's you that you have to be the nuttyest fucking Democrat and I know a few I know this one nutty Democrat that I'm

you know because I kind of friends or I see them I'll say hi but this this motherfucker's a Kamala Harris fan you know thank you Madam Vice President like he's one of those how do you get to that point how do you you're retarded yeah just completely get it in there's no critical thinking at all

and you're just fucking blue no matter who yeah you you ride or die well that's what I mean I I assume that they've looked at the scenarios and they thought to themselves we can't have Biden stepped down and put somebody else at the top of the ticket so we've got to clear the ticket

entirely right because we can't run Kamala Harris as as the presidential candidate so and we certainly can't bring in Newsom a white dude you know to run the top of the ticket and keep her in place right that's right not not that they're also she's just not valuable in that spot she

doesn't gain you she doesn't get confidence that we'll have a great vice president if he kicks the bucket and bro how are they keeping him a lot yeah what are they giving him and where do I get it well she'll be she'll be present yet what do I get a reason yeah I want to try as an able-bodied man

of uh complete control of my cognitive functions I'd like to know what that fucking cocktails like I was going to say the cocktail that they gave him before the state of the union of yeah whatever they gave him then yeah right that fired him up just long enough to make it too long

enough boy he must have slept for a week after that I bet god I bet it's some high dose stuff whatever it is and I bet it feels great yeah yeah yeah in the moment and then I take this it's probably it's probably a come down oh but yeah but no I so yeah so she she'll be president this is my theory

I know I've lost bet with you before on on Trump but I I worry that look I you know I think you know the the Republicans can't really go after Biden's age completely only because Trump is what 78 right but he's not as compromise right and then that's and that's absolutely true but I just

I think that what's going to happen is that you you have to have a perfect storm for Trump the win in terms of the independence right and suburban moms and you have to have enough people come back into the tent right to vote for him and I just I don't know that I have enough confidence that's

going to happen so we end up with president Biden and Harris again which means we will have president Harris I hate to say that right you know you know you you wish well on everybody right good health and all that yeah but come on come on please are you kidding me come on it's not gonna

two years into this next ten years but it isn't president Trump ahead in a lot of polls in two states he is but I you know again I don't I don't know that I make you know bank on on polls nowadays I think it's it's I yeah this is going to sound like I'm I'm going off topic but

after the seven october attacks and in Gaza I think that the survey was done in maybe January and February timeframe they released it in March so a Palestinian research center based in uh uh where Ramallah I think in in Gaza um I forget where it was but anyway um they ran

a survey and according to this poll that they did of of residents of Gaza over 70 percent supported Hamas's seven october attacks right 70 percent over 70 percent supported Hamas's attacks it was a minuscule amount that thought that Hamas was responsible for their troubles right as I

was like less than 10 percent I think they thought that that that Hamas was responsible for all the chaos now happening right despite the fact of what they did but they supported what they did according to the poll now you you appeal that back and you think to yourself okay well first of all the the

survey was done in in Gaza so somebody knocks on your door and says do you support Hamas's actions on seven october what the fuck do you think I'm going to say right of course I'm going to say yes right it's kind of like if you walk up to somebody and in in in San Francisco on this in a

crowded street and say do you do you support president Trump no you know so I don't know that people are particularly honest right at times in surveys and polls especially in this these servicemen in these circumstances but but you're right most surveys most polls show them uh you

know some points ahead and you know don't get me wrong I had you know I'd love to see less regulation you know we got all sorts of problems on the economic front and you know one thing we could be doing as as a government is is peeling back some of the regulatory environment that's

fucking us over right and in a lot of ways not just the economy but it impacts our national security down the road right how much when you hear about shenanigans when it comes to voting when it hear when you hear about like particularly corruption involved with mail-in ballots it seems to be a

sticking issue with people yeah how much of a security issue is that like the mail-in ballots thing yeah look and if there's an opportunity for fraud or chaos some people somewhere you know whether democrats or publics or whatever if there's if there's a fraud opportunity there will be an

element that will try to play off of that right especially if they think that it's imperative that this happened for this future of democracy future of democracy it's oh my god I'm saving the country yeah despite what I'm doing so yeah despite what we're doing being very un-American right

exactly so voter corruption so I don't I don't have any insight or insight information about you know to what degree there's a problem with with with mail-in ballots and voter fraud but to me I tend to be a little more simplistic I remember a lot of elections where you just show up you show

your ID you fill out the form and then by that evening you found out who won right it didn't seem to be that complicated right and now and nobody seemed really disenfranchised right so I I would like to see us just go back to the normal way of voting right and do we vote on it like how do

how does people how do people decide whether or not mail-in ballots are appropriate that because the reason why they were there in the first place was covid right right but now that it's there and it's set up yeah now there's this resistance to get rid of mail-in ballots but if if that is the

thing that keeps us closer to corruption and it seems to be that's the thing that's an element that you can fuck with right and you and you do this all the time and in in the business environment or whatever you you look at your protocols in place you remove you know lack of controls where

you know fraud could see in right it's a common thing you don't it's it shouldn't be shouldn't be difficult but so then you have to look at it with some skepticism right are you genuinely concerned that you know somehow there were vast swathes of the the population that were

disenfranchised and not able to vote right or just can't get themselves an ID right which I think is an insulting stance to take for a lot of people you're not you're not I'm sorry you're not smart enough to get yourself an ID but you need one if you have a vaccine yeah but you need

what if you have a vaccine or you need work yeah or or from Sanus Club yourself you need one but you don't need one to vote because that's you know that's racist so yeah exactly something so I think you know it to me it just seems like we should look at it from from a perspective of the way that

you would do it if you were running a business which is I want to minimize the potential opportunities for fraud how do I do that it's very fucking simple seems fucking simple yeah you can phrase it that way yeah so but they that's not how it's not how they're how they're doing it right now and

is that something that can be voted on that's the question I like who no idea leave it up to the people you mean who who decides that mail in ballots are still legitimate well I guess that was that a a federal or a state decision I think is I don't know that's a very good question um

yeah I who knows cuz I have friends that believe there was no voter fraud at all and I have friends that believe that 100% Trump won yeah yeah I'm the same way I've got both sides and you think okay well look so on's yeah well and and usually the answer is somewhere in in you know

in that range in the middle there's some fraud was it enough to like fuck things over I who knows I don't know it's it's but again I keep going back to the operational concerns which is just just minimize the potential for fraud mail in ballots have always been mail in ballots have been a

thing right you're serving overseas or whatever but there was a protocol for it and it was very straightforward and very clear and now you know the the the concern over ballot harvesting and and mail in ballots and having you know months to get you to having you know weeks past before

you know who won Craig yeah talk about instilling you know skepticism over the credibility of your voting system yeah take take weeks to figure out who won a fucking election is there a real danger that Trump could win but lose meaning that he could win the election but lose this court case

oh and literally have to go to jail while he's the president I mean yeah this was the topic of discussion at the Rogan House today was it well hey we're trying to figure out like because yeah he could he could he could there's nothing that says he can't govern from jail but it's a

possible they really let me put him in jail is is he in danger of actually being put in a jail for these crimes of not what did he do exactly he paid a lady off and I guess he did it in a secret of way or in a well he did it in the same way that Arnold Schwarzenegger did it or they did it in the

same way that a variety of people who are trying to suppress a bad PR story do it right so I think the I think the trial that's going on right now involving stormy Daniels in New York was the least favorite trial of the Democrats or the most keen to see him put in prison right

they all felt as if this is probably not the one to start with but they started with because Alvin Bragg was dead set on on doing it right he just like I'm I'm gonna throw this out there and you know a variety of other entities had looked at that case and said we're not going to

push it forward and so they put this forward I I don't think there's anybody other than the hard core never trumpers the the people that are just desperate to see him in a in a jumpsuit who believe that there's any merit to it that the analysts that you watch across the board even the

the the hard left ones they tend to speak in caveats right like you know they're not completely convinced that this was the way to go so I don't know but having said that if he gets convicted and if there's like some you gotta go to prison sounds so fucking bizarre how do we get to this

point then I don't know of any any you know I don't know if anything that says he can't you know continue to run or be you know elected is that what he's being accused of is this generally a crime that people actually have to go to jail for no no no they're trying to tie this in to sort of

the campaign issue of campaign funds influencing of the campaign that's what they're trying to they're trying to tie it into well of course he's trying to suppress a story right that he thought would be bad or that they thought his team thought would be bad for a campaign right but that

in and of itself so they got to tie it into how the funds were expended they've tried this in the past and again it's not like there haven't been countless dudes who you know did the mess around and then had to pay to get the story suppressed right I mean that's that there are PR firms that

specialize in that sort of thing so I don't know I don't see that this is going to I don't see this is going to tank him right there's probably other cases out there is it a case where yeah there's probably more cases right waiting they're gonna keep throwing it out yeah they've got a timeline of

cases and look there's yeah the democratic strategists have been you know they stick to a message they're very smart and they're very disciplined but they all sat in a room somewhere and they looked at these various thing they looked at the election calendar and they looked at you know

where the primaries are and they looked at when they could maybe get these trials going and the idea being let's just keep this thing rolling keep him in the news as being in a court right the idea that he's the idea that he's got to sit there and can't leave you don't see that you know

that's not a typical move right but now he's locked into that court on whatever Monday Tuesday and Thursday and Friday or whatever so with the idea being he's not out on the campaign trail right so but he's also in the news and his supporters think that he's being unduly prosecuted or unfairly

prosecuted right and that it's a political prosecution and then all they're trying to do which is essentially un-American is suppressing their political rival right and that is a large number of people in the country a larger number every day I think this goes on of the

getting more of an understanding of this case like the problem is if you're a democrat and you support this if he does get in power now he has this ability you have to understand there's a precedent it's been set yeah and if you don't think that Biden has a shitload of things so let's say

Biden loses okay let's get really crazy let's get really really really crazy Biden loses they inject him with stem cells for three years and then they roll him out in 2027 like let's do it again do it again one to second term we saw disasters as a versus that was and they say you know

what he's been sharper than ever and get these New York liberals who just gaslight the shit out of you I saw that video I'll tell you I'm pumped he's sharp as a tack he's never been better sure he's old but that's his superpower his work ethic his work ethic looks fantastic he is so kind

he's such a good man he's the father of our country well I read I wrote lucky I read an ex-post by admittedly a guy that works for a consulting firm in DC right he's a democratic strategist but he wrote this glowing thing about how oh Biden's had his great couple of weeks man as he had a good

couple of weeks on fire yeah he's on fire look what he's done in the Middle East right and you think like one more years man you could argue that part of our problem was we coddled the Iranian regime for three years and that's how things got to this stage and now and now what and suddenly

he's had a good couple of weeks he's not they're not leading the charge on any ceasefire negotiations right there in fact I you could argue that they're making national security decisions related to Israel based on domestic policy concerns or political concerns right you don't want to lose

the youth vote you don't want to lose the Arab American vote by being overly supportive of Israel so there is some concern here but isn't that losing the Jewish vote then because Jewish we talked about the gesture yeah 70% of Jewish people identify or vote as Democrats yeah I know and what's

that all about I'm not I've never been quite clear on how that that number worked right and so yeah it is interesting but but anyway I you know I don't want to say that you know they're making too many decisions based on domestic political concerns but I think that they are that's just the

nature of the game right and so I don't think I'm being overly cynical but yeah what I was getting to was that if Biden did we went crazy in 2027 they got him on stem cells and they put him in a hyperbaric chamber every day for four hours and he sharp as a tiger attackers look at him

knife he's sharper than his uncle Bozy was imagine if Trump goes after him because there's a lot to go after if they started uncovering the emails and the the bereasement stuff and the fact that he said he'd never talked to any of his sons business partners but but but Biden's former

partner said that at least 20 phone calls the fact that he allegedly used a pseudonym when he was exchanging emails all that's nuts yeah all that is nuts well if that if that was the case if now Trump gets to go after him this is now we're dealing with insanity now we're dealing with

every time someone is president they have the power to prosecute their political rivals for unnecessary means which is the whole our immunity right this is not the thing that should be a thing that decides whether or not a guy gets to run for president no it's a that's a very fourth world

thing right and I probably get in trouble for saying fourth world people know oh my god how can you denigrate the fourth world well it's not us are we fourth we're heading in that direction well I don't know for a first world where I'm not sure where we stand we have those first world

we're not that's what's scary recalibrate maybe there are no first worlds anymore but when you find out I mean we found that the 1% of the world is 34 thousand dollars a year that when you hear that you go oh that's why they're walking over here that's why this is all yeah that's why

it's all nuts like yeah like this is first world it's crazy as it is this really is first world yeah well look I know I I'd spent most of my life overseas and I met a lot of people in some very bizarre environments and some and some sort of remote areas and they all had this idea you know

get to America and work hard and you'll you could do who knows what right so it's still and it's still continues to be a very dynamic and you know driving element of of you know of of people overseas I think we forget that sometimes right and and certainly you know you could look at the campus

protests and go to well okay maybe maybe you know the youth of today but that's not true either right because we can fall into that trap and say well the fucking youth of today don't understand how you know great they have it and everything every generation has said that about their kids

well not only that if you look at every generation has said that about their kids for sure but if you looked at this this population of college kids and you could remove these kids from their friends and with total immunity and at total anonymity get their real opinions on all this

stuff I guarantee you there's a lot of kids they say some of this is so crazy and you can't have opposing opinions and we just sort of accept it and we move on and it's what percentage of the kids are out there tense intense what percentage of the kids are out there blocking the roads

and protesting I bet it's a small percentage it's it's a very small it's a lot of people and then there's a lot of people that go there that probably don't even go to that school right right well that I mean if you look at that's a rest statistic so far right you know what say it's not you know

completely accurate about 2400 arrests right campuses across the country and the statistics are starting to show that you know upwards of half of those arrests those people have no affiliation with the university they're not college students right they're outside either agitators activists

however you want to refer to them right so yeah I agree with it's not we're not talking about a lot and again I would argue that you know from the outside activist perspective again whether it's you know students for justice in Palestine or or you know the other groups that are involved

they look at the students themselves is just window dressing and again sort of useful idiots but right I will tell you one thing is you can get cynical sometimes about the state of you know the youth how we want to call it the youths but then I took I took my oldest boy scooter for his

candidate visit at the US Naval Academy a couple weeks ago that is a way to strengthen or reaffirm your belief in in where we are as a country right when you see the kids that are there holy fuck right and I probably shouldn't say that when I'm describing all the kids there but what great kids

right they're still out there they're still out there and that's the next point yeah there's a lot of them there's a lot of them we're saying earlier like you know oh the generation before I think this is the best generation it's just there's so many morons yeah but in terms of just the sheer

number of people that aren't it'll surprise you there's a there's a lot of great people in this country yeah and we have our problems and we're gonna always have problems but that the one of the ways we find solutions is by having problems and that's one of the ways who come to understandings

and the the people that are trying to stop you from discussing this that's the real problem the problem is not disagreement folks the problem is people trying to stop people from discussing very important subjects and that is look fucking all hail Elon Musk is that motherfucker stepped in

spent $44 billion dollars and shifted the entire the whole like the environment of social media is very different because X is the Wild West yeah it's very different everywhere everything has to kind of relax just to kind of keep up with it because the the whole power dynamic the whole

bell curve has shifted and now you got this one dude it's like I don't give a fuck I'm gonna post ridiculous memes I'm gonna talk shit I'm gonna say funny things I remember where he was a darling of the left oh my god now he's Nazi now it's crazy it's he's the worst one of his cars

was like a virtue badge like my friend made fun of me because I had a Tesla you know I was like dude I don't give a fuck what you say if you get in this car you'll change your mind remember that South Park episode with the Prius I don't think you there was a whole episode about

you know people of South Park buying Prius isn't feeling incredibly super self right just it was fantastic it was almost as good as their their their smacking in San Diego bro it is a thing in California it is a real thing that some of my liberal friends that I know what you're doing

you fucks you're waving a flag that's not even a good car you didn't even like the way it looks what do you do yeah yeah yeah yeah out of here with that fucking stupid thing but now he's now yeah you're right now he's now he's a Nazi and see but the Tesla thing made sense to me I'm like okay

when you drive one of those things you get both things you get to feel like you're better because I'm out here doing something amazing for the environment and then also you get a fucking time machine that thing moves like a time machine yeah it doesn't even seem real how fast

those things are did I tell you did I tell you when I rented a I ended up with a Tesla I think I'm I I don't know if I told you about that when I show up at a rental car place and I forget even what town I was in and I hadn't asked for an EV right but I guess now they're kind of like they're

pushing them out yeah so the guy says oh we you know you know we got a Tesla for you I said okay fine so he hands me he hands me the card right that little card so I got it so he's out there in whatever space 428 so I wander out there and I stand it's in its locked right so now I'm

standing there thinking well I don't have a fucking key I don't have a clue how to open this thing right so a guy walks by and he goes I just tap the the card on the on the car so I'm out there like tapping tap in the fucking car tap in it all over you know he didn't tell me a little

little panel right there tap it on that so I'm tapping the fucking car I look like a monkey fucking a football and I'm just like yeah and so finally finally guy the guy walks over he goes what are you doing I said I'm trying to open the car so he goes oh it says he taps it car opens

I go to the air say thanks very much man and he walks away you know how he did it did you pay attention well I watched him he just hit that one spot on the on the little panel there by the book and so I was like okay got it so I sat down in the car now I don't have a clue how to start to

fucker right so I had to Google I'm saying I'm not gonna I'm not gonna walk back all the way over there and say look I'm such an idiot so I sat there and I Google how do you start a Tesla right right and I had to sit and watch this stupid video and it was fine and then I will say yeah I was I was

very impressed I loved it it was a great experience I'd never done that bizarre right yeah right and then bizarre how fast they're it was crazy right bizarre and and then you know then you got to figure out how to charge it and that was a whole another oh yeah you got to make sure

that there's chargers available right in some places a fucking line yeah you got to wait an hour to get on that goddamn thing right and we're gonna sit in there for an hour and we're all gonna drive electric vehicles when you don't we don't have the capacity yet right let me go ahead we

don't have the guy's not ready for it yet no not only that the fucking source of the minerals is a horror story yeah oh I meant to tell you there's a great story in which was a Wall Street journal today and I love when they have stories like this because I'm thinking no no shit share

a lot it's about it's about access for the defense industry to magnets right rare earth magnets which you need for everything submarines F 35s whatever think about what you need for I mean and magnets are also for obviously for a variety of everything else how so it appliances and shit

92% of rare earth magnets are controlled by China right now right materials and and manufacturing and so now the US is suddenly on realizing that they've gotten issue because a while back handful of years ago they put in place a law that will actually come into effect in 27 in a big

way which says you know no magnets you know from China where the materials or the processing or manufacturers in China so we don't have the capacity why why can't we get them after 2027 from China well they that's that's that's kind of when they said that's it because we want to be in control of

something this critical to a variety of things right and so the cap well ability well yeah I mean we do look rare earth it's interesting rare earth minerals are not they're not called that because of their rareness right there they're actually you know you could argue critical minerals are more

difficult to get your hands on but it's it's the refining process that that's kind of makes them difficult and we can get them we could we could have this capacity we could we could have had the capacity for years and years and years but we it's the regulatory policies right so it's like the mining industry in the states is all it's more a bunch right it's almost dead because you know we've put in place so many regulations and say you can't no I can't do that it's a bit bad for the environment

we know it's worse for the environment it's the way that they fucking mind these things overseas right whether it's in China or Africa or wherever else and so we've we've kind of shot ourselves in the foot with this but they're now starting to catch anyway it's a good article Wall Street Journal

so if they're gonna catch on like where do they get these is there a place where they can do it where they don't ruin everything there's another article I found right below it stuck about mountain past yeah which used to be a huge place if it was oil it would be considered Saudi Arabia is that

where the donor party died oh yeah maybe in between California and about it says right here is that where they died world's number one source of rare yes bro started in the gold rush and then production changed and things changed is it still the number one source mountain passes arguably

the best rare earth asset in the world whoa if it were oil it would be Saudi Arabia little let's start digging bitches yeah he was talking about refining of it and that's I think this article starts talking about yeah so we don't have the refineries yeah we need to and so

we're there starting to put money into whether it's us or the Australians or the Germans or who may have it they're starting to you know realize but good news as they figured this out but while we were paying attention to whatever we were focused on China was dominating you know above 90%

and knowing right strategically thinking ahead years ago thinking what's gonna be important right and so they did and they don't you know they're not playing the same game in terms of regulations and environmental concerns and practices and that's a good thing we should have environmental

concerns I'm not saying that no we should go China's not having these concerns no they don't have it one of the wildest things that you know these social media bots you know who knows what countries are using these but there's a lot of them that are being run by foreign countries and they'll a

lot of times be like real inflammatory about climate change and if they're funded by China while China is building coal plants all the time yeah they have like hundreds of new coal plants that they're building yeah opening up I forget what it was two a week or so new coal plants yeah and EPA just just crushed the coal industry here over the past week and a half or so with some new regulations that are going forward in terms of you know what you have to reduce your emission by nuclear isn't

that's the solution it would I would say the solution is all of the above right it's everything right and you gotta and yes eventually work towards something that makes you know sense on the green energy front but yeah nuclear is certainly a big part of it but we get in this mindset you know it's

like everything else we get one it's it's got to be all this or it's got to be all that it's like it's like the way that we have we have arguments but yeah you're right the people should look at like if you have an environmental activist group right and they a lot of times they'll want to shut down

a mining operation here in the states right and it looks like it's a grassroots it's just like the campus protests looks like it's a grassroots thing oh it's just a neighborhood organization that's up against this idea right you got to dig into it a little bit and then next thing you know you find

that there's there's outside elements involved because it's in their best interests and China's figured this out we've talked about this before they figured out that the way to impact the US for their own good was to impact local and state regulations and regulatory policies towards things

like mining right because it's it it it helps them in their cause to dominate the industry or dominate whatever that market is that we're talking about so you know again it's just a matter of people back to layers pay attention think about what you're what you're doing I want it I did want to

oh this sort of talks about the overbuilding of plants but they're going to run less frequently to keep their capacity high and then it's asked like why and that they might just be doing it just in case yeah case what oh no I don't know that's you know well maybe that's their they're

preparing for their electric cars by the way China has the most advanced electric car suspension that I've ever even heard of it's so good that you could drive over speed bumps and you could have glasses balance on the hood well it sounds like that old satellite lives get where they

said the ride was so smooth in the Lincoln you could conduct a circumcision in the back so they had a they had a they had a rabbi in the back of a Lincoln doing a circumcision to show how smooth the transit the suspension was well this makes that look like a motorbike like like a

motocross bike holy shit like these things go over everything and they stay flat they don't feel anything the car just stays flat as it's riding over all these bumps it's nuts and if you see how works like all the different things that are moving around inside of it all the machinery that

they've developed to have this insane suspension it's crazy China is like really innovating right now in the field of electric cars and in field of cars period but their electric cars have made massive leaps because just a few years ago I think Elon dismissed a lot of their electric cars

but now he's like no no no these are like really legitimate and they've got they've got their version of a Rolls Royce that's like a million dollars and you can't even get it yeah we've seen these Chinese Rolls Royces they're insane yeah and they've also and and part of that is because they

have been strategic about locking up critical minerals right overseas in terms of you know getting in there working with countries to lock up that market and also to dominate completely the refining side of things right they've got the confidence in knowing you know where they where

they can take this and so this is like okay we can dominate the EV market you know because we've done they we've done the hard work ahead of this thing wow this is their their Chinese version of a Rolls Royce and it's supposed to be sick like you get inside of you like oh my god it's cars

incredible but you can't even get them in America yeah I like my Jeep Grand Wagging Air better Jeep Grand Wagging Air is a great but I would drive this del bass Chinese luxury sled this thing looks insane hey you know that that thing you sent me about the Manta yes yes that's that's seed ship

yeah the it's fantastic it's it's it's it's it's that you underwater unmanned vehicle that's it right there yeah that's that's what I hope America's making without me knowing with my $10 and and we and we are how we make a shit like this look at that thing man that is so cool like that

is if you imagined like what was going to be like the kind of technology that's in 2024 in like 1967 that would be right up there yeah I got a spaceship that they use in the ocean yeah and it's and it's fantastic because it is it's it you you can you know manufacture thousands of them right

and they're for very specific purposes they're they're long duration you know unmanned vehicles underwater low power right so interesting they're doing this that that thing called energy harvesting but they're getting it from the the gradient salinity in the in the water and the change in

insulting this in the water but it is fascinating but I part of this is how they do that no I'd like to say that I'm a gradient salinity you know a fishianado but I'm not but this is this is interesting because they were behind the curve in developing particularly from a naval perspective

these these new capabilities and we're seeing how the drones and the unmanned vehicles from a naval perspective have impacted Ukraine right and their ability to attack the Russian black sea fleet we're seeing what the hoodies are doing with them right and we've been a little slow to the game

and so you know it's interesting to watch now that they're developing things like this which you can take apart and then ship someplace right it doesn't need the travel underwater to get to where it's going right you just you ship it off you put it together you assemble it you put it in

and it's got a variety of uses in can carry payloads but it's it is it is fascinating but there's a there's also we talked about AI and there's something else that DARPA's been doing because this is a DARPA related project as well is something called ace and they've just finished

um an AI and machine learning dogfight they've created a it's like x something x 62 which isn't yeah so autonomous now you you put two guys in there there's still pilots in this thing it's a modified f16 essentially that you you've got two guys in there but they're not flying

it so they've conducted actual dogfight scenarios against a human crew f16 right and it's it's remarkable this this plane is using AI and machine learning to uh to dogfight basically and is it winning against yes yeah and you know so you've you still have a couple of guys in there but they're

just they're like an autonomous truck right they're just there in case things go wrong right they can take control but it's it's unbelievable and in the center tests yeah how what is the rain well in the virtual test well it's it's there would be the range of of an f16 right I mean it's

you you you've you've got um so the all the everything's computing all the that's all happening in the computer learning on the plane and it's making decisions faster than the human pilot can do it it's not connected to the internet at all with sky with sky net or whatever the fuck that is

sky net oh a starling starling sky net bro starling yeah no it's but it's I wanted to bring that up because that is that is to me that's remarkable and it's insane that's insane that it's doing it in real time yeah with a jet it's crazy um but it makes sense there's no margin for error

it would get it perfect and they're in the virtual test that they did in the virtual tests they were undefeated against humans right so yeah you think about what that means down the road okay so what do you think these drones are the people keep think seeing or these uap's I should say oh yeah some

of them they think are drones that like hovering over ships right what do you do you think these are foreign government they've China can make electric cars that advanced right and we can make drones that are pretty fucking advanced yeah what kind of shit do they have well I think it's I

think you're right I think most of the most of that uap sightings and I think it's important to for them I'm glad the government and the defense bar is finally at least come forward to some degree to say look we've got we've got an interest in this we want to investigate we want to know what

these things are these sightings that we can't readily identify off the bat look we were tricked out in the Korean War the Russians you know designed the mick whatever it was the mick 15 maybe and we had no idea right so they they come out they roll out the mick 15 against we were still

using you know you know old rotor aircraft from propeller aircraft from WWII in Korea the outset and we didn't know that the Russians had advanced material science to the point that they had so they could build something like this so it would be insane for us to think somehow that the

Chinese you know who have proven themselves to be brilliant at reverse engineering other people's technology haven't figured out something else so that yeah there's there's always this game of trying to understand how advanced they are and I suspect some of the uap sightings are definitely

probably Chinese I don't I don't think the Russians necessarily but not that they wouldn't try or not trying but I suspect the Chinese are further advanced on this and they've stolen a lot of technology from us over the years and we've talked about that but I think of the number of the

uap sightings that that get listed are just that but that's why they do it that's why they have a an office now that you know that they've admitted to that investigates because it's a national security issue you've got to know if a hostile state has created something that we are not aware of

right propulsion or material science or whatever it may be how much of that stuff could be kept secret and for how long do you think like is it like is it equivalent in terms of like the physicists that are working on this in China versus the ones that are working on it over here like

is it possible that somebody made some sort of a propulsion breakthrough well yeah anti-gravity or something yeah well that was the thing we had this lady that went missing you know that story yeah yeah yeah yeah she was but she was working on an anti-gravity device and she back went back

trying to for a little bit and then yeah but there's back here there's been some talk about you know there's some various people's a saboteur pice and some others who have been working on supposedly on things you know similar you know various propulsion systems anti-gravity you know um

how do you you know how do you change the laws of physics right and I don't know that if I don't know how long that could be kept secret for right because could you keep it here for a little bit though yeah yeah you could but at some point you know it's going to get rolled out and you know someone's going to get wind of something it's human nature um and we're always trying we're always working just like the Chinese always working against us we're always working to understand

what they got and so I you know I'm not a big believer that you know you keep secrets of a of an immense nature like that for a long period of time well if they did keep it a secret if that's what the tic-tac thing was that was 2004 yeah yeah it's hard to imagine them having that complex

uh propulsion system it's so alien from what we we currently know yeah and have that 20 years ago and no one hears about it now I know I know and that's that is long time that is the I've been in conversation with some folks who want to do a new series on on new IPs right and you know I keep

coming back to that incident right yeah and favor and and the folks that were involved in those sightings as one of those things right like if I had to you know I because a lot of things can be explained away that one still is a tough one right that's a tough one yeah there were a lot of

eyes on target radars and and the and the wingman and there were there was a lot of things here that just didn't add up the the physical movement of it if all the machinery works if all the sensors work if all the detection equipment all the the if all that stuff is accurate that thing's doing

something that no one's ever even seen oh no absolutely no sign of propulsion system um speed of movement change of direction everything was so bizarre um but that's again what we're what we're looking for and we're moving in eventually we get in that direction right eventually you have

an explainable technology that could create something like that right back then like you said I know maybe yeah it's 2004 yeah so long ago in terms of technology yeah no I know right it sounds crazy but 20 years ago it was a fucking totally different world whether said that exponential

advanced mental technology as you go along and as you create things but which is really crazy if that was ours so if we if we had something like that in 2004 who where what right right right how much money where did you get the smart guys I don't think that would have been the case because

I think that that we wouldn't have heard about it because I think they would have had a a classified briefing with fragrance that you saw nothing don't worry about it you know it's all done that's the case or do you think they allow some talk about it because a lot of the talk is

nutty anyway a lot of these people that believe in you are right yeah I am open-minded about the idea to a certain extent but a lot of these people that they could be telling you bakefoot stories it's like this thing kind of folks there's people that just see shit and it makes it makes their

life way more interesting and then there's there's people that have really seen things I've good friends that have seen things but sorry things yeah you talk about it yeah and I and I grab talked to a couple of pilots that were out in Iraq and they said we were flying nighttime saw shit that

we couldn't explain we had no idea what the fuck it was over the skies of Iraq while we were on a story and so yeah I'm well then it gets to like Tucker Carlson territory he believes they'll experience your beings yeah yeah I'm not sure yeah they're like interdimensional

traffic yeah skin walker ranch and that's true if that's true then the world just got so much weirder imagine us trying to deny that this whole time but that's really what was going on yeah although you know it would help to explain a lot of things maybe and we can at least it wouldn't

seem like we're you know I don't know that yeah I'm not you know me I'm not I'm not a conspiracy theorist I don't believe it because I again I'm going back to your point I don't believe that people can keep secrets for a long period of time right but what about the Kennedy papers

no matter is that okay all right well or the one that I we talked about this before Martin Luther King yeah yeah that's the one that's the one that if if you're gonna really dig in I just you never gonna shift me off the position that there were state local officials federal whatever involved

in that it just doesn't make sense still um do you mind conspiracy is a real exactly yeah it's not from a real oh yeah yeah and it's and it's it's yeah you go back to the UAP thing it'd be insane to say that there's no such thing my favorite one is a Roswell one because of that one's real

yeah roswell crash of year seven yeah yeah yeah yeah I don't know that one I'm not yeah I don't know I don't know it's serious I don't know you're looking at me like you know you just look to me like come on bro you know come on you know you know you wouldn't tell us that's the problem or what I

know you wouldn't you wouldn't be able to yeah but maybe if you wanted to give me more disinformation you give me some nonsense that's a whole there's a whole segment of society out there that believes that I'm just here to to push disinformation right that's my job well you're here is your nice guy

and your smart guy and you actually know what you're talking about and so I don't I know what I read and I go oh my god what does that mean and so I can have you in here and you can explain things from a guy who actually understands the comp you had the best explanation of what's going

on in the Middle East I've heard yet well thank you I appreciate do you mind if I do now on the heels of that do you mind if I do a little shameless market oh do some shameless marketing okay so you know we've got the president's daily brief the podcast and that started up in September it's

done remarkably well despite me being the host yeah and so it's it's every morning every afternoon it's it's we touch on we hit the the top issues critical issues of the day international stories conflicts whatever and because it's done well that's the weekdays that they're going to

launch a weekend version extended weekend version on our YouTube channel so we're going to video so starting Saturday May 18th we're going to take the PDB it's going to still be during the week days on Spotify and all your other podcast platforms but then on Saturday May 18th we start with

this the situation report it'll be an extended version on YouTube with video we're going to have guests and which leads me to my question of how do you interview guests but it's going to be great news commentary we're going to have some very interesting people same idea touching on critical

issues and stories we're going to just stick with the facts we're going to stay away from opinion right which I think is one of the reasons why the PDB has done well is that it's 20 minutes in the morning 10 minutes in the afternoon we hit the facts try to stay away from opinion occasionally

I might you know make some stupid remark but for the most part it's just a little bit of context and then you know you get on your way Bob's your uncle a little bit of personality flavored and with a little person now yeah I try not to inject too much because nobody wants that

but yeah it's good people need to hear these kind of balanced perspectives on things I think it's very important that you provide it because you're actually a person who really understands these conflicts it's because most of us it's the whole idea behind it's so alien like what the

hell's going on over there like it takes so long to try to penetrate to just like go host to who's funding that yeah and then Iran is doing what and then so why do they want that oh there's a chords and what how do what do you chords mean and what happens oh okay yeah well that stuff is

fucking complicated it's hard to find like a singular source we could just sit down and read it all and have it all make sense to you well it's and and I think that's that was the reason why we talked about that that was the reason why I said okay I agreed to do it was because they said look

we want to stick with the news right we want to try to get back to the old days here's the news and again it's always going to there's going to be a little context or analysis in there but for the most part just give people what's happening tell them what's happening don't tell them how to

think about necessarily just tell them what's happening and the the president's daily briefs got a great it's got a great staff you know it's not like I'm you know doing everything I'm just like sort of like the the monkey crashing the symbols together there's a very unfortunate bit

sort of combining of the people that give you the news with people that think they're activists you know or people that think that it's very important that you stick to a very specific narrative and ignore information that's contrary to what your belief system says right well if all you do is

just say here's what's happening right here's what we know is happening right and you don't try to again you don't try to tell people what to think and you don't try to say okay we're going to approach it from a particular point of view and leave out half of what's happening right right yeah

so just and it's like that old thing you know there's there's still some news outlets out there that that do a good job of of just presenting facts but most of them you know like you you know pointed there is most of them are opinion based right and you know if you look at

if you sort of look at the the there's a survey that regularly looks at the news in terms of objectivity right and it changes somewhat and interestingly your your show doesn't change much right it's always kind of it's right up there in terms of because you're not you know other news

outlets disappear off of there or they change position in terms of relative objectivity right but yours has been very consistent but you've got outfits like Fox News or CNN and they'll drop off the radar right because they become nothing but opinion right for a period of time then maybe

they self correct and they realize we need more news we need more facts so they'll come back on the survey and come up higher in terms of relative credibility of actual news so anyway it's it yeah goes back to our original story everybody's got to be a little bit more careful because it's getting

more dangerous out there in terms of disinformation it's it's getting weird it's getting weird when you know we've talked about this before but it's an important number that the this guy who was used to work for the FBI who analyzed Twitter and said he believed that it was as much as 80%

of the more bots seriously yeah I did not see that pulled it up Jimmy it's crazy because he might be right man like there's there's really sophisticated ones well yeah yeah you know there's and then there's ones that are very crude there's ones that is just like a bunch of letters and a

bunch of numbers right and it's someone just retweeting like patriotic things saying we didn't you know okay that I know what that is topside cybersecurity cybersecurity expert claims that more than 80% of Twitter accounts are probably bots and this is 2022 yeah so this was in the process

of Elon buying this all this stuff was going on so that's interesting yeah they were looking at this and they were saying like when did he buy it right that's part of the catalyst I thought because he wanted to find out right right right but they they told him it was 5% I think you mean

I'll do what's his name together ran Twitter yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but I think Elon felt like they didn't base it on enough of an analysis they they based on a small number of accounts I can't imagine it's 80% right I can't imagine it's crazy it does sound insane I'm sure it's higher than

5% sure sounds higher than 5% tweeted Musk along with the tagging the news article okay so Dan Woods global head of intelligence and cybersecurity company f5 who spent more than 20 years of the US federal law enforcement and intelligence organizations told the Australian that more than 80%

of Twitter accounts are probably bots yeah it's somewhere between 25 and 80 if he's even in his halfway right even if it's 50% let's just say 50 40 let's see if he's a 40% crazy right 40% of her bots and then you and that but that is that's probably you're probably getting

to to to accurate because I think just the Chinese alone right in the Russians yeah they invest an enormous amount of resource into this because they know it's effective right and they know how damaging it can be and why wouldn't you right why wouldn't you right and this cyber era you

know it's it's a way to influence people's opinions it really is it's crazy how well it works if you can if you can just get like arguments going on Twitter you know people get engaged in those are they and you do like start a fire and run away from it yeah yeah um can I ask you one more

question yeah uh what is your what would be your best advice for uh interviewing people because like I said we're we're starting this show and it's gonna have guests on it do you have one thing that you've learned over the years in terms of talking to people and getting the best out of what

they say I think it's just a numbers thing I don't think it's one thing I think it's like everything else like you you realize when you're being clunky like I do it all the time I've realized I like yeah I interrupt to do quick like I didn't know like when to step in when not to it happens

all the time yeah and so you always got to like try to get the most out of your guest that's my I my idea when I go into a conversation is I want to talk to and we're gonna talk to each other but I'm just trying to get the most out of you you know I'm trying to encourage what you're saying just like

ask more questions I'm trying to just genuinely engage with what you're saying okay get the most out of you the problem with a lot of people when they host things is generally like you want to talk and so she want to talk you start talking yeah and then sometimes you talk too much and then the

the guest doesn't talk enough and it's like it's a balancing act but I always go into it like with the intention of like whatever this person's doing like help them make it the best version of this discussion that I can provide okay yeah no I know what you mean about the because like you go on

a new show and yeah the question is five minutes yeah and you think okay well that question concludes a lot of the talking points that you producers asked me to send to you so all right then okay no that's yeah that that makes sense those shows are so limited man yeah it's a real problem

because if this is how most people consume complex information the it's too limited there's just your explanation of all the shit that's going on with Gaza and Israel just just that alone that how to take 15 minutes right yeah yeah yeah and you're making these like summaries that are

easily digestible well yeah you and they'll say okay you got you know you got we got 30 seconds left how are they going to solve the problem in Gaza so crazy it's just like that format of a limited amount of time to talk about complex things right in this day and age it just doesn't really make

sense anymore but it's how people I mean whether it's that or whether it's the you know I get my news from TikTok I get my news from X I get no that's the way to get it yeah yeah there's going to be the most honest there's definitely when you find out the difference in American TikTok

and Chinese TikTok oh okay Chinese TikTok is doing it right yeah it's all like science achievements athletic performances martial arts yeah there's no way that she regime would never let their youth get on American TikTok do you think you could be a dude given makeup tutorials and Chinese TikTok

they'll fucking find you they'll find you no it's true and so that's always a thing when I talked to my kids about it and and you know I always tell them don't use TikTok don't get on TikTok you know it's but they're gonna do it they're gonna do it yeah friends are on it yeah

everybody's on it it's crack yeah it is crack those kids are cracked out it's an incredible time suck which again they know right the Chinese regime knows they understand this but but think about TikTok in terms of its disinformation capabilities going into an election right and the White House

has a problem right because the Biden campaign team has been using TikTok and at the same time they're trying to say we shouldn't use TikTok I think it's a danger it's a national security issue but we but we found it very effective for reaching the young market right and so they're they they have

no grounds to stand on when they talk about a national security issue they got a problem they got to figure that one out again that's not to get overly politically good dance and with the devil uh yeah you made a deal with she she sorry but if it's that's a thing is if like this is little dance

they can make you more effective and make your opponents less effective that's a crazy manipulation of the way people think about things and you don't you don't think that that's true but it's just like what what percentage of what side are you getting if you're getting like 80% of your information

that's very specific to one yeah ideology that's not good for anybody and kids aren't thinking about that it's been of aggression right it used to be from the daily show with john stewart that's where people young people getting their news right now they've aged out and now young people are

turning to TikTok and and they're getting their news and they're not thinking okay of course they're not thinking about then I think in the one of the the Chinese regime is is you know constructing this in a certain way but of course they are and of course they understand the and

and that's really the danger people talk about the danger of tiktok is their ability to harvest personal information right and that's a problem to some degree but the bigger problem is 170 million American users of tiktok being vulnerable and reachable by a Chinese regime that does not

have our best interest at heart by any means right so that's the bigger issue I think rather than the harvesting of personal data which Amazon and Google and everybody else how it he has it right they got they got all that shit so it's not you know yes it's a hostile regime and yes they're harvesting your data but you know I think it's more of the I think it's more of the disinformation campaign and the potential for that that is the is the problem with with tiktok because if you can't

control like if you rather if you can control if you can control exactly what percentage of stuff gets out like if someone if you can limit someone's reach like if someone posts something and it's some right wing philosophy and they post that and they immediately tag it as such and limit its reach

but then you take the other one and you expand its reach whatever the contrary position is and you promote it and you push it out everywhere how much of an effect does that have on young people well and that's and that's the whole point of the game anyway is to is you know you're suppressing

and you're promoting and and again you're doing it to an audience for the most part that is very vulnerable yeah and so I yeah I'm again I don't know that they're going to ban tiktok somebody's going to come in and view that as an opportunity by right and I think so they will

be able to sell it even though right now by dance saying absolutely not we're not going to sell it you know I think they I think they probably will right I don't see them banning it from you from app stores so I mean think about the angst that would create amongst the tweens and the

why I think the fear is the language that's being used here though too right that this could be interpreted as the ability to censor other so sure sure yeah yeah and that you really can't give the government that power especially based on what they saw on the Twitter files yeah yeah you can't

okay press yeah if you're if you're looking at suppress accurate information because you don't like well but what you think that's going to do for an election like that doesn't seem like you should be able to do that yeah this this seems like that's that should be that that's not good don't do that

if you develop that's our organization that is allowed to do that to all of social media by law you're you're in territory that's real slippery now because it's just so right for corruption right and it always goes back to this which you talked about before which is this idea that

well okay if one president can do this to you know another former president and the next one goes the next one goes and it's the same problem right hey it maybe sounds good to us right now to to censor something or to suppress something but we're not going to be in charge forever unless

they figured that out how they can be in charge forever it's so dangerous it's so dangerous that it's it's so ubiquitous it's so everywhere and you don't know how much of what people are seeing is being manipulated right right well again you know not to not to beat a dead horse but

you know if people could take away one idea it's that you gotta it's incumbent upon you and you know whether it's for you or whether it's for the sake of your kids to be curious and to actually make the fucking effort to understand what it is that you're seeing and reading and hearing and yes it

takes time and you know maybe it sounds daunting and you'd rather have the government do it right but that's that's that's not a good idea right I think it comes down to individual responsibility like a lot of things in life and I don't know that I'm optimistic about that as being the solution

but I don't see another way around it right I mean you we can detect we can we can create apps to protect and be proactive you can do all those things which are incredibly important but ultimately comes down to the individual and if they don't take it upon themselves yeah to go back to earlier

a point then you know we'll fucked yeah well I have hope look at you look at you glass half full I'm a half full kind of guy this day I feel like that's because you got kids it's also because I know that most people are good people and that I think people get swept up and

madness and I think they get swept up and tribalism and that's a real problem with someone that's as polarizing as Trump right yeah and it's a real problem because you have to accept the nonsense that Biden is okay if you're on the left like both of them are like they lock up like the fucking

dolphins versus the Raiders and people get on teams man they're like fuck the dolphins yeah that's what it is it's just people people get super fucking tribal it's in our nature we have to fight to avoid it yeah and the more extreme that you get on one side the more extreme the other side gets

and they because they think look and again you get this this notion that I'm saving the country one side or the other right both sides the hard edges of both sides feel like they're the ones that are trying to save the country yeah they have to win just like they want the Yankees to win

oh my god it's really like that it becomes the number one team it's the biggest sport and you know that's why it's important to have a big personality it's part of the whole stupidity of it all and AI is going to save us from that you think that yeah you don't believe you don't believe that

you know much better government it's going to be a much better government it won't even be controlled at all by people hey but it runs on its own algorithm that it created after it realized the flaws in the way human beings are processing reality do you know what the US government's trying

to do right now then trying to get China and Russia to sign up to an agreement essentially an international treaty that would ensure that AI does not alone run nuclear weapons systems right and there's no treaty that prevents that right now there's no treaty that that prevents

taking the humans out of that decision making process oh my god so I mean the Russians did during the Soviet Union days with that yeah they're going to be playing like some kind of crazy world war chess yeah yeah yeah super computers yeah but right now that's it the US has committed to

this idea that we're not going to take the human out but the Russians and Chinese have not then no one's going to commit to that why don't you commit to the best weapon of all time you already said that these fighter pilots exactly can't compete with these things that are AI

controlled that's nuts yeah it's it's it's it's a problem I was about to say there's a statement of the obvious top gun three is fucked what are they going to do I did not see top gun three gonna do I didn't see top gun two well you're on American sir did you watch it I watched a little

bit of it that was fun it was fun I just can I wasn't in the mood locking my that vibration I know I know I know it was fun kind of movie though you know it was it was a one time for me it was top gun was a kind of a one time top gun was fuck yeah great it was a great movie yeah it's great

goose yeah yeah yeah but and I I will say I'm very impressed with Carl he I haven't heard him snore yeah he's kept it together today got he's a cute dog he's cute as yeah all right all right man anything else no man I I love the shit out of us I'm sorry about that I do but again we have

hope this is always a pleasure man I just I love this and and you know I've said it before but you know the time flies by sit down you think I don't know I don't know if I've got enough to say and in the time here and and you always you know yeah you always take it someplace like the Kendrick Lamar thing I still still fucking worried about that yeah I hope they hugged out all right thank Mike I've been shaking people bye