#2143 - Tulsi Gabbard

The Joe Rogan Experience by Joe Rogan Park Gas by Night All Day Cheers, here we go. I feel great. I know. I feel great. It was awesome right? It was great. It's a great way to get the days started. It was perfect actually. We do these the comedian boot camps. Today we did it with a son and Derek and Shane Schengels and we have fun. You get to work out and you talk a lot of shit and you get silly. It's really fun. It's like real silly. We have a good time.

Thanks for the invite. It was pleasure. I've been on the road for weeks. If you're lucky you get a decent hotel gym. You've got to be really creative. Most of them the best they'll have are dumbbells and that's it. I just realized you're the second celebrity to do that with us and the second Hawaiian. There's something going on. Someone cried here. Something going on with the Hawaiian. We'll have to figure out. Max Holloway is Hawaiian and someone too.

He didn't work out though. Max, last time who's here he was just off of his win. He gets a break after that. Wow. It takes some time. I was telling you like the sauna. I am definitely like from the islands because I'm okay with heat. So 20 minutes in the sauna was good. It was challenging but it was good. The cold however. That ice bath. I've done that like a quick polar punch briefly jumping in jumping out but.

That one was at the lowest setting in terms of the jets of water. So what we have is called a blue cube and blue cube is the type of cold plunge that has a. It has an engine in it that you can turn on the higher higher levels of waves. So if you turn it like to the highest level it's just rushing at you like a river. Is that better or worse? Horrible. It's horrible. You never develop a thermal barrier.

Okay. So if you can just like cold all cold water immersion is very good for you. It's good for cold chalk proteins, norip, an effron, mood, stabilization. Makes you feel better. All those things are good but the still cold is much more tolerable for whatever. I don't know what's better for you. Is it better? Is it just as good and more tolerable? Or is it better to be more to suffer for the full three minutes?

Because if you turn that bitch on. Suffer more. Is the benefit proportional to the suffering? Yeah. I'm not sure. I'm not sure if you suffer more if you get more benefit or if there's a point where you're actually hurting your body. Right. Maybe there's a point. I mean obviously if you stay in the cold water too long you'll die. That's what hypothermia is. Yeah. So but there's a level where if you just get a few minutes in it's really good for you.

So I don't know if it's better if you're miserable. Yeah. Right. I don't know. But if you want to test your mind that blue cube is the one to do because that sucker gets fast. That sucker gets like a river. So you just laying in there and it's like salt of cold water. The moment it sucks when you climb in that moment never changes. That's the difference because in a regular cold plunge after a while you develop like this thermal barrier and even though it sucks.

It only sucks like 80% of what it sucked when you first got in. Yeah. With the blue cube it's 100% sucked. Every time you suck, suck, suck, suck. So it sounds like you got to try it at least once. Yeah. And figure it out. We did the just doing it the way you did it for three minutes. Like I said the first time I did I did like a minute and 24 seconds.

I couldn't chicken out in front of all the guys. You know what I mean? It's like when his son says, well I did it three minutes to show up for the rocks. I'm not going to be the one who chickens out at a minute. That's not an option. Well you did it. You did it. No, it was good. It was good. It was very challenging. It was good.

We don't have a cold plunge. I'm not going to go in like fine bags of ice every single day from 7-11 and dump in the bathtub. So I just when I can I just like dump my face in ice cubes and water. That's good too. Yeah. I mean that'll wake you up. Yeah. All that stuff's good. There's some pretty recently priced options for coolers that you could actually do in a bathtub now.

There's a bunch of different ways to do it. But if you got the scratch like one of these blue cubes or something similar. Yeah. A little moroscow makes a really good one too. They're really good. Yeah. I can see I can see how that feel the after feeling gets kind of addictive. I'm sure someone will reach out to you. Try try to get you to use their shit. It's very good though. Yeah. But it's that's also like the camaraderie the fun for sure.

We have fun. Listen music for sure. Laugh a lot. Exactly. Yeah. This is perfect. Yeah. It's a good way to get a podcast started. Yeah. Oh, by the way, congratulations to the marijuana. Enjoyers of the world because the DEA officially rescheduled marijuana to they're going to reschedule the schedule three. Wow.

Which still it should it shouldn't be illegal. Yes. I agree. But baby steps. Yeah. The fact that it's making progress at all just shows that the collective will of the people is being heard at least somewhat.

There was I'm trying to remember who it was somebody was telling me that like the decriminalization crew they gave an American flag made out of hemp to a member of Congress to fly above the Capitol because it's a normal thing like you know I would get people when I was in Congress calling and saying hey it's

you know my friend is retiring for the military from 30 years can you fly a flag in honor of him or her and so you get a little certificate with it and and this like there are many flags that go up and down every day that are given as gifts to people. So someone did it with flag American flag made out of hemp and apparently it caused major problems within the DEA and within the administration saying how dare you how could anyone allow this to happen.

It made zero sense whatsoever but it just pointed to the backwards mindset and thinking and the sensitivity within the DEA and the government around cannabis hemp marijuana. It just seems a massive lack of education to it's not as simple as you know you're thinking of it in connection to marijuana.

It's hemp is a commodity that has existed forever in fact canvas that writers paint on or that painters artist paint on that the original word canvas came from cannabis it was made out of hemp they made hemp paper is a better paper they they made hemp clothing yeah it's far superior to cotton the only reason why they this is where it gets weird it has there's there's a bunch of things that took place that

took hemp away from being a common source of paper and clothing but one of them was making slavery illegal because before they came out with the decorticator with the primary way they used to process hemp fiber was really painstaking because it's a it's an incredible plant yeah it's a very light plant but it's insanely durable like hemp clothing is so much more

door like I have a hemp jujitsu ghee from that's or okay and that sucker never rips my cotton keys they're good for like you know you wear for like six months a year they're going to shit starts going even like really strong stable cotton thread

start going these hemp geese are like they're invincible it's crazy and hemp paper is so difficult to tear it's like a completely different kind of pay makes no sense yeah it's an amazing rope it's like you could use it to make concrete they make hemp if you seen that with the make houses with it yeah my my dad is a state senator and Hawaii is the chair of the agriculture committee and for years he's been the states biggest advocate for hemp as an economic driver

and to try to help revive agriculture in Hawaii and so he's talked endlessly about the houses and just everything all of the different benefits of hemp he's got some hemp aloha shirts and and the whole deal the this this thing that you're talking about though the the federal government and the classification is the biggest barrier to this actually becoming a really viable and thriving industry in our country

because people are growing crops of of hemp but they've got to go through all of this crazy THC testing and I've talked to people who are who are farmers and business people are investing in this and they've had to throw like entire crops away because of I don't know the details about the testing but it's it just you know one plus one doesn't equal to when you look at the reality of the benefit this episode of the Joe Rogan experience is brought to you by call of duty you know

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sound like it's very valuable as a commodity yes is what so it's so stupid this this whole thing is stupid because we're always concerned about and rightly so about cutting down forest to make paper right right well guess what hemp paper you can grow an entire first of all it's much more viable you have much more product it's much more durable and you can regrow it quick exactly it just grows right back again whereas trees takes years

to grow them back hemp you got another season whoop okay here's a plan grows crazy fast super light super durable yeah just got to think about it as a commodity and stop connecting it to marijuana exactly you're going well this is

invaluable because this could solve a lot of our problems especially with deforestation and then if you look at it for building materials like we this might be the greatest building material we can use it's incredible insulation it's very durable and strong and again renewable like instantaneously it grows so

quick yeah what's what's interesting I mean for us in Hawaii I mean what tourism is the biggest economic driver we have and every time there's you know in the post 9-11 when people weren't traveling so much during COVID when everything shut down businesses go out of business small businesses are driven out because if they don't have that driver so the conversation always comes up about okay well we've got a diversifier economy and this is one of those areas that has huge potential for a small island state like ours in Hawaii and what

interesting is Mitch McConnell I believe he's from Kentucky their state is also a state that is promoting hemp as a major agriculture driver so there there's opportunity there but it requires a lot more education from those both in the administration and in Congress to actually take down those barriers and allow it to actually truly be an industry in America when we start first started selling hemp protein and on it we

used to get it from Canada you can sell in America can't grow it here is like what is just food is just hemp seeds it's really good for you full of the meal acids and rich and protein and they're like now can't grow it that's it's illegal you know what's nuts to is is the military people who are on active duty in the military they can't put hemp seeds in their smoothie they can't use any CBD bomb that you can buy at the

freaking gas station or anything at all because the bomb yeah CBD bomb anything that has your your energy drink that has CBD yeah clif cannot not allow you you could you could seriously get punished so they cut are they test and blood for CBD

they they're not testing blood for CBD so it's just illegal so if you get caught with the product if you get caught the product correct and that their fear is like you're going to piss hot because you know you you take the you know random your analysis tests and everything else but it so so the I

laughed you know I mean again it's lack of education it's fear and it's like well this is bound by the federal government so the military must comply but at the same time the guy within the army the civilian who was putting out this policy he also said you're

not allowed to eat anything with poppy you can't eat a poppy seed muffin I was gonna bring out my piss hot this one you will yeah you will like you go to Dubai you know if you go places where it's like seriously strict Saudi Arabia they'll test you for heroin it'll you'll test positive for heroin yeah on real poppy seeds are rough that's scary one it's like wait a minute big old poppy seeds those things are you piss hot for heroin 11 poppy seed muffin what they tell you if you

go in for drug tests do not eat poppy seeds before you go it's crazy what bagels right that is your test right that that's the point yeah how about your test technology biology like all this stuff you guys can get better test a bagel it's so stupid you're gonna put somebody cage for eating a bagel yeah but like for a guy in the military that could be the end of your freaking career you could be kicked out for yeah yeah and you know just being at a party and

people are smoking yeah and you know you get second hand smoke you know just positive yeah you know that those those tests are probably pretty rough because people definitely get high from second hand smoke I've seen it happen before I've seen sober people going to a room that's filled with pot and

everyone comes out like a little loopy like you're breathing in the same air you breathing in pot here I just have a dog that I got she was a stray and she was a little prone to anxiety as it is and if she was in the room when people smoke pot she would get high and she'd get paranoid she started

high number tables I was like oh Lucy who's that not good you can get the chill factor she's like the world is dangerous you know she's still live on the street man so it's just uh I guess it's a good thing that they've scheduled it schedule three but for sure forget about the

drug part they should be encouraging hemp production in this country it's it's an amazing food source hemp has all of the essential amino acids it's very rich in protein it's easily digestible as far as like plant based protein for me is my favorite one yeah and the easiest one to digest

like it's just like easy goes down smooth there's no problem at all and you know it's it's very good for you yeah and CBD is very good for you but forget about all that just just for a commodity and for building construction and clothing you know the first draft the declaration of

independence was written on hemp I've heard that yeah yeah like it was it was used for everything yeah it was used for ropes for for sailboats yeah they made sails out of it all that's the canvas those all made out of canvas initially it was all hemp it's just it's just I mean I introduced

legislation in Congress to deschedule it completely because it shouldn't be well why this thing is how it happened in the first place the wilds thing how it happened in the first place is because it was all William Randolph Hearst and Harry Anslinger and so what happened was William Randolph Hearst

who owned Hearst publications he also owned not just newspapers but he owned paper mills and he owned forests so he had all these forests that they would cut down the wood and use it to make paper well he if if they were going to transfer over to hemp this is going to be very costly

and the cover of popular science magazine and I think it was 19 third find out what year that cover was it says hemp the new billion dollar crop because they came up with a new machine and it was called a decoorticator and this new device was a device that allows you to effectively process the

hemp fiber in a much quicker and easier way so it's this machine it grinds it up and so once they do this they go oh boy we figured out we they've solved this problem of hemp or it's really it's very durable but it's really difficult to break down to the actual fibers so 1938 oh wow so this

comes out in 1938 hemp the new billion dollar crop and so it's the cover of popular science magazine do you see do they have the cover so you could see what it says it's just an article today about this somewhere oh wow popular mechanics magazine I'm sorry so so the articles from 1938 and so

when they come out with this they talk about this new invention see if you could find a photo of the decoorticator because it's like this grindy kind of thing is that what looks like hemp the new billion dollar crop so once they had this ability to really quickly turn it into fibers then

big industry starts getting involved and what what they start doing is they start making these stories and putting them in the newspaper about Mexicans and black people smoking this new drug called marijuana and raping white women and marijuana was not pop marijuana was a wild Mexican tobacco it

was a slang for a wild Mexican tobacco yeah they had nothing to do with marijuana so they started attaching this name to something and calling it a drug because they knew that cannabis was so ubiquitous and hemp as a as a commodity was everybody knew it what what it was good for right and so

they had to come up with some sneaky way to get it through so they come up with the word marijuana so marijuana was not a term for pot it wasn't a term for cannabis it was a term for this wild Mexican tobacco and so when they started making marijuana illegal congress didn't even understand

that it was the same thing as hemp and so they had to come up with some sort of attack stamp that you can have in order to grow hemp while marijuana is illegal and then this is like right after prohibition right right so prohibition ends you got all these cops that were used to

bust and people like sick them on the farmers now exactly and this is what happened exactly and then they come up with these dopey movies that are amazing to watch today have you ever seen reefer madness mm-hmm it's crazy it's like people smoking pot just jumping out of windows and

killing people it's like it has this guy smoking pot talk about some propaganda oh it's the worst propaganda but it was really effective like this is it i've got a few of these uh posters we're here that i have them i have them framed oh my god because these movies were insane and they were

just wow propaganda crime sorrow hate shame despair find the movie find a clip from the movie reefer madness we'll just watch it without playing it but it's it was so nutty and they scared everybody yeah oh my god oh my god oh my god so understand that media has sucked forever yeah exactly

just understand that so this is reefer madness at the local soda fountain innocently they dance so that dude on the piano he's a reefer man lurking behind closed doors manawana the burning weed when it's roots in hell look at him in this film you will see the ease with which this vicious plan can be grown in your neighbor's yard rolled into harmless looking cigarettes hidden in an innocent shoe or watch case in this startling film you will see

upstairs lower children to destruction we're going over to those plays why don't you come along we have a day could play a set of devil or you can play any time come on without some last can i go along with you sure hey i'll see you dinner if you want a good smoke try one of these in slavery

smoking the soul destroying reefer they find a moment's pleasure but at a terrible price the boss is a violent murder oh wow look she's gonna jump out the window oh my gosh geez apparently it makes you act terrible too you're right terrible at acting play faster you she's actually playing pretty good for someone who's stoned yeah you know imagine being hammered and try to play that oh my gosh yeah so this was the propaganda from and what year was that Jamie 36 wow

wow this is all they're all like trying to stop hemp as a commodity wow that's really what's all about yeah it's really not about it fascinating just to see just you know the repetition of the the propaganda information warfare to be able to serve a special interest

yeah it's ridiculous and it's ridiculous that it's a moment in fear and yeah and that it was going on almost a hundred years ago and what's also important about it is the problem with something like that is that now you don't trust the media right now if you don't trust the media and then you go out and try it yourself you don't have real accurate information because now there's like this there's these narratives that have been created that aren't based on truth

and so you don't know where to go you know what's real and what's not and then you have people to tell you it's harmless and then you have people tell you this people like me they go me because I'm like it's not harmless yeah it's not marijuana is not a harmless thing you definitely shouldn't take it when you're young and here's what's really important some people can't handle it for whatever reason and it's most likely some biological thing

just like some people are allergic to aspirin or whatever like there's some people they don't mix well with that stuff and there's a real connection between schizophrenia with some people that maybe are percept susceptible to schizophrenia Alex Baronson wrote a great book about it called Tell Your Children it's very interesting because there's real instances of people taking high doses and getting schizophrenia yeah but if we for being lied to about it

no one knows what who did right who's gonna give me the information where's the truth coming out because there if one group is saying that this is a schedule one chemical and it's very dangerous and then all your friends are just smoking we didn't go to the movies

like well can't clearly this is not that dangerous yeah like Jiu Jitsu people and surfers they're all getting highly yeah what's real here yeah and because we don't have the ability to just honestly talk about things without everything getting so weird and like like the hemp thing yeah having a hemp flag right like this is a problem with the DEA like guys yeah don't you have fentanyl to worry about why you fucking with flags seriously it makes

it's only 10,000 D.A. just yeah I think there's 10,000 100 some D.A. just you're you guys got time for flags yeah how many pounds of fentanyl is coming through that border while we're talking yeah well you and I are

talking how much fentanyl is making it across and people's shoes and underwear and where the fuck their height man yeah no one's checking everybody yeah no it's true it's and then of course all all the medicinal qualities of CBD as well and how many people and kids and and just people are benefiting

yeah yeah well Dave Foley told me that he his arthritis was so bad that his his fingers were kind of like locked in this position he had a really hard time straightening him till he started taking CBD and he's like it's so much better now wow just like my fingers have full range of motion though yeah I know so many people that take it for like aches and pains and and it actually helps some people with anxiety too which

is interesting the conflict here is as you know you know as majority of states in the country have legalized it in some fashion whether it's medicinal or recreational or whatever all these different levels but because of the federal prohibition essentially you know you've got banking you it is a

multi I don't know multi hundred million dollar industry at least at this point but in order to be able to conduct business with the bank the bank and the business owner faces potential a potential federal charge yeah of a crime and so it's you know the the second third fourth order of

effects of this scheduling of cannabis is is very very far reaching and and creating a worst problem which you know is you know okay would so you do this on the black market is this just become a cash industry or where does this go yeah and the problem also is by having some states have

it legal and some states have it illegal then you still open up a market for illegal sales in the country and what happens is the cartel comes in right and they start growing it on public lands I had a guy on the podcast name is John Norris and he started off as a game warden so he started

off as a guy who's gonna check fishing licenses and stuff and one day they find that a stream has been diverted and they're trying to figure out why why this stream is dried up so they make their way up the stream and they find these this irrigation system is set up for an illegal marijuana grow

up in the middle of public land one California so then they develop a tactical team so it goes from being him being a game warden now they have dogs and bulletproof vests are getting in shootouts with the cartel so they're because they're making millions of dollars but they're using

really dangerous chemicals and pesticides that are illegal to use on crops in America right and they're just using that shit up there so who knows what the fuck you're getting if you're living in one of these states that has illegal pot yeah because when California changed the law

and made marijuana legal recreationally they made growing marijuana without a license it's just a misdemeanor so these guys that are just doing it now from the cartel they're like this is you have nothing to risk right you're just it's a misdemeanor and we can make millions and

millions of dollars yeah and so they have these guys up there they have like you know rosaries and all this like photos of Jesus and shit they find in campgrounds and they they pay these guys to go out there grow this stuff and then bring it out harvest it and bring it out and they're selling it

he said that I think believe John said at the time of our podcast that 90% of all the marijuana that's being sold in the states where it's illegal is all from these grow ups a lot of them in California on public land by the cartels 90% yeah 90 that's huge even good old fashioned American pot

growing entrepreneurs the illegal ones they keep up with the cartel and this is because it's illegal and this is the same reason why fentanyl's coming in the same I mean don't do heroin kids okay but it should you can't if you keep everything illegal you're gonna just prop up the government of

these companies or these countries that is allowing this stuff to come in and they're allowing people to grow it or they can't do anything about it because the cartel has so much money and so much power that the government is basically helpless and you're it's being propped up by

Americans at 100 percent 100 percent it's a it's a rough thing to deal with because we don't want to say let's make all drugs legal because my god the last thing you want is your kid to die of a drug over there so nobody wants ever kids to be doing drugs right but also if you don't do that

you're just gonna empower our neighbors to the south who happen to be drug dealers some of them and they they they're making billions of dollars some drugs to America yeah and you're killing kids at a rate higher than ever in recorded history people are dying there's a hundred thousand

plus people every year that are dying from opioid overdoses yeah which is nuts yeah that's so much it's crazy that it's happening here in the United States America and the thing is it's it's this is where it's hard it's happening because it's illegal which sounds so counterintuitive

it would the problem is if it was legal there would be a long period of time or it'd be really bad Robinhood is introducing forecast contracts so you can trade the presidential election through Robinhood you can now trade financial derivatives contracts on who will win the US

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election you know I think if it was legal too many people would try it that wouldn't try it wouldn't have otherwise yeah they're not going to go to a drug deal yeah but if they can just go to the CVS right and buy heroin like let's see what the fuss is all about yeah you know that's

spooky I think that this this is the conversation that needs to be had though you know what I mean it's I mean it's the same thing about people unwilling to even discuss what what is the right path how do we how do we handle this this crisis that is a national crisis yeah that's so many people's

lives tell people not to do it yeah right I don't know how well that that works out it doesn't work it doesn't work in it's that's we're in a weird spot I was in San Diego a few weeks ago we went out kind of to to film a little mini documentary about what's happening at the border in San Diego

there's a lot of attention being put on you know Texas and Arizona but California's border is a whole different dynamic both because they've got you know a long stretch of border where you're you're crossing in and you're going straight to mountains you know big open spaces but then you've

got the very dense urban corridor I suppose where people whether they're coming in through the water they're just coming across the border where they can disappear into neighborhoods very quickly but what was there there's a few things that were very eye-opening and interesting number one is

we we know that the borders are open because we know how many people are coming through the numbers that are being reported I think it's close to nine million now just over the course of the Biden administration what I saw there were people coming in and we were just driving around and we saw

groups of people gathering in different locations from all over the world illegal immigrants and seemingly happy and going to the place where they were told to go or they knew that border patrol was going to pick them up and knowing that they will get processed claim asylum and most of them

will be out with the plane ticket anywhere in the country within 24 hours and so it's crazy it's you know and I've talked to some of the border patrol agents and you know they're they're not allowed to say anything on the record but just the frustration that's being felt where they can't even

do their job what is the justification for the plane ticket they don't have the they don't have the ability to house people where they are so just like where do you want to go is it up okay here you go where do you want to go New York City and I went and I talked to a lot of them I sat down

talked with people from Brazil from Egypt from Colombia from Venezuela from you know different parts of Eastern Europe people from all over the world coming here with with the known plan in this well oiled machine and I'm talking about this because it is very directed to the cartels

directly connected to the cartels who are being enabled in their multi-billion dollar human trafficking operation across the border by our policies by the Biden administration's policies at the border which is connected to their ability to move fentanyl and other drugs across the border

and so we spent a couple of days at the border there and then went into the city of San Diego and went and started talking to some homeless people and and talking to people who were clearly clearly extremely high on multiple drugs and we're walking around with one of the community relations

police officers there who's just playing clothes he's walking around and keeping an eye on what's going on there but we talked to this one guy who had a crack pipe in his hand he seemed barely conscious but we had a he was engaging in a long conversation with us and you know I was asking

him about fentanyl and he's like oh yeah I take fentanyl sometimes but I usually take it at night to help me go to sleep or ask like aren't you afraid of not waking up like he's like yeah I've had a lot of friends who died from fentanyl but I know how much to take and I know how to manage it

and have you have you he's like yeah I almost died twice and I was revived but and then asking him the police officer asked him what would it take to get you off the street what would it take to get you to a place where you can get some help and and to get off drugs and he said he's 27 year old guy

nothing nothing he said there's too many rules in the places where I could go and stay and I want to live my life this way it was so heartbreaking to see him you know his eyes were barely open and and clearly in an altered state of mind but even in that state in this conversation how do you

how do you help someone who doesn't want to be helped you can't it's the problem I mean you could talk to them you could hope that they could get some information from you that shifts the way they think about things but the addiction gets so deep yeah and there's this thing that some

addicts will say is that I feel better when I'm high that it's the only time I feel good it's the only thing good that I have in my life is when I get high and if you take that away my life is terrible and if you've been an addict for a long time the longer you're an addict in

fact the more that's true right because the more your life is a wreck and then you're forced to deal with it when you come off and you realize like oh my god I'm 45 years old and I'm a heroin addict like what the fuck how is this exactly and then now you're sober and your life is in

shambles and you try to like figure out how did you go so wrong and then the only thing that made you feel good was heroin you want to go back you want to go back to that and it's also people like get really scared of success even success in staying sober they get scared of doing things well

and they seek comfort and failure because they've they've become accustomed to failure so if they the pressure of doing well and of like staying sober and like keep and healthy like it's almost too much yeah just just the maintaining the psychological the anxiety all the fear that comes

with failing that you just want to fail just so you could just feel comfortable again because then you you don't have no pressure yeah you don't have to deal with the pressure yeah it's scary the human mind is so susceptible to so many different things whether it's cults or addictions or

you know I mean we're very weirdly vulnerable to a lot of like very strange things and a lot of these things I think a lot of the mental issues are accentuated by social media I think that they exacerbate them badly yeah I think there's a lot of undiagnosed mentally ill people that are

just killing themselves by being online all the time yeah I believe it I really do I think it's terrible for you yeah yeah I mean it's so easy to get sucked into it it's so easy and people that are like arguing with people constantly on my god you what a terrible waste of time yeah when

that becomes your reality dealing with people and perceptions and you know measuring yourself yeah whatever you're seeing and all of it and and you you slip out of the real world in building real relationships and friendships and having real conversations yeah they they're comparing too

the comparing is something that you and I didn't have to grow up with exactly and we're very very fortunate because especially young girls today and Jonathan hates work on this has been really interesting his book the cobbling of the American mind is a great one and it's all about what you could see like exactly when social media is invented all this self harm and all the suicidal thoughts suicidal ideation and suicide all goes up for girls and it's comparing themselves doesn't surprise me

yeah absolutely it's such a bizarre thing that a person can get super duper famous or just dancing on an app that goes online and then they make millions of dollars and they're like your age and you're like what's wrong with me I'm a lou you can't just leave your life and hang out with your

friends yeah everyone is an constant comparison with impossible people that shouldn't even exist and then you and then you add in the the layer of AI onto that where you have complete you've got videos and pictures of people who are a digital construct just that people are paying to talk to

them right there's this guy they found this they were doing this study on AI girlfriends where people have like interactions with AI this guy was spending ten thousand dollars a month on his AI girlfriend oh my gosh I just could get that guy they just gotta find them if they just find that

guy they can talk that guy into anything if you're willing to get you're gonna get an AI girlfriend ten thousand bucks a month yeah you'll join the monies you'll you'll be in whatever comes along grabs you son you're vulnerable yeah they'll get you but that's you know you look at what's

happening on on college campuses across the country right now it speaks exactly to that that that vulnerability of of being manipulated or you know sold in ideology and then grabbing onto it as though you you now have a sense of purpose yeah that's the problem the sense of purpose is

like so attractive to people that there's so many kids that want to be like so righteous and they just want to like criticize and yell at other people who don't feel the same way they do and so it like you're seeing these Israel versus Palestine things on school campuses and like my god

which brings me to this is an interesting thought like what are your what's your opinion on this potential tick-tock ban I oppose it I oppose it on the grounds of of free speech and civil liberties you know this is you speaking of fomenting fear this is one of those pieces of

legislation that's you know if you just read the talking points for those who support it and it's supported by many people in Congress on both sides of the aisle you think like oh my gosh we've got a national security risk and you've got concern for our kids and all of this other stuff

but when you actually read the language and understand the implications of what this legislation does it's not really about tick-tock at all it's about government being able to choose what platforms are acceptable and what are not and what we as Americans are able to either get

information from or put information out and then you look at okay well if they're giving themselves that authority how will it then be enforced then you get into the civil liberties concern of the Fourth Amendment of government overreach and trying to figure out okay well now I'm

gonna have to look into your phone and figure out if you're the guy who's using the VPN to illegally download this app then you're looking at you know the the designation is that if you have 20% or more ownership stake or stake in a business that has been designated by our government to be illegal

because of its association with a foreign adversary there are a few countries listed there but the president would have the power to designate any other country of foreign adversary without any kind of you know congress wouldn't have to take actions it's a it's a unilateral move

you are also implicated if you are someone who the government determines to be influenced by or connected with one of these countries that is a foreign adversary and so you know Elon Musk has talked about this it is not outside of the realm of the the not only possible but the probable that

if they wanted to say okay well you know Elon Musk is doing business with this country that we don't like and oh he also owns this platform called X X should be shut down because of this association uh the the writing Ron Paul said it best when he said that this legislation is the most and

I'm paraphrasing but he said it's the most egregious violation of civil liberty since the Patriot Act was passed in the wake of 9-11 and when you look at the arguments that are being made around both of those pushes they are they are very eerily similar in in invoking national security

concerns and the language and the way that's written is intentionally vague that puts far more power into the hands of the executive branch just like the Patriot Act did two single handedly say well this is a good guy and this is a bad guy and that has a direct implication on Americans and wasn't there another recent thing that passed that allows more observation of people through cell phones?

Yes yes and and both of these things were actually wrapped up into that that same bill that was the same bill they lumped together a whole bunch of different things they were they were separate previously but uh the thing that the tiktok ban was lumped together with was the bill

that would reinstate or extend the uh FISA authorities the Foreign Intelligence Security Act authorities for another two years section 702 of FISA gives our government the authority to surveil foreign actors essentially to try to identify terrorist threats but part of that is they

have the ability to capture all of the conversations if you talk to somebody in another country that they're interested in they can then go in and capture all of your information as an American citizen and they can do this without a warrant this has been in place for quite some time

but this legislation that was just passed recently expanded those authorities so they can go and actually look at like your your Wi-Fi uh history if you're connected to Wi-Fi they can look at everything that you did connected to that Wi-Fi signal and and in some other ways it's it's

it took an already bad problem and made it many many times worse and again they're just saying well it's for national security the problem here is that's the thing they always say that's the thing they always say and and it's like you know the I think it was Benjamin Franklin who said if

you know if you are choosing security over liberty you will neither be secure nor will you have liberty that's not an actual quote but that's basically the point here and that's the false choice that so many of these politicians are are forcing on the American people is you can either

be less free and more safe or you can be more free and oh by the way you're going to invite more terrorist attacks or more national security uh incursions on our country and it's just it's just BS it is BS it's also very un-American it is here's the problem with government overreach the

government is just people yeah that's the problem like you know if if you thought of them as something other than a three-letter name like DEA CIA and I say just a bunch of people yeah you would go well why is this like the DEA why is this 10,000 people telling all these other people

what to do that sounds crazy there's way more than the nor of us if it was just in this room and Jamie turns out to be the cop and he says hey I'm gonna put you to in prison because I heard you like hemp yeah Jamie fuck off that's crazy but if if it's a government agency with a three-letter

name you'll like oh there's the government right the government is just human beings and there's just a natural inclination that people in power have is to try to gain more power yes rich people want to get richer hot people want to get hotter like this what it is you know it's like everybody

wants to improve yeah and the governments they're in the business of telling you what to do and they want to be better at that business yeah and the best way is to be able to like constantly be able to surveil everything you say and do right and and again it goes no and and this is the problem

this is the problem is that you know every elected official swears and oath to support and defend the constitution yet as we saw with this most recent example they are so ready to undermine our Fourth Amendment rights in the constitution in the name of national security and I know some of

them are doing it with with good intention but with without actually considering that the challenge and responsibility of those in government and those who have this power is to strike that correct balance between ensuring that our liberties and our constitutional rights are

protected you you swear an oath to do this when you when you take this job while also ensuring okay well we can do both and we must do both we can be safe and secure and also be able to live free without worrying about every time you pick up your phone or you make a phone call wondering

if the government is surveilling us and then you you add on to that what's happening now where you know like January 6 for example I was working out in the gym Marine Corps gym and Hawaii down the street from our house bumped into a guy who I met it's a long story but I met him when

the rocks stunt double was getting his traditional Samoan tattoo and it's a whole ceremony it was a seven day thing and so this other guy is Samoan we met became friends I saw him in the gym and he's with his 14 year old son how's it going this and that he's like oh the FBI just came to my house

out in La Ia small rural community on the island of Oahu like what's going on it's like yeah they came and knocked on my door because he said I took my son to go and witness democracy so they were part of those thousands of people who were out there on the lawn of the Capitol and they they didn't

arrest them they didn't charge him with anything but but how is it how is it that you know years later years later they go and find this guy in his family in a rural Mormon community in La Ia in Hawaii they're capturing all of the data of people whose whose cell phones were pinging within the that

vicinity yes during that period of time not only on January 6 and they are continuing to widen that net looking at flight records and who bought tickets and who booked hotels and and all of this stuff for what you're going to go the FBI is going to go and investigate people who showed up

there on the lawn on the Capitol you look at what they're and this is this is my thing it's it's it is absolutely scare tactics so we look at the power of the government and how they're now turning on the American people for political reasons we can see where even the best of intentions with some

of these pieces of legislation can lead to the very worst places what to speak of the fact that we have limited resource and limited people yeah what are they not investigating you talked about the DEA what what about the FBI and all these millions of people are coming across our border

are they tracking who they are no they're not are they tracking where they're going no they're not we have no idea people coming from the Middle East and Asia and Eastern Europe and Venezuela gang members like all of this stuff is happening right before our very eyes and they're going

in knocking on my friend's door in La Ia because he brought his 14 year old son to Washington DC that week and here's the question um was the FBI there how many how many people were there and how come they don't have to answer that exactly they don't say why not be transparent also they should be

there like the government should be there in case some shit goes sideways right that's I'm so I'm sure they're there but are some of the agents not good just like some dentist suck some of the agents not good and are some of the agents encouraging people to go in because that could be true too

because if we look at what happened with the governor of Michigan yeah right there was a Michigan the Minnesota Michigan that story is bonkers it is when you find it what was it like 11 of the people involved in the kidnapping scheme were FBI informants right what yeah and these two dopes who

just like just dumbasses like 80 IQ dumbasses just get tricked into this fucking they cosplay and they're going to get never definitely we're gonna fucking get liberty don't they don't know why they're doing they're stupid yeah and those poor fucks have to go to jail yeah exactly the whole

thing was scheduled and set up by FBI informants like that seems crazy aren't there real problems instead of like creating problems and then arresting people for those problems aren't there real problems going on and if there's not like you guys good at your job right we're trusting you and

there are you like you know I know some great FBI agents and their people who are doing who are doing good work absolutely I'm a great FBI agents nice people good people patriots absolutely but they're like dentists some of them are great they're this is I mean it's just you know it's

it's yeah I can say the military's in a lot of force meant like yes you you are going to find those few for sure they are there but but with so I've talked to different people than the FBI and what they've shared is that there's kind of like a bifurcation in the agency where there are people

who are really really angry and frustrated about the politicization of the FBI that's occurring by the heads and then there are others who are just like full send we're on board let's go and it's it's creating a lot of friction and a lot of fear within the agency

I don't know if the agency that people get confused let's just see I this probably some similar things going on there but within the FBI a lot of fear that you got to watch what you say around even your own colleagues and your own peers because there are people who are on different

sides which is horrible like you are on the side of America yeah you were on the side of the American people and upholding the rule of law and and securing our country going after the bad guys well when the bad guys now become your neighbor down the street we're we're in a very different uh

realm a dangerous one it's just how it is with people red socks fans hate yanky fans just like in the same country you're gonna have conflict even inside the FBI you're gonna have conflict in every group you're gonna power struggles you know you're either with Bob or you're not right you

want to make it in this business you want to get to the top of this agency you got to stay with Bob and Bob's fucking calling the shots I'm on team Bob yeah like fuck Mike yeah and then that's what happens with people it happens in everything and you have people that are they go in with good

intentions and they get corrupted by systems that are corrupt that's where for for the you know across whether it's the FBI the Department of Justice all of these it matters you know who's in charge yeah these are all civilian led organizations uh they are political appointees and you know

in theory they are the people who should be held accountable but they are setting that tone did you hear what aoc said she said the people that are they're coming in to this country that most of them it's because of climate change I didn't hear that one it's amazing it is straight

out of South Park it's straight out of South Park wow like what yeah oh like is there more is the climate changed more than I know you do you do you know something I don't know like what are you saying yeah what's going on down there the best are those those clips I just saw one on Instagram the other day from like 1985 where a news casters it I think might have been black and white and she's saying the the climate change scientists tell us that we may only have 10 years before the

earth is destroyed 1992 is gonna be the year yeah and then whoever made this clip they juxtaposed her clip with one from a Bernie Sanders saying the exact same thing with a different date you know how many decades later the problem is when you fear monger you distract people from the real

issue yes like what is really going on like how bad are we fucking up the planet you know here's one that doesn't get discussed enough we've killed everything in the ocean the the ocean is depleted what was the number Jamie like 90% of the big fish are gone yeah some crazy number like that

because of just just imagine how psychonic it is to have a species that goes into another dimension that it's not a resident of and uses nets and just takes everything it can get and catch us a bunch of dolphins and shit there that doesn't want anyway and they all die exactly a new global

study concludes that 90% of all large fishes have disappeared from the world's oceans in the past half century in 50 years so that's a that's a disaster of epic proportion when it comes to like ecology and when it comes to the just the the the environment of the world itself we're killing

most because we like sushi we're killing we're killing most of what's in the ocean it's bananas yeah and so that is getting ignored because everyone is talking about fossil fuels and I wonder how much of this is pushed by foreign countries through social media because there is a

thing that you can do and nudge conversations in a certain way with bots and with fake statistics and with fear mongering and meanwhile China is opening hundreds of new coal power plans they're they're they're doubling down on coal and I think through TikTok and through probably Facebook and

YouTube and all these different things and Instagram I'm sure there's countless bots that are putting out videos and pushing narratives and finding a way into your algorithm and they affect the way people think about things and guess what if you go to Chinese TikTok it's all academic

accomplishments martial arts demonstrations science achievements and you can't go on after 10 pm right right and even America it's due to fake eyelashes we need stories to talk about exactly and it's everybody telling the oceans gonna boil yeah it's weird it's all

Osama bin Laden's let it to America yeah the letter to America thing was wild too everybody's like wow you know it's having been long had a point oh my gosh that that's I had a dinner the other night with with a family it was it was during the holiday of Passover and

this this question came up about what would happen if another 9-11 style terrorist attack or some major incident like that came up in our country today would it have that same kind of unifying effect that occurred after that attack on 9-11 and when you look at things like that like the

Osama bin Laden letter and you look at how there there is I mean there's an entire not an entire generation but there's a lot of people now who I wouldn't be surprised if they said well you know such an attack was justified and and not have that same kind of sense of unity of like hey no

matter our differences we got to stand together as Americans and that's a that's a that should be a serious concern it's it should be a serious concern also when you really take into consideration how many genuinely dumb people there are and when you have a situation

like October 7th in Israel I saw within days before Israel did what they did in Palson within days I saw people justifying the attacks on October 7th because of the treatment that Israel has given to the Palestinians I'm like hey that's crazy that's crazy that's crazy to say that you think

people should be indiscriminately shot killed and just en masse at a at a fucking rave like paratrooping and you think that's okay because of what is or is not but guess what those people didn't do that right those people at the rave and those people that are on the border those are

apparently according to Ari those are the hippies right they're the ones who want to be the other ones who don't believe that we should believe in borders yeah they don't believe in borders exactly they want to be close to the Palestinians right exactly and that that's where you know some of the

things that they're chanting at at that these protesters are chanting at Columbia University and some of the other ones we hope that October 7th happens 10,000 times over they say you know celebrating Hamasismless terrorist organization it's it is it's it's it's um you know I don't

I don't think we can just dismiss them as just being stupid you know what I mean like these kids are going to Ivy League schools they are they are being absolutely manipulated and there is there is a very intentional ideological war that is being waged in this example by these radicalism

ist groups like Hamas and they had planned this they've been doing this for a hundred of years and they're using technology and they're using other means to be able to to achieve that end no doubt as is Russia as is China they've infiltrated universities you know the the famous Yuri Besmoff

speech from 1984 you know it's which is crazy when you hear it today because he called it you knew it was going to happen it's happening it's happening from college campuses outward so the most radical of these ideologies are being promoted on colleges because the kids are the youngest they

don't have jobs in real world experience they don't have they don't they're young they have ideologies they're they're a little bit unrealistic and they're all captured by this status game that's going on on campus where you're trying to be the most radical like oh he's so radically pro-pals

tiny so hot you know and then that really becomes a thing you become virtuous and you become attractive you become interesting without actually being interesting just because you have this rabid adherence to an ideology that's right now it's invoked and that's really what it is and I

think a lot of that is funded by foreign governments and there's a lot of evidence points to it and we should consider it as a possibility and don't dismiss it as a conspiracy theory yeah consider it as a possibility and so this is the question about things like TikTok like and and Twitter and

all of them all of them because I guarantee you it's not just foreign countries kids I guarantee you there are people in this country that are using it I know businesses do it yes I guarantee you people do it to try to influence the way people think about things and when you see posts I've seen

posts the multiple times saying outrageous things and I'll just okay let me click on this guy and it's usually some letters and numbers and name maybe and a bunch of numbers and then I click and I'm really oh fake person yeah just go through all the posts yeah it's all just retweeting

inflammatory stuff and it's a nutty fucking crazy politic takes and like really aggressive takes on things and like wow how many of them are there yeah I there there's there's no there's no question that this is happening and and the social media algorithms are feeding it and playing

playing right into it and in our attention and our minds are the commodity 100% and if they can just trick you into buying some stuff along the way exactly exactly I ever thought that your data would be so valuable yeah that's the thing about when like you and I were younger it meant nothing

your data meant nothing like nobody what is it what are you talking about my data exactly these are my data right what is that why would anybody be interested in that my first inclination that data meant something was I bought dionetics I bought that book like 1994 when I moved to Hollywood

and Scientology never stopped sending me things like we got one yeah they that was like oh that's how they get you yeah yeah and then they get you to join I guess you have to give them a piece give a taste which doing turn the group yeah and so data now is responsible for the largest

corporations in terms of like the amount of money yeah like think about apple how big apple is and how much data apple has and apples better it with data than Android systems are and Google's terrible with it yeah like with their ditches like there's a side oh yeah data yeah and that's the

fallacy and that's that's kind of the the falsehood of the argument who are for people who are pushing that TikTok ban bill is if they're claiming they're concerned about data security and privacy and making sure that our data is protected you got to do it across the board yes because every single

one of these social media or big tech companies collecting as much as they possibly can and if you think they're not selling it to the highest bidder whether they be an American company or a foreign company of course they are this is there this is their business model wasn't there some controversy

about one of the DNA companies whether it's ancestry or one of the other ones there was where they remember which sold their data to China I think so I don't remember which one you sold everybody's jeans like I didn't know you could do that I wouldn't have signed up for that yeah you could sell

my jeans to China like if China was like offering free DNA test was it who they sell to a big pharma oh that's even scarier and who they sell to they could sell to anybody else too right it's 23 missiles anonymous DNA and a drug company for 20 million oh it's not that anonymous guys

it's a no yeah of course guys of course wasn't there one with China though with ancestry yeah good good this is 23 and me now this is ancestry also this is interesting as well I'm interested 20 million dollars I remember something about China I mean I just typed in data

sold and that's what comes I might be on the wrong forum so I might be on some good spirit 12 forms I'm out of two deep on the JFK rabbit hole the other night this is what you said okay China there it goes ground-breaking move that has sent shockwaves through the biotech

industry 23 and me the leading personal geonomics and biotechnology companies officially announced the sale of its entire DNA database to the Chinese government for an astonishing 10 billion dollars wow yeah so that's the one I was looking for I'll just add that that's only coming from a medium

article not any other articles are saying that Jamie why did you have to fuck it up with that Chinese on it why you gotta fuck it up with facts yeah who knows but your data is extremely valuable that's weird and it's also valuable to humans it's humans selling other humans data

whether you call them Facebook or Google or the DEA and the app it's just a bunch of people and if they don't have to follow the same rules that you follow then we have real problems and when you have entire groups of people that are depend upon technology that's controlled

almost entirely by one ideology and then you let the government get involved like they did with Twitter and actually the Twitter files you're like oh Jesus like this is bad right like you let the government have a back door and they started sneaking around and telling you what to do

what not to do and you were complying right people right we're telling other people that they couldn't have experts from Harvard and Stanford talk about medical problems yes you gotta stop this stop those experts from talking remove those posts ban those people like the government is saying

that exactly and exactly and even if they're not even if they're not saying hey do this or else even if they're not making an explicit threat just the fact you're getting requests from the government exactly like what are what would you like what are you gonna do the FBI is calling and

saying like hey we'd really like you to do xy or z and my mind be like okay like what am I going to be investigated for outside of this if I say no also what are the consequences gonna be if you're a person working at Twitter right this is not you they're not investigating you they're investigating

someone else right so they're going in they're talking about these posts like hey this expert is spreading misinformation and this is like they're they're causing vaccine hesitancy or whatever they're causing we need to get stop this put a stop to this like why is the government being involved in

a dispute between doctors and the pharmaceutical drug companies like what are you doing and how do you know did you guys adjudicate this did you guys get in front of a court did you guys get in front of experts if people testify did you have someone who's pro and con this someone who lays out this argument did you examine this no no no you didn't they just contacted Twitter yeah and Twitter said okay because what are they gonna do they're fucking executives they they they if you're working at

Twitter and this old Twitter and you're like super woke right and you know you just been drinking lattes and going into the meditation room then also you get an email from the FBI like I don't want to fuck up this job I got a cushy job and yeah like okay what do I have to do okay I'll do that yeah

until you do that and that's not good it's not good to have that kind of power being wielded by other people they're just people yeah you could call them the FBI and call the dealer that they're human beings and human beings that have that kind of power over other human beings in a country

that's supposed to value freedom that that's the thing in and of itself is un-American and that that's where this isn't just like some rogue FBI agent doing this or some rogue you know bureaucrat in an agency who's going and doing this this is an expressed policy coming from the

Biden administration in this example to go and you use use big tech to silence certain people's voices and to decide who who who does the government want to be heard and who needs to be silenced and obviously there we could talk all day about the cozy relationship that many politicians have

with big pharma and it you know it's not a surprise that they're going to act in favor of big pharma rather than in favor of the truth or free speech or people's health and well-being but the fact that this was and is the Biden administration's policy to decide that they are the arbiter of what

is misinformation disinformation what is information what is true and what is not and that they will use the tools available to them both within the government as well as outside of the government in the case of big tech and social media to be able to enforce that and that's that's that's really

the you know for people who aren't paying attention to this stuff at home and we're just trying to live their lives and you know go to work and take care of their kids and and just live their life it's easy to fall victim to like well the government wants what's best for us and they don't want us

to be manipulated by misinformation or disinformation and and so this is the line that they use like we're doing this for you we're trying to protect you so once again we're going to take away some of your freedom and some of your privacy and tell you what you know who you should be listening to

and what information you should be getting the king knows yes the king will tell the people how to live yes this is how you wash this is coming from the same people who are telling us that boys can become girls on any day of the week because they feel like it yeah Rachel Levine is the

first female ameral exactly exactly which isn't and then they stand there and say well we are the champions for women if if they cannot even accept objective truth well living in the strangest of strange times and I also think that a lot of that stuff is being accentuated by social

media manipulated intentionally because I think if you can just get those narratives out there enough that affects the gullible people that affects sensitive people that affects people in the spectrum it affects a lot of people and then they start getting rewarded for leaning into one

type of ideology or and then it's affecting people we are affected by our environment and to pretend otherwise is just silly especially when you're talking about young people young people are particularly susceptible to propaganda which is why they have young people wear suicide vests

that's why you can't get a 50 year old agnostic dude to wear a fucking suicide vest you know he's going to go what am I going to get when I blow up I'm going to go to heaven can you show me you got a video is there a YouTube video I can watch like what do you what do you say it yeah but you

could talk a five year old into it and that's what they do and that's sick it is and it's just as sick to try to like indoctrinate them into these crazy ideologies because it's just people want other people to join their fucking team yeah it's a common thing that people do that's what's so

concerning about like we're seeing the fruits of the shift in our education system away from actually teaching about the constitution and you know the the the founding documents and the federalist papers and the thought process behind that that went into forming the constitution and

the bill of rights in our schools basic basic government basic 101 on what is this country really about what is the foundation that we were built upon and what does it mean to you in your in your everyday life and talking about the bill of rights and the first amendment and going down the list

because that has been absent largely from our education system for so long it it it uh creates again this vulnerability of young people being susceptible there is there they're not rooted in ideology of freedom and what that means in our lives and why it's important why we will fight

and why we will fight to defend and protect it and so then they're like well I don't know maybe maybe what Hamas is offering is is is a superior ideology or superior value system than what we have here in America which a lot of these kids are saying whether they realize fully what it is or not

they are they are falling victim to that ideology that radicalism is ideology which would be completely oppressive in the lives that they they are trying to live here yeah the the whole proposal behind it is best highlighted by the meme queers for Palestine yes and then Palestine

for queers exactly the difference between like that idea is so crazy like what you're saying is so nuts yes and it's just this fuck the system fuck the government fuck the patriarchy it's this ideology that gets promoted that's it's like frivolously wanting to destroy the foundation of this country

yes and they'll say it openly we want to just stop colonialism okay and then what then what happens what do you have what do you have you have warlords what do you know what's going to run the country how are you going to run it we can do it all the guns well that's that's where you know the this

again Hamas had this whole thing planned like you know gaining the compassion and the sympathy of the world and how did they plan that how did they think that they were going to do that that they knew how israel would react and they were ready with social media and then all of all of the

means of communication to play on the sympathies of people the compassion and kindhearted people around the world and turn people's attention away from the 1200 people that were murdered and killed and the people that were raped on that attack on october 7th their their goal being ultimately

to influence populations around the world towards this islamist ideology that they want to govern the world under islamic rule under sharia law and we've seen already how it's been successful in some parts of the world even in europe and france somebody was saying that i think it's 25% of

france is already living under sharia law and so this this ideological war that's being waged is not it's being it's being waged by one side and there's there's not a counter narrative there's not a counter war being waged on the other side to defeat it with the superior ideology of freedom

and what we value as a society and that that puts this mission and this effort and it's not just Hamas obviously al-Qaeda and ISIS and that you know other terrorist organizations around the world they all have that same that same objective which poses this this great the greatest short and

long-term threat to people who value freedom uh... and and to civilization and we're also so uniquely vulnerable in that we we do have this sort of democracy you know it's it's obviously heavily influenced by money um but and then with the open borders so you have all these people

funneling into the country and so you have an erosion of confidence in our entire system because people are very aware of that and the more people will let out a jail after they commit violent crimes the more people are aware of that if you looked at the whole picture

at all the things that are in play right now particularly like with the open borders and giving people plane tickets and flying them to all these different cities like if i was going to try to destroy the country that's how i would do it if i was going to try

to destroy the country i would radicalize the kids i would give them the stupidest ideas and and run them in their head boys can be girls girls can be boys boys can compete against girls and sports if they think they're a girl um a queerist repalalstein you know of the death to the

Jews yell it out unironically on campuses and have the presidents of those colleges and universities defended which was wild completely with cameras on them yeah it shows how scared they are it shows how afraid they are of actually calling out what you know what is right and what is wrong i think

it's also shows how they live in a bubble and i don't think they interact with the real world and i think when they did the shock was probably it was it was probably horrifying to just to realize how most people feel about what they said yeah like oh it's not it's not harassment

and unless it's actionable like what the fuck are you saying exactly you're saying death to the Jews right so you have to kill Jews right and then it's harassment exactly is that a little late i was i was shocked like everyone else at at not only their statements but how every one of them

sitting at that table on that day said almost the exact same thing and knowing how much preparation because when people come i don't care who you are but when you come and testify before congress you go through preparation if you're the president of an Ivy League university

you're gonna have a whole team of people sitting there telling you okay well here are the questions you should probably be prepared to answer the the question that at least the phonic asked was not outside of the realm of like here's what the frequently asked questions would be yeah and the fact

that their answers were all the same and house how they were smirking as they were giving that answer i was i was very surprised by maybe i shouldn't have been a surprised given what they're doing i think we're sending our kids to cult camps that's what i think i think they

get indoctrinated into this they don't all some of them skate through some of them are wise some of them realize this is crazy right can't wait to the fuck out of here get my degree and then go to work but some of them just get locked in and then it becomes their identity and it's dangerous

it's dangerous also because look kids don't want to listen okay and if you have kids they don't want to listen to you they want to rebel and when they finally get to go away somewhere and be on their own and your dad's a banker you're like fuck that asshole capitalism is bullshit like you were in

a cheque with baritite you're in with the fuck you're doing you know like a chat gbt to answer your homework you like the whole thing is nuts and then you're allowing those young people to just trying out being an adult with a voice and an opinion and trying to be profound yeah and there's

no consequences to to actions so it's weird it's weird it's weird it's weird the people can't see it and i'm glad that some people are pulling funding yeah like there's a lot of people that are donors are like hey fuck you like this is crazy yeah and so that's fortunate that there's some sort of a

blowback but you know even that woman from Harvard even though she got she's caught plagiarizing exactly many times yeah if you were a grad student you got caught plagiarizing that would be a ramp for you but meanwhile she keeps making the same amount of money they just gave her a different

job yeah didn't even fire no the whole thing's crazy it is the whole thing's crazy it's like that supposed to be Harvard yeah it's supposed to be the smartest people amongst us and when you heard that lady talk to like hey how did she get to the top that seems bananas it seems like you

probably had some better choices like yeah was there any other considerations exactly exactly the plagiarism doesn't freak you guys out right isn't that like opposed to everything that you stand for yes yeah so what you doing you're not you're you're not the best in the brightest

anymore you guys are doing nonsense right you're this is a cult camp you got a cult camp you're indoctrinating people and where are you getting your money like and how much of that money is coming from China and how much of the influence is coming from Russia how much of the influence like in

the past has shaped these people so you have this system where academics go to school they learn they get indoctrinated and they start teaching and they never enter into the world world and they make this cycle and those are the people keeping indoctrinating more people and now they're infesting

these social media apps and they're infesting all of these tech companies and everybody else is like what are you doing exactly this is crazy yeah but it's all coming from universities it's coming from the kids they get indoctrinated these ideologies and I remember when I first started talking about

this in like 2015 or 16 whatever the Jordan Peterson thing was happening people or it was the first was Brett Weinstein and Evergreen College and people like why do you care what's happening in these obscure colleges they're going to graduate yes like when I see fire in its five miles away

I don't go oh it's five miles away I go hey we got to get the fuck out of here now get out of here now fire's coming yeah get out like this is like you don't see that these kids are going to leave school yeah they're so crazy they believe that you should have a day where you tell white

people they have to stay home when it used to be that it was an appreciation of people of color so they could take the day off and they would get paid and you go oh I really miss Mike you know I really missed on you it'd be great if she was here and boy it's hard not working with her you know

and doing her job and my job at the same time yeah yeah okay yeah that makes sense but telling people white people they have to stay home and then threatening them with baseball bats if they don't have people roaming the park and line with that when I saw that I was like this is crazy

and so many people were saying why do you care well they they're gonna go out in the world and if this is happening there it's not an isolated situation it's happening other people and then the Jordan Peterson thing into Rontel and like okay guys yeah now everyone is sort of realizing like oh

this is a real problem this is an infesting the world this ideology is pervasive and it's not well thought out now is this not just like fact-based objective assessment being kind and understanding and taking into account all the variables yeah no it's like a cult yeah the the

problem is not everyone is is seeing what's really happening you still have the AOCs of the world and many people within the leadership of the Democratic Party who um this is this is the direction we are headed yeah and and that that's that's a very dangerous thing for for so many

reasons but obviously because they're in a position of power and how they're using that power and how they're undermining the rule of law and choosing again who gets to speak freely and who gets to go and do whatever they want break the law yeah um you know disturb the peace acts of violence

know because what what you think that their cause is justified right but meanwhile others who would do the very same thing be charged with a crime imaginative AOC got to write history books and they said why do people sneak into America in 2024 oh climate change

like 20 years from now climate change was so bad that people were walking from Guatemala to get playing tickets to fly to Michigan like a real are you sure oh my god I sure that happened maybe there's other variables what do you think maybe he's encouraged perhaps there's a whole red cross map

that they could follow hey guys yeah yeah maybe some of the stops along the way they only speak Chinese and they have Chinese signs and it seems like there's like a concerted effort to get people in from China hey something going on yeah no just climate change oh so simple so nice to be able to just

that's just that's just as bad as the you know people who break into to stores in New York City they're just hungry and trying to steal bread for their starving kids yeah that was a good one too yeah yeah that lady forget like the you know the the guys who go in and like steal 50 apple

iPhones from the store and run out and jump in their car all of these other things it's it's hard to believe that a person who's a member of congress can say that with a straight face well the best one was do you ever see the conversation that she had with the news reporter with a reporter

was asking her to clarify her thoughts about Israel and Palestine yes I did that one's wonderful she had nothing to say it seemed like she didn't even know like where they were like where he like if you gave her a map yeah and this had no names on it like which one is what do you

which one of these is Israel yeah like what do you what do you know about the history right what do you know about what happened in 1947 anything right what what was going on before that who lived there first yeah exactly what's Judea right what's that place yeah exactly what's the

biblical significance of these locations any you know what how long is this dispute been going on yeah you know what's happening yeah how much we funding this it there there these girls who again I don't know where this video I'm sure it's everywhere now

but they were left Columbia to go and stand with the students protesting at NYU and somebody said well why are you here they're like oh we're here to stand in solidarity with the protesters what is what is NYU doing that you're protesting oh I don't really know and then she turned

her friend she's like why are we here what are they doing that's wrong and the friend said I wish I was more educated because I don't really know either well you know they just have to be in virtue somebody asked us to come so we're just coming to stand in solidarity well there's this

thing that you can do now where if you just yell out the thing that's popular now you become cooler than you really are yeah it's a new thing you can do and if you're like really rabbit about it you know and then you can demand other people do it on their social media like how come you're

not putting a black square up on Tuesday yeah yeah I mean this all of these things I mean these were major drivers for me in leaving the insanity of what has become the today's democratic party and where I have seen and heard directly from so many people who are or have already woken up

to that fact of literally just being common sense minded americans who are just there's no explanation there's no logic there's no rationale that you can give for these kinds of things happening and not just by some rogue member of congress I mean it's it's happening from the very top

yeah and it's it's it's the consequence of money being involved in politics and that seems like that web is so deep and those roots run so deep that to try to stop that now is almost impossible it's almost like the only way to solve this is to give corporations conscience

it's like the only way to solve this is you've got to figure out like who is funding what and why why is so much money being spent on this versus that and one of the things about AI is that if AI is asked at a certain point in time when it becomes like sentient or really super powerful

like what is a solution between the conflict between you you created Russia and what's the cause of it and AI gives like a real comprehensive analysis of the US government funded coup from 2014 and how NATO has been moving arms closer to Russia and like lays it all out and like this is the

definitive objective no ideology no bullshit reason why this is happening and these are the companies that are pushing the conflict and this is the amount of money they're making from it and here's the amount of money that's missing because there's corruption involved in Ukraine

as much as people don't want to admit one of the wildest ones was Candace Owens on Twitter where the New York Times they tweeted her like what evidence do you have of corruption in Ukraine and she's like from your own fucking newspaper it's posting links it's like do you guys not even

check before you tweet out to journalism well they were also the ones that said the New York Times said that that bomb landed in the hospital and killed 500 people and it apparently landed in the parking lot and killed a small number of people yeah and it probably was not from

Israel but was actually some one of the Islamic terrorists had launched a bomb and it accidentally landed in the parking lot yeah yeah and no no effort to actually truly not not in the fine print on the back page of the paper but actually make sure that they got the facts right

well and certainly no equivalent coverage yeah the actual true story versus the original story yeah what you should do like it's like yeah maybe you got bad information explain how you got bad information exactly same people read the newspaper read this now they know like let them know

don't just fucking hide it don't pretend you didn't fuck up yeah like I mean it's the same reason why with Julian Assange you know back when you know his criminal charges were first coming up they were saying hey this is a threat to journalism that you can't you can't suppress the free press

it is a violation of the First Amendment and if you go after Julian Assange today they could go after a New York Times journalist tomorrow I think we were seeing it from the Washington Post and some of the other mainstream traditional news sources but the the script was totally flipped and

they shut up real quick and turn their sights against Julian Assange after he released Hillary Clinton's emails why they're a political they have become unfortunately a political arm of the Democrat elite and it's the same reason why they stopped reporting on actual corruption in Ukraine

because they get okay what's the narrative that we've got to push yeah and they're not going to go against it not allow facts and journalism to get in the way of that it's spooky it's spooky for people that count on them for the news yeah okay now who do I have to trust who could who do

who can I listen to and it turns out it's like a lot of independent people and those the only ones that are they're free they're free to actually report for now you know these laws are bad did that tick-tock thing pass it did pass so that's it yeah Jesus yeah do you know Adam Curry it's it

will be challenged I'm sure it'll be challenged in court I don't know I don't know by who or what what the next steps will be but I'm sure it will be challenged right now I believe that president Biden signed it into law actually I know he did but the the timeline of execution you

know I think what they they gave something like 180 days for tick-tock to be sold to an American company oh great give it to Bill Gates but but even even if that like you know that that's a pretty a pretty tight turnaround when you look at that but that doesn't negate all of the other provisions

within that law that further violate our civil liberties do you know Adam Curry I don't Adam Curry used to be an MTV VJ he's the original podcaster he's the pod father the the real number one brilliant guy but I had him on the podcast quite a while ago and he said that all this uproar

over tick-tock is total bullshit he said what it is is the Chinese are eating our lunch like they've developed an app that is more addictive and collects data just like our apps do and we don't like it we don't like it because their their one is way better and so they're trying to do something

to shut it down because they're using it to influence us and like hey where are the only ones allowed to do that and he that's what he thinks and when he said that I was like I'd never really considered that because I always was like oh this tick-tock is like really bad you've got to like

read the fine print right and it is bad I mean if you look at the just the terms of service like when you're you're dreaming you know the conditions that you're agreed to like they they get to monitor your keystrokes so that means they can probably monitor your passwords they can probably

check out all your emails they get to monitor other computers that are connected to the network even they don't have tick-tock on them like it's by nanos yeah but oh else is doing that yeah exactly they did like that's the point when you and I have a conversation and then also we talk about

Toyota trucks and there's an app for a Toyota truck like hey did you guys know that we were talking about are you listening Google exactly what are you doing like how do you Google met a Facebook Instagram all of it you know and I'm interested in right exactly because I try to sell you things

they're all trying to sell you things of course of course yeah and the best way to sell people things is find out what the fuck they're talking about yeah what do you want yeah yeah I mean it makes total sense of course like Elon and X was well Elon specifically was the only one who stood

up amongst our American big tech companies to say no this is a very bad bill the others to my knowledge were very very silent or they were actually coming out in support of it competition makes sense the other the other piece of that is other than X and tick-tock the Biden administration

has been very successful at working with Google and Meta Facebook Instagram in being able to control quote-unquote disinformation and information so when you look at from a government standpoint well why why if you're concerned about data security and privacy why aren't you doing it across

the board and treating every social media company that Americans use with that same that same standard well maybe they're they're just going after the ones that they can't actually control and intimidate into doing their work for them which is why it makes sense why Elon Musk and

others would say well of course if today it's tick-tock then why wouldn't it be X tomorrow it's interesting to me that people don't seem to understand the value and importance of a guy like Elon yeah this wild billionaire character looks to dunk on people like that guy being like did you see

that thing that he posted the other day because just uh one of the guys who was like from Facebook I believe uh said that uh what Elon is doing is corruption on like an en-ron level I think he compared it to so Elon posted a photo of uh dog laying its balls on another dog's head

I did not see this it was like dunk on his dude I'm like how wild is this guy and then someone said did you really spend it's been 44 million billion dollars on on Twitter so you can dunk on people and he writes 100 I don't know how he has time for this I mean I don't understand it doesn't make

any sense to me but he does do everything else that he's doing it's a fascinating guy yeah I mean his his brain is a fucking tornado of information just flying around all the time and I think it helps him to be able to just fuck around yeah be silly yeah but he was the only one that recognized

that there's a real problem if you have the entire narrative being controlled by one ideology through all the social media apps and that's what's going on exactly they're all tech companies tech companies have hired higher people that are coming from universities and they're all infected by

this ideology and it's nuts that that's the case yeah and then they've done a really good job of it because you go to like gab or any of them especially initially like it was so nuts you like oh my god I could get out of here yeah it was like like go into a Nazi party like oh like even if you're

not a Nazi like they're Seagull in the corner like shit I gotta get out of here I don't know I know who in those rooms I don't know how it is down but I guarantee some of that was fake too I guarantee when they came up with these alternative platforms that they people wanted to squash the

idea of having people that were free outside of Twitter and Facebook that were reasonable people that just wanted objective conversations so I guarantee most of them were yeah most of them were tired of being censored on Twitter and shadow ban on that shit so they try these other

or whether it's gab or truth social or any of them right I guarantee you if look if I was a intelligence agent and I was inclined to do I would get in there and start to see gylan I'd go crazy I post the most racist memes and have everybody salute I'll go nutty I'd have fake accounts

liking those things and getting excited about it reposting it because that's how you make a place toxic and that's how you kill the competition right I would do that I would do that if I was running Twitter right if you're just if you're just a I obviously wouldn't do it me as of course yeah

no of course if I was a evil fuck yeah I would be like this is the way to do it no it makes sense it makes it take how do you make it a place where people don't want to be how hard is that to do you hire a bunch of people to do it you get algorithms you develop them you start posting memes and shit

easy yeah now you make it toxic yeah now I look and I go uh we gotta get out of here and so then you don't have an alternative and you go back to Twitter and you just deal with the fact you're being censored and you deal with the fact that if you're a left wing person you could say the

most outrageous shit even call for violence against people Twitter caught selling data to government spies while complaining about surveillance in for a penny in for a data mine is this recently what is this saying now that they have a deal with a company called data data minor and what is

data minor do uses AI technology to constantly monitor public activity on social media and other parts of the web in doing so its clients often law enforcement can receive customized real-time alerts of what's brewing on what's brewing online what helps in the respond to natural disasters

or more ominously spy on protests knows the intercept okay but also does allow them real-time alerts of what's brewing online so you're not saying they're censoring people you're saying that they're allowing them to look at data so that data could be like how many people are posting

about some sort of a protest where they want to burn down a church or whatever the fuck it is you you're talking about a different thing than banning people from posting things especially these people that are experts from Harvard and MIT and this is a different thing I've seen I've seen

I mean there's a data minor app I've seen how the information flows through I don't know what the it says the story revealed the surveillance firm pays for special access to a fire hose of data from Twitter I'd be curious about what what that fire host fire hose of data is this data

minor has a unique contractual relationship with Twitter whereby they have real-time access to the full stream of all publicly available tweets so but it's just publicly available tweets they're already available so it's like a very high-level search function a company representative said

an email to the government agency for the report so is that like a search function like because it's all public tweets so they have access to the stream of all publicly available tweets but doesn't everybody have access to the publicly available tweets yeah not with AI right right

but if you did have an AI say like say if you had an AI whether it's Google's AI or any AI you said hey go look at Twitter tell me who's talking about Nazis right curating curating the tweets that are coming into your feed that's part of what he's been complaining about online is how many

people and they blocked access to many programs that that did have access to the API because it cost money for them every time someone's taking that so they just kind of cut it all off hmm like I used to use tweet deck to look at Twitter all the time that doesn't work anymore

it's the pay for it oh interesting how come because I honestly don't know arguably it would just be like it was a good feature so like might as well make people pay for it because you need to make money but how much tweet debt cost it's part of the pro see the paper pro okay

oh okay and then there's the other thing we're like apple takes a slice of that if you're getting off of your iPhone right if you get from the app store if you that's where it is if you if you pay for it on like Twitter on the website no but if you use the phone app on your phone yeah that's

what I'm saying apples got the wild this thing going they did they said everything they have so much money they have more money than countries a lot of countries don't have as much money as apple yeah I believe it it's pretty nutty that's being challenged I feel like in a lawsuit too right

well there's certain there's certain things that apple does that are thought to be anti-competitive in it right in it kind of a creepy way and one of them that they just recently got rid of is the lightning connection right so up until iPhone 15 or 16 16 what are we on now 16 we're on 15 now

so up until 15 you used to be it have to use a lightning connector with which only works on apple devices right now you can use a USB-C which is way better it's better for data connect it's better for connectivity it's better for charging get faster charging like the an Android phones like

particularly like Samsung Galaxy to go to full charge is like an hour less time because it's it takes faster watt charging okay the iPhone does and for the longest time it would be much better transfer of data because of USB-C it's just it's just a better more efficient system but apples like

yeah you gotta use it so the European Union I think that was the problem they couldn't sell them over they're mid-elegal so then they have to switch it over to USB-C so now everybody at least has a universal thing yeah and then there's the problem with text messaging so if you have an android

and you send me a text message it comes out green and I said you want to come screen because it's text it's SMS and so now they're they're going to adopt RCS so the idea is since you can't have i-message on everything at least you'll have encryption and you'll be able to send large file

sizes and that's what RCS is which is like a higher level of text messaging that's been enjoyed by people use androids but not when they communicate with iPhones iPhones were forcing people to use SMS right it's it's shitty it's inferior you get like blurry images and videos

not the same resolution yeah it cuts it all down compresses them because it has to fit in the SMS format so now you'll be able to share photos just like you will with an iPhone with an iPhone to iPhone interesting yeah so no more green green text message the text message will still

be green oh interesting yeah they want to might you to feel like shit I do you need to feel like shit for having a different device I think I yeah exactly it works it does work I think with kids I think with teenagers see if this is true I believe I read that it was something like 86% of all

teenagers it was some high number of of all teenagers use iPhones that like you're shunned yeah use an android yeah which is crazy it is crazy it's weird yeah it's but that's how tribal people are we're tribal about our cell phones nuts we're tribal about the kind of computers we use

kind of sneakers I'm gonna do the sky fuck Nike yeah people are crazy yeah 87% of teens in the USA have an iPhone while 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone according to a survey from investment firm Piper Sandler that is a monopoly it's a huge monopoly that is wild yeah it's wild

and how they control their apps and how much money they make off the apps well also their their whole ecosystem is amazing it's really good like they figured out a lot of really good things yeah like it's so convenient that I can write on my computer and then I can transfer it to my notes

and it's automatically on my phone exactly I need you to use it all the time it's so good yep that's so good you can do that with Samsung you can do that with android you can do that it's just you know you'd have to switch systems and like read learn how the it's not hard to do they're

they're pretty intuitive you know I have a Samsung phone I have an older one I have a Galaxy one of the altars that I used to think took a clear photo of the moon but it's actually bullshit yeah you know that's no no you don't know that no they got me they got me there was a feature that's

still a feature it's kind of amazing it's called moon shot and so you could be looking at the moon if you look at the moon with your iPhone right try to take a photo it looks like dog shit it looks terrible because it's just like this blurry thing you know you'd be zoomed looks terrible but with

Samsung's when you zoom in it it holds a square over the moon and it enhances it and it gives you like a hundred X zoom so you get this crazy digital zoom you zoom it on the moon and it looks really clear and you take a photo but it turned out it was as AI because no yes yes because some clever

internet people because you can't fool the internet what they did is they took a blurry image of the moon and they put it on a desktop computer and then took a photo with the camera of the blurry image on the desktop computer and it filled it in it made it pretty wow you that's kind of smart

that's a smart hack to figure it out I've seen people try to argue away and say well it's actually no different than how AI enhances normal fun yeah no no you take a picture talking about the moon yeah there's there's a lot of detail there yeah what if there's a UFO I missed right

this UFO exactly you're trying to tell me yeah the mothership is circling around the moon and you're lying to me you guys are liars but oh man the technology is actually superior on those phones the sound songs oh yeah it's it's quite a bit better the screens are quite a bit better the

screens have an anti-reflective coding on the new s24 ultra so even in bright sunlight when you're outside you could read your screen perfect it doesn't you know the glare that you do you're trying to look at your phone like this yeah you don't have to do that what's interesting you

also have a superior battery life you only have like a tiny little circle that's missing from the screen for the camera you don't have that big-ass stupid bar that's in the front for face ID there's a lot of things that are there it has a pen you could write on it like it's it has AI

features it lets you translate in real time you and I can be having a conversation you could be speaking Spanish and it would show me in English in real time and then I could speak to you in English it would show you in Spanish so the phone gets split down the middle so this side faces you

and that side faces me and we would have a conversation and I could read what you're saying and then you could wear these earbuds and it'll translate it in real time oh wow which is crazy that's incredible it's crazy I tried using the the Google translate app when I was down at the

border and talking to different people from different parts of the world and it sucked it like the intent I think was for that to happen is like you just turn on the microphone and then I could speak and they could see in the screen like it's translating into their language

and then they could respond in their language and you're just seeing it play out real time but it didn't work it didn't work it just didn't work the thing froze or it didn't translate and then you got to push all these buttons and then even then well this is one is using AI and I think it's

the most advanced version it also has a thing where it lets you organize your notes in AI so and also it'll change the tone of your text messages like it'll suggest things that are more polite or more friendly yeah there's like mose you can do so you can do AI for that you can also

that might piss me off some time if I don't really want to write a polite text message right well then you don't have to you can write it in your own language we can write it however you want but then you can also ask it to make this more polite oh wow okay that's what it is so it's not it's not

it's a TLC how about you be a little nicer you're right it's not policing me it also will summarize web pages so if you go to a web page I don't want to read all this shit yeah give me a summary yeah and it'll instantly yeah say this is what's going on this is the problem here's here's

what's the dilemma yeah and you're like oh it'll break things down to you so it's using AI on the phone in constructive ways but 86% of kids don't have it yeah weird the have you heard of this unplugged phone that Eric Prince is yeah yeah I've heard it's um

it's interesting I I just got one I haven't set it up yet but it it is what they're saying is the most secure means of communication obviously technology is never 100% secure but the fact that it does not have the same ad id numbers that every one of our other phones has apple samsung whatever

makes it so that we are able to protect more of our information than we would otherwise you're right but do you get to use apps with that yeah can you use instagram they have their own uh they have their own operating system and their own apps but you can also download whatever apps

you want to download but if you download and they're the settings the settings you you you are able to actually um make it so that instagram is not able to collect the kind of data that they would otherwise yes so what is it operating on like what opera is it like graphene like what is the

opera system I haven't set it up yet it is it is an operating system they they got the guy who as their ct o who created the Pegasus system oh great you can trust him that's that was my question if you're gonna make but first of all if you're gonna make

there's two sides of that yeah there's two sides of that is if you created it then ideally you would know how to protect against it right yes for sure or you would say look the kind of people that want a phone like this these raw raw fuck the government people like these type of people that

might get visited by the FBI give them a phone call them like the patriot phone or whatever the fuck you want to call it so make it a nice little hot yeah I'm not saying that it is no no no no well I it's this I asked them like it sounds like uh this is the perfect kind of phone for people

in the military or people are conducting different kinds of operations because of all of these protections and so on and so forth and they said they're intentionally not selling to the US government because they don't want that doubt to be in people's minds that this is some kind of

op that's happening that will allow some kind of surveillance take place anyway it's interesting that is interesting there are there are other phones that do that there's phones that operate on they operate on an operating system called graphene OS we take a phone like a google phone

and they de-google it so they remove all the the google stuff and then there's there's a bunch of detailed instructions of how to do it right and then they put this new operating system on and when the new operating system works all your shit doesn't work like all the normal

google services yeah see that stuff it's a completely different operating system yeah yeah yeah yeah so there's there's they have figured out how to do both you can toggle on and off what mode you want to be in and it's got the VPNs and and everything else that's a suspicious hippo face

sort yeah yeah skeptical hippo yeah yeah if someone did figure something like out that be great I've asked Elon about that once because I had read this story about a Tesla phone he's like oh god I hope we don't have to make phones but it's the way he said I hope we don't have to make phones

interesting yeah yeah yeah because when you look at the inter connectedness between um you know Tesla and you look at obviously the power element and then the car element and then you look at the content platform that they are building X in two like the the vision that they

have for it to be the one stop shop not only for all different kinds of media but for you know payment and interaction and business commerce and everything else it's interesting when you look at that direction it is also connectivity that if you have a Tesla and I have one I love it you

you can't get Apple CarPlay doesn't come with no Apple CarPlay fuck off thing fuck off stupid use our shit so what can you use them just their organic well you can Bluetooth your phone okay you can play music like if you have Spotify hooked up to your phone on Bluetooth

you play a song on Spotify to play on that yeah and you also have like there's a lot of options like Spotify's built into the system spot like so you could just like tell it okay you get to press it play notorious BIG and it just our plan random song you can tell it what song to play interesting

he pressed a button you say hey navigate to uh 80 V's daycals okay bam it'll take you there okay so and it's got this big ass huge screen yeah stay in the screen giant like I don't know how long it is what how long is the screen our cars it was like 18 inches looks like it's about 18 inches

right and it's just massive map yeah so like for navigation everything it's great yeah but if I was gonna make a phone I wouldn't allow Android or Apple to like have CarPlay fuck off right exactly use my shit and then once you develop an ex phone yeah I wouldn't be surprised I could see it

I could see it I'm sure he's thought of it I'm sure he's thought of it other than me saying that yeah I'm sure that's not the first time he thought of it yeah because if anybody could pull it off it's probably Elon it's probably Twitter and act whatever yeah if they came up with a space x phone

all the nerds go oh get me get me get me get me come on especially it was good yeah especially if people move to more secure messaging systems that are end to end encrypted like signal which also gets skeptical about like wasn't I read something on some one of the forms where they're

saying that signal was funded by CIA money is that true which is not that's not good and then there's WhatsApp which is owned by Facebook yeah but the WhatsApp is not a secure form of communication is not no is it sauce no it's more than sauce yes it's confirmed it's confirmed sauce how about that

freedom of the press foundation acted as signals fiscal sponsor between 2013 and 2016 the project received grants from the night foundation the shuttle worth foundation and almost three million from the US government sponsored open technology fund yeah what does that say down there on Reddit

article claims signals origins as a US government asset are asset our public record and a lack of funding is because of the CIA found this article that makes it claim that signals origins as a US government asset are a matter of extensive public record even if the scope and scale of the

funding provided has until now does anyone here know what public records they're referring to here says if so does anyone have links to these public records this means signal is a honey pot it all they also say that signal handed people over to the CIA I like to know what actually

evidence of that exists if it's true that kind of sucks that's what it says there um but Tucker said that he was communicating through signal and that the government contacted him and said we know that you're setting up a meeting with Putin yeah because we read your signal and he was like I

didn't know you could even do that well this connects directly back to the Pfizer section 702 law because if they are surveilling certain foreign entities in Russia then an American citizen like Tucker Carlson communicating with them the government is then able to just immediately go in again

without a warrant and saying okay we got to go before uh you know a judge and even if they do go before a judge it is a secret court there is no there is only one side that's presented which is the government saying we need to go and capture all of Tucker's data for example I have no idea

if this actually happened but let's say that's that's the scenario that court uh and this is public information that court approves 99.99999999% of all requests that the government makes to go in and surveil American citizens it's essentially a rubber stamp which is exactly the problem but that's

where I could foresee okay well Tucker's communicating on signal um this surveillance law that just was strengthened recently when Congress passed it and Biden signed it into law allows that to happen hmm so it's all bullshit then so signal unplugged phone all that stuff

if that's the case if they have the ability to read signal don't you think they have the ability to read every single piece of information that gets sent from your phone they can intercept it and read it it just makes sense I believe that I don't know how you're going to protect that maybe

I'm ignorant but I don't understand how you could protect that with a different operating system as long as it's using the same cell phone signals it's like I understand that you're saying it's encrypted but is that encryption impossible to crack like isn't that is is there a source of

that encryption couldn't someone just get the phone and let's figure it out and back engineer it seems like they could an interesting thing about um I asked this same question about this unplugged phone and if you're using which I hadn't heard before about any other app but if you're using their

version of signal they're you know texting app that you can do calls and FaceTime and whatever through with another app on another unplugged phone every time you connect a caller you send a text message it generates a new encryption key versus signal which is when you download it and

you set up your you know your account or whatever that is your key so but would you have to have a non-plugged phone for me to talk to you in that encrypted app that's what I I yes I believe so you'd have to have it and I would have I believe so because I don't know that their app

is available on Apple for example right see that would be interesting if someone developed something that did that that developed the generation of a new a new encrypted key every time you're using it yeah and starting a conversation that that that's it all seems like but you know it's true

no race yeah it just seems like they're the boundaries between people and privacy a signal facing collapse after CIA cuts wow oh geez this is an investigative journalist on a website I've then looked up as account is account is suspended on Twitter or X I don't know why but this is an

article that says some interesting things hmm but I it's I don't know how much of this is fact that's almost why I hesitate to bring it up but does say a friend of mine so hold on second never acknowledged any serious way by the mainstream media signals origins as US government asset

or a matter of extensive public record even if the scope and the scale the funding provided has until now been secret the app brainchild of shadowy tech guru moxie marlin spike by the way that's quite it he came on the podcast he's not shadowy really yeah it's on the podcast wow

not shadowy at all interesting no like regular guy yeah like some of this is probably horseshit a real name Matthew Rosenfeld how dare you moxie you have a fake name was launched in 2013 by his now defunct open whisper systems the company never published financial statements or disclose the

identities of its funders at any point during its operation some's involved in developing launching and running a message app used by countless people globally will nonetheless surely significant the newly published financial records indicates signals operating costs for 2023 alone are 40 million

and projected to rise to 50 million by 2025 Rosenfeld boasted in 2018 that OWS never took VC venture capital funding or sought investment at any point though mysteriously failed to mention millions were provided by the open technology fund yeah that's the money oh oh here we go

yeah open technology fund was launched in 2012 as a pilot program of radio free Asia an asset of the us agency for global media oh boy yeah which is funded by us congress to the tune of over one billion annually in 2018 to then CEO openly acknowledge the agency's global

priorities reflect us national security and public diplomacy interests that sounds us is that super sauce that's super sauce that's like you say yeah that that that's a little iffy it's very if it's true if it's or if it's not true it's a disinformation campaign designed to

cripple signal and to lose people's trusted signal yeah perhaps that last thing there though is is is a separate issue of concern of of the United States government funding US propaganda essentially in different parts of the world I would like to talk to real nerds

about this phone this unplugged phone yeah the real nerds yeah I would like to have the real nerds look at this yeah and go yes or no yeah yeah I'm curious as well yeah is there uh reviews of the unplugged phone by any of them super smart people oh but they have them

Brian Cullen has one tell see you have one yeah it says by now but I don't say buy it oh so it's not pre-order it used to be pre-order like till recently I'll just show you what I saw pre-order today see right it says the positive 49 got just

go to the actual I did and that's where like I started oh so it maybe it used to be maybe that was the link at one point in time it said pre-order okay be interesting if people use this but it's like I mean I need I need someone to is that is it 1900 bucks I could have two in the

card will you buy phone yeah it is it is very interesting because there are other phones that I've seen in the past who have tried this and not succeeded and I don't know whether it was a virtue of you know the time in our country where people maybe we just weren't that interested

in having a secure means of communication or a secure phone well people don't want the inconvenience and most people don't have to think about this right so they're not thinking about the government looking at everything they do what are they doing right just trying to get laid and trying to

fun just trying to do normal stuff they don't care but if 86 or whatever the number was percent of kids use iPhones they are locked into that ecosystem yeah you're locked in with your photographs you're locked in with everything and yeah you've got apple pain you've got the whole thing everything

all you need is your phone you use your phone I use my phone as remote control to control apple TV it's crazy it's really it's actually better than the real remote control interesting because you could type on the keyboard instead of doing that stupid thing we have to go oh gosh yeah

do letter by letter school like trying to find a movie it like it takes five minutes to type it out you just type it on your phone interesting yeah the the the apple remote control thing is fucking great it's better the problem is when you have these walled gardens like apples ecosystem

it's very difficult when you have everything over there all your stuff your email you're this jump off of that it's hard yeah and most people don't ever do it yeah too much work yeah like whatever you're on whether on android or you're on apple but they try to make it easy they try to

lure you over you know they try to get you to switch yeah nobody wants to do it I think that's where it is it it is interesting to me that more and more people are paying attention to government surveillance their ability to reach into our private information and and and who is

allowing that to happen I think they count on the majority of us not being aware yeah and I think that is the case today the majority of people are not aware and they don't think of it as a primary concern the majority of people are way more concerned about climate change you know because that's

like it's a majority of people I think it's a lot of people they they'll they'll say it at least how much they know about it is weird yeah a bad conversations with people when they talk about okay well they'll agree we've got to act now about the climate and I go what did you hear like

tell me what you hear yeah there's like have a conversation let them just spill it all out yeah like don't even challenge them just let them spill it all out and it's like AOC talking about Palestine and Israel it's like I'm not really a centimeter deep not exactly I'm not sure

they don't know what they're talking about and if you say have you ever looked at a video of the difference in the shoreline from like 1987 to today have you ever done that have I done it yeah I've seen I've seen for Hawaii yeah what's the difference it's bigger it is why keep getting bigger

because Hawaii grows because it's a volcano yeah but when you look at the shoreline in a lot of places it kind of seems the same and also these like fucking psycho rich people are buying houses like on the beach yeah do they know something we don't know right don't don't you think if they've

really thought that the oceans were gonna rise a hundred feet in the next week that the fucking insurance companies will go hey yeah you're not gonna you can't buy that or even the next five years I mean you know well people are having a hard time getting homeowners insurance in California

because of the wildfires yeah that's true that's a real one that's a very big issue that's a real one yeah that's a real one and you know but they're not having a hard time with the right next to the water yeah no one's getting it's not like tsunami insurance yeah it's you know I mean like

did you even have that tsunami insurance I don't know I want to say yes I bet that's like carved out I want to say yes I want to say no I think if you're a dumbass it buys a 50 million dollar house in Malibu like right on the well I want to be all in the water like hey bitch you know which water's

out there well we had you know the active volcano that we've had on the big island for so long with the actual flow that happened through neighborhoods when the the floor of the the volcanic shelf within the crater fell through the lava went down and started flowing through all of these

lava tubes that were running beneath full fully occupied neighborhoods people had botland and built houses in those neighborhoods knowing it was a I think it was a lava three zone which is like you're building on top of an active volcanoes lava tubes you you have to know that you're assuming

that risk well that when that happened there were you know lava spouts and little mini craters that were formed within so many of these different communities we were going around there I was with the head of the roads division for Hawaii County and we would go and look and like as soon as there

was a crack in the in the pavement we like okay we got to mark that one down on the map because that is you know the next day you see the steam coming up as though it's a lava vent and then within the next day or two you would have an active like 20 30 40 feet in the air lava sparing up

right in the middle of like a normal kind of suburbia-ish neighborhood and this happened in 20 30 feet in happened in over 20 different locations within this particular area and it was mind blowing to to go there one day after the other after the other and see how quickly a beautiful

little neighborhood turned into a complete bed of lava so this then begs the question like oh is your home insured right there was one insurance company in the in the entire world that would ensure homes that were built in a lava three zone did they go under well I don't think they went

under because it's so freaking expensive most people just didn't have it most people couldn't afford it it's a gamble right it is a gamble and it was amazing to see how so many residents there recognize like okay yeah we knew we were getting this land it was pretty cheap built a beautiful

house knowing that this possibility could occur and frankly just it was amazing to see their respect for mother nature and knowing like we chose to live here we wrote the matum pele is doing her thing and yeah we're gonna have to figure out something else so what is going on right now in

Maui um can I say a quick quick quick break yeah yeah this is a good one to talk about right it's very important one yeah we're back so we were just about talking about Maui so what what is going on right now post fires no one is rebuilding homes yet their mediation effort is still underway

and the biggest challenge for the families who are directly impacted by that who were left homeless is the fact that they they still don't have anywhere to go you know they've been put up in Airbnb's or in hotel rooms for a period of time on Maui the hotels are like hey we we need to

be able to start welcoming in tourists back into the to the island and so the governor is trying to work out a plan to be able to provide some form of semi permanent housing for people if they were to try to go out and rent a house on the market it is it is purely unaffordable and there are a number of families who are now faced with the tough decision of do we just pick up and go and move our life out of Hawaii and to the mainland which is heartbreaking given how many of those families

I mean they've been in that community in West Maui or in Lahaina for generations what is happening with the people that had mortgages so if they had a mortgage and their home was burnt down and they haven't gotten money from the insurance company and they haven't been able to rebuild so they still

have to pay that mortgage while this is all going on you know I haven't heard that raised as an issue I would hope that the mortgage company would recognize what's going on but that's that's something that's a good question I haven't heard it raised as an issue from either residents or as

part of the conversation around housing why has no one been able to rebuild there has to be there's so many layers of toxins in the ground that have to be cleaned up and removed before people can go in and actually start to rebuild but to speak of just the inspection and the permitting

process and so forth so the layers of toxins just from the fire from the fire and you know you had like a gas station with underground fuel tanks that burned like completely to ash on the ground the toxins that came from all you know different construction and and everything else that exists

in the environment so all that stuff burns it gets in the soil it gets rained on so the ground is contaminated right and this is the reason why they can't rebuild yeah and they knew from the outset it was it was a known fact that it would take I mean if it only takes a year that that is

an expedited timeline is what I've been told how long has it been now August will be one year August 8th the most insulting thing was the $700 one-time payment from the government like that is who said yes to that who allowed that you at the same time releasing this number where they

accidentally had sent Ukraine six billion dollars remember that yeah they said oh well we we lost track of this six billion dollars and so now that we've found it because of some accounting error now we can go and send it to Ukraine and they were automatically assuming they were going to

send that anyway of course of course but no consideration at all no it we you know I remember specifically when the fires had just happened the White House brought in the director of FEMA to talk to the White House press corps and someone asked the question what are you FEMA what are you

actually doing for the people who've been impacted by this tragedy and the directors stood there with a straight face and proudly said well we have provided one-time payment of $700 to to everyone who has been impacted by this fire displaced by this fire and that was her big announcement

that she was there to make one single one-time payment of $700 so that means you have 700 servings of a ramen basically basically I mean you you can't you can't even rent a bedroom in someone's house for $700 it's just it's it's certainly you can't for eight months no that's what's crazy

now $700 is so crazy it's just such an insulting and ridiculous number and the fact that they haven't given more like but yet they're flying people around on airplanes that come in illegally through the border yeah just like how much that cost yeah exactly what does that program cost

exactly what does that cost multi billions of dollars if I had to if I had to guess it's um you know FEMA has other services it's a lot of bureaucracy it's a lot of paperwork and residence on Maui they were being told like okay well hey if you accept this kind of aid from

FEMA you are seeding some sense of your sovereignty or decision making ability with regard to your land or your property and all of these all of the red tape essentially that that caused a people community who are rightfully skeptical about government coming in and saying okay well we're

going to help you when that same government said oh yeah hey we may at that time and the governor the governor said this and then he corrected himself later on but he's like oh yeah we're thinking about and talking about how we can turn this entire place uh have the government take ownership

of it and turn it into some kind of memorial or some kind of workforce housing which obviously made people really freaking mad to say like well who the hell are you to come in here and say you're just you're just going to take our land you're just going to take it and do what you want with it

so they're obviously very skeptical and and rightfully so about you know the fine print what does it mean if I accept a few bucks here they're from the federal government what what power am I seeding to you to determine my future the future of my family in our home and unfortunately

the rest of the country has forgotten about it by and large yeah yeah there's always a new thing in the news there's always a new thing to pay attention to it's always a new fear one of the things that that has just recently come out first of all the Maui police department they did an audit

of what went wrong what did we do wrong what should we have done better and kudos to them for actually doing this and I think they came up with like 92 recommendations on things that needed to be fixed they shared that with municipalities all across the country as like hey here

are the hard lessons that we learned you guys should take note and try to protect yourselves from having to go through what we went through other agencies at the county level and at the state level have not been so honest or transparent about their shortcomings and the most egregious one

recently that our local news and Hawaii exposed was the head of Maui's emergency response division he was off island that he was out of all places a FEMA conference on a Wahoo when the fires happened and instead of doing what any compassionate and responsible person and leader would do you

immediately get on the first plane out you get a notification there this you know this fires happening on Maui I got to be there with my people and I got to lead my teams to respond to this emergency he it took him a few days to go back to Maui first of all but the thing that was

and I don't know if you can find this Jamie but they released his text exchanges that he had with his assistant who was telling him he's like what's going on with the fire lol and the assistant responding saying ha ha ha this place is like a circus their their exchange was so so

disturbing doesn't even put it lightly when you know there are people who are being burned to ash burned alive in their community and their text exchanges like oh ha ha is the fire still going lol yep now it's going in another place I couldn't I couldn't believe it when I read it and this

was the same guy Herman and Daya is his name he he didn't show up and and show his face publicly until like seven days after the fire and then he went and he did one press conference and then he quit and resigned but there has not yet and I hope investigations are ongoing there has not

been any kind of accountability at at the various failure points that existed in this response if the government wanted to take over that land the best way to do is to drag this out and make it so that people exactly have no other choice they have nothing to do they can't do anything

and they just tell stories about it you know we used to we used to own that land right there's a native Hawaiian leader famous surfer navigator for the Hokulea and traditional Hawaiian navigation Archie Kaleppa he has been one of the most stalwart leaders for the community during this whole

period in time organizing emergency response and food and shelter and you know community gatherings people come and play music at the end of the day throughout this whole crisis period and has been leading the charge he's very well respected in the community in holding that line and saying

we are not giving up our land but as you said it becomes a much more difficult argument to make when people you got to live yeah you got to be able to make sure your kids have what they need to go back to school and and and all of it and how can you do that when you're in a constant state of

of transition with no real timeline where they're they're not coming and saying okay hey you can go and start rebuilding on this date right so they're going to have to do some sort of cost I mean like a building a house from scratch right crazy most people don't have that money yeah and then

also so like how long is this clean I'm going to take and like what it when does it start and what do they have to do it mean it is ongoing it is it is ongoing but it is massive excavation and and so it's ongoing it is ongoing they have an anticipated timeline I heard from one guy they were

looking at will hopefully maybe it might be September might be October but you know it's one of those things that one of the guys who's out there actually doing this is just saying well you don't know what you're going to deal with until you're actually dealing with it and it might take longer

it might not take as long but it's one of those things that they're they're they're not figured out as they go but they are being confronted with things as they go is this one of those issues where you wish that maybe you still were in congress yeah yeah because at least you could

be talking about it because that was that was my hope and I talked with leaders in congress and people who I still know there and just calling for oversight and accountability from the federal government because we saw many points of failure everything from the immediate response to the

whole water issue and the fact that there wasn't any water coming through people's hoses during that time um now why was that the history of water on Maui is complicated uh and it's it's largely attributed to that of the fact that um the water is is a privately owned utility and how that water

is controlled there is uh limited use of water at different times how it's controlled and where it goes and and there was a state water management official apparently who had some say in this saying well you know I don't think that we should turn the water on for this period of time because

we don't know exactly what's going to happen but my point is all of these things need to be very clearly investigated because people's lives and property were absolutely destroyed because of this so was it because that water is a valuable commodity they didn't allow it to be used by the people

that were experiencing the fire? There was some implication of um I don't know it was like well we want to make sure that the water is being distributed equitably uh and so we don't want to give it to one group of people over another group of it it really didn't make any sense what the argument

was but it was like hey you missed that critical juncture in that window because you were trying to ruminate it was something to do with equity and and some theoretical uh argument rather than this is a community in crisis there are fires burning in various different places we need to get

water to people who need it. There's also the the thing about having above ground wires yes right which is crazy it is it plays that experiences storms it plays that experiences storms but also on west Maui is traditionally a drier part of the island that also experiences wildfires even small ones on a regular basis that if they're not immediately controlled you end up with what

happened. Is this so disheartening that it's not receiving more attention? Yeah yeah this is this is you know you look at the things that we've talked about what what are they actually focusing on? Yeah and that's that's where the opportunity and and it is such a dire picture you know it's a time where we are surrounded by literally insane people who are making decisions that that further their own interests and their desire to either hold on to power or grow their power

at the cost of the well-being of the people and at the cost of our fundamental freedoms and that's where you know this this election our using our voice our defending our freedom of speech by speaking the truth and speaking freely all of these things and our engagement with them as Americans as citizens it matters more than anything else because if we if we continue to to go down this track we will continue to see our freedoms undermined until we wake up one day and this will

no longer be the America that we know and that we love. That's a scary thought and it is until the last few years I never would have thought that was the case. Same. I would be like now we'll be we're gonna be okay. Yeah now I'm not so sure. Yeah because I'm gonna we've gone through you know the political powers switch from one side to the other and back again and and you know you figure like okay well I disagree with this person or this issue or whatever but

um being grounded in and and having the confidence in the constitution and these fundamental rights and freedoms is kind of like okay well you know well we'll figure out the rest but but all of that for everything that we've talked about censorship and control and big government overreach and and and all of the government surveillance all of these different things point to the very

real risk and domestic threat that we face. Yeah there's just so many factors that are simultaneously taking place there's um there's surveillance there's the invasion which is kind of an invasion I mean you can call it open borders you can call whatever you want yeah it's people coming here

that I'm supposed to be here and I'm I'm for immigration just for them figuring out who's criminal like well legal yeah and that then this is the thing I've got a friend of mine who's about to retire uh special forces green berets served over 30 years in uniform um great great American who's

dedicated his life to service he's about to retire his wife is from a European country and uh they want to invite her sister and her sister's family to come to the retirement ceremony their residence of Italy they have been denied a tourist visa to come to America for two weeks

to attend this special forces warrant officers retirement how is that and this is these are like hey they got a family they got young kids they got school they got jobs and they were denied saying well we don't you know we we don't think that you have uh we don't have confidence that you will

come back to your life in Italy and yet again people are coming through the border every day being picked up border patrol has become like this uh uber drivers for people who are breaking our laws from the moment they step across the border into our country illegally and okay so then they go

out in the country nobody knows where they are who they are are they really going to show up for a court date in two years or three years and nothing is really truly being done about this yeah seven years seven years between then and the court date okay it's your yeah exactly exactly it

almost seems like it's all designed to erode our faith and to make this whole thing something that's way easier to control because the way our system is set up right now with if you can express the freedom of speech if you actually can do that it makes it very difficult to really

to control a narrative that's it right there that's it right there control and power and they're terrified of a truly free society where we can have a truly free open marketplace of ideas they're terrified of people being able to you know and I saw this when I ran for president

2020 we're seeing it again and in different ways in 2024 where they want to control what information you get about certain candidates what information you're not allowed to see who is being pushed forward and who is not and undermining our our basic responsibility as citizens which is to cast

an informed vote and engage in our democracy and actually have a government of buying for the people they're terrified of us doing that and making what they believe is the wrong choice so they're trying to wait take away our right to do it so they can remain in power and in their minds I fully

I know many of these people and they feel justified in what they're doing that they are the righteous ones that they are standing up for America and standing up for democracy so much so that they are willing to destroy our democracy to save it in their minds which is a dangerous dangerous

mindset that we could see in foreign dictators in different parts of the world and throughout history it really is and it's astonishing how few people are willing to accept that it still takes place today right they almost have this thought that those things have been sorted out and that you know

that was the case in the past but and even though history is filled with it and there's actually no instances of it not taking place right you know like but now don't be silly right now we've got it gonna leave hands that my dad Yon Werner on here from Rolling Stone Yon Werner yeah he was

trying to tell me that the government should regulate the internet my government the same people that lied about weapons of mass destruction those people no no not those ones everybody wants daddy right they want daddy to come along no one is gonna save you no exactly save you

people Maui know that they know that now yes no no one's gonna save you yes and we have to be aware of how fucking crooked the system is yes and I don't know how we're gonna get out of it I don't I don't but I'm very happy that people like you at least you have the courage to talk about

it and so few people do and it's it's a strange strange time to be alive it's wonderful in a lot of ways it's it's amazing in a lot of ways but it's also it's like treacherous there's a lot going on right now that's like it really makes you wonder there's so much fucking subterfuge and shenanigans

and so much money being funneled around and moved around it's just like whoo I think that's where there is you know there there is a silver lining in what we have been through with through COVID and through everything that's happened since is I think more and more people are waking up

and at a minimum just questioning what they're being told is this actually true looking for information and news from other sources than maybe they had been before yeah and and just what you said no no one's coming to save us I think that that is the message I'm carrying I'm on the

road constantly and I'm talking to people whoever will listen at events and on different media platforms it's what I I focused on in my book for love of country the truth about what is happening in our country the experiences that I had in the democratic party that caused me to leave the party

and understanding that in this situation and there's a lot to be fixed across both parties and the government but in my experience and in the situation we're in right now with the Biden Harris administration they cannot be allowed to remain in power we can agree or disagree on

different issues and it's good and we should and we should have those conversations but when you look at the unprecedented abuse of power that they are engaging in undermining the rule of law politicizing our government entities targeting Americans targeting Americans who happen to be their

political opposition whether it's Donald Trump or the mom who's protesting at a board of education meeting to have a say in what kind of education her child is getting this is happening across the country and if we the American people don't do something about this and stop them and hold

them accountable what happens in these elections if they're allowed to remain in power they will they will tell us hey you gave us a mandate you said hey good job thumbs up keep at it and we'll see everything that's happened just continue to escalate to a point where I have I have no doubt

that our freedoms will be eroded to a point where it'll be virtually impossible to get them back and where do we go from there America no longer becomes the land of the free in the home of the brave it becomes the land of people who are controlled by the government and forced to comply or else

and if you dare to have the courage to speak up and speak the truth or say hey look guys the emperor has no clothes on boys or boys and girls or girls and that's just how it is then you will experience the retaliation or the consequences of that action well said thank you Tulsi show your book

for love of country you're out now did you do the audio it is I did I recorded the audio there's a little there's a little line on the top of the cover there you might recognize oh it's me I appreciate your words your friendship your support and your

being such an incredible stalwart voice of truth and and providing a platform for real discussion where people can come and listen to those who have different viewpoints different backgrounds different experiences and maybe they walk away agreeing or disagreeing it doesn't really even

matter but having this kind of platform is such a powerful thing for everyone to be able to come happen by accident so I went and I was invited to speak of this Passover event a couple of days ago but the guy who picked me up at the airport his name is Avi works in New York

their family hosted me and he's like oh where are you going next I said oh I'm going to go I'm going to go to Austin I'm going to see Joe Rogan he's like I am like he's like I'm kind of pissed off about how popular he's gotten because I was one of the OGs like from the very beginning

he's like I know I know the the roots of the Joe Rogan experience anyway it was just it was you got a lot of fans but he he was particularly owning the fact that he knew he knew Joe Rogan before Joe Rogan was you know the Joe Rogan experience isn't funny that people get upset when things

get popular and other people find out of something exactly but people do that with bands all the time right yeah right because it's like your thing and yeah they were mainstream now everybody like some it's like everybody likes the thing I like yeah yeah that's the beauty though of what you've done

is like you've been you the whole time and there's there's no like oh Joe Rogan's gone mainstream and he's different or whatever it's like you're you and I think that's what people are attracted to is just you know you are who you are I think that's what people are attracted to with you as well

and I'm very happy you're out there and I'm very happy that you created this book and I'm really happy he did the audio of it yeah because I don't really really know I before I recorded it I do a lot I do more audio books as well than I do I read it every now and then but most of the

time I'm actually like if I'm on a plane sometimes I read but yeah most of the time I'm sitting there listening to stuff in the sauna or listening to something when I'm having it's for me it's a use of time exactly it's much more efficient exactly yeah it was you know I poured my heart into

writing this book and I care very much about the issues that we're talking about and I care very much about our country and and so in in some parts of the audio book you know it was it was emotional talking about some of the experiences that I've had and while I was deployed and

and really truly conveying what's at stake and and the responsibility and so I go through a lot of the problems it's important obviously to talk about the solutions and the call to action for every one of us as Americans why don't care what your party affiliation is that's not the

point here I'm urging people to leave this Democrat party behind because they are abusing their power and undermining our constitution just as our founding fathers did when they created these founding documents they disagreed heavily on a lot of different things they had fierce arguments

and debates but they came together around the most fundamental principles of our country that are centered around freedom our ability to live in peace and pursue prosperity life liberty in the pursuit of happiness now is the time that we have to come together as Americans around those

foundational principles and get our country back on track that is that is the most important task before us as Americans otherwise it'll be too late here here thank you Tulsi thank you for being here I appreciate you great to see you all right good bye everybody