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The Jabot

Kathryn Rubino at Above the Lawabovethelaw.com
We are an offshoot of the Above the Law legal blog. But we are focused on the challenges women, people of color, LGBTQIA, and other diverse populations face in the legal industry. Let's be real -- it can suck out there. So we want to create a space where our community can come together share stories, find support and devise strategies. Our name comes from none other than the Notorious Ruth Bader Ginsburg and the jabot (decorative collar) she wears when delivering dissents from the bench. It's a reminder that --even when we aren't winning, we're still a powerful force to be reckoned with.
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Episodes

Working To Close The Gavel Gap with Sadiqa Reynolds - Episode 147

Kathryn interviews Sadiqa Reynolds, CEO of Perception Institute, who speaks about her career journey and the significance of diversity in the legal profession. Her current work involves addressing implicit bias and promoting genuine conversations about racial and gender disparities. Reynolds emphasizes the importance of having diverse representation in the judiciary, pointing out the need for law schools to recruit and retain diverse students. She finds meaning in serving and helping people and ...

Jun 09, 202325 minEp. 147

Instilling DEI into a Law Firm's Identity with Marlon Lutfiyya - Episode 146

Kathryn and Marlon Lutfiyya, Director of Talent and Diversity at Neal, Gerber & Eisenberg, discuss the advancements in legal research and the importance of DEI integration in law firms. Marlon highlights the benefits of joining a mid-sized firm like his, providing associates opportunities to work closely with senior partners and advance at their own pace using a competency-based system. He also stresses the importance of a firm's commitment to individual development and DEI initiatives when ...

May 26, 202322 minEp. 146

Starting Your Own Law Firm To Make The World A Better Place with Margot Hoppin and Alanna Kaufman - Episode 145

In this episode, Kathryn, Alanna Kaufman, and Margot Hoppin discuss the Lexis Plus platform and share their experiences in the legal industry. They emphasize the importance of doing meaningful work, creating inclusive law firm environments, and networking. Alanna and Margot highlight the values of their public interest private law firms and their focus on positively impacting clients' lives. They also talk about the challenges of running a law firm, striking a work-life balance, and collaboratin...

May 12, 202327 minEp. 145

Getting Yourself In The Right Mindset For Negotiation with Emily Poler - Episode 144

In this episode, Kathryn speaks with Emily Poler about her experience founding Poler Legal and navigating the legal profession. They discuss negotiation strategies and managing gender dynamics. Emily shares the challenges and rewards of creating her own law firm such as gaining autonomy, selecting compatible clients, and handling the impact of the pandemic. She emphasizes on embracing her identity as a woman in the legal field during negotiations. Who’s The Guest? Emily A. Poler is the founding ...

Apr 28, 202321 minEp. 144

‘Stalkerish’ Behavior is not the Way to Sell your Legal Tech Product: Real Talk From a CLO with Jenny Hamilton - Episode 143

In this episode, Kathryn interviews Jenny Hamilton, Chief Legal Officer at Exterro. They discuss the launch of the Lexis Plus Platform and its AI-powered Judicial Brief Analysis tool, Hamilton's journey into the legal profession, her experiences with e-discovery, and her perspective on being a woman in a male-dominated industry. Hamilton shares her insights on evolving the legal industry, with a focus on finding balance in gender representation and adapting legal technology to the increasing pri...

Apr 14, 202323 minEp. 143

Biglaw Partner Ends The Gatekeeping And Shares What You Need To Know To Be Successful In An Appellate Practice with Michelle Kallen - Episode 142

In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Michelle Kallen, a Partner at Jenner & Block, to her journey to becoming an appellate lawyer. She explains that the more she learned about law, the more she was drawn to the field. She then goes on to talk about the appeal process and how it can be a difficult one to enter. Finally, Michelle shares her advice on how to get into the field of appellate law, including the importance of continuing to educate yourself on the legal field. Who’s The Guest? Michelle...

Mar 10, 202327 minEp. 142

What You Need To Know About The Biglaw Job Market with Jennifer Henderson - Episode 141

In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Jennifer Henderson, a Partner with the legal recruiting firm, Major, Lindsey & Africa (MLA), to discuss why she decided to go to law school and how she ended up becoming a legal recruiter. She also talks about the current lateral market and provides advice for those looking to make a move. Additionally, she shares some tips on how to effectively negotiate with the candidate and the legal world’s stand on hiring people who are working remotely. Who’s The Gues...

Feb 24, 202321 minEp. 141

No One Else But You Is Going To Advocate For Your Career with Laura Bianchi - Episode 140

In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Laura Bianchi, Co-Founder of Bianchi & Brandt and a leading entrepreneur, attorney, and strategic advisor for the cannabis industry. Laura emphasizes the importance of finding areas of law that you enjoy, as it is a huge part of your life and will determine how much you get out of your career. As a lawyer who specializes in transactions and corporate work, she describes how she was determined from the beginning of her career to get the experience and work sh...

Feb 10, 202326 minEp. 140

How Personal Experience Impacts This Immigration Lawyer's Work with Karine Sokpoh - Episode 139

In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Karine Sokpoh, CEO of the Midlands African Chamber, to talk about the highs and the lows of focusing on immigration law. Karine reveals that she did not consider other career paths because she wanted to help people and had a goal to work for an international organization in war zones and help with peacekeeping and refugee resettlement efforts. She also recalls how she started from having a very limited budget when she established her own practice to building tru...

Jan 27, 202321 minEp. 139

Plaintiffs' Attorney Shares What It's Like To Hold Companies Responsible For The Opioid Epidemic with Jayne Conroy - Episode 138

In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Jayne Conroy, a plaintiff’s attorney at Simmons Hanly Conroy LLC, to talk about the risks and rewards of being a plaintiff’s attorney, and how MDLs work, and offers advice to younger lawyers interested in similar cases. She stresses the importance of being curious and open to learning new things, recognizing the workload, and having patience. Who’s The Guest? Jayne Conroy is a plaintiff’s attorney at Simmons Hanly Conroy and oversees practice areas in the Comple...

Jan 13, 202325 minEp. 138

Career Appellate Prosecutor Dishes On What It's Really Like To Argue Before The Supreme Court with Lisa Sarnoff Gochman - Episode 137

In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Lisa Sarnoff Gochman, an appellate lawyer and author of the book At the Altar of the Appellate Gods: Arguing before the US Supreme Court, to talk about how her career shifted from being in law school to being an appellate lawyer who has spent the last 40 years writing. Lisa also discusses how an appellate attorney is different from a lawyer doing trial work. She recalls how she worked her way up from the Bronx District Attorney's office to the New Jersey Supreme...

Dec 30, 202225 minEp. 137

Biglaw Partner Shares Behind The Scenes Look At The Affirmative Action Case Before The Supreme Court with Ishan Bhabha - Episode 136

In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Ishan Bhabha, co-chair of Jenner and Block's Education Practice and a member of its Appellate and Supreme Court Practice, to talk about the well-publicized affirmative action cases at the oral arguments at the Supreme Court. He discusses his experiences representing the Ivy League and other schools, as well as the importance of diversity in education and the stakes of the cases. Ishan also recalls how he found appellate law to be more interesting and exciting, a...

Dec 16, 202228 minEp. 136

Legal Industry Harassment Is Not Rare, But Rarely Shared with Aliza Shatzman - Episode 135

In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Aliza Shatzman, an attorney, advocate, and former DC Superior Court law clerk, to talk about her experience as a clerk in the DC Superior Court where she faced gender discrimination, harassment, and ultimately retaliation by the now former judge for whom she clerked. She also discusses how she reached out to her law school for support and assistance, only to find out that the judge had a history of misconduct that law school officials were aware of. Due to her e...

Dec 02, 202225 minEp. 135

The Rewarding Truth Behind A Legal Aid Career with Laurette Mulry - Episode 134

In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Laurette Mulry, an Attorney-in-Charge at the Suffolk County Legal Aid Society, to talk about working with different clients as legal aid attorneys. Laurette breaks down the principles that guided her when working with clients, as well as her advice to those who are in a legal job that requires a lot of attention and time. She also explains how it really is working as a legal aid attorney, as well as her most memorable representation throughout her career. Who’s ...

Nov 11, 202222 minEp. 134

A Lifetime Of Fighting Against Injustice with Richard Zitrin - Episode 133

In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Richard Zitrin, a trial lawyer and lecturer at the University of California, Hastings College of Law, to talk about how he became a criminal justice advocate and shares some advice for aspiring lawyers. He explains his involvement in the San Quentin Six Case, which became the impetus for his career in criminal justice. Richard has dedicated his career to fighting for justice, first as a criminal defense lawyer, and then as a civil lawyer representing poor people...

Oct 28, 202222 minEp. 133

Biglaw Partner Leads Effort To Help Afghan Refugees with Grant Sovern - Episode 132

In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Grant Sovern, a Partner of Quarles & Brady LLP, to talk about his area of concentration: Employment immigration. Grant recalls how he shifted to immigration law and describes the challenges of working as an immigration lawyer. Additionally, Grant shares his work with Afghan refugees and where the immigration law stands on this. Who’s The Guest? Grant Sovern is the chair of Quarles & Brady's national business immigration practice. He works primarily on ma...

Oct 21, 202225 minEp. 132

Biglaw Firm Gives Back To The Boys & Girls Club with Linda Benfield - Episode 131

In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Linda Benfield, an environmental lawyer, and Partner from Foley & Lardner LLP, to talk about how she became wanting to be a problem solver in law school to be on top of the profession. Linda also recalls the different programs created in partnership between Foley and the Boys & Girls Clubs of America, as well as how other organizations can help. Additionally, she shares how Biglaw firms can get their lawyers more engaged in helping and giving more opport...

Oct 14, 202221 minEp. 131

The Heart And Soul Of Vermont Law School with Shirley Jefferson - Episode 130

In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Shirley Jefferson, the newly appointed Vice President for Community Engagement and Government Affairs at Vermont Law and Graduate School (VLGS), and together, they talk about how the law is an effective tool to affect change in the world. Shirley, being the first person of color to be appointed as the VLGS’s VP, also shares the twists and turns of her career and how she’s able to pitch and convince people not just to go to law school, but to enter Vermont. Who’s...

Oct 07, 202229 minEp. 130

Building A Practice Around Trauma-Informed Lawyering with Rena Paul and Margaret Gandy - Episode 129

Who Are The Guests? Rena Paul and Margaret Gandy are the founders of Alcalaw, a women-founded legal consultancy comprised of former federal and state prosecutors who believe that the most effective advocates are those whose legal acumen and depth of experience are matched by their emotional intelligence. Alcalaw provides legal guidance to individuals, organizations, institutions, and corporations who are facing cases of sexual misconduct, harassment, and discrimination. Summary In this episode, ...

Sep 30, 202223 minEp. 129

Use Your Superpower In Your Legal Career with Shana Simmons - Episode 128

In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Shana Simmons, a General Counsel at Everlaw, to talk about how her career in the world of law started. Shana leads the legal department and is responsible for all legal, regulatory, privacy, risk and compliance, and governance issues around the company. She describes the transition from working as the Head of Google’s Cloud Go-To-Market Legal team, to being a General Counsel. Additionally, Shana talks about how their own practice ensures that the culture at thei...

Sep 23, 202227 minEp. 128

Balancing A Lawyer And A Novelist with Jessica Martin - Episode 127

In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Jessica Martin, a lawyer, and a published novelist, to talk about balancing life as a lawyer, a writer, and having a family. Jessica recalls how she got into the world of law, and how she slowly transitioned from big law to working as an in-house lawyer. She also describes the process she underwent to be a published author and shares her advice with those who want to give writing a try. Episode Resources https://www.lexisnexis.com/lexisplus For the Love of the B...

Sep 16, 202223 minEp. 127

Biglaw Associate Starts Scholarship To Pay It Forward with Imani Maatuka- Episode 126

In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Imani Maatuka, a Commercial Litigation Associate at Sidley Austin LLP, to talk about Bridging the Gap Scholarship. Imani recalls how what made her decide to follow in the footsteps of her other family members and what the big difference is between what she expected and the reality now that she’s working as a litigation associate. She describes how she picked litigation as the law area to specialize in. Additionally, Imani shares more information about Bridging t...

Sep 09, 202224 minEp. 126

Why Women Are Leaving The Law - And What To Do About It with Laura Leopard - Episode 125

In this episode, Kathryn welcomes back Laura Leopard of Leopard Solutions to talk about their white paper, Women Leaving Law. Laura narrates their experiences writing and running the survey: How depressing it is knowing the reasons why women are leaving the law space and how unfair some firms are to them. She shares how culture affects the work environment. Additionally, Laura describes why a lateral move is important and why law firm leaders should start taking a closer look at what’s going on ...

Sep 02, 202226 minEp. 125

The Work To End Sexual Harassment Is Always Going On with Alexandra Brodsky - Episode 124

In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Alexandra Brodsky, a staff attorney at Public Justice and author of Sexual Justice Supporting Victims, Ensuring Due Process, and Resisting the Conservative Backlash, to talk about the differences between a dog whistle and real concerns with the due process and what the Title IX is. She shares her thoughts on what’s next in the MeToo movement too. Alexandra also narrates what survivors of sexual abuse are going through after the incident and what we can do to hel...

Aug 26, 202225 minEp. 124

This Lawyer Found The Silver Lining Of The Pandemic In A Kitchen with Danielle Caminiti - Episode 123

In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Danielle Caminiti, a Per Diem Attorney and local counsel for New York Law Firms. With 7 years in a malpractice defense firm, 5 years as a prosecutor, and 2 years in commercial litigation experiences under her belt, Danielle narrates how she went from law school to where she is right now. She shares how she balances all the different things in her life to make the best use of her time. Danielle also describes how the process of writing her first cookbook went and...

Aug 19, 202222 minEp. 123

Mediator Shares Why She Loves What She Does with Joann Selleck - Episode 122

In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Joann Selleck, a mediator from Selleck Mediation, to talk about the ins and outs of being a mediation professional. Joann narrates how she came into the practice area. She cites the qualities a person should have to be a facilitator, as well as why people are handling litigations differently. Joann also describes what challenges specific to the mediation practice she faced, as well as the greatest accomplishments she had in her career. Episode Resources https://...

Aug 05, 202225 minEp. 122

The Shoes Behind A Noteworthy Legal Career with Kellie Johnson - Episode 121

In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Kellie Johnson, the Enforcement Chief Public Ethics and former Deputy District Attorney of Oregon. Kellie shares the very unique reason why she decided to go to law school to how other people around her helped and guided her, despite the hardship of women and people of color studying the law. She also talks about how her interest in international policies shifted to criminal and prosecution and how she became the first African American Assistant District Attorne...

Jul 29, 202228 minEp. 121

Working To Make Sure We Don't Live In A Theocracy with Elizabeth Platt - Episode 120

In this episode, Kathryn is joined by Elizabeth Platt, the Director of the Law, Rights, and Religion Project at Columbia Law School. Together, they talk about what the career path is once you make the decision to go to law school. They also discuss what the connection is between law rights and the practices of other religions. Elizabeth shares her findings after making different research on abortion access and abortion rights. Additionally, she cites the other areas people should be thinking abo...

Jul 22, 202221 minEp. 120

How To Change The Law On Periods According To Two Law Professors with Bridget Crawford and Emily Waldman - Episode 119

In this episode, Kathryn speaks with Bridget Crawford and Emily Waldman, the authors of the book Menstruation Matters: Challenging the Law's Silence on Periods. Bridget and Emily narrate how they came into the path of academia, as well as the pros and cons for other people who are considering the same path. They share where the idea for the book came from and what they found out in the course of doing their research. Bridget and Emily also talk about the role of technology surrounding pregnancy,...

Jul 15, 202224 minEp. 119

Fascinating Legal Career Spanning Public Interest, Government and Private Practice with Linda Priebe - Episode 118

In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Linda Priebe, an EU US data privacy/protection compliance and government relations attorney and a partner in Culhane Meadows PLLC, a nationwide woman-owned and woman-managed technology and business law firm. Linda shares how her career evolved: From working in a small boutique firm to working in the federal government. She also shares her experiences working for people who are filing cases against the government to helping service providers, due diligence provid...

Jul 08, 202225 minEp. 118
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