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The Jabot

Kathryn Rubino at Above the Lawabovethelaw.com
We are an offshoot of the Above the Law legal blog. But we are focused on the challenges women, people of color, LGBTQIA, and other diverse populations face in the legal industry. Let's be real -- it can suck out there. So we want to create a space where our community can come together share stories, find support and devise strategies. Our name comes from none other than the Notorious Ruth Bader Ginsburg and the jabot (decorative collar) she wears when delivering dissents from the bench. It's a reminder that --even when we aren't winning, we're still a powerful force to be reckoned with.
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Episodes

Law Professor On Why It's More Important Than Ever To Confront Racism with Susan Sturm - Episode 207

Join host Kathryn Rubino on the Jabot Podcast as she sits down with Columbia Law School’s Susan Sturm to discuss her compelling new book, “What Might Be.” Susan shares her passion for social justice and explores the power of reimagining systems for a more equitable future. This episode is a must-listen for those eager to understand the paradoxes in social justice work and how to navigate them for impactful change. Highlights Seeds of the book from childhood experiences. Contradiction seen in the...

Jul 18, 202525 minEp. 207

Building A Firm That's Better Than Biglaw with Laurice Rutledge Lambert and Jennifer Whitton - Episode 206

Join host Kathryn Rubino with guests Laurice Rutledge Lambert and Jennifer Whitton. Discover their unique journey from Big Law to founding a boutique health law firm. Explore their mission-driven approach and the challenges they face in healthcare regulation. Perfect for aspiring entrepreneurs and legal enthusiasts Highlights Jennifer’s journey: from international relations to law. Laurice’s shift from medicine ambitions to health law. Misconceptions about lawyers and real pathway insights. Impo...

Jul 11, 202525 minEp. 206

A Look At How The Law Fails Patients with Anna Kirkland - Episode 205

Tune into The Jabot Podcast for a must-listen episode with Anna Kirkland, a professor at the University of Michigan. Discover how her new book reveals the complexities and failures of discrimination law in healthcare. Unpack how civil rights shape healthcare access, and learn about the impact of algorithmic bias. Essential for those keen on healthcare policies and rights protections. Don’t miss it! Highlights Anna’s academic journey: from law school to academia The intersection of civil rights a...

Jul 03, 202528 minEp. 205

Work/Life Balance Doesn't Have To Be A Myth For Lawyers with Laura Cowan - Episode 204

On the latest episode of the Jabot Podcast, host Kathryn Rubino welcomes attorney Laura Cowan, author of “Lifestyle Lawyer Revolution.” Discover why Laura transitioned from CPA to law, her journey of starting an estate planning firm, and the insights from her lifestyle-focused law practice. Laura shares invaluable tips on balancing career success with personal well-being. Whether you’re a seasoned lawyer or just starting, Laura’s practical advice and unique perspective offer a refreshing take on...

Jun 27, 202523 minEp. 204

3 Powerhouse Women At The Heart Of Evolving Florida Condo Law with Marnie Dale Ragan, Ariella Gutman, and Kara Olesky - Episode 203

In this episode, host Kathryn Rubino chats with Marnie Dale Ragan, Ariella Gutman, and Kara Olesky. They share insights on their unique journeys in the legal field, focusing on the intricacies of condominium law, litigation, and business. Explore how they balance professional growth with personal life, tackle high-stakes disputes, and the dynamics of partnership. Perfect for aspiring lawyers or anyone intrigued by the law’s diverse career paths. Highlights Navigating high stakes business dispute...

Jun 27, 202526 minEp. 203

Frustrated With Your Legal Career? You Can Do Something About That with Cecilia Poullain - Episode 202

In this episode, host Kathryn Rubino chats with Cecilia Poullain, an international executive coach and former lawyer. Cecilia shares insightful career transitions from law to coaching, focusing on empowering women to become partners in law firms. The episode uncovers the hidden challenges of partnership, the importance of confidence, and striking a work-life balance. Cecilia’s personal stories reveal the necessity of understanding one’s true career desires. A must-listen for aspiring partners an...

Jun 20, 202526 minEp. 202

Biglaw Partner Shares What It's Really Like To Work In Intellectual Property Law with Olga Berson - Episode 201

Kathryn Rubino chats with Olga Berson partner at Thompson Coburn. Olga shares her journey from a scientist to a top patent attorney, tackling AI’s impact on patentability and the evolving biosimilar litigation. Her unique insights and balance between law and ballroom dancing make it an inspiring episode! Highlights Path from science to patent law. Patent lawyers as the geeks of the law field. Collaborating across legal disciplines. Day-to-day life of a patent partner. Unique career spanning pate...

May 23, 202522 minEp. 201

Getting Real About Being A Divorce Lawyer with Padideh Jafari - Episode 200

Kathryn Rubino chats with Padideh Jafari founder and CEO of Jafari Law and Mediation Office. Discover Padideh’s inspiring journey from a five-year-old aspiring lawyer to a successful family law practitioner and advocate. With fascinating insights into handling high-conflict divorce cases, Jafari offers valuable advice for budding lawyers on balancing a demanding career with personal well-being. Tune in for a dose of inspiration and practical tips. Highlights Inspiration to pursue law from age fi...

May 16, 202525 minEp. 200

Climbing Through The Law Firm Ranks To Become Managing Partner with Cayce Lynch - Episode 199

Kathryn Rubino chats with Cayce Lynch, the new national managing partner at Tyson & Mendes. Discover Cayce’s inspiring journey from paralegal to managing partner, the unique culture at her firm, and how they’re innovating in defense law. An uplifting listen for aspiring legal professionals! Highlights Deciding to go to law school. Mentors and law school experience. Discovering a passion for civil procedure. Moving to California and taking the bar. Discovering the right firm by chance. Why Ty...

May 09, 202527 minEp. 199

What It Really Takes To Be On The Path To Biglaw Partnership with Jesse-Justin Cuevas - Episode 198

Kathryn Rubino chats with Jesse-Justin Cuevas, partner at Susman Godfrey, about her inspiring journey from high school debater to a successful litigation partner. Discover her insights on balancing a high-stakes legal career with personal life and why mentorship is crucial. A must-listen for aspiring lawyers and anyone curious about the legal profession! Highlights Decision to pursue law school Business disputes as human disputes Typical day for a litigation partner Importance of mentorship Path...

May 02, 202525 minEp. 198

The Sidley Associate Arguing At The Supreme Court with Peter Bruland - Episode 197

Kathryn Rubino chats with Peter Bruland, a Senior Managing Associate at Sidley, who is set to argue before the Supreme Court! Discover his inspiring journey from law school to tackling crucial, high-stakes legal issues. Don’t miss this captivating episode filled with insights into Supreme Court advocacy and the balance between pro bono work and career development. It’s a must-listen for aspiring lawyers and anyone intrigued by the art of legal persuasion. Highlights Discovering law through crimi...

Apr 25, 202521 minEp. 197

The Reality Of The Death Penalty Is Even Worse Than You Think with Corinna Lain - Episode 196

Kathryn Rubino chats with Corinna Lain who reveals the chilling realities of lethal injection as detailed in her new book, “Secrets of the Killing State.” This episode exposes the grim processes hidden from the public eye, challenging perceptions on the death penalty. A must-listen for insights into a controversial legal practice! Highlights Legal Academia: Balance of Teaching and Publishing University of Richmond: Teaching Importance Journey to Death Penalty Expertise Initial Skepticism About S...

Apr 18, 202527 minEp. 196

Charting The Path To Mediator with Joann Rezzo - Episode 195

Kathryn Rubino chats with Joann Rezzo who shares her unconventional journey from aspiring CIA agent to law school, through big law, and eventually to mediation. Joan highlights the power of empathy, her knack for negotiation, and how varied experiences helped shape her career, enriching both her mediation skills and her personal growth. Hear Joann’s vibrant anecdotes, including a clever courtroom victory involving an unexpected witness. A must-listen for insights on navigating a diverse legal ca...

Apr 11, 202526 minEp. 195

The Battle For The Heart Of The First Amendment Is Heating Up with David Enrich - Episode 194

Kathryn Rubino chats with David Enrich, business investigations editor at The New York Times and author of “Murder The Truth.” They explore the powerful influence of big law firms and the current landscape of defamation law that threatens journalistic freedom. With insights on media regulations and Sullivan’s landmark case, this episode sheds light on the implications for free speech and democracy, a must-listen for anyone intrigued by media law and its societal impact. Highlights AI-powered leg...

Apr 04, 202527 minEp. 194

Finding Your Perfect Spot In The Legal Profession with Lisa Landy - Episode 193

Kathryn Rubino chats with Lisa Landy, a Principal at Therrel Baisden. Discover Lisa’s journey into law, her passion for probate litigation, and insights on mentoring and firm growth. Perfect for aspiring lawyers! Highlights Transition to probate litigation. Key personality traits for probate practice. Mentorship’s role in law firms. Legacy of a century-old law firm. Impact of firm growth from 4 to 14 attorneys. Passion for courtroom experiences. The impact of Zoom on legal proceedings. Pros and ...

Mar 28, 202519 minEp. 193

Judicial Philosophies Are Way Overrated with Mark Tushnet - Episode 192

Kathryn Rubino chats with Harvard Law’s Prof. Mark Tushnet, exploring his new book, “Who Am I to Judge?” Tushnet critiques the Supreme Court’s originalism and questions the narrow experience of justices. A must-listen to rethink judicial norms and hear Tushnet’s engaging perspectives on ideal court nominations and even the question of favorite books! Highlights The genesis of a legal career: from political science to law school. Critique of judicial review’s evolution since the 1970s. Democrats ...

Mar 21, 202527 minEp. 192

You Can Actually Balance A Legal Career And Family Life with Edward Ortega - Episode 191

Kathryn Rubino and personal injury attorney Edward Ortega dive into the nuances of legal careers. From unexpected courtroom experiences to the role of technology in modern law practice, Edward shares his journey from family law to the largest personal injury firm in North Carolina. Discover the highs and lows of lawyering and learn why finding your fit can make all the difference in work-life balance. Perfect for aspiring lawyers and legal professionals looking for genuine insights! Highlights W...

Mar 14, 202528 minEp. 191

A Lawyer's Quest To Help Victims Of Abuse with Alreen Haeggquist - Episode 190

Kathryn Rubino chats with special guest Alreen Haeggquist, an attorney and author of “Fired Up! Fueling Triumph from Trauma.” Discover Alreen’s inspiring journey of turning personal trauma into a powerful legal career advocating for abuse survivors. It’s a heartfelt discussion on resilience, the therapeutic power of speaking out, and finding balance in emotionally charged legal work. Perfect for aspiring lawyers seeking purpose and passion in their careers. Highlights Importance of Sharing Perso...

Mar 07, 202518 minEp. 190

Playing Games With The Supreme Court with Talia Rosen - Episode 189

Kathryn Rubino chats with Talia Rosen, the lawyer-turned-board game creator. Her game, “First Monday in October”, offers a strategic dive into U.S. Supreme Court history. Discover her creative process and how it brings legal history alive in an engaging way. Tune in for behind-the-scenes insights into her 10-year journey from concept to a playable reality! Highlights Law school decision: Intentional or accidental? First Monday in October: Supreme Court-themed board game. Game mechanics: Historic...

Feb 28, 202529 minEp. 189

Who Gets To Call Themselves A 'Professional'? Law Professor Breaks Down The Licensing Scheme with Rebecca Haw Allensworth - Episode 188

Kathryn Rubino chats with Rebecca Haw Allensworth, a Vanderbilt Law School professor and author of “The Licensing Racket”. Discover the untold stories behind professional licensing, the unexpected impact on various careers, and why these regulations might not always serve the public. Rebecca’s firsthand research brings intriguing insights into how licensing affects professions from barbers to doctors and potential reforms. Don’t miss this chance to rethink the system that shapes many of our care...

Feb 21, 202525 minEp. 188

The Fight For Rights Continues: The View From Legal Academia with Jackie Gardina - Episode 187

Kathryn Rubino chats with Jackie Gardina, Dean and Chief Academic Officer of The Colleges of Law, about systemic change, legal education, and the hurdles to entering the legal profession. Gain insights on LGBTQ rights, bar exam reform, and advice for future law students. A must-listen for those interested in modern legal challenges! Highlights From clinical therapy to a passion for law. Systemic change as a career theme. Multiple pathways to change: Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell. Legal battles and the e...

Feb 14, 202528 minEp. 187

Criminal Defense Attorney Fights For Clients With Mental Disabilities with Elizabeth Kelley - Episode 186

Kathryn Rubino chats with Elizabeth Kelley, a dedicated criminal defense attorney fighting for justice for individuals with mental disabilities. Kelley shares her journey from literature student to a passionate advocate in a field needing reform. Her insights into mental health law and her hands-on approach to client representation are inspiring and thought-provoking. Tune in to discover why compassion and understanding are vital in the legal world, and how her work hopes to shape a more inclusi...

Nov 19, 202423 minEp. 186

You Have To Change How You Think About Free Speech with Mary Anne Franks - Episode 185

Kathryn Rubino chats with Mary Anne Franks, a leading voice in Intellectual Property and Civil Rights Law. Uncover the essence of fearless speech and why it’s crucial in today’s world. Explore bold concepts from her new book that challenge conventional First Amendment beliefs. A must-listen for anyone intrigued by legal boundaries and free speech dynamics! Highlights Life and career updates since 2020. Transition from Miami to George Washington University. Balancing academia and publication. Cle...

Nov 05, 202434 minEp. 185

Using Your Law Degree For Good with Dale Margolin Cecka - Episode 184

In this episode, host Kathryn Rubino interviews Dale Margolin Cecka, Albany Law School professor and director of family violence litigation. Discover her journey in law, challenges in child advocacy, and insights on family law education. Gain a deeper understanding of domestic violence legislation, its impact on survivors, and potential legal reforms. A must-listen for anyone interested in law, justice, and societal change! Highlights Why law school: a journey to child advocacy. Transition from ...

Oct 22, 202428 minEp. 184

Former Biglaw Partner Writes Biting Novel Dishing On What's Wrong With The Profession with Luba Shur - Episode 183

Join host Kathryn as she chats with Luba Shur, author of “Rule 23” about her journey from law to novelist. Discover her insights on legal ethics, the myth of class actions, and how she balances writing with a legal career. A must-listen for aspiring lawyer-authors! Highlights Intersection of reality and fantasy in career choice Early reading and legal career expectations Surprising twists and interesting outcomes in legal career Balancing writing and legal career Rule 23 as a skewer of legal pro...

Oct 08, 202425 minEp. 183

How To Create A Fulfilling Law Practice with Calyssa Zellars and Kya Henley - Episode 182

Discover the inspiring journeys of Calyssa Zellars Kya Henley, founders of Saint Park Law, on this episode of the Jabot Podcast! Learn how these two dynamic lawyers navigated non-linear career paths, left big law to start their own firm, and stayed true to their mission. Gain insights into their unique approach to crisis management and investigations, the importance of intentional practice, and how they’ve blended personal passion with professional excellence. Don’t miss this episode for a fresh...

Oct 01, 202425 minEp. 182

Harvard Law Grad Shares What You Really Need To Know Before Applying To Law School with Calandra Almond - Episode 181

Join Kathryn Rubino as she chats with Harvard Law grad and Juris Education admissions counselor Calandra Almond. Discover how to navigate law school admissions, balance career goals, and set realistic expectations. Almond’s personal journey offers invaluable insights—don’t miss out! Highlights Personal law school journey. Considering what you want your life to look like. Admissions counseling and career mistakes. Making realistic decisions about law school. The importance of the LSAT. Diversity ...

Sep 24, 202422 minEp. 181

Writing The Kind Of Legal Story You Want To Read with Lori Duff - Episode 180

In this episode, Kathryn chats with Lori Duff, author of the upcoming book, “Devil’s Defense.” Lori shares candid insights about her accidental journey into law, her love for trial work, and the striking realism that underpins her novel. Discover her struggles balancing a legal career with writing, the hilarious challenges of introducing technology to courts during COVID, and her advice for lawyers with creative passions. This episode offers a compelling portrait of a small-town lawyer’s life an...

Sep 17, 202426 minEp. 180

Figuring Out If Family Law Is For You with Holly J. Moore - Episode 179

Dive into The Jabot podcast with Kathryn Rubino featuring Holly J. Moore, founder of Moore Family Law! Holly shares her journey from soul-sucking construction defect cases to the emotionally charged world of family law. Learn about the realities, challenges, and rewards of starting your own firm. Find out why family law “finds you” and get inspired by her tips for aspiring lawyers. Don’t miss this engaging and honest conversation—perfect for anyone interested in the human aspect of legal practic...

Sep 10, 202425 minEp. 179

The Power Of Quitting Biglaw To Pursue A Childhood Dream with Jiadai Lin - Episode 178

Kathryn Rubino chats with Jiadai Lin, author and winner of the Sandra Carpenter Prize for Creative Nonfiction. Discover Jiadai’s journey from big law to heartfelt storytelling, balancing law and literature with grace. Don’t miss this inspiring conversation on following your true passion! Highlights The straightforwardness of a legal career versus the uncertainty of a writing career. Jiadai’s compartmentalization of her law career and writing career. The emotional impact and challenges of leaving...

Sep 03, 202424 minEp. 178
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