The Final Stage of the Immigration Debate w/ Peter Brimelow: The J. Burden Show Ep. 404

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and then I came down to the US. I worked for Santa are in Hats from Utah, amazingly enough, for at that time was thought of as a presidential contender before he went native in Washington. And then I worked in financial journalism. I was at Barons and Forbes and Fortune and Forbes, and I wrote highly technical investment stuff for CBS what was then CBS market Watch was subsequently bought by Dow Jones. But I also I also moonlighted

in conservative journalism. On one stage in the late eighties and early nineties, I was a senior International Review, although I was never full time there, and I wrote a piece on immigrationism also in a great interest of mine, And in ninety two I wrote a peace called Time to Rethink Immigration, which is occasionally credited with restarting the American immigration debate, and that became a book in ninety five called Alien Nation, Common Sense about America's immigration, which

is sort of a could hit. And then the other side had struck back. There was a brief savage civil war in the conservative movement about immigration, which we lost, and immigration patriots were polished from Nash Review and vanished everywhere that we had. At that point, we had no outlet.

But fortunately Internet came along and I started my website v dare, which is named after Virginia Dare, who was the first English child, not for first white chad as there sometimes said to be born in the New World. She was born in the Lost Colony in fifteen eighty eight, and of course nobody knows what happened to her. And

we continued over twenty five years. I built be there up into something of a force, and we had a significant readership and we published a lot of significantly important people. So you had Kevin Deana on on your show show just recently. He worked for us off and on for more more than ten years. But then VDARE was a five one C three a charity. It was registered in New York. We know it because in nineteen ninety nine, when nobody ever heard of law Fair or or the

teacher James. Just almost four years ago, we suddenly received a wave of subpoenas from the teacher James, and she basically has law fired us to death. She drove us. We spent over nearly a million and a half dollars in legal fees, and we're trying trying to avoid giving up our writers' names and our our donus names, and we just rud right out of money. And I suspended

the site in April. In July twenty twenty four because we'd had so many confidence we were trying to hold conferences, and we had been trying to hold conferences, and between about twenty fifteen about twenty nineteen, we had something like fifteen different hotels cancel on us. The oars caved as soon as they came under pressure, and everybody on the distance right had this problem. American Nations, of course solved it by going to Tennessee, to a state owned facility

in montgomer Bell State Park for its conferences. But we solved it by buying our own venue, and that's the Berkeley Springs Castle here in Berkeley Springs, West Virginia, which really remodeled, and then we start begun to put conferences on but we haven't been able to do that recently because it's so pre occupied with this fan pass quid that's attached itself to us.

with he is continually confused by that fact. And he says this was simply not a major issue for a large portion of his life. And I think that that's an interesting and interesting thing to discuss. You mentioned that you wrote a piece that sort of kickstarted this debate, But can you speak to sort of the beforetime when immigration is not.

there was a huge wave. And it was also a different way than than that it had come in before. A lot of Eastern Europeans and so on. I mean, they appeared different to people who were here at the time.

Of course, nothing compared to what we've had subsequently. Anyway, in mid nineteen twenties, Americans just cut off immigration the nineteen twenty four Immigration Act, and they not only cut it off but extill it is allowed at tall it was allowed proportion to the ethnic groups that were already in the country, so that for example, Northwest Europe was favored and other groups were completely cut out, I mean the no ation, no Asans, and no Blacks and so on.

And for over forty years there was essentially no immigration to the US from the twenty four until maybe six sixty eight, and in fact there was emigration in the thirties, and that meant that whole generation of people grew up who would never thought about immigration, were completely unaware of it, didn't give any thought to it at all. And you know, generally speaking, and you see the same thing academics. You know, it's not that one group of ideas defeats another group

of ideas. It's just that the academics hold the earlier ideas die off and they're replaced by new people. And that's what really needed to happen with the immigration debate. I was always aware of the immigration issue for various reasons. Well,

I'm just back up a second. In ninety sixty five, the Congress, in this law where nobody thought about immigration, passed the Heart Salar Act, which basically through the borders open, and it threw them open in a very peculiar way, prioritize what they call family unification, which meant basically got chain migration from the few countries that we're able to come in and get establish establish a base here. And it was also vastly greater than anybody thought was going

to happen. I mean, Teddy Keredy at the time testified I think no Robert Caredy at the time testified that he expected immigration, which was then running about one hundred to two thousand year, might go go up to half million, and then it would received. What's actually happened is it's uh, it's been running that over mini a year consistently for since in ninety sixty eight when they when the heart

cellar art took effect. And at the same time, the for reasons would be were looking into the American authorts has just simply stopped enforcing the law against the legal immigration. So he got this tremendous surge of illegal immigration. There had been a surge of illegal immigration in the fifties, but eisen Now stopped it in six months with his operation went back and the over a million and a

half illegal immigrants left the country. Uh, not all that many were deported, maybe about two hundred thousand were deported, but that was enough to trigger a stampede of them leaving on their own accord. That's why we consistently said that this would happen if the board, if it was a serious effort to deport any number, any numbers of immigrants, that will be will be massive self deportation. And that

is in fact what's happened now. I guess a straight along way from your question, Jerry, what do you want to know?

new family which can be reunified. But what I asked was specifically to talk about the time before immigration was a political issue and how it became one.

So I was always interested in this question. And I remember when I was a fortune in goodness me in the in the early eighties. I tried to I tried to get them interested in the question, but they just wouldn't. They didn't see it being discussed in the page in the New York Times, so therefore it wasn't it wasn't it wasn't it wasn't newsworthy. If the New York Times hadn't mentioned,

it wasn't newsworthy. And in those days, that was before the FCC changes which made talk radio possible, they had this so called balance through where you weren't supposed to express political opinions on radio without giving the opposite time to the opposite side, with the result that radio stations

didn't express political opinions. But they were changing regulations in the in the mid eighties, and they taught radio much more active, and some immigrations began to occur there simply because people would call radio hosts and ask about it. But you're completely right. I mean, for example, in the after I wrote my Time to Rethink Immigration piece in

National Review. In those days, I was I was pretty well into the conservative cateacomb that exists in New York of journalists and foundation executives and so on, people who wouldn't be seen dead with me today. But I remember we had a dinner at one of the Union League I believe, and Bob Bartley to the Wards the Journal was there to specifically to argue with me, which he did in a very stupid way. He I mean, he would say things like, it's completely impossible close the southern border.

It can't be done. And macross is that you know, this is the character that sent a mount to the moon. Of course it can close the southern border if they wont spec there's the built forty thousand miles of interstate, the southern borders two and a half thousand miles across. Of course, to an offense from it, he could build a hundred foot wall about it if they want to do it. The problem is that they didn't want to do it. The political elite didn't want to do it

for reasons which again are worth looking into. But left and right didn't want to do it. But one of the principal chief foundation executives there, who I won't name or who were still active, who called him up afterwards and said, I've never heard of anantissist before immigration Now he'd never heard of it. He had no idea what what was governing immigration to the country in those days. If you taught to people, they would think they regarded

immigration candid like rain or the weather or something. It just came and went oous on a court. They didn't realize it was a government policy. They had just no idea of conception that at all. And similarly, the idea of the birth right syste the point that you mentioned. You know, in the early days, we quite often get people saying, well, it's in the constitution. Of course you're

not in the constitution. It's just a judicial interpretation. But even as later as when McCain was running for president, people who will raise this question with him and would say it was in the constitution. I mean, in his case it was just willful ignorance. But you're right, the amount of the amount of discussion of immigration, Sue was. To anybody who wasn't there, it just it must be amazing to think that they realize that there was no

discussion immigration. People just didn't realize that it was there. But of course when it did really really suggly ahead. In the fourth of my article, the for about after I published my article, for about five years we were campaigning and we campaigned the National View against immigration and we challenged the walls to journal which was sort of the intellectually leaves of the conservative movement which was fanatical open borders, had a fanatical open borders line. And then

Bill Buckley basically established in the back. He fired John as the earlier to a National Review, and he purged the magazine of Immigration Patriots, and for several years they didn't say anything about immigration to all. They went back to top silence. As the Waters and I pointed out, they said, immigration is no longer issue. This has ceased to be a political issue. That was in about two thousand. In about when you get to marriage. You have to

to keeping the decades straight. It must have been about two thousand. Uh when when when they ran and paused, You go, what the calm saying this ceased to be a political issue. Well, of course it hadn't cease to become a political issue, and they, naturally view went back to discussing immigration. After nine to eleven a part they got word from nail Concentral that it was now okay to discuss immigration. I mean, that's the other thing that's amazing,

amazing to me that people have changed. Norman pot Horz was the great leader of the of the this neo conservative. It was a Jewish faction basically in the based in New York, but had enormous influence all the rest of the conservative movement. At the end of his life and he died, I'm sorry to say, just a few weeks ago. It was in his nineties, at the end of his life.

He suddenly gives into saying it's changed his mind. And immigration, immigrations, there's a limit to how many immiuts we can have now, he tells us. It was twenty years, twenty years, nearly thirty years after he spent a great deal of time undermining of Sullivan and getting pocketed fire and so on, and of course he's arguably too late. She the same thing with Ben Shapiro. He's in this war with Tucker Carlson.

And in the interview again, I guess i'll Megan Kelly, he said, of course, of course Tucker's done some good things. He's he's very good and immigration, Tucky's in favorite immigration moratorium. You know, ten years ago Shapiro denounced me actually in National View as a white supremacist for no other reason than that who was calling for immigration to be reduced. So he's given away on that too. I guess they

think they have more important things to worry about. Now they're concerned about They're concerned about protecting Israel, and they just decided they after showing their front and not some of these other issues which were mostly attached to for essentially rational reasons.

labor people who were unlikely to unionize. That was still there, but it became real all of a sudden, there's a threat. And I think you see a very similar thing happening with exactly those figures you mentioned before. Where as much as they like immigration, now there's something much closer to home that is being threatened, and so they're sort of pulling their resources, you know, away from this peripheraliation.

quite clearly detabilized American politics. It's making possible. Elon Musk treated this this morning. I think, though, well, the Democrats intend to do is flood the country with immigrants and then with harvest the votes and established one party state, so as they're done in California and the certain center in Maryland and so on. So I think that I think Mandali means what he says, and that that life is going to get quite uncomfortable rich people in New York.

And of course Mandama was elected because of the immigrant vote. Native for Americans and who lived in New York vote voted for Cuomo or for the sleeve world. If the immigrants have they put him over with Tom. So I would have thought that people draw conclusions from this, But you know, I've been thinking people got to conclusions about this for many years, and it's taken a hell of a long time.

well as other nations. And I mean Mamdani is an example of that, which is sort of a fascinating change because look, I don't think and I'm not going to pretend to be a you know, an expert on the issue. It doesn't seem to me that many El Salvadorans particularly care about the state of Israel, but Muslims from areas around Israel very much do. And so when you look at someone like Mamdani, who I think that a lot of the coverage of him from the kind of legacy

conservative press has been a little bit sensational. I don't think he is a jihattist. He has other issues you know that that preclude me from supporting him, But fundamentally, I think that's an interesting element as well. That and we've seen this since the you know, October seventh, that there have been these sort of ethnic conflicts erupting across the nation, setting aside even the anti Ice riots, which certainly have a racial ethnic component to them. Right, people

chanting about Loraza. But all of a sudden, and this is something Canada has faced with their Sikh population. You're seeing other countries' disputes being waged on our streets. So I'm curious, what do you make of that dynamic, the fact that we are pulling from different nations than we were even ten, twenty thirty years ago.

actually governments throughout the West are doing. For reasons which bear thinking about, what is that is the purpose of this The most important difference with this post sixty five

stream is that it was non white. It's heavily non white, and I'm only about ten percent of the immigrants have comments since since sixty five were including me a white or all the others come from all over the world, as you say, predominantly has created two new men artists, basically Hispanics on the one hand and Asians on the other.

Decent ply weren't present in the US before. There were some Chinatowns and so on, but it was from an immigration wave in the nineteen cent that had been deliberately cut off. So and what that's done is it's moved the US from being about ninety percent white as it was in nineteen sixty to being probably less than sixty

percent white now. And this is a particular poem for the Republican Party that was too stupid to realize it, because the Booking Party essentially is a white party all the ninety pens of its world so wide, the Democrats are actually a coalition of POC's people of color, use, homosexuals, and some whites. But we've done calculations and showed saying that the presidential vote that Democrats get, it's probably less

than half what you might call normal whites. Now it's if you add the people called to the Jews and homosexuals, they're more than half the electoral vote that the public that the Democrats get. So there's kind of bipolar distribution ethnically, these two parties, Republicans and Democrats, they're represented representing completely different nations. And the problem that the Poems have got is that they are allowing their own nation to be

driven even further into minority. And it's proved incredibly hard to get Republican consultants to grasp this fact. I mean, that is why you see this extraordinary ludicrous phenomena of Republicans, the great Black Hope phenomenon. They're always running these black candidates because they think it's going to get you know, like they did in Virginia. This last time wins some seers for governor. That is not going to help you

turn out the white vote. And in fact, they only got about fifty three to fifty four percent of the white vote in Virginia. It's not surprised, it's not surprising at the lost, but for some reason it really appeals to Republican consultants, and I think think because it's a matter of the domos that makes the domors feel better well.

There has been some growth through a Republican party, but it's nowhere near a majority. It is a losing game fundamentally, and I think that there is this, and whether you want to call it residual guilt or whatever, which the idea seems to be that our political project is illegitimate unless we have broad minority support. That is what lends politics.

It's legitimacy. And this is obviously not what I think, but it seemed to be what a large number of Republicans think, including Rod Dreyer, someone I cited in that article conservative luminary Brillin Holly Hand. Many of these figures who even now are being touted as you know, the great minds of this conservative movement are ultimately pulling from the same playbook that has lost the Republicans every election

they've ever lost since nineteen sixty four. And it's so frustrating to me because, again, sitting aside any of your or my personal preferences, if you were simply looking this, you know, if you were examining the politics of Peru with you know, a similar situation, you would say, well, why does Red Team do this? Seemingly if they wanted to win, they'd make a very simple conclusion, and yet they will not. Sorry, we've began a ranting.

minority outreach. As Steve said, you know, Bush in two thousand got like fifty one percent of the white vote. It was disastrous performance. And that was why I last and Steve poted out that if you had if you could increase that by only two or three percent, sports will the shaff of the white vote, that would any conceivable shift among the minority votes. But but the re problems didn't want to hear that, uh, And so we ran a whole series of articles and making this point.

So as long as we were around, and I call it the Sailor strategy, You've got to have in reach of the white base, not outreach to min ortis who aren't going to work for you anyway. And the ironic thing is that what Trump showed is that that by you know all, they had the ideas if we mentioned immigration, the minor artists will flee from US. Well, that didn't happen with Trump. He did as well with mine artis et least as well as any other Republican has done,

even though he was being constantly denounced. Has been extremely immigration restrictionness, which which in fact he wasn't. But when I started doing that, there was a thing what the hell is it called? Oh, doesn't aggregate to there? Called wasn't red state rest state news anyway, they immediately banned any reference to you there because you've got the guy said that appealing to the white vote is in itself racist, and therefore nobody was allowed to post to be their

articles on this aggregator. And I got I got an email from Judo Anisky, who you won't have heard of, but he was the architect of supply side economics. As a journalist, he was the crusader walstered journalists on and he wrote books The Way the World Works and Song, which are really important in the aged because it was

a theoretical rationale behind Reagan's task cuts and everything. I get this email, fan, I know if you are to get this email from and saying Peter, you've gone too far by saying that the Republicans couldn't should appeal to the white vaute. You're just not allowed to say it, even though it's simply question arithmetic. You know, you're not going to like people say California has lost and so on.

But there are many years when the Republican statewide candiates in California don't get a majority of the white voate. You're not going to get a majority of the white vote in California. You're not going to carry California. But they they are absolutely determined not to get this lesson to the point where I think there actually is some entryism and and and and the Republican Party. There are a lot of Republicans who are actually cover Democrats and

happy with the Democrats system. And I think we've seen that since Trump came into part because a lot of these never Trumps and people joined the Republican Party. So on the what are protections in the Bush White House? But now now then, now they've become Democrats, they've revealed themselves to the Democrats.

as well as a few others. One of the Dynamics and look, I think if we're examining the Trump administration, especially the second time around, the greatest successes have been in the area of immigration, right setting aside other issues, but one area that I think there's sort of a pernicious game being played is legal immigration, particularly around obviously H one B programs, which have gotten you know, very have gotten a lot of press, but also the others

given to international students, the so called you know, genius grants or the so called genius visas excuse me, and others. And it seems as if there's sort of a game being played, you know, to shut the southern border, which certainly needed to happen, and that is a great win, but to effectively accomplish the same end by importing labor legally.

And I think one of the interesting things that I'm curious to see you were mentioning the sailors strategy and how Trump appealed to implicitly he never said this to a great number of white voters who had traditionally voted for the Democrats. Working class whites and that immigration issue, because again, a lot of low skill immigration affects working

class whites. I mean, I worked construction through college and there are whole industries in construction which no one who is born here actually does anymore because it has been entirely outsourced. And those which remain when you think of high paying blue collar professions are the ones where effectively immigrants are barred from working. Electricians, plumber is something where we have to be bonded and insured, and those have

high wages. The other trades do not. But point is, he was able to pull in that part of his new constituency on immigration. But as we've sort of moved to this, the system has sort of shifted towards a focus on high skilled legal immigration. We're starting to see the burden of mass migration shift from the working class and up into what we call the laptop class, people like me who have jobs where they work from home

and you know, type all day. And you've seen this in programming, engineering, these jobs which traditionally were jobs for upwardly mobile middle class people. So I'm curious, and I'll finally get to a question, Peter, what do you make of both the fact that the burden of immigration is shifting onto a different segment of society, one which is quite left wing urban professionals, and what do you think of that transition as well, from illegal mass migration to

legal mass migration. I'll throw it to you.

And that wasn't the case with genitism and and you know the blue blue color workers generally, and of course now it's getting it really is out of control with the vast numbers of Indian Indians coming in who are relatively high skilled. I say relatively, but it's not clear than many of these H one B the temporary visas, which were something that was created in I guess twenty ten, it's not clear that they actually are high skilled. They're

just cheaper. But the problem is that But the problem they've got is it really does, it really does irritate people, articulate people. So it's a step really that it's a sign really that the immigration debate is moving into its file stages because they're mobilizing people who who can fly back, and that's going to be a big problem for them. Well, you know, the fanaticism of the of the immigration enthusiasts

can't be underestimated. I mean, in every Western country they move to important vast numbers of not even vetting these impigants coming into Britain, for example, a lot of them will come across this the channel. Uh. And similarly with with Merkel Angelo Merkele just suddenly letting a million refugees from Syria. Uh. And they were invited either. I mean, there's there's no question they weren't asking them what, what

the qualifications were, anything like that. It was at that relatively late stage and immigration debate where all the countries in Western Europe had anti immigration party getting off the way and so on. It was a very extraordinary move. But there's what Biden did. I mean, if you look, they obviously quite deliberately throughout the southern border and they went to great lengths to import people and to scat

them all around the country, no questions asked. And the only rationalf of that is is that they wanted to knock out the Wye majaritis in the country. The Democrats are convinced that that they're going to get to they can get these poc boats and they're not going to have to bother up the white working class. It's tree, of course, it's the but the will parle behind it was simp extraordinary. And the same in Ireland. I mean, you know, the Irish government is suppressing any kind of

resistance to this enormous immigration. And this is a country where there's no immigration at all until very recently, and now it's like twenty percent forum born, thirty percent forum born, and they built the bulldoze in archaeological sites all around the country to build houses for them and dump them in and the west of Ireland, in the remote places, they're just the will, the determination lects to people that lect to new people with extraordinary It's something that you

know at some point there's going to be to seriously have to be serious historical inquiries of this question, why did they suddenly decide to do this?

no ground to stand on. But in the case of the Irish, it's almost comedic, right, because it's like, well, who have the Irish victimized? I mean, look, I don't like going to Boston, so maybe I have an axe to grind, but realistically the idea of an Irish empire is almost laughable. Similarly with the Swedes, right, I'm not sure if you're you're aware of this, but there was a I believe it was a plaque at a in

some major Swedish city. I know the photo. I don't have the citation on that, but it's talking about how, you know, Sweden bears historical guilt for its involvement in the international slave trade because don't you know, Swedish iron works made iron into links, which was fashioned into manacles for slaves. And it's a laughable example, yeah, but it does sort of show that whatever stick they need to grab to beat you into submission, they will. And these

arguments are almost indeterminate. It is simply we want to be in the elite. We want to replace white majority populations, and whatever we have to say to do that, it will be said regardless of if it's true. As you know you've seen in the case of the residential schools in Canada, it's completely fake.

you're quite right. I mean, they weren't running it, so uh, I mean the whole thing is have soon in his face that the fact is that the colonial colonial empires were the best things ever happened to these people, and the fact.

Trump the action in venezuether. I me mean at least that it may be that at some point they're going to have to, you know, rule Mexico directly in order to cross the cartel and to get its a column into batter shape and to prevent people coming out from the south. I don't know.

consequences of immigration. But nonetheless you see this sort of lack where people who are suffering in the economy, but who have gone through progressive institutions have internalized that sort of morality, are still very uncomfortable speaking negatively about immigration, even with respect to Indians, who seem to be the

most acceptable target for any number of reasons. So I'm curious, one, what do you see that final stage of the immigration debate being and how do you think this sort of new affected group will affect that.

and basically gets control of its own institutions. The other solution, the other endgame, is what we see it seems to be emerging in Europe, which is that the political class simply goes into the wholesale repression or the resistance to immigration. I mean the crackdown after the Southport killings. You know in Britain it was simply extraordinary. I mean they were jailing people for tweets and you know, there's no First

Amendment in Britain. It is actually a Plice state, it's become a police state, and the labor going what wants to drab that even further. And it's so it's it's it's conceivable they will be able to repress all opposition. They're just to completely devacinate these areas. But I don't think so. I mean, it's did you know Nick Griffin for BN Period Leader made a very interesting point recently. He said that the apparatus of the British state is not actually all that great. The armies. The army has

been purished and dismantle. He estimates for about forty thousand soldiers who could actually take put put on the streets. And the police forces, although they are they are paramilitary now and they are certainly very left wing in Britain, they still don't amount to all that substantial numbers. So he's he's very in from the old situation Ulster where there it's this low grade civil war that went on for years and the authorities were not we're not able

to get control of it. So so you know it maybe that will see a color a real color revolution. These were in some of these countries that the dream of the point that people would take to the streets and overwhelmed the government. And yeah, I was very impressed. You know, I lived in Canada for years and I was just everybody regards the Canadian the angle Canadians has

been completely superhi and there's some reason for that. But they did organize this enormous and it came out of Noah, these trucks protests during the COVID the COVID strike, which is simply extraordin. Again, they were crushed in the most ruthless way about the government. They were debanking people and all that kind of thing. But you know, it came out of nowhere. Before these things come out of nowhere again. So those are the two possibilities that were the thing

is solved. It's basically though, sensible legislation and sensible policy all that. They just really really tried to completely suppress the popular resistance and that could go like that could lead to real chaos.

But several things there, which is one, I think that there is a certain smugness from American conservatives towards the Anglos. They're the Anglo sphere more broadly, and I think some of this is a Second Amendment cope. You know, look like I like guns as much as the next guy. But either that that Second Amendment thesis of you know, this is what protects us from whoever they are, it

clearly hasn't worked out. But also I think that there is this sort of narrative, as you mentioned earlier, that you know, the Canadians are souphine that the Brits are you know, completely and totally done. And there's two things, which is one, the demographics of a place like England are much stronger than they are here and also they have the other advantage that their government security apparatus is

nowhere near as competent as ours is. You know, as you mentioned with Letitia James earlier, as badly run as our government is, it is still more than big enough to ruin any one of our lives if it is interested. The same is true in the UK. But to your point about the army, it is clear that this is not a healthy, thriving nation with a lot of disposable power.

I've been sort of fascinated by, as you mentioned earlier, the reaction to Southport, because it seems as if Starmar and let's be honest, many of those laws were pushed through by the Conservative Party, you know, before he ever took off. It is effectively pursuing sort of a Stalinist plan, or the idea is to throw every dissident in jail. You know, you could have housewives, housewives facing three years

for comments about migrant hotels. And I look at that, and on one hand, you know that the repression is incredible, genuinely incredible. I cannot believe it. But also at the same time it seems to be a weak, crumbling system, and so I don't know when those two trend lines intersect, because on one hand, you could look at Southport and say, well, you know, all of those men were thrown in jail. You know, they had judges working around the night. Clearly

they were able to tamp this down. But on the other hand, it seems to me that the government of the United Kingdom will use that word to describe it because it's you know, accurate in this context. But to me, they seem to be very scared. They seem to be afraid. And when I see figures like is it David Bett's constantly talking about a civil war, you know, sweeping the sweeping the island. To me that I'm not entirely sure,

you know, a civil war. But the idea of as you mentioned, a sort of you know, ulster esque low grade conflict, I mean, that seems to be entirely plausible. I mean, in France you already see things quite like you know, they have obviously kind of a resurgent anti immigration movement, but also just straight up ethnic mafias. You know, you have you know, groups of uh, you know, North Africans with very serious hardware conducting hits out in French cities.

You know, belt fed machine guns and all that, and so that is a profoundly unstable mix. So a lot there, I realized I threw you all at once. But I'm curious, what do you make of, you know, the ability of the government in the UK or you know, across the world to manage a conflict between you know, the native born population and immigrant populations.

completely grassroots. The worst. There have been a number of splinter parties in Britain that but tried to try to, uh, you know, develop the immigration issue, and of course they're repressed in all kinds of ways, and they kept off, they kept off the social media and all that kind of thing, but they were absolutely unable to get any kind of vote in the local action that immediately proceeded off that mattal In parliamentary action, but immediately proceed to Southport.

What happened was completely spontaneous. It wasn't it wasn't being controlled by anybody. And that's the thing, the really scary thing for the government. And I would say the same thing is true with Canada, with the with the Trocke protests we speak to some kind of Canada has been overwhelmed by immigration, and I think that the population is obviously getting really restless. And it had just happened that the COVID stuff was was was what was what was

what triggered it? I mean, our problem, of course is law fare, the ability of the ability of rogue rogue prosecutors like Letitia James to try to throw a form press United States in prison on that fantastically fantastic legal theory, ludicrous and ridiculous legal theory. And and what he showed is that the courts, the courts in New York State will apparently entertain that they should never never have allowed that, okay, those cases to go to court, but they did and

they're still in court. And and if if if I think, if the Republicans lose in the twenty twenty eight, is that what it says, yeah that there will probably shoe try and go to jail, and the news effort to get to get Trump to go to jail. And this is quite new. I mean, this is what was going on under Biden. Was what happened in Eastern Europe after after ninety forty five when the Soviets got controlled the area.

But they didn't immediately impose communist governments on those on those in those countries polled and check us a back and so on. It took several years, and one of the ways in which they did it was criminalized in opposition. And they did it with the with the enthusiastic support of politicized judges. And that's what we've got here. The judiciary, both federally and but particular the statesline New York. It's it's and not just the judiciary, but but the whole

prosecutor operatus is completely politicized. And you know they're going to after in peace and convict judges by the hundreds to clean this situation up. Ye of God, it's a very bad lookout for us because we have no hope justice in the New York States court system at all. They'll just get up and tell the black juris that that with neo Nazism, and that that's the end of ours well, and.

likelihood die in jail. They will again for something completely and totally made up, decide that he has broken some law, charge him five hundred million dollars for you know, a routine you know, reporting violation, and then his life is over. It already debanked him, his entire family. They've threatened to throw Pete hag Seth in jail and send him to the Hague. And Okay, ten years ago, maybe that's you know, strident rhetoric, but they basically did it. In between twenty

twenty and twenty twenty four, they raided his house. You know, a number of his associates were either sent to prison or given you know, hefty fines and when you throw on additionally the level of political violence, Trump himself being shot, Charlie Kirk being assassinated. This this kind of wave of

leftist terror. And to me, that's what I find so frustrating is that apparently, even for their own self preservation, these people are either too useless to incompetent or unwilling to do exactly what you said, which is smash this rogue judiciary. It needs to be smashed or else. Effectively, the president is not the president. We don't live in a real country anymore. We live under this, you know, Rabbinic Council of Judges and.

that kritar was that obviously anti Semitic term. Of course it's not, it's not a is a Greek term meaning rule by judges. It's not antismic at all. But you know, in the climate we were in and with Biden and a similar stemp still you know, to be accused as to be found guilty.

and so on. I myself, Ma'm Peter Brimlaw dot com, which is actually a substack, but I've start to do that just a less than a year ago, and I write there as often as I can, and I will occasionally repost articles from vidad I think need to be read, cycled and commented on For example, I reviewed Dinesh to Susan's book on race uh way back when, and I reposted with comments when I went to Susan was in

the news recently, and actually I just reposted yesterday. We did a video of of how Jay six would have been played if it had been if Trouble been a Democrat, And the answer is, of course that he would have been. They would have been regarded as heroes and and and they the media would have been going on about police brutality and all that kind of thing. So I reposted that yesterday because that that issue is not going away either,

the total control of the mainstream narrative. It's it's one of the effects of the Internet, paradoxically, has been to impose the enormous discipline on the manstrym media what it will actually cover uh. And that's the way where they were they were to get away with is like the Sharksville Hoaks, you know, I mean, obviously the First Amendment rights of the UTR, the United the Right demonstrators were were completely crossed by by by this Charlesville government and

the and the Virginia State government. And they've been unable to get redressed in the courts. The only reason that hope that was that worked politically is because it was tremendously tight control of what you could say what happened to Charlottesville as they wanted to as there was on Jay six. Have you looked at Jason Kessler's book on Charlottesville? No, I have not known. Let me pull it up now, I'll send you. So here's somebody you should perhaps have

on He's moved to West Virginia. I'm infair. Everybody moved to West Virginia is a feeshtong Appalachia. This is this is one state that's not going to flip. It's not there's not there's no big black city here that the Democrats can use it to kick around everybody else. Uh. And of course they met the election, the election, the twenty twenty election. I mean, that was clearly a suspect election, but you just weren't allowed to say that. I'd better

check with it. By the way, we love to say that's on YouTube.