Selling your Birthright w/ Braxton McCoy: The J. Burden Show Ep. 471

I gave you twenty seconds ago. So the kids say it's a skill issue. I really had nothing better than that. I get it. I got the same problem. Well, you got like a TBI. I was just born this way. Yeah. Well I was like I was bad before, you know, so it's just like increased. I was born retarded. Did you know my mom had me tested when I was a kid because she thought I was retarded. Did I ever tell you about that?

he's not retarded. He's just really stubborn. And they're like, all right, well, I mean you know that's not a medical condition.

separate things. But Braxton, since the last time we spoke on air, you went on Tucker, you started a conservation organization, or at least I became a way of it. So I'm curious before we get into this, where did this come from?

And I used to tell them all. I can remember, like multiple conversations sometimes even in DC, talking to these guys before we'd go, you know, sit down with senators or whatever, and telling them like, look, man, you have got to approach this from a right wing perspective as far as like sales and transfers and this sort of stuff goes. The left is not the one, at least back then that was pushing for that. It was always

the right. So bringing these kind of lefty talking points is not going to sway right wing congressman at all, because he knows instinctively that you do not represent his voters. Right. So, in fact, one time, the head of the organization, we were having lunch and I was like, is your goal to just have a liberals who hunt group? Because if that's

your goal, then you've done it. So anyway, so I was doing that kind of stuff back then, and I just couldn't really get my position within the organization pushed forward. A couple other guys had the same complaint and left, So then I just kind of started writing about it and talking about everywhere I would go. And then Mike Leathan came up and you know, with the with the big beautiful bill stuff, and they were absolutely trying to

sell off all of the BLM. Like they'll try to tell you they weren't doing that, and that forrest too, Like one map they tried to say was a bullshit map was not anyway, the main goal was selling all off and this was like a gateway in. So when I was reading kind of behind the scenes and then talking to friends, I just basically made it my job for two weeks to troll Mike Lee. I told my wife, I was like, this is all I'm going to do

for two weeks. We're just not going to let this guy breathe, right, So I started doing that and then somehow that got the attention of Sean, Ryan's former producer, and he reached out and was like, can you be out here in like two days? And I said yeah, no matter what. And he's like, can you handle the travel? And I said, yeah, whatever, dude, I'll be there, Like this is a big deal for me. And so I wrote kind of what the show outline would look like.

You know, Sean's a passionate outdoorsman, but this is like, this topic is hyper niche, right, so you've got to be into it, and it takes a long time to understand all the different kind of political machinations behind the scenes and all that, so you really sort of need somebody who's been steeped in it. So I wrote the show outline and sent it to him, and obviously they made adjustments. They're pros and they were like, hey, we'll

see you on Thursday or whatever it was. And then I flew out there and did that, and then that got the attention of Tucker and I had a friend hit me up, Philip, I think it was it was Philip, and he was like, you know, you have to start an org. You have to kind of start your own organization. I said, all right, So we set that up and so that's how we got here. That's that's the rambling version of how the organization got started. Well, I think it the issue of a public lands and the kind

of like natural birthright of our country. I think it's an interesting one because it sort of strikes at this fault line right between To be honest, it's like what are we conserving? Like what is the point of this country? And you know they're this fight has been raging for

longer than you or I are been alive. But it's sort of this perfect encapsulation of it is the point of America to be this sort of strip mall where anyone can come and get rich and as long as the business is doing well, you get a positive cash flow and that's a good country. Or is it a place for a people a place for Americans to live, and it really, I think, struck a chord with a lot of people because it's there are few things as

popular as in natural parks and public land. Don't get me wrong, there are issues you know better than I the whole situation with water rights and grazing and all that. But the number of people who say, yeah, we should take that, sell it to property developers and move the entire population of Mumbai there is next to zero. It's not particularly popular.

And I think that I'll be the first to admit before you started talking about it, wasn't even an issue that I really thought about because I live in a part of the country where there aren't a lot of public land, and you know, like a lot of East Coast guys, was shocked and amazed when I went out west and saw like, oh, this like incredible natural beauty.

And then to be told by an immigration restrictionist, maga hardliner like Lee or any others, oh wait, we're going to sell that off because we did it with the private market. It's okay, It's like we look, man, I don't care, like I don't care about that part. The reason I care about America is because it's a home for people like me, you know, not because it's a balance sheet, says USA at the top.

either way. Clear back on the campaign flyer, he's talking about this and if you look at like his his prior work, he worked as a litigator for or in house council rather for energy solutions, So it really it's kind of a you don't have to scratch your head to figure out why he even ran for office to begin with, right, So in some ways this is his main things and as far as the immigration restriction is part.

This is my view of politics is that different. Everyone is representing an interest of some kind, and a lot of the reason that Republicans will look as if they're like flip floppy or wishy washy on stuff is they're reading the tea leaves of like political discourse, and then they'll try to kind of chameleon into one little part of it in order to look a certain way, but they didn't actually change their fundamental purpose for being there. Look at like Ted Cruz with Zionism, Mike Lee with

public land. You see this kind of pattern emerge, and they'll pretend to be super based on something, but really it's just in furtherance of whatever reason they were elected to begin with. So that's something to all in my view to bear in mind. When you're watching these people, they're they're not as some people say, oh, they just you know, this guy will change his position sort of at a whim, you know, if that's what people want. It's like, yes, so now why is he there? Right?

You have to ask the next question, and most people don't do that. And to your other point, as far as like my GDP and line go up and all this stuff, libertarianism sort of libertarian economic theory kind of infected all of right wing populist politics through I don't know, I guess I'm not a person who should tell you

when it started. But for most of my life this was like the definitional conservative was the guy who says less government, less taxes, all this stuff that doesn't address the main question like what are you conserving if you're a conservative? So that sort of ethos, in my view, has got to go. And it's not to say it's like a wrong economic theory. It's just got a bad

starting point. So like, let's go back to the starting point and then if you want to overlay this economic theory back in and see how it works out, and then maybe we can do that. But the starting point

should be, uh, is this good for American families? Because that's what I'm trying to conserve is that people Well, I don't know if you saw this, Braxton, but there's been a viral post going around Twitter of this guy who basically, you know, made his son, you know, sell like pistained carpets so that he could buy his first car when he turned sixteen. And okay, fair enough, like I worked crappy jobs by my first car. Whatever.

is everything wrong. But I think it's kind of interesting because I think that a lot of a lot of conservatives rightly have this understanding that like, you know, you've got to you've got to practice tough love, and you've got to raise your kids in such a way that they understand, you know, they can't depend on hand numps, which I understand that's a laudable goal. And you know, I'm sure we've all seen examples of you know, kids who are given way too much and they become monsters

as an adult. And so all right, fair enough, we're seeing that instinct to leave something to your children, a less right, something that will prepare them for the world after you're gone. And I think that's an instinct that conservatives naturally have.

it was never something for someone to burn. And now it's something that sort of serves as you know, an economic engine, a retirement plan for you know, their eighty five year old grandfather. And so that's something that yeah, sure, any one person at a point in time could have cashed in their chips, right, they could have sold they

could have individually made their lives better. And conservatives, right wingers, libertarians, that whole side of things really like property rights, and I understand why right, because the government, the lefties whatever, they're attacking that, you know, they want you to own nothing and be happy quote unquote, But like the correct understanding of property is like, yeah, it is yours, you own it, but it's not yours in the sense that it is right for you to do whatever you want

with it. Right, just as you have an obligation or you were given something by those people before you, you have an obligation to those people who come after you. That's the conservation. You're sort of conserving, the like civil as a seed corn and the idea that like, well it says my name on the deed, so I can burn everything down so that I can go out on a cruise ship or whatever.

this is the conversation I had. Man, let me tell you, it's the most black billing thing you'll ever listen to the world, because it'll be people like sitting around joking about like, yeah, this, I'm on my kid's college fund

right now. You know this, twenty thousand dollars voat trip My kids are going to be working for every set And look like, you know what, I don't grudge anyone enjoying their retirement, right, but taking that and sort of turning that into a joke and like laughing about it that I am going to, you know, take everything with me. Obviously that's not literally what you know, Mike Lee or

any of these guys are saying. But it's that same thing, right of like effectively burning this asset and for what to make up a fraction of the debt that we're never going to pay back anyway, to line your pockets in your friend's pockets. It's like, one that is far from a conservative impulse. And two, once it's gone, it's gone.

You can't sell the farm twice. You can't you sell more of this effectively irreparable or irreparably irreplaceable kind of natural beauty and I don't know, man, it's it's an attitude that really bothers me.

Jamestown Colony, the intent was exploitative. They had been seeing, you know, the Spanish bringing back hordes of gold, and they were like, well, I'm gonna go get mine, right, So it was a purely profit driven venture to begin with. But the real turn happens when John Smith realizes that the land is actually what's valuable, like the place. So at the very core route beginning of America is this idea that the dirt is what makes this place what it is, you know, or in terms of like value.

So to ignore that and be like, well, whatever, how about some fiat for the you know what I mean, I'm gonna I'm going to get rid of this thing that actually was the you know, the foundation of what the country became. I'm going to get rid of that for some printed you know money, like what what are we even doing here? Like? You know, So I would argue that America as an idea begins with John Smith. Many people make that argument, but it's the land itself.

So an American is something tied to this idea of an expanse from the very start.

reminded me of that. This is from ecclesiastic If you see the oppression of the poor and the violent perversion of justice and righteousness in the province, do not marvel at this matter or high official for the high official watches over high official and higher officials over them. Most interesting part, the last one, moreover, the profit of the land is for all, even the king is served from

the field. And that idea, right that the land is the nation that is where the prosperity sort of flows up from, I think is one that has really been we've really moved away from. You know, you can talk to you know, listen to my buddy, you know, Peruvian Bull, who's been on the internet forever talking about this, that there's sort of a maximum stable amount of your economy that can come from finance, usury, right, moving money around.

I guess a useful thing. You know, it's helpful to be able to get loans so you can do things. I mean, like, let's be honest, the settlement of America was you know, in certain places done on right. You know, you get a loan and then when you set up your farm you can pay it back. Right, we understand that. But at the same time, the maximum number historically is something like you know, five to twelve percent.

math on it. Right now, like sprub land type stuff out here is higher than I've ever seen it, like we would call it grass like grazing ground or whatever, higher than I've ever seen it, And the average is probably around thirty five hundred an acre, and that's incredibly high given that it can't even produce five hundred an acre. Right, if you actually did thirty five hundred an acre, you could buy all the land in the state of Idaho for around hundred billion. Maybe it was one hundred and

fifteen billion that I found. So just given how much public land is in the state of Idaho and how much public land is in the rest of the West, and use the number one hundred and fifteen billion, and then kind of times it by the eleven public land states, because the number is going to be lower in Nevada because the ground is worse even less. So you just kind of do that and you come up to about like what a trillion, you know, So where are you

getting this one hundred x figure? They're just making it up, right, So you sell all this off and you get a trillion. Well, we're what forty trillion into what was the number right now?

well that's what it's for. So it's pay it's kickbacks, it's it's it's like everything else in politics, right, it's it's personal interest or personal gain rather.

or other nations will leave it there. But in my mind, and this is a sort of a sidetrack and get back to, you know, the kind of nature of American soul, which I want to get to. But I think, like a lot of people, I didn't realize how big the India lobby had gotten until the I think it was a twenty twenty four RNC. Right, oh yeah, where all of a sudden we've got someone at the front leading the whole crowd and some kind of Hindu prayer And you're like what yeah, And you look at it and

you're like, where where did this come from? Like, not only is this not like, oh, you know, a slow burn, it's like out of nowhere. Ostensibly the party of the American people, right, the people who've been here for a while. If you look at the voting patterns and stuff like that, it's like, where did this come from?

And you compare the idea of like the King's Forest where there's a limited amount of you know, game animals, there's a limited amount of fish, animal protein, and you were not able to access it. And then you read

you know they're in Jamestown. They're talking about like oysters like as big as your hand, you know, in an almost unlimited amount of you know, deer and fish in the rivers, and the access to basically live like a king, right to eat better than you know, nobility would in your home country like that, that was a huge draw. And all throughout the kind of settling of America you have this process of basically you know, second sons of guys who you know went bust. You always have the

option to go west and keep going west. And you see this over and over again in you know, American film,

American literature. There's this great section from my favorite book, All the King's Men, where the main character where I take my online pseudonym from, basically has this sort of crisis and he does this crazy you know, one sitting drive from Louisiana all the way to uh to Palm or to Long Beach, sorry my bad, across the country and it's maybe three paragraphs of text, and he's talking about like, going west is what you do in America when the note comes due, you don't have money, when

the well goes dry, when the police are out for you, that's what you do. And so even as someone who's lived their entire life, you know, within in the Blue Ridge Mountains, the the kind of symbolic importance of undisturbed. You know, Western Wildland is huge. It's our nation. It's our national story, right, like the cowboy is our version of you know, the Knight in arm or the Samurai whatever. It's our thing. And so yeah, sure, there's the economics

which don't add up. There's the very real sense of betrayal that you're selling us out for India. But on another level, it's like it feels the same as you know, taking dynamite to I don't know, the Lincoln Memorial or you know, something like that. It's a national symbol that's very core to Yeah, that's absolutely the American Americans, right.

It's just not very effective. So what they would say to this, they're wrong in lying. But what they would say to what you just said is, well, yeah, the draw was that you could own your own land, and these guys can't own their own land because you know, it's all swallowed up by bl and enforcers. That's not true.

There are government I've found in a book. I text you about this when I found it, but so I don't have it in my hand, so I can't show you, but I will put it out a document all the way back from like sixteen forty five where they're talking about the right to hunt and fish on all public properties. So this idea was intrinsic to the building of our people. Right, So you feel that you feel it as like emotion, but it is true historically too, like as a matter of fact.

and so I understand that. But if you look at how actually has national land been used, graded on a curve of government programs, people like it and it's going well. I think that honestly, and not looking to get into the whole Bundy thing, like we said, there are issues there one hundred percent, but I even look at positive developments within the Trump administration, for instance, you know, charging non citizens for access to this land, which I mean,

that's great. Like I remember when I went to Yellowstone, I was thirteen, so what fifteen years ago, and even then, you know, it looked like it was Shanghai. You know, it was wall to wall and Okay, you know what, that's not ideal. That's a problem that could be addressed. But there are a few things, in my mind, kind of more American than the American road trip, right, that idea of going to these places, and it's something that like,

you don't need to be particularly rich to do. It's a very normal middle even lower middle class thing to have seen these sites, and it's something that we all do benefit from, you know, we all do gain some sense of like this is a useful kind of end to my taxes, end to my money. And don't get me wrong, like there are any number of things that my tax dollars are spent on feel like a complete and total waste, right, you know, blowing up girls schools

halfway across the world, you know, smashing pictures of Jesus. Like, I don't like that. I don't like the fact that my money is used to you know, promote, you know, trans stuff in schools. But when it's like a minute fraction of that money that I basically just right off, it's just burned, goes to something that me and hopefully, you know, my descendants will be able to enjoy it.

It's like, well, we're gonna have taxes. That's not a bad place for them to go, you know, in the Grand Scheme to things great everything else they do.

money every year. It makes enough to pay for the floor service and the people in so we can just forget about it, right. So that's an important point. And then secondly, the idea that for your kids, that sort of thing like it's not mine, it's just mine for a time, you know, like Teddy Roosevelt said, we have to preserve it for those yet in the womb of time. Right. This concept is very important and I don't even know

that you can remain an American without that. Like what separates us well, I mean a lot of things now, but this is the thing that separated us from the British as we were, you know, a fledgling, upstart set of colonies and then eventually a nation. It was this thing. I feel you just have to be really, really careful when you start playing with foundational things, right, Like I was gonna say earlier, the Protestants Callar Michael Heiser. He talks a lot about sacred geography not to be or

cosmic geography. That's what he says, not to be confused with what's that guy's name, the asteroid guy, Randall Carlson. This is a guy making an argument from the Bible. And he points out that our modern sort of eyes and ears don't detect in the text, this this subtext that was obvious to all of them, like the importance of the land itself. Right, Like, for example, I forget his name, but this pagan guy, he's got leprosy, right, and he's struggling, and he's got a Jewish you know,

Hebrew slave girl or whatever. And the slave girl says, just go to the prophet, and the prophet can fix this. I don't know why you're complaining, right, And so he finally goes to Ezekiel, and Ezekiel won't even come out to meet him. Do you remember the story. He's like in his tenth and he won't even come out to meet him. And the noble pagan guy is sort of put off by this, right, He's like, well, you can't even come out I'm important or whatever. He's like, just

go wash in the Jordan River. And as Heiser points out, there's nothing about the Jordan River that is particularly special. You know, the guy's in his brain thinking like We've got better rivers in Syria than this, Like why would I. So he goes and baths in it seven times, and then his leprosy is cured, and that brings him into the fold. Now he knows that God is the one

true God. Well, the next thing he does is ask if he can take dirt from that area, and he takes like a camel train or whatever it is of dirt back to Syria. Right. So this for them it was obvious, you know, the importance of this kind of thing. But for modern people, we don't. We don't think of it on that level, you know, And I think that's kind of we need to figure out how to push it out back into the land apologetic without turning off you know, the non Christians.

to move. I don't blame anyone for individually making that choice, but there is something there's something lost with being a nomad in that way, right of never kind of setting your roots down. And perhaps some of my best points on this I'm just shamelessly stealing from my buddy Arnst

van Zeel conscious Carocle. He's an afrofum in South Africa, and he was talking about this question because he's like, constantly people are asking me, why don't you move right, why don't you join an expat community in Melbourne or in America? Like you'll do well, right, we know the boards do well wherever they go. And his whole point is like, well, a boor a farmer only exists here, right, this is where we are, and when we go away,

we don't become that anymore. We become we become great Americans, become great Brits, we become great Australians. And that's a credit to us. Right, we're doing what immigrants are supposed to do. But if you care about your people, there's a death in that, right, you're becoming something else. And he has this great essay talking about building a trench where this is pulling on things that happened during the Boer Wars, where you know the bors were fighting.

to keep running forever. You run so you can find a place, dig a trench and fortify it right and make it yours. And when I look at and I just spent you know, the weekend in DC and DC any number of these other kind of you know, leading cities, they really are that kind of geography of nowhere where it's everybody from anywhere with no real know, kind of cultural ties whatsoever, going to these same stores that they

would go to anywhere else across the globe. You know, it's the same type of people, kind of polished, free of anything unique or special. And that's what I like about America. I like that it's regional, I like that it's specific. I like that I've lost it. Who knows if I ever had it, But I like that. When I talk to old people here, they talk different than old people from you know, two states over. And that

kind of particularity again, once it's gone, it's gone. You know, you you took something that took hundreds of years to develop and you turned it to kind of gray goo and look man like a crappy apartment building, you know, a mining concern whatever those are. Those are interchangeable, right, those are mechanized, those are designed to be produced. And you you look at again, you know, national Parks of the Elm Land, and it's like, well, that's that's not fungible,

that's specific. That is something that is you know, unique. There's not something else like it. And so to take that and to kind of despoil it and turn it into just another part of that kind of like global monoculture. It's just like you're watching if that were to happen, you'd watch something die in the same way. If you know every you know, weird dutchman from South Africa moved to you know, I don't know La, that thing, that special, unique thing would be gone, and I don't know, man

like it at a very deep level it. It bothers me. You know, it feels like the world getting less interested.

like your region, you do become something different. But at the same time, if you destroy the rural areas, it's over right, like like what do you have now? Yeah, man, I don't know it. I don't know how you get this through to somebody, because obviously we're becoming sort of city states all of us, like Idaho, the direction it's trending. Uh, you know, nobody likes to hear this, but all these

people moving in here, they're supposedly conservative or whatever. Well, you build big metros and you're gonna just you, I mean, you will become California. California may not have been as conservative as something whatever that word even means, as right wing ish as a place like Idaho is now in the eighties, but it was a completely fundamentally different place. It was you know, uh there's it was like a

ranching production state with some cities in it. And now look what happened, right, so I understand the fleeing phono start.

A K Street or some shit. He moved there to go work at whatever company he stayed like within his people, right, that's probably not like a fundamental change coming along with that because it's culturally similar. And I don't profess to be like an expert on the dynamics of Appoaysia. I'm just trying to make the point. So someone going from Wyoming to Idaho for work like that, culturally there's almost no change. So it doesn't really like change. It doesn't.

It doesn't impact the state in the same way as someone going from a place like California to somewhere else. And so when you destroy or when you bring a new culture in, even if that person who is really, let's be honest, actually just looking for lower taxes, in almost every case, That's what I was gonna say earlier. You bring that guy in, he may vote Trump or whatever, but he is he is adding to the destruction of

the culture. His offspring will be whatever he is outside of taxes, so that cultural change shift can come in through the kids. So maybe for ten years you look nominally more conservative, but you've broken the culture, right, and once the culture is gone, it goes back to the almost tiresome question that we all ask online all the time, like what are you conserving right? If you're not conserving your people, you're conserving nothing. Well man, And.

with them. Now, the DC thing, that's its own separate thing, right, but you've seen the same thing across the entire southeast, right North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, where for understandable reasons, you know, the leaders are like, oh, we want X y Z factory, we want them to make this, we want them to do this, we want our own kind of tech hub, like you know what's happening in Austin

or what they're trying to do in other places. And it's like, I get that, that makes sense, but what are you what are you trading there? And what you're trading is you're getting more of that monoculture, right, You're getting this sort of people that we're living in San Francesco two years ago. And yeah, you're right, the taxes stink. Taxes are you know, inconstarable, So their business ended up moving.

But it's the same thing as you know, selling the public lands, where it's like you're you're getting an immediate hit, right, you're getting that increase to revenue, but you're eating away at the actual place itself. And I think that like because of that kind of fiscal conservative sensibility. Like it it's like rat poison, right. It tastes great. It's exactly what they want to eat. And for that like immediate rush, it's probably great until it starts to eat you out from the inside.

me this. You know, I don't want to pick something huge like Santa Ana or something, but you know where this where Jack Black killed whatever? Wasn't that his name Jack Hayes. That's what I was thinking. He killed whichever Indian over in this area, and you know the story and it's all important to you or whatever, and it makes Texas Rangers very cool and so forth, and all that is true, but you can't go there because it's under a strip mall or a data center or whatever.

So for how much this is, you're paving over your own history. And then you're wondering why the kids like don't care about it. You know, there's another thing in Texas I noticed last time I was down there. And again, I'm not trying to pick on him. I'm really like trying to get my people to understand what happens. Right. I was at a barber you joint, and I was watching the people, like all these dorks wearing like gas

station cowboy hats and stuff. They're not they're obviously not real Texans, but they're doing this like I'm a Texan larp thing. And so they've got a gas station Jason al denstraw hat or some shit, right, And it's easy to look at that and be like, oh, these guys are gay, and they are right, but you should lament that because so many of them are able to do this and walk around and knocket like they're asses kicked

or made fun of or whatever. Because they're able to be this gay, it is proof that the actual Texans who that symbol meant something to are gone, you know, or there's like not enough of them. So it's easy to be glib about it and be like, oh, those guys are fags, but there's something worse happening there. You know. It should make you think. I'm not saying you should like cry about it, but it should make you think about what happened to you.

very very similar accent from very similar areas. And you know, I was thinking back, you know, to the last time we'd spoke, and I kind of hated the fact that she sounded like she's from a place and I could be from anywhere, you know, like I've got the syntax, you know, I still say that, you know, those certain words that you can take the New York Times whatever accent quiz and it'll you know, find out where you are on the map.

a discussion for another day. But I think a big part of it is all the all the things people used to derive identity from, you know, whether that's regional, whether that's religious affiliation, whether that's simply patriotic, have kind of they've been absorbed into that goop, and so it becomes like a costume, right, it becomes that cowboy hat

you can buy from you know, Safeway or whatever. And when we're talking about like, you know, the core identity of what it is to be an American, it's like that same question, albeit phrased differently, is sort of being asked everywhere right where.

is an American is really important? Because if American is just an identity you can pick up at the gas station, like a you know, twenty five dollars straw hat, like

what is it doesn't mean any of it. You know, you could be American one day, you could be something else the next, versus like well, if it's a sort of like an ethnic thing, you know, and look like, okay, I'm a different kind of American than like, you know, our buddy of lee is, he's a different thing than me, and you know we only start start fights with the wops. But like the that's that's a radically different understanding than simply like it's another one of those identifiers that I

can pick up at any time. And well let's play that out right, If that's all what it is to be American is just I've you know, made certain rational like I say, I stand at the front of a room and say, yes, I affirm the Constitution, I passed my Civics test. Well, then of course those people aren't going to have the same feeling towards and reverence for our kind of international treasures, right, the things that one

generation is passed down from one to another. Because they're not theirs, you know, they don't have that same kind of gut level attack that you know, you and I do.

But that's exactly what happens.

out of a place that no one wanted. So to come in from somewhere else and within ten minutes start talking about carving it up into your own little libertarian paradise. Is an expression of that thing you were talking about earlier. Like they don't care, it doesn't mean anything to them.

up something for Sagebrush, dig around because you can. You be surprised how far you can go quickly and really start to make changes on this front. There is I guarantee you there is some sort of you know organization, whether it's you know, hunters and fishermen of whatever town you live in. And I can almost guarantee you the average age of members is like about sixty five to seventy. And if you come in, you know, don't be a freak about it, right, but you could really make some

headway on that one. They're just another piece of I would say advice there just an additional thought.