Trust Yourself featuring Jennifer Fisher

you ever met her? Now? I haven't, but I follow her Instagram with interest. Yeah, she's very interesting. I've been parallel career your path on many different times, you know, but I hadn't met her up until I guess about a year ago. I guess it was. I don't even remember if it was before the pandemic. That's how you know, crazy this year and a half, two years has been. But she was asking me on um d MS on Instagram. That's how we connected, right, That's how I meet a

lot of people on Instagram. And we started talking and finally, you know, I picked up the phone or she picked up the phone, and we spoke on the phone, and then eventually her and her husband came out to New Jersey and we had dinner with the four of us, talked about business, career, family, and you know, I was really interested. She's a total food nut, health food nut. She's changed her life. I want to hear about what

she's eating. I'm really interested in her business. He was a stylist before she was a jewelry designer, so she's got this crazy crazy olodics and you know, connections, and all they do is wear her jewelry. I love that you will find this not surprising at all since you know me, Bobby. But the way I found Jennifer Fisher was not through her amazing jewelry line, but through her banana bread recipe. But I'm now a fan of her line as well, but I did come to her through

her food stuff. So I think just that, I think it's really fun too that somebody as glamorous and as talented as her also has this whole other side to her that's really robust, and that she really is a true multi hyphenet in that way. Well, I'm looking forward to hopping on with Jennifer to get her recipes and hears things. So I here goes and I hope you guys enjoy this conversation. Hey Jennifer, Hi Bobby, Hi Jennifer. I'm good, Hi Hies, how are you? Thanks for having

me well, Jen, It's so good to meet you. I'm a big avid follower of Jennifer fisher kitchen. You are, Oh yeah. I was telling Bobby that the way I found you was actually through your banana broad recipe, not through your jewelry, which kind of tells you everything you need to know about me is that that's that was my entry point into the world or Jennifer Fisher. I love that, and then I think we have friends in common apart from Bobby, so I've I've heard a lot

about you over the years. It's really nice to meet you. Proferably nice to meet you too. And Jennifer, the whole podcast is not just to talk about how you achieve your success, but how you live your life. More So, tell her briefly a little bit about you, because she really learned about you from your food and didn't even know you were a jewelry designer or a stylist. Bobby, if I told you how many people a day DM me that, they're like, wait, you're that jewel Oh my god,

you're the jewelry designer. Yeah, it's so crazy, It's it's insane. I mean, there's this, there's there's so many stories of so many people. I mean a funny story too, is a Monica Blunder, who's a friend of my name, is a makeup artist. I guess I posted one of her whatever things a while back and she was like, who is this Jennifer Fisher kitchen person? I just sold like fifty I just sold like fifty concealers or something and they're like, who is this person? Who's like, Oh, it's

jewelry designer. So anyway, so you know, there's a lot of people that um somehow. You know, food has been such a huge thing for people coming out of COVID, and I think you know the search for well, first of all, I'm Johnathan Fisher. I'm a jewelry designer. I have been uh making jewelry for about fifteen years and is that in jewelry? And before that I was a wardroom stylist. So, um, you know, the jewelry thing happened

by accident, happy accident. After I had my son Shane, and I was giving people were giving the gifts to represent him, and I didn't feel that they suited my personal style or taste, and so I went out there and I made my own and I wore this dog tag necklace that had his full name on it, and I would wear it on set when I was styling, and I'd be on set at night, you know, with like the grips and the gaffers, and it was this instant conversation piece, and everyone would say what does that say?

What is that? And I just automatically sparked, sparked so many conversations. And the moment I told and what it was, they were asking, Oh, my wife is gonna wank? Can you make ones my wife? Um? You know, can you make a star? Can make a heart? Can you make a different shape? And that's how the jewelry business started. I started selling direct consumer customizable find jewel rate online, um back in the day, and that's how it started.

And here we are. Then you started that you had this clientele of celebrities and Kardashians and all of that, right, didn't didn't you work with all those guys? Now? You know, I worked with a lot of people. You know. It's so funny that Kim Kardashian thing. I that was like, that was like in the beginning of social media and like, you know, her and I did like a barter for something like via text or something. I mean, I still remember doing that with her. That was so long ago.

She's amazing. She was actually amazing to deal with it. Such a smart business woman. I really have a lot of respect for her and what she's become. Um, she's a she's a class act. And her mother is an absolutely incredible woman. UM. A lot of respect for that family. Um. But you know, actually my first cover was actually by

uh by chance. My end was a hairstylist working on set with Uma Thurman, and she had requested a necklace for me, and we made it for and we delivered it the day that she was shooting a Glamor magazine cover and she's like, I'm wearing it on the cover, and so that's sort of you know, it was one of those things where I just think it was just timing, you know, the timing and life is so interesting how everything happens. And it wasn't like it's not a paid thing.

It wasn't you know, it's just interesting how things happen and everything happens for a reason, and you can't plan it. People always want to like, how do I do this? I'm like, there's only one way to do it, which is to do it. Agree and put your shoes on and just do it. And it works. It doesn't work, it shifts exactly. I get those messages from women every day. They're like, I don't know how you do it? How do you get up and do all of it every day?

It's such a daunting task, and it's like, it's really not if you just do it right. Well. I think that's one of the things. It's so impressive about you, and it comes across so clearly on your Instagram, which again is sort of the main vehicle and which I know you UM is following you because you're prolific on Instagram. We all have to talk about that in a minute, because you're so good on it and you're on it all the time, and I don't know how you do it,

but you make it seems so easy and natural. Um where people get such a peek into your day to day in a way that I think is incredible. But then you're still running this company all the time. You're doing all these amazing collaborations and doing all those cooking and like all the salts, Like there's so many layers and dimensions to what you're doing on a day to day basis. That's super impressive. But I do think that the thing that comes across so clearly is that you

just do it. You don't make excuses, you don't overthink it. You're just like, well, we're going to take this path, and we're just going to go and do it. Yeah. I think it's about just not just being direct about things and sort of just like, why are we gonna sit there and talk about it for twenty minutes. Let's just get it done. We could have done twenty other things by the time we're done talking about it, like

or or complaining about it. We're very similar, You're we're very similar, So what we're friends, Jennifer and I are very similar, and I'm learning how to work closely to people that are not like me, and it's it is something definitely to be learned. But I do want to know, since this podcast is called The Important Things, what has changed or shifted for you since the pandemic? I mean so much. You know, when the pandemic hit, you know,

it was terrifying for us for our business. Um, you know, the first few days were like, oh my god, what are we gonna do? And you know, the one thing, it's one of those things that I also feel like, you know, we're so lucky that we had built this infrastructure of internal you know, que seeing and shipping, so we technically ship all of our products and you know, ourselves.

So we're a fulfillment house in New York City. Everything's made in the United States, Q see it in house and then shipped from from our offices in New York. So when everything hit, no one could come to the office. So and suddenly everybody was like we are now on video. Everyone was at this rectangle or square of their faces, and everybody had to have food bearings everybody. It was

like insane like and someone had to ship them. So I literally went in by myself and this is like, you know, I've been so far removed before the pandemic, you know, being the boss in my office, not really dealing with shipping or fulfillment, and suddenly I was the only one that could go in and get these orders out to customers. So I would go in every day in my workout closed with my airpo is in with my Justin Bieber playing. I mean, it was like and I would just go in and I would shift hundreds

of packages by myself. I would say, I felt like I was Will Smith in that that movie I Am I Am Legend where the zombies were outside and it was like terrifying, there's no one outside. And Kevin would drive me to work in the morning and he said, God's weed, and I was, you know, me and the UPS guys and the FedEx guys just trying to make

it work. So, you know, the things that have changed is that you know, you you you can never be grateful enough for the people that work for you and make sure that your product is getting out and getting delivered and you know your business is running. So you know, it's not that I didn't respect my my employees before, but I have a new found level of respect for what they do because I was doing most of their

jobs for a while by myself. I wonder if that experience, I mean, I wouldn't even have thought of the reality of war all in zoom and suddenly accessories really matter and like what, like you know, you suddenly have everyone looking at your earrings, like what a clever thing. I thought of glasses, but I haven't thought about other accoupra

mom around your around your body and your face. Um. And it's it's super interesting because I your personal story of how the line started after the birth of your son, um connecting that back to why people are buying your jewelry and this other moment in their life, like when they're sort of everything's that's the chess board is sort of been thrown up in the air, and now it's something to make you feel good about yourself, to sort of differentiate yourself on a sea full of zooms of

zoom squares um, and that that accessory you can help you maybe feel a little bit prettier in a really difficult time and you know, just feel like you did something for yourself. It's sort of a small luxury. And I'm sure that really connected you back to your line and why you do what you do in a different way.

It did. I think people also, you know, during the pandemic, I think a lot of people because they weren't traveling, they weren't going to restaurants, and they're like, well, I'm gonna buy something really nice for myself because right now I don't know what's going on, So I'm going to represent my family. So even just you know, the shorter chime metasses and everyone to represent their family and what's important to them and what we really started out doing.

You know, those things, we saw a huge uptick in because everybody was suddenly like, well, I've got now. I couldn't buy that before and I'm not doing anything else, so now I can buy that piece of jewelry that's going to retain its value and have it forever and pass it down to my kids. So there's a couple of different things that went on during that, yeah, and reflect the important things. You've always been the spokesperson, but you become the featured model in so much of your

social and half of the time you are pretty naked. Okay, you don't many, you don't have a lot of clothes on. You look freaking amazing because I don't think I could say the word I really want to say, you look freaking amazing. You and I have talked in our first girl friendship was because we connected on Instagram about whatever your crackers you were making, or you know what to

eat and dr will call and all of this. So tell everyone a little bit about your you know, your journey with your health and wellness and these amazing recipes that I think should be your next product line. But go ahead. I know we need I need your help doing that, Bobby, We've got to get on that, or

like I'm gonna have to talk to Bobby. Uh. So, you know, I for so many years, and I think that's part of the reason why the kitchen account resonates so much with so many people is that, you know, I was always I grew up in you know, eighties and nineties and terrible, horrible diet culture, really not taking care of yourself, eating processed foods, counting calories, doing all of the things that you really shouldn't do to be healthy. And I, on top of that, have Hashimoto so I

have an autoimmune disease UM. So I was always struggling with that extra five pounds of swelling, inflammation, just brain fog, fatigue, uh, so many things to go along with it. And I, you know, I recently well, I cut out I cut out gluten years ago, but I never really stuck to it, and I always sort of like went back and forth like everybody does, Like oh, nam have French fries, and pasta and I'm gonna go back tomorrow and then I'm gonna eat a salad for six days. You know that's

just that really terrible sounds like me. Yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't know who does that? What are you talking about? Terrible? Have it? So? You know? I I And this is so when we opened my Beverly Hill store. You know, we built a store in Beverly Hills during COVID and we opened it in February UM of last year. And you know, at that time, we were having a quarantine for ten days in Los Angeles, going back and forth.

So I was. I bought Will Cole's book, and I was because I was always into you know, I never really loved eating meat. Um, so I kind of just wanted to see a new perspective. And someone had told me about well I don't remember who it was, and I read the book and that it's almost like this crazy switch one off inside of my head and like why am I messing with my body like this? This is so damaging to me. I'm fifty, I turned fifty last may, you know, and I I'm just for me

to go into like perimenopause and menopause. I wanted to go into all of those feelings as good as I can and as healthy as I can. And I changed the way that I stopped eating grains. I stopped eating any gums, um, you know, any sugars, and it's it's kind of crazy what happened. I mean, I lost about fifteen pounds of inflammation. What are gums? So there's like

war gums x anthem gum. If you go and read your labels in your refrigerator, you will be floored everything that you eat and drink like it's in It's in almond milk. It's in everything, Yes it is, but you could buy almond milk without it. So a lot of people are not schooled in that they're buying the ones that are that are that the big commercial ones that everybody's buying. It's it's healthy, organic, you know, blah blah blah, and it's all you know. It's it's lying to you.

So gums are bad. Gums are bad? Gums are I think gums are probably one of the main things that really changed my body in terms of information, because I didn't realize my hot sauce head gum in it. Everything has gums. Oh my god, I have not been on the gums. My almond flower tortillas, I thought that we're grain free were perfect has gums in it, and the gums are like shelf stabilizers or something like that, right, and that's why they put it in. It's shelf stable issers. Yeah,

it's nothing we should be eating, you know. And even your your like broths have cane sugar in it, so you know, it's all those simple things that you can do that if you're paying attention to the grocery store, just take an extra second flip over whatever you're about to buy and read what's on the in the ingredients and if it has any of it, if it has to, if you can't pronounce it, you shouldn't be putting your body. Yeah, the hidden sugars is intense. It's in everything. I was

looking for almond milk. I was upstate and I was choosing an almond milk that I thought I had used before, and it seems you know, it was like fresh almond milk whatever, and it the back was like cane sugar was a second ingredient. I was like, why was like water cane sugar almonds? Like the other one. Yeah, it just takes that extra second to look. But it's so easy to get tricked by the labels because the picture was just like pretty almonds, and so I thought, exactly,

You're like, it's clear getting yeah, no dairy. No dairy is another big thing too. So you know all those things that changed my skin, it changed my body, it changed everything. That's so cool. And you also did this amazing collaboration with um CB two CB two CB two. They're still selling it correct, Yeah, you know they they're going to continue to sell a lot of it still too, because I you know, it's done pretty well. I have your martini glasses, which are inspired such good. I am

wearing one of your necklaces. Like, I'm not that clueless. I do understand that you are the same person now, the jewelry designer and the food person, like I did put it all together eventually. But the martini glasses Bobby have,

when you get these for you, they're amazing. Yeah they don't spill, but they came from because I used to always go to Mr we I used to drink a ton of Lesia Martinis and Mr Chiles And you know, when you get your martini it's always to the top, and then you go to take a sick it goes down your arm YEP. I always have to like I lean my head forward to sip it. It's so embarrassing. I look like I'm a child, like sipping out of my like my mother's cup or something. But how else

are you supposed to do it. I'm not that I don't have stable hands like us, but yeah, your glasses have made a huge difference. I do mind on the rocks because then I keep adding more ice because then I drink less vodka. But I have a healthy version. I've started um juicing my cucumbers and cucumbers and vodka, so it is a diuretic. It's so good and you feel and you're hydrated the next day. So no, that's my news thing. My god, I love you so much.

That's amazing. Yeah, it's spa night, you know. It's okay, it's spa night. I need my cucumber juice to go with my vodka. Okay, that's gonna be the TWEETA bowl of this episode is Bobbies tip for healthy living is

the diuretic combination of cucumber and vodka. Vodka and cucumber well, first of all, I'm fifteen years older than you, Jennifer, and I have I have really learned that being in the moment, being with the people I love sometimes requires me to go outside of my comfort level when it comes to food, Like I do the best I can, but I do kind of you know, you would think I was totally off. You know, the walls. We were

in Paris at the same time. I ate cheese, I ate bread, I ate French fries, I ate cheese, I bread, French fry, and martiniz I didn't. You didn't. I did. No, you have to find like the luxury of like a seafood tower, like that's so beautiful, and to eat all of that fresh seafood instead of the instead of the French fries and the bread and the butter and the cheese, I mean I could. I actually, honestly, it was weird,

like I didn't even want it. And we were doing like a major foodie version I Want with two of my new girlfriends and a major foodie version of Paris. So we hit all the spots and I didn't do it, and you were just fine, like you didn't care, because I don't. I am very not that person who cannot eat the cheese and the gin Martiniz and all them me neither. You know what, I've been there so much for work, Like I was like, you know what, I've done this, Like I'm gonna do this my way now,

my new way. I just brought a bunch of stuff and it was totally fun. And you do all the baking, all the cooking. You don't have a chefon. That's that's one thing that kills me to They're like, where's the secret housekeeper that's doing all your dishes. I'm like, it's called meat. Like I work gloves. I'm like I can tell you guys how to clean the pots and pans because I do it all. I'm like, you know, baking soda and lemon, Like I'm always giving people tips. Like

it's just me and my kitchen. Like I always say,

I don't go to therapy. I cook. It's like I think, and I think it's resonates with the people that I really just I love doing it because like I can't wait to get home at the end of my day because the only time I really get to see my kids is at the end of the day when they're done with their steps because I've got you know, one of my sons a junior, my daughter is a freshman, and you know, they're both on totally different schedules, and so it's really not like seven to nine o'clock time

that I get to see my kids. So if I'm in the kitchen cooking where they're eating dinner, I'm around my kids when your family dinner is getting really really hard to do, Yeah, because what do they eat? What do you cook for them? They regular for my kids eat gluten, My kids eat dairy, My kids eat so I have all that stuff in my refrigerator. So are you making everything? You're making like separate meals for Kevin, for Keto Kevin, separate meals for you and for your kids.

I can't even how how do you find the hours to do this? That's amazing. It's not I you prep run protein per night, So I prep a protein. My kids don't love fish the way that I do. They'll eat the shrimp when I make the shrimp. But if I'm making like a salmon or something, I don't love it, so I'll do like a steak or a chicken with But it's really I do one protein per night. I always make sure that I have rice or pasta made for them. It's already ready to go. And it's really

like a lot of just reheating stuff. It's like it's not you know, I'll like this morning, I made a big batch of baking because I knew it was Monday, and Shane wants a bacon, egg and cheese every day of the week, and so I'm not having to do all this stuff. So I think it's just a matter of kind of being organized and thoughtful about how you a stock your refrigerator with stuff so you have everything that you need, and then being just sort of doing things in advance. Yeah, that seems to be the key.

I think that's what's Uh. Yeah, that's my takeaway from this conversation so far as that I'm not organized, it's really what it got out. I'm much for a haphazard I have a question. Do you ever have a need to recharge? Do you get tired? I'm tired today. I had a really bad night sleep last night. Yeah, But for me recharging is different, Like for me, recharging is sort of like I just need like time nuts, you know,

I do do TM me too, which I have. I love TM loved, but I haven't really been doing it lately, to be completely honest, Um, but it's for me. It's more of like you, Okay, I just have to sit there and focus and re shift because there's so many different things that I have to focus on every day. It's like I'm the creative director of the brand. I do all the designing myself. I do the creative direction for all the all everything that we do. You know, I've got my food, my kids, my family, my son.

We're starting to look at colleges. So it's just sort of like, you know, whatever is going on with our business intern whatever I've got to you know, approve bad copy, but like whatever needs to get done, I just need to like take a second and reorganize myself sort of. Okay, here we go again. I do a lot of breathing too, and that's helpful. Also, you haven't taken a breath this whole conversation. When does the breathing topic. I'm so inspired by your energy. I'm gonna clean up my diet. I'm

throwing everything out, like, let's start all over again. Wit So when I don't believe you'll help you, We're going to go out for cheese the first opportunity, you know. Oh my god. So in your entire life, what do you say are the important things, like from the time you were born, Like what are those things? Uh? Well, health is the most important thing, because if you don't have that, we don't have anything. So I've really have come to appreciate that with all the things that I've

gone through through life. But also I think, um, you know, work ethic is really really important, and I think people you know, knowing that you're going to do the right thing in business too, and do the right thing by people. Um. You know that my father taught me that at a very young age. My father was an entrepreneur. And you know, always with every business that I had or did, there's a lot of them. Um, you know. I had started my first fluttoneering business when they are in Vegas one

weekend with my babysitter called JJ Flettneers. But I was like a serial entrepreneur, Like I was like I was a kid. They would like go pick your flowers out of your yard and make a bouquet and knock on the door and but like to buy some flowers. Oh my god, that's my kid. I'm gonna send my kid over to you. She hasn't learned to cook. And yeah, you know, I think like integrity, you know, all those

things are really really important. Um, you know, also learning to you know, I was reading through what we're going to talk about in this and I was thinking about, you know, the things that are really really important, and it's it's so important to to learn how to listen to yourself and your gut feelings and what you think is right over what other people are chirping in your ear and telling you what they should do. Because no one what you should do, because no one's been through

what you've been through. No one's doing what you're doing, you know, so you need to listen to yourself and what you think is right for you and your business and your life. Well, then, who has been the greatest impact in your life? Well, there's a few people. I mean my parents, I mean, I have to say I had amazing I have a very amazing parents. My mom taught me how to be self assured and confident. My father taught me business um and how to hustle UM

at a very early age. And so those things really make me who I am. And so you know, as Kevin and I Kevin is also a very important person in my life to my husband. I. You know, as we parent our kids too and as they get older. Um, those are sort of the things that I kind of think about, you know, as they watch us and how we behave and the things that we do to try

not to mess them up. You know, what can we do that to instill part of what we think is important in them so as they grow they are good humans? You know, So we're doing our best. And what do you struggle with on on day to day? You seem like everything is like I get up, I do this, I do this, I have businesses. Like what do you personally struggle with on a day to day? I struggle

with managing the stress of it all. You know, this morning, I woke up pretty stressed because we have a lot happening, and it's sort of I guess it's the it's the not knowing sometimes as the hardest um for me. Um, you know, I'm the type of person like I wanted to give me a direction, I'll go, you know, so sometimes that that gray area for me is the hardest of like I'm not sure what we should be doing. I don't know if we should do this or this.

Those things are hard for me. I mean I said, I'm like, Okay, we're gonna do this and we're gonna go. So that gray area before I make a decision is stressful.

Um as a business founder, uh and as a boss that makes sense though, because you've got the team waiting for a direction, right, Like you seem like a very clear entrepreneur and when you uh what the theme is definitely like when you are clear, you have no problem just like false the wall, Like You're go in full force and everybody will follow, So they might all be kind of waiting for you to say this is what

we're doing. That's the thing though, and that's where I'm not good, and that's a fault of mind, and that's something that I need to improve on, is my communication skills that way, because for me, I'm like, oh, what they're they're not reading my mind. You don't know what I'm gonna do. You know what do you mean you're not reading my mind? That you know exactly what I wanted to be doing? And why are you ask me

this question? Don't you know? They answer that question? So that that part of me needs definitely I need to work on and I'm trying to get better. Kevin is helping me communicate better well. But the title of my unwritten business book is called duh, Right, yeah, of course duh. I mean, you know, I have a couple more wellness questions. So, um, just because I'm obsessed with how in it you are.

What do you think is the number one thing that you picked up during the pandemic that you are a habit that you're doing that you didn't do before, or is there anything that you've changed since your home more? Well, I started cooking more. I started doing more. But you know it's so funny is during it. So this is

what's so interesting. And so during the pandemic, when I started cooking on Instagram, it was before I was a ketoterian, so it's full it was it was gluten free products, it was dairy and I get a lot of people to complain to me now to this day saying like, we miss your cheese recipes and I just sub it with regular cheese. Then like, just do you know sub it back to what it was? You know, I think learning to cook. I mean I started to really put

myself out there a little bit more with food. But I think I learned that, you know, you don't have to. I was making things a little more complicated in terms of recipes before the pandemic, and then when you're in it, you're like a shorter to cook for your family because you're all stock at home. When you're having to make three miles a day, and it's like, oh my god,

what kind of just throw together that's quickly. So I think the ability to sort of do things faster and easier with less ingredients is something that I kind of picked up. Um, but now and now that I'm I'm this way with my diet, um, it's so, I mean, I try. I think it's like most of my recipes have like five or six things and not counting the seasonings.

But to go into it, I think if more people ate that way, because a lot of people are like, why don't you concern about your salt because you make salting too much salt in your food, I'm like, well, if you're not eating things that come out of a package, stop opening your freezer to make your meals, you know, and stop opening a package or a can or a box to make your food. Start using starting with whole food. So start with a fresh protein. Yeah, and salt is

good for you, Like you need salt. You can't not have salt, But you gotta salt your food, right, only if the salt tastes good and your salt taste delicious. Yeah, delicious. I'm on my second set. So I have a question that's going to end up being our final question to everyone. So um, it's it's called on my paper closing thought, which I love that. So one final thought, if you could leave with us, if you could tell someone that's listening one thing that could change the course of their

life for the better. According to Jennifer Fisher, what would it be listen to yourself, not others. That's amazing. It's so simple. It's so simple. And if I had done that earlier, I mean in my jewelry design career, in my styling career, if I had not listened to other opinions of what people thought I should be doing and listen to that that the directions I was like, I always like think like, oh my god, where would I be now if I actually listened to myself and didn't

make that mistake. You're unstoppable as it is, so I can't imagine if you had just listened to your own intuition the entire way through, and you have so many years, so many decades ahead of you to become this, you know, like major person in the food industry, and and you know you're gonna be like the next Mrs Fields. I don't know, you're gonna be something more than you want jewelry.

What I want, I hope, so thank you. What I want is to help people not waste time the way that I did for so many years doing things wrong. You know, I I just I ate incorrectly for so many years. And it would have been such a simple shift if I didn't mess around with so many other things for so long, if I just simplified things, because this is really all it is. It's just cutting stuff out and simplifying things. I am so inspired. I cannot wait to go back on your website and start doing things.

And you know, maybe I can get my daughter in Latta to make some of those recipes. But thank you so much for talking to us, Thanks for being our first guest, Thanks for having me and Jennifer. If I see you on the streets of New York because we live near each other, we don't mind me if I have cost you for some banana bread, Oh my god, anytime