Investing In Your Mental Wealth featuring Charlamagne tha God

talking to Charlemagne that God today. Well you're excited, I'm I'm kind of nervous and I've met him and he was so nice. But I don't know why. I'm not usually nervous, but I just know he's so opinionated and so strong, and I just, you know, want I want

to make sure that we're not boring him. I'm nervous about interviewing him a bit too, though, because he's an amazing interviewer obviously, like he does what we're doing basically all day long, and so I don't even know how going to get a question straight because I feel like he's probably been asked to everything a million times over. But I'm still so excited to hear from him and hear what he's got to say about the important things. So here we go. I can't wait to dive in

and see what he has to say. Hey, Charlemagne, how are you Bobby here? How are you Bobby? What's happening? Um? You know, a lot too much to go over on this podcast. We'll have to follow up on our dinner and have a nice cocktail and then I'll tell you everything.

I'm let me, let me. Yeah. So if you remember, we met at our friend Elvis Durand's wedding a couple of years ago, and you know, it was really fun meeting you, and I am now on my heart and I wanted to, you know, to see if I could get you on this podcast, and thank you to your bosses. They somehow talked you into it, so thank you. We had to, Paul. I'm happy to be and meet on Julie who is my co host, and just you'll get to know us because I don't do any research and

just come up with whatever comes into my head. And she spends days and days and every article that she could kind of tell me everything that's going on. So that's us. Hi, it's so nice to meet you, Charlemagne. I'm such a fan, and I've been doing a deep dive into your work the past few days, so I can nerd out on anything with you right now. But it's so good to meet you. Thank you so much for making the time. I'm happy to be Yeah. Well, you're very busy man, so we appreciate it. Thank you

for having Yeah. Well, the first thing is, since probably a lot of my audience might not be as familiar with you as the rest of the world is, and I could spend an hour going through your history and I've listened. I have listened to the Bob Pittman podcast, which is one of my favorites. But couldn't you tell everyone a little bit about you? And I'm just so

curious what you're going to say. Um, that's a broad question. Uh. I am a father, I am a husband, Um, I am a great friend, and I am multi media personality. So that's radio, television, podcast, you know, books, and whatever other platform voices can be heard. You know nowadays not so much social media only because a lot of all of the content that you know, I do, whether it's radio, whether it's television, whether it's podcast, it ends up on social media anyway. So I don't feel the need to,

you know, be a social media personality as well. Like a lot of people, how could you possibly find the time? You have four daughters? Is that correct? Well, beautiful princesses, that's right, well, beautiful princess and ranging from ages two months I think three months to thirteen is all right? Yeah, thirteen and now the oldest thirteen, six three and six months. That's amazing. Wow, with your beautiful wife, with my beautiful wife.

And it's it's so interesting being a father because it's just like every day you get questions that you don't even bother to see what the answers are, Like, I have no idea why now right now in our house we don't talk about Bruno. I have no idea you'd never talked about Bruno. Made the mistake of finally asking earlier this after, like why don't we talk about Bruno? And it was like no, like no, no, no, we don't talk about Bruno. I'm like, okay, Bobby, that's a

that's an en content reference, Bobby. I don't know if you know about in content because you don't have little ones at home, so I don't I have three sons, Charlemagne, who you know two are married, one is on his way up, and U a couple of daughter in laws and soon a granddaughter. So I'm looking forward to the girls. Yeah, I'm pretty sucked. But you know, this podcast is not about all your amazing you know work you do and all the givebacks and you know, your opinions and just

the powerfulness of everything. It's really called the important things because I would love to hear like how things have changed in the past couple of years. Especially, Oh man, that's a great question. Um. You know for me, that's why when you ask me who am I at this point in my life, that's what I really see myself as a father, a husband, a great friend. Everything else

comes after that. And you know, um, I started, I started going on this journey of like healing, of self exploration probably like five was six years ago, and that included, but wasn't limited to, you know, therapy, you know, meditation, um, a lot, a lot a lot more just you know, seeking what what what my what my true purpose here is? Even though I always felt like it was service to others, but it was kind of like, you know, what did

that mean? And I just knew it started with me, you know, and Michael Jackson said, you know, I'm looking at the man in the mirror. I'm asking him to change his ways. You know, no message could be any clear. If you want to make the word a better place, you got look in the mirror and make a change.

So I started with me, and so by the time the pandemic came around, I honestly truly don't know what I would have done with myself if I hadn't started that self exploration, you know, a few years prior, because I think, you know, when the pandemic happened, a lot of us were forced to be still and we didn't like what we saw. You know, we didn't like what we were telling ourselves. You know, we were a lot of us were forced to deal with ourselves, you know,

for the first time. But for me, man, it just made me realize even more so, what's what's more important. So that's when that circle that you have trimmed down right for your own mental well being, that's when, during the pandemic, that strucle turned to a dot like like

it was just like a straight up dot. And it was almost like the people I saw that year, literally, the people I saw that year, I'm talking about the the few people I saw that year literally are the people that I know I want to be around, you know, for the for for the rest of my life. And it's been very difficult, you know, even readjusting back to the world because I don't really want to go nowhere.

I like being with my daughters. I like being with my wife, I like, you know, doing things amongst each other,

like I don't. I don't really care about anything else at this point when you ask me what's important, Yes, definitely family, definitely, you know, great friends, and you know, definitely just constantly, you know, getting connected to that that that God and and for me, when the pandemic hit and I literally could take everything on my entire calendar and just delete it, it was one of the most

freeing things I've ever been through. And I'm I'm kind of going through, probably in a smaller way what you are. They're all coming back and I feel like I got this baseball bat. Do you want to speak at this thing? Do you want to do this? Like? You can't do it all? Right? So how are you How are you making your decisions right now? Because you've seemed to be taking on more and more well, I think business wise, I'm doing things that I that I genuinely want to do.

I'm not doing things because you know, there's money involved. I'm doing like like I have a podcast network because I'm really into you know, assisting people and getting their voices out. You know, I have a company with Audible, you know, myself and Kevin hardcoll S pH. It is the same thing. It's where we're allowing black creators to get their voices and get their get their stories out.

And so it's like, yeah, everything I do is things that I want to do far as work is concerned, which makes it not feel like work, you know, it's the extracurricular things like you know, I'm going to Norfolk State this week, Um to go talk to a school?

Is it a lot to get on a plane and fly to Virginia knowing I'd rather be taking my daughter to cheerleading or actually it's on Thursday, so she doesn't have cheer leading practice, so which is one of the reasons that makes me be like Okay, cool, I can you know, get away for a second. But would I rather be picking her up from school? Yeah? Would I rather be sitting around the house on a Thursday afternoon?

Thursday night with my family. Yes, but I'm gonna go to Norfolk State and give it myself just enough, talk to these students and come back. So to your point, Bobby, yeah, it's just easy to say no. I'm a noe person. I never would say no before because I also had this like imposter syndrome. So I felt like, you know, if I didn't keep my hand and everything or cheap my face, you know, seen everywhere, then it would be like all of this would get taken away from me.

And it's just like, no, what's for me is for me. So you've got two books right now, right, and best selling books of course. Yeah, you've got your radio show. You've got your podcast network m You've got a late night comedy show, Yeah, late night show on Comedy Central called The Guys on his True He's got an imprint. I think I got a book in print with Simon

and Shuston. So we put out a couple of We put out my friend Tamika Mallory and she put out her book State of Emergency, How to Win in the Country we built last year and I need a Copax. She put out a book called Shallow Waters, A love Letter to Miya last year as well, and uh, where do we buy those hats? You have? You sell your merch Oh, this is actually a friends. This is my

man l Doom. He has the line called my God Versus My Enemies, and you know all his merchants said stuff like covered by God, or it says my God versus my Enemies, and I I love it just because I love those those affirmations because that's how I feel like. I feel like I'm divinely protected and I've always felt like that. I feel like that since I was a little a little kid. You know, my mom grew up with Jehovah Witt and she's still a jehova with this now.

My grandmother was a Baptist, so it's like faith. You know, religion was always something that was a part of our our household. I'm more spiritual now than I am religious. But I just recognized that there's something else out there that's greater than me. And you know, I've I've felt

that's something that higher presence on numerous occasions. And you've talked about your tough I won't say childhood, but you're tough middle school, like when you were getting in trouble from having such strict parents that must have been quite intense for them. Well, it was interesting because you know, I've always said I'm the perfect balance of ratchetness and righteousness, and when I look at my parental dynamic, that's the

same thing. Like my mother was the righteous one, my dad was direction you know, but my dad was just a man trying to do his best. Um. You know, when I first started going to therapy, you know, I was going for my anxiety, am about to depression. But then I realized like I had some like really serious father issues, right because um, it's it felt like my father would discipline me for for for not knowing things he didn't teach me, you know. And there's no such

thing as just becoming a man. There's no such thing as just becoming a woman like those who came before us have to and still certain things in us. So you can't get mad at me, you know, because I just got my license at sixteen and I ran to stop sign if I'm following you literally and you ran to stop sign I'm just doing what Dad he did, you know that got me smacked in the face when I was younger, Right, But it's just like I'm following you.

So I just realized I had so much you know, resentment built up because I didn't really get like the love I think that a young man probably needs from his his his dad, like you know, back then, I co forty three. So I grew up in the time where it was like, you didn't hug the boys. You know,

you didn't kiss the boys. You send the boys out to work, and you know, you make them go cut the grass and you punch them in their chest if they crying like and you don't you tell them don't cry like things like that, and you don't even realize you're doing that, and you're raising a generation of sociopath you're teaching young men, you know, how not to feel. So you know, in therapy, I had a lot of

resentment towards him. But then you know, with me talking about my issue with you know, mental health, he started opening up to me and it was like the holidays. It was it was Thanksgiving around two thousand and eighteen, and he told me that you know, he had been in therapy, you know, two and three times a week for years, and you know he was on tend to twelve DIF medications for his mental health. He tried to kill himself thirty years ago, and all of that was

an eye opener for me. But you didn't know any of That's how you came forward with your own journey, none of that zero. I remember telling my mom, asked my mom, like, you know, Dad was dealing with all of that, and she was like, I thought he was just playing crazy to get a check, you know, but he really was dealing with his own issues. And that gave me a lot of grace with him, and it just let me realize, like you know, he was just the man out here trying to do his best, human

trying to do his best, like we all. How did you come to therapy? Then? How did you decide to start doing accenter? You wrote the book about your struggle with anxiety, um, but was sort of the the pushing point, I suppose for the final point that you were like, this is something I really need to do for myself. If you didn't have that example in her family or around you always knew that it was something I had to do, only because you know, the the anxiety and

the depression never got better. Like I first I diagnosed with anxiety in two thousands in and it was after a life of panic attacks and you know, feeling like I'm having a heart attacks and having to go to the hospital to check in the emergency room. And then this one moment I had a panic attack. I had just gotten fired for the fourth time from radio. I moved back from New Jersey, was living back home with my mom in South Carolina. My now wife was back

home living with her parents. Our daughter was like one or two years old, and like, I really had one of those panic attacks where I thought I was gonna die, and like the hospital, the doctor just told me, like, your your heart is fine, and then you know, I'm describing what I experienced and he said it's not I mean like you had an anxiety attack. He said, you stuffed from anxiety. And I was like, not that I know of, and he was like, I just happened to

you before. And I'm like, yeah several times in my life. And I was like, are you stretched out about anything? And I'm like, hell yeah, everything in my in my mind, I'm like, as long as I get another gig, I'll be fine. And next gig I got was the Breakfast Club and then you know, he started that in late two thousands ten and I've experienced more success than I've ever had in my life. I'm making more money and

I've ever had in my life. And I'm not happy, Like I'm still dealing with anxiety, still dealing with the depression. I'm feeding my ego and getting caught up in being the radio star and I'm out here. You know, I got married to my wife in and I loved I loved her, and I'm glad that I did. But I wasn't doing right by her. You know, I was out in the streets with a bunch of different women. You know, I wasn't doing right. I just and and and in

my mind, I was becoming my father. I was making the same mistakes I saw my father make with my mom. And I it was that was really causing my anxiety to go through the rou because you know, I spent my whole life trying not to be like him, you know, only to realize I'm becoming, you know, just like him.

And so thank god, I just knew a lot of people who were in there, Like it was a lot of people around me, especially you know, the women around me, and like, like, guy, I have guy friends who were a couple of like two two main guy friends who are in therapy, who I used to hear him talk about therapy a lot, and I was just ask him questions and no, two thousand and sixteen, I just finally decided to go. It was actually after I had finished

my first book. My first book came out in ten, but when I finished my first book sometime in early you know, I had a lot of questions about myself, you know, And that's what I think sometimes writing the book will do, Like you have a lot of questions about yourself because you can explain your story and tell your story. But now that you're older and you're looking back, you're like, well, why did I react that way to this and why did I move like that in this situation?

And so I started going to therapy around you know, seen just because I needed it and because I had people around me who were We're just talking about it. You're so incredibly brave, you know, I mean honestly to put everything out there, and I know you do it because you know it helps people. So I'm just curious, like, what are some of the things you do? Is it a medication? Is it meditation? Is it you know, positive affirmations?

Like what is it that makes the biggest difference. Well, first it was just therapy, and to be honest with your therapy, therapy drove me. I don't like to use the word crazy with therapy. Therapy left me more confused, you know than anything. They just yeah, in the beginning, when I first started therapy, it just was like was peeling back all these layers. But I started having more questions and answers. You can stir a lot of stuff

up when you start. Sure, oh man did it? And then um, you know, later I started adding other practices. I have to think. I have to thank my good friend Debbie Brown. You know, Debbie Brown is a she's really big in the mindfulness space. She works for you know, Chobra, works with Chobra. And she just kept telling me. She was like, you know, therapy is good. I'm glad that this is After a couple of years, they like, I'm

glad you you know, been in therapy. But you know, now you really got to start, you know, doing some things to actually heal, some practices that actually heal. And then that's when you know, the meditation started coming into place. Do you meditate every day? I tried to, you know, especially in the morning, right before work. Um, that's when things like you know, you know, building your altar int the house and you know, saging yourself from smudging yourself.

That's when that's when all of that stuff started, you know, to come into play. That's when you know, different plant based medications started come started and coming into play. I never took anything prescribed by the doctor. You know. I do things like CBD. You know, I've even tried psychedelics like shrooms and the therapeutics therapy say micro doc Yeah, that microdocing always seems so interesting, but it's not legal

in New Jersey. So you know, I know people in California that swear by it and you could get it prescribed. You know, I'm someone that doesn't do well with a mind altering substances. I do my best with vodka truthfully, to kind of called me down. I mean, you know that's what works for me. You know, everyone is different. Chemistry. Yeah, but there's a lot of research coming out with m

D m A and Paul Simon. There's a lot of trials, and I think it's pretty near getting through clinical trials to mainstream some of the stuff for therapeutic use and especially for trauma for like deep trauma work. I don't know how I feel about it yet I've done it. It's not like I did not enjoy it, you know, it was cool. I just it's a part of me that just does not want to have to go to

any any drug plant based otherwise. You know, when I'm when I'm in that space, you know, I rather you know, figure out a way to get there on my own. Like I like ground, especially when it's warm out, you know, take your shoes off and just go walk walk through

your yard. You know. I have a sacred purpose coach, you know, named YadA y'allbo, and you know, we laugh and joke and we have this one called face down gass up, and it's like you take your shirt off and you lay belly down on the grass, you know, when the sun is out, and just lay there and put your face against the grass field Earth's heartbeat like

stuff like that. I'm I'm really a tree hugger, Like I will go outside and literally hug the tree, you know, kiss the tree, sit up under the tree and put my put the back of my head against the tree and just breathe do my breathing. Ex societies that's that's me. What is that practice too for you? Is that like a little physical grounding. It was in the grounding I remember during COVID. You know, during COVID is when I, like I started, I started messing with weed more. I never,

I never. It was really a guy, you know, when I was young, young, I was in but I used to make my anxiety go through the roof, right, And so I got a friend in Baltimore and he would, you know, bring me up. You know these medicinal you know, marijuana. Someone's the plant, someone's the edible. And you know, I remember smoking for the first time in a long time, and I had an anxiety attack that had me swearing to God I would never smoke weed ever again. And

that's why I can't do any kind of th HC. My. You know, I have anxiety too, you know, not I deal with it um, but I can't do any anything with th HC. It just makes my mind totally anxious mine too, and that and that's I'm saying all that to say. That was in like November October November, it was cold and I went outside in New Jersey barefoot with a hoodie on, just to ground myself treat because I was like out of there. My mind was gone, and I'm like, nah, the t was not for me.

Now I can't do I can do an edible if it's a THC CBD mix and if it's the right milligrams, that takes a nice edge off. That takes the edge off. Yeah, you're kind of you're you're kind of like a hippie. Have you ever, Like you know, you're not old enough to to actually have lived with hippies, So you know, I'm about fifteen years older than you. It's like, yeah, you're you know, you're out there feeling it. Yeah, And there's a part of I want to. I want to

experience burning. Man. I want to go away and do ayawaston like I do. I want to. I want to experience all of that. Like you know, people tell me that they did ayahwasta and they saw God. No, I don't want to do that. That scares me. I have friends that have done that. Yeah, Charlottagne, we need to talk offline because my mother listens to this podcast. We'll have a call to you from your trauma. Old So

I wrote a book about this stuff. I have just done this to you it's called stocking God, I didn't know you back then. Thank you my unorthodox search for something to believe in. And I basically when it did all these different spiritual things to try to figure out the questions that I couldn't answer for my now twelve year old daughter. So I totally am feeling what you were, Like what you're talking about about the questions that these kids ask, and like how where do you even start?

You're supposed to know everything, and how do you model for them? You know, those things like that they how to live a good life and have impact and all those other things. And I had no idea where to start. I still don't know, but that was the book, but

I found I agree with you. The meditation is ultimately what I kind of ended the book on was because I went to a silent meditation retreat and I stopped there because, like I think, I just need to sit with myself and stop looking to everything else to try to find these answers. And so that was the last chapter. Meditation is definitely my favorite one, and the reason meditation my favorite one because I always come up with answers. Yeah, and I have a question. So when I'm anxious I

I just start moving my body. So I just want to know, like from a lifestyle, like what works for you. Do you have a certain diet, you follow things, you you know, exercise routine, especially someone that's doing as much as you, how do you maintain your energy? Yeah? I just I literally just finished working out, like like me and my wife. My wife is a personal trainer. Um, but you know, we we were saying at the top of the year we were gonna get in the best

shape of our life. So, um, you know, we got a routine Monday, Wednesday, Friday where high intensity training one hour a day and like we go at it really really hard. And then you know, other than that, I got you know, therapy throughout the week, and I really do make time for myself. You know. The diet, You're right, you know, right now I'm doing a diet who I'm trying to bulke up and then we're gonna cut down in like the next couple of weeks. So I'm a

little bit heavier than I usually am. But the diet is healthy. It's egg whites in the morning, it's you know, oatmeal in the morning, and it's you know, apple slices and peanut water for a snack throughout the days, you know, carbs and how protein you know, throughout the day for dinner and for lunch. So yes, it's all of that. Like I'm very aware of what makes my energy go up and what makes my energy, you know, go down, Pete. Not just not just things I put in my body,

but people in places as well. All those things are inputs for sure, all of them. So it's just like you know, like throughout the day, I drink water, I might do a little green tea. I just started adding this um. It's like this healthy like juice substance that's like you know, full of electro lights and collagen antioxidants, is called um car Beva car va. Yeah, and it's like these it's dope because it's like some of them

are like seventy natural juice. So it's literally like if you like the juice and you know, you don't want to drink the power Aids and the Gatorades and all of that stuff like that after workout, just like this stuff really really replenishes you. So that's something that I've added to it, and it gives me energy even in wanted Like I'm not a coffee person. I'm either green Tea or a car car viva in the morning, car Viva. Okay.

I hope someone's listening, so I could like google it and I'm I'm a health coach also so I get really into all that stuff. I might be pronouncing it wrong. It's it's k A r v I v A, but it's a it's a very healthy sports dream. Okay. Cool. I hope you're getting sponsorship from that. No, you know what, I shot at them out before and they sent me a case, So okay, so we'll shout him out again. Maybe we'll all get cases, all right. Cool. It's funny. It's funny the way this thing works. Yeah. Yeah, So

what about what about dinner? Who makes dinner at home? You or your wife? Oh? The wife, Like she's up there cooking because you know, all are we're doing the whole measured meals things. So measured amount of rice, measured amount of beef, measured amount of grilled chicken, measured amount of tweet potatoes, asparagus, like like it's all measured right now, Like we're really really focusing on health. And it's like it's so strange because I've always you know, the last

few years have been all about you know, mental health. Um, but now I'm looking at it like it's just all health, you know. Yeah, it's so deeply tired, it is. It's a It is so tired. You can't have one without the other. You cannot and and and people don't realize food is medicine. What you put in your body totally affects not just the way you look, but how you feel and your mental state as well. So, um, yeah, I'm I'm looking forward to book three, which is going

to be your lifestyle book. Good idea, you know what I don't. It's so interesting. I've been writing, like you know, I'm always constantly right. And man, I you say lifestyle and that's how interesting you say that, because yes, I do feel like it might be a lifestyle book. But man, my, my whole perspective on life has changed so much because you can either look at life as a tragic drama, a tragedy drama. Field mini series are like a lightly scripted dramedy. I love that. It's all in the attitude.

My dad, who's eighties seven, wakes up every day, looks in the mirror and says, I could either complain about how old I am, or his wife died and whatever else he said, Or I can have the best freaking day, and he said, I always choose the best day. And he's so happy because he just tells himself that he

has a choice. That's how I feel like we're literally just in a lightly scripted dramedy, and like you know, we can get caught up in like the headlines and things are, we can like try to see what the bigger picture is. Like you know, I'm sure all of us are drained by Oscar talk, but like when I see the Oscar talk, like we talk about, I always try to, like you said earlier, this is his podcast is about what's important. So when I look at that,

what do I see that's important? In that? I see, um fifty three year old man who I know does a lot of work on himself, right, But clearly that was some type of mental breakdown. And so if that doesn't show you that healing is not linear nothing with you know what I mean? Like if that man who has access to all of these different resources and it's using them, and somebody that I called a Willie low them because you know, he clearly has reached a certain

level of enlightenment. But if that person still has a mental breakdown in that moment, if the pressure of that moment got to him so much that he projected whatever pain and he was you know, dealing with on to somebody else. And then when you look at look at you know, Christ in that moment, and you think about how he talks about his childhood and how he was traumatized when he was young, and how he would bullied when he was young, you gotta be only think about

how with that triggered for him. So it's just like, I see a bigger conversation about mental health. I see a bigger conversation about emotional intelligence. I see a been the conversation about men, you know, needing a safe space to be able to express their emotions so they don't end up, you know, projecting their emotions through violence, you know, the way that he did. And that's the conversation I've been wanting to have around the whole situation. Everything else

is just silly interview. You're so spot on and you're so skilled at having that conversation, which I think is something I personally really appreciate about the competitions you have because you don't shy away from anything. You know, you obviously are talking about the topic of the day every day, both morning and night, um, and through all these different mediums.

But then I feel like what you do really skillfully is that exact thing that you just did for us right now is takes something like the oscars or that that moment in the oscars that everybody's focused on what actually happened as and going so much deeper and kind of forcing us to have another look at that situation in a way that's actual a useful for everybody as opposed to just picking on the celebrities and what they went through in that moment. Absolutely, yeah, just when they say,

be the change you're living at. So you know, I thank you for that. And we always asked the last question, which is if you can literally tell people that are listening one thing and I know this is gonna be hard for you, one thing that will absolutely change their life if they just listen to one thing. According to Charlemagne, yeah, I knew you I was gonna stuff. One thing I

would tell people invest invest in their mental wealth. Um And yeah, I just say wealth just because you know, mental health sounds so clinical, you know, but just invest in your your mental well being. You know, everything starts there, literally everything, like you know, until you get it right up here, you can't get it right, you know, in

any any place else. And and and you know you gotta be kind to yourself, right because we beat ourselves up, you know, because we have fell short throughout our lives, or we've made mistakes throughout our lives, or because people have done us wrong, you know, throughout our lives. So we end up beating ourselves up, like why did I allow that to happen? Or why did I do this? So? Why did I do that? How did I end up

in that situation? But the reality is where where human you know, healing is healing is hard, and if it wasn't, we would all be whole. But we're not whole. We're human, you know. So it's just like yo, when you invest in your your mental well being, it helps you to be able to process all of that and realize that everything that you gone through or been through has been part of this long process and long experience that you know, we're all engageing in, and that experience is simply called life.

And I'm I'm really scared for this next generation because I don't know how they get to process anything in the world of social media like they're really they're literally trying to keep up with a level of perfection, of our perfection that does not exist. My good friend Stephen Ferdy, you know, we're from the same hometown, a most fund of South Caroline and him my wife went to school together.

He's a pastor in Charlotte, and he has this term where he said, it's his sermon that he said, we keep comparing are everyday lives the other people's highlight riels. That's what social media is is everybody's highlight reel. Nobody's showing you the actual process. Nobody's showing you all the times they failed, all the mistakes they made, and they're adding filters. So it's not even the highlight reel. It's the highlight reel with like effects, with like motor effects.

So it's not given anything that will drive you crazy. So it's just like, you really do gotta you really got to invest in your your mental wealth nowadays. Man. In the investment. It might be self help books, the investment might be therapy. The investment might be you know, a sacred purpose coach. But you just gotta find some way to heal. You have to well, thank you so much. And I just have to confess I was very nervous.

I was really nervous about this interview, and I interviewed people all the time or this conversation, and my takeaway is you are just awesome and I want you to be my friend forever. I think you are the coolest, most wonderful man, and I think you're going to make a lot of changes. So thank you, Bobby. We gotta do that dinner my wife. My wife would think I'm the coolest person in the world if I can arrange dinner with with with with Bobby Brown. Even finer