Inside and Out w/ Gabrielle Reece

long it's been since we've seen each other. I actually remember the first time we worked together, which was either eight or eighty nine, and it was a studio down in the village off you know that studio that was like, um, you'd take an elevator up to like the second or third floor, and I almost want to I feel like, was it Jill or somebody? But I remember it so clearly,

just the whole experience. Well, it's so funny. I remember working with you, and honestly, I just remember how much we connected, like compared to other models I worked with. And you know, I don't know why there's not a whole lot of similarities, but there was just something real about both of us stuck in the middle of this fashion industry, and we talked a lot about fitness. We talked a lot about stupid things like weight. You know, I'm five foot tall, your six three. Great. Okay, So

we were quite a you know, quite a pair. But you know, there was a lot of like girl girl talking, a lot of self esteem stuff. And you know, You've built your platform on it and I've built mine on it, so it's pretty cool. Well, and I remember you talking about that you had started to make up business and I was like, oh, that is amazing. And uh, it's funny because because that era produced you know, yourself and

Francois Nors and a few other people. But I remember thinking, wow, she she really did it, like because you were sort of, I don't want to say not nonchalant, but it was like, you know, you didn't make a big thing of it. And I'd say from that time to really not so many years after that, I was like, oh, no, Bobby Brown is kicking some real ass right now. Yeah. So no, it was quite a journey my first company, you know, I stayed for twenty two years after I sold it.

So that was a big thing, and I walked away and I started another makeup company, which I think I sent you Jones Road. Yeah, I actually bought some of the products. I saw it, and I was like, because I do also appreciate UM. I was working with somebody I'm gonna I don't want to botch Terry's last name yesterday randomly and you came up. Your name came up.

We were talking about the makeup movement that's so intense right now and has been intense for a really long time, and we were I was like, yeah, I was watching this video and Bobby Brown's like, okay, so now I'm gonna show you how to contour and then You're like, no, not you know, and we're talking about UM. And so for me, your new your new company, UM, your your Jones company. I just uh, I was like, oh, she's staying.

You know, there's a line that I feel like you're holding to support people who, um, I don't want to say, are confused, but maybe just doesn't feel like that comfortable to get up every day and try to, you know, put on that quite of an intense makeup protocol right well, you know, for me, it's makeup and beauty are kind

of intertwined. And really I wear makeup because I want to look better, I want to feel better, and I get the most women do that to Most women don't want to be, you know, out there doing the contour and all this stuff. So yeah, that's the Jones Road thing. But it's problems similar for you in the fitness world, Like you just do this without thinking you're working out, Like do you do you like? Is it an effort for you or is it just such part of your life.

I think it's both. I think I think we could say that about anything that's you know, think about marriage or parenting or what have you. I think it's the things that you've come to a piece and a non emotional reaction to that. There's a level of difficulty to it UM work, but that there's also sort of an acceptance to UM two too, that it's important and so you you can sort of take the emotions out of it. So no, I mean, yes, it is work. It's not just like, oh it's fluid and and you're trying to

change it. You know, you're trying to learn UM without hopping all over the place, right, Like I think growing in a way that there's still like your consistent thread throughout. Uh. That always is the balance, especially with something like fitness where there's trends all the time and such. Well, we both have pretty long term marriages. I've been married thirty three years. And how many years you've been married to laird.

I've been married to laird for almost twenty five years together, thirty three though, that's that's yeah, it is you know, And yes it is work. I mean, I you know, it's totally work and it's worth it. And you've got three girls, yeah, three daughters. Yeah, I got three sons, so yeah, so you know, and that's joyful and hard and work and all of those things. So any did any of your I mean, it's kind of funny because you have I thought I would only have sons, and

you think a woman who was into makeup would have daughters. No, but I have daughter in laws, which is a whole Yeah. I have two out of the three are married to daughter in laws, and one of them is having a baby. So, believe it or not, I'm going to be a grandma in September, which is crazy. Like I just had my third baby who's now going to be twenty four next week. But you know, crazy, Thank you. So what advice do you have for people to have a long term happy marriage?

Oh jeez, well, I think you know, the ways that it works for everybody is so unique and different. I do know that it's sort of the individual's responsibility, for the most part, to make yourself happy. I you know, I sort of don't think it really is realistic to look to our partners, or even our children for that matter, to kind of make us happy or fulfill something that

maybe we need separately from them. I think that there's a lot of um, deep meaning and connection when you're when you're in a relationship and when you have children. But I don't. But there's also a part of us, all of us that we it's a it's a something we've got to satisfy ourselves. Um. And I think the idea of growing each person wanting to do that. I I think it would be really hard if Laird was like, you know, Gabby, you should read more and open up

your mind. I think that would be hard. But if it if it's sort of like your values are similar enough, even though you can be incredibly different. UM. I have that in my relationship my husband and I are. From the outside, everyone thinks, oh, there's probably they're so similar.

We're very, very different. But I think our core values are are similar, and and you know, maybe giving it one real bumpy road to go through and seeing if you don't just bail like I had, you know, we had I'd say two kind of moments in our marriage where could have easily been like all right, that was cool, thanks, and just sometimes good going through one and seeing that, oh, not only is it possible, because that's that's the other thing you've experienced, this where I think maybe couples look

at each other and they think, today, wow, the love is you know, different, but that you can just get through it and then the love can return back in all the ways, romantically, sexually, in all these ways that you thought maybe you couldn't. So I think it's it's also kind of weathering that what is lad like? I've only seen him, you know, on on interviews, like what like how would you describe him? Besides like, I don't even know if I'd be able to breathe if I

saw him in person. He's so gorgeous, So like, what is he like? He's like a caged animal? Bobby. He's like the most loving and attentive partner. Um, but he is. He's never really mellow. He's so intense, like you could be talking about how something is built, like a desk, like everything. He is so engaged, which at times can

be Um. You know. It's like as his partner, I'm like, we choose, do you want somebody who's apathetic about everything or would you rather have someone who's like really curious and serious and like you know in there. Um and he is has a relationship with nature that makes it really hard for him at times, and I feel for him, but it's also again connected to all the things, all

the things I really love about him. Um and he's you know, he had a really good mom that he admired a lot, and so it's interesting, you know, being surrounded by women, he's you know, has this sort of one level of I call it true masculinity. I think masculinity has gotten a bad rap because I feel like true masculinity is so beautiful. It's it's helpful, it's protective,

it's honorable, it's all these things. It's strong. It's like, so Laird has that um and uh yeah, but you you know, you can't you have to you you have to be a little ninja to be with Laird, Like you have to not take anything really too personal. And you you're not gonna tell him anything. You're not gonna be like, uh, you better do this, or how come you didn't do that? Um, it's like your your best self. And then Laird's already in an agreement with himself that

he'll he'll be his best self. But people ask me all the time, like, oh, do you let Laird? I'm like, Larry's not to be control. Well, it's funny I could say, on a different path, the same thing about my husband. And I know, for me personally, because I'm a strong woman, you know, like you are, But I married someone stronger than me, and I know that's the only guy that's going to keep me on my toes. It's the agreement

of without being spoken. I always liken it's like if you went to went to school and you had a professor that was so cool and treated you really well, but you sort of knew that you just weren't going to mess with them. And I feel like that's such a better way, where with Laird, I am. I know, I always say I don't speak to anyone better than I speak to Layard, because the silent understanding is like he probably wouldn't really accept anything other than that, and

that isn't with like threats and weirdness. That's just like, hey, I'd like to live like that, And I think I have my own visions hopefully where it's like let's let's try to be up here. Laird calls it the Cold War. It's like, you know, we're just doing this all the time, you know, but there's a checks and balance, which somehow I like myself more when I'm with a person who helps me be put you know, I'm in my better

self right. And you know the line of of wellness products, you know is the brand is called Layered right, Yes, so we have Layered Superfood and we have a fitness brand called XPT. Yeah, because Laird super Food came from a habit that Lard was doing in our kitchen and then two thousand fifteen became a company by accident. And there's so many of those companies out there, but these actually taste delicious, like like sometimes I you know, I I believe the hype, I buy it, and I'm like,

this tastes terrible his food taste. Sometimes I just take a scoop of the coconut, like that's why my sweet tooth, and I'm like, all right, that's done. Layerity eats this. Where where am I abs? Come on? Layard? I tried, you know, but it's really good. Yeah. Well, we have a conversation all the time that Laird is so committed to high level ingredients. I am too, but he's sort

of in one notch up. But I always am the voice of reason and I'm the I'm like, listen, you, no one will do anything all the time if it's if you don't enjoy it. And and on top of it, the ceremony of what is people's coffee, it's like, you know, the I think the other thing about that was this. It's like you saying to people, Hey, if you're gonna put makeup on, let's figure out a way that we do. It's sort of the best way to support ourselves in

this way. It's like, if you're already doing this, can we give you a better option And you don't have to sacrifice anything. You don't have to be longer in the gym or you know, somehow eat something or drink something, you don't enjoy. So that was the thing. It's like, can we replace one habit with another that might make it just a little better. And you guys are are professional athletes and just life athletes. Are you able to

relax and what you eat? Like, can you just say I'm just gonna eat a sam it today because I know you're going to burn it off. Not over a long period of time, No, but I certainly will eat like if there's a good if we're going to a good place and they have good pizza, like, why mess around?

I think you know. The thing is for me is is that if you get to the core of health, it's even the way you approach all of it is you know, you can't be fanatical about anything right, And so I think it's ever you hear a million times the eight twenty rule. I think pretty much if you're doing the right things percent of the time, that twenty isn't gonna work against you. And I live like that probably just a little more than layered lady. My nature's

he's not emotional about food. Food is fuel for him. Me. I like, oh, like look toast pizza and things like that. And also Gabby like being a professional athlete like you were one of the first, you know, people certainly of my generation that people knew your name like such an icon. How did you deal with that? And how is that different than being a supermodel because you were both well it was good timing, Bobby, and I don't I don't think I was ever fooled into thinking it was anything

other than that. And so I had the sport which grounded me. And I'll tell you really quick story. One time I was at Albert Watson's studio. You know Albert, and you know, listen, you're a fortunate person if you can be in a job with Albert at Albert Watson's studio and you know, the lunches and the foods all out. And I was working with a very well known girl

who was extraordinary looking. She You know, sometimes I when I would go to work, I would see girls that I I they almost seemed not real, Like they're so beautiful, You're just like, how is this a real person? Right? Anyway, we had lunch. This person didn't have an overabundance of self confidence. You could feel it, you know, kind of felt like she was limiting what she was eating and all this Okay, So The next day, I fly to Tallahassee. I go back to school at Florida State. I have practice.

I go there with my teammates. They're sweaty, their butts are probably a little too big, maybe a couple of blemishes, and the robustness of their spirit and their confidence was was a lot more so. I think being grounded in sports, you just looked at it like I get to be I'm really fortunate, Like these people are flying me around the world and paying me for the way that I look. It's not a you know, it's not a qualification or a skill. So I'll just say thanks. And with sport,

it just keeps you really in the earth. So for me, it was I never I don't think I didn't. I didn't lose the plot, so to speak. Yeah, and you were also weren't you the first female athlete to design a shoe at Nike? Yeah, I wasn't. And actually they gave me a designer named Tinker Hatfield who was responsible for all the Jordans, and so you know, I was. That was also a setup for success. If you're with

a designer that you know is making really cool stuff. Um, yeah, listen, I'm not gonna lie and you know this because of your business, a little bit of good fortune and stuff is you know, you could be good. But if you're a little earlier, a little late. And I think I was hit it right, you know there was it was culturally the right time for them. Do you still like play volleyball in your spare time? There is no spare time,

and my brain knows what to do. But if I can't practice, my body so I am so not fun um when I do that. But I I played until about, um, i'd say about five years ago. I played, and I used to only play with with men um because they sort of you know, get over things quickly. Um, So I did that, but mostly it's like training work. And I still have a kid at home, so how old your your baby? Your youngest one? And yeah, so it's

just you know, she's the last one. So it's kind of like you know how you get put them in the launching pad time, so we're sort of have one more launch um and these are the critical years um and then uh you know, you never know, but yeah, I think for me, i'd like to volleyball so much as a game. It was so fun, but I'd like to play it at a really high level. I think I might be too obnoxious to play it like for fun. But does does? I mean, I'm not asking your age.

I'm sixty five, which kind of blows my mind. I've all, you know, I am. I'm I'm in my mid sixties, and I haven't done a thing to my face. I haven't shot anything. I get Can we talk about I'm fifty two, so I'm right, I'm might. You know, that's such an interesting thing. How do you keep it at bay? Do you think it's love? You know? I, first of all, I'm genetically lucky. I know that. I know I look

good for my age. But I've kept a clean life, and so you know, I might sometimes, you know, have a little extra vodka one night, but I you know, I'm just I have a very clean lifestyle and for some reason. I mean, look, there's good lighting and there's bad lighting. I am now like a TikTok sensation in my mid fifties, and there's times where I'm like, oh my god, that light was so bad. I look a hundred and other times I'm like, wow, I look really good.

But it's not fair to the people that are watching me, because I'm just really good at looking at good light, right I find I know the good light, but I should really post something with bad light so people understand it's real. And you know, all I have on my face is literally a touch of some of my miracle ball I put on my cheeks because my skin is actually pretty good. But I don't know. I'm going to ask you the same question. And you live in Hawaii. I'm out in the Hamptons. So I get sun, like,

I don't know, how do you deal with it? I wear long sleeves, you know, and I just try to make the best possible feeling like I want to feel good in my body. It's not actually how the way I look, it's how I feel. So how do you deal with this? Well, I think you're saying something really important. I think vitality, life force, if you will, is there

map as there? What's magnetic about someone? Um? And so I think, listen, there are days where you know, you catch a glimpse in like a rear view mirror of a car something you're like, ohoa, when did that? You know? Like certain things, Um, I've always protected myself from the sun. I grew up in the Caribbean so I've been in the sun my whole life, and then beach volleyball. I tuned in early about kind of trying to protect my skin because a lot of the girls were so uberfit,

but their skin was getting worked very young. So I've been diligent about that. But I'm a big believer that you can also take things um, you know, sort of orally to maybe reinforce your skin a little bit. So obviously being hydrated, I think omega's some pine bark. There's some things that go back. What's what's pine bark? Um? Well, I'm trying to think of the scientific name for it, but there are supplements that sort of um can give

your skin a little bit of reinforcement. And they say also, you know things that you want to avoid, like when you're nursing, like broccoli and things like that, that those extracts can give you sort of natural some blocks if you orally take um crociferous type things. So I think I never, you know, drank, I ate really healthy. I moved around a lot um. But to your point, I really believe the number one is your your excitement about life.

So you have things that you even when you have your children, you had your own business and your own real estate, and and something about having something you're excited about that you've got to show up for every day. You can love your family to the moon and back, and that's great. But I do think there's something so powerful for someone, especially a female, to be like, I'm something other than young and pretty, because that'll that'll kick

your ass in such a way. By the time you know your forty five, all of a sudden, does that mean you're less valuable? It's like, well, no, now you have all this experience, Now you have all these you know this other stuff to contribute, and so um, I find that that to be helpful. But yeah, I try to protect my son, but I mean my my skin from the sun. But I do pool training, which is like you're in the sun. Um, But I'm pretty mindful. I I haven't done anything intense to my face. I

think I've tried botox like two times. I just hated it and now it's like, all right, So I have lines in my forehead when rested and moisturized, they don't look bad at all. Well, that's the thing. People don't think that they can impact their beauty from the inside out. And then knowing what works for you, like you say, with with your skincare, and even how you use makeup, Like I look like I get very masculine with very heavy makeup. It's not it is not. It's not a

good look. So I already know less it's going to be better for me. Um, and I don't overdo it. That's the other thing I think sometimes like oh I get a blemmer, you get a line, and then some people start packing on more stuff and using more things, which I think make it worse, you know, And my my big like hint for people when you have those days or those periods where you look in the mirror

and you're like, don't look good. I just tell people stop looking, stop looking, go out, go out and exercise, Go call a friend, go drink more water, just stop microscoping. And we're you know, we're one of seven sometimes, you know, like when you get into your head and your own trip and you think, then you if you get that space like you're saying, go take a walk, you go, wait a second, I'm one of seven billion people, Like

do you think anyone really cares about my skin? It's like so that self important trip of that can really eat you alive where I heard a great thing. There's a beautiful book called Strength to Strength by Arthur C. Brooks, and he talks about fluidity um fluid intelligence and crystallize intelligence and how if we can learn how to jump from one to the next as we age. Um, there's

some great satisfact. But he talked about redwood trees being like, but the roots are only five ft but the only way that that happens is that they're connected to all the other roots from the other redwoods. So I think sometimes getting out of the me all the time except for you know, check in, how are you really feeling? Do you have to talk to anyone? Do you need

to correct anything? So you have those check ins. But then once you get past that, you're like, hey, I'm just a part of all of this stuff going on. I think that can be pretty liberating. So what do you do when you like, I I deal with anxiety, you know, which I think everyone does, And like, who do you talk to and what do you do? Well, I'll tell you. I you know, I'm a I go I'm like have a stoic philosophy like that, you know, And of course coming from sports, it's like suck it up,

you know, put your armor on. Things like that. But as in my adult life and as and as a parent, what really helped me was I went to a woman named Byron Katie. She has a program called The Work, and so it's a lot about self inquiry. So it's like, as we start the narrative, it's like, here's the tools to just don't even fight the hook, right. But if it's it's like a deep feeling, I will like sit with Laird uh and say, you know, I've been experiencing this,

and I don't wait too long. I think, I try not to hold it in too long, where you just put it out there. And then for me that I think is the alleviator in doing it quicker, sooner than later, so that it isn't so much bigger this thing that we make up that's not even usually real most of the time anyway. Um, And that's very helpful. But I always say to people, Um, when people talk about meditation and all these things, I agree with a lot of that. But every time you're in a shower or in a

car by yourself, check inside, what's how's it going? How do you feel? Are you frustrated? Are you angry with anyone? Do you own anyone an apology? Um? Are you dreaming of making a change or doing something? And I think if we do that every day, I think it keeps some of this other the stuff that worries us and creates anxiety. Um at bay. But the work really helped me a great deal. UM. There's it has four questions like is it true? Can you know it to be

true for sure? Who were you when you think those thoughts? And who would you be without that belief? And then you can sort of check in with that and pretty much you can unwind it pretty quickly. So what else are you working on now? I know you have this podcast? Is it a newer podcast? How long has it been happen? I'm probably two years in. I have a t shows.

I used to do another podcast with an author named Neil Strauss, so UM I talked to scientists and experts and psychologists and UM I just had Stephen Mitchell and Rick Rubin who's a music producer on this last podcast, and we talked about the dow to Ching because Stephen um had done a version of this book. So I really enjoy it because maybe, like for you, you experience this.

It's it's sort of forced learning, UM, and it keeps my mind open um because I think that's it can be tricky, like, for example, you've had one successful business that you've moved into another. I think when you've been at all good at anything, that can really bite you in the butt if you're not careful because you're like, well, I know how to do things. It's like, well, yeah, you that worked then. And now we live in a new place and it's a new world and people communicate

differently and you're different. And so I think for me that's been a really great thing, um to be learning. And also to simplify the information. How do I take really complicated things and make this achievable for people, um to say, oh, you know what, this sounds like, I could do that and use that in my real life. I'll try to incorporate that and not make it too

heavy and too complicated. Okay, No, I you know you're the person that I'm gonna call when I'm having like an anxious thing because I don't want to go into you know, a shrink. I'm really not good at me meditation. I'm I'm just not. But sometimes you just need like you're like a tree, like you're just a solid with your roots in the ground. And I think that's a really amazing quality that I you probably got from your parents, but I think it's, uh, my parents were not really around.

I think I'm having to figure it out my You know, my dad died when I was five, and my mom actually took a short hiatus from parenting from two to seven, So I think it was actually it was a reaction to to that and then having good adults and support. There's a great book also, I'll just throw it out there called Anxiety are X and it's by Dr Kennedy Russell Kennedy, and um, it's a beautiful book, very simple and very actionable for people who feel anxiety. Because anxiety, Um,

it's not a feeling, it's a thought. And so what we ruminate, we're that's the death spiral. So how do we actually pull it into our body and be like And everyone feels a different like you say, some people feel their traps. Me personally, I pack everything in my hips, like when I armor up, I get tight and here other people might feel their soul plexus and then going okay,

now it's in my body. How do I make myself feel calm and good and get it out because when it stays in the cranium, Uh, it's not so good. All right, I wrote, I wrote that down. You know, my mind's in my gut, like we all have it somewhere. Mine goes right to my gut. It's it's really powerful, and I think it's also when you can be like there, it is cool. Cool. So you know, I always want to ask people about their like things they love besides your family, Like now it's like just stuff. Do you

have any favorite T shirts? Not that you and I will share clothing ideas and they are built so different. Any special Have you found the perfect T shirt? And have you found any great jeans lately? Okay? You know I am. I have a thirty six seven inch in teams, so it's a nightmare. So I wear jeans. There's a company called mid Heaven that does very long jeans. Frame actually has a Carly Class model. I don't know if they still make it. It was very long. Um. I

wear a lot of velvet T shirts. I can't kill them if I tried. They don't kill um. And they're long enough in the torso for me. But they're not boxy, and uh and and any shoe that will fit me is my favorite exactly twelve. Well, oh my god, eleven when I was modeling, and then after volleyball and kids and stuff, I went to twelve. But could you imagine when I was in fashion, I was like, it was

like the biggest nightmare. I would show up and they'd be like, Okay, I don't nothing's gonna fit you, you you know, Oh my god. Yeah. I mean next time I complained because I have to take a scissors and cut everything I bring into the house. And I've been wearing like a little boy's size you know, four T shirt because it fits my shoulders. And I'm like, anyway, so we all we all have, you know, the stuff to deal with. And I think that's the important point, is that when

we can be like, hey, what's weird about me? Is what's special and cool about me? And yeah, okay, so you gotta do a little extra work. I'm trying to find pants long enough or you know, take the hem off on something if you're shorter. Um, I don't. We're not that unique in the way that everybody has something. Well, your next book I think should be titled It's all okay. Honestly, it's because that's what's coming out of your mouth. Everything's fine,

it's all okay. Well, Bobby, I'm gonna I'll share something with you because I am very intense. And you know there's a I read this book, uh that was said. You know, women biologically are more prone to negative emotion, which means like worry and stuff like that makes sense right,

based on nature and biology. And my favorite thing that my husband says to me because he can see when I'm wound up, like the jawn might flex and the eyes get, you know, like this, he goes, listen, It's all gonna be okay, and then he looks at me and he goes and it is okay. Yeah, my, That's why I'm with my husband. But I will have a cocktail at night to kind of make it okay. You don't have that. Do you like smoke weed? Do you

do anything gummy out of m okay? So what I do you ever feel like your head sets up like concrete Sometimes when you're dealing with too many details work and you start getting like almost fixed, you can feel like I call it hardhead. So I was micro dosing. I did micro dose it doesn't get you stony. Okay, So after I've read Michael Palm's book and a couple other things, because I'm a square, I was like, you know what I can I'm open to this. So I

did implement some micro dosing, which helps. It did help, and you're not like, oh the colors. It's just like something happens where you get into homeostasis that I felt was helpful. I could recall better. So I did that. Um and then um, there have been stop wait why did you stop? No? No, you just kind of bring it in and out. You know, it's like three days a week and then maybe take a break and then you know, like maybe you start few on in the

heart the helmet come again. So then I'd like, oh, you know, maybe I'll implement that a little um and I and listen. I started doing that my fifties and then um uh and then I have used edibles for sleep for sure. Yeah. I I cannot do THHC. If I have even one percent, my mind goes crazy. So you know, my chiropractor said, some people's chemistry isn't good for that, and they're better with vodka. Other people's chemistry is not good for alcohol. Yeah, tequila or vodka either one.

Tequila makes me dance and and makes me like have fun, and vodka calms me down. My families are you know, we're Russian Jews, So maybe vodka in the d N A kill is the only nondepressant um. All right, yeah, yeah for sure. So where do you get micro dosing? Don't you have to go to someone because I don't think in New York and New Jersey it's like readily available. But now, I mean yes, and I have friends and

you want to do it intelligently and safe. But there are places now, especially with it being legal in Oregon, um that you can get it and it's measured out and there's sort of a clinical aspect to its. All of a sudden you don't have some weird thing happened. But I would say with now, with online wink wink, uh, you can probably get some really good stuff that is highly measured and really professionally done. Yeah. Well, I'm going to have to text you later and and and fin

and find your sources. Yeah no, seriously, I I mean, you know again, I feel comfortable talking about that because I am such a square um and uh, it just it was something that was very very positive. But after I did research and checked out, then I was like, oh, yes, okay, to let go a little and I and I'm the person that will jump in and try anything and if it works, it works, and if it doesn't, I'm like, all right, it didn't work, So I am open. But

but this podcast is called The Important Thing. So you know, the last and final question I ask everyone what people listening now, if they listen to this whole podcast us, which I know they're going to because people love you, what is the one piece of advice you have for anyone listening? According to Gabby Rays, that is the important thing and will change their life. Well, I think that the idea of taking care of yourself. And I don't mean being a professional athlete and having six pack abs.

I mean really taking care of yourself, eating well enough, moving often enough. But also that the sharp end of the stick on that is your emotionality. Because you can eat, I'm gluten free and you know all this other bs and I monitor my order ring, my heart variability. It's you have to start first with how can you get to yourself to a place a perspective where then you

can manage it all. I think it's in reverse. If we think, oh, I'm as sized too, and I make this much money, It's like, that isn't for me when I think about health. But I will say that it is. The has been the ultimate tool for me to get that distance from my feeling to my reaction so that I can navigate everything or try try. And I know I said that was the last question, but I'm like, I'm wearing an or ring, I'm monitor my glucose once I get six pack abs, Like, like, I don't get it.

I'm doing everything. I'm gluten free, you know, I I'm I'm I dance around gluten, but I'm pretty much gluten free. I'm like, all right, what else could someone do to cut the last stuff? Or when you're sixty five years old and you do drink, do I just get a hell with it? So I've never had six pack abs. I'm not going to get them now. Well, okay, so if you didn't have them at seventeen, genetically, maybe you don't have them. So the other thing is that's not

the symbol of great health and vitality and longevity. I don't know where that came in. Now. If we don't have a lot of excess weight around the mid better six pack ABS has nothing to do with it having less weight around the organs. Good ripped here nor there. Um. So if you feel good, if you can get up and down off the floor by yourself, if you can get up and down off the toilet by yourself, if your grip strength is pretty good, if you've got some flexibility,

something falls, you can pick it up. Um, if you're sleeping, well it's like you know, it's working out. But I think we use these things that got set as gauges for health. Um, and some of it is is not really is not an equation to to great health. Well you are. You are a wonderful teacher. And I am so happy to see you again and I'm so happy to have you on this podcast and I'm gonna be following you wherever i can because I want to learn

more you really. I want to say one thing that people can do right now, free anywhere, and um it is you hear everyone talking about breath James Nestor's book, there's a book called the Oxygen Advantage. Excellent if people unless they're sprinting on a track, Um, everyone should be only breathing in and up through their nose. If I could say one thing to people and also see this breath that's called a vertical breath. You want to have a horizontal, round, circular breath that goes down first into

the belly. Three parts breath, so belly sort of think of the upper ribs and then the lats. So it's deep and slow. So that means you do three to four inhales and exhales per minute. Most of us are breathing, especially for mouth breathing, twelve to fifteen breasts per minute. What happens is we're breathing quicker and shallower. We're in our chest, we're in our sympathetic are rebbed up or anxious side. If we can slow that breath down, get

it into the nose, we slow ourselves down. We're more relaxed. And also then your CEO two rises and the oxygen that's in your blood has the opportunity to get absorbed into the cells and tissues, so better for your health. And if people have small children, make sure they're sleeping with their mouth closed because the teeth and the way the jaw developed and then the hun can go to the roof of the mouth for little kids, better for

their dental health, and for everything else. So if you want to talk about the ultimate easy thing, yeah, breathing. So my two takeaways are breathing, I'm never getting six pack ads, and I'm gonna try microghosting. That's my takeaway. There you go, Bangu, Well, thank you so nice to see you. Let me know if you're ever in our in our coast, I will hello haa, hello, haa, bye bye. Thanks for listening. Follow us on social at The Important Things podcast on Instagram, and just Bobby Brown on TikTok.

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