For me, the most powerful part of the process was how enjoyable it was, how loved I felt, how safe I felt. And that in itself was such a powerful message to me that healing doesn't have to come from a place of suffering. It can come from a place of joy. Welcome, everybody. My name is Drew Horning, and this podcast is called Love's Everyday Radius.
It's brought to you by the Hoffman Institute, and its stories and anecdotes and people we interview about their life post process and how it lives in the world radiating love. Hey, everybody. Welcome to the Hoffman podcast. Liz Moody is with us. Liz, welcome. Thank you. I'm so excited to be here. Damn. We are excited to have you. Liz does a lot of things, everybody. But one of the things she does is run and host the Liz Moody podcast, and it's quite popular. I checked it out the other
day. How many do you how do you judge a podcast, Liz? Downloads, subscribers? I judge it personally on the amount of people whose lives that I'm changing. That's actually something I can talk about, but the process helped me become less focused on the numbers of it all. But, yes, on the charts and with the downloads and all of that kind of stuff, we we do quite well. Wow. I imagine tentacles of the process, lots of places in your life. Yes. Many places, and I'm sure we'll get
into a lot of those here. Alright. Let's do it. So in addition to your podcast list, you've written a couple books. Right? I have. Yeah. I have 2 cookbooks. And then most recently, last fall, I released a book called a 100 ways to change your life, and it's a compilation of expert backed tips and then ways to action those tips. We have a 100 of them so you can kinda flip through the book and use what speaks to you at the moment based on your needs at the moment.
Wow. So writer podcaster, one's kind of an introverted thing, the other's quite extroverted. Are these two sides of you? I consider myself an extroverted introvert. I really need that time to sort of decompress, to be by myself, to read, to take things in. But, yes, I love people. I love being around people. I end up loving structured fun with people because it
takes the social anxiety away from it. Like, I have a conversation card company where you can pull cards and have really deep conversations, which is what I'm always craving so much. But sometimes I feel social anxiety trying to get there. You know what I mean? Structured fun, Liz. Those two words, I like it. I I sound like a ball. No. They sound great. Like, what a way to navigate, the social anxiety or the uncertainty.
Let's create some structure around it. And then within that structure, you get to have fun. Mhmm. And, I mean, I've been trying to tap into more of just whimsical play. That's another thing that the process really led me to value more in my life. I just had my birthday recently, and we did a day of childlike fun for my birthday. And that was very much inspired by my experience with the process too. But I love a dinner party where there's conversation
starters. I love, like, a murder mystery party. I love a game night. Just something with a little bit of structure to it. We're gonna go a lot of places. We keep saying that. But one of the things that I sorta hear in the work that you do is that it's deeply inspired by kinda what you're inspired by lately in your life. Do you feel like what you produce is sort of what's inside of you creatively in the moment? A 100%.
My career journey I mean, it started a very, very long time ago when I was 15 years old and I pitched a newspaper column, but I was a journalist in a more general sense for a very long time before changing my focus to personal growth, transformation, wellness, and that was inspired by my personal journey with agoraphobia, where I would have panic attacks whenever I left the house. So that seeking and that applying my skills to that seeking kicked off this phase of my career.
And in many ways, things that I'm seeking in my life show up in my career and have ever since. But I'm also really always trying to see what people need and what people want and what people are talking about and how I can serve them the most. Yeah. So it sounds like the work you're producing is kind of Venn diagram. What is in your life in the moment and then also what people need is what you're hearing from your audiences, your people who are buying your books. A 100%.
A really interesting experience that I've had recently is having my own work find me when I needed it. So I would do these podcast episodes, and I would talk to all these experts and doctors, and I would hear the material that way. And I would prep for these podcasts for hours and hours beforehand. So I'm already deep into the material. And then I wrote about it in my book, and then I went on book tour for
it. And then months later after I'd had all of these different touch points with the same material, I'd have this moment like, oh, wait. That's a really good tip. I should try that right now. And I say this because I think sometimes there's so much information out there in the world. You should do this. You should try this. Here's this tip, this expert saying this, and we can feel really overwhelmed by all that information.
But I've had the experience so many times myself of needing, first of all, these multiple touch points, but then also needing the sense of trust that when you really need these messages, they're in your head waiting for you in the moments that they
are actually needed to come out. And so I think that being patient with yourself and and knowing that you know everything you need to get you through those hard times is a really valuable lesson in this age of, like, over information that we're all living in. Liz, you are talking our language at Hoffman. It feels like sometimes people come to the process and do personal growth work to fix themselves.
I'm imagining you're relating to that. This is about trusting that you do have all you need inside of you. There's nothing wrong with you. Could you do the personal growth from that place rather than trying to fix yourself something's wrong with you? Yeah. And so it's one of yeah. It's one of the things that I really, really love about Hoffman is there's these moments of pain and calling your pain forth and sharing your pain. And obviously that's a really, really,
really powerful part of the process. But for me, the most powerful part of the process was how enjoyable it was, how loved I felt, how safe I felt, And that in itself was such a powerful message to me that healing doesn't have to come from a place of suffering. It can come from a place of joy. Wow. This kind of seemed like a radical idea. I noticed I'm just taking a breath that healing doesn't have to come from a place of suffering. It can come from a place of joy.
And in fact, there's a lot of science to support that healing better comes from a place of joy. I just did a podcast episode with a UCSF psychologist, and she was talking about how we have all these stress hormones that turn on and those stress hormones make it almost impossible for us to move forward, to break bad habits. And we have to essentially turn off those stress hormones at a root level to be able to make the changes that we wanna make in our lives.
Liz, we should also add researcher to your title because it sounds like you're doing research as you get people to listen in on the research you're doing as you interview all these experts.
So my background is in journalism, and I am always trying to seek out the best sources to find the science at the root of different things, and it's actually been a really fun part of Hoffman for me is you guys use I mean, it's such a tried and tested and true process, but you guys are utilizing, I don't know, like, 20, 30 different types of the latest research in all these different
fields. And as I become more familiar with all those different research practices and neuroscience and psychology and all these different things, I'm like, oh, that was the way Hoffman was using that. That's so interesting. I'm smiling because I appreciate that you see the research behind the curated experience that we bring to students. Mhmm. I do think and this is the other thing that I was gonna say earlier. The whole trust the process, trust the process,
trust the process. Like, like, you're almost like, yeah. Yeah. I get it. I trust the process. But, really, if you can sit back and trust it, and then to the point of what I was saying earlier, trusting in the days after and I really wanna say this clearly because I listened to the Hoffman podcast. I was trying to really limit my time on social media at that time and let everything that I learned in the
process really seep in. And this was well after my reintegration weekend, but I was just trying to bask in that glow of Hoffman for as long as possibly possible. And this podcast felt like a lifeline to me back to Hoffman. And I'd listened to it and I would be like, oh, am I doing all of the practices right? Like, am I falling behind? Am I not where I should be?
And for me being further out from it now, it's really been a process of trusting that what I need to get from the process will continue to unveil itself to me in the time that it needs to and that there isn't a right way to exit the process. And I just really wanna share that because I was so concerned about not wasting my experience and getting the most out of it right after. And and the further out I get, the more abundantly clear it is to me that that's not possible.
You talk a lot about trust and patience and trusting yourself and the journey post process. I really appreciate that. But let's dive in a little bit if you're open here. What led you to signing up and taking a week off and paying the money? You're based in Berkeley. Right? Mhmm. Yeah. Although yeah. I just moved back to Berkeley at that time. I lived nomadically for 3 years, and then I did this whole book promo fall thing. And then I had just moved back to Berkeley when I did
the process. I see. So what kind of state were you in, and what was your motivation for signing up for Hoffman? I signed up for it in the middle of my book promotional blitz when I was feeling very burnt out and tired and overwhelmed. And I think having had experience with really severe anxiety with agoraphobia, there's always a part of my brain that's on the lookout for that and trying to make sure that I'm not going to go
back to that place. I remember having that thought at the beginning of the pandemic of, oh, I'd been in this experience of being afraid to go outside when it wasn't actually scary. And then how would my brain react when it was actually scary to go outside? And so I'm always trying to kind of find those bumpers for my mental health and
put them up before they're needed. So, yeah, I was in this experience of being really overwhelmed with my book process, and I'd heard about Hoffman from a number of my podcast guests. I'd heard about it in various social circles over the years, and I've been really interested in trying it. So I signed up and went through the whole book process, and then I got to do my process as a
little reward at the end of that. So you come in a bit burnt out, a bit overwhelmed with awareness around some anxiety patterns. What was the beginning like for you? You're you're a student now. You're sitting in the classroom. What's that like? How did it go? Take us there. I was so nervous. It's so crazy reflecting on the first day. I think it was the first morning when you're sitting there and everybody's a stranger and you're kind of looking around the room
and trying to get their vibe. And then the last day when you're like, oh my gosh. These people are my family. It's such a drastic difference between those 2 days, between how you come and how you leave. But, yeah, I was I was so anxious. I was worried about whether I'd get along with everybody, whether they like me, how hard it would be to be off of my phone and off of my email for the entire week. That was really, really scary for me as a person whose job is primarily online, but
I was also really excited. I like going all in on things. There's something that's really exciting to me versus doing a little bit of something week after week. I liked the idea of having this really immersive experience. You weren't afraid of the intensity. No. I was excited for the intensity. If anything, I was like, how can I make it so that this week really changes me? How deep can we go? How hard can we go? How all in can we
get? And so given some of the beginning is about childhood and about parents, I guess, you had probably done some personal growth work prior to that, but what did Hoffman offer you in those first few days around understanding the negative love syndrome? And, by the way, we'll put lots of stuff in our show notes here. So in case we say something that you're curious about, you can always go to our website and check out our show notes. I just
mentioned the negative love syndrome. But did you find some insights that are worthy of sharing? I did. And I also wanna say to anybody listening, I remember when I read the, like, pre reading material and I was like, what is this? This makes no sense to me. And then over the course of the process, you hear about it so much, and you're like, okay. This does make sense. So that's another thing to trust even if you don't understand it at all right
now. But I I do have a pretty good sense of awareness around my family and my background and all those things. Both of my parents are psychologists. My sister's a psychologist. Both of my husband's parents are psychologists as well. So I'm steeped in that world. But I had a lot of realizations even with that. I realized that many of my patterns were from my step parent who I had not thought had had that significant of an effect on my life. So that was really surprising for me to see, and it gave
me a lot of compassion for her. And I think that word compassion is is a big realization I had with the childhood part of the process is understanding more where my parents were coming from. Ironically or conversely or interestingly, I'm not sure exactly what's the right word, but having that compassion for them gave me the space to get angry with them in a way that I hadn't allowed myself for a really, really, really long time. I don't think ever in
memory. And so those two sides came out powerfully for me in the first few days, and it was a really helpful experience. Yeah. You know, I it's funny. I just had a post process call with a student, and he was saying that one of the things as he reflected back on his process was the permission to allow himself to get angry and express some of the anger and some of the hurt that he had previously really kept down.
It does seem like that's just not something that we are willing to allow ourselves in society. Is this anger and hurt towards our parents? Is it? It isn't. And I think the idea that they have their own stories coming from their own places is a really important part of what the process teaches you in terms of being able to be angry with them. It's it's again, I think having the full understanding of a person's humanness is what lets the anger in, but it's also what
lets the love in. And I think those two things really sit side by side. The full understanding of a person's humanness lets both compassion and anger in side by side? Yeah. Yeah. That was the experience that I had at least. And I remember talking with my teacher. I had an incredible teacher whom I loved very much, and he guided me to places of anger that I had not felt before. And I kept saying that this wasn't their fault and
making those apologies and excuses for them. And he kept saying, but this still impacted you. Like, this is still the experience you had, and these are still the feelings that you're feeling. And it was only once I allowed myself to truly feel those things that I felt a new level of love for them. It's so good, Liz. It's it's only once I allowed myself the anger and to really feel and express that anger that I could
then let love in for them. And what was that process like of really having compassion and love for your parents? It was really special. It it's so interesting because I've not gotten to just sit and reflect on on the love that I've had for my parents in my adult life. I feel like in real life, the relationship is so much more complicated. And they're like, oh, I love you, but then they say something that's really annoying. You're like, why do you have to say that?
I was trying to have a sweet moment with you. But something about this removed experience allows you to kind of rewrite those neural pathways and experience those emotions free of context so that when you go back into context, those pathways are stronger and you're able to have more of the
experience that you want to have. Well, you just really talked about the value of an immersive experience that even though you have to go back into the world in which you came from, there's enough change that took place that it essentially rewired some neural pathways so much so that when you do go back in, things are different for you. Yeah. There's incredible research behind this. I had a doctor Alissa Epel on my podcast, and she's one of the world's foremost experts on stress.
And she said that doing a retreat like experience, an immersive experience can decrease stress levels for up to a year afterward and even longer potentially. And so she really recommends these microbursts of deep immersive experiences, and I'm a huge, huge fan of them. Microbursts. Fantastic. So as the week goes on and we move away from parents, what do you notice about the rest of your experience at Hoffman? How fun it was. Like, I know I keep coming back to that, but I I just
was so nervous going in. And even in talking about it post facto, I'm trying not to make it seem like it was this really intense hard process with my friends and my family. They're like, oh, you went to, like, therapy camp? Like, what was that? I'm like, it definitely is hard, like I said, but it's it was truly one of the best weeks of my entire life, and that's what I remember it as. I remember and I'm grateful for everything that I learned.
But even if I had learned literally nothing, I would do it just because I had such a joyful experience. For me, being able to connect with my peers, with the other people doing the process with me was so special. Getting to hear their stories, having all of these bullshit free conversations. The process gives you permission basically to go up to somebody at lunch and not even permission. I think there's a point where the teachers really tell you, like, we're all here
to do work. You don't need to go up to somebody and talk about the weather. You can go up to them and ask why they're here, what their trauma is about, what was their relationship like with their parents and that permission giving is so special and so beautiful and just led to these incredible connections. And that was a really, like, incredible part of the process for me. And then, like I said, my teacher just made me feel so safe and
that was incredible. The food, have people talked about the food on this podcast? I we we interviewed the owner of the restaurant that we partner with. That was many years ago. So what happened for you with the culinary experience of Hoffman? The food was incredible. It was so nourishing, and you're so I keep saying you're, and I'm flashing back to no. I was. I was very hungry all of the time because I was processing so much, and the
food was just the most delicious food. I still think about the cookies and there was, like, lemonade type drink and the chicken. I'm just like, that I'd go back just for the the food alone. Oh, that's great to hear. I mean, this, I'm I'm appreciating it through your eyes, the breaking of bread together around the table of delicious food talking about deeply personal things. It sounds like that combination worked well for you.
It worked really well for me. And I think highlighted how much in my modern life, at least, I've become divorced from a lot of those those very basic tenants of human happiness, the sharing of conversations that are really deep on a regular basis, the connecting over food and other simple things, The living one's life togetherness of Hoffman is really lovely that you're brushing your teeth next to somebody. You're spending the whole day together. You're doing this work together.
It really gives a sense of we're all in this together in a way that my modern life does not. And it made my modern life feel quite lonely in comparison. I'm I'm so glad you brought this up, Liz, because it does feel like the the as you said, the basic tenants of what it means to be a human and happy. And it feels like part of the process isn't all that special. It's just returning helping people return to what it means to be connected and belong and a part of something.
I'm curious about what you hear from your audiences, your listeners, the in the book tour, because it's one of the things I see in people who's who come to the process. One of the things I've witnessed in the world is increasing isolation, increasing silo experiences of people who are more and more disconnected. A 100%. And I think that's due to
so many things. It's due to the veneration of the single family home, which just isolates us from people we could be living with and living our lives with on a day to day basis. I think social media makes us feel like we're connecting, but it's actually having the exact opposite effect. It's making us feel isolated. It's making us compare. It's also hijacking our attention on a dopamine level and making us not wanna go do the things that actually make us feel really,
really good. So, yeah, I think we're in a epidemic of loneliness. And I also think that people are burnt out and they're tired and they don't feel like what they're doing is working, but they don't know how to fix it. And that's one of the things I like about Ophman is it's sort of like a throw all of the spaghetti at the wall
approach and some of it's gonna stick. And and I think that can be really helpful in a time where you're like, I don't know what I want to change, but I know something needs to change because I cannot keep living like this. There are the throw the spaghetti at the wall metaphor. There are a lot of different ways we come at healing, aren't there? There's a lot of different modalities we kinda touch in the experiences we offer students.
Yes. There are. And I didn't keep all of them, but I got so many life changing ones out of it that even without a 100% sticking, I feel very happy. That's great to hear. So so you you come out, you listen to the podcast, the Hoffman podcast as a way of integrating and holding on to some of the experience and keeping away from your phone and some of the distractions. And then you go back to your life professionally, personally, you do a Hoffman podcast. What would you title the podcast you did
about Hoffman? I think it was just like the 10 biggest lessons that I learned in the Hoffman process and or something it was something like that. But I really wanted to share my personal experience because I was also trying to be cognizant of not giving away too much. I think they say on the last day, they're like, it's not a secret. It's not a cult, but there is a real magic in not knowing what's coming next as the experience is unfolding, and we would appreciate if you wanna
spoil that magic for other people. So I really wanted to focus on my lessons and my experience and also takeaways that you didn't need to go to the process to benefit from those takeaways that I had. And so how was it received? I imagine you've had some people go to the process as a result of listening. I have. You write a note to whoever you hear about the process from on the last day of the process, and it's a really emotional day. I, like, cried all day
long. I'm sure the person who got my note was like, why is the snow soggy and unreadable? But I've been lucky enough to be on the receiving end of a few of those, and it's been really, really just so so special. You know, this podcast is called Love's Everyday Radius. And we use the term Everyday Radius because it's the expansion of love as a result of being a grad of the process. So I'm curious, how has your experience acted as a kind of expanding radius?
How has your life changed as a result of it personally, professionally? What do you notice on this side? There are so many ways that my life has changed as a result of the process that it's almost hard to, like, encapsulate in towards. But I I alluded to this earlier. My entire relationship with my job has changed completely.
Coming off of the book tour and you have all these people talking about how many people bought it every week and making you feel like a failure even if you're on all these bestseller lists because you could be higher on the list, you could be on
other lists, all these different things. And I'd really grown disconnected a little bit from the reason that I started doing my work, which was the immense privilege of helping people solve their problems and and figure out how to change their lives and feel better in their lives on a day to day basis. And I credit the process completely for changing that relationship and making me feel instead of burdened by, oh, I have to do all these social media posts, and
I'm feeling really burnt out and tired. It made me see how lucky I was that I had built this audience, that I had these platforms, that I had the ability to talk to these experts and doctors and all these people that I get to interview, and that I got to help people change their lives. And now I really feel so, so grateful for that job every single day, and I credit the process hugely for that. And then outside of that, my relationship with both of my parents has improved.
My relationship with my husband, I'm able to catch myself when I'm falling into patterns that aren't serving me, that aren't serving our relationship, and he's noticed that as well. And I think I'm gentler with myself. I think I'm more loving toward myself. And I am prioritizing incorporating a lot more fun in my life because my reaction to the fun and the joy and the childlike wonder of the process was eye opening. I was, like, thirsty, and it was a big drink of
water. And I was like, I need to hydrate more on a regular basis. And you didn't even know you were thirsty in the first place? I had no idea. It's funny that you have an experience of something. It's so powerful. And as you look back, you realize you didn't even know you needed the thing you got. I think particularly play and fun are things that so many of us need, but we're taught in subtle and overt ways throughout our lives.
That those are not the things that we should be prioritizing, that that's not what matters to a successful adult life. And the process reawakened the part of me that was like, no. No. This is critical. This is as critical as eating nutrient dense food and being productive and paying your bills. Like, awakening this childlike sense of wonder and play is a core part of your
humanity, and you need to prioritize it. And if you're connected to the core part of your humanity, you have more energy, more vitality to show up in your life personally, professionally. A 100%. And also also, like, why are we here? I do sometimes find myself doing this because I share so many personal growth tips. I share so many wellness tips. I'm like, oh, you can, like, fix this. Here's a science backed solution for this. And then you can be more productive, and then you can be more
successful. And it's also like, but then you can just enjoy your day more because you're never going to get to have this day again. Yeah. That's pretty I'm pausing because it's like, it's a radical idea to do something, not just because it makes you more successful, productive, etcetera, but that you're just a happier being as a result of it. It's really the journey is the destination thinking, which I think we've all heard that. And we've been like, yeah. Yeah. The journey is the destination,
whatever. But when I get this, when I get this partner, when I get this job, when I get this promotion, I will be happy. And I've been lucky enough to have so many of those experiences in my life and realize that's not the thing that makes me happy or it does, but just for this fleeting fleeting second. So I think I came into Hoffman saying, well, if it's not any of these things, what is the thing that makes me happy? And a huge part of the unlock of that is it's the
moments that make up your life. Those are the moments. Those are the opportunities we have to fight for and play for and have deep connections for the the joy that is available. Fantastic, Liz. What's it like to have these people follow you and listen to you? And you're doing all this work to bring insights and science backed tips. And it's a it's an important position you're in helping people show up to their lives. Isn't it? I feel really lucky that I get to do
it. I mean, it feels like a fit for me in terms of a job just because I feel like my curiosity has always been my superpower. And the fact that I have a job where I get to follow that curiosity to the benefit of people is really just a joy and feels
unbelievable to me to this day. But, yeah, it just it feels like huge honor when people come up to me or send me messages about things they've learned from me that have changed how they think or how they interact with their partner or their kids or their friends, and they've noticed a difference from that. It feels really special, and I feel really honored to get to play a teeny tiny role in their lives. And what do you think people are needing
now? What are you hearing with your ear to the ground as you engage in this conversation with your listeners? What do you notice? Is and is it changing? Have you are you hearing different things now than you did a few years ago? Oh, that's a great question. I think connection, which we've touched on, but I do think people are needing connection more than they ever have before. I think people are needing joy. I think people are needing time.
I think a lot of people just feel really burnt out and, like, the demands placed on their time are untenable. The dreams they were promised aren't available to them. We just did an episode about the millennial midlife crisis, and it was really interesting to explore.
There's a lot of people who are feeling let down by the fact that they were told their whole lives, if you get this job, you can have the home, you can have the partner, you can have all these things, and they're they're not able to get the things they feel they were promised, and they're having to reevaluate what a good life looks like in light of that. Let down by society on some level. Let down by the possibilities
of the moment, I think. And, yeah, what's what's available versus what was available in previous generations. I think those tricky and, obviously, every generation has their own struggle, but there is a real sense right now of, oh, I did everything right. And yet I still feel awful every day, yet I still can't make my life have the shape and the feeling and the energy that I would like it to. Liz, you just mentioned the millennial midlife crisis. I'm curious as a fellow host.
Do you have a podcast? Do you have an episode you look back on and you're like, man, that was a good one. I like that was fun. That conversation is we were rolling there as you look back. So I love that one. That's that's with doctor Lauren Cook, and she is a psychologist that specializes in generational differences with mental health. And so we talk about the millennial menlife crisis and what we can do about the unique problems that people are facing these days. I have so many. I I I love
so many of these conversations. I did one with doctor James Doty recently about the he's a neuroscientist from Stanford, and he shares the neuroscience behind manifestation and how we actually can use our brains to shift our lives in these very concrete ways. And I love that one because it took something that sometimes people conceptually are a little bit, like, is that real? I don't know. That feels a little fishy to me. And he grounded it in this really deep
physical understanding of how our brains work. And back to the manifestation thing, knowing what you want is so important for getting what you want. And so I think that an incredibly valuable skill that we sometimes don't talk about enough is really getting clarity about well, okay. Stuff doesn't feel good in your life right now. What does a good morning feel like? What does a great relationship feel like? And not just, oh, well, you know, he's 63. He has a great job. It pays this
much money. No. Like, what does it feel like when you wake up in bed next to a partner that is your dream partner? What does your Saturday feel like? And being able to verbalize, vocalize, put pen to paper, and these things is so important for actually being able to pursue those goals, whether it's with your friendships, your relationships, your personal health, how you wanna feel every day, your work, all of the above. Clarity. The importance of clarity.
A 100%. And there's so many parts of Hoffman, I think, that are designed to help get you that clarity, which is also incredibly helpful. Well, Liz, what's it been like to reflect on the work you do and the episodes that you've produced over the years, but also your own Hoffman process experience. What do you notice at the end of this conversation? I love connecting with you about this with anybody. It feels like getting to talk about it feels like it reignites some of those feelings that I got
to have during it. And, again, I just I just I know I I sound like a broken record, but it was just one of the most wonderful weeks of my life. In the weekend, the reintegration weekend afterward, I spent many of us hung out because we all were kind of in the same area, and so we all were meeting up and talking about things. And it just it feels like these little connections back to a really special time. And so I appreciate you creating the space to help bring me back to that a little
bit. Liz, I am so grateful for this conversation, this wonderful back and forth. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you for listening to our podcast. My name is Liza Ingrassi. I'm the CEO and president of Hoffman Institute Foundation. And I'm Razzi Ingrassi, Hoffman teacher and founder of the Hoffman Institute Foundation. Our mission is to provide people greater access to the wisdom and power of love. In themselves, in each other, and in the world.
To find out more, please go to hompaninstitute.org.