A lot of the times, you know, it just goes back to a pattern. It's a pattern. It's a reaction. It's the sky is falling, but it's not actually falling. It's our it's our bodies going into fight or flight and running from the imaginary lion, the lion's actually not there. You can shake that lion off if you wanna get through it faster. Welcome to Love's Everyday Radius, a podcast brought to you by the Hoffman Institute.
I'm your host, Sharon Moore, and I hope that you enjoy today's conversation and that the stories shared by our graduates impact, move, and inspire you. My guest today is Roanne Adams. Roanne is an entrepreneur, but what stands out to me is that she has so gracefully managed not just to evolve as a person through the years, but also to evolve her businesses and make sure they are all aligned with what she calls her multitude of purposes. She's the founder of Row and Co Branding Agency.
She's the founder of State of Feeling, which are retreats and workshops for women identifying founders. And she's the co founder of Orifay, which is a regenerative hospitality group. You can hear more about each one of these businesses, as well as her powerful and inspirational journey in this conversation. Enjoy. Roanne, welcome to the show. Thank you, Sharon. So grateful to be here. Very happy to have you. Let's start with Hoffman.
When did Hoffman come into your life and and what was going on that brought you to the process? So Hoffman came into my life in 2021. I was actually having a really challenging day business wise. I had heard some news from my then employee and partner that she was leaving the business, and I sort of went into a bit of a spiral. But at the time, you know, I I had a pretty strong spiritual practice and kind of had my tools lined up. I knew what to do to get myself through that
week. But it just so happened that I took a phone call with my financial adviser that day, you know, for finance purposes, not for anything else. And I told him that my employee slash partner was leaving the business and that I was really quite stressed about it. And he said, you know what, Roanne? I just went to this thing called the Hoffman process. I just got out of it, and I have to say, I'm a brand new man.
It was definitely shocking because, you know, up until this point, I actually had never met my financial adviser in person. This was, you know, COVID years where, you know, I was only talking to him over Zoom or over the phone. And to have him say that, you know, he essentially went to this process, it was the most heart opening experience he had ever had, and he finally knew what self love was,
was really just incredible to hear. And, again, being someone who had a spiritual practice, you know, I meditate, I do breath work, but I was in this moment where I really needed something in addition to that. It was great to hear that he felt like a brand new person. And I was, you know, sort of seeking that feeling. I didn't wanna go back into a state of stress and fear and rumination. I wanted to, you know, get to a place of clearing the decks
faster than I had in the past. So I looked at the website and just decided that day that I'd signed myself up. And my 40th birthday was also on the horizon, so I decided this is my gift to myself for my 40th birthday. This is something that I know will be impactful no matter what. And it felt really good to just sign up and get on that wait list, and I joined the process. I wanna say it was March 2021. And, yeah, it was incredible and life changing to say the least. Let me zoom back in.
First of all, I love a financial adviser who had a heart opening experience and those self love. Where are my financial advisers that have that have that? I love it. And second of all, I I wanna zoom back into this moment where your partner, who had just recently become a partner, tells you this. What was actually coming up for you? Because you said it was a very hard day. Why? You know, she was someone who had worked for me for about 5 years. She was an incredible
right hand woman. She handled so much. You know, I had transitioned my life from living and owning a business in New York City to Los Angeles where I was the only remote employee. All of my team was in New York, and I had hired her with the intention that she would oversee the team on the ground in New York and be my eyes and ears and manage the team. I went through the feelings, all the feelings, the the feelings of abandonment, the feelings of fear. I can't do it on my own again.
And feeling like, do I wanna actually do it on my own again? Do I have the energy to keep going on my own and, manage a staff in New York City and continue to service clients in the way that, you know, we had been servicing clients? She was such a strong employee and so great at all of the above. It was hard to see a world in which it could work again without her. I had the reaction that I would typically have, which is a stress and overwhelm reaction.
But, you know, I I think that I was also at a play place in my life where I knew how to handle it, and it and I knew that going inwards and doing the self work would be the solution because I had gotten to that place, you know,
time and time again before. So that's really where where the magic of virtual work or, you know, the Hoffman practices come into play whenever I'm in a place of stress or ambiguity and don't know how to make a decision or have to make a very hard decision, I think going into those practices has always been incredibly helpful. So a lot of the times, you know, it just goes back to a pattern. It's a pattern. It's a reaction. It's the sky is falling, but it's not
actually falling. It's our it's our bodies going into fight or flight and running from the imaginary lion. The lion's actually not there. You can shake that lion off if you wanna get through it faster. And so you were saying that you too wanted to kind of feel like a brand new person and go back to kind of recalibrating after this news had been shared with you quicker than the times before. Did that end up happening for you? Yes.
And when I talk about the times before, I'm I'm talking about a very specific time that actually happened before I hired this employee on. I had gone through a pretty massive time of burnout for me, at least. You know, it's all relative, but, you know, I had been running my business for a decade. I gave birth to my daughter. She came 5 weeks early. That was challenging. Then 1 year into her life, she was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes.
And the 3 subsequent years were spent trying to manage her blood sugar, not sleeping, not taking care of myself, and running a business through all that. So I know what burnout looked like from that experience, and I know what stress and overwhelm and kind of not taking care of myself looked like. It took me several years of going through that burnout phase to then realize self care is the only way to get through it, at least for me.
It's not continuing down the path of feeling like a victim or continuing down the path of overwhelm and stress. It is doing the the work. And so taking myself to Hoffman was like a light at the end of that sort of second tunnel. And I just couldn't wait because I knew that it was gonna be uplifting and enlightening and heart opening and all the things. I knew it was gonna be like pressing a reset button, essentially. And it was. And so how did things unfold? Or are you all still in touch today?
Yeah. She's actually someone that I feel I have a really good relationship with. I've been able to be in touch with her over the years. I'm proud of the way that the 2 of us handled the end of that relationship or working relationship, and the door is still open. I would be delighted to work with her again. And, you know, I just recently saw her in
New York, and it was wonderful. And being aware of your patterns, where your side of the equation comes in has been invaluable with any relationship, you know, not just an employee that I might have tension with, but, like, my friends. I actually now have a set of tools that I can show up and actually say, this is this is me. This is my patterns that are showing up. This is about me and how I'm reacting. And maybe that will help you too see how how you're navigating the world.
And I'm grateful that I got through that time. I had Hoffman to get me through that time and that my relationship with her is still preserved. The fact that the relationship is still preserved and so connected as it is is a testament to exactly what you're saying, the work that you did on yourself, and the way you were able to show up in a time that was really scary for
you. Let me ask you, I don't know if this is a kind of tactical question, but I think this idea of self care is is the only way to get out of it. It makes so much sense. And then those of us who are parents or business owners or just caregivers of any kind or just people pleasers, it becomes so challenging. So I'm curious how that plays out in your life. How do you make the time for self care? What actually happened tactically in your life to allow for that? Well, I think that we can
always come up with excuses. We can always say that we're too busy or we have to take care of others first, but you can always find 5 minutes in the day to meditate or do a quad check. I strongly believe that that makes the world a better place if everyone just took 5 minutes for themselves to reground and breathe. Coming out of Hoffman, I realized that I truly wanted to make the spiritual practice, energetic work, the sort of self reflective, self inquiry work, a part of my career.
I knew going in that it was where I wanted to shift to. I just couldn't make sense of how to do it. And so coming out of Hoffman, it all clicked into place and started to make sense. So for me, I was able to show up to my team, my agency of designers and art directors and strategists and say, listen. I want us to meditate together. You know, if we just do it once a month, at least that will feel good for me because I'm bringing it to you, and I hope that that helps your practice
kick off. So we started to do that. And then, you know, I started to develop a curriculum for other women founders, Creating a curriculum that's based on all the learnings that I had over that decade of yoga is good for me, meditation is good for me, self inquiry, you know, writing in a journal, doing some kind of practices every day has been really good for me and has gotten me back to a feeling of centeredness and my power and creativity.
So in creating that curriculum, I was selfishly saying, I wanna do this for myself and for my career in some way, shape, or form. It might not be my full time career right out of the gates, but it'll be that I'll take these, you know, 20 women on a retreat. And I'll take them to the curriculum, and I'll facilitate these workshops for them so that I can also be in the work with them, so that I can also be a part of the healing process with them.
Since the Hoffman process, I've now, hosted 2 retreats, which are about a week long for women founders. 1 was in Mexico. The other one was in Sea Ranch, California. And I've also done day retreats at my home in LA where I, you know, again, put together sort of like a day long curriculum that involves yoga and breath work and somatic practices as well as sort of writing in your in your workbook, almost the way that you write
in your workbook at Hoffman. So Hoffman really opened my eyes to how can I be a part of the healing process for others as well as myself? And how can I hold myself accountable? Well, it is actually involving others in the process with me. So you mentioned going back to my team, my agency. So let's let's go there. So you've got the curriculum, the agency. Can you tell us a
little bit about what you do? Because I'm getting and tell me if I'm not right, but I'm getting that because you're so passionate and so kind of lead with your values. Your business is not this kind of isolated entity. It feels like it's very much integrated
into your identity and who you are. So tell us a little bit more about the business you came back to, the one that you had for a decade at that point, I don't know how long it's been now, and this newfound love of working with, women founders and all that they go through. Yeah. So my agency is called Row and Co. I am the Row, and the company collaborators are the co. And I started the agency 18 years ago back when I was 25 years old. I'm now 43.
So, you know, when I started the business, it really was very much grounded in being a reflection of my creativity, the businesses that I wanted to be working with at the time, which were all New York City based businesses, you know, fashion brands, beauty brands, cultural arts organizations. And, you know, it grew up over the years. It became an agency that was larger than I ever
expected. You know, we were we've been and have been servicing businesses across spectrum from tech, Google is one of our biggest clients, to Estee Lauder brands, beauty brands, to startups, you know, founders who are just getting their their feet wet and starting their own business. And, you know, we work with a lot of women owned businesses, which is why I felt drawn to taking women founders on retreats because not only am I one, I also relate to the ones that I work with day in and day
out. And so, yeah, I think moving through the years, you know, as a founder, businesses are often a reflection of where you're at. And sometimes the business itself moves slower than the pace at which you are growing and evolving to. And so I think I've had to recalibrate over the years. There's been sort of that 10 year mark where I realized I'm burnt out. I'm tired of everything. I don't wanna
do it this way anymore. And I recalibrated it by moving to Los Angeles and hiring someone new into the sort of managing director role who could really run the business in a new way with me. Breathing new life into it has been, like, the the answer for me over the years. So then going to Hopman Process was another pivotal moment milestone where I could come back to my team and say, actually, we've been doing a few things in a way that I don't actually like
anymore. It doesn't work for me. It doesn't align with my purpose or my passions. And and for me to keep going, because this is a marathon, this is not a sprint, I need to start shifting the way that we work. That might take small incremental shifts. It means, you know, yeah, meditating together as a team. It means helping me formulate this other project, which is creating a, you know, workshop and curriculum for women founders. It's thinking about
the clients that we're working with. It really wanted, at that time, to evaluate what clients really feel meaningful and are doing responsible things, and what are the clients that don't feel meaningful and are are not doing responsible things. And, you know, when I talk about responsibility, I talk about both social responsibility as well as environmental responsibility. We've been so lucky to have so many incredible clients who are already
socially and environmentally responsible. But then on the other hand, we have clients who are not. And so I had to come up with sort of, like, almost a new principles of alignment. Where can we make decisions on who we should be working with and who we should be working with? And if there's a client that comes through the door that doesn't feel right, what can we do to either respectfully decline or come up with some kind of principles that we would like them to start adhering to?
You know, there's that education process that can come along with being a brand strategist or a brand identity business, we are in the process of helping you understand what your core values are and how you would like those reflected back to the world. So we're in a position of having to also be stewards
and educate those clients. So it felt really amazing to get very clear that we get Hoffman where my values lie and that I had grown so much over the past decade and that those values weren't being reflected in my business at that moment. Well, I also think as a business owner who is very passionate like you, and you said it beautifully that sometimes our businesses evolve slower than the pace that we as business owners or individuals evolve. And I love this moment of clarity is what
you got from Hoffman. Now we have to figure, okay. Who do we wanna work with? What do we wanna steward? What are our values? What are the clients? I'm curious if you could share maybe a challenge that you overcame because this sounds beautiful. Hey, I'm gonna change my business, and I'm only gonna work with x y z type of organizations, but that must mean that you may have been in a moment where you said no to a lot of money. What was the impact? Can you share one of those moments with us?
Yes. And it certainly happened just like you said. Make a declarative statement like that, and then we pass up a piece of new business. And then all of a sudden, the reality hits in the p and l, and we have to take a really close look at, was that worth the hit? Is it worth having the sort of optimism and hope that we can work with businesses that are truly aligned with our values? Or is it, when you think about Maslow's hierarchy of needs, we need the money
to have the mission. You know? We need that margin to have the mission. So it has been certainly a winding road. It's been a rocky road. I have learned a lot through that process that maybe we are at a point in time where we have to kind of hold both realities. You know, we have to possibly work with some brands that might not feel good and but help them with the education process of how it could feel better, and then simultaneously really support those businesses and brands that are doing good.
So we've done it all. We've gone through it all. We've experienced every which way a winding road, and it's and it's it's not easy. And I really do I really do admire brands that are able to really stick to their values. But I've also realized that a lot of those businesses are much bigger and they have deeper pockets or they have investors or they have a philanthropist behind them or they are independently wealthy founders who can just keep going. And that's not the situation that I'm in.
I built this business organically with my own money, and every step of the way has been a risk, and every step of the way has been a huge learning experience too. And I do think it's okay to as a business owner, one of the values is financial stability, financial health. It's not the most passionate for a lot of people. I understand that. But for the business owner, that's gotta be one of the values. Right?
And I also wanna call out that you mentioned something that I find particularly interesting, which is both realities. There is a nuance to this, and I think what you're pointing to is holding both realities is a must if we want to move forward with this. I thought that was very powerful. Thank you for putting it in that way.
Okay. I wanna go back to this beautiful curriculum that seems to have been born post Hoffman, and you're clearly a person who goes into action or your, you know, your visions aren't just visions and there are some that make it turn into reality. So the fact that you've had this curriculum that works with women founders and you've already facilitated 2 retreats and, in addition to that, some day retreats, can you tell us more about that? Is it just women founders? Is it women founders
who are burnt out? Is it women founders who are evolving in, you know, who they are and feel a little different than what their business is because of that? Tell us a little more about this. Yeah. It's all of the above. So it's it's women identifying founders. I wanna be clear on that. And it is women who are at all stages of their business ownership as well. Some of them are just starting their businesses and want to be in a group of other business founders for support.
Some of them have been running businesses for 10, 15 years like myself and are at these pivotal moments where they feel like their business and their their business purpose and their personal purpose are misaligned. And so that's sort of the cornerstone of the curriculum. That's where I started it was, how can we get people to feel aligned with their purpose first? You know, it's a
process of discovering purpose. And when I say purpose, I don't want it to sound like we have one singular purpose on this planet because I don't believe that. I think that actually waking up every day, we have multipurpose. We are we contain multitudes and but when it comes to a business, I think it's aligning those multitudes of your personal purpose with the multitudes of your business purpose and making sure that you feel good about it.
Because I came to a place where I didn't feel good about it anymore. Through that, so, you know, the beginning of the the week of a retreat, for example, we are airing out our challenges, sort of the way that you air out your bad patterns at Hoffman. Airing out what is challenging at your business. Is it managing employees? Is it writing proposals and invoices? Is it what what aspects of it essentially throw you into fight or flight? You know?
And and maybe it is the the makeup of your group is throwing you into maybe there's a toxicity on your team or maybe it's that you have fear of taking risks. Whatever that thing is, that's sort of what we air out at the beginning and and and people start to realize, oh god, there's a trend here. There's a pattern. Year after year, this is I've hit this wall over and over and over again. And then we move into what is your why and why is it meaningful for you to
do what you're doing? Why is it meaningful for your business to exist? What would the world be missing if you and your business did not exist? And then I think the founders start to come into their power. They start to realize, oh my god. I'm actually creating something or have created something very meaningful. I've given back to people in this way. I have, you know, helped my customers in this way or my clients in this way.
And then they start to feel, like, a little bit buoyed up from that feeling of, oh, god. This was really challenging. I just reared out all my challenges. They start to feel a little bit better. And then from there, we start to really think about the sort of concentric circles or the ripple effect of good that you want to put into the world. So when you start to align your purpose, you start to realize, okay. If I do this, this, and this, it will have this effect on my life,
my personal life, my family life. And then if I do this and this, it will have this effect on my team. And then it will have this effect on my community or customers or clients. And then we talk about sort of the legacy you wanna leave behind, like that greater world impact. And then they can really see top to bottom what's meaningful to them. And from that stage, and this is also over the course of 4 to 5 days, so we're also integrating through yoga, meditation, visualizations.
We're doing sound baths. We're doing tea ceremonies. Things that will help you start to kind of crack open and look look really deeply inside yourself and look back at what it was that happened in your childhood that is causing you to feel this way in your business. And then by the end of the week, my favorite part of the week is, you know, that last day, I take the the founders through a future visualization where they get to see
they get to envision their lifestyle. They get to envision their business in the future, and this is like 5 years out. And that's where the magic starts to happen. It's where that sub subconscious brain starts to kick in and come up with a beautiful new reality for them. And that's when they start coming out of their shells and really coming into their essence and feeling really empowered and creative and excited.
So, you know, just like the Hoffman process, seeing that arc of the week has been one of the greatest gifts that Hoffman has given me, showing me that you can take people who are tired, disgruntled, anxious, and bring them to a state by the end of the week that is back to their core selves, their core essence, their childlike selves, essentially. And doing that through the lens of being business founders. I think it's, you know, it's
niche. It's very specific, but it's a small giveback that I can give to the world that feels good to me. What has surprised you in this role of facilitator with this group of people? I mean, what surprised me is is that their feedback, that they appreciate it, that they want to come back to retreats or to day retreats, that they say it's worked for them. You know, we did a day retreat at my house 2 weeks ago, and this is pre election,
and it was about processing change. It was about everybody's going through some some kind of change, whether it's a massive change like you're going through a divorce or you're changing your business or you're closing something down, starting something new. You also have a layer of the election happening and this precipice of change happening.
And the feedback that I got after that day of processing change altogether and really looking at each other's identities and these layers of titles and sort of letting go of all that, the women founders' responses were like, I really needed that. Didn't know I needed that. Had no idea what we were getting ourselves into, but that was incredible. Would love to come back to any future events that you have in just, you know, that I I didn't know before I started all of this that I
would elicit that. I would be able to elicit that kind of response. I mean, they are doing their own work. I know that. It's not me healing them. I have no delusion about that. They are healing themselves. Right. But you're creating the space for that to happen. Like you said, crack open. Right? So you're doing all kinds of different things that are so subtle and in the background, but they set up the scene, the safety, the comfort for them to crack open and go to deep places.
Yeah. And it's uncomfortable for a lot of people who haven't done any of this kind of work. You know? I for me, it's like, I wanna crack open every day if I could. But most Hoffman graduates would say the same thing. They wish they can just be back in the room together, you know, cracking open together. But for someone who's never done that work before, it's scary. It's vulnerable. It feels weird. You know? It takes time to process that.
And as founders or people who find ourselves often in the role of leader or decision maker, it's probably even harder to access that. You probably need to crack even harder to get to that real core place. Yeah. I think that a lot of people who are decision makers and leaders are most likely really good at holding their emotions in. And I think I was really good at it
for the 1st decade. And then when I got burnt out and was trying to hide it, I realized that by trying to hide it, I was creating even bigger monster. And the second that I was ready and willing to share with everybody on my team, I'm going through a really hard time, and I cannot sustain this on my own anymore, was the second I felt a humongous release that we can all hold this together. But we're not alone, you know, as leaders.
We're never alone, but we sometimes feel very alone because we have to make decisions on our own often. And our decisions, we make them alone or with consultants, meaning people who help us along the way. But either way, that decision that we, as the person who's responsible, make impact people on our teams. These decisions have impacts. Something that we hold as the founders are the leaders.
Is there any part of you that always knew you would hold this role of facilitating retreats or changing lives in this way? Or is this a surprise place you've landed? When I when I started my spiritual journey a decade ago, I felt drawn to helping others pretty immediately. Once I, you know, got back into my power, back into my feeling good again, I had that feeling of, how can I
do this for other people? How can I help other people without evangelizing or without all of a sudden dropping out of my life and my business and going to sit at, you know, an ashram and meditate all day? How can I help others? And so, you know, prior to that, I never would have expected that I would be in this position at all. I had no plans. I didn't even consider myself, you know, a spiritual person or I didn't consider myself someone who had any healing qualities. It didn't felt like I never
felt like I had to be healed. I lived a rather great life up until that point. So it's definitely come as a surprise to me, but, yeah, I think that after that moment of burnout, I kind of was seeking, can I help others? I went and I took Reiki healing classes, and I realized, nope. Not a Reiki healer. Not gonna do that. You know, I love Reiki. I wish I could do that and enjoy doing that, but that's not me. I have to use my voice.
I have to use my community. I have to use my presence in a way that probably is more reflective of being an agency owner. You mentioned the quadrinity check. Quadrinity to me, when we do that, the end result is integration. The end result is our whole selves being integrated, having voice, having a seat at the table, so to speak. With you today being a person who is a mother,
has it sounds like 2 businesses. Right? Branding business, the one that you started when you were 25 and has evolved with you, and then now the new one, which is the retreats and the workshops for women founders. Does this feel like a moment of integration for you? It does. I I mean, I think it's I'm on a bridge. That's sort of the metaphor I've been using for the past few years is it's been a long road to getting to this place where I feel I've been wanting to get to.
I've been on this bridge walking over this bridge for quite some time. It's sometimes I'm clawing my way over the bridge, but I'm much closer to the other side of the bridge than I was 3 years ago, which feels really good. And, you know, not only is it 2 businesses, it's actually 3. I'm starting a regenerative hospitality group with my husband. We're raising money to open our first regenerative hotel project in Todos Santos, Mexico.
And the whole reason why I'm starting that project with my husband is in 2020, so this was a year prior to my Hoffman experience, I was in a hypno journey on a Zoom group. I had a practitioner that I found that led us through hypno journeys, and they're essentially visualizations. She gets you into this theta state where your subconscious really starts to take over. And she was essentially taking me through a future visualization.
She asked me to wake up in my room in the future, and that room happened to be in Mexico. And I looked outside my window, and I saw a group of people below me participating in what has now become the retreat setting. Women sitting around in a group, doing the work together. That was really that starting point of integration of, like, wait. I've been wanting to be in the healing or the wellness world in some capacity, and now I'm seeing the future. How do I get there?
Oh, I need to go to this thing called the Hoffman process. I have a feeling that I'm gonna see at the Hoffman process what I need to be doing as well. Like, I need to go and I need to almost, like, study these teachers and see what they're doing and then create my own version of it for this future vision, this retreat like setting. And so after Hoffman, I was kind of like, okay. Now I need to find the property. I need to go find a space where I can take these people. I need to go to
Mexico with my husband. We need to go scout locations, essentially. It just so happens that my husband is also in real estate. He loves this kind of stuff. We've been together for practically our entire entire lives. We've been together since high school. We always have talked about having a hotel or a retreat like property. He's been in the past 10 years working on single family homes, but it's always been his dream to work on a hotel project.
So when your subconscious mind tells you this is what you're doing, you believe it. And it sometimes is it's just more powerful than your intellectual mind. You know, I could have said to my husband, I wanna open a hotel someday. I wanna open a hotel. But it wasn't until that hypno journey when I saw I woke up in that room. I looked outside. I saw people below me in in ceremony or whatever they were doing together. It felt like yoga was happening below me or
breath work was happening below me. I didn't know exactly what it was, but my subconscious mind showed me that, and then I believed it wholeheartedly. I was like, that's it. That's what I'm doing. That's been the journey ever since then. And it's incredible to have that image in my mind, and it was incredible to go to Hoffman and be taken through very similar visualizations and have images come to me.
And those images can sometimes be, again, more powerful than what the intellectual mind can come up with. You know, you can write down your goals for the year. But if your your subconscious mind shows you what your end goal is, you get there faster. I think the fact that your subconscious mind said it to you and that you believed it, I think your ability to believe it is a result of all the, what you call, the inward work. Right? The self care,
the look inward, the doing work. Doing that allows the kind of clear channel and the ability to see the vision, not know exactly what's happening down, but, I don't know what's happening, but it's a group of women. They're doing something like like you said. It was a sense, yoga, breath work, something. You were able to believe it because of the work you had done on yourself. That to me is powerful.
And as a result, here you are doing these beautiful things that, you know, like you said, we've got these multitude of purposes. It seems to me like this is, at least in this very moment in time, is an alignment of all the both business and personal multitude of purposes.
Really beautiful story and share about allowing yourself to evolve, doing the work that is required to truly evolve, and acknowledging and naming what does that mean when you are in a position of business owner or leader of any kind and evolving. So I really appreciate you sharing that. No. I really appreciate this conversation, and this is also a dream come true of mine to even be on this podcast.
After attending Hoffman, I was like, maybe someday when I'm in my sixties, when I decide to retire seventies, maybe I can become a Hoffman teacher someday. That's a life goal. And the idea of being on this podcast is like, maybe I could be on that podcast someday. Well, not surprising it happened. Based on what I know about you now, I'm not surprised that that happened. There were a lot of different businesses mentioned. Links to things like that will be in the show notes.
Thank you again, Roanne, for sharing. So, honestly, thank you. Thank you, Sharon. It's been an absolute pleasure, and I'm just so grateful for the Hoffman community. It's been a huge support and guiding light for me. I'm gonna send a little WhatsApp note to my Huffman crew right now and let them know that this has made my day. Thank you for listening to our podcast. My name is Liza Ingrassi. I'm the CEO and president of Hoffman Institute Foundation.
And I'm Razzi Grassi, Hoffman teacher and founder of the Hoffman Institute Foundation. Our mission is to provide people greater access to the wisdom and power of love. In themselves, in each other and in the world. To find out more, please go to hoffmaninstitute.org.