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S8e4: Kevin Rempel – A Second Chance at Life

Mar 07, 202437 minSeason 8Ep. 4
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Kevin Rempel, 2014 Paralympic bronze medalist in sledge hockey, is today's guest. Listen in as Kevin shares his incredible life story and the wisdom he's gained. Kevin was paralyzed in a Motocross accident when he was 23. He was never supposed to walk again, but, as he says, he made it to his feet to walk again with a little bit of luck and a lot of hard work. Four years earlier, his father, was paralyzed in a hunting accident. His father severed his spinal cord, making it impossible for him to walk again. Kevin thought that he and his father would draw closer together after his accident; instead, it drove them further apart. Kevin came to understand that what was happening was a negative love relationship with his father. This discovery prompted him to attend and complete the Hoffman Process. Driven to be different from his father, Kevin worked hard in his drive to walk again. It ultimately took him four years to fully stand and walk on his own, day in and day out. You'll hear a lot of love, understanding, and wisdom in Kevin's story about his father. He shares how his attitude toward and understanding of his father changed after the Process. Kevin's transformation comes from seeing that his father was a good Dad, yet he had patterns. It is a testament to Bob Hoffman's words, "Everyone is guilty, no one is to blame." Kevin realized his second chance at life wasn't from learning to walk again. Instead, his second chance came when he learned to love himself and live as someone who truly loves himself. Discover more about Kevin Rempel: Kevin Rempel is a 2014 Paralympic bronze medalist in sledge hockey. After being paralyzed at the age of 23, Kevin not only learned how to walk again, but overcame the mental battle of both depression and living with a disability to rebuild his life, and eventually reach the Paralympic podium in sledge hockey. Kevin is an expert in change management, mental health, and resilience, delivering his inspirational message about adopting The Hero Mindset, where you focus on small things that make a big difference to help you too, become a hero in your own story. Kevin is the author of, Still Standing: When You Have Every Reason To Give Up, Keep Going. In addition to corporate presentations, Kevin is also a business coach for athletes and leaders using strategies from The Hero Mindset Blueprint to help build confidence, adopt healthy and predictable patterns, and accept radical responsibility in cultivating a confident and empowered mindset to drive results and embrace change.  Discover more about Kevin here. Follow Kevin on Instagram, Facebook, and LinkedIn. As mentioned in this episode: David Neagle, Business Coach Motocross Negative Love Relationship with Parents: Described in A Path to Personal Freedom and Love. Download PDF. Kevin's Valentine's Day post on Instagram. Kevin shares his full-sleeve tattoo on Instagram, which contains themes from his Process. Kevin's experience at the Hoffman Process: https://kevinrempel.com/blog/the-hoffman-process-seven-days-to-change-a-lifetime/

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- Learning to walk again after being paralyzed is a second chance at life. I feel like having learned to finally love myself through the process, I now have a second chance at life. Like I don't even think about walking as a second chance at life like it was at the time. I feel like I just spent 40 years living one way and I'm gonna spend the next 40 plus years of my life living my life in a completely different way.

- Welcome to Love's Everyday Radius, a podcast brought to you by the Hoffman Institute. I'm your host Sharon Moore and I hope that you enjoy today's conversation and that the stories shared by our graduates impact move and inspire you. Please be aware that this episode references suicide. If you or someone you know is suicidal, please reach out to the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 802 7 3 talk 8 2 5 5 or message the crisis text line at 7 4 1 7 4 1.

My guest today is Kevin Rempel, a man who became an incomplete paraplegic from a motorcycling accident at age 23. At the time he was told he would likely never walk again. Now to provide a little more context, his father became a complete paraplegic just four years prior to that. Kevin, however, was determined and his resilience spirit led him through an incredible healing where not only was he able to walk again, but he became a paralympic bronze medalist in Sledge Hockey.

Today he's a keynote speaker, a workshop facilitator, a coach, an author and an incredibly bright spirit who is devoted to teaching others who he calls the hero mindset. Kevin is also a graduate of the Hoffman process and is incredibly passionate about the impact the process has had on him. Spoiler alert, he has a tattoo sleeve devoted to his experience in the process. Let's hear from Kevin. Kevin, welcome to the show. - Sharon Morgan. That was a great time together. I can't wait.

- Oh, I love that. Um, okay, so listen, the way I like to start this is just kind of give context and I think it's a nice thing to hear of, Hey, what was happening in your life that brought you to the process? Did somebody tell you about it? Was there something going on that you just hit a place where I need to go take this Hoffman process? - Absolutely. There was stuff going on. The shortest way to describe it is that I was working with a business coach, his name is David Nagle.

David and I started working together early into the pandemic. So this is like August, 2020. From that time forward, over the course of the next one to two years, he kept talking about his program called Core Wound. And whenever I would hear David talk about a core wound and how that affects us in life, I always, it resonated with me. It's like I always felt like there was a thing that was screwing up my life but I couldn't identify what it was.

I ended up signing up for David's VIP Core Wound coaching Day. I was sitting there with David talking about my life and events that had happened. So for everyone that's listening here, I was paralyzed in a motocross accident when I was 23 years old. I was never supposed to walk again, broke my back pelvis, ribs, but fortunately only fractured, dislocated my vertebrae with a little bit of luck, a lot of hard work. Got back on my feet walking again. The kicker.

However, my dad was also paralyzed four years before I was in a hunting accident and he severed a spinal cord, never having the chance to recover. I was in the VIP coaching day with David Nagle talking to David about my life and at a period of time after my accident I moved back home. So for about seven months I was living with dad again because our house was already wheelchair accessible.

I thought me and my dad both being paralyzed at the same time in wheelchairs together in the same house, but bringing us closer together, it actually drove us apart. There was this moment I was sitting at the kitchen table with dad, he's in his wheelchair, I'm in my wheelchair, he has a spinal cord injury, I have a spinal cord injury.

We're just fighting going head to head and I'm describing this scenario to David at this VIP core wound coaching day about how even 15 or so years later, it makes me so mad. I literally was like tears pouring down my face in front of David 'cause I was so angry that my dad was saying, you don't understand. You have no idea what I'm going through. It's different. You can walk. And I'm like, are you kidding me dad?

I'm paralyzed in the fucking wheelchair across from the table from you and you don't think that I understand what you're going through, that you're pissing through a catheter just like I am, that you have nerve pain and bowel issues just like I do and I'm going off. And David finally, all of a sudden after like an hour and a half in this meeting, he just put slams his hand on the table. He is like, oh, I know what your challenge is.

I'm like, what? He goes, you have a negative love relationship with your father. And I'm like, what are you talking about? And David looks at me across this table and he goes, you were paralyzed in a wheelchair at the same time as your dad and he would still not recognize or acknowledge you in your life. And my head goes, I'm like, what in the world is happening right now? My head literally exploded in that moment. Then David says to me, he's like, have you ever heard of the Hoffman process?

And I'm like, no. And he is like, well you should look it up and you should go. We continued on with the rest of that coaching day. But uh, long story short, I got home, I looked it up and it was starting in like less than two weeks and I called and they said they were sold out and I kept calling and I kept calling. I got my way in and like three days before it began I swiped my credit card, bought a plane ticket and was on my way to the process.

- And how poignant that, here's this picture that you're painting, that he's in a wheelchair. You are in a wheelchair and he was in a wheelchair first you four years later are also in a wheelchair and still you are not seen for who you are. - Yeah, that was literally it. It was like the pattern that kept showing up in my life was short-term relationships through dating and I feel like I'd achieved all these other things in my life.

This is at the age of 39, I'm 41 now and I'm like how could I have achieved success in all these other areas? I learned to walk again. I became a Paralympian in sled hockey, earned a bronze medal of the Paralympics. I have invested into real estate, I've written a book, I've done all these amazing things. But in terms of dating, finding a girlfriend, finding a partner was this one thing that just like kept eluding me.

And for 20 years I thought my 19-year-old self that got broken up with by his first girlfriend was the thing that was the problem. And so I actually went to David because I thought I had my core wound from my 19-year-old self as the issue.

And then David and the Hoffman process blew my mind apart realizing that it was not my a 19-year-old girlfriend breaking up with me but from not being recognized or loved in the way that most of us hope for or deserve to be loved as a child is what created the patterns of I am not enough. That I kept self-sabotaging and screwing up relationships and everything else. That was the actual root of the problem. - So in a way here these patterns are fueling you to prove yourself.

So you write the book, you become the Olympic, you teach yourself to walk, you do all this stuff, then you take the process what has happened since you took the process.

- Yeah. And so like you know through the process and such, like we dove back into like the patterns, like what's the negative pattern that kept showing up And you know, not to point fingers at dad 'cause you know, one of the things that's so beautiful about the process is it teaches you like you are a product of your environment but your parents are product of their environment. And so like I, I definitely learned a lot to think in terms of my dad's shoes and how he was raised.

I think my dad has five brothers and two sisters or something. My, his mom, like my great-grandmother, I think she had like eight miscarriages. Like imagine being pregnant 13 times. You know, my dad's empathetically started to understand more. But I started going back through the memories and like as a kid, it's like when I was on a dirt bike my dad would say, you're too tall, you're not good enough. Well you started too late, you don't have enough money, you're never gonna make it.

And through hockey it's like you're not gonna make it to the NHL so why are you trying so hard? Or stuff like that. It's like those phrases that were said to me as younger of what just live with me and then resulted in me spending all my time trying to prove myself worthy enough whether it was through sports or women and other means. And that was the negative pattern that just kept showing up and like screwed up my life for so long.

Sharon, I actually haven't told you this but yesterday, so yesterday was Valentine's Day on my Instagram. If anyone wants to go look at Kevin Rempel, R-E-M-P-E-L. I just shared for the first time in my life at the age of 41, the first photo ever of me in a relationship for myself personally. It's massive. I even wrote about Hoffman process in the post. I said it's like for over two decades I was too ashamed. I was ashamed of rejection, of not being enough.

I was scared of love, I was scared that people would see a relationship, it would not work out and I get made fun of and I always hid that side of my life. I always shared everything else. So yeah, yesterday at the age of 41 I finally, I don't wanna say the words even have the courage, it's like because I finally learned to love myself going through the Hoffman process, that I know that I am enough and she is enough. I am no longer scared to let people see that side of my life.

- Yeah, I I understand what that symbolizes for you. That is a very, very important and I think there's this interesting thing when we do the process we start to understand that there is a way that we move into action that comes from what we call the left road, which is patterns or there's a way that we move into action that comes from our right road, which is our authentic self, our spiritual self.

So from the outside it might just look like you're being you, but from the inside only you know that that was something that was authentic and aligned and governed by spirit. - Yeah, the left road right road thing about oth like living your authentic self, it's crazy like life is so different. So I wrote in that post that learning to walk again after being paralyzed is a second chance at life.

But I wrote in the post, I'm like, I feel like having learned to finally love myself through the process, I now have a second chance at life. Like I don't even think about walking as a second chance at life like it was at the time. I feel like I just spent 40 years living one way and I'm gonna spend the next 40 plus years of my life living my life in a completely different way. - Wow. That is powerful.

I'm speaking to somebody who was paralyzed and taught themselves how to walk and yet you say the second chance was not about learning to walk again, it's about falling in love with yourself. - Totally, totally. It's crazy Sharon, like I think to your question and a lot, a lot of people would wanna know about what's life like afterwards. Like one of the things that I find fascinating is the amount of patience I have now.

It's not that like I had a short temper before but it's like because of that I am not enough feeling. I'll give you an example. Like in business I tried three times in the past to hire an executive assistant but I was always so impatient with like, oh you're not doing it this way. Or like they're stupid, they don't get it. Or whatever reason I now have successfully hired my executive assistant Mandy, she's amazing.

While I've been learning to work with her and especially in those early days, it's like things don't work out cool, we're gonna figure it out. She has a different style. Instead of me being like it has to be done my way, it's like well maybe her way is better.

There's all these like little nuances and that's just one example let alone like personal relationships and you know like I said dating or friendships just day-to-day interactions like I no longer feel like I live on edge and I'm always in a rush and even things like, you know I write blog articles, it's like I used to always feel this like extreme anxiety when I was writing an article that it has to get done and it has to get done faster no matter what I write, it's not gonna be good enough.

It used to take me literally 'cause I timed it three to four hours to write a one blog article and I've always leave the article feeling like it's not enough and now I can do the same thing in like 30 to 60 minutes and feel like it's fucking great because I just know that I am enough and I don't live with that. I am not enough anxiety feeling that crippled me for years. - Wow. Whew. That is relatable.

I am pretty confident many people can relate and and whatever that end deliverable is, it doesn't matter for you, it's a blog or for other people it's whatever it might be. But the bottom line is the inner dialogue, the inner turmoil is so relatable. So relatable. I'm curious, your story is so powerful and you put so much energy and attention and so much resilience. Somewhere in there you decided to focus on helping others. My understanding is you now devote a lot of energy to impacting others.

Whether it's speaking, whether it's coaching, whether it's doing team building events. It all seems to be driven by, I wanna have a positive impact on you. I want you to start to be inspired. You know like your story is now in service of other people having the mindset they need to overcome things. - I am such a huge fan of the process that I talk to people about it all the time. One of the things that I love, my entire left arm is now an entire full tattoo sleeve, not just down to my wrist.

My hand is tattooed, my fingers are tattooed and everything is a reflection of my experience at the Hoffman process. One of the ways that today helping others that is so different than what it was before. Like I do help people. Through keynote speaking I created a team building program called a sledge hockey experience to help people learn about people with disabilities and those are things that definitely filled my heart.

I think one of the biggest things that I love today is in addition to speaking and workshops, I now have the opportunity to help coach people. My framework is the hero mindset blueprint and my coaching community's called the hero tribe. I'm not there to specifically teach people about self-love, that's a component of it.

But one of the things that I love the most is now that I've healed my heart, I can take these lessons to teach others and also teach from that place of vulnerability because I'm not scared of my authenticity teaching from a place of like I still feel like I have to hold something back 'cause I'm scared of my own truth can still be powerful, but something that I'm super proud of is like I can now help other people from that place of authenticity like we described left road, right road.

And it comes through at such a deeper level for me to now say to somebody that I can finally say and truly say that I love myself. Sharon, one of the most craziest moments that I'll never forget the rest of my life I had came back from the process and it was less than probably a week later, one of the first men that I was speaking to is in his fifties. And so I described to him the whole entire experience, the first words out of his mouth, fuck I need that.

I'm like, there's gotta be so many other people that are in their forties or fifties to sixties and I know them 'cause now I talk to 'em about this and they're like, yeah, I can't say that I love myself. Like truly authentically, deeply. Like in the other moments you can say it as affirmations, but like do you, and that's something I think that's that fills my heart so much today is that I can now help other people learn to help heal their own heart.

And it's like I know that I can help people through coaching through these types of conversations. When I get the chance to talk to somebody at a deeper level and you know that you're truly with all respect, it's like hitting their heart in that soft spot. It's like when you know that they're hearing what they need to know, not what they wanna know.

It's like that's what I get super excited about today is that I have the chance to really help impact and transform someone's life through my experience and it's because of the process. - Is this a surprise to you? Like who you are today and what you've chosen to do and how devoted you are to other people's wellbeing? If we were to go back to, I don't know, the 19-year-old version of you, 19. So you're already a young adult, you haven't had your accident.

Are you a completely different person at that point than who you are today? Is this surprising who you turned out to be? - Oh yeah. When I say I'm a second chance in life, it's 'cause like I do feel like I'm a different person. I am still Kevin, but I didn't even know that life could be like this. I could not have even fathomed how life could be as it is today. It was not even remotely on my radar and that's why I feel like it's such a second chance at life.

'cause like you know, I was 19 and dad got hurt and 23 when I got hurt and then I learned to walk and I got into sledge hockey, et cetera, et cetera. But it's like those years were still the same. Like I was the same Kevin at 19, at 23, at 26, at 34, et cetera. The guy that's now gone through the process at 39, 40 and 41 is like a completely different Kevin. Wow.

- It's interesting because even thinking that of all that happened to you at 19 and then for you at 23 and then becoming a sledge hockey player, like there was still something in you that was profoundly resilient. Now granted, it may have been coming from that pattern, right, of like, oh yeah, watch me, I'm gonna prove you wrong. But there was something there that drove you. - Well you're on the money. I just was chatting with someone else today about this.

The question was like, Kevin, how are you so resilient? And I said in extreme action sports, my identity that I adopted from everyone else in the sport is that when you fall down you pick yourself back up because that's just what you do in action sports. The sport is being resilient where you're trying to pursue a trick, you keep documenting however many times you fail and then when you land that trick, you celebrate and you go on the next trick and you keep failing until you land that trick.

That's what the essence of the sport is, is just becoming your best self and being resilient definitely through the always trying to prove myself method, let's say I've achieved a lot, but again, that's why like life's so different today because not that I don't wanna still accomplish things and and prove that I'm capable, but it's like it comes from an entirely different place. You know, here's a great example and I'll never forget this.

Too many people I'm sure can relate to going to work outta the gym when you're pissed off. It is a very healthy way rather than drinking or smoking or other vices. But I remember how many times I went to go to the gym and it's almost as if you're working out and you're punishing yourself, you're running on a treadmill until you fucking vomit or you're lifting weights until like you're in so much pain that you physically cannot do it anymore.

And I remember working out in the gym multiple times with the feeling of like, yeah, I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna kill it. I'm gonna prove myself, but it's like actually putting myself through physical pain in the worst way.

Now if I wanna prove myself, I'm like, I know that I'm enough and so I can go to the gym and I know when to stop because pushing myself any further is actually gonna harm me and I don't need to prove myself through lifting weights through physical exertion that I, I'm smart enough to know when enough is enough - How in the moments I'm going back to the history of, of you teaching yourself to walk in the moments where it felt difficult or overwhelming or impossible. What kept you going?

Was it still this pattern of I'm gonna prove you wrong? - A lot of it was I didn't wanna be like my dad. A nuance of the story. My dad fell from a tree stand when we were out deer hunting and my dad, after his accident kept saying the same three things, which was the branch shouldn't have broke. It's not my fault, life's not fair.

The metaphor that I share in my presentations for corporate audiences and such are that the lesson I learned from seeing my dad go through his accident and keep saying those same three things is that you can't blame a treat. The lesson is that we need to accept personal responsibility. I would ask the audience and anyone listening, it's like, where in your life are you blaming a tree? You can blame the neighbor, you could blame the market in your industry.

You could blame the weather, you could blame the government, you could blame the pandemic, you could blame anything until you've gone to the process. Like, we can blame our parents on this way because that's how my dad was and I don't know any different and I'm not gonna change. Cool. How's that gonna work out for you in your life if all you keep doing is the same damn thing?

There were several big reasons why I wanted to become my own comeback story, action sports and that identity was one of them. But one of the biggest things is that I just didn't wanna be like my dad. And my dad was not a bad dad. I don't wanna say he, like my dad was a loving father. Like he loved to the best of his ability with his life experience and he put food on the table and he worked his butt off to make sure that we were good as a family. And I never had to like starve.

We always had a roof over our head. I'm grateful for my dad and I love my dad, but in terms of like how he behaved and the the lessons I learned, I learned more about how I didn't wanna be than what I did wanna be doing. The opposite was what drove me to become who I'm today. - How long did it take you to start walking again? It - Was around six weeks until I wiggled my first toe. I was in rehab for four months, wheelchair for 10 canes for two months.

I was walking, I was standing, walking and riding again in a year. But it was three to four years to develop the strength stamina, to be independent all day, every day living with my disability. Wow. - I mean if that isn't the biggest way to not be like your dad, like what happened? - Yeah. You know, again, like I I I think back and sometimes is I don't wanna paint a negative picture about my dad.

'cause I I know my dad was a great dad and he did everything he could and I'm sad things turned out the way he did. I forget if I even mentioned that he took his life after five years. We all have our own path and uh, one of the things that David Nagel taught me, but I remember it was also said at Hoffman is that you couldn't be the person that you are today if your parents weren't the people or the parents that they are.

I'm proud of who I am and if how my dad motivated me turned me into who I am today, then I'm also, I'm massively grateful for my dad because I'm proud of who I am. - Our parents have patterns and those patterns are passed on to us and we either react, you know, we either wanna be the opposite or we take it on, but I think part of the process, it's probably somewhere tattooed on your left arm. Yes. It's first acknowledging these patterns that we want to disconnect from and do away with.

Right. But then there is space in our heart for compassion and you've already alluded to how much you now have, uh, the ability to understand and have compassion for his journey. Yeah. You, you took on patterns and yeah, you, you had 39 years beforehand filled with patterns, but you now have the ability to discern, ah, that's the pattern. I don't need that anymore. And I have compassion for both myself and my dad and my parents and whoever else we wanna bring into the mix.

- Yeah, a hundred percent. It's that self-awareness. It removes judgment. You don't judge yourself. You don't judge other people. It's like, oh there it is. Either that's, hey, that's my pattern showing up, or hmm, that's probably one of their patterns. Like I'm going through that right now with, uh, one of my longtime best friends. We've been friends for almost 20 years. The truth is that our relationship is on the fringe right now.

I am working through it and I'm not trying to point the fingers and I'm not trying to diagnose people, but it's like there's patterns. There's patterns that show up, - Show up. What do you think is, is it one of those situations where this is an old friendship based on patterns and now you'd like to switch it from patterns to again, using left road, right road, a connection that is made from the right road, A connection that is made from authenticity?

- If I'm being just super blunt and transparent, like, like I said, I've known the guy for over 20 years knowing his upbringing. Once you become aware of your patterns, you start to become aware of other people's patterns much more. That's been my experience. I can see patterns of what's shown up in his life and I don't want to be the one to try and diagnose him or anything like that, but I'm at peace with myself. I am completely confident in who I am. I have shown up authentically.

I have taken ownership for everything I need to. I forgive myself and I forgive him. And anything that has happened in the past, there are things that he's not in my opinion, able to let go of. And so I just need to step away and allow some time and space between us for me to maintain my own boundary in terms of what I'm willing to tolerate and also allow him to go on his own journey because I'm not here to try and fix him or change him through my self-awareness that I've now developed.

I feel like I can show up differently and also know when I need to step back because yeah, I'm at peace with myself. - And so imagining this space between this longtime friend, what does that leave you feeling? - Uh, well the one thing that we have agreed upon is that uh, maybe with some time and space we'll actually come back stronger in our friendship. So I don't think that's over forever. I think right now it's the right thing.

- What I'm picking up on is that there's actually been real conversation around this. It's not just like disappearing on this friendship, it's actually talking about it and coming to an agreement. Hey, let's just give some space and both of our intention is to come back. Is this something that old Kevin wouldn't have been able to engage in this level of intimacy and conversation? - Yeah, without question. I think I'm now able to have much deeper, more meaningful, mature conversations

and I'm angry. I agree with that. Yes.

- Wow. That puts a smile on my face because I think even if somebody didn't have this huge shift, uh, like you have had post-process, you know, long-term relationships do encounter some bumpy roads and each of us change at different times and having the ability to have honest conversations and feel maybe the, oh wow, there's a lack of connection here or Oh wow, I feel real loss and grief from this friendship evolving in ways that it is or whatever it is that you're feeling, that's a big deal

to be able to sit in that. - Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you know, when you go through the process you're with multiple people that are all going through their own challenges and some people share stories, some don't. But one of the things that I've found not surprising was that when you start to live authentically, like learn to live authentically, there were a lot of people that made comments about leaving their partner to be blunt.

People that have been in marriages for years, like sometimes like 30, 40 years, but they realize that they've been living this pattern of like, well I gotta keep 'em happy. Well I better appreciate only what I've got and never expect anything more. And it's like, there's so many different examples of when you learn to live authentically, like things will change and relationships are part of that.

- Just a heads up. For those who haven't taken the process, it doesn't mean that everybody who takes the process leaves their partner, but they come back to their life with a more authentic connection to what it is they need, what it is they're feeling, and an ability to communicate and share that in a productive way. - A hundred percent. Thank you for pointing that out. 'cause I definitely wanna reiterate, you can also come back so much stronger.

Maybe you're the toxic one and all of a sudden you, you like, oh shit, I'm the problem. It's like you might become more aware and then you come back, it's like, holy cow babe. I'm like, thank you for being willing to stick through the fire with me. It's like, I would love to pour into our relationship so much more than I ever have before. Like this can be become the best thing ever. It can also go that way too.

- One other thing that's coming up for me is you talk a lot about your relationship with your dad. Tell me about your mom's role in all of this and and what were some of the things that you, I imagine there might have been some surprises that you experienced when you were in the process when it came to that. - Here's something I share.

So on the, in the other tattoo sleeve that I have on my right wrist, it says on the inside speak up and on the left side, on the inside of my wrist, it says truth. An an example of like the role of my mom.

And again, this is not pointing fingers often, but just in terms of like patterns and such, I've learned from my mom during the intake process, you're asked very in depth questionnaire and one of those questions was when there was a fight in your house, when you were a kid, how'd your dad behave? How'd your mom behave? And then what'd you behave as a result? And it was my dad's way or the highway, how my mom behaved was that she shut down and she was, she became quiet and she left the room.

What that taught me is to avoid conflict. That's the pattern that kept showing up in my dating relationships and in business, which is terrible because conflict can be very good. You just gotta learn how to talk through it. That was one of the biggest patterns that I learned to uncover.

That was something that I, in hindsight now recognize that I learned I think from my mom, just as I said about my dad, I'm equally as grateful for my mom because like without my mom being who she was, I wouldn't be who I am. My mom cares tremendously. She played a massive role in my recovery. I don't know what my life would've looked like learning to get back on my feet if I didn't have my mom's support in my corner.

She was the one that had my back to buy my dirt bike as early as my 12-year-old self all the way up to my 21-year-old self when she co-signed loan without telling my dad because we knew that my dad wouldn't co-sign a loan for a brand new dirt bike. That was the one and only that I ever had, but my mom had my back to get it. She's been a huge rock and supporter throughout, uh, everything and I'm super, super grateful for my mom.

- I think this is an interesting thing is when we do this work and we actually get real around what are the patterns we got from our parents and then work on the patterns where we go is a profound love and compassion and that's important.

I think a lot of us, you know, we become grownups and then we have the, uh, intellect led compassion where we, we try to understand it, but through this journey of really doing the work, the expressive work, the bashing, whatever it was that you had to do to get through the patterns left a profound and deep compassion and love that you were able to touch and do for both parents.

- Yeah, I think the forgiveness exercises were some of the most powerful in yeah, letting go, learning to forgive those patterns that mom and dad had that I adopted. It's like I forgive them, I forgive them that they didn't know any better.

I forgive them that, uh, you know, one of the best things, there's so many amazing things that come outta the process, but like one of the best things is like how much it teaches you empathy, that everybody's always doing the best they can with what they know. Even in the worst case scenarios, there's still something there that they're doing the best they can with what they know. Like very few, if any people are actually ill-intentioned on earth.

I think that was one of the most powerful lessons. When I say again about patience, like when I was giving the examples earlier with that awareness and newfound level of empathy for other people, that's what helps bring so much of the patience in my life today is because I'm like, damn. I'm like, I wonder what their childhood was like or I wonder what their parents were like. I wonder what it was like when they were, you know, dealing with their stuff. - That's beautiful. Yeah, of course.

I also think even just coincidentally, a couple minutes ago you told us about, uh, the relationship with the friendship where you leaned into the conflict and you talked about it and couple minutes later you share that you used to live with the pattern of avoiding conflict. Here's another example of how you no longer let that pattern take over. You actually lean in and you face the conflict.

- Yeah. Another prime example of how the process has impacted me is so this friend, we have another very close mutual friend and long story short, I kept running to this other guy. Whenever I had issues, it was to the point that it was like, this has to stop. It's like I would just like, like I'm ashamed to admit, but I've healed myself. I'm good with it, but it's like I'm embarrassed to admit how many times I called with like a problem, let's say.

And you don't wanna just be calling your friends all the time when you have problems. When I now have situations like this that I need to deal with, it's like I'm confident that I can deal with it myself. What I'm super proud of is that I no longer have to put that burden on my friend, if that makes sense. Healing myself also helps other people in so many indirect ways.

- I say this all the time and in fact what let's close with this is, is that it's actually a lot of the point of this podcast, right? Because what you'll see if you listen to the stories of the graduates is that they took the time to heal themselves. These seven days is about you. It is profoundly healing as we hear in your story, Kevin, and in other graduate stories. And then what happens is you go back out into the world and suddenly you are healing others just by being your authentic self.

Sometimes it's actually getting into the work of healing others, but you're healing others just by you being on your right road. That's the name of this podcast, loves Everyday Radius. When we love ourselves, when we are living from our authentic selves, what is the radius of our love and how much more depth and impact and positive impact does it have when we are living from our right road? - You got it. You, you just nailed it. - Well in your story is one of them.

And I also just wanna say, we will put the link to the whole story. You've got an Instagram post, I think of the whole story of the tattoo. I think we'll put the links in the show notes so people can take a look at it 'cause it'll be a really nice visual to to see as you're talking about it. That - Would be cool if you linked the tattoo sleeve and the Valentine's Day post. Those would be amazing for people to check out.

- We will do that. So folks, check out the notes for those links and probably other links because Kevin's done a lot of other things, books, talks, websites, videos. You'll be able to find all sorts of things to connect with. Kevin. Kevin, thank you so much for being here and sharing your story in such an honest and vulnerable and present way.

- Thank you Sharon. I had an absolute blast and uh, I'm honored that you and the Hoffman family asked me to share my story because it completely changed my life beyond Measure. - I, it's just amazing 'cause I look at you and I'm like, do you know who you are? Do you know what you've done? . But um, yes, what an honor to be, uh, on the journey, uh, on your journey. But really you are incredible for having done what you've done and then chosen to go out into the world and help others.

I find that incredibly inspirational. - Cool. Thanks very much Sharon. - Thank you for listening to our podcast. My name is Liza in Grassi. I'm the CEO and President of Hoffman Institute Foundation - And I'm Ra Rossi Hoffman, teacher and founder of the Hoffman Institute Foundation. - Our mission is to provide people greater access to the wisdom and power of love - In themselves, in each other, and in the world. To find out more, please go to Hoffman institute org.

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