On today's episode Elliott opens up about his hoffman journey, me his heritage and so much more. The story of his parents and their upbringing is something I could not shake for days after our discussion. He is so beautifully authentic and shares about life post process and a promise he made to himself to live life fully for all that it is. His words and his presence sparked a new energy within me. I hope you enjoy. Welcome to Loves everyday radius. A podcast brought to you by the Hoffman
Institute. My name is Liz Sever and on this podcast. We engage in conversation and learn from Hoffman Graduate We'll dive deep into their journeys of self discovery and explore how the process transformed their internal and external worlds They share how their spirit and light now burn brighter in all directions of their lives. Their loves. Everyday radius. Good morning. Hi, Elliot. Good morning, Liz. How are you? I am so excited to be able to sit down and talk to you about your story today.
Thanks, Liz. I'm just appreciative and honored and happy to share. Yay. So I always think it's nice just to introduce yourself. To the listeners a little bit about maybe what you do in the world and go from there. Absolutely. So I have So I think maybe the most exciting thing I am is I'm a dad, 2 2
great kids. I've have an 80 year old son, 4 year old daughter, Today, I work as a business coach, facilitator, I help business owners, run their businesses more fact drive growth and ideally live a better life as a result of that. And I came to that from bit a non entrepreneurial background.
Never meant to be in business definitely field biology major, but that helped grow a startup up change management business into 1 that had clients worldwide, really strong reputation that since been acquired by a major consulting firm and work with a, a couple founders of a retail startup up, health care chain, help them grow and scale their business I've worked with business leaders at global 1000
type companies, fortune 500 types of companies. But right now, my focus is working with business owners, helping them to run their business better, Hopefully, live a better life. Mh. Awesome. And tell us a little bit about where you grew up. Grew up Toledo, Ohio, you know, on the service. Look like any other kid grew up in the suburb, great pro white male, kid. But with a little bit of a different background, first generation, my parents came over the year before I was born to the United States,
thankfully. As as for a refugees. And tell us a little bit more about... That where today, where did they come from? They came from Eastern Europe, my mom came from, Russians. I think, you, for me, it was 1 of those worlds where on the outside, I might have looked like any other kid on the inside, her home was a little bit different. And so my
mom was born in Russian. The Ussr, she was born in in the late 19 thirties, her parents had actually left Poland and went looking for a better life and in, Russia, she was born in Ukraine. But at that time it was the time of Stalin, enemies of the people, really just a couple months after she was born. Her parents were step great sent to different prisons in Siberia. And she grew up in as I now understand, you know, grew up in an orphanage.
And 1 of those orphanages that, I think the kids stop crying from giving up hope, And on the other side, I literally of a barb wire fence, her mom was in prison. So she grew up never really knowing what Love was. Never really knowing what it was like to work with other people be with other people. In terms of the scale tiers, I think of how people were. She sort of grew
up at the the bottom the bottom. Periodically seeing your mother than having her mother taken away sometimes sent away to different places. Eventually, she was routed as that system works into a path, So she became a a large animal veterinarian even though she hated animals. But that was that was a backdrop of my mom, at least before she met my dad. So Okay, But we have to rewind because that was a whole lot of incredible story there. So she grew up in an orphanage
while her mother was in prison. So did they get to have contact with each other? Or what do you know of that? From what I know of that... Yes, They could periodically have contact with each other. There were times when her mother would be let out of prison. So for example, when she was 12. My mom will share stood share stories of how she spent a couple years with
her mom. Again, it's a different time, she would, you know, with her mom, find spaces inside of effectively San Hut in poor towns or villages inside of Siberia, which was effectively sort of a prison area. If they might rent a little piece of a hut, they'd be spending time together. Her mom would go to school, Her mom would interact with her, and, you know, forage or
or do basic work. But then, you know, at times my mom would share, you know, stories she was 14 when she kinda had a bad feeling she was playing with friends ran home to go see her mother and saw her mother being taken away by the police to another prison when So that was a lot of what her childhood sounded like, you know, a very poor, newspaper stuffed in shoes, you know, in the orphanage, sheet looking for colon tracks.
A tough environment, especially tough. You know, I think something no challenge experience but certainly no girl should experience. Were they ever reunited? As they got older. They were reunited. So eventually, her mother was found to no longer be an enemy of the of the people. As as well as her father, you know, they're sort of a a cleanup afterward. So she she did was able to spend time with
her mother. She did find. Her father has spent a bit of time with her father who at that point had remarried, not realizing that her mom was still alive. Eventually, she and her mom, were able to come to Poland, my dad was able to bring them out of the soviet union into Poland, and then she and her mother also came together when they came to the United States ultimately. So she was able to reunite with her mother. Once then how did your father meet her? Well, so my father's story is a little
bit of a longer story story. My father grew up in Poland. He was born in Poland, Jewish and, you know, normal everyday kid. His life changed. When Germany invaded Poland he was 13 years old. And within 5 months, his life entirely changed. So he by the end of the war survived the logic ghetto, He survived 3 concentration camps, escaping that fourth forced dash March, And by the end of the war, he lost his really entire extended family, his dad passed away while they were together in the ghetto.
His mom had been sent to auschwitz where she died, his sister miraculously survived. And so, they did reunite. She's survived Dallas had some Virgin bells in. After the war, they they reunited. They chose he sister, chose to go back to Poland. Then even though he'd never gone to school beyond the age 13 he was identified as
a high talent. And because they were the communist spear, the governments sent him to Russia to become a doctor, didn't know where Russian graduated first in his class as a surgeon came back to Poland, went into the, as was a military surgeon entered entered the civilian life. And fast forward to the 19 sixties my mom was able to go visit her original family in Poland. She didn't understand any
Polish. They couldn't speak Russian they knew of my dad, who because he went to go to Russia, had spoken to Russian, and invited my dad over to being a translator. And that's how they met. They were together for about 3 weeks, and they got married with the civilian marriage, which really was the way of getting her back out of the Soviet Union. She had to go back to Russia, and died much later, the government let her her mom out, they both came to Poland.
And, for a couple years, they had a do with happy life. Wow. So then mom and dad are now together in Poland, how do they get to America? So that was kinda 1 more round of change for for both of my parents for my dad, especially. But in 19 68, there was sort of final round. There were only a few thousand jews left in Poland, it just became clear that if if you were Jewish had to get out. They were sort
of forced out. And so in 19 6 8, they they basically had to escape they left with just a few belongings, really just enough to bribe folks on the on the journey out. Stateless, no password, no documents, refugees. And so 19 68, they left home refugees. Fortunately, we had a relatively the United States. They were able to sponsor my parents. And the year before I was born, they came to the United States, 20 dollars in their pocket.
Ed for my dad, having to start entirely over really for both of them, but for my dad, none of his medical career carried over. So in his mid forties, get a start over and build build yet another life. I am speechless, Elliot. I feel like I have a million questions of where I could take this. I'm curious then... So here he is starting over a new life. Does he pick a similar career? He wanted to. He's just a a gritty amazing resilient
person. There's an entire process for basically taking exams all over again in order just to get back a medical school. In his case, he wanted to go back and be a surgeon wasn't able to, there were sort of caps on immigrants, a number of people that could become surgeons and quickly recognize he needed to switch careers and became an an anesthesiologist. But for me, for my entire childhood, It was really, a dad who was just going
back to medical school starting entirely over. In his case, he couldn't go into private practice or things like that just couldn't take the risk. His passion had always been helping people, and he became a professor as well as working in a anesthesiologist. And so really what my... Childhood looked like was on the surface, apparently who might have been AAA physician at some level. But in practice, you know, we were growing up on goodwill. My
parents didn't have much money. You know, he was going back to medical school rebuilding a career, saving every penny they could. Because they knew there was only so long to be able to to work. My education was the huge importance to them, so they wanted to be able to do that for Me but really for me, it was growing up with the dad who... I knew tremendously loved me, who sort of the hero of the house. But who at the same time was just preoccupied.
Really early warnings, really late nights would come back, be tired, distracted, and did his absolute best to to rebuild a career as both teaching. Other physicians and from what I understand really amazing doctor. Wow. And so growing up, you're the only child. Is that right? I was. Correct. I am. We talk about in the process, sometimes about feeling states. You know, what was the mood in the household like?
Did your parents openly talk about these decades and their lives before coming to America or was it something that you didn't talk about as a family. Yeah. You know, it's such a great question or an interesting question. I think it was sort of, I think that on the 1 hand, Man, I just wanted be a normal kid. And they just wanted me to be a normal kid. And, you know, I think it's apparent. They want they wanted to shield me. And at the same time, it just was
what it was. You know some pent sort of felt, like, there was a third person in the house or fourth person in the house, you know, it was sort of which was their history and and what they went through and and their loss. And so And there were very different people in their personalities. So I think my dad's way of handling things was that they could intellectual he was a funny person, but, you know, with a a tempered sense of humor.
And it was there. So he definitely would talk about it, it was just part of life. A reluctant, but he would. On my mom's side, I think that for her, it was just way too raw, way too real. They had very different personalities, very different emotions. For her, it was almost you couldn't have too much fun. She didn't really know how to have Joy. She didn't know how to find if things got to
to bo. How to shut that down. It was almost comforting to not talk about what happened to focus on on the negative, you know, almost a fear of, you know, if if you like to go too much the other shoe might drop And so it was a very sort of, maybe skips a friend house depending on the energy of who was there, which parent was there at what time? And what meaning do you think you made of evolve of that
as a kid? You know, I think I'm still trying to figure some of that out, but I think that on the 1 hand, 1 of the biggest things, and it was interesting later where I think I I thought that I was escaping I might not have. 1 of the biggest things I think is that there might be a streak of independence. In a sense that I didn't want to be in a box. I didn't wanna be defined by anything. Maybe it was a sense that they might have been defined by not even who they were, but what box
they were put into. And so for me, you, I I would have gone through life at some points in time of maybe as Athlete, but I was gonna be a job. Maybe I was smart, but I wasn't gonna be a geek or whatever those terms were. I really didn't wanna be defined or put into a box. I really wanted to be independent I really wanted to run away from anything in the past. I sort shut all of and off because I just didn't wanted to affect me in my mind. And so there's a part of it that
showed up that way. There's a part it I think that was confusing. Do I resent my folks? Do I appreciate and enjoy love then? What reaction what spots do I have. And so there's that... And then I think there was a part for me where I never felt, like, I belonged. I never felt like I fit in. So I could put on the show on the outside, but deep down inside, I just never felt like I belong to the room. Always felt like an outsider And so that was a part of me that I carried as
well. I can only imagine how your parents felt to. Coming to the states, and your dad you said was in his forties, Did you get a sense that they just didn't feel like they belonged either? Absolutely. I think that there was a a sense that they didn't belong, and they didn't fit into any community there's no community that they could identify with They... There was no community that they could fit into because their experiences were so different. My dad was
a little bit older too. So there was no common community for for him. There's none for my mom. And so there was, I think this constant sense of needing to find a way to fit in for security, but at the same time never feeling like, like you did or they did? I'm just still so struck by that because you you know, you were then born
in Ohio, and it's, you know, you're... Like you said, this whole time in an in an environment around you at school that that's relatively normal, but to know that there is this legacy, this history, just a year prior to your birth that not that people don't have their own struggles, but what a different world, leaving and flee in your country with 20 dollars in your pocket landing in Ohio. It's like, I can imagine this was just such a confusing world, and then you were born into that.
I was. And you know, I think in a funny way, not to minimize in any anyway. But I think 1 of the things that that really has been wonderful about hawk and and just connecting with other people and and understanding other stories is that as unique a story is, I think it's just in some ways, I think I feel so connected to folks who there's so many threads or themes of how you feel when you go out of it They're really connect with just where other people
are coming from. And so, that story might might feel or or might be, you know, in some ways distinct, emotions in the ways you feel and what you struggled through, I can really identify with in other people and see those threads. And and hopefully, it's not that far from from what so many other people go through as well personally. It's beautiful. 1, so then what did draw you do the process? Let's let's take it there? So I was definitely going through,
a very difficult time. You know, I mean, if I could just fast forward, you know, I built a good life. It was good at what I did. I worked with amazing business leaders, travel the world working, built a career, rebuilt it multiple times, more just out of curiosity and interest, which which was fun. But the reality is I I just never truly lived. So on the surface, you know, beautiful kids, beautiful wife, a wonderful home. On the outside, I think, so much that that looked good.
The reality was that, you know, who was Covid, and my world was imp. Was going through divorce. I felt like I didn't have the relationship with my son that I wanted to, I had never really been able to build a relationship with my daughter, the way that I wanted to, the work had been impacted with Covid. So I was throwing myself into work as as it started to re emerge to sort of catch up financially, I get you to where where I wanted to be, at the same time I knew that things were out of balance,
and just weren't working. So I was I was trying to start a new practice. A new business. It would allow me to do what I thought that I truly love doing, which is what I truly love doing, but building a new practice on top of that just took time. And I was exhausted. I hit the breaking point. And the more that I was trying to control the more that I was trying to hold things together, the more that I was losing absolutely everything, my marriage, my kids.
I was exhausted, and I just... I woke up 1 day, and I just realized that everything that I thought that I was doing. Just felt like it just wasn't working anymore. And that started me the journey. That started full journey of eventually taking me to, bring me to hoffman. That's awesome. So I always am interested to hear because Like, you know, I heard Hoffman in an odd way. But what was it about Hoffman that made you think yeah, this is where I wanna go.
This is what I wanna sign up for a week you know, all this money, no phone. What was it in that that sounded appealing to you? Thankfully, I didn't know that much about it. I tell most people's story starts. They're like, I didn't know that much about it, but I did. I think that would prompt me to half, there were couple of things, maybe to back up a little bit is that when I... When I sort of felt like I almost hit rock bottom of emotionally, I woke up
1 morning. I don't even remember writing it but I wrote 3 pages, which is not how I communicate, but it just flowed right out of me. And it sort of this vivid picture of who I wanted to be who I could be some parts of it might have been where I was. And it just sort of it just flowed out of. I think I I lack of better word. I think I broke 1 1 night. And I could see just in how many dimensions I could be you know, I was in a place where Felt like, I I had
no more feelings. I had no more emotions. I had been digging deep, and I didn't even know what the words were, but I could see this... You person that I could be that I just had to be that I wanted to be that I was, but it just wasn't coming out. And I threw myself into it you know, I sort of feel like I read all the books. I I, listened to the podcast. I began to work with a therapist. I
went to different things. I'd, had some people around me that were just amazing and calling me out on things that I'd never been called out on. And And I was at a place where at least I started having a language that I never had had before, you know, I was looking at it, and I I was in a spot where I just felt like, I started putting words like, I never felt like I fit in. I'm an outsider or I feel like I'm not enough that I'm
not... Smart enough for athletic enough or, you know, that I'd that I'd be find out, you know, that I'm gonna pass her I'm fraud, then I keep operating out of scarcity and and and every... So much is fear based of how I'm where I'm coming from, even though I'm doing great. Pretty big things on the outside that people might be impressed with. And it's coming from places scarcity coming from place of fear.
Everything seemed to tied to my fear of being rejected or a lack of self esteem or a lack of self confidence or I hate know what if people please meant, but sure enough. I'm like, yep. That's probably be or c, that might be b or maybe if you have some dysfunctional patterns, like, being h that serves well. But the boy just wasn't coming from a good place. And as I kept digging deeper deeper and just finding that there are these words and these languages and be turns out, I thought that
I couldn't feel. I didn't have emotions. That was kind of what what was what I was working strauss. I was just trying to sort everything I could and just looking for something. And 3 funny things have the property me to have been specifically 1, someone who I knew, really weren't passing came out and said they just had a life changing experience. This thing called Hoffman. The second thing was that, I met someone who said, you know, you know that you have no words for feelings like I said I
do. And they said, no, you don't. I said, I think I do. And they said, Okay. You have 3 words. Okay. Good and fine, and those aren't feeling words. And I said, I kinda think I am and they said for someone who knows words, they you might wanna look at that. And they went ahead and they printed out a form, a sheet that had a whole bunch of words that had feelings and emotions and at the bottom of it said Hoffman.
And the third thing was that I have to listen to a couple of podcasts, folks that have been through the top end process, a couple of podcasts that are that are out there. And when I just started hearing the people who had gone through it, what they had to say about it, it just was 1 of those instant. Alright. I just gotta into it. This is what I have to do next. I always love hearing that because I think that it really just speaks to what you're picking up on right as the
energy of the perk. Person and the the ways in which they've changed versus, you know, everything happens on such this deep person cellular level that it's hard sometimes to articulate. And I I know that firsthand, but I love hearing that just hearing from other people you're like, yeah. I want more of that sign me up for whatever that is. Well, when is a time?
I also always interested by this. When is a time in the process where you find yourself there, and you're kinda looking around, and it's like boom. Okay. I know I'm where I'm meant to be or some really big... Magical moment, what was 1 of those for you? Can I give you 3? Well, let me just open it up with That pull into the hoffman a beautiful place. It's beautiful spot, California and Night I pull in. It was it was at night, and the wonderful first week checked me in.
And I just looked at the person and I just said, I'm scared Shit lift. And he looked at me said, I've been through a too. And just had a sense of, wow. There's someone who's working here who actually went through the process, and that's how they're showing up. And they can connect with me. And there was something in that where. I just said, wait a minute hold a second the people who were here actually went through this,
and that landed for me. I think the second for me was believe it was on the first day is sitting in a room and having 2 concepts that I just think I was ready for, but 1 was just this concept of surrender versus submission And I think it was just having the word the definition of what that meant and surrender something I just don't do. I will not do something Against my I will? Man submission and and just having that definition of saying, are you ready? And I was ready.
There's something about that concept that just said to me. Alright. I don't know what I'm getting into, but for the next week, the next few days. I'm just ready. Let's just see where this goes. That was tremendous. And then right off the bat, being able to define this concept of a of a left road versus a right road. And just all the definition of the patterns of things that I do that I couldn't put words to on the 1 side and just a concept that I might actually have a choice of how I respond.
That was huge. But in terms of I think that the thing that landed for me the most most powerfully was there's a time of of writing a letter, And if I remember, it was it was writing a letter that is sort of my emotional child, speaking with my parents emotional child. My mom's emotional child. My dad's emotional child and and finding that I had so much resentment so much frustration, so much anger.
I think that what I uncovered was I shoved all of that away, so I didn't think I had any anger and it wasn't angry. I had rage writing a letter from my emotional child to my parents emotional child. And just saying, what happened, what did you go through? And finding that I came out of that process with such an empathy, such a connection, such passion, such love, such connection to my parents and what they went
through. And what their child might have gone through, their their personal child for what they went through grew up before anything bad happened, and then when things bad started to happen. It created such a level of just love. And and I think for me just an ability to understand myself, things that I could never understand about myself. Just became so clear. It was just amazing. It was, like, layers and layers and layers. I just sort a shed. Just and I just felt wrong connected to them in such
a beautiful way that I carry today. Tell us more about that positive legacy but lives in you today and you're taken forward. From how I I think the couple of things this when I came out, I came out with an intent to be able to live fully. I felt like, truly before Hoffman. I just not lived, and I I think I came about feeling fiercely. Like, I'm ready. I am just ready to live life absolutely fully for all in this, because it's beautiful. And it's wonderful.
I think you got 1 shot at it, and and it's it's just a wonderful place to be to be there fully to be their present to be their connected. So that was an intent. I think 2 things happen. 1 is when at the moment I came out Well, the first thing I did is I called my mom, and I said. Hey, mom. Just a see ceo you though. I've been gone for a week. I know that was rough for you to not hear from you for a week. Went through this thing and
I just gotta tell you. I hope you could forgive me for being as rough of a kid as I was, and, there's a long pause on the other side, and and and I just heard her say, I I don't know what just happened, but can you do this more often? I said no. Office is a 1 time thing. More deeply though, I think for the first time, I felt like it came out, and I could truly truly love myself. You know, I I put 3 beliefs out before I came to Hoffman that I was playing with.
And and I don't know that I could truly put my hands on whether I really had gotten it. And 1 of the greatest gifts I think I had from Hoffman, and is this concept of so often we we do things, so we can have them so we can be someone And I I felt like so much I was I was doing things for security for safety, etcetera, so that, you know, so that I could have those things and eventually. And being able to flip that to say, how can I just be?
Can I just truly be and from that place of just truly being I'll do things, and then and then I'll have things? And to be in a place now where I can say, you know, or feel that I truly love myself. That I am enough that I believe in me that I trust in myself that, you know, I truly belong in the room. And now like, I just can't help but connect with people at just such a different level and can't help us connect themselves or connect each other.
Did I just sort attract opportunities And before I would just do things just out of brute force without thinking without understanding now to be in a place where I can truly believe and find that I could do anything I put my mind to. But with grace and ease and joy, it's a wonderful place to be in and 1 that I truly feel that coming out of Hoffman.
And for the people around me, I think, you know, the way I can be with my kids with my friends with my colleagues that where they're saying, you're just showing up full. You're present, you're here, you're connected, you feel all over the place. I mean, in other words, I feel things and I have emotions. And I'm just there, working and playing fully. And and ideally creating a ripple with the people around me, just... Mind being able to be who I wanna
be and into who I am. Being able to show up fully and live life with people and in a way that connects and lands it that aren't coming out of unconscious patterns and and my own stuff, but just who I believe I am and who I wanna be is just a beautiful place. Yeah. And when an incredible reminder in making the connection of... This passion and this zest for living life fully and starting from that place of being. How can I be more present, Be more curious, be more
embodied in my spiritual self? Is such a a simple and yet so powerful way to approach life. It's beautiful liz. I I... And I... I'm just so happy could just beat. Incredible. Well, I'm also curious, what did you find most challenging about the process? You know, I I literally was physically shaking so many times during the process. I've never been through something that is so visceral. And I think that there was so much about the process where I had packed so much away. I'm really good at it.
If there's 1 thing I'm good at. And it's recognizing that I just had to go there. I had to let go, I had to submit. But in that, I think that there were so many times where there were things that... I just never wanted to face or didn't even remember anymore that were coming out. And so I think that 1 of the hardest things for me about the hoffman process was that in a funny way the experience, the ron is, the approach, and, I mean
it's physical. It's intellect. It's mental. It's it's all of that. In some ways it may think so easy for you to go to places I think you've... For me to go to places that I've ever been before. But at the same time, the depth and the raw where I was just facing things that I never could imagine that I was facing. This some days it just felt, like, literally, I was standing on a cliff and wanting to p. But my gosh. At the same time as hard as it was. I knew that there was a group that was there
supporting a process. It was porting a way of doing it and knowing that every minute of it. In fact, I looked at some of my notes before from from during the process before we talked And I just saw myself, and and you know, my spirit self talking myself saying, go harder, Go deeper. This is where you need to go. And so I think that was a challenge, but it was never the wrong thing. It was never scary. It was just myself pushing myself to just go all the way. Because
that's what I had to do. What in the challenge did you learn about yourself? So I think the biggest thing that I treasure 1 of the biggest things. How can I say that with the 1 thing? Is finding out there are 4 parts of me? I think probably the fair thing for me to say is this is entire area a couple years ago, I would thought was woo. And now all I can say is, no, if you're not going the here fully as a human. You're not there is a full human. You're not living as a full human.
You're not present. You're not showing up. You're not being the person that who you can be in and need to be. And so I think for me, 1 of the biggest things that I came away with to answer your question was just this recognition that there really is at least for me for lack of a better word. And I, come back to it every day. There's an intellectual self, and that's the part that I lived in forever, try to force things into.
There's a body self there is an emotional self in me, and there is a spiritual self in me. And if I can pay attention to each of those 4 sells if I can truly listen to them. And for me, I have to do it every single day. But if I can really have practice in a process. Where I'm truly paying attention to what exactly is my emotional self. Where is it right now? And what's it saying? Where exactly is my physical self my body. What's just saying, what exactly is my emotional self? Where is
it? What's it saying it my sphere self the thing I never believed that I had. And what's it telling me? My ability to show up clear every single day to be able to show up more centered than ever more present than ever. And being able to check it on what's my intuition telling me, how do I need to show up and how do I move forward that's something I just never ever had. And that's something I was absolutely missing, and that is something that I took away is just
that ability to say. Yep. There are these 4 parts. For me. They're real. And I've got a track at a process and a set of tools to keep coming back to them in every single day show up the way that I want. Well, thank you so much, Elliot. I appreciate just your honesty vulnerability throughout this entire conversation. I... You had me on the verge of tears for almost our full first 10 minutes as you you know, courageous told the story about your past, So I just really wanna thank you for
yeah, Showing up today, fully being today. Thank you, Liz, And thank you for giving me now. To to you know, share things I've never really shared people and and I think, you know, 1 of the things that athlete absolute treasure about coming on Hoffman, and it's just an ability to be more maybe more raw, more authentic, more real than ever and, hopefully, to make a bit of a ripple of the world.
Absolutely. And it wanna, you know, Bob Hoffman thing, changing the world 1 person at a time, or world peace, you know, 1 person at a time, and it's just so powerful. That when we show up in that way of being or that shift, it impacts everyone around us. I hope it does. I hope it does take. You liz. Thank you for everything. Thanks so much, Elliot. Thank you for listening to our podcast. My name is Liza and Brass see on the
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