Hey, everybody. It's Drew Horn. And you're about to hear a conversation with Chris pan. There so much creative energy ema aiding from this dialogue a human being with such vitality. I loved this conversation. The other thing is throughout it, I couldn't help but think about the title of our podcast, loves everyday radius. Chris Pan so em bodies that title in how he shows up in the world, see if you can see it as well. Enjoy. Welcome to Loves everyday radius.
Podcast brought to you about the Hoffman Institute. My name is Drew Horn. And on this podcast, we catch up graduates of the process and have a conversation with them about how their work in the process is informing their life outside of the process, how their spirit and how their love are living in the world around them. Their everyday radius. Welcome to the Hoffman podcast. It's drew Horn Chris Pan is with us today. Chris welcome. Thank you. Thank you for having me. It's
It's great to have you. Would you introduce yourself a little bit? So I was born in Taiwan. Was there until I was 7. My family called me how how? That was my nickname. And when I was 4, my parents moved to the Us and left me with my grandmother. So between 4 and 7 I was with my grandparents, And then at age of 7, my grandmother brought me to the Us, and I learned my first word of English on the flight over, which was hello. And I arrived to Cincinnati Ohio with only
1 word of English. And it was a very difficult time because I couldn't speak, and I looked different. Everyone else didn't look like me, we couldn't communicate, and they made fun of me. I was bullied as a kid. It took a few years before I finally learn English. And I still didn't really fit in, but I did what I could. And then, eventually, I I went to the international School of Beijing, which was amazing for a couple years.
Then went back to Cincinnati, ended up at Ohio State as, a prem med major. I should actually rewind during high school, I started playing guitar, and I started leading worship at my church, and I was very involved. I thought about becoming a youth pastor, actually, And every Friday night, I was leading music and singing and even sometimes giving Sermon, and then Sunday mornings. I'd be leading worship.
And then my parents said, no, but you have to get a real job and you have to be a doctor because that's how you're gonna, be able to have a secure living. So I did that. Graduated, got into Med school did 3 weeks of med school. Realized it wasn't my path. I love the idea of being a doctor, but it just wasn't what I felt like I was meant to do. So I dropped out, which was probably the hardest decision, 1 of the hardest decisions
my life. And then ended up pursuing a business career for the next decade ended up at Mckinsey company, and then Harvard business school back to Mckinsey, then I a marketing director at Pepsi C for a couple years. So at 22, I'd had set this goal that I wanted to be financially independent by 30. I don't know why, but I just thought that would be a cool thing to do. And then when I was turning 30, I was nowhere near that even though I had a very c corporate job. And I realized there were only
2 ways to financial independence at it. Early age, which was either eye banking or tech. And at that moment, I'd actually met Mark Zuckerberg when I was at Harvard Business school. And I love the Facebook products, so I reached out. I was like, hey, do you guys need some help because I knew that, through tech, you know, if we got lucky then we might be able to create some abundance.
And actually eventually ended up at Facebook for 4 years during the tremendous growth period, you know, when I joined Mark's desk was probably 15 feet away from mine. And I ended up being able to help him learn Mandarin for, for a year. And then after the Facebook, Ipo and I left was traveling around the world went through a very difficult heartbreak. And somewhere on the waist, I met a guy who hired me and fired me, but then he also told me about the Hoffman.
And during my very dark breakup time, I was like, well, I'll just take any help I can get, and he had told me that the Hoffman was, like, a year of therapy and a week. And I was like, that sounds like my kind of thing because I didn't have a year to deal with this pain. I just wanted to get out of it. And so I enrolled for the first class of 2013, and then I ended up the Hoffman.
Well, that's a a fantastic story. What? What I'd like to hold that lineage of being an immigrant and being in Cincinnati and then experiencing such success saying no to the medical school and the medical school life the doctor life. As you said, it's the 1 of the hardest things you've done, and then move into tech and then to go through that break up and then come to Hoffman such richness there. What do you notice in that journey? Any through lines? Oh, wow.
So the woman that I was dating that, you know, we broke up and that got me to go hoffman. She would always tell me that she loved Zelda as an example of life, and I don't even play Zelda I've never played it. But she would always tell me that, you know, life is, like you go through different parts to pick up different tools, and and 1 thing leads to the next. And so I I feel like every chapter has led to the next and I've been picking up different tools and different capabilities
on the way. In preparation for, you know, the ultimate, battle or the ultimate, you know, mission. And so I I feel like every chapter has has that through line. Explain a little bit about what Zelda is for the uni. I don't really know. But I know what I what I my understanding of it is that you do have different things you have
to do to... Like, you do this thing to pick up a key or you do this thing to pick up a torch, and you're just doing little things to pick up something that you'll eventually need for something else. And and I feel like that sums up my life pretty well. It's like, I've I did this to get to that and that. And everything just kinda makes sense in hindsight kinda like the Steve jobs speech. But while I was in it, I it didn't make
that much sense. But now I'm like, okay, This all kinda makes sense now. Looking back. There's things fall into place a little bit in hindsight. Yeah. And and I guess, 1 of my favorite quotes in high school is follow your heart no matter what. And so I've always just followed my intuition in terms of what I needed to do and made some difficult decisions or sometimes life would just you know, 1 door would close. And in a moment, I remember I'd, like, devastated that that door
closed. But then, you know, a little bit later. I'm, I'm really glad that Door didn't, stay open because it would have, you know, I wouldn't have gone down a different path. And so it's it's always worked that? And are you still playing guitar? Man playing more than ever. What's that like do you? What does music mean to you? What does it provide for you? It uplift my spirit. It also allows me to receive messages. Like like, Lyrics will come to me, and I'm like, oh,
Okay. Like, that's a very deeply profound message. You know, you can't always get what you want, but you get what you need. I'm like, okay. You know, that... That's cool. Maybe just a little patience. Oh, alright. Just little patience. You know, there... There's a lot of, wisdom, you know, don't you worry child Heaven's got a plan for you? Oh, okay. Like, maybe I shouldn't worry you so much. Who new top top 40 radio had so much wisdom in it?
Chris, share a little bit about my intent for those listening when the pandemic hit, the Hoffman Institute and Chris Penn, the Ceo of my intent came together and created these virtual daily experiences of connection and, wisdom, and it went on for almost a year quite successful, it eventually didn't work out, but share a little bit about my intent and your intent around my intent.
So when I was at the Hoffman, there were 2 big moments for me. 1 was about 2 thirds of the way through when we played. And I was on the floor. I remember just sobbing and just releasing a lifetime of emotional constipation. And I would never forget that moment, and I realized how cons I was emotionally. And
that was through play of all things. And then I remember the last day when we were asked to set intention going forward, I said I wanted to bring this this feeling of spiritual connection, You know, because I had been spiritually disconnected for so long. I wanted to bring this this feeling of connection to the world, because I realized a lot of people don't have, you know, thousands of dollars in a week of time to fly somewhere do this amazing
experience. I wanted to make it just make a little dose of it available to everybody. There's as many people as I could had no idea how that was gonna happen. But that was the intention I set. And for the next few months, I was doing different types of, inner work, whether it was in improv comedy or just more singing movement, and I hosted a birthday party, in August. So this... I did Hoffman in January. And then in August for my birthday party,
I invited friends to come. I host... I actually had... He's now a teach Max. He's a teacher. Yeah. At the time, he was just a facilitator for a lung events. So I invited him to come to do, like, a grounding at the very beginning of my birthday party, and then we had my executive coach do, like, like, a body activation, like, an embodiment exercise. And then I had a vocal teacher come and get us to Scene lean on me. And then I had another friend lead us
in movement with the song radioactive active. And these songs were all chosen because of the messages that they hold. And I also invite a friends to bring gifts they wanted to share. And I had a friend bring a set of tools that can make attention break. Splits. And she was going around asking people for a word of intention and then making them a bracelet. And then afterwards, we had dinner that she gave me the tools and said, hey, you're moved to La.
Like, go make these for people. And it really reminded me of the time at Hoffman when, you know, we would go around in circles and ask, you know, what are you feeling in 1 word or what's your attention and 1 word and so forth? And I I didn't really think that much of it, but I brought the tools And I started hosting gatherings in la that I called Spirit Sundays. I would just have people come. And, you
know, they arrived. We would ask people to set attention, and then We've making a bracelet, and then we would do some light yoga. We would do some movement and so forth. And that ended ended up, really taking off and people loved it. And people kept asking me for more bracelets and then so I started to having a research like, how to, you know, do more bracelets and then You know, I started just doing more more of them. And then for a fundraiser, a friend asked
if we could do it. We ended raising a bunch of money for orphan in Africa, And then, I I met Jay z, and he wanted a bracelet. He really liked it. He's like, can you make these for my friends who turn out to be Rihanna Beyonce saint Kanye. Kanye word on the cover of the time 100, with his word, and then the today show picked it up, and it just kinda took
off from there. And so that that was a whole chapter and then the pandemic hit, and I wanted to do something for folks who you including myself who were just struggling with how to cope with the isolation and just the uncertainty, and so we partnered up, and that was beautiful. And then towards the end I think we all got zoomed out.
It was summertime, and I think we just needed to be out and not in front of a a computer, but it was a beautiful journey when, you know, beautiful collaboration while we had it. It was. Yeah. And and what is your word, Chris? Oh, what is my word? Well, I've had so many words. The first word I ever chose was impact I wanted to, you know, make an impact into the world.
There few words that I've been playing around with lately, listen, feel like it's really interesting word that has been resonating a lot. The word forgive. I've been using a lot more and more into different sessions. And you know, I leave these workshops, and I'll use the song that I call the song formerly known as Purple Raid because Prince's team is very they'll have they'll have the videos taken down if it's called purple Rain. But we've now renamed the song healing rain.
And I love the Lyrics where it says, I never meant to cause you any sorrow. I never meant to cause you any pain. And when I leave that song, I usually have people close their eyes. It'll be something like this. And I'll I'll say something like, you know, if you bring in mind, someone that's hurt you, you, they probably didn't mean to cause anything pain. Caused you any sa. They were just passing it along. Did somebody heard them? And I wonder where Got that message from.
Yeah. You know, and I learned that at the hoffman obviously. And this double 2. Never met to cause you any summer. Never meant to cause to any pain. Only wanted to see see you laughing. We wanted to see laughing healing rain, You know purple the color for healing. We wanted to see you playing in the healing
Something like that. And so we'll get we'll get the whole place singing along and Sometimes I'll have half the group sing and the other half the group continue to meditate and then switch, and it's a beautiful moment of forgiveness and, compassion. Chris, you've alluded to gatherings. Do you just love bringing people together for random and intentional occasions?
Is that how you roll? I do. And sometimes I think of it as when I was a kid I was so lonely, And I was isolated, I would just sit in my desk by myself imagining playing with other kids, and I never got to play with other kids. And so I feel like that was my pain turned into a superpower. And and we have a song for that too. Do you know that song by the super superheroes by the script, the Lyrics go, struggling to make it right, or fighting for it all your life, struggling to make it right.
That's how a superhero learns to fly every day, every hour turn your pain into power. Oh, I love it. So how does your Hoffman process experience, help you. I mean, you you have so much energy so much creativity and such access to the spirit that lives inside you, I'm just curious about your process your week at Hoffman and how it's informed your life.
Looking back, I was emotionally cons and spiritually disconnected, and the Hoffman process help me release those emotions, and it gave me my first taste of feeling joy and feeling free. And feeling loved and feeling accepted, and it allowed me to start my journey to connect with my own spirit and connect with the universe and then connect with just a sense of 1 is. And that was 2013. January of 2013. And so you referenced to start my journey.
As you left the process on that Friday, what has begun to unravel, open up unfold for you, what's happened over time in the unfolding of that journey? You know, I use that framework in my workshops, almost all the time of the the the quadrant? I wasn't even aware of emotional and spiritual health before the hoffman process. And that was a huge aha moment that I have an emotional and spiritual aspect of me that I need to take care of.
Since then, I've spent a lot of effort and time learning different modalities to, you know, work on processing my emotions and, you know, connecting with my spirit. And it was my time at the Hoffman that really just started the journey started planting the seeds of this is work that needs to be done for me to feel whole. And, subsequently, I ended up at a different workshop where the facilitator, kept repeating this phrase, wholeness leads to h ness. Wholeness leads to h ness.
And so I think about wholeness as, you know, our physical intellectual, emotional and spiritual self as and as we make ourselves whole across all the quadrant that's how we connect to our d and our our purpose in this planet. Chris, I've I've often said Hoffman plays well with others In other words, it integrates well with other modalities, other orientation, and that's a that's a great example. Of that. Do you feel like your Hoffman Foundation allows for other
orientation to be integrated as well? I mean, that was what was so amazing about the Hoffman was I felt like no matter what your faith system, what your previous experiences were whatever your belief system is, it it allows you to be you. And that actually... That philosophy has been the bedrock of my intent. I always coach my team that we don't have the answers, but we have the questions.
And we ask the questions and we let people, we guide them, and we hold the space for them to, to find their own answers. I think of it as we get to do a 5 minute process with people. You know, when they walk up to our table, and they are, like, what's going on here? We say, hey, what's your word? What do you wanna put on a bracelet as a reminder to be your best off, and they look at us a little bit stunned. Be like, I hadn't thought about that for a long time?
And so we're giving them a moment to reflect and connect with why they're alive. And then we start asking more questions. Like, you know, hey, what's the virtual quality you want more of in your life? Think about somebody you admire? You know, what do you admire about them or we'll say, hey, what's a challenge in your life that you want to
overcome? Know, what do you need to overcome that, or the last question we'll ask often is, what's something you wanna do more of if that brings you more joy it makes you me feel more alive. You And and that's very consistent with my experience during the week at Hoffman was I felt like the teachers never told me how to feel or how to think but the teacher is all held space for me to figure out by myself. And I wanted to bring that experience, to everyone. And I think of it as
instead of giving people fish. We're giving people fishing rods. And we're teaching people how to find their own answers. What do you notice about that? It it seems like the world we live in isn't drawn to questions as much they love. Answers. We we love knowing. We love the certainty of answers and yet here you are pushing questions Do you sense that about the world around you? Yeah. It's interesting.
I mean, I think I think part of it is people have stuff to sell And that's what's kinda coming to me in this moment. You know, our consumer society, people... Your capitalism. I think we're all pushing an agenda on other people and I think you know, my marketing background is telling me, we create problems so that we have a solution to sell people. There's no there's no money in quest jen's,
the money's and the answers. Yeah. And and and probably 1 of the most powerful things at the Hoffman was a week of disconnection from the marketing machine that is our consumer capitalist society and a week of connection to spirit. To our spirit to our own answers. And that was deafening and so profound at the same time. Like silence is deafening. But also, there's a line in 1 of my friends songs that says, searching for answers that only silence knows. You know, And I felt like that was
that was the week. Like, it it... It's like, we shut out all the noise. There's so much noise in our world today. Like, social media, Tv, billboards, you know, we're constantly bombarded with people are constantly pitching us. Something, or people are constantly wanting us to give them our attention. You know, maybe on social media someone isn't selling us something, but they're asking us of our attention and that takes away our ability to connect with our own answers.
Right. That's a great point because we're looking outward rather than going inward. You know, Chris, it's funny that you say this because sometimes I secretly wonder about if we just took people into a digital detox, this immersive retreat experience and didn't do all the things that we lead students. Would it still be amazing just because people got a chance to step out of the k company that is the outside world. A hundred percent. It's removing the the noise. And people can start to tune in.
But but the processes are so powerful, though, to to really accelerate that, but absolutely. I think we can get halfway there. Just by removing the noise or something. Part of the way there. Right. So what's next for you? I... You so much creativity and energy. I know you're not just hanging out. What else is inspiring you what gets you up every day? So there's a story I read that says in tribal cultures, if somebody was depressed, the shaman would ask 4 questions. When's last time you danced.
When's last time you saying, When's last time you satin in silence and when's the last time you were enchanted to buy a story. Okay. Let's hold. Danced, saying, sat in silence chanted by a story. So if you think about these are our natural medicines. These are ways that we uplift the spirit. These are ways we connect to spirit. These are our natural ways that we've been doing it for thousands of years. We now live in a world where somehow...
I mean, I guess we still have... We have a lot of movement That's true. Meditation studios and meditation apps are becoming more and more popular. Stories have always been around. You know, there's a lot of storytelling. But where do we sing as a society? You know, as a as a culture, other than, I guess, at churches and then maybe at a karaoke key bar. Right? But but for the most people, if they don't go to church, like, where can
you sing? Especially in a group. And there's so much science that proves Group singing is great for... You're stimulating the vagus nerve and it helps us calm ourselves. It foster a sense of connection to other people. And it's just fun, like, it's so uplifting. But we live in a world where we've delegated or we've relegated singing to professionals like Adele. And Michael Jackson and we're, you know, taught that...
Or we're sub... You know, it's kinda subtly taught that if you're not, Michael Jackson you shouldn't... Or if you're not Michael Jordan, you can't play basketball, but that's not true. Right? Just because you're not, like, Michael Jordan, you can still pick up a ball and still shoots some hoops. And so I have now created something called V. Which stands for voice movement, and the full name is V dot me, which is voice movement dot meditation. And I was almost gonna add the s for stories.
Voice movement dot me, but, I just kept at voice move dot meditation, but we sprinkle in stories throughout the whole experience. Where we're helping people use the natural medicines to uplift the spirit and to process emotions and also build community and you know, have a sense of connection. And what we do is we take top 40 Anthem that we all love, and we tweak the lyric submit to drive home messages that are profound and we'll be there for you when you need it.
You know, like, you don't always get what you want, but you get what you need. And I have people sit back to back with others. And, reflect on a time where, yeah. Maybe something happened that wasn't what you wanted it, but maybe it actually was what you needed. And then I have them think about, well, maybe there's something happening in your life in this moment. That you're frustrated with and you're not happy
about. You're just wishing was different, but maybe a tier to serve you in some way, and you just have to look at it differently. And embrace it and use it as fuel for building your strength, You know, your character, your purpose, your resilience, and so forth. And there's in part, reading the lyrics can be inspiring and powerful, don't quite create the kind of power that singing the lyrics together with other people do. There's a reason brands use jingle.
To get people to remember things. Right? There's a reason for that. It's because it's catchy and our brains love jingle and love Mel. And so would I give a workshop, I always say, I could talk to you for the next hour, and you'll forget everything by tomorrow morning. But if I simplify the message, add a melody on top and get you to sing it back, then it's yours. It's gonna be there for you when you need it. That's the impact I wanna have as a speaker, and as a facilitator
and as a leader. I'm thinking about that young boy in the church who would sing in front of the community, do you feel like he still is inside you in some way as you lead people? Yeah. Yeah. In a very unexpected way, but, absolutely the way that, I guess, I'm meant to do it. You know, I I had this vision 10 years ago right after the hoffman. I was still processing the breakup up and every morning, I'd wake up and fire up my karaoke app and just sing for an hour until
I felt better. And then I remember 1 morning, I was seeing, don't you worry Child have has got a plan for you and I said, holy cow, there's so much wisdom in top 40 in, you know, on the radio? And why can't we use this to reach people who maybe, you know, they don't resonate with folk with, you know, the songs at a church or they don't wanna step into a church, but we can bring church to them. And that's who we're hoping to serve is
everybody else who... On a Sunday afternoon is watching football and not processing their emotions and not connecting with your spirit as we want to bring church to those folks. What do you notice in your early returns on this venture? How's it being received? Folks are loving it. I mean, folks are blown away. They're always telling me, you know, they they walk in know, having had a hard week, anxious, walking out, feeling totally open, expansive, joyful,
it's a complete transformation in 1 hour. I remember I did a workshop for a women or for at deloitte headquarters. And after the workshop, In this workshop, actually, I'll say is, I was in London right before this workshop, I was you know, there for wedding. And right before I was flying to Texas my laptop would not start. So I had, you know, 30 slides I was just to use for this workshop, and my laptop wouldn't start. I went to
the Apple Store. They said, well, it's gonna take a week for us to restart your laptop. And then I was, you know what? In this moment, forget the slides. I'm just gonna to it without the slides. And so when I got there to to the venue, I want... I told them actually to make it really dark in this 1 hour workshop for a bunch of deloitte accounts. I had them screaming. I had them dancing. I had them, you know, shadow boxing, all of it, but it was it was pretty dim. I had no slides.
And it was probably 1 of the most powerful workshops I ever given up to that point. It was probably actually the most powerful because people were just in at they're were in their own space. They weren't worried about whatever they weren't in their heads because I think slides tend to keep us in our heads. And afterwards, this woman walks up, and she... You know, tears in her eyes and she goes, Chris, I have to tell you. I've
been working on this thing for years. It's very important to me and in a 1 hour session. You helped me have a breakthrough. And I will never forget that moment. I was like, wow. And a 1 hour session, you know, we were able to hold space for her to have that breakthrough that she's been struggling with for years.
Wow, Chris. Let me ask you this question because so much of what the hoffman process is about is getting into the experience of something, letting go giving yourself over, leaning into the experience of it And here you did it in in 1 hour with these executives at Deloitte. But how do you do it? What what's the secret to helping people let go and given to this kind of energetic expressive experience.
So first off, I just have to say that this embodiment approach, I had never experienced it before until the hoffman. And it's so powerful. And I... Especially... Yeah, just all the different processes. And so it's just amazing. And that's where I got the idea from originally. Or that's what I got my first taste of it, if you will. The second thing I always remind myself is
it's not me. This pimple is ready to pop. I was just a final prick that just helped the pimple pop. It's been improving there for, you know, 3 years or however long. But I do just give it everything I got, and I use music and I use you know, I work with the lights, I work with just energy. But if it's meant to happen. I mean, something can happen in a 5 minute conversation. It doesn't have to be a certain amount of time or certain amount of whatnot... You know, and it doesn't happen for every
person. I mean, are people that probably want walk out of the workshop and they're like, okay. That was cute. But like, they weren't... You know, if they weren't ready, they weren't ready. But if they were ready, if they're ready to let it go, then then it happens. And I'm just honored to be able to hold that space for them. So the lights down, helping people give themselves over to these experiences is, and I love how you said
they're not ready. They're not ready and early on, after I took the process before I became a teacher, I would prose ties. You weren't supposed to, but I pushed. And what I realized is just the reason we don't have people push because if you're not ready, it's not helpful. And you you are pointing to that in these experience is that when people are ready, they'll give to the experience. Yeah. And and and and I will I also remind myself.
I'm just planting seats for the people who, you know, maybe walked down, and I was like that was cute, but maybe down the road in 2 years, there'll be a moment that happened. And then all of a sudden, a message that, you know, I shared will be resident it, and will affect them, but I'd never know and it doesn't really matter. Know, I'm just out planting seeds. So for someone listening and wanting to... You stop the chatter in the head and become more embodied. We are a dis the the pimple is
there. It seems like we get supported so much in our culture you know, of living in our head and being from our head. What steps can support some of those seeds both being planted and then also growing into fruition. I mean, my favorite things are singing, movement, meditation, you know, story time. Those 4 things are my personal favorites. For me, I like to go swim.
And I always try to swim before I give a workshop because that 45 minutes is, like a moving meditation, and it's so powerful for me. Sometimes running as well. Can be that for me. Meditation time is beautiful, just singing with other people, just getting off our phones. You know, just just going on a hike without with our phones. Alright. It's just putting that puppy down. How has your work at Hoffman informed your relationship with
your parents. Are they still living? Yeah. They're they're here. Yeah. It's it's been a journey with them, and it definitely has you know, the most important thing is getting my father he can be difficult sometimes for me, and he could be very hard on me. And I always remember, you know, he was born on the side of the road, when my grandmother was fleeing China on her way to Taiwan.
So this is 19 49, the communists were taking over China, and they fled, and she was pregnant, and my grandfather had already left with the army a few months prior. So my grandmother was with some of our friends. Ready to get birth, they found an abandoned house, knocked down the door, went in there gave birth rested a bit. And then they had to keep going. And then the first couple years, they... She was on her own before she we were reunited with my grandfather.
And my father grew up very poor, very difficult times. They were struggling. And so I always have to remember that that's, you know, the the background that he has and it's just different. And just just be grateful for the things that I have. But, you know, I come from, a lineage of refugees. You know, Like, actually, we were we were pretty well off. My grandparents him My great
grandparents were pretty wealthy. In China, they had a printing press business, but then everything was taken away, taken away in a moment, and they just had to clothes on their back and a couple pieces of gold, I think very small, But that's it. And then they had to start from scratch. As the pandemic came rolling over us, and some of the anti Asian hate emerged in the under belly of our culture, How did you navigate that and what was the impact on you? And how do you hold that?
I I think it's, you know what we... What we were taught at the Hoffman, it was just folks are just hurting. And then it reminds me of a tick knock con quote that says, you know, if someone's... Or someone's angry, you know, they need help. It just shows that they're suffering. And so my read on all this, hey. Is just people are hurting, and I don't take it personally, and I just try to do what I can to be of help and be supportive and try to stay out of Harm way, obviously, but
people are just hurting. You know, there's looking for somewhere to point that that point that hurt. And so I think that's why the the work that we do is so needed and the world more than ever is people are hurting and we need to help them heal in a proper way so that they're not spewing all that out in a, you know, in a way that's harmful to other people. Chris Bob Hoffman had a vision for hoffman world peace 1 person at a time, and I feels like exactly what you are
doing in your work. You're really connecting the interpersonal work with the outer larger collective work of peace. Do you see that? I'm just doing what feels good. I'm just you know, I'm trying to get the world to sing together because it sounds good. You know? Like, when we sing together, we're not talking over each other. We're in harmony, I'm just doing... I'm just doing, you know, it gets me up in the morning.
I love it. I love it. And so what's a great song If someone came away from this interview, what song should they belt out loud I'm gonna teach everybody a new song, and I wrote the Lyrics because when people come to V, many people feel like, well, I'm not a singer, I can't sing I'm not a dancer answer. I can't dance. You know? And I think it's time to drop those labels. You know, when we were kids, we never worried about, oh, am I doing this right? Am I singing correctly? Like, we just did
it because it felt good. This is really important work, and I borrowed this from an out throw of the killer. So I like to I like to use stuff that's already familiar. This then it's easier for people to digest. It's all about making it digestible for people, but then I put some lyrics to it. I hope they're okay with this. I will sing, but not a singer or you wanna sing it with me? I will sing, but I'm a I will, but not a senior, but not a senior. Will but not a dancer.
I will dance, but not a dancer. I will dance but not a dancer. Will dance, but not a dancer. Dance dance will heal, but not a healer or will heal, but not a healer will play, but I'm not a player. I will play, but not a play I came here to find my intention. I came here to find my attention. Crisp van, everybody, thank you. Chris, I've loved this conversation and you're leadership in the singing.
Thank you. Thank you so much for having me and for what you do and what the hoffman does because this wouldn't be here without it. So good. Thank you for listening to our podcast. My name is Liza and Grass. I'm the Ceo and President of Hoffman Institute Foundation. And I'm Ras Rossi, often teacher and founder of the Hop institute Foundation. Our mission is to provide people greater access to the wisdom and power of love. In themselves in each other and in the world.
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