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There's I find the more we think we know, the less we really do. Where would we be without THC? Because we It's the end of the world as we know it, but I feel fine coming in hot from the sunshine state. I'm Gregg Carlwood.
And when you know the power of the PR marketing machine and the attention grabbing algorithmic everything, it's easier to see that people's focus is often directed towards a few highly charged stories of the week and moving us from one staged event, engineered outrage, or public psychodrama to another. And an immeasurable amount of things fall through the cracks or are intentionally left out of our news feeds as to let the psychopathic super system keep right on churning and burning.
Untold corruption, secret agreements, hidden agendas, unseen operations, and an endless list of things one must go out of their way to learn about. And one of those dedicated to deeper dives outside of the conventional informational quarantine is the great Sophia Smallstorm. She's been here 5 times before talking about everything from Sandy Hook strangeness, geoengineering, and cell phone radiation to transhumanism, biological darkness, and the dangers of oxidative stress.
She still puts out her avatar update newsletter, bringing subscribers new information found in her own self directed research rabbit holes and also blogs at about the sky.com and maintains a store of health promoting damage mitigating products at avatarproducts.com. Back after 4 long years, the Federation of Natural Life Freedom Fighter oxidative stress alarm sounder and geoengineering educator, Sophia, welcome back.
Greg, I'm really happy to be back because it was 4 years, and so many people were telling me, why aren't you on Fireside Chats? And I said, he has disappeared. Ah. And you did. You disappeared to bug land. Bug land. Yes. Or Gaitersville, as I like to say. And it has its advantages and disadvantages. It's true. But it is what it is. Anyway, how are you doing? Hopefully, not near any fires. No. The fires are right around the corner as they would say in New York. No. You have bugs. We have fires.
No. It's terrible. We know what these fires are. We know what they come from, and I'm writing a newsletter on that now. I always write these newsletters. I fill stuff in, and I think of how to pull in another thread. I think of these things in the middle of the night, Greg. I wake up and I go, oh, I have to put this in the newsletter, and then it's a struggle. Should I get out of bed and write this down, or am I gonna remember until the morning?
And I tell myself, you must remember this until the morning. Well, I know you don't have Wi Fi on, so you can actually think at night. I can think at night. Yes. And I've learned a lot of things about those. We have to get back into sync, into a group. But let's this will be our experimental show. Okay. Okay? If I leave the show abruptly, it'll be a no go. Well, hopefully, that won't happen. But it is nice to talk to you
again after so long. You were kind enough to send me the last few newsletters, and I read them all. Lots of diverse topics and off the radar information. I figured we could start with blood guacamole or this really interesting deep dive you did
into the cartel controlled avocado trade. I have had a few guests who focus on the cartels and their drug and human trafficking, but it's very concerning that those black market profits are now monopolizing legal markets with the same cutthroat practices and violence. Talk to us about some of the surprising things you learned on this. First of all, Greg, I haven't met a single person who doesn't like avocados. You know? Yeah. It's almost like baby food. It's baby food. It's a great color.
It's so creamy. It has a little taste of onion. It slides down your throat. Somebody told me they put it in smoothies. People make pudding out of it, sweet stuff. I cannot imagine. My brain and sensibilities cannot go in all those directions. But there was a time when the avocado was unpopular, if you can believe it. So California, the lovely land that you left so abruptly for your own reasons, California, you know, they were promoting property,
tract of land sales with citrus. They would tell potential homeowners, oh, buy this house because it has citrus trees around it, and you can pay off your mortgage because you will have oranges and lemons. So this was going on, I think, in the early part of the 1900, and then that started to go stale, and they had to come up with another gimmick, the developers in California, how to sell land. And they tried all kinds of different fruits, kumquats,
and different things like that. Nothing took until they tried the avocado. And then they were actually publishing ads showing drawings or pictures of avocado trees with dollar bills hanging from the branches. And there was a postal worker. His name was Rudolph Haas, h a a s. This is 1925. He worked at the Pasadena post office. He made 25¢ an hour. Okay? And that's not much. He had, with the help of a horticulturist, because avocados are not easy to grow, but he had seen this picture of this
avocado tree with dollar bills hanging. And then he plundered his savings and borrowed from his sister, and he bought a piece of land with avocado trees on it. And he learned how to graft, which is a horticultural technique, with the help of a real horticulturist. How to graft avocados and get a hybrid? And so he made this tree that was an improvement on the Fuerte type of avocado, which was, I guess, the most popular one at the time.
And it was then named the Hass avocado after he began to sell it to his friends at the post office for several dollars, 4 or 5 avocados in a bag, he sold for $1. But imagine that's 4 hours of work. Right? So his tree was producing tremendous amount of fruit, and avocado is actually a fruit. It's a stone fruit. So this Haas creation, he had patented it in 1935, and it is now the champion of all avocados. It is smooth and fatty inside. It is dark and nubby. It has a
tough outer skin. The Florida avocados where you are, I think they are thinner skin, and they're more watery. So the oiliness of the host, it slides down the throat even better. You know? And the Hass avocado was something that managed to take off worldwide, and that was actually the feat of, shall I say this or show you? Remember 911 and the Kuwaiti ambassador's daughter who gave the talk before congressional group. She was representing I'm sorry. I I haven't No. It's all
good. I actually do have this here because I mentioned PR and marketing in the intro because this did really stick out to me. But you wrote, if you remember the incubator baby's story that got America into the 1st Gulf War, this was tearfully told by a young Kuwaiti girl to the US Congressional Human Rights Caucus in October of 1990 describing Iraqi soldiers looting incubators from a Kuwaiti hospital and dropping the babies on the floor.
The story was made up as part of a PR campaign to hustle public support for the US led liberation of Kuwait from Iraqi occupation. It worked. The Washington DC public relations firm Hill and Knowlton, had been paid 10,700,000 by a group calling itself citizens for a free Kuwait to sell the war to the world as news programs later reported when the stunt was exposed.
And we have the very same outfit, Hill and Knowlton, to thank for the modern avocado craze, which quadrupled consumption of the bumpy pear in America in 2022 or by 2022, thanks to prime time Super Bowl ads pushing guacamole and avocado toast at the turn of the century. So I do think that's really interesting. I just like hearing more examples of how the public's attention is directed and how demand is manufactured,
even in areas where you wouldn't expect. People always say Edward Bernays is the father of the modern American breakfast. Eggs, bacon, all that stuff. Because he was like, how can I take all the pieces of the farm, put it on one plate, and sell it to people? Because everything you find is a $1,000,000,000 business to somebody somewhere, and nothing ever really seems to be organic. Nothing ever really seems to just come naturally without being shepherded along by someone making money somewhere.
Yeah. So organic in that sense, yes. But, Greg, I also learned, and this is quite fascinating, that avocados, even if they're not grown organically in soil that's not treated with chemicals, and they're usually more expensive, the organic avocados. But doctor Mercola reported several years ago that his people, whoever they are, tested the conventionally grown avocados, and there's no trace of pesticide in them.
So you can buy the conventionally grown avocados and feel pretty confident that you're not getting a big dose of pesticides because it's that skin that's so hard. I mean, it repels insects. The other thing is, though, that you are probably buying from a cartel. Yeah. That is the thing. So this is kinda where the story really pops off is you talk about this one region, mikokan, Michio kan, and that's where 45 of all avocados
consumed in the US are grown. It's the most important avocado producing region in the world, accounting for nearly a third of the global supply. This cultivation requires a huge quantity of land, much of it found beneath native pine forests and even more startling quantities of water. It's often said it takes about 12 times as much water to grow an avocado as it does a tomato.
You say recently competition for control of the avocado and the resources needed to produce it has grown increasingly violent often at the hands of cartels a few years ago. In nearby Europan, 19 people were found hanging from an overpass piled beneath the pedestrian bridge or dumped on the roadside in various states of undress and dismemberment, a particularly gory incident that some experts believe emerged from cartel clashes over the multibillion dollar avocado trade.
I mean, wow. It really almost sounds silly for that sort of violence to be about avocados, but money is money. And I worry that if they make this big pivot, which already seems to have been made, there's nothing illegal about selling avocados. So you can funnel black market business to legitimate businesses, and then you're just entrenched in building wealth.
And if you have these monopolistic, very cold hearted practices, you know, you can deal with things as they come up, but you become a little bit more ingrained in conventional society and the conventional economic structure. Greg, let's give credit to the source of this avocado information, which triggered my whole interest in cartels. It came from the Harper's Magazine, the literary magazine, not Harper's Bazaar. The November 2023 issue, there was an article titled Forbidden Fruit.
And this was the article that talked about the cartels having infiltrated the avocado market. So some of the things that you read are actually quoted from Harper's. I just wanna clarify that some of the stuff you read, and I say it's from my newsletter. And the only way people are gonna find that out is to subscribe to my newsletter for god's sake. Right? Always be closing. So, Greg, the reason that it takes 12 times the water to grow an avocado that it does for a tomato,
look how watery a tomato is. The avocado is rich. It's fatty. It's high energy. So it takes so much more energy from the earth, which is basically plants are drinking up water. It's the water, the amount of water consumption that is a factor in the richness of the avocado. So what's happening in Mexico is that these cartels are running the avocado business. They are just cutting down trees, the native pine forests, which keep Mexico properly hydrated. Let's just say the land. So
the land is drying up. The pines actually release water into the air, and the avocado suck water out of the ground. But it's such a big business because there's such a popularity all through the world now for avocados, particularly in America, that these cartels, they take money from the growers for every kilo of harvest. And so the cartels are chopping down the pine forest. They're replacing them with avocado saplings that are sucking up the water and drying up the country.
This is why the avocado business is referred to in Mexico as blood guacamole. And the trees that are growing there are the Hass variety, which is a hybrid of Mexican and, I believe it's Guatemalan avocado strains. But all of these trees come from that first tree that Rudolf Haas grafted in his backyard in Pasadena in the 19 twenties. So we are looking at control of a country, and that's where I go with the rest of the newsletter.
But we have to talk about that little independent Mexican state, Charon, because they've done something pretty unusual. Yes. Very inspiring. Maybe we could take a page out of their book, but tell the people about Charon. So, apparently, the Mexican constitution guarantees indigenous communities the right to autonomy. And in 2014, the courts of Mexico recognized the municipality of Cheran, c h e r a n, as autonomous sovereign.
And so it, at the same time, was entitled to apparently 1,000,000 of dollars a year in state funding. So now it's an independent zone. And because it was granted its independence, it changed its whole infrastructure. So I'm gonna quote from Harper's. The townspeople of Turan kicked out the police and local government, canceled elections, locked down the whole area. Cheran reopened with an entirely new state apparatus. Political parties were banned. A governing council had
been elected. A reforestation campaign was undertaken to replenish the barren hills. This means the places where the pines have been cut down and the avocados were growing. Right? Military force was chartered to protect the pine trees and the water's supply of the town and new water filtration and recycling programs were created, and the avocado was outlawed. Okay. No more avocados in Sharon. And so they took over, and there are signs throughout the little
area. Planting of avocados is prohibited. The community police force, the new police force, wears fatigues, black jackets with helmets. They carry AR fifteens, and they have instructions to destroy avocado trees wherever they find them. And anyone who grows the illegal avocado will have his land taken by the government. So they are breeding pine trees in the town nursery, and they're planting them where the avocado groves once stood. And this is their reforestation
program. They are a mere 20,000 people, and this is what they've managed to achieve. So they changed the gun. They kicked out the cartel. Yeah. You know, we're led to believe the cartels are so powerful and so bloodthirsty and violent that you can't do any of that, but here we go. Now, Greg, I did read in that Harper's article that there was another sovereign area that got its independence in 2018. But, apparently, now the cartels have infiltrated what are called autodefenses.
These are groups that defend themselves. And now you can't even tell what's real defense, citizen defense, and what's a cartel. We always say in the alt media movement that the bad guys infiltrate us. And today, I've never heard of us wanting to infiltrate the bad guys. Right? Right. Oh, why don't we? What's the matter with us? Well, I think the reason is because the bad guys, you know, are kind of the established structure, and anyone who gets brought into the established structure is
immediately suspected of of being dirty. So it's really hard to be a champion of the light when you're swimming around in the darkness because we've been made to be so skeptical over the years that no one would trust that person to actually be trying to do anything good. You mean if we come back to our our group, having once infiltrated the cartel let's call we are run by cartels. You know? That's the reality. And these cartels have apparently existed
for a very long time. In the middle ages, they were merchant groups, and they ran things. So the definition is a group of producers who collude to control the supply or prices of a type of good or service. So, oh, they were merchant guilds, guilds and syndicates, associations of craftsmen. Right. British East India Company, that kind of thing. Right. But even smaller groups than that. So we've always had these cartels hanging around, hovering,
breathing down our necks. And then we had these larger groups that use cartels to run economies, these authoritarian regimes. So now, you know, we have the world being run by ugly black cartels, basically. That's what I think. Well, I agree with you. And the whole idea of infiltration of the cartels I mean, let's just say the American machine, the big superstructure of government colluding with these robber barons, these cartels, if we wanna use the term. You know, a lot of people think that
has happened. I don't really think so, but we are recording this right before a new administration or an old administration retakes control, and a lot of people think that this is an infiltration of the traditional system by people who do have good intentions. You know, that's obviously out there. I'm curious what you think about it. By the time this goes out to people, the inauguration will
have likely already happened. But I know you've followed RFK Jr for a long time, and that's kind of gotta be something that's a little bit interesting, if not actually exciting, that he would be involved in things at a high level considering what he says. Now there's a lot of people talking about that whole thing being infiltrated and that they've had to sit down and negotiate deals where it's like, look. You can talk about seed oils, but you can't talk about
vaccines anymore. We can solve this problem over here. We'll let you do that, but you're not gonna upset this over there. And because you're right. It is all cartels. There's money flowing in certain directions, and any truth that's a threat to that has to be carefully negotiated down so that the same old people can make the same amounts of money. But in terms of infiltration, it's just funny you bring it up because that conversation, though I think it might be naive, is happening right
now. I'm curious what you think. Well, Greg, I believe that these appointments, like RFK Jr, have to be approved by Congress. Right? And so if and when that happens, that's really the determining factor. Is he ever gonna do anything? And then you're right. He can talk about seed oils, but he might be told not to talk about this, that, or the other thing. Lot of Kennedys have been bumped off. That's a scary thing.
But the government of Mexico, I found this very interesting, apparently begged its cartels to please put their profits in the national banks because, otherwise, there would be no Mexico. Right. You do talk about that a good amount and just really how interconnected everything is because these cartels and these black markets, it all does go back quite far and it is all integrated. There's kind of a love triangle between the cartels, the Mexican government, and even
the US government. You mentioned that if the drug business vanished, the US economy would shrink 19 to 22%, and the Mexican economy would shrink 63%, and
those numbers are pretty staggering. I've even heard Catherine Austin Fitz talk about how in the US, all the way down to the street level, drug trafficking is oftentimes the only money flowing through poor inner city communities, and it ends up propping up mom and pop restaurants or barbershops or whatever local community there is because the only people who have the money to spend in the community is
people selling drugs. Even the corporate chains would probably close a few locations if that drug money wasn't circulating through those neighborhoods. So it is just interesting to think about the domino effect of it all. We do have a president who's saying we should call the cartels a terrorist organization and use the full weight of the military. Now that could just be the idea that military contractors came up with trying to find a new conflict to spend the big budget on and
to justify an even bigger budget. But, yeah, everything is really integrated, and it seems like both economies would suffer greatly if something was actually done about the drug trade. Greg, I read a fantastic book, and I ordered so many copies of it. I really want people to read this book. It's in my store, avatar products.com, and it's called Down by the River. It's by a very, very amazing writer. Every line he writes is fantastic to the ear. Alright. So his name is Charles Bowden, and this
book is Down by the River. And everyone who lives in America and who lives in Mexico should really read this book. Down by the River, Charles Boden. So it was written in 2002, and it's about the West Texas border town of El Paso, which faces the city of Juarez in the state of Chihuahua, and the Rio Grande kind of flows between the two cities. And El Paso Juarez is an interface that is very interesting and really kind of replicates this relationship between America and Mexico.
Somebody I know who lived in El Paso for many years told me it's not even America. It is a crazy place. And Juarez is even worse. Okay? It is so poor. And all these people in Mexico, these young, able people, they filter into the cities of Mexico looking for work, and there's no work. The Mexican economy has really been destroyed by a series of, we'll put in quotes, presidents. And I go through that in this particular newsletter, and Boden goes through that in the book.
But he writes, and it was kind of shocking for me to read this and consider it, that the drug merchants in Mexico are really the most honest players in the land. And these people who come into the cities and look for work and they don't find work, well, there are drugs. There's drugs that you can run even though there's no work. So they take on whatever tasks they have within the cartels as farriers or god knows what. I don't know how it all works.
But these drug merchants, vicious, greedy, murderous as they are, they employ people based on their talents. They're not concerned with sex, race, class, color, religion. And they are also, Boden writes, one of the few industries in the developing sectors of the earth that really do redistribute income. And this is what you just said. They do so at a level without parallel. Okay. Money is dispersed among people who really need it, but it is a drug industry that they're participating
in. This is way more money than in these sweatshops where they have to stitch garments for people to buy from Target and Walmart on the other side of the border. So drugs as a major part of the economy of Mexico and America, put money directly in the hands of the poor who need it, and they can't get it in any other kind of job sector. Yeah. It's a little strange how it's kinda got a little bit of a Robin Hood effect, you could say. Yes. Exactly.
So if you take away and Boden wrote this book in the early 2000. Alright? So Juarez, I read in my newsletter, decorated by mudhuts and raw sewage, is looking across the river at a first world economy. And that's really how the world is. There's a separation between very poor brown skinned people who toil away and do whatever they can to be like the much richer white skinned people on the other side of the tracks.
So I am actually continuing this discussion in my current newsletter, but you asked what's gonna happen. Are there well intentioned people who are coming into political office now, and are they gonna make a change in the country? Look. I don't know. I don't have a crystal ball. We hope, but we could get metaphysical about this. I don't know if we should. We should. Really? Okay. What do you mean by getting metaphysical about this? Alright. So how do I say this?
I think we live in a dimension that is always going to booby trap us and oppress us. And it's really about how we meet these booby traps and how we meet these constant challenges. Now, you know, if you look at a sparrow, I always observe small creatures. I live on a canyon, and these creatures are constantly flittering about. They're frightened a lot of the time. They're always looking over their shoulders. You make the slightest move, and they will hop
off or fly off or whatever. And that's kind of how we are in our lives, but we want to be propped up by the state. We expect that our economy and our integration into this system, when we turn the tap, the water should flow. When we flip the light switch, we should have light. I mean, what would it be like? I bought a book that is about the history of light and how people had to dip candles and how smelly they were and how laborious it was to make a candle out of beef tallow.
And here we waltz into our room. We just hit the switch and there's power. And then we complain that the utility company is charging us so much for the bill. You know? But would we like to dip candles? Would we like to save our beef fat? We don't think in those terms anymore. We don't think how much time and how much labor and energy and planning it took to survive.
You know? Right. Even travel too. Like, it'd be really hard for a person a few 100 years ago to grow up in Missouri, move to California, and then move to Florida, yet I took it for granted that it was quite easy to do. Yeah. Because you had U Haul, and you had a plan you could visit first. I mean, think how long it took. When I was a little girl in the 5th grade, we had an assignment.
It was a class assignment. We got to make a giant mural for the hallway of the school, and everybody had a piece of American history, I think it was, and a part of the mural to put a painting or drawing on. And my part of the mural was the far end, and I decided I don't know what the actual topic was that I was given, but my part was the picture of a covered wagon, and it said on it California or bus. And that's where I've ended up.
Yeah. I mean, it is crazy when you think about all the modern conveniences we have and the complaints that we have as well. There's a Louis c k bid, I believe, or maybe it was Bill Burr where he talks about complaining about cell phones not working, and it's like, give it a second. It's going to space and back. You know, like, these things, I mean
and who knows if that's even true? But the point still stands that there's a lot of complex technology that we complain about when it doesn't work 100% of the time, even though it might be killing us. But let's get back to the metaphysical thing and the idea of what is this realm. People use the term prison planet. People say we live in a hell dimension. It's just kind of
masked a little bit. If anyone saw that show, The Good Place, spoiler alert, that is sort of what it is, is that you don't know you're in hell because the things are only slightly inconveniencing, but all the time, and it stacks up, and you're like, man, what is happening here? And I guess that's kinda what you're getting at is that this realm, this planet, it seems designed to keep us down to
have this predator prey relationship, maybe. Some people say it's a human energy farm for transdimensional intelligences. I don't know, but that's what you mean by metaphysical. Right? It's probably not that the new administration is gonna save the day because no one saves the day here. No one saves the day. Listen. We can improve our own course through the day, But I'm going to segue, and you're not prepared. So you're gonna have to fly by the seat of your pants.
I'm ready. So I wrote a newsletter in February 2022. I don't know what it was called, but it was about a book called Proof of Heaven by Eben Alexander. Have you ever heard of this guy? The name of the book sounds familiar. Alright. So my YouTube feed led me to a talk that was given in a church in Minnesota. It was by doctor Evan Alexander, who was a nonbeliever. He was a Harvard trained neurosurgeon, and he worked at some, you know, swanky hospital in Virginia. And he woke up one
morning, and he didn't feel well. And this is very unusual for him. So he told his wife he wanted to stay in bed a little longer, and his condition got worse within the hour, and he ended up having to be taken to the ER. And he says in his book that he apparently had this horrible bacterial meningitis. He said, I slipped into grand mal seizures and was rushed off to the emergency room where a very astute physician realized I might
have meningitis, did a lumbar puncture. And when the fluid surrounding brain and spinal cord came out of my back, it was thick white pus under pressure. The doctor later told me that when she saw that, she knew I was dead. I was put on 3 very powerful antibiotics, and by the end of the week, they had tripled beyond the maximum dose, one of those antibiotics trying to turn me around. I was down to a 2% chance of survival.
Alright. So even Alexander was in a coma for a week, and he was surrounded by all his friends because he was in a hospital that he worked at. And it turns out that during this week, he went on this incredible journey, and he went to all these realms. I'm getting terrible chills while I'm saying this. So what what do chills mean, Greg? People everywhere tell me if you get chills like that, it means it's true. Right? Sure. Okay. So he says that
he lay unconscious. Right? And he I write in my newsletter, doctor Alexander had been a hard science type all his life with no belief in heaven or God and very little understanding of what is consciousness as neurosurgeons operate only on the gelatinous brain itself. Neurosurgeons don't know much about consciousness. So, anyway, all I knew, he says, when I came back to this world 7 days later, was this brilliant, incredible, ultra real spiritual journey I had been on deep in coma.
Now the me before would have told you that such an illness, given that kind of severe bacterial meningitis, is the perfect model for human death. In fact, it's so perfect that nobody practically ever comes back to tell the tale. Given the destruction of my brain that was apparent to my doctors through my neurologic exams and scans and lab values, I should have had no experience at all while comatose. But he had an amazing journey, Greg. And he talks about how we really are connected
into all these other realm. So I'm gonna say something that I thought of last night. I've never thought of this before. And it was in the middle of the night and I'm going, my god, I need to write this down. I'm never gonna remember this, But you, Greg, in this interview have churned it up again. So we have the 3 dimensions of our world. Dimension 2 is a flat surface, and dimension 3 is if you do geometry x, y, and the z axis. So the first dimension would be just
a dot. 2nd dimension would be width and length, and the third dimension would be depth. But the minute you add movement, you're in another dimension. And movement that comes from life is yet another dimension. Right? And then there's intention. There's realms of possibility. Will this entity in this space, will it go here? Will it go there? Will it do this? Will it do that? Is it doing it intentionally? Is it doing it because it's been influenced by other
forces and factors? So now we're entering into what's called multidimensionality, realms of possibility. And realms of possibility unfold our lives. I don't know if that's grammatical, but you know what I'm saying? You could have never left California. You could have never left Missouri. You could have gone to Georgia instead of Florida. And there are all these possibilities, but your intention took you. You were a factor in your own movement.
So Alexander says that the brain is a collapsing device. The place he went was I mean, he rode on a butterfly wing with a beautiful girl. You can't come back as a neurosurgeon and start babbling about this. And his pals at the hospital told him, this is a trick of the brain. You were never in any beautiful realm. There weren't angels singing. I mean, all this music and
stuff. So this was he had an afterlife experience, and it was so powerful that it caused him to stop his neurosurgery altogether, trying to explain and explore this thing called consciousness. So if you read the book, and I think it's also very worth reading, they're diametrically opposed down by the river, Charles Boden, about the cartels and then this. Right?
And he connected with what he calls the great Aum, a u m. And he calls it Aum because he doesn't wanna call it god because that's too conventional a word. So Aum is writes I'm referring to what some might call God. Others might call Allah, Brahmin, Vishnu, Jehovah, Yahweh. I don't care what the words are. The words get in the way. They make it look like it's an intellectual discussion. High school, college debate. It's not. That world is absolutely real.
And he says that now I'm gonna say this because I think it's very interesting. Right before he got into that world, Greg so the first place he went in his coma was this horrible, horrible, dark space, and he said he was caught in it. And
he was terrified by it. He said it was a claustrophobic muddy underworld that echoed with, and I'm gonna quote him, a deep rhythmic pounding like the sound of metal against metal as if a giant subterranean blacksmith was pounding an anvil somewhere, pounding it so hard that the sound vibrates through the earth or the mud that he was in or wherever it is that you are. I didn't have a body. I was simply there in this place of pulsing, pounding darkness.
The longer I stayed in this place, the less comfortable I became feeling like I wasn't really part of this subterranean world at all, but trapped in it. Grotesque animal faces bubbled out of the muck, groaned and screeched, and then were gone again. I heard an occasional dull roar. Sometimes those roars change to dim rhythmic chants, chants that were both terrifying and weirdly familiar as if at some point I'd known and uttered them myself.
The more the faces that bubbled up out of that darkness became ugly and threatening, the rhythmic pounding off in the distance sharpened and intensified as well became the work beat for some army of troll like underground laborers performing some endless brutally monotonous tasks. The movement around me was as if reptilian worm like creatures were crowding past, occasionally rubbing up against me with their smooth or spiky skims. So what would you call this? Hell? Right?
I mean, he's in it. He's trapped. It's dark. He hears droning, moaning, like other people being trapped. He hears pounding, and then these reptilian things are swishing past him, touching him. So he said it had this dank smell of biological death. Garros. Right? And he stuck there. And then the darkness began to break as a pure white light descended, obliterating the pounding, spinning around and around and generating filaments, tinged with gold. And so it pulled him out of there. And then
he found Greg this. What's very interesting that he could leave through this channel of light, and he could come back. And he could leave, and he could come back. And he was in control. So what am I gonna say something? Well, yeah, it's a really interesting story. I'm trying to stay quiet when you're talking because you're not wearing a headset, and I do hear myself coming through sometimes, and I don't wanna talk over you.
But yeah. Obviously, it's a fascinating story. I'm the first one to love a story like that. How literal do you take that, or what insights do you extract from that? So I call this the iconic underworld, and I think it's a bordering dimension to what we're in right now, and I think the bad guys pull from it. I think they're CERN, Hadron Collider. When they look for God, they're going into this area, this place, and they're pulling energy
from it. And they've mixed this energy in with our world and our cultures and our thinking. And they're succeeding because we don't realize that we are beyond all this, and we can do what Alexander did. We can go up that filigree light channel and interact with that higher realm as much as we want. But we can't, he says, because our brain is controlling us. I've taken a talk that he did at the annual conference of the International Association of NDEs, Near Death Experiences.
He says that this world is a murky little shadow world, that world through the light. And I haven't described much of what he encountered there, but it was beautiful music in all different realms, and the great aunt was there, and there's butterflies and whatnot, you know, beautiful things. And this is universal throughout different cultures. People who have NDEs, they see this stuff. They experience this stuff.
Right. I've heard a lot of those stories, and something else I think is interesting that I wanna slide in here just to connect it back to modern conveniences a little bit, it's interesting how many modern conveniences have a kind of a darkness to them. You could even say the water pipes we take for granted. Well, it's also a fluoride distribution network, and it's a distribution network to give toxic water to people. You could talk about the power grid. Sure.
We have lights. Great. Well, if you've read the invisible rainbow, the whole electrification of the Earth might be responsible for a lot of sickness, including the flu season, oddly enough. And then you have all these people who are inventors or have come up with some kind of technology, and even though it's something that is a convenience to people, it always has a dark edge. Even the WiFi, you know, the WiFi router. People are like, oh, I'm so glad I can connect
without the wires. And then it's like, yeah. Now your circadian rhythm is messed up. Your mitochondrial DNA is damaged. To bring up another neurosurgeon, Jack Crews, I saw you posted a presentation that he did, and he talks about how blue light makes us fat. It's causing the dysregulation of our bodies and damaging the mitochondria. He's always big on that. Super interesting guy.
And he has talked about all the patents on the digital screens, the ones we're using right now, that they were engineered for maximum damage and mind control because of the mental states that the blue light from these screens puts us in. He's talked about how they could've built them several different ways, but they used the insights from MK Ultra and other things to make them as damaging as possible without anyone really noticing. And he was in deep talks with RFK
Junior and Nicole Shanahan. I mean, she was chosen as the running mate because she was hip to this from her marriage with Google cofounder Sergey Brin. And it gets scary. It seems like all this technology is intentionally weaponized. And just while we're still in this first hour here, I wanted to slide in a quote from a totally unrelated thing you wrote about friendships versus bot ships where we're seeing more and more people in this lonely reality go to AI and bots for companionship.
And you said this, Geoffrey Hinton and George Bole and a few human genius types in between can be credited with the creation of AI, which has not yet reached its apotheosis. Hinton, a British computer scientist, is the great grandson of Bohl who was a self taught logician and mathematician born in the early 1800. Bohl had a mystical experience at the age of 17 that spurred him to figure out for mankind
the mathematics of human reasoning and thought. He almost got there giving us an investigation of the laws of thought and his own system of symbiotic logic based on a yes no on off methodology. 90 years later, Claude Shannon, a graduate student at MIT, applied his two value approach to electronics and the information age was born. So I've done other interviews about aspects of technology, the transistor.
It always seems to come with this trickster aspect to it, or iconic aspect to it, or demonic aspect to it, where it's like here's a gift, but a gift with a twist that will slowly kill you. And it's just weird that even in this context, I read that because you're talking about the information age and some of its foundations, and this guy had a mystical experience at 17. I'd like to know more about that. Did he tap into this iconic underworld and get some insight that ended up putting us on
this dark path? Hard to say, but do you know much more about his mystical experience? I looked to see if I could find anything about it, and it's referred to, but I searched for quite a while. I didn't find any details. I mean, he was very young, so maybe people didn't believe him. Maybe he never wrote it down. Who knows? But it triggered. Right? So this is what Alexander tells us. He says that consciousness is not created by the brain. So
I'm going back to the dimensions. We are multidimensional. We have intention, will. We have this thing called consciousness, which apparently can travel us into these realms with angels and harps and whatnot, and we can meet the great awe if we want to. Right?
So he says that if you believe the brain is creating consciousness, the only thing that would be going on is chemical reactions, physics, chemistry, biology, all those laws being followed by the molecules in your brain and all simply chemical reactions. Free will and consciousness would be considered illusions of those chemical reactions. But my journey showed me the exact opposite is the case. So he says, Greg, that we are conscious
in spite of our brain. Our brain is there to act as a reducing valve or filter. Because if we had all of consciousness at our fingertips all the time, we would be overwhelmed, and we would never get anything done. We would never make our beds and brush our teeth and do this linear stuff. And, I mean, I think these guys pull technology, but they are pairing themselves with this iconic underworld. A lot of these people who invent these things. I mean,
there are purists who are inventors. Like, we could take Tesla as an example. And then the fiends descend on the purists and take their work and channel it into their own markets with their own programs and agendas. So if you had consciousness at your disposal, I wrote, you would never be fascinated by the polychrome sewage of your cell phone. So he says, Alexander, during the brain based physical portion of our existence, and that's what you're talking about. All this technology is brain based.
It's linear. It's very complex. It's so complex that for people like us who aren't schooled in it, it seems abstract. It seems spatial. We cannot hold all these details in our brains. And I was talking to a physicist engineer yesterday, and he was explaining something about capacitors to me. I could barely understand it, and yet it's very, very linear for him. So our brain blocks out or veils that larger cosmic background just as the sun's light blocks the stars.
We can only see what our brain's filter allows. Okay? The brain, particularly its left side linguistic logical part that which generates our sense of rationality and the feeling of being a sharply defined ego or self is a barrier to our higher knowledge or experience. So how much of our waking life do you consider to be somewhat manufactured or
limited down by our brain? You started talking kind of about the wide range of dimensions and possibility and that the brain reduces and collapses us down to the one reality, the shared reality that we're in. But how intertwined is the iconic underworld and these potentially even positive realms that we just don't even know are there? Alright. So this is what I wrote in my newsletter. This was my February 2022 newsletter. Okay. So I finally started to get it.
If my brain is a collapser, a filter, something that shrinks down the eternal vastness and light and brilliance of the core of all so that I can retain my senses and function here. See, it's all about functionality. You wouldn't function. You would be tripping out all the time. So the brain allows you to function here. Then I wrote, how it does this rendering must be something that my own particular logic slash ego slash self has a role in designing.
I should spend less time rationalizing down into functionality and more time stretching up towards the divine. Doctor Alexander points out that we should not have to rely on a catastrophic health event to bring us to the edge of death to gain this understanding. So I wrote, why not just fortify your divinity? And that is up to you how you choose to do that. These dark individuals are not fortifying their divinity. The Apples and the Googles
are not fortifying their divinity. They're pulling our conic stuff, and they're introducing it to you. And they're enthralling you and entrancing you with it. So that's where I am. That that phrase, fortify your divinity, that is up to you. I like it. And do you think this is a conscious relationship between the inventors of Silicon Valley, the makers of all this technology, and the something else, the iconic underworld. Well, they definitely
like to play with it. I mean, if you've ever read about Jack Parsons, is that his name, and the stuff that was going on in his labs and how attuned they tried to be to that iconic place. Even Alexander doesn't call it the iconic underworld. That's my word for it after reading about it. I'm going, my gosh, this slime, This is where they're pulling energy from and add mixing it with our world, and we're falling prey to it. We're sitting ducks because we're not fortifying our divinity enough, dude.
Right on, sister. So what should we do? That is the question. The people who are really concerned about CERN think that they could be doing something there that would break reality, and it would cause these two places to be so intertwined that you couldn't separate them out again. The people who are worried about the COVID shots, for example, would say that the gene pool and the DNA of humanity has been completely altered and it won't go back.
So some of these people are working on things that have serious consequences that can't really be unraveled, and I do think that's a huge concern. Greg, I almost dare not mention this because I started to carry sulfur in my store, MSM, methylsulfonylmethane sulfur. Methylsulfonylmethane is known as MSM sulfur, sometimes called organic sulfur, and it only is called organic because it contains a carbon atom, 2 in fat. So here's the thing. Our soil is messed up.
The iconic underworld relationship that you know, the American government paid growers in the 19 fifties to start using chemical pesticides and fertilizers. Why? Because those were post war industries that didn't have any place to go or goods to sell. So our soil has become so deeply eroded and wrecked by the presence of all these chemical that we don't get the elements that we need. Those elements being iodine, magnesium, sulfur,
very basic stuff. You can look at these elements in the periodic table. But the sulfur cycle of the Earth has been interrupted, and I write this in a flyer that goes out with every order of sulfur. But one of the things that sulfur does is it's a chelating agent. So I have strung a few dots together. This is my own theory that these vaxxes have a lot of heavy metals in them.
And the metals, according to Anna Meholtia, who's done a lot of research on this, the metals provide the conductive medium that is necessary because it facilitates bioelectricity, piezo electricity within the body, and these undisclosed ingredients that are nanotechnological in nature that are said to be replicating and making more of themselves and creating systems and devices within us.
Those things cannot manufacture themselves without conductivity in the bloodstream, which is provided by the metals. So sulfur chelates or removes the metal. So the more you remove the metallic content of your bloodstream, the less of a chance you give this stuff to generate. So that's one reason why I think it's so important to be using sulfur on a daily basis because it is no longer in the soil. And the plants aren't getting it. They're not
able to store it. It was plants that gave us sulfur because they store it and gave the animals. It's very important for mammalian metabolism. So you say there's no recourse, but there are these recourses. These are things that you have to really dig to find, and then you have to try them, and you have to see how well they work. But we are experimental victims in this very oppressive realm. That doesn't mean that we're going to all die and have a terrible time.
But I can't see ways to completely turn this around and make it a paradise, which is what a lot of people talk about. Oh, this could be a paradise. I don't think it was ever a paradise. I see what you're saying. Yeah. It seems like just look at any era, and it seems as if there is a 1% of some kind that is enslaving all the people in a given space, and that goes back to the beginning of history as far as
we know. And it might even go back to the origins of people because so many talk about gold and us being invented or strongly engineered and encouraged to mine gold, and that's why we're obsessed with gold and the conquistadors were obsessed with gold and all this kind of stuff. I mean, who really knows? But, definitely, the system is built on the exploitation of many by a few. Yeah. And we
we walk right into that. We are herd animals, and I don't think we know the difference between following and being exploited. I mean, when a leader shows up and says, I will lead you. I'm just speaking very loosely. People go, yes, lovely. Do that. We'll follow you. But then that turns into exploitation and it's just so natural for human beings to follow a leader that they don't seem to be able to do much with the exploitation.
I agree with that as well. It almost seems like we've been engineered that way or it's a part of the superstructure that is this dimension. People say it's a human energy farm, that the reason why there's so much cultivated negative energy is because there's something else feeding on that. Right. That's that relationship with the arkonic underworld.
So as we're kinda circling around the 2 hour mark, I wanted to make sure we do save time to re mention your products in the avatar store because this is the part where everybody, 1st and second hour people, would hear it. Tell them about some of the new additions, the keyboard grounding pad, the RF modem router guard, sulfur, iodine, magnesium, ion. Okay. So listen. I've tried nicely, and I've tried in a harsh punitive way to tell people to go on
Ethernet. Why are your computers stop sleeping with that router pinging all night in the next room? And people don't do it. So there's a router guard. It's a low tech, no brainer. It's silver mesh. It's a bag. You drop it over your router. It has a drawstring. It will cut the signal. I've come across one person with a router whose signal that just doesn't cut. I don't know what to do about that guy's router. I don't I told him,
just get another one. Get another router. And it cuts the signal, but the Wi Fi still works. It's just weakened. Absolutely. The radiation is lowered by 30 to 80%. The Wi Fi still works. And if you wanna increase the Wi Fi signal, let's just say you pull the bag tight, it's a drawstring. I mean, how low tech can you get? You open the drawstring a little bit and boom, you get more signal. So at night, you could tighten the string and you don't get irradiated as much. So
anyway, that's a good thing. Then there's sulfur. I've sold a lot of sulfur in the last couple of months, and I dread another avalanche of sulfur orders, but I'm happy to send it around. It's just tremendous. Someday we should do a show on sulfur if I cross your path again. Of course, you would. Hopefully, I will. Then there's Wiley's wash soap, laundry powder, and you can scrub your counters with it. The soap bars, they're on the sun and skin page. My
friend makes them. He's a tremendous soap maker. He left a 6 figure corporate job to make soap. He's tremendous. Very, very amazing soap bars. They last longer than other soaps. Men can wash their hair, shave with this. He has, like, all different kinds of soaps, and I have the grab bag. I buy different kinds from him, and for a little bit less, I will pick the cars for you. Most people love everything. He even has, you know, pine tar, gum turpentine. These come from the resin of pine trees.
People think turpentine is an industrial solvent, but it's not. It's from the pine tree. So, anyway, that's the story of Avatar Products, and I appreciate anyone who buys from me. I usually end up sometimes when I have to have communication with a customer, I meet somebody really fantastic. My customers are wonderful people. You guys, wonderful people. I like it. And of course, people can get the newsletter by going to your website about the sky.com.
They can follow through the links there, but it's great to talk to you again. I apologize that it's been so long. I mean, I don't think anybody that I talk to now can say that we started in 2013 going back to the 60th show ever recorded. So to me, that is a big deal, and I just appreciate what you do. You are a legend in the space. If I think about the last one we did, it was 2021,
and it was largely about terrain theory. And I think around that time, I was just a little sick of the health stuff because it dominated so much of the COVID chapter, and you've got a new level, a new roster of people like doctor Andy Wakefield and Malone and a lot of these doctors, Jessica Rose, who were doing the rounds on podcast. And I was just like, man, I need some other topics besides health. It can't be
all health shows all the time. So I think that's probably how the gap started, and then, you know, life just gets in the way. But I'm glad we could do it again. No. I'm very happy because people wrote to me and said, why aren't you on higher side chats? I said, I tried to email him and he doesn't respond. So maybe that's why didn't know. But, Greg, I just wanna blow your mind here. Please do. So we talked about cartels at the beginning
of this show. Right? And I read that book by Charles Bowden, who actually ventured into Mexico and met with some of these nefarious characters and heard these terrible stories. And the book is a thick book. He spent years researching this book. And then I opened my favorite Harper's Magazine, and I don't read these magazines in sequence. So I have, like, a pile of Harper's. I just pick 1 and start reading it. And this is July 2023. It's a book review. And here's the book title.
Drunk cartels do not exist, but Oswaldo Zavala, played it by William Savinor, Vanderbilt University Press, 206 pages, 3495. Wow. There are people in Mexico, and these are people who have their feet on the ground, who've had family members killed, dismembered, hanging from bridges, that kind of thing. Right? And they say drug cartels do not exist. You know who it is according to them? The police and politicians. So I was reading this thinking, oh my god. Here's one guy who says drug cartels,
you know, and everyone. All these people talking about cartels. We have movies about them. And then comes this guy who writes a book. It doesn't exist. So that's the beauty of our world. Well, I definitely think the dividing line between cartels and police and government and all that, it's, more blurred than ever for sure. Maybe it always was, which is the argument he's presenting, it seems. Yeah. So I'm gonna send you this article, and you can read it. It's a book review. I appreciate that.
Well, again, thank you for your time. Thank you for all the great work you do for sending me the newsletters, and I'm glad that we could talk about some off the radar stuff today. I'm glad that my avocado blood money quota has been filled for episode topics. Good. You can take a rest now. Indeed. Alright. Well, enjoy the rest of your day. Enjoy luxurious California like I once did, and take care. Thank you. Goodbye, everyone. Alright. Sophia Smallstorm back in the hot seat.
It has been a long time. Obviously, we talked about that, but she is great. I don't have a good reason as to why it's been so long. I think maybe with our last one being during the COVID aftermath and her being such a health focused guest, maybe I just wanted to lay all that down for a bit, but she's obviously versatile. And she's one of those few people that I think of as really embodying the best parts of the Californian archetype. I am familiar with the community she lives
in. It's a little bit small. It's off the radar. Local business supporting, Corporate chain rejecting. High quality food and products, and homelessness is not a problem, and there's walkable everything. It's a dream, really. It's the California you see in the movies, but it's not the California talked about on the news. I can say having moved that, yeah, there's a lot of political freedom in Florida contrasted to California, but it's also kind of a food desert.
It's hard to find organic food here. It's hard to find locally grown organic for sure. It's not something that the culture here really respects or prioritizes, and it's been a bit of a problem. It's a huge contrast. And one of the main things I miss about that Californian culture, the farmers markets, the acknowledgments of how important it is to let money flow within the community, all that kind of stuff. But her and I are just in different
stages of life. For someone starting a young family in the 20 twenties with the prices in areas like hers already well out of reach, it just isn't gonna work. So I will take a little gentle ribbing about leaving, but there's plenty I miss and also plenty I don't. However, I was thinking more about the cartels and avocados, and I do find it to be an interesting story along with just how dependent the whole nation well, theirs and ours, I guess. Both nations are dependent on the drug trade.
And for the cartels, strategically, yes. Use the extra cash to compromise other markets that are easier to be legitimized in.
Obviously, pretty smart of them, but it's really not much different than, say, the jaquita banana story, you know, the Banana Republic term, the whole thing of lobbying to use the might of the military, or the CIA, to compromise growing areas for these corporations, to stage coups, to get these leaders in the third world, in the tropical areas, to be basically just puppets for one of our corporations? It happens all the time. And, of course, we like our gangsterism to be civilized.
But it's not all that different than what the cartels do, and I'm sure this is part of the argument that cartels make all the time to justify their actions. But, yes, another example of me just kinda booking guests without paying much attention to the dates and what's going on in the world. And I'm sure this would have been a bit more current and relevant if we had recorded right after the inauguration instead of days before.
Maybe it's better because then we can't just talk about all the other things that other shows are talking about, but, clearly, a lot has happened. And I think a good chunk of the country just wants action. I saw some statistics lately that young people in the US and Europe are way more willing to accept dictatorship, and it was presented as a very scary thing to see in our youth and right. Yeah. I don't want dictatorship either.
But to play devil's advocate for them, anyone under 40 has just seen election after election where we get all these empty promises and then, oops, congress is gridlocked. Nobody will work with anybody. Here comes another filibuster. Here's another 55% vote when 68% is required. It's always the excuse. Right? So when I see a stat like that, I just think that younger people in particular are like, fine. I guess I'm okay with moving that direction because it seems like the only way to do anything.
And so Trump signed over a 100 executive orders so far in 11 days and undid, like, 70 of Biden's. And, look, you'd have to go through each one and decide how you feel about it, but I see both the excitement over just getting to fucking work and the concerns over, hey. What happened to going through the appropriate channels for some of this stuff? Do we really wanna set a precedent of government by decree? And even for the Trump fans, fine. You
like the guy. Good. Well, he's only gonna be in office for 4 years, and then we've set a precedent for someone you might not like. It's difficult. Difficult nuanced stuff. But, of course, we got a big announcement about project Stargate. Such an esoterically drenched name for basically a smart city AI infrastructure deal. I'm sure we'll be talking about that for years. And we got all this talk about Doge and smaller government and eliminating all this
bloat. Great. Again. Sure. But a lot of alternative people are saying that what's actually happening is these positions are being cleared out, so there's no resistance left to these sweeping changes. Many of which are not going to be good. And I think we gotta ask if we're in the middle of an AI war already. What's going on with these planes and these collisions and these crashes? You know? I think there's some real behind the curtain kind of stuff going on, and we've talked
about the Talpiot program in the past. I think something like that might be happening with China too. I heard one journalist break it down as that we might not know why these planes crashed or collided until a few years down the road when China wants to take Taiwan or wants to do something. And they call the president and say, hey. Remember those crashes? Wouldn't it be a shame if that happened 100 of more times this week?
Maybe you should focus on that and let us do what we're doing, or take these tariffs off, or whatever. Leverage is leverage. I'm just curious if these computer systems are compromised and this is just the tip of the iceberg. That would be my big concern. They can make some planes collide today, but what about this spilling into critical infrastructure, killing the power or water in big cities? I mean, we don't do any of our
own shit. You can criticize the tariff play, but at this point, if you were given the wheel, how do you incentivize people to build stuff here? Because building stuff here is the only way that we maybe get some of the jobs back and also control our own production. If you want to reel back globalism in a world dominated by financial incentives, then you have to use some kind of financial incentive to
move the needle back the other way. I mean, who knows what's really going on behind the scenes, but on the surface level, that makes logical sense to me. But so much is happening so fast. It's hard to really keep track of and make a proper assessment of before you're hit with some next thing. But I can say I don't trust the Tech bro administration, and I think they might be grossly outplayed and out of their depth. But what are you gonna do?
Pay attention to the things you can control and have the grace to ignore the rest or something like that. I don't know. I never went to AA, but that's the motto. And we can say no to jabs, and we can try to have our own backup power and good local food supplies and unplug from the Internet when we need it. And then you just kinda gotta let the chips fall where they may. And that said, I did have a good time today, though. Shouldn't wait so long next
time to check-in with Sofia. She really is willing to go anywhere. It took us a minute to get going, but I think when we opened it up towards the end of the first hour and then into the second hour, we started cooking with gas. We talked about grounding and electron deficiency and cellular repair, corruption in the silver and gold markets, abusive mining of the Sarawico mountain, and then we dared to mention Sandy Hook and what Sofia called the arkonic
nerve. I like that term that there's these things that are just that level 11. Don't go there. You're hitting the iconic nerve. And we mentioned at least one other thing that might be such a nerve, but all good stuff. The full 2 hour interview is always better and deeper than just the first. So often I hear from people, well, I never signed up because I just felt the first hour was enough. I felt like it was complete.
But that is why I tried to at least bullet point a few of the topics in the second hour, but it's always deeper and better because we get more comfortable as we go along. Sometimes get a little more loose lipped, if you know what I'm saying. And we got almost 8 100 great interviews in that archive for Plus members. Come on in. The water's fine. Use the link right at the top of the show notes and see for yourself. And Hire side news, the big Hire Soup event is happening and
the details are ironed out. Gordon and I are gonna be doing a free live talk and hangout on March 8th at High Springs Brewing in High Springs, Florida noonish till about 5 PM. Could we have sold tickets to this? Yeah. Could we have called in some other people and tried to make it a bigger thing, maybe a multi day event? Oh, yeah. We could have. But I don't like seeing these big conferences with these $2, $300 ticket prices. It gets a little crazy, so we said,
whatever. We're gonna do a smaller thing. What more do you need besides a card table and me and Gordon having some topics to talk about? Some drinks, some company, and a good hang, And why do you need to charge for that? So let's see what happens. We've never put out a free event to the wider unpaid audience before, so we really don't know what kind of turnout to expect.
Usually, when we combine the tribes, we keep it to members only so as to not overwhelm any business or coffee shop that we might be using just to know we have a more managed situation. Because when we did Austin, we didn't charge either, but we only told our inner circle. And this time, we're just gonna go for it. Life is short. Events like these are rare. Come join the fun. The guys at High Springs are listeners, and you might recall me calling out a few of their meetups in the past.
So we're in good company, but it is an out of the way place, not too close to any major city. And here in comes the second layer of the event. We are renting a party bus here in Tampa to drive us there and back, and that is open to you as well. The bus is not free, though. It's $75. Kinda sucks, but that is just the cost of the bus divided by the seats on it. So you can get yourself to High Springs and hang out with both of us and a bunch of like minded people for free. Just have a good time.
Or you can hop on the bus with us in Tampa, and it is a 2 hour trip there. And there is a bathroom on the bus, and it's drink friendly, so we're gonna be having some good pregame fun. And then, of course, we will bring you back in the evening. The bus will be meeting in front of the Tampa Theater, a landmark that anyone in Tampa knows. And hot tip, Supernatural is next door, and they make the best
breakfast sandwiches in the city. So I see myself smoking a joint in the park across the street, grabbing a coffee and a breakfast sandwich and some beers for the road and hopping on that bus and having a good time with the people. If you wanna go to the event, please RSVP on the event page at higher side meetups.com. We just wanna have a decent idea of how many people will show up, and that's also where you will find the link to secure a bus seat if you wanna do that too.
Not bad to have a sober driver back to the city. Right? So I just had to let you guys know about that. I'm glad we're able to bring High Springs Brewing some business since they are kind of in the network and just good people. I guess you can call me the Dave Portnoy of conspiracy podcast, and we're supporting local businesses. But I don't wanna get too ahead of myself before we go over other things on the meetup calendar. We gotta go over the
rating of the last episode. Andrew Collins, a legend in the ancient hidden history space, and I coulda called it with my eyes closed. 4.7. I expect no less. He is the man. He can talk plasmas, shamanism, megalithic sites, Anunnaki, mystic religious relics, all sorts of great things, and the overlap between all of them. I love how he gives his take on the foundation of a lot of religious myths and tropes. I'm largely on that page.
We had a few people grumbling about some comments he made about black holes. Sure. Be that as it may, great episode. And, you know, sometimes I listen to a guy like Andrew Collins, and I start thinking about the D Wave computer or looking at, like, the shape of a server farm, and I consider the black cube and how foundational it is to our religions, even the cross being an unfolded cube. What is this voice that people are picking up and is transmitting to the ark of the covenant.
I think about the cyclical nature of things and stories of highly advanced Atlantis, and I wonder if what was being worshiped or heard was some sort of supercomputer from Atlantis playing the role of God for people who were just too far removed to understand what it was or is if it's still out there. They say the truth is so shocking people
would not be able to handle it. And when you consider how religious some people are or how convinced they are of the alien motif, what if aliens and UFOs are aspects of this super system that was built by ancient humans? Who knows? That's, probably something to save for another time, but 4.7, I love it. So glad I got Andrew Collins to come on. Truly honored. I hope I did him justice. And as for the rest of the meetup calendar, February is pretty active. February 3rd, Gale Braith's
Ale House in Auckland, New Zealand. Been calling that one out for a minute. February 7th, Bunks Bar in Portland, Oregon. February 8th, Greensville, Pennsylvania, McCall Collective Tap House, February 8th as well. 3 Nations Brewing in Carlton, Texas. February 10th, Santa Fe, New Mexico at Roots and Leaves, February 15th, Vlissingen, the Netherlands, h two booster. And then, of course, it jumps to March 8th, High Springs Brewing, and the Higher Soup live talk and hang. I I say live
talk. I mean, I guess it's a live podcast. We will be recording it for a plus and premium member bonus, but whatever. Come be part of it. I'm sure there will be a lengthy q and a when we're done covering the topic that we settled on. But great. Well, that is the way the cookie crumbles. Do check out Sofia's store and blog. Sign up for her newsletter if you want that inside scoop.
I respect so much how she's managed to do her own thing, covering unique topics, every newsletter, and I'm lucky to know her. But thanks for listening. I'm calling it in. I've done my part. Your move, Arconic agents, artificial life promoters, and avocado cartels. Your fucking move. We're spiraling down, try to keep composure. So much to learn about that needs exposure. She finds a story almost any place. I'm story almost any place. We're lucky to have her tracking every kiss.
She's a small store making big Laying out more lies on a bed of broken promise. It's a rocky road. Can't drive it straight through. A letter come hide.