2025 FFPC Pros Vs. Joes Guns N' Roses Division #2 Live Draft Coverage

How high will the tight ends get pushed up tonight? Where will these twelve drafters like Jordan Addison and what will the ration be after night one of the purses follow along with the live draft board tonight, watch our pick by pick analysis as we call the action from the twenty twenty five f FPC Pros versus Joe's Guns N' Roses Division two to see who's gonna win a twenty twenty six f FPC main event squad. We've got a great show for you, Farrell Elliott and Dave Tripoli. I are here.

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You are now watching the most entertaining hour of radio on the planet. Welcome to the High Stakes Fantasy Football Hour, presented by my FFPC dot com with your hosts, Eric Balkman and Farrel Elliott. The High Stakes Fantasy Football Hour is your home or analysis from the best players in the world at now.

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Thank you, Rob Greenings and salutations to all of you balcoholics and for RELIAX. Welcome to the latest episode of the High Stakes Fantasy Football Hour, presented by the Fantasy Football Players Championship. I'm your host, Eric Bolfman. My co hosts are the definitive Commissioner of Farrell Elliott and the fourteen time FFPC League Champion Dave Tterpoli. Tonight we celebrate the second of six episodes for you that are special this summer. It's the twenty twenty five f FPC Prossses

I am so glad to be known and loved Balky. That's really great and I love it when we get to announce that terb will be joining us to and how many times champion that he's ever been. And you know, sadly those accolades do not follow my name, So tip to the cat.

Tip of the cap to one Dave Tripoli. Without further ado, the fourteenth time champ as introduced by Parrell Elliott. Dave missed you last time tonight, Man, I missed you.

Hold on, hold on.

It vibes only. I do not believe that that shirt is accurate in the words of wisdom that we will hear streaming from your mouth tonight. But I've got to tell you, we'll see. If there is anyone who should be positive, is Dave Tripoli and the lovely family should I enjoy following on Facebook much? You know?

Uh?

The great surprise last year, Balky at the live event uh in Las Vegas, is that we met Pop's turp and that was him before.

But I think it's the first time you got a chance to be.

Oh it was. It was the first time for me. And you know, Pops and I had a moment over by the bar and I said, you know, Pop's all the mischievous actions and the Terp has been responsible for it has largely been brought on by the bad influences that he's been known to affiliate and hang out with. And maybe Pop said, yeah, that's what the whole family says. And I said, well, okay, I want to be considered

Anything's possible in pros versus Joe's it is.

It was very spirited last night.

I watched it a little bit, and you guys had a good show. You had a lot of great guests. The draft didn't go to haywire. I'm ready to go tonight.

Man didn't go quick. Balkey couldn't keep up Man.

It was wild.

Nothing wrong with that.

It was wild.

It went, It went fast and furious. I am. I am in contact right now with with one uh Bryce Masters, Commissioner to the Stars, who was commissioning this draft tonight. We are missing Team one, which is Zachary Wrenz and Gerard Wrens that that and them. We're we're trying to get him and we're gonna give him a couple of minutes. If not, he's gonna be an auto.

Always, which will be a good Who would you give Team one?

Who would I give him to myself? It'll be more fun.

Just give him who what player would you put on a rosters? They don't show up, Let's.

Put some more Chase there said he's gonna take him.

Any Chase anyway, just think of somebody else.

M hm, you know, all right, stud So here so you guys pontificate, you guys pontificate over that we're gonna be getting going in less than two minutes.

Here.

I want to remind everybody that this is a twenty round best ball league. You're it's not a tournament. This is you're going against eleven other owners. The winner will get a twenty twenty six f FPC main eventry valued at well over two thousand dollars to try to win a million bucks next year. And second place we'll get a pair of socks courtesy of Farrell Elliott, which.

Was on the game A beautiful, so beautiful.

So here is tonight's lineup. We're gonna get going here in a little bit. Zachary and grud Wrenz. The Joes are drafting at one. Blair Andrews from Rodoviz is gonna be drafting second tonight. Joe Van Goh, longtime FFPC player Ben on plenty of my shows before, He's gonna be a tough, tough out tonight he is drafting third, the tight end whisperer of Farrell Andrew Cooper from Fantasy Alarm is hitting clean up tonight. Greg link Well, I believe

Real good ones out there on X.

Check it out at Drake Fantasy Matt Donnelly FF from Fantasy Points. They finished I believe, top fifteen last year and they are drafting under the eighth SOT Bob Buono is ninth ninth tonight. The King Scott Engel from Rotoballer is drafting tenth. Rob Tomasino, who farall you and I believe are going to be talking with this Friday on the High Stakes Fantasy Football Hour. He is drafting eleventh tonight.

Man?

What's happening? Dude?

So I didn't realize these uh these the prizes here. I was gonna shoot for first, but I want those socks now.

Now I'm gonna have to change read the needle, goog.

Will you be coming to the live event ed Parris? When is it? Well, that's really wrong.

I'm not gonna be able to make it.

Guys.

My daughter to my daughter two at the end of the two at the end of the month. So that's that's a tough swing for congratulations. I think we're gonna I think maybe we can we can swing it as a family trip when she's at the age where we're big.

Flights like that are possible.

I love that's been talking about his arrival, you know about having the child. That's what keeps him out of Kentucky. Uh, you know every year that child apparently is reborn. You know, she's like every year, but.

Wife wants ten kids every year having No it's crazy good to Vegas, but I can't go to Kentucky.

Yeah, Coop is on the clock right now. Guys chase Bowers, Barkley where the first three picks? Coop no chance at Bowers here. McBride's still out there. Although it would be a leap you go with b John Robinson, I guess not a surprise. Did you think that he was going to be a possibility for you at four tonight?

So here's the thing with Bowers. I typically don't go for the high end tight ends. I've talked about this with Turp. We both have similar strategies. That's what I like. That's why I like when I'm drafting. I like him to be there talking and not part of the actual draft with me. So I like you right where you

It's a Trey McBride would be the huge yin to the Yin Yang, and the Yang would obviously be a smaller one. Coop, I gotta tell you we said this last year too. With all your success, Fantasy Alarm has sort of been like the pipeline for a tight end. Whispers it used to be Howard Bender and then he

Well, the thing is, I stay plugged into the value. I will take value where it is.

So with my Yuni Yang tight end rankings, there's always a section I call the standalone tier.

These are the guys, you know, the top few guys where in a.

Typical league, not a like a typical redraft, you draft one and you're done. If you take Bowers, you're only worried about Bie Weeks. So I will keep my eye on those guys. There's definitely guys that play well into this tight end premium format where people keep in mind the premium is only for the receptions, not the yards, not the touchdowns. I think that's a big that's one of the biggest advantages you can get over casual gamers.

And forty hundred and fifty. So make sure you check the rules and you see where you're getting the bus.

Uh coop when you I know you like to take value where it comes in these drafts. Once you knew you had the four pick, do you have an idea sort of like in your mind about a few players at the one you know your as your first round pick, a few players that you think you're going to be picking up the second And then conversely, if you didn't, did you at least have sort of like a format in your mind of like proper roster construction on like, Okay,

So I you know, when I do these ones, there's actually I do have a roster construction in mind where I want to end up, Like, I know I'm going to get there one way or another. When you go out to twenty rounds, which I prefer, I like, I like best, I almost always end up with three qbs and three tight ends at the very least, just because you have that leverage, you have the extra rounds to make it there. So I do kind of think that way when I'm going in. I did load up my

Do you know what I mean?

Like, you can.

Truly go with a more best available approach.

For me, the player right now is my best available player in pretty much all formats.

So I'm gonna go ahead and take Drake London.

Yet, Drake London is Coop's second round pick, and so you go Falcon, Falcon and Obviously, anybody watching this, the first question is going to be are you worried about having too many eggs in the Atlanta basket? And you clearly answer with the resounding no, I'm not worried.

Not worried about it.

And again, with these highly consolidated teams, I'm just looking for the best players and the best situations. I mean, we've seen plenty of times where you know, great running backs and great wide receivers on the same teams crush. I mean, guys, last year, if you went out and took Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase t Higgins, Chase Brown, you.

Had no problems at all.

If you went back and you took you know, any of the times that you know, even like Tom Brady and Legarrett Blunt and Julian Edelman and those guys, if you took I mean, I've had kids.

One year, take Drew Brees and Michael.

Thomas and and and Alvin Kamar and he mopped us, he mopped the floor. You don't think you lost a single game. So if you if you get the right guys in the right situations, you'll be all right. I'm not necessarily going crazy, but I just think these are the two best players on the team, uh, and then they're going to be just fine.

So for me, I have no problem there. With some of these other teams.

Though, like if you got a team that's not highly consolidated, like the the Packers for instance, that's where I get scared to have multiple players, especially you know, when you're picking one guy from the run game, one guy from the past game. But for these two players, I just think they're stars, and I'm just hoping that the stars align.

You just mentioned the Bengals. T Higgins is your pick here at the three h four. I know you gotta fly. I want to give you one opportunity here for anybody who is interested in consuming more Andrew Cooper content. Where can they read it? Where can they listen to you?

Absolutely?

I mean I'll be jumping back on here with Terp and Aiden to do another recap of a draft at some point this summer, hopefully, so I'll be popping on these airwaves. You can catch me on Series XM all week this week with Howard bender Out. I'm always on Thursday and Friday six to eight, but i'll be all week six to eight.

Channel eighty seven. Our Draft guide at Fantasy Alarm is out now. That includes the Ultimate tight End, Guy Yini Yang tight End.

I know you've checked out those articles ten thousand words a couple of them, but I'll tell you what. I put enough gifts and silly stuff in there that you know it'll keep you. There's charts, there's pictures, there's there's clips, there's there's enough to keep you entertained. And I'll tell you, no matter what with you read it, you whether you take my advice or not, there's enough information in it that you'll come out smarter on the other side.

So that's available at Fantasy Alarm.

Dock On Connect with the twenty twenty four FSWA Writer of the Year Andrew Cooper at Kupe Fiasco on a coop.

Thanks so much.

We'll continue to read, we will continue to listen. Thank you so much, and good luck for the rest of the way. Man.

Thanks for having me. I'll be tuning in. Gonna be a good draft, good show, guys.

Thank you so much.

Good stuff from him, Andrew Cooper Hopping aboard here, I want to get to our next guest here in a little bit before we do Turt. What do you make of Justin Jefferson at the one o seven tonight falls to the one oh seven. I know that was the scuttle button. The chat people were talking about what a gift that was. But Kyle Hoff and Ryan Heller they fell into something there.

Man extremely extremely grateful. I mean they used to be really really happy that Jefferson fell that far. He doesn't fall that far.

Ever.

It's a rare occasion where you see guys like Ceedee Lamb, you know, Bowers getting as high as he did, and obviously Jamiir Gibbs, Thegether three are pretty much you know, Barkley's been falling a little bit, but Jefferson is seven is a gift, and then getting Brian Thomas in the next round is an awesome start.

Uh Farrell the auto drafter at the one spot not a bad squad. This is oftentimes what I hear when I'm commission Big Gorilla drafts or main events or FFPC drafts. People are upset that there's an auto drafter and then they you know, halfway through, like man, that auto drafter put together quite a team. And I always bring this up too, and I can't remember who it was because

Well, you know, maybe they'll wake up. Are they drafting from a queue or these truly auto drafts?

As far as I know, these are truly auto drafts. I don't believe there was a Q sevey looked like auto draft. All things considered, These guys didn't get the email. Inter It's really interesting what you talked about. We felt the same way about the seven and eight spot last night. We felt the players were dropping there. There there's maybe so many great first round candidates that you can say, any of those guys in the seventh and eight spot are great picks.

So you know, I agree those seventh and eighth have a great start so far, no no issues whatsoever.

That's different guys, different guys. Yeah, maybe it's just the it's the right spot for it. You never know. We want to get to our next guest, Ladies and gentlemen. He is the f FPC Joe drafting out of the eleven spot tonight. You will be able to watch him live this Friday when he joins Sperrel and I to recap his draft and take a look forward to the f FPC main event as well. Please welcome onto the program, mister Rob Thomasino. Rob, welcome in man, So good to

Not bad? I just really trying to draft a value. I will say that this is the first.

You're not gonna believe this, but this is my first best ball draft that I've ever done.

Wow, really ever.

Ever.

I'm a traditional Joe, I'm an f FPC main event guy, and I've never.

Done the best ball draft until right now.

Rob.

You would have thank you would have founded up from one just by accident you know you were doing You ended there just I didn't mean to be here when I'm here, so you know, no accident. Congratulations on a great career, man, You're doing great.

Thank you.

I'm really happy to be here and very appreciative.

Rob. Let's let's talk about the draft here. Nikola was your first choice in the first round. Now, you could have grabbed McCaffrey there, you could have gone Saint Brown or maybe even Nico Collins. Was the upside too good to resist with Nikoua at the one eleven tonight.

Definitely, I'm a big Nikola fan. I draft with my eyes a lot. I watch a ton of football. I don't miss hardly any TV games. I got the packages, and to me, he's a player, and he's very consistent, and without Cup he should get a ton of targets, and I'm excited about him.

What do you make?

You know, there's a lot of people talking about the Dolphins offense maybe in decline or maybe spiraling not in the right way, and yet I don't hear that about Devon ah Chan. Even people who don't necessarily like the Dolphins offense seem to still like eight Chan this year. This is a guy that I've heard I think was the Established the Run podcast I listened to a couple

Definitely definitely another guy that if you watch quick around the corner, great cuts, great moves, and uh, he's gonna get a lot of a lot of volume this year, and I don't think the Dolphins are going to be that good of a team, and I could see him.

Getting a lot of fourth quarter of dump.

Passes, a lot of what we call garbage time points, besides being one of the best players in the league.

So I think he has tremendous upside.

Rob the James Cook pick we should talk about too. This is a guy who scored sixteen rushing touchdowns last season and obviously had some issues of this contract doesn't sound like it's a big deal, and he's been reporting and everything. He's running back sixteen on average. You get him tonight at running back fourteen. So not a big greach on this, but your thoughts on why James Cook is still going to churn out a top fifteen running back season this year.

This year, So that was a tough pick for me right there.

I was in between. I kind of wanted to take a receiver, but I didn't love any of the ones that was sitting there, and Cook was really good last year. I don't see any reason that Ray Davis is going to take over any touches for him again. Should have a lot of volume. I think his touchdown number last year was a little bit inflated. But the Bills are going to be good. They'll have a lot of scoring opportunities. Alan will get his touchdowns, but I think Cook will be in double digits.

Also, you know, I have I think I mentioned this last night to Ferrell during our broadcast. It's not like I have a ton of Marvin Harrison, but I have enough so far this season.

I'm a believer in this guy bouncing back.

I'm a believer that this guy is going to be the beneficiary of an offensive coordinator that realizes what they did wrong and how they misused him last year. Is going to take advantage of a softer schedule and another year of chemistry with Kyler Murray. I like Marvin Harrison as the bounce back. You get him at the three four turn the four h two tonight. Was that a difficult choice? I know you said the cook one was. Was Harrison difficult as well?

Well?

It was the three four turn late on the eleven twelve slot to me is always hard every year.

Again, Marvin Harrison, I'm a big Ohio State guy. My daughter goes to Ohio State.

But like you said, last year was a mystery that he just didn't perform up to his expectations. And my hope is that this year he'll bounce back and he'll be one of the fantasy stars. I mean, he has the potential and he has the ability, So let's hope that that's how it plays out.

Rob When you you said you had never done a Best Ball draft before, what kind of prep did you did you put into this? Knowing that this was a set it and forget a team that you wouldn't be able to toy around with it throughout the season once it's drafted. Tonight, you just got to leave it right.

So I did do a lot of studying over the last week. I use I am not allowed to talk about which sites I use and stuff like that.

Is that go ahead, fire away, you do you.

So, I'm a big football guys. I've been using that for a long time.

So I did a lot of research on football guys and uh, you know, they they kind of help you with the draft with their one of their tools which is really good, and uh that's my go to so that I don't have to sit here and you know, draw lines on sheets.

So uh it helps me.

Uh and you know, it's been good to I've been pretty consistent.

In my FFPC main event contest.

My my my challenge is getting over the hump and drafting a championship team because I feel like I'm pretty good at that. During the regular season, I get some teams into the championship bracket, but I never have a championship team.

So that's where I need to get over the hump.

Yeah, it's it's it's not an easy thing to do. I mean, there's there's plenty of people that you know, you are not alone, in fact, you're in the majority. Like it's it's you know, if it was easy, everybody would do it, right. Isn't that the old adage, if it was easy, that everybody would do it? Uh, you were a main event champion, You're a previous main event champion, and I believe are you you're drafting from hopeless or are you're going to join us in Las Vegas?

I'm from home.

Okay, all right, perfect, so we will We won't see you in Las Vegas, Rob, but what we will see is your smiling mug on Friday night as you joined the high stakes Fantasy Footballer. Myself and Pharaoh we're going to break down this draft extensively, so I'm very excited to talk to you about that. Good luck the rest of the way and we'll talk with the interview days, my friend.

Thank you very much, appreciate it.

Rob Thomasino, ladies and gentlemen joining us on the program tonight.

Good dude.

Excited to talk to him on Friday.

For sure.

Like I said, Rob is already an FFPC main event champion. He has never a couple of times over too, by the way, he's never won the whole thing. But hopefully this will be the year we could say, Hey, we talked to the million dollar winner on pros Versus shows this year. Back in July, we are motoring through here, Farrell getting into the end of the fifth round. Here, one of the players that you and I have not talked a whole lot about went to Team two tonight.

They should be. And I love the football player, but I have not loved him as a fantasy player. I think this is the year, and somewhat last year, that the the draft position will catch up with the production. I think he's at the perfect spot. I don't think you're getting a bargain here where you're drafting, but you're gonna get enough and uh so, so I'm I'm pleased with that. I can't say that I would would have preferred anyone else there. I think those players are largely interchangeable.

Sur I wanted to ask you this earlier, but I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you now because we have the main pieces off the board in the Eagles. You saw aj Brown go at the two oweight. You saw DeVonta Smith go at the four eleven. Right before that, Jalen Hurts at the four oh five, the three biggest cogs in the Philly passing game Philadelphia. I brought this up yesterday. They ran at an historic pace last year in Routsu

I think so. I mean, Eagle schedule is much much more difficult this year. The division is you know, Cowboys, are you got better? The Commanders got better. The Giants still stink, but it's still two wins in the season for them. But the Eagles schedule, if you look at it, there is not many Eagles easy games where they get their game scripts will be very positive. Last year they had a lot of things going in their favor where

I'm glad you are a Homer because it allows me to ask both of you guys this question get an honest answer. Who won the super Bowl last year?

Yeah?

I do believe they won the super Bowl last year, and they did it in convincing fashion. I love the defense in Philadelphia. They hardly get to play because this running game keeps them on the sidelines. I don't under you say they won't be able to run the ball trip.

Because they didn't say they won't be able to I just wait, they won't be able to.

Run the ball. Finish the sentence to the effect of positivity that they that they experienced last year, and I don't think they're going to go away from that, and I think they will be successful. So I guess I'm just countering. I can understand why these other players should have better years. I mean, Brown's year last year would not warrant where he's being drafted here, and I can

I don't think they're going to either. I just think the teams are gonna start game planning a little bit more like the Chiefs tried to do in the Super Bowl to take Barkley out of the game and make Hurt speat them. And it worked in the super Bowl and it will continue to work. But let's just call what it is. I mean, they Barkley was ridiculous last year and most people hated him going to the season. So you know, another year, another year going into another year,

Think all these Eagles without Barkley and Hurts as being your stack. I think the website you're going to be consulting is turps in Trouble dot com. And I don't want to say I don't I'll be honest.

I think you're both kind of like I think I'm thinking how both of you are are are leading me here. I mean, Perrell, I'm with you. I think that the Eagles, they they understand how they win. They win games with Barkley, they win games on the ground, they win games by keeping the other offense off the field. But I also think Turp is right too. I just I don't think they're going to be able to do that two consecutive seasons close to the level that they did last year.

Right in Las Vegas. Can't wait. Yeah, I'm so ready for that Eagles.

Cowboys Thursday night at Paris, which is going to be a lot of fun in Las Vegas.

Guys.

I want to get to our next guest here tonight. He is another multi league champion in the FFPC. He is drafting from the five spot tonight between Andrew Cooper and Connor Allen from four for four. Let's bring him on right now, Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome on to the HSFF our airwaves, mister Greg Link, Greg, welcome aboard, Thanks for joining us tonight. You are six rounds into this, about to be on the clock. How do you feel about this squad so far?

Good evening, gentlemen. I'm feeling a little short changed.

I had a bunch of guys that got sniped from me, you know, especially in the second round, coming back literally in a row. I wanted Thomas, I wanted Kittle, and I just couldn't get a thing. So I'm feeling okay. I feel like it's a safe team outside of Trevon Henderson. So you know, like I said, I'm going to try to try to go for some upside. I'm sure Turp would agree with that. I think my team needs a little bit of a little bit of juice.

I love your team. I think your team got plenty of juice.

I appreciate it. Yeah, but I got some got some ones I want to hit on later. So trying to decide right now. It's kind of a tough spot right now. You know, you almost feel like you need to go tight in right but kind of looking into the list and nothing's really sexy right now with Mark Andrews and you know some of them. So I think I'm probably gonna have to go back to running back here and go with Tony Pollard.

Tony Pollard is the pick for Greg Link here at the seven h five, and this is your third running back that you drafted. Now, I will I'll push back on like I don't Jamior Gibbs. I mean, granted, maybe he's a safe pick, but he's an explosive pick. You mentioned Henderson is not being safe, and I think that's another explosive player. We already talked about AJ Brown and why he could be in for a big season. There's

I don't want to finish second, So yeah, it's it's.

The best consolation prize ever is getting a pair of soxs apparel. You and you would mentioned the tight end and you went away from it just nobody you liked enough there that you could pull the trigger and just rather to build your running back up.

No, yeah, no one that I feel great about. I've got some ones I want.

I think I can wait a little bit now that you know, ask me around from now when two or three of those guys are gone and I'll be wishing I had taken one. But as of right now, yeah, I've kind of got them. Tiered a little bit and got two or three coming up that I think I can pick from that I think will get good production. But it's always so tough for me. I saw last

So kind of thought.

About a couple of builds going into this and kind of got blown up within the first three or four picks.

So it's gotta have to pivot and reroute.

So Bowers you were hoping for, it didn't happen. McBride was too early. You mentioned getting sniped on some other picks, and I'm sorry if you mentioned who are the ones that you were hoping to get that didn't fall your way?

Sure on the second round coming back, you can see Collins, Thomas, Kittle went one, two, three right before me, and I would have I had all those lined up. I actually wanted Kittle. Ideally didn't think that Thomas would fall or Nico would fall to me, so would have had a nice little quandary there if they all were there, But I mean, I'm not surprised.

I've got a lot of good people in this draft.

They know what they're doing, and like I said, the Joe's are not as good as the pros because they listen to them. They follow them every time, every day, every season. So you know, again, I think we're all kind of even right now.

Getting getting back to the Pollard pick, Greg, what do you think the split is going to be like in Tennessee this year with a new quarterback in cam Ward? What do you think the split is going to be in that backfield between Pollard and Spears.

I think we know that anytime you have a rookie quarterback, you want a tight end or a running back as they're like security blanket, right, And so for me, I do think I think it's going to be probably set

Off a lot.

Greg, how did you, because I know you you are not a heavy volume early drafting season drafter, how did you sort of prep for this pros versus Joe's draft tonight?

Watching a lot of watching a lot of best ball videos also, you know, watching kind of the the rider and follower to the ADP, you know. So so for me, I mean, best Ball is not the main thing I do, but I do do it, and so honestly, it was just it's tough for me to draft.

This early and know that my guys are going to make it that they're going to be healthy.

I come out to Vegas every year for the first week and the football start, so I may, yeah, I do main events on the Thursday and also do do the bracket tournament as well, and so I like drafting literally a day before the season.

So it's a little difficult for me because you know, Tyrek Hill, who.

Knows you know, honestly, he could be arrested by the time the season starts.

Chris A.

Lobby's one sneeze away from not playing for the season. So I've got some issues, you know, that I'm concerned about. But hopefully my guys will make.

It Greg one final question here and maybe two. We'll see if we get back to you here. Through seven rounds of this twenty round draft, you have three running backs, you have four receivers. Does this change the way that you handle the quarterback in tight end position the rest of the way?

Absolutely? Absolutely, Yeah. I mean it's gonna come down to value. Obviously, he's gonna come down to the guys that I can see running back and receivers in the next couple of rounds. I got a bunch of guys that are earmarked, but I'm gonna have to go at some point in time for quarterback. But honestly, not too many have gone off the board, you know, in a while, so I feel like, you know, maybe I can wait a little bit on that. I want to get my strategy away, but you know,

You know.

Bart Starr, old Packers quarterback, used to say that he didn't start playing well in games until he got hit and knocked down a few times by the defensive linement. That's when he really picked it up. And I think, Greg, you have the advantage because you just said you're drafting live in Las Vegas in the Super Bracket tournament on the start of the day at the start of the NFL season. Now you've already been sniped several times. You've

I will say the one thing that I will say that you benefit from drafting live is that people get nervous people, you know, over thinking people want their dudes and they go get him and they might reach. There are a lot of times value false especially in the early rounds.

I know exactly who they are, I know exactly what they want.

And so depending on where I am in the draft, that does dictate like do I need to reach for someone, Because if I've got someone on.

Me my right, that's pretty smart. I might have to go a little early when I don't want to.

If I have somebody that I'm like, yeah, he doesn't have any clue what he's doing, I might wait, you know, And so sometimes it works out, sometimes it does.

But I think fantasy IQ is very important in drafts.

Connor Allen is drafting next to you, Greg. He has taken four straight receivers. He is on neck. You're in the hole right now, tell us kind of and like, you know, feel free to keep you know to yourself what you want to keep to yourself here. But what's kind of going through your mind here is you're in the hole, two picks away from making your eighth round pick.

So it comes down to what do I really want to reach for another running back or receiver right now, and all right, let's see what coo.

All right, let's see what Connor does. That's gonna be. Yeah, some of the good.

Kind of running backs like Scatterbow and stuff like that would be ones I'd like to reach for here. But you know, obviously that's not gonna happen. So you know, gonna have to pivot to one of the two positions I don't have yet.

How about that?

There you go, and that makes sense in Connor Allen, by the way, I said, he drafted four straight receivers. He took Lamb in the first round, so through seven rounds he's got five receivers. He does have the tight end. He's only got one running back. We'll see what he does here. But again, as I think Rob was tightening or Greg maybe I can't remember when it was, Coop was talking about this to start off, the starting lineup in this one quarterback, two running backs, two receivers, a

I'm gonna go tight end here.

I'm gonna try to look for a tight end that's got, you know, not necessarily upside per se, but it's gonna be a solid play.

Like I look at some of the ones out here now and.

I'm seeing kin Kaid and you know, Johnny Smith, and I'm a Steeler fan and I'm not I'm not sold on that just yet.

I don't care how good he looks in camp.

So I think I'm gonna have to go for someone who I think has got, you know, got good upside, He's in a good offense.

They spread the ball around. I think I'm gonna go with Jake Ferguson.

Ferguson, there you go. Ferguson's gonna be interesting this year too, because I know there's a lot of people that are sold on George Pickens being the number two target getter in in Dallas. And like Lee Corso would say, not so fast, my friend, I think we got to remember there as well, especially in a tight end premium format, that could prove to be a very apprecient pick here by you, Greg, Greg Link. Ladies and gentlemen, Greg Will we'll send you off to let you enjoy the rest

Man, that sounds great, appreciate it. Thanks guys.

That is ladies and gentlemen hanging out with us tonight on the High Stakes Fantasy Football over Farrel Elliott, Dave Chipoli joining me Eric Balkman for live coverage of Night two of the Pros Versus Joes. I was just gonna say regarding the tight end here, Farrell Ferguson was Greg's first pick. Sometime first tight end selection was Ferguson. You already had mcbriden, Kelsey, Drake, and Donnelly in the in the eighth spot from Fantasy points. They loaded up and

It likely is not going to happen because I attacked the tight end position very aggressively. I probably overplay a little bit for the position to get the first first one, and then if it falls to me, if they're later off the board, I'll quickly take the second one. And it's it's proved. It's proven to be in our FFPC format for me, such a nice crutch to lean on U to have the dual flex and to play both

Now.

I love Ferguson. He did not find the end zone last year. It came on these shows with Terp. One of the things Turp and I could agree on is that Ferguson would be a massive red zone target for Dallas. Last year. You never found the end zone, but he still fifty nine balls and he was he was not physically prepared to play a lot of football. So I think I think our mister link scored really big here.

Clearly Joe van Goh watching the broadcast to night as he selects Michael Pittman as Joe at the nine. Good good job on him to get him there. We also had this comment from the fantasy soprano himself, Stephen de Grgalos, Dave, Team two and Team six is gonna beat each other up at running back in the second half, Turk, What do you make of that? That's Blair Andrews at the two spot. That's Connor Allen from the six spot. Both guys have hopped aboard with me on FFPC Insider Access.

Turn my favorite team so far? I mean, I think six is probably my favorite draft so far. I know, like the one running back thing. Obviously, Chase Brown, who who I love and will draft as much as I can. Those receivers I'm all a big fan of you know, you're talking about getting Lamb, getting more, getting Wild, getting Ridley Jennings, all favorites of mine, Jayden Reid. It makes

I think Team two has the better receivers.

I don't agree. I'm steedee Lamb.

Boy.

It's close.

Yeah, well okay, I'm sorry, Turp. Yeah, take c D. Lamb out of it. Go down here to the middle group of receivers that were selected.

Would agree, Yeah, I don't know. I still probably take I'll still probably take Team six, but it's not by a lot.

It's close.

Look at the types of receivers that that Connor Allen is drafted here at six, like you have DJ Moore. He is in kind of a nebulous spot right like because of the addition of Luther Burden and Colston Lovelin and new coaching staff, and we know that the Bears had to talk to him about his attitude last year. I mean, I don't know what's gonna happen there. Jalen Wattle. I can tell myself the story of how that dude's a top fifteen receiver this year. I can also see

Now.

I guess I could say the same thing about about Blair Andrews squad like JSN. Yeah, he's a third round pick and he's probably gonna pay off on that. But at the same time time, they fired the o C last year because he passed too much and they want to run the ball more, how does that affect Smith and Jigba Flowers. We already talked about Smith, We already talked about Jerry Judy. I mean, there's this ground swell for Cedric Tillman right now. Obviously Deontay Johnson there too,

And then Downs.

I think I think all three of us like Downs, but Farrell's obviously team Pittman. But okay, so so am I the only guy that likes Josh Downs.

I think Downs is I don't mind Josh Downs, but I probably will pass on him more than most.

Yeah, I don't think of the eighth round draft pick, the seventy catch guy with five touchdowns, and that's what I think he'll usually be through his career. And that's a great football player, but I don't think that's going to get it done for you to win this tournament. Pittman has a potential in the history of being one hundred cash receiver.

So and so let me let me bring this up in pharall. I apologize Turp. We have not talked about this yet, but I know Farrell and I think Farrell and I did so. Michael Pittman year two in the NFL, eighty eight for one thousand, eighty two, year three, ninety nine for nine twenty five, year four, one hundred and nine for eleven hundred and fifty two, year five, sixty nine for eight aweight. But bear in mind he was playing last season with a broken back back, you know, and he and sixty nine.

For eight awaight with a broken back.

Pharal. If I have a broken back, I ain't moving for six months. Michael Pittman played a football season with a broke.

In this format especially, you might want to take tough players, guys to play hurt. You know. It's it's availability, the greatest ability, and I got it.

My easy answer with Pittman is there's no guarantee that Josh down is going to be on the field for the full time. They have a bunch of other guys are going to rotate in one thing that's almost guaranteed. Andrew Cooper said it perfectly is Michael Pittman is going to be out there one hundred percent of the time, so he's gonna have all the opportunities possible to be out there. Josh Downs, he's playing full time. Hey, the upside's there, but I don't see that day being here

Ever, downs it could be a steal, you know, a ninth round pick.

Yeah, I mean, I'm not saying I'm not downgrading Downs, but to me, there's a lot more things that have to go right for downs, and there are catch.

Guy and Boky. Based on the way you broke down the receivers here, well, this draft should have drafted some damn running backs, a tight end, and a quarterback.

Well, I mean, I'm having some fun here because obviously we are in an area in the draft where everybody's got warts and and nobody. I mean, if these guys were perfect, they'd be second and third round picks, not eighth and ninth round picks. Turp let me ask you about Tillman. I just brought him up here there. There's some people really telling with you know, telling me i'd be a podcast or I'm reading about it on the internet. That not to sleep on Cedric Tillman with the Browns

I'm a big fan of Edward Tillman. You know, he was a guy like coming out of college. You know, I really thought that, you know, once he got his footing in the NFL, he'd be, you know, starting to turn into a player. And you saw that little late last year. I mean he really became what you know, some people like myself thought he was going to be. The only question is is the Cleveland Browns who was playing quarterback? They're going to run the ball still, you know,

So let me ask you guys some one word answer on this question. Excuse me I'm getting for talking about the Cleveland Browns quarterback situation, which I'm sure they are too. I'm not going to ask you which quarterback it is? But how many games does the quarterback that starts the most games for the Browns this year start? In other words, whatever quarterback starts for most games, how many will it be this year?

Is it four? Is it seven? Is it ten?

Is a higher than ten? What do you guys say?

My number would be ten, My number will be ten. I think Flacco gets there. I mean, I think he starts unless the only person I could see lee now Flacco is Dylan Gabriel. I don't see there being any guy. You know, Kenny Pickett is not winning that job. And if he does, world I.

Mean Leyland bye week, Welke.

Cleveland's bye week is nine nine.

But let's I think Turp's got the right numbers. Then, you know, guys, just statistics football. We love we love Josh Down's skill set. I don't love his size, but I love his skill set. This has nothing to do with Pittman. But we go back to the Zay Flowers question that we had earlier, and you look up the stats last year and you say nothing was working right in the passing game there in Indianapolis. We'd all loves

So guys, I want to bring this up. Drew de Luca chimes in coop with Engram in the seventh is so on brand and I'm here for it. Still giddy about getting him at the seven, twelve and the scott Fish Bowl. Drew de Luca also pointed out, and this is where I'm leading into my next question. Here, so many great picks here across the board, but I'll show some love to Team seven. Rubio, our good buddy, says, I like Herma Joe's team at seven as well. Now

Here?

He gets Lamar or I should say they get Lamar Jackson at the three. They've kind of cobbled together this backfield starting in round five with Connor r J. Harvey and then Cam Ski and the receivers Justin Jefferson, Brian Thomas obviously those guys are elite, and then you get Xavier Worthy, you get Jakobe Myers, you get Khalil Shakir. There's some stability in the back of the last two

Turt not for me at all. It's not a structure that I love. I mean, you know, I love how he started with Jefferson, Thomas and Lamar. You know I love Worthy. You know that's a good pick. I don't mind the running backs and Connor and Harvey. But then after that, like your tight end position is extremely weak. You're way behind the ball, I mean, non homer or whatever you want to call it. Dallas Goddar, to me,

That was a theme last night, turp And, Uh that was that was a theme last night. And no one would jog on the boat with me on that. And I think it's just he's he's the he's the poor man's equivalent to George Kittle. I think George Kittle the greatest football player in the league, one of the top George League. He's not the greatest fantasy football player in the league. And then, you know, got it for different reasons. I love that team with what they they went out

They're short in the running back room has a lot of questions.

Yeah, okay, I'll talk about the running backs at a second here, but I want to throw this at you. Joe King just popped in YouTube with this. Let's take away the Jacoby Myers pick here and let's replace it with Mark Andrews. Now all of a sudden, Yeah, and you get that stack with Lamar Jackson and Mark Andrews too.

Makes a ton of sense. It would make the team totally different.

All right, So so the running backs, turp and And, while I agree with you, in theory on this and first place is getting a free main event team, and with all due respect to the socks that Pharaoh will be providing for the second place team, I'm going for first. R. J. Harvey is the type of running back that, Yeah, Dobbins might affect him, but I could also see how he finishes in the top ten at running back this year.

Now.

I'm not saying that that's going to happen at all, but I can at least tell myself a story where this running back build makes a little bit of sense. Steph Miller chiming in on the same thing. She likes the layers of the running backs here, inter but you may not like it, but you can at least admit here that there is a path for this team.

There's definitely a path. I mean, obviously you need, you know, a little bit more things right than the other teams that I like, but there's definitely a path to get there. I mean, I personally think that Drake maypick's a little excessive. We're talking about the tight end position. You have Lamar. You're banking on Lamar, and Lamar has to be the guy. He's easier god, but Drake may like, if he hits your lineup, you're probably at a deficit because.

Oh yeah, that's where you're right, Turp. I would have gone another tight end there. But let's say something that nobody's talking about. Khalil Shakier. There's one hundred catch wide receiver right there. Kh Khalil Shakir had the best improvement last year statistically, and he's going to put another time.

I don't mind him where he's being drafted. He doesn't excite me. He's a hard click for me.

I can't imagine terp what you don't like about this player. I just can't imagine, you know. Again, he's putting up the same numbers. He's back there, he's there with those Zay Flowers numbers and he you know you can't.

I don't and won't have any z Flowers. So a Flowers is not a guy.

That Okay, well let's stay on. Then that was just an example.

I know you were talking about him earlier, so I wanted to correct yourself there. I don't drift you want.

Guy, That's that's my thing, Pararell.

It's a ninth round pick, you know, like like if.

You just damn near, he's not going to hurt you there that we're all for hurt. He's he could deliver. He's going to outscore most of these wide receivers on this team.

Except Buffalo was not a heavy passing team last year. They didn't have to be, and obviously James Cook ran pure most of the year. Ray Davis actually looked really good as well. Passing was never a huge part of the equation with Buffalo, similar to the same way of what I said with Philadelphia, where I don't think they can be as efficient this year. I don't think Buffalo

I'll forget. Don't forget as well. You're forgetting somebody.

Elijah Moore, Kincaid.

Elijah Moore, no matter what, come on, man, Bobs, we don't ever give up on him.

Bob Loan is.

A big Elijah Moore fan. We talked with him about this last night too. I talked with him about it Thursday on the FFPC Insider accesshow which you can watch, by the way, on the Better Sports Network seven to nine each and every Thursday night year round. So he was talking abou Elijah Moore and you still have Kincaid there, so I could see it might just be a net net now, Farrell, one hundred receptions is tough for me to see.

Eighty sure, ninety, I don't know.

One hundred.

I don't think it's going to come to that. Oh I don't either, But well, you just said he's a hunter catch guy. He's a hundred catch guy.

We're having some fun here tonight. I love it here as team seven back on the clock, guys.

And I read that at turpsin Trouble dot Com. Everybody should go there.

We got to get that RL tap dangerous.

Stuff, dangerous stuff around the corner.

Bill Hollywood chimed in, let's talk about the two joes at nine and eleven. We talked about Rob Thomasino's team earlier. I want to talk about Bob Bonapone's team here at the ninth spot. Bill Hollywood says, he that's one of the teams that he really likes. You're looking at filling out the quarterback room here round ten on. He's got Prescott McCarthy. I really like that. The running backs are

I think so. I think I would, especially if you're so light a wide receiver, you could And you know the tight end whispers favorite one from last year still out there, so if you listen to the show, you know who that is. And they're all somewhat interchangeable, So pick the one you like and try to get the stack that you're working with if you can. Yeah, Buky. Eventually those hundred cash receivers in the ninth round are going to run out, and I think that's we're.

There, Turp. What do you make of those those running backs? Like again, I like Henry this year. I definitely like Walker. This year, Robinson, I've drafted in several Kentucky Fantasy Football

I really like his team. I love his receivers. I love Davers, Wilson and Pickens. It's just a little bit of an overkill at the running back position. I just feel like he drifted probably one maybe two too many. The Garrendo pick just seems a little bit excessive to me. You know, you could say whether you like Robinson, Mason or Sharpena one of those guys. To me, it's this

I kind of see what he's doing here. He's got a Henry's gonna score for him every week, right, Henry's except maybe week one last year. So Henry's going to score for him every week. So he's picking out his number two. Out of that, he gets a number two running back to cout out perform most of the number two running backs, and then he's got a potential flegs out of these guys. So I, you know, this is

Not Davis Maddock Jim Horasei, Jim, I'm apologize if I'm butchering her last name. Jim Horasey was watching us on YouTube tonight. So that Davis maddocks team has huge upside here. Let's look at Davis's team from the twelve spot, and there are some interesting picks here. You got Allen and Goff at quarterback. He gets Josh Allen with the first pick in the fourth round. The backfield is led by

Jared Goff.

The team was out of control last year and he only finished his quarterback nine.

You know what I see.

I see a lot of misfit toys, and I see a guy who is gunning for first place. This guy hates your socks, Barrell, because he has all this year with to draft this dominant team to not only win this league, but if everything goes right, he could be the number one overall pros versus Joe's champion as well. So Madick drafts without fear, and terp shouldn't we always draft without fear?

One thousand percent. He's exactly doing exactly what you said. He's going for first and if it doesn't work, guy, he's probably gonna come in twelve. And at the end of the day, who cares because he's drafted. I mean, if he gets CMC from the past, I mean, he wins this league. You know, Saint Brown, if if that knee surgery is not anything you gotta worry about, He's getting the best quarterback in some eyes in fantasy football. If a mari and Hampton and naj Harris, you know,

It's not her. I wish she would come on and tell us that, tell us if that was intentional. I'm sure it was.

He an extremely smart guy. He's been getting a lot of crap on Twitter I've seen in the last week or so, but he's you know, he's an intelligent guy. He knows what he's doing.

You know, if you don't have haters, you're not doing it right an percent.

If you don't have haters like all these people to come on and troll them. Hey, he does good work. Those guys over there, they're very good at what they do. And you know, he drafted a good team tonight. Whether it comes in first doesn't really matter because he went for it and it works out, it works out. If it doesn't, oh well.

Yeah, I'm just looking at this too. With with Golf and Monross, Saint Prown that's a nice little stack to have too in your back pocket. And James Williams and James and Williams great points t if I missed that as well. So that's something that that I think Davis whether I mean, I'm sure there we go and he's having a great draft. There's a pick we had Scott Engel had three tight ends through twelve rounds. We had

I don't know in this format, I would draft four tight ends just four?

Kurp, What about you?

It depends where you're drafting, Like if you're draft in the middle of the road guys, I think it's three maybe four, But it really just depends on like if you can get Hunter Henry it's your third tight end.

I'm good.

Or if you really want to wait and take an upside guy like an Ronde Gatston or Ferguson or something like that. Theo Johnson guys like that to have some upside to him. But you know, especially in this format, like it makes total sense if you get a zero who cares like it is what it is. But if you hit one of these guys, I mean, like like Andrew said he was on the show earlier. You're upside

And the Whisper kind of put a put a pin in that Tucker crap balloon to a degree. You know, he's been so on. I just see's so good with it. He called last year. I'd like when we when we're getting back, I'd like to know, you know, who's this year's hunter, Henry.

We have to keep watching to see what Coop does in the final seven rounds here, because he's got Ingrams one tight end, but nobody else since then. By the way, I'm gonna get to Coop's team in a second. I just want to point out Davis Maddock's haters apparently not fans of the high stakes fantasy football are, because he's getting nothing but love here. You got Joe King. Davis is our guy, Alex P. Keaton Davis is a good guy. Tom Smith Team twelve which is Davis Maddock reckless drafting,

Here.

Anyway, let's let we go.

If we go off the grid of the twelve teams and go over to uh, our guest in the in the chat room. I got to point out to you, bulky and into you turb He was on fire last night and he's even better tonight. Adam han Is. Adam Han's over here, back in a thousand. Just smart keeps coming out. You know, the Adam Han.

Everybody knows, very smart guy.

You know what also is great about Adam is his YouTube profile picture. You got to take a guy like that pretty seriously. I got it up on the screen right now like.

Some guy.

I'm sorry.

And okay there all.

Right, Yeah you got me. I'm sorry, you're a little darker, but you're back now, hold on, hold on, there we go. Okay, So, yeah, Adam han Is. This is not like some sort of dancing Jeff or anything like that. This is a serious man who takes his fantasy football seriously. By the way, Jim HERESI also pointing this out too that Davis Maddeck an upcoming father as well, So congratulat. Yeah, absolutely good stuff from Davis. So here's what I wanted to bring

I understand Mayfield. I like it very very much. That's that's who I'm considered a number one quarterback. I'm still a mystery on Murray and even just laid in the draft. I like some of the other guys better, but Mayfield, Uh, who have who? In our f f PC main event, I've never been a drafter of you know, he's coming to his own and I was very pleased to see how he played last year.

It's hurted three straight new offensive coordinators for for Tampa went from Canalis to Cohen and now to what's his name, Grizzard. I want to I want to say Gizzard King Wizard, Kris Wizard and the Gizzard Wizard. Yeah, he is going to be there. Any any concern about a third different offensive coordinator.

For three concerned?

I mean, but Baker Mayfield seems they have figured it out now in the NFL obviously I paid. You know, his career in Tampa has been a resurgence, great story overall because people hated him when he drafted it got drafted number one, totally flopped in the Browns really didn't figure it all out. But now he's a top ten quarterback in the league, no matter what anybody tries to tell you. And they have a ton of a ton

Mike Evans is the best friend he's ever met in the Cup.

He always finds a way to get him the ball.

He's fantastic. Yeah, it's and you know Loug Koop's team the last player that he drafted Shaheed. You know we talk about spike players in Best Ball competition. Shaheed certainly fits that description.

Guys, Terp, I have to ask you this because will Shipley has been picking up a lot of steam ever since. Like I would say, like Dynasty rookie draft season, I saw this guy available on a lot of waiver wires and people were scooping him up in the third and fourth rounds of rookie drafts. What do you make of Shipley in Philadelphia this year? And presented without context, I'm just gonna say Barkley was out of control with his usage last year and how much he had the shoulder.

Taking Will Shipley makes one hundred percent sense. You're looking for that high upside type of potential. You know, Barkley's usage last year was ridiculous, and let's just say that's notwithstandable. You know, it's not back to back years of that kind of us. This is not something we see that often. You know, there's definitely gonna some wear and Terry. He's getting up there in age. He just won a super Bowl, so you know the Super Bowl hangover quote unquote, Yeah,

Yeah, And I don't know if AJ Dillon makes the team either too. That's the other time.

That's what worries me, because if AJ Dillon doesn't make the team, there might be that veteran guy that the Eagles bring in as like the backup to Saquon Barkley if they don't think Shipley can handle the job. That's the worry with Chipley is he's just an afterthought because they bring in a veteran for nothing. Who gets cut. I can't think of anybody off the top of my head, but there's plenty of guys out there that makes sense that they could just put in there and Chipley gets

This just in spotted at a local cheese steak joint in downtown Philly was Leonard Fournette tonight. So you never know.

Anything, Big Lenny, Big Lenny.

I want to get to our next guest before we do. Uh, let me let me throw this at you. Farrell team one who auto drafted the first three picks, which we didn't care about because we thought they were strong picks there. But then they they got in and they have drafted a team where they didn't take a tight end until round eleven, but now they have three of them on

Room, it wouldn't be my strategy that I like what they came up with. And you know I talked about having four tight ends. If I'm ever in this situation, let me see your fourth guy, Fellas. But you know, zach Ertz did more last year than what we expected him to do, and that's gonna have to happen here again. Rookie tight ends is not anywhere I want to I want to put my eggs in that basket and God blessed Aarren Waller. That's that's definitely a shake up the dice and make a long shot bet.

The person we want to bring on right now just made a pick of Sam Darnold in the fifteenth round. He's going to be up again here fairly quickly. You read all of his work on Rodoballer dot com. This is a guy who's been around the industry forever. He has forgotten more about fantasy football than I'll ever know. The first time the FSWA did a Hall of Fame induction, he was part of that class. This is a guy that you hear him on Serious X on Fantasy Sports Radio.

The King.

Mister Scott Engel from Rotoballer joining us tonight, Scott, Good evening and welcome. How you doing.

Good to see you, my friend, Thanks for having me and good to be on with you.

Guys.

Well, we are excited to have you on fifteen rounds in What do you make of your team from the ten spot?

My friend, I'm just you know, I got the two running backs I like for most upside. Uh, but I wanted to give one one of the top four quarterbacks. I was gonna get him, and I connected Daniels with McLaurin. I'm noticing in a lot of drafts that you know, you have real value on rookies. So I like some of the value that I've gotten on rookies, and I still have some of my queue.

So you're on the clock shortly. You're on deck right now, Rob Thomasino's gonna be picking right now. You already have two quarterbacks in your squad. You have the three tight ends that we talked about earlier. You have six receivers, four running backs. You are now on the clock. Scott, take us through the thought process of your sixteen oh three pick.

Here.

Uh sixteen oh three maybe just best player left on the board. And uh, right, but right now, I do have DeAndre Swift, who I believe is gonna be ticketed for a big year or so I'm gonna take the rookie running back that's that's gonna back him up just in case, because I think he could be a goal line guy and maybe go ahead of Roshawn Johnson there.

So Johnson ends up going in the fourteenth round, Scott, I'm kind of curious if Johnson would have been there. If you had your choice between Johnson and Manongay, would you have still a picked manong guy?

Yeah, because again, you guys know this is high stakes. You gotta know what upside. Moshawn Johnson doesn't have any fantasy upside Monga guy does. So every time, you know, I get into a best ball, you know, like this, you know you really got to swing for the fences. So I know some people didn't like my Cendric Tilvin pick in the tenth round in the chat room, and I appreciate them comment, you know, good or bad, but you know, to me, he had the most upside if

Scott Engel, who who had a former top twenty overall finish and pros versus Joe's in twenty twenty three, looking for bigger and better things here this season, and you know you talk about upside, Well, there's some upside with this Washington connection that you had drafted in the third round.

Here you end up getting McLaurin at the three ten.

You pair him with Jayden Daniels at the four h three. Scott, was that part of the thought process, like I'm gonna get McLaurin here and I'm gonna grab Daniels on the turn to get this this stack going right away? Was that what you were thinking.

I wasn't actively thinking of this because it's any good drafter and everybody here, especially in the chat room, good drafters. You know you have to go with the flow. I wanted mclauren. There are some people down on McLaurin. It doesn't make sense to me. He's coming off his best season playing as with the best quarterback of his career. And I said, look, I know I never get sniped, okay, because I'm always ready with like three or four guys. So look my guy, because I got four or five

I like your tight end selections here that obviously you like big athletic tight ends all these guys have a great deal in common, and I'm impressed with that group. I wonder if you were tempted we just finished talking about Ertz. I wonder if you were ever tempted to add Ertz since you were building this Washington stack. So I was just curious about that.

Not really because at this point, you know, I appreciate your comment, you know, knowing the good reputation you do have. Well, Zach Art, there's not upside to me. You know, it's this guy like he's admirably he is an NFL player, still going towards the end of his career. But you know, I went Tucker Craft, who could break out? Brighton Strange could be a sleeper and there's still one tight end I haven't like you that nobody took yet. Maybe he's a lace sleeper.

Yeah, So, Scott, I want to bring this up because we haven't talked about this at all, and I was thinking about this today and maybe I'm just overrating it. What do you make of this Ricky Piersoll injury strain the handstring in May. Now he's on the the acted NFI list or whatever, which he can be taken off at any time. I know it's still July twentieth, But this is an injury that happened like two months ago.

No, because you know it's it's still July. He's got a lot of time to recover. Even this early, you're gonna see people getting bumped down because of injuries and potential suspensions, and that's where you get value.

You know.

I think it's between Piersoll and Jennings to really prove themselves. Y Auk is out and one of them is gonna get pushed forward more based on how they do early in the season, and it's either gonna be Pier Sola Jennings. It will get played out on the field.

Talking with Scott Engel, you can read his work at Rotoball, or you hear him on Sirius X and Fantasy Sports Radio and check out his work on the Athletic as well. As he is drafting tonight, ladies and gentlemen from the ten spot next to Rob Thomasino and Bob Bana Pone the FFPC, Joe's drafting their Scott is drafting right between him. You're coming up on your seventeenth round pick. Brenton Strange

Scott?

I think you know the other guys are spectacular downfield players. This is somebody Trevor Lawrence has to do it this year because if he doesn't do it this year, is.

Never gonna do it.

So, you know, Strange is the guy that I think may them comfortable say, Okay, we don't need to have an ingram. He showed us enough and you got to have you know, every good quarterback's got to have a reliable chain over, and I think that's the kind of guy that's Strange is.

Mh which makes which makes perfect sense at least to me. Here, guys, we are coming up on our Scott, we're coming up on your pick. Here, it looks like you are in the hole right now. A well balanced team. How important is balance in a competition like this where granted you're going for first place, so you can be heavy and strong in one area and that can't carry you. But I don't know, sometimes I like to be balanced. So when the value falls to me, I can grab it. Do you ever think about that?

I certainly think about balance because because and here comes to tight end that I was talking about that, I have Hulster. Uh, let me just take him right there, Okay, THEO Johnson and yeah, and uh that's my fourth tight end. What you said about you lik and have four t I exactly agree with you. I agree with you. Yeah, I like to have balance because you never know who's gonna get injured. Uh, and you got to take the best players available for upside periods. So I agree with you.

And somewhere all the fantasy sopranos are smiling, Yes.

Exactly as as THEO Johnson that Steve already made it clear. I Steve already posted in the chat with Theo Johnson and I said, Steve, I know you're not in this draft, but somehow I thought you would still find a way to draft Leo Johnson here tonight. Didn't happen because Scott got him. The King Scott angele Scott. If anybody wants to read more of what you're doing or listen to you, where what's the schedule like for you right now? For football season?

Betting stuff? You can find on Advanced Local, which is New Jersey dot com, Cleveland dot com, Al dot com, Oregon Live, Uh, get around, et cetera. Uh just want to take my next pick here fire This upside rookie from the Titans could end up to be a staughter' That's what I'm saying about rookies. You know you could just pick them off late. So Advance Local also post Roodobowler dot com, where I've been for seven years and

Do you like the Seahawks rookie tight end?

I like him a lot. There's some talk about maybe splitting him out as an X receiver, A lot of people asking, oh, with JSN and Cup, you know who's gonna play on the outside. You know, you look at the Rams past offenses. They run a lot to the inside. You know, you could see Royo on the outside with Marquez Valdez scantling. You know, I think they're gonna do some interesting stuff Offensively. He's in great prospects. He's just gotta stay healthy.

Do you play the auction format at all?

I have.

I didn't last year, but I definitely enjoy it. I can see you being hell in the auction format. I guess that was yeah. You shake things up very quickly.

Then, well, I do a lot of baseball actions, so football comes naturally to me.

Scott.

Final question Sean Green and the YouTube chat. AJ Barner at tight end obviously probably the second guy to Arroyo right now. Anything with him for fantasy this year that we need to be knowing.

About super deep Sleeper maybe to watch you know, a Royo. Unfortunately, durability is an issue, but I think they release fan because they really like what A Royal showed them last season. So, you know, deep Sleeper, you want to you want to take him in a very deep draft like this one. You know, I'm totally fine with it.

We are always totally fine with any advice, fantasy betting whatever from Scott the King Angle the King of Queens of New York joining us tonight here que there you go. Absolutely yeah, Scott E the King on X. We will continue to listen to you on Serious X. Check out everything you're doing for Advanced Local Rotoballer and of course the Seahawks website as well. Be good, my friend. Enjoy it the rest of the way and we'll talk with you again real soon.

Man.

Thank you for having me.

I'll be in FFPC Dynasty Player probably for the next seventy years.

Awesome.

Thank you so much, Scott. We appreciate that. That is Scott Engel the King from Rodo Baller. Tonight, guys, I want to get into one final guest here tonight and did we save the best for last? I'm not gonna rank him, but I'm just gonna tell you that this guy has won one hundred and sixty two FFPC leagues over the course of his career. That is one, that is six, that is two. I've done a few shows at them over the years. A really talented guy, a really smart guy, and he's going to class up the

Hey, thanks for having me.

Guys, missus, this is exciting to have you on always and we get you when you're on the clock here to take us. Tell us what you're doing.

Yeah, I guess so.

I'm between well a couple wide receivers here, so I'm just gonna rip it on one of these three guys, double check if there's a stock available. There is not, so mhmm. We're on the clock, We're on live. Let's take Brown.

I love that I've been drafting Dianmi Brown a lot in basket balls this year. I think he's an underrated player for sure. We'll talk about him in a second, Joe, let's let's wide scope your team so far. You end up going with Barkley at the three. Obviously a hotly contested offense that we talked about tonight. We're the Philadelphia Eagles. You show no fear, which is I think the way to draft. In drafting Barkley at the three, you know the workload concerns, but you also realize that this could

Yeah, that was actually a tough decision, but in the end, I had to stick to what I think is most likely, and I just think the Eagles are gonna likely win, you know, between like twelve and fifteen games, and they're going to be a dominant force. Again. Offensive line is strong, Saikwon Barkley doesn't look like he's lost any steps, so I'm of course banking on him being healthy. But I think you could point at most running backs in this range and if if they get hurt, you're going to

Joe Sag your first running back obviously Barkley. Your second one was Breece Hall, and we've seen a bit of bounce back in ADP with Brice Hall lately. Can you talk a little bit about what you see happening in

I would like to think Davis as an after I do like Braylan Allen as a young running back in Dynasty especially, But I do think Bryce Hall has the explosiveness to potentially lead the league in rushing if he gets enough carries. Potentially he has that corollary with the quarterback who creates the rushing threat that opens up the rushing lanes. I think in the third round here you're baking in the risk of the Jets offense not being all that good. And I also think Hall's pass catching profile.

Joe, you drafted Laporte in the fifth round. I believe you were the second team to double up at the position. You end up taking Dalton Kincaid as the tight end twelve here tonight. This was at the eight ten. Why did you feel the need number one to double up on tight ends within the first eight rounds and then number two to make Dalton Kinkaid your second guy.

Well, I probably didn't like my other options at running back and wide receiver when I made the choice. I do like Dalton Kincaid given that I don't see a whole lot other you know, other real threats in Buffalo. I think Kincaid has a room to improve. I think he was hurt last year and he does have the

There's nowhere to go but up, and you're right, it's priced in.

I couldn't get any worse than last year.

Yeah, that's right, right man, dead right. The proverbial dead camp bounced. Joe Vango will come.

Here, Joe, the first nine rounds, you were SAMs quarterback. At the point you drafted Fields in the tenth round. Here at the ten ten, did you you made up your mind like, Okay, I'm drafting Fields here. I'm going to get at least two more guys.

I do lean late round quarterback once we get to the tenth. I have a bit of a bias towards Fields. I've been a big fan of his in Dynasty. I had too much of him, unfortunately as value dropped. But he's had a bounce back, obviously signing with the Jets and having at least hopefully a one year window to reprove himself. He's proven to be a great fantasy asset, not a great real life quarterback asset. But I'm hoping

Here, Joe, the pick of Brandon Ayuk in the eleventh round, what's your expectations? What are you going to get out of that pick? When does that start paying off?

Is it?

Is it week five? Is it week eight? Is it later? Obviously I think you're a little bit more bullish than on Ayuk that I am, but maybe rightfully. So what's your expectation for what type of season he's going to have coming off this injury?

Yeah, there was a conversation earlier, of course about Jennings against pearsall. I feel like in the eleventh round I could easily out, you know, outshoot both of those guys once he comes back. I've heard conflicting things over the last couple of months through the summer, heard a couple of really positive reports, heard plenty of negative ones. Not sure what to believe exactly, but I do believe in

So the other thing I want to ask you about regarding the Cleveland running back situation. Tonight we talked about Dylan Samson. He went in the eleventh round. Tonight, you get your own board in the fifteenth what's your best guess on how this again. If there's anything more confusing about the Browns and their quarterback situation, it's now their running back situation because of Judkins. How is this going

It's definitely confusing. I kept watching Judkins fall and even as soon as a week ago, I would have probably picked him a round or two sooner. Now things to just seem to be so unclear about where he's going to land.

Sampson.

I like his profile, good speed, good profile, content, We can catch the ball a little bit. I think he's got some talent and he could potentially break out. But Jerome Ford is kind of like old reliable. He's been on the team. He can catch the ball. He's a guy that the coaches trust, and given the uncertainty with the rookies, I could see him starting the year and even playing eight to twelve games as sort of the you know, fifty five percent guy, and that would be

Speaking of the draft, it has come to an end with Joe Van Goo utilizing his final pick on Colt's wide receiver Alec Pierce. A good best ball choice here tonight, especially if if we get anything out of the quarterback position in Indianapolis that could pay off in spades. Joe, this this is so great that you joined us tonight. Congratulations on another successful draft. Are we going to see you out in Paris in Vegas this this fall in September?

It looks that way. Yeah, unless something pops up with work, I should be there. Yeah, yes, exactly, trust me, I'm avoiding those as much as.

It could be the best draft draft in the room too.

Yeah, it could be, could be my marriage anniversary. Otherwise I want to be in Vegas, so.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, not much is going to get in the way of that.

Joe, Thanks a lot, man, Best of luck to you the rest of the drafting season, and we'll see in September.

Dude, thanks for having me.

Guys appreciate it absolutely. That's Joe van Go. Ladies, gentlemen, the one hundred and sixty two time FFPC champion, and I'm not making that number up. I went out and counted myself.

I made sure of it, guys, Canadian numbers, that's true, yes, exactly.

We have come to the end of night two of Pros versus Joe's and this is a bloodbath tonight. I mean, Adam Hahn was talking about this like we got to give updates on this specific league throughout the season. It was a fun one. It was cutthroat, was awesome. It was everything we wanted it to be. And if there's any draft that could top it, it might be tomorrow's. And I know I'll have you guys at my side

See you guys. You got it.

That is Dave Tripoli, that is Farrel Elliott hanging out with us tonight on the High Stakes Fantasy Football Hour, A live show of Pros Versus Joe's Night number two, and that will complete our program tonight. Remember, the HSFFL normally airs Friday nights, ten ninth Central live on YouTube X and Facebook. We have on demand streaming available probably about two different podcast networks as well, So if there's a podcast network out there, chances are we're on it

This has been another episode of the Hot Stakes Fantasy Football Hour, presented by my FFPC dot com. It was broadcast live and was watched around the world. Bulky and Farrell will be back next week with more analysis, more interviews, add more advice from guests much smarter than they. Thanks for watching, and we'll talk with you again next week.

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