I See Djinn

stories of Gin and draw lessons from these stories. You'll hear from artists, scholars, writers, journalists, and gin exorcists, and even from me as I discuss how and why this series came about in a very personal conversation with my husband. Thanks for listening and enjoy. So this will be the final episode that tracks with the main series, but I've been holding onto this UM Today's interview for quite a while.

I've been really excited about it because our final episode, if you've listened to it yet, it's called Exorcism, and so our guest today is kind of perfect for this subject. And I was actually introduced to her by one of our other guests, one of the other guests I had on earlier actor who pointed me towards um this guest and said, hey, you might want to check her out, and I was fascinated when I did, so I'd like to introduce you to my guest today. Her name is

Jihan Mancy. Jihan is a spiritualist and a writer, and she practices something called alchimistic or maybe that's what she calls and I'm not sure, but she says her alchimistic style is a blend of comedic alchemy and Islamic ESO terrorism. She writes a couple of columns for a online magazine called MS Muslim. She's also a TV writer and you know, she basically was doing these columns formison which I read

I just blew through. Um. And then she decided to kind of write about other things and introduced a personal blog called Mystic Musings, where she shares her sacred knowledge that she's acquired over the years. She's really active on Instagram. I've seen her do Instagram live videos on these things. And her website is j Mancy dot com. It's j M A N. S y dot com. Um And basically she's dedicated her life to metaphysics, self healing and alcomizing your soul in order to live your truth in alignment

with your highest good. Johan is based in California, and Um, she spends her life helping people who come to her out of great desperate spiritual need, people who oftentimes believe that they have some kind of a gin possession or attack on them. Before doing this work, she was an academic publishing and that was her field. But now she's dedicated her life, uh to helping people who really have

nowhere else to turn. So check out my interview with John because, believe me, you never heard a story like this. So I first want to say that, UM, I don't even know where to start with you. I'll be honest, because I just learned of your work not too long ago. Now that you're this episode is going to run kind of as our season finale in a way, because it's like, to me, you are bringing so much together that we're gonna have covered over the season and your own personal

experiences too. But I hadn't heard of your work until very recently, and then it was like this rabbit hole I've read like, I couldn't stop reading your blogs. I couldn't start with your college. Yeah, fascinating, But here's here's what I don't want to do. Um. I've already introduced

you and the listeners. You know, I have a little bit of information about what you do, but I want to start off by can you tell us a little bit of actually about your personal background if you don't mind, kind of like you know, ethnically, where you're from, Um, where are you from the United States? A little just about your person story. Yeah. So I'm very proud that I'm from Ohio, uh, California with my husband. My family

and my parents are from Egypt. So I was raising a very progressive Islamic household and stressed that because my parents always allowed us to be very open with our questions and discussions, so nothing was like off the table. So I really credit them for my spiritual growth. They're not happy be with what I do, but they're not they're not happy with what you do. Are they scared

of what you do? Is at it? I think because in Egypt, the people who um claim to be healers or seers typically their cons and they just end up taking your money. There's like a bad reputation. But you know, my parents need to understand we're in America now, things are different. So you will be shocked. You'll be You'll be shocked to learn that your parents and my parents feel very similarly because what I told them I'm going to law school. They're like, listen back home, all the

lawyers of crooks and uh don't go into law. And I was like, where in America. It's a different situation here. But my family from Bokadan, so I understand that whole thing. But um, so you grew up in Ohio. But professionally, I'm like, this is not something of what was done, Like spiritual healing was not as your profession did. My career before this, I was an academic publishing and I was really burned out with corporate world. So I left UM a few years ago to try to pursue writing

full time. I have. I worked on a Manu script. I wanted to be an author and be the Muslim version of Nora Roberts, and I came across this Muslim Um. I decided to write for them. So I wrote two columns and my good friend Jinn, who's the founder of this Muslim kept urging me to be more open about

my spirituality. And she was like, you're holding back a lot, and I can tell why don't you just come out and talk more about the depth of your spiritual thoughts, and I was like, I don't know if people are gonna say I'm a witch, and I was I used to be really afraid about label, so I kind of just threw myself into it. I became a little bit

more public with what I do. I met Kredsmen at the time as just a friend, but our friendship grew because of our spirituality, a spiritual connection, and he was the one who encouraged me actually to do the spiritual work as a business. And I was really instant. And then I was making a lot of difference within the community, not just the Islamic community and the Egyptian community, but the non Muslims who I was working with. So I kind of went with it. And then now I have

a full fledged business. That's kind of amazing. But let me so let me. I want to know kind of like how this all began. I mean, one thing I've heard about when it when it comes to pe and I feel like somebody has cemented over my third eye or something. I feel like one of those people for whom the veil is very thick, you know. Even though I'm like I feel like I'm open to it, I'm like, yeah, yeah,

you know I'd be interested in like perceiving things. It just doesn't happen for me, but I've heard that it actually for people who have that ability. It's almost like ain in the family off and you know a lot of times in the matriarchal line, when did it become apparent to you that you could sense things that other people could not. So first, I do want to quickly say we all had the capability to open up our gifts, and especially as Muslim's, the biggest benefit we have is

the ninety nine names. So there are specific names of dog you can chant to give your third eye lastic surgery and to south the channel um and to open up those types of senses. But when I was eight years old, I had my first encounter with the spirit, and I thought everybody could see. It was my aunt who had passed that summer, and I woke up mill of the night and I was having a full fledged conversation with her and I told my mom about it. My mom was like, she freaked out because she thought

I was traumatized from the death of my aunt. And when I was repeating things back to my mom about what my aunt said, my mom froze and she then knew, Okay, there's something really going spiritual going on, and my mom believes in this. So from her reaction, I kind of shut down a little bit, and it wasn't discussed. Um. In my high school years, and I started becoming more involved with the mosque and praying more and just kind of allowing myself to be a more immersed in the

Islamic culture. Prior opens us up as well. So I started having dreams where they were coming true, and I didn't understand that either. And I would talk to my parents about it, and they could have given me great stories about profit USEF, but they couldn't really give me the answers of what was going on. And then all throughout my twenties, UM, I was sensing things and I couldn't put my finger on it. And then that age in the medical world, I coded, so I lost a

heartbeat for about a minute. So I transitioned to the next realm and you see the whole white light. All of that's true, But the first energy I connected with was profit Jesus, and I wasn't expecting that, right, I'm expecting to connect with profit moment because I almost and I saw myself on the operating table. I saw everything that happened during a surgery or I was getting ready to move to California. I was packing. It was my

first move out of my home. I think I had a lot of anxiety and a lot of fear over that, and I just the weight of stress. I collapsed. I just dropped and that my friend rushed to the hospital and I took a while for them to resuscitate me. Well, it was technically I was out for about a minute, a minute and a half. Um that minute and a half, though, felt like a lifetime to me because I saw myself on operating table, came back to life. I told it act what happened, and he was like a lot of

people had these experiences. He UM encouraged. I read a book I think it was called The Proof of Heaven, and I was expecting him to say I had a psychotic break, because in mid to late twenties people have like psychosis break, so I thought I had something UM. About two weeks later, I moved to California and it was like I couldn't stop seeing spirits. So you know, we share this world with the unseen, but it was unreal.

It was like I would be walking down the street and I would be bombarded with spirits and I knew they were spirits because they didn't look like actual humans. But I felt like I had lost my mind. I was convinced I had a psychotic break. Okay, John, I gotta stop, because I have so many questions already that have like they're they're backing up before I forget. First, I need to know more about what happened you in that minute and a half and you you say you

saw Jesus. Now, just for people who are not musliman listen to this podcast, um. John also mentioned profit use if that's Joseph, and so, you know, Muslims believe in all the biblical prophets, and Joseph, we know there's stories around him and his ability to have these dreams in which he had incredible premonitions and powers to the dreams. But Jesus is also considered a prophet. I mean, we don't worship Jesus the way Christians do, but we believe

he's like one of the most powerful profits. And so that's why Johan, you know, referred to Jesus prophet Jesus. So did did you talk to him like what happening I need to know. We introduced himself as Jesus. It's also the image of Jesus in my mind is what we've seen, like you know, light brown hair, color, white colored skin. So he introduced himself as Jesus. He said, I'm I'm Jesus. And what did he look like? Was it not? Was it not what you had seen? Like?

Well you what we see in our western kind of uh iconic. Ree saw more of like a shadowy figure, so I could tell the profile of his space, but I couldn't really make out all of his features. And I don't know if this is something that profits are usually masked like with angels. I don't see there of angels become as lights. But his voice was really it was deep, but also in a way lights that makes sense, warm, really at peace, like I felt like I wasn't crazy.

I felt like this was all happening in a divine manner um the type of brightness like the bright light you see it feels like you're catapulted through a tunnel of white light. So I also thought that was that I'm dead, like I'm not coming back to life. But he told me you're gonna be Okay, but you're meant to be a healer. You're meant to heal. And again I'm drinking. I mean, I'm thought to the l A.

I'm like starting any life, right, I'm gonna go sell textbooks, right. Oh. I didn't understand any of the messages that he did tell me he was gonna heal through my hands. Well again, prior to this, I had no experience in the healing word. I thought all this stuff was hot or unlawful as what we say. I thought all this was like double work.

So coming back from that, I questioned a lot about faith. Yeah, okay, so when you say that opened up kind of like a portal, like like it's almost like, uh, you had glimpses before that, but this kind of like just blew the damn wide open kind of pulled me into a different realm. Was that Was that a terrifying experience for you to suddenly be like I really convinced that I had like maybe schizophrenia. Even though I couldn't hear spirits,

I thought I was having hallucinations. So I saw three different psychiatrists in l A. And I was like, you have to test me. I think I had this psychotic break and everything came back normal, and I was like,

you're missing something. And then I went to at the time living in l A, I went to a called the Psychic Guide Bookshop and I walked in and went straight to the book's book shelf and I was just trying to find something and the lady had walked up to me and she was like, oh, you should look at this book and it was something about medium ship and I was like, I don't do this. I muscle. She was like, okay, you have a lot to learn.

And she's like, why don't you take my class. Um it's like with like wiccan one on one and I was like, I must. I don't believe in this. I can't do the stuff. Yeah, And so I went and it really opened them eyes. Energy work, So I started learning about energy. Then I jumped from that to working or studying with different um schools of thought and the occult. So the O cult can also include obviously magic, and I kept thinking there has to be a huge realm

to this with Islam. So I grew up reading Imma Gazetti um e an Oudoby like, let me revisit that and let me see if I can find the Islamic version of this. All I'm working, like you know, forty hours a week my career. Then I started meditating, and I learned how to meditate through a Buddhist temple, and I came across the shape in about two or three years. From that whole things, I'm taking years of just learning about the occult in general and different forms of the occult.

Then I found a really great shape the ship I worked with more just one on one, and he really helped me kind of circled us all back to source and he taught me about Islamic meditation. He taught me that Islam has their own chakra system and to work with the names of Allah. So everything just kind of started. I mean, this was years worth of studying. So then I just decided, oh, maybe I should start helping people on the side, like for fun, let me practice. So

I started helping friends and word was getting out. And then after a few years, I think at that point five years later was when my now husband was encouraging me to so can I ask you, throughout these years of study, as you were trying to figure out like what was happening and how to understand it in your own kind of context. And really, I mean, I'm one of those people. I'm an observant Muslim. Um, I just think it's one source and it's just kind of branched

out into different ways of understanding, like the same things. Um, you're still seeing spirits. And let me ask you one thing. You say you're saying spirits, you're not saying jin. Are they different things? I have gotten this question, and I don't know the answer. So Jim does mean spirit. There's differents of gin. There's good jin, there's bad jin. Jim can convert to any religion. And I used the all encompassing term of spirit because Jim still shocks people. So

I just feel like spirit just hasn't easier. So when you're saying you saw spirits, you're not saying you saw like let's say, lingering dead people you saw like you're saying jin. No, I can see both. So the first apartment I had moved into an l a after this whole event dying and coming back to life. Um, I woke up more the night with the spirit in my face. She was missing eyes and a mouth. And later, when the spirit is missing features, it's um a spirit who

suffering or a spirit of the dark. So that sleep paralysis that you get, that that means a spirit is trying to either enter your body, take your soul, or mess with you spiritually. And then the sleep procesis happens usually in a specific time frame middle of the night. So the sleep procesis, you know, happened. I was frozen and the spirit is in front of me and just like my face and I just kept reciting Um the shah Haddah, the testimony of faith, and I ate the corsie,

and then eventually the spirit left. It was three in the morning. She came back to visit me again at three thirty three the next day and she told me, I need your help. I'm stuck. So I went back to UM that's like the guy bookshop. I told the lady what happened, and she's like, oh, no big deal, you just need an exorcism on the apartment. It's like what she came to my house. Turns out this girl was like wrong place, wrong time. She had been murdered

in my apartment. Landlord didn't tell me, and her family had no idea what happens, and she needed to be crossed over. So all this tack and I'm thinking, oh my god, I moved to like the land of like satanic work. Like I had no idea what any of this meant, so I didn't see her as her full self. I saw her as a suffering spirit. And then when she traditions in that process of me watching the lady do the exorcism, she just elevated into pure white light. Then I was able to see her as her human self.

She thanked us, and then she ended up transitioning. Okay, so let me ask you this um, over the years, other than this one spirit, like, have you had contact? Is this like something that's happened more than once where you had the spirits of people have passed and come to you or jin contact you or come in some kind of encounter with you personally one on one instead of you just seeing them, but actually engage you for

some reason. Just walking outside my house, if I'm walking down the street, I can see if the spirit wants to come and get a message out to somebody. But I don't go around offering, you know, on solicited advice like a lot of these shows you see people in the camera spotor medium. So I don't do that, but I do get a lot of dreams from spirits as well. And I I've noticed when I wear a hat because my our crown chapra sits on the top of our head.

That's the way mediums communicate is through the crown chapra. So if I wear a hat or cover my hair of some sort, I'm not as open. Or if I wear UM certain color clothing, or like I keep bracelets on my left side, and that also tends to keep me more grounded. I don't know why, but that works for me. But I'm constantly on if that makes sense. No, I can. I can understand that immicate of perceiving things

nobody else is perceiving. But I'm just wondering, how does that How how does that affect your own mental health? I mean so, I think it takes an enormous amount of UM patients and being grounded. So I have moments where like, I just can't really socialize a lot because people's energies can drain me a lot of time to be with myself or to just be at home. UM

meditating a lot keeps me grounded. I chant so many times throughout the day, not just protection phrases like the shado or anything of ete of corsi, but just the names of God, and that safeguards me. It doesn't get overwhelming and less. I'm working with the client who has a lot of darkness and the ginner. Of course, they don't want to leave most of the time. So when there's things like backlash and I'm kind of at like spiritual war on behalf of the client, that's when they

can get um troubling. It can conflict where it affects my daily life, or it can interfere between my husband and I, like maybe we'll get an argument, for example, But there are things that usually passed fairly quickly. There's some disharmony, but it'll balance back out. So speaking of your clients, um, so how how long? First of all, have you been actually taking clients? Eight years? Oh? Eight years? Okay? Are they mostly in California or like, is it across

the country? All over the world, So there's a COVID. I'm now primarily distance based. I can do healing work from a distance, but clients find me out um all over the world to heal them. I want to talk to you about a couple of stories that I read on your blog. The first story is it was. It kind of shocked me for a second, UM, because I don't know if you know too much about my my work and and kind of like what I primarily do.

But it was a story about UM, a young man I think who had been murdered and his family wasn't a lot of distress, and you helped identify the suspect in the case. Can you tell me a little bit about that case first and what happened there? UM. I can't get to go to a specific because they the son was involved with UM. He was I think a drug dealer, but very casually, like it wasn't his main thing. He just dabbled in it from now and then, so

his family didn't know. So on the evening that he ended up being murdered, it was because it was like a drug deal gone bad and then happened at a convenience store and there I think three people involved, UM, and of course they all left so that nobody took accountability.

And then the police didn't do a very good job because this was a Muslim family and small town where these types of cases weren't really taken seriously, so they've got a racial tension and the family had an idea of who the who the perpetrators were because of um the friend friend circle or the friend group. But I just wanted more confirmation UM. So they asked me to

read on it. They gave me the names who they thought, and because I can read energy, I was able to identify who had the sketchy energy, like who had the guilt and the remorse around their energy, And from there I was able to go into a deep meditative state to really connect with that person's soul and they revealed so that person's their spirits revealed to me specific information about the murder, like how the person was shot, which I had no idea, or where the lacerations were, or

where he even ended up putting the gun man. I've got chills right now, honestly have chills right now. So that's why I chills. I mean that it's confirmation that what I'm saying is true. Whenever you get chills, that's your spirit confirming what you're hearing is truthful. So when you so, then what did you do with this information?

You went back to the family and said, this is your family, and they told their mother, who obviously had like she was devastated from this from my understanding, I think they were able to reopen the case and the guy ended up um admitting to it. Really he ended up ye going to jail, but he I think the guy needed the way out to finally confess. He needed somebody to come to him. So the reason I was kind of shocked when I read this is because, UM, you know, as an attorney, I don't know if you

know anything about the non said case. Have you heard of it at all? Yeah? So I no him very very very distantly from like his family from ISNA years and years ago. You actually know a nonced family from years ago, I mean very very like cast. That's crazy. So you know, when he was seventeen, he was arrested for our murder. I have been working since to help exonerated None. We've done a lot, We've done podcasts and books, an HBO series last year, um, and we are still

fighting to exonerate him. And uh, we've had two There's been two times during the course of these twenty years that different people have come to us or somebody who is working with a non team to say listen, I've had like this kind of experience that I can't explain, but kind of a psychic. They weren't even psychics, but they were like, we just saw something that we believe

is like information connected to this case. And honestly, when I read that and your blog, I thought, I mean, I would love it if you spent some time thinking about this, because what I really believe with the Nons case is that there's there there are ways you can exonerate people through the court system, not exonerate, but you can actually get their release for example because of technicalities

because they didn't get a fair trial. But an actual exoneration means you find the person who killed the victim. That's a real exoneration, right, So if none was released, um because you got a plea deal or for any other reason, the victim, Himan Lee in this case, would really still not have justice because the person who murdered her,

we are certain is still out there. And uh, I have a suspicion of who I believe it is, but it could be a number of people obviously, so they don't I don't know if this is I'm just throwing this out there. If you would be interested in looking at this, I would be so thrilled if you did, because definitely talked about it yeah, So have you done other work with like in the criminal realm at all or was that like the only time that you got magnitude?

But I have helped other people with identifying missing children for example. I'm really for example, UM, I haven't promoted myself like that, so those cases are very rare because and I barely promote what I do online. I'm more just referral based for right. I'm sure you are still quite busy though with the referrals. Um. But so the other question I wanted to ask you was about the other story I wanted to talk about. I thought this

was really fascinating as well. It was a story where you contacted this this person, I guess he was a lawyer or somebody just out of the blue. You knew him casually and said you had a dream that somebody had come to you with a warning for him, somebody named somebody named maher and uh and and when I'm reading it now, I knew who Dr Mahaha Tooth was. And you know, God rest his soul, blessed his soul. An incredible pillar of the community and just an incredible

human being. For folks who don't know he he just was one of the most tremendous American Muslims. I think we've had the pleasure of Um having in our community and and and his legacy lives on. So when he died a few years ago, it was a big loss to community. But in this dream, he visited you and you didn't even know who it was. No, I had no idea. So actually that story is about my husband. I have him also. My husband's a criminal defense attorney, so do also help him with his things. But you

know he doesn't have fun murder cases. I always encourage him to take one. I'm like, I can help you. So the night I had met my husband and we talked about spirituality and met like Zaddie and all this stuff. Um a few days later he I had the dream with with Dr who I had no idea he was. Even though I had been in l A for years, I was not connected to the Muslim community. And I called my husband and I told him, Um, I had the stream. You're gonna think I'm crazy, but I have

to get this message to It's very serious. You probably want to sit down. And he's like, I can handle it. What's going on? And then I told him. Then he paused He's like, Okay, now I think you're onto something because what you just told me I had been thinking about. I haven't told anybody. It's been on my mind for days. So this really resonates with me. And then I got the car versation. He's like, well, how do you even not know who he is? He was this great pillar

in our community. He was like a father to me. And how you even access this type of information? So did you later? Were you later showing a picture of doctor? How do it then? Where you like if that was him? Afterwards? So the spirits come to me in their younger version of themselves. Okay, okay, that's interesting. Yeah. Um so after that, your husband, your to be would be husband in the future. By the way, let me ask you this, have you do you have like a sense of kind of like

what's gonna happen in the future? Do you have that kind of ability as well? I can read energy, and I can in most cases if someone asks me, like what am I going to get married? I can give them a timeline. I don't like to get too specific with that stuff because I feel like I'm dabbling too much in the fortune telling. And that's the way from just that overall benefit of what my clairboyance can offer people. But have been times I was able to predict something

and it came true. But I just don't hopus so much on that part of what I can do. Yeah, I have had maybe three or four dreams into my life where I drummed something very specific in it and it happened. Um. Most of them when I was younger, And I do think as you get older, you just get the material world just kind of sucks you in and it takes you away from a lot of those abilities, um, and you don't really spend too much time on them. But I know, I know it happens, I've seen it,

I've experienced it myself. I want to ask you this though, I read your article about gin possession um, which is which is taking this whole thing to another level. It's one thing to help heal people, it's another thing to help people get rid of gin. Put like to be an exorcist, right to help expel. So can you explain to me, first of all, how you got to like what kind of training does it take to do that? So I do primarily work under like the guys of our religion, and so if there is some type of

spiritual prescription I have to offer somebody. It's always going to come from our religion. However, a lot of the techniques I use, you can label it as coming from a different occult tradition, but it works. But every spiritual issue that's caused by a gin can be removed in a very simple manner. It doesn't require all this production that you see in the movies or that other um

the phrase gin catchers proclaim. It can get violence at times, I've been strangled, at times I've been attacked by the client because the gin is working through them. But it's usually such a small part of how the healing happens. So I do the healing through the dorot kaya dot rokya, and it's a compilation of many verses from the Quran. Just the words of these verses are powerful enough to dispel gion and gen are too overpowering, then you have to use other type of modalities. So you know, I

heal through my hands. So Jesus comes through every healing of mine. I don't have to call on him. Just as soon as the fact has been recited, he's coming down and working through my energy points in my hands. My palms. The light that he sends through my hands is powerful enough to dispel negative energy. So if it's evil eye energy, UM, that can be removed through the same Okay, Yeah, the gin to be extracted from the person. You just I mean, it's like kind of engaging in negotiation.

So you I asked them who sent you? For what purpose? If they were sent from a curse, that curse has to be reversed before the gin leaves. The difference between how I work so I was, so the gym is kind of at the mercy of this curse, like they're bound like okay, so so and this is different. So the gym possession is the same him, yet also different from being sent a curse or any type of hex.

If the curse in the black magic is not removed, no Shapherd or Amen or Anybody's going to be able to get that gin removed unless you break the curse. So the reason why I feel like my work is very effective UM versus other type of like leaders in the communities, because they don't actually remove the magic. They just focus on reciting put on and doing the dot. Okay, I'm thinking that they're fine. And if the person didn't get better. It's because the person is not religious enough,

and that's not true. So I opened up the space. I talked to the Jim. The jin tells me how he was sent, what was done. They show me how the ritual was done, and either I just have to completely redo it and reverse it, or I ask if he wants an offering, for example, because they buy an offering, then they're going to want an offering back. And it's really simple removable At that point, I mean, that doesn't sound simple. That sounds terrifying. Frankly, Uh, but how long

are we talking about here? Is this is the kind of thing that we've done in hours or days or what are we Everyone's different. So I've noticed that people who were um diagnosed with some type of psychosis, whether it's bipolar schizophrenia, the majority of the time it's from a really bad curse. I do believe that psychosis is real, so I don't want to, you know, say that it's made up or just a spiritual disease. But every person who came to the mental health issue, I was able

to get them completely. I don't know if I'm allowed to say cured. I don't know if I'm legally allowed to, but relieved of their symptoms, so they were able to get off their medication and live, you know, a healthy life, all from just a series of healings. So the most serious case I had dealt with was the guy in Scotland. He had eighty GIN possessing him since he was about thirteen. I met him at thirty years old. I wasn't expecting to even meet him. I was in Lon, didn't to

work with other clients. He came up last minute and I was the whole thing got done in three days. So the first healing took six hours and that was a very long time. And then normally my healings take about an hour to two hours. Then, because it was such a last minute client, I didn't have time to see him for the rest of the trip. He fell out to l A two weeks later and in two more days his whole thing was done. Magic was reversed. He has been living such a great life since he's

office medication. Um, he finished law school, he's got a great career like his life. What how does how does that happen to somebody eight gin? That's like I mean, that's is that it just happened over years, like one gin attracts another, but it wasn't an entire army sent

to attack him, Like how does that happen? The original curse brought a handful of gin, and because the way the curse made him live his life, he dabbled in up hall who dabbled in drugs, And so when you drop your vibration that low and you get into those types of activities, that invites more darkness and invites more spirits. So people who talk about having a hangover, I've never drank, so I don't know what it feels like. But when people describe having a hangover to me, that means the

gym's gyms are just passing through them. They're trying to leave their body. So the gym's enter you when you're just drinking alcohol, and then it takes them time to leave. And whether or not they stay depends on your spiritual light, your physical and spiritual body, and if the gin wants

to live off of your life. So for him, it got compounded over the years he had been in and out of mental institutions, um get on a ton of different types of medication, and the type of medication he was on also drops his vibration, So when you're vibrations lowered, then you're more susceptible to attracting darkness. Okay, but okay,

so I gotta say something about the alcohol thing. I mean, what doesn't mean alcohol itself caused like the impairment, and it has to as a as a physical substance, right, like it's biologically moving through your body. It takes time to wear off. I haven't had I haven't gotten drunk before, but I've had niq will and I know what if I know what that feels like the Nike will hangover the next day. Um so, But but I don't. I've never understood like something like that to be gin. I'm like,

that says the alcohol of the Nike Will. So alcohol itself is connected. I mean the Arabic word for alcohol means spirits. Well yeah, actually we say spirits too interestingly in English. Yeah, it's interesting. There's gin or spirits attached to every element in this earth and off every substance. So of course, how you know you can never be completely immune to this, even if you're just going to be in a case and pray all day. Prayer does

give us the light. So if you do get the best it can most cases, you can relieve yourself of it. I just praying. Have you ever have you ever encountered a case where you just you just couldn't like it was such a strong hold that some jin had on a on a person that there was just no way to give them relief. No, really, Wow, that lot's amazing.

Cases where it's taken me maybe three months, and again I can do these things within a matter of days if basically, um A lot of times if there is if it takes longer, it's because the person isn't open or willing to do their own spiritual work or there in her work. So if they want to come kind of stuff and it's narrative that they've been cursed and that's why they can't move forward. It keeps them stuck in a dart vibration. Yeah, without actually in the court. Well,

let me see this. You have you have clients who are not Muslim, right right, So how do you okay, how did those clients do the work if the work is all based through you look at in an Islamic framework, do you do they do that too? Well? I still do the doctors, so they'll listen to the Koran ing Um. I just I can speak to the more general terms, and I also can advise them of what to read constructor if they're Christian or Jewish, and I can also heal them in more of the like spiritual general terms.

I see just saying, have have you ever witnessed um a Christian or Jewish exorcism or one of a different tradition. No, but I have Well I've seen exorcisms and other people who weren't Muslim, but I haven't seen it from the Jewish tradition. So let me ask you this. I know this UM. I know this guy, and I actually tell the story in one of the episodes UM without identifying who it is. Uh. He is like an internationally known

national security expert. I mean, really, you know, somebody who has a lot of credibility and all kinds of spaces he testifies, like high level national hearings. And one night, out of the blue, he told me that he UM for a long time had a command over an entire group of gin that would protect to him, and that he could command them. And I know there, I know this is a thing that can happen. I have read

this over you know, hit the histories and stuff. But okay, is that something that you've ever like dabbled in, Like do you are you able to do that? Like or do you want to do that? Even like to be

able to control gin to make things happen. I do have a fascination with that, because there's a part of me that's controlling in the Capricorn take an immense skill and dedication, and a lot of these gin require you too fast for like forty nights or forty days, but that it's just not my realm because I feel like that teeters into a little bit of a great area and then that then you're kind of getting into Islamic magic, and so I haven't daubled in that. I'll can I

just tell you something. I'll be honest here. There have been times, especially when I'm working over the twenty years on a non's case, where I'm like, I'm so exhausted from like fighting in the courts that I'm like, I need to like summon a gin who's just gonna like figure this out for me, bring me the evidence I need to exonerate this man um. But I probably don't have the kind of discipline needed for that. You can do that are just as effective as working with jin.

We'll be right back after the short break. So I want to ask, um, gosh, this is so you have give kids. By the way, I'm pregnant. But oh well, congratulations, Sorry I step children. Okay, okay, thanks great. So I was gonna ask you you so you said at the top of of of our conversation that your parents are not a little bit like not thrilled with this. Your husband's encouraging. What about the rest of your family and friends?

Are people like kind of scared to be too close to you because they're like, she can see me, read me, know me way more than I want her to. Hum. I So my parents, I think, just tell people I'm married a little lawyer, and like that's what I do for a living. Now, Um, got it? I mean they know what I do. I don't think they ever. They've never said anything to me they I don't know how they talked about me to the family. Um for about

two years ago to three years ago. I used to be so petrified as the labeling a witch, and it bothered me when I would hear people associate what I do with switch crafts. So well, the blog you wrote. You said that the family you helped identify, you know, the murder of their son ended up calling them, which, yeah, that's terrible. Yeah. So about two years ago I went through a weird um phase where a lot of women in the community didn't want thing to do with me

because they kind as a witch. All of them benefited from my service, by the way, But that made me realize, Um, I don't need to seek validation for other people. I don't need to prove myself to other people. I don't need their approval. I know what I'm about, I know my worth. Um, you know, God shows me to do this. I'm walking with God. So that kept me from yeah, I mean getting out of that scenario. Now I don't

care what people call me. They can call me which if they want, if they think I have all this power, okay, great, if that were true, I would have won the lottery years ago. Um, but my parents, I think my mom she doesn't like what I do because she's petrified it's going to come back on me me. So like, now I'm pregnant, she don't do anything. Just you of your husband. I don't work. Yeah, I was like, if you're educated, just but this is this is a labor of love.

I mean, you're not doing this because you're like, this is how I'm going to make a living. You making a living doing this I think is warranted and it should. I mean, nobody should do this kind of work without um, you know, being compensated for it. But this is your this is a calling. I feel like I'm living my purpose. Really, I'm still a writer. I still am gonna have a book deal one day and I'll be able to work. But I'm launching projects soon. I mean I have an

ascension deck, like I have other side projects. I have a little brokaya box that I put together help you know, cleans um. But I really love helping people and I'm really great at what I do knock on wood and the like relief that people have and the joy they have gives me so much. Joint for helm. Well, let me say this. I you, um are actually a fantastic writer. You really are, and I can't I mean, you know, blogging.

Everybody can blog, and a lot of people write online, um, but not everybody really has su such a great school. You're actually very good writer. Can I ask you? I'm curious this might not be connected at all to the conversation. But what your book is about that you're working on?

Are you've finished? Had? The manuscript I wrote years ago was about this Muslim, fabulous woman trying to navigate the dating scene in l A and and as a spiritualist is believe it or not, you can't believe how many men would not want to date me when they found out that I was in a virgin I didn't drink, of course. Amazing husband was the only guy who was previously married before who had no problem my values. Um and it was It's just kind of like a chick lit.

And then I ended up. Since then, I haven't touched it since. But I turned that into the column clads to product. Okay, okay, I just chopped up the chapters in the section or installments. Now I'm writing about Islamic gess terrorism. So I mentioned a little bit about how each name of God is connected to a planet, and each is connected to a letter in the Arabic alphabet, which was also connected to an angel and to a gin. So I'm I'm delving more into spirituality. The very first

um election of the second episode in the series. This interview series is with a Professor Ali Alumi. Are you familiar with him? I followed him. I started following him in Twitter a few months ago. He's phenomenal. He's phenomenal. Yeah, and you should definitely check out that that interview. It was great talking to him, and I did not It wasn't until I discovered his threads that I knew. I had never in all these years of growing up Muslim,

I'm forties six years old, knew any of this. This esoteric, like this whole world. And I want you to explain to things to me, what is exactly what is esoteric? What is what is being esoteric? What does esoteric mean? And what is a cult mean? To you? What are the differences between these things? So esoterrorism And I believe the light of God and the light of the universe the secrets of the verse, and I believe you can

access that outside of the sun. But the Slam specifically, there's so much knowledge about the unseen and about how to elevate and to connect a source and to live such a god conscious life, and we're barely touched in the surface of that. And how a Slam is taught occult is more about the unseen world. Whether it's about Gin or about um the intricacies of how magic works. And I don't think magic is a bad thing. So

magic can be good, then magic can be bad. But the words we speak are is a form of magic. So prayer is a form of magic, and I think that's very powerful. Here's what I'm wondering. I'm such a late person, right, I feel like I'm I'm that kind of person where if I touch this stuff it could

go terribly wrong. So do you have should you be somebody who has either like a lot of spiritual discipline, has a lot of like have has had years of learning and practice, meditates because you know, there are fools who can take this stuff and I think just really mess up their lives with it. Yeah. So is this really for the late person or should most of us stay away from this stuff? I don't for some I don't fear this stuff. I don't have fear of Gin.

Humans are more powerful than Jin. It's just a lot of us get into fear and we feel like if we dabble with it, they're going to take over our lives. I don't believe that. Um, I do. I would love to teach women how to be more spiritual and to do what I do, because I think it's very important for women to have these tools. I think everybody should start at the basic, which is meditate and align yourself

with God and whatever definition God is for you. Align yourself to sources, and learn how to really become so rooted within yourself that you rooted with God so that whatever obstacles come in your life, whether it is coming from magic or whatever, you can handle it with grace and with strength. And that's the essence of what I

try to help people with. So after the whole production of the exorcism is done, I focus on how do we keep you elevated in God's way so that if this happens again, it's not going to be so catastrophic to your life. I encourage everybody, whether they're male or female, to tap into their spirituality because we are such strong creative beings and we're not accessing like a tenth of our own power. Because power, you don't need to conjure Gin. You don't need to Conjuregin. I hope I don't have

to for the case at least. UM, let me ask you this, how can you tell when you are contacted by somebody who believes they might be possessed. How can has it been a time where you've met somebody you said, that's not Gin, that's maybe something else, Maybe it's something in your life, depression, it's behavioral, like, how can you differentiate? How can people know what how to heal themselves or

what they really need to heal themselves. So I've noticed this general theme with women who are stuff and a guy they think it's they broke up because of magic. And so if I mean, I can clearly see when magic is not somebody because I can read their aura and I can see what's going on in the energetic field, and if there's no Gin for me to talk to, then I know that they're not possessed. They're not convinced

with it, like they're really looking for an excuse. That tells me they are just stuck in a lot of heartache and I can't get out of that emotional state to really see what the reality. Others who maybe have a lot of obstacles with finding a job, getting a career, going um, A lot of those issues tend to statistically be due to magic or some type of evil eye energy.

So there's common symptoms and then there's your common symptoms of gin possession, like unexplainable pain or a medical condition that UM doctors can't figure out or that medicine can't even heal. Then you know, okay, there's got to be a spiritual component to that. UM If they I feel like every opportunity that comes to them doesn't come into fruition, then you can assess, Okay, is this because of an evil eye energy or is it because if they were

cursed that their roads are closed? So you learn through if you can't see, like how I can see, you can kind of diagnose by the symptoms. Veering off from this question has nothing to this question. But I was just as I've been doing research into the different kinds of gin, I didn't know that there's a gin that apparently is worn with you and die with you and stays with you like it's like your gin, like your the Karnean or Greina. Right, I believe that's your shadow self?

What do you believe that that is your shadow self? Or what does that mean? What does that mean? So that's a psychology term, but really are like our dark side. We're all born with light, we're also born with darkness. And that all into a big part of your ego. But I'm sorry to pay off. Oh no, no, no, okay, that's interesting. No, that's good to know. So you don't think that's an actual and actual physical gin um in

the way we understand there are other gen exists. You think that's just like a an aspect of our own personalities. We have our own spiritual guides, so have our own spiritual counsel, and we have a guardian um. It's not necessarily guardian angel. It's a guardian guide. And they can be profits, they can be other beings from the time of the Salan, or they can be from our ancestry. Oh that's interesting. Can I ask you something? You said

you do um some healing online and you do. I mean, obviously in covid era you have to do your work online most of it. I'm sure. As you're sitting here talking to me, do you get any kind of vibe from me, any kind of sense for me? Is there a darkness? Do you want me to be open? Yeah? I do, I absolutely do. I absolutely do. What you're funny, Robbia Chaundthy, you do have a dark energy that's attached to the lower back and your lower abdomen, so that if you have full pain that you can't seem to

get you know, treated or relief from UM. That dark energy is stagnant emotional energy that you haven't processed fully. You don't have a curse, but you do have somebody is keeping you kind of like under their thumb, so they work with the gin to try to suppress you. It's not a curse. I want to stress that, UM, and that is an involving your your public persona, so like your ability to maybe have more achievements in your work or in your cap or have more positive publicity

so that you can obviously easily break UM. There is a lot of ancestral specifically from your mother's lineage, that makes you feel like you're constantly having to fight, not just in your yourself my mind, John, I'm gonna have I'm gonna cry. Are you kidding me? Okay? Keep going because this is like freaking me out, but keep going, Okay. So that is what we call usually ancestral trauma or oh god, I really want to stress that you're not cursed. Conversation.

That is probably the most damaging energy you're you're battling. Oh my god, you have to clear notus off myself and have to be cleared from the entire maternal lineage. Oh my gosh. Okay, So I just to respond to what you've said, I am actually crying. Um. This is a second interview I've done today, and I cried at the early one too. Anyway. Um, So for years I had terrible, terrible lower back pain from a very badly

inserted eper jural. It took years. It actually took after about maybe ten years, I got hit jama done, which is the cupping, and and that in one session removed it. However, when you talk about my lower abdomen, I had a very major lower abdomen surgery earlier this year, and I had the surgery because it was necessary. I have been unable to have it for years and I am still after eight months recovering from it, and I still feel pain from it. And there's a lot of emotional baggage

from it. Um. So that's shocking. As far as a person hold trying to hold me under the thombach, I don't know who that is, but I'll say whatever prayers it is. Um, not even so much that I am craving or seeking anymore. And her success. I'm content, but like I said, I really do want to get it non home and also in general, you don't want people to not like you. But the matriarchal thing, Uh, there is a lot of trauma in the women on my mother's side and it is uh, maybe the greatest source

of of stress in my life. Um, including an aunt who has mental health issues who just last week I spent a lot of time trying to find her housing. And I mean it, but oh my goodness, I can't even But you know, when you say you have to cleanse that from the whole line, I don't even know how to start a word to begin on that. So and so if you have any suggestions, I'll take that. Now you're a dominant thing is It would be really simple, Thicks,

if you decided to get this done spiritually. Um, it would be a combination of obviously what I would have to do on my end, but then you would have to take your diet just a little bit for a few weeks. The ancestral trauma, incestral energy. Um, nobody, if nobody fights like the woman in my mom's family, nobody, right. That usually takes a good like twenty one to thirty

days to really uproot. And it can be um hard to go through because it requires hard on you in terms of emotionally, like a lot of episodes might be coming up for you. You You might have a lot of dreams that might be difficult, or memories that come up. But um, it's imperative to cleanse it because you don't want your bloodline to continue suffering. I had a very smart thing in my family and it took six months. I've been I've been dealing with it for forty odd years.

I feel like I can. I can if it takes six months, I'm willing to put in the work. So, Jehan, you might have made yourself another client. So I'll be following up with you soon on some of these things. My goodness, thank you so much. It's been an hour. I can honestly could go on and on. I just can't even imagine. The stories that you hold and the work that you do is not just helping people, but it's it's you know, even as an attorney when I was practicing, you carry the burden of your clients pain

and difficulty and suffering with you. So the fact that you're able to do that, um, for the sake of helping people. You know, that's amazing. So may you know God bless you and your continuing your work. And when we wrap up, I'm going to tell our listeners where they can find all of your work. And I really hope to see your book get published because I will certainly be one of your first readers. But thank you

so much. If you want to get in touch with John and find out all about her and read her writings, I mean, she's a fantastic writer, just check out her website again. It's j Mancy dot com. That's a welled J M A N s y dot com and there you will find links to her various blogs. Also, if you scroll down to the bottom of any one of her web pages, you'll see handles for Twitter, Instagram, and

Facebook and you can contact her there. You can also book a session with her by clicking on the page titled Rukaya Center, and can also check out her shop. Right now, she's selling this beautiful deck of cards called the Ascension Deck that has um this gorgeous calligraphy and the names of God on them. They're really beautiful. Um So, anyhow, I hope you enjoyed that. I hope you follow her

on Instagram. She does great videos. Um and reach out to her if you if you have questions or anything, and I hope, well we get to have her back on sometime. I hope you enjoyed that conversation as much as I did. Now there are as many people in the world with Jin stories as there are gin, so if you have one you'd like to share, make sure to email it to me at the Hidden Gin at gmail dot com. That's the Hidden Gin. Th H E H I D d N d J I n N at gmail dot com. And until next time, remember we

are not alone. The Hidden Gin is a production of I Heart Radio and Grim and Mind from Aaron Mankey. The podcast is written and hosted by Robbiah Chaudry and produced by Miranda Hawkins and Trevor Young, with executive producers Aaron Mankey, Alex Williams, and Matt Frederick. Our theme song was created by Patrick Quartetz. For more podcasts from I Heart Radio, visit the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.