People say, oh, I say, you know, come on, Jason, tell me what's your you know, your best moment, your most professional moment. I'll just stop everyone there. I'd say, how do you measure success? I mean I measure success by the fact that my kids still want to hang out with me, and I'm fifty six and they're in their mid twenties. That's success to me.
Hi, and welcome to separate bathrooms. We would like to acknowledge the Gadigle people of the Eur nation, the traditional custodians of this land, and pay our respects to the elders, both past and present. I'm cam Dado on my pat malone with you. I'm really excited to speak with a
fellow who I met close to forty years ago. That's right hard to fathom that I say forty years because in my mind, I think he'll be perpetually in his early twenties and I don't feel any I don't feel like anywhere near sixty.
That just blows my mind.
Jason Donovan and I met at the beginning of our careers working for Channel ten. He joined the Neighbors Cast and I was in my first year of hosting televisions. Off the dish at four o'clock. It was an afternoon kid's show. Jay was around eighteen. I think I was about twenty. Jason and I would be invited to telethons, Logi Awards and other Channel ten promotional events. We drove against each other in the Australian Grand Prix. Yes, Celebrity race.
I still had a bone to pick. Hang on, he's not here yet, but I don't know what that echo is. I've still got a bone to pick with him about that.
And then when I got my first shot at acting, it was beside Jason in the Heroes. I can say, though we have not spent a lot of time together over the journey, I do rate him as a deer compadre and among other things.
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Cam, Hey buddies. See so tell me, so, tell me what is the I remember the rear vision mirror and I remember seeing your face driving in Adelaide that the Grand Prix. I think I might have cut you off on a court might have you might.
Have cut me off on the corner you did on the last turn, on the final turn of the fifth lap, I was sitting in front of you.
Do you remember Greg Norman?
Vaguely?
Okay?
So Greg Norman drove past us both on a blue flag, so he broke the rules, and which is interesting for a golfer to break the rules. And he broke the rules because someone had crashed. And then suddenly you're behind me, and I'm like, oh my god, and you were edging me, and you got the front of your car and you nudged my rear with my rear corner panel, and you pushed me just enough off the track and slid by me to take third spot or fourth Dinny, Yeah.
You know, I can't. I can't even remember. I'll tell you of one other great story. I don't know whether we got the time, but I did a similar thing here in the UK for the British Grand Prix with celebrity race beforehand and very shortly before you get your cams license and blah blah blah. You're sitting there and having your brief at Silverston and of course they say take you know, take the line, you know, keep stick to your lines, because that's the best way around the track.
I think I was like sixteenth on the grid. I didn't time well. So the lights start to go and I look at, of course everyone, all these celebrities, and we had these Ford fiestas with like sponsorships on top, which were like watches. They were physical watches. It was. It was sort of bizarre, you know, made Adelaide, Yeah, made Adelaide look sexy, you know, I can't. I think they were cameras. Were they the cars holding anyway? Whatever?
Took this first, and then of course everyone on this first corner goes wide, and I thought it's a race. I just went straight down the middle. I went from sixteen to one, all right. I couldn't believe. I couldn't believe everybody was playing by the rules, and I thought, this it's a race. You know, you get into the
corner as quick as you could. But at the back of the Silverston at the straight, unfortunately, I had a particular watch that wasn't a wind friendly, so I putting my foot down and it was acting as a sale against me, and I think I ended up in the same same position on the grid as I did when I started. But look, I apologize Cam. It's obviously it obviously reverberates very strong in your memory because you can even remember the positions.
But I forget most things these days, mate, But I do remember random facts and random things.
It's quite bizarre. Hey, where are you? Where have we found you?
I'm in London. I'm at my home in London. I lived here for you know, for on and off for thirty years. Yeah, you know, notting Hill, West London. I don't really always say that, but that's where I am and wife, kids, wife kids, and have been married since my fortieth birthday in Bali. I have three kids, Jenna twenty four, Zach twenty three, and Molly thirteen. Yeah, and I'm still here mate. You are telling Showby's stories, telling Showby's stories.
It's amazing.
So when you first started, I mean you started, I think it was Skyways, wasn't it the TV show?
It was?
And your dad, Terry was an actor.
How did your upbringing shape this artistic journey that you've been on all these years?
Well, it shaped everything, you know. I was brought up by my dad's My parents split when I was quite young, you know. Interestingly, my father got custody of me, you know, and I guess I spent the sort of the seventies, you know, on sets, you know, with my dad's because we didn't really have other than my grandmother. My father's
mother didn't have sort of help. So I would be picked up by my dad, you know, in full cop shop costume and make up, with a gun holstered to Dad's side of his chest, you know, as he was in between between filming. Yeah, I guess, you know, like a lot of a lot of people, you tend to follow in your parents' footsteps in some ways, some don't, you know. I mean, I've heard this NAPO baby thing.
I just ignore it completely, you know. I think it's sort of aligned to celebrity and social media people trying to find tags to sort of lock onto. I know one thing, I had a passion for performing, and I had a passion for my craft. And I say that to my kids these days. I said, you know, jem is an actress. Pick your eye on the craft and you know you won't go wrong. You know, you'll you'll
always you know, fame was a complete default position. It was not the intention Neighbors was you know that moment. But Neighbors to me was an acting job, not an opportunity to become famous.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think that's that's the pickfall that a lot of people have today. If they if they're after the head into the career to be famous, you won't probably last as long as if you're heading into your career as an actor to tell stories and to be in the story and to do that.
It's a better chance at it, isn't it.
Yeah, you know, and it's you know, it's been an it's an interesting ride, but you know, my passion is performing, and you know, music became another aspect to that which sort of was never really planned. It just sort of happened that I discovered, you know, my love for songs particularly and what music can do and how it could put you in a time and a place.
Yeah.
Absolutely, And you know it's it's that that completely screwed with my intention of becoming that actor. It sort of, you know, took me in a different different direction.
You mentioned Neighbors before. I'm gathering you would consider Neighbors as your big break. Yeah, yeah, okay, So what was your experience like on Neighbors, and more so probably the recognition that followed. I know, you weren't in it for fame, you were in it for being an actor.
And telling do we playing that part? But how was that for.
You back in the eighties. I mean, I'd have to my memory. Look, it changed my you know, you know, Neighbors was an extremely unique happening, you know in Australia and around the world this you know TV, so I mean for a long time, you know, Australians were seen as this sort of you know, outpost Crocodile Dundee, sort of laconic, comic type of country where pawns are thrown on barbies. You know, Neighbors came along and showed Suburbia or Australia, and it showed a different type of Australia.
And it was it was driven particularly by the youth and you know, not to undermine the older cast members of course, but it was underscored I think by younger calt It was a different, different scene. Look, it changed my life, you know, you know, you can you know, we all know now television is in a different place, you know, in those days, you know, growing up in Melbourne you have Channel zero, Channel nine and Channel seven and Channel two. You know, that's it. Now. It's a
different world. So you know, when twenty million people are watching you there, you know, buying into your person your personality, your character, it's a very powerful platform in which to do things. You know. And notwithstanding look, I think, you know, I think for you know, Jan rossu cast, Neighbors got it in a unique way. I don't think she would ever intended, but she got you know, a bunch of actors together who who'd had a bit of experience and we're just about to go off, as we'd say, do
you know what I mean? I think you know Kylie myself, you know, guy there, we'd all had a live little bit of you know, experience beforehand. There was a bit of pedigree there, and it just Neighbors came along and was the right time at the right place. You know. I've got to say, I don't believe in luck. I think you create your own luck in life. But timing in life is everything, you know. Yeah, that's that's there. Was the nuts and bolts.
Yeah, I remember, because I didn't aspire to her to getting into the business.
I just said, yes, there was just you know, people just go you want to try this? Yes, I'll be there.
And sort of two years later after saying my first yes, after being thrown out of university, you know, I end up hosting a TV show and then you know, do you want to do it? Do you want to be an actor? Yes, I'll do that. I'm never aspired to it. And then here's you and I on the set of The Heroes in Cans, working together with John Hargraves, John Bass, Johnny Hewitt, a lot of John's there and and so that was the first for me. And like I said, you know, the Grand Prix, we got.
To do that.
There was logis, yeah, yeah, I don't know if you remember when we were doing The Heroes. There was a lot of practical jokes going around. Yes, yes, it was really it was really good fun. And was that your first mini series?
Two?
Was that? That was your first departure out of Neighbors, wasn't it?
Yeah? I think it was. Well it was in terms of doing something completely different. I mean I'd had obviously, you know, TV experience before Neighbors. But you know, one is always trying to find you know, there's a complacency with success. You know, you want to mix things up a little bit and change in a bit, and and the Heroes was an opportunity to stick on and with Channel ten. So you know there was there was good.
There was a good you know, they were they were they were sharp, and you know we got to work together. I think that who was it Paul Reese who was the league? I think I saw him mate in Saltburn. Yes, she did this, she did as the butler. I was sitting there the other day with a bottle of red and I watched Saltburn Saltburn, and I was completely you know, I don't have an appetite for you know, I really like to be on point with watching television or movies.
I've got to really like. So that's why I tend to go to films because I know the actors. I know, I get a sense of where I'm not going to be wasting two hours of my time. And I watched Saltburn and I was completely blown away. And then Paul Reese there he was is the sort of.
Where do I know that guy from?
Yeah? It was bizarre, man.
This fantastic How people can do that or actors can do that?
You think about it.
I'm often fine I'll go, where's that person, and suddenly they'll turn up on a movie, you know, on a TV.
Show, and that's where they are.
You mentioned music before and how that was not on your radar yet.
You had such great success. How did that come about?
Well, I'd always had an inkling with Dad, and he was musical Theater Chicago was probably something in the early eighties that I The musical Chicago. I watched fifty sixty times and I just fell in love with it. Richard Ware at Geralink Turner, Nancy Hayes, Sydney Theater Company production.
Dad was fantastic. Blah blah blah. Anyway, you know, I part that, you know, Dad and all these sort of crazy seventies actors were very negative people most of the time, and you've got to understand that, Well, most actors are out of work, let's be honest. You know, that's the sort of that's the nature of the business. So I was surrounded a lot by that. But what came out of that was was, you know, Jason, you need to be versatile, you know, you need to think of the
next move. And you know entertainment music, singing, dancing. Not a great dancer. I never have felt that was my strength. So, you know, with the birth of Neighbors, you know, there was a neighbour's band guy, you know, Cray. You know, there's some really talented NI musicians there, Kylie of course, myself and Kylie singing, you know, in the car on the way to Frankston, you know, whispering Jack or you know that, you know far you know, going to Queensland,
George Michael, you know, so music. And then of course Kylie's success happened. And you know, I've been very honest about this. You know, I looked at her and thought, wow, you know, this is this is interesting. And of course once her success happened, they knocked on my door and do you turn it down and go, no, I'm not that type, or do you go maybe that's an opportunity for me as well. And I took the latter and I'm glad I did you know, I mean, that's you know, yeah.
And was that the point?
So you and Kylie were dating for a while, there was that during was she having musical success during that time?
What did that come afterwards?
Absolutely? Absolutely?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that.
Was nineteen eighty nine was my sort of year. And then that's when that sort of we all moved in our different directions. Yeah, success, Yeah, interesting.
Tell me, look, I've got to ask you this. I was talking to him Made of Mine today and I told him where I was coming. I said, I'm speaking to Jason Donovan. And he said to me, he goes, why did they keep there? Why did him and Kylim and I keep that a secret for so long?
Do you reckon? I said, I don't know. I'll ask him.
Yeah, Well, there was so much invasion of privacy at that point, you know, and neighbors, you know, to emulate what you're doing on screen and off will not emulate. But it was well, you know, we were living with
each other and performing with each other. There has to be some aspect to privacy and also you know, preserve you know, the opportunity to not always give the press sometimes what they want to hear, you know what I mean, or not not not always not give the press what they want to hear, but just just be very sort of you know, selfish in our own ways, and just so that's really none of anyone else's business, you know, you know, and you know I'm not you know, I
think was it the right thing of the wrong thing. I don't know, you know, I don't I don't really don't really analyze it. Yeah, but privacy, yeah, I mean you always want an audience wanting more, don't you do? You know what I mean? In a way, and when you've got that moment in time, maybe that's what that was about, you know, sort of that whole guessing.
I don't know, because I mean, you had the spotlight was hot on YouTube, wasn't it? And the show so I totally understand why you be going. Yet we're not sharing this part of it that no one needs to know.
I think you had moments like that too, can in your your career. Probably we've all had moments like that, you know, with relationships and people are they are they not? You know, so I think we're all all in that.
Well sometimes.
Yes, Look I can say for me because I didn't aspire to acting, it came later to me.
You know, I have a stutter, and so speaking on.
Camera or on stage or you know, any of that sort of thing was an absolute nightmare thought for me.
I had a start.
Oh yeah, I.
Mean I still battle with it every now and again, but it was quite when I was doing Perfect Match I used to get stuck every now and again, but I find another word that was my getting through it. I'd get another word in my mind, and I was great synonyms and antonyms first.
Right, right, I do that.
Right. It's such a great, great world now in which we can, you know, be a lot more transparent about those things. And you know, I think the world is changing in some ways for the worse and some ways for the better, you know, So you know, I think, you know, you know, in the eighties you bury stuff like that. Not in the eighties nineties. You know, there's a world in which those things, you know, not being perfect.
Everybody wanted to try and be perfect. Now, imperfection sometimes are your greatest as it.
Sure it builds resilience, doesn't it. And that builds confidence. What I was getting to for me when I started to act, I felt like an impostor. I was like, oh my gosh. You know, like, especially when we were doing Heroes, there was us. The guys are around us. I don't know if you remember this, but the guy the young guys around us were mostly nighter graduates. And you mentioned Paul Reese. He was a rata, you know, very technically rada guy, did you ever did you ever
battle with imposter syndrome or lack confidence? And how you know, if you did, how how would you get through it?
Well? Lack confidence? Yeah, I mean it's only now really as a performer. Honestly, as a performer, I feel fully in my stride a little bit more.
You know, why is that having.
Blonde hair and blue eyes, you know, is an asset when you're young. And also you know, and being you know, the person I was was a complete asset, but also you know, very difficult to overcome that sort of credible and my worthy type of yeah, you know, and use
you question a lot of things. I mean, the irony is and I've said this, you know to you know, actings are funny and entertainment's a funny thing because you could go and study, you know, to be a carpenter and you know, get an apprenticeship and mostly be guarantee that you're going to work. You can go to night
or and never work again. You know, if you're not the not the right shape, so you know, and a lot of I mean, you know, I guess even in the music industry, you know people I mean from a soap, is that the right way well, Johnny Depp was in twenty one Jump Street mate Harry Styles was in one direction on X Factor. So you know, if you're going to the landscape of how we produce longevity, I guess
is that the key word here. It comes down to hard working through those anxieties and self doubts, constantly working on your craft and you know, making sure that when the timing is right, you're prepared. And I think, I think, if I'm going to be honest with you, that's where my my career or my has worked for me, you know, and that comes down to a good work ethic with my dad, you know, interesting watching him, watching him work. And also, I'll give you one other thing in my
life that's really kept me going is physical fitness. You know, I've always kept physically fit, even when I've had you know, the nineties weren't particularly a great moment for me. You know, I had all that success, I had to process that. How do you in today's world that comes under the title of mental health. Back then, it was just like God, you were so lucky, and you know you went off the rails, But how do your dad or was I
to deal with what happened? To me, but I kept fit and the fitness got me through the other side. And when I got through the other side, I've never you know, never looked back and never been stronger, you know.
I mean it's well documented. You now I'll just cry. Okay, So let's so, what do you do for your mental health today?
I still keep fit, mane. I'm doing a lot of ice bars at the moment, you know, yeah, yeah, I do a lot of ice bars. We're in the UK at the moment, we're in that sort of mad or autumn where the clocks are about to go back and the temperatures dropping. A lovely time of the year, beautiful light. But what do I do to keep you know, mentally?
Have you done?
They really done therapy? I'm going to I'm going to say I've talked to so many journalists, sat.
Down and more normally had some sort of article written about me to go, ah, okay, this is where I'm happiest, and this is where I'm unhappy, and this is where I get a school out of ten.
No, I certainly I think I might have touched on therapy for a while, but it's not been a major part of my physical fitness. When I go from run, when I go in nice bath, when I go and swim, when I go riding through London, or when I'm in Sydney or Melbourne. If I'm going down the beach in the morning and I do my lapse, I stretch, I feel fantastic if I when I try and avoid alcohol these days a bit because it gives me anxiety.
Except when you're watching saltburn, except when I'm watching.
And that gives your heartburn.
And I'm popping next and tablets anti reflux.
Where are you finding growing up? You?
You we both love surfing and I know you have to surf at Bondi and stuff.
Where are you surfing in in England? You're finding a wave?
Do you know what, mate? I learned many years to go to swap swap my surf surfboard for a guitar. It was giving me a surfing on a guitar. No, no, I swapped it for a guitar. So yeah, so I hadn't done a lot of surfing, I'll be honest with you.
So I couldn't believe it when you moved to the UK, and we'll get in there. So many things I want to touch on, but I was like, what's he going to do for waves? This man loves to surf and he's moved to, you know, probably the least surfing place in the world.
Why did you How was that?
What were the cultural differences for you when you moved over there?
Well, I mean, you know, I came here on a red carpet cam, you know, so it was very different for me, you know. I mean, notwithstanding though, you know, it was also very difficult for me because I was seeing this wonderful opportunity. But you know, all my mates are having a great time, having just come out of school and you know, in Melbourne, having you know, the time of their lives, and here I was locking to
this sort of opportunity work routine, which I loved. I'm not I'm not, you know, but but London sort of changed for me when I started to have a bit more of a good time I suppose, you know, and have a drink and just enjoy my friends. And it's a great city. You know, it's a great city. And when you're on a roll, you know, in this town like I was, you know, and also from Melbourne, you know, Melbourne London similar that I've been from Sydney, yeah, I
think in a way, there's there's there's certain parallels. It's a big Sunday afternoon roast, lots of reading and lots of newspapers, and you know, that sort of world sort of got into my skin a little bit. And subsequently, you know, even now, you know, I tend to you know, we've got a place out of town. So you know, the English countryside is incredible. You know, it's incredible, the history, the history in this part of the world, you know, amazing, amazing.
As your role as a dad, how has that influenced career choices and priorities over the over the years for you?
Well, I mean I'm you know, I don't has necessarily influenced my choices. Well maybe it has in the sense that I've had to keep you know, we've got to play a lot of skill fees, you know, so so you know, and I think education is extremely important with children, and I've been lucky enough to be able to give my children what I consider good education here in the UK.
That's the priority in my life, education and health. But you know, I what children just changed my life, you know, I mean, you know, people say always say, you know, come on, Jason, tell me what's your you know, your best moment, your most professional moment. I'll just stop everyone there. I say. It's got nothing to do with how many units or how many people have watched a television show. It's about you know, the children and you know that's playing in the sand, and is the rest of the stuff.
You know? You know, how do you measure success? I mean I measure success by the fact that my kids still want to hang out with me and I'm fifty six and they're in their mid twenties. Yeah, that's success to me.
Yeah, that's brilliant. I like that.
So what what what do you what strategies do you use to do the work life balance?
Well, you know, I think and she has a great respect for my my work, and she's very supportive. She's an incredible mum, you know, and you know, my best friend, so there's a respect there. She was in theater, she was a stage manager, so she gets it.
Is that how you guys met?
Yeah, we met on the Rocky Horror shot in nineteen ninety eight enough, so there's a bit of a bit of pedigree there as well. Work life balance, that's an interesting one, can because I don't know whether I've I've been striving for a long time to try and get that one right. Problem is, I love to work and I like to enjoy the good things in life and they cost money. You know. Not great at relaxing and taking it easy. I need to probably get to that point.
But again, you know, keeping fit, you know, sort of eating well. I love the garden. Try and get out in my garden a lot, you know, I try, and and you know I'm a bit of a I love my home. I'm really into, you know, making sure the home looks. It's my piece of art in my life, in my way. You know, it all looks nice.
And are you a DIY guy? Can you find your way around?
I try, but no, patience is not great, you know, And I really tried, but I'm always doing things too quick. You know, I'm doing things too quick, so it never works out. So it's better to pay for the professionals.
What do you think?
I know this is a hard question when I say what is the most But tell me what do you think are the most memorable lessons? Just one or two that you've learnt throughout your well career.
The one that comes to mind instantly and It's a quote I heard recently, and I've told it to a couple of companies, companies that I've worked with, meaning I'm normally the old bastard these days. I'm normally the old guy when I go into these shows. And for some reason, by the musical theater has become my sort of bread butter, and it's because of the acting and the scene. Listen, I'm very happy. I love the genre. But my quote is, hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard.
I like that. I like that say that again.
Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard. Because I've always felt I've always felt I've always I've watched a lot of performers around me over the years. God, you know, they could pick up a script and they learn it straight away. I wish I could do that. Man, you know, I've watched singers he just naturally look always relaxed, because singing is about the best way to sing is just when you're just free. And I felt like I've
always had to thrive, you know, for that. And I feel, as I mentioned in the start, is that it's sort of paying off, that hard work is starting to pay off a little bit that that you know, doing you know, working at something every day, you know, working at something every day, that suddenly these kids that are coming in and young adults that are you know, are looking towards you as you know, for a modern inspiration, but certainly as a role model, I suppose. But yes, hard work.
Hard, Yeah, hard work beats everything. It's like I have you ever worked with a fellow called Larry Moss.
You know who?
Larry Moss is, the American director script.
Basically helps people like Leo DiCaprio breakdown a script. He's incredible, right, and he would always say to me, the.
Red carporate is dirty, Cameron, the red carpet is dirty.
Do your work, you know.
And it was just all about that if you do the work, everything to take care takes care of itself. And that's with parenting, that's with I think marriage, friendships.
Importantly, you know, you've got to put the work in.
Yeah, I think this repetition, you know, in what we do mate is really is really interesting because with repetition, even if you're not necessarily it's only recently I've become a big reader.
You know, I was never a big reader, but with repetition, the text starts to have different ways, different interpretations. Songs start to have different, different pauses, different breath moments. You know. Repetition is I've heard Pacino talk about this a bit, you know. You know, repetition brings text music to life, you know, and it can seem boring to a lot of people, particularly in the social media world where everything's quick,
you know, quick, quick, quick. Got to keep working at it, mate.
Do you remember the conversation we had.
It was probably back in twenty fifteen around there, and I spoke to you about playing the captain in Yes, okay, so there was something that you said to me, and also it was said to me by the director. He said, look, if you tell the truth every night with this part.
It will be different every night. Just stay in the moment.
And I have to tell you because listener Jason was I was in Los Angeles getting ready for the role, and I knew Jay had played it. So we spoke on the phone and that was really helpful to me, that conversation that we had, and I had such a great time, So thank you for that.
You know. That's all right, Ye's all right, Well, you know you we didn't at paths haven't crossed a lot, can that? I'm you know, looking in speaking to you now, it feels like we are definitely connected more than we probably we need to be connected more. Well.
You know what someone says to me, you know, they go, what's your greatest role?
What's your greatest success?
I go, I think it's being in the business and working for four decades.
And I can see that with you too.
And how do you measure success? Mate? Some people find getting out of bed in the morning very difficult. Some people are fighting cancer. Some people are trying to earn a million dollars more than they earned last week. You know, how do you measure measure what's successful in life? You know? You know how many bedrooms and a house? Do you really know?
How many boats can you Swiss behind?
I mean, you know you just yeah, only do you know what I mean? And possessions are are wonderful, but but you know, it's all pretty meaningless. You know, if you don't have your health and your your friends and your family, you know, to be able to give it all meaning then you know, and it's all cliche. It's all been done before, it's all been said before, but it's it's you know, the brothers and fathers and mothers and sisters from a different generation were ye are right?
One last question, what's something about you that your fans might be surprised to learn?
I think they don't.
They don't, they don't. You've been pretty pretty quiet? Yeah?
Yeah, No, I'm a bit I mean the thing that comes. I'm not a great I'm a great sleeper, but but I do get anxious about small things. I'm a bit o c D. I'm you know, I have been an obsessive compulsive disorder with things like doors and locks. I'm absolutely obsessive about my bed and making sure it's made each day to perfection.
Okay, okay? Is it the four hundred thread count Egyptian cotton?
Yeah? Well yeah, I mean where do you go there? It's it's col Own and Cotton, which is a great company here in the UK. Listen, I think if you're going to spend your life half your life in bed, get it right, get that right. You know you wear beautiful clothes or you you know, try and make yourself comfortable. Don't you want to get in bed and feel the
minion dollars and feel great? Some people can't? You know, it's it's hard can because, as I keep saying, with all these wonderful things that we talk about, some people are struggling to even have a bed. So there's that whole paradox in life that keeps knocking on my door all the time too. You know, I try, in my work and my life and my people to keepers as focused on the truth and authenticity of who I am and who you know we are in this moment in time. That's all you know I can do.
Mate.
Well, this has been an incredibly what's felt like, an incredibly authentic conversation with you today.
Yeah, it's cool, it's cool, it's great.
It is hey, I love it. Let it out cost me a sin, No, it did not. And we had a good time and.
We had a good time, mate, good time.
Good on you mate, Hey listen, good luck with everything. And I hope that we get to hang out soon. Thank you so much for your time.
Mate, it's been good to loved it.
Well, there he goes Jason Donovan. JJ Donovan. We've known each other, like I said, for close to.
Forty years, and he hasn't changed. He's still lovely, humble, modest, brave, brave, fella, because yeah, he's made some choices and done some things that.
That are tough, and it's he's keeping it real, which is terrific. So that's us for this week.
Ali and I will be back together next week, so hopefully you can tune into Thanks for being here.