Hi , welcome to the Guides Podcast . This is India Lee Intuitive , and in this episode I'm talking with Landi Peek , who's a therapist . She does somatic therapy , she does coaching , and we delve together into the phenomenon of life suddenly seeming less fulfilling , to say the least , when you get in your 40s .
Now , there are lots of reasons for this that we delve into and understanding these things that are happening around that age is really helpful . Whether you're approaching that age bracket , whether you've already passed it , whether you're smack in the middle of it , it is helpful to just understand the pivot that happens in our 40s .
So we're going to dive in now with Landy Peek . Enjoy with Landy Peak . Enjoy when you feel like so much is happening and unfolding and I want to like keep up with it . But it's like this breathless feeling and you have to kind of remind yourself to breathe and pace yourself because it's like , okay , all of it is on my path , none of it's going anywhere .
It's kind of like when you have a really great meal and you're just like slow down . That's favorite . Yes , that feeling , I love that feeling . Yeah , what have you been having that feeling with lately ?
Um , lately I've been tapping into working with women around this happiness dip that happens in our 40s alongside of perimenopause , and there's this double whammy that we're not talking about and it is just incredible . I mean so much like passion . I can't get enough to read and to learn and to talk about .
And it's a feeling like you're just running to keep up with , with , with , yeah , with the spark .
Get enough and it's , and it's the same like remind myself it's not going away . Right , I can't pace myself , but it is just there's like so much and the more women that I talk to , the more I'm like , oh my gosh , I have to get this out to everyone and it's just incredible , but it's so .
It was aha in my life because it's what was a huge part of what was happening .
There was some , you know , other shifts going on too last year , but a huge part was happening in like these brain changes and body changes that are going on with being in your 40s and perimenopause and yeah , nobody's talking about it and then that goes hand in hand with , astrologically , our shift from south node to north node happens just around that time as
well , which means we're going from one astrological energy to the exact polar opposite , but we are seeking a balance between them , and so we've got that , along with the hormones , the happiness factor , all of it .
So I am excited to hear what you've been learning about that and how you've been working with other women , and just what you've been learning about that and how you've been working with other women and just what you've been discovering . Share , share , share . Let's get it out there .
So I tapped in with you last year and we were talking about the node shift and so that you were my only guidance in this . Like , oh my gosh , my , it feels like you know , the floor just went out from under me in this . Like , oh my gosh , my , it feels like , you know , the floor just went out from under me .
I was driven , I had a career , family was good , it was all of this , and then it's like a split or a switch flipped and that was like I have no energy , I have no purpose , I don't want to do what I've been doing and you were guiding me in that node shift .
And then I started doing more research , tapped into perimenopause , which nobody had talked to me about , and it's basically , you know , we all women , humans with uteruses are going through it as we're shifting and it's like puberty , but backwards , where we're going . My daughter calls it unpuberty because I was trying to explain what was going on with me .
We're also in that like pre-puberty stage for her . So we're talking about puberty . She's like , oh my gosh , mom , it's unpuberty . It's like , well , kind of , that's brilliant . Yes , yeah , it's looking at . We don't have books about it , we don't talk about it .
And when we are looking at , you know , and when there is information around oh my gosh , menopause is going to hit it's all of the horror stories , but not actually what's going on . And then I had a huge happiness dump where I was no longer . I was dissatisfied with everything in my life , and so I dove into the research .
And our happiness goes on a U curve where we start to slide down in our thirties , hit rock bottom around 44 . And then it starts to go back up , and so , for women , we're hitting our fifties and feeling like we have our spark again . And so we have this huge shift .
And it's really what's happening , as our brain is shifting and changing from this very outward I'm getting things , I'm achieving things to more of a viewpoint around what's my legacy , how am I giving back ? And so our brains are undergoing this shift , our bodies are undergoing a shift . And then we have the notes .
And so I would add how am I giving back ? And also , how am I receiving ? Because that's the part that we , as feminines , really aren't programmed or taught to do the receiving , the joy , the receiving , the ease , whatever it is . I love what you're saying . We're probably about a decade or so apart I'm 52 .
And definitely noticing what you're talking about there was a dip and it is going back up or it's going up . The happiness , the , the ability to , to self-regulate , you know , is improving and I will never forget and I was probably like my twenties when I heard this .
But Oprah , years and years ago , when she was on TV every day talking about how the fifties were , the , the , you know , she was like life starts at 50 .
And you know , and I believe it's what you're talking about , which is this sort of rebirth through the 40s , yes , for women , into this new time in life , and it feels like it also comes with an entirely different way of viewing yourself .
It also comes with an entirely different way of viewing yourself , yes , not as dependent on relationships or public perception or on any of that . It's more , you know , internal . And isn't it interesting ?
It feels like as we , as time goes by , women move more in this direction of , you know , coming into their own internal authority , and meanwhile , the masculine men are moving more into their heart , more into their feminine . Yes , even the hormones , you know , put them more in their feminine energy . They're able to feel more .
And so it is really like a you go this way , I'll go this way , and we'll just kind of cross and go those opposite directions .
Absolutely , and it is . I'm so glad you put you brought up the receiving , because that is such a huge pivot where women are really pushing , pushing , pushing and giving , giving , giving . And in this time , and I have found in myself where I'm pulling back and , with your guidance , really pulled back and looked at what do I need and how am I going to .
It is a recreating of how you are really working and living in this world and there's a lot more of a shift around my priorities and it's incredible as we're doing it and it feels so isolating at the same time because we're not talking about it .
I'm glad you are starting this conversation with the women you're connecting with and now with our listeners here . So what were some of the things you experienced firsthand ? So you're early 40s .
I'm 44 . So hit in the middle , right at the lowest point , if you follow that U curve , yeah , so my 43 felt like the rock bottom , 44 is shifting . But I was doing a lot of work and a lot of really investigating in all areas what was going on , and I think we don't have to just hit that rock bottom .
I think we can mitigate some of this , and just the awareness of what's going on helps us be able to process , knowing that the strategies I used in my 20s and 30s to just keep pushing , to just ignore what was going on and make it happen stopped working , and so what worked in 20s and 30s didn't cut it in my 40s and so I had to re-figure it and it
wasn't like midlife crisis oh my gosh , huge you know thing that just pops up . It was a gradual shift and there are so many excuses I was making along the way of it's this and this and this and this , instead of really realizing what was happening .
Right . And then , once you started realizing it , how did you get your bearings ? How did you start to work your way out of that ?
dip , yeah . So the first thing I had a lot of serendipitous moments where I connected with you and reconnected with you , because I've been connecting with you for years now and that was a huge guidance in giving me , as we did our readings , giving me the okay , this is what I'm supposed to be doing . I'm on my soul's path .
I am supposed to be taking a pause , like stop pushing , and that's the permission that I needed to be able to sit .
And because my brain I'm an occupational therapist by trade and so my brain is very science-based and so I'm like , well , I've got to figure this out , and if I'm not just like doing work and pushing hard , I still want to dig in to figure out what was happening with me .
So I started with happiness , because that was my biggest like struggle and thing that felt like it was the biggest shift .
And so I dove into a lot of happiness research and there's a like 80 year long study outside of um , out of Harvard , that really looked at people's lives through the generations or through their lifetime and looked at what was the biggest components of happiness , and it was connection , and the connection with others , our relationships , showed that it increased our
mental health , our physical health , overall wellbeing , and I was like , well , I can do that . So I reconnected with friends , really focused on making those cause it doesn't have to be lots of people , just a few deep connections . Really focused on my relationship with my husband . Really focused on some small like friendship groups to feel that support .
Through that friendship group I tapped into a naturopathic doctor who helped me with hormones and so that was like really shifting the physical . So that was like taking away .
I didn't have to focus on all these physical symptoms anymore and could really focus on other things and so you're talking about the different layers of our being , because we another thing we're not really taught to do is regularly , and as part of our regularly and as part of our self-awareness , checking in and and doing what we can to help balance all those
layers of being our physical , our mental , our emotional , our spiritual without neglecting any of those . And , yeah , when we start reconnecting with our bodies , when we start taking a look at hey , what , how is my mind doing ? You know , do I ? Do ? I need some support there . Yes , uh-huh , it really makes a big difference . I love the , you know .
It seems like big picture , wise science and spirituality and medicine they're all converging , you know , to basically say the same thing , you know , and that seems appropriate for our age of Aquarius , where we're all connecting and becoming sort of this one consciousness , uh , you know , in a way that we're aware of . That's really cool .
Um , the other thing I'm I'm noticing is you talking about connections when , when we're younger , in our teen and early 20 years , it seems like you know you have those built in relationships that you know you have . Just , we're all sort of in this class together .
Everybody fragments off to do their own thing , to go explore the world , to do careers and family and whatever they're doing , and then those kids get older or those careers get older and we start having that need again to connect and then we have to do it in a whole new way .
Absolutely . One of the things I really got curious in myself and I've seen now in my clients is we have a lot of situational friendships as adults , where it's I have my friends that are parents of my kiddos , and I have my friends that are also therapists , and I have my friends that are coaches and entrepreneurs .
And as those situations shift then those friendships often disappear and it's kind of what you're talking about from when we're kids . But when we're kids we have longer situations . We're in school from , like kindergarten until we graduate , when we're seniors and we can have friendships for years and some of those deep relationships can continue and carry on .
But a lot of our adulthood is like it's the work friends , it's the kid friends , it's you know's the work friends , it's the kid friends , it's you know the neighborhood friends .
But when those situations change we lose those friends and a lot of those are superficial conversations instead of the deeper level support and so really getting curious about like I have a lot of social but I don't have those people , not many of those people that I could really tap into and say , oh my gosh , life is falling apart right now , like are you
feeling this too ?
And I lucked out and had a couple of really close friends that honestly one of them I'd like let go because it was easier to text every once in a while both moms , both busy and then throughout this last year , bringing in a conscious effort that we're talking once a week , really connecting , and she's been , you know , my bestie since I was little .
So it was nice to have that and bring that back in and I didn't realize how much I was missing those deeper connections those deeper connections and how much we again really are not programmed in our particular culture to allow ourselves those connections .
I mean , if you think about the way our nation started , you know we were pioneer homesteaders like running out and saying this is my land and I'm going to build here with my you know personal family .
And it was very kind of individualistic in that way , you know , and we weren't a country that was born on the village really , and the sense of the tribe and all of that . And it feels like now , as that sort of young country that we are only a couple hundred years old , we're starting to learn that oh yeah , we really need we really .
You know that that um tribe um philosophy and that , that culture of yes , people need each other . It's like oh yeah , we kind of need that . Now we see what the ancients were all about .
now you know , it seems like and is um , I know I found in myself and a lot of my clients and friends . It's almost like we pride ourselves for being able to do it all on our own and I had the mentality of oh my gosh , I'll just do it , I'll do it better and it'll be faster and easier .
But it's really isolating to be in that space and when you are struggling , you've really eliminated all of these places that you could get support . You feel uncomfortable . It's almost like , oh my gosh , I'm letting myself down , everybody else down if I ask for help gosh .
I'm letting myself down , everybody else down , if I ask for help .
Oh , and then , yeah , you add to that the uniquely feminine experience of what Cheryl Richardson writes about as the good girl , the good girl effect , which is , you know and she's , cheryl Richardson is a is an old school guru in the importance of self-care , why it's important tuning into what you need , because she writes that you know , we are taught to be that
good girl who's getting approval because she's not a lot of trouble , she's taking care of things on her own and she's making it look good and she's pleasing to others .
And you know , this is all just bred into the feminine in a way where eventually , yeah , it starts to crack and it starts to disintegrate and you start to realize , oh , that's not allowing me to be a whole human , or even a free human , like it's . It's it's oppressing me , you know .
And I feel like , as you said , the forties is the time where you start to kind of wake up from that .
You start to , and maybe it's because you know the child bearing part of our biology starts to kind of wane and we're like we sort of wake up from a spell like , well , I'm , I'm actually a human here , I'm not just a vessel for other humans or , you know , a support system for other humans .
I am whole in myself , and that's when you kind of begin that , that life . I feel like the younger , the younger , the , um , the youngins , now they're , they're sort of getting that from the get .
The get go , though , and again , thank goodness they're kind of like yeah , let's , let's cut to the chase here and go ahead and be whole humans to begin with , which is great . So we're talking about those who are in their 40s now , because by the time , uh , this more recent generation gets there , I feel things will be a lot different .
There's a lot of shifts that , um , kind of my , our generation have made when we're really , and then we're passing it down , cause as we heal ourselves , we're also healing our kid , you know , for our kids , and shifting those dialogues .
And I think a lot of us are talking to our kids in a different way , really having that whole person conversation , because we're trying to embody it and we're trying to step into it and it's huge , as you know , we're going through that struggle that they won't have to , that they are coming into this whole human viewpoint .
Exactly , exactly . So what do you feel now is the first , when someone is , maybe someone's hearing this and they're saying , oh , that's what I've been feeling . What do you feel ? The first few most important steps to tune into yourself and move forward in that positive direction are .
First is tuning in , not pushing it aside , not keeping you know , trying to push through it , work harder . It's oh , I'm getting a message here and being able to push pause , even briefly , to listen in and tune in . And then it's looking at really what are the biggest things that are coming up for you .
You know , for me it was almost reshaping my identity and there are so many things that I was doing that really didn't light me up that you know , the work that I was doing was fun when I started , but it was more a means to an end and not like , this is what I want to do . This is really lighting me up .
So when I was going , oh , I really don't want to do this anymore , like that's a key , it's a little clue for us to start tuning in . And then it's looking at for me . I tuned out a lot of things that I used to like to do to bring me joy . Any hobbies had turned into to-do lists .
Even yoga , which I loved to do in my 20s as an event , as something that this is , you know , a social thing and this is a thing to really help me feel better emotionally and physically now became something I was cramming in at five in the morning , before the kids got up , as a form of exercise . So I'd lost the joy .
It was now just a thing to do , and so it was coming back and really looking at , like what are the things that I like to do ? Does this still resonate with me ? You know , baking was a huge part of my life and then , with little kids , it just got too frustrating , it was too messy , it turned off and now it's like oh , I really love this .
This is something that nurtures me . So it's looking for those pieces that you're missing , that you're really craving , and seeing what we can do to kind of fill in that and allow yourself to have a shift of identity , if that's needed .
And I feel , letting the enjoyment be justification in itself , because , you know , we don't need that guilt voice going should you really just be doing this . You know , aren't there a million more productive things you can do ?
And it's like no , actually enjoying something lifting my vibration up is productive , that is , it feels like as we're moving more into um the the state you're talking about .
Two things are important one being reframing what we call happiness , how we think of happiness , and the other being allowing our reality , our relationships , our life around us to change and to adjust to reflect our new priorities within ourselves . That takes patience and time too .
It does . It takes patience and time , and grace as you're going through it , and compassion .
Yeah , compassion , absolutely , and allowing other people the chance to catch up , allowing your reality the chance to catch up . The physical reality is our slowest energy . So just giving that a little bit of time and staying in your belief , your confidence that this is the direction I'm moving in , I'm allowing everything else to catch up .
But also , in looking at happiness , you know the expectations there not being that I'm just going to be in a constant state of bliss . You know I'm going to have no problems but saying , okay , happiness is that balance . It's like the waves it's going to come out and , yeah , it doesn't have to be a constant of anything .
No , and true happiness isn't . It isn't this high , and I was definitely one to chase the happiness hits where we're looking at . Ooh , you know , a glass of wine makes me feel really good . You know , doing different activities made me feel good and those were those happiness hits and it really is .
In the happiness research it's both having those happiness hits but also this deeper contentment , and the contentment isn't I'm happy all the time . It's that I'm okay with the situation . I'm okay with where I am .
That was really hard for me to come to because I had the comparison game and I was looking at this is where I wanted to be , this is where I see other people . This isn't where I feel like I am right now , and so it was coming to a point where I'm okay with where I am right now and that's that contentment .
We can still want to have something different , but we're okay right now , and that's that contentment .
We can still want to have something different , but we're okay right now , and that's still a struggle at times , but it is one of the most aha moments for me , where it's like , oh , this is just acceptance , this isn't doing anything big and grand , this is acceptance . And once I've accepted . I feel better about it .
And once I've accepted , I feel better about it and accepting that change will happen again . You know , this is what brings me the most balanced state of fulfillment right now , but that's going to change , that's going to shift . You know it's going to be something else in five years it's going to be yeah . Yeah , ebb and flow .
Yes , I want to say too , a big part of um happiness and freedom for women , and especially um I don't even want to put an age on it , but just for women in general I feel is is allowing the people we love and are connected with to have their own free will , have their own paths , have their own feelings , have their own thoughts , release the need to manage
that , to influence that to . You know , be the fixer of all you know negativity , just you know , or the or the person who's always in control , or whatever it is , and just allowing those other people to be . There's a book I'm really excited to read , mel Robbins .
I love her and her new book's coming out um pretty soon and it's called the let them effect , let them let them be , let them make the choices they're making . It's not a reflection on you , it doesn't have to dictate your life . That's literally a novel concept for for a lot of us feminists .
Really it's a huge concept .
It's one I've struggled with as well and you know , I saw a quote and I wish I could remember to give it credit , but it was something along the lines of the role that we play for people is that we get to be like the campfire , where each of the people in our lives are going out and they're going on their own journey , but we can't draw them a map and
we can't tell them the way and we can't go out and clear the path for them . But we get to be the safe space that they get to come back , rest and warm up before they head out on their journey again . And if I'm a campfire for those that I love , and they are a campfire for me , it's giving us that same , that safe space .
And I know for my personally , with my kiddos , especially my daughter , it was really hard for me because I found myself wanting to go and make it easy for her and clear that path and do things . And I remember one time my daughter did her homework and she refused to turn it in and I'm like it's done , why are you not turning it in ? She wasn't going to .
And it was that aha moment where I linked it to the saying and I was like , okay , I can't go in and turn her homework in for her . I know it's done , I don't understand why she doesn't want to turn it in , but she's not going to . So she gets to live with the consequences .
She gets to have that , that human experience , and I get to be here when she comes back and says , ah , that was hard , and she gets to rest and then she gets to go back on a journey , but I can't do it for her .
And so much of my life I was trying to make it easy for people go out and do it for them , in a sense , where instead I get to take this different role and just be that sounding block and be that person that's going to give you a hug and going to be here for you , but I'm not going to go out and do it for you .
And it saves me so much energy .
Yeah , yeah , being able to listen to and receive the feelings that are going with those decisions , or whatever , and and not having to change those feelings , or or , you know , just just knowing that that's enough to just receive them .
Yeah , and and the the hard part that we're not really talking about , cause we're saying , oh , this , all this makes you happier than it does . And the hard part that we're not really talking about , because we're saying , oh , all this makes you happy and it does .
But the hard part , of course , is allowing that part of you that says , but it has to be done this way , it's the only way I've ever seen it done to literally die .
Yes , and it's really hard . This isn't an easy process . I mean , like I'm in the 40s 40s are hard for me and for my clients and my friends , as I'm really bringing this up .
It's a hard space to be because you are letting go or letting die the parts of you that have gotten you here , but they're not functional anymore , they're not supporting you in the same way anymore , and so we are letting go of pieces of us . We're also cutting ties with things that we thought we were going to do .
As our priorities shift , as our internal identity is shifting , I'm really looking at oh , but I thought I was going to be that , but I'm no longer craving that and I have to let that go so that I can open the doors and see what else is coming for me .
Knowing that , just like you might mourn someone you know , an old relationship or a friend from way back , or it's OK to mourn that , that you , that , that you it's okay , you know , to look back on on the you of before and say , oh , you know , I missed that one and it's okay . Um , but but it really . I mean .
People talk about ego death like it's just no big deal but it is it is letting part of you die away , because , because that part of you's time is over and you know , honoring it , but then allowing this , this new version of you , to be birthed , yes , and then , and then just allowing the people you love , especially children , to see that , because that gives
them permission to reinvent themselves , that gives them permission to not have to stay the same or adhere to those expectations .
So , yeah , absolutely yes , but it is . It's a struggle and you know you at least for me identifying some of the whys I'm feeling this way and I'm struggling this way . Then it was almost giving me permission to be like , okay , this is okay . This is . What I needed to hear was oh , this is normal , this is happening across the board .
This is not just me , you know , being depressed or feeling crazy or whatever was coming up . This is a normal progression . And where we talk about puberty as a normal progression and we know , like there's going to be the hormonal shifts and we're going to have the physical shifts and things like that , this is also happening .
But we're not just talking night sweats and you know , hot flashes and that's really what gets , you know , the big bill . And then the midlife crisis , where you know people are doing huge career changes and buying new cars or moving or getting divorced , things like that . That are huge . It doesn't have to be huge . It wasn't for me , it was a gradual shift .
But then , understanding of what's going on in so many different facets , it's like , ah , it makes sense . Now I have some information that I can work with , versus just going in blind and feeling the struggle and trying to keep pushing the way that I was .
Yeah , yeah , that's beautiful . So what step would you recommend someone to take who's listening to this , saying that's definitely me and I'm ready to take some action . What's their first step ?
First step . We've listened , we've gotten ready and been there , found what those biggest struggles are , because if you take everything at once , so I guess coming in next what is the number one thing that is bugging you the most ? So if we look at everything , it gets overwhelming , but if we chunk things , we're able to go .
Okay , I can focus on this , I can focus on this , I can focus on this , and so you know , if it is perimenopause and there's a variety of symptoms coming in , getting the support you need with a trusted provider , and there are a lot of different things that are coming out around perimenopause and there are some very old strategies that are still being prescribed ,
like birth control , that just don't work . That will actually tank you more , and so you want to look at somebody that's really looking at those hormones that are going on individually in your body to see what's the best next step for you .
So if that happens to be the biggest struggle finding a provider that can really support and one of the things I'm doing with my clients is connecting people , because I found , as I was talking to my friends , I would say , well , you got to go talk to your provider and they'd get information like , well , they said I need a better sleep hygiene .
It's like , well , I don't think so . I think there's something more than just like we know you can't sleep , but why can't you sleep ? Getting in and investigating more .
And then , if it's that happiness where you're really feeling dissatisfied with your life and that feels like the biggest thing , getting support around that in , you know , is it you're having an identity shift ? Is it you really don't know how to have fun anymore ? You've lost touch with that ? And getting support in finding what are those key things .
So I think one is really tuning in . Two is really seeing what is the biggest thing here that I want to tackle , and it can have that domino effect . After you start adding in the different things , the next one gets easier and the next one gets easier and I think , maybe even before that is finding community .
That's going to be that support that's coming in through . That was my first step . Is that , ooh , find community , let's start talking about this , let's find connections . So maybe , as I backtrack , that is actually the first step .
Yeah , and the thing I know in working from a spiritual aspect is any action you take that's in alignment with you know , improving your reality , that's in alignment with becoming more aware , that's in alignment with your healing , is going to lead to another step that will benefit you .
So you know , let's say you are like I'll take this action and you go to a practitioner that you feel like , oh well , that wasn't the solution you'll be shown the next year . Your job is just to take that action and trust that you're you're being led and your path is opening up , and keep your eyes open to the ways that it's coming in .
I think that you are a huge person with me in helping me come back to that spiritual Okay . So let's give patience , let's keep going on to the next step . Let's without the push , because my personality is like push , push , push , and so it's really pulling back and being able to sit with it and sit discomfort and then get curious about what's coming .
And , just like you said , one action will guide you . And so that's where I followed . A lot of is okay , I'm taking an action , I'm trusting India here , and then the next thing , it's like that serendipity comes through , but you know spirit guiding you . And here's your next connection . And here's your next connection .
It's like when I connected in with my friends in a deeper level , somebody had said , oh my gosh , I just saw this provider . It's just phenomenal . Up next step .
Yeah , yeah . And now that's led to this whole new passion for you , which is exciting .
Which is really fun and it is and it's a way . I've worked with women for years as a pelvic occupational therapist and somatic trauma experiencing therapist , and so it's really a way that I'm just supporting in a different with a different population than I've typically worked with and a different population than I've typically worked with .
I've worked with that younger mom and so it's that step up for me which has felt really good and aligned with where I am in my life as well . I was gonna say it just reflects it reflects where we're at .
Well , that is beautiful , and I know that some people listening will want to connect with you and learn more about their individual journeys . So how would you recommend they do that ? How do you , how do you prefer ?
You can find me at landypeakcom L-A-N-D-Y-P-E-E , like peekaboocom , also Instagram and Facebook Landy Peak , so pretty easy to find me . But you know , I'd love to be able to connect with people because just starting the conversation is huge , feeling like you're not alone .
I also have a podcast that's the Landy Peak podcast that you can find Spotify , apple , wherever you want to listen to your podcast , where I talk about my journey and I talk about happiness and the research I found in perimenopause .
And I'm starting a very new series that's me in the middle talking with women all around this space of being in the middle of having kids , aging parents , changing bodies , changing brains . Spiritually we're shifting and so it's a really fun series that's coming out in January where we're talking and just having stories and opening up those conversations .
I love it and just allowing that space for these feelings and these shifts that have been taboo in the past and have been kind of you deal with that on your own , and now we're just . We have all kinds of freedom and space to connect Absolutely . Thank you , landy . This has been really exciting to talk about .
And I'm so , so honored that you shared it with all of us and we'll connect again soon .
Thank you so much for having me . Thank you .