Greatest Teams to Never Win It All with Rob Haze

many credits, but we've been selling. I just celebrated a little bit of a Lakers victory with him a few days ago over a podcast, and now we're about to have him on writer for Sherman's Showcase. He's done all the late night shows. What else you've written for the sps? Oh? Yeah, you guys run on the SPS together, different experiences, more gossip. Maybe we can get some of those stories out. But ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Rob Hayes. Wow is own

hype man? Love that Rob? Did you imagine that you would be in this position over the last few weeks where you be potentially watching I mean you watch the Lakers, your favorite NBA team, wining and potentially seeing your your braves go on the World Series. No, I I had no clue that. Yeah, I don't think I never imagined in the NBA Final October. So yeah, it really is thrown. It's thrown me off. Everything like sports is I found out is like my biological clock and like ship is

funky in my brain right now because of it all. Yeah, well you feel like you're gonna be pregnant if like you gotta get pregnant by a certain time because the sports I mean yea, like when the athletes, they're like, well every every like football player gets married in the same month because it's like the one month that they are able to love that yea. But yeah, and so that's how c J meals. But he has no on court,

on field requirements. I'm like coming down from this week from like the Lakers championship, even though like they they just I just saw a video of them in Vegas. Did you see this video, Rob, No. I remember the Cavs video in Vegas, so I figured they probably went to Vegas, but I didn't see the video. Vegas seems like the place in the country most willing to turn up and least willing to mask up, you know, So like I think you can to go to Florida. It's like, guys,

what are you doing? But to go to Vegas right now? You're like, okay, yeah, I guess if you already have COVID and you want a party and you've been locked away for four months, that's where you would go to party. I think the thought processes is so high outside, Like if I get it in and I walk outside and kill it, like go just boil it off. It is hard to tell, Like, how do you tell a team that just maybe won one of the hard this NBA

titles that COVID it's still anywhere. I'm sure there's precautions. Did they okay, sure, did they invite everybody? Well? I just saw an influencer at the party, and I want I mean again, my priorities are out of whack because I was like, how come, how do how do I get that in? How do I get to that level where I get to go? Because this dude, I mean, yeah, I'm not gonna name names, but it's just like really he gets to stand next to the trophy and get a selfie at the day club party for the Lakers.

But but yeah, but also I saw yeah, I'm not no, I mean if, like I said, if you send it to your mom who lived in Vegas, and she was like, this is not good. They should not be here. I felt like it was necessary in twice sixth thing because they probably won so many people money the we wearing in the pandemic. But I remember my father being so mad at them for not going right back to Cleveland, and he was like, they owe it to the people

of Cleveland. They might have been waiting up all night they stopped like yo, but they leave the bubble and go to Vegas. Is crazy to be like the safest situation possible and just go where people all right, from all of the country go that don't care about man's insane. Yeah. I mean if they, if any of them do get it, it's like, yeah, it shows that's very real. Like they were in the safer spot and now they there there and they got it. But how how have you been

celebrating this week? Rob would have been some of the ways. I know we were talking about merch, but I'm curious how you've been celebrating the Lakers. One, Um, I got my hat in the mail yesterday. But I've just been you know, I've been calling my friends who were Lebron fans that were mad they who went to Los Angeles. I mean, you know, talking to my fellow Laker fans, my Laker fan friends that were van Lebron came to the team because I always is appreciated Lebron. I always

loved the Lakers. So it's just like a perfect marriage to me. But everybody didn't feel like that. So yeah, no, I I've really been having a great sports week up until Georgia losing yesterday. That kind of hurt because Georgia was undefeated. The Lakers won the championship, the Raiders beat the Chiefs. I'm all over the place. That's yeah, that's like the Raiders Chiefs. One is really, why why is it that you are a brave span where you're from Atlanta,

but then your football and basketball team are non Atlanta. Okay, So we lived in Orlando from when I was one until I was like seven. So when Shack moved to l a Is the same time we moved back to Atlanta. One of Atlanta moved x Atlanta. So in my head, me being a kid, I'm thinking, all right, who knows, we might keep moving, So I'm just donning like my fanship is just gonna go with Shaq. I always wanted to be an actor, always wanted to be an entertainment

even that young. So I was like, Yo, I'm I'm gonna be out there anyway, I might as well be a wow. Even at seven, you were like, I'll see you, I'll see you someday. Oh. I was like themselves at the game. That's where I'm getting. That's where I'm supposed to be, you know. Jack Nicholson me like, yeah, That's how I always thought. So I've always been a Laker fan. My father has always been. He's from my family's from Louisville, Kentucky. My father didn't grow up with a NFL franchise, so

him and all his friends just picked teams. One of his friends of Cowboys fans, one of his friends of Brown's fan. He's a Raiders fan. And when I was in middle school, he had a job where he was like working on the road during the week and then we would really only see him on the weekend. So the last thing I wanted to do was speaker about football, and that's like one of the days we had together.

So then I became a Raiders fan. Became a Raiders span in oh one, we had two seasons where we were good and then the rest is been like, Oh, this is what being a Raiders span is really like. So yeah, so what what location for the Raiders do you prefer? And how do you what do you think about this this current one? The black Holes, I was gonna have a special place in my heart because I was able to take my dad there for his birthday.

So I'm always gonna like, uh, you know, um my father passed, So I always like like think of the black Hole as like you know, like that's got of like special memory and stuff. But being uh East Coast Raiders fan, they only got to see them, like you know when they came to Atlanta for preseason or you know, the one occasional game or we drove up to Tennessee to see them, and like, uh, it really doesn't matter. So I'm cool with, you know, going to Vegas and

in supporting the Vegas Raiders. Yeah, I feel bad for the die hard. I mean, when you think of Raiders fans, it's like that's one of the most loyal fan bases, and you see Raiders fans everywhere truly, but the Oakland and like all of that I mean, and some of the season's Last Chance you gave me like a new appreciation of it. But I do really it just sucks. I wash Vegas and gotten I think the Vegas Nights. It's like, let's start there and and maybe that's enough

for them. And they have a w NBA team, But you were saying they're the owner is actually like doing a great job. I've turned around on Mark Davis. I you look at him and you go, this cannot be good, and then everything he does you're like, you know, like he didn't they have the new stadium. Obviously he didn't go to the home opener because he was like, if fans can't be here, then I don't think I should be here, which like, oh, that that's really nice for

a billionaire to say. That's like not he's been really strict about masks. He seems like a good guy despite his hair cut only very surface and that's on me for being a jerk, but yeah, his Haircuse. I mean, when you say NFL owner and you're not, like, I bet he's a good guy, it's like it's not a crew of like awesome human beings. It's just not that's on them. That's not really on our of um stereotyping

of them. They could be better. Yeah, I mean I feel like the Beatles are beloved and they had the same haircut, and you know it's albums, all those number one and then someone tries to bring the Beatles style back and then it's like, oh, look it's crazy man. When you know, really, come on, that's a whole generation grew up on the Beatles. Paul changed his haircut. Their hair was thicker. You know, he's got really a thin he's got a thin, whispy blonde bang, and they had

a really nice, thick, dark bang. I mean, you tell me to to extreme redheads running that organization is is pretty intense. Oh, Grooden looks wild too. I mean I remember the first iteration. When he was with the Raiders, they would put Chucky up on because he does you know, he's he's funny. C J knows that. I love when fan when Frank Kelly Indo plays fat John Grooden love it. But he doesn't call it fat. He doesn't call it fat John groud No, no one does. It's not nice.

It's not nice for me to say that. Ye are his facial expressions but that's not his face, you know. Yeah, when did you go on Frank Kelly Indo's notes and it's like him all his characters is like John g John Man. He's just an honest man. He doesn't want to listen. I would say John Madden. John Madden is one of his best ones because it's like, you guys

are comfortable, your faces are the same size. That that's a that's but he does someone he was doing like Kevin Spacey and it's like, dog you that's not possible for you. I can't, I can't. It was pre it was pretty, It was pretty. Yeah. Somebody asked me recently to like what kind of sports stand up do you tell? And I was like, what are you talking about? And They're like, you're like a sports comedian, right, and I'm like no, I mean yeah, like I wear just just

the clothes I wear. I just wear like sneakers and NBA stuff. That's good that they've never seen your acts. Yeah, no, I mean, likecent of people will follow me on Twitter with social media. I've never seen my It does seem like you would have two entire albums dedicated to nineties bulls at this point. Yeah. Yeah, like punch him in the face. I punched Steve Kerr in the fact, I don't know what you're doing to me. I have some sports jokes, but you gotta muscle to crowd into it.

Like you could never ask the crowd a sports question, right, You just have to pretend like they know exactly what you need. Like it's almost like, you know, you could just gotta assume. Like I had a joke about Gordon Hayward when he got injured and the hashtag pray for Gordon Hayward, because I thought that was that was a bit late, you know, like like you know, like like prey prepares right right now, we're prying up for Gordon Hayward,

you know. And I just was like, if you know, if I made as much as Gordon Hayward, like it wouldn't matter, like just you have my whole Like I was like going to had cap my whole leg I would just be they had an injury. They had an injury timetable for him within hours, they said, like sixt eight months. There was no timetable for the other hashtags out there. You know. I love the brotherhood of people who have had bones completely pop out of their body.

And then they're like, like Gordon Hayward was tweeting at DOC last week, like let me know if you need anything, Like they've got like a food train just for people whose legs have snapped in half. It's like, listen, I talked to Paul George. It's like, okay, he talked to Paul George. I talked to Gordon. Okay, he talked to in Heyward. I talked to that one n C double A player Like there's like, yeah, that's my college basketball team. Did you watch that live? Yeah? It was on Easter Sunday.

My whole family we were all watching the game and my cousin kept rewinding No. It was like, oh no, y'all missed it. Like we're good. We're good because they showed it. What yeah, that we have TV showed it once. It was not as effective. So yeah, yeah, there is some there's some n c A photographers who got some high ras photos that I have seen. I remember just being on sneaker message boards that then you know, other sections would become sports message boards and no, you can't

rely on those people to censor. And so it was like I was scrolling trying to find you know, through the like the Adida's uniform thread and then all of a sudden that started coming up because it was Louisville. But all right, well, should take a break. Let's take a break, and then we're gonna come right back and we're gonna go on with her top one of the game.

And I went to the exciting that's nice, and then and then the scandal happened in that chimps gott you raised, We're sorry we went on breaks as Rob, I cut Rob offic we take a break now, okay, okay, wait, we're gone. Now we're back. All right, now we're back. Now we're going to get into the topic and Megan and Rob please help me out. So I was trying to figure out the most concise clear away to say what this goat topic is the greatest team to never

win it? All right, but it's like it's like iterations of teams. Well, I was doing it as like, um, seasons, what do you think it is? Rob? I was I was wondering what the criteria was because you can't say it. And you know, there's there's some franchises and then there are like teams. I was looking at it as teams and you know, so they some of their parts have

went on to win championships. These franchises have won championship, but these the particular makeup of you know, the core people that I'm talking about, didn't we like For me, I like to cross reference with lists, and so obviously the that Warriors team that was up three one on the calves is on some lists as one of the greatest teams. Not at all. But I'm like, you guys have enough, you know, like you're not going on my list. You yeah, there were people you want a championship multiple one,

so like you're not gonna be on my list. But if there's people that are like they did him, then that so I did it? Um, rob, do you feel comfortable going first? So you pick your number three? Okay, I give my my full three. Just give us your bronze medalist. Okay, bronze medalists. Oh man, that is uh Irani because my bronze is the oh four United States Olympic scene. Yeah. No, I mean just you know, I feel like Larry Brown didn't want Lebron to be a problem.

Could have probably unlocked some things in Lebron earlier, but it didn't want to deal with lebron in the playoffs. Alan Iverson was you know, angry at Larry Brown, and you know they lost the first game they played in Puerto Rico. You know they I mean, bronze medal. You had lebron On, you had Carmelo, you had two done.

Can you have rich Jefferson Marberry? Like they had a squad but you know, and no, it wasn't the best built basketball team, but it was too talented and too many people to win on do too many great things for them, and that when that's a great pick because a lot of times I think that the US has been lucky. But you get all this talent onto one team and then you don't have the time that you have if you are a team within a league, and so it's like, oh yeah, it doesn't translate. It can't

just be all the best guys. There has to be some amount of like cohesion and chemistry and and patients or whatever are the recipe. And so yeah, Olympic World Championship wasn't what was the tournament that they played and it was like the international best and they that like they've had some embarrassing yeah, yeah, you know too. Yeah, that was an embarrassment man, but you know, still being arrogant like the United States is. We're like, just throw

Lebrin in there, We'll be fine, you know. But I mean yeah, with a lot of these guys, I mean, Lebron was what coming off as rookie season and so yeah, these guys they're playing basketball year round. And we talked about like players being like like, do you think Lebron's gonna play in this upcoming Olympics. Yeah, well, you know what, I wouldn't be surprised if he did. But it is like, truly, man, the tolls that some of these guys take. But also to that crew was just like, yeah, we're gonna go

in and stomp on these guys. And they lost to Spain and somebody maybe I forget, I want to say Argentina. One though, was was Carlos Arroyo on a team that they lost to that was I know, like Louis Scolas coming out, um somebody, oh oh uh, that wasn't coming out for a lot of like what would become international legends.

M hm. I remember those summertime, going over my friend David's house and we watched the games that like one o'clock in the afternoon and it was like like Mellow and Lebron and them, they didn't even know the international rule, like you know, like they didn't even know like, oh, you could just golden the balls smaller all that stuff that can't have any shooters. Yeah, I should go back and rewatch some of those games. That is just funny

to look. I mean, just to see like Lebron and Iverson and all those guys on the same team as crazy. That's not because I always watched, not even the game, but like the my favorite, one of my favorite clips is of like Dwight Howard, Deron Williams and Lebrono those guys at the bus stop Wendy's remember that. I don't know why. I don't know why I brought that up. That's the greatest team to win it all, all right, Megan,

your okay? So my third pick is the my most recent of all the teams, and it's the two thousand seventeen Dodgers team because they lost in seven games to the Astros and then it was revealed that that was the Astros team that was cheating the entire season and for sure the postseason. So they did with like it's like they went to seven games and they weren't cheating, and they were cheating, so they were the better team. They should have won. It didn't. Yes, yeah, I mean

that's and it was close, and they're pissed. They're really, I mean, and that's why it's like, oh my god, the braves are so cute. Even when I see your hat, I'm like, oh, I think of Chipper Jones. I love them. I don't fully understand this mix up thing, but I like watching them do it. Everybody seems great, but I just feel like this Dodgers team that now has new parts on it, it's still enough of those seventeen guys.

That's like, you guys really really really deserve that title, and so I hope you get one outright that that isn't you know, kind of because they were saying like, we don't want to take like even if MLB is like, you guys didn't win anymore, it's not going to feel like we won because they did actually win, but they cheated to win. Oh it's nasty, So that is I mean, so what was the punishment? There is like zero punishment. The head coach is gone and then the GM is gone.

But it wasn't something and I think the players have been honest about this. It was not, you know how bounty Gate. That was definitely Greg Williams. And this was not the Astros manager. This was a player kind have created and and some of assistants created scam or scheme or whatever they want to say, and then the coach kind of had to pay the ultimate price even though

he wasn't the man behind at all. So that's why it's I think that's why we're still as mad about it because it doesn't Yeah, the Astros got to play this entire season with no fans, so they never went anywhere where people were hostile towards them, even though they're the biggest fucking scammers of the last fifty years and sports that, like, you know, the flate gate is nothing compared to this, Like it bounty Really, I know that that's like fucked up because it hurt people, but it's

like this really ended up kind of dictating the entire outcome of a whole season. Yeah, I was gonna ask, how do you feel about cheating like overall, because like I don't like by gate to play gate. I don't like this Astros thing. I didn't have a problem with the Saints. Yeah, because that's not cheating. That's just like, hey, we're doing something that's that's outsore outside of like the

realm of what is considered good sportsmanship. Perhaps, Yeah, like hey we we got a bounty, we got you know, money in the pot. Yeah, because the way they played. I was like when I was watching those Saints games, I was like, yeah, if I was playing an old quarterback, that's what I would do if I you know, Bret Harby was like years old, wonder he had all greight hair. It was like, yeah, just go make him one of

her time. Yeah. I think when Bounty Gate, when that like story broke, I think there were a lot of former players that were like some version of this, like this is a lot of money and this is like this is targeted towards like trying to get guys injured. And so maybe that's rich too far, but a variation of what's happening had you know, like you see Ohio State with the Buckeyes on their helmet, it's like, well that's from sacks, Like that's about a sticker is a

bounty in it of itself. It's a reward for tackling a person to the ground. So it's probably connected with like the inherent in like obvious danger of the sport of football since the invention of it. And so they're like, you know, that's I mean, like, listen, we're trying to evolve the game a little bit. And they're like, we're

that you can't do that. But it's just like I bet Downey Gate existed so many other places and it just wasn't called out or and the Saints were winners, they were a good team, and and Sean Payton had a reputation. Greg Williams certainly had a reputation. And it's it's similar with spygate. It's like, if the Patriots weren't the best team, would they have gotten caught doing that? I don't think so. Deflating Gate, they whooked the Colts ass and then the Colts were like they deflated the

Balls's like, so they are as kicked. It's I mean, it's like still fucked up. But I don't know if it changed the outcome of the game that much. But but if like say you're like married, or someone is your uncle, child, whatever, you're related to someone who's on the bucks and they get injured by someone and then you find out that that player got fifty dollars for injuring your dad. I'd be pissed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I will. I would ask for a cut, definitely. All right, Okay,

you're ready, Yeah, I'm ready. So I just my original third pick was going to be the late nineties Jazz, but now there's like sort of a tie because I also want to throw in the mid nineties Magic. So mid nineties Magic in late Jazz, and it's because I mean,

Jordan's the Bulls were just too much. But those were legit teams, and like you guys said, like those were pretty like iconic Dose or like I think that Magic team had more than just Shack and Penny obviously, Nick Anderson, Dennis Scott, all those guys, and so truly the only reason they didn't win is because they played the greatest, one of the greatest, what we're saying, sports teams of all times. So I'm gonna say, yeah, mid nineties Magic and late late Jazz, this is a way for you

to still get the Bulls in there. Do you have any non basketball picks? Yes, I do. Next is Bulls. No, the Bulls can't be honest we'll talk about I see what you and I say. That team they said they went to the club after they beat the Bulls in the Eastern Conference Championship. There wasn't gonna be anybody in the final. Do you think they believe that they celebrated after Yeah, they were too heavy. I think that's what

happened to the and was missing free throws. But that is the evidence that is like kind of like what happened to the Clippers right now. It's like the young the veteran like Braun was telling all the guys in the bubble right now, like let's chill out, let's win.

It's like a marathon, Like even if we party right now, like it'll it'll show up in like game two if we don't like And that's what Shack and Penny as the vets of that magic team going up against a team and Clyde and all those guys like that's why. So see, I think it's more happened to the Nuggets in the bubble because you saw how much they celebrated after they beat the Clippers, and it was like, oh, you guys are celebrating like you just won the championship,

which is very understandable. You beat they weren't beating the Lakers, arguably the best team left. But but there was no you know when like you saw the Heat win games and you'd see Jimmy be like, they're still more, There's still more, There's still more. No one on the Nuggets was saying that they were like they were sorry. I mean, you go through two, three one leads that. I mean, you know, like Murray was playing out of his mind.

So I understand that. But I just think Shack companion that was just too young and you know, and had too much juice. Like there was no vet that could tell them they were wrong. There were no vet that could be like, now we're not going out tonight because no one on the team at one, Yeah, I think they needed a little penny to walk in. And he was the guy calling everyone. He was he was the devil on the shoulder. He said he was two devils.

He was in a devil costume on both the penny's shoulders and said we're gonna go meet up with Tyra at the club. But I was gonna say, the only player from those teams that I even actually feel bad for nowadays is is John Stockton. Like it would have been cool to see him get one, but Malone went to that Lakers team and that was a bad idea.

I think John Stockton is probably upset that he does not have a ring, but I think being in the Hall of Fame and being like a funny white man is like pretty cool too, you know, funny as like basketball Isaiah Thomas will give him a ring and then he can give Asaiah Thomas gold metal. Yeah that's nice. Ad, that's nice. Now it's number two picks, so Rob you go ahead, Okay, My number two pick is the team that just affected me because I watched them do so well.

I was so convinced that they were it and then they never got it done. And that's the Donovan McNabb Eagles, Like they kept losing in the conference championship and then they finally got to the super Bowl and then they lost and they were like a minute away from like taking it front of Patriots if they just had a little bit more time on the clock. Like I wonder now that Andy Reid has won and looks like he could continue to win if Donovan McNabb is like what

was that me? Because like when the Colts couldn't get it done. It was all like, oh, it's Peyton, it's Peyton, It's Hayton. So I hoped Donovan feels like proud, like I just really liked him, and I feel bad now because Andy has got one and we were all like really happy for that to happen. I was happy for him because I've seen him lose out of time and

child family seems really difficult. My introduction and Rush Limbough was wrestling by saying that don McNab was overrated because he's black, and I remember it like, oh man, they just let people be racists on N. Yeah, come on, man, there's a there's a big chapter on that in the ESPN book about um. I think it was Tom Jackson was like, I'm not gonna do this anymore. If this is what it's going to be, I don't want to be here. And they were like, okay, Rush will leave,

and I was like, yeah, that's the right calls. I wanted. I wanted Donovan McNabb to like shut him dead un so bad. I wanted him to get a ring, just just the show wrest Limbo like you don't know what you're talking about and being in Atlanta and watching what the Eagles did to the Falcons in the playoffs, like seeing Michael Vick go to Lambeau be the first person to win in Lambeau in the playoffs, and then immediately the next week watched the Eagles just dismantled the Falcons.

It was like, Oh, this team, you know, it's going They're going to be a dynasty. Like forget one year, they're gonna be like they just lost last year. There, it's not gonna happen again. That happen again and again and again. It was crazy. That's why, man, That's what football was always so hard for me to fall when I was a kid, because I didn't I would believe in a team ago there, unstoppable, and then they would

losing nex week. Yeah, and it's just like there is no adjustments, there is no like all right, it's a seven game series. Like part of me him is like I wish we could see what that would look like if there was like a three game series with a football team. But people would be dead people. That's why they don't do it. I mean, that's why we can't see what it is. That's what they're talking about when

they're coming back with the bubble. They're like the NBA if it's like double elimination riven single game elimination, and it's like, yeah, I don't know if the I think who would win the Suns, the Suns would have won championship And yeah, right, okay Donovan, Oh gosh, I wish you. He had such a fun cribs to everything. Was that Eagles green color. Okay, So my second pick, No one is gonna like this, um, but it's just it's part

of a crusade that I'm starting on my own. Um. It's a one woman cause for the Malice at the Palace team to get the respect that they deserve. And so mine is the two thousand two five Pacers team. Yeah that was I mean, guys, it's a listen. We got we got run our tests. Jermaine O'Neill, Reggie Miller, Dale Davis was still there, Stephen Jackson, like every every piece. There are people that say that was the best team

Reggie ever had around him. Um, and it was his final year, so he was at the tail end and Jermaine O'Neil was like the young star and the earlier Pacers teams they couldn't beat the bulls. I wish they could have, but they couldn't. But I think this team was wow, just had so many different personalities and things going on that if they could have harnessed it, it

would have happened for them. But I hate crime was committed at the Palace, so they grew up run our test who was laying there trying to deescalate a situation. I think he was a white I don't know. I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. I I think when we look back at the Malice of the Palace, there is a lot of racial like patriot and undertones that are happening. It's a white man who threw a beer on a black man in Detroit, and then they

all threw beers at that. I I just don't know if that would have happened if it was like a like the entitlement of of white suburban Detroit fans, of of of NBA fans that they're they're too close, and we see it still being an issue. It's like, don't touch them, do not speak to them that way. Like that is so fucking crazy the way some of these fans behave, And I can't believe that after this incident,

it's like still not in check. I know the security is better, but it's like, what the funk are some of you people thinking this is crazy that like Warriors minority owner who was like grabbing It's just like that's that's bad. That's really bad. And I and I I don't think at the time we thought that of the malice of the palace, but I feel that way now. Who who was your coach? Um? It was it was either no, Larry Brown was not It wasn't It wasn't

Larry Bird. It was Ricardi, Rick Carlile, Rick car Less to the starters out. Yeah, Rick Carlyle holds some responsibility in like how the end of the game was going. He said, have took the starts out, but Detroit fired him. He built that Detroit team and took that Detroit team, you know, further than they thought they could go. And then Larry Brown just swooped in. They fired, you know, a successful coach. So he probably was trying to run up the score on his old squad. There was a

lot of like weird was it Ben Wallace's remember? Yeah, but whenever Artest is going through And also just that I think he had a temper problem, which he then you know, went through rehabilitation, but it ultimately it ended up giving the Lakers another title because send Meta at the time then went to the Lakers and hit some clutch shots. You don't agree with that, Rob, You're looking at me like that's like I'm going to take some sort of consolation and that I don't. I don't know

why we let Trevor Reason to go. I never want to ununderstand that. I don't think that. You know, we had to get run our tests, but you know, it ended up working out, so that's cool. But at the same time, I don't know why they let Trevor Reason. They could pay Trevor Reason. Well, guess what, Trevor is probably gonna end up on the Lakers somehow. This offseason just gonna be something every every off season it's we might get back, or that the Lakers might get back

Trevor Reason. I think this is the year that he might go. Okay, all right, I'm sorry. Reggie Miller could have like he could fill up this whole bit. You know, there's so many like paces teams that were still you know, it's since they had like one shot at finals shack like I'm sad Jalen doesn't have one, you know, like there are there are people I'm sad for. Okay, all right, d Rose Bulls, I'm sorry that like they were they

were first in the East. Sorry everybody, this this this Rivals, your Tom Thibodeaux greatest coach pick for me, for me and d Rose and the Bulls. That was that was the defense first. That was when Man de Rose m v P two thousand eleven almost beat the super team that they didn't almost beat the super Team Heat. They lost four too, but I don't know, I think they were a great team. And then it went a single thing and like that's fine, like the one game one

against the Heat and that that's good. No, we all we just taught. We just got off the whole bubble where we said Lebron loses game one. I just think it's wild to pick the Bulls at all as an organist, as an organization, to be on this. We're talking about iterations of teams. We're talking about I felt where it's if it's like a well, no, I guess I proved myself wrong with my number one pick. So that's fine. Okay,

that's your pick. That's my pick. Okay, all right, we're gonna take a break and we'll come back with our number one picks and we are back. That means I'm up first. I have, Um my honorable mentions are all of the Colts Peyton Manning teams that did not win. No,

I'm kidding, I'm happy they got one. It's fine. My number one pick is the two thousand seven Patriots, and like, I know they want enough, so it's kind of like I'm a hypocrite for what I just said to see Jay, but when you look, they were just gonna win, like it.

It was the most death I've ever seen a Super Bowl pick, especially like see like at the beginning of this season, you have no idea who's gonna win the Super Bowl, and the Chiefs are when it last year and they're still good like and there's still uncertainty, and this felt like such a certain thing and then them to be upset by a wild card team. It was just it felt good, but it was wild and um, that's my pick. No. I mean, it's funny because I

remember not wanting him and watched that Super Bowl. Its being like that, but that's like a legendary Super Bowl. It's man, I think it is like when when people were like looking back on how I felt about the Warriors and watching those finals, It's like, I'm glad I watched every single one of those because there is that part of them and it's like, oh, if you beat this team, that is that is incredible. That like that's what made the lebron two thousand sixteen and the finals

one of the greatest sporting events of all time. It's like because just the odds weren't were insane. So yeah, I mean, but boy, I was excited to see the Patriots lose. This is this is like the greatest team to lose, like feel good? Why still? But when I met uh Michael straighthand I was like, thank you so

much for beating like out of nowhere. He's just like, oh, you're welcome, because like I hate the Patriots with the passion being a Raiders fan, like being like a fan of just like humanity, Like the Tough Rule was the worst That Tough Rule game. It was snowing and you know it shouldn't have happened. The Raiders was supposed to win, like Jon Gruden and Jenna left like that, Like like the whole NFL would have been different if it wasn't for the tough rule. So I feel like the Patriots

is built on a lot. You can't tell me Michael Biggs not better than Tom Brady. That's just like like the type of world where I live in. Um So, I'm just I just hate the Patriots. I I can't give them credit for anything. I would argue to death that Joe Montana is better than Tom Brady, Like I'm that guy. So like this was this was great that it had that blemish on the record. You know, the only thing that sucks is I wish Randy Moss got it.

That's the only part that sucks is that I felt like, oh, it's in the back for Randy Aboss to get a ring. But also so he didn't play like he played with them when he played with the Raiders, you know, definitely did not when it was time for him to run on that baseball field, he was not feeling it. How would you feel if if Tom and Gronk one one with the Bucks. I don't know, because I don't know if I hate him as much as I hate the Patriots. That's what I love him, But I hate the Patriots.

So I'm in I'm in a weird just place all together, you know. Megan and I had that convo or like, well, I still don't know because I Belichick is still with the Patriots, and so that's that's a symbol and and and what I don't like about I would say a majority of Patriots fans still exists, you know, like they yeah, they seemed like Trump voters, you know, like they seem very trumpy to me. So it's like not a fan base that I mean, like that's what I like. Love

the Chiefs. They're my like second favorite a FC team, I guess all the Bills, but like watching them boo the fans, boo the unity in the first game, I was like, now, I kind of don't want you guys to win the super Bowl because your fans are shitty. Yeah yeah, but I guess a lot of fans are shitty.

You know. Part of me, I'm I'm rooting for Tom Brady just again to like because a lot of because one he's played he's what forty two forty two right now, and that's insane, and just that he's like his methods to can tenure to play, and I want him to win. So it does look like it's not that much of a Belichick and Patriots thing. It's like a Tom Brady is that incredible? And there's part of me like I

do enjoy watching him play. Um, I really enjoyed watching him not know what doubt and it was that was really funny, I mean, and then him dragging his team. I was like, this is the type of messy I've been wanting to make fun of this fucking loser for but he's been insulated by this Patriots way. And it's like, listen, Bruce arians he'll fucking hanging out to dry and he's not. I mean he doesn't, but he's not gonna shelter you the way that that Belichick does. So that's like been

like him struggling has been enjoyable. I know that's sucked up, all right, Uh, continue on. We talked about it earlier about partying during you know, before crucial after crucial games. So I'm gonna say, and I don't know that much about this team. I just got hip to it like a few years ago. But the through Buffalo Bills is still like it's almost so painful for any person who watched sports at all, my parents. Yeah, to know that a team went to the super Bowl four times in

a row and lost every time. And the thing it was, it wasn't like there were there were different Buffalo Bills teams within that. It was like, you know, they partied, so they were too young or too mature. Then the other team that was focused and they just like look like I don't know the yeah, the miss kick, well yeah, what was that guy's name? I forget, but that like I feel bad for that guy. He seems like like a he has like a buckner in him. But I

don't think my dad has been the same since. Yeah, I mean I remember going to rob My parents are from outside of Buffalo and so they were They were massive Buffalo Bills fans, like loved O J. Growing up. We should call my aunt Jane a J after O J. We stopped that, um, but like they we remember my mom stenciling a Bill's thing on my face and going to a Super Bowl party and another girl wiping the Bill's logo off my face because they were so bad.

I mean, it's not like not traumatic, but like my parents, my dad loved the Bills so much and to watch them lose the fourth time, he just was like, I don't I can't do this anymore. I think you get an option. I think you get an option after that. And I love Jim Kelly too. I mean he is I'm sure he was at the Spece when you were. He's at every spec. You're just like it's gut wrenching and and his family is really and so like you want someone like him to have a ring. And the

fans those seem like real ass fans. Do they vote for Trump probably, but they're like in the cold, they they're they'll be like too in fourteen and they're like, we fucking love you guys. It's their own show, like tailgating show where they each other into tables. They started a Buffalo wing Yeah, my dad, you know what I'm saying, like like, come on, man, without them, my life absolutely absolutely without Buffalo wings, Buffalo Flavor, Buffalo sauce, come on,

come on. I went to Anchor Bar where they made I was in Buffalo, and I was like, these are good. They haven't I have my parents who listened to this podcast. They are going to be so excited that you said Anchor Bar. They get like when someone says like buffalo wings they're like, well, Anchor, but they gotta let everybody know. My grandfather had those buffalo wings right before he had open heart surgery. He had my mom like sneak them

into the hospital. Well he was a doctor, he said, I prescribed these to myself, and so she went to Anchor Bar and got like fried Zucchinian buffalo wings for him. Yeah, they're they're opening it up and sucking it out. You might as well. And the Bills are good this year. They're one of those teams that haven't like people. No one would have any problem with the Bill's winning. One like would be like that's like, yeah, yeah, I don't really I know Josh Allen is on the team, and okay,

like they're good. They're good. Yeah, they are good. Yeah all right, Rob, bring us home with your number one pick. Okay, my number one pick. Um, I mean my honorable mention. I would say, are the h that Mariners team with a ride and King Griffy just because just thinking about like what they did after and just you know, um, and then the Bills was also of my honorable mention. But I figured somebody's gonna build this conversation. My number

one's gotta be the thunder hardened. Like if they pay hard in four million dollars in twenty more than what they offered him, they couldn't had three m VP s on one team. There would be no step there. They were already like an inch from beating the Spurs Inten without harding. So it's just like there would be no Kauai, there would be no Danny Green. There would be like like everything would be different. So many Drake lines wouldn't exist.

Step Curry wouldn't have the life he has, wouldn't know how I eased the Curry feels about how women dressed, like so many things that we know in culture today, those chef Curry shoes, we wouldn't even think about those, Like so many things would be different if that team would to stay together, sir to Vodka, you know would yes, because their injuries, Durant goes down and Westbrook goes down, which it gives Harden the opportunity to be come part

in your podcast guest Derek Fisher, was you know could have been a leader on the I mean those come on, I really think those teams was hy. They really had a lot of potential and and pardon afterwards, like like those first years in Houston was like I never saw myself as a starter, like I saw myself as a sixth man like Harden would have would have. He was secure in that role and that's important. You know, it's one thing to place somebody is the six man, something

else for him to be secure in there. And then also party can run too. It could be it could have been Westbrook, Harding Durant and the craziest front court, you know, outside of what we saw in Durank went to the Warriors, and like, those guys aren't done yet, so like the legacy of that team continues to grow.

Could win another one, um, they could all win somewhere, and then we're gonna tell our kids those three guys were all on a team together and they didn't win, and it's gonna be like what that's like yeah, and they're gonna go. But what about that Rockets team when Russ and Harden were together? How come they were Like That's the thing is like it was something about that time too. It was like you said, it was like Harden was secure in that role and did not know

he could be this hardened. So like I mean, maybe he knew a little bit of the Spurs team they beat in the Western Conference Finals one eleven straight games, like they were about to do some like oh one Lakers type of stuff like, and then they dropped four straight to that that Thunder team, and then um, you know they I mean they were going back with the Spurs. They would have been rivals with the Heat or the Calves or both, you know, I mean, yeah, that's crazy. Yeah,

that's a great pick um. All right, Well, Rob, how are you? How are you feeling about the game right now? The Braves games that Arlington, Texas? What is what is the origin of mix it up? I don't really know. I don't really know how mix it up got started? That's what it's called. Is it? Like we'll just take where we're a team with a bunch of different guys that are good and no matter what the lineup is, we're gonna win that. That's like put this guy in

shorcare to me? It's like cooking, Like every time I see them do it, it's like after a good place. So it's kind of like they're cooking. They're cooking them a little bit like a like a harden or like a chef curry. Yeah, yeah, yeah, t could be another thing too. All right, well, Rob, where can we where can we find? You're writing for Sherman's Showcase right now? Again? New season coming out soon, actually, the seasoning coming out. Be on the lookout for that if you haven't watched it.

It's a Hulu. It's on AMC Plus and Pluto TV has an i f C channel on there. You might catch it on there too if you only got the free channels. Um Man, I I appreciate you having me on on your podcast. Y'all are like family, you know. I love her. I follow her on Instagram, still with the saying Montreal play me and c J. We did that pilot well, ice Cube, and I really think you got through to him. I can't have any association even

though all week I have been playing. Today was a good day because to me that is the Lakers team. But then it's like he's not helping every new thing. It's like, oh, I don't think we could but no, but left Co was over here for for Game five and I was I thought we were gonna have no questions asked. I told him and he was excited to see you. Damn Yeah, but check that out. What that

was called? No questions asked, right, it was called good question now glints asked that would have been wou It may not have just been a pilot then, you know. But our other projects Motherland you can come check out if the pandemic is ever over, which you know, Rob and I and Megan, we all we all managed to work together or be in the same buildings. Um. But thank you so much Rob for for being on the show. You can find me at at c J Toldano Rob,

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