Greatest Sports Villain with Langston Kerman

our laundry room. I am coming to you smashed between our back door and our dryer construction next door. But a man with a ponytail moved in next door and I I don't feel good about it, that's all. It's blonde and it's long and I and I want to know. I want to see his finances. Also, um, we have a very special guest today. This is our first time having a guest from from the phone from the beyond, but it sounds pretty good. He is a dear friend. You will recognize him from Insecure. Bless This Mess a

Comedy Central half hour handsome, smart, funny. Please welcome Langston Kerman, Body thank you for joining us. How how are you doing? Having just a very general question, I'm fine. One of my neighbors have blonde pony tails. I'm doing great. I couldn't be happier with my circumstances. Lincon. You got married in October. We got married in December. I have been getting a lot of texts that are like, how are the newly Lands to it? Like everyone series to think

that maybe one of us has killed thee. I feel like most most of the communication has like an under don't remember not to beat your wife? All right, Okay, I wasn't planning on it, but if you keep bringing it up, feel like, yeah, a lot of people to have been like you know that first year, it's it's hard, and I'm like, what were you going through? We've been locked in a house together and and I think we're going to make it. Yeah, I think we're gonna be okay.

I will say that it's it's been extremely helpful to have enough space that like you can separate rooms and just be like, Okay, I won't see you till seven and then we're good. Like then we can just be normal, as opposed to if I had to just like look at you all day. Some of those texts would make more sense. You know what I mean, We've been we've been taking time apart. We've been taking times apart. But yeah, it's like, I mean, not gonna not to make this

a therapy session, but it is. It's tough. It's just like how do you say, how was your day? It's like, you know, how my day was? Like I was about to you the other day. I was like, man, I quit comedy, like stand up five years ago, and I came back and then up like I got I got burned out on comedy. But now I'm married to a stand up comedian in the shows are happening in my living like you came back and then comedy died. It died.

But it's like creeping from the grave in the most annoying way possible, where she's just like what it was, Megan, you were doing a show yesterday, and I want to hear Langston how your spouse is dealing with this, But like I am now criticizing Megan's energy levels per show.

I was like, oh that one sounded that was that like a TV taping Like she like got makeup on and everything, and like yeah, I'm like, I still I don't know if you're you're showing up for all of them the same way you showed up for that one. I've been pretty much avoiding those. Oh yeah, yeah, what's your feelings on it? I I mean, I'm not mad at anybody for doing it. I think it's it's a

cow words. Uh, it's a cowards choice to go. Ah, you look like an idiot when you're doing a thing that you love, even in a way that isn't the way we love it. But like, boy, is it uncomfortable for me? And I can't bring myself to uh settle into that quite yet, but I'm sure I will. Desperation exactly. I almost feel comfortable doing it because my stand up has always felt like a manic breakdown. So now like

I am unfortunately very well suited for zoom comedy. Like well, I think you're you're such a your style is so conversational that that you can almost settle into it and just be uh talking. And I think that I had years of my career where I haven't heard laugh. So I'll just look at the spring of Yeah, yeah, I bombed more than usual, but good stuff out of that.

I do feel got. For me, the hardest thing is actually thinking about the last couple of shows that I did before Quarantine, you know what I mean, Like there were those like that last run where you were just sort of like I went and did the Improv Lab as the last show and I just got to live

with that till October. And that was like the early advice that we would get was like, you know what, you're gonna do bad shows, but there's always another say no. I don't say no like you're gonna you know, you might learn something there, and it's just like, yeah, I might have learned something from that bad show, but then there might never be a good show again. It could

have been the last show. Speaking of the Improv Lab, you and I were in the Improv Lab when the strongest earthquake that I've ever felt since living in l A. How did And I remember watching the wine glasses shaking and I was like, I cannot believe I'm going to die and you call me room sidekick, like so like Jack had just out in a tesla and I was like, I haven't even seen his day. I haven't even seen another man's. But we saw that tesla. We survived it. Was.

It was a pretty scary thing and it was unbelievable that that audience didn't leave. They had they had all the reasons. The show was not really even going that well. No, it was not going well. Did well? You did well? Well? You guys took some ls for me and survived an earthquake. So, Langston, you are from Chicago, from Chicago Park, Illinois. Just in case anybody wants to fistfight, did you go to Oak Park River Forest High School? I did? How do you

know that so? Well? That rolled off your tongue real easy. Well, you always like how you said it. It's like r H say like that. I like to I like to be in with the suburbs too, you know, lady, I've ever the suburbs, and I like to keep track of what Hinsdale is. Oh, I've got I've got the pulse of Hinsdale. I can get somebody on the phone right now that can give us a UM. You you are a huge sports fan. You have like one of my favorite bulls jokes. I guess so basketball jokes, Bulls jokes

specifically Benny the Bull joke. Mascots NBA mascots really, HI love so much Seeah, it's you know, it's a hard personal truth that I have to on earth that my mother's former husband was Benny the bullet one point in his life and uh also a very very very very sick alcoholic. Both of those things can't be true apparently. Wait, so, I don't even know if I've talked to you at length about this, but are you a Bulls fan? Where you? I mean, obviously you came up during the nineties, Bulls

are do you consider them your team? Yeah? I don't think you could have been anything but a bull stand in the nineties unless you were, like, you know, one of those you know, I guess the Lakers kids probably always just stayed Lakers kids, and the you know, the Rockets had a second where like they seemed like they mattered. But like, yeah, it was like I was a die hard Michael Jordan's fan, and now I know he's a human trash. I wonder, I wonder if he'll come up today.

I'm sure I see. And that was a difficult. Uh, this was much more challenging than I anticipated to put together. We are going to be doing Greatest Villains today and the greatest sports villains specifically, and maybe that first. Yeah. I actually was like asking c J questions in bed today, being like, now, now villains, we want for someone to be considered the greatest villain, They've got to have some

level of like this was fun. Like I was like, because if it was me, we're just picking like worse person, I'd be like, I guess I gotta go with O Jay, we go yeah if we don't mention that, and people have a different definition as episode, but it's like as an athlete, not really a villain, as a as a husband, a giant villain. I love that that we just skip okay and go Tim Duncan terrible man. He beats the

worst thing you can do. So so I'm just saying that to define that, my choices today will be coming from a place of like I don't like them, they're fun to root against, and they do. They accepted that. Yeah, they played the heel like it's a very we have to take like a page from wrestling of like they kind of know they're the villain and they're kind of

leaning into it in some ways. Yeah, that's I think I came from a similar place of somebody who was okay with taking on the position that they took on and in some cases were legitimately awful people absolutely while simultaneously being really but they also I think they have to be winners also, which is a tough factors that adds to their prominence a little bit. Yeah, I will say before we get started at our list, I have

eight people. People are not going to say all of them I as we go, I think I'll narrow it. I will say they're all men. Tough to find to find female sports villains. Um, there were someone like there were lists. I was again it was like Diana Tarassi. It's like, what, No, she's like a hero. I mean, you have the Tanya Hardings of the world. But I feel like, yeah, she was. She was definitely on list. But it's like now that that has so much distance between it and I thought I Tania was such a

sympathetic movie. It was that um that it definitely changed in I guess I never really hated her that much. I think I was. I think I was a child and I'm more of a Nancy for sure, But but the Indiana and me feels Tanya too. Okay, Yeah, Linen, do you want to kick us off with your first pick? As great as sports villain I do, and boy is it a controversial start win in edgy folks. Uh my my number three, the person who I picked is Kobe Bryant. Yeah,

I think that's ballad for sure. I mean, as a basketball fan, he was who never was a Lakers fan. He was the worst for everything that I loved and that Sacramento team, that two thousand Sacramentos It's my favorite team of all time. And so he like snatched everything that I believed in away from me. Like Chris Webber was my god for a very substantial period of my sports loving youth, especially when he was with Tira. Yes, you know, what a hero, what a what a couple,

what a powerhouse of a couple. But it is weird, like with a lot of these villains, there are always the guys who, like the league almost wanted to push that narrative of Kobe and Shock and the Lakers and Kobe no matter, like they were getting calls that were just not correct whatsoever, Like the game was rigged. That series was this, Yes, very much, it felt like they had made a choice that these guys needed to be

the next dynasty. Uh. And I think that was a point where we really felt like Dynasty's had to exist. Like now I think that we get it that, like it's almost the way that wrestling has changed. Were like they're like, okay, it's more fun if you just have a new person who's really good at the thing that gets to usurp the whole like experience. But like before, it was like, oh, man, we need to build a way of selling revenue over and over again, and the only way we can that is by making Shack and

Kobe the face of this lea. I also think now that Kobe's gone, so many people were like, man, I hated him, but we also really needed that. Like in movies, you need a villain, and he was such a good one because he was smiling through it, you know, and he was the best. He was so good and and seemed kind of like a bit of a prick about being so good, and was handsome and charming and just had all of these things that you were like, yeah, you're a perfect movie villain and like, you know, I mean,

the water boy can't exist. Unlet's says that mean who says the R word? I mean, like it's not you need that person. And Kobe was like the perfect just mean like but really good at being mean without crossing a line except for that one time, and like he just really was was the perfect person to hate. He's the first like villain person I hated as a kid that I like legitimately cried over, you know what I mean. Like when he passed, it was like, ah, you meant

so much to me. I think too. I think if he could hear that you genuinely cry being angry at him as a kid, he would love that. That's like, then, I've been at work because I just watched this video of I think it was All Star appearance in Philly where he grew up and he got booed and he and like they did postgame interview with him and he was like, yeah, my feelings are hurt. And I think that like that moment made him win those following three titles after that because he has a giant chip on

his shoulder. He's not motivated. He wasn't motivated to like, you know, be good. It was like no, I want to shut yeah, I want to Yeah. I think he was definitely in the face snow. Yeah. Um okay, that's ah, I see why you think controversial. But we were very quick to jump. No. I think it's great for people to talk about it in that way, especially now. Um, okay, c J, you want to give us your first pick? Yeah, my first pick? Uh. And actually it's kind of inspired Lankston.

You have one of my favorite bios on Twitter. I don't know if it's still is this, but it's Kate and my my pick is Kevin Durant And the tweet or the the bio is what I don't I don't give a damn about no Drake night. No, I don't give a damn about no damn Drake. Yeah, because so early in Katie's career, he was playing in Okay see this small town new team and he made them relevant and for some reason, like the persona that they gave him was that Katie is nice, like he's this nice

small town guy. But then he was yeah, but then he was like, I don't want to be nice, but he's also one of the corniest dudes ever, one of the best basketball players to play in the last twenty years. But now and then he went to the Warriors and it was just like everyone thought they were so close, that thunder team was so close to being the greatest team to play our greatest team ever, and he decided to join them and just totally accepted that role of

most hated athlete. I think we liked him, at least I personally liked him win that m v P speech, and his mom like him and his mom are I just like love their dynamic um, and so that went a long way to be like, oh, what a sweetie pie. And then the turn was intense. For sure, I will say and I hear this, and I think these are all legitimate opinions. I love Kevin Durant. I'm a big fan. He's never rubbed me the wrong way. He's a nice boy in my mind, and I can't get enough. And

I know that's not it's not a popular opinion. I'm probably one of six people who feel that way, including his mom and his brother. But I just the only thing I haven't cared for is that. And I think this does go to the issue of like how we qualify a villain, is that he won't just be honest that he did a bad thing, like just be the bad guy and it'll be okay, And instead he keeps trying to push against it and be like no, what, why why would you be mad? At me would want everything.

I did something wrong. Everyone can see. It's not like a back door deals and even bad. His attempts to be back door and have the burner accounts, he got caught and then he also was like, yeah, that's me, and I gotta do it sometimes right, just say no, it was corny. I did a corny thing. It's okay, but you know, I'm happier with with this situation instead of being like whoa somebody else to dude, why didn't they say to do bad? And it's like, shut up, man, to be a nice boy. You're a nice boy. For

my first book. Also basketball college basketball a basketball players coach, Yeah, Bobby that I mean. I'm from Indiana, so I grew up watching the Hoosiers more. But it's like, this is a guy who would filip out so intensely throwing chairs. That's an iconic meltdown. He eventually was fired or relieved of his duties at IU for I believe pushing a student who was not even one of his players. He's like a guy on campus walked up to him, was

like Bobby or like something something like that. He snapped in a way that like I know my dad wishes he could, and so then he then he was relieved of his duties, went to Texas Tech, still had meltdown's. I mean, he it's so crazy. I think there's so many fans of I you that are still mad that he got fired too. Like he went back recently and it was like massive ovation. They're playing Pretdue that day and then Produe beat them at home and it was

beautiful to see. Yeah, I saw, I saw that video and he like is too old to even yell anymore, that he was still trying to pretend to be angry because that's what the fans wanted. Yeah. Well, and college basketball, if you think of the greats, it's Wooden and Coach K and he's very even tempered. It's almost crazy that Coach K was a coach underneath Bobby Knight. Like it just seems they're so different to me, but very close.

But yeah, Bobby Knight was like the first kind of adult in charge that I remember seeing just have full meltdowns as a child. Yeah, I feel like he's been the inspiration for every like bad guy coach in a in a movie. Because I think in your town, especially Indiana or just like the Midwest, that is like the default like sign of a good coach, right, yeah, if

you screen you can yet that was standard. Yeah, that's something that like you see that poll in every single sport happening, like do you have to be bullying your players to get them to perform their best? And and there's people that played under Bobby Knight that are like, he's my favorite coach I've ever had. And then I think there's people that are like, my, I'm happy I don't have to see that. Okay, we are going to take a quick break and we're back with our second

picks for the greatest sports Villains. Megan, do you want to go maybe? Oh yeah, I get to go first. You go back to back with your picks. But you gotta fire and call this a spider. Wow, I'm gonna go coach again. Listen, my honorable mention is going to be like all owners. So coach, he's great. He's one

of the best of all time. Bill Belichick, Oh, I know, he is just such a when you when you see him being smug, when you see him not wanting to answer reporters, and then you add in the spying and the sort of always trying to get away with things that you know you're not allowed to do it, but they haven't explicitly written them in the rural book yet.

He's just he's a villain in the sense of he's always the one winning and then is never happy or nice, and so he's just yeah, he won't even try to present, which also is like a character. It has to be at this point, Yeah, it was, It has to be. I don't know, I'm waiting for him to crack. I don't think he ever had. We saw him like sitting courtside at a basketball game with his with his wife, and you know, he didn't seem like he was having a great time, you know, just pretty It was three

days before the super Bowl. His wife is probably like, oh, we're going to the super Bowl again, that's a whole week. We have to do whatever he wants to do. And I think that was his like, oh, yeah, we're gonna go out and do stuff that's not football. But all he could think you could just read on the space from ft away the halftime like he was. But also that's right before the super Bowl, so it's like, yeah,

maybe some other stuff on his mind. Yeah, he may throw on a Tommy Bahama and get a little loose, and we've never seen it though, Like I feel like I thought offseason it would be you know, we'd see him having a few cocktails, but instead it's him like scouting white white receivers in the middle of nowhere, like at two am. Him and him, Him and Nick Saban have the same type of vibe to me. And the only reason that we even think of them as villains, I think too, is because they beat people more than

most people didn't. Right, well, yeah, they barely lose. So it's sort of like, Okay, not only are you unlikable, but you're really good at whatever you're you're claiming to be doing. Yeah, so it's like, how do I stop this? Yeah? I did like that I'm having drama this, you know, like he had a divorce this offseason, and I was like, yeah, you need to just you have to handle things that everyone else has been dealing with. But that to me almost feels like, you know, it's like we're all comics,

you get it. It's like when you don't know how to cut the character off. It's like he's just doing a bid, but he won't stop doing the bid. It's like when comics get in that circle and they just keep riffing. It's like, no, bro, open up, yeah, please stop running your set. You were so mean. You made a millionaire who's married to a super bottle moved to Tampa Bay. Like that's or like you know, when comics say something controversial that is not like in a joke,

like no, I was just joking. It's like no, like you don't realize, Yeah, it wasn't funny, and it's like there was no reason for but it's like no, that's my character and it's like, well, we could be humans and consider other people. Yeah, you can take a second to reflect before you say the meanest thing that popped in ahead with no sort of entertainment tone in it whatsoever. Yeah, okay, links, did you want to give us your second pick? All right,

well you you set me up perfectly. My second pick is that that supermodel husband who moved to Tampa Bay. It's Tom Bray. I'm going Tom. It's a it feels like an obvious choice. He's a he's a Trump supporter, at least a Trump pacifist. If that's a thing, like a classic hunk, I don't buy it, and maybe I'm wrong. I'm happy to be wrong about this. I'm not always sure how handsome white men are. It's hard to judge. And it's not because I don't think white people are

handsome or not handsome. I just can't always tell which one you guys like. But I don't see. He looks real weird to me in a way that I'm not sure I know how to articulate. But he certainly has all the parts of a handsome person. But he's so smug, I'm so proud of himself. And he tongue kisses his son and none of us can do anything about it. It's just uh, And he's a winner. He's a goddamn winner, and that's hard to fight against. Yeah, there there's something

about him I have. I share the same exact sentiment that you have. It's like he has these eyes and like he's just like there are parts of a what what people consider a handsome white guy and it's all put together and you're just like, have one flaw about you, you know, it's almost like a facial something like that that shows us you are relatable. And that's the thing. It's like, I cannot relate to Tom Brady whatsoever. Nothing about it seems even kind of like something I could

start a chat with. Yeah, it's it's not even like he's almost like a karate kid villain, Like it's like you just had, like you got the nicest stuff, you got the model, like everything is just like too. I mean he also left a pregnant girlfriend. I feel like that that gets skimmed over. My dad brings it up all. He's always like Bridget moynihan, I think, and it's like that, like, oh so, just to just abandon your pregnant girlfriend for the most famous model in the world, It's like that's bad.

Well and also too, I mean, I don't know about how you guys came up, but like I thrive on knowing my high school bully isn't doing anything as cool as I am. But like Tom Brady, if we went to the same high school at the same time, he would have been my bully. And if I knew he went on to win as many super Bowls and Mary a supermodel and have all these kids and Mansions's like, man, my life sucks. Like there's no right in the world.

There's no way Tom Brady wouldn't have called you something racist, and there's no way that whatever he called you was racist enough that you could report it like it was. He's not. He's not a dumb man, so he knows how to be a big it subtly, and that's the most dangerous ship we have because you can't do anything

about it. He's just passive racia. It's not even like he has there's no like passion behind you know, like because when he got caught with the maga hat, he just was like, look like he didn't even defend it. It's like, no, if you're gonna have a maga hat, I want you to be like Trump is my best friend. I love like just be like, oh I didn't know it was there. It's like, no, you're a little loser. He's like he should be like he gives the second

best kisses to myself, and instead he says nothing. And then you're just like, all right, man, I don't know how to feel about any of you. He's honestly, Tom Brady is capitalism personified. I think he is like exactly all the dangers of our society sort of being enacted in front of us and there's nothing we can do about it. And it kind of seems pretty but also awful at the exact same time, he is like athletic

Mitch McConnell. Yeah, and I want to I want to say before I go into my pick, but it's just like we respect the hell out of his game. But it's just, yeah, it's strange. I mean, we haven't done greatest quarterback yet we get a lot of hate. Yeah, okay, my pick. And I'm sorry, I lean towards a lot of basketball here, but it's in their nickname. But the eight nine Bad Boys Pistons. And again, it's like you

talked about how Kobe made you cry. This team Jordan would have had maybe eight championships if it wasn't for this team. And yeah, but just they're their physical play in there again, acceptance of the role that they're going to win by playing as physical as possible, and just you know, and this is the n b A. And I again, I like watch too much old basketball, but I'm like, man, I kind of wish we could watch basketball as physical as this was back in the day.

But just like the Bad Boys Pistons just doing everything they could accept play basketball to shut down their opponents.

I do think the thirty for thirty about them was in some ways, kind of like Titania was very It just like shows their perspective and it's like, yeah, everybody was so mean to you guys, you know, and you were just like we're in Detroit and we're just like trying to let the people of Detroit be happy about But I think that only it also so little parts in the grand scheme of like what it took to actually make a championship team. Bill lamb Beer was your

fourth best player. Yeah, that's a problem. He's not even he wouldn't even make a roster in today's NBA. No. You look at his stats and it's like what did you do in this game? And it's like, oh, we don't keep records of elbows and throwing people out, you know. And he wasn't even good at fighting. That was the other crazy thing, Like you were the meanest man in

the league. You were literally elbowing the biggest, toughest guys on every team and then running away from the fight and letting John Sally like jump in and fix it. It is like they had a little brother that had no shame in being dirty as well and like poking people. And he's Grayson Allen. Yeah, Grayson Allen Is is a modern villain. For sure, he's not good enough, he hasn't been enough irrelevant team, but he is definitely that same path.

Grayson is such a bad name too, Like it's just a classic, Oh you went to Duke and you're gonna be unbearable to the day you die. It's like you're too tall to yacht, so you'll play basketball and be a mean, mean man to everyone around you. Let's take one more quick break and then we'll be back with their number one picks, and we're back with our number one picks. Lankstone will end on you. Um, I guess should I go? Should you mind? Yeah? Because I've got

a lot of honorable mentions to get down. And again, mine is basketball, and maybe I should did a little bit more research because now I'm like, man, I should have diversified this little bit. But I think the Big Three heat, the Lebron Way, Chris Bosh it was in Miami alone. Yeah, I just think, And again it was

a he accepted that role. And they came out that press conference like right after it was more of like a wrestling appearance, but they all came out were like, we're about to win nine championships, not one, not two, not three. And just the thing is it really did the role. It amplified I think all of their games because everyone hated them and it just made them better.

Miami feels like a really like not that the city of Miami is hateable, but you know it's it's kind of this like flashy South Beach, Like the city, the city is great, but the culture is hateable as Yeah, my god. When you when they would like do the white outs there and you would just see these slimy men in linen pants and their heat shirt, it was like, look, this guy doesn't care about basketball, right, And they didn't

even go to the games before showed up. It was like empty arenas until he got there and then they were like you said, they're slimy and just like covered in gold and chest hair. It's just not the wrong group owners. I don't know if this is confirmed or not, but the rumor there was rumors that I get I guess at the time that there was a nightclub or several nightclubs in the arena and you could see this

in the games. But at halftime, obviously people would get out of their seats, but it wouldn't be until it would just look empty when you came back from the break and it was all of like the you know, the first ten rows, because it was all the rich people meeting with their friends at the nightclubs and having drinks because they did not care. But it's like you have on the court Lebron, d Wade and Chris Bosh playing for your team. I would want to watch every

second of that. And that's how good they were. I forgot about ray Allen. Yeah, yeah it was. And then Lebron started wearing that black face mask. He leaned into it in a way that was like, Okay, you know what this is. But he's also a tough one because he as much as he's leaned into it, he also hates being hated. Yeah, and so it becomes this weird dance of like him acknowledging like Okay, you think I'm the bad guy, but also please stop it. He'd like for you to be my best friend again like we

were before. I'll teach you a handshake and think about it. He was what like when he did that, and it's just like, yeah, you gotta remember some of these athletes when they make these decisions, like what were we do when we were twenty five or twenty six, like some really probably corny, bad decisions being made, and his was just to go to a team with all of his friends in Miami. Like year old is like, I'll move to Miami. Yeah, I was in Cleveland my whole life.

Like if I was moving, I definitely would have gone to the Boys and Girls Clothes and there would have been no charity involved. Shown up. He at least did a nice thing, did he did? And that gets overshadowed because they did a nice thing while doing a not nice thing. Right, But he is he has redeemed himself. But yeah, my brother will agree with that pick. He texted this morning. I was having a tough time narrowing it down. So that brings me to my honorable mention,

UM Roger Goodell. He's he's, you know, a commission probably the most hated commissioner I can think of every UM and then I feel like this is one that does not get talked about enough. I think NASCAR has like really good villains and fights. For some reason, most NASCAR fans like hate Jeff Gordon. I love Jeff Gordon, um, but so a villain. I didn't want to listen, he can read. I love it. So a villain of NASCAR is Tony Stewart. Tony Stewart was always listen, I'll get

to it. He was always fighting with he was always poking, like he was kind of the bad boy of NASCAR. And then a very horrific tragedy he ended up killing a man on a track. But it was like the same day that the Ray Rice tapes came out, so it got kind of pushed just and and like the NASCAR I don't even think it was a NASCAR race, but they deemed that, like Tony Stuart didn't do anything wrong because the guy was walking on the track. But like, horrific.

He's the only person we're going to mention who killed another athlete during the sport. A rod I think is honorable mention. But I you like his like post baseball career, so he's less for me. And then well you like that he's with j Loo. I would love to be with j Lo. Just you're just saying there is no career. He just kind of stands next to j Lo and she does. And I love that because you're like the king of baseball and then post career you have to

stand behind the most powerful woman on the planet. And it's just funny to see a dude figure that out because we all have been there. Yea, so maybe that's my camera and your stomach. I like, I like a rod holding j Loo's purse. Um, this is my holy grail of terrible owners. Donald Stirling. Yes, okay, you're a villain, sir, bad person. That's why these are bad people. Dan Snyder, I hate you. You are bad. No one likes you.

And change the name. And then James Dolan, with every single fan of your team, wants you to sell them you are a villain. Okay. And so now that those were these are all the men I hate. And I'm really glad I was able to get that off my chest. And my number one greatest villain is Barry Bonds. I listen. He is obviously amazing. He's a incredible baseball player. If we knew none of what we knew, absolutely first ballot Hall of Famer. It is hard to find someone who

says anything nice about him. Refresh me what he what we know? When you say what we knew? I mean I think we know that he used to not look how then he looked? He took yeah, he took he took all this stuff and then and then broke records and and then has also in a Kevin Durant type way, but like I don't know what you're talking about, and it's like we all everybody knows, um, you know, Congress got involved. So yeah, I mean, I think the weird thing with all those guys is none of them will

admit to it. Like there there hasn't been one that's just been like Sammy Suzli tried to change his face just to avoid having this conversation, only like baseball villain that's ever been like yeah I did do that, and it's and we're like, okay, well you are banished from society. And and then there's all of these men with giant necks that are like, I don't know what you're talking about.

You know, you know what I'm waiting for in this whole thing is I want the players who also took all those drugs, who didn't break the records, were like, man, I took it, and it's still tough to hit as many homers, Like we gotta give them their records. It's just it's not for everybody, you know. It just made me run slower. Those are the people I need to

stand up right now to correct some of the sports history. Yeah, and I think that seems to be at least And again I don't know how true any of this stuff is, but that seems to be part of why they don't admit to it is because everybody's doing it. Yeah, it's just some of them are actually benefiting from it and

some of them aren't. So it's like, well, if I'm gonna go down, I'm not going to be the only one, so I'll just not say anything that can Sacho book kind of echoed all of that, and so I think within the sport he's kind of looked at as a villain, but then he's you know, he's more of a dumbass than a villain. Yeah. And then like he's been on reality, like he has a very strange sort of like career path. I would love to talk to his manager, which is him and and then Barry Barry, it's like he retired

and then that's it, you know. Like I also, you don't really ever hear people say nice things about him that were like teammates, like it just when you say Barry Bonds. Now it's not like oh, what an amazing baseball player. It's like he took steroids and then like robbed records. I yeah, yeah, his name now has a negative connotation. How fair that is, I don't know. But he is like an athlete that you can point at

and go, oh, their legacy is tainted forever. Well he's he's a weird one because he was so good without the drugs, and then you do the drugs and you make it so that these records are like unbeatable forever, but also have the asterix. So it's like, okay, well you made the sport not fun, like you changed the way the game is going to always be seen because of your choice. Well, Langston, we come to your final pick.

What is your greatest sports villain? Uh? Well, like Megan, I was really struggling to think of of a real choice that that felt right. I at one point was considering a Patrick Beverley, who just is like the personification of everything that is antagonizing in the NBA. There's the Rudy Gobert move growin basketball forever. So maybe uh doesn't like you, so you certainly can't be a good man.

Uh And yeah, so I ended in my mind and I had to be honest, and this sort of crosses over with one of your picks, c J. Dennis Rodman feels like the ultimate sports villain. And granted he was the first pair of sneakers I ever bought was a pair of Dennis Rodman shoes. Uh. And he was my hero growing up. I thought he was the coolest, weirdest dude to ever exist. But when people hated him, I understood why. He was just an ultimate bad boy, mean guy bully who happened to be like so good at

rebounding in defense and you couldn't do anything about it. Yeah, and he is so fascinating because as as he got like in more off trouble or was a bad boy, the better he was. And so that's what I really think he is a villain because he's like, yeah, I can do all this stuff and it's not gonna distract me from continuing to beat your guys team, which I think is like such a trend and all the people that we've been talking about. Yes, and now he's like

aligned with North Korean. He I saw him within the last two years. He was at the comedy store and it was it was not a good way what was he doing at the comedy store. He was watching comedy with two hookers. I mean, what do you and like, I mean, what do you think he was doing? I don't know, stand up has gotten weird. No, he definitely got on stage in the belly room at one point during Gross Battle and just started screaming about how he

likes to have sex with white women. And then he and then I follow like I was just like it was. It just was like, oh God, and then he almost got hit in the middle of Sunset Boulevard and a hooker saved him. You know, so it's like money well spent. That's why you pay for the good hookers. It almost was like, oh, you were pretending like you this is

you are, You're just you're on a wild journey. No, there was like all those years where like you would hear stories about how Michael Jordan's couldn't even stand being in a room with them, But so they were so good together in terms of like basketball, that it just they had to make it work kind of thing. How excited are you for that the last dance doc coming out. I'm really excited. I think it's gonna I think it's

gonna be fun. I don't think it's gonna be quite as honest as we all wanted to be because Jordans had to sign off on it. But I do think that it's going to be a little more transparent. I think Jordan's now understands, at least for the first time in his life, that he is a more complicated anti hero. It is like an untouchable god, and so it is going to show a lot more of him being like mean to a sweet Steve Kerr and Judd Bustler and like yelling and you know what I mean, smoking cigars

instead of like exercising and stuff like that. So, yeah, I'm excited it's gonna be good. I wonder how much it's going to get into him as a dad. There's also a there's gonna be a whole episode. Maybe that's when you come back Linkston, when we just dive into the complications of Michael Jordan's great complicated person. Please let's

go into some conspiracy theories. Let's get messy. There's always that's always a fun path about the flu game recently, and god, my mentions have not stopped with people tell me it's a hangover game. It's this, It's it's just like, I don't care. I'm a comedian, just trying to make a joke on a tweet. As a comedian, we know, performing hungover very difficult. It is. It is maybe harder than the flute. Yeah, because no one has sympathy for you,

and you don't have sympathy for you. You know, you made a mistake and you have to fight through that that on your own. Yeah. Um, Langston, thank you so much. Is there anything that we can plug for you? Some handles and yeah, what's your twin? Where can people follow you? And maybe some past projects if nothing upcoming is Oh yeah,

I at Langston Kerman on Instagram and Twitter. Please follow me there and you can watch me on Bless This Mess every Tuesday at seven thirty Central eight thirty Eastern, and we have like three or four more episodes left, so watch that show. It's you an album and you have an album that came out it's very very funny. And I have an album on like Spotify and iTunes that called Light Skinned Feelings. Yes, thanks, and we love you so much. Thank you. Tell Nikki high U we

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