Greatest Scandals with Jason Concepcion

over here, Toldonno, let me slap your Peter. Megan's my Megan's my quarantine. Bully. I do not bully you, And that would make some of our reviewers who say, does he does she even love him? Bitch? Can you view a podcast? Okay? The laughing you here in the background is our wonderful guest we've been trying to get on for so many episodes. Finally have them. The Ringer Senior creative Jason Concepts. Jason, how are you doing. It's wonderful to be back with you. C J. Reforming the Filipino

Los Angeles Mafia, I mean Los Angeles Basketball. I also want I don't think I've ever on record. Thank you for laying the tracks for Filipino whose main job is to care and uh and and research and talk about basketball. So thank you just at the top Trailblazers, We've done it. It's awesome to talk to you. You And also like when it comes to sports content, you are kind of the peak that like this, this could be this could be a ted talk, you know, like we could sit

here silently. We will not, but there is a world where we could just ask you how I mean NBA desktop. When I have done that, thank you for having me. People react to that like from who I went to college with, bigger than anything I've ever done. You know, that's that's the Apex for a lot of men that I knew in the early two thousand's. Well, I gotta tell you, it's fantastic up here the Apex. The air is, the air is thin, it is it is cold, and it is lonely at the at the Apex, absolutely lonely.

But it's the struggle to get here. It was worth it just to hear that from you, Megan, Thank you so much. House the highlights we were having like a meeting and people were presenting their favorite YouTubers because we were doing like a little show and tell. I don't want to, you know, pull back the curtain a little too much back on how the millennial Instagram account operates. This is that you and you guys consider that work.

Let me see it. I was going to tell you some girl was like, we were just presenting our favorite YouTube creators and shows, and someone presented yours and the whole time I was just trying to hold back, like bitch, I know him, that is a friend and I don't but I don't call my coworkers bitches or women bitches. But yeah that's what you do. Call them girls girl all the time. I know it's bad people like a child was there. I'm like, you know what I mean.

The Filipinos all keep track of each other. You know, it's it's it's you myself, Pablo from ESPN and and uh Andrew Lopez. Yeah, yeah, that is like if there was a last supper, that's it, that's it. Well you

could just do it at a booth. It's funny that you bring up Andrew Lopez because like for a few months in comedy and moving that here in l A, we didn't know each other, but everyone assumes because well, and it's like it was weird that we didn't because both of us were are from Iowa, and like that's how people also talked. Before you and I had met, people were like, wait, you don't know Jason. He works

in basketball and he's Filipino. And I'm like, yeah, actually I'm surprised and mad that I I haven't met him yet either, So finally the world is somewhat right in that way. It's so funny when I met Andrew. I met Andrew like two weeks before Quarantine in the valley outside, like at outside some Comedy Central party, and he's like, are you Filipino? I was like yes, and then he was like, why don't I know? I and I don't know, but let's remedy that now. And then Quarantine happened because

it's not supposed to. I feel adopted by the Filipino I'm not saying I'm okay. How how are you doing? Jason? Well, uh, well, it's you know, it's tough to be I've started my mornings with walks now just to feel like I'm I'm connected to the earth. It's been tough being inside for months my girlfriend lives in Washington, d C. So it's like when we're going to see each other again. Oh no, yeah, I got sorry. I didn't know you had a girlfriend.

So I was reacting to I'm excited to hear, and then it dawned on me that you are having quarantine to wait from each other. So I went, oh, that part of it has been absolutely brutal. That we faced time a lot and watched Survivors all the time. We're bingeing Survivors and uh, and you know, meanwhile, as we're stuck inside during this global calamity, um, the world is absolutely falling apart. And meanwhile, as c J. I don't like,

I don't know. I'm going to assume, because of your Filipino heritage that you have many family members and or friends and or Filipino acquaintances who work in healthcare as I do and like, and so I have. You know, I have many people in my life that work in healthcare, which is anxiety inducing in this particular time. Uh, it's it's it is what it is. How are you How are you two doing? We were doing as good as

can be. We have a home that we like, and we like each other and then I really had a tough like last two weeks, and now I feel myself emerging from that luckily. But now I kind of feel like c J and I have sort of switched places. And then there's part of me that wonders, like, oh, that that may just actually be a cycle of marriage. Of like when I was down, c J lifted me up, and now you know, he's sneezing and down own and I gotta lift him up. But it's not sneezing is

not the number one issue. I'm not going to talk about your depression. Um No, it's you know, things are happening with the thing. In the beginning of quarantine. I don't know if you felt this way, which is so funny and sad to look back on. Was I think I was subscribing to the motto of like, it can't get any worse. At least we know the problem and we're just gonna We're gonna stay in, We're gonna wear masks, we're gonna do everything. Literally, I didn't. I couldn't even

imagine it would get this bad. I did not either. It's wild. I read a article today about monkeys that like attacked and escaped with and I'm like, I guess that's just the thing. That's just normal, that's just stuff that's happening right now. The world it feels like it's falling apart, and you do have each other, though we have each other, I feel yeah, I mean, we're we're trying. Everyone is trying our best. And that's like something we say to each other, to our friends, were like, we're

trying our family, We're trying our best. And then we're like, yeah, we can do a podcast, like at the very least this podcast and I'm sure you're experiencing it with yours, is that you're hearing the voice of somebody else, your friends, you're it's like a form of check in and then maybe you know, in us talking about these almost not yeah negative sports stories, we're gonna bond and forget about what's going on in the world, but also maybe remind

each other what's It's also like if there was no pandemic and none of this other bullshit terrible things happening, if if sports ceased to exist, that would also have a negative mental impact on all three of us, Like that is something we love and then and now we don't have it, and so it's an escape and and we don't have that escape unfortunately. Yeah, it's been really hard.

I say, I guess I didn't. You know. Obviously I'm sports crazy like you two are, Um, but it's you do You don't really realize like how much you have you organize your life around the framework of what sporting events are happening, and that's just when that, among other things, is gone, and it's just like you just feel absolutely rudderless. Um. Speaking of creating a podcast in order so you can talk to your friends, I have lost the ability sometimes

to like speak in person to people. I drove around to go visit people, you know, social distance, you know, very very responsible through the window, you know, six ft away. But just went to go see my friends because I hadn't seen them in a month and a half, two months, and I was like, man, I don't know how to how do I how do I speak in person anymore? What? What is eye contact? What am I looking at? What am I It just feels totally weird to do it.

We're just like shut ins. Now it's our people's skills. Like I'm used to talking to c J every day, this is who I see in person and he's my husband. So we talk insane and saying, you know our most personal intimate detail, We know everything. I was on a work zoom. I have like some new agents that have been added to the man talk so that there's like a lot of folks on this zoom. This is a professional work call. We got whole Brady bunch of little

zoom boxes. Lots of people got to listen. I don't need one agent, I need ten, okay, because I need a lot of people working on stuff for me. I told them that I that my Lexapro was back quartered, and then I was thinking about getting my I u D taken out and then I signed off, and it's like what am I talking about? That's so it would be funny if your agent did hit me up and be like what is the what what can you offer

to get her I U D out? Like if that was the transit, Like now they're like, listen, Hollywood's dead, but maybe we can figure out how to get a one season of a baby, you know what I mean. So I just was like I texted my managers after because they were on the call, and I was like, for the record, my skills are just not sharp and said weird things and they were like, no, it's fun. It's like, I don't know if it's fun. I absolutely feel you that that scene is so funny. Megan, we've

got a new blue Diamond wants you back? I need That's what That's what I have said to my lawyer before. I love you, um like, and I said that. I told my therapist and she goes, do you love your lawyer? And it's like, no, I don't love him, but like I just say overly familiar things already. And now I think Quarantine has like ramped that up for me. And this is the beginning of my demise for sure. Oh yeah, So with a lot of my guy guy friends, you know, it's it's it's in the past, has been you know,

when we've come anywhere close to talking about our feelings. Yeah, it's good. How you doing good. That's a very good top up. It's funny. But now it's like everybody is like, I miss you, man, I love you, I miss you. I can't wait to see you again. It's really it's it's heartwarming, but it's also so sad. Well and Jason,

that ship started happening when Kobe does. Isn't that crazy, Like we were talking talking, We're like it was like the our d m s were We're getting emotional, and like with with my friends, it was like we were dealing with our masculinity in that part and then this happened.

So it's just like it's just coming in such in a lot of ways, that is that is a silver lining of his tragic, tragic death that it made people, you know, you see iverson how and it's like people are really feeling and really loving, and I think it opened us up to even be able to do that more during this time where we need that. Yeah, I'm sorry that you guys aren't manly anymore. If anything, I think I'm sorry you don't have toxic like bleach coursing

through your veins. But I still punch walls and still do that every just to keep it real, you know, just to keep the vibe going. Yeah. I keep telling CJ he can punch me, and he's like, no, it seems like a trick. It games like a trick. Jason. You're you're the host of Binge mode Um and obviously you know with Quarantine, everyone is like I'm I'm going back and I'm watching this TV show or these movies. What is your programming looking like? Over there? I've been

watching Community. I'm going through Community because that's a huge hole in my sitcom experience. I didn't watch it at the time. I was more of an office thirty rock parts and wrecked person. So I'm watching a community and realizing one that it's great and too, like how many connections to the Marvel movies there are, which makes sense because the brothers directed Community and then also directed many of the Marvel movies. But it's just I'm seeing all

these things and that's been wonderful. I've been filling the sports hole with Survivor seasons. Many people I think we got to get into the Survivors. It's it's coming from all angles people recommendating. Well, someone told me Dante Colepepper was in it and they didn't know who he was outside of it, and I was like, what is He's on Survivor. There are a number of athletes who have participated in Survivor. Scott Pollard, oh my god, come up there. All right, Yeah, let's say, do you have like a

how did where did you John Rocker? Where did oh wow? Okay, where did you break into survive or not. You didn't go back to the beginning. No, I've always kind of watched it off and on, and but then it's several years back. I think when the seat when the Millennials Versus gen X season premiered, is when I was like, I'm back on the train. Before then, you know, after the first one, I had kind of been in and

out and then I was back on the train. And then everybody at the Ringer is pretty much crazy about it. So I've just been pouring back over old seasons. I would say, if you're looking to get into it, yeah, this is what we're looking for. If you're looking to get into it, well, first of all, the Ring Are Not Calm a fantastic website, and I sent from the Ring. Riley mcotee wrote a great piece about like how you

can get into it. But I would say, you know, like Cook Islands, well number the first one is is kind of it's pretty necessary. Then, uh, Season seven, which has a stolen shoes incident that happens, is great. Cook

Islands is fantastic. Cook Islands just a little setup has the tremendously bad idea as the setup of breaking the contestants into tribes, uh denoted by race, So you've got white, Latino, Asian and black and tremendously bad idea that they jettisoned by like the end of the second episode because they're like, oh, whoops, did we do I think we did a race war. It's a very happened down season, but like a lot of the characters who come back got their start there.

That's a great one. And then once you start progressing, like Heroes Versus Villains is maybe the best season ever that season twenty and you know, on and on there's that that's a great one. It's just a wonderful, a wonderful show that really like scratches that itch for sports while also throwing in a bunch of you know, like

soap operation kind of trauma. Yeah no, that sounds right, because everything that like networks have been throwing at us in place of sports is not working, Like Horse wasn't working for me. Ultimate Ultimate Tag, Holy Moly, where they're like specifically telling my dumbass brain listen, sports has gone. Let's watch the Watt Brothers host awkwardly host Ultimate Tag. And I was like in plane bomber Jackets. Yeah, I mean, like they the bomber jacket budget on that show is insane.

What's nice about reality TV? I like reality competition shows and why I think they translate better, Like for them to scrap it on episode two, it's like, yeah, they can do that, Like there aren't those aren't written rules somewhere. There's not like the MLB is overseeing it. They do the Unlove Island, They're like, oh, yeah, this person is

crazy and they got kicked off. Guess what they're back like there's and holy moly, it's like, well, golfers exist, so like we know that you've made up rules, but like you, I think it's yeah, our brain is some is somehow willing to go into anarchy more than like, well, there's rules that are kind of based on something else

that already exists. The other great thing about Survivor is you're watching people starve over the length of the of the season, which it you know, adds a tremendous amount of tention because you just are like, is this person going to die? I'm like, I'm truly concerned that this person is starting to death in front of my eyes. Damn. Yeah, we need to watch that because also, yeah, I also

have been eating too. It seems like a good and every time I do any sort of event watching, I'm like, I gotta have a large pizza and it would be good if something I'm watching is reflecting. You can skip a meal, c J. You can need nineteen meals while watching this thing. But let's get to the topic. How let's take a break and come back. And we never do us before, but I I've been reading the people rating and we're gonna try this. We'll take a quick break and we're back. Okay. So yeah, we just had

so much fun chatting. I was like, let's take a break and then get into the topics. Spell it out. Our topic for this episode is greatest sports scandals, and we were presenting you to some options. Jason, what drew you to this topic? Gosh, what what did draw? Maybe it's just like the general chaos of the world and and the and the various controversies that are going on as we speak, that that drew me to it. I think it's it's also a thing I appreciate about sports.

It's just like that, you know, controversies. Now, I would like to say as a setup I'm doing, I'm only I only picked stuff that directly pertains to a sport. I'm not doing anything where it's like an athlete goes off, does something outside of their career or after they retire, and that it becomes a scandal. Great, I did the same thing. I did not know I was going to do that. But then when I started doing my quote unquote research, I was like, oh, it's pretty dark out here.

It's dark. I was like, I don't want I don't want to Also like, I don't consider o J a scandal. I consider it a double homicide. Like so right there, No, it's on every list, and you're like, okay, it's like Larry Nasser, It's like, yes, for sure. I mean that's a tragedy. That's a horrific tragedy. That's a lot different than like shaving points. You know, mass pedophilia to me is a little more than Pete rose Um. And so I did say, I yeah, I was like, let's keep

it a little lighter. And omissions of that does not mean we agree with anything. Here are some people that day was long retired, you know, you was long retired at that. These are some scandals that will not be on my list. Larry Nassar, Jerry Sandusky, O J. Simpson, Aaron Hernandez Ray Rice or Duke Lacrosse. Yes, not none of those. I have none of those either. That's not

a sports scandal. That's someone committed crimes, which is funny when it's ranked on a like a website, like a curation website, You're like, uh, okay, but Jason, kick us off here, what do you got for your number three? Pick number three? I'm gonna go with the Tim Donnighy betting scandal in the NBA. Tim Donnaghy a long time

NBA rest thirteen seasons he was. It was a pro ref from seven officiated some almost eight hundred games, and it would come out in the mid off seven that this guy had been Now the official stories that he had been giving information to gamblers that then helped the gamblers place their bets. Um and this is the this is the story that the NBA ran with, and YadA, YadA, YadA.

That said, there is a lot of evidence from reporting on my ESPN by Harral Bob Vulgaris who now works for the MAVs, who was a long time professional gambler, and others that shows that Donny he did more than just give information like he'd likely gambled himself and and affected the point spread of games in the ways that he made calls and of course and to David stern Um pretty quickly like shovel dirt over this crisis in a way that made it go away as as quickly

as possible. But there's a lot of evidence that it went further than what is officially recognized, So I would put that there. This strikes at the very heart of like fair contests, right, No, it definitely affected game outcomes. We did a rewatch of the Malice at the Palace recently, and he was a wth at that game. It was like so jarring to even see him there because he's so infamous now. But yeah, I was working. I was an intern in a sports newsroom the summer that this happened,

and it was the lead story every single day. I mean, it's to to have a wreath who is cheating and gambling that? I mean, that's like, what is the what is the role of a wrath too? It's at least literally doing the opposite for personal gain. Uh yeah, I mean so this was my number one pick. But this

happens on the show a lot. We just overlap, and I love just I mean, this was just it changes the timeline and the fact that really like he was charged when the what the federal investigation he was being investigated for, not even that particular series, it was just for his other involvements. And then I don't did you ever read or did you ever get your hands on his book, which The Whistle? I did it, I have

not read it. If I have not read it, it's just like, well I think it was renamed a personal foul, which I also I wish if there was a sports talk show just like rejected titles for Tim Donnie's book, but personal Blow and the Whistle or whatever. But uh yeah, it's like, it's so insane to me what could have happened had the King's won the two thousand two series and just the NBA and what we have the storylines that we've seen since would have been so much different.

I could not agree more. And it's also you know, it's it's funny to just think about what the official story is here that you would go through this trouble and put your career at risk um get involved with, you know, fringe gang members in order to not even place bets on or affect the outcome of the games, just merely to pass information and say, oh, this this guy is has a cold, or this one it seems sick, or this one's not gonna play. Come on, folks, that

doesn't make a lot of sense, right. Did they ever get into like how much if any of the mob was involved, Like whenever I was dambling in sports, I'm just like, Okay, the mob is involved in some way. There were mobs, there were mob figures involved in all of this. They somehow, I think they came in. He was involved with mostly professional gamblers. And then as this started to grow, the mob became involved and they saw this as a as a golden goose to be managed.

They didn't want to, you know, it was starting to draw attention at that point, and they didn't want other, um, you know, people who set lines, I forget what they're called, like gambling. I'm not a gambler, but the people, you know, the professionals who set lines and stuff, We're starting to notice. And so the mob stepped in and started to manage this in a way that would not allow the golden goose to to you know, how to handle this criminal activity. Yeah,

I saw some specifics on numbers. It was like two thousand a game going to the ref so like I don't know what the whole number was, but like my members like, hey, if if you sway it this way or if this team wins, you're getting two K. I don't know how you're going to do that, but if they win, just we'll give you two k. And he he ended up going to jail for believe, go to jail around a year. I think it was months. I think, well he is white, yeah, like, oh yeah, he got that.

He got that college a missing scandal sentence. That's right, Yeah, fifteen months fifteen months. Yeah, I mean that's that's a if someone goes to jail as as as a result of something that happened on a basketball court, that's a scandal, baby, that's I mean. It's the other thing is it's how is like what is he doing? Now? He wrote a book? Okay, fine, but did he just have like a like a suitcases of cash like buried in various locations. It's hires him.

I think he paid a massive fine. I would imagine in the millions that I hope the mob helped him with. But yeah, like there's a chance maybe he's on like the middle school circuit and this brings up and I didn't pick him because it was too much. But Patino, and this might be a little bit talking about the upsides of being white. You could commit so many crimes or do so much wrong things, but you will end up somewhere, you know. It's like you will go somewhere. Absolutely,

it's like you can. I'm like scared to ever lose any job that I have, but like to be a ref What else are you qualified for if you get fired from that particular job. Yeah, I don't know. I mean if we get if we ever, if we ever blow up our career, CJ will be like in nursing or something like that's literally what I do, or like work on a cruise ship. But that's probably mine is I'm going to be a realtor. Yeah, and my brother is a realtor and he really does not like when

I say that. That's my backup play, So I just say someday I might be a realtor instead. Okay, am I can I go? Okay? So my number three pick is the Tour de France. Just at law. It's because I was like, oh, I'll just do I'll just do Floyd Landis, and then when you get into the Tour de France, it's like a lot of you got some issues. So Floyd land Is kind of kicked off the modern era of Tour de France scandal. He won the Tour de France and I am you wouldn't say match, like

what the race? Thank you tournament. He won the race in two thousand and six, and unfortunately for him, he was behind so much and had this really like historic come from behind. When that it raised suspicions, his urine ended up being tested and had three times the allowed limit of performance enhancing DRUPE. Yeah, so um. He denied it for a while and they were like okay, look, Floyd, we have your piss and he was like okay um.

And then through that he became a government informant and then basically was the one who implicated and and did a whistleblower lawsuit against Lance Armstrong, who then also denied it for a very long time and then eventually was like, yes, I was doping during all six of my Toward of France wins. So um, yeah, you just like this is

a great one. Cycling is one of those sports where it's like I don't know anything about it unfortunately, but like, so it started with Lance Armstrong and lived strong and like I don't I never liked him because this is so weird. My brother's college girlfriend, her Husin was his first wife. Those are my favorite Megan Gaily sentences, Holy cow. So they and they, So this was when he was

like beloved. Their family was like, we don't like him, and it was over like they stole twins names or something. It wasn't even like, it wasn't even like doing. It was we we wanted Kelsey and Caden to be the names, and Lance took it. Okay. So then he leaves his first wife and was with sher Is with Cheryl Crowe, and I think that's when that's when you lose some amount of like that's not a great move. Dog. Um, she was with you and like we all know that

you had cancer very intensely. And then this doping scandal comes out and like Lance Armstrong has had one of the most intense fall from grace is not sports like anything. This man was of those bracelets and now and now he has a documentary about how funked up his life got she sucked up. I haven't watched it, but I

hadn't watched it, but the clips look fun. And you know that clip where he's very very angry he's talking about Floyd Landis and Floyd lands Is like I don't hate him, and it's like, well, yeah, of course you don't hate him. It's funny. I was. I was talking to my girlfriend recently about the Live Strong bracelets and just like what a how everywhere they were it was, I mean, everyone had that. You were not cool if

you did not have one. It was the perfect combination of something that was kind of trendy but also was like so performatively like virtue signaling, like you don't care about cancer. I'm I'm fighting cancer. That's right, look at this my Live Strong bracelet. And it was truly shocking when it all came down on him because everyone I knew had one of those bracelets. I had one. Did those come before or after? What would Jesus do? Bracelets? Maybe? Yeah,

I see like they don't find of j D was before? Yeah, I feel like too, and w W j D definitely jumped off Livestrong. Yeah, absolutely, I just don't know as a person, and maybe because we have some morality in us, there's some ethics, but like, how does Lance sit through meeting after meeting, pitching what lives straw in the campaign and the bracelet where like and just be like I'm cool this. Yeah, Like if I ate dinner before you made dinner, Megan, I wouldn't be able to hide that

for more than three secs. I think the reality is that when you think about that, it's like the people that are being caught using performance enhancing drugs are such a small fraction that it's so rampant. You know, we hear about like dear blood and these infusions. It's constantly operating within the lines of what is allowed and what isn't. And so I think it's very easy for them to say to themselves, I am doing I'm doing slightly one percent something that they just have it written a rule

that I can't do yet. I think that's what it is. I agree. I think I think it's some kind of everyone's doing it kind of feeling. So therefore, you know, this is just this is the rules of the road. And I you know, once he had become a real sensation because like, who the funk cares about Tutor France, Like, really, does anybody care about cycling? It was it was Lance

Armstrong was cycling as far as anybody knew. And like the the incredible narrative around his comeback and beating cancer and that like that, that incredible like run he had up the hill where he looked back at his like rival and like stare it at him as he cycled past him, you know, after he had beaten cancer and now he's beating all his rivals and everybody's like, oh, this is amazing. I just think at that point, the incentive to stick with the lie was just so strong.

He just could not give it up. And it took it took years really for people to come around to the to the realization that, oh, yeah, Lance Armstrong is bad. Even when there was evidence. I mean that, like people would just be like, no, I didn't I did not do that because I think in their heart they believe they didn't really do something wrong. Um so yeah, toward France, Freedom Fries. Remember that that feels like, oh my god,

freedom Fries. That feels like the same time frames. Um I lived strong c J alright, um okay, my pick, it's it's obviously it's not like grand like those ones, but it's obscure and I remember just being fascinated by it. It's half of a movie pitch, but it's I don't know if you know this about this story, Jason, but Jonathan Nicola two thousand sixteen. He was a twenty nine year old Sudanese player who pretended to be seventeen and

played basketball in Canada for Central Catholic High School. And here's the thing, so like I don't know what side I'm on, but like he escaped war torn Sudan, went to Canada, got Indian visa within months, like two months, started playing for the high school basketball team, pretending to be seventeen. Players were They're already looking at him too as an NBA prospect. He got caught by he applied for a US visa. So he was like, I'm going

all the way. I'm going to America and I'm gonna pretend to continue to be a high school phenomen and got caught and I just am so fast. It wasn't a long con but I'm like almost you know, here's the thing. I was looking at the stats, only dropping like ten points, twelve points here and there. So chol in high school. Well boy, and so I'm like, okay, never been kissed, but basketball, I'm well age scandal. I mean, this happened in the Little League World Series multiple times.

This one was famous one. His name is Danny Almonte. Yeah, and unfortunately for him, like that that ruined is prospects. Like he was good. He was good, whether he was a Little leaguer or I think he was three years older than they said he was, which this then happened. I think this happened when the Chicago team one. They didn't live in the neighborhood, and it's like these are children, like he was how old? You're holding children more accountable than you hold adults for things. I think he was

seventeen and he was pretending to be fourteen. I'm eight, and you know, like what, Daniel Monte, how old? Billy was just forty five? Billie Eilish just forty five years old, But because she's not playing in the Little League World Series, we just pretend that, yeah, she's eighteen. Man, go ahead, I'm sorry, Oh, I was just gonna say, sure, Billy. I it feels like maybe it's this like post dystopian, weird apocalyptic world we're living in. But it's just feels

like what a what a um? How many riches? How what the sports riches that we had where we were able to argue about Little League Baseball, Like I remember watching those Daniel Monte games and being like, this kid is unbelievable. I've never on This is incredible, this is pure. This is the purity of sport. Look at how happy these kids are. They don't care about the money, they don't care about the fame. They're just out here playing the game. This is incredible. I'm watching this on ESPN

two and I am riveted. It feels what a different time that was different. I'm looking at a picture right now of Jonathan Nicola in a in a New York Times story titled he said he was seventeen but maybe closer to thirty, And this dude looks thirty. Yes, that's what I'm like. It is everyone else's fault. It just looks. He showed up and he saw the look on everyone's faces and they were like, they're not blinking an eye. They're gonna let me suit up. They're gonna we're gonna

be in the locker room. I'm gonna be making in the locker room. They're gonna think I'm still seventeen. I'm gonna dunk on these kids for a few months. And now it's not xenophobia, but there is something of like, I don't know, they're from a different country. We don't know what age they are, like, show us your birth certificate.

But there is something where it's like, Okay, something is off that we are just accepting this because if that was a white man in Canada who was like, I'm I'm seventeen, they'd be like, you are thirty years old. But I think part of it because they're like, I don't always from a different land, you know. Maybe that's what thirty year old that's the seventeen year olds in

Sudan look like. I think there's something to that. At the same time, so the picture at the top of this article is is Jonathan guarding a younger man who's wearing a jersey number nine, who has you know, his pimples. He's a teenager, clearly, and Jonathan has a a receding hairline and it is so obviously older than everyone is wild stuff. He has a family cheering forum. I think that's what they were nervous about. They were nervous. But I mean, which, yes, you should be. You should check

like after finding out that stuff. But like that's on you. Let him finish the season, Like let him dunk on your children. That's your fault. After seeing a picture of him, what do you what do you even talk about as a twenty nine year old in high school with the skillers. It's kind of fun too because it feels sort of like a victim less crime, Like obviously he is someone you know his he wasn't a prospect with the Little League World Series. That feels less victim less crime because

he was a child. But this is just a grown man pretending. And you're like, yeah, those teams you be do Canadian high school basketball teams? We need to pass the hat for them. Like I don't think so, Jason, what do you got for number two? I'm going to go with Donald stir Ling his entire career but in the main his but in the main his fall from grace after his racist outbursts, his racist tirades that were caught on tape in two thousand fourteen, and then his

later being banned for the league. In the words of Adam silverf Um, this was a long time coming. It was no secret what a piece of ship Donald Stirring was. He had been sued in federal court for he made most of his money as a landlord, and he had had been found guilty of of keeping non white people from renting his apartments. So kind of like from dad, an absolute piece of ship, guy um that the endi, you know, let be within its framework. And it's a

collegial brotherhood of owners. For many years until he was caught on tape saying numerous racist things. I think one of my favorite things that came out of all of this is the famed deposition that he did from two three, in which he was asked about I forget exactly what the entire question was, but here is Donald Sterling's answer to a question, Well, I fool around sometimes I do. This is from the court documents. Well I fool around

sometimes I do. When a girl seduces me and tells me all these hot stories and dirty things, and tells me how much she wants to suck on me, and takes my shoes off and licks my feet and touches me. I'm in a limousine. She takes all her clothes. The limo driver said, what is going on? And she started sucking me on the way to Mr Coon's house and I thank her, I thank her for making me feel good. The lawyer says, question, sir, the question was is this

your handwriting? Oh my god? I mean also like that is the best. It sounds like an uncle joke made. It really does. It's so And then also to refer yeah, she sucked me, like what what were you getting this language? Unfortunately, so when you have these rich, rich men that are like disgusting and evil and you see them with because it was his girlfriend who eventually outed him, when you see them, it's like, yes, we are we know that they have sex, but we don't have to think about it.

And we but like when then with the stormy Daniels and that, like when we have to hear the details of how these disgusting weird I mean even this what's happening in the Epstein Dot they say he had an egg shaped penis. It's like, some of these are so great. And to have to hear him say suck me off

is it's it's it's actually it's a horror film. It's a word, I will say, one of the small one of the very small, all absolutely miniature bits of happiness to be found in the Epstein documentary on Netflix, which I watched fervently, is that moment when the lawyer is asking him about the abnormal shape of his penis to his face. I mean, that's that's as close as that came to a come up, And that's really as close as as anyone got to any kind of justice. Was

being like, so, your penis shape weird. It's like all the girth is down at the base. Is that t Yeah, I mean no, that's yeah, that is um uh yeah yeah again. Um is searching. She's looking into the sky right now and just yeah, I'm sorry again, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Sorry. It's so it's so Epstein, not funny,

not funny. The limo driver going what's happening? No? And and that was like Silver's like the way he handled that too has sort of made Silver such a hero and like icon for being a commissioner in sports just because you know NFL, Like obviously fucking Goodell is a ship head, but like Silver handled that, and that it was also that's like the silver lining of that, Like we saw who Adam Silver was and and has since you know, done a bunch of stuff and the way

he's handling you know, the coronavirus and all that stuff. Um, yeah, that he's just like an awesome commissioner. It created his legacy in a moment. Really, it was immediate, wasn't the immediately like his first year that was so quickly after him becoming commissioner. Yes, it was basically his first announcement

of taking the job to the wider public. You know, I think you know, NBA nerd sports nerds had been aware of him, although maybe not his personality and stuff, but that was the first time that that the the the sports watching public across the world really gotta look at him, and to move with that kind of authority

was really necessary. And again I think the league. I think that there's a lot of criticism you can aim at the league in terms of them having Sterling as part of their brotherhood for so long, knowing what a absolute pos he has been and is, and also the fact that you know, he was famed for not putting any money into his team, like just not not funding it at all, not wanting as you know, getting rid of uh players who were about to be up for a free agency contracts kind of low balling his coaches.

He was notorious for that in addition to being a racist piece of ship human being. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you almost switch. Um, they could do a little, a little deeper dive on some more owners across some Greeks, and I think, I think across sports. Yeah, it turns out that a lot of the people who have, you know, a couple of hundred two a billion dollars to spend on just toys and stuff, how have some bad opinions. It's really really in touch with how the real world works.

My number two is the Mitchell Report. Yeah, so that it's named after I had to burp. Sorry, it's named after U S. Senator George Mitchell, who was given the task of investigating Major League Baseball's rampants just catastrophe with performance enhancing drugs. And like, if Congress were to get involved with something in sports today, I'd be like, you know, maybe maybe bring water to Flint. Maybe there's fair stuff

for you to be doing. But this was at a time where it like the issue had gotten so bad and the American public was so angry about it. Because the people that are vocally angry love baseball. Back in those times, and they were it was just this really dark cloud and it was making America's pastime look so bad that they tasked the U. S. Senator with investigating it.

I mean, it's like it's basically Muller with a baseball and and and obviously Muller was an outside not a senator, but it's like when you start to get the government involved, you've got like a real fucking issue. Um. The report ended up labeling eight nine baseball players, many of them massive, massive stars. Jason giomb Berry bonds it was a true dagger public relations wise for baseball, and I think is

like that whole era. It has an asteris and a lot of that is because what came out in those congressional hearings and this report, Yeah, baseball is like uh and I didn't know if anyone's gonna bring it up, but like the Astros scandal, yeah, so how do we knowing? You know? And a lot of those astros are the luckiest, They are the biggest benefactor of COVID happening. Are the anger at them has softened because there's anger and fear directed at actual things. I hope someone is using this

time though, too. Maybe when we come back that, like, hey, let's pick up where we started because and I also want to know, like, then do we avoid some because the players on that Mitchell report broke records. Yeah, I mean that's the that's the issue with these Hall of Fame ballots. And you know they talked about, well, they're not going to get in the first time, but like, is Barry Bond's going to get in? Yeah, eventually he's going to get in. And then and is there a

wing at the Hall of Fame? Like what how do you handle the history of it? And and the Astros absolutely that change the course of who won a World Series And they can deny that that happened, and they important to all the studies they want, but they won the World Series in a year when they were cheating and cheating so badly that one of their own said,

this is fucked up. Regarding the Astros, I I really feel for Clayton Kershaw because that was really his last chance to kind of like shake off the tag of of being a choker, really a choker for the ages, like the greatest by the numbers picture maybe in history, who for some reason kept coming up short in the postseason. And I think they really, like, irreparably destroyed that dude's career, and it's it's honestly just fucking awful. It's so sad, and I think the fact that they're gonna kind of

get away with it is is infuriating. Although Lebron James is producing a documentary about that. The Astros with the sign seeling Astros, Yeah, I think their owner is bad um. Obviously, their front office has been exposed as being bad in multiple ways. But baseball also has this like kind of

air of superiority or moral like we are. But it's like you guys fucked up a lot of things in a lot of different ways, and and in the midst of what's happening right now, dude, you're the only ones in a labor dispute like they And I think that is in some ways why it's less popular than these other sports, because it's like you guys are really playing on a lot of borrowed money, like pr wise and like we're good. It's you've had too many bad things and not handled it correctly to act like you are

this moral compass for sports. Yeah, I mean the sign stealing stuff with the Astros really kind of overshadowed the the really despicable like stuff that went on in the locker room with regarding their assistant general manager and female journalists, like pretty shitty stuff, and they lied about and they lied about it. Yeah, absolutely, the bald faced light about it. I'm still mad that I got thrown out of a Dodgor's game for smoking weak. You know, like, come on, baseball,

you gotta chill, Okay, you you gotta be baseball. You've got to be the parent that takes the keys. Flower or vape? What was vape? It was vape? And then I pet trying to be a good partner. She gave it to me. I put in my pocket and he said can you pull that out of your pocket? And then I pretended to not know what it was as a thirty year old man. Whatever I'm mad at that is it? Yeah, he goes as a flower. I was like,

I don't know, a dog, I don't know. It was like fireworks, firewireworks, trying to listen to some Katie Perry firework with must swerve on and you are really fucking it up. But you know what, when you throw someone out of a firework show, guess what they can still see the fireworks. Yeah, so we had the last laugh on that. Okay, cej your number two. My number two is just the Patriots. Yeah, in general, just in general. Take your I have a wheel here, I'll spin it

and we'll pick one to talk about. No, but like spy gay and deflate gay um and then again like the way. And I also kind of just want to discuss how we deal with this because they won right after a deflate gate and they suspended Brady for four weeks and then they just went on to win and they're they've gotten away with it, and Brady is now in Tampa Bay, and I'm like, so do not only are we going to figure out, you know, were these

championships driven mainly by Brady or mainly by Belichick? But are we going to continue to see corruption when we see corruption in Tampa Bay, when we see it in New England? Left, I'm excited to figure out who the biggest of the I think it's Belichick. And I only say that because I think he's very, very, very smart, and I think what he does is he operates it's this p D thing too. He operates within the rule. Like it's like, oh, you didn't say I couldn't, like,

beat someone with a hammer. I didn't know I couldn't do that, so I beat them with a hand. And it's like, Okay, well, no, I guess we have to in a world that can't beat someone with a like obviously that's a grass exaggeration, but he's constantly doing that.

What sucks about Brady is that there were I think it was one or two people ended up losing their jobs over that, and it's like, dog, you're rich, Like maybe he's secretly paying for them and helping them out, but he threw these equipment managers under the bus when it's like that, those are marching orders you gave them. I hate to flate Gate so much because it was it was a game against the Colts in the playoffs, and the Colts got their ass kicked so badly that

the balls didn't matter. The balls could have been fully deflated. We just were a bad team that day. C J loves when I say we. And so the more people talk, the more people talk about deflate Gate, the more I have to remember how bad the Colts were. And I just I wanted to deflate Gate to go away more than Patriots. And it came back even worse in the worst year of not even we're in the worst year now,

but like two sixteen. Uh yeah, yeah, yeah. Let they film people and they got in trouble just recently where they and I do think probably other teams are more willing to tattle on them. They are the winners, you know. I'd like to tack on two more Patriots controversies just for the record. One is more recent. Uh. Tom Brady of course has a line of um cheaty supplements that he has been putting into the market, and he's just released to quote immunity supplements over this. Here's a quote

from him. This is, of course, during a global coronavirus parademic quote. Over the years, I've learned how important it is to be proactive in taking care of my own body, he said. And the new immunity blend supplement called protect is supposed to heighten your immune system. Yeah, that's like con artists stuff. It's like, dude, that's like the life. What are you doing. That's weird, You're You're you're already

rich enough. Just like stop. If you want to take weird ship and kiss your kid on the mouth too long, that's fine, But you don't need to sell weird pills to other people that believe in their bullshit. Boom drop the podcast Mike given though it's on it and then number two, number two quickly just attack on for the record, would be Pat's owner Bob Kraft, you know, getting getting it absolutely on the up and up massage at a place in Palm Beach County that also happened to be uh,

trafficking women for prostitutions to wealthy clients. He was just getting it was on the up and up massage. He just went there for the massage. I think, Oh, you're being You're having a little Yeah, absolutely no, I mean that is that is like and the NFLO This pisces me off too because when you go to the super Bowl and the week's leading up to the super Bowl, all you see is if you see something, say something the black dot, like when you land in a super

Bowl city, it's sex. It's sex trafficking stuff everywhere. That is their number one concern. It is the largest weekend an issue that sex trafficking and all that that is the epicenter and the most famous team owned by this man is is a part of it. In such a disgusting way, and they did nothing and it's just like they did nothing, trash. I think Goodell's doing weird ship too. Well. They got the they got the video evidence thrown out on the grounds that it was like it violated some

his civil rights or something like that. It's like they have him on video engaging in whatever it is that the trcation at this yes, at this place. Um, but apparently the videotapes were not. The so called sneak and peak warrant violated federal law because it did not require a place to minimize the surveillance by only focusing on the acts themselves. It was they were too broad, essentially, is the argument. And we don't talk about this now.

The only thing we don't talk about, I know. But it was so it was like it was fun when it came out, and then it immediately if you knew anything about anything, it got like pretty dark. Pretty Yeah. It just reminds you and the fact that yeah, nothing is going to happen to him, but those women, ye awful, awful. All right, we're gonna take a break, not because we're done being mad about this, will forever be mad, but because we have to and we are back with our

number one picks, Jason. Usually how it works is that Megan and I will say ours, and then you will be our big finale. Okay, all right, Megan, you want me to go first? Okay? Mine is um Tanya Harding, Nancy Carrogan. I mean that is just There's been an Academy Award level film about it. It was the Limp Fix. These famous, famous, famous people. A woman got hit with a crowbar. There's the Glulees and the boyfriend. There's just all these crazy cast of characters. And it was mainstream media,

sports media. You could not it was so giant. It was such a huge story. It's it's sad, it has class implications. It really it was like it was a quote unquote sensational story, sadly for Nancy, and it's something we think about still constantly. Yeah, that's the Nancy screaming. It's just the thing that is burned into my brain. This is a great one and one of those stories also that I feel like, man, if this had happened today, we would not be able to get away from this story.

We are are hunger for it would be insatiabal. We want to know what every update, every second like, what is going on now the I need to know everything about the Glueyes, it would be a s who did the glus vote for? Um? Yeah? We would be so like I remember what Nancy was wearing, like everything. It just we saw so much of it cover of every single magazine. Well and then so I have a question. Nancy went on to go she hosted SNL after she like it made her What if she had just won

the gold medal? Would she be a pop culture you know? I think she not to the same extent. I do think she would have been, because she is a beautiful American woman who would have won a gold medal in one of those like really prestige you know, like a lot of figure skaters are famous. But it would not. I don't. I don't think she would have hosted. And I don't mean to ask that, and being like, well she got to host SNL. What else can you ask for it? Like you want me to hit you with

a crowbar? So you can? I just like, you know, just what what can cause it? Well? And you like the whole time I was watching Titania, which is a movie I really really liked. I think is so well done. I was like there's there's not a world where Nancy has thrilled with this film, but that that kind of it was like, I don't know if that's just what happens when it's when Hollywood likes what we got to tell the other story, and that's kind of she was

then sort of the victim of that too. Well. I'm glad you brought up the class issue because the documentary and then Titania really, uh, something I had not really considered in the time since this story happened, and in my general awareness of it was just how much, um the tenor of the story was colored by those kind of class signals and also by the way these women

were perceived. One Nancy Kerrigan, who's this beautiful, like very put together, you know, America's sweetheart parl Yes, like just in the aesthetic and the way Tanya is this more working class, like muscular, like just the way those visual he was in signals colored the way I perceived the case, and I think people perceived the case, And I think that the documentary and then the following movie really really brought that other side to it. And I think there

was actually that was useful actually to the conversation. It is also like interesting, maybe it's sad when there's not like a race issue to exploit, it's like we'll still find a way. Um. And then because when I I mean I was a child obviously, but like I wouldn't.

I didn't look at Tanya Harding and be like that's white trash like I did not, because I think as the general public, if someone is a figure skater, you're like, yeah, you probably have money like that, just it's just a sport that seems expensive and we know that it is, like I don't. And they look very like put together and and pretty and stuff and the jewels, and so you just think like, oh, yeah, they're all they're all

on the same socio economic playing field. And we didn't really know that until you got Tanya's side of it of bullying and the feeling less then and the mom and the birds. Great performances, amazing performances. So yeah, that's my that's my number one, all right, my number one.

So it was originally Tim Donnie, um, but of course I knew it was gonna be brought up, but I just looked up this one had to call in audible, but Rosie Ruise the Boston which is like, I don't know much about it, so maybe if you guys do anything, feel free to chime in. But she took the subway. I love it personally, Like it's like like there sitcom episodes inspired by this, so I'm like, tell me more, and what are there no movies made directly about this? I am first of all, I've always just kind of

been in awe of Rosie's moxie and chutzpa. I just think it's fit, like, yeah, take the so and you're in your whole marathon outfit with the sack and the whole thing. Just run a couple of blocks, jump onto the A train, you know, and go uptown, maybe have a have a coffee and get something to drink and then like something light and then you know, start running a race. I was, I honestly like, find this so over the top that I kind of respected. Yeah, yeah I did. It's like you did a Nathan for You

episode before, like thirty years before. That's awesome. The thing that's like I don't want to run a marathon, so we relate to this. It's like, yeah, I've done the anti Rosie where once I they had shut down my street in the street I had to cross in Chicago to get to a weight watchers meeting for the Chicago Marathon, and so I could not go around. There was nothing

I could do. So in jeans with a purse, I ran two blocks of the Chicago Marathon so I could cross the street to go to my weight watchers meeting. That's incredible. I would add that there's a famous picture of Rosie that is like iconic, So it's her. She's I believe she's crossed the finish line at this time and has done so in record time. This is the nineteen and she's being carried by these two Boston p D cops because she is so she is just giving it all. She loves it all out there and she

is just being like they're just like neds. We need to, we need to, she needs she needs water, can we get we can need some help? Can we get a stretcher? And she's just being carried. I absolutely fucking love it. Yeah, And this is this is like people always talking about, man, what if there was social media back then? It's like, yes, I want the memes for those three weeks for Rose, Like what are the Rosie means? Like the private plane that's what we need to start running back. You know,

yeah she did the challenge. It's just I'm sorry anyways. And also was she a front runner? Like, don't know, pun Into aren't marathoners. It's like, you know who's gonna win the marathon because it's like best job. It's like, yeah, I've been training with my friend. That's not how it works, Like these are the six gals who can win. She's great, Rosie Rose is a great name to autely just just so she's a performer and everything is fine, like I did it as an as an exhibit and Kaufman, right, yeah,

she's great. I love her all right, and I had I went with as my number one pick. The League of Denial, the long running effort by the NFL too minimize and then cover up the effects of Wow, the effects of concussions, the um the amount of concussions occurring in their in their game, and then the long term health risks associated with those uh, with those concussions really

a not to it's really bad. It's it's a it's a story that I think forced a lot of people who who love sports and love the NFL to kind of re evaluate, um, their moral stance in watching games. And I think that's something that's still ongoing to you know, you know, as we've learned more and more about these things. And this is and it was really a long running thing.

And this is since like the nineties to the odds, this effort to UM at once say, oh, you know, drugs and knee injuries, those are the more those are the more serious things that leaves looking at too. Oh, concussions,

they don't really happen that much too um. No one really knows what the long term effects of those things are to you know, the various tragedies that happened, and and some of the kind of like really shocking, um multiple concussion plays that we've seen, like Troy Aikman staggering around the field, Steve Young staggering around the field, and these players that would then go out and play UM and then seeing the older players now yeah, and the

things that have occurred that it's just like there's a pattern here. People like, yeah, and that's what I'm afraid of. And we we've talked about it several times here. It's like the returning of these leagues the NFL has not surprised me. And how they act like we're starting on time. We're like and it's just like the one of the business. It's like full steam ahead. Yeah, And the effort has been going on since the nineties and not much has changed.

It's like, hey, you know what, We're going to add more pads to the helmets. It's like, no, guys, every contact is a car accident. We need to fix this somehow or stop until we do. If you think of like the NFL as a bell curve, I think we are on the back end their popularity. They're still the most popular and richesns but I think we are we are descending on that and when they come to whatever and or whatever form they are in twenty years, this will be what is looked back on as the dagger.

I mean, you can talk about all the other Obviously, the domestic violence we did not bring up, and that's really I mean like the but a lot of the domestic violence is unfortunately tied to some of this. Like I don't want to give them a repass, but those are of course those are related. Yeah, yeah, of course not. We can that's a it's a great point, um. You know. Ct E and these brain injuries are tied to a lack of impulse control, a lack of ability to control rage.

And while yes, absolutely cannot give anyone a free pass and anything like that, these are these are these are inconnected, interconnected forces that continue to affect the league. And I think you're right. I think we'll see, you know, as we go forward. What's probably likely to happen is we'll see people as people pull their key. It's at of

like Pop Warner, etcetera. I think we'll I think we'll see, you know, more and more players coming from the socioeconomic margins who this is their way out, and they'll they'll make you know, they'll make that kind of deal with themselves that well, you know, if I get if I get C T E and make two or three million dollars, it's worth a short career, it's worth it. Yeah. But unfortunately, at least they will have the information to make that

decision as opposed to going into it. Yeah, it shouldn't be the NFL who makes billions of dollars go well, yeah, we're giving the money. That's all we can do. You know, it's an unstoppable thing. No, let's continue the efforts, guys, Let's pour more money into those efforts. Let's I never saw a concussion. Sorry Will Smith. Um, dear friends, if you're listening. And the reason I didn't was because I always felt like, well, there's no way the NFL would

let a film come out that's honest about it. But I do think in twenty years, ten years, we will get a very honest and very grim sad almost like John Grisham es Aaron Brock, a bit like Dark Waters CT. I agree that will be so sad and heart but I mean, yeah, you see some of these retired players walk and it's bad. Oh my gosh, it's bad. They're guys that are in great health too. You look at their hands up close. It's it's something that fully fully

mangles your body. And c J is like full steam ahead once all of our children, like when they're like a day old, He's like, get them out there doing drills. Get them. I played for nine years and I am definitely affected. I in a weird way. I'm like, I think it helped me because then I got into the art. Now, listen, you're not as an excuse in a in a relationship is great, that's terrible, don't That's not an actual belief.

But my brother played a lot of high school football when of my in Dela Bowl memories is him getting his bell rung in a game and then he wasn't supposed to play, and then they put them back in and my mom like charging down to the sidelines and screaming at the coach like why is he back in the game? Good for your mom? Yeah, yeah, all right, Well that is a great ongoing scandal that I don't know when it's gonna stop. But um, Jason, thank you so much for joining us. I mean really, I just

love chatting. And yeah, we took a trip so here. It wasn't the darkest path, but it was like a kind of dark path. But I still think that we had some fun while we were. I agree, we walked through the shadow and we came back into the light. Yeah, we'll have you back on. We'll talk about like greatest Sports VHS Blooper or something like that. To talk to you two of my favorite people, and and and honestly an inspiration. Your relationship is is just a model for

so many people. And I like and to be I'm being sincere now, but to be even more th here, it's one of the coolest things about of coming here and being part of like the community of people that I've met, you know, the circle of friends that I have here and acquaintances. It's just like how great everybody is. There's like, you guys are just great. You guys are part of it. He was a wonderful we um. That

is so sweet. We did the podcast with Nitz bluth Stein and she very much like echoed the same thing. She was like, the comedy community and the basketball community have made this large, fun, cool, really kind community that it's like, bafflet It's crazy to me. And I asked, like, if you were to tell eight year old me, like when you grow up professionally and recreationally, it'll be comedians and people in basketball, I'm like, you're you're kidding what, No,

I don't believe you. So it is something that I like, I'm so grateful for every every day. But we're all the smartest and the coolest and the hottest, and we did find so it's kind of just like, yeah, if you put us in high school, we're going to be friends. Yeah, Jason, what can we plug for you? NBA desktop is ongoing all the way out here. Well, NBA desktops on going and then listen to Binge Mode, which I co host with Malley Rubin, and read whatever stuff we've got coming

out on the Ringer dot com. Awesome, all right, thank you so much. We're gonna start Survivor. I really feel it. Let me know how it's going. I can't wait to know how it's going. We just got a new giant couch, and I think that's how we break it in, maybe laying on it and watching people starve. All right, and don't forget to rate and review. I've been c J Tod and I've been Megan. Thank you so much for listening, and stay safe and send us really nice reviews. Oh

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