Greatest Documentaries with Jamel Johnson

Lives Matter that's blocking the sun. So dual purpose, but honestly, I don't want our neighbors to see it. I think our neighbors are on the right side. Okay. The voice

of hearing is Megan Gaily. Yes, I'm Megan Gaily, and this is my husband and co host, c J. Toladano, And today we have a very special guest, someone we've been trying to get on the podcast, but he's busy, he works, and so now that the world has different hours and schedules, we were able to make it happen originally from d C. He's going to correct me and be more specific about what it is, and I'm happy to get into that. No one makes me more excited

to see do stand up like I just love watching him. Um, one of the hosts of air Buds give it up for Jamal Johnson. Oh Jesus Louis's thanks so much. You guys are fantastic. Yeah, I forget people aren't here to class, you know, like sometimes you you piped me up? Good, good good, Okay, now I said d C. We we were talking about this when we were d m NG. Where specifically are you from. I'm from Northern Virginia, okay,

which is all connected? All right, we're on the same highways. Yeah, I'm the v and I'm from our Linington and Woodbridge, And I have to say Woodbridge because that's where I lost my virginity. But I spent a lot of time in both towns, and then I lived in d C proper for like five years too. Is that where you started stand up? Yeah? Yeah, I started in Woodbridge had Brittney's Sports Bar, which is just like it's like it's a d factory. Yeah, it's just really do you hear

a woman's name attached to like a tavern? Especially? Yeah, and Brittany did not fucking play Okay, they you know, Wing Night, pretty good deal, karaoke, it's going nuts early on a wild get pretty ratchet people throwing glasses in Hennessee, things of this nature. But uh, I love that place so much. And I remember I finally got it was like an open mic, and it was actually one of

the better open mics in the whole area. What I found out later there would just always be a crowd like it was just it was just so far from the city, was nothing for anybody to do. And then I finally got to host it, and then I ran the show into the ground. Yeah, I killed it. It was great. I've done that with um. Yeah, listen, I honestly think the better the comedian. You are the worst. You are running shows, Yeah, because you want to do a bunch of other shows. Well yeah, you're just like, yeah,

I want to do other shows. You want to run your hour between comics. I've never been a successful producer, probably actually the worst comedy producers ever. Um, did you ever do that show? Uh? Did you ever do my show at Highland Park Bowl? You must now trash? Well, the thing is, yeah, she didn't run it so much that I ended up producing it more than you. That's not true. I was like, because I can't set up lights and do I don't. That's just not you, not

me either. I don't do lights either though for I'm not I'm not standing on a chair. I'm not getting on no matter. Yeah, that's crazy. That's primarily how I got into it. I kind of was just good at climbing up ladders, putting up curtains. I got standing on way bar chairs. That's how I cut my teeth. Chammel and I we have bigger we want to live. You guys are good comics. You guys talk about things. Now. Why do you think I assumed you were from Maryland? Well,

I guess just because I'm black. I feel like Maryland is the blacker of the three areas definitely, which I mean, at least that's how it feels, you know, in my head, But you know, it's all pretty I would. I guess we've kind of been downgraded as an area to kind of black, which is still exceptionally black, more more black than most of the country still. But oh yeah, yeah, I mean d C is to me the most integrated city I have ever been to in the United States.

I don't New Orleans. Yeah, everybody's just drunk down. Everybody's together and d see if that's just how it that's how it felt to me. Yeah it was. And there would just be one crazy guy with the Obama is a snake van, you know what I mean. But everybody else, everybody else, it was all love. That's great. I've loved everyone that came from DC. Like, who are some alumni like comedians, athletes who were talking about who's representing your area?

Adrian Danley okay? Uh, Wanda sites Chappelle, Lawrence yeah, uh, Patton Oswald claiming who else? Who else is from out there? Uh? Right now? I mean Hampton, Unt s Smith, a couple of couple of guy guys. Uh, who else? That's good. That's that's a very good crew. My brother used to work at a hookah bar in DC. I'm wondering if you ever went to it. I cannot remember what it was. I was never when I was in do you see,

I wasn't a hookah bar guy. I was only a hookah bar guy when I was like eighteen and a half for for six months and then where Yeah, it was just like it was like a six months. I was really into it. We would go to this Hookah bar and Woodbridge and play your excuse me? She was loved. I got it, dude. I've been seeing these like now they're making hype beast, you know cards. Have you guys gotten the Instagram ads for this? Not? What? Why do you say? Because Instagram knows that I'm not going to

buy that. But Instagram as a duck. I keep getting vegan nuggets and a lot of stuff about my hair that they keep coming to ad me about my hairline. I get a lot of um It's like it's a specific filter. It's that white girl influencer filter. All my ads are like those girls in really really big hats with pants that are sinched together at the waist that time, and then bating suits with tassels everywhere. Okay, so I guess this is the big question. Have you guys ever

felt compelled to buy things from Instagram? I want? I did. I bought it. I bought a thing. I bought a crazy jersey from an Instagram And yeah, okay, I want to hear. I want to talk about jerseys too. I know this is an episode, but I gotta talk about jerseys when we have you on. I mean, that's you know, fully fair and I don't want it at all. It

was it's it's like some soccer team. It's like an Italian soccer team's jersey and like a like a little kid did the drawing, and it's like it's a dolphin like heading a soccer ball like that becomes a rainbow. Oh my gosh. And then at the bottom it says, by Luigi, what, wow, that's a little I think it's a little boy. I think it's just this little boy who drew it. Wow what what? Like I thought it

was like yeah, yeah, like what's sweep steaks? Like you know, they're like you, you can name our new type of pizza. But to be able to draw an entire jersey and have your name on it like that is that's beyond me. But I thought by Luigi meant like as in like by Felicia, but like you thought that was Italian by Felicia, yeah, like flash it was maybe the like the dolphin or like the dolphin opponent and then it like headed the ball for the wind and said, okay, by Luigi, it's

Luigi Degustino, cerro boy from Italy. It was the team, it's it's Pistara Calcio, some Italian squad. I don't know, but it's how much that Jersey run you? Oh man, it was in euros I wasn't even paying attention. Bro. I think it ended up being about it ended up being about fifty bucks. I think somewhere around. That's a deal. Instagram, I mean Instagram products, you get yourself a deal. I just bought this dad hat or the swish is a joint.

It is embarrassing. And you said it was the funniest hat you've ever seen, and like, I have to be honest. The artwork isn't even that good, is It kind of looks like the thing that like Timon and Pumba squeeze juice out of to try and get Simba into their weird diet. Like it's not it doesn't even look like smoke.

It's bad. Um, But I'm happy that c J. I am a sucker for like bootleg merchandise that has like funny swooshes, like they have a peanut butter and jelly one or its peanut butter and jelly but a Nike swish, did you get it? No, contemplating it's only fifteen bucks. Oh, I did buy Jordan Clarkson jersey bootleg throwback jazz jersey from a weird site thirty dollars. Should I get out

of the Mountains? Yeah? Should I get this spongebobu Zeros? Yes? Yeah, because doub zeros, Like if you get like the bootleg fake doub zeros, they were already they already looked fake anyways, because it was like nine different Jordans, So I gotta show them what doub zeros are. I feel like, yeah, no, I don't. I truly don't care. Jamal, how are you? How are you doing? You've been cracking me up on Twitter? Thanks?

That's all I have. You have a you have a way to be an activist and funny at the same time, and it's really not a departure from your stand up voice, and I think we all really really really appreciate it during this time. Well damn thanks guys. I'm gonna you know,

I'm gonna try to keep giving you on some hits. Uh. You know, I've decided my strategy during this quarantine is to just tweet manically, like just give in to it, like just become like Harness that like Kanye, you know, and Amber Rose just broke up like like ride that. Don't deny, don't deny it, just write it. Yeah, I mean, I'm on my phone NonStop, so all like I'm refreshing, like I want the tweets. I don't ever like I do get that criticism from people like, hey, you tweet

too much. My co workers say that it's just like I'm providing you content. I'm about a Superintendo game that you may not remember, but now you do. That's the only way you can be seen either. This is a pro tip. You have to just keep firing. If you put out one tweet, no one's gonna see it unless it's the best tweet ever. You gotta drop like ten dude, yeah it is. You know, I will retweet a arrest Brianna Taylor's killers and then and then I'll have something.

You know. Yesterday a mosquito flew inside of my shorts and bit my my butt, and I was high and so I wanted to tweet man bugs or freaks um. But then I was like, I had just tweeted about wanting police brutality to end, and it's like, is that can you can you do back to back me? Curious? You just gotta pin. You just gotta pin the activism, pin the activism up, and then you can get get crazy, Okay, I mean and honestly, it is a social issue. If

you're trying to cancel a bug. I'm not trying to cancel a bug, but it is like anyone else fly up my shorts and bite my butt. You're in big trouble, and anyone else are just one of the options. They like, you guys have penises. I have a vagina and sometimes they bite so close to my vagina and it's like, that's fucked up. Bite my foot, get out of here, so bite your foot. Can you imagine saying that to a man? Bite my Yeah, bite my foot and not

my vagina, Jamal. Our number one fans are my parents, and they took issue with me mentioning my bush last week, and I'm not issue. You know, they go love the podcast. I didn't need the bush. So now I'm two weeks in a row. I'm really sorry, dad, and it's supposed to be Father's Day and his birthday. Damn it. I'll do a clean one for you grumps. Jamale. How are how are you dealing sports wise? What have you have you been getting your fix? And are you excited for

the season to return. I am semi excited. Not a full not a full chub, but I gotta you know, I'm working on it. Um. If you don't make I, if you don't look at me, maybe I could get a chub. You know. That's where I am with it. And uh, other than that, I've been I was pumping a lot of old highlights early. I would uh, I would just fire up the DJ pro and then uh play a bunch of YouTube highlights and then have music in the background and then just you know, just twitch

myself into an oblivion. Yeah. I was watching some of those so like there I think there was like there's like a few of us in there, and it was just soothing. Like I was just on my phone sometimes before go to bed oor Megan, We'll go to sleep early, but I'll be in the bed and I'll hook up

headphones to my phone and just watch stuff. And that was like genuinely my calm app you playing highlights with like Kenny Laddermore playing over it, and then he ended up, Oh man, that was my that was just my crowning achievement. The way that song lined up with the ring Ceremony from uh, ninety six or seven whenever, the year, the beginning of the last dance year. But the ceremony, I

was really proud of that because that wasn't fully intentional. Um. I'm just checking my Instagram D M S and I see that you've sent us the Dolphin jersey and it is so so I think actually what ended up happening is that this was I don't know if he drew it or Fluigi just colored it the best, but I've seen you wear this jersey too, and now I'm so happy to know the story behind it. No, you haven't.

It ain't even came yet naked. It's classic. I mean, I've worn some wild I've worn some flagrant ship it's fun. What is the wildest jersey you have? The wildest jersey I have is probably a hockey jersey a a h L team called the Kentucky thorough Blades. It's a and it's like a horse. It's kind of in the color way of the old Mighty Ducks. And it's a very buff horse with skates like with a stick. You feel me that one's flag But I've one the one that's more rare than that. Shouts out to d c Stalwarth.

I hope that's a good term. West Martens. My guy, this comic I came up with. He gave me his adult rec league jersey. One of the dudes on his team worked for ant Heiser Busch, so they got custom bud Ice jersey. I have a jersey. I have a bud Ice hockey jersey with a penguin on it. Who is also wearing a bud Ice hockey jersey with him and he doesn't have it's got a web feet the penguins. Well, yeah, because he doesn't need it. He can walk on the well,

you know, he's just rapping the set. Okay. I love that. Yeah, I mean because I haven't gotten into hockey jerseys that much outside of like the nineties Mighty Duck stuff. But I've been looking at Cleveland Lumberjacks all stuff. It's like an old beaver. I don't know if it's HL, but it's just like a step below. Yeah. So that's I mean, there are other people like me, Megan out there that. Okay, I know that. I just want to make sure that's why I want. But the thing is, I want you

to sell your things to those people. I want you to start exploiting those people the way someone exploited Youkay, I've been trying to figure it out too, Bro, we gotta tea. Yeah, yeah, I mean I bought I bought that Mellow Syracuse jersey off you that's hanging up. I saw Iraq. Uh. Yeah, you you have quite the collection. And honestly, you I love how you buy obscure stuff and stuff that just genuinely makes you happy. Like that's

how I also buy stuff as well. Yeah, I like a jersey that's connected to a team that didn't do that great. I I'm honestly and I'm I love a deal, but I'm also inspired by failure. Love it. Should we take a quick break and then we'll come back with the topic. And we're back. So this topic, we are doing Greatest Sports Documentary, And yeah, CJ and I've been

wanting to do this for a long time. And there's obviously so much talk going on about documentaries that people should watch right now thirteen, Like a lot of they're being suggested to try and get help off of the help off of the main page of Netflix. So documentaries are definitely in the cultural alexicon right now. And then I really do think that sports documentaries have a lot to say about about being black in America, as someone

named Megan who's not black in America. But I have learned a lot about sports, but then also racism, classicism, Like they touched on everything. They're rarely about sports. It's like, yeah, it's where I learned everything else. Now, Jamale, we watched a non sports documentary called Comedian last night. Have you seen this film? No, I don't think so. No, Okay, it's a documentary that follows Jerry Seinfeld, but then side players end up becoming Ornie Adams or Adams. Do you

know Ornie Adams? I do know Adams. Okay, this is a sports documentary. This is inside the mind of a madman. Um And I don't know Ornie now. And you know what, like respect him. He's had a long career. It's came out in two thousand, two thousand and one, and like still doing those updates. I mean obviously not right, I mean, you know, actually he's going to be on the line of comics. We were watching last night and I was like, this, this could count, but it's not. It's not going to.

Um No, well, I just it was Comedians are mentally ill that's like every single person that sign felt included absolutely everything seemed fucking insane. I really don't take joy in watching stand up. You made me turn off us because you were too scared, and then we turned on Comedian. Whatever. We don't need to air our in front of our friends. Okay, So, Jamal, do you want to lead us off with your number three greatest sports stock of all time? M Um? Okay,

and I get first pick. Yep, Damn. This is tough because don't give us your best one. We like to We like to go in a sending or like three. Okay, Okay, I'll give you my number three Women of Troy, the USC the eighties women's basketball. It is new and I did like it a lot, and I and I, uh, I just liked it because it was some different you know, like we just don't ever see any women's highlights ever.

And we finally got some good Cheryl Miller footage, which I've been which I've been wanting since I saw her on Living Single, Bro. And so you really love women's basketball. I mean, you're a huge w NBA fan. Are you a season ticket holder? No? But I have been down from the jump. I've been down from the jump, and I've really heated up since the Mystics have gotten good. It's harder when the mystics suck. Like that's the reason I don't talk about football is much because my team

is bad. So having the mystics just really yeah, really ain't me up the past couple of years. But yeah, and I was a big fan of the comments back in the day, so seeing I didn't know that Cynthia Cooper who was also on the same college team as she, and they were fucking nasty. They just destroyed people. Yeah, I mean Cheryl Miller people talk and uh, and I don't know the women's game as well, but Cheryl Miller, they say, is probably the goat, right would you say? Megan?

I mean, like the thing is though she like what she didn't playing the w n B A like did she just I know? But like how old was she wanna debut? Like did she have she just missed? Like, yeah, she missed it. She was out of her prime. And she also, uh she was she just came up in an era where they really didn't have like good technology or like a sports science or whatever. Because she blew

her me up. Yeah, she blew her knee up at the end of her senior year when she was about to go overseas and then basically just called it quits from there. Cheryl Cooper did end up going overseas and getting a bunch of dubs, and by the time she came back, she came back. It's basically like like a second three Pete Jordan's It's like older, we didn't even see Cynthia Cooper in her prime. She was like, Wow,

late twenties, early thirties, maybe rookie year, you know. Yeah, I mean by the time the w n b A came around, Cheryl was probably making so much more as a commentator than you ever could as a w NBA player. Unfortunately. Yeah, it's man, the inaugural season of the w n b A is hilarious as well. A lot of rookies with you never see rookies with bags under their eyes. Is that this I'm just saying, just imagine you'd like it's their eighth job, like people or you know, they played

this already shortened season, super Man. They get to uh, they get to relax and train. It's just like, no, they have two to three more leagues to plan because they're trying to like all that combined is gonna be what three K like it's it's insane And do you know like loving basketball is kind of loosely based on the two of that thing that Yeah, it was usc right you played there. Um it's also a great name, Women of Troy. It just sounds badass. Um, we I have not seen it. We got it on the list

for sure. Absolutely. You cry every time I send you a picture of Reggie and Cheryl. Oh, it's like my screensaver. I love them. I love them holding basketballs together, I love them hugging there there. I post pictures of them on Siblings Day. You should get Cheryl on the show. I'd love to see Jack. Gosh, you know what, I wish you hadn't taken a hit a week before we started. Why would you tell? Because you're a damn nuisance to me? Um? Okay,

so great first pick? You want me to go next? Tokay? Okay, So I'm actually staying within the Miller family. My third pick is winning time. Is it biased? For sure? And I think of you would That's why I didn't want to take it off the board. Get get you, get yours. That's so, so, so sweet. I mean absolutely, thirty for thirties have revolutionized the sports documentary field like that. We could we could do an episode just great as thirty

for thirties. They are incredible. It's so great that ESPN has outsourced them and doesn't really do them and they leave it up to the people that are like more talented at that. And so whenever someone has never seen a thirty for thirty, this is the one I always recommend. I think it's funny, it obviously has drama, it has villains, it has heroes, like it's just so good, and it is obviously really targeted in on me. It's like it's my childhood. It's it's one tenth of what the Jordan's

Dock was. It's it's my version of that. It's just a slipper. Honestly, I would say it's better than the last time, so we could talk about that a little bit. I'm just I'm just thinking back, but Winning Time is one of my favorite I don't have my list, but like it is maybe the fun is documentary like people, it's a comedy, it's suspensible, it's heartbreak like I used to when I first watched that for the first couple of times, like I would go to bed sad for

Patrick Ewing. Um, it was the first time I liked Reggie Miller. It was, you know, the comedic timing and pacing of it, like and it's so quotable, like the presence of Mind like Spike Lee. And I mean, I don't want to I'm not trying to dis Indianapolis, but it was kind of like that series was racially charged. Yeah. I mean it's the documentary starts with them interviewing a bunch of white people that are mad the Pacers didn't draft Steve Alford. Um, So yeah, it definitely is is

it tough? Look? The Last Dance gave us another tough look. So rarely our documentaries funny, Like I feel like the documentaries that I'm really drawn to are like you learned something, You're devastating, there's no community, No, it's just Reggie Miller is funny and the way he antagonizes people is hilarious. Um. Yeah, I love it. And when I tell people to watch it, they're like, oh, yeah, this is so good. You don't have to like sports to be into this documentary at all.

So it's my third pick, Okay, C J. You give us your third my third pick undefeated two thousand eleven. Sorry, have you seen this, Jamal? No? Oh my gosh, this is like this is another one of those docs from like you don't have to know sports. It won It won an OSCAR for Best Documentary Documentary Feature, not Best

Sports Documentary. It won Best Documentary. And I saw it on accident, just like I was skipping class when I was in Chicago, and it is this story about this inner city Memphis team always been a loser, Uh don't they don't have equipment is And so it was directed by these two guys, Daniel Lindsay and T. J. Martin, and they were just kind of like these videographers that were sent on an assignment to go and get footage of this really fast, huge lineman. His name was O. C. Brown.

Like they're like, oh, this guy is gonna be in the NFL, Like, let's go catch catch him early. So they went down there and then this story wasn't veiled of just like or this like cast of characters from this just like you know your classic white Uh coach owns a construction business. His name is Coach Courtney, and you would think this dude is like super republican, but you find out he's just like this great inspirational leader who gets through to like these just like knuckle heads.

There's just like an underdog in it. And there's also yeah, the high School phenomen Um produced by Puff Daddy and the guy who made King of Kong, and it's it has that all the elements of it's funny, suspenseful. There's a scene in it that breaking one of the most moving things I've ever seen. And when like undefeated, without undefeated, there is no last chance to you, and there is no cheer like it is. It is the direct results, like it is the reason that those got made because

and they didn't steal the playbook from them. But it's just like, oh, people like this kind of thing, then let's keep making it because it is so moving and so beautiful. Um yeah, it's it was my number two. I love it. I love it so and honestly, yeah, that's like a genre and it's a sports talk not about this very important on the surface team. Yeah. I mean one of the kids, he's not big enough, but

he plays the line. His name is Money Brown, and so it's like after a practice and they follow him back to his house and he introduces the camera crew to his turtle. Uh. And it's just I don't want to spoil any more of it, but you know, I bet you'd love it, like yeah, I mean, and I'm not even saying you would, like everybody would love it. It's just a it's a beautiful, beautiful film. Yeah, great, great, thank you. Okay, well no, let's just keep going to

keep going. Jame, give us my number second pick um when we were Kings. Oh yeah, beautiful Ali Verse Foreman Rumble in the Jungle. You watched it the other night. Yeah, I was trying to get Megan to watch it a little bit, but yeah, you gotta watch him getting just everything about that. I mean, you see Foreman before he is like who we know of him today, Like it's insane that he was kind of like this Ivan Drago

dude back then. And then just and then you're just watching it realize, oh, Ali was maybe the greatest all around athletes of all time, Like no one's close. I know all did Man and he's so and he's so um it's not funny, but it's it's this he like captures you. Those are fireworks that they're setting off in broad daylight. Um, he you are just like, what is he gonna say? What is he gonna do? Where is he going to go? Your eye just goes to him, Like even when you see him fighting George Foreman, who

is so fa. I mean, we love him, we love his grill, we love all of his work. But you see the two of them and it's like, oh my god, Muhammad Ali is a king. He is he's a legend, He's a he's a god. And that was about all those guys kind of that title. The part them being in the country is so interesting, Like, yeah, it's just a very compelling story that they tell in a really great way. What's your favorite scene from it? Jamal Dude, I don't know. I don't want to while I do,

just know it's super important. It's just yeah, it's so important. I mean the one yeah. I mean, if you've watched all the Rocky movies and then you watch that, you go, oh, so they just so the Rocky movies just took the greatest hits from when we were kings. That's how important it was, like, and it was just document in real life, and then Rocky and Creed were like, oh, let's just do the training training montage from when we were kings, and then you're like, wow, I love this is my favorite.

Let's just make him white, you know. Yeah that's uh yeah, I'm glad it swung back through the creed to Michael B. Jordan's no, because this is an honorary spot. I really wanted to say, um, you guys know, do you do you count skateboarding as a sport? Here? Yes? Yeah, right, you know yeah, I mean all that Spike Jones ship I counted and I love Yeah. Right is TikTok thirty

years before TikTok? For sure? It is, Megan, I've you ever seen the footage of the skateboards without people on them, like doing like, I don't think it's skateboarding really spot in my life, they did, they were doing TikTok. It's but you would like this one, especially Megan, because the first part, this guy Brandon Bieble uh does a kick flip in a Peyton Manning jersey over over a traffic barrier.

It's like the it's like the second trick. And then like Owen Wilson appears and you're like, damn, when Wilson is just hanging out with you, does he skateboard I think like a little bit, but like his famous scene is like him talking about all these intricate moves that he did, but he did not he just Wilson. Okay, so he's Ornie Adams of this. Skateboarders are the most like mentally together. I think that's like he's the opposite or Okay, interesting, Jamal, that was a great Uh you

you did two picks and I love that. I just kind of doubled up. Yeah, do whatever you want. Um my number two pick was going to be undefeated, and so I'm gonna so been one of my honorable mentions that I also feel passionately about, and that is Benji Ben He's a great one. Chicago. It's just it's really, it's so devastating. Um, it's one of the saddest sports stories. It's based on Ben Wilson. Why are basketball stories so

fucking sad? Yeah? Yeah, I mean this one is particularly sad because besides him him being shot for no reason, he then also was taken to a hospital that didn't have the correct trauma unit, and it was so egregious that there's now a law in his honor that you if you have a certain type of wound you have to be taken to a certain type of hospital. Like if he had been taken to the right place, he

wouldn't have died. And so that's so sad. And the and the guy who shot him has become extremely reformed and then leads this questions about gun violence and gangs. You know. So obviously a positive outcome in his life came out of it. But Ben Wilson was supposed to be the next you know, and was killed at seventeen.

I love the documentary because it is so moving. But they utilize cartoons and that's kind of how they do the flashbacks, and you can tell it's really like a celebration of like black artists from Chicago and Chicago and and like it. I mean, R Kelly is from Chicago. Yeah, for sure, he's known as he plays. He's pretty good at basketball from what I heard. But yeah, no, it's hard. It's hard to talk about some of these things and realize he was involved again. Comedian last night, Big Cosby

Chunk in there. Oh yeah, that was tough. Yeah, I mean, I know, I know, it's really I mean, yeah, this document was made in two thousands. Well let's get R Kelly in there. You know that no, I it was it did something because when I was watching it, you know, obviously not a lot of us knew about the Benji story, and like I just you know, Derek Rose had talked about him a lot in his first few years, his

career whatever. But then there's that like twist or that moment where you think the story is over and then

they start interviewing the guy. Well he said then a guy, but he was a kid when he shot Yeah, Benji, And no way was it justified ever, but you and he explains it and you understand how it happened, and like, I've never seen that, I've like never seen that in a in a movie where you know, he's he's in jail and he's reformed and he's like, I was a kid and now he's trying to reach out to kids who I think that's what you resort to and in altercations and it's yeah, it's really intense and great. Yeah

that's my number two. That's a great one. Okay, c J. You want to give us your number. Yeah. Another devastating one Lenny Cook, directed by the Safty Brothers, which I feel like just doesn't get enough talk. No Lenny Cook, No, no, I haven't seen this one, oh man. So this is directed by the Safty Brothers and Sime Showtime. I believe some of the NBA players who funded it were Joe

Kim No Uh, Carmelo Anthony. But this is the story of Lenny Cook, who was ranked ahead of Lebron and Mellow and Chris Bosh and Noah at abc D camp UM and was expected to go number one and his fall from grace. Like again we talked about he was Lebron like he was in Lebron's class and on several lists was ranked higher and they started following Um sort of in his prime. And it has like the blindside elements.

He went and lived with a wealthy what's up. It almost feels like it was like inside gone wrong, Like he got a white family and they were I think. Yeah. I mean, she admits the the mom who who took him in, like admits to letting him slide a little

too much. Um. I mean, you see the battles at abc D camp, which was just like legendary for you know, seeing those high school prospects UM and you you watch him watch the draft and he's he's watching Kwamie Brown get drafted and then he's like eating McDonald's and he's like, oh, yeah, that's gonna be me next year. Uh. And then you see him go to Vegas for the first time for a tournament and he's getting, you know, into trouble with girls, see agents trying to like corrupt his life already. Um

and the downfall again. I don't want to spoil much, but there's just one scene where so there's the footage that they filmed of him in high school and a little bit of college. But then it's then half the movie is present day and you see what he's become and what his life is now, and then he's like checking in with the other pro players like Joe Kieman, Lebron, all these guys, and it's it's devastating and there's but there's little pockets of like hope in there, I think.

But then also directed and with a little bit like you know of Safty Brothers Twist. Yeah, it one of the best endings. It's very it's moving. It's good. I feel like now that we're giving our list seg and I've just seen all the same movies because c J makes me watch anything he likes, like, you showed me undefeated and Lenny, yeah, I'm Jamal. We were. Jamal hasn't seen these. I like, I want you to go and watch season and report that I needed. I needed some

new shift anyway. I've been watching Madam Secretary and I needed some new My dad says, best show on TV. There you go, bestow on Megan. Madam Secretary is low key, kind of fire. Very quickly, before we get to our number one picks, Um, I wanted to talk about what did you think of the last dance overall after a few weeks have gone by. UM thought it was good.

I wish they didn't rush to put it out considering we don't have anything to watch anyway, but I am very glad I got to watch it, and uh, you know, hey, it's it's the Jordan doc. It's not exactly the Dock of the Bulls, and that's fine. It turns out, you know, Michael Jordan's pretty interesting dude, and kind of the bulls he is, you know if you're gonna yeah, I've said

this before. It definitely changed my opinion of Michael Jordan's I just like wanted to hate him so much, just because he beat the pacers all the time, um, and in such heartbreaking fashion. But it really endeared me to him. And I'm so happy that I have my birthday twin to cele it right now. But yeah, there was definitely times where I was like, where are we What's going on? I know a lot of people do not like the

timeline jumps. Um, it didn't fully bother me. I get why they did it, but it wasn't my favorite part either. I like the time lad jump. If we're if we're just conceiding that this is gonna be about Mike, you might as well run it all, which I you know, I did not mind. Actually, I like Mike look weird and uncomfortable. Yeah. Oh I wanted all of that too.

I think they just could have done it in chronological order. Yeah, you know, I just you know what, I'm thinking about that too, because I had issues with that, but I just didn't think they had the footage to do it, because it would have been like episode one, nineties seven and then gotcha. But yeah, I mean Rob Hayes, uh Me and Rob Hayes were talking about how if you're like a die hard, it's not it's almost not for you or you can find too many inaccuracies, like a

lot of the music to just didn't line up. But it's just like, you know what, we're nerds, like, yeah, we're just having phone We're just having a fun time, you know, And I'm cool with that. Uh. I liked that. Um it seemed like people didn't really like Mike, like the team like he's like Mike's cracking jokes and nobody's really laughing. Yeah, you know, a little ship like that was very interesting. I mean, were they scared me? Like he seemed from watching it, I was like, oh, he's

less mean than I thought he was going to be. Like, I was like, he seems actually like pretty charismatic and fun. Now we didn't see the physical altercations that happened in practice, and to them when it's like it's it's all the footage, it's like, okay, well can we see him punch Steve Kerr?

Like that's then we're talking about all the footage. So he came out like when you hear those reports of like, oh, Mike is like, no one's gonna like me, no one's gonna like me after they see this, and then you see it and you're like No, you've actually seemed like hot and cool. I don't know why, but what happened to Luke? No, Luke longly like, yeah, there's people were of course he wronged Mike in some way. He like

he probably said like Stacy Agman's name out loud. He's like, Stacy played well tonight, right, Mike, and Michael just like canceled him in his brain. Don't yeah, you're talking about Stacy Agman. You only talk about Michael Jordan's Yeah, I'm gonna make you Stacy Aman. I don't even know who this is. Yeah, just like just a throwback shooting guards. Yeah,

right back with her number one picks? All right, and we're back, So jamale how it works as Megan and I will give ours and you'll be the big finale. All right, Megan number one, so my number one. Neither of you may have seen this. Um, it's my absolute favorite documentary of any kind. It changed how I viewed the world entirely. It is called Schooled The Price of College Sports. It came out in two thousand and thirteen.

It was directed by Trevor Martin, not our friend. UM, I guess there's more than one white man named Trevor Martin in the World and Ross Finkel. It's it basically takes a look at the exploitation that the n C double A has and it's no coincidence that the most exploited people of that system are black men. And it's so it's it's sonny of Sonny of a Caro is that he is in it. He he definitely talks about like how he regrets making the shoe deal. Arian Foster

is heavily featured in it. I think he was part of maybe even producing it, and he was basically blacklisted by the n C Double A and that's why he fell so far in the draft despite being an amazing running back in college. Yeah, I mean, college sports are a twelve billion dollar industry that only rises every year, and the most profitable sports and people that make the most profit or are providing the most profit are paid nothing.

So it really like if you are on the fence, so like I don't know, nothing is better than a free education. You have to watch this documentary. I mean, I think it's extremely relevant with what is happening in our country right now. It would be very very eye opening. It's it's devastating. They just ruined people's lives just because

they can, and it's so fucked up. But this this really like shows the people that are fighting for it, and yeah, it's a it's a really I think it's just so well done and I wish more people had seen it. I haven't seen and any of these and I'm and I'm with the concept, and I think fucking any of the big sports should just not even be in college. The best, the biggest sport in college should

be fucking lacrosse. If y'all want to add all fucking snooty like that and then ruin them like kids lives, Yeah, I mean, I mean it ends up showing that, like the highest paid person in every single state is a college football coach. Yeah, it's really which is dumb. They

were fucking they were visors around, I know, I know. Well, And then this ended up having some amount of controversy around it because in one of the clips, Arian Foster like I think confesses to letting a coach by him pizza at one point in college because he had no money, and the n C double a like got mad about that. When this video and when this film came out, and

it's like, no, you you are exploiting and robbing. Yeah, now, especially every thing we know with C t E. It's like, if you're playing college football, you are also putting your life at risk. You have to be compensated for that, and I know the Sate of California is pushing for that. I hope we're big enough and rich enough and have enough schools that we can push that through for the rest of the country. Yeah, the Reggie, but like this

happened Yester? Was it yesterday? I mean, I can't wave this is a news like, I can't weave this existed. A school disassociate so they forget that a player maybe the greatest n c A running back of all time. And the USC was just like, oh, we're gonna forget on it because because why, like what were the specific I think he did he get a house? Something like that, he deserves the house? Are you insane? His mom deserves

the house. Like the amount of money in like that that USC football team was a NFL team that was like the amount of money they were reading is insane. Yeah, it's really. They end up showing like a guy's whole career being ruined because he got too much help on a paper like they like pick and choose what they what they get angry about. And it's what's nice is a lot of these sanctions are coming down in college basketball and they're just kind of like, we don't care

about you, it seems. And I hope this is what happens, is that people will just start to ignore the n C Double A because it is a monopoly, which is illegal in our country, but some psychopaths set it up to be fine that way. It's just yeah, it's really it's basically the history of the n C Double A and then how it turned out to be evil what we see today. They're gonna make a sequel now now that like the NBA guys are going to the G

League going oversea, like LaMelo is about to be. I think he's gonna be great and to go, I mean despite LaVar, people thinking LaVar is crazy, like he took an alternative route, and I think it's going to pay off the team he played for, and then that could that could just break down the whole system or you'll you'll see it start to bring pay Yeah, yeah, alright, I'm sorry. Do you have um honorable mentions? Uh o

J made in America? And then also this, this one was on every single Greatest lista I had seen, so I watched it today and they don't do It's called Senna. It's about a Formula One driver who was like tragically killed and it is very, very beautifully shot, and I would recommend it. Oh and I forgot race car drivers are so hot, Like wow. C J. Walked in and was like he's ugly, and I'm like, he is so hot, and you are mad how hot he is in our house right now? No, he was Brazilian and he was

so fine and he never got married. And at his funeral, all these models are coming up and crying on his casket and it's like, good for you, dog, that's awesome. Okay, okay, I'm gonna make a real quick, easy simple hoop Dreams. Directed by Steve James. The story Arthur ag and William Gates, West Side of Chicago, their their journey through high school and what becomes of them. I still follow Arthur A.

G on Twitter. He travels the world given lectures and William Gates, I think I forget what happened to him. But yeah, beautiful it started. It was like it was an innovative film. Yeah, that's a great pick. Yeah, probably one probably the most famous was famous and i'd say top one of your movies. Wow, okay, great, yeah, alright, short and sweet. Any honorable mentions from you? Gunn in for that number one spot? Uh? Directed by one of

the Beastie Boys. It's about twenty four the best high school players come and play at Rucker No Ruck Rucker Park. Um and that one's great. Check that out basketball. Yeah, Kevin loves in it of and Jennings is a lot of players that you would know. All right, Okay, Jamal, you're ready to bring us home? Yes? My number one? Another new one, the Diego Maradonna doc. Yeah on HBO.

Holy fucking shit. It's it's about like his fall from grace. Okay, you kind of they throw you into like he's out of Argentina, he's left Barcelona and he blew his ankle up. And the documentary starts when he goes to Napoli, this team in Italy, the worst team in Italy and the like the the most disrespected city in the country, which is the most racist country, possibly of all the countries.

And they're uh yeah, it just follows him like taking this team from last to being the best team in Europe and how the mob basically got him hooked on cocaine and uh and he's like he's catching drug traffic. You can charge is and uh you know a couple uh couple I legitimate babies in the mix. A lot of a lot of shots to him shaking it up in the club with a silk shirt on. Uh. Man, this documentary has it all. Uh. And and they got it in droves for you. Yeah, that one kept popping up.

I mean, I'm so hard headed about I just gotta watch other sports, Watch other sports, honey. But in Maradonna is such like a recognizable name and I knew nothing about I didn't no idea that that's no, I did not know that the mob got him hooked on drugs, Like, and what was the reason for that? We're talking Naples mob. This is not this is not Gandalfeene, mom, this is like the original the birthplace of mo. Yeah, this is some Like he's really in with the mob and this joint.

It's crazy, man. And also with the mob, well you know, like I'm sure they played a role in him coming to Italy because Italy was like the biggest soccer league at the time, and as a lot of people know, pretty corrupt, a lot of mob guys got a lot of money tied up with a lot of teams out there.

So he's out there and as the team is getting bigger, like people are literally calling this dude god on the streets, like they're painting him with saints, like they got the Virgin Mary, like holding him like a baby, like yo, he was on some like beyond like bigger than Michael Jackson in Naples. In Naples. That's crazy. Yeah. I was about to say, that's like Kobe, like here in l A, you turn as a Kobe exactly damn. But then imagine like yeah, then they like turn on him. Though you know,

it goes it all goes bad. It's got, it's a it's a pretty it's long, and you gotta read subtitles, which sucks. But but to me that if you if you have to read and it's long, then it's a good documentary. Okay, that sounds I love that. Like we all walked away with a little homework too. We almost need to do a follow up episode where it's like I watched I've watched the ones that you've suggested. I'm excited. I always this is like I we gotta all keep sports docks like a in our notes of just because

they pop up all the time. And I'm like, oh my god, yeah, I want to see that. There's some real trash ones that I get. Yea, yeah, there's definitely you guys. Ever seen the U one? Of course you have them? Yeah, there's two of them. Yeah, yeah, you know. Okay, Now, let maybe I need to rewatch it and revisit it. But I swear when I watched it, I got a sort of uh inter team sex scandal vibe. I feel like some dudes in Miami were definitely having sex with each other and it was a part of the thing.

And it's like, give us that documentary, give us that take us behind. Yeah, it's some with documenties, you really like, I'm so it's not even gullible. I'm just so quick to be on whoever side, Like you could show me a documentary like put them all in jail, and then I could watch the flip side one and be like put them and like, I'm swede so easily that you

really have to look at who is behind it. The xfl one was like created, it was it was directed and epied by the Sun like Dick Evers whols Son and it's like, no, you can't make a documentary about your dad where there's cheer leaders being like, we love to fund the players. It's like, get this trash out. Yeah, conveniently when the new XFL was going to come back. I mean, that's the thing. It's like, I think we're getting better at sniffing out the purpose of these documentaries

being made. Yeah. Oh, that Firefest one was so interesting because everyone was like, I like the Hulu one better. I liked and then it was like, okay, but that one was made by one of them, was made by the Firefest guy, and so then I was like, well, I can't like that one any more. Yeah, I mean, I guess you brainwash. People could just make a documentary to make yourself look the best you can look, too, which is kind of an issue people had with the

Last Dance. It's like we're seeing what Jordan's wants us to see to some extent. I mean, although I feel like it's made him a better person in the end, like he's like, oh, eyes are back on me up. You know, he hasn't like and they talked a little shit on him. I think it was good. I think he was too occupied with retired life to really like keep control of that. Doc. Call me a little silly pie, but I would love to see him and Isaiah become friends. I think it would be sweet and fun. Two people.

I used to really dislike both of them, but it's just like, come on, guys, you're old. If Isaiah wasn't from Chicago, they'd be friends already. Yeah, yeah, okay, Yeah, that's a good point. There's saltinus on both sides. Yeah, there's saltiness on both sides. And Michael Jordan the saltiest man. Yeah there. Yeah, there's wild that there is no salty nickname. I mean, I guess that reputation is only recent, but yeah, there should be some sort of salty nickname. But all brainstorm.

I'll bring it back on the on the next episode. Jamale, you got anything to plug? I I loved your episode of Airbuds that you did with Clark Jones and Carl Tart, so I recommend that for all of our listeners. Oh yeah, yeah yeah. Airbuds pod is still firing, and Jamale Johnson dot Com I got some new stand up on their quarantine filtered stand up for you guys. Yeah, wait, quickly give the premise of your special, which I loved and

bought off Enmo. Okay, oh ship, thanks dude. It's uh, it's called Friend or Foe and uh it's basically me kind of just like a loan no no, laughs, it's just me telling jokes into a void. And you know it's do you know that through the magic of editing, because it was It's an old tape that I just had and around and we've been locked in the house for about a month and like, I'm just sitting on this fucking thing and and people have like tapes that are okay all the time, and like people add laughs.

I was like, what if I just removed him? Well, it's really good. People. Check that out. You can check out my stuff at CJ Toldonna on Twitter and I met Megan Gaily on Twitter. Jamal, thank you so much for being here with us today. And yeah, thank you guys for listening. Please rate and subscribe and and do all the people have been sending us suggestions for episodes. I love that. Keep that up. And for the record, for the record, I I have seen when We're King,

when we were Kings. Okay, it's just has been a while. I don't want to come off like I'm some sort of knob. I was just really high in my favorite part any time Joe Frasier comes. Joe Frasier, his interactions with Joe Fraser and Howard Coastal are the best. Yeah, I'm so glad that you thought on that. That is beautiful. Um, no one would have come for you. They really just come for CJ and my relationship. Work on everything. You know,

you are black excellence. Yeah, Jamale, thank you so much. Yeah, rate, listen, subscribe, be safe, be well, wear a mask if you're so inclined. CJ's phone is fucking blowing, all right. Happy birthday Mom, Happy birthday Dad. You can't even post pictures without a mask on. And I posted an old picture of me without a mask on and people came from me. Yeah, you have to be like this was pre corant cret real. There's like a lot of steps you have to go through so people are not angry with you for sure.

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