Greatest Coaches with Clark Jones

first nickname was in comedy, it stays forever. But that is specifically, we didn't have y'a didn't start on the South Side of Chicago, where a nickname was imperative to have, Like you couldn't just be your government. So many communities have terrible government names that I think that's where it started. I come Christian names, and you call them government government?

Are you the first? I just say, like you're I think of like birth certificate as your Christian or wait wait, wait, wait wait, I want your hand because I'm not saying and my eyes. I called that that's like what I heard growing up, Well, that's that's their Christian name. We grew up the exact same Christians. I was named, not my actual name is not a Christian name, nor your parents took a month of the year, took a letter off the end. What I don't understand is for you,

c J. Do you have a problem with Clyde. No, I've just I've tried it. My personality doesn't say Clyde. I think now, if if a bunch of people started calling you Clade, you fit into the moment. But you get friends to change. Right now, no one's going to start calling me. Everyone calls me Clyde. Ironically, c J. People are giving up me like this is the time of change, started a new year. Then I got to start acting like Clyde. We're Clyde, Gaily, Gaily, it's your

new name official. I guess I gotta give some context to this conversation we're having. Clark Jones, very very funny comedian. Thank you. We have all known each other more than a decade. We came up in Chicago comedy together, and now we all Clark and I, well, gosh, I guess we've all lived in Chicago, New York and l A. Yeah, we've done it. We've taken the longest path. We've done every major city that you can do comedy and uh just we keep just following each other like you somebody said,

I think it was a comedian. Julia Rozzy is like, how do you get a comedian Chicago? I mean to talk about Chicago, just ask them where they're from and it will be an hour long and the DJ and I aren't even from there, but you are though you know you were from Iowa till I did your show two months ago. Was like, oh okay, when from northern Clifform, Is that where I would have lived if you would have guessed if I somewhere near the Apple Store Second

City checking out Second City shows? One day I'll be there. I actually kind of get a fending when people are like, you're from Chicago, right, and it's like I feel like I rep Indie as hard as someone can, but it doesn't matter because the Chicago cloud just just outweighed, like on stage, it's beautiful, like, oh, that's where her life was before Chicago. It's like for you to talk about

where you were born, but you're a Chicago comedian. Yes, yes, I always say yes, I'm from Chicago when people and people say that, I'll take that. Yeah, y'all got married, man, you can do whatever you want. I'm not married, but I respect the business of marriage. Not even I don't believe in all the like fairytale ship, but like the business acumen it takes to be with two uh to come together and have a horizontal merger. I respected. We

still need a hand in the PaperWorks. Yeah, we have not signed our officiate Kara, who does not like sports and will probably never be on this podcast. And if you hear her, something went wrong, she has not signed the paperwork yet. No, no no, no, we're going to We just like keep We've seen her multiple times. I shattered a wine glass in my hand at her home on New Year's really bad cut myself, so I it was like, I'm holding my hand above my head, like I think.

I go to the emergency room and everyone's like, you're fine, and we actually fear for you to get pregnant because you're being so dramatic about that. What's your joke about it, Megan, not even like but that, I like, I shattered a wine glass in my hand, which is the injury someone gets right before they go to rehab. For me, that's like the scene in a biopic about a musician before rehab, but instead I was like, they were like, do you still want to drink? And I'm like, yes, I'm hurt now.

And in the preview, it starts with the glassdropic and then it's just like music goes out and then in the beginning how it started her bits, that's just just her jogging, like Ali, that's like us dark Rose always has an a c L injury, Like, oh, it's a c L. That'd be like Megan got another wine related injury that glasses, but I drink eight glasses. Sorry, I'm doing business over here for the podcast. I'm just I

have to put the little time around. Okay. So we wanted to have you on because you love sports, obviously you will love to argue I love I'm I'm unshakable in my opinion because I don't share them until they researched. Always I don't. I don't just say it. It's and people, even with my jokes is all based on some sort of truth because I have a horrible memory. So I just say that I already know to be true. You and c J. I think Clark and I have had

honest conversations about this. You and c J. You know you have a contentious past just based on the facts of your c J is in camp Lebron. Yeah, Clark is in camp Jorgan seriously, Yeah, but he didn't. You didn't take anything here when I started in kind that's like everything here. But I will say Lebron is one of the best coaches of all time. He's not on my list, but he's a really good coach. That's actually a very interesting point. He's one of the he's a

better coach than player. Yeah, that's true. It would say that. And GM he's maybe one of the worst gms. Um, I would say until this year. Until this year, maybe, well, but that remains to be seen. What he does with the little blond blonde hair cutie, Now, who's where's he going to shop him? It's blond and like c J told me about, he's like Kosma's hair is blonde. And

I was like who. And then when I saw it, I was like, who's don't want to be there because they're talking about and he retweeted that that that trainer who said Lebron didn't put it in the work. I thought that was spicy. Yeah, goodness, this is a little spicy. But someone who's a friend with the covers, the Lakers. I won't give up their name. You got the team. But so they were interviewing right after best friends with Wind and Horst, Oh my god. And I could remove

any journalists from journalism, it would be Brian always. I always point to him. I hope you're not listening, sir, because I do respect your work. He's always who I point to to be like, see what they let men look like on TV right right? And they heron Clayton and him just a mediocre recurring guests. And he's followed Lebron since he was a kid. He's creepy illegal do you um? I did not, And I now I've liked I've I've grown to like him in the past few years.

And I've lost a job because of him, really because I expressed that I did not like him. I was interviewing for like a sports on his job. I thought it was like a trick question. I thought they were like, okay. So it was like two thousand and they're interviewing me. Yes, he was interviewing me to be a segment producer on Sports Nation. And it was Max and Marcella's and they're like, what do you think of our host? Do you like Max, and I thought. It was like, oh, are they gonna

get rid of Max? I'm gonna say how I actually feel about it. I was like, yeah, I just don't. I don't like his minute for the show, that minute for the network, for the show for the show he was hosting for the So this man with job security you said you don't like and you didn't get the job? Did they asked you about Marcella's or just max um And they asked me separately, so they didn't. I was like, I want marcellis is shirts to be like a size bigger because he can't feel that his tie is never

properly on something. Do they make us an? I don't know. Before c J and I I think I I know I've said this publicly, so I'm not sure if it was on this, But before c J and I started dating and film love, I was like, I bet I'll wind up with Marcel. I was like, I bet I'll be with like a retired athlete who had some fun. Did you did you assume offensive or defensive? I think she was like, you know, I love alignman, you loved who's the safety for the big safety for the Colts.

C J went to high school with him that he graduated right before I went to school. He was my brother's classmate. Bob Sanders and Mike Brown to my favorite safety. Well, yeah, they're amazing, insane. Yeah, we saw him. He came to the freeee we went to the Dwight free knee Jersey

retirement where why is everyone laughing? That's the pilgrimage for me. Well, it was really sad because everyone, every Hall of Famer was, Peyton was all, Marvin reg everybody came back and the Colts had to start Brian Hoyer because Brissette was hurt and we lost the Dolphins us like some of the greatest who is who's even on the Dolphins anymore? Nobody?

Some do named Drake Kenyan Drake Nan drank fumbled and the announcer they showed him like upset about it on his eyeline and he's like, well, Kenyan, Drake appears to be in his feelings over there. Speaking of NFL, you have been doing a bunch of the NFL Fox pregame shows. Yeah, rig Yeah, how did that come to be? They just needed someone with a gap? Is that what it was?

You are supposed to be Straighthand I'm straight. Michael Strahan's dentist, who has who has no apologies about not doing anything. I'm very just like, it looks great to me. Now did you did you go to an audition and you saw other men with gaps there? This was literally a direct casting. There was no process, which it sounds like I'm humble bragging or just bragging, but no, it just worked out like that. You know, uh, some people know me was like, oh, he'd be great. I'm guessing Bennett

Webber is involved. Yeah, he's the he's the writer. Shout out to Benn Webber. Great guy. Actually, the whole team with that is really good. And it's it's just been It's like, you know, it's perfect for you that It's just one of those diskuis opened up type things. Because I used to My profile picture used to be micro straighthand smiling with this gap and then I actually have thought about closing it before. That's what people said. That's what people said, we have you have a dear friend

who closed the gap. I have several people don't even know, but like, yeah, I was in New York and I was getting booked on anything, and I was just like, I gotta I gotta change this and glad I didn't know the gap is so cool. Got Chris Rock got it closed, right, Rock got it close. Denzel Um I won't say the other comedians, but because he gave me. He was like, you got skinny, and I go, you close your gap. He goes, yeah, but I got fat. Yeah,

so you're quick with the retorts. That's good. Uh yeah, A lot a lot of if somebody has perfect teeth in the Hollywood, they had, so there's a whole Instagram account people who had celebrities way gaps and got him closed. It's a whole account. I watched Sweet Home Alabama. This was like a year ago and Reese. Reese had her o G teeth and they look I mean, they're obviously straight and like good teeth, but I was like, these look, she looks so different based on it. Yeah, it's something

about it. And esupposed to be in the comedian. It was like I would never I wouldn't really smile much. And I found out found out people like when that too smile. I didn't find this out to like two years ago, so like I would just be serious on stage and I tried to make that work for me. I tried to force that on the audience. It is funny because I think in the first few years of doing comedy you force a person that you think is supposed to but then you just get so tired of

trying these things and you become yourself. You have to reach a level of I don't give a funk anymore and you just you just write that wave. It's so it's so weird, like in the beginning your soul. I know this is a comedy podcast, but this is important. Like you're trying to every you gotta find your voice. You gotta find your voice, and you're looking at and

you're trying to force it. Now you're gonna be a super comedian, or you go through your phase and you go through your hoodie phase and you're trying to force it to figure it out. But then what will happen is it finds you and people aren't ready for that, because once it finds you, that might not be what's in vogue at the time, but it's already chosen you and you just gotta either wait that out or make it work for whenever. So genuinely you that they're like fine,

it's for that. I mean, I used to remember opening for a gy and opening for a guy and he was like, you have to stop wearing dresses on stage? What? And it really sucked and and like he was famous, and so I'm like, okay, well, and I didn't really even take it to heart. But it's like I don't. I'm not even like my wear dresses on stage, Like that's not even what it's like. Sometimes I'm sometimes I'm just like wearing whatever. I almost think it was less for me, Like I have to find who I am.

I feel like I knew too early, Like I knew who I was, but I didn't have the skill set to communicate it yet. Do you wear jeans at all? Yeah, wear jeans. Have jeans on right now, but they're not jeans jeans. There you were, you were like blue jeans, jeans, blue jeans. I can't. I can't think of a time. Yeah, wear blue jeans. Listen, I make sure they're high waisted. And I got a little bit. But that's what that's

what it is. I mean this it is like the Jordan's and when Jordan wore the band the black and Red against uniform code and then it became his thing. It's because we It's why we have everything that is in fashion in the NBA. Now, every player has their own calling card, like every comedian has their own calling card. You yeah, I imagine if we're all like following the rules of a road comedian, which was like we were a consistent comedian job until maybe like fifteen years ago.

That's why all of you were wearing such stupid hats in Chicago. I like heads. I'm talking about like those like Irish hats. You had a phase, right, I didn't had a phase where I made out with men in those So it's like, did you go through a soup phase? Like No, I hosted that fake talk show or that you know, and I wear a suit during that? What about Lincoln? Did you ever where they made us If you're hosting, the rule was you had to wear a suit because you had to rest better than the audience.

I kind of like that. That was like you were performing for a show that has an identity. But that's also assuming that you guys, and I knew you had nice suits, which you did not. I think you guys shared a suit will quiz and we just got a really big suit. Okay, Um, we're gonna take a quick break and then we will come back and get right into our rankings, and we are back and that well, yeah, well we're going to get into the premise of the show.

And this we mentioned earlier. It is perfect that you are on this show because all of our sports conversations barely can be called conversations. Their debates have I think currently we're you're in a troll phase towards you know what. It's not even intentional, and I feel like when we were younger would have been a lot more dragged out.

But something, you know, I don't go hard on you when we when we go, and I know, I also know you show some restraint, which I which I respect because I know this ship is more important than facts and that true. Is it better to be right or

to be there? Also kind of on like the same team to some extent because like you liked Jordan's you know, I mean, I'm not even I know, and this is a whole episode in itself, but I'm a I'm a Kobe guy more so only because that was the era, Like I saw the start of his career all the way through the end. I didn't see the start of Jordan's career right and the whole lebron thing. Let me just say this. Let me say these two things real quick. Two things this man Stephen A. Smith level, I just

put it to bed. One, you can't be the greatest shooting lesson from the field from free throws too. If his career, if you take away the Miami years, I would be willing to say he's the greatest of all time if he only if he only played with Cleveland and he sought that through, he stuck with that and eventually brought that side of the Cleveland without leaving, I would I would label him the greatest of all because that that that showed, That showed something amazing to to

just do that, to deliver that to your hometown. He still did it. Though he still did and I think a Soule cycle instructor would say he needed to go on that journey. But the problem is so, but you're then accounting for what he did. It Like to say, he would be the greatest if you only count in the Cleveland years. And this is like back to future

messing with the timeline things. He would not have the Cleveland squad, he wouldn't have had Kevin Love on that that championship team if he hadn't done the Big Three because you couldn't have three max S on a team in everybody is intail the greatest hand in life. You know, I'm sorry you had to go to Miami, you had to play with Dwayne Waite, you had to be on

cl Beach and then come back. But I'm just saying personally, if it was just that and he brought that, and if he didn't react like a diva to j R. Smith, I would, I would, I would call it. I agree with you there, I agree with you there. All right, Well that's it. No, because today's topic, no, that was actually I felt like you guys came to some peace and comment. All I needed to do to leave. Today's topic is greatest coach And this was hard because they

sports are different. I'm just give it. When I was like coming up with my list, the sports have changed a lot. When you also think there's I'm obviously going to have some college coaches on mine, and when you think about I think in terms of the NFL and

the NBA, those obviously have changed. But just like the recruiting and the connecting with young men and women that you have to do to change some of these college coaches spanned decades, and it's like that is when you were talking to an eighteen year old kid in the seventies and then an eight year old kid in the two thousand tents. That is a totally different It's a

whole different thing. The other thing what college coaches is like I am so against the way the in C double A handles things business wise, but the longest is like picking the greatest husband, but you don't believe in marriage. Yeah you know what I mean. Because of how that whole thing, we'll put it. We'll put a giant asterisk next true. Um c J do you want. I'm going

to just tell you what I have. I have a top three and then I have two honorable mentions that I will that I'll say right before I do my number one. I have a top three. I think this isn't one we can all agree on. It's probably the easiest one to call. Maybe not, but I think is like not on not on my not on my list, No, no, not on yours. Clark, He's not on my list, but

we love him. I just thing Popovich now he is the greatest coach, greatest person, Like he's your greatest I did out of order, but I think I almost I wanted to talk about it because or just almost get it out of way, because I thought we could agree on it. But maybe not. Maybe this is right for discussion and debate. But I mean, like every you know, coaches in the NBA especially are just so shuffled around

and fired. It's like long tenures are hard to come by, these things, and every single time a coaching position opens up, they go this guy. And he worked with pop. He's an assistant of pop, you know, in pop culture, pop culture, but everyone is. And I think the reason why people like Lebron right now it's you know, athletes now are are becoming platforms and sports pop are becoming platforms for social issues. And I think is almost in the top three.

He's paved the way. He's the best post. He uses press conferences to speak up against Trump and just like it's just everything he is an association with with Popovich is like such a He's never not been in control of his team, yes, never like where even he had Steven Jackson. Yeah, be line, like how the fun Steven Jackson. No other team could, no other person could like Stephen This is what you do is Steven Jackson. I didn't even know he could talk until he left sand Into Yeah.

But that's the thing. It's like, it's exactly what you said, this is what you do. He found these guys. You know, it didn't matter what draft pick the Spurs had. It was, Oh, this is what we need and this is what this guy does. He was the face of it. I don't know what the owner of the Spurs looks like or

sounds like. It's Pops team. Yeah. It's also interesting too because I think sometimes Belichick and Pop get compared just because of their dominant and long tenure, and and they do kind of they mess with the media, but in in different Pops always feels like it's coming from a place of love, whereas Belichicks comes from a place of I'm above you. They both seem very tired. Was like the sarcasm is based on I'm just fucking tired of being so into this game. I love. Um, that's a

great one. I'm proud of you, even though you went out of order. I want you to go no, no, you should go three and then we'll because I didn't start with the three. Yes, Oh shit, Um, I'm going to go and this is this is a very homerh pick, but whatever. My number three is Dorothy Gators, who was the coach of the Marshall uh, the Lady Marshall Commandos for like over forty years Chicago high school basketball. Yeah,

she was. She was in that too. She was the girl's coach and fucking just over forty years, all the state championships and just like just stay true to to the to the West side of Chicago for so many years. And it was just like you got all these girls playing basketball since the seventies, just like year after year putting out a quality product and not just uh, you know, Chicago high school coaches are just on the court. It's like driving people home. It's being a parent to all

these girls. And I'm not sure having any titles, she was one, but she's certainly the greatest girls high school coach of all time. And uh, I wish she had gone up high level, but she was very committed to uh to teaching girls in Chicago just how to be great. You gotta make a documentary about her. She has to have one. She has brought it up at Marshall. I mean they then they paint that picture perfect in Hoop Dreams.

It was a school that he went to when he got kicked out of and you in those kids had to live a life and basketball was just a thing they got to do. His coach was amazing to Luther A forget Luther's last name, but he'd be greatest coach. He just saying all the place go pick and roll. Uh yeah, no, that that that program is incredible. And I don't know, I don't know where y'all rank, like

high school basketball hubs Chicago's up there in New York, Indianapolis. Yeah, oh yeah, we create who we I mean, we think that we created high school basketball. Really, who's the guy Steve? Who's the legend Steve? Yes, we have mentioned him on this podcast before. Um yeah, I mean gosh, I went to the rival high school, greg Over to Mike Conley, and that was at that point that high school had already produced multiple and C double A stars. Yes, he's

from it. I think he went to Warren Central. Um. I honestly thought I was even the only person who picked a woman, And so I'm so happy my number three is Pat Summit, who I like, It's not bad? How great is it? It's really how great it is. She's my number one great. So I will take the sentimental part of it. Pat was diagnosed with early on set Alzheimer's, which is I personally think one of the

like saddest diseases. And to see that school and that program, and obviously Tennessee men's basketball has a very storied past, it just was like, oh my, everyone loves this woman so much, and she has been a parent, and she has had so many women go through that program, and they all seemed to love her and care for her

in such a deep way. She was at Tennessee for thirty eight years, eight n C Double A titles, thirty two SEC championships, on top of also elevating and getting the most out of those women as people, and I like loved watching her. I just when she would come on screen, it it really she was someone who it wasn't like, oh, she's a female coach. It was like,

this is a badass coach. She's an icon. And let me ask show, do you think it's harder to motivate knowing this is kind of the end because she was coaching before the w n B and listen, let's be honest, never really took off, it still hasn't taken all right like it should. So, like, is it easier to motivate or harder to motivate knowing that this is the apex h'all of y'all's una, you know, go coach. I bet it's both. I bet it's I bet it's easier in

the way of like give it all. Now you're not one and done, You're not going anywhere, you know, like this is it, so you can probably get more. But then it's also what is the point? Well, yeah, it's an insane almost delusional not delusional, but like an insane level of fashion. It's like like you we was gonna say about the high school coaches, what is the return

on the high school girls? But I think it's the realization if no one's gonna be if no one's gonna have this, you know, spot or like platform someone like I'm going to be the person I'm gonna who knows? Maybe, I mean I doubt she ever thought like what what could I do to elevate this and bring it into the next level? But you know, to not to know the return isn't much and also that no, and there's definitely not like respect for women is in spanning thirty.

I mean now it's like fifty years back. Well, I feel like Pat Summit and this is what I mean by the icon she even though Tennessee is is ridiculously southern and conservative, East Tennessee is like this almost liberal hub,

if you will. And I kind of feel like she might have had something to do with that where you like the most the biggest name here is a woman, and people you know, as you're being raised, you like, you know that name and you go, oh, that's what Pat something I feel like, I don't know, just her influence kind of change the politics because East Tennessee and West Tennessee in central are all just different politically. I

think that's definitely. I mean for anybody, men and women to be like, oh, there is a powerful figure and it is a woman, right, it does something. It changes the culture a little bit. Who are some of the players because she's had like the alumni on her program, Shmika Holds Claw, um my girl, Tennis Parker uh and then like those are some of the biggest names. Those are the biggest name. There would have been more. Where

does Cheryl go u c l A Cheryl Miller? I mean this is again another conversation we always talked about. I think Cheryl if there, if the NBA was w n b A existed, Yeah, she could have been a person that made it. And even more legitimate Lee because she was the Lebron She is the Michael Jordan but never got to play. She could do every everything on the court. I thought sherl Swoops was gonna do that. I thought I thought Lisa Leslie was gonna They kept,

they popularized. It's just it's just hard when everybody can't talk. And that's just the most take it to leave with his most exciting play. But in Europe it seems to do better. It's less ship in europe a sports wise, we have so many fucking sports. He an exciting play, and I guess men's basketball in Europe is is good obviously, but I bring it here. It's yeah, that's the problem with I don't know the company I work for, House

of Highlights. We are we love, we love highlights. People have don't have time in the day, and so they just go and watch. The people have time. We have won the game. I love that that Anthony Davis Derrick Rose clip from the other day. You'll put up man, which one the like fucking Derrick Rose hit this clutch three then came down and hit it. I'm like, Chicago is so fucking awesome. It's crazy. It's such a great city. Okay, so do you want to give us your number? Three? Now? No? Yeah,

my number? And you know, I'll admit that this guy is nowhere near the best. But he is maybe my fair coach of all time. And it's Tom Thibodeau. Okay, this is day you're me. But I thought Tom Thibodeaux was the most insane uh, insanely dedicated coaches. You know, I have a theory about he's not married, he has

no children. I mean, I think as a fan, that's an ideal coach because they're truly you know, he probably lived in his office, not just like, oh sometimes I slept there, he had nothing to do, but that because I think he's truly, truly obsessed with it. Yeah, and I think that that, to me is the definition of one of the best coaches. Don't the players not like him? I think they would go back after playing, you know, I think Jimmy, I think Jimmy will admit he was

one of his favorite coaches despite you know, I don't know. Yes, Tom Thibodeau one of the worst coaches to have a coach definitely one of the worst head coaches to ever be a head coach. Okay, now I don't go that far. I think he actually very worst. He is one of the world. He's a great defensive assistant coach. He's great with the Celtics as an assistant to Doc Rivers. Here's why he's a terrible head coach. He coaches like he's playing a video game and not human beings. Fucking Tom Tibodeaux.

Here's the first thing he would He played joking. No, he was playing jokeingo of forty minutes in the preseason. All right, Now, that's all good until you realize, first of all, it's eighty two games, and then when you get to the playoffs, everybody's playing hard and they're more arrested. So that's why the Bulls can't get past the Eastern Conference finals, because everybody's having for loose balls, everybody's going hard on rebounds, everybody's hustling up and down the court.

They have more energy because they wasn't playing fucking forty minutes in the preseason. Second, this motherfucker Tom Thibodeaux put lu all dang in the icy you from being overworked is from Kenya. How do you overwork somebody from Kenya? Tom fucking Tibodeau. You know, I always blame the medical staff in the organization that I have been hurt saying I I gave you know, and maybe you're making me

think a little bit more about it. But I thought the transition from Vinny del Negro to Ny Tom Thibodeau with the almost the same team, almost the worst team, and to create the system he had during those the latest person you say, he's always in the tape room, he's always watching, But your key play cannot be given to Derrick Rose and be considered one of the greatest coaches. We also have to yeah, he couldn't call offensive play to say it was like it was a formula. It was.

It was several factors that led to Derek was demise in those years. Um, But without that, I think he was one of the best coaches with that with that team he had just before the sea. We'll just move on from that. But Honey, I love you, and now I know that you wish you were an unmarried psychopath. I did. I used to love picturing Tom Tuoto coming home and be like, honey, I'm home, and then it was a ball with a wig on it. You have

to say that. My old roommate in Chicago text me went since she was they were at like a fancy restaurant and she was like, Tom Thibodeaux is here and he's with a woman and like a young boy. And she was like, it doesn't seem romantic. I don't know if it's like a sister and whatever recruiting, but she said that he was like laughing and having a good time and seemed like a lighthearted fund man, and that really made me happy. Okay, those playoffs series were great

and they were very exciting. They went seven games for like eight straight series and it's just like they were tired, man tired. But okay, yeah, okay. Richard Williams, okay, just in Compton teaching these two black girls to play tennis and like dedicated, Like what was your job, bro? Like that was his job to make them the greatest I would play the game, and he did. He was successful. What Megan, you have a face? Well, you know, I

actually so. I love Serena's documentary series and It's tricky because I can now look back on times growing up as a white girl in Indiana and say, oh, the way people spoke about certain people was racially biased, and I didn't know that as a child, and so I have to like unlearn the things that people would say about Richard Williams. And the media was part of it too, like it was like, oh, he's too over the top. The girls are like, it was very negative, and it

was clearly racially motivated. It's it's it's motivated by anything that even like this is a positive black thing. You have to dog whistle. The media has a dog whistle to let white people know we're thinking about y'all too, even though we're doing this black documentary. You have said, but also here's the problem with Richard and there at times he's a bit and that's that's not for the black people watching. That's not for the brown people, right,

that's for the white people watching. Were just like, why is this black men being covered shouting at tennis? Yeah, why are we why are we talking about this? It has to we have to because the majority. I would love if it was just an equal number of each race. So the media and pr people would just their fucking hands with well. And and so what I said was the first part of my my statement, I'm sorry. The second part I think I think a lot has come

out that that he was not a good husband. Um and and that is also true in Tiger Woods Dad's you know, like they were I'm happy he wasn't my father. Um. And I did play junior tennis and I did see Dad's that were that crazy, even crazier because it's like you're screaming in Central Indiana, like at least this man's at Wimbledon. Um. And so I always wonder and you don't see him anymore. He's not visible, and you know, you see the mom and you see the sisters, but

you do not see him. And so in the documentary, uh, they cover Serena's wedding part of it, and he was supposed to walk her down the aisle and I was like, oh, okay, that's good. They like still have a beautiful enough relationship. And then day of the wedding he called. I was like, I just can't do it, and she understood, and so I don't know if she had she was she was like, I don't want him to do anything that doesn't make

him feel like. She understood so intensely that I was like, oh, he must have some sort of social anxiety or like the characters, there's gotta be something, because day of your dad doesn't walk you down the aisle when you are a mega, mega famous person, there's a documentary crew with you that would set anybody off. And she was just like, that's my dad. I love him and he needs to do so I was like, oh, okay, I'm missing a part of the story and I gotta give their family

and him and part secular a benefit of the doubt. Yeah, he lost the daughter too. And again I'm not saying this is one of the greatest men of all time, right because I don't know if he had a coach. He just was like, I'll look it up and then I'll teach you all and that's it and you He's one of those people too that you see copycats of, and unfortunately the copycats are traumatic for their children. I

don't know. There's a golf document called The Short Game and it follows junior golfers and there's a dad on there who's like quit his job and he's he's trying to be Mr Woods he's trying to be and it's ruining their family, and he is ruining his daughter's life. And so you're like, you're it's almost like you've inspired shitty versions of yeah, because they think he's just intensity is what made them what it is. But there's also the motivation of and this is like people see this.

It's not racial, it's money. You saw this in like Tania, Like tennis is a social it's not just a physical thing. No matter how great sport. Yeah, you gotta go on the road. You gotta go to these fucking tournaments. And the people that play are usually wealthy because they have that money to just send their kids off all the time to be seen. And then you talk about sponsorships and all of that. So like this motherfucker was like trying to break the mo You're trying to change his

stor and he did. He did. He got to be crazy. You gotta be crazy with it, and you gotta be studied, and you gotta be all this other ship and you gotta they see you coming because you because your skin color and you still just like all right, we just coming and motherfuckering Serena gotta compared to share a Poba, like there's no comparison, the closest comparison to your sister.

That brings up a great point of just in general, we're seeing it more and more of players playing for their parents, like there there's been stories of like Austin Rivers, Like Austin Rivers playing for Doc like he traded away his own son. You come after doc in try to me, did you see him trying to get his dad? And that's a tick. And the thing is like he probably there was probably some emotion behind that too. I don't know. I mean, I will say this will be the last

thing I say about Richard. You see a positive trickle down from his daughters to the rest of tennis. I've been in the US and probably four or five times. This year was the most diverse. There were equal numbers of everybody there. And and Naomi's speech to like at the end of that match with Coke, I mean, it's like those women, Serena and Venus have changed tennis for the better. And he made that happen, and so we

have to give him love and respect. Okay, my number two. Gosh, so I really didn't want to have to pick Belichick, and I did it, And so when I start to because I would have I've I've picked people I don't like in the past, but I will have names in mine and then I'll go and cross reference them. This was not a name I had in mind, but every single list was like, this is the greatest NFL coach of all time? Don Hula done. But I only ever think of him as the restaurant because it was like, before,

what do you think? What do you think of hotels? Yeah? Really yeah, Renaissance in Norfolk, Virginia, and I didn't get that. Yoda run. Belichick is so far behind this man in every single way. Forty seven wins, that's an NFL record by like hundreds. Only undefeated season, Super Bowls, steakhouses, that's true. I mean the steaks are pretty delicious too, and a salmon not bit. But I do think the NFL has changed so much that like, this is why I have

him at number two. The only perfect season. Yeah, it's untouchable. It's untouchable, only perfect season. It was Marina on that team. No, it was seventy two, so it was before because Marina was on a Marina and everyone is super Bowl and miss the undefeated team did when how many teams did he coach for? Why are you asking me all these research? May I think again, it speaks to how good of

a coach you are? The least amount of tam every year. Well, it was also different back then, though, you would stay somewhere. I mean, I think the longest tenured coach right now is Mike tom or Belichick and Tomlin. You leave after there was only seven teams. Back then, people people like every single thing was like he's the He's the greatest.

There isn't there's no there's no one. Even if Belichick coaches till the day he dies, he's not going to catch him and wins like he holds these records that will never be broken. And I love East Ventura, Yes, so I love it. Is funny thinking about the greatest coach because they have like a steakhouse, because yes, Belichick will never have a steakhouse now, he's like none of

these guys. I'm But then seeing Nick Saban in an a flat commercial is one of the funniest things I've ever experienced, Just the fact that Debo Sweeney is a thing kind of like like you don't have a name for it, no, no, but I was saying, if your name is debowhere he has a he has a Burger chilies or some shi yeah dog a Confederate flag. Um, but yeah, I just I wanted an NFL coach. I did not want it to be Belichick obviously. Um. I love Tony Dungee. Sometimes he says things that are insane

post post career, a little problematic. I like coach Tony Dungee. Sometimes commentator to Tony Dungee. I'm like, why wait, wait, wait wait wait wait did I'll see the Bill versus Bill? Um, No, I really want to watch it. It's it's it's actually it kind of humanizes Belichick a little bit. I'm not I'm not anti him. I actually I think he is one of the greatest coaches of all time. I really do. I just so wait, we did your one. You know,

let's take we'll take a little break. We're gonna take a short break, and then we'll come back with CJ's number three. I'm sure it's going to be Fred front Stone and then am I number one? I don't know, bam bam. I think, all right, we're back. Um, we're gonna go my pick. And now I'm like insecure about it, but it's it's um, you know. And I want to preface it by saying I do not like him now.

I think he's just you know, old man now, and this kind of how I feel about Jordan's But Phil Jackson, Phil Jackson, I think, you know, maybe he just got lucky for the players he coached. But he did it. He did it with a couple of these guys. He's a great, incredible coach, bigger than well, I'll let you finish. Yeah, I mean I was just gonna, you know, read off his his accomplishments. I mean, eleven NBA titles, um, and

the way yeah, six and five. And I think to do it like that, like people are questioning Steve curs ability because he's had one of the greatest teams just by players, and now he doesn't have him in losing seasons, but now he has no one. I think next year they'll be back. Oh yeah, it's the number one pick and the Twins back here. It's gonna be insane. But

for me, I thought that was gonna kill it. I don't even know if I'm allowed saying, look like tomorrow, but six five, I would just like it to be knowne CD and I did not say that, Um, but I was gonna mention just the Zen approach. I mean, I've read his books. Some of it's crazy, just like again, it's part of what he's see now now. But to also to they lost when Jordan came back and they lost in that season, I thought, you know, as a kid,

I was like, maybe they're gonna be done. And then they added Rodman, a guy who they couldn't figure out. And I'm sure we're going to see a lot in that ten part documentary that's gonna kill Megan, but they just had They did that. That second run Bowls team had a little bit of an they were some of them were outcasts and they needed to be figured out. And I think the Zen like approach helped that. I think the Shack and Kobe years could have with any

other coach could have only gone a few years. He figured out, Kobe passed Shack leaving and put in coach some great teams. I just think he's one of the greatest coaches. Don't interview him anymore. He shouldn't be brought into an organization or what do you did with the Knicks and um, but he wasn't coaching there. I just so I hope he was ruining. He's not on my list because I do think the past few years have

like churnished him a little bit. I do think long term his legacy will be intact, though, because we will look back on whatever has happened with the Knicks over the last got too long ten fifteen years and be like that is an ownership problem and anything else that happened around there. Carmelo, you're off like everybody everyone else. I'm like, you're fine. I'm not mad at you. I am conflicted with Phil Jackson for for a couple of reasons. Number one, I think text Winter is one of the greatest.

He created the triangle offense for two organizations, and it's like he got Jordan to buy in to something that was in Jordan's idea, which is which is crazy Jordan listening to somebody else. But Phil also got Jordan to

pass is like make the right play. Also, I don't know, there's only one difficult decision where I feel like Phil like had to coach, and that was when Pipping and cou coach were like fighting to see who's gonna take the last shot and Coo coach made the shot to his credit, So yeah, you gotta give Phil a lot of I give him. The only thing is just like text one is such a crucial part to his success.

But other than that, I agree with you, you know, yeah, I mean it's it's like if you put in the show business terms, it's like when a movie is Oscar nominated, who you're giving credits the director, the actor, the writer, Like you know, if it's the Oscars, the EP goes up and I'm like, yeah he again, so he And you know, in those last two years, maybe he wouldn't have been up for that Lakers team was there for

him to just you know, they weren't. He was never talked to out for a bad team that needed to be pulled out of Nobody had to man He was like the original managing style. Also with that, I'm glad you brought it up. Check with the right mentor or whatever should be the greatest basketball play of all time. I don't know how he didn't work out in the offseason, didn't play. You just said if you shoot less from free throws to you, and then we wouldn't have gotten

those great taco bell commercials. That's true. And then he's also uh the general current where he is the worst post party. He's definitely going to be on our greatest transition into a different career. Oh my god, so much money. Magic got to be up there. I mean Magic can be the greatest man a lot. I know he coached his way out of HfV man. He let's put them on the list honorably. Okay, so we know your number one. Do you have any honorable mentions before you get to Oh? Um,

Eddie Robbins, longtime HBC Granble State. He coached Doug Williams for his black quarterback to win a Super Bowl. He's up there. Custom motto John Wooden get an honorable mention? Um? I mean Eddie Robinson's wife was on Real Housewives at Potoma. She's beautiful. No, not him. How did the custom motto story? Is? I love that you picked that? I didn't even think of these, Like these coaches have to work one on one with a guy, one on one with Mike Tyson,

eight York, straight out, straight out of Brownsville. He missed one educational thing to teach him. Well yeah, well, well I blame I blame society launching a kid from Brooklyn that fast he took him in. I mean, you know the reason he wasn't all my top three is just like you see Mike Tyson, You like, Okay, this is a fucking this is money. You know what I mean, It's gonna come back. We were talking about him last night and night. Come on, Mike. You have your issues

with Mike almost Yeah, it's wild how he's become. I don't think he should be allowed to be a like funny guy. I think if you go to prison for rape, funny guy time over this could this could get this could get contentious. Well here's the thing with Mike, and this isn't This is just me laying out facts. This is not me saying or excusing anything. He was on a lot of cocaine, man, like a lot of it,

and he was He's a he shouldn't have been. Anybody who's had to deal with Darren King, I feel like, wherever you are, you're gonna go down ten levels because that's not someone who will call a role model. I would almost prefer you to be like his brain was battered to death. I'm just I was like, I mean, but cocaine, when you got five hundred MILLI in a bank and you could just go to Thailand. But then

just go to Thailand. That ain't enough. I mean, this is why we're in this blame a lot of like we didn't need a cast and like Hollywood didn't didn't need to make them the cameo for the two thousands, like you know, didn't need to be putting that bank account to worry money in that ban account. Motherfucker could make a find a way to make some money on somebody, they won't do it, regardless of their past. If if and then we the people like we didn't say yeah,

I mean I'm a child, a little Asian kid. I was like this guy's he's my favorite video game. It's I mean, I'm a woman. So that's obviously part of it. It also occurred in Indianapolis, and it was like a very very I don't fucking know. It was at this hotel that's no longer opened, the Canterbury, and it was the first um Mitzvah I ever went to was at the Canterbury. It was a it was a miss universe for he was a judge at a at a bikini contest and I remember like I got my I got

for the first time to this is so sad. I don't know why. If I'm doing that, I'll tell a different story once I gave I gave a guy my idea at a liquor store and he goes Indie and this is out here, and he goes Indiana and I go, yeah, he goes Mike Tyson and like the craziest I go rape someone there and he's like, m Again, we're not saying these are the greatest man of all time customerdel Okay, Now let's transition to oh my great well, Patty Yeah, Patty Summon is my number one coach forever. She and

I feel I'm just a lad. I'm so I can freely root for her and be her be the number one. The gate is pat Summit. Richard Williams. That's a that's a beautiful list. That's a very like impressive you did research. That's a very clerks. Remember, I didn't think in the history of the Philippine watching, I was like, Clark is going to be considered more Filipino than me. In my show that I run in a Filipino restaurant, I compared Philip the Filipino Army to Lebron James at his show.

That's that was that's start out with the premise, and I was like, I want to see how you sufficiently and I was like, oh, yep, no arguments there. But there are people sometimes doing jokes that are just history lessons and you're like, we've all read a book. We don't we didn't pay attention. Then we're ordering other food now, like we're not. I tried to make it as funny. It was funny to me. I hope some people enjoyed

it funny. Um, is it my turn? Okay, I have two honorable mentions before I get into my number one coach K And I don't even say that just from a college standpoint. I obviously think he's an incredible recruiter. I actually think that that's probably like what he does best because he clearly always hasn't readible incredible talent. Not being able to win last year Alright, you're kind of like, okay, um, but the Olympics like that man, he can. He just

is good. He's an amazing coach. I think this guy gets overlooked. And I am a college basketball fan to some extent, and this would be someone I would never want to play against in March Madness. I think he is the greatest March Madness coach of all time. Tom iszo man. You could give him five me and he's like the final four. All right, we'll switch some things

around here. And and the team, I mean, obviously Michigan State is really good this year, but sometimes they are going into the tournament asked backwards and he turns them around, like you do not want to face Michigan State. Of a friend who played for him says he's amazing. I used to like as a kid, I couldn't stand up because he seems like a psycho. But like the reports, I get wonderful man, a true father figure, and I think it gets props champion of any sport. And in

time is he did ye fun name too? And he beat Coach Ka. I know that's like, that's why Coach K will go down in the record books. But I actually think Coach K is better at other things than coaching. Real quick, what sure? What's the best duke team that Coach K is head with? Like with like group? I mean I remember going there. I saw one of the teams in person, and like oh three and they were pretty into Eton and uh from Chicago. Corey mcgetty was

on those teams. Yeah, mcgetti. Mcgetti played for Coach k Is. Also the better version. He came from Bobby Knight, and I do not I do not love Bobby Knight. I don't. I don't like him. And I think Coach k Is is better. Bobby Knight. Yeah, I think it was better. Bobby Night was the best. I went to the Nike campus and they just finished the fitness facility where all the employees and Nike on the campus. They built a state of the art state It's huge. It could pass

off as any service stadium in the country. It's called the Coach k Building and it's like Nike named a building off of this. This white Steve Korrell looking young. Yeah that good. Just this military expect whatever guy. And I think he loves his family a lot. It's good. No controversie. I hope there's my number one. It's going way back, and I guess it's a Homer pick because he's from Indiana. He went to Purdue pen n C Double A Titles College Basketball Hall of Fame, Basketball Hall

of Fame John Wooden. I love this old cutie picture. The guy I know but I just and I keep making this speech about how it's so different recruiting, and he obviously was in a totally different time, but they just like love him. And I remember going to Wooden opens and Wooden Classics when I was growing up, and he just seems like there was always this area of positivity around him while also winning. And they say he wanted the best out of everybody and he's just so cute.

I love him, and he gave and somebody in the comments on this correct me on this, but I feel like he gave Kareem a personality like Kareem abdul Jabbar, like wasn't all zen pizza. And John Wooden kind of guided him that to finesse the game more because his motherfucker's seven to banging on little white dude all the time. He's like, you know, I know you want to dunk and all of that, but you you'll have a longer

career with the finesse game that's created. To know that back then, because I feel it was all xs and os, and to this day, there are still coaches like I don't care what you do off the court ball blah, I don't care what your personality is you give a player to see how Kareem has turned out, just like and then that was all his book authors talker, Yeah, doing sketches put in there. Um yeah, I just That's what I'm saying. It was very, very hard when you

go to like look at that. There's so many lists that have Bobby Knight and I'm like, oh my god, I grew up watching that man, and I just can't. I can't do it. The lambos, the lumbar, there's Madden is up there, and like Madden, you look at sort of a full life. I think, like he was obviously a great coach, but it's like, what a cool guy. There's a really good thirty for thirty podcast about kind of his life in the Rise of Adam Um, and

he's awesome. But when I was researching John Wooden because I knew it was from Indiana, but I didn't know where he's from, a town called Hall, Indiana, and so I looked it up. It does not exist. That's what did it become. Just the thing is they just discontinued it like it's nothing else. The mail the postal service closed in nineteen eighty four and it just ceased to exist. It's just like a red town, just like nobody there.

Because when you could see it on the map and I'm like, that's like thirty minutes from where I'm from, Like it wasn't far away, and it just doesn't exist. So that's where he's just from a town that doesn't exist. Who were your honorable mentions? But I was thinking of pat Riley when I was saying Phil. I was like, Pat, I feel like almost is just like he's still Yeah, he transcends coach. I mean there were times where I feel like Spoilster is so good because Pat is doing

a little bit of coaching in the back seat. Maybe not so much now, but like especially during those big three years, he could have fired Spoilster and just coached himself. But like to handle that situation when they did lose that experiment, they thought that some people were like, oh, I don't think this Heat team is for real. Actually lost the map that oh six team. I don't him to see Dwyane Wade. I didn't see Dwyane Wade being when he began that's incredible. I do have an honorable

mention for worst coach of all time? Okay, Jerry Jones, Jerry Jones is easily. He's he's I mean, he continues to uh impress us with his not his awful takes on things. So I guess, good luck Mike McCarthy. We're all pulling from McCarthy yesterday or now this will Yeah, he's there, he's he is officially head coach of the Cowboys. That almost doesn't that seem like almost a wild choice to like give it to somebody who I think he'll

speak up against Jerry Jones. I think Jerry is hoping that he will not speak He he maybe a little bit contentious. I think he's They're definitely gonna beat the Packers when they play, Like if he does nothing else, he's gonna beat Aaron Rodgers. Uh. But I don't I don't. I don't know it'll be different to team without a Hall of Fame quarterback, Like how does that going to work? One of one of the funny, funniest coach Gruden. Gruden

is hilarious. I don't know if he's a coach. He just might be a dude who's just like I don't mean no, he's a coach, Yeah, but he's just obsessed with quarterbacks a little too much and Frank Kelly and Ye, herm Lewis is a great He's a very funny one. I think her words. I think it's sherm Lewis her words, I think is Romeo Cornell. I don't know if he's funny. He makes me laugh. He's almost too cute. Larry Brown is another one that I didn't leave love him. Worst

coach ever is commons acting coach. But that's why he has to play common and everything coming that's crazy, like what what do you? What do you? Every role is a slam comments, a player for the New Jersey Nets. Get the funk out of here. And he didn't love with Queen Latifa. Shut up. I don't of this. Do we have any partying words? Um yeah, Clark plug plug what you got going on? You got a bunch of stuff going you know when this is? This will be out in a few weeks. Oh ship, we just follow me.

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