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GLD 399 - Breaking Up Is Hard To Do

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Is there a better way to go about breaking up? "Path to Passion" host Yael Lanciano returns to The Debate Team to break down a disheartening batch of listener breakup stories - the ones with no guts, the ones who wouldn't take no, the ones who came out of left field, the ones who handled it the best, and much, much more!

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This is Pod Populi Podcast for the People. The Great Love Debate. It's the Great Love Debate, the Great Love Debate. It's the Great Love Toba. Hi again, everyone's Brian how We welcome to the Great Love Debate, the world's number one dating and relationship podcasts. It's twenty fifteen. I am here in the brand new, fancy evolved studio of pod Populi Podcast for the People. I'm at the one in Scottsdale, Arizona. This one oh Man Pod Popula two point oh here in Oldtown. UM. I'm very excited about

this episode. I'll bring in my co host for this episode in a second. Um. As I told you last week, I wanted to talk about breakups, and not because I have some sense of the maccab or whatever. And I wasn't interested in why you guys broke up because that has a lot of nuances. You can break up a million different ways, for a million different reasons, over a million different things. I don't want to get in.

I wanted to get into the how. I want to know how people are handling breakups, and so I asked you guys to send out an APB at all points break up for you guys to send me how you broke up, whether you were the broke up or or you were the broke up e. I wanted to find out how, and I wanted to pick some different

ones and be like, oh God. And so you guys sent some weird ones, you sent some funny ones, you sent some sad ones, crazy ones, and so we picked a half dozen here and we're gonna run through them, and we're gonna give you a few thoughts on if that was handled correctly or why you think they do that or whatever. So I brought in I don't think know if she's an expert on breaking up. She's been on this podcast twice before, three times before, I think three times, three

times a lady. She's the host of Path the Passion. She's a voiceover artist and a singer. She might sing a little bit. So we're talking about breakups today because breaking up is hard to do. Well, I don't know if it's hard to do, so we're going to get into it. I mean, it should be hard to do, even if you went out for a short period of time with people, it should be hard to do. You should thoughts on this, feel some angst about it? Are you

a good breaker upper. Have you dumped a lot of dudes in your life? Um? Is there a just a pile of Yayle Lancier, I say your name, Yayle, welcome back. Yeah, thank you, thank you for having me. Um, you know there is not a big pile of broken up yeah, al Lancian or dudes, but lancian xes. Yeah, exactly. No. I think a lot of my breakups have been mutual. Um or it just kind of felt like your ran its course. Yeah, yeah, it just kind of ran its course. And then in those cases,

the breakups, you know, are not that hard. However, I have had my heart broken, and I have broken my hearts, and you have broken hearts. Yeah. Are you aware when you are breaking the heart that you're doing it? Yes? Are you aware before you break up that you're probably going to break a heart? Yes? Does that affect the how? Yes, So if you think you're going to break a heart, do you like send a carrier pigeon on the fridge? No? No, it affects the how in terms of like the delivery, you know, Yeah,

you know, and you're just more sensitive to the whole thing. And it's also just a lot harder. Yeah, I know, going and and then you hope they move on quickly to somebody else so you don't feel so guilty, I know. And then it's the worst when you live together, and then you have to figure that whole thing out. And we'll get into that second. Yeah, that's what I mean. Divorce people you've never been married.

No, the day's not over though I've never been married. That's got to be like, okay, now do who calls the lawyer and the paperwork the day somebody moves out? There's in those cases break it out. That sounds so adult. We've talked about on this podcast before how a lot of boyfriends and girlfriends break up and get back together all the time, but husbands and wives that rarely happens. Once you bring attorneys into things, Yeah, but it does happen. It does happen, Yeah, it does, all

right. So you guys great love listeners. You sent them a lot of emails, some of you of our Facebook on our Instagram actually, and we got a lot because I only asked for these like a week or two ago. And you guys all had some good ones and sometimes you were the breaker upper and sometimes you were the breaker up. So we have a half dozen of them here, and we are going to break them down and give our thoughts on this. You're ready, ready, Okay. The first one is

from Lisa in New York. We flew to Paris for his fortieth birthday. All my friends said that this was the opportunity he was going to take to propose. We always spoked about it and talked about how Paris would be a fun place to get engaged. Long story short, we were there a week. He got weirder by the day, and on the way home he just looks at me in first class and says, I don't think I can see you anymore. And that was that. Somewhere over Greenland, he just said

that. Then he didn't say another word. Why not do it before the trip? Did I do something on the trip? I'll never know. I drank fourteen glasses of champagne And that was that. He stuck me in a cab and it was the end. WHOA, that's gotta be. We're going from oh my god, we're gonna get engaged to that doesn't happen already disappointment to I'm out. I wish we knew how long we were together for. Well, if she thought they had alreadys talked about it. So he hit

forty maybe and had a midlife crisis. I mean, or maybe he just saw a lot of hot girls in Paris. I mean, could that be it? But then you figure his mood would be I don't know. Then that's weird, Like why do it on the plane? I feel, Lisa, I'm not judging. Did you do something? Did you pressure him like thinking the break? Did you make him feel like he was disappointing you on this trip to Paris for his birthday? First of all, a couple of

things. I don't know why you would think Paris for his birthday because I think going he didn't go like on a trip to Vegas for his fortith birthday with the Fellas. He chose to take you to Paris for his fortieth birthday, which is good. Why would you think though his fortieth birthday was a chance for him to propose to you? That's that seems weird. I don't

think that seems that weird. But you know what, I just had a thought, Okay, what if he was going to propose and then all the feelings that came up when he was about to propose, Like, we're not good, and then he realized like, oh crap, I don't want to marry this person. And then yeah, and then on the way home he broke up with her. In that case, sort of props to that, because a lot of times the reverse of that, he does ask a woman who's like, oh my god, I want to marry him, They say

yes anyway, and then four years later they're they're getting out. Yeah, why of all the places to break up, why not wait till you land? Yeah? Like, why do it in first? Burning inside? Another word? Do we hold Lisa A? I mean, Lisa, I appreciate because you are a listener, because you're the one who wrote this in so I don't want to offend you. Um, why not do it before the trip? I think? I think Yea's um theory is probably good. Did

I do something on the trip? Maybe subconsciously you felt pressure and he felt boxed in and he just snapped somewhere over Greenland. Totally I could see that. That sucks. He stuck me in a cab and it was the end. At least you had the champagne and at least you got I hope he paid for the cab. I mean, just stuck you like, and that's how do you I want? Was there a conversation after the worst part about this whole thing is her friends were probably be like, oh my god,

did he do it? And like when she got at home and she has to explain, and then she probably had fourteen bottles of champagne instead of glasses. That sucks. I kind of. I don't think he was just a dick. I think something happened. Yeah, I agree, definitely, there was a moment of realization for him. Not good. All right, Sorry, Lisa, Sorry Lisa, all right? The next one from oh my god, Jonathan from just outside Chicago. Okay, My girlfriend was the absolute

worst about checking email. She said email was impersonal. She would always text or messenger or instat or just about any other means of communication. She used to get in trouble at work all the time because she would go weeks without checking her email. She didn't have it set up on her phone. I used to get it get on her case all the time about it. She isn't nineteen, she's thirty one. Anyway, you can guess where this is

going. I opened my email and there it is from her, neatly type perfect punctuation with a CC to herself, John, I am seeing somebody else. This was the best way to tell you love you, Maya. And that was that kind of a fuck you on top of the fuck you. Oh my god, oh no. As soon as it started saying how much she didn't like email, out was like, I know this is going.

Oh man, that is talk about Yeah, why like she's seeing somebody else, but why she takes the time at this time The CC to herself like, yeah, that's weird, right, just a reminder you wanted I just wanted on my records. Maybe okay, I never want to defend the dumper because you know, but maybe it was maybe you got on her case so much about the email and the new guy they snapchat each other and he doesn't give a shit about email that She's just like, you want the truth,

John Jonathan from out to Chicago, fuck off, here's your email. No, No, you're nice though. That's a nice thought. I I think that he said that. She always said how impersonal email was, and so to her, I think that was the most impersonal, like distanced way she could do it, that she would feel the least shitty about doing it. That's probably it. Yeah, it was too. The other ones were too close for her. So basically, she's just a giant pussy. Can I

say that on here? Yeah, you can say pussy. I think you're right. She didn't need to send me. I'm seeing somebody else. Does he want to know that? Like, well, that's part of the truth. Yeah, so she was honest. This is impersonal. Here's a little fact about it. Yeah, we're done here. Correct. Oh man, I don't know about that. Have you ever been dumped in an email? No? Have you? Yes? Oh my god. Sylvester Stallone very famously his wife who I believe he's still married to. He dumped her via FEDEXX

together and still together like twenty five years later. But it was like a weird It was like a story back in the day, and I actually heard the story firsthand. So Janice Dickinson like tricked him and said she was pregnant his baby. So he had to get out of this thing. He panicked, he said, a FedEx. It was a whole legal fuck up by stallone. Google at Google stallone, FedEx, you have an obsession with FedEx? I have an obsession with FedEx? Was I mean I want to drive?

No? I just remember you researching FedEx one day, and like you were, just I was wondering their business model because very few packages are sent overnight. The answer to that the FedEx is the letters got replaced by the boxes to people ordering shit online, so it's shittier for the driver. The driver used to walk around like with a nice envelope and it was really easy. Okay, the little FedEx pack Those were easy to carry around. Now

they're lugging around toys. Yeah yeah, anyway, sidebar, so he said. Jonathan said kind of a fuck you on top of the fuck you, honestly, Jonathan, Yeah, but you're probably better off with I think I think you got an email in twenty twenty three, like you are an adult. People do communicate that way. Sorry, yeah, sorry Jay, all right. The next one is from sorry buddy Nicole, and she sent this via our Facebook page. Me and my ex used to fight constantly about everything,

yelling, doors, slamming, weeks without talking. I never thought we would be together forever, but we never quite totally broke up. Anyway, We went out one night, had a nice dinner, seemed fine, We went home, had amazing sex. We were lying there in bed and he says, should we just end it on a high note, no hard feelings. And I thought, you know what, yes, this is perfect, no fighting, no tears, Let's let this be the end of our road. We went to sleep, I woked up, packed my stuff and moved

on with my life. Bad relationship with the best breakup ever. Awesome kind of good, right, Yeah, I was smiling that whole time. Yeah, it was like, if you know you're gonna get out, pick the best moment and rather than cling to the best moment, yeah, thank you

everybody, good night. Yeah. I think it's awesome that she agreed because it instead of just being like no, because you know, usually in that high moment, like you said, you want to cling on and you imagine close to this precipice a few times and then it turned into a fight or whatever. It was like we're good here. I like this, No, I love that. Yeah, that was good. Must have been a good dinner. So they both kind of knew deep down like it wasn't gonna go

forever, good for him? Should we just end it on a high note, no hard feelings. And she didn't say what do you mean, like new yeah, and she was like, yeah, that's a great idea those years and yelling, slamming. They they met at this moment and they high fived and hit the road. Yeah, I don't know. I'm strangely like turned on. Good for you, Nicole, and good for him, good for all of it. Good job, all right, we have more on this. Um, we're dealing with the breakups. Oh breaking up this huh

to do? But I gotta take a quick break to pay for things like breakups around here. But we will be back right after this. We are back. Me and Lady Lanciano are diving into the how instead of the why of the breakups. The next one is from and this is what he called himself. So this is how he signed his letter, the asshole from Maryland. Okay, I'm not sure this is a breakup story as much as a impossible to break up story. I wasn't even dating this girl for very long.

I said I didn't want to see her anymore, and she kept saying she understood. She just needed to pick up some things in my apartment, so she would come over. We would talk for an hour, she said she understood, and she would call three days later saying she forgot something else at my house and needed to come over again, over and over. She would do this. I can't I can't imagine she would have that much stuff at my place. She was either planting stuff all along or bring new stuff

each trip. I don't know. This went on for sevens straight weeks. Finally my lease was up and I moved out and deleted her info. Maybe the next tenant is dating her. Who knows. So you talk about one of the most awkward things that it's popped up. But there are people who do this like I gotta come back one more time. The awkward you brought it up earlier is the you break up and then you're like it could be anything from like furniture to own my favorite sweatshirts over your house? Can I

get the box of stuff? Sometimes people just leave it. I always tell people like, you're done, you lose whatever, whatever is there, you lose, You're done. No, what do you mean? No, No, that's it, You're out. No possessions. It's done. It's tainted. It was in the older. What do you say? Everything? What do you want to do? Go? Get everything? Get everything? And then I get hairbrush? No, but maybe there's other stuff like what like

my favorite sweater or some or a pair of earrings. I always leave earrings and it's not on purpose. By the way, I think that you lose. I think that's it. No, I totally disn't word becau Does it matter who dumped say she dumped him? Okay, he could be like fuck you? Is he a dick for throwing shit out? Um? Yeah yeah he is. Yeah. Wait so and that's like, where do you stand on giving on giving the giving the ring back? You gotta give the ringback, you do. Yeah, it's a gift. It's a gift for if

you're going to get married. Okay. So if you say I want to marry you and you give the ringback, okay, how about you don't give it. You don't have to give the ringback if the person who gave it to you is like totally loaded, okay, then it's fine. There's the So if I if I dump you, I think you have the right to come get your stuff. If you dump me your favorite sweaters in the dumpster, like, I have no obligation to pack up your shit in a nice

kneatbox. Somebody's angry. Hey, I'm seeing Joe now, can I just come over and clean the drawers? Out. I would be like, fuck off. I think you lou, I think that's it. I think that's severance. Okay, well we can agree to disagree on this one, okay. Max One Lila Lila Lila, La La, Lila Lila via our Facebook page. I dated this guy for eighteen months. He was Jewish, I am sort of nothing. He has forty eight never been married. I am

thirty seven, divorced. Once thought we were good. One day his mother calls me and says, sorry that Ken didn't have the guts to tell you, but I will. He is not marrying a non Jewish divorce and there is no point in him dating one. You won't be seeing him again. I thought it was a joke. I called him, left a message like what the fuck? He text me back one word sorry. Called him a dozen times after that because I needed a little more than a sorry and a

call from a mother. Never got anymore. The end. Oh my gosh, that stain. Now you are of Israeli descent, yeah, to say, yeah, I was raised Jewish. There's a lot of pressure too, Yeah, within the tribe. I think a lot of times the guy, especially does not want to admit that they get into these relationships. They're feeling like you can't marry her, you can't marry her, and they don't know how to either tell themselves that or tell her that. So mom stepped in.

That is so sad. It's so sad. And yeah, a divorced, non Jewish divorce. That's like, who cares that she's divorced? Like that shouldn't even matter. I think she was just adding that to the non Jewish thing. It's the non Jewish thing, I think that was. And so he just said, sorry, how are you familiar with this? Because I am familiar with similar things like this where they just shut it down. He didn't have the balls, I know, because he probably thought it was

like ridiculous, and he probably loves her. He knew the mother was going to make this call. Yeah, oh you think I think you don't knew it? I will. It was a conversation. I think he knew. He may have even been sitting there. What do you think you do it? They're just sitting there, Yeah, Mom, you have to call. I'm not going to tell her. You tell her he's forty what is he's forty eight? I know, so his mother has to be seventy something at

least I'm sorry. I got a call a jew He's not marrying you down. You got to find somebody else, got a nice girl down? What happened to the nice birn of dead down? This? Um? That sucks? But he and he didn't. He didn't just just be he said. He just said sorry, Like I think Lilah, Lila, Lila. I think he got off easy. Um. He could have married you and then

you just felt hated by everybody around and he resent and there's pressure. You don't want to get in a situation like that if he doesn't have the balls to step up. I was just gonna tell his family, like listen, I love her and this is it and you're gonna have to learn this. We run in to this scenario with a lot of cultures. Indian culture is very strict about They still give a ton of family pressure. So does Jewish

but so does you know. If he doesn't have the ball to even just tell you himself, then you should be glad that you're not with him. Here did he say during he dated this guy for eighteen months, So at any time during the eighteen months, is like he must have brought it up. No, like hey or is he just wanted to date her and the mothers it's time for you to settle down with a nice Jewish But just the fact that he can't talk about hard things like that's an issue. Yeah,

I know, so she so congratulation. Forty eight, never been married, might not have wanted to marry the Jewish girls and then knew that he couldn't marry the non Jewish girls, So that might have been a you know, it's not a judgment for those of us who are forty eight, never been married. But if you gotta know why, you gotta have an answer. His answers can't just be like have him met the right one, because clearly he needed one that was a jew Wish one and a mom. It's weird

they had I want to know if they'd ever met the mother. Clearly she's close to him, Lila. Have you had you ever met the mother? Like, had you ever been introduced? I kind of want to know that. And what did he tell the mother? I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if they had met, And maybe that's gave her even more ammunition and like fire to be like Mary and not that one. What kind of name is Lila? We're just assuming. She definitely that sucks, but I think

you're fine. Yeah, that's a weird one. A forty eight year old guy has his mother dump you. That's fucked up. Sorry about that. Yeah, sorry, lie all right. Next one Emily from Colorado Springs. So he says he has to go away for a business trip. It was weird because he was a local meat distributor, never one time in three years had a business trip. He packs two suitcases for what was supposed to be two days in Saint Louis. He said he needed a second suitcase in case

he had to bring back supplies. Anyway. I never heard from him again, called his family, called his friends one time. Four months later, he liked one of my social media posts, so I know he wasn't dead, not even like a heart or a comment, just alike, two years out the window, without a second thought, just a second suitcase. That is so bizarre. That's so bizarre. I've never heard of anything like that before. That's so fucked up. She clearly had questions. The behavior was

weird even before. Do we assume he went away. It doesn't sound like he was going away on like some romantic trip, because he wouldn't have brought two suitcase. He's just like I'm He's like, I'm going out. I'm getting out of this life and starting a new one. Liking the social media post was his way of setting up a flare like I miss you four months later like maybe I fuck? What is that guilt? Guilt? Or okay? Making sure she's okay? What is that that's the guilt? Have you

had somebody do that? If you had an X been like, no, never commented on a post. No. But I'm not a big like social media person, So why would you feel about that? If they like liked a song, would you be like, oh my god, they still think about me? Um, I would be confused, and then I would be yeah, and then I would probably just analyze the crap out of it and then come down to yeah, either that is the weird thing. She said, like I knew he wasn't dead. That's your first thought. It's like

what happened? And you're probably frantically calling around, right, I mean somebody who leaves and you don't want to hear from them. You've been in three years? That three years in a relationship that somebody who was on this podcast a couple of years ago. I'll say her name is Jenny. She had that happened. She was dating somebody for like seven eight years, flat out ghost whoa And she knew people who knew him and they're like, yeah, no, he's fine. Just never like tried for a month hard. I

was going to say, did she tried a month? And that's why I want to Emily from College Springs. I want to know she said called his family, called his friends. Clearly she must have called him a thousand times just tuning that out. Can you imagine that level of that takes balls not a good way. Yeah, but just like la la la, I'm gonna just ignore you, yeah, for three years. But it doesn't sound like he like ran away with another woman. He's just like I'm out. I

mean that it sounds didn't he have to come back to his job? Maybe he did. Did she go down to the local meat point? Did she say like, like, at some point you kind of have to confront them, right, you know? I just I would that be we talk about how you're like you're never gonna get closure on the show, we talked about that all the time. Something like that. I would want to be like,

what the fuck all of these A little bit. I want to be like, what the I would want a little bit more then, but I don't know what I'm gonna get, right, we get this's gonna make me feel better. Well, so far, I've been thinking like, of course I would want closure on all of these two but so far it sounds like everybody has dodged a bullet. Yeah, if somebody does this, like you

wasted three years or you know, wasted is probably the wrong word. You got something out of it, and good you could have been all of these you could have been ten years and two kids later. Yeah, yeah, you know. And that's the closure though, is just knowing that none of these were and we got a few of them, but none of the ones we chose here were divorced stories. They're just flat out breakup. A lot of this has to be we're always bad communicators in the relationships, so it's

not really surprising that you're bad getting out of it. I've had that happened, like somebody either texted me or emailed me or something, and I felt like, what the fuck? You can't call me? But I'm not sure I would be any better. I don't know. Yeah, what's the worst way you've broken up with someone. I'm not a good person at that either. I was sort of like the slow fade out kind of okay, But the worst way I've ever broken up with somebody was I think I told them

that, wait, we were dating. I thought we were just hanging out. Oh my, So I like, I don't need to because they're like, you break up with me. I'm like, no, we don't. And I was like twenty five, I'm like, we don't need to break up because officially we weren't really And she's like, what are you talking about? Like it was like a year, and I'm like, well, how

many times did we really go out? Oh my god, that's twenty five year o Brian, don't judge, okay, but it was something like that that I would trying to I would diminish what we had, so it made it seem like what do you miss it? Anyway? So almost like chicken fingers. Yeah. So then she's thinking the whole time, like, was I crazy? You were my boyfriend? And I was like, what are you talking about? Oh? Yeah, looking back, that was probably not

the strategy. That was really not fair. Sorry Caroline, Sorry, um, yeah, it was that it was if I make it seem like it's not such a big deal that we're not going to see each other anymore. That was my strategy. Okay, And today, if you had to break up with somebody, how would you do it? Um, I don't know. I don't think I would want to that. See, I don't even like to think about it, because thinking about the end of something that you at least at one point had the the I think if it was going to

happen, it would happen in couples therapy. Okay. I think I would want to do in the presence of an arbiter safe safe space. Well, somebody who could help me get through the conversation. Yeah, probably like can you help us to navigate? Yeah, which is probably a wise way to do it, right, Like, because you should if you if you're in a serious relationship and you're feeling something, I think it's a good idea to

bring in somebody to help you with communication. Yeah. And that person might like walk you through the paperwork, walk you through the division of assets, whatever, like here's how you guys are going to go your separate ways, or they might point out like you guys aren't right for each other, you know, or something like that. Yeah, I think I would do that. Okay, is that Okay, that's great. I'm a surprised. I

don't know if that's more of a pussy move than anything. No, I think it's Jewish mother, No, not at all that you should dump. Um. Yeah, I think you know at this point, like you'd want to. I would want to exhaust every option if you got into a meaningful road, yeah or whatever. Absolutely, we clearly had something that you I'm just going to throw away over Greenland. I would want to go all the way down the road to figure out what was was real here, because I

think if you cared, you cared. Yeah, Okay, Um, that was good. Yeah, that was good. Did you have one that you think that you could have handled better at some point one of the breakups, one of your own breakups, one of my Boston one of these fellows off the side of the road. Is there one that you're like, you know what, the relationship wasn't good, but I probably could have handled that better.

Yeah, I think that. Well, there was one guy that I kind of like kind of cheated on him because and I say kind of because it was just making out a little bit pregnant. It was just making out, okay, But I didn't tell I told him like two days later about what happened. Told him. I told him, were you in like Mexico like a spring break thing? No, I wasn't. I was like in Arizona. Oh, and he was so you geographically, I think that it does it? Does it? Spring? I was working Magic Mike Show and

got out. Yeah. It was working yeah, the waiter or something. It was my boss at the time. Oh Jesus, Okay, I know. And you told him though, I told him yeah, and then um we ended up. Well. He wanted to like stay together and try and work it out, and I was like, but I like this other guy, so anyway the way I can work like I made out. I'm sorry, You're like, I made out and I'd like to do more with him? Yeah, why tell her many of it? Why did you do that?

Because I had to come clean. I'm too honest. I couldn't break up. And then, like you were telling him, knowing you were going to break up, you were saying, yeah, I did, and I would like to do more, and I thank you. I didn't think I really knew. I hadn't thought that far ahead. Yeah, I think.

Well, I think where I could have where it could have done better is just like as it was leading up to that point where we made out, Like I knew that I didn't want to be with this guy anyway, you know, and so I should have just like broken up with him and then and then made out a little bit and then made Yeah, there was a little guy alert you you jumped the gun, Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's not good. Yeah, but looking back, you do feel bad about it? Okay. Yeah, so you told him that you made out as

a way of telling him you want to do more. Yeah, I guess. So it wasn't guilt ridden, like please take me back. No, it's like, please let me go. All right, this was fun bringing up. It's hard to do. It is, no matter how you do it. Um as far as us UM like share Fallow, please review this podcast. Where can people listen to you sing songs on Spotify? Yeah? Lanciano that's my artist's name, why a Lanciano? And I can just hear you're just singing. They can just hear me seeing or on the how.

But I wanted to do more, so I let him go. Sorry, that's sorry. I dumped him over Greenland, and then I have my Jewish father saying sorry, Okay, we're gonna record, We're gona do a duet. Um shoot us an email. You can still do. I want to hear more, or I want to hear your thoughts on our answers or anything we're missing on these or any of the other's Great Love Debate at gmail dot com. Go to Great Love Debate dot com. There are actually some live

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