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The Gist

Peach Fish Productionswww.mikepesca.com
For thirty minutes each day, Pesca challenges himself and his audience, in a responsibly provocative style, and gets beyond the rigidity and dogma. The Gist is surprising, reasonable, and willing to critique the left, the right, either party, or any idea.
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Episodes

Mike Vuolo & Bob Garfield: "Life Is a Flat Pizza Bagel"

Mike Vuolo and Bob Garfield of Lexicon Valley join to talk 23 skidoo, Massapequa, and why life, in fact, is a flat bagel. They trace the 6/7 meme from Skrilla's drill track "Doot Doot" through LaMelo Ball highlights and a middle-schooler named Maverick, and explain how a throwaway number became the meme stock of language. The conversation winds through rival "word of the year" contenders, then lands on the legal and French graveyard roots of "gist" and its Nigerian evolution into a verb meaning ...

Nov 24, 202550 minEp. 2870

Mike on Matt Lewis Can't Lose

Mike joins Matt Lewis for a lively crossover conversation that opens with deep dives into Huey Lewis puns before shifting into the Democrats' "affordability" message, why word wars matter more than policy wins, and how political optics collide with economic reality. They unpack everything from tariffs to AI dislocation to the future of the Democratic bench — and why charisma might matter more than infrastructure. Later, Mike breaks down the exploding sports-betting scandals in baseball and the N...

Nov 22, 202530 minEp. 2869

Funny You Should Mention: Myq Kaplan

Comedian Myq Kaplan joins the show for a deep dive into joke logic, philosophy, and the very slippery business of defining who counts as a comedian. Using his new special Rini as a jumping-off point, he and Mike wander through Grecian maxims, the paradox of the heap, why some laughs are closer to enlightenment than punch lines, and how his relationship with Rini turned into a whole cosmology of love, language, and life on stage. Along the way they talk genre, jazz, governing boards of comedy, an...

Nov 21, 20251 hr 19 minEp. 2868

Fareed Zakaria on Revolutions, Backlashes, and the High Cost of Not Fixing Immigration

Fareed Zakaria joins the show to discuss The Age of Revolutions: Progress and Backlash from 1600 to the Present , arguing that the past 30 years of globalization, AI, and cultural upheaval rival the Industrial Revolutions in their political consequences. He makes the case that today's populist surges—from Sweden to the U.S.—are driven less by economics than by immigration-fueled cultural anxiety, and that Democrats' failure to manage the border gave Trump his strongest 2.0 issue. Plus: the top o...

Nov 20, 202542 minEp. 2867

James Patterson: "My Time Here Is Short. What Can I Do Most Beautifully?"

James Patterson joins the show to talk about Disrupt Everything—and Win: Take Control of Your Future , his new playbook for turning constant disruption into something useful rather than paralyzing. He explains how he thinks about "positive" versus "negative" disruptors, wrestles with whether the gospel of disruption feeds our narcissism, and defends his literacy work and banned YA novels in places like Florida. Mike then presents to him evidence that one of the book's inspirational case studies ...

Nov 19, 202536 minEp. 2866

John Amaechi: "Excellence Isn't Sorcery"

The former NBA power forward and unmistakably English John Amaechi talks leadership, psychology, and the everyday skills that make organizations work. His book It's Not Magic: The Ordinary Skills of Exceptional Leaders anchors a conversation about accountability, ambition, and what people misunderstand about excellence. Also: Europe's frozen-assets loan scheme, Macron's future-jets promise, and the contrast between Brussels' legalism and Trump's "sea boat, bomb boat" simplicity. Produced by Core...

Nov 18, 202543 minEp. 2865

Nicole Gelinas on Crime, Bail, and Mamdani's Vibesy Criminology

The Manhattan Institute's Nicole Gelinas breaks down New York's post-pandemic crime surge and what the data actually say about bail reform versus simple pandemic chaos. She explains why the city's rise in murders and disorder looks different from the national pattern and how weak supervision, dangerous subways, and repeat violent offenders all compounded the problem. Gelinas also assesses the competing theories embraced by Mayor-elect Mamdani and what the tension means for the next administratio...

Nov 17, 202535 minEp. 2864

David Ignatius on Space Wars, Skepticism, and His Father's Legacy

Mike Pesca revisits his conversation with Washington Post columnist and novelist David Ignatius, recorded before the recent passing of Ignatius's father, former Navy Secretary Paul Ignatius. They discuss the future of warfare in space, why the U.S. Space Force deserves more credit than it gets, and how a century of Pentagon experience shaped a lifelong skepticism toward military overconfidence. Plus, a Spiel on a government shutdown that achieved very little beyond irritating everyone involved. ...

Nov 15, 202531 minEp. 2863

Katie Herzog Is the Kind of Person Who Googles Recidivism Rates in an AA Meeting

Katie Herzog breaks down Drink Your Way Sober: The Science-Based Method to Break Free from Alcohol and how naltrexone—used through the Sinclair Method—let her "drink" her way out of addiction after years of half-hearted AA attempts. She explains why rock bottom kept moving, why abstinence felt impossible, and how targeted medication can disrupt the endorphin loop that makes alcohol so compulsive. Plus: the laser focus on the magic word "affordability," and a Spiel about Michael Wolff's Epstein p...

Nov 14, 202533 minEp. 2862

Not Even Mad: Charles Lehman & Brad Carson

The Epstein files and the Michael Wolff ethics mess. Then Brad Carson (Americans for Responsible Innovation) and Charles Lehman (Manhattan Institute / City Journal) dig into the shutdown endgame, Schumer's calculus, 2026 vibes, and why data centers might be a sleeper issue. They argue affordability vs. "afford to dream," culture vs. policy, and whether legalization waves for pot, NIL, and sports betting were built to fail. Plus: AI guardrails, why adding friction to vices works, and Goat Grinder...

Nov 13, 202559 minEp. 2861

John J. Lennon — "I'm Owning My Sh*t on the Page"

John J. Lennon, currently incarcerated at Sing Sing Correctional Facility, discusses The Tragedy of True Crime: Four Guilty Men and the Stories That Define Us , arguing that true crime's fixation on innocence obscures the harder stories of guilt, punishment, and change. He describes refusing to be branded "Inside Evil" on Chris Cuomo's show—and how that exploitation pushed him toward critiquing the genre from within. Lennon explains why he writes himself beneath the other men he profiles—even as...

Nov 12, 202545 minEp. 2860

Jon Levy: "We Don't Really Want Authenticity"

Behavioral scientist Jon Levy, author of Team Intelligence: How Brilliant Leaders Unlock Collective Genius, joins to talk about why he collects astronauts, Olympians, and other outliers for secret salons—and what they've taught him about trust and connection. He explains why status isn't the same as popularity, how our networks quietly determine our habits and fortunes, and why so-called "authentic" leaders are really just people who match our prewritten narratives. Plus, a Spiel on a government...

Nov 11, 202540 minEp. 2859

Sarah Goodyear and Doug Gordon on Life After Cars

Mike reflects on the post-election landscape, including Mamdani's win and the hype around Trump's election monitors who reportedly spent their time chatting about cats. Then Mike talks with Sarah Goodyear and Doug Gordon, hosts of The War on Cars and authors of Life After Cars . They discuss traffic fatalities, Dutch street design, the Brightline conundrum, induced demand, EV optimism vs. EV limitations, and what cities gain when they take traffic out of their cores. In the Spiel, Mike explains ...

Nov 10, 202541 minEp. 2858

The Good Fight Club, or Good Fight Club?

Mike joins Yascha Mounk's Good Fight Club to debate the mid-midterm results: Democrats' surprisingly strong showings in Virginia and New Jersey, Zoran Mamdani's charisma-vs-governance problem in New York, and whether moderates like Abigail Spanberger can still carry a national coalition. Also: the Seattle mayoral race tightens, and the "Dems in disarray" narrative hits a wall. Produced by Corey Wara Email us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠thegist@mikepesca.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ To advertise on the show, contact ⁠⁠⁠⁠ ad-sales@libsyn....

Nov 08, 202534 minEp. 2857

Funny You Should Mention: Dusty Slay

Dusty Slay drops by with "Wet Heat" fresh on Netflix to talk Opelika lore (a.k.a. Snopalika ), becoming parade Grand Marshal, and how a onetime pesticide salesman turned country-music linguist builds jokes from tiny word quirks. We get into his love of language (Carlin vibes), song-lyric autopsies ("It's Five O'Clock Somewhere," Brooks & Dunn's "Hard Workin' Man"), the origin of "We're having a good time," Comedy Cellar war stories, Opry nights, accent drift, trailer-park childhood, and why ...

Nov 07, 20251 hr 9 minEp. 2856

Sadie Dingfelder on "Hair, Feathers, and the Theater of Disgust."

We test whether a hair in your hummus is truly hazardous, compare bacterial counts on hair shafts vs. feathers, and trace America's hairnet obsession back to Edward Bernays' spin. We play: Is That BS? Hair/Feather Edition. Also: Seattle mayoral race updates, and in the Spiel: the Philadelphia Art Museum's chunky griffin rebrand, the PHAM backlash, and why the director got bounced. Produced by Corey Wara Email us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠thegist@mikepesca.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ To advertise on the show, contact ⁠⁠⁠⁠ ad-sales@lib...

Nov 06, 202527 minEp. 2855

Colin Woodard: The Federation Is the Fault Line

Woodard maps America's clashing "nations," from American Nations to Nations Apart , arguing that our deepest divides are regional and newly combustible. He makes the case that post–Cold War policy, social media, and a fraying social contract turned long-standing cultural seams into political fracture zones. We press whether his framework explains why now more than past crises. Plus: a quick read of the 11/5 results — Democratic gains in New Jersey and Virginia, Maine's voter-ID rejection, a Geor...

Nov 05, 202543 minEp. 2854

The Wars Trump Says He Ended, and the One Cheney Began

The veteran media strategist reflects on Chuck Schumer's once-golden Sunday pressers and how his "price-of-milk politics" model needs updating for 2025. He discusses New York Democrats' strategic silence in the Mamdani race, Hillary Clinton's 2000 outreach to Hasidic women, and why he can praise Trump's Middle East diplomacy without voting for him. Plus, an inquiry into which seven wars Trump claims to have ended, including the murky Kosovo-Serbia "peace," and the legacy of Dick Cheney, measured...

Nov 04, 202530 minEp. 2853

Matthew Hiltzik on the Craft of Crisis Communications

Hiltzik, founder of Hiltzik Strategies, explains how his background in law, politics, and media shaped his methodical, fact-based approach to strategic communications. He describes the importance of understanding audiences and using social and digital tools with "precision," rather than relying on broad or emotional appeals. Drawing on experiences from campaigns for Schumer, Spitzer, and Clinton, he reflects on how retail politics and attention to detail still matter in the age of algorithms. Al...

Nov 03, 202533 minEp. 2852

Mike Pesca on "Smoke 'Em If You Got 'Em"

Mike joins Nancy Rommelmann and Sarah Hepola for a rowdy, caffeine-fueled dive into the NBA betting scandal—where marked decks, mobsters, and million-dollar contracts collide. They unpack how legalized sports gambling reopened old mafia doors, what drives athletes to risk it all, and why men chase competition even from the couch. Also: Karine Jean-Pierre's disastrous book tour, testosterone talk, Louis C.K.'s "program," and the curious economics of peeing at stadiums. Produced by Corey Wara Emai...

Nov 01, 202549 minEp. 2851

Art Cullen on Iowa's Corn Gospel, Cancer, and Capture

Iowa's rivers run brown, its cancer rates climb, and its politics tilt redder. Pulitzer Prize-winning editor Art Cullen joins to discuss his new book Dear Marty: We Crapped in Our Nest — Notes from the Edge of the World, Iowa, which serves as both lament and call to arms for a farm state choking on its own abundance. Cullen traces how corn and hogs became economic lifelines and environmental nooses, and explains why Democrats keep losing ground by talking culture instead of livelihood. Plus: the...

Oct 31, 202532 minEp. 2850

Beth Macy: "When the Local Paper Dies, the Community Follows"

Journalist Beth Macy, author of Dopesick: Dealers, Doctors, and the Drug Company That Addicted America, returns to her Ohio roots to chart what's been lost in the hollowing-out of middle America. Paper Girl: A Memoir of Home and Family in a Fractured America follows Macy's hometown of Urbana through addiction, poverty, and political drift, and her effort to reconnect with a onetime boyfriend turned conspiracy devotee. She also tells the story of Silas, a trans drum major fighting impossible odds...

Oct 30, 202542 minEp. 2849

Karine Jean-Pierre: "Independent," Evasion, and the Party She Says Left Her

Former Biden Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre joins to promote her memoir Independent: A Look Inside a Broken White House Outside the Party Lines—and faces pointed questions about contradictions between her praise for Biden, her criticism of Democrats, and her claim of newfound political independence. Asked what makes her truly "independent," she pivots to abstractions about democracy and compassion, refusing to name concrete policy differences or lessons from 2024. Plus: scarcity and abundanc...

Oct 29, 202543 minEp. 2848

Steve Hayes & Damon Linker: The Hole Truth

Steve Hayes and Damon Linker debate whether Trump's demolition of the White House East Wing is another norm-busting outrage or just a gaudy renovation. They argue over visuals versus substance in anti-Trump outrage, Trump's manipulation of public opinion, and whether Congress's abdication of power is the true engine of American authoritarian drift. Then: could "Trump 2028" be both a joke and a trial balloon? And in Goat Grinders: the "harm-reduction community," the literal misuse of a certain wo...

Oct 28, 20251 hr 5 minEp. 2847

Barista Michelle Eisen on Face Tattoos, Short Staffs, and Union Shots Fired

Michelle Eisen, barista-turned-organizer from Buffalo's first unionized Starbucks, breaks down how Workers United grew from one store to hundreds—and why the real fight now is over pay, scheduling, and the right to keep your piercings. She pushes back on what she calls "the most aggressive union-busting in modern labor history." Plus, examples of great journalism from The Daily on the Hole in The White House and The Atlantic on The Death Train. Also: a Spiel on tariffs, psyops, and Meet the Pres...

Oct 27, 202534 minEp. 2846

Jeremy Workman — "Walking Every Block, Hiding in a Mall"

Two conversations with documentarian Jeremy Workman: first on The World Before Your Feet (a quest to walk every NYC block), then on Secret Mall Apartment (artists who built a hidden flat inside Providence Place Mall). Curiosity, urban change, and the quiet stunts that reveal a city. Produced by Corey Wara Production Coordinator Ashley Khan Email us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠thegist@mikepesca.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ To advertise on the show, contact ⁠⁠⁠⁠ ad-sales@libsyn.com ⁠⁠⁠⁠ or visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://advertising.libsyn.com/TheGist⁠...

Oct 25, 202538 minEp. 2845

Funny You Should Mention: Ariel Elias

Kentucky-raised, New York-forged, and newly "A Jewish Star," Ariel Elias breaks down how outsider status becomes comic superpower. We talk growing up Jewish in the Bluegrass, explaining Kentucky to New Yorkers, the "Earl" name bit, airline misery (farewell, Southwest), and writing cleaner for synagogue gigs without losing edge. She unpacks her viral beer-can moment and how it led to Kimmel, why "hack" is about angle not topic, the art of the long-simmer callback, and learning to say no (and yes)...

Oct 24, 20251 hr 8 minEp. 2844

No Capes, Real Peace: U Thant's UN and What We Lost

Historian and grandson of third secretary-general of the United Nations U Thant, Thant Myint-U, discusses Peacemaker: U Thant and the Forgotten Quest for a Just World —how the UN once brokered real ceasefires (Cuban Missile Crisis, India-Pakistan 1965), why its stature faded, what decolonization changed, and Myanmar's present. A reminder that boring, grown-up diplomacy can beat laser eyes every time. Plus: the case against franchise-ified superhero "universes." Produced by Corey Wara Production ...

Oct 23, 202542 minEp. 2843

Alicia Wanless — "The Ecology of Information"

Carnegie Endowment's Alicia Wanless argues that disinformation isn't new—it's just our latest pollutant. In The Information Animal , she maps centuries of "information ecosystems," from King Charles I's pamphlet floods to the social-media deluge, and shows why attempts to "detoxify" them often fail. We trace the analogies between DDT and digital outrage, ask whether suppression ever works, and weigh how democracies can regulate without strangling truth. Also: China's dirty edge in the rare-earth...

Oct 22, 202533 minEp. 2842

Michael Kirk — "RFK Jr.'s Latest Addiction: Attention"

Frontline's Michael Kirk discusses The Rise of RFK Jr. , charting Kennedy's path from sex and drug addiction to what Kirk calls "an addiction to validation." He describes a man driven by grievance, and details how the alliance between Kennedy and Trump built the so-called "MAHA movement," and why it may collapse under its own contradictions. Plus: a breakdown of how Supreme Court shifts and redistricting could strip representation from Black voters in states like North Carolina and Louisiana. Pr...

Oct 21, 202544 minEp. 2841
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