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The Gist

Peach Fish Productionswww.mikepesca.com
For thirty minutes each day, Pesca challenges himself and his audience, in a responsibly provocative style, and gets beyond the rigidity and dogma. The Gist is surprising, reasonable, and willing to critique the left, the right, either party, or any idea.
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Mike Pesca on The Good Fight Club

Today on The Gist, we air some of Mikes appearance on The Good Fight Club Podcast. Please note that this was recorded on September 10th, before the shooting of Charlie Kirk. You can listen to the rest of the podcast using the link below. The Good Fight Club: Russian Drones in Poland, Low Literacy in Schools, and Can Anyone Rein in Trump? Produced by Corey Wara Production Coordinator Ashley Khan Email us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠thegist@mikepesca.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ To advertise on the show, contact ⁠⁠⁠⁠ ad-sales@libsyn.com ⁠...

Sep 13, 202544 minEp. 2810

Bill McKibben: "Energy From Heaven, Not From Hell"

Bill McKibben discusses his new book Here Comes the Sun: A Last Chance for the Climate and a Fresh Chance for Civilization , making the case for renewables as civilization's best hope. He has long argued that we can't save the planet without a massive overhaul of how we live, but here he answers a challenge to whether that was ever right. McKibben dismisses geoengineering as "junkie's logic," yet warns it may be forced if clean energy isn't embraced quickly. Plus, a reflection on cycles of Ameri...

Sep 12, 202539 minEp. 2809

Aaron Sibarium on Charlie Kirk, Retribution, and the Cycle of Violence

Aaron Sibarium of the Washington Free Beacon reflects on his recent full-hour interview with Charlie Kirk, which aired just a week before Kirk's assassination. He recalls Kirk's reach across conservative factions and his surprising focus on debate and voter mobilization rather than pure outrage. The conversation widens to the risks of political violence, misperceptions between parties, and how quickly rhetoric escalates online. Plus, a Spiel on what might finally break the cycle of fear hatred a...

Sep 11, 202539 minEp. 2808

Ryan Evans on Drones, Ground War, and Ukraine's Fight for Survival

Ryan Evans, founder of War on the Rocks , breaks down the grinding land war in eastern Ukraine, the tactical role of drones, and how morale and leadership shape the battlefield. He points to Zelensky's missteps, the weapons still needed, and what "winning the ground" really means. Also: Russia sends drones into Poland, forcing Trump into a test of NATO resolve with Putin watching every move. Plus, for Pesca Plus subscribers, a conversation on Gaza. Come See Mike Pesca at Open Debate Produced by ...

Sep 10, 202528 minEp. 2807

Nim Shapira: Torn Between Empathy and Erasure

Filmmaker Nim Shapira discusses Torn , his documentary on the hostage posters put up—and torn down—across New York after October 7th. He reflects on free speech, empathy, and why erasing someone else's pain won't shorten a war. Also: a protest in Nepal over a social media ban topples the prime minister. Plus: Israel's strikes on Hamas leaders in Qatar, where trust craters—and Israel puts its trust in craters. Come See Mike Pesca at Open Debate Produced by Corey Wara Production Coordinator Ashley...

Sep 09, 202531 minEp. 2806

Christine Wenc: The Onion's Straight Face Made It Funnier

Christine Wenc joins to discuss Funny Because It's True: How The Onion Created Modern American News Satire , recalling its Wisconsin roots, AP-style discipline, and newsroom battles over absurd details. She traces the paper's arc from gas-station rent money to online cult influence, and the tension between preachiness and bite. Plus, the Ambazonian separatist movement run from Minneapolis, and a court ruling upholding E. Jean Carroll's $83 million judgment against Donald Trump. Come See Mike Pes...

Sep 08, 202529 minEp. 2805

Immigration, Nuance, and a Leonhardt Vault Cut

It's the Saturday Show: one from the week, one from the vault. Mike revisits his take on immigration—spurred by a CNN piece and a Pesca Profundities post—arguing the media too often flattens a hard issue into easy labels. Courts have now allowed parts of Trump's approach, forcing a distinction between "shameful" and "unconstitutional." From the vault, David Leonhardt on why Democrats' stance can sound like "more is good, less is racist. Come See Mike Pesca at Open Debate Produced by Corey Wara P...

Sep 06, 202532 minEp. 2804

Mike Hayes on Purpose, Grit, and Mission

Today on The Gist. Trump's push to rebrand the Pentagon as the "Department of War". Then a full-length interview with Mike Hayes—former commanding officer of SEAL Team 2, White House Fellow, and author of Mission Driven: The Path to a Life of Purpose . Hayes lays out how to define the "who" before the "what," why 1% better beats overnight breakthroughs, and how grit, EQ, and team-first leadership scale beyond the battlefield to business and life. Plus: talent vs. credentialism, learning from fai...

Sep 05, 202539 minEp. 2803

Not Even Mad: Galen Druke and Josh Barro

Today on The Gist : It's Not Even Mad . Mike Pesca welcomes Galen Druke and Josh Barro for a sharp yet civil debate on Trump's immigration strategy, crime, and the charge of creeping autocracy. They weigh whether cruelty brings Trump political advantage, how Democrats should frame their response, and what "autocracy makes you poor" really means for voters. Plus, Mike spotlights where polls mislead, why midterms punish incumbents, and why branding matters as much as policy. Come See Mike Pesca at...

Sep 04, 202550 minEp. 2802

Miles Taylor on Resistance Cascades, Rubio's Turn, and Testing the Judiciary

Former DHS official Miles Taylor, author of the "Anonymous" op-ed, returns to discuss Trump's second term agenda, the courts, and the missing "axis of adults." Pesca opens with a theory on why deportees landed in Eswatini, then closes with a spiel on the immigration conundrum: border deterrence versus humane policy. Taylor explains "permission structures," why resistance cascaded in 2020 but not 2024, how this White House could test the judiciary, what Rubio's evolution signals, how patronage is...

Sep 03, 202535 minEp. 2801

Ex-DHS Chief Miles Taylor: Trump, Treason, and Executive Power

Trump health rumors, media scrutiny, and what counts as news kick off the show before a wide-ranging interview with Miles Taylor—former DHS Chief of Staff and author of Blowback —about the April 2025 White House memo labeling him "treasonous," the threats that followed, alleged blacklisting, and how executive power can be bent to punish speech. We discuss investigations vs. "fishing expeditions," loyalty scorecards for companies, and why institutions cave—or don't. In the spiel, Mike reframes th...

Sep 02, 202537 minEp. 2800

Governor Wes Moore on Baltimore's Historic Drop in Homicides, Plus Laura Loomer's Lunacy

Maryland Governor Wes Moore has overseen one of the steepest homicide drops in America. Baltimore, long plagued by 300-plus murders a year, has seen killings fall more than 40 percent since 2023. In this archived conversation, Moore explains how a data-driven, all-of-the-above approach—boosting local police, investing in technology, and supporting victims—helped reshape the city's fight against violent crime. Plus: Mike Pesca's spiel takes on the bizarre press orbit around Laura Loomer, a figure...

Aug 30, 202520 minEp. 2799

Edward Wong: At the Edge of Empire, China, Family, and Power

New York Times correspondent Edward Wong has reported from Beijing to Baghdad, covering the rise of China and the reach of American power. In his new book At the Edge of Empire: A Family's Reckoning with China , Wong blends geopolitics with personal history, from his father's time in Mao's army to his own years navigating censorship and nationalism in modern China. Mike talks with Wong about ideology, disillusionment, and what China's trajectory means for the United States and the world. Plus: O...

Aug 29, 202534 minEp. 2798

Nick Foster on How We Really Think About the Future

Mike Pesca examines the political spin after a Minnesota school shooting and the debate over trans identity and mass shootings. He then speaks with designer and futurist Nick Foster (Apple, Google, Dyson) about his new book Could Should Might Don't: How We Think About the Future and why tech culture misunderstands futurism. Plus, a spiel on how RFK Jr.'s administration is hollowing out Health and Human Services and why missing mice reveal a bigger problem. Produced by Corey Wara Production Coord...

Aug 28, 202533 minEp. 2797

Inside a Fat Camp named Shame

Donald Trump's allies are weaponizing the machinery of government against opponents, eroding faith in American institutions. But does every abuse demand the "dictatorship" label? Mike weighs in on the rhetoric of tyranny, then turns to Camp Shame , a new podcast by Kelsey Snelling about the notorious weight loss retreat Camp Shane, its false promises, and its lasting scars. Use Code gist at the link to get an exclusive 60% off an annual incogni plan: https://incogni.com/gist Produced by Corey Wa...

Aug 27, 202552 minEp. 2796

Trump's Mortgage Attacks and Kessler on Weight Loss

Trump has fired Fed governor Lisa Cook for lying on her mortgage, part of a broader pattern of using mortgage fraud as a political weapon while allies skate by. Former FDA head David Kessler joins again to explain how GLP-1 drugs reshape the fight against obesity and what they mean for health long term. In the Spiel, the spectacle of Laura Loomer's chaotic influence. Produced by Corey Wara Production Coordinator Ashley Khan Email us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠thegist@mikepesca.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ To advertise on the show, cont...

Aug 27, 202538 minEp. 2795

David Kessler on Why Junk Food Is America's Nicotine

Today on The Gist , the Trump administration's lowering of FBI recruitment standards, where irony gives way to petty tyranny. Former FDA Commissioner David Kessler joins to discuss his new book Diet, Drugs, and Dopamine and his petition urging the FDA to strip refined carbohydrates of their "generally recognized as safe" status. Kessler explains why ultra-processed foods act more like narcotics than nourishment, how GLP-1 drugs change the weight-loss landscape, and why toxic fat may be the new t...

Aug 25, 202541 minEp. 2794

Trump's Long Game and Miles Taylor's Warning

Mike revisits an old worry: Trump's policies are built for payoffs far beyond his term—and that's a problem for a man who won't share credit. From tariffs to civil service purges, the risks linger. To set the stage, we go back to a 2018 interview with Miles Taylor, once "Anonymous," whose warnings still resonate as he returns with his new book Blowback. Produced by Corey Wara Production Coordinator Ashley Khan Email us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠thegist@mikepesca.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ To advertise on the show, contact ⁠⁠⁠⁠ ad-sa...

Aug 23, 202532 minEp. 2793

The Working Class Party with the Post-Graduate Jargon

McKenzie Wilson of Blue Rose Research joins to dissect Democrats' branding failures, from alienating language to ignoring cost-of-living pain. She explains why Gen Z may be drifting rightward, why "when we all vote we win" no longer holds, Plus: Trump's doomed "Alligator Alcatraz" detention center, shut down not for human-rights abuses but for threatening orchids and panthers. And in the Spiel it's an antwentig covering Israel, conspiracy theories and "punching left". Produced by Corey Wara Prod...

Aug 22, 202554 minEp. 2792

Not Even Mad: Rikki Schlott and Isaac Saul

New York Post columnist Rikki Schlott and Tangle founder Isaac Saul join Mike to discuss policing Washington, D.C.—who's in charge, who gets blamed, and why federal takeover is more problem multiplier than solution. Then: scalpel or a chainsaw on the syllabus for higher ed. Plus, using the concept of toxic empathy to explain both a recidivist subway-jacker and a diplomatic move toward Palestinian statehood. In Goat Grinders, air travel with babies, The Naked Gun while lying down, and airlines th...

Aug 21, 20251 hr 1 minEp. 2791

CryptoDad's Pirate Clause: Reviving Letters of Marque

Christopher Giancarlo—former CFTC chair and known as "CryptoDad"—joins to explain why the U.S. should build a crypto reserve, just like oil or gold. He recalls a White House summit that treated digital assets with the pomp of a state visit—and unveils a swashbuckling plan to revive the Constitution's old letters of marque to hunt today's digital pirates. Plus murder has almost doubled in D.C. since 2012 but officials and media insist the city is perfectly safe. Produced by Corey Wara Production ...

Aug 20, 202533 minEp. 2790

Rent-Stabilized and City-Run: Mamdani Rises as Rivals Flail

Harry Siegel joins to break down the chaotic New York mayoral race, where Zohran Mamdani looks like the presumptive next mayor but hasn't been fully tested. Siegel warns that old tweets, rent-stabilized housing, and city-run grocery promises could become liabilities once federal pressure mounts. Plus, Trump's trade war bets on an eight-to-eleven-year payoff, a timeline that outlasts his legal term limit and raises questions about intent. Produced by Corey Wara Production Coordinator Ashley Khan ...

Aug 19, 202543 minEp. 2789

Katja Hoyer on Germany's AFD and the Limits of Calling Someone a Nazi

Today on The Gist, the Texas Democrats' walk-out, a dramatic gesture that ultimately did little because they never had the leverage to win. From there he zooms out to Europe, where far-right parties are suddenly topping polls in France, the UK, and now Germany. Historian Katja Hoyer joins to explain what's behind the AFD's rise and why calling them "Nazis" isn't scaring voters away the way it once did. In the spiel, Trump meets Putin in a summit that's long on spectacle but pretty short on subst...

Aug 18, 202529 minEp. 2788

The Spiel Saturday Show

Today on The Gist we air two spiels from earlier in the week. One about the CDC shooting in Atlanta and then one about Matt Taibbi's murder stat takedown of D.C backfires. Produced by Corey Wara Production Coordinator Ashley Khan Email us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠thegist@mikepesca.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ To advertise on the show, contact ⁠⁠⁠⁠ ad-sales@libsyn.com ⁠⁠⁠⁠ or visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://advertising.libsyn.com/TheGist⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to The Gist: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://subscribe.mikepesca.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to The Gist Youtube Page: ⁠⁠⁠⁠http...

Aug 16, 202524 minEp. 2787

The Cheesecake Factory Model of Freedom

In The Age of Choice: A History of Freedom in Modern Life , Sophia Rosenfeld traces how choice evolved from secret ballots and dance cards to consumer overload and political battlegrounds. She also dissects ihow the pro-choice movement's framing was both a strength and a vulnerability. Also, Trump's murder-rate comparison between D.C., Bogotá, and Mexico City, and in the Spiel, the case against "turtling" in public life when threats arise over professors posting their syllabi. Produced by Corey ...

Aug 15, 202535 minEp. 2786

When the Train to Hell Runs on Time

Aziz Huq, author of The Collapse of Constitutional Remedies , explains how liability insurers shape policing in small towns, why "rights versus rights" conflicts—from same-sex marriage to police brutality—often hinge on public trust, and how Chicago's low murder clearance rate reflects deep distrust of law enforcement. He analyzes the Supreme Court's Grants Pass ruling on homelessness, arguing that its "status versus conduct" distinction masks moral judgments about choice and responsibility. Plu...

Aug 14, 202540 minEp. 2785

Rights You Can't Use

Aziz Huq, University of Chicago law professor and author of The Collapse of Constitutional Remedies , lays out how federal courts have gutted the mechanisms for enforcing constitutional rights—blocking individuals harmed by police while greenlighting speculative corporate attacks on regulation. Also, Donald Trump crowns himself de facto CEO of the U.S. chip industry and gatekeeper of U.S. Steel's future. And Matt Taibbi's "year-to-date" murder stat takedown of D.C. backfires once he actually che...

Aug 14, 202537 minEp. 2784

The Case for Good Anger

Samuel Parker, author of Good Anger: How Rethinking Rage Can Change Our Lives , argues that suppressing anger fuels anxiety and that society's overcorrection toward placidity has blunted a vital emotion. He traces its demotion from the Stoics to corporate HR, separates it from violence, and shows how to channel it into productive action. Plus, Donald Trump tries to deal with peace, and in the Spiel, the CDC shooting in Atlanta prompts a pushback against claims that misinformation draws a straigh...

Aug 12, 202539 minEp. 2783

Rebecca Lemov and the Instability of Truth

Host Mike Pesca welcomes Harvard historian of science Rebecca Lemov to discuss her book, "The Instability of Truth," exploring the history of mind control, brainwashing, and hyper-persuasion. They delve into Cold War-era tactics like those used on Korean War POWs and the infamous MKUltra experiments, contrasting historical methods with modern forms of influence. The conversation highlights human suggestibility, the social aspects of persuasion, and the pervasive nature of "cultish" behaviors in contemporary society, from social media to crypto hype.

Aug 11, 202540 minEp. 2782

Sarah Ruhl on Lessons from the Teachers Who Shaped Her

Playwright Sarah Ruhl has collected wisdom from her mentors, from Pulitzer winners to driving instructors, in her new book Lessons from My Teachers . She joins Mike to talk about the art of learning, the balance between control and letting go, writing obliquely about grief (sometimes through a dog's eyes), and why you should thank the people who taught you before it's too late. Also, gerbils, almonds, and the occasional vibrator play. Produced by Corey Wara Production Coordinator Ashley Khan Ema...

Aug 09, 202536 minEp. 2781
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