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The Geek In Review

Greg Lambert & Marlene Gebauerwww.geeklawblog.com
Welcome to The Geek in Review, where podcast hosts, Marlene Gebauer and Greg Lambert discuss innovation and creativity in legal profession.
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Episodes

Lawyer 3.0 and the Milkshake Test: Ray Brescia on Legal AI, Client Value, and the Next Wave of Lawyering

Ray Brescia joins The Geek in Review this week to unpack a role with peak academia vibes, Associate Dean for Research and Intellectual Life at Albany Law School . Greg frames the title as “Chief Curator of Smart People Ideas,” and Ray embraces a “player-coach” approach, coaching faculty scholarship, unblocking stalled projects, and connecting peers across disciplines. The throughline is community, research momentum, and a practical view of how ideas move from draft to impact. The conversation th...

Feb 02, 202652 minSeason 1Ep. 338

Sateesh Nori Joins LawDroid: AI Tools for Access to Justice, Housing Court, and Legal Aid

Sateesh Nori joins us on The Geek in Review for an episode that flips the usual legal innovation conversation away from law firm efficiency and toward survival-grade help for people stuck in housing courts and legal aid queues. They open with news from Sateesh himself, he has started a new role with LawDroid , working with Tom Martin , and he frames the mission in plain terms. Legal tech should stop orbiting lawyers and start serving the person with the problem, especially the person who does no...

Jan 26, 202646 minSeason 1Ep. 337

From Legal Aid to LIT Lab: Quinten Steenhuis and the Builder’s Approach to AI

Quinten Steenhuis brings a builder’s mindset to legal innovation, rooted in early Indymedia activism where scavenged hardware became community infrastructure. That scrappy origin story carries through a dozen years of eviction defense at Greater Boston Legal Services, with a steady focus on tools that help people solve problems without waiting for a savior in a suit. Along the way, Quinten also lived the unglamorous side of mission tech, keeping systems funded, supported, and usable when budgets...

Jan 19, 202638 minSeason 1Ep. 336

Tiara Time and Data Center Politics: Vanderbilt’s AI Governance Playbook with Cat Moon and Mark Williams

Cat Moon and Mark Williams return to The Geek in Review wearing two hats, plus one tiara. The conversation starts at Vanderbilt’s inaugural AI Governance Symposium , where “governance” means wildly different things depending on who shows up. Judges, policy folks, technologists, in-house leaders, and law firm teams all brought separate definitions, then bumped into each other during generous hallway breaks. Those collisions led to new research threads and fresh coursework, which feels like the re...

Jan 12, 20261 hr 13 minSeason 1Ep. 335

Bot Overlords, Deepfakes, and the Weight of the Robe: Judge Scott Schlegel on AI in the Courts

Judge Scott Schlegel of the Louisiana Fifth Circuit Court of Appeal joins The Geek in Review for a candid, funny, and unflinchingly practical conversation about AI inside the judicial system. Schlegel wears multiple hats, appellate judge, former prosecutor, reform-minded builder, plus a podcaster and Substack writer who speaks plainly about what works and what fails when technology hits real people on real timelines. The throughline stays consistent, courts do not need more hype, courts need com...

Jan 05, 202639 minSeason 1Ep. 334

Receipts, RAG, and Reboots: Legal Tech’s 2025 Year-End Scorecard with Niki Black and Sarah Glassmeyer

The Geek in Review closes 2025 with Greg Lambert and Marlene Gebauer welcoming back Sarah Glassmeyer and Niki Black for round two of the annual scorecard, equal parts receipts, reality check, and forward look into 2026. The conversation opens with a heartfelt remembrance of Kim Stein, a beloved KM community builder whose generosity showed up in conference dinners, happy hours, and day to day support across vendors and firms. With Kim’s spirit in mind, the panel steps into the year-end ritual: na...

Dec 29, 20251 hr 12 minSeason 1Ep. 333

The Record, Rewired: Verbit and the Next Era of Court Reporting - JP Son and Matan Barak

For decades, “the record” has meant one thing: a text transcript built by skilled stenographers, trusted by courts, and treated as the backbone of due process. In this episode of The Geek in Review, Marlene Gebauer and Greg Lambert sit down with JP Son , Verbit’s Chief Legal Officer, and Matan Barak, Head of Legal Product, to talk about what happens when a labor shortage, rising demand, and better speech technology collide. Verbit has been in legal work since day one, supporting court reporting ...

Dec 22, 202537 minSeason 1Ep. 332

Data First, Partner Better. Jennifer McIver on Legal Ops Benchmarks, AI Agents, and Pricing Reality Checks

This week on The Geek in Review, we sit down with Jennifer McIver , Legal Ops and Industry Insights at Wolters Kluwer ELM Solutions . We open with Jennifer’s career detour from aspiring forensic pathologist to practicing attorney to legal tech and legal ops leader, sparked by a classic moment of lawyer frustration, a slammed office door, and a Google search for “what else can I do with my law degree.” From implementing Legal Tracker at scale, to customer success with major clients, to product an...

Dec 15, 202535 minSeason 1Ep. 331

From Bad Data to Better Deals: John Tertan on Narrative, Pricing, and Law Firm Relationships

In this episode of The Geek in Review, we sit down with Narrative founder John Tertan to talk about law firm pricing, messy data, and why substance matters more than shiny tools. We pick up from our first meeting at the Houston Legal Innovators event, where John had the pricing and KM crowd buzzing, and ask what he is hearing from those teams as they look toward 2026. John explains how Narrative focuses on “agentifying” business-of-law work, starting with pricing and analytics, so firms stop gue...

Dec 08, 202537 minSeason 1Ep. 330

Furlong, Matthews, and Sutherland: Truth Tellers, Rented Land, and 20 Years of the Clawbies

This week on The Geek in Review , we bring together a trio of Canadian legends from the legal web to celebrate the 20th anniversary of the Canadian Law Blog Awards, better known as the Clawbies . Steve Matthews of STEM Legal and Slaw.ca , Sarah Sutherland of Parallax Information Consulting and former president and CEO of CanLII, and legal market analyst and Substack author, Jordan Furlong join us to talk about how legal publishing has changed over two decades and where it heads next. Along the w...

Dec 01, 202557 minSeason 1Ep. 329

The Last Ten Percent, Visual Evidence, and Supervised Agents with Jiyun Hyo of Givance

This week we welcome Jiyun Hyo , co-founder and CEO of Givance , for a conversation about moving legal AI past shiny summaries toward verified work product. Jiyun’s path runs from Duke robotics, where layered agents watched other agents, to clinical mental health bots, where confident errors carry human cost. Those lessons shape his view of legal tools today: foundation models often answer like students guessing on a pop quiz, sounding sure while drifting from fact. A key idea is the “last ten p...

Nov 24, 202544 minSeason 1Ep. 328

AI Dividends and Workflow Training: Live with Legora and Harbor at TLTF

We recorded this episode live at the TLTF Summit and the energy in the room made it feel like the perfect place for a conversation about growth, training, and the rapid climb of legal tech. We grabbed our gear, claimed a corner in the podcast room, and pulled in two guests with front row seats to the changes hitting the industry. Joining us were Kyle Poe from Legora and our friend and guest host, Zena Applebaum of Harbor . The Summit attracts a focused group of founders, investors, and leaders, ...

Nov 17, 202531 minSeason 1Ep. 327

Law Librarians Take the Lead: The Future of AI and Legal Information

In this episode of The Geek in Review , we welcome three powerhouse guests— Cas Laskowski , Taryn Marks , and Kristina (Kris) Niedringhaus —who are charting a bold course for Artificial Intelligence & the Future of Law Libraries. These three recently co-authored a major white paper, Artificial Intelligence and the Future of Law Libraries ( pdf ) , which we see as less of a report and more of a call to arms. Together, we explore how law librarians can move from reactive observers of AI’s rise...

Nov 10, 202541 minSeason 1Ep. 326

Conferences, Catch-ups, and Clio’s Big Swing at Big Law

This week on The Geek in Review , Greg Lambert and Marlene Gebauer sit down to compare notes from a busy conference season. Marlene shares her experience at the American Legal Technology Awards where The Geek in Review was honored for excellence in journalism. She recounts the surreal joy of being recognized among friends and peers in legal tech, including fellow nominees like Steve Embry, and how a spontaneous speech turned out to be one of the night’s highlights. The duo reflects on how events...

Nov 03, 202541 minSeason 1Ep. 325

Trust at Scale: Nam Nguyen on How TruthSystems is Building the Framework for Safe AI in Law

Artificial intelligence has moved fast, but trust has not kept pace. In this episode, Nam Nguyen , co-founder and COO of TruthSystems.ai , joins Greg Lambert and Marlene Gebauer to unpack what it means to build “trust infrastructure” for AI in law. Nguyen’s background is unusually cross-wired—linguistics, computer science, and applied AI research at Stanford Law—giving him a clear view of both the language and logic behind responsible machine reasoning. From his early work in Vietnam to collabor...

Oct 29, 202534 minSeason 1Ep. 324

Data Debt, Diversity, and the Business of Law: A Conversation with BigHand’s Catherine Krow

Few people understand the intersection of legal practice, data analytics, and diversity like Catherine Krow , Managing Director of Diversity and Impact Analytics at BigHand . In this episode of The Geek in Review , hosts Greg Lambert and Marlene Gebauer sit down with Krow to trace her journey from a high-powered trial lawyer to an influential legal tech leader. After seventeen years at firms like Orrick and Simpson Thacher, Krow’s turning point came when a client challenged her team’s billing af...

Oct 20, 202543 minSeason 1Ep. 323

Fighting for Your Light: Anusia Gillespie on AI, Legal Innovation, and the Soul Toll of Law

This week we are joined by Anusia Gillespie , Enterprise Lead at vLex and debut novelist, as she shares her unique vantage point on the intersection of legal technology and the human side of law. Anusia traces her journey from commercial real estate finance attorney to global innovation leader, with roles at Harvard, UnitedLex, and Eversheds Sutherland, all driven by a mission to help lawyers by rethinking the systems they work in. Along the way she discovered that business-of-law blind spots, l...

Oct 06, 202530 minSeason 1Ep. 322

Building Consistent AI for Contract Review with LegalOn's Daniel Lewis

Daniel Lewis joins us this week to trace a path from Ravel Law to LexisNexis to LegalOn , with a throughline of data-driven thinking and practical outcomes for lawyers. Stanford roots shaped early work on judicial analytics, then a front-row view inside a global publisher broadened focus to content, guidance, and the daily reality of in-house teams. That experience pointed straight at contract review as a top pain for corporate counsel, which led to LegalOn’s product mission and global push. Dat...

Sep 29, 202541 minSeason 1Ep. 321

The Models Are the Product: Gabe Pereyra on Building an AI Associate and Matter-Centric Workflows

This week, we talk with Gabe Pereyra, President and co-founder at Harvey, about his path from DeepMind and Google Brain to launching Harvey with Winston Weinberg; how a roommate’s real-world legal workflows met early GPT-4 access and OpenAI backing; why legal emerged as the right domain for large models; and how personal ties to the profession plus a desire to tackle big societal problems shaped a mission to apply advanced AI where language and law intersect. Gabe’s core thesis lands hard, “the ...

Sep 22, 202538 minSeason 1Ep. 320

Wolters Kluwer’s Suzanne Konstance on Trust, Compliance, and the Next Phase of Legal AI

This week we sit down with Suzanne Konstance, Vice-President and General Manager for Legal and Regulatory US at Wolters Kluwer . She outlines how the company supports professionals in highly regulated fields with software and authoritative content. Operations span multiple countries with a deliberately local approach, where teams design solutions for each market. Listeners get a clear view of scope, from enterprise legal management to recent additions such as Brightflag, alongside deep subject e...

Sep 15, 202535 minSeason 1Ep. 319

KM&I Meets Legal Tech Connect: Two Tracks, One Community with Patrick DiDomenico and Kevin Klein

This week we are joined by Patrick DiDomenico and Kevin Klein , two longtime builders of knowledge programs and legal tech gatherings. They walk through the evolution of KM&I for Legal , now entering year three, and the debut of its co-located counterpart, Legal Tech Connect . Both events run in New York on October 22 and 23, with a single community, two distinct agendas, and one big goal, stronger conversations across buyers, builders, and backers of legal tech. Patrick traces the roots, fr...

Sep 08, 202554 minSeason 1Ep. 318

Pit Crews, Seven C’s, and AI: Mirat Dave and Danish Butt from Swiftwater & Co.

This week we are joined by Mirat Dave and Danish Butt of Swiftwater & Co. as they step into the studio to make a simple claim, investigations and legal operations should serve the business, not slow the business. Mirat traces a path across law, technology, and global risk, then explains why a team blending strategy with implementation drew him to Swiftwater. Danish shares a wry origin story from early e-discovery days and outlines Swiftwater’s north star, the seven C’s, connecting, caring, c...

Sep 02, 202551 minSeason 1Ep. 316

The Cytator Strikes Back: Kara Peterson & Rich DiBona On Descrybe’s Fresh Take on Legal Research

This week, we welcome back Kara Peterson and Rich DiBona of Descrybe to talk about the company’s rapid growth and its expanding role in legal research. Since their last appearance, Descrybe has not only built out new tools but also entered academia by joining the curriculum of more than 350 universities around the world. Kara reflects on her earlier career in legal education and how this new partnership feels like coming full circle. Together, she and Rich share how Descrybe is positioning itsel...

Aug 25, 202540 minSeason 1Ep. 315

Pablo Arredondo and Joel Hron on Reasoning Models, Deep Research, and the Future of Legal AI

In this episode of The Geek in Review, we welcome back Pablo Arredondo , VP of CoCounsel at Thomson Reuters, along with Joel Hron , the company’s CTO. The conversation centers on the recent release of ChatGPT-5 and the rise of “reasoning models” that go beyond traditional language models’ limitations. Pablo reflects on his years of tracking neural net progress in the legal field, from escaping “keyword prison” to the current ability of AI to handle complex, multi-step legal reasoning. He describ...

Aug 18, 202557 minSeason 1Ep. 314

Tom Martin on the Five Levels of Legal AI and What GPT-5 Means for the Future of Law

This week, we welcome back Tom Martin, CEO of LawDroid , to discuss his widely read “AI Law Professor” column for Thomson Reuters and his five-level roadmap for legal AI. Martin explains that the framework was inspired by a leaked OpenAI memo and aims to give legal professionals a clearer picture of AI’s trajectory. The five levels range from basic chatbots to fully AI-run organizations, with intermediate stages such as reasoners, agents, and innovators. According to Martin, while we are still i...

Aug 11, 202531 minSeason 1Ep. 313

The Wild West of AI: A Legal Tech Reckoning with Ken Crutchfield

This week, we welcome longtime friend and legal tech veteran Ken Crutchfield , founder of Spring Forward Consulting . Ken brings his extensive experience from major legal information vendors like Thomson Reuters, Bloomberg, and Wolters Kluwer into a timely and candid discussion about the current phase of artificial intelligence in the legal industry. Comparing today’s generative AI surge to the American Industrial Revolution, Ken describes this moment as the “Wild West” era—full of promise, hype...

Aug 04, 202548 minSeason 1Ep. 312

Closets, Carpentry, and Cybersecurity with ACTFORE's Christian Geyer

This week, we welcome Christian Geyer, founder and CEO of ACTFORE , for a deep dive into the world of automated breach response. From his early days in military intelligence to founding a disruptive forensics firm, Christian shares how his diverse experiences shaped a data‑driven approach to tackling one of corporate America’s thorniest problems: managing the chaos of a data breach. Along the way we hear about secret clearances, cabinet making, and the humble beginnings of a startup launched fro...

Jul 28, 202550 minSeason 1Ep. 311

Max Junestrand and Ilona Loginova: How Cleary Gottlieb & Legora Are Redefining Legal Work

This episode explores Cleary Gottlieb's strategic alliance with Legora, an AI-first legal workspace, highlighting how their partnership redefines legal work. Ilona Logvinova and Max Junestrand detail the integration of AI for enhanced collaboration, efficient document review, and the development of intelligent workflows. They also discuss Cleary's multi-pronged AI strategy, the importance of user experience in adoption, and their vision for the future of legal tech, emphasizing AI as a co-worker that elevates human involvement.

Jul 21, 202547 minSeason 1Ep. 310

Vable's Matthew Dickinson on Current Awareness in the Age of GenAI

In this episode, we welcome Matthew Dickinson , CEO and founder of Vable , to discuss the rapidly changing landscape of legal information and current awareness. Matthew reflects on how, until recently, current awareness in law firms relied heavily on manual curation, Boolean searches, and email alerts—often resulting in information overload and a lack of personalization. With the advent of generative AI, expectations have shifted dramatically. Lawyers now want more than just a flood of articles;...

Jul 14, 202539 minSeason 1Ep. 309

Trevor Quick on Harvey.ai as the Utility Belt for Lawyers

In this week's episode of The Geek in Review , Greg Lambert flies solo while co-host Marlene Gebauer enjoys some well-deserved relaxation. Greg welcomes Trevor Quick , Strategic Business Development lead at Harvey.ai, to discuss one of the most talked-about companies in legal tech today. With a staggering $300 million Series E funding round and a $5 billion valuation, Harvey is rewriting the narrative of what legal AI can be, as well as who it is for. Trevor, a longtime listener turned guest, br...

Jul 07, 202534 minSeason 1Ep. 308
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