What More Can You Take?

Maybe another episode, how about you, James? Oh, Man, mine was the grand baby. You know, I'm raising my my daughters. Sean. I've been having me four years, so a little over a year. Every weekend is me and him. That's a beautiful thing. Yeah, every weekend. But last week, man, you wore this incredible T shirt, not even a T shirt, was a button down shirt, right, just a T shirt. And on the back of the T shirt you had some rest in pieces. Uh, some of the homies that

were closely associated with you and death Row records. Yeah, well everybody on the back of the T shirt was close to me. Um, I've knowing these guys for years and you know they lost their lives. Uh dinner with the the Ends and out of death Row and all the bs that's going on. So I was just sitting back thinking of actually doing a T shirt for our podcast, and the guy that did it put um documentary on the front instead of against the chronicles. So it turned

in to be for for for the documentary. But my whole thing was how do I get these guys out here and so people don't forget them and forget what everybody went through. So instead of just being selfish and putting my brother on the T shirt and saying his Alta mcdonaldy lost his life, you know, through death Row, I sent him to get all of them. I had passionate love for all of these guys, so I had it hooked up. I had more faces to put on there.

But it was just like a promo, something to see how to turn out and how everybody would like it. And everybody was. They loving it. They want to order T shirts. Everybody said that was that was a good look, and I appreciated that. So now I have people want to buy the T shirt. I'm telling everybody that there's no way where I can sell that T shirt and to benefit off of that. To me, it is like benefit of from my brother. Well, you can sell the

shirt and then give the proceeds to an important cause. Well, what I did was hook my one of my homeboys. This is in Detroit, UH, Chicago, UH, New York, all over the place. They all these guys is hitting me up, and he got linked to all of them. So all of these guys and these girls are pretty much put centing in their sizes for the shirt. And I hooked him up directly with the guy that's doing the shirt. So I'm not getting the dime out of it. I

don't want to dime out of it. So everybody, I have that shirt, and everybody you you never forget these guys. You'll never forget them. Now, for those let me go, because if you know anything about James and history, you'll ever listened to are step point on Firth. You know he's gonna be a mad brother in a couple of years with somebody. Make a whole bunch of money off some man. You do it. You got what you're writing, and he'll fight is uh and getting money to lawyer.

You do it. I know that. Well, for those who want to check out the shirt. We got pictures posted on the Gangster Chronicles Instagram page, and we got close ups, and let me just describe the shirt a little bit. There's five people. Even though there's more than five people that lost their lives, you put five on the back of the shirt. And there are pictures of all five of those on the Instagram page. And let's just talk about those five people. Let's start off with a person

number one, Wardale Pucci Fuss died July three. Pucci was remembered, you know, part of the UH security on death Road. Me and him was cool. Uh, we never really hung out and this and that. But his his his whole thing was the same as everybody else. He was killed over the same thing. So everybody on that shirt was killed basically for the same purpose. And I can I'm gonna try to elaborate on that in a minute. But um,

Reggie knew more Pucci than I did. But I chose to put him on there because Pucci and I didn't see eye to eye. But that don't mean just because he'd gone, I just erasing. So I put him on there so people wouldn't think that I was being selfish or being a biggest uh hating. So I put him on there so they can see that because a lot of people out there still like Pucci, love Pucci, so I put him. I put him on there too. The

next shirt is gonna have eight. The next shirt is gonna have chin and And I just want people to see that this right here, everything that happened to death Row, it didn't only affect me, It affected everybody. All these guys got mama kids, grandmama's uncle's affected everybody. So just wearing that shirt, it lets whomever that don't even know you see how these guys died and when they died. And that's what the shirt tell you. You don't have to ask who is Bunchy, who was hand off? The

shirt tells itself. You spoke about Fusts is what faults. Some people know him Darnielle Bolton, but you and he's better known. And and I'm saying, Reggie is just this Reggie opinion. And Reggie just saying that no one else here is that that he's responsible for the murder of Biggie Small. How sure? How how sure do you feel

about that? Well? None of us sure, But that's what I believe from the investigation that was done by l APD Task Force with along with the FBI, the d A and all of that that you can find the whole detail and then the book murder route then by Gray Cating's are you over that he was involved in the biggiest killing? Yes? Was he the driver of the Green s S. He was the only occupant of the vehicle, And I guess a lot of people might have some

some negative to say about him if that's true. Well, you have the people out there, they want to believe the Derby cops, the Rampart cops and all of that that has something to do with it, with the David mc and all of that. But that's this old white man that had nothing to do with the Tupac or the Biggie case that's pushing that narrative. Well, I think David Mack also owned the exact same car and maybe that's why a lot of people linked his name to

the killing the Biggie. So, well, now we're gonna say a cop, it's gonna be stupid enough to drive by assassination on someone in his own vehicle. Okay, all right, Yeah, I think we have heard of cops dirty cops involved in shooting personal vehicle whatever was him, But he robbed man. He wasn't in his own personal on that incident. He

rented a vehicle and and and he's another car. Yeah, but listen, just um, David mc walked into the Bank of America on jeffersonim and Clintock and rob seven hundred thousand dollars that has never recovered as an l ap D officer. That's crazy. I'm not saying nothing about dirty cops. I'm not saying he wasn't dirty. I'm just saying he what was his motive to have an assassination on small I think that, Um, there is a lot, a lot of evidence that probably points more to Mr Wardell, But

I don't know for sure. You know, though, I'm not sure like you are. I'm hey, he's a killer. You know. I wouldn't put it past Pucci. I'm in the man gone. I'm not gonna sit there and put more smut on him than he already got. Uh. The guy was it was it was a hitter and and and he he did that kind of well, I mean, I wouldn't put it past you. Well, you're a little hesitant. I'm putting him on the on the shirt, because you've had at least a dozen people you could have put on there.

But I wanted the first shirt to say that I wasn't okay Pucci and I was gonna put George on one and behind bars, but I said, now that ain't a good look. But yeah, I was kind of like hesitant to do it, but then I said, this is me, this is what I want people to see. So I put him on there. I didn't it didn't matter. So everybody see it and it's like, wow, you put Pucci up there, and then Pucci have something to do with your brother. I was corrected by Reggie that he wouldn't

even there at the time. He was not getting along with with George at the time, so that that pretty much shield to deal for me to put him on there. So yeah, and we'll go into the next person where Pucci was in the car when he got shot up with Chen. Well, go ahead, and he's gonna tell us a little bit about Chien. William Chinn Walker. He was killed April seven, April four, two thousand. He was thirty seven years old. James, Yeah, Chim was Chim was my

cousin's my first cousin's boyfriend. Uh, I met him a couple of times wherever that wouldn't even been around him. My cousin had some no functions at the house that I would go to and he would be there. Uh, real cool guy, real cool guy. Wasn't you know, a loud person, you know, be real cool. And from the times we met, he was always like, what you need, what you need, I got you, I got it, No, y'all in my house, I got this. So he was always cool. So I wanted to make sure he was

on there. Uh. My people looked at it and just like, y'all still remembering him. Yeah, I remember all of these guys from there. It's like a nightmare that won't go away. Yeah, I remember all these guys so real. Good brother. And he was with he was with Pucci when he was killed, when he got killed and he was shotting injured. Actually him and Pucci were best friends at the time, and that's what killed me because I thought Pucci switched on

Chin and and had him killed. So I mean, I'm thinking one way, but it didn't actually go that way. And my cousin even said that they were best friends. He wouldn't do him like that. So even though Pooch was in the car with him, you thought maybe there was a chance that he was involved in that, even though he got shot too, only because that that that Pucci was like got one hunter with George and they

was like tight. So whatever George did, I I'm you know, it leads you to believe we're not great set up here Bill George up like he was the one that he was tight with. And the reason that they all were associated with was because of this food Roger Reed they called Little Rod, who was the main connect out there with the drugs, and they all was working for him. Well, I mean it just goes to say that once those

guys started hanging together, he one do something. They all guilty to me, and if you go out the one, you gotta go at all of them. No loose sands. Alright, Any any last thoughts on on Shin. What do you think of Reggie that he put him on the shirt? Well, I had no problem with I of history and to know that, you know, people was fascinated with these characters and the individuals and so hey, that's how you get to know it. That's how you shoot rumors and and

and bullshit. Down, just put out by people that in my line, in my mind, had nothing to do with the guys or even knew what they were if they walked in and slapped them in their face while they're sitting at the restaurant, and that likes to speak on him. So, out of the five on the shirt, Sin was killed first out of the five and two thousand. I believe she was still in prison. He didn't. He wasn't released yet when that one happened, correct, and he I think

it was released two thousand one. Uh, he was released August the third, two thousand and one. So let's go on to the third person on the shirt, David brim Dave Dudley March one. He was killed this one I've been I've been knowing this little guy, his brother, his big brother is is my home where it was one hundred since the third grade. They lived across the street from the school and uh from Stephen C. Foster, and I always thought a little Dave was gonna be from

the hood because they lived there. But they moved and the next time I've seen him he was Brim Dave. He's a grown man now. And me and Tim Tom hung out so much that man, this this guy right here. So when I put a little Dave on the on the shirt, little Davy was killed in front of my house sixteen o nine. He's killing and and he was coming to pretty much let my brother know that these guys got a hit on him. And somebody went back and told them that little Dave was was are like

family to us, which they didn't know. Nobody knew Dave knew our family and was that clote So the same these guys setting waited until he walked out to the house with him and his girlfriend, and when he went to put his key in the car, they pulled up, got out and spread him with a k I think little Davy was shot twenty three times. He was lit up. Yeah, his girlfriend was shot. I think did she lose on she lost her arm. She thank god she she was pregnant and she had shaved your kid. But he was

killed right in front of our house. Man, And this was done. My grandmother's house was right next door. Caused them to move out to him. And after that happened, a matter of fact, they end up selling their house two bunch to Uh Jane's sister Uh because they had to get out of there because it was like there were so many shots that was fired at that location

they thought there was a war going on. But well they actually had two eight k's and they shot him up with two eight k's showed imagine looking at his body right there by the door. You know what I'm saying. That's two shooters. Yeah, yeah, in a vand doors open. Anything about a guy that loves with the m o of having a van and shooting up people with the a K then you know who did who's responsible for that? We all know who it is, um. And it was a result of sending a bunch of you a message,

is what it really was about. From a law enforcement on point of view. Yeah, where they actually let a little David know, we know what you're doing, we know you over here. Yeah, but they followed them over there to shoot him lift dog. Well, I mean, I ain't going to speak with you and go back and forth, but we had a guy in the neighborhood that was basically scared and he was going back and forth with with intail and and a couple of these guys that

should be shoulder. What happened when you got half as lawyer cat on your team and you feed him, but then he goes to the next cat for five more dollars than what you've given me, and then he telling everything. So it was it was it was a sad day. And for him to die like that, I mean, you never want to see nothing like that in your life. Um, you say overkilled, you know. And this is all in

the result of the next person on your list. Now, were you maintaining relationships with law enforcement and Compton where you were able to find out what was going on even though at this time he was working as a death row employee. Yeah, my father was still employed with the Lost Tallem the Sheriff's Department, uh, during some of this, and he was running the game unit and the homicide unit during some of these with when it was Compton p D. So most of these, if not all of them,

are unsolved or open cases. Yeah yeah, alright, well you know they basically took it. Well, the person that's responsible for most of them is doing life in jail, yeah for something else though, it don't matter. He's in jail for life, all right. So the next person you had on your shirt, James was Henry after one to events is not on the shirt but we could talk about

we'll come back to vent. Henry Hendog Smith thirty three was killed on October two thousand two, and it was credited with designing probably the most famous logo and music history Exactly hand Up lived at our house. Most of the most of the guys in the neighborhood lived at our house at one point in time. Um, he was, man, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't want to Just me and James have different opinions on on on this incident. Umhn Dog left work, left death Row records.

Um he was working in the graveyard show. Uh, watching the building at night. I was going from death Row at that time and my security was going as well. From death Row. There we talking about the building on seven and Wilshire. Yes, two hundred Willsher. I mean it's really eight two hundred. It's really an address in the l A on seven Sinte. But somehow we got got the address or eighty two hundred Willsher, which I owned.

I was downer of that building. Um. But anyway, Um, he was going home on his way home and uh he stopped at a gym. Dadny taken over on imperiod in Vermont in the Denver Lanes area. This where where James and I differ. Um, I believe Uh, he was setting in the car, his kid was in the back seat of the car, and um, they were going they were looking for an apartment in that area. Uh, they didn't have cell phones. Most people don't know back in

the nineties it's hard to have cell phones. But still if they wasn't, as in everybody here like we have him now. And so they stopped at the phone boot and his girl got on the phone to call someone, and someone rolled up on the bicycle while he was sitting in the car on the driver's side and shot and killed him with his kid in the back seat. I believe the reline is responsible. However, James, to my opinion, as from conversations we had before, I think he differs

on that. Now, was it expected that hand dog was gonna be at this location? Was a lesson? Some people would suspect his woman of setting him up. Every guy on his paper was followed, everybody was shut up. And then would you agree with that? I agree with the Only reason that I don't is because of the bicycles. But go ahead, well, I mean the bio single. I mean, I mean the way hand dog was my little brother. Hand dog became a little cousin to us, to mom, James,

Jimmy room, a bunch of reality, my mother to my sister's. Uh, hand dog had a key to our house. He came in and left when he wanted to. That was our little brother. And read you've never seen him hurt nobody unless it was on some like some real bey at some real ship. Um they killed him, Um, somebody felt the need to kill him. You know what I'm saying to just a disrespectful kill as my brother. Yeah, now he was was he was he in Vegas the day

Park was killed? Was he in the lobby? No? Okay, some people said he was, probably, but he wasn't one of the ones in now okay, all right, Well, another open case unsolved l A p D. Don't blame that one on Come, no, I'm not blaming it on anyone. Up. I don't blame the police for any unsolved cases because you don't know the specifics of it. But the last person on your shirt, James is William chin Walker April four, two thousand. I'm sorry, your brother is the last person

on the shirt. Your blood brother, you're the guy that you you introduced him to Sugar, and um, it's obviously you put him on the shirt because that's your bro. And I didn't want to just put him on the shirt. Let me every time, every every time I get here, I get cheeriot and ship someone trying to do this one without it. H Uh. Me and Bunchy fought all the time over half of the ship that was going

on with death Bro. I never expected for him to lose his life, bringing him and and and telling him that, Okay, got a spot for you, bunch with George. None of these guys new ship. You might have knew of him, but you never that would ship. Never, Um, bunch of the whole thing was, Okay, I got a job. I ain't gotta do what I was doing. I ain't got to violate my parole no more, which he was doing that every day he walked out to damn house. He was violating he was doing something. Uh, flying out of

time with Sugar or whatever. But I mean, you know your brother, and when he died, I pretty much said it was my fault that that he's gone. Um, well, because you introduced him to Sugar in the first place.

That and that if if me and Ouncon would like physically fought a couple of fights we had, then I think he would have seen the picture and seeing what I saw coming, what I saw coming, and he thought it was easier if I walked away when I when I was done with sugaring them, it was it was more for him to do him and the way he was getting down, and man, my brother, he wouldn't have saint,

none of us was. You know what I'm saying. You know, it's just cold that my brother was killed by the things that I represented, the thing said I believe in solely believed in. And maybe if my brother wouldn't have been killed by the homies, I would probably be in the same still doing the same ship I was doing. I'd probably be over the in the hood, the big homie. But um, I just I just thought doing the shirt and putting them on the shirts. I'm just gonna always

remember my brother. And that's me letting them know that I'm still here. You didn't go away in a year. You you You're still here. I'm still thinking on that for the kids, James, and why you said you will still be over there and while you got away elaborated, because that's the point that that's gonna go over a lot of people here, which mean while you walked away from the hood or why you uh don't don't deal with the guys that are still over there in the

hood like that. Well, I would basically be a damned food if I stayed in the hood nor him would killed my brother? Uh? Being a blood wasn't my purpose would not was and killing bloods I was involved in the total opposite bloods was. I didn't have problems with bloods uh for the last seventeen years. Nothing. It don't matter to me right now, you know. Um, let's just out and changed my life man, and saying that. And you you you expressed that to me before that you

still love the neighborhood. You just can't hang with him can be a part of anything that killed something of mind? Um, what do you think that you're putting too much of the guilt on yourself because I mean, blaming yourself for a homicide that you had nothing to directly to do with. I think it's putting too much blames. He's not saying what he really want to say about he wanted to make James pulled me to the side and told me, Reggy,

get away from this ship. You need to get away from this Well, he called me junie um because that's what most people that I grew up will call me because I was a junior, and they said Juni. But he's like a little red junior. Get away from this ship. That's it ain't worth that Nigga ain't right, that Nigga is playing niggas against each other. And so if held told me that who was like a brother, you know

what he really told his real brother. And that's what the guilt that he has is that he didn't make him and pull him aside and really show him the examples of how the dude was playing us against each other. We had the talks and everybody out there, no if if I've been shot by crips four times, four different occasions, not not my homies, no my not my cousin's Alton was killed by the homies cats that I'm sitting here talking about slipping my house, had keys to my house,

slipping the same motherfucking room together. And then this is the result of what I get from being who I am and what I'm doing. I'm giving these guys one a hunted. I'm I'm taking a penitentiary chance. I went to the penitentiary for the neighborhood. I disrespected my mother from my neighborhood. I disrespected my sisters everything. The hood was everything to me. Everything to me. Man, And when

you're when when just betrayal? Brother, just betrayal. And I'm getting a lot out of it now I'm posted, you know, sitting back playing my gunn saying I should go out and do this and do that. But what good am I if I I did something? Man? Who would have my grandson? Now? I got him because I didn't. And I'm and I'm thankful for that. Man. That's like, that's powerful because not everyone's gonna react or respond in the

same way when they lose a brother. And I think you should be commended for how you handled it then and how you continue to handle it. Right. Oh, I totally agree. I I respect and I commanded. And that's why I want all of this that we're doing to work for more so James than myself, because the show that getting away and walking away is the right thing, and there's something good and positive to happen out that

I like that. I know a lot of people are sitting back and wondering why uh um Mountrey got killed by one of the homies or something like that. And we'll get into that later. There's something dealing with the incident with Vincent Buchanan, but we don't touched on this death rail stuff too much. And I know we want to get on get on another topic. We'll chuch on it. We promise you guys will touch on the Vincent Buchanan

situation before we move on to that. I just want to ask both of y'all, did you guys personally ever feel threatened that you was next, like maybe you can get caught in the mix. Well, like I said, we'll talk about the Vescin Buchanan situation because it was my name, it was sig name, and it was a bunty name

that was on the list. For the reason that suspect that I kept my pistols on me twenty four hours a day, no matter where I went, every day for the last from from from two thousand and two to now. I don't go nowhere without it. I don't want to hear nobody tell me nigger you woo, I don't have it. I'm gonna kill you and be done with it. I don't got no time for conversation. I'm I'm just being good with with this here, with this here, all of these guys. I have moved on. I'm I'm raising my

grandkids now. Uh. I'm in a good place. Just let me stay in a good place. And everybody happy, everybody happy, all those guys that won the game. Bang, y'all got that. Y'all got that. Y'all can do that. Y'all don't have me in fear and none of that. Y'all do what y'all do. I just say, for for for cats the field that they got loosens or whatever. I've been winning seventeen years to be and Lucien, I've been waiting seventeen years.

Do you think there's still some residual like hatred still going on in the streets related to what was going on in two thousand and one, two and three, or can we say most of this conflict is over that that part nigger still like to talk behind our backs or not so much money, because everybody know what my situation wants. But behind James back, because he is like he turned his back up on the hood on the left the hood. But He's pretty much saying, leave me alone,

and I'll leave you guys alone. Funk that blood and blood out stuff. I still love the hood, I still love where I grew up at. But leave me alone. Haven't I done enough? Haven't I lost enough? Has he? I like that? I'm gonna use that in the next I feel better now. Excuse me for crowding in front of you, miss lady. I didn't. I don't normally do that, but it's it's just a touchy subject for me because I think about my brother every day. Every day when I see my nephew, when I see his grandkids that

he never got a chance to see. Um, it's always a what if if Alchin was here to be loving them girls, they'd be on their granddaddy. My daughter was the only niece he had that can go in the backyard. He raised pet bulls and they were some vicious dogs. My daughter would go back there with him. Them dogs when barking, heard them dogs when stretched at her. She would get on the backs of them and ride them, letting one of the boys. My nephews go back there,

they'd be ready to eat they that's up. But he was at a special little bound with my daughter that she loved animals to death right now to day, right now to day. So you know just the impact of of of of auxins um and I'm and I want everybody. No, there's nothing like a brother. There's no such word as my my brother's keeper. I came watch him all the time. I'm not there. I wasn't there when this happened, because

if I was, it might turned out different. But you know, these guys killed him at a gas station pumping his gas. You know, he didn't even see it coming. So no, no, no, Um, I got it just to clear up some records. Some rumors out there that when I'm always talking about the old white man, uh, that people have been you know, because we've been quiet on these subjects for so long. Uh, they got stuff from Nick Nix misconstrued, uh, mixed up,

messed up, sucked up, whatever the word is. But buntry was in my car, uh, my vehicle that was owned by me. Um. But there's been rumors out there that we didn't heard that we you know, gonna go ahead and clear up now for those that's been misguided and mislead when they said my father, Reggie Sr. Who was the captain that the shared well captain at City Company Police Department was in the vehicle with him. No, he

was not in the vehicle when Bunty got killed. He wasn't the one running down the street when he got killed, shot and kill. The only thing that we had that was involved in with that situation at that gas station was the vehicle was owned by me, which then there half like I told you earlier, the building that death Row own was owned by me. The publishing music publishing on most of the songs that was later released was

owned by me. Uh. The the automobiles that ship drove around pretty much in every day, about five of them was owned by me. So and Buntry was this guy and we decided to get him a two thousand and

one Denalie that was owned by me. Was that an issue for you, James, that he was old in a car that belonged to not at all, I mean, but on the reason that the subjects brought up because people out there put it out Reggie Senior because they knew what I was, so they you know, Reggie Senior was in the vehicle when when he got killed, and it was a setup that was all ps. But we know he was in the car with him, But Reggie Senior and Junior, his whole family. Uh always been good to us.

We've we've always had a close bond. They lived hours away from us. Yeah, Aunty lived in the house in the middle of us Jackie and jack and any them and then your mom and dad house. We used to go to his grandma name house and go to grocery stores for him and and pick avocados out of trees for his grandma and granddad. Um. I would never think that that they would have anything. And everybody know that that's not at you right, get down. So everybody that's

thinking like that, I thought, like that is stupid. But we could be manipulated, and YouTube and people with DVDs and stuff like that can manipulate and they just throw something out and to become factual. And then you wouldn't believe how many people out there would be like, oh ready, seen was in the car when don't you gotta killed and he ran and took off friend and left him. What can't believe that? I couldn't believe that. That is a crazy rumor. It is now that's the five people

on the back of your shirt. James but we're gonna just mention one more person, Vince V. Buchanan, because he's closely associated with with with so you're gonna make us talk about it that real quickly. Was a good friend of mine. Uh over there in through town neighborhood. Uh. I go over there and go to house parties over there back in the days and get a dice game going. I'm watching this back he watching mind. He was a

real good brother. And when he was killed, man, it was like what the you know what I'm saying now. It was it was this city here was just getting so out of hand because you had guys going to different neighborhoods, popping up in different neighborhoods, giving them ultimatums on either join us or you know, or lay down or you're you're done situation. You know. Vincent was one of the guys wouldn't having it. I never seen him

in involved in none of this to my knowledge. So when I heard about Viscing being killed, I was piste off. I was I was mad at everything that had to do with death Row. I was so piste off. Uh. I had to go visit Shild I had to. I had to cuss my brother out. I had to, I mean everything that was only I had to get at them because man, this this is a good cab right here, This is a good dude right here, and that must

happen later because it was in prison went on. I hated everybody, so I know where everybody was at the way. I just don't want to know what I'm saying. I acting nothing has something to do with what I'm saying is I was mad at death row. I was mad at bunching them because when it first came out, it was said that should had it done. So that's enough for me. But we got cleared up now. But no vising viscing was a was a I think this was two years older than me. He was he was a

good brother. Everybody that lost their lives during this situation and and everything else, all of these cats were givers. That was givers. You. You didn't have not one of these cats that sit in the fact with you and say let me hit that drink. They either ball drink, bald that we did this. They was all givers. No sit back, let me hit that cigarette kind of nigger. All of these guys were good guys that was with it, and they all contribute to their hoods, to to to

to the parroot card. They all represented well. And this is this is where I say, is a damn shame because a lot of the good guys lost their lives. Not none of the weenie guys. Not none of the guys that are sitting out here and and with the funny ship, None of those guys. Everybody is under the rock when these cast is getting killed, and when these cats getting killed, there's no retaliation, Well you wanna retaliate on you're killing your own people. Now it's time to go. Now,

it's time to quit. But you know, I'm so furiated today that my brother's name, my brother won't quit and we wouldn't walk away from him this ship, you know what I'm saying. So now I hear my baby brother on this list. Oh fun let me go. How that this dude ship you near me go? Because it's time for him to go because if he ain't here, ain't no more cash being put out. He can't pay for this ship. So let me cut the head off this chicken, you feel me? So this is a whole different another story,

but that's how it is. And Vincent was a good guy all of these guys I I would I would go to war with. And there's nobody that here, this broadcast can even come in and say none of them guys wouldn't worth a dying, wouldn't worth ship. Is it fair to say that all six of these homicides are death Row related killings? Or is it some of its street ship that's not related to death Row? How would

you characterize these six homicides? All right? Let the visitor Buchanan definitely was something that death Row got blamed for that had nothing to do with with with anything. It was just what happened was Vincent was I was kidnapped, uh by guys that were dressed up like police officers, handcuffed and dropped off in front of a dropped off in front of us in the cemetery, in front of the uh in competent Uh. Why how um? I know?

I understand why my name got brought up in there because of the police aspect and the uh, the handcuffs and all of that. Why buntry name got brought up into it? Why sheok names in story? Let me let me stop you right there. There was one particular cat at at our house while we were playing chess and

drinking our coffee, lip dog. He's sitting here. The comment came up that they had a picture of v uh being killed, and that bunch of is so called his self supposed to had it, so that in particular that person went and took it au point his self to go tell those cats they got a picture. Bunch got a video of h Yeah, Vincent being killed. Yeah, so when that happened, there's only one motherfucker that was in

their lip dog. So this guy now in the police is raising the FBI and everybody raiding the house looking forward. They took computers, they took everything that was a social you know what I'm care, you know what I'm saying. So yeah, it's just safe to say all of these guys is tied into it, and not even the guys that we got here. There's bam, bam, bam and bam. Let me tell you from the law enforcement aspected how

all of this ties in. David Brown is the guy that was suspected of being the brim was suspected of the brim. Dave was suspect could have been the uh, the shooter, or one of the guys that tortured and kidnap bits that's in Buchanan. Who house he hanging at now going to visit Buntries police, and who's running there for at the time because she was in prison when this happened. Reggie and the handcuffs and all of that.

You're getting blamed for some of this stuff. I said, the three Should because Mountry and myself work for Should and who got the money to do it or for

what reason. I don't know why they think Should has something to do with it, because he didn't other than what James has explained about the VHS tape, for supposedly Buntry was supposedly being watching or had possession of that uh that they heard and so that was piste off Little Rod and Georgia now, and that's why I said earlier that they made an example or they shot Brown

in front of Mountry house sending them a message. Was this VHS tape a real thing or just I never saw heard about it it was growing up and said because we was having a conversation in there about everybody getting killed and about the guys that was killed before him and men Bunchery wouldn't say an out of eye because you know, I'm your brother. I'm if somebody do something to you, I got you. You know what I'm saying. So let's be on the same page. These guys just

talking this and that on you. So the conversation came up. I said, watch a bunch of and I mentioned that live dogs sitting on the couch in the living room. We're sitting at the table in the kitchen playing chess. And the next thing you know, uh here come uh top Cat and and somebody else come to the house talking about and Little Rode talking about it. And after that the fans came. They raided. Now every all hell

is breaking loose. They want this tape. They're going to everybody looking for this tape to people really believe it was. And I was the one that put it out there and said that to live Live heard, and it makes it seem like all of this is condensed and right next to each other. But you gotta understand that all of this is spread it apart. What they Didncekinning where you don't have it in front of you. But Vining I killed that they can ninety eight. We're talking two

thousand and I think it was two thousand one. It wasn't that so it wasn't that so all that didn't happen next so mightna be two thousand but right now, right, yeah, So anyway, that's um, that's what's that would be. And rest in peace of all them brothers. And if you want to check out James shirt, go to the Gangster Chronicles Instagram page and there's some pictures of all the

close ups of everyone on that shirt. I mean, we could talk about this for well, well we'll save some of that for another day and let's move on to this week was the anniversary of what I call the Los Angeles Rebellion. Some people call it a riot, they just call it a revolts um. And this is really the early stages of death row right right right when when the uprising happened and peace treaty came out of it from from Watts. And I guess the first question

I have is was the riots? Was the revolt? Was the Was the rebellion a good thing for Los Angeles? Did Los Angeles need a revolt like that to wake up the city officials, to wake up local government, to wake up the police in order for some changes to take place. I said before, it makes cops be more accountable. Uh. I remember after the end of police pursuits, it used to be common or it used to be a common practice to kick ass and and and you got your ass with doctor uh, we had to chase you and

being involved in the pursuit. And it made the riots and all of that made people stop. Uh, cops at least wake up and say, hey, this is not right, this is not how you know, the community want us to be policed. And one policing going on, and so that was something good. All of the people were starting to get the camp carters and the UH and the and the taps and all of that at that time.

And so now things you know, so cops with being um on their toes and behaved, somebody could come out with a beach camera on you butt and take what's going on and if you're doing something wrong, yo, but might go to jail. So that was something that's good and came out and people was being educated. You remember it was a cop from Long Beach, the ex retired cop from Marthon that had that incident in Long Beach,

the one that got his head thrown to the glass. Well, but if you look at it slowly, you'll see he did that, but you know, with his arms. But that's another subject. But but he was still done wrong. He shouldn't have been dead that way, but he in my opinion, you know, I was a law enforcement there, so I think he broke that glass on purpose with his arm. But the whole thing was the contact. How did they bring him out of the car, That was the issue. He had no reason to be bringing this man out

of the car and prescically even doing him like that. Uh, you gotta look at it. At the at that time when they got the guilty verdict, I mean not guilty, everybody was furiated. Like I mean me personally, I'm sitting in the county jail fighting attempt of murder at the time, during the during the verdicts sting the verdict, and everybody started coming in the county jail. But everybody was coming in there for at least trying to shutifire looton are

doing some stupid ship, you know what I'm saying. But I would have been out there doing the same thing if I was out there on the street, because everybody is piste off and this is everybody running the market and doing their thing. So people weren't piste off about that. People were just trying to take advantage of a situation.

That's why you don't think that that black people were piste off, because these white guys got off from being the ship out of black man and they got it on camera on film and then they get a not guilty verdict. It was a lot of black people upset.

But the riots and and and and the destruction of billion dollars of tearing up and burning and all of that was was done because people were just found out the law enforcement came control, that they lost control, and and that numbers have more power than than than than the law there. And that was the basic of that. Um, what's your opinion of why you didn't go to Beverly

Hills and tear it up? If you made but to go to the Simi Valley, you can go, we can you got cars and stuff like that, while you don't go. Not you we called up, We cut off the areas we could. Nothing happened over there with Kymark Shopping Center and the Comptence Swap meet and all of that stuff that the text the places that was bringing money into the pond shop. Uh, Mike's nothing happened into the areas.

Don't don't have the type of people l A people in the area saying, but if you're mad, that's where year ago, you don't gonna chear up what's around you. You shouldn't know. People just took them back. They just saw, hey, it's nothing the police can do. When they saw that man Reginald Dinny getting the ship kicked out of them and beat and no police was coming to respond because they knew that they wouldn't they couldn't do anything and control it. That's when people were like, oh, now you're

talking about the looters. That's but we have people that were burning properties down, the same people. We don't know if those are the same people people, same people, the Chinese, the Asian people. That's all that, all this stuff in Coma at the time. But I read a study that significant amount of the damage was done by Korean owners sales. No, I'm saying a lot of the damage was done to

Korean owned property, Korean owned property. That means it was it was well, we had this had the Natasha Natasha Harlan, the Natasha hard thing where we're still up set behind that where the Asian ladies shot the shot um Miss Harlan's in the back of the head and got probation. I still don't understand the probation. And the jury did their job. The jury found her guilty. If we're mad, why didn't we call that judge? What did we do to that judge? Why didn't we go after that judge?

That's when you people who have to do when you're mad, and people don't They don't have faith in the system, you know. So, but we have people, we have leaders. That's what our leaders supposed to be doing it and do that. But at the time our leaders were Chief Darryl Gates, leader of the l A p D. We had Mayor Tom Bradley. You see how quickly got and and so Tom Bradley. They got rid of Tom Bradley pretty quickly. So I mean that was the beginning of of change in our local government. And I think it

was the change. And your question was wasn't a good thing? And I was just saying the good things that happened from it. Yeah, I mean that to hard law enforced me to do it. That's when they realized, Okay, Darrell gatesway of piolicing is no more and that's when they try to bring Willard Williams in, you know, and they started doing the that's a police what they call it. Community. Yeah, I think that sometimes a city needs a good revolt and needs a wake up call be and that was

worth the destruction. Hey, I mean when you think about how the United States was formed and created from thirteen colonies to fifty states and the cost to build this great country, right exactly, let me ask both of your questions. If you do and they had a riot, what do you think when when send them these police officers? What kind of message would they have perceived out of We got about not gilty and nothing happened. Now, these black people they learned when they were sitting they asked in

that courtroom. And then when they when the Firs after the state dropped, they beat the state case and then the Fears picked it up. That's how you teach people lessons saying they asked to jail or send them through the system. The riots wind make over time and made a whole bunch of money. But it's an unfortunate that they couldn't get a conviction at state court that the Feds had to come in and charge these officers with civil rights violations against Rodney King because the state system

did not work. But they tried. It. Ain't like they just dropped the case. It was d a rejects. Yeah, they Now if you upset that they took them just took it to send me, SENDI Valley. Absolutely, that made Now that's the reason for debate said, well, why did you take it from the peers which we all post begin You know, if our peers and took it to

SENDI Valley, then that's an argument. I guess I'm not sure if that's called a change of venue because it's within the same things in the same county though, right, you know, just like but yeah, that trial should have never took place in Semi Valley. But I guess the prosecution felt so confident in the case because it was on video. We can prosecute this anywhere and get a

guilty verdict. So that means that the that the system does not work in Semi Valley, or it doesn't work with the type of people in Semi Valley, which is a law enforcement town, isn't it for the wasn't so much of the law enforcement town. It was just that just like I told you, We used to think it was okay to um to deal with people the way you did. After the pursuit, you run from the police, make us chase you all over the streets. You got your ass whoop at the end of a pursuit. That

was fat. That was like in writing what was going to happen. But it took that incident being on VHS this thing. Rodney kid probably be just now getting out of jail. If that man would have been videotaping that incident, um or at least he would have did fifteen or twenty years for the invading. And they were trying to get him on a robbery. Uh they I'm sure they would have said he wasn't psisting invading. Uh, they were

trying to make him on a robbery case. They were, They would have would have even got him on the robbery case. He surely would have got resisted arrest, an assault on the police case based on what based on their testimony to justify all of the beatings. But he's getting hit and taste and he's happened. They didn't have a tape he was under I don't I think all

those drug tests were negative. I don't think he was you all don't see on the tables, right, and King got out flicking it off, the police grabbing, grabbing his balls and throwing off. I'm just telling you what what happened. To know that happened if it wasn't on tape because the tape started late. But then, but how do you know what happened before the tape started testimony? I don't

remember the testimony. Yeah, but that's what. Okay, but that's just what, right, That's just something that they're saying to justify who testified. You don't know, it's a big old rape between the LPD and c HP after all of that, because c HP actually had him in custody, there was no need for them there. They just testified and they wasn't a part of the assault. So they used them as witnesses versus informants you know, or you know, the suspect.

They had to get up and testify to how they was treated at the hospital, how he was treated the whole time was the c HP who was against them. They made down witnesses against the l AP. Remember there was a commander named Bostick or Bostwick that actually testified said those those are not the tactics that we train our officers to you in the field. The judge even I believe in federal courts that forty eight of the strikes were justified. There was the ones out the forty

eight that was unjustified. I didn't see the reason for all of those blows because from I understanding, I told you that was normal prior of that, and I was saying that was the good thing that came from from that incident. Well, then cops, real life, Hey, it shouldn't be happening. That's one we learned. Don't be doing that. You're as gonna go to jail you get caught doing that.

But for I understand, the HP was about to handcuff him and take him into custody when l a p D came and then all of the conflict happened after the lap D came. Well, how pursuits usually happened. Wants to come into city streets, the city police take care of it once it's on the freeways, then then the c HP do the pursuing. And so it went off into the city streets, and so that's why the city police took over. But it was was initially on the highway.

It was to c HP was the initiative, the initiators of it, but they pretty much just gave it off the l APD once they went into the city streets. But they could have kept that arrest, can't they. It's where the pursuit begins. They're allowed to end that pursuit no matter what city it goes into. The HP could follow that pursuit wherever, but they're not gonna have to hold all their resource following all the way down the street like that. So that's why you start using the

resource from the other cities. You pass it off. It's like all passing at all. Well, it sounds like you're saying a little bit maybe Rodney King deserved what he got. I can say that. I know, I know you didn't say that, but it sounds as if that's not how if I'm coming off that way, I'm just staying you asked what good came from that, and I'm saying that's what's good came from it because it made cops understand that this is not the right way to doing policing.

Because prior to that, it was like norm that's normal procedure. It wasn't written, but that's what happened. Well, and I'm not saying it was right, but that's whatever. I'm not. That's whatever. It created the largest urban uprising in American history. No, that's not what created it. Not guilty verdicts for what we saw on that video tape, combination of things, the beating. Yeah, the beating didn't create the uprising because it happened, Guilty verdicts.

It was l ap D not going immediately dealing when regin no dn he was getting his bug. What when people realized that, hey, police ain't coming, they ain't doing nothing. Do you all know how long Reginald then he got beat. They were hold to stand back. Cops couldn't even go and respond. We're watching this on TV, this man getting beat. I'm sure any of l all by citizens the one they go and jump into that. But fear allowed them not to no better because he was a white man.

Or what if I was a black man and I lived in that here, I wouldn't wasn't trying to go and stop that, not being a police officer or not. Yeah, but the uprising was already so it didn't starting to after that. They were pocket Parker Center at Parker Center had already started. They were throwing things in the front door that they they had the Ryot cops and and the theber not Reginald Danny. That beating with Reginaldanny is what started that, right, what started that? Right? But I

think the uprising was already in full swing. And and and when when I saw the white boy getting his ass, will be honest, I was like, whoop, there is as I mean, I mean, you might see it different. I mean, I'm I'm looking at it from the street. Shod this dude. These the beat the ship was beating this man. And then the video come out and they're still on the street.

Wait a minute, if that was me beating the white boy and they got it on video, I would be in the penitentiary doing thirty forty years and they probably would have put an ail on it. If you go out to the four Voice for beating that white man, they got found not guilty. No, what're calling? Yeah? I think Damnon did the most time. But eventually they all got out after a while. For god damn, they did the same thing the police did. It's caught on film. Well, y'all,

don't let them out. It's it's it's the man, they get away with it every day, every day. So do you think we've made a lot of progress from James from Yes, I believe so, because I think it would have been way worse if they would have never filmed this happening. And I think that it would have just got worser how the police was treating us back in

them days up until now. Yeah, it probably it's probably been more killings if this wouldn't have happened, because now they got to reevaluate everything that they're doing because they know they might get caught doing it. And and as we see on TV, some of them is getting caught by this. If we didn't have this, they all walked because in the in the eyes of the law, a police officer is not wrong. You noticed that whenever a cop is charged or indicted in these cases, it has

to be on camera. It has it's not the the eyewitness testimony of a civilian is never enough to charge the police. And like nineties something percent of these cases, it has to be on camera in order for the cops to be forced to be accountable for whatever they do. And I think that Rodney king beating is an example of that. Even though they were found not guilty in state court. Uh, they were found guilty in um federal court.

I thought it was amazing back then that actually President George Bush, the first George Bush, he came on TV and said what he saw was deplorable and that they were going to have the Judice Department investigated. But you gotta remember what was happening for six days. You know, he had to end up saying he sent the Marines down. Pete Wilson, who was the government at the time, he

sent the National Guards and the city mayors. This is the fact that the city of Long Beach, Compton, in l a Guardino, they were crying and they were, you know, save our city. They were people were burning their tax basis. You know, it wasn't all the big walmarts and home depots and all that in the city. You had comptence wanted me. You know, we were lucky to have came on National National roof over there. Yeah, just like they did in Beverly Hills. They'd take it. All of that.

All of that happened later though. I'm just saying, yea, make it seem like it happened that day. The people would that smarty. It took a while to go, but yeah, people were starting to get smart to go down to l A and to Beverly Hill. But like James, they posted up there because they had to stop it. But all of that happened, you know, and within that six day time time frame. But I was on the streets, I think three days. The WATS was six days. This

credit for six days. I think the watch Riots of sixty five was six days, and the h ninety two was April nine, and then May one, I think May one. It was a rap right to the April nine, maybe a second, and it took a while for it to die down, but you know, and they could be calling, uh the truths and when the game made were started getting in damage. All right, let me have final quillion dollars damaged, twelve twelve thousand people hurt, I'm sorry, twelve

thousand people arrested, and um something else about sixty people. Yeah, sixty something people die and to two thousand something people hurt and result of the right. Right before we wrapped the show up on off Um asked this final question, do you think that Los Angeles can have another uprising like that? Again? We had nineteen sixty five and then twenty seven years later, we have nineteen ninety two. Could

it happen again in our city? Yeah, if Donald Trump went I'm joking, I'm joking, I'm I'm if Donald Trump went again. I think there's so many distractions that the common citizen has that they're not really focused and eating on on, like the politics of what's going on because everyone's on social media there on your their phones and on Instagram, on Facebook and ninety two, none of this existed when you saw it on the news, ABC News, CBS, and they most of them don't watch TV anymore. Media, Yes,

they do. In the nineties. It was that what made that riot grow. That's when they say him this man getting beat And it wasn't because because it was a white man, like Jay said, It's like people felt, oh, well, it's a white man in his ass, Why is he driving a truck down? Why he got that job anyway? Why the ain't a mean black man with that job anyway?

You know Florence and Normandy. But when they saw they was able to get away and the police weren't doing nothing, that's when people are like, whoa, the police ain't doing anything about this? Just when when when he was getting his ass whooping and snatched up that truck. It was other people getting beach with bad shouldn't bridge and all another ship. They went mad at black folks. They what matter black people? They were the white people. It was white people that he was just a white person that

happened to be in were you we're talking about? The came about and you went to school and start beating up the white kids. W the white kids in our schools. My schooling was white kids. I would say school you went to no, not no. I went to drive too. I went to uh, which Ruth came out when I was saying. They came out next time for you was in the fourth grade and we beat up kids. That's school, all right. Fellas, Thanks for tuning into another episode of

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