To Serve & Protect...

my backgrounds and law enforcement and the police. And then James Mob James, you know, you know where he's from. Matter of fact, I want to give James a shout out. Today is his birthday. I appreciate you coming in for and um spending some time with us on his birthday and because you could have shook us no no, no business. First exactly exactly. And then man, a very very special guest on, Mr Alex Alonzo from Street st TV st TV.

You see, I'm know that that oh you know what you used to call it, well, it used to be street gangs. But I had to, uh, I wanted to introduce my platform to a larger audience, so I kind of sanitized the name. I went from street gangs to street TV. Can you get any bigger? Man? Because you'd be having some good some good episodes. And there's always room for growth, man, there's always um, you know, new things to do, and technology is constantly changing and the

Internet is growing and social media is growing. So yeah, we're going as big as we can get. Well, cool, cool, appreciate your working on I guess well. I can see you've got a lot of respect out there because of the different neighborhoods you'd be going into. Some people say I got a hood pass to every hood, but it ain't really like that. It's just you. You you can

walk in, you got to camp. Hey, I could actually tell you there's a couple of hoods where I'm actually not allowed to go in, like for real, for real. I don't want to get into those specifically, but you know there are some people that they push against what I'm doing, and you know, I got to navigate through that from that. Looking at it, you could be a police type of ship not knowing you, or you could be undercover or not. It ain't even on none of that.

It's about they want to document themselves and they want to control how they're depicted. And even though I have a huge platform and I want to give people in these neighborhoods an opportunity, they feel like we'll do it ourselves. So you know, I respect it, and I go where I'm welcomed basically, but most places I'm welcomed down. Very few problems, um, very few issues. And I love what I do. Cool. Cool. Uh see you want to New York? Yeah,

where are you from? Originally? I was actually born in New York, but I came to l A at the age of eleven and pretty much been here ever since. I came here in the early eighties, and I grew up in the West Adams area. Yeah, and I hit I hit l A right when it's just in the thick of it, you know, as a as a teenager. So I saw all the eighties. Yeah, oh yeah, definitely where are you from? From? In the last ten years?

So you you gotta wear l A had now, Well I switched up to me when when you see me with different hats on, it's really part of my uniform and it's not representing what the logo is. Yeah, okay, well we'll get into the show because you got a lot of knowledge, and you know, first of all, I want to touch you on you got anything or any Nipsey stories, you know what. I actually met Nipsey back in two thousand seven for the first time. I was

working on a TV show. I was working on a pilot for A and E. And I was trying to get a bunch of l A street guy young street guys to be a part of this new show. And I eventually got seventeen people to to shoot for the show, and I wanted Nipsey to be one of those and I wasn't able to get them at the time. For you know, that's a whole another story. But then maybe

a year later they hit me up. His people hit me up and said, hey, you still want to do that interview, and I said, well, initially I wanted him to be on this show that I was doing for A and E. But I'll I would love to interview him for for the platform, and they said, yeah, let's do it. So I ended up interviewing him in February of two thousand nine. And it's one of the oldest

Nipsey Hustle interviews. There's about maybe two that are older than the one I did, so I met him early, gave me his mixtape, Bullets Ain't Got No Name, and people remember he did three. That's why I ended up becoming a fan of him. He did these three amazing mixtapes Bullets Ain't Got No Name, one, two, and three, and that pretty much put him on the map in l A. Everyone's like, man, this guy could rap. I remember telling someone in two thousand eight or nine, this

guy's gonna blow up. I said, this guy is really gonna blow up, and everyone's like, Nah, he ain't gonna blow up. I'm like not. This dude has he has the look, he has the swag. He comes from one of the biggest neighborhoods in l A. So he's got that huge backing, and he's got talent. And he choked like he got an old soul. He does like he got old soul, like he actually been there, like he's been there when slow some boys first came out the

way they used to talk back in the days. That's how I was watching this looking at his interviews, and he talked like he'd been here before. You wouldn't. You wouldn't say he was thirty three years old. You know what I'm saying like like how Tupac talk. I don't know. I think he was smarter than Tupac. Actually, well he's eight years older, that's true. Yeah, that's a good You can't compare year old and expence is totally different from Tupax.

But you could look at Nipsey when he was twenty three, twenty five and a lot of old videos and maybe try to make that comparison. And you gotta remember Tupac came from UH, from Baltimore, the Yard, Oakland and all of the neighborhoods. Well, Nancy just had that on own training right there in south central l A. And he and so he's just gonna keep it about that. And he had, you know, older brother, Tupac Din you know,

have an older brother and all of that. The guide even all of that, Tupac was pretty much the leader of his cruise or his sets what everybody was at when them seeing you know, I kind of had people that you know, to be up under, from Big Hi to UH to his brother Sammy and all of those. And that's a big difference. Yeah. But also Tupac come from a black panther back, come from that, I mean some revolutionaries. He had a lot of uncles and stuff,

but he still was raised by his mama. Yeah, which Nimpsey apparently was too, even though his dad, he said he was in his life a little bit, but I mean a lot. Apparently, I'm gonna give the edge to year old Nipsey over old because because Nipsey was talking about investments, he still haven't. He was talking about business, he was Park was just a part Park was a talented dude and all he talked about was partying, and

han't talking about that at nip Yeah. Yeah, you go go look at some of his very first interview that he did with um the guy from the Bay Area, his name of coming in a second. He was like twenty three years old talking about I'm not gonna be buying this jewelry when I can't afford it yet I need to I need to look at investments. I gotta look at my future. He was twenty three talking like

that and either oh seven or oh eight. So I know a lot of people, might you know, dislike the comment that I gave Nipsey the edge over Pock when it comes to knowledge and intellect. But I'm confident in that twenty five year old nip was just slightly sharper than the year old pop. Did you see the interview that Park did at the age four at the Brotherhood Crusade with Danny Bakewell and that about the three strike laws.

And you know what my favorite part interview was the one he did from prison when he let his hair grow in. I mean, he was actually sharpened at an interview. Man,

It's tough. It's really tough. That was a sharp interview that pot game from prison, you know, but yeah, okay, really one, how do you feel about Nipsey working with the police to get the gangs together and you deal with a lot of gang bangers are attempting to Yeah it never happened, it out, but I mean, well it never happened because he was killed, so we never know

what would have happened that Monday. But he was one of the only ones was working on that get him close to you know, the gangs, trying to you know, cease firing the whole nine. How you feel about it? I mean, you work with a lot of gang members and and some game members might say they're not with it. Somebody say they with it like the ones they are. I mean, how you you think it will work. Well. I commend it for for planning to just have those

discussions with law enforcement. Everyone that works for GRID, g R y D, Gang Reduction, Youth Development, the gang members that are ingrid, they have to work with the police. So we already got over two dozen former slasherformance. They call them informants. We got raping money. They the real game members doesn't active in it and stuff like that.

Have a problem with them, Yeah, they might, they call them snitches, but there's some ogs that are that that have solid names out there that are part of the GRID, that that work with law enforcement, and there's no way around it. Yeah, if you're working with the city, I'm

all for. I'm just telling you know. You know, because when I was doing little guys and out there, and people know my background on both sides, I always know that those guys had got jackets and they didn't respect them or they didn't talk about them about this situation until they got in trouble. Then they wanted to reach out to them and see who they can help. Well, I know about six or seven GRID workers and they're

all solid. They got them in the Jungles, they got them over there and Hyde Park they got him in in West Adams. Even unfortunately twin from rolling these got killed in July of two thousand and eighteen. He was a grid worker and he was a solid guy from forties crib. So there are some really good, uh you know, respectable guys that work with grid, work with the city,

and they're forced to work with law enforces. I mean, there's there's a lot of there's a lot of gang bangers junctions out there that don't know nothing about grid you know what I'm saying that they've never heard of. But it's not about telling the police information about the gang. And I think that might be a misconception that grid workers are not there to inform on other gang members.

There there as like a liaison between the streets and law enforcement to say, hey, you know, I'm gonna go talk to the youngsters, and I said, you know, I'm gonna give them some information. Then you you tell the police, Hey, I spoke to those guys and they're gonna be quiet. You know. It's not about like giving names and providing information. I don't believe that grid workers do that. I haven't heard of grid workers like I haven't heard of any

cases either. Let me just clarify that and clarify that. But I know that's what people that's from the outside, I'd be like, oh, well, he worked for you know, he getting the chet, he get paid by the police. Police look out for him and take care of him, and so stay away from him, or we don't talk about that in front of him. And I think that's part of the danger of doing this gang intervention professional work.

Like people just think it's it's a simple job, but you're you're there to help curb violence, help curb gang conflict, and it's still a dangerous job for all those good workers because you never know when these young knuckleheads I think you're an informant or think you're working with the

police in a different kind of way. You know, I even talked to the police sometimes when I'm out there shooting, and I try to stay away from them because I don't know who's looking, I don't know who's watching um. But you know, it's it's almost impossible not to interface with law enforcement when you're out in any streets and you have constant out there that are good that is for you know, like uh, you know, Darren dupri And

and Compts like that. And you know from when the l a like my father was Reggie Wright Senior from Compton when he was working in Compton Police Department, that that people couldn't have tru have good relationships with. And so you have those type of officers that you just have to know which ones there there are. The police of the day is really willing to work with the game members. There's so yeah, you're not gonna ever get majority.

You never had the majority. You're never going to have a majority of them that believe because some believe in this kicking as taking names and moving on where you have something that's working in those those types of divisions and the smarter ones and all of that since the

quite frankly since the riots. It started trying to happen since the riots, when law enforcement was like okay, hold on, you know well the riots was a result of the right and the keen beating when they saw that Okay, we can go to jail for putting our hands on these people like this. The public is not really tolerating this. Yeah, it really has if that happens. But this this is own thing. What these guys is trying to do for Nipsey and and my whole thing is I'm sitting there

listening to it was the kids. It was meaning for the kids that he was trying to help it for, which is the most important thing. But it jumps from the kids to these I've seen a lot of interviews, and these guys just threatened their own home boys for all the big homership, you're fools and wo woo. Don't come and and support this and this and that. You're going by the wrong way because I'm telling you, everybody ain't wienies like this. I'm not gonna get that cat,

no shout out. But like that boy there, like that boy they killed Tupac. Come on, man, you you're dealing with some serious knuckle heads out there, you know what I'm saying. So how can you get the game bangers, in the in the in the police together. How do you do that? It's just the first step, James, I mean, I think I think this is the first step towards something that's gonna take five years, eight years in years,

Reggie just mentioned the riots. How many years ago was that that was almost that's twenty almost thirty years ago, And how much progress have we made? I think we made some progress in terms of law enforcement. Not not that we would want, but I think we made something Like you're seeing more officers being indicted on a regular basis. I look up the indictments. Every day. There's a cop

getting indicted somewhere in America every day. Um, thirty years ago, you probably didn't see that many law enforcement arrests, right and you're seeing more. Look, we have the top l a county sheriff and his sidekick both serving five years in prison right now, Lee Baka Paul Tanaka. When does that ever happened before? When when your chief and assistant

chief are in prison? You know? And and you know Lee Baka he trying to play damning, you know, but he pretty much gott You know, I won't to work because if it worked out, would be a good thing. But my whole thing is first, you gotta you can't just keep talking about it like they did in ninety two and ninety two. I said it wouldn't gonna work because all they want to do is talk and drink. That's not gonna work. Now you're talking about the truth

right now. Yeah, So what what what What they to me is what they need to do is deal with the the neighborhoods. First, I think it's a huge step because the sixties and the A trays, those are the that's the top of the food chain when it comes to the neighborhood and gangster call. So if you got about what twenty other neighborhood crypt gangs, you got about what the gangster crypt gangs, they're all gonna fall under

with a tray and sixty do. But didn't a tree have a problem with because it seemed like Big Hu was making a shot call and calling that uh that that march and all of that. Didn't they have a problem with that? You know, I don't know, maybe I haven't heard anything specifically, but hey, I mean somebody's got to step up and take that position, anybody, And that's cool. A lot of cats respect him, so he should take the lead. But then you put your bring other other

major hinders to the to the table. You know what I'm saying. And I'm saying in each hood we called the cease fire. We don't go out and do nothing. When Big You was walking, he was walking side by side with Mad bone O g a track, I know, with arms around each other. So I mean everyone should have but you know what outside's probably don't know. Oh that's an O g A track. You know, everyone knows Big You because he's you know, he's become a well known guy. I think I truly believe it a work.

But you know, you gotta bring in respect, you gotta you gotta start respecting each other. Not just today. Uh, we gotta switch phone numbers, and we gotta talk. We gotta sit down and break bread on how we're gonna do this. And once you do that and cease fire, Let's try this for one month, and then the next month we tried again, and then another month we come in and see how we can incorporate that may give money, make money to buy this building, to get so many

kids in there. Because and what happened on the getting back to the riots or the truths that we had and um, you know the late nineties three, well you know what happened was and I was in law enforcement deep into it. There. Yes, you hear about a guy by the name of James from from mab Paru And

now I'm Timmy from Nutty Block or or wherever. And now I've always been wondering who was Marv James from from the mab Parules area that shot and killed my cousin or my brother Timmy, that everybody from the neighborhood always talked about. And now I'm finding myself frattenizing with him, setting, drinking and all of that, and eventually it got to be too much. Well allegedly, well I just threw out names and even bitch. Everybody gotta look gay, man, And

that's what called to break up. That's what they started. Everybody who persons are listen. Everybody lost in the game war. My neighborhood lost, man, I'm team brothers. Every neighborhood lost a lot of men. We at the point I lost my brother by gangship, but unfortunately was the homies. That's over and and these guys gotta look at it. That's over. You living now for the future, for your kids, your grandkids.

Most people weren't able to put it, sweep it up under the ruck from from the experience, that's where that's where the big homlies come from. And that's where you you you put your foot down. Like like with the police. If the police come in this situation trying to work with with the gangs and they get out of line, man, it's the police got to maintain their own Arrest them, put him in jail, let them know we're seriously about this. That's the only way we believe that they're serious about it.

If if the police come beating you up and and saying this and that, we don't want it to work. So how do you check them by their own people? You know what? You have to see it with police, they don't really have anything to gain by seeing a truce, by seeing peace because because part of their business is gang violence. They have Gang Enforcement Detail which used to be crashed and they all lose jobs. And they have Gang Hardcore Division, which is the legal arm of the

l A District Attorney's office that prosecutes it. So they have an agenda to see this continue. That's that's what I'm saying. Let go back to the quotas on tickets and stuff like that. I don't buy into it because I know as a cop, I was never told to write this many tickets or you got to write this many tickets. I think it's just an unwritten rule. You have gang Worsemen Detail, we'll just call the crash. You have crash. These officers make money, they have kids, they're

putting their kids through college to be gang cops. So how do you employ these people. You gotta have gang conflict, you gotta have gang problems without gang problems without gang conflict, and you don't have a gang enforcement detail. So what what role are they supposed to play when these gangs are trying to bring peace and come together? Like what

what's what? Would there be a sincere role that law enforcement can play the gangs get along, There would be something you go to major crimes, or you go to unsolved or something. I just I just don't buy into that because I know about the quotas and all of that, so I know they don't like it. Uh for the most part, Um, the good ones. Now you got some cops, like I said, I saw something on Facebook. I told

the story before. Or you have two white cops in the car and they were applotting each other because, um, they were giving each other high fives because some some black guys just shot each other and say, oh, you don't have to do anything. You don't have to do anything because they take care of it for you. And and so you have those type of officers. You have some of them, but as a majority, I don't think

most people want to see that ain't right. I mean, just on that note, you don't think the police out of here is racist, especially in l A. They won't give you the time of day. You have a percentage, but do you have some There's enough, there's enough to say it will never work to have a percentage. But I'm just not wanting to believe that all cops are bad and all cops are going. I'm not all of

them not bad. And I'm sure you don't rent the two cops that were good and that you speak Kilia and you here's the problem with most lap D officers. You have the ones that you like. At the Nipsey Hustle Memorial, I met a bunch of captains and higher ranking law enforcement officers that seem to get it. They're talking what you and I would be talking. But the guys that are on the front line, that are patrolling these neighborhoods, the ones that come to court to test

the fight against these guys, they're the younger officers. And the younger officers have a different mentality than the thirty year veteran that that comes to the gang meeting. So there's like this divide within the l A p D of young cops that they don't care about gang members. They will actually talk down about them. But then when you talk to a captain, he's talking to like he understands the plight, he understands the problem, he has some compassion.

So within this one organization, how do you have this divide of officers that think two different ways. You've got to have witnessed this when you was a told stories plenty of times where we I had a cop in the car with me, tell me which they dropped a bomb on the city or Compton. And I had to remind this, two of my grandparents still live in this city. Where are you talking about? I think those are cops that James was talking about. When those cops exist, then

progress is gonna be so minimal. I truly believe that that in the situation like this, you extra police out. You do not use the police at this point because it's still fresh, everybody is still trying to get on the same page and you don't need anything that. I just think the problem is and looking for me outside because I've never been a game memorial. You know one

you know professed to be one is that? But I know about him is that when one guy is calling for the truth or stuthing like that, then the other games feel like this dude think he has too much power in the city, and jealousy happens. That's what happens, and that's where the problem called. This young man is in jail now with that that got shot with um with Nipsey. Why do you all really believe that he's

in jail? They got him more provo violation. Why do you think they got him in there because he refused to talk and won't tell him anything, so they're gonna late and he's actually victim. And oh, I totally disagree with this this arrest, but I'm just trying to explode explain to people why why is the custody and we're talking about I think cousin Carey, I mean, because you

don't want to talk. I just man, yeah, Cousin carry Yeah, I mean, can you honestly say if if if I think it's great, and then I just won't give a shout out to it right quick while I'm thinking about it, free Cousin Carry Many lad TV is doing uh uh something on his page where he's uh they're doing uh a go fund page where At last I checked, it was up to about sixteen and seventeen dollars for his legal fund. If anybody can go and support that, it

would be greatly appreciate it. Here's another problem I have. If you really want to know what a gang cop thinks, go watch a trial. I work in a lot. I get a lot, right, So I listened to these every week. Listen to an l ap D gang cop that's about to thirty years old testify. Most of us never even get to watch these cases, but I work closely with them, and the stuff they say, understand is absolutely ridiculous. Some of the craziest stuff they say. Of course, their agenda

is I want to get a conviction. I need to help this prosecutor convict this guy. So they'll go on to stand and say almost anything, and maybe one day we can have a topic. We're all bringing some transcripts and we'll read some of the testimony that these l A p D officers and um l A County sheriff's deputies say in court. But then I will meet their bosses at a ceasefire meeting at a church, and they're saying something completely opposite. You know, So this this divide

again within the culture of police. That to me, I can't trust it completely because the bosses are letting these young cops kind of do their thing at the same time, and they also have a code, Am I right that we protected on regardless of well, I'm that's pretty much going out the one to I mean, the cops investigated each other and they turned each other in, and so it's not going on going on like we think where that blue wall or that blue light the blue line is.

It's not, it's it's you know, no social media and a lot has has helped uh um, you know, tears stuff like that down. So I'm just not one for it. I just don't believe that. I know it's dirty cops. I know it's a percentage that is out there that's dirty, But I'm not one that's gonna say it's the massive is dirty. Are are against the system? In the game day man, I wanted to work so bad because I was challenged still that I have a nephew out there. I want to be bad, wanna be this, wanna be that.

I wanted to bring him to the show so he can see different things. Uh. I think it's important that I'm many nephews you got. We all got nephews. We all got brothers. I got Timmy got how many kids? Kids? And the majority of them is boys, and they all they all repping the neighborhood. How do I save them? You know what I'm saying, Because everybody want to get

out here in the streets and and click together. If each and every man that's that represented gang just stopped and got his nephews, his little cousins out of the gang, it is shrink so so fast, and it'll be easier to maintain what you have now. But and doing that, they got him in there. They're watching them die. They're watching them die. I don't want to see my nephews. I got a lot of them up there die. I got one. He's sixteen years old. Uh, everybody ain't meant

to be a father. I'm gonna say that. Um, he's running the streets, sleeping in cars and ship My sister tried to get him out in Fontana, nice home. He don't want to be there. He want to be from the hood, you know what I'm saying. He wanted he wanted to to go to the nipty hustle thing at the State Well you don't even got a car, how

are you gonna get there? So he got his other cousins and and he finds his way there, and you're speaking to him as an og, a big old g and he's not listening because you know, we always said, well the OG's gotta make him listen. The youngsters is not that sixteen year old black man I said it before, is the most dangerous guy in America or a person in America according to some people, because they don't care, they don't have anything to lose, and all of that.

So my point to all of that is where, you know, how do we combat at that. He needs an opportunity, He has an economic opportunity. He needs an employment opportunity where he sees a future right now, he doesn't see a future from that. But they're not going to do the jobs that his his uh, his education and all of that that's going to allow him to get. Because you can go get a job at McDonald's. You can go get that job. But he's not gonna do that. So what job? What economic he can he can get

some training electric electrician um. He hasn't finished high schools sixteen and he don't he's not even finishing in high school. Yet. When I went to junior high school, they had mechanics. You learned all that. They don't got that in schools, no more, none of that where you can work on cars. You're good with your hands. He's good with his hands. Now you're getting tattoos on his hands because he ain't got nothing to do. And then the police tell you

can't chastise him because UH is abuse. So how do I take my son and embrace my son who whipping his ass to keep him alive? You can tell me, Come and tell me. I need to know, because I got, I got so much. We might have a female perspective here on what to do well. I am an early education UH teacher from at USC, and you definitely have to start them young. Apparently he didn't have that experience, you know, from you know, from the beginning. It has

to give them experience. And when I used to go out with Alex and doing these interviews with all these other gang members, the number one thing, and Alex used to ask them, you know, why what's going on? Why are you in the gang? Basically, Oh, I grew up with my grandma. I didn't know I didn't know there was anything else, and that sticks with me to this day. We have three children, teenagers, and it sticks with me. I didn't know. You mean, you didn't know there was

a beach out there. You didn't know there was smc out there. You didn't know there was a junior college. No, I didn't know. So it's your job, if you want to make a difference, is to just take them. Just take them, give him the opportunities, Just take him, show him something that he does not know. Maybe one day it'll click. You might take a year. Just keep going. Just you can't give up. You just gotta keep going, Just keep going. Yeah, I think the main thing, like

she said, you gotta start young. He's sixteen, so you know it's just not him. This is this is where well I'm saying, that's gonna stop the gang the gang ship. This is where everything ties in together, you know, the big homies. Get your nephews out of the games, get your sons out of the games, and and show him something different. Let's save our own, you know, let's stop blaming other people and asking other people to help us. We can we can do that ourselves. So I'm trying

to my sons went to college. My son James Jr. And my youngest son, Jayden, they went to college. My baby boy went to Texas A and m my oldest son went to college. Raising his daughter since she was born. They went out to hospital by herself. She's eleven years old, so mind understand. But it's Tremney and all of them. These are my nephews. So looking at what's going on now. A long time ago, I didn't care. I didn't care about life period and didn't I didn't care how we

got down. Let's just do what we do. This is part of the game. So being on the other side of the fence and and seeing my nephews and seeing my best friends getting gunned down for nothing, it's like wow. But I can't sit here and be a hypocrite because I participated and the same thing I'm trying to stop right now, you feel me? So how do I just slide by in the shadows? How do I cut this corner? How do I do this? It's playing simple. I am who I am. I did what I did. I regret

what I did, So let me pay it forward. Let me start by helping my nephews. Because everybody got a nephew or a cousin that's doing something stupid. Well, I think you just got to plant the seed. I'll tell you what. I used to work at at Culver City High School and my job was to counsel the gang members there, and I felt like none of these kids were listening to me. None of them paid attention to what I said. They were just forced to sit there for an hour to talk to me once a week.

And then years later, after that program was done, Uh, a UPS driver knocks on my office door to bring me a package. And it was one of those kids that I had counseled years before, and he told me that I had an impact on his life. It didn't it didn't materialize then, it didn't happen right then and there, but he just remembered things that I would say to him every week, and however it happened years later. He went up getting a job and started working for UPS

and figured it out. So all I would say is just just keep on planting the seed and one day the light bulb will go off in the guy's head and I'm glad you said that. I got a guy on my my message hit me through messenger and he was just talking to me the other day. His name Brandon Lee. I want to give a shout out to Brandon Lee. He be that she expects. I mean, you know what is and he just he just telled me

thank you all the time. Man. I literally just show up. Man, I wanted to say whoop the whoop, this and that, and that makes me feel good like I'm okay, I'm doing something right. You know what I'm saying. So shouts out to him. Man, I'm keep doing what I'm doing. And I don't want to go out here and just grab some cat off the street and say, man I, but this truth thing gonna work, is gonna no. Let me start with my nephews, you know what I'm saying,

because they're in the thick of it. They're in the thick of it, and and and the scary thing is, I got so many of them trying to game bang but don't even know how to game bang. Don't walk with your head down. Uh. One of them ain't gonna say no names, and they probably you're trying to figure this out after they hear this. I don't even know how to say Paul Roue and just you're gonna lose like that. They don't hear it. So I just got

to find another way to teach him. And and and I'm just running short and and my patience is like real thin because I think I'm losing and I don't want to do that. So here he is. I got my nephew and I told him I'm gonna bring him to the show. And this is what I'm gonna do. I want you to see and meet people that's doing things, that's trying to save lives like yours. He ran away. Now my sister been taking care of him for two

years and and he runs away. He's on Instagram doing I'm talking about things you would never think a kid like that would be doing the saying. So I came breaking. I came breaking, like like really like breaking, because that's jail. I don't think there's anything you really could do except just continue to plant the see, continue to be encouraging,

and hopefully one day something will hit. But I also think that in terms of the truth, um Compton, the East Side, Watts, other parts of l A really weren't impacted by this. This is more like a West Side crypt But and I say that because I think all these parts of l A. L A so huge, just like the second largest city geographically, So there's gotta be a Compton movement. There's gotta be a long Beach movement. What what these brothers did on the west side the

other day was just the west side. You know, I don't on that side saying they don't even know Nipsey. But I'm gonna say this today. It's not about Nipsey. It's what those dudes initiated and what they're trying to do now. And if we can say one life every night for three and sixty five days, you did good. That's ain't nobody getting killed. That's and that's Compton, a lone beach and all that. So they need to get with the program and get on that because it's all

about us. It's all about and that's what you're saying, we got it, And that's the black panther or the way they do it. That's worry about ourselves, and you know, let's let's let's get ourselves, you know, our neighborhood or where we at. And then you know, we can't try to do the whole city or of l A and Compton. It's too big. So we just gotta do this segment. We gotta have people in that segment to do it. People in this segment like a pie. It's like a pie.

It starts in your neighborhood. We don't have to go to this meeting to do it. We just sit down as the homies and say, man, y'all time. Yeah we tied, we ain't going out and we ain't doing nothing. We're gonna show our support that way by laying our colors and our guns down. You don't have to go to no meeting talk to the police. You can just say we're good. No activity and everybody know what that means. No activities next to no activities, and all these guys

need to hear that part. No activities. That's how you support the West Side. They the sixties movement, that's how you support that. But what you guys, I don't know if you guys were were, But before that day April five, there were two huge meetings, one on April fourth, one on April three, with hundreds of people, especially the one on April four, hundreds of different crips from different sets from around that area. Oh yeah, this is this was

already was already in place. So then April five came and then what happened on April said it was doing that under the radar. Then, yeah, so what happened those those two days, those two meetings. I think the meetings are important. It kind of inspired what we end up seeing on April five. You know, it wasn't just That's why everybody was so like like quick to join it. I mean when I saw them walking down that street, I was like, this ain't just happened. Not you're right,

it just happen. Just can't because and those two meetings, those two meetings were like critical and they were revolutionary because it brought different sides to the table on those two days. And then the fifth is what we all witnessed, you know, and I thought it was beautiful. You no, no, no, it was it was let's talk about the rumors because I know you didn't heard it and and um and you you got your ears to the ground. Uh. They want to blame it on the police. I've blame it

on the media. Try to put out there that um uh you know the shooting after the incident, I was there. Yeah, yeah, because you talk about those that was those related to the you're talking about when they were at the memorial that would have been on I think that was April one, about two days after Nipsey was killed. There was a big trampling that one. And then I also you're talking about the shooting, the one and the one in Nickerson Guards correct. Yeah, uh, you can say were they related

or not. I don't think they were because at the distance. But yeah, I don't believe both of those shootings were related to all that was both on the east Side was in Watts and people don't know, you know, because we got a big broad audience how far away. That is the thing is why some people might say it was related. Because Nipsey's procession went through Watts. It actually went to Century and Maine, and I'm not sure someone happened three or four hours later. Yeah, that's what I'm

gonna say. I'm not sure how much time had passed after the procession had passed the Century and Maine. It also did go to Watch, but I don't I don't know. I just think that there's some East Side stuff going on. And also before Nipsey was killed, there was a there was a spike in crime going on in March early March. You know, all of March saw a spike from January and February, so we might be in some sort of trend now, an upward trend of violence in Los Angeles summertime.

Summertime it always happened like that every year. Yeah time when schools get out, I always recognized and when at the end of the school that's when the youngster started a few shootings in March, and it might have something to do it. I think it's just too early to say. I don't know anything about the the hundred and third and Main shooting except that it was an older guy. And the guy that got killed in the Nicholson Gardens, he was a well known guy over there, so I

don't think it was related to Nipsey's funeral. Well, I just wanted to get that cleared up if you we had the information. The media was on that. The media, they wanted to make a big thing. Oh this happened after that, And I was like, well, do you believe that that boy said that he was paid to do what he did? Come on, we ain't gonna talk about I mean, man, don't that's stupid people that's on the internet to make that severing The attorney wouldn't even bring

that up. That wouldn't even come out attorney quick he gotta got so. Yeah, he jumped on that, you know, for publicity and all of that. So that's fine. He wasn't even quite a pointed. I thought he might have been quite a point but I found out he's not even in the quarter pointed pool. No, he's not a he's not a Barkin attorney private private, that's that's Uh. I'm cloud chastein and needs. I'll do this for free. But we don't know. We don't know if he's getting

nobody paying for who's gonna pay for? Uh, we don't know the economic status of his family. Good point. And I think it's too early to say that Christopher Darden is doing this pro bono. I believe so, but good point. Time will tell you. I believe Chris Darden is getting paid. Yeah, two three hund knowledge. There's a little deafenety case. Uh definitely hasn't been filed, but it's going to be. So if it is, then it might see a new attorney. You know, attorney has changed all the time, many times.

It should go through. He had no money countrue everybody, Yeah, I don't man, that's why he was there, and that that's why he's in the position that he was in. If this case goes to trial, we can't even assume that Christopher Darden is gonna be the defense attorney through this entire process. This trial is not gonna happen for

a year or two if it goes to trial. So but I don't believe that any of those what's gonna go to trial because he's gonna try to play the insanity, uh that since who'll get down he was crazy and not the government. That's people out there they want to have, you know, the Tupac still allie that that's that's those

type of people that's that's put that stuff out. I think for the city though, it would be good to just give this guy a deal and just jump on it, because you know, it's it's very traumatic for the family to sit there in the trial. I've seen it so many times, you know, to see his family and his kids have to be dealing with this all over and I truly don't believe it's don't go nowhere. I think he's going something's gonna happen in jail. I don't think

power untouched. You think that the share out at that level, James, the sheriff are gonna let this guy get killed on their watch. This is too high profile. They can't even move in out of the sale without video camera. Yeah, we're talking to a guy that ain't know you know, in that high power situation. One time I was I was visiting an inmate. That's not a place in jail that you can't be. Yeah, but high power you're different.

I started to believe James. I was visiting an emmy in the county jail once in the in the lawyer's area, and I actually saw Should come down, which just by coincident, he probably had a sergeant. It was like five deputies. One was holding the camp. You know how they move high power O jail, everything is documented documentary. They have a sergeant there. Also. They don't want the liable liability of his family sing the heck out of the sheriff

department of coming out. So I think I think he's going to be uh, you know, he's guarded well guarded as well. But now you know what's to go to the now that it's the same thing when when she was going through it. You've seen on Facebook people posting he got killed and all that. Ship and conspirators and liars are two different things. You went out with the government did it. You said he was paid sea Now

for the government to do it. That's not even something that came out of his mouth because because his attorney wouldn't even allow that to happen. Yeah, there's nothing coming out of his mouth exactly. Yeah, so cool, so um, yeah, we probably have to rename the show still. You know, we kind of veered off the first gang. But but here's the last thing I'll say on the on the whole police first gang relationship. A lot of people might not know this, but they are actually documented police gangs,

most of them in the sheriff to be Vikings. Vikings. Hey, Paul Tanaka was the Viking. Yeah, there's the three thousand Lynn would say, the three thousand boys that was in the county jail, the l a county jail that he's speaking of, and there's all. There was also the two thousand boys. I just learned this from um Karl Douglas because he sued a lot of sheriff uh Barl Douglas was a guy on the old j Yeah, he was on case back at but now he is the most

successful civil attorney that sues law enforcement. And there's at least three more that I don't know the names of. So they have them. Yeah, these are actually they have that clue and they have they have been tattooed. They had an incident, Uh what do you. Guys got into a big fight among themselves at a Christmas party behind

the click. That's how some of it became public because one of the deputy decided to sue the other deput exactly what's safe to trusted those I would say, these guys, we're talking about ten people out of uh an organization of ten thousand. No, we're not going to I would say, I'm gonna tell about the ones that's in the particular gangs, I would say there's at least a hundred percentages that break down. It is very small, but these are these guys have lots of power when it comes to police

and gangs. Though these are the guys on the front line police. There's not a lot of gang enforcement officers. So the question is what percent of gang enforcements these were guys in. They were in county jails, the Linood station, they were at a station which is now in the central station. I think they even they might was always out of the central station. I forget how that went.

The vikings. What the vikings are The county jail deputies. Eventually, every every deputy has to go to county jail first, that's their first assignment. Then they get trickled into the departments eventually, so that culture gets spread to wherever they go. Like like I always said, it's a percentage that are bad cops. I'm just saying the percentage is under two to three percent. You're doing the percentage of the whole department.

I would say, let's do a percentage of gang cops, the ones that actually their responsibility is to investigate gangs. What percentage of the old gang cops are actually in these gang clicks. That number is definitely higher than any of the gang officers been associated the clicks. They've always been officers in county gls, are at stations and stuff. Not in the crash r d Well Raphael perezidem had that skull tattoo, they were gang officers. They were just

regular patrolments. Well, they were parting as a whole. I'm saying they were just boys that hung out the gall No I think that. I think Raphael Perez and his partner um Nino Darden, I think they were crashed officers, the ones that shot. Let me just say, this is what they did. One day, they shot a Latino gang member named Javio Vondo. Paralyzed them then when it got a gun and put it next to him and they

put a case on him. He got sent to twenty three years in prison and he sat there for two years until he got exonerated, and he lost his ability to walk for the rest of his life. Like I said, the l A p D officer did that to Javier Vando. We we we we got him in the neighborhood. Now, how many cops do you know that coming to hood, pull you over and start talking to you and then start popping you upside your head? What'd you call? Yeah,

I haven't heard of anything like that. But my point to point to, my point to that, my point to that is complained. And I know we don't like to go on to go and go complain because where the departments believe now where they're smoked the fire and what I mean by that one time nothing may not happen the second time nothing. I'm not mad the third time, but you should get three complaints like that. Trust me a department. They're going to oversizes out there now where

it's gonna something's gonna happen. You our complaints of the cop pass, that's what we got. The more you have an impact, we don't have it on. If you don't have it on on the phones, the camera phones. Now, the only way the cops going to get dealt with is people got to be educated to complaint in the streets and getting pulled over by the police just on some route change ship shouldn't happen. They're gonna work your They're gonna beat you if you're payings shagging, they go,

they go. You know what you said, don't happen. I see it every day. You know what I've observed lately in the last maybe five six years, that there are less and less black cops out there. It's mostly Latino cops and white cops. Especially Confident is all Latino and something white cops. What happened all the what happened is the one we need more blacks, We need them, but they can't pass the background. They came past it because

they're going to get in trouble. But listen, and the ones that do go through the school and all of that, you go beat, You're gonna be attorney, You go, you get better job. Well, then how does the shriff hiring Latino cops that have gang backgrounds? They got Latino cops as brothers is from like white fence and and I get this is because your brother is related. Don't make you relate? Does that be like a red flag in

the hiring process? You get the red flag and they go, they go through some hill and you know how many backgrounds you know how many Latino sheriff deputies come from gang families? How many a black cop would never get hired if it came from a black family. Never. But they're not getting hired at the same rate that these Latinos get high because they're not generally applying and going through the process to do it. I mean, be honest, only one of the people that actually apply make it

through the final process. But the problem with what the black what black people when we do go through that, usually we got a lot more going on ourselves where we choose a different profession. That's what generally LPD has a very good salary for for they they choose a different profession from the Mexicans. How many black do you see in Compton? It's a handful. And how many and compare that to the last I see more well in

l A County. In l A County, look at the rate of where it is with the Mexican population and the whites and the blacks. I think the Mexican's out raid in in l A County. Right, Yes, it's only like black and it's like Latinos. So what you're gonna hire? Moral? I just think that um and and a lot of black inmates in the county jail complain that there is a preferential treatment to the Latino Mexican. And from this from the from the cops, from the sheriffs, that the

police in the county jail. So I'm like, man, where are all the black sheriffs? Where all the black officers at? Why aren't they getting hired? They don't want them, That's not true, they want them. They're just getting wild filtered out. I see a lot of black cops that are ranked high ranking because they moved up, but they've been around twenty five three years that they moved a lot of high ranking black coples. I don't see them patrolling the neighborhood.

Back in the days Compton was had more. It was like, like I just said, because of the hiring process and behind the background checking. You know, Um, do you think about it? Um, a person to go through college and all of that, Where do we see our black do we tell them to go go to college to become

law enforcement officers? I got a cousin named Tony Williams, went to college, went to the military, did this, did eight years in military, came home and was denied l a p D. Why I don't know, but he ain't me. He's just smart. But just because he went through it don't mean that he didn't have a checker, our spotty path. They just kept telling him like, you'll never really know why, And they have reasons why they say they get You know, I learned. I learned some of the weird questions that

they ask. Like, for example, they'll ask you a question if you pull your mother over for speed, but you pull over, you pull someone over for a speeding ticket, you find out that's your mother. The question is do you give your mother that ticket? What's your answer, James, No, that's the answer. They want to hear because if you say yes, I will let's say you're a liar and

boom you. But I think some of these But if you're a new recruit, you're thinking to yourself, I get yes, I'm gonna give her the ticket because I want to do the right thing according to the law. Right and and those are called stress tests, and those are generally when you a senior cop have been around already, they act questions like that. The perfect example. And I'll give

you one. You gotta fire and you're out there direct and traffic, and then you see and then you while you're out there direct and traffic, you see somebody burger rising a house? What do you do call it? In that's what you'reupposed to do. Most people say, I'll run over there and do it. But you you forget life over property. Yeah, and so you out there saying, you know,

directing traffic. So you're supposed you're really supposed to be out there, what saving lives or preserving something happening to a life or injury, and now you want to you went away from that for property, so you have, you know, questions like that. But it's a whole bunch of stuff. I really think we need to get a better understanding why a lot of African Americans either are not applying

or they're getting denied. And why are they're getting denied because I know they're applying, right, we know they're applying, but they're definitely not getting hired. They're not in our neighborhoods patrolling. Um. You know. So, I think that's a question that we don't know the answers to that right now. This is the question is yeah, but it's not gonna

be as many as as the Mexican. But affirmative action is supposed to to guarantee some sort of equitable hiring process, Like there's women being hired now that that in the early eighties, they would never hire them in the lap in the early eighties or late seventies. Would you put a lot of Mexicans you just said you have versus nine percent, you're gonna try to go in with the all the games you got in comfort or black majority of that's not true the Mexican that's just the one

you have. The Mexican games are out, she'd be seventy, she'd be threes. You have the money bigger compting down that seventy Mexican over thirty percent black. That's the ratio. When I was a common conficent was seventy the black Mexican. But the difference, how can they come over and tell me what I need to do and they don't know what I mean? Who already? Man? I mean, I mean,

you know better than I do. Use the police. And you know how like going to certain neighborhoods and certain people, the black games ain't been in respect of these officers because they they don't see black officers at there. So what does they do? They keep getting on. They're gonna

run and run, and then it should get worser. And then how does it look when you have a Latino Mexican deputy or officers shooting and killing a black gang member that ends up being unarmed, like just happened in the Compton a seat of black pirrou dude got shot and killed by a Latino deputy. And how does that look? You know, it doesn't look good. But like you said, when you have uh, you know versus you're gonna have that incident where you're gonna have seventy cops all of

a hundred cops are Mexicans. Should we're basically fighting a losing battle. And well, I think I think l A is dealing with the same issues. And you see them because all of y'all moved up the found town there. That's that white power should they do. And you see you're seeing a lot of that police officers doing this. Come on, man, should they be here? Oh if you get a card doing it? And you don't think they deal with it when they when they catch her, and

you don't think they deal with the losers. I just think the old gang social media will get you five quicker than anything in law. Enforce that police, our ship, our own self. Look the shaff the new sheriff of l A, l A sheriff that he just rehired a bunch of deputies that were lost their jobs. He put them, he put them in an upper management because he had to get his boys. And that's one thing you better do against the wishes of the county border supervisors. That

was one incident. I think you won't hired two people one or two one or two people, but most of the people who brought back it was because he was trying to get rid of that. But that's his mentality. I know, it's just one or two people. But his mentality gives are bad cops. But I'm rehiring him. His thing was that he didn't feel that they should have been terminated in the first But that's not a decision to make the county border supervisor count you know, the

five county border super the county his budget. We were the balls stuff that, Sarah, because we don't voted to man, Well, I don't know of the budget. That's it. They just control. They can give him a dollar versus a hundred million dollars. That's all they can do on because he's voted. He's a he's a you know, he's voted by the people. But the control that they have over the sheriff is the budget. You know, he can go and request this amount of money and they'd be like, I don't know,

we're not giving you that. So that's why you gotta play ball with him a little bit. Well, I think that the sheriff is starting off kind of on a shaky ground already. Oh yeah, you know. He but that's how he won. That's how he We have never had a sitting share losing the election. I don't know how Jim McDonald lost that and actually Jim McDonald favorite. He was one of my favorite. He comes from Low Beach and all of that slice permament. But they hated he

was not he's not a politician. No, it wasn't that. It wasn't a good old boy. That's the one thing about the share They are a good old boy system. They take care of with that with within. Then so they got or well he went to Long Beach. He went out there to the beach. But that's what happened, and he seems appeared to have been a good guy. He just wasn't a sharer. And they are a good, good old boys system. They got rid of them quick.

You figured you get ten thousands, you get ten thousand UM sharffs against you, and they go tell all their family members to vote and get out a vote. What what? What the sheriff one with a million votes in UM in the l A county If that because we don't get out the vote like we shared, the likelihood of seeing a black person lead the sheriff's department is probably almost impossible because it's all it's all politics, politics, which I'm here's a question the lp D. It's all about appointments.

Sheriff is about elections. Elections, what's the better system? Share off? But once you get elected, you control all the other positions, correct, So basically all of those positions are elected because one guy gets elected. So I've always felt that elections should be out of policing. That's a good point. What do you think about that? That's a good point. But then you have politicians running a police department. Do you want that?

Because politicians an't gonna go about what their preachers say, you know, then you have your ministers and your pastors running running police department. Well, in Los Angeles, I don't think the mayor has uh power to to fire the chief of police. Well, he said the commission, that's but he the one that appoints him. In the city of l A. No, I think he just recommends, he approves it. I don't think it's the mayor's final decision. I think

he do all departmental heads unlike most city managers. Usually that's the city manager job in most cities, But the mayor of l A is the city manager for But the mayor always goes with the with the commission says anyways, that really because he appoints the commission. Yeah, So it's not really the mayor's decision, but he has the final state. He does, but one has a mayor went against the commission's suggestion. You know, I don't think it's happened a

long time. I don't know, But yeah, man, this whole police verse gang thing is a conversation that we're gonna be having for years. I truly believe. But me personally, I say, don't even involve in him right now because we could do it ourselves. It just takes each neighborhood to police itself. That's where that's where the big homies come in at. But we need money though. This is what we need resource intervention and prevention. It requires money. Okay,

it starts. It starts with the parking recreation something. We save money. We save money. Every neighborhood in the City of Los Angeles comes to everywhere else generates money. Money come through? Is it you gotta spend your money, You gotta spend money on doesn't cometing? Do you really see that generating money? I ain't said no business, no black own business. I'm saying street money. Guys got money out there, man, do you think they're gonna put it back into uh?

Into the neighborhood. Why not. It's gonna benefit you in the long run anyway, it's gonna benefit were you speaking what Nipsey did. That's what Nipsey was trying to do. He was trying to appreciate he was doing that. But all he had in there, well, I'm not gonna shoot him down. I like what he was doing as far as the business and stuff like that. But you look at the businesses that he had in that little shopping center generated. It's from boots, a boost Folk, a barbershop,

a tax preparation in a clothing star. Not hard. I thought it was a great start, especially for that neighborhood. It's great. I like what he did with the business class right. Yeah, before you knew it, he would have had the gas station. Uh you know, he would have

probably had the chicken place across the st. Think what he was doing was great, don't don't don't you know other than Lebron James, as far as somebody we know, because you know with that schooling and buying people bicycles, that that's you know, we we all forget about that when he did in his neighborhood what he did, if more people can do what like Lebron James and all that come back and do things like that, then I think that's a great start. But we only have Lebron

them seeing. Yeah, it's not it's not enough of us doing that. That's why we need the government to provide resources. Um, the government ain't gonna give you nothing. Government don't want to give you nothing. Now that grid, the grid is the government. Look at all these on these on these black rappers enter Chine. We got If these guys don't want to spend a few dollars to help the people, for us to get back, for for them to get on their people, for their kids to be safe. It's

just a life investment. Y'all don't see it that way. But I mean somebody got to just like what you think if I can go out of and spens on your CD and you you're you're, you were two hundred and fifty million dollars, what is it gonna go shoot you? You spend that in a nightclub making it rain? Yeah, you're right. Actually, my dad used to say the same thing. Every black rich entertainer can solve have these problems if they put their money to it, but they never do.

Let's talk I remember saying something, well, Dr Dre, I know he did, and that was with Jimmy Ivan to usc okay Um. But he was supposed to build arts, uh or something like that. How's that project going? You know anything about that? He gave like fire to me And I was in the city of Compton to build what are you supposed to had like arts? Like like I think Redondo Beach has that arts center or something like that. Dre supports the Compton Airport and the school

they got their teaching black people had to fly. I mean, that's one of the most amazing airports I've ever seen. Who's teaching like ten year old black people to fly planes? So so I'm saying people are doing that. We probably just haven't really heard them. But maybe we need to make people more accountable and doing things like that. That program indirectly helps the bigger problem, but we need programs

to directly work on the gang problem. Like that will help kids, that will inspire kids to become pla years. We don't lost everybody. I never you have. As a whole, there's a few that's going to come out and gonna be great, successful people. But as a whole, I think we don't lost. But my thing is, let's get back to these five year old ten year olds and let's do something with them that's that's not to see then and now to doing the right things for the programs

that you're speaking. And that's why I went back to the parking recreation and you know the baseball diamonds and the good coaching and uh and and the sports stuff that I you know, I live out in Corona and and and you see the baseball diamonds and stuff they have out here. I know they built one that come to college that's supposed to be nice and stuff. But

we need more of them out there. We were I look at the Dodgers, the Dodgers right now, you know what many African America, well, I don't like to use the word African Black Americans that's on the all sanding of the Dodgers right now. Very few. That means very that's just baseball but zero. Yeah, but Major League Baseball don't have a whole lot of black folks anymore. But I'm just because we're not out there. Who's coaching though?

Who do we know that's out here that that's took the time With the year Little League took a decline after the riots of two because what they started putting the resources into law enforcement and took them away from the parking wreck. So I think all those programs are important, but we need to directly deal with the gangs. What do you do? You suggest that what we gotta we

have what's called intervention and prevention. Right, So what James was talking about with his nephew, that's intervention because they know what you're talking about with the five year old and sixty that's prevention. So it's a lot of times we just throw those two words together like it's the same thing, but it's not. So we need separate prevention programs. But then we need that direct intervention. That's when we're

dealing with the sixteen seventeen. Say, well, we got training and stuff like that, but do they let you under training schools without a g D or they don't have to be a real school. It could be just a program that's set up in the community that teaches sixteen and seventeen year olds how to use a video camera, how to edit film and video. And you might get one of these kids that's the worst out there. Just be like, wow, this is amazing. I want to learn how to use this camera and I can shoot my

own videos. Oh, I can edit my own videos, and he might just start being inspired by this little program. But that requires money. It's easy to say because just like your wife was saying, you teach them young. You get them when they four and five years old, and you teach them this ain't away. That's the prevention, and that's the good thing about it. But then you've got the other my nephews them, so you got you gotta

have somewhere for them to go. You know what I'm saying for this, Okay, but behind much teaching something, how do we learn something a different I ain't. I ain't learned nothing myself. But what I taught myself. I taught myself how to fix breaks just looking at my grandfather do it. And then okay, I had a knack at it. And I think that's the solutions for a lot of

these the ones that you've already gave up on. Um teaching them skills, not through g D or traditional education ways, because a lot of these kids aren't prepared for that, but teaching them maybe mechanic having a mechanic spot in in Compton, imagine if you had a mechanic school in Compton to teach teenagers, how many of those kids off the street would actually go to that? A lot of them would. And they have buildings over there, and they

had over the old Edison building on bullets role. Okay, So with that, all it takes is people like like a game that's say he's with it or people with money. This is how you put back in your community, knowing it's going somewhere right instead of blowing it. So you get them or whomever, and they invest their money, they invest in this building. You get maybe eight teachers start off with five to teach these different skills, breaks, water pumps or whatever. Once that get going, you can explain,

but you can you can expand. It ain't like he losing money, because he's getting taxes off of it. Here doing you're not losing. You're not losing. So opposed to just talking about it, let's be about it, because if I had the money, it wouldn't be no question. Let's find a building. Let's find somebody that that we can put in here that we know ain't gonna run off with it or you know, and mess stuff up. So let's get people in here to handle this type of stuff.

How that's great. I mean, on on on the Mexican Waters Project over on Central you have things like that we don't want, we don't understand, but that's what they are. What we want to teach our own How how can you said you want the game members to teach it? Who you want to teach? Know you you got some cash, this more too, but you know you gotta be certified

to teach. My point is is programs out there, and we still have the game problem, and we still have the problem that I don't think it's enough programs, so you don't think it's And I think they need to be spread out throughout the entire city county because because I know where I grew up at Man, there's literally like nothing around there like programs or educational programs or the only thing we got is l a trade tech college. But of course you gotta be on that traditional education

path to go. You know, most of our our youngsters are they don't know how to read them write at that level, but they can go there and learn water pumps or or transmission or rebuilding an engine. Um, they can learn those those skills so that you can start your own business. And I don't think I'm not saying that. I'm not for that MICUs being on the corner. You move them out and you got that corner, and it's black owned everything. No everything, we're doing the hood. We

go and give our money to everybody else. Why can't we get a job at MICUs? Why I get a job at minus and you can own your own This is helping us instead of making everybody else rich, we can help ourselves. Well. I want to believe it's programs out there, but like I said, it's not enough, and so we just have to research them and get into it. Would just like to. I think also another thing that the ones that we feel that you know, we've lost them, I like to believe that and teach them that there

is redemption. I mean, I remember when I was in school, eighth grade, ninth grade. I mean I was failing and I felt that there was no one there for me. So all I did was just kept digging a deeper hole, digging a deeper hole until someone was there to help me. But teaching them redemption, knowing that redemption isn't just about going to prison and coming back and changing, but redemption is now fifteen fourteen, Oh you're not doing so well, but it's okay, you can change, you know, and you

know about the resources out there. There are so many resources out there, there are probably on every corner. But it's once again, it goes back to the family structure. Who's teaching me this, Who's telling me that there are the resources out there? I mean, for me, you know, I have to call I have to hear from another parent. You know, there's this happening, there's that happening. So I get on it. But who's getting on it for them?

Who's they're advocating for them? Right? Also, I don't think the police support all these programs anyways, because when you look at the way these budgets get allocated for prevention, intervention, and suppression, where all the money go suppression and little bits of pieces get sprinkled into the intervention prevention program. And I think we need less suppression. I know your most police will say, no, we need suppression because we gotta fight crime out there, right, But I think there's

too much suppression. I agree with it. I mean that's what most of your city budgets are going into, uh, into law enforcement and fire, law enforcement, fired budgets of the city budget is allocated for the law enforcement and detment. That has to change at some at some level, whether it's the City of Los Angeles or the county or some of these other municipalities. Chief need to speak up, but no one wants to take less money when it

comes to law enforcement. For example, I used to hear Mayor via Reghost, the former mayor of l A would speak locally about crime is low, our gang problem is low, We're at a thirty year low. But then he goes to Washington, d c. And tell him how it's bad. It's how bad it is. So why does he do that Because he's trying to get those federal dollars. So all and it's all about how you write the report. They start telling well, if technically you break in the

car is an auto burgery? Are are? But no, that's petty down, you know, so you keep it low. They teach you how to write right reports down. If you arrest somebody, you you you're book for auto burglary. But if you just go out and follow up a Polarte reporter that thing, then you're just making a petty down. And so that's the game that they played with the that's a cold game the game that they play, playing that that that city government is playing, you know, manipulating

those stats. In fact, there was expose and l a times a couple of years about Charlie Beck, the former chief of l ap D manipulating those prime statistics. They played with the stat They play with the stats. If if somebody, uh, if you kept somebody and they got shot, its attempted murder is just try to get that an assault salt battery, but if not at least you know, this assault with daily weapon where they you know, they

play with those games. They play those it's all about what if you get somebody in custody or you think you'll be able to uh you have a good leads where you can make an arrest and then you can put them up to those those high categories. So they

play with the statistics, they manipulate the data. They go to Watchington d C get federal funding and then they allocate majority of that money towards suppression and they're not really promoting the intervention prevention programs that would actually help the city. I mean, that's it in a nutshell right there period period. So I mean all of that. I'm just how do we help ourselves now? We need a solution. The city needed solution, Our people need a solution. That's

all I'm saying. So somebody gotta figure it out. I mean, because everything that they these guys are doing now it's gonna be for nothing. You're gonna run into a dad war dad in and then what what what happens after that? You go right back to doing what we're doing. So are we know? Okay, let me let me throw this at you. Uh, explain to them what the grid officers do and would you want to be that officer. I'm not offer the gang enforcement officer. I mean they're out

there patrolling. They're jumping out, filling out that five cards, patting people down out the grid. The Grid guys UM and those guys are on there. UM they get alerts whenever there's a shooting or homicide. They go out to the scene to try to do crowd control, talk to

the family. They're like counselors. Um. They talked to the other side if if they know it's Gang A versus Gang B. The Grid guy from Gang A is talking to the Great Guy and Gang BY and then they meet up at two o'clock in the morning because the homicide just happened. So, I mean, it's a tough job. That's some good ship though, That's what I'm saying. But how many. But that's a government that's a government sponsored job. They actually but would you be willing to do that?

That's the problem. See that looks like let's see what James got to say. Yeah, yeah, I would do it because I mean, just like now, let's make a difference. And this is what I want, a difference. I want my my kids, my grandkids, and my great grades to see Grandpa doing something totally different that's gonna make them want to do different and be different. So yeah, my doors is open for I've always wanted to have a building where I can have kids and talk and talk

to kids. I've talked to talk about what we want to do for kids. But then the were talking about because eighteen and you know that that that group of sixteen eighteen, some people can't handle seeing their homeboy down there on that ground dead. I didn't had a couple of them die in my arms, so I know what it's like. And you know, I know your story probably so I know what it's about. I haven't been on both sides. I haven't been on the other side of the good. I've been shot both times. So I know

what it feel like. I know where to feel like squeezing the trigger. You know what I'm saying. So you you're excited on both sides. But how did you make it? Make just you just don't want people to go through what you don't went through. You wish they can learn from your examples. And yeah, I know what especially people is helping and and and by saying my difference helping is starting with with family and then then doing this So I can do this all day. I can do

it all. Oh no, we don't. We're all in a half and now I'm talking about the show. But get out there and chalk and and and and walk with keys and chalk all day. So yeah, I would do it. Yeah, alright, well ganks the chronicles, um Man, this is this is a section that can go on for for hours. Um but we know y'all won't tune in that long, so we're gonna go ahead and end it here. Man, Alex was a pleasure man speaking with you and all of

your knowledge, um Man, appreciate you to me. I'll make sure you're gonna check out his YouTube channel, street TV street tv on on YouTube x X. What is it called what I want to say? Uh, but I still got street Gangs dot Com. You can go check that out too. Exactly exactly man. So you'll be here from Alex a lot. Uh, very knowledgeable brother, and you know James once again, Happy birthday brother. And we don't say Easter anymore. We say Resurrection Sunday. And did I say

it right? Probably not, But anyway, you'll have a good one. And episode three of aaginst the Chronicles piece up as this has been a Digital Soapbox Network production