The "Vlad TV" Episode

My name is Alex Alonso and you may be aware of my platform street TV, which is an extension of the o G website street gangs dot Com where we interview o G s, former and current gang members, hip hop artists, authors and entertainers, and other influencers. But I'm hearing my two co hosts, right, James McDonald. Yeah, we got Reggie Right Junior and James McDonald in the house.

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on radio dot Com. So we're gonna start off real quickly with some fact checking, and we actually have a special guest in the house. But before we get to our special guest, let me just get through some of these uh fact checks from last week and the week before. Actually, on episode thirteen, we had Chico Brown and according to the Corners report on Gary Webb, Gary Webb was the guy that Chico told us about that kind of broke

the story of the CIA and freeway Ricky Ross. But listen to this quote that was in the Corners report. It is unusual in a suicide case to have two shots, but it has been done in the past, and it's in fact a distinct possibility. And that was from Gary Webb, who officially, they said he committed suicide on December ten, two thousand four, at the age of forty nine. Uh. Reggie James, what y'all think of that had two shots? It's possible, but it's unlikely. Well, how possible is it?

I mean two shots were at in the head, two shots in the hand, two shots in the head, not possible. Not possible. Well now, and unless you did it with a Dinager shot, but you still got a cool got back twice with a Dinager, So that's impossible. Well, the corners trying to play both sides. I think he doesn't want to say it was a homicide, but he's definitely saying this is very unusual to have two bullet holes. And where he got to say a homicide? What other

way would you go with that? I mean, ain't nobody gonna listen to just do kill the self twice? Well, he's not gonna homicide. That's suicide. Yeah, suicide, all right. The movie that Frank Lucas was in there, we didn't say last uh or two weeks ago? That was American Gangster came out in two thousand seven. Uh. And then on episode fourteen, um, Reggie's correct the police that we're standing around Orlando Anderson at the MGM. That was after the fact situation. I checked that out. That was the

as already curd when I saw him standing there. He was standing there pretty much explaining to them, Yeah, what had just happened. So yeah, that was my bag on that one, and I kind of didn't you know, I've never watched the MGM video from beginning to end in its proper order. I've always assumed that Orlando Anderson was standing there talking to the police before the rat pack.

That was my same, okay. And also I want to throw in that the video does not show tray Von Lane and pox Ear when Pocket is going through the law. The video didn't show a lot of ship. Yeah, that's true. What id iss in the video is that one security guard out of law was trying to break it up in the white shirt. The security for m Jim was in the middle, actually on top of Nando's back. They actually that that security guard actually came and testified as

ship probation violation here. And so if anybody that's out there, they're really care, y'all can pull up that transcer up and all and get that testimony from the security offs. Alrighty, so let's get onto our special guest of the week. This guy has probably one of the most viewed platforms on the Internet. He's probably got more subscribers in this genre than any other platform on the Internet. He's got over two billion views, that's whether it be billion views.

And we're here with no other than Mr vladd from lad TV, a k A. DJ LAD right, what name are you going by? DJ VLAD LAD lad TV, whatever you want to call somewhere, as long as the Vlad brand is there, whatever, we appreciate you coming down on the show. And you know, also, you know, Regge and James definitely made this happen because they've been on your platform and they've been responsible for tens of millions of views combined, more than that Reggie and James combined view count.

What is that about? I mean, I know that. You know, last time Mob James was on, we did a quick count and it was like eleven million for his first interview, and Reggie's been on a couple of times, probably in the five million range something like that. That's incredible to two guys responsible for over sixteen seventeen million views possibly and still and still counting, still still counting every day. When I watched video done by Superhand and she had

three point three million just on one of hers like WHOA. Now, You're most viewed video is actually a music video? Right, Yeah, we sometimes put music videos for certain artists. What is your most viewed interview video? Ah Man mondily enough? I think it was a slim Jesus interviews. That's the white from the Midwest. It's ten million views. I think that one one it Yeah, and whatever happened is in Jesus. I haven't heard from he's still, you know, doing this thing.

I guess. I mean I haven't spoken to them in some years. Now, okay, Man, I got a prediction though, got even video gonna do better than Keep You ds. Guarantee you you think. I think maybe, I think a lot of people want to hear about what keep You do? You got the shade ring into the Chambe. He did one one episode. When I think when you start talking about the ship and ship crying and stuff, I think I got like two almost three hundred thousand vials in

one day in time period. Well, let's start off with um, keep you d Man, since that's the hot topic on the table. I know you don't want to reveal too much because the way you do your videos, you put out I don't know thirty different clips one guy, and so that means it's keep you D. Won't be done for about I don't know, two three weeks maybe. I mean it's gonna be going through the whole month, the whole month, think it's twenty something clips. Can you reveal

us reveal anything interesting about the keep D interview? Uh? Well, I mean it just started to day. Um. Really it's a it's a vlad interview. You know, so if you've seen the way I do my interviews with guests for the first time, it's kind of like a biopic in a way, where it tells your story from the very

beginning to where we are today. So you know, the clip that started today talked about how his family moved into Compton and how white flight started to take a hold during that time, some of the racist stuff he he uh kind of dealt with, and it kind of gets into the gang situation, uh in Compton, you know, how he got jumped by a couple of bloods when

he was a kid. And the next clip is going to get into you know, how we joined the south Side Compton crips and how he kind of started his criminal enterprise and you know, leading to the to the Tupox situation and afterwards. I think that's the most interesting part of keypd story is his connection to the homicide of Tupox cor And I'm assuming you pulled no punches on that. If you've ever seen a vlad TV interview,

you know how how I conducted. I mean, I've seen some interviews where you could have asked some more, UF could have win any more. And I think maybe you put the brakes on a couple of times. I don't know if you put the brakes on. Uh when it comes to Keep You D and and Tupac's Uh, it's a sensitive topic asking somebody about a murder that they were involved in, and that doesn't come up. And most of your interviews as much, you can't really say. But

what he got to remember? He can only say what us in the book because if he go saying different ship, that's gonna hurt him in the long run. So he don't want to and and it might be hard to get the real ship out of Keep You D. So a lot of people that's paying attention and watching this interview might be saying, oh, this dude full of ship. But they admitted everything to kayten. But but that was

under a prophet agreement. Yeah, that's a big difference. So you know, just him being on lad Black can get it out of him like you do with everybody else. Then that you got a good interview going. But if if keep you d come off on some bullshit, everybody else going to read into it because man, we just do they't being truthful or this dude he not, you

don't want to tell the truth. So but he put it in the book if for those who read his book, he basically outlines what happened that day pretty much almost the same as he told Cating, with uh slight modification of Pock having a weapon, I think was the biggest change in the story that he gave Cating. We talked about that part and uh, you know, without giving me too much away, there are some nuances in the story that in my interview that's slightly different than what he

said in the book. Is a slightly different also from what he told Cating under that um admission, slightly different. So you got some new stuff, is basically what you're saying, slightly different. Um, you know, but we used the book as a as a blueprint. Oh how we're how we conducted that interview, and what did you think when you first read that he put a gun in hand? Uh, well, the first thing I thought was, it's a it's a good way to rewrite history to make it look like

a self defense. You know, if somebody pulls out a gun and you, you know, on you first, and you end up shooting and taking their life, doesn't sound quite as bad as what most people know the story to be exactly. And I told you about three episodes ago that's why he did that. But in twenty some years, we've never heard that story before because he got legal

people in his ear. Now publishers and writers and all of that kind of question these credibility it questions some things, but not the whole, the whole entire, the gest of it, because he's still on the street. Well, not only did it don't matter because of that, but it don't matter because he puts himself at in the car and he takes the away from me. The conspirators is out there to see, Uh, this person did it, or Reggie did it, or Sharita had somebody to do it, and all of

that book or the cop did it. I actually interviewed Chris Carroll, who was the first responder in Vegas, and you know, we talked about the conspiracy theory. He said he would need a corpse riding around on a bicycle, you know, in order to switch it real quick with like like I when you're talking about the people. That's that's a whole different brands actually confirmed the injury that Sugar had on his head that a lot of people thought Sugar was exaggerating coming on he was just spurting

out of blood. Yeah, and a lot of time, a lot of people didn't believe stories. Should believe to this day that there's a fragment in this here in this hand. He really believes that should believe you got a metal plate in this hear too they you didn't get no surgery. You didn't have surgery on that on that because if you did, you just stayed in the hospital. Wouldn't have been We all know it's great, some type of pragmant. You know, he was crazy. But my question is how

do you feel about the keep you D interview with you? Well, I feel with the KEYP E D interview, it goes, it goes along with the storyline that I've been hearing for the last fifteen years that you know, there's no conspiracy theory that the jumping of Orlando triggered a chain of events that ended Tupac's life. That the people that I've always heard were involved are the people that are involved.

There is no conspiracy, there is no government, there is no sugar making, you know, trying to put a hit out on somebody. The most obvious answer, you know, they went and jumped a guy who was a dangerous individual. Every interview that that has a long history that was being investigated from multiple murders at the time. Uh, no one's ever painted Orlando as a soft guy or a wanna be or anything of that sort. He was a hitter in his neighborhood and it's set off a chain

of events that never should happen. Exactly. Well, I got a question regard and keep you d because I've been dealing with this guy on and off since last year, and I could never get him to come on my platform because he's constantly asking for money. He wants to

get paid for any time he opened his mouth. So I'm assuming you had to do some give him some sort of uh, you know, dangle something in front of him to get him to come on your platform, because I know this dude, He's not coming on anyone's show doing an interview, So how did you get him? We work something out. You can't talk about it worth about alright, last said he works something out. We works something out. Cool. Cool, alright. So, um, I wanted to ask you about the way you you

put your videos out. I guess when you divide your one and a half hour interview into these segments, it's all for the purpose of maximizing the view count. Well two things. It is there to maximize the view kind of obviously running business, so we want to make as much revenue off of our product as possible. But I think more importantly is to focus on the aspects of

the different parts of that interview. Like if I just put mob James interview and just threw it out just like that, it would not get nearly the type of response as it would have gotten the way I broke it down, Like here is the part about losing his younger brother, you know what I mean, Let's just put that part by itself and let people just understand the importance of this part. Here's the part about you know how you know how the relationship with should have happened,

and here's the easy situation. Here's you know, the fallout, and here's all these different parts that I believe deserve their own platform, you know that, their own peace. And that's really the main reason why I do do it the way I do. Otherwise so much would get lost in the shuffle of it all. And who really sits in front of a phone for an hour and a half, which is the main way that people consume YouTube videos? Do you look at your analytics every day and I

actually wish your average minute retention per video? It's it's hard to say because you know, the minutes range from five to sometimes fifteen minutes um, but about half of that so maybe three to five minutes on average. Because I noticed on my channel my average video retention is four minutes and like forty five seconds. But I'll put out a ten minute video, I'll put out a twelve minute video. But does that mean most people aren't watching

the entire twelve minutes? Right? And you know most people? You know, when you look at that, some people are watching the whole thing and some people are clicking off after two seconds, So you've got to take that into account. But um, you know, I'm not sure. I don't really look at that per se. I don't really look at uh. You know, when we get more views, we also get more minutes watched. Those go those usually go hand in hand,

but mostly we want to focus on specific parts. And it's sort of sort of like what happens on Instagram these days. You know, if there's a hot interview that comes out, the hottest one minute is gonna be all over your timeline. But we've been doing that from the very beginning. We've been finding the hottest five minutes here, ten minutes here, three minutes here, and we just keep

doing it over and over again. Now, I said this last week when we announced that you were going to be a guest, that you're only going to interview individuals that you know are going to bring numbers in terms of views, not just some guy that's out there with a mixtape, for example. And I was just making a distinction because, for example, you interviewed stupid Young Cambodie and guy from Long Beach, but only after he started buzzing,

after he did us on with Mazzi. I interviewed Stupid Young six years ago, and no one ever heard about the guy you know and um, and and that's what that's the difference in Uh, I guess our platforms are. I interviewed people who aren't well known. I interviewed people that I see something in. But correct me if I'm wrong. You would have never interviewed stupid young six years ago

when he didn't have a name. Probably not, because it's some it's like a symbiotic relationship, right, Like we have a platform and we introduce people to that platform, but we want those people to have a fan base already that will come to our platform, so new people will come to our platform as well, you know. So it's like it's a it's a situation where we'll both help each other most times, especially when it comes to artists and music and stuff like that. You know that this

is why we never accept payment for interviews. It's like, you know, we've turned on offers because it's like, well, I could put you on my platform, no one will watch it, you know, it really doesn't matter unless the story is completely insane or something of that sort. But you want to focus on your music, so you don't really have a fan base yet, so putting you out there is not really gonna help you. And it's gonna be kind of a waste, a waste of our time

potentially to our viewers who have no idea who you are. Either. Well, you know, I interviewed uh stupid young and no one new him. And I think at the end of the day, his video has got over a million views, you know, just some unknown Cambodian kid banging Asian boys from Long Beach. And you know, I think you never know what you're gonna get. You never know, and uh, that's why you made it. Well, you know, and and people, you know, there are certain stages in your career where you want

to use different platforms to help you get there. Yeah, you know, just like people turn us down because we feel we're not a big enough platform. Who turns you down? We get turned down every day. Everyone who would't want to turn down a platform that has radio. We We've never done a Chris Brown interview, We've never done an eminem video. You've never done jay Z. You can't understand jay Z turn you down. You know. I did Kindie a long long time ago and he was first starting,

hasn't come back. I did Nikki kind of early on. She's never come back. You know it happens. We understand you think Cardi will come back. You did Cardio Carti twice. Yeah, she hasn't come back. We've tried, you know, becauseptimes people reach a certain level. Now the only one to do Good Morning America. Well, I think once you're super super a list, any sort of YouTube platform is probably quote unquote beneath the artist. I mean it depends. I mean, I know a major artist that's about to do an

interview on a on a YouTube platform. I can't say who it is because a friend of mine, but uh, it really depends, and I think that, I mean, we're trying to change that because you know, you see these artists will do like a major radio station. They'll put it out and get like a thousand views, and if we had that artist will get you know, five million views easy. So it just depends. Um, you did Cardi

early on once she only had her mixtape. Yeah before that was before after before Okay, so you saw something in her. She really wasn't doing huge numbers, but she she was big on social media though her social media numbers were big. And then she's on the TV show.

She was on Love and Hip Hop as well, you know, and and like she was already she was signed to I think Atlantic, so you know, her her music was starting to get you know, it was serious enough for a major label to sign her, and you know they saw something over there. So we we do experiment with certain types of people in certain to guests and so forth. Sometimes it works out and it becomes you know, like

we were the first ones to ever interview me. Goes back before you know, Drake did Versace and that was their first ever interview, and that that worked out really well. Sometimes you interview people and you know that becomes really their only interview. I'm surprised how successful cardib has become over the last few years. And I came from loving hip hop, but it like I never thought she was a great artist, but I think she has grown over

the years. She has certainly um impressed me with a couple of her songs, but I could have never imagined the success that she would have reached, you know, once she got her teeth fix them all right. So you often get criticized for your fascination with gangster stuff, like you love to interview about cripp and blood stories, and it seems like you ask every single person from l a about the crack co Can epidemic. Does it ever get tired to you to ask these same questions? No, not,

not at all, Not at all. I think there's always been a fascination with the outlaw culture. Uh, definitely in America, if not the world. And you know, I grew up in the eighties, but I didn't grow up around that. You know, I'd already I only saw stuff like that in movies. And you know what I'm saying, Like with the prison culture, I grew up watching American media. I'd never gone to prison, you know at that point, and it was uh, you know, romanticized to a certain degree.

And I remember I ended up doing an episode of American Gangster h for BT on Mac Dre and The rom Room in two thousand six season one, season two. Yeah maybe maybe maybe. I mean it was two thousand eight, season three. It was the last season. They end up canceling it afterwards. Um, but yeah, I did the Matt Dre episode of American Gangster and I was given an actual budget and real cameraman and stuff like that. And when I saw that finished product, I was like, damn,

Like I want to do something like that. But you know, American Gangster was going away, So I kind of did it on my own platform, and I kind of feel like lad TV is sort of a natural progression of American Gangster, and you know, we try to do, you know, the best job that we can with the kind of budgets that we have to to recreate those types of stories. Do you consider your platform hip hop oriented? Because there are a lot of people that you do that have

nothing to do with hip hop. They're just pretty much like crime characters. I mean, it's also you know, financial characters like Grant card Own who owns one point two billion in property, or you know, we interviewed Jay Morrison, another real estate guy, or we've interviewed uh, you know, Malcolm X's daughter, or you know, Black Panthers or Nation

Islam figures and so forth. So do those videos do well even though there is an expectation that vlad is going to cover something to do with hip hop, But when you go outside of that, do those videos perform as well as expected? Uh? Some do, some don't. I mean, we interviewed uh, two members of the Central Park five two years ago, and that was like the only look in the hip hop space really that I even know of. And then two years later you have this blockbuster TV series. Um,

some pimps. Yeah, there's Pimps, Magic Juan Film or slam Uh. You know, we jump around a lot. We jump around on a lot of times. It's just like what am I personally interested in and who would I like to have an hour and a half conversation with and we just kind of take it from there. And since I owned the company, I just make the final decision every time. I don't have to clear it by anybody or or

get an approval or anything of that sort. And I think we all at some point, I've watched one of his interviews, right, James, Um, I mean you've been on the channel now twice. Ye, Jenny, don't even watch his own interviews. I haven't watched any of them. But you know, I just listened to how people talk and and and I say it all the time, you speak this way of black. But when I'm ownish, when when I did

those interviews with him, I don't. I don't sit there and feel like I'm being leading into answer a question or if I'm getting the same question five or six times. I mean, it's just a straight up interview. And to each his own Every person that get interviewed has I mean, say what you say. If you don't want to say it, just don't say it or answer the question. So how can you blame blad for you opening you goddamn mouf and saying the wrong goddamn thing. No, that's that's that's

not his fault. So everybody has a right to say what they say until their own opinion. And and and you know, listening to those guys that say, oh Black put me in the bag, or or he trying to get us to go against each other, me personally, don't see that me personally have to didn't have to deal with nothing like that, or or feel that, oh man, he just asked me too much, or felt like you know, I'm mean, he put me in the sweat box. You

know what I'm saying. Every every both interviews I did where I mean, I'm just as comfortable as I am now you know what I'm saying. And there was no kicking your leg and and twitching up the eyes say no, that ain't what I want you to say, or can you repeat what you just said? Well, I think you've come with a lot of wisdom. James even myself. When I do interviews. I've done dozens of interviews. Sometimes I sit back and I say, Damn, I shouldn't have said that,

or I don't like the way I worded that. And I'm a grown man myself, and I think there are some people that have went on Lad's platform and said some things that they shouldn't have said on on on that. I like mentioning my brother now an interview I've ever done, I've ever mentioned Timmy, you know what I'm saying, because of the place where we at. You know what I'm saying, So I try to stay away from that. You know what I'm saying. I never mentioned how my pops was.

I never, I meant, I never pretty much did my family, you know, speak on my family. But with him, I mean I was just comfortable with Lad, and I mean maybe I felt that it was I'm trying of holding on to that pressure with Jimmy. You know what I'm saying. So, I mean, it was a conversation, so I chose to I wasn't. It wasn't forced out of me. I chose to speak on it. Well, like I said, you come, you bring more wisdom than the average person. You know

age experience, all the things you've been through. But for example of that, I don't want to ask you about you did reject on that before you go too, because you know, Vlad always get a bad rap with um with do you know, not taking coach of Volter and all of that stuff, But people don't, don't They forget. And what I always not I respected before that, but I really respect him the thing that he did with that dude Carrie Laton when he needed that go fund page.

He used his platform and his audience to go and set up this form from a guy that was shouldn't have been in custody, you know, from a law enforcement spot. He shouldn't have been. He eventually got out. I don't know who the end knowing what the money, but that's not our business. But he before he knew all of this, he set this up, use his platform to make something happen that would have been a positive thing to help this man get out of the situation that he shouldn't

have been there. And you gotta take your hat off and stuff like that. Stuff like that, little stuff like that goes missed by us who liked to sit back on the keyboard and and say all the crazy and try to be the funny man and have the funny jokes. But that was a big thing that he did for that man, especially if he would have needed that attorney. Yeah. I think they raised about fifteen thousand the last I

checked on. That might have been a little more. Yeah, I think it was a a little bor than that, a little more than that. But you for setting that up. I reached out to big you. Whatever you have to do it, you know, Yeah, yeah, Rember. At the same time, Glad is getting an incredible amount of content of exclusive over the phone interview that everyone want to get, everyone want to hear, right, Yeah, I mean and if you got flagged by by YouTube. So we didn't. We didn't

really make any any real money off that. But uh that that wasn't the reason why we did it. I just I thought it was a fun up situation and so too much. But me being a person this in media are you I'm norm still But this whole job, he has a media company, he's a media he has to get in the interviews. This goes like he doesn't. I don't think asked the questions for itself. I think he asked the questions that the audience wants to hear,

and I think that's the main thing. You try to get that because you know, if someone's to come here today, now, there are some things I probably will end it out, Like if a guy came in here, like there's some stuff that he may say that I may, you know, just because I know sometimes this seems like just a conversation, you know what I mean, It's like we're having a conversation.

So it's some stuff I may hear that I may edit out and say, you know what, I don't want to get Nobody in trouble had enough to come back on somebody. But I think what he does. I think he just tries to get the baste if you're possible. I don't know if he's trying to necessarily real road because he don't seem that. I can give an example. I can play devil advocate, you know. I like to play both sides, and I can see where people will get that impression from because like on interview with me,

I'll use my stuff. For example, I told him might want to talk about something, but he kept pushing. Now and it's on me though if I kept answering, Yeah, you know, I remember that one. You know, it's on me. You know, he asked me about my course situation, and I told you I don't want to talk about it, but he pushed an accident in a different way, and I end up talking about it. So I understand when y'all say, what are you getting that on? That? Just

like enough? But I could have this shut up, but you have to say afterwards, I could ask him to cut it out, but deep down you didn't want to talk about it the way it was phrased, I think, and I think when he rephrased it, then I felt more comfortable or the way he rephrased that, and you would asked me to cut out a certain part of the first interview after the fact, and we honored that. Yeah, okay, so yeah, I want to get back to what Reggie just said. Um, I remember that that interview he you

asked about his case. He said, didn't want to talk about it, but you kept probing. He kept probing. Now, let me just say this, when I do my interviews, my interviews are very sensitive because I'm in the streets. I'm dealing with people that are in the hood, and I'm usually in the hood with them, So when they tell me, Alex, I don't want to talk about that. You know, my responses immediately immediately is okay, it's over

with um. But when you're in you're in your own studio, you're in your own environment, and I guess that gives you the level of comfort to probe even though someone may not want to talk about something. But did you hear what he said? He said when I but I'm asking about his questioning stuff. Well, here's the thing. Hip hop journalism has historically been pr If you look at historically hip hop, UH journalists have never really pushed artists

into serious interviews. It's always been just promotion for their albums, and that's pretty much it. UH. When I came up, I didn't want to do that. I looked at sixty Minutes. I looked at Barbara Walters, I looked at Oprah, I looked at these platforms that these interviews actually would change the world. They would change the laws, they would change the course of people's lives, they would unearthed wrongs in society, and they made a big impact. A great interview is

supposed to be uncomfortable. It's not supposed to be just a bunch of happy topics and you know, celebratory conversations. It's supposed to break ground. And what I do has a higher purpose of you know, being a historian in this era and capturing the stories of what I feel are important people. And that's my overall reason for what I do. And uh, you know, in the course of doing that, there are gonna be tense moments, and there are going to be sensitive topics, and some people are

going to open up. Some people are not going to open up. Some people can get angry, you know, some people are gonna threaten to walk out. Things happen, um, but there is a higher purpose of what we're doing here. And I saw two interviews recently. I know that your boy he started asking what are you talking about? He got angry, but but it was it was a playful. It was a playful, but it was It was one one cat that the guy that told you about see

Gutter that was in jail, We'll see Gutter. I think he actually something that was kind of I think Chili. I think it was Hill, Yeah, where he pretty much called you all and was like, why do you ask people these type of questions? Didn't call you That was su surf baby yeah, Well it was a guy that doesn't have a national name. He had more of a regional name. I forgot his name though, But yeah, he

didn't call you people. Yeah, I mean people have people are sitting down with me, so they absolutely have the right to call me out and to debate what it is that I do. And uh, I'll answer all those questions and we'll leave it. We'll leave it in the interview and we'll run it. Uh what is that? Uh? Uh? Yeah, man. People have challenged me, people have criticized me, and uh, you know, most people who have who have problems with me, they have an open seat to come to come talk

about those problems, and some do. Now. I wanted to ask you earlier about the A r Ab interview you did. I felt that that he said a lot of things that he shouldn't have said. But then I also think some of those parts of that interview should have never been posted. I think it's gonna be used against him and he's probably gonna serve some time. I don't know what role the video it was gonna play, But do you ever feel like this guy probably said too much? Yeah,

it's gonna get a lot of views. Yeah, people are going to be excited about it, but there's a level of responsibility that I should Um, we can need money back quarterback. That did you know that setting there that he was There's no way you didn't know he was saying some crazy stuff. Well first sorry, Uh, first of all, all my interviews focused on the past, you know. I

focus on the statue of limitations on topics. I'll never ask about a murder knowing that there's no statue of limitations unless you know, and I have interviewed people about you know, and I have. I have interviewed people who have done you know, like Ben j from the New Boys. He killed somebody in self defense. Um admitted. Chili admitted to killing somebody and doing the time for it. Um no no plug Uh you know, admitted to killing Bankroll Fresh,

you know, in self defense once again. But never have I asked anyone about doing crimes. Currently. Everything is things that you used to do, things that you rap about, and so forth. So at the end of the day, it's up to you to talk about what what you want to talk about. Anything you say in an interview can be used against you, just like everything you say in a song can be used against you people gotta people have gone to prison over songs. You know what

I'm saying. Anything you do on social media can be used against you. Anything you say on a phone can be used against you. Being out in public with all these cameras and drones and so forth can be used against you. You have to be on point if you're still committing the type of crimes that you're glorifying. At the same time, you have to be on point whether you want to talk about it or not. My suggestion, my suggestion is if you're still actively doing crimes, don't

talk about rhymes on any platform at any point. Norman, you had something, you let me ask you this. If I was the phone managed to get O. J. Simpson quote from this show, and he came in and said, you know what, fund I did it? Don't turn you. Don't even tell me to go tell me, Norman, go home and enter that peace out because O J kis did that. Hell nor think. No, it's different for O J. Because he was acquitted, so he can never go to jail for that. Even if he came in the middle.

He could come in there and said he could come in there admit that he did it all. He had a book. He had a book. If I did it, I found I found a copy of it that it's a little different. That's a little different because O J was acquitted from that and he can never get in trouble for that. What do you what do you? What are you really saying? Is I killed somebody? I'm I'm waiting on my trial to start, and then I do an interview with Blad. Do I sit here and tell

bad detail from detail how I killed this motherfucker? This is somebody. No, not to talk about the end of the thing. It ain't play as a job, because you know what, I'm a manager. I managed a couple. I have managed Glass Malone and Crazy bone Off. I'm in there and they go see Flat and they say something, I'm gonna go Holloway and that crazy. I'm that's not his responsibility, well not his responsibility. Really. I feel what you're saying because I you know, I can have this

thing in my head. Okay, well maybe this guy's will get in trouble. But at the end of the day when I talk to them, people back in New York like all these shows, like you know about the shows. They care about numbers, and so I know what, It's a business at the end of the day. So somebody comes in and saying something, it's not really his job. The baby said, people, if they come in there, now,

that ain't what Alex saying. What Alex is saying it is basically, have you just said back and just had a conscious to say damn, I know he know what he just did on this. Before I edit this, let me call him and talked to him and tell him I've done that. I've done that before. Well not only have I done that it and and told people, hey,

I'm gonna cut this out. Uh, we've gotten a certain like for example, when I interviewed the baby, Uh, there was an incident where he kills someone in self defense and a Walmart and it was still technically an open case, even though ultimately that they dropped the charges against him because it was self defense. You know, they got him with like an illegal firearm probation bullshit. But I said, hey, I know this is an open case, so we're not gonna talk about it. We're gonna touch on you know.

We touched on it that way and we kept it moving. Um. I have I have a number of offers of people who are in prison right now awaiting trial that want to do an interview. I want to do an interview with me, just to kind of get their side of the story out. And once again I'm like, this is an open case. Um. You know, we don't want our

stuff to be used in courtrooms, uh, to hurt people's cases. Um. But ultimately, all this stuff is going to potentially be used, you know, the interviews, the all your social media uh uh, as well as your music possibly if you're an artist, So you have to be aware of that. It was a subject that I was willing to check you on and I told him you can ask me about it, and he told me, now, let's leave it alone. I know what you're talking about. Yeah, okay, let's get your

real ship. Man. How do you A lot of people say you have it out for Shig and you don't Night Man? Do you hate Shige Night? I've never met your Night. I can't. I can't hate someone i've never met, right, you can you can hate the persona. He said that if y'all listen to the interview that he did with me, he talked about he explained that great I will I will say this and I've said this before. I've been

around Sugar two three, three times. I remember my life where we were standing close to each other, and I've always chosen not to speak to him because there's so much, so many bad stories I heard around him that and I know that he knows who I am. You know, he's spoken to two people who was spoken to me about it, So it's not like we would be complete

strangers when we met. But I just chose not to associate with him based on all the stories I've consistently heard from everyone that's you know, deal would dealt with him in any sort of fashion. Uh, And that's basically how I feel. And he let some stuff go out on this error. Positive I said positive things about show and Gotty. If you listen to that interview, he makes you really get some new resfine respect for things that

he said. I though. I thought, yeah, I thought she was going to get off, and I've said that he was. Never I thought that as much time as a guy. I never thought years when there was no chance of him getting off, none at all, unless you believe the gun theory, unless you believe actually you did mention that in an interview. I did mention. Let me clear this up for the record, because Bone is my man. Yeah, I heard about this. Bone is never he had never he had no gun on him. I heard about talk.

There was no The police never accused him of having a young man had no business walking up salking on him like that's another debate, and that's another debate. But he never had a woman because I understand that. But it looked like it looked like why would you hand someone a walkie talking when you're when you had just gotten run over. That's the end. It's a very grainy video, so there is a theory that it was a gun, but I had heard the same thing. We have a

person in common as well. I know he was all upset over someone Piste because it's actually the faming his name, well his money. And he told me he wanted to sue anyone that said he had a gun. You know he was. Yeah, but I can tell you with confidence there was no gun. And in fact, if you look at it, he's using two hands because she never brought it up. But it's a story later. And you know, the way I even found out about that story is that I was trying to get Bone all that TV happened.

He don't you never know, well, you never know. I should I should never say never say never, never say that. But I'll love for having to come in and talk about that whole theory and even get mad at me if he wants to that. You're calling it the theory. You know everything, everything is a theory. But if you look even just looking at that case, Okay, she got twenty eight years for either panicking and taking the funk off while getting punched on, I mean, it can go

all different kind of way. So I'm gonna tell you why he got twenty years. He didn't get twenty eight years for killing for killing Terry Carter. He got twenty eight years for trying to manipulate the evidence that they recorded and presented to his lawyer right before he decided

to take the deal. Tampering with evidence was part of why he took the twenty eight years that, like I told you, I said on last show, they cleared out the court room trying to pay witnesses to come testify, and when that was going on all before they did search once on his sister and for being a partner of that right. All types of people went down around that case. Culpepper the other, Yeah, lawyers, his girlfriend's friends. Yeah, you know, it was the whole thing. It was a

ship show man all right. Um but but but I just want to say this, I don't know Shug, so I can't like him or dislike him. I'm unbelievably impressed over what he did with Death Row, which he was very instrumental in building, uh, creating a catalog of timeless music, you know, which you know, everything that I cover, well, a lot of the things that I cover is really based on Shug's legacy. So absolutely, like yeah, that kind

of talked about it on previous episodes. There were a lot of other people that were the brains of the operation. It wasn't just Sug was it was a whole lot of the people that don't get their credit but marketing and and and and strategizing there. So that's all honest, the marketing party that James. I ain't gonna say nothing on that. I'm just gonna say this, your platform Flat TV helps a lot of people. It helped me. I got every the majority of the people that contact me.

I just had one guy four this morning hit me and said it was his brother's birthday. He had a drink and he had his gun and he was ready to go out. He left the gun at home. He thanked me for my words, for me speaking, and I'll show you on my phone that this guy, I mean, he made me feel good that he actually listened to me when I said, you know, I used to get drunk on a bunch of his birthday every fifth and be ready to trip now and I have to let that go, you know, I gotta move on. And and

he listened to that. So this is what he did, and they would have never got it. And a lot of people call me and say, man, you speak well. Man, I I'm sorry about your your your situation, but man, I'm learn learning. Uh. One guy in Texas, he's teaching his students they watched your black video of me, and he he given them to the video to him and and they're coming back like, Wow, I don't want to be a don't that thugsh it is don't pay you

know what I'm saying. So I thank you for for my story being out there the way I told it and not switched around or whatever, and people getting it and they understanding and and all of these people hit me, man is is great. And since then Man, the first time my family ever said they was proud of me. You know, is watching this video and just like, wow, I thought you was a dumbass. You talked Okay, No serious,

you know everything about me was gang. If I signed my name, I signed my name as a gang writer, you know, gang writing everything. I had to switch everything. So to be where I'm at now, just to be sitting here a is a blessing for me. And and that video, man, I swear to God it it changed my life. And you know, I applaud him. I applaud you for doing one with me, and you know, just

it just all depends on the people that's listening. I think you've been there for a long time and you got me hooked up with it, and I just don't think my story would have been I mean, no, Greg, dude, a wonderful job, you know what I'm saying. And then I did to Blad and and man, just people just it's it flipped the strip. I was impressed with the interview you did with Greg. What was that a couple of years ago? You saw that interview. That was an

impressive interview. Yeah, it flipped the strip. Yeah, the only part that damn why you wait till you fifty years old to be a crop baby? So that killed me, But I mean, I don't want to keep going on and on, but it changed my life, lad, And I'm I love it when when I get these messengers and and all these uh people hitting me and texting me, I'm loving it and and I'm glad I can speak to other people when they understand my story and say

this ain't the way I want to go. And that was one of my reasons for just letting it all out. If if if I can give one but man, I got more than one person understanding where I'm coming from. And I love it. And you go to Australia too, right, Yeah, I'll be in Australia and I'll be out there to the eleventh. I got my cracket down shoes when I when I get down there about me this lone knife so I can protect myself when he got damn king ruse they're talking about they're gonna get on me, jump

on and take me to the zoo. I'm not going to I'm good. But yeah, man, all of this has been wonderful. Man. And and you know, without what, without y'all doing what y'all do instead of Okay, let's put our hairs together and and and and this can be even greater, you know what I'm saying, because there's a lot of people across the world that don't know what the hell is going on here, and by what y'all do that now they hear it, now they want to

be a part of it. And I mean, it's just they're just more than fascinated with with our culture and what's going on with us. You know what I'm saying, How do you get to that point? You know? On this interview here with lad I mean, this is I mean, me telling him my life story. It's crazy, it kind of bothered me, but I mean, this is what I grew up in. This is how I became mom, James, this is this is how I feel about everything that

I've been going through. And and my whole my whole life was taking it out on other people because of my my home situation, you know what I'm saying. So it felt good to get it out. Man. Um, when I did the interview with James, told me some deep stuff about Pops. You've never spoke about that before. And then well I spoke with him, but this is the first time ever. And you know that was one of the biggest problems I had in my life. You know

what I'm saying this, man, You know what I'm saying. You, You, my pops, you know my mother, you my mama. If I don't feel this love from y'all, ain't nobody else out here gonna love me? So fuck everybody. And that was my life Autamo City. Every day I wake up putting my shoes on. I'm gonna hurt today. You know what I'm saying that, that's the way I used to think. And you know I didn't care about a woman because if my mom's didn't feel that way, I love me.

I know this broad ain't so I was very disrespectful man. That was deep. But it takes me longer to put my interviews out. I'm sure you're probably gonna beat me to the punch. Well, he's already out, James already that the part about his father. Yeah, okay, yeah, And y'all don't go looking for appreciate not to be out soon. I'm basically a one man band, so I don't have the resources to put him out as quick. But um, I met Sugar one time and it didn't go good.

It was an argument, it was a threat, and I had some already animosity against him because he had one of my close friends packed out in two thousand thirteen, had him put him in the hospital, almost died. And you know, like you said, um glad, everything that I've heard about Sugar, every story, actually Red is probably the only one that got positive stories about Shug. Of everyone I know that No, but I have the people that I know that no Shugar personally, most of the stories

are negative. You know, You've got the most positive stories of anyone that I know that No Sugar personally. And I know at least a dozen dudes that grew up Shoot. From what I know, Man, Shoot wasn't a bad person at the beginning. And you gotta look at it from from our perspective. When you start drinking, start doing other ship besides liquor, it started, it takes its toll, and it takes its toll and and you start you were totally somebody else, You totally out of character. You know

what I'm saying. When you wake up from drinking and drugs three days ago, you wake up, you're still on that ship. You're still You're still on that high. You might not be loaded, but you're still on that high. And you know a lot of people. I mean, you know, you get to a position where you had in your life and you got all these people. Man, you you some people don't there you go closing your eyes. Man, Now,

you don't want me to start flipping on chick. Now, James was talking about reds what happened Now, I wasn't talking about it, I mean shood, But but I listened to his ship nights stories over he gave man should we wasn't a bad person at first, but he changed into this this this guy he is and where he had now he changed into that ship because he loved the power, and that's what fucked him up. Anybody else, Reggie and nobody else can't tell me that ain't what

happened to Shoot. She was always a bullying O. Well, I ain't know him to be one. And what was he bullying was the high? You know? Well? And then would high he getting running and Donald to fight for you know, he talked talking ship to people and then calling your your cousins and Donald on a lot of people. They did it, they did it together. But you know, but when you have backup. You have you know, twin

cousins that uh just as big as you. You know, those are three big fish, straight fighters, and they would with everybody asked that was ready to are talking about touching. Shoot, there was his cousin, so should would pick a lot of fights. But at the end of the day, when the bill rain, they go running down standing right there

with Yeah, I believe he was a bully all along. Now, glad wouldn't an interview which sugar over the phone from California Department of Corrections be something that you'd be interested in? Why not? Like I said, man, too many bad stories. Not all good money. Not all money is good money. You know, there's a lot, there's lots of interviews that

I turned down. Uh you know, like for example of people want me to interviewed uh SPM, South Park, Mexican, but he's in prison from pregnating at thirteen year old. You know that aren't cool on that? You know, I mean, I'm sure it'd be a big interview or whatever else. And and that the the story around that is kind of weird because she was a stripper and a strip club, so he thought that she was of age. But still uh, yeah, but lots of stuff I turned down. And the Sugar

interviews one. I mean not to say that I've ever been offered that interview or anything of that sort, but I've never pursued it. I'm not interested in. I'm not looking to have a connection with him on on any sort of level. Uh. Plus we all we all tell it you hadn't had Reggie James and other people. I think Nick Yeah, yeah, Nick Cannon, uh is trying to do some stuff with him. Uh. Antoine Food Qua put out a pretty good documentary on Showtime. Uh. It was good.

Had his moment and crying at the end. I thought was that was pointing under an influence. Influence yea throwing up and all of that. It's called. I don't think Sugar is a good interview though I've seen him on half a dozen Chronic. They did a hell of a job with that. How he told that story from jail. You're gonna listen to Chronic and how he narrated that

just over the years. He doesn't seem like an interesting interview you kind of uh oh No, He's very cond some of the questions, he doesn't He's not as articulate as James and he doesn't really big the different that she was good. You just don't like him, You're probably right. Yeah, all right, real quick, I wanted to ask Glad about your reoccurring guests such as Lord Jamar brand new being with my one of my favorite groups in the late eighties,

you get Tradey. So how does that work where you decide, you know what, I'm gonna have Lord Jamaar come back on a regular basis? Do they become employees of the Black TV Company? No, they're not. They're not employees of None of my guests are employees. Uh, let's put it that way. Uh. You know, it starts off where we did an interview and he had a very opinionated and open form of communication that seemed to resonate with people.

So we bring him back, you know, maybe a few months later, and you know, people react to it again, and then before you know it, you know he's coming back on a regular basis. I mean we have a laundry list of people. I mean, outside of Lord Jamaar and trade E, there's b G knock out Uh. Uh truly had that guys between that's between y'all. You know, John Sally just as a regular guest. Big in the

marijuana game. Yeah, in the marijuana game and the vegan thing as well, hugely boosey, Um, who else, China, Mac, Godfree, a bunch of people, man. And that's in two thousand nineteen we realized that was sort of our strength, was our repeat guests still get good views, Yeah, a lot of You mean he got more views than keepd today and James. Yeah, like what I have. Current guys get a tremendous amount of views trade D Lord Jamar. I mean it seems like every Lord Jamar video hits at

least a hundred thousand views in the first few days. Yeah, usually, or more to three hundred thousand. Yeah. So, um, you must have been You came up in the eighties listening to the same music I was listening to. So it's been a big fan of Brand Nubian. Yeah, absolutely, and um absolutely. What do people think that this goes back to the comment that Reggie said earlier about being a culture vulture. You definitely are, I know, but you brought

it up. You brought it up, and I think people say that because here's a white Russian guy fascinated with hip hop, the same hip hop that I listened to in the eighties. I'm not so much of a hip hop head with today's artist, but you know, eighties up until eighties and nineties. Uh, that was my my error. And you love that same music too, Yeah, and I got you into it? Uh what got me into it? I was, uh, well, initially it was breakdancing, you know,

living in the Bay. Uh. When breakdancing became kind of a national phenomenon in the mid eighties around, I just fell in love with it. So I started, you know I used to break Yeah, I used to Yeah, well I never got to the windmill. I could head spin and you know, CENTI feed and I could pop flock eye and uh yeah, I just got into it real heavy. And I had a little crew, you know, my elementary school, and you know that led to the music and uh,

you know, just falling in love with the music. And uh, you know, I think I think part of it was, you know, even though I was I was a white kid.

I was a Russian kid named lad in an area where there were no Russians, and we were right at the height of the Cold War where really, like I was really hated by by a lot of people on a regular basis, and I think sort of like the the outcast kind of um feeling of hip hop is what kind of drew me to it, and um, you know I connected on that level, you know, of being different, of you know, I'm not fitting in to American society, and uh, I just kind of held on, you know,

from whatever off thirteen years old. Here I am in my forties, you know, still still loving new music and still loving all the old music. So you didn't live in an American Russian community when in the Bay Area, No, No. I actually grew up in San Mateo, which is a suburb of San Francisco, uh, through through high school and then I went to Berkeley. Uh So I lived in Berkeley and Oakland, uh in the early nineties, and that's when I started kind of kind of doing hip hop.

You know, we kind of stepped up. I started doing like production and djaying and stuff like that, you know, because I was in an area where there was other hip hop artists, you know, like Hieroglyphics and you know, and and Too Short and everyone else like that. So I started kind of taking it more seriously at that point, you know, living in more of an urban kind of environment. So he was at Berkeley in the early nineties. Yeah. Yeah, I graduated Berkeley from ninety six. Okay, I was at

USC graduating. So we're both from the Pac tennant Yeah exactly, Yeah, exactly. We're in a pac tenant during the same year. Yeah yeah, okay, all right, I want to pick but here a little bit. I don't do a little bit of reading for about three or four minutes, but I went on this subject from all three y'all. It's the grand Jury, Nipsey hustle Nipsey, and I did some research. Y'all believe that I did some research. All right, Um, but anyway, let me read this and I want to pick your brains. And I

think they got a problem. Um, and this is why this girl got a get um immunity agreement. Yeah, only throw it out and then then we'll talk about it for right quick. Okay. The they never tell us the name of a young lady. She's a thirty two year old thirty two year old girl. She worked as a caregiver during the day and transport and transport transporter at night. Probably uber or left has uh lived in California, says

two thousand and four. She lived in the christian A district from two thousand five to two thousand seven, but claimed she has never heard of the Rolling Sixties. This is all in her grand jury testimony, even though she used to hang out at the Slawson swat meeting. Okay, Slawson swat his bod alright, but sixties also frequent that area. It's it's Harvard parkmood. She met the suspect on February two thousand nineteen while giving him a ride as a customer.

A social relationship began, but she claimed the suspect and her was not intimate towards her. They had one sexual encounter but never kissed. What's that call a low job. She claimed to have seen him multiple times with guns and which he said he needed for protection. She also claimed to never have seen his game. Tattoos are known he was a member of the Rolling sixty game. A week after meeting the suspect, she accompanied him to his

cousin herl's apartment where they recorded music. Where she where he recorded music, and she witnessed his cousin giving him a gun before they left. On marsh to thirty, two thousand nineteen, the suspect wanted to hang out with the driver with her, but was unable to because she had to work that day. On the thirty one March, the driver called the suspect, who wanted her to take him to the Inn and out Burger. When they met later, they both lived in Long Beach and they decided to

go to l Ad. Most of y'all, y'all think y'all know all of this, but a lot of people don't know all that stuff. Okay, you're reading a summary of it, correct, I summarize. I'm gonna well, you can read that. I summarize it. When entering in the car that day, the suspect wasn't wearing a shirt this is the point I want to get to, but was carrying a red T shirt in his hand with the bandanna tied around his neck.

When they reached Slawson Avenue, the suspect directed her to pull into the Strip mall, where the Marathon clothing store is located. When turning into the mall, the driver noticed Nipsey hustle and mentioned she wanted to take a picture with him. The suspect remained quiet, giving no indication he knew Nipsey. According to the witness, which is her at the same Nipsey recognized the suspect and asked one of his friends, is that shitty or shitty or whatever his

name is. The suspect exit the car and walked into Master Burger. After leaving Master Burger, he approached Nipsey and the crew, shaking their hands. Nifty acts as suspect where he had been, which the suspect reply he had been staying out of the way. Nipsey mentioned there's being paperwork out on the suspect, which the suspect replied people were just hating on him. Nipsey told him noticed that Nipsey said to him, according to her, that he was his

bro and suggested he addressed the situation. This is not from her though, This is from one of the guys. This statement right here addressed the situation, basically looking out for the guy. According to the witness, the conversation did not get heated and there was no animosity or harsh words. This is your boy, just talking cowboy group, my boy. I was gonna say the other guy, but it's not

here this cowboy. The suspect also asks the group that had they heard his new song, which they all replied no. The driver left her car and approached Nipcy for a picture. According to her testimony, she heard the suspect acting Nifcy the ever snitched. Nipsey made a hand gester, waiving the suspect off, appearing to be done with the conversation. The driver left and the group and returned to the car and immediately posted the picture of her and Nipsey to

her Facebook page. The suspect walked back and to the Master Burger, then to the driver car, acting her for two dollars to help pay for the food. He then walked walked back into Master Burgers and then before leaving, approach Nipsey and the crew, shaking everybody's hand. When he entered the driver's car, he directed her to drive around the corner. He then pulled out of the gun and

began putting. The driver told him he wasn't going to do a drive by in her car, so from that from this point on, the driver knew something was about to go. Now this is my some some nation. According to her testimony, she pulled into the Alleyft eight Place, which is on the corner of Marathon Stroke, so he could eat his food. The suspect exited the vehicle, putting on a red T shirt, saying he'd be right back.

According to the witness, to suspect approach Nepcy from behind and said you're through and began firing with a gun in both hands, so he had two guns. Don't read the whole thing. So I'm almost finished. It's been like five minutes. Okay, well, good listen to you. I listened to you forty five on your personal ship. Nipsy was hit a total of ten times. The driver heard two shots from her car and she waited for the suspect. The suspect and of her car told her to drive.

The driver acts the suspect what happened, which replied, dry before I slap, Before I slap you. She asked the suspect where he wanted to go next? What she replied to the cousin Harold's apartment. This is an important part to Harold's apartment. He also suggested she turned on some some music. She dropped him off at the cousin Harold's apartment and returned home to her mother's house, where she

learned nifty Hustle has been murdered. I got more, but y'all getting impatience, so I'll leave it with this go from there. My point to all of this is number one, this guy gets in the car. She's lying, and a good defense attorney gonna tear her up because you're trying to say she never noticed he had game tattoos on her, and how did he get into a car with no

shirt on? And she didn't see two guns? You know, I know we got conspirators out there, everybody on the internet now saying that he got the gun from Master Burger, somebody in Master Burgers gave him the guns and all of that, which is not true. I'm just trying to show that this this young lady, it's lying. She gave her up. You didn't hear over there with the camera, lady,

Let's start with line number one. Huh, Line number one, howl in the hell she didn't know that she got tattoos, that he's tatted up and he ain't got no shirt. Number number two, get in the car. Let's do it. You want her to be able to read the tattoos she said he had any tattoos on a lot of people don't know how to read those tattoos. And if she's not from l A, you said she's from from

Loach from. I was gonna get to that, but she moved to California in two thousand four, two years when even then you don't know you in the sixty neighborhood. Maybe she's been living in the Inland Empire for the last people in the in the empire, and I you know game tattoos and game members and that everyone could read those tattoos, know those tattoos and second second one to second one, no shirt on where was it? And then he had two guns on where did he hid

the guns? That? Who knows? In the pockets and pants pockets from? I mean, what's your main problem with the girl? Uh? Well, I would have got to all of it, but it did go a little longer than what I what. It sounds like you're trying to say there's a conspiracy that she's I'm lying, and that their main witness, that the prosecutor main witness is going to get tore up on the stand by her trying to cover up, to cover herself up. I don't see anything that she's covering up. Okay, Well,

for one, she got immunity. How does anybody she got an immunity. I'm not saying she's gonna get it. I'm saying she's gonna hurt their case because the young man per he's not talking, he's not he's not saying much. She's just a driver, that's all. She is, a d she unless you think she's a participant, she's a protest. She brought him back to the location. You watched him lowering up the gun. The um the car, would I

mean the bullet. Watched him lowing up the gun, drove him a ray from the scene, win and got him a motel room. I felt, I felt in danger of my life. Left him a whole day later. She said she heard it on the news. Oh, she was with him the whole rest of the day. She went and w him a motel, got him a room. Not only that, I'm starting the shot. So basically, what you're saying is, I'm just solders might beat this case because they have a bad witness. I'm saying there's gonna be a problem.

A good defense attorney gonna tear her up. And let me ask you a question. Yeah, if you and I was in the car, you just picked me up. I said, hold up for a minute, I've been going here. I walked into this burger stand and I started popping, and she's gonna sit there and wait for me to come out. And I get in the car, and you ain't tripping. You go home. You don't call the police, you don't her that somebody got killed up in there. You don't say nothing. You're just as guilty as to shoot it.

I disagree. No, let's say I wait and you get in the cart. Um drivers geta quit it all the time. I got to not guilty last year from drivers who were charged with first degree murder people Versusmad Welch from Fai Doos Hoover. They charged him with first degree murder because he was the driver. Tell us about Little All from Baby Lane, tell us about that situation. No, I'm just telling you people. They have new laws now where the driver is not given the same sort of culpability

that they did in the eighties and nineties. They have a rule that they say is I was scared for my life. And there's the premeditation aspect of it. Like she could say she didn't know that he was going to go over there and do anything, but she's definitely guilty. You could actually argue Eric didn't go there with the purpose of killing. So there's no first degree. Well, technically there's no first degree murder here. He was charged with

first degree because he was the second coming back. If you would to the shodow knee, ye, he did, but he wouldn't have a burger or a food. A good lawyer told me to drive back. Look, this guy's gonna get found guilty a second degree murder. No he's not. He got three minutes because when he left the location. When it came back and hands her drive in the parking lot, she tells him, then he doing no job by all of my car. But how much time passed from going to the car and coming back enough time

to go on to hamburger stand? And yeah, a couple of minutes. Yeah well yeah, yeah, maybe first degree, second degree, but first it sounds like you're saying that, and he had two guns the cases because she has a lot of inconsistence going to prison. What do you think, Glad, I think he'll get life in prison. I don't. I mean, there's a baratorium on death penalties in California, right, so he's not gonna get the death penalty, but he'll get

left from prison. Yeah, we haven't executed because at the moment that don't mean the prosecutor can ask for the right. He's eligible for it under the laws. But yeah, but but there's they haven't executed anyone, and what but they still they still will prosecute you and send you. They haven't executed anyone since January two thousand six, which is kind of crazy. What's your position on the definitely, Um, it's a tough call. Me and one of my guests

had a big argument about it. And he he had more guest he had more you know, facts than I did. I think the problem with the death penalty is that if one innocent person gets executed, it kind of pulls, you know, pulls out the rug on that whole on the whole practice, questions, the whole process, questions process you know, certain people, I mean, and I believe in an eye for an eye. I believe certain people deserve to die

for things that they do. I'm not a pacifist by any stretch of the imagination, but I think that the possibility of an innocent person being executed, uh, you know, makes makes that whole system flawed. And like I said, I interviewed the Central Park five who admitted to raping this woman through coerced police tactics and did seven years each. And you know, and being thrown in into prison as a rapist is not is not the same thing as

going in as a gangster. Do you understand why some young people might just confess because I think people are confused, like if they said they did it, they must have did it. What's your position on that. You can throw a fourteen year old and you tell them, like, just tell us you did it, and you can go home.

And you've been there for a couple of days and you're not a criminal, you have no record, you you had no bad experiences with the copsvious you're you're crying, you're confused, your parents aren't there, you don't have anyone there, and they're just like, we'll just say it and you could go home. The story before all of that, that's why you know, they were telling stories before they even found the lady. They were pretty much telling the story.

The kids have something new, something about this this incident. Can you believe can you believe what ready just said? I truly believe that. Can you believe this? Yeah? But there was no DNA found one person's DNA on the sock on the sock, not even on a person. They had washed her down, they had did so much to her to u to clean her up. I'm not saying,

you know, those guys are completely innocent. I'm I'm saying the story before dog them the boys out without no coffee, no vationline, no nothing, and they had them in there for a whole day. And when I watched those two guys on your interview, just listening to the way they articulate themselves, there's a sincerity, there's a realness that comes through them that they had nothing to do with this.

Am I right or wrong? Absolutely? Man? Absolutely. I mean they said my interview that they thought the cops were their friends, they had no problems with cops or anything else like that. Uh, you know, it was it was horrific what they went through at such a young age. And uh, I mean, I'm glad that an actual Netflix

movie was made out of it. And you know, and it kind of applied some of the prison rapes and stuff like that, like because you know, when you see I didn't interview Corey Wise, but when you see Corey Wise, he looks messed up. He he does not look like a regular. He does not look like it wasn't too sharp at the beginning. Just crazy, that's what that's documented. That's it that he was. He had a speech and betterment. He they said he was slow. They said that. Well look,

look I was gonna ask you. You interview two of the guys. Um, how come you weren't able to get the other three stories told on the platform? Uh, we just didn't have a contact. And my friend, my son actually knew those two guys, so he was he was able to kind of uh set us up with that, you know, because I heard the story, you know, growing up, even though I didn't live in New York, but you know, he knew him. We set it all up. We did it with just the two of them because they were

actually closer friends than than the other guys. And uh yeah, I mean I would love to interview the rest of them, but they're kind of like on a run right now. It must be bizarre to have an interview that you did a couple of years previously and then see a movie that almost mimics the interview that you did of the two guys. Uh yeah, I mean Michelle a same thing the interview I did with her pretty much hern

into her biopic. I haven't seen that one. Yeah, uh yeah, I mean that, But that's that That's why I do them, you know, so some someone could look at it and say, hey, this, let's put some more money behind it and bring it into a bigger production. You know. I feel like not everyone is gonna get uh like, a full blown documentary made about them, but a lot of people have lad

TV documentaries made about them, you know, like that. I did an interview with the surviving member of Milli Vanilly, you know, where he laid out that whole story, which is just a crazy, crazy story. You know there is, but there is no movie or documentary about him. But you could watch that. You could really get the whole story from one of the from the person who was there from beginning to now. So what are some of the upcoming interviews that you haven't even dropped yet? You

got coming out? The back ten interviews not coming out? Yeah, uh, we we did. We did that. We did the interview, and afterwards, he just didn't want it to come out right now, based on some stuff that he you know, he's working on. Not really that he said, but yeah, I mean partly, you know, he he just he just kind of had second thoughts after the fact, and uh, you know, we we discussed it for about for about six months and then yeah and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

And what I told him is, uh, you know, because he's telling me about certain things that are coming up and he's worried the interview might potentially get in a way that so I I told him just flat out, you know, man, And man, I said, listen, uh, I still own this interview, and I'm not gonna say it's never coming out, but I have no plans of putting

it out for the time being. But if your ass die tragically anytime, so it's not that you know, I mean, let's say they do, uh, if they do a big ice Cube documentary or something like that, you know, and he's tied into the ice Cube story, we may put it out at that point. You know. I don't know, like I didn't, you know, I told him, I'm I'm not telling you I'm never putting it out. But for now, I'm not putting it out. I'm just having my vault and uh, you know, you never know, maybe in the

future will come out, maybe won't. Hm. We uh. Sorn Baker did one here on one of the guys that have the podcast here, did mac ten yet I heard about that. Yeah, but you know my I do. Mynevies a little different than you know, shout out to sorn, but my NEMI is a little different. Well, that's disappointing that the mcten interview is not coming out. Might be

frustrating because I get it a lot. I might either do an interview and they don't want it to come out, or they might cancel on the cancel you cancel on you, I should say, UM, talk about some of the frustrating incidents that you've had, either after an interview or trying to get the interview. Yeah, I mean we had one guy that canceled one didn't show up one day, and then showed up two hours late the second. The second time when the cameraman already gone home. And then we

you know, a couple of years passed. They wanted to try it again, and we had two interviews set up, but he had some courtship that you know, he had to cancel last minute, and then on the day it was supposed to happen, he showed up so late that we said we couldn't do it because we had another interview coming up. We're not gonna canceled on someone else because someone can't be you know, there on time somebody

was cooked out. I don't know, man. You know I've had I've had I've had interviews where they were scheduled but someone got in their ear and told them not to do it. So they just you know, didn't show up that day and told us afterwards what the reason was. I've had, um you know, all types of ship happens, man. You ever just like just really got into a serious conversation with somebody had the ball you fishing. I'm gonna let you with my ass type of ship you can

go on and walk out. Uh no, man. I tried to treat by people respectfully, you know, if you're sitting down, you know, because generally people don't get paid for these interviews. If you're taking time out of your you know, out of your important life to sit down and donate your time to speaking to me, I'm gonna I'm gonna treat you respectfully, man, And you know I'm not here. You know. We had a couple of times, you know, um like like for example, with three Greedo, things got kind of

heated between me and him. I kept asking him a question that he just didn't want to answer and got an answer anything. Well, you know, he was on his way to prison to do like what twenty years or something. Yeah, so he was in a certain mind state, you know already, and at one point he kind of got angry at me over an interview I was at over a question I was asking. So we just gotta, you know, we calmed down the situation. We sat down, and we finished the interview and we cut that part out. Did you

almost not even uploaded the three interview? No? No, because it wasn't It wasn't like that. It wasn't like that. Sometimes. I remember I did an interview with um you got from uh from Wu Tang and he was just would get angry at me every other question. So I was like, no, funk this interview, and I just I just shelved it for like a year and a half. But then the Woutang documentary came out on showtime and I'm like, well, ship, I got this unreleased Wou Tang interview that's talking about

essentially the whole story. Fuck it. So, you know, we cut certain parts out where I felt like he was just kind of being disrespectful because because that's not the you know, like certain people, you know, like the drama in the interview and like people walking out and acting crazy or whatever else. But but that's not the platform that I'm trying to, you know, to display, you know what I mean, Because then everyone's gonna come in and try to do something stupid in interviews, you know what

I mean. Like we're trying to set up a professional, respectful platform and if things get kind of stupid, we'll just cut it out or we just won't put up the good interviews will be Gene deal. Uh we reached out to Genem Yeah, but he's nine now. But nobody's in urban stuff is bigger than that. I don't care. I don't understand why the Source magazine or All hip Hop, who were the big hip hop internet machines in the mid two thousands that first decade, but the Source that

was never an internet machine never. My question is why didn't ever the Source and even All hip Hop tried to have the web site. Well All hip Hop was, yeah, but when you look at their platforms right now, it's nothing. They they didn't focus on video, yeah, they just focused on web that they focused on the web. You know, I mean, in fact, I mean my my dot com platform. I mean it's holding steady, but it's not like growing like the like the video YouTube platform. Um, they just

didn't embrace the proper technologies. They must look at you and say, we're supposed to be lad. Yeah, I mean, I mean to take it even one step further. I've met with the Source and double x Cel early in flat TV days and offered to work with them, and they pretty much for like now we're good, really know, we know what we're doing. We don't need your help.

Was like all right, had a Sunday Radio used to you know, Dave lost Dave and Benzino lost the Source to Londall McMillan, who was a lawyer who bought it out of it out of bankruptcy, and he's never taken it. Yeah, he never really took it seriously. I mean he runs his law firm out of the same office that the Source has run off of, you know what I mean. So it's like just kind of like a side hustle. It's the impression I get. So you kind of passed up all of the traditional hip hop platforms in terms

of viewership and subscribers. I think, so you must be really like saying, yeah, these guys, I just passed everyone up. I mean it's a surprise. I mean I was a fan, Like I bought every Source magazine that came out. I bought every Double Xcel. I would get rap Pages if I can find it. I would, you know, I would get Murder Dog if I could find it, Like you know I was and read them from cover to cover.

You know, I just eat them up. Uh. And you were if you were to telling me that would have a platform bigger than these guys, I just like, that's ridiculous. That's never gonna happen. These guys are you know, the Sources considered the hip hop bible. But it just comes down ultimately, you know, to the leadership. You know, every company needs a leader to keep elevating and recreating that company.

You know, you look at the great companies, uh, you know in the world, and you hear names like Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates uh and Warren Buffett you know, and so forth. Uh you know in jay Z and you know Puffy. You know, these business leaders who recreated themselves and reinvented themselves and pushed the business in New you know, to New Heights. If you don't have someone at the helm doing that, it will eventually go out

of business. Like Ebony just filed for bankruptcy. And like you know, if you're old enough to remember, Ebony was a big deal, you know, to be like the Ebony Beauty of the month or whatever it was, Like you know, you would you would go and marry the president of some corporation after that, like you know, this this was a big institution and they just filed for bankruptcy and like it's gone, like run Ebony magazine that one of

the eight from the White House or something. I don't know, man, but I know that they filed for bankruptcy and and like their whole staff got let go, you know, without pay that that type of that type of thing. You see what I'm saying. Now they're trying to sell off their assets, like their photos and stuff like that. So nothing lasts forever if you don't have you know, great leadership at the helm of it. And I've tried to be as great of a leader as I can for

lad TV, but I have a great staff. What's the future for um the platform? Because like you said, nothing lasts forever into some other He's gonna do a podcast with us, he goes, he goes, he go on his own TV podcast. I'm guessing that you gotta do, you gotta evolve, not not necessarily man like people. I mean, this is a common question, and people think that you have to do something different as opposed to just get better at what it is that you're good at doing.

You know what I'm saying, Like the keype D interview was was something that I worked on for a while to get, you know, and also had to have a platform big enough to have something like that. React. Um, you have five good interviews going on right now. Yeah, something that you did with Nipsey. It wasn't that wasn't my interview. That is gonna be that given by DJ by DJ Charisma. You got Trade D was always good

for you, James Mob, James got I just finished. I got Willie D. And you know we talked to him first right after Bush with Bill's passing. Um, you know, we we try to yeah, we try to keep yeah, and we try to elevate. We try to push and and get the you know, the bigger you know names and and and just really give give someone something that they didn't even know they wanted, you know, get him a story that they have of someone that they've maybe

heard of here there. But when you hear the story, it's like, oh wow, like this is this is an incredible story. And that's really the thing of just being a better interviewer, asking the harder questions, making a bigger impact, and focusing on what it is that we do best. And that's how we've just grown, you know, year after year where I think like three point three million subscribers and um, you know, we just had three million video views in one day a couple of days ago, which

which is a big milestone for UCE. So and that's just doing what it is that we've been doing the whole time. It's not we're doing movies now, or we're gonna do script this stuff now. Now, We're doing what it is that we've always done. Yeah when I mean really, we're doing the same thing I did that I started eleven years ago. Are you frustrated with YouTube and their

new policies just coming on? No, No, man, it's just like, you know, we just put out more content, and uh, we make sure that the content is impactful content, you know, We're not just we turned down a lot of interviews. We we we turned down. You know, we don't just take everything that comes our way. I mean we get literally every day we probably turned don't don't YouTube get your plant when you get a million? Yeah, you do it. All that's in my office somewhere in the closet, you know.

So what advice do you give to a young guy trying to start his own platform, trying to create a brand from scratch from zero. There's been there. There are successful platforms that the owners based that platform on lad TV that I've interviewed them about and that they've told me, like No Jumper as an example. You know, Adam twenty two was was watching glad TV interviews and now he has a dope platform right now. Yeah, trade's are they?

He interviewed some of the same guests that that I interview and I do the same thing with, you know, people that I look and see it on his platform. Um Sean Cotton from Stay Chess TV, same type of thing, you know. In our interview, he said how he used to work. He was working at best Buy, watching glad TV interviews on his break and decided one day to pick up a camera and just try it. What I

do could be achieved by anybody. Tell people copy me? Yeah, yeah, man, I mean because I you know, I mean, I didn't have anyone to copy because there you know, I started kind at the beginning of YouTube. But um, you know what, what I what I do now could be recreated by anyone with an iPhone and a passion to actually do it. And uh, I think there's plenty. There's enough viewers to

go around, there's enough money to go around. You could absolutely do it if you want to do it, absolutely, And um, you're a big stock guy, so before you leave here, give us a stock tip, man, because I've seen you debate stock versus property. I'm a property guy, but I'm I'm a I'm property and stock guy. But my property performance far better than than stocks my stocks have. But I'm always looking for a stock tip, and you're supposed to be the guru here with you're always debating

everyone about stock and property. Well I'm not. Uh you know, I can't give stock advice because I'm not a financial manager. I get sued for that. Ship is actually illegal to just say this is a good stock. Yeah yeah, yeah, because if it does bad you know, they could, they could sue you for the money they lost. Well, let me ask this, but but I will say I will say this because I do want to answer your question.

I've based a lot of my methodology uh after Warren Buffett, who is considered the greatest stock investor of all time, and he said that when he dies, he has very specific instructions to the person that takes over his portfolio to put of all his money into the SMP five and keep the rest in cash. Uh. So you know, you could have some some buying opportunities, and you know, for most people, that's what he thinks is the best investment.

You know, you throw you have a little piece of the top five companies in America and you could reinvest the dividends and over time, historically that's that's been shown to be a great investment. You get a big coin before I don't. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not big. No, I'm not not that I missed it. I was just never interested. Uh. You know, because the way the way I cat it is that I look at bitcoin the

same way I look at gold. For example. You know that you can invest in some gold and it's just gonna sit there, and you have to count on someone wanting to pay you more for it in the future than what you paid for it today. But when you invest in a company, that company is actually making money

every day and so always there. But when you compare you know, gold or diamonds or silver or whatever other thing that just sits there versus a company that's making money and growing, like an Amazon or a Google or a Facebook you know, or a who you know, Yeah, you know, but they're actually making money quarter after quarter or year after year and getting bigger and reinvesting that

money and making themselves bigger from all the money they're reinvesting. Consistently, those have outperformed anything like a gold or silver or anything of that story. That's kind of how I look at bitcoin. I'm it's cool, but it's just gonna sit there. Yeah, gold is what twelve ounce used to be three hundred dollars an ounced, not that long ago, like then, maybe ten twelve years ago gold was three hundred dollars and ounce. So if you would have bought gold back then you

would have called dupled your money. Yeah, but if you bought Amazon back then you would have liked fifty times your money even um, Google. I remember Google with two hundred dollars stock own I owned, you know, and I don't I don't talk about my portfolio, but I owned Google, I own Amazon. I also own SNP five, you know. So, uh, I was gonna buy some Google. But when when I saw two hundred dollars a share, I was like, damn, that's a little bit too that's a little too pricey

for at the beginning, And that was the beginning. I think I think it started around two hundred. Remember, Yeah, I don't really care about where it's at right now. I just think, is this a company that's going to grow? It will just grow over time. I don't care if it said it's all time high or whatever. Do I think this company is gonna grow over time? You know?

And you know, I'm reading this this book right now called A hundred of one in the Stock Market, where it shows the type of companies that have a hundred times their money, meaning that if you put in ten thousand, you end up with a million. Uh. And there's been like a number of companies over the years that have done that. But you you had to wait like ten, fifteen years, twenty years. No, No, you don't know, you know, it's not it's not pulling out, it's just keeping it there.

It's just keeping it there year after year after year, not touching it. Just like property, you know what I mean? Are you gonna do look at the your property prices every single day? Do you look to see what the house next door so sold to you every single day? No? You've probably you know, as a as a property investor, I can almost guarantee that you've made your money by holding that property over a long period of time. And I've regretted selling some properties when I should have never

sold something exactly. Some of my biggest financial mistakes was selling a property because I was gonna make this amount of money, but holding it I would have made this amount of money times ten. So same thing with stocks. Right down the street. The building that death Row was in I used to own. I owned the ability marted from ship because he had to pay off some debts three million dollars finance three million dollars. He stopped making the payments, of course, so I lost it. I had

to get rid of it. I just read somewhere about it six months ago. The building so for nineteen million, I believe it. Yeah, nineteen. Well, the mortgage on three million was probably like a month we have bad loan had it was fort five six thousand a month for a million dollars loan, so times after three But um, glad, I want to thank you for coming down. I hope we weren't too hard on you. I know you used to this already. But you don't really do a lot

of interviews, not a lot, not a lot. Why is that? What if I promote the platform or you don't really need that, Like like my my policy over the past year or so, was that only going to do interviews with people that have been on my platform, like China Mac. Yeah, exactly, like people that have come to me and then interviews with me when they want an interview, you know, with them, I'll say yes. So I did No Jumper recently, I

did China Mac. Aaron Foster has a podcast. I did something. Yeah, I mean you know this one here, Lord Jamaar did something with him. Yeah, you know what I mean, podcasts, you know, Because honestly, I mean, I could do whatever platform I wanted to do if I wanted to, but I'm not really tripping off. I'd rather support the people that have supported me. I saw you on the Breakfast Club, and I don't think, oh yeah, he can't he comes

on your show. Not anymore, Charlemagne, not anymore? All right, real quick, tell us why before we wrap this up? Is what it is? That was one of your regulars too. It was, it was and a lot of those interviews did quite well. So you guys had a fallen out or something something like that. Can't get into it. It is what it is. It's been like three years. I think since he's been on the platform. We've more than doubled our traffic since then. So have you tried to

make amends with him? Arrogant? You can't make meends with an arrogant person. He is very arrogant. All right, Glad, I appreciate you coming down. I'm sure Red and James thanks you as well. Thanks for coming in and being on another episode of the Gangster Chronicles and we're out. Thank you for having me Y. Just appreciate you, Glad. This has been a digital Sobutch network production.