The Return Of Big James and Simon Says

and other influencers. And I'm here today with Reggie right, Julia and James. And James is back. He is back from Australia and we're gonna talk a little bit about that. But I just want everyone to know that this is episode number twenty, and if you're new to the podcast, please go back and listen to some previous episodes. Most of our episodes are inter related, so you can start an episode one and get caught up to today's episode twenty and you won't hear me until episode three, so

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Gangster Chronicles podcast dot com. And I'm almost certain that tickets to our live show will be available through that website. And Reggie still interrupted me, but also want um to give our social media contexts. James McDonald could be found on Facebook under James McDonald. You have two Facebook pages, so it could be a little confusing. Well big j uh thirty six thirty six okay. And your Instagram is also the same, the same thing. You could also find

leave Me Alone. You can find Reggie Right Junr. And sometimes they'll give us questions. You can find Reggie Right Jr. On his face Facebook page Reggie Right Jr. And he's also on Instagram under Reggie dot Right dot Jr. And you can feed us some questions there. And I'm on on Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook all under Alex Alonso. One oh one. Al right, So before we get into our episode, I just want to do a couple of quick fact

checks from a couple of previous episodes. Actually episode number seventeen, which was called Rumors. Russell Pool died August nineteen, two fifteen, at the age of fifty eight. He died of an aneurysm Oh, my goodness, this guy is clapping the death of a person. I think we might have said he died of a heart attack some but he died of aneurism at the age of fifty eight, so he's relatively young. And it was just and it was just a few years ago on August nineteen. That was Reggie Wright clapping,

y'all that was wondering who that was. He's clapping the death of murder, murder, trying to get my lively the police do you should know as a former police officer, you investigate DVDs and books. Okay, let me say this. Here it is and I trying to keep you one hunting on this. Yeah, this is why we are the way we are today because we applauded it like this and and we just don't give a funk about life. I have a whole different understanding of life. As they're

coming from Australia. Those people do not live the way we live. They do not think the way we think. They're not accused people of false well I mean not even that either. But it's every individual itself have to learn and and just really understand theirselfs before they get the applaud and death. What happens when when you die and somebody applaud your death part You know what I'm saying, My life insurance policy paid up, but your wife ain't gonna like it, your kids ain't gonna like it. You

know what I'm saying. You never want to wish death upon your worst enemy. You don't. You don't. And and as a cop, I understand Russell Pool. Even before he retired from the l ap D. He was going down all these weird theories that had nothing to do with bro It got personal. You don't even more. But how many of his theories were wrong, Not just the Reggie

Wright theory, but all of it. I thought he had a couple of other theories of got killed cooking ramparts that I've been telling me, and that he's done showed that never I've never known, I didn't have no connections with all right, and that he could never prove so he should have left it there. Well, we're gonna hear more about your trip to Australia. James um more more

fact check Kevin gaines Um. He was actually shot and killed at the intersection of Lancashim Inventura in Studio City, which is the city of l a um Mark j T s at the young age of thirty one. Damn. He was born in sixty six, got killed in ninety seven. He was also mentioned in the episode Rumors episode number seventeen. So that's all I have for fact checking. And I don't know if we're gonna go into the this audio

clip first. Let's get the audio clip first, and then we're going to James is a trip to Australia because it's the first time we've been together, um since James got back three weeks. In three weeks, we did that show two weeks ago with you on the phone. So yeah, this is the first time all three have been together. So let's get into this this phone call and Reggie, let's set it up first before we run this clip. All right, So you know Snoop Dogg being um lately

on this campaign. We're in the death row chains and and because the no Limit stuff didn't work out for him, because he was wearing the no Limit chain but that didn't work out and people didn't react to it, and so now he's trying to get the music licensed and all of that. So he's trying to do a kiss Snoop chilks asked from jail and doing songs and all of that. Uh, but you know, Snoop, you remember when you're supposed to shot three thousand dollars through the cash app.

You never did that, homie. But anyway, um so anyway, he uh, he's been on this big campaign and then he also in this campaign and said he is the reason that U Suge Knight went to the Prison of Good Tupac a prison. It was his idea for that. He's trying to take credit for it. So well, y'all

does he deserve partial credit? Speak So y'all don't never want to listen to Reggie right because I've been telling you how they went how they went down, and so here's something that shigs on words that y'all can listen to, and then we'll talk about it after that. The prison, all the people he helped in helogy talk with from business and parts and make him down like uh like uh, interschool people. He was over the state a certain artist.

He didn't you want to talk about the letter with that Madonna was sold piss because he was joking when Donna never came to see and she never putting that one dollar on his books when he when he reached out for me to come to see him. He didn't have money for not doing that alone, Commissary, he's not hidings,

you know what I mean. He didn't have ship and all recorded my loving Madonna no thing getting put on the jaff and guide and putting note on the brook And so he was saying, man, I'm not gonna wrap no woman of about the did I said, wouldn't give me? Wanted to? Did this made sure you eat? He said, you're right now. The only person which I think we really should interview her and put on it because most people don't know him is a woman named Pisa. She

was prosy wife. She married Park when he was in prison. She sa, Morny called my office. They'll give his wife right from New York. Yeah, she called office and she come off and everybody can laughing and then take the message. And when you give it to me, so possible you're laughing about let said, is a program keep saying you toobox life. And you know they got married and he would need to help, and they said, you know, I'm crazy.

And I said, we'll look. Let me talk to him because it might be a chance you tause and it's truth, right. So I get on the phone with and she said said, I'm so glad you took my call to everybody become crazy. I said, I know there was Tony, don't talk to you, he said, but we're really mad, or I show you. Then Now to the Kate, I can said, he is, I can, said you, Dad, I said, don't want to do all that. Tell me what you need? I thought to my need is some bread, or I'm not gonna

give it to it. She said, look two o'clock and the only person can you help him, it's you. Please come seeing for you can get him out of prison. So I said, look, I ain't a person alone as we speak, I'll call my lawyer and keep permission for us to go out to New York. And then those things I want to see park I was. I wasn't throw it up and I was illegal, you know what I mean. That's how I got in with the lorder,

you know what I mean. The first time we went there, we had to we flew the private plans from l A to New York, and we had to supply a smaller plane from New York to the are you had to go to the busy by a prison. So we had to take a jet because the big plane can you know, wouldn't be too big. Then we had to take a hour and something lim a V from the from the jet, I remember the first time I got there. They go seeing how I came out, passes in the head. You know you can tell you in stressing. So he

sat down and talking to these people halfies. I look, I feel like the dead. I'm not gonna wrap no more while people looking so like slumming my hands on the things for hey, look that's how we came up with. Then our lives on me, I said, all lives on you, and then hope is in you and you's random box. You're not gonna wrap no more. Not to get that boys your head, I said, don't don't do no one to do with the vibe fan This person be dispers said that for all that bullshit. He said, well, just

I'll see you all my post. I said, I want the post. He said, my mother's you know she don't have a place to say. I said the person I'm gonna do. Let's work hard on getting you out, secting them to do well, I leave your out of here. I'm gonna call can count up with your mother, and I'm gonna buy a house so you don't get a part. I'm gonna buy your house, like buyre ocast or ship. I said. Then we're gonna work, don't getting you out. I looked at the lawyer. I said, hey, I'm gonna

do everything I can. I hope everything I can act. The lawyer couldn't get him out. He said, yeah, he said anything. You know, he said anything to you. I said, well, there's a slam dunk or because every time we talk about cases, I talked about the basketball times. I said the slam luck it's no, I said, the lad you know he says the self shot. I said, we'll check this up. When you shoot that tumb side from that range, how many times you make him? He saidn't usually I've

never missed that name. So most of the time over here. I looked the podcast, said, well, they mean I'm gonna get yourn. We went back to work, and all that ship done. Time I got out, I meantime I left there, flew back to l A. I boughttom mother bought his mother house and huh last pay cash forard, got ship off and from his books, gotting straight, kept talking the keyshas she was going to visiting, went back out there,

and David back out there. All his people with mothers tunnels come to the visitings of my friends and you know they comes to being recorded. You gotta be subing. It's the time because they don't win one game out And he came back out. He was smiling, you know, he walke my George Jefferson. I was trying me like he went where to do that? That of walk? He was just you know, swinging the shoulders and ship. So we'd asked, does that we said, I said, hey, I

know you had choosing the West coast. I ain't know you had to choosing the East coast if I told me, And you're talking to big shots. Man, we know me for my old boys. He said, Man, they gave you weed. They gave me foo, they gave me cosmetics, and he gave me the place. Said I got so much weed, I'm fired right now. We just thought, right, I said, all right, well, Ship, I'm from the team. Now I can't I'll be setting you in the free world. I'll stopped to get you working on tracks right now. And

then we started talking. I said, what kind of cards you like? He's like this, like this Eddie card. He said, like I already had bought for it. And then when you know, when I set the product, fans pick him up. I sent in my brief base to pull the mother for the money. And so when you let me running committed this three year. The first one did was my business of writer. The hooks are are he on it? So you know he's smoking, drinking for bab hen until

he's doing the booth. And he started rapping, and there was an incredible ship to When he was wrapping, he said, you know, what's your pay? I was like, ships, all right, but that ship was bombed and I said it's all right because my possitive tell me that football made me work hard. I need to start rapping again. I tell the engineer, whatever you do, don't race the saving and go to another verse, you know, another tape. Don't raise Anne of the verses and said, yeah, what's you think?

I said, a little bets all right, but you know that you were losing my mind how he was extrapping and flowing. This is gonna take your shirt off. You're drinking, he said, her headphones in his Then go hey, fucus plunt, somebody bring me a newport. They're bringing a newport. He's all right, he told me he's called the reporting and he at the new port, took two long drags and that motherfucker started doing. He was better than the first

three bot tasts he did. I said, this, monther Pup's incredible. So we finished that song and a whole bunch of more ships. So as we at this time to leave, you don't smoke, and he drinking the systems. He being jails in prison, so you know, and you saw that he was talking to me how much funny I had, how much he appreciated, and he just passed out in my car him for his failed and I started laughing. And then you came and heard the spot and put

you down something. He woke up to their I ain't got too high, talk too much, so I put him in them on. I got him biggest sweet fun and I had seven does the dads pitches in California. I tell him that don't try selling his money, don't targe stilling the jury, getting baths and shiz and ever he want. You gotta do everything for him. All yea up and get when you get there, we'll take care of them all night. In the morning, im up and called me

the morning, said he will. He said, they already got me a rolled up, that's already got me a checked me. He said me. He gave me the most beautiful nick bitches of being a bill with me, and I never felt so good in my life. When we started laughing, I said, we're sick. Don't don't don't try, don't bring yourself about too much. You know, we're back in the studio. He's I can't wait. And that's how we started. You know. But Keitha, if they want for her, it never would happen,

and nobody never gave her a dude, you know. So that was an eight minute clip of Sugar Night talking to him. Well, guess we're gonna keep that person's identity on the on the phone talking from the California Department of Corrections to a person whose identity we're not revealing. And Reggie brought this clip and it's the first time I'm hearing it. James, I'm assuming it's the first time you're hearing it too, and read, um, what's so significant

about this conversa? Was just trying to show how the story has always been out there and anybody that follows me on Bomb First or any interviews that I've done on Black how I always said it wasn't Snoop, it wasn't anyone it was Park's wife at the time, Keisha, who eventually got on no man from who was the one that reached out the show and to have ship to go up there. And his intentions originally wasn't to go up there to to try to get him out

of prison. He was just going out to look out as a friend and talk to the man who needed some money because his record company, Interscope at the time, was cut it cut it off, cut right in the checks for him, even though he had the number one album to come in the country out at the time. They was like, hey, your legal bills and all the fees and lawsuits and stuff, we can't cut you no more money. Shouldn't I stepped up to the plate. Why that's Snow trying to say that it was it was him,

That's my point. That's my point. Niggas can say stuff like that because they think she has gone now and he can't reach out and he don't have spokespersons out here to tell it, and people cloud chasing off a Park's name to try to make themselves look cook good. Some motherfucking liar. The only thing that I may give Snow credit for possibility is Shi might have went to him because she'll do does talk like this, and said, Hey, I'm about to go see about Pop getting out or

trying to go visit Pop. What you think about me maybe trying to get him other jail? And I can see Snoop thing. Yeah, yeah, make it happened off. You know, if you can make it happen, make it happen. That's the only possibility I'll give it. Well, I know it was a lot of jealousy when Tupac came home. I mean it came to death Row. And I know a lot of those guys man, because if you was number one, you number two or number three now because Tupac was

the ship. You know what I'm saying, Just like Shoot said that dude go in the studio and was doing it off his head, and and and they and they and they tell him and in all the interviews that I ever hear them saying, they always said they love his work, that th that they learned his worth that good from him. Now Snoop saying this recently that he has something to do with it or is this a story that he's been saying for years. He's been well, you haven't heard it before, but lately, he's been on

the gas. He's been doing songs called and this the new song he just wrapped about that that he just released in the last week, let Bygones Be Bygones. He talks about it in that song. So he's on the gas. Snoop Dogg is trying to be cool with you now. But what it's a reason? All right, I'm gonna tell him now, they got a movie that they don't shot already.

Who's that Snoop and people affiliated with him. It's been a lot of money, a lot of money on this movie already, but he and it's not a licensing the music to him, and they're not going to license the music until they get blessed in from shut And so I think that's what his get down there is. And I don't they just go to shoog and here he goes five million dollars dollars that much. You gotta you gotta warm me up, you gotta you gotta grease me up before you come to me and talk to me

like that. I'm not saying that's not gonna eventually happen, but you come to me right now and say that after you've been dissing me and not fucking I'm working on my own ship right now. I'm doing my own movie. I got my own people. But the Snoop is is taking credit for bringing pop to death row, isn't that gonna piss Sugar off and not want to help him with the music that he needs for his movie. He

just did this in the last week. He just probably ain't heard about it yet and so he probably haven't been able to reach out and talk about it. And he don't want to piss Snoop off either, because they got some things working, they got some things working. They're cool right now. They got some things work, because it does matter. So your point is to say, Okay, snoopbody here Ryan on shugk Dick now didn't want to be

cool and saying he did this and did that. Let me show y'all that Snoop ain't got a mother fucking thing to do with want, so stop it. So that's your point Planet, Okay, But just because Snoop is not mentioned by Sugar the conversation does not mean Snoop didn't have a role in it. I'm not disagreeing with you reg what I'm just saying. The phone call don't prove nothing, go ahead any credit. The only thing improves is that Snoops, I mean Tupac's wife is the one that should have

got credit for hooking him up. Because if it like he should have said it, then if it wasn't for his wife, this would have never happened. So that's the one who get credit. There's no Snoop, There's no no Nate Dog, no Reggie Rights. Nobody can take credit for

that because his wife hooked it up. According to Sugar, Well, Sugar is the main one that that that don't even know if if Tupac I mean Snoop would have saying you need to go get him out of jail, sure would have said that we need to get Tupac on line, we need to get him out of jail, we need to get him down here. Death Bro never had a conversation like that. Show. Tupac has nothing, I mean, Snoop has nothing like that. You know, I'm just saying sound.

All I'm saying is you're you're assuming that maybe this is just over your head. I got over my head. All are assuming everything that was just said in that conversation is the truth. But why you have to lie about that? I don't know why should lie about anything he liked about, you know, I don't know. I'm just saying that you're assuming it as a truth. I was there and so I know most of the stuff I would don't like Snoop. So anything against Snoopop, I just

like the truth. I just know the real I just don't bullshit many of the episodes another one. So if Sugar, wait a minute, this this clears everything. So if Sugar and Snoop Dogg is doing ship right now, what difference does this make? Who run two? Got you? If I gotta jail? They passed that they're working together, and now Snoop is trying to butter his way in to get Ship to say, okay, I need your help on this music, to you to release this so we can go on

and put this movie out. So if they're doing this, then I mean that's had. It has no relevance to what the Cats is doing. Now. They're working with each other, with Reggie is saying Snoop need to stop saying some false bullshit out there. That's the bottom line. You're already sucking with Sugar, y'all doing y'all things, and there's no need for you to try to take credit for something that you haven't done. But today this recording is he relevant because who gives a fuck Tupac is gone, so

it don't matter who got him by to jail. Whoever got him by the jail and want to take credit for it, and they can take credit for his death. You didn't say the man like when he was out here, you know what I'm saying on and motherfucker's out of here on some bullshit. So man, I wouldn't take credit for getting him out. I wouldn't want that. All I'm saying is I agree what you read. But what I'm saying is this phone call doesn't prove that it's just

one man telling his version of what happened. That the nf CEO telling what's happening. The man that went and got him, the one to put the million point five

up for him to get out. But Snoop don't have a track record of being a liar, Like how many that's not get down of doing interviews and just blatantly sit where you saying nas and then was about the whoop on us and and he was snapped just like Snoop speaks to whoever the motherfucking audience is and whoever he's trying to impres said that time is what he says. I can tell you about five different lines that snooped and told all right, I want to talk a little

bit about this call outside of the Snoop issue. I found it interesting that that Sugar actually said Poc didn't have nothing, and he was already a superstar at this time. Why was it that Park had no support? His mama was homeless doll ninety nine. PC already had a movie career, He already had like two or three albums out. How come he had nothing? How much money was getting he always said, because of the legal bills and all of that. I'll say that, and people that was working for him,

So from me, I'll say it again. His mama was homeless. That's all I want to say. What's the guy what's the guy name that played in UH and IQ movie Friday? The pops Um I know you're talking about. He said, the first, the first uh, the first Friday. He got paid first five thousand dollars, five thousand dollars. You would think he was rich after that. But but this is all something because we were on the outside looking in we don't know how much this guy was getting paid.

When two when snooping him was when they first came and dropped they they they their music. Snoop wouldn't getting paid, Snoop. Shoot bought the car for his birthday. He gave it to his mama. He didn't have money like that. Those guys didn't have no money until what after? What? What? What's he needs? Well? Snoop? When then when had his own money? Snoop part of um he had already ran up a bill of four and a half to five million dollars before dropping one album for his legal defense. Okay,

I was just wondering what was poks financial status. He had a lot of legal fees. Um, he had a lot on legal situations. And I hate speaking negatively on Park because he has a lot of fans and they get mad when you talk negative. I think broke it did show you if you can't bail out of jail, if you can't bail out of jail, you just high figure like show great point million a half dollar and you think you you think this is a millionaire, and then you can't bail out of jail on a ten

million dollar. Now the shows your your your true stats. You could argue that Park even at that time, was the number one rapper on the plane. Was it just he had a number one album out in the country. Couldn't be Bruce breen Stree greatest straightest out, greatest Hits album. He was number one on the chart timing and then they broke. At what point did they start making really really start making money? You know what I'm saying, got bad.

Charlie Wilson, You tell you those stories. Why why did you say that Jasmine guy didn't put anything on pox books? Because people always saying how you had all the high profile friends that were doing that was successful. And Pap was saying, how he's gonna live off females and he's going to delive up and ship pointed to him was what females came through for you? Who came through who helped out? No Madonna, he was part of going to jail. You were saying that, uh a warshow or somewhere with them.

We got pictures out there where they were writing each other love letters in prison. I think that love letter just wrote so for thirty or forty dollars recently online that you know that that they wrote back and forth to each other. But did she step up to the plate, did she come and pay for it? Did she put

the me happen just part of the game. Well, at that time, Jasmine guy was pretty close to Park Jasmine Jada Um, Sally Richards, Janet, Janet, Well Janet and Janet After fully Justice, I got to hear the story from where he was. They're gonna hook up and they're gonna kick it, she said the day. Then the next day he tried to call that phone number number was changed, that Janet Jackson. But you know he he always said, Michael didn't want it. All right, where's Keysha that today?

The wife that got Noman? That's what chill point was in talking about. They said that these are the type of person we need to be talking to an interview on because this is you're out there listening. You know, here's just a successful attorney somewhere now. But yeah, they got a Yeah. They said she was a smart young lady and so she must have been from the New York area because at that time that's what talk was

based at. I know nothing about it, Like I said, I was around it for eleven months and she never came around. Um, all right, keeps we gotta we gotta find you, We gotta track you down because you're a big part of this history. Um. If if what she said in this phone call that we just played at the beginning of the episode is true, you are the reason the call. You are the reason part coming to death Row records then and you get say, we're getting

built out. They thought it was funny when she was calling. Well, I don't think they thought it was funny. I think they didn't think it was her. You get a lot of treats that part, that's the that's the part are that you know somebody's calling that Park's trying to reach out because she had been trying to get there Frow before in ninete and and and Park was like, now now I'm cool where I'm at? How cool over there in the scope and so all of that probably played

a part. So what happened to uh Ifannyshakor's house in Atlanta that should bought for for her? I think they still living, They still have it. They still have that house. Yeah, and that's the house. It's not Atlanta, it's the city right outside of Atlanta. Yeah, we'll figure look up the city next to Atlanta. The letter D the cat I don't want to mess with Atlanta in the house and Decatur back and the nineties was probably like less than like a four bedroom, five bedroom house, a little bit

of nothing for a death row at the time. That was the flight that we cost. The fly from New York out there on the private plane traveling to go see Park probably cost more than buying that house. He was standing in the Peninsula. He had one of my security guards, big psych and Park was in the US in the suite. You know, they have bungalows over there. I think the hotel bill a day then was three to five thousand dollars a day. He stayed in there

for three months. Now. I had a legal question because when Park was incarcerated, he obviously didn't know he can get out, and I'm I'm thinking that Sugar's attorney figured out a loophole to bail him out on appeal that most people can't bail loud on appeal. Yeah, that's um. Well, if you have the money, you can. Um you have to be willing to put up whatever the amount. Ye, it's pretty sometimes automatic, especially on civil and I know

that about the self civil judgments. But he, like you said, he had to have a reason to be appealing the case to get out. So this is Kenner made the deal happen, but they needed a New York attorney to you hear some people that want to shoot down death Row and said she never did it, Jimmy, I been said on the fighting ones that they don't want to put up the money they did. They cut the check, but they builded the death row. So ship, I don't care. I got a credit card in my pocket right now.

I just want to buy some gas credit credit. Capital one is going to pay for it. They paid it up front to these people, but I gotta pay that ship back. If not, you know, they're gonna come after whatever I want to have or or suit me. So you know that's the argument that some people have. I hear, I don't know this for a fact that uh Madonna attorneys had started some paperwork um to get it the process going. Um. But I was always told it was

David Kenner that made it happen. Well, I guess that was some real clever legal work to bail Pock out on appeal after he was convicted of with like a second re rapera and I feel like I don't know how active some of these other documentaries were about his case, but it looked like he should have never even been in prison. In the first PARSI that the chick gave him a blow job on the dance floor in a nightclub. He came back home, but what he did had messed up.

He kind of did what Kobe Bryant did. He kind of did with uh well, Mike Tyson. Did he treat him like ship after big mistake. You don't treat a woman like that after you know you're honestly believe that's why the woman did that. For sure. They didn't have no man send them to get them. Because she felt she was in love with Park or not in love. She wanted to be with Pop Pop. There was corrupting them. Said in the song with the dog Eat style on Doggi Style, they passed it to the homie. Once she

passed them to the homie. Is there a is there a chance or a likelihood that the homie raped her and that had nothing to do with Park. That's what she portrayed. That's how well, that's what she said in her interview that she gave about a year ago. I know you don't follow I didn't follow it, I know, but I don't want to watch that one. Okay, I

can't look at the bed. All right. Um, interesting phone call, and I mean I can talk about this for a whole another thirty minutes, but I want to know about james trip to Australia and uh, you went on a five city or three city tour? Well we started off at five, but we we did three. Um. It was a beautiful place, man, it was it was all the people was nice, had a good time. We have one not a bad incident, but we have one lady talking crazy in the audience. You know. He told that story

on the last show. Yeah, so it was a good thing because none of the other people, I mean everybody attacked her and I didn't have to say about that. But other than that, man, the beaches, I mean it's so clean. It's is you know, tell us about the weather here. That was like wintertime when you was it was wintertime, but the weather was so bum man, it was just you just walk out and when we were staying, you walk right out the door, make it right, and

you're right there on the beach. And man, just to see the beach and the sunrise come up in the morning out there, man was beautiful. I said I would move there. I would move. The people so nice, but those people are so strict on other people coming to their country, to coming out there, as if you're gonna change it. They like everything the way it is. You

don't see no crime. Man. It was one of the guys Melachar got a ticket for two hundred and sixties six bucks for thumping a cigarette butt on the ground. This is where they're not playing. Our city is gonna stay clean, and you're gonna pay for it if you dirty it out. I heard my son this came from Japan, and he told me they don't even have public trash cans out there. He said. People were walking around with

like little trash bags. The throw of their trash. Well they had they had this little just a little truck come dumped the trash. Thirty minutes later, here come another one, so they own it they. I mean, it's so beautiful, man, watching these women exercise early in the morning. Every guy you see out there, it got on the tight shirt. It makes you feel bad and no really, it makes you feel like you you you're just using your body in a bad way, because everybody is so fit, even

the older people. You're not a lot of obesity at all at all. And and their food is totally different from ours. And and the only thing I see them doing it, The only way I see them killing themselves is the way they drink. That's it. But other than that, I mean, but you got older women sitting there at the bars while they're eating, taking shots. But they're probably so healthy and other aspects of their life they could afford alcohol. You know. I doubt if they even uh

know what diabetes is down there. I doubt it, I really do. You didn't you never seen the police um sirens and the police that we've seen didn't have a gun. But when we went to the club, they had. They had pistols on them. All of these guys that I was hanging in and I met at the bars. We don't carry guys. We know. I never had a gun to day in my life. I never had one of my hands. It's like, what right now? Did you know what I'm saying? That's what I'm telling them, But it, man,

I learned a lot just by being there. You know. We take what we have here. I mean, we take like for granted, just saying how those people live and how those people get along with each other and they coincide with each other. Everything is so good, you know what I'm saying. Whether they go to the little casino and gamble, you lose your money and I'm gonna go in, they come out, they're fucking in. Put it in the machine.

You ain't gonna see that out here. Well, they do got a history of extreme racisms against the Aboriginal people. We don't want to give them a pass of being like some utopian society. No, I'm just saying from what from my perspective, what I've seen, they're good. Have you seen any Aboriginals when you were there those guys when we went down to where the some Morns and all of them at and they call it the Lord Bottom or whatever. Man, you should see how the people interact

with each other. And they's like stay today's self. You know what I'm saying. We had this just just one lady was walking by. I don't know this dude. He looked at purple and he was exchanging his money because he was leaving, and she, oh good, he's out of here. They're leaving. They knew they're changing their money and they must get about it here. So this is everybody stays to theirselves and do them and they know you you dirty.

You tell me when they called him the N word out there, when one lady called him the N word, but she said, everybody else said they had deal with her, they had discipline her, and they took offense to it. They took offence to it. And everybody in that audience was like, what the she just say? And then I walked out, I dropped, I set the mic down, and I'm and I'm like, oh my god, what how do I react to this? So when I turned my back, I'm really trying to like, man, dude, dude, you know

I'm supposed to be just cat coming from Constance. Do I just attacked this female? So when I turned my back and I hear all the people, I said, let me let this play out. But guess what. She laid down and had two kids with a black man. Now now she got four black kids by by African dude. She tried to stay their case, tell her whole story. I go outside and I'm smoking a cigarette because I just ran around the whole building from her. She chased me. So yeah, exactly. So the whole time I'm sitting out

here smoking a cigarette, here comes to these women. These women was like, no, I'm evenna put her ass out of here, and we don't treat our guests like that. Man, Australia is lovely. So the woman is telling me and and telling me, like where you know what? You want to go to my room? You just call me a nigger. You know what I'm saying. She said, no, it ain't. She said, told her son, my nigga, come here, Come here, my nigga, and everybody looked. Everybody looked at her. Everybody

looked at her and was like she is tripping. But she had a lot of drinks. She had a lot to drink. And they toss him. I'm sitting there with two cats and they want to take a picture and they asked me to have a drink win him. I said, okay. They started taking off their shoelesser, what's this this? Uh damn a bootlegs, a boot front or whatever whatever? It was? My bad food forgetting the name of it. They pulled

the beer in their shoe and start drinking it. So they think, I don't know, man, I've been walking too long. And need shops. I'm not being to drink shop. I ain't doing it. So but anybody lady soon wind up telling her, come on, it's time to go. You're tripping. So and it was his birthday and she brung in for for his birthday to see the show and then she got drunk in act before. But she trying to get me in my room to go to my room. I don't think she press. So, who's fault is it

for saying my nigga? Quote unquote you're just about to say who's fault that? Rappers? Ok? Yeah, I don't say no all of them know, just goes back to yeah, I call your niggas and my nigga all the time. Eminem in proof of them, the people that was hanging around him when they when when they allowed when they allowed eminem eminem however, he says name when they allowed

him to use the words. So now for people say, because I'm cool with black folks or the black guys, I'm cool, so I can say that one she called her son. She called her son on one rapper culture hip hop has used that word very loosely. They never lose it when trying to be cool. They used that word. She was saying that we're in a term of endearment because they started that allow him that, yeah, she had her hands. She's called her son that you're a cop and you she loved her son. Well it's a point

of respect. I don't care what it is because she's been doing it and don't dispect no big old black niggah up here. I can say she had babies. She ain't got not prejudiced. You don't do that. Didn't know what she was doing. All right. So while he was on this tour in Australia, you were, you were doing the tour with Greg Hating, former l ap D officer, big investigator. How was that? How did that go? It

went real good, man, It went real good. You know, he did his show, He did his thing, and then I came in on people asking the questions and it was basically part of my life. A lot of things they've seen him blad. They asked questions about that, um and you know, I tell everybody, it ain't too much of Tupac that I dealt with. You know what I'm saying. I wasn't part of they clicked. I wouldn't. My brother

did his name with with with Tupac. Now that that wasn't my whole get down, And and all of the questions that people asked was basically, you know me and shug Uh, why didn't I like Tupac? Now, I never had a problem with Tupac, but I just didn't believe Tupac come in and just saying he from my hood, he from the mob. No, it don't work like that. Tupac just came jump. I don't care how much money

you got. I lived and banging for this ship. I just heard tray von On on first Saide Park was a damn mob part rule didn He said something along those lines. And to james point is number one, you don't think trade is in the position to put him on. But number two he said in Jameson said Bunchy and and and and neck Ball did so he had to respect that. But he said because they were o gs and people that that uh paved that way. But he just said as his opinion and and with his status,

he would not allow with it. And I understand what you a'm saying on that part. I understand both sides. I understand. And that's what Jay said. He never got in the car and did bust a great for them him showed, you know, but the other four would be I didn't find that a lot of ships going on over here, you know, Like you said with that you would from Okay, how people have done things other than jumped in the car. I agree that you don't have to bust. You don't have to shoot people up to

earn your reputation in the hood. But grow up there and be there when you were thirteen, fourteen, fifteen Park neighborhood, living in the neighborhood, and that game banging, it's called guilty by association. That's all that because well, you know from the neighborhood, so everybody's gonna assume you from there anyway. That's totally different from coming. And then this guy passed and you see these cats with Tupac tattoos. No, y'all

got like funked up. That's wrong. Okay, what about all of the all of your homies that you've been knowing for thirty years that's passed and you ain't put a mark on your body for now one, So you're telling me a different story. You can get to know Tupac for ten months and and and say this is the O G. No, you're not know O G from I think money could buy you into almost any Hood's changed a lot of the homies. You've got a lot of

talent in every hood. In every hood, somebody come out of there and make it that person start looking out for the homies. Once you start looking out for the homies, it's hard. It's just stop looking out for the homies. And every story ends up the same way because we've got people like that. Little Wayne claims the mob. What's your opinion about Little Wayne? And when when she started that act ship without said we at never seen this little nigga. Good credit to ship for a little Wayne. Uh,

we have to get out the term. Okay, I understanding when he came to the wolf is in that bush him and and and all them cats from from down when it was at in that big bush smoking them hug But you ain't from the mob. Okay, Well, po do you you know Pooch? We can say, I can say I could throw a whole bunch of names the people that that didn't grow up with. This is what these guys just doing that that don't have to you see Nick Cannon. Nick Cannon ain't no blood not that

I know. Why do you have to live like that? You don't even want that title? This is my thing to them guys. The same thing with with Chris Brown. You don't even want that title. Why would you want to fit in and be a part of that. That's

not how you living. But on the other hand, employing about five dudes that wouldn't normally have jobs that that that that's eaten good off of them, Big Dave and Duck and all of that were even good because of their relationship in their association with and that's cool, and that's cool, and there's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with that. I just say I would are different, it would be done, and I wouldn't look out for

those guys. I would employ those guys with something that they're good at and give them a business and be a third owner, be a part owner to it. You know what I'm saying, Ip post to being subject to all of this, or you ain't from the hood. Now you got to prove that you're from the hood with a cat that's mad and everybody give me you more cloud than than you're getting. But you the killer. But that's usually the ones that's on the outside that that

got a problem. But that's if you're supposed to have a problem. That that's where the problem comes from. You are my hood repping, and and just because you're taking care of homies, you ain't putting it down like we do. We let this every day. Man, five dudes from from from their it could be thirty. Yeah you can be put on, Yeah you can be put on. You could

be put on anyway. So I came by my way in. However, get you basically that's what you're doing, buying your way in pretty much because you ain't started from scratch, you know what I'm saying. So if if, if, if it's gainst by nature not by choice, whether you fit in at you don't fit in because this is two thousand and nineteen. Don't come in here and and at two thousand and seventeen to say you're a game banger. You're not. You feel me, you're not. You got these women coming

up here talking about their game bankers. You know what I did to game banging broads. I treated them just like niggas, just like niggas. But if you want to sit here and wear raging flagging in my face, you got me fucked up. I kill you like I do one of them dudes. I treat you like I treat the nigger and that, and that's that's her fault, because you're putting yourself in a situation that you don't belong in.

You don't belong in this world. Find them line. And those guys just making money, man, never make your money to do something right with it. Chris Brown, you're listening. I'm talking about all of them. All those guys just want to be thug niggas and ain't thug niggas, and and and and ain't ready to to stand up to that goddamned first chest when the big homie come at you and say I won't woot the woof when you ain't ready to give it, they're gonna bust your ass. Now.

They didn't put you out. I should have the right niggas around me taking care of me to say, hey, I got a calm James down, dog you need to deal with Somebody got to talk to him. Somebody got to talk to him. You got one of them in every hood, every hood, if if, if, if you stop what you're doing for me. You shouldn't have put me out there like that you shouldn't made me feel like, Okay, I'm ship, I'm good. Now you're gonna tell me you're done, you ain't. I can't look out for you no more.

Get your bit ass out of here. And that's how it goes. And that's what they do because they're not getting it and they're not shining like that no more. So I tell all of these cats, if you ain't trying to trying to put yourself in a A, I ain't gonna even use Nipsey in a tuparc and a and a bunch ofy and hand run and all of these other cats situations. Man, you don't have to be from a gang. You don't have to be from a

game to be a man. Year old James Versus year old years old learned from history, pay attention to what happens with other cats, such as yourself in the same position you in that's making money. You don't got out the hood, but then you come back with everything that you would you made, and then now you gotta splurt it Like mc hammer, he's taking care of all of these people. And at the end of the day when he was broke, how many of them are still there?

Ain't that many there, Ain't that many left. Ain't that many there successes of motherfucker, you gotta get you're gonna keep it. You gotta stay away, you gotta stay away. Ain't nothing wrong with getting out the neighborhood man, and nothing wrong with it. This is why I'm where I'm at right now today, because I understand that now I

don't have to be violent to be somebody. But I think I think it's also a business move for guys, artists, rappers, singers to take on a gang identity because they're trying to get street cred. They're trying to get They understand that fans buy records from people like fifty who get shot nine times, you can come back. And I think it's a protection move all day. It's hard going into you going to an other clubs, other towns with other I mean, because there's gangsters, and every town in New

Orleans got their niggas. You don't want to Detroit everywhere. But if I'm bringing Ale Reptable like James with me and and and the Neckbone and Bunty and all of them, and I'm coming walking in there, don't niggas fot real recognized real, and they spot each other and they know how to talk to each other. You look at it, it stays that I say that, it's kind of weird. What what James or Bunty will say. They'd be like, oh okay, those are real niggas, and I think they

get accepted a little more. And I think that's why do it? Well, when you see real, recognized real, you ain't so quick to approach that. You gotta. You gotta come with a different way on getting this cat and not just walking up to him and slapping it. Now we got altercation because this nig are gonna pipe back. We know that, so now we're gonna have to catch him outside when he opened his mouth, just pill his cat and do what you do. It's totally different. You gotta.

It is a certain way to deal with every cat out here. Ain't no one hell of a nigga and he running the whole planet. It just don't work like that. You ain't the badest cat. You're gonna run into a cat that got hands and and gonna get you. So just amount of time. But those dudes don't have to do that. Those dudes are making money. If you want to put money, who said you can't put money back in the neighborhood. Who said you gotta be a part of the hood to clean up the hood. You don't

have to do that. So those excuses and then us as black man, when we get out, look what we're doing. We they're sucking up. We are They're going to these these pretty as places getting charged for touching fucking females. You dudes are are man. I'm keeping one hunting man. I had motherfucking sending my motherfucking left and buying me three drinks at the time. Wait a minute, hold up, I'm I'm I'm married, And it was it was, it

was damn saying. You know what I'm saying, You don't just because who you are, you don't have to touch a woman like that. You don't have to be a disrespectable ass cat. But we we we take advantage of it and we funk up. Now the money going down, everything going down. You're back in the neighborhood. But you you can't come back to the neighborhood because you ain't got no money. You can't help nobody. You're done. So these these man we gotta wake up. We we truly

gotta wake up. I seen some beautiful ship out there. Man, the most peaceful is people I've ever seen in my life. And it just said, man, I gotta step my game up. Australia is beautiful. Well, I think you were getting the celebrity treatment because your history. So I don't want everyone who's listening to the average brother think, Hey, I'm gonna go to Australia and get treated the way. Guarantee you if you just go out there, you ain't gotta be

uh doing those shows and nothing. Go sit at the bar and see how do people come at you, come and talk to you and sit there. Where are you from? Matekay? Let's you start messing around with their women and you just some regular dude visiting from the United States of America. You know, You've got a lot of people that come from America and still down there, especially the military guys come down there. They stay down there and they hook up and and they meet a woman and they live

in their life out there. I'm just saying, man, it's just the way we treat ourselves. We don't have to be the way we are the United Stage, California, l A, whatever. We don't have to be like that. I think not having guns in a society like that is one of the main things that makes it more appealing. Ball my fish and we fight, mate, and we go home sabble, and that's a beautiful thing. Man. We don't squabble in America. Man.

Just just imagine nine cats get out of the car just to fight three cats that's standing there on the corner. I guarantee you you ain't gonna get that many fights because all these cats ain't good. From here. It's easy to shoot somebody, man, It's not hard to shoot nobody. And once you pull the trigger at one time, you're gonna keep popping. You're gonna keep popping because the ship feel Does it feel good? You know what I'm saying. But just to get out and just just throw hands

and then okay and get back in the car. No, no, man, we really got to pay attention to the way we live. And and see, man, I should is short. We sell it not short. I said short. Every day the way we live out here, the way we live period. They drinking the alcohol out of the Your shoe is called a shoe a shoey. I couldn't do it. Yeah, I hadn't been, idn't been up. But I thought you ended up doing it. No, you didn't do it at all. Don't know. I ain't drinking. He supposed to participate in

all that. I didn't participate. I took that beer and drinking that. They kicked his ass on that he's spit in half in the cup and he had to spit that out and they were like, and they finished it. I got that on video time. I don't know what are you talking about. Stopped drinking. Go to Nick None's Instagram and you'all can see it. Drin drink. Couldn't drink with the boys. James can't drink with the boys. He

embarrassed us over there a lot of these countries. I'll drink you, you know, the England, Ireland, austral Then out drink. I went to this one guy slick house, drink, Bring God, bring mom. James over to us. Man, come on, let's have a shot and we can we can. Wouldn't do God got nice, nice little shut up. He got two different types of liquor, but they dark. I didn't want to say no, I don't drink dark liquor. He got

this monkey sitting on his table with his uh. He puts his joint in his mouth and let him do his thing and it blows whatever. I don't know, James, I don't know. And then we take another shot. We leave from there and go somewhere else. Here we are, we taking another shot, and then we get you, my boy, what we did this this this interview. There he got like nine women, not women are in his house. I'm walking up the sidewalk. This is to a married man,

exactly exactly they were. They were young women. The young women. I'm that guy that don't do I'm fifty four. I don't do nothing under forty. You out to be old, old enough to deal with it. I don't do chilling. So I'm walking up just his driveway. The dude got the gym the whole nights. So I said, this dude better be buffed with all of this exercise equipment in there. You got a tennis lion in his garage. So I

go in there. I've seen may nice chunky Chucky cat said he came from one of the little islands out there and and made his way there. No selling, no drugs, no nothing. So he got all of these different little businesses in these houses set up with with all of these women that do interviews with people. What type of drugs they have over there? I don't know what I ain't saying, but it was one of those. One little cat at the club was like you got some some

type of ship. And then the girl that was with us, she was like, may now you get out here enough here know somewhere else. With that, he turned around and went upstairs. You know, we didn't be and like what you're talking to He just went up the stairs. Right. They're just so cool. So what basically what I'm saying is is we don't have to live the way we live in But I mean, I guess is we customed to it the way we are and everybody good with that. But just go just go out there and see it.

You you'll come home thinking totally different, especially about your life and the ship you put in your body. Well, it sounds like you had an amazing time in Australia. Hopefully the next time you go, all of us can go like a tensity tour. I've never been Australia, but I definitely want to go. But let's get into a couple of questions before we wrap up this episode of The Gangster Chronicles. The first one I want to ask is I guess I guess Reggie, you might know this.

Uh oh. Someone actually says they remember you mentioning this on bomb First, that Shook shot himself by accident at the Kanye West after party and they were a little confused on what actually happened based on what you said on Bomb First. I said it was that was investigated and that was my opinion. But Shook sue Kanye West. Um, but there's people out there now from um Jimmy Henchman camp that's uh taking credit for it. Okay, So, Um,

he didn't shoot himself on accident. It was investigated. It's still my opinion, um, because I know some investigations going down while he's on proovalation and the way the the gunshot appeared to be going down. But he sued Kanye West, sending someone that is out too roch and recently someone from Jimmy Henchman UM camp came out saying he was the one that did it. And so there's two theories on that he he shot himself or someone Jimmy Henchman did it, or someone from Kanye West camp was Jimmy

Henchman connected to Kanye's camp. Okay, so three theories. Jimmy Henchman one of Kanye's people, or he did it himself and you believe he did it himself? Why is that just the way? Uh? In the pants and and his parooser was really on it. They almost violated on it. And he had a go through some some legal troubles that I know behind the scenes too to prove and they just they just went on and dropped it and nothing at all and suld sue Kanye. What came about

that lawsuit? Was there a settlement or I think this got dropped all right? That question came from a swim Factor on Twitter. I appreciate that. Um James, when you walked away from my part, aru, did you ever feel that your life was in danger? That's a question that came in on Instagram. Did I ever feel like my life after you walked away? I know you probably while he was living my party, your life was in danger every day life your your Yeah, your life is in

danger every day. But the question was really really from your own homies like lead the Hood, not at all, not at all. Uh No, when I when I left and decided to that that this one for me and and I'm living a whole lot. No, I walked away. I said I'm done, And I honestly believe that if I'm done, no more throwing up the size, no more saying blood, no more, none of that. So I put all of that to the side, and we'll just walked away and just y'all leave me alone. I leave y'all alone.

I'm cool. I think that's important because there's this Hollywood theory. Law enforcements also believes this that once you're in the gang, you can never get out. A long time ago, they have they have shipped like that, and I believe the Messicans that's one of they, Uh, who's going to this when when you get jumped in, either you get jumped out of you get killed. Some of my things, so you can look that up. And I don't believe that happens. A long time ago. A long time ago, that was

one of the that was one of the rules. But no, I mean, you know, I walked away and and a lot of cats walk away or disappear or what have you. I mean, you know, everybody ain't cut for it, you know what I'm saying. And I think when when your time is up, your time is up. You don't have to die to get out the game. I wouldn't fin

the die to get out. So basically to me, if you try to kill me, you better do it right the first time, because if you shoot me and don't what's going on, then I I don't have a choice but to come. Look at you. You were just over there in the hood with James about two weeks ago. How did you feel when you was with you? Oh? I felt I felt great and that I thought that was a great example of you walked away from the hood, But you're welcome to come back and talk to time.

You want to come and go back over there and I go kick it and shit down dominoes whatever if I well, I used to go over there to sho down and have a drink. Uh. Where we was at over there, Mom's just just that's my baby, you know what I'm saying. I just pull up and go see her or go around the corner. And you even saw him at his mother funeral and you've seen a little that was given there. Absolutely well, I mean all of them, all of those cats was there from the neighborhood and

my mom's funeral. Yeah, and uh and uh that's that way, I'm scared and uh, I'm just you know, I'm just maybe like funerals. Because we also revealed on the previous episode of The Gangster Chronicles you didn't go to bunt of his funeral, which if you guys want to hear that story, go back about two or three episode. Because I was actually surprised you you were surprised because I thought him, I know, I've seen his dad. I thought I've seen him and his that. But I mean that

ain't no sweat off nothing. I mean, yeah, I see. Everybody gotta understand, man, I had a relationship with the rights way before the rights became police officers. It wasn't his before he was before before his dad became a police officers. His uncle Johns worked at uh Market Basket. Uh. His uncle Ulysses was our baseball coach when we were little. I know, the whole family, the sisters, his aunties. Man.

I used to be so in love with him, and when we would go down the street just to take out the trash for him, you know, we his grandma and grandpa. I used to go over there and we used to go to the grocery store. So what do you think when his father became a cop, and then he became a cop, being a ma paru being in the streets, like, oh wow, the rights turned police. Even even when when when him, Jaws and all of them became police. Offer with Reggie and Jaws was finished six

and we was a little younger. The privilege we had when he was the jailer. You know, they didn't want to give up cigarettes because you know, he would give a cigarettes. And and that was pretty all the guys that came through company police station. You know what I'm saying, Not as a jailer, not as a jailer, but I have history. His cousin Tony Little Will. All of these guys slid in our backyard on the concrete, went the concrete down and slide playing. So I go away further

than that. So when they when Reggie turned police officer, it was I mean, we were still in your I was a police explorer fourteen. It was always dest that you know, he was gonna be like his daddy. But like I said right now, today, Reggie was a different type of person that people didn't know way back in the days. He just became a police officer. Now need them broke up out of that that that that uniform. This thugs in over here. Man about to go to a federal pitip sentry. I don't know if you wanted

to talk about it. I ain't telling how I'm loan, but I'm on my way. But you said you looked out for I guess the people that you grew up. And when they came to the jail, Biggie and all of them, Biggie that told stories gonna bomb first where he was about to get rushed, and he said when he saw me, it was like the red I can't even know what you're doing in there with the niggas got him out. So it's been situation shaved me one day with with Eric. He was behind me, well allegedly

behind me in the drive by shooting. So you Shay, who was Eric parrodon or whatever your name. And he was a police officer at the time at the time, he's a d A now and American American. He was apparently behind me. So as this situation went down, we buck the UH left going through the hood and next time we heard sign where sirens was heard. But when they called me, I was sitting down on the break wall, chilling, doing the whole nine kicking with all the others and

they pulled up. He take me to jail, and he basically told me, I saw you shoot these motherfuckers. No you didn't, No you didn't. We need to get your daddy on here because this true story. So I'm in there and I'm telling you, no, you didn't. You didn't see me do nothing. So uh, he thought he was going to do something. But I've always plucked him at the limp with plunge every time Louis Park, Louis Park swimming. I used to walk through there and just haven't penned

sucking over fifty cent. And we might have gone through now to a cop, you know what I'm saying. So he thought he played the big cop role all them in there. They unhandcuffed me. Hey come Big Red and he talking ship but looked over. When I seen Big Ridge, I got kind of like, more man, fuck you, you ain't see who whoo. So he goes to try to get me and I lunched back at him. He could have whoop my ass in there, but Reggy said, hold up topic and Reggie grabbed Bamas Church snatched me out

there there. Do you know what you're doing. He could have went real bad in there for me, So I always thank him for that saving my ass, just just trying to be an asshole. Did you and Eric Cartty never you know Dannel never met him, never talked uh after after he became a police he became was he I think he was a d a Then I know I wasn't going to go to jail and have to deal with that dude. And then he became the mayor, so I was like, man, I used to what was

this guy? And and and that goes to show man, you never know who you funk with. When you when you're dealing with somebody, messing with somebody, you never know what that person is gonna be. Then this time you see them. I say this to everybody. You can mess with the simplest person and that could be a demon, he could be a devil. You don't know who you're dealing with. And then you go messing with these people and then you get the shoulder end of the stick

and then we complain. Ain't no complaining, it's too late. You don't you don't bid off too much already you started this ship. So I mean, man, we just gotta we just gotta fix this us, you know what I'm saying. And I just think and I wish all of us could just just sit out and pay attention to each other and just say, we don't have to kill each other. We don't have the gang bang. Let's get a big as boxing ring and then put these cats in the ring on the weekends and you can bet on the

fight and do whatever. Put the gun, yeamn, you don't need the gun. We need to learn how to accept ass whopens I mean they do. Some cats don't know, and they ain't had that fight because it's always about a pistol. A lot of these cats ain't had no hand to hand, no no squad for a lot of these young cats thrive off of fade. You know what I'm saying, how you should be a long time ago. Now, Man, I'm just gonna kill his cat and get it over with. I'm fifty five, fifty four. I ain't finified. I'm just

gonna blow your head off. No, why are you in this situation to do that? Anyway? Well, when you got a big age difference or generational difference, the youngster that's twenty one years old ain't gonna go head up with the O G. That's fifty two or fifty three or not. I agree, why not. But in most instances you're not gonna see that. If you ain't gonna see it. If you respect me, respect me to the fullest. Don't have as respect me just because you I'm the big homie.

If I said this is the way it should be, or don't do it like this. I didn't play this game before. So I know these little cats out here in the street right now that they are hard hit it. They ain't listening to you. You you have to kill one of them. But it is a waste of fucking life, you know what I'm saying. And nine times out of ten, at the end of the day, why did you kill that dude? You can honestly sit there and be kicking it with the homies and drinking. Why are you killing No,

I just felt like shooting that food. Come on, man, that don't make no damn sense. And that's what I've never had a reason why. But he was a crip, or he was this or he was that. That's the only reason I had to do what I had to do. But this is what we're doing. You know what I'm saying, all right, Reggie and James, this question is for both

of y'all. If you can go back in time during the early death Row years, what would you do different that could possibly have changed the trajectory of Death Row forever? What can you if you can go back in hindsight course, Reggie, what would you do different? Um? Well, the obvious question is September the seven, what is it? Let's not go to this fight. Stay our asks in content, Let's not go to the fight. But you got the club six six, Let's stay home, Tupac, go watch it, go watch the Uh.

You got that big old spot in Wilshire, on Wilshire with a big old, nice big screen TV that you just got. Well, you got this nice little house in Calabasas. That's well, you know, everybody's at go watch the fight there. That's Monday back quarterback. And that's so I don't believe in that, you know, trying to change you know, time and all of that. But yeah, that's a question. And that's what that changed. That was the start of the downfall of the front. They got shiged, got chilled by

later they got you got shuged nine year violations. You did five pod losters life, and then a whole bunch of other things trickled out of control after that, I mean personally out of truly stayed on sugar Head. I should have stayed on sugar Head. Uh, I could have. I should have had a better, uh way better understanding with my brother. I'd have told him, cast this ain't how we're doing it. This is a business, treated like business,

and and everything is cool. We didn't have to bring game baying and all that bullshit into this business because at the end of the day, we all lost. But I would have definitely stayed on sugar Head and then not have them bring all those guys in like that. If we're gonna go back to the hood, we can go back to the hood and take care of hood

from this perspective, not from a gang perspective. You feel me, So I definitely would have stayed on Should come on, shoo, this ain't the right way, This ain't the way we should do it. And if he had listened, then because She'll had so much influence with all the people, everybody in that business is should could have got what he wanted. People understood that Should was was ready for whatever we

was ready to fight. We was ready to do our ship, but we should have been more structured and that in that business and looked at up, looked at it from a longevity point opposed to right then and then type of ship. But I would definitely try to be on him, been on him and my brother slow your goddamn rolled and I probably would have just walked away as easy as I did. He probably you probably want to listen to you though. He would him, he would have, but I didn't apply that. I just let him do that.

And and you know, it's it's a lot to it, and a lot of people don't understand, you know what we say, Like now, it's a lot more insight to it is a lot of the ship that was going on from the inside of it that that prevented a lot of real ship and positive ship from happening because everybody was on different pages and everybody wasn't working together. Everybody. You had you had guys hating the homies hating the homies, you had homies talking to other motherfucker's just trying to

figure out when some other individuals getting paid. And it was it was a bunch of different ships that happened and led up to this. Things should have changed when Tupac came. And then that's why I said, well it should should have stepped his game up and said, Okay, I gotta protect this. This is this is high this is how we do this instead of just letting everybody just go just just run loose, and it is what

it is. Actually, I have a question in in the MGM incident, there were no right way security in that entourage. Am I wrong? Okay? How many were there? Because if I'm in hindsight, I would say I would keep two people on POC to security on POC at all times. And if if Sugar is there are three, if if pockin Sugar together three so that that whole Orlando Anderson

incident would have never happened and then everybody still be alive. Yeah, because and I say this too, with Reggie security there, and then you take brunchry Neckbone and and and uh and Heron and George, you just take somebody from there and their security they they policing Reggie security and Shoe and Tupac. They should never be in a way of nothing at homes way of anything. Tupac, like they said,

he's hard hited. He took off on his own where you can't control that unless you have dudes on him. But would have had him, I would have been on him and wouldn't have been bad. I wouldn't trusted y'all a long pop because y'all got the gangster mentality. But that's what I'm would have been like joining in pop when when? So, who are you gonna take to the fight. You're gonna take You're gonna take the homies to the fighter. You're gonna take a much scarity cards to the both.

I mean, all y'all know each other. The Homies was in there anyway, you know, had tickets and and that was like we didn't have tickets. Think that's why the outlaws got left that house. If Tray would a Shane Orlando good ruge, y'all just got into it. You know, its only cracket on site. He should have took off. Yeah, come back, I mean we could talk about what if. That's definite um. In his defense, he was pretty much saying that he was coming to get permission from his

homeboys to do that. Who should Well that's when he by saying, I was talking to my big homies. I wasn't talking to two pop. That's Trade defense. And he never really went into detail about this in any interview. I know you had him on Bomb first a while ago, but very brief interview. He didn't want to answer too many questions. I know you to talk to him about this many talks how That's how I got the I was one of the ones. That's what he called me if I was a little red. Why do you keep

saying I whispered in his ear? I didn't whisper in his ear. Your security guy is the one that started that rumor. I talked to Trade the day we did the interview, and I caught him on on the on the Block and uh, he said, and we agreed to this. I told him, yeah, I said that you he's the one that whishper and said YadA YadA, because she that's

what she told me, that you whispered. If you wouldn't have whispered too, I used to say it, okay, So so Sul actually told you that Trade that he said he didn't, I said, okay, exactly, And I came back on the show and and and switched it up. Trade bonds there a sugar night life for you right there. Mistake is not a lie just because he said he don't know this is what was out there. You saying I was lying, Let me let me say I'm not.

I'm just responding to this. I just said we had a good If y'all believe that Trayvon Lane did not whisper in pox here, there's so it came from all of us. I used to say it. But I'm a liar because I used to say that that's what we perceived, that what we always heard. That's when we all all read, that's what we all put out there. A video showed the video that you didn't see that after that show, after that episode aired, somebody sent me a message chain

there's another video. I don't know if it's true or not. It's another video or sixty minutes has another video where Trayvon Lane is whisper in his ear. Of course, I guess they should put that out. There's no but but we can only go by Trayvon's word, and I'm just saying what he reported, or until we see that video, then I gotta go by based on the man word. And did anyone ever Sugar or James, do you ask

you why did you say that? If no, no, I mean, it's long after and when he said that, that's what I went by at this time. I'm not talking another believe that. I believe that I just had with this. He told me that when I was doing any interview with you, and okay, I'm saying, okay, no, So now you gotta think. Okay, if if if Trayvon didn't say that, somebody told Jupark who this cat was, because tray Bon don't, I mean Tupac don't know this dude from Jack the

correct point. He said, I was talking to Bountry Neckbone Shilk, who was standing right there as well, my big homies. I'm coming to tell my big homies, Hey, there's the dude that I got into would or snatched my attempt at to snatch my change whatever the words were. Who knows what the work. But his whole point was, I didn't go whisper in pox air. I'm talking to my big homies, letting them know, and he over heard and took off in ran That's what he told you. That's

what he's telling me. Hey, that's his story. It could be rehearsed, it could be after Monday back quarterback. I don't know. That's his story. Yeah, I mean it could be true. We don't know. I mean, it's it's a terrible thing to have people the world. I think that something you did cause pox death. No, no, not defensive traypon. I didn't tell the man to go take off. He did that on his own. Pockets are grown ass man twenty years also a grown man. Don't say that. Why

as they saying that now? But they're claiming he from the hood and all his other bullshit. None of your because you from the hood. You don't mean you have to go take all when you gotta school and you don't know Jackson about that, don't And he had to go take off and do that. He could have said, all right, we're gonna get that nig as soon as he walked out of the plan well instead of out of the land, they should have snatched part off of him and took him the funk out of this and

then they got him out there real good. I thought, I went to Lando and they got away, because what was gonna with that onge? What nobody did you see? How people getting it was damn foods. Yeah, it was a little too late, so you know, it's that's what I would have did anyway, somebody should have stopped Pop, whether it was Right Way security or somebody from mob

right with scary didn't get him on him. But I'm saying before he took off, before he started running, you're gonna get over your pocket running and grab him back. The video, I mean, he wasn't running, he wasn't doing ad this. This, This was walking past the homies. Get down. Now. The homies should have been to the side in the conference like mac man let me how let you now I didn't. They're gonna entourage and just you know, talking with all them people and you can actually hear what

I'm talking about. That's one thing they should have pulled to the side, and the homies shops should have got all the homies and homies. This motherfucker's right here. Now we do some game, bank and ship. It ain't tupark job to do this. Tuparc ain't getting paid to beat up no comforts, some comfort. Goddamnit. These are rivals. Let's go a hand on our business. And that's what that

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we wanna help help her out with that. You know, four hundred bus can feed maybe another hundred people, so we definitely want to want to get that to him and and just take care everybody. So I'm doing what I said I was gonna do, and I appreciate everybody for helping me out doing it to do it. Okay. And Cynthia nuns organization is called Sylvia nun Angels, and I just recently interviewed her and the links to her organization are on my interview and you can find her

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