The Pinocchio Theory

hop artists, authors and other influencers. And I'm here with my man, Reggie right Junior, James McDonald James McDonald and this will be episode fourteen. And if you're new to this podcast, please go back and start with episode one because most of our episodes are interrelated and you won't start hearing me till episode three. And if you're listening to this podcast on iTunes, please leave us a raiding

and review. It's very important that you go there and give us a rating so we can continue bringing this content. You could rate us one to five. And also when you give us a review, you could also include questions comments and we'll follow up on that on a future episode, and make sure you go listen to last week's episode because we actually had a guest. We rarely have guests, but last week we had Chico Brown and I thought it was an amazing, amazing show. What do you guys think? Oh, man, Man,

he did a great job. I was very impressed with the things that he's doing. We have a lot of guests on. I know it's something close to James heart where he always said how he wanted to do stuff with helping the young kids and get some training and stuff like that. And even though James is on the automobile side of things, it's good to see that brother was on the you know, on the redevelopment of homes and businesses and buildings. He's actually living my dream right now.

He's actually living my dream of the things that I want to do because you have relationship, though, Man, with that relationship on things you have to do with make phone calls and I mean, you know, with with with hard work, I'm gonna get there and I know I'm gonna get gonna make a phone calls to him and be with him because I'm sure he would love a nigger like you to be involved, you know, he got

little homie from your neighborhood. A matter of fact, your little younger brother that he's been trying to help do it. But if somebody like you, he would love to have you with that. And you know, those are those are things that like I said, my whole concept is the younger people fifty, come on, you old enough to help yourself and know where you're going. You should have some type of skill. But I'm saying, get with the youngsters.

Get the youngsters in these programs and and and put put your money showing them how to do drywall and roofing and plumbing and all of this. These little kids, man, they guarantee you a lot of them would stop doing what they're doing because you save one is worth it. They because if you save one is worth it exactly. But but you would say more, but the goal is one.

But what what what What a lot of people don't understand is you've got a lot of youngctions out there today because money and you can't get money like you used to get it back then, and and they're having a hard time getting that money. And and they're doing the citiest things to get money or trying to trying to come up with money nowadays, so it's really hard for him. So just think if this happened and you get these kids out here and they can get a check.

Are getting making a hundred dollars a day? If you work in five days, there's five hundred bucks. I'm rooting

for that program THEO and I wish it happened. Hey, um, right quick, before we get started on, I want to remind everybody to sign up for the Patreon that's attached to the bottom of the link of the show, UM, you know, to help because, like I said on out, we're gonna start downloading stuff on the Patreon unfor unseen footage mainly of James uh family and and and Bunchtery's uh homecoming service and um some music that that that that you never heard of that was dedicated to a

bounty or different verses of it. And I'll just signed up for that Patriot. I don't know what the fee is. I don't know what it is, but it's gonna be unseen stuff. It's gonna be worth it, and it's going to the McDonald's uh uh household to distribute however they need it needed to be distributed. I'm in charge of it. So what's gonna happen is, um, I'm looking at hand dog. I gotta callege sister and see if they're But but what where I met with it is taking care of

all of them. I don't care if I get a dime out of it. I want all of them to have something and say, my uncle and my grandfather gave me this. I think we should do it in segments, you know what I mean, your you know your people first, and then after that, then we'll do hand dolls and then we'll do Aaron Palmer. I mean that sounds cool, but I mean when at the end of the day, everybody know Bunty was my brother. But but just like really really, at the end of the day, they all

they all gone. So I'm not gonna put buntry first. I'm not gonna say, well, what I'm saying about that is because we have that content, You have that ready to understand, and we're gonna put that content there. So I don't want to. I don't want people say, well, I signed up because it did it for him. I didn't want to see Bunty, You're doing country this this first second. Aunt. All I'm saying is gonna be fair

and and and we're gonna take care of them. And then after that, uh, we just wanted to start putting stuff together, like uh, Alonzo just interviewed Cynthia Nunne and she has organizations all so that uh we can go down there and and and take a nice little check because I hear cheap feed people with every Saturday Saturday mornings. Okay, so we can we can uh give a line to a check to great idea, great idea and then also, uh,

this is something different. Um. James also that T shirts available and so if y'all can hit him up or we we hit him up on a messenger, hit us up on Patreon, just get to us. And we figured out the way to get you all these T shirts uh that y'all saw him wearing, and y'all know about what the different people on the back of the T shirts and stuff like that. They are ready, so now uh you can order them Tuesday and and wherever you had you order them. We gotta figure out a way

how they to BAM. So what we're doing is is we have them in white and we have them in black, um all the way up to two eggs. So how about the T shirts thirty five dollars their shirt. Well, I was I was thinking thirty thirty five bucks, so I think we'll be fair when I'm just looking at it like this when it coached me to have them made. Uh, we're getting actually thirty thirty five dollars for the shirt because we need the five dollars for shipping and and

helling it to you and all of that. Is there going to be a link or something where the shirts will be available or that's where I thought you would come in, since you know it will be a link at the bottom of the Patreon But that's what I said for now, y'all can just hit us up and we'll work it out getting it too you. And the only way to get to the Patreon page is the link that's in the iTunes um section for our podcasts.

So if they're not listening using iTunes, if they're listening on Samsung or Android or are on another platform, they won't see that link. So we gotta figure out also how to make that link available to people listening on Well, I'll make sure that next week that link will be widely available regarding regardless of the platform that you're listening to. All right. Now, I did say two weeks ago we were done talking about this big cast situation. Yeah, man,

because of you. You you did the show a couple of weeks ago on Bomb First and you actually interviewed I thought it was incredible you interviewed Big Cass brother Sean Clark. Shout out Sean Clark, Appreciate you man. Sean Clark came on the show and I had missed it initially,

but I went back and listened to it. For those who as well, Yeah, I was on that same show, but I think you had him on at the thirty four minute point of that particular episode, Big Cas been exposed by his brother or something like that on Bomb First YouTube channel. All right, So if you gotta go back, and if everyone listening out there, go back and listen

to this interview, because I didn't hear it initially. So when I came on your show, Reggie, I didn't know what the heck he said and how he said it in the tone. So I was a little like, really, his brother came on there and and said all that. So I went back to listen and I was like, Wow, this dude sounded authentic, completely sincere completely real and I was actually blown away by just all the information he

brought in. So recap that for us a little. And the main reason that the brother came on and he wasn't he no fan of Reggie Rights or bomb First or anything. This man was hurt and disappointed because his half brother he has the same mother as as Billy. We're not even calling him big cast no more. I'm calling him Billy. As Billy, they had the same mother.

And this man accuses his mother, who retired as an I R. S representative or a a worker, of being a prostitute that he used to have to shoot up with heron and slept with members. It was a motorcycle groupie and stept with members of the Chosen Field. That's how he described his mother. I actually did he I did listen to that interview. Well, he's totally wrong on that, because Cash came to Chosen. Well, he said his mother, So I think he told about a little PreO the

pre before. Y'all, No, I don't. You don't agree, but you can't say he didn't say that. Well, Well, the brothers told us. We heard it. I heard it was not a prostitute. She wasn't a junkie and that's what made him come forward. That's what said. He didn't care about any of the other lives that he was talking about, but once you started talking about my mama, I need to air his ass out, he said. Man, he shouldn't need pictures of them growing up as kids together around

Christmas trees with plenty of toys underneath the Christmas tree. Uh. He sent pictures of Casts from maybe at the age he said Cast is five years older than than him. Uh. He even said Cast never even been shot before. He said, Casts got hooked on steroids when he was about eighteen years of age and he had to have two hip replacements because of his steroid usage because that's where he was shooting up at. He said, Casts has never been shot by a BB gun to his knowledge, and he

said he's been knowing him all his life. Casts and knowledge and a response video that yeah, this is my brother. I don't funk with you no more. I ain't been walking with you for about twenty years, but that is my brother. But he didn't address any of the things that his brother said about his mom. About another thing that I shot you didn't hear anything. He said, has has never been to the penitentiary before, never been to the county gail. He no, no, not only penitentiary, he's

at the county jail. Which I'm not saying that's the proud thing to but the reason why I think that's biggest because he did this his very first in her View two thousand sixteen with Big Herk on Fresh Out, he tells his whole story about catching a man slaughter and going to folsome, which which he couldn't even repeat his CDC number at that time when it was asked about it on that show, which that should have been a dead giveaway to all of us then, because if

you know anything about CDC numbers well and and that you know backwards, which okay, what show was that he didn't talk about his cd He didn't mention the CD I forget the name of it wasn't the one with Big It's not the one because I remember I watched that interview when Big Hurt's channel was relatively new, because Big Cast was one of the early guys he interviewed, and I was like, oh wow, this is a cool interview. Okay, this this guy's got a cool stories. And here we

are three years later. It kind of hard for me to look at the video because I knew it's full of ship, because I knew he was lying. So once you start catching people in the line, it's kind of hard to back then or lose his line as soon as he starts saying he made me go night night. I ain't never been night been knocked out before my mother. He didn't tell that story in the two thousand and sixteen interview he did with Big Hurt. The night night

story came, he told them both times. After the two both times he said, oh, yeah, you know what, you're right, because they edited a separated but he didn't say the night night Reggie thing wasn't another. He made me pretty much a guy, damn a snitch, So that pretty much pitched you off. Not that part. I've been called fat all my life. You've been knowing me all my life,

so you know that the part pissed me off. He made me like a fucking informant, like I'm the one that told him where the Masters was hidden, and that that I'm like being playing a double agent and told him how to how to get to the Masters in the office at them. So after he assaulted you with the with the masters that and you took them to him. Yeah, that's even more. I forget how to go. But he pretty much made me out like I was being a doubled agent. So are you done with this? I wanted

to be uh, your your your partner. Alex is the one to keep bringing it up. Well, I said in the video, he said he's not gonna even mention your name no more. Yeah. I think that that's yeah, but it's even worse when you're calling somebody a cricket x scot. The cricket x cop deal, Well, no, it's not a big deal because because you're not y'are not X cop. No, listen, I don't think it takes away from your crowd. That's that's the word. First, did you? Did you not? Somebody

asked you was you a cricket cop? And you responded to him and you said, well, I've been out of the police game. Who I mean, can you deliberate them? My justication is it's hard for me to fight that statement because I haven't been in law enforcement since. However, I did get caught up and some stuff in two thousand thirteen. Well it's started in two thousand and thirteen, But I didn't get caught up until knowingly until two

thousand and seventeen. And so my point of that is saying, I have to kind of accept that because I was the next cop and I did do something that I'm not proud of. But you got so many years after after you was done with that, and so now you're on the now you're doing what you're doing on this side. Why would you Why would it a cricket cap Yeah, you reckon when you was a police officer. Okay, so

it's totally different, right, yeah. Yeah, But I think also we don't expect any former or retired cops to get involved in what the government is saying. You were involved in what the government is saying. Yeah, correct, And so that's why I said I accepted. Um. I disagree with it, but I'm not going to debate it. And it's all he can actually say. That's all he could actually say, um,

and to respond to you in a negative way. And I think it's actually a powerful statement that he has in his pocket because a lot of these followers are gonna say, yeah, he is a cricket cop. Yeah he is blemished. So but I think most people are starting to see that his story, and that's that's all. That's all the that's all the whole thing about even talking

about this man. And it wasn't like I just responded after him saying it wants twice three times I heard, have heard four different interviews where he talked about this subject. That made me finally go ahead and say, okay, let me spond to this. I bet you he doesn't do another interview on this Tupac Masters topic. He ship he was done with it and Reggie shitty done with it, right. But that's the only reason why people wanted an interview him.

That's why he was on because no Jumper, you know that Adam wanted to ask about the Tupac Masters, and eventually he did and that became a big part of the interview. So if he can't talk about these Tupac Masters that he owns, then what else has he got to tell people? Well, now he gotta discredit all of this. I think he gotta. He gotta say I wasn't kicked out of the Chosen Feel and the other motorcycle game.

And I think he was taking a shot at you, James, because he must have heard one of our previous episodes and actually you didn't. You said he was kicked out, but you're not sure. He may have walked away. And remember directly gave him a lot of respect. Yeah, you didn't really go in give I don't have a reason to go in on him. But this right here, I see I see a different picture of him, perche because when I met Cast, Cast was, yeah, I'm sixty will when we uh, when he came into Prospect, he said

he was from sixty he said he did. He said all the things that he've always said. Now I believe him. I believe him at this point. I believe he was with the business. I believe he had the money because he was taking the club brothers to his house down here and they was having parties and doing whatever they was doing. Um, do you guys check like do a hood check? Like Okay, this guy said he's from sixties, Uh, such and such. No, some of the I did it.

I did that. Me and him talked about that. I told him that I did do that, and he said, what what you gotta come back with it? I told him, they say you're good, not they said you good? So, Um, I never bother with it. But the way he started acting in the club to me when he did, when he dissed himself associated himself with me, the way we stopped working around. It's like with some of the club brothers in the club. You know, he jumped on that ship and then the same thing actually happened to him.

You know what I'm saying, And I mean, I really don't have nothing like like bad to really say. Well, wow, I knew eventually, um Reggie was gonna come at him, and then he knew he had to come at him hard, so he was able to get I mean, should that that motherfucker's asked for every day? Show me the paper. Reggie got the police report, Reggie got this paper, the bankruptcy, stopped lying and making it seem like you this and that, and then he said something else, and so Reggie said,

fuck it. And the best way to finish this debate the situation your brother calls in. So your brother called in and pretty much put a stamp validated everything that you know. These people was wondering everything that Reggie was saying. And it ain't like, man, I need you to come down here to show it and be on my show. I got wood the wound for you. He said, no, that's my brother. But my brother disrespected my mother. Every

every man on this planet should love a mama. And this is the only reason why he said he wanted to be on this show. Other that. Other than that, I wouldn't even put my brother out there like that. But that dude called my mama whole He said he was shooting my mama up with the drugs. Every man and their mama. If if I put a needle on my mama arm and something happened to my mama, I'm in fault at that. You must really don't give a

funk about life if you do your mama. So that touched me your mother, but the lions saying you doing your mother, that's the show was especially when she's a good working woman. To the biggest regret that I have right now going on in my life is that I got my father's name tied up into some some unlawful activity, not him, because I didn't get him tied up in it. I got his name, Well he's tied up in it,

but I got his name tied up into some lawful activity. Now, unfortunately, we got good u S attorneys and all of that to see through it, and then found out the truth through their investigation, them and the investigators. But still what he had to go through the last two two years, it weighs on me heavily. And I could imagine if it was my mama that was in the handcuffs, I probably wouldn't be here today. I probably I still something stupid. You're big Red still talked, so I know that he

forgave you. So I mean, you still have to deal with it like like like a damn. But we all learned. I don't care if you seventy five years old, forty five years old. We all still gotta learn. We all do some stupid ship and it's just unfortunate that other people be brought into situations and it wasn't meant to be that way, you know what I'm saying. So we just gotta learn. And I knew you'd do what you

gotta do to keep Pops away from that. Another thing that that the brother said that I was surprised is that he said he went to prison in ninety four and at the time he went to prison, cas wasn't even in a gang, wasn't affiliated, wasn't he got out in he came and he said when he came home. He was claiming sixties, but by this time he was in his twenties. He said, the crime that he was accused of is what Cass us out there for traying

that happened. Now, all right, well, if you guys want to hear that amazing interview of Cass's brother, go to bomb first and it's called Cat Been Exposed and it starts. Your videos are long. That one's like three hours plus. But if you just want to hear that interview, I think it starts. We're gonna bring it down and sharten

it up. It goes. It starts at the thirty four minute of that interview from a couple of weeks ago, just with the part of of the brother talking because I got some nice pictures that I want to put up. He actually did send us a lot of interesting photos. Actually one of the photos well actually it just was to verify that he was his actual brother, because what I and the reason why, he says, because he heard me. I had asked you on the show, did you fact

check this dude? How do we know he's really his brother? And I guess he said, all right, let me send some because I'm gonna tell I was skeptical from the very beginning. I'm gonna give everyone the benefit of the doubt until the evidence is so stacked that you cannot deny it. And as of today, I'm gonna have to

say I'm a hundred percent convinced. Yeah. Well, no, I'm convinced that the Tupac Master story is as a lie um and some of the other stuff that the brother said on your interview a couple of weeks ago also has me completely convinced. Yeah, because I don't want to I don't want to believe that a dude's gonna come on a platform that has hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of watchers and just make up stories. I'm not from

I wasn't from that, I wasn't raised that way. So it's a little bit perplexing to me that a dude will just get up there and really make up a story. I really believe that we've got some psychological issues, and I really believe he did a video about a week or two ago where he was pretty much taunting or are telling his listeners. Are his viewers stop sending me stuff about this? Uh? If you posted to me, my friend, I don't need to hear about it. Stop sending me this.

Any negative comments that comes on my my comments section, I'm going to delete when a person is that, for lack of a better word, vain or are insecure, Um, there's something going on. I kind of took that as you know, he's saying, I ain't worried about nothing. I ain't stretching, I ain't tripping. I'm gonna go to sleep from a wake up. You can put anything, Yeah, you

can put anything in the comment section. Invest the case when I got a problem with something, when I don't like negativity or or or bad things saying I'm deleting it. I'm gonna tell you don't do this, and I'm gonna tell you I'm delete who the least comments comments I know on my platform. There's no way I can do it because the comments come in and something ye're coming

in masses. I mean he's reading every comments, which I won't be honest, I said and read a lot of comments and respond because I try to do it to respond to people that try to have open relationship, to try to show I'm just as just as accessible as you are if you're taking enough time to ask me a decent question. I want to try to take a time to respond to you. That's just the type of person I'll try to be. I'm glad that situation over. Who uh, and I hope it don't call junior problems

with your your your your club you man. Let me tell you something. Man, that's what I hate that, not them type of comments. I ain't worried about the chosen feeling, nothing else. And and chosen you know me and then everybody in Las Vegas. So if a mothercker want to credit check that, actually, who was who in Las Vegas? I was the president of Chosen Few for six years and and Vegas was was was was good? Go to Vegas now And on the bike said the next them,

what is the bike? Said like now the post when Big J was there. And they'll tell you, oh, it's totally different. It's totally different. I'm wrong, structure. You know what I'm saying. You know, we had guys that that was on the bike said talking about man off to go get the guns and we finished shooting. I don't know, you're not you're gonna come in my clubhouse. You're gonna put your gun in your in your pocket, give it to him and you're gonna come in there, which one

of these dues you want to fight? Who you going my club? And then they had to fight. And when coming on my block with no offistles shooting it up, we weren't doing that, you know. It was that. I

remember my father as a law enforcement officer. It was something he This was like sometime in the eighties he got in the biggest trouble because he was a gang offer and then with somebody from elm Lane and the Marvel loothers that had had a problem with each other, and he took had everybody in around the thing and he had let him have a fight to fight it out. And when the supervisors came and was like, how can

you do this? Why you did this? He said, because if I didn't need niggles to be shooting at each other each other, like killing each other. He said, Now they're back cool, they're back friends, and and they worked it out like man, well I'm officially done on this topic. I don't know if you guys have done it. I call it like he's right now. I'm looking at him like a gopher. Gopher stay under underground. They standing down. Sometimes they pop their head up, so if he pop

his head up, I'm gonna chop it off. You know. I was actually surprised that the brothers said he contacted Big Hurt to say, hey, you need to check this dude out, and Big Hurt actually said, get yeah, Reggie is a cricket cop. Anyways, I trust I'm paraphrasing, I trust the big cast. I don't trust he didn't need to work crooked, but he he said that. You know, I don't trust the police, his law enforcement at law enforcement. I don't trust the police. And I actually know I

know Big Hurt. I actually interviewed him on Street TV. Um he seemed like a good brother. He's got a very said that a lot of people. And that's when the brother was like, hey, bro, you you put in the comment section. You've been telling people that he seems like a cool dude. And now he was like, hey, he's not, because I've been trying to tell him about this, and he was just pretty much like, well, he's only judging him based on he wouldn't listen to him about

big Cats. Other than that, you know, I don't think there's nothing negative you could say about Big Hurt other than he robbed the bank. Several years ago and he paid his debt for that. And that's what this channel is all about. Life after the Penitentiary. And UM go check out Street TV if you want to hear an incredible story about a guy that robbed the bank. He actually robbed the bank. His co defendant was the homeless guy named Africa that got killed by the l A. P.

D On skid Row a couple of years ago. He was in his tan and the cops surrounded a tenant told to get out, and he started swinging at the cops and they tried to swarm and one cop pulled the gun out and killed him. But like twelve thirteen years before, that homeless dude that they called Africa was Big Herk's co defendant in that bank robbery case that landed him about ten years in the federal penitentiary. All right, so the Gangster Chronicles is officially done on that topic, hopefully.

UM I don't think anything. Yeah, we're done with that. Uh, we'll leave that to Reggie to talk about that on Bomb first. If anything else new the only one to keep bringing it up. I had to. I had to bring it up because that was an interesting interview you did with the brother. Uh all right, so we got a question here for you, James. It says, did you actually say Sugar was knocked out by a member of Second to None? I said that, but people missed understood.

Remember from Second to Up motorcycle club, not the rep group, but from the motorcycle club, and um, it ain't really much shame. Well, everybody know about that, and let's let's clear that up because people start thinking he's talking about the guy that sucker punched him from the behind, Greg the barber, and so we're talking about y'all. So y'all know about it, and y'all don't saw it. That's the

one that happened in Hollywood. Correct, Okay, So Greg the Barber was Greg the barber was part of a Second to None motorcycles And I didn't think that was the sucker punch from behind? Was it? Yeah? From behind? From behind? We don't have. All we have is photos of Sugar laid out. All you have a big old knot bag is here from behind. I thought he was bleeding from the front. I saw. I was amazed by ship because this nigga was still walking around acting tough a day

or two later. If if I had a big old knot stitches in my head. I would have been laid up at home high and didn't tell that ship. But that was out walking around the next day like that. Nothing wrong with battle scars. You get him every day now when you're the big, bad bad because getting I was amazing, Like I said, I was amazed. Now was there any pushback from the rap group? Second to none? Did you hear the story because everybody pretty much knew who it was, you know they the rap group was.

I don't even think in the picture. I only think KK and the I'm still rapping and then plus KKA probably about a hundred and sixty pounds. And what was the whole issue between the barber and Sugar that night? If you know Red, I don't, Okay, I don't, because I remember the barber giving an interview. The barber was out there, he was loving it. He get well with the argument. They argued, should changes back with whatever? I mean?

You got hit on the back now now the way I hear it, and I know because I was hanging with Check a little bit during that time. She was Norton. N't mean to say that, but anyway, okay, but he was and he was drinking because he had just went through a uh uh, the bankruptcy, and so he was out there and he was this Olave character. He was Ola Shill character. And and he was high and you know what, and and and and people might say like, damn James said that, but I'm gonna say that you

don't want to listen. Should turned into something else because of everybody else, and and and and and that was just Demise fitting in and doing all this different ship that took you out. You You was never in the drugs. You was never drinking. I mean I can sit here and beyond myself, I can feel and and and he'd be walking around here. So was all out of those in the right state of mind at all times. He've always stayed that way. But when you get around the

shorting crowd and everybody just lost his company. Man, he was dealing with fighting that bankruptcy. No, but that came slowly but surely. The drugs and alcohol didn't just happen one day. It started coming and he started doing it slowly but shorter. And then I always blamed it on that because I guess that's how I wanted to justify that lose your company. Go kill somebody and say that. I mean, I like that, but shoot yourself in the

head and be done with it. But I'm telling you everything, And do I say that's I blamed the industry, I blamed the rappers, I blamed the homies. I blamed somebody, I mean everybody because of himself. He didn't show his ass up the court and deal with it. He pissed that white man off. And that's what you can't do, is piss off a federal judge. It hurted me when

I saw that fucking uh uh who the judgment. No, not the show they had slash interview that that's six years later, okay, but it hurted me to see him unable to be archickular it like he is. It hurted me to see Shoe just looking like drive a boxer lost the fight. This is totally out of character for this dude. Man. I damnly cried watching Sugar when they turned his motherfuck off and he opened the door up.

And I want to think it was because he was so emotional because he just drove down the street and what a tupac got killed. Nigga was under the influence, But that's what I'm that's what I'm saying. You know, most people don't go no what they want to say, Oh, I don't know. He was little, he's so it was so sad that he uh drive down the street and they're talking about this and he they brought up this emotion.

He threw up nigga was if anybody watched it, and anybody just they didn't, They didn't James and just just just see shoot killing himself. I know him, but I wouldn't hanging around him like we was first. If I show that, man, it would have been only cracking. This guy Rick who's like he's handling his his girlfriend toys, brother in law. I say, man, y'all need y'all ass kick for allowing that to be put in that show. I said, I know how the white folks sold it

to you. He's like, he's so emotional and he and he did this an twine food Qua sold it to him like it's gonna be great. This is show that he cared about pocket Stell. He shouldn't have been having drinks talking and and that should have never that should have never came out, should have never came out. It was sad. It was sad. And I'm I'm just saying you first did it yourself. We saw it. No, he did it to himself, but he had help. And I think just like with Tupac, I mean that could that

situation could have been stopped. To me, this is my personal opinion, motherfucking you the artists, set your ass down, all you my motherfucker's and get them foods and it and it would have went down that way if he would have took off like a like a bullet out of a gun. But that's what I'm saying. You have to have control on on your artists. You gotta have a tight leash on your artists. You gotta let them understand that you're not You're not to hear the gang bang.

You're here to make money. And that's the us thing, not not for me, but for us. So so they had to know the right and ronging in there, and and there's a kid he should have bought. They pissed up and and and then what they had to do. That's why you use the mob. That's what the reason, that's why the mob was there, Why they're getting the paycheck to protect, to protect, you know what I'm saying to them from himself. Yeah, to protect the artists, protect

them from himself. Different. Yea. It's a difference between a standoff and in your series and not saying get back, stand back versus somebody just see something. I don't believe that ch because look through the whole damn if you watch the video, not even watching the video, you got only catching here sheep. One guy they see a Lando at Landa wasn't smart enough to do like everybody else just is here. It looked like he was standing there

deliberately waiting. He was sitting there talking to he was he was standing there. Everybody was just standing there. It was a watch thing. That's what you did at the MGM fight though night at the police around him, and I don't care if you go back. It was just the security, please, y'all just don't know all this conspiracy out here, y'all talking police and standing there and all of that. This is what the white old white man want to push out. That's happening that y'all up here

pretty much saying I'm security. Okay, let's say just go back. The security at the MGM standing around this guy. This guy is telling them something going on. Something be happening here. You see that, Yeah, you can see that all that get the video that looking at this what I thought, He's just standing there against the wall and the security and the security is around him. Come on, put your mind in it. Okay, but if not, But anyway, Tupac should have been out of there already. We're going to

six six too. But we ain't gonna rekindle. No, no which color. But I mean, man, they don't take a rocket shire and you understand that. What are you saying? My point where a shut up? That Orlando was placed there? Why would I know? I'm not saying it's a set up. What I'm saying is Atlando seeing the homies Atlando say well, now where my niggas go. That's why that's the way I saw. So you say, oh, this ain't gonna happened like that. He man, these guys walking around here, man,

and I know what they wanted. What else? Lando ran to the security. No, I'm saying he walked right into him. Rant. I don't say he ran, but he's saying, man, there's something about to happen. Why I always wondered why was Orlando standing alone? Let me finish, standing alone? Where is the homies that where was Kiefee? Where was all these other people? Something? And he's just there by himself, standing there in the bobby looking looking a little stressed. You know,

he ain't smiling, there's nothing happy going on. It's like he's got something on his mind. Let me ask you this question. So you believe he was placed there. I don't believe it was, but I believe that he knew something was about to go down. As James Man, if you walk in any and I want you to just to be on a comment, y'all want to ask the question. If I'm wrong, y'all tell me I'm wrong. Anybody that's that's in they surroundings and pay attention to their surroundings.

I just seen these cats. I just had a big win. I shot that cat brother. I know these foods gonna get at me. They see me, and it's nine of them. So I know, in Sam, Bam, I can't go nowhere because they did. Now I don't know if they're coming from right or left, so to do. He's standing there look at Orlando face like like he like and like bam. He didn't know which way it was going to come. And then Tupac chakeof on, yeah, and then everybody else chakeofoning.

How can that be that that that's no way, that's not a strip that should happen. Alright, Well, let's wrap up this Greg the Barber incident. I can't believe that happened in two thousand and eight. That was eleven years ago. And did anything ever happen to him after that? I thought he had got choked out a couple of years later in another club, Greg the Barber, That's what I'm saying,

that anything to the barber? Yeah, And then there was a couple of wasn't there indent when he was in a motorcycle Yeah, he was at a motorcycle event and they got into a shooting with somebody some that died. Yeah, I think it was his friend. His friend died Checking the Nut. That's the club he was riding, was Checking the Nut. There was an incident where someone got shot and killed his boy, and he was supposed to have

ran and got the gun. Ye. Something. I vaguely remember the story, and I always wondered if they had to do with sugar internal one of those picnics or something like that. All right, so let's go to another question here. Uh. I don't know why people keep asking this, but is it true that hend Dog designed the death Row logo? Hand Dog designed the logo? Yes, he did. That was one of the reasons for Sugar putting him on Death Row. It's because he was challenging like that, and he did

it so fast. It was like damn, and SI said, we're gonna roll with that. Sugar and him had their own understanding. Hand Dog was was, man, I'm talking about drawing. I'm had to let you see some of the stuff he drew. Um, he drew a picture of my niece and her brother and his dead on dead on. Yeah, he was very challenged. He also did uh. Later in life, before you know, before you die, he was doing tattoos. Yeah, also tattoo artists. A lot of people don't know. And

what year was the logo creator? Like at the very beginning the death logos, that's the first logo and kept him to it actually had but it was like booty, Yeah, it didn't even they came up with I don't know if you'll noticed, like an inmmate it got the biscuit song. Yeah, the custom. It was totally like, no, that ain't gonna work and then sugar is death Row. So hand do came with I think four or five different things, and Juel trying to take the credit for the make coming

up with the name death Ro. Why did she do that? I don't know. She said she the one came up with her name. Um but um as you say, they used to be called a future Shot or you say for Hill Record, but they was from front Hill Records. I think future shop. Future Shop was was what he was trying to do. That's what he was going to call it. But Tom Klein was he was the money man at the time, Tom Thomas Klein, and he named it fern Hill Records. And I mean they didn't have

too many Hartists or whatever. They had people coming from Texas. They had people coming from all over and then they had chocolate was there but it really didn't. Then he had Anxotic Cars and he had the insurance company. They was. They was into multiple things then. So fern Hill Record was sure, baby. You know, he was trying to get off the ground. And then he got the DLC and from DLC the talking and all of this, and everybody was supposed to pitch in this and that to help

sugar launch debt bro. That's that's how they start. Most people don't know it was. It was really four partners in death row Sure and DRE end up pushing them out, But it was really supposed to be DLC, Dick, Griffy should Dre. Uh. They end up getting a lawsuit, you know, they end up pushing did Griffy and DLC out. They sued him and I end up paying them off. Uh. In like ninety seven they got a judgment in was much. DNC got like a hundred fifty two hundred and somethingousand,

two millions. Wow, Yeah he got cheated. Yeah, why the electric chair for the logo win? Well, that's how you die. Definitely. But in California, don't you think then back then the gas chamber and I don't think did they used to use the electrey in California. Yeah. Let me had Gurney And when hand Dog came up with that, he was thinking straight penitentry and that's what his mindset was. You look at the clothing. Hand Dog had pictures of dragons,

heads coming out of the dragons. Hand Dog was like just like really talented dog and and he would draw anything. And some of the cats in the penitentry was man hand dog drawing the homie, this dude chasing this dude with a knife. And I mean he did a lot of He did ship in the county jail, drew some ship. So yeah, he was he was real good hand. Dog used to tell me, he's the first person that told me I don't heard about a sense. It always amazed

me when niggas had knights that keeps keaston. Never knew that. I never knew that. And he said, Rich, I used to be on the yard with the ninth is long up my ass. Now did you change the logo when you change the name to the row. Yeah, we try to do it on the new way the gurney, but the dude lay it out. He used seeing that chain when we are in that chain. No, that didn't last long at all. But we had people on the gurney.

We're trying to well, that's actually a dental chair. They used a dental chair for to do the lethal injection on that chair. But I'll talk about when we changed it to the gurney for the lethal lethal injection. It was like a board or something. It's like a board. It's supposed to be similar to the chair you sit in when you go to the dentist, but they strap you in it. Yeah and late but it was laid down. Yeah, it lays flat. I ain't never laid down at the

dentist now I've been. You gotta be upside down sometimes and chick. Yeah, and I want I want to shay after the holidays and all of this other ship and things go by. I want to try to get JP up here. I think JP can explain have Ron better than anybody. And we definitely want to get because we want to do something when you win the patriar about that as well. Yeah, show and and you're talking about a third cadem that went from from doing god know

what everything have Rod been to? I mean JP been to the penitentiary so many times, and it took little Chris, Haron's son to keep JP out of jail. He started taking care of little Chris on a daily. I mean little Chris is where you see JP. You see Chris Chris would have been would have been I think twenty now, but uh he got shot and uh broke JP up. I want him. I think it'd be better for him to come up. A picture online of one of heron daughters. Yeah,

I just looked it up. The electric chair was never used in California. They had four methods of execution. The first one was firing squad, then they used hanging, and then they went to the gas chamber, and now it's lethal injection. Florida actually still uses electric chair. I think there's only like maybe two states, two or three states that actually use the electric chair. You guys used to get a lot of flak. First person ever said something

about that. I'm the first person about the electored chair not being legal in California, the first time I've ever heard that. I'll definitely double check that, but I'm not saying you you're inaccurate. That's the first time anybody ever questioned firing squad is actually used. Gonna watch Green Green, what the well? What state they cal I'm just saying, this is what we think of electric to you talk about the defenalty, Well, the we do about the gas chamber,

but the grass cham didn't last that long. But they still have the chamber, but they do. They put you in there on the dental chair in the chamber. All right, Um, last thing here, we kind of talked about Mexican black relations before but a guy named Topot I wanted to know more about the Black Mexican relations growing up in Compton. We all had love for each other as kids, but once getting older, hatred and disgust came in. And that's

pretty much a lot of communities throughout countries. Drug games and the penitentiaries politics, and that's where it came from. You know, when the eighties yit everybody attitude change. You know, everybody was more into making their money and doing anything and and kicking it with their old homies and whatever. Um. It didn't take much to spark a situation because you had Blacks Mexicans and everybody using the drug and and didn't come and pay me, so I gotta go over

there and this and that. So it calls it calls a lot of uh bs when it came to in the neighborhood, and it hadn't been the same sense and and and the main reason is because after the people like Chico and Freeway Rick and Toronald Reagan, Regina U left the cities, who did you have to go through now the people that was walking to ship across the border. Yeah, because the drugs aren't being flown in anymore. And they're

not being produced over here. They have been to produced over you know, well coming through Mexico and they were walking it over and they were to connects. But even the South American cocaine, it's easier to bring it through Mexico. That's that's why I changed it too. It was been shipped and so that took all the brothers out of aout and maybe you had to deal with them, and

now they got the juice. It's crazy, you know. And because of our neighbors to the south, they have and so um, yeah, hey y'all make sure you uh and I'm not trying to end it end it or anything like that, but glad that we'll be on next week. Uh.

He definitely is confirmed. So if y'all got any good questions about lad and what he's going on, any questions about what he did and what he uh you know, what's going on on this platform, Um, make sure y'all send the uh the questions over to uh to the Gates the Chronicle Instagram because Alex he he would definitely be on it. Well, I don't know if I want to be. I mean, I got no problem with the dude.

A lot of people kind of hate on Flat. You know, I've seen it's an interesting interview about a couple of days ago. I mean a couple of about a week ago, where a guy is starting to question him about while he'd be setting people up and all of that. So I think that would be a good time. I think he's a little aggressive and some of the questions that he asks, Uh, there's a lot of things I would personally edit out of an interview that he keeps in there.

But you're dealing with a different type of people, don't. Well, no, he's dealing with some of this. There's some of the same people that that have been on my platform that are on his platform. We got a lot of similar interview guests, but he's more a more street hardcore cut from a different He's got a lot of those guys. He had very few. He's interviewed Big You, He's been on my channel. He's interviewed the Cambodian rapper from Long Beach,

Stupid Young, He's been on my channel. He's interviewed Freeway, Ricky Ross, He's been on my channel. There was a different you know, totally when when you're totally different from him, I agree, really totally different from him when I did it by interview with black and and he was real cool with me. We didn't have a come on, don't ask me that type of ship. Now. I said, everybody got a freedom of speech. You got the right to

say what you are not gonna say. If if you don't have enough mother sense to see that you have been leading. He's leading you into saying or answering the question that he about to address pop up on you, then you don't need to be doing it. You don't need to be doing it. But then, I truly believe everybody got a right to their own opinion. But I mean, he doing a job just like we're doing and everybody

ain't gonna agree with we're doing them this ship. We say, you know what I'm saying, So that's why we we want you to come in and say your comments and put it out there how you should. But I think, I think dude is a lot of people was not giving him a fair one. He only do what he do because people allow him to do it. I'm surprised how many people embrace him because he's always getting all this hate comments as being a culture voter. You know

he's not. He's not black, he's not of color. But he's got a huge platform and people love going on his channel, you know. And I think it's mostly for the exposure, yeah, the viewership. And plus, he won't interview you unless he knows for a fact that you're gonna bring in numbers, meaning lots of views. Like for example, I interviewed the Cambodian rapper from Long Beach, stupid young, before anyone knew who he was, back in two thousand thirteen.

Last year he started making a name for himself, he started buzzing, and now Vlad wants to interview the dude. Now, Lad would never interview a guy who's up and coming. You gotta be doing number in order to get on his platform out there like that. I wouldn't doing videos and all of this other ship and people listening to me. When I talked Joint, he asked me, would I be ready to talk Joint? I said, yeah, man, ready, say

you cool? I'm cool. And And but he knew you were gonna bring numbers because of the topic and the subject matter and who you are. And you didn't have that big interview with Yeah, and that interview right there, and that's another thing. He does he looks at your interviews to see how successfully were. In fact, I just heard him say he watched them Michael Franziz interview that some other person had done on their platform, and he was like, Wow, that guy got a lot of numbers.

I want him on my show, and he got Michael Frandzi. They're telling you, but isn't isn't that smart though? That that just means he's solely looking at this as a business and he doesn't have passion for the art of it. Like when I interview people from the neighborhoods, I'm not looking at he's gonna bring me a hundred thousand views. I'm like, this guy got a story to tell, I'm gonna tell it. And half the time it's only gonna get ten, fifteen, maybe twenty thousand views, which is not

what Vlad would do. You know he wants a hundred thousand or more because I left. When you interview that do from Fruittown, they're talking about he died and came back like what they see. I did not know what to expect from that interview, what you're talking about Stoner from Fruittown party. But did it turn out wasn't a dream. I think what happens when you're in a near death situation, you get a dopamine rush to your brain and it

makes you go through all these hallucinations. And I think it's also a way to cope with death when death is about to happen, so you don't go through a lot of physical pain. But some guys end up surviving, and they got these incredible after death stories to tell you get this this just this this thing. You Yeah, but when you hear when you shot, it's like everything just go bam and like it just flipped over and then you come back, you see. I mean they can

explain it a different way. Be plause, he went into a coma, but that's where you shot that. He got shot in the neck, alright, so when he but when you're going to coma, you don't remember, you just out, you out. He really believes he woke up. He woke up a couple of weeks later in the hospital. Well, I mean even in the coma, they said they hear

the people talking to you here and which come. I mean, getting shot is a the homies taking into us, and a chestis in what you're gonna do you're gonna go back and get this thing said that, that interview actually came out pretty good. And you see, I didn't know what to expect when I interviewed Stoner from Fruittown, Paru. And that's the thing that on my channel that I like, It's that I'm not looking for the celebrity or the guy that's gonna bring in a hundred thousands because you

think you think duck duck Dave. Yeah, I mean, I would love you a couple of emojis. But you know that's that's the difference between me and a lot of other platforms that I'm not doing it for views, because I'm doing it because I'm passionate about this topic. And I'm gonna do it. If you look a lot of my videos, some of them only get you know, maybe ten thousand views, and I already know going in you know this, this video is not gonna be super popular.

Once again, that separates you from those that are greedy. That separate you from those that don't hold passion in their hearts for their craft. Yeah, you're different. You're different, but by being different than me, and you're not the one that is truly different. And and that that has greed in his heart, and I don't see these nothing. If black said, I wouldn't give a fire interview every black mother I can. If I can get viewed, everybody's gonna still go join. Come on, it's just the way.

And I guarantee you he's gonna ask you to come back on the show because most of your videos, if not all of them, did very well. I haven't told you James film last week what they might be airing real soon. So you did too flad interviews, Oh my good. Yeah, alright, I'm upset, but we're gonna wrap that. We're gonna wrap this butt to know what hell Gangster Chronicles and help your thing when I'm just kidding, just kidding, because I've

been won to interview James have different audience. Well, I'm gonna put it out of here because they you know over there, who's that. Don't even say it. Don't even say it. Don't even say it, because we're not trying to promote any other platforms except Gangster Chronicles, First Street, gang Street TV and whatever and James shirts and whatever James got going on. But all right, we're gonna wrap it up right here. Thanks for listening. To another episode

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